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A
As
well,
and
so
we
recently
completed
one
of
these-
you
see
the
link
there
at
the
at
the
bottom
right
for
one
that
we
completed
for
the
Burlington,
Graham
mpo
and
that's
been
successful.
We've
the
NPO.
There
is
really
kind
of
taken
that
and
been
able
to
implement
that
data
into
other
planning
activities
at
the
the
city
and
the
mpo
level.
A
So
that
is
something
that
we're
encouraging
tomorrow
at
the
mpo
level
and
again
kudos
to
French
Broad,
River
and
po
there
for
for
taking
action
and
going
after
that,
Safe
Streets
for
all
Grant,
which
is
again
something
that
we
talked
with
the
mpos
and
rpos
a
good
bit
about.
So,
if
you're
not
familiar
with
this
program,
it's
a
five
billion
dollar
discretionary
grant
program
that
the
eligible
activities
there
are
really
to
develop
the
comprehensive
Safety,
Action
Plan
or
to
implement
projects
that
can
be
found
in
your
your
safety
action
plan.
A
One
interesting
fact
here
is
that
the
eligible
recipients
here
have
to
be
local
government,
so
mpos,
municipalities,
tribal
those
would
be
the
the
eligible
recipients.
Here.
The
state
is
not
eligible
to
receive
these
grants
directly.
So
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
money
here,
obviously
set
aside
for
these
types
of
improvements
and
and
again
your
your
mpo
area.
Nrpo
area
here
are
well
tuned
in
to
these
opportunities,
and
this
I
won't
spend
much
time
on
here
here,
but
you'll,
see
kind
of
who
won
grants
in
that
first
round
of
funding
for
this
particular
Grant
opportunity.
A
I
won't
go
into
these
here,
but
again
we
had
a
lot
of
good
discussions
with
the
mpos
and
rpos
a
lot
of
that
was
listening
to
them.
Maybe
what
are
some
of
the
needs
from
a
data
perspective
from
a
policy
perspective?
What
are
some
of
the
areas
that
that
you
may
be
struggling
with,
so
that
that
helps
kind
of
inform
kind
of
our
planning
as
we
go
forward?
A
Lastly,
here
I'll
kind
of
just
briefly
touch
on
step,
three,
which
is
where
we
are
now,
which
is
really
that
strategy
development
and
developing
final
report
and
actions
there.
This
is
essentially
the
stage
that
we're
at
right
now,
so
it's
really
kind
of
taking
what
we
learned
from
the
data.
What
we
heard,
what
we
learned
from
those
consultation,
outreaches
and
and
and
kind
of
consolidating
that
and
again
coming
up
with
with
strategies
to
help
improve
bicycle
and
pedestrian
safety
at
the
state
level.
A
So
again,
our
next
step
is
really
to
kind
of
finalize
the
assessment
as
a
whole.
We
are
certainly
supporting
local
and
Regional
safety
planning
efforts.
That's
a
big
push
from
from
our
perspective
here
over
the
next
next
few
years,
and
then
this
data
analysis,
the
dashboards
that
I
mentioned
to
you,
that
type
of
data
will
be
updated
and
maintained
going
forward
and
then,
of
course,
coordinating
this
assessment
with
our
strategic
highway
safety
plan
update.
A
B
C
Thanks
Brian,
thanks
for
all
the
the
work
you're
doing
on
this
and
it's
you
know
super
important
because
we
have
you
know
I'm
ensuring
you
know
the
culture
is
not
one
that
facilitates
Safe
Transportation
for
even
cars,
let
alone
for
bikes
and
pedestrians.
So
anything
we
can
do
to
help
make
it
safer
is
better
and
on
on
the
map,
for
example,
you
know
looking
at
like
crash
fatalities
and
bicycle
fatalities.
I'm
just
gonna
I
mentioned
this
already,
but
I'm
going
to
mention
again.
We
saw
several
on
Hendersonville
Road
deaths.
C
So
we
don't
even
have
any
traffic
enforcement
and
there's
a
sign
that
tells
you
how
fast
you're
going
and
is
green
numbers
if
you're
within
an
acceptable
range
and
says,
thank
you
and
then
it
goes
to
red
when
you're
going
too
fast
and
the
speed
limit
is
45
miles
an
hour
on
Hendersonville
Road
and
this
sign's
at
Seminole
Street.
You
know
like
due
to
the
exact
location
I
drive
by
it
every
time
going
south
and
that
sign
stays
green
up
to
49
miles
per
hour
up
to
five
miles
an
hour.
C
You
know
four
miles
an
hour
over
the
speed
limit
and
then
at
50.
It
says
you're
going
too
fast
so
and
that's
an
ncdot,
Road
and
so
already
like
I
said
bikes
are
being
hit
on
that
road
and
killed
again
one
very
recently,
and
it
was
because
of
speeding-
and
that
to
me
says
that
ncdot
is
okay
with
people
going
faster
than
the
speed
limit
on
that
road,
yeah
and
I.
Don't
get
that
I
mean
that
goes
so
counter
to
what
you
just
presented.
It's
the
exact
opposite.
C
So
these
planning
efforts
of
being
put
forth,
which
are
great
and
I,
know
you
know
everything
you
said
in
this
presentation
was
fantastic,
but
then,
when
we
see
what
ncdot
is
doing
in
actuality,
encouraging
speeding
on
a
road
where
fatalities
are
happening
to
vulnerable
users,
I,
don't
know
how
that
that
doesn't
gel
to
me
that
doesn't
go
together.
I
I!
A
Yeah
yeah
point
taken
yep,
and
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
noticed
during
the
bru
assessment
is
certainly
these
higher
speed,
45
mile
per
hour
multi-lane
corridors,
of
course,
that
those
are
the
areas
where
you
do
tend
to
see
a
lot
of
bicycle
and
pedestrian
type
events,
particularly
pedestrians
as
you've
got
longer
Crossing
distances,
and
you
you
know
you
match
that
with
the
speed.
Obviously,
the
higher
the
speed
of
the
vehicles,
the
more
energy,
your
body
or
your.
A
C
B
A
Okay,
here
we
go,
I
got
it
so
yep
I
just
dumped
a
link
to
The
Pedestrian
and
bicycle
dashboard
in
there
as
well
and
there's
other
links
kind
of
within
that
map
as
well,
so
that
that
has
presented
a
number
of
different
ways
if
you
more
comfortable
with
just
kind
of
taking
it
and
and
downloading
the
shapefiles
and
working
with
it
in
your
environment,
there's
a
way
to
do
that
as
well.
So
if
there
is
more,
you
know
more
questions
that
can
be
answered
through
the
dashboard.
Of
course.
A
And
it
depends
really
on
kind
of
the
ownership
of
that
road.
So
if
it's
a
DOT
road,
it's
typically
the
Dot's
responsibility.
We
would
do
that
in
coordination
of,
of
course,
with
a
municipality.
If
it's
within
the
municipalities
boundary.
If
it's
a
municipal
Street,
then
often
they
have,
of
course,
statutory
speed
limits
that
are
kind
of
the
default
speed
limits
and
then,
if
that's
adjusted,
that
would
typically
be
a
a
city
decision.
C
A
Yeah
and
typically
those
conversations
do
start
at
the
division
level
we
have
in
our
traffic
safety
unit.
We
actually
have
eight
field
offices
and
they're
kind
of
responsible
for
writing
those
ordinances
and
also
kind
of
helping
with
that
speed,
setting
as
well
speed
limit
setting
as
well,
and
so,
like
I,
said.
Typically,
those
conversations
start
at
the
division
and
they'll
they'll
get
out
our
folks
involved
as
well
as
you
go
through.
That.
B
B
E
A
A
lot
of
the
the
what
I've
mentioned
today
are
funded
through
safety
funds,
and
so
those
are
meant
to
be
more
quick
response
type
projects,
so
they
don't
go
through
the
the
typical
Steel
type
process.
If
that's
what
you're
familiar
with.
Obviously,
if
we
have
a
safety
concern,
we
want
to
be
able
to
address
that
quickly
and
that's
kind
of
how
our
programs
are
set
up,
and
so
our
federal
safety
funds
are
open
to
all
public
roads.
A
It's
a
competitive
process,
and
so
again
you
would
kind
of
work
through
your
division,
or
you
know
you
can
work
through
our
regional
traffic
engineering
office,
which
I
can
provide
contacts
with
as
well
to
kind
of
get
that
process
started
if
it's
a
city
street,
if
it's
a
city-owned
street
and
we
use
federal
safety
funds,
it
is
federal,
money
and
I
know
sometimes
there's
there's.
Sometimes
the
cities
have
concerns
with
using
that
type
of
money.
A
There's
there's
stipulations
that
go
along
with
using
that,
but
for
our
safety
funds,
they're
generally
open
for
improvements
on
all
public
roads.
Again,
it's
just
a
competitive
process,
so
we
have
very
limited
funds
in
that
that
safety
a
lot
of
money,
and
so
that's
why
there
is
a
competitive,
responsive
type
process
in
place
to
to
determine
where
those
funds
go
and
those
are
really
looking
at
with
safety
funds.
B
B
B
Yeah,
this
is
obviously
a
very
important
agenda
item,
but
in
order
to
move
through
the
other
items
that
we
have
once
the
presentation
from
Chris
is
complete.
If
you
can
limit
your
comments
to
one
comment,
obviously
that's
not
a
hard
and
fast
rule,
but
we
want
to
avoid
going
too
deep
into
the
Weeds
on
each
street.
That
perhaps
is
in
your
neighborhood
I'm
guilty
of
that
in
these
meetings,
but
and
then
perhaps
make
a
single
motion
that
moves
this
forward.
B
H
H
It
kind
of
varies
by
the
round
of
speed
limit
changes,
but
this
one.
We
have
several
that
our
state
road
changes
and
I'll
I
will
Point
those
out
in
this
broad
map,
Louisiana
Avenue,
Elkwood
Avenue
and
the
Amboy
Road
Meadow
Road.
There's
a
small
area
they're
changing
there
and
Sandhill
Road
has
already
changed
I'll,
get
into
all
that
in
a
moment,
but
requests
concurrence
or
actually
requires
concurrence
from
the
the
municipality
before
they
will
make
the
change
in
speed
limit.
H
So
otherwise
it
just
remains,
as
is
in
all
of
these
proposals
are
speeds
going
downward
and
the
Seven
streets
that
the
city
is
reviewed
are
all
residential
streets.
They
were,
they
came
from
concerned
citizens
and
also
from
Biltmore
Park
Association,
who
wants
to
promote
more
consistent
speeds
throughout
their
their
neighborhood,
so
I
will
get
start
going
down
area
by
area
and
there's
I'm
just
breaking
this
down.
I
should
have
done
this
by
State,
Road
and
and
city
road,
but
it
was
so
spread
out
throughout
the
city.
H
We
are
just
putting
it
here
for
in
order
to
put
it
into
our
city
code
and
make
it
I
think
more
enforceable,
Amboy,
Road
and
Meadow
Road
they're,
basically
just
reducing
the
35
mile
per
hour,
speed
limit
to
25
in
the
congested
area
of
Riverview
and
Lyman,
just
so
basically
around
that
little
Bend
and
where
the
construction
is
happening.
Right
now
and
Louisiana,
Avenue
I
know
a
citizen
contacted
ncdot
to
reduce
the
speed
limit.
They
evaluated
and
recommend
30
miles
per
hour
between
Haywood
Road
and
Patton
Avenue
and
then
City
street
Walton.
H
Street
is
something
that
we
got
some
complaints
about.
Speeding
there
was
requests
for
traffic
calming
and
without
us
with
us
with
no
speed
limit
assigned
its
default
is
35
miles
per
hour
and
there
is
no
assigned
speed
limit
with
Walton.
So
we
evaluated
it
and
we
are
recommending
25
miles
per
hour
consistent
with
many
other
streets
in
the
same
area.
H
Let's
go
and
elsewhere
in
the
city.
Elkwood
Avenue
is
another
city,
I
mean
I'm.
Sorry
is
State,
Road
I
do
not
know
the
origin
of
this
one,
but
I
know
they
reviewed
it
and
are
recommending
a
more
appropriate
speed.
Limit.
35
is
a
bit
much
in
that
area
and
they're,
reducing
it
or
with
City
concurrence,
we'll
reduce
it
to
30
miles
per
hour
middle
book,
middle
Brook
Drive.
This
actually
came
from
a
resident
who
lives
on
Middlebrook.
H
H
and
then
moving
down
to
Biltmore
Park,
the
the
main
one
that
we
wanted
to
start
with
and
we're
going
to
phase
more
in
as
time
goes
on,
but
pincho
drive.
It
goes
right
by
the
school.
There's
Trail
Crossing
and
it's
all
residential
and
it
currently
it
is
30
miles
per
hour
and
that's
really
not
appropriate
for
the
area.
The
context
is
definitely
more
toward
25
miles
per
hour
and
then
these
short
stubs
of
streets
that
you
see
highlighted
Holt
Lane,
bainberry
Court
Sorel
court.
C
Chris
yeah,
yeah
I
know
you're,
not
surprised,
but
yeah
thanks.
First
of
all,
for
letting
me
know
that
some
of
these
are
state,
roads
am
I.
Understanding
was
before
that.
We
were
just
we
weren't
doing
the
concurrence
here,
but
thanks
for
doing
that
too,
because
it's
it's
super
important,
there's
a
lot
of
state
roads
that
you
know
that
could
be
adjusted.
C
So
my
one
comment
to
to
keep
this
Jack's
request
is
on
Walton,
Street,
so
and
I
know
you
and
I
have
had
this
discussion
many
times
before,
but
I
really
think
the
20
miles
per
hour
is
a
better
speed
than
25
in
that
road.
That's
an
extremely
narrow
road,
just
like
Oakland
is
next
to
it.
It
goes
by
Walton,
Street,
Park
and
I
really
think
that
Park
zones
should
be
the
same
as
school
zones.
C
With
that
20
mile
per
hour
speed
limit,
we
have
on
Sand
Hill
Road
in
that
area
next
to
the
school,
so
the
same
things
for
Parks,
which
I
think
this
would
qualify
for
and
yeah
the
Walton
and
Oakland
I
mean
they're
one-way
streets
and
they're.
Just
super
I
think
what
Walton's
only
Street
too
in
Oakland
is
but
it's
they're
super
narrow
and
in
25
I.
Think
it's
still
too
fast
for
that
street.
And
if
you
look
at
the
league
of
American
bicyclists
page,
we
talked
about
earlier
about
slow
streets.
C
They
talk
about
20
miles
per
hour,
being
the
appropriate
speed.
You
know
and
they're,
judging
it
from
a
national
and
international
level
of
what's
a
neighborhood
street
and
I
know
that
our
standard
and
consistency
is
25
but
I.
Think
that's
too
high
I
think
that
we
need
to
establish
a
new
standard
and
make
it
20
not
25..
So
I
I'm
really
glad
that
we're
lowering
a
lot
of
speed
limits
in
these
areas,
but
I
think
Walton
needs
to
be
20,
not
25..
H
I
appreciate
that
Randy
and
I
will
point
something
out
along
the
line.
I'd
never
disagree
with
you
about
slowing
speeds,
something
that
we
need
to
consider
longer
term.
More
broadly,
is:
if
we
try
to
go
lower
lower,
almost
all
streets
will
qualify
for
traffic
calming
and
we
just
do
not
need
a
City
full
of
speed,
cushions
and
speed,
humps
and
actually
it'll
be
very
difficult
to
install
them.
Then
they
have
all
streets,
but
I
just
put
that
out
there,
because
Oakland
Road
immediately
parallel
South
is
25
and
we're.
H
B
H
F
Hey
Chris
Mike.
My
one
comment
is
going
to
be
on
Elkwood,
which
is
probably
a
road
I'm
gonna
guess
a
lot
of
I
know:
Lucy
knows
where
Elkwood
is
I'm,
just
curious,
so
I
know
technically
it
changes
names
when
it
gets
down
to
Riverside
Drive.
But
what
is
the
reasoning
to
stop
it
at
Hickory
Street
and
not
just
continue
it
down
that
last
little
blip
is:
does
it
fall
into
wood
fit
at
that
point?
I
can't
remember
where
the
boundary
is
yeah.
H
H
The
city
limit
stops
right
around
Hickory,
the
the
city
of
Asheville's
limits,
and
my
guess
is
they
carry
that
I?
Don't
I,
don't
know
this
for
sure,
but
I
can
check
and
let
you
know,
but
I
don't
know
that
they
would
I.
It
would
be
a
little
bit
illogical
to
just
stop
the
speed
limit
change
right
at
bickery.
Dot
just
needs
our
concurrence
for
the
segment
within
the
city
limits.
So,
okay,.
F
I
can
find
that
that's
yeah,
like
I,
said
I,
couldn't
remember
where
Woodfin,
where
the
line
was
there
because
I
mean
I,
use
that
as
a
way
to
not
ride
on
Riverside,
which
and
I
think
a
lot
of
cyclists
do
that
as
well.
They'll
go
on
Riverside
go
up
that
way,
and
you
know
yeah,
it
is
nice
and
it
definitely
even
car
driving
at
what's
posted.
There
is
crazy.
So
thank
you.
D
D
What
is
the
process
from
here
in
terms
of
how
long
it
takes
to
actually
get
a
sign
like
once
once
you
all
have
done
this
and
I
love
all
of
this
I
love
all
the
speed
limit
reductions,
but
I
know
that
there's
some
that
were,
we
I,
took
some
action
on
back
in
the
spring,
like
March
or
April,
and
and
I
happen
to
be
near
a
couple
of
them
and
there's
no
sign
change
yet.
So
what
is
the
time
frame
for
this
process?
Well,.
D
H
H
H
If
not,
it
would
be
the
following
one
and
then
once
yeah,
you
know
if
all
of
them
are
approved
and
the
city's
city
streets
I
would
generally
speaking
it's
about
a
month
before
we
get
all
of
them
installed
and
on
this
on
the
state
roads.
Then
we
we
actually
provide
them
with
a
a
concurrence
form
signed
by
the
city
clerk
and
then
they
take.
They
have
to
take
that
to
Raleigh
to
create
their
own
ordinance,
so
that
one
takes
a
little
bit
longer.
B
C
Just
so
I
I
really
I
really
want
to
thank
Chris
because
he's
been
proactive
in
this
so
a
while
ago,
a
year
or
two
ago,
let's
feed
them,
it
was
changed
and
we
weren't
aware
of
it,
and
it
wasn't
a
part
of
the
process
and
and
so
I
asked
if
we
could
be
included
in
this
process
and
and
Chris
went
out
of
his
way,
I
think
to
to
start
doing
this
without
even
right,
I
mean
it
was
nothing
official
ever
happened.
Chris
said:
hey,
I
can
do
this.
C
I
can
bring
these
to
you
and
you
can
know
what's
going
to
happen
this
too.
So
so
there
is
no
formal
process
of
us
having
to
approve
them
they're,
basically
for
our
information
and
input
to
Chris,
and
then
you
know
if
we
would
strongly
object
to
something,
we
could
make
a
recommendation
against
something
you
know,
but
but
basically
Chris
is
just
giving
us
this
opportunity,
and-
and
so
we
might
need
to
formalize
this
process
sometime
in
the
future.
H
I
I,
actually
don't
recall,
I
recall
this
discussing
the
the
presenting
to
the
commission
but
I
I,
don't
remember
whose
idea
if
it
was
mine
or
not,
but
it's
it's
a
good
idea
and
we
don't
always
make
changes.
But
I
do
recall
some
earlier
this
year,
where
we
adjusted
a
couple
based
on
some
feedback.
So
the
feedback
is
always
welcome
and
the
discussion
as
well.
B
Yeah
great
thanks
for
that
context,
Randy
and
Chris.
Thanks
for
your
work,
I
realize
there's
a
lot
of
nuance
in
changing
speed
limits
and
how
that
affects
other
roads
and
I
know
it's
a
complicated
calculus.
So
I
appreciate
you
coming
in
spending
time
any
other
questions
or
comments
before
we
move
on
to
our
next
agenda
item.
Folks,.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
Chris.
Thank
you.
Next,
the
next
agenda.
New
business
agenda
item
is
the
college
patent
complete
streets
project
update,
and
that
has
my
name
attached
to
it
so
and
Kenny
I
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
give
an
update
on
the
downtown
commission
that
we
attended,
that
I,
attended,
I,
think
Kenny,
attended
virtually
and
then
I
wanted
to
thanks
to
everyone
for
your
contribution
to
the
letter
from
this
Commission
to
city
council.
Regarding
that
bike
project.
B
That
letter
is
included
in
the
agenda
so
part
of
the
record
and
as
well.
We
have
a
recommendation,
a
motion
that
came
from
The
Greenway
committee
at
their
last
meeting
that
we'd
like
to
put
on
the
record
and
share
and
I
think
it's
appropriate
for
us
that
the
when
the
committee
makes
emotion
or
recommendation,
then
that
travels
to
us
where
we
can
comment
or
motion
onward
to
city
council
and
the
Anna
Sexton
of
the
transportation
department
presented
to
the
downtown
Commission.
B
My
understanding
is
that
the
downtown
commission,
the
the
it
was
for
informational
purposes
only
they
did
not
have
a
quorum
in
any
case,
so
they
did
not
vote
one
way
or
another
months
earlier.
They
had
voted
six
to
three
in
favor
of
the
the
project,
so
the
purpose
of
Anna's
presentation
was
to
update
where
the
project
stands.
B
Some
responses
to
concerns
changes
that
were
made
to
the
project
to
accommodate
various
issues
that
that
came
up
and
I
also
made
a
public
comment.
Reading
a
portion
of
the
multimodal
transportation
commissions
letter
that
we
sent
I'm
afraid
it
was
too
long
to
fit
into
three
minutes
so,
but
that's
a
bit
of
the
update.
There
were
really
good
questions
from
the
commission
members
that
were
there
at
least
one
commissioner
from
the
downtown
commission
that
is
was
in
strongly
in
support
of
the
project.
B
E
You
kind
of
covered
it
so
the
greenway
committee,
now
the
active
Transportation
committee
made,
did
make
a
formal
motion
recommending
the
council
support
this
project
and
improve
it
so
I
think
as
as
our
purview
is
to
take
that
recommendation
and
discuss
and
move
forward
or
choose
not
to
move
forward.
So
I
think
the
motion
I
think
did
I
make
the
motion.
B
I
C
C
D
Hi
Jack
I
know
that
I
was
included
in
those
emails
between
you
and
Meredith
free
time
about
going
to
the
Burton
Street
neighborhood
association,
meeting
I
think
in
an
attempt
to
address
some
of
the
or
listen
to
some
of
the
concerns
that
were
mentioned
in
the
letter
about
the
black
community,
saying
having
some
issues
with
some
of
the
bike
lanes
and
things
like
that.
I
wonder
if
you've
got
any
new
information
or
New
Perspectives
from
attending
that
meeting
about
this
particular
project.
Yeah.
B
You
know
no,
it
did
not
come
up
in
that
meeting.
I
think
it
was
useful
to
listen
I
think
as
people
are
worried
about
the
transformation
of
their
neighborhood,
and
you
know
just
that
context,
I
think
provides.
You
know
some
parameters
for
what
is
really
important
to
people
and-
and
you
know,
I-
think
one
of
my
big
takeaways
in
the
you
know
quote-unquote
debate
over
this
project.
Is
you
know
the
the
central
issue?
I
just
I
just
want
to
underscore
what
Randy
said:
it's
really
safety
for
all
users,
cars.
B
J
Okay,
I
guess
I
guess
I'll
just
ask
the
group
if
we
done
everything
we
should
do
at
this
time.
To
give
our
support
I
mean
the
letters
great
I
just
get
worried
that
by
the
night
of
the
meeting
they
kind
of
already
made
up
their
minds
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
true
or
not,
but
that's
my
gut
and
if
there's
something
else
we
can
do
to
influence
the
position
because
I
assume,
since
everybody
on
our
committee,
is
authoring
that
we're
all
in
favor
of
this
right.
K
Yeah,
thank
you,
Randy
and,
and
all
of
you
clearly
safety
is
the
primary
concern
for
this.
What
what
also
stood
out
to
me
and
was
covered
in
Jack's
letter
was
the
interconnectivity
of
this
critical
Junction
through
downtown
and
how
important
it
is
to
feed
into
other
opportunities
for
a
bike
and
ped
access.
K
I
was
struck
by
enlisting
to
the
council
discussion
the
other,
the
other
night,
where
these
social
inequity
issues
got
woven
into
the
discussion,
so
so
firmly
that
several
at
least
two
of
the
council
members
indicated
a
negative
position
and
it
it
it
I,
don't
understand
I
mean
we
there's
clearly
some
lack
of
Education
or
a
particular
bent
on
these.
The
East
End
Neighborhood
for
one,
not
understanding
the
value
of
such
interconnectivity
and
then
I
hope
we
can
overcome
that
in
in
the
debate
on
October
10th.
K
L
Hey
y'all
a
couple
of
thoughts
to
Bill's
point:
have
we
done
everything,
I
love
the
letter?
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
read
it
I,
don't
know
if
everybody
else
read
it
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
map
out
who
on
Council,
you
all
have
relationships
with
that.
You
could
call
and
talk
to,
because
I
find
that
to
be
there's
just
like
a
tear
of
listening
that
I'm
capable
of
when
I'm
on
the
phone
versus
when
I'm
looking
at
a
bunch
of
emails.
So
just
the
access
is
Big.
L
The
other
thing
is
think
about
any
relationships
you
have
with
downtown
residents
or
downtown
business
owners,
because
we
know
that
there
are
a
bunch
of
folks
from
that
constituency
that
are
vocally
concerned
about
it.
So
I
would
love
to
hear
are.
Are
they
the
loud
voices
or
are
there
other
folks
that
just
aren't
talking
about
it
as
much
who
share
that
constituency,
so
I
think
thinking
through
those
relationships
that
each
of
you
might
have
would
be
helpful
in
kind
of
asking
them
questions,
seeing
if
they're
interested
in
advocating
that
would
go
a
long
way.
L
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
kind
of
put
out.
There
is
something
I'm
still
mulling
on,
but
I
think
several
folks
have
brought
up
this
Dynamic,
where
we're
hearing
from
several
black
community
leaders
that
the
message
of
safety
and
connectivity
isn't
resonating
with
them
right
because
they're
bringing
something
else
up
and
so
I
think
a
lot
of
times
when
there's
a
disagreement,
it's
that
both
people
are
speaking
from
their
side
of
the
desk.
L
Both
people
might
be
right,
but
the
priorities
might
not
be,
and,
for
example,
I
was
talking
to
a
friend
who
runs
a
downtown
business,
isn't
a
black
woman
and
she
was
saying
safety.
What
are
you
talking
about
if
you
get
me
out
on
a
bike?
I
feel
more
threatened
because
they've
been
plucking
black
people
in
unsafe
ways.
For
years
now,
you're
going
to
put
me
on
a
road
where
someone
could
accidentally
hit
me
and
I
just
stopped
in
my
tracks.
L
I
had
not
thought
of
it
from
a
really
different
experience,
a
life
experience
and
so
I
think
I,
think
being
in
relationship
and
listening
with
what
the
why
is
from
other
people
goes
a
long
way.
The
other
thing
that
I've
heard
when
in
conversations
with
various
black
leaders
is
this
idea
that
they
don't
know
people
who
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
bikes
that
the
idea
of
a
bike
lane
is
just
not
some
riding
bikes
for
transportation
or
Recreation.
F
L
Put
money
into
that's
not
going
to
benefit
me
or
my
community,
and
oh.
This
is
an
old
story
where
the
white
folks
get
a
new
shiny
asset
that
I
don't
care
about.
I'm,
not
saying
I,
agree
with
or
believe
in
either
of
those
sentiments.
But
those
are
two
things
I've
learned
in
conversations
of
different
perspectives
that
have
helped
me
Ponder
more
that
have
helped
me
understand
more,
so
I
just
wanted
to
offer
them.
L
There
was
a
third
point.
Oh.
The
third
point
is
something
I'd.
Ask
staff
for
and
I
hope
to
get
is
I'm
very
curious
to
know
about
the
total
number
of
parking
spaces
downtown,
whether
they're
public
or
public
and
private,
and
why
is
because
an
argument
I
also
hear
is:
oh,
my
gosh.
This
is
discriminatory
towards
older
folks
who
need
parking,
you're
going
to
run
people
out
of
town,
but
it's
17
spaces
and
as
far
as
I
know,
we
have
like
1500
spaces
in
decks.
L
L
B
Thanks
Maggie
thanks
Lucy
for
following
up
on
that
yeah
I,
just
wanna
I,
think
one
of
my
takeaways
as
well
that
I
want
to
share
and
I.
You
know
this
came
up
in
what
you
were
saying.
Maggie
is
just
you
know
the
sure
this
is
a
150
000
paint
project,
downtown
we're
also
building
a
multi-billion
dollar
bridge
over
the
river
like
this
is
peanuts
compared
to
it,
but
I.
B
Think
the
where
I
have
opened
my
ears
and
have
tried
to
be
a
thoughtful
listener,
is
kind
of
the
wound
that
this
project
rips
off
for
many
communities
in
town,
whether
that
has
to
do
with
gentrification
or
how
people
view
various
things
or
just
the
fact
that
we're
undergoing
such
massive
change
in
Asheville-
and
this
is
just
another
change
that
seems
to
draw
a
a
strong
reaction
from
people.
So
while
I
think
a
strong
voice
is
certainly
needed
in
leadership
is
certainly
needed
from
us,
and
members
of
council
and
Beyond
I.
B
J
J
J
D
Yeah,
a
lot
of
what
Maggie
you
were
saying
about
the
points
are
the
things
that
I
have
heard
in
the
past
month
from
people
in
the
black
community
through
some
of
the
neighborhood
advisory
meetings
and
some
of
the
matching
Grant
programs.
It's
several
meetings
that
I'd
been
to
and
they
brought
up
that.
You
know
the
Easton
Valley
neighborhood,
that
you
know
example.
Well,
they
totally
turned
our
streets
around
and
added
bike
lanes
and
we
didn't
want
them.
We
don't
ride
on
them
and
there's
never
anybody
on
them.
D
Those
are
the
types
of
things
I
was
hearing,
and
this
is
I.
Think,
though,
one
of
the
things
you're
we're
tuning
into
from
that
meeting
is
that
it
does
seem
like
it
is.
Another
thing
like
Maggie
said
like
what
you
know:
the
the
people
that
bike
the
people
that
want
the
Greenways,
the
people,
you
know,
aren't
the
people
that
are
necessarily
riding
the
buses
and
if
it
slows
the
buses
down.
M
Yeah
I
just
want
to
kind
of
piggyback
that
as
a
traffic
engineer
and
a
transportation
engineer,
I
can
say
like
has
a
history
of
eminent
domaining
people
of
color
and
just
kind
of
railroading
them
and
just
doing
whatever
they
want
to
do
not
asking
the
community
for
input
so
I
think,
while
as
a
traffic
engineer
I'm
like
oh
great
bike,
Lanes
into
downtown,
that's
awesome
like
that.
Just
sounds
great,
but
it
is
maybe
it's
a
chance
to
educate
it's
a
chance
to
find
middle
ground.
M
It's
a
chance
to
explain
to
these
people
that
this
is
something
that
you
could
benefit
from
education.
Somebody
mentioned
education
earlier,
I
think
that's
really
key.
I!
Think
a
lot
of
people
of
color
black
people
see
cycling
as
a
white
sport.
They
see,
we
I
don't
know.
Well.
So
in
my
profession
we
call
both
cyclists,
we
say:
are
mammals,
middle-aged
men
in
Lycra
so
and
that's
kind
of
the
Viewpoint
so.
M
That's
kind
of
the
Viewpoint,
so
as
a
you
know,
a
person
of
color
in
a
low-income
neighborhood
that
doesn't
have
a
thousand
dollar
fancy
bike.
They
see
these
bike
lanes
and
they're
like
what
does
this
do?
For
me,
this
is
just
another
example
of
somebody
coming
through
my
neighborhood
and
doing
something
I
didn't
ask
for,
without
my
permission,
so
I
think
it's
just
kind
of
I
just
want
to
say,
like
I
think
it's
we
have
to
have
some
Grace
and
some
handle
it
gently
with
people
that
raise
these
concerns.
B
G
I
think
there's,
you
know
it
feels
like
we're
having
a
zero-sum
game.
Discussion
and
I
just
want
to
acknowledge,
like
that.
There
are
multiple
truths
that
play
right.
Safe
travel
is
vital
to
prevent
crashes.
We
started
this
meeting
hearing
about
pedestrian
and
bicycle
crashes
and
fatalities
and
like
it
is
the
responsibility
of
our
elected
officials
to
care
for
our
safety
as
there's
as
as
who
they
are
charged
to
help
protect
and
and
govern
for
the
funds
are
available.
G
G
I
think
we
can't
keep
delaying
expenditures
for
some
future
time
like
if
we
have
the
plan
to
do
it
now,
and
we
have
the
conditions
to
do
it
now.
It
would
be
beneficial
to
do
it
now,
and
that
doesn't
mean
that
all
of
the
other
realities
about
Community
engagement
and
advanced
communication
and
advanced
engagement
aren't
necessary.
G
L
L
What
do
I
want
to
say,
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
around
equity
and
perceptions
of
value
in
bike,
infrastructure
and
transportation
infrastructure
is
so
important
and
so
healthy
for
this
committee
to
be
having
and
I'm
so
thankful
and
I've
seen.
Sometimes
the
argument
be
co-opted
to
make
the
same
argument
so
I
just
want
to
give
a
loving
warning
flag
of
as
we
advocate.
L
We
want
to
make
sure
that
if
there
is
something
that
we're
working
with
Community
Partners
from
bipop
communities
that
were
lifting
their
voices
up,
because
nothing
feels
worse
than
being
like
I'm
going
to
make
my
same
argument
but
I'm
going
to
throw
the
word
equity
in
that's
just
really
and
I,
don't
think
any
of
you
would
but
I
will
say
in
my
own
journey
to
be
a
better
white
person.
I
have
accidentally
done
that
and
it
didn't.
B
I
just
want
to
give
a
huge
shout
out
to
Anna
Sexton
and
Lucy,
and
all
of
the
other
Transportation
staff
Anna
gave
an
incredible
presentation
that
addressed
many
of
the
concerns
and
the
very
strong
benefits
of
this
project,
and
she
made
a
very
strong
case.
So
just
really
well
done.
The
city,
in
my
opinion,
has
been
very
thorough
in
in
this
process.
That's
my
personal
opinion,
but
I
just
wanted
to
recognize
Anna
and
the
great
work
that
she
did
to
the
downtown
Commission
in
that
presentation.
N
N
They
all
exist
simultaneously
and
after
the
council
meeting
two
weeks
ago,
I
was
really
curious
about
where
crashes
were
happening
and
looked
into
some
of
the
APD
data,
and
certainly
there
are
a
lot
of
pedestrian
and
bicycle
crashes.
Here,
that's
due
to
density,
and
it's
also
no
coincidence
that
historically
black
neighborhoods
are
located
near
this
density.
You
know,
that's
that
didn't
just
happen
by
chance.
So
I
do
want
to
respect
what
the
black
community
has
to
say.
It's
really
unfortunate
what
happened
on
MLK.
N
That
seems
to
really
have
soured
some
relationships
here
and
I.
Think
it's
really
important
that
we
work
intentionally
to
build
those
relationships
back
or
we're.
Gonna,
we're
gonna
come
up
against
this
problem,
every
time
that
we
try
to
put
a
bike
lane
in
and
council
member
Holmen.
Maybe
you
were
sort
of
getting
at
this
tube
I'm
hesitant
to
go
at
this
from
like
it's
an
education
problem
that
feels
a
little
belittling
to
the
experience
of
of
the
black
community
and
I
think
in
a
lot
of
spaces.
N
People
might
come
in
with
the
idea
of
like
oh
well.
Obviously,
this
is
a
great
idea,
and
we
just
need
to
convince
this
community
that
it's
a
good
idea
for
them
that
benefits
them,
and
so
I
just
want
to
be
cautious,
because
I
think
that
going
at
it
from
that
perspective
is
going
to
harm
the
relationships
that
we're
trying
to
build
more
than
help
them.
B
E
Yeah
I,
don't
it's
a
long
motion,
I
hope,
that's!
Okay,
yes,
I
I
did
want
to
Circle
back
to
Maggie.
Do
you
think
that
having
public
comment
at
that
meeting
is
worthwhile,
even
if
it's
kind
of
last
minute
and
people
already
have
made
up
their
minds
or
does
it
still?
Is
it
still
important
to
have
people
show
up
and
voice
support
for
the
project.
L
E
M
L
Jump
in
there
for
city
council
resolutions,
that
is
typically
the
format
that
I
think
for
advisory
committees.
The
Motions
are
sufficient
and
less
there's
like
really
technical,
specific
information
that
you
want
to
be
conveying
But.
Ultimately,
if
you
feel
like
adding
some,
whereas
is
which
would
be
explaining
the.
Why
and
the
precedent
helps
your
argument.
Y'all
should
go
for
it,
but
it's
not
always
necessary.
B
E
Threw
in
the
we
wanted
to
include
all
the
existing
plans
that
city
has
adopted
that
say
we
want
these
things.
I
know
that
some
frustration
from
City
staff
has
come
about
because
they're
trying
to
implement
what
has
already
been
approved,
and
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
referencing
these
plans
trying
to
be
implemented
here.
G
B
B
We
will
move
on
to
our
next
agenda
item
under
unfinished
business
and
Lucy.
Correct
me
if
I
get
out
of
order,
but
I
think
the
updated
minutes
I'm
looking
at
an
old
one,
but
I
think.
The
next
item
is
to
review
a
draft
of
the
multimodal
Transportation
Commission
rules
of
procedures.
Updates.
This
is
an
informational
item.
That's.
O
Hello,
everyone
I
also
just
want
to
acknowledge
and
appreciate
the
discussion
that
y'all
had.
This
has
been
a
very
educational
process,
I
think
for
everyone
involved
in
that
that
project
and
to
maybe
bring
some
levity
to
the
situation.
This
should
be
far
less
controversial
than
what
we
were
just
talking
about.
So
all
right,
Anna.
We
have
a
draft
of
the
multimodal
transportation
commissions
rules
of
procedure
to
share
with
you
today.
O
O
D
O
We
have
it
reading
now
that
still
have
two
voting
members
representing
Transit
interests,
and
it
would
be
two
voting
members
representing
active
Transportation
interests,
so
that
is
a
change
from
before,
where
you
would
have,
or
in
the
the
current
rules
of
procedure.
Rather,
two
two
folks
representing
Greenway,
two
folks
representing
bike
ped
now
it'll
be
two
folks
representing
active
Transportation
overall,
so
that
would
bump
up
three
at-large
members
to
five
at
large
members
still
maintain
ex-officio
members
from
Planning
and
Zoning
neighborhood
advisory
committee.
This.
O
Section
5
is
highlighted
in
green
with
a
note
from
Jessica.
It
does
have
on
here
that
the
commission
can
have
an
ex-officio
that
member
from
Stacy.
This
is
something
that
the
commission
can
consider,
removing
or
leaving
we're,
not
you're,
not
obligated
at
this
time
to
fill
that
seat.
But
something
to
think
about
section
two
here
under
appointments
I
believe
the
only
changes
to
that
that's
language
that
didn't
doesn't
exist
in
the
current
draft
or
I'm.
O
O
O
Down
here
under
Article
5
meetings,
this
is
something
that
welcome
to
discuss
today
under
a
number
of
meetings
a
year.
It
says
there
shall
be
at
least
six
regular
meetings
of
the
commission
each
year.
This
is
the
proposed
language
right
now.
It
says
that
the
commission
shall
have
at
least
nine
regular
meetings.
O
O
And
then
I
think
down
here.
This
is
talking
about
appointments
of
committees,
so
this
is
really
where
we
change
language
and
references
that
currently
exists
for
the
greenway
committee
to
active
Transportation
committee
fairly
straightforward,
the
other
language
in
that
section
or
article
doesn't
change.
O
Oh,
let
me
scroll
back
up
I'm,
sorry,
I,
I
scrolled
over
something
right
here.
This
conflict
of
interest
section
somehow
missed
highlighting
it
this
this
section
right
here,
was
its
own
Standalone
article
at
the
end
of
the
rules
of
procedure,
which
It
just
fits
better
here
and
also
mirrors
the
flow
of
other
boards
and
commissions
rules
of
procedures.
So
we
moved
we
eliminated
that
article.
O
G
I
G
Draft
speaks
to
more
The
Advisory
capacity
of
the
commission
they're
an
article
two
and
so
I'm
just
curious
I.
It
looks
like
in
the
amendment
that
from
the
original
ordinance
that
they
didn't
address
the
change
to
the
purpose
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
know
what
like
what
the
change
date
was
on
the
purpose.
O
That
ordinance
4190,
which
Leanna
is
referencing,
is
also
Linked
In.
The
meeting
agenda.
That's
the
ordinance
here
all
well
I'm,
not
gonna,
toggle
back
and
forth,
and
oh
I'll
leave
it
where
it
is
right
now,
but
that's
the
ordinance
that
establishes
the
multimodal
Transportation
Commission
for
the
city
of
Asheville.
That
ordinance
is
dated
May
14,
2013.,
there's
another
ordinance,
Linked
In,
the
meeting
agenda,
ordinance
4314.
O
G
O
O
B
N
I
K
However,
I'm
a
little
con,
not
confused,
but
I
I'm,
a
little
puzzled
by
the
wording
in
article
8
under
dealing
with
Stanley
committees
and
I,
wanted
to
offer
at
the
risk
of
word
smithing
a
little
bit.
I
wanted
to
offer
an
alternative
in
section.
One
I
would
strike
everything
after
the
word
committees
and
to
this
you
know,
I'll
propose
that
that
section
read
to
and
appoint
committees
to
concentrate
on
specific
modes
of
transportation
or
areas
of
study
period
and
then
in
section
two.
K
K
This
commission
shall
have
the
authority
to
establish
standing
committees,
including
the
transit
committee
and
the
active
Transportation
committee,
parentheses,
formerly
The
Greenway
committee
period,
and
then
the
rest
would
stay.
I
just
think
that
a
little
clearer
as
to
what
the
function
or
what
the
standard
committees
do
gives
us
the
authority
to
do
that
and
clarifies
the
renaming
of
the
greenway
committee.
Throw
that
out
there
as
a
possible
consideration
and
leave
it
at
that.
H
G
B
G
G
As
a
as
a
as
a
body
for
our
citizenry,
we
could
do
more
public
education
around
the
kinds
of
things
that
we
discuss:
Beyond
kind
of
sharing
the
summary
minutes,
I
guess
my
question
is
more
technical:
is
there
a
Prohibition
from
any
of
us
individually,
taking
notes
in
a
way
that
kind
of
summarizes
in
plain
language,
some
of
the
topics
and
points
of
interest
and
and
likely
outcomes
for
for
sharing
through
our
networks
or
our
communities?
I,
don't
think
there
is
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
O
Lucy,
do
you
have
the
answer
to
that?
I
would
think
that,
given
because
I
don't
know,
but
this
is
my
take
on
it,
given
that
the
meetings
are
recorded
and
that
people
have
the
ability
to
view
those
meetings
and
see
for
themselves
what
was
discussed,
how
it
was
discussed
that
if
you
took
personal
minutes
and
shared
those
with
your
personal
meeting,
notes
and
shared
those
with
your
Networks,
that
seems
fine,
yeah.
O
B
B
C
C
C
They
said
it
would
all
happen
by
last
November
Thanksgiving
it
in
just
recently,
and
actually
someone
said
earlier
in
this
meeting
that
they
were
still
applying
some
paint
now,
but
apparently
it's
somewhat
somewhat
done,
but
it's
it's
still
a
huge
issue.
Obviously
I
mean
we.
You
know
when
we
got
our
last
update.
Jessica
said
it
was
in
the
June
meeting.
C
I
think
that
they
still
haven't
done
the
timing
of
the
lights
and
all
sorts
of
different
things,
but
the
bike
Lanes
themselves
have
a
number
of
issues
and
I
just
wanted
to
go
over
some
of
those
issues,
real
quick
and
make
some
recommendations
and
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
you're
seeing
there
but
okay.
So
some
significant
issues
there's
limited
indications
that
a
bike
lane
is
present,
there's
no
signage
at
the
beginning
and
end
of
the
bike.
C
But
this
is
on
the
far
north
side
of
the
lane
of
the
bike
lane
and
and
before
this
there's
no
signs,
it
even
say
it's
a
bike
lane,
there's
no
symbols
in
the
roadway
and
it's
wide
enough.
It
looks
like
a
traffic
lane.
You
know
it
is
odd
perfectly
with
the
curb
there,
but
it's
just
again
poorly
implemented.
We
need
to
get
that
taken
care
of
there,
the
width
and
they're
like
the
here,
the
width.
It
looks
like
a
traffic
lane.
You
know
it's
it's
very
similar
to
it.
C
It's
not
defined
in
any
way
again,
there's
no
symbols,
it's
just
it's
just
a
recipe
for
for
problems
and
I
reached
out
to
ncdot,
and
they
said
oh
we're
not
using
buffered
lanes,
because
we
can't
use
it
the
whole
length.
Yet
here
we
see
a
buffered
Lane
on
the
lane
too,
so
they're
not
even
consistent,
there's
occasional
use
of
Bubba
buffer
Lane,
even
though
they
said
they
don't
use
it
and
then
there's
occasionally
some
use
of
transition
Lanes.
So
this
is,
you
know
they
have
this
huge
gigantic.
C
You
know
buffer
between
the
traffic
lane
and
then
push
the
bike
lane
all
the
way
up
against
the
curve
which
you
can
see,
there's
a
bunch
of
sand
in
there
and
they
said
that
they
didn't
want
to
do
that
because
they
didn't
want
to
put
people
against
the
curb
so
they're.
Just
not
even
they
don't
know
what
they're
doing.
Obviously,
where
am
I
here.
So,
oh
here
again,
there's
some
striped,
oh
here
so
here
they
actually,
they
said.
Also
too
they
weren't
gonna.
They
don't.
C
They
are
not
putting
in
a
defined
bike
lane
with,
but
here
they
do
here
they
put
a
left
and
right
side
of
the
bike
lane
where
other
parts
they
only
put
a
left
side
in
the
bike
lane,
it's
just
really
really
poorly
executed.
I
mean
it's
unbelievable
anyway.
So
here's
some
examples
of
some
solutions
here
is
I
was
in
LA
this
summer
and
they
have
a
whole
bunch
of
situations
that
are
somewhat
similar
to
ours
and
they
do
different
things
than
we
do.
C
C
Here's
another
example
too,
where
they
have
a
buffer
on
the
left
side,
and
then
they
have
a
stripe
on
the
right
side,
so
that
you're
not
a
push-up
against
the
curb,
but
it
still
looks
like
a
bike
lane
where
right
now,
what
we
have
is
just
a
line
in
the
on
the
left
side
of
the
bike
lane
and
then
leave
the
rest
of
the
space
open,
which
then
invites
cars
to
drive
in
it.
But
this
way
here
it
looks
like
a
bike
lane,
so
there's
obviously
easy
things.
C
They
can
do
like
that
and
then
finally,
here's
just
another
example
of
a
transition,
because
ncdot
said
because
the
white
were
the
road
with
varies.
They
didn't
want
to
have
a
different
look
throughout
the
bike.
Lane
I
wish
they'd
already
do
anyway,
but
here's
example,
two
of
where
there's
space
on
the
right
and
then
it
Narrows
down,
and
they
just
eliminate
that
space
on
the
right
as
the
road
Narrows.
So
there's
easy
solutions
to
these
things.
Ncdotus
isn't
doing
it
so
I
think
we
should
make
some
specific
recommendations
to
ncdot.
C
You
know
not
necessarily
specifically
about
this
one,
but
this
is
a
good
example
and
they
should
do
it
to
theremin.
There
should
be
a
clear
indication
that
a
bike
lane
is
present.
They
need
to
have
signs
at
the
beginning
and
end
of
the
bike
lane.
They
need
to
have
more
bike
lane
symbols
to
ensure
that
it's
clear
that
the
bike
lane
is
present.
They
need
to
differentiate
the
look
of
the
bike
lane
from
the
motor
vehicle
traffic
lane.
C
There
should
be
a
consistent
design,
which
is
not
at
all
to
maintain
the
consistent
look
of
a
bike
lane.
So
people
understand
that
the
whole
length
of
this
is
a
bike
lane
and
the
width
of
the
bike
lane
can
stay
the
same
while
the
width,
the
buffering
on
one
or
both
sides
can
vary,
and
then
the
use
of
buffer
Lanes
should
be
consistent
as
well.
So
if
there's
space
for
it,
they
can
have
it.
If
there's
not
space
for
it,
they
don't
have
it.
So
is
an
idea
that
we
have
a
buffer
Lane.
C
When
we
have
space,
we
don't
we
don't
and-
and
you
can
transition
between
the
two
very
easily,
as
we've
seen
in
other
parts
of
the
country,
that
being
done
so
I.
You
know,
NCT
dot
has
been
extremely
challenging
to
deal
with
in
this
process
and
who
knows
if
they
want
to
listen
to
us
at
all,
but
you
know
they're
they're,
basically
saying
they're
going
to
do
an
evaluation
and
they're
going
to
take
this
bike
lane
out.
If
they
don't
agree
with
that,
it's
been
effective
or
they
don't
like
it.
B
F
I
would
love
for
D.O.T
to
go
out
there
with
some
of
us
during
the
week
and
look
at
stuff
I
have
seen
people
drive
in
the
bike
lane
literally
I
have
seen
them.
Do
it
in
front
of
me,
while
I'm
on
my
bike,
everything
that
Randy
has
said
I
agree
with
ten
thousand
percent.
The
timing
is
horrible
at
every
single
light
that
still
hasn't
gotten
fixed
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
what
I
believe
Jessica
mentioned
last
month
or
at
one
of
these
times
we've
talked
about
it.
F
That
D.O.T
is
not
starting
that
evaluation
period
until
all
of
these
things
are
done,
including
the
timing,
I,
don't
want
them
to
say.
Oh
no,
we
we
finished
the
painting
back
in
January
and
that's
when
we're
starting
the
eval
period.
I'm,
pretty
sure.
That's
what
she
said,
but
I
mean
biggest
thing
is
somebody
needs
to
hold
ncdo's
feet
to
the
fire
and
nobody
is
and
it's
I
will
refrain
from
using
French.
It's
a
disaster.
B
J
Well,
thank
you
Randy.
This
is
awesome.
My
only
comment
is
I.
Wouldn't
trust
them
to
be
able
to
do
this
on
their
own,
even
if
we
walked
half
the
way
and
told
them
what
was
wrong
two
weeks
later
or
five
weeks
later
or
six
weeks
later,
nobody
from
their
team
is
going
to
be
able
to
go
out
there
and
do
it
right
unless
we
give
them
a
specification
on
what
to
do
where.
C
Sure,
yeah
Bill
you're
exactly
right.
We
actually
asked
ncdot
many
many
times
to
the
striping
plan
and
they
never
gave
us
one
because
we
think
they
didn't
have
one.
You
know
and
and
they're
going
to
let
this
out
to
a
contractor
without
a
plan,
so
you're
right,
I
think
there
needs
to
be
something
else
done
with
that
way.
But
I
think
so.
C
The
start
is
that
we
so
to
Jack's
point
is
that
if
we
can
recommend,
if
we
can
make
a
recommendation
to
NCO
tot
that
they
follow
these
guidelines,
that
we
have
and
and
then
offer
well
just
that
first
and
then
on
the
side.
We
can
offer
assistance
and
to
to
help
them
with
this
process,
because
there's
lots
of
expertise
around
either
from
a
consultant
which
someone
should
get
paid
actually
for
doing
this,
but
even
if
not
that
you
know
supplying
them
with
drawings.
C
That
would
be
applicable
to
the
different
situations
on
this
for
sure,
and
then
they
have
resources.
Ncdot
has
resources,
they
have
people.
You
know
like
Ryan
was
here
earlier.
They
don't
even
utilize
their
own
people
to
do
these
kinds
of
things,
but
they
have
people
Statewide
that
are
experts
in
this
area
that
we
called
in
to
the
meetings
a
Merriman
and
they
were
very
quiet
during
the
meetings
they
felt
like
intimidated
to
even
make
suggestions,
but
they
have
people,
they
have
expertise.
B
Wonder
Randy,
my
suggestion
might
be
if
you'd
be
willing
to
perhaps
draft
a
letter
with
specific
points
that
can
come
on
behalf
that
can
be
shared
with
us
and
come
on
behalf
of
the
commission.
Obviously
we
don't
advise
ncdot,
but
this
is
in
our
purview
because
it
is
a
city
of
Asheville
that
might
be
the
appropriate
way.
J
Yeah,
maybe
we
should
just
our
expectation
is
there's
a
detailed
design
effort
with
any
implementation
project
if
they
put
in
a
road
if
they
put
in
anything,
there
has
to
be
an
engineering
spec,
so
they
have
to
come
up
with
the
engineering
spec
and
they
probably
have
to
contract
for
it
and
that's
on
their
dime
I.
Think
that's
the
expectation,
that's
my
expectation
anyway.
B
N
I
was
just
gonna
ask
like
if
there
are
best
practices
or
industry
standards
for
this
kind
of
thing,
like
I'm,
a
lay
person
I
don't,
but,
but
in
what
I
do
there
are
best
practices
and
Industry
standards
that
we
follow
so
I
assume
there
has
to
be
something
out
there
or
a
nearby
City.
That
already
has
some
type
of
design
standards
for
their
bike
lanes
that
we
can
mirror
just
so
that
we
know
what
to
expect
and
get
what
we're
expecting.
C
Randy
yeah
there,
so
there
are
there's
there's
a
number
of
things.
You
know:
there's
emu
immune
Municipal,
maybe
standard
control,
energy
D.
There
are
some
standards,
but
the
thing
is
too
is
they're
applied
to
specific
situations,
and
so
that's
that's
the
kind
of
thing
you
can
just
say:
here's
what
you
do
in
this
situation,
because
it
is
there's
different,
Road,
varying
widths
and
different
places
of
different
things,
but
there
are
certainly
best
practices
and
that's
like
some
examples
of
things.
I
took
in
pictures
of
La.
C
There's,
there's
a
way
that
people
have
done
this
implementation
much
better,
so
we're
kind
of
actually
going
to
need
to
take
different
pieces.
Like
you
know
where
there's
a
bus,
you
know
stop,
for
example,
in
the
bike
lane,
there's
things
that
people
do
and
there
are
some
standards
for
that
kind
of
stuff
too.
But
that
needs
to
be
one
piece
of
it.
You
know
where
they
apply
buffer,
you
know
where
they
don't
apply
buffer.
So
there's
there's
certainly
different
examples
of
this
all
the
time.
C
Although,
like
I
said
there
are
experts
at
ncdot
that
I've
talked
to
before
that.
No,
how
to
do
this
right
and
division
13
isn't
using
them
to
do
this,
so
I
think
that
we
could
get
ncdot
to
use
their
own
resources
to
help
with
this
then
they'd,
be
you
know
it
wouldn't
cost
them
anything.
There's
people
they're
paying
for
already
to
do
this.
Use
them.
That'd,
be
great!
You
know
right!
So
it's
just
it's
it's
flabbergasting.
You
know,
but
it's
a
DOT.
B
M
Yeah
I
was
just
gonna
say
in
terms
of
best
practices,
I
mean
as
a
traffic
engineer:
I
love,
nacto's,
Urban,
Design,
guide,
Urban,
Urban,
Street
design
guide.
Really
it's
considered
the
most
cutting
it.
Yep
Lucy's
got
it
she's,
holding
it
up.
It's
really
like
it's
like
the
forward-thinking
Urban
Street
design
guide.
M
So
that's
a
great
resource
in
general.
In
my
experience
with
dots,
most
utds
are
controlling
rural
roads
so
when
they
get
into
City
centers
and
they
have
to
make
changes,
they're
they're,
not
they're
out
of
their
wheelhouse,
usually
they're,
usually
thinking
or
rural
design.
So
you
know
just
what
we've
been
talking
about.
There's
a
good
chance.
The
contractor
didn't
was
just
told,
hey,
run
a
bike
lane
up
the
curb
and
they
did
the
best
they
could
with
very
little
guidance,
so
yeah,
but
just
the
question
about
best
practices,
the
nacto
design
guide.
O
C
A
B
That
would
be
great.
Let's,
let's
do
that.
I
think
we
have
some,
obviously
some
great
expertise
here.
So
thank
you
Randy
for
bringing
that
forward.
Sorry,
we
had
to
expedite
that
conversation,
but
I'm
glad
we
got
it
in
because
another
controversial
bike
lane
project.
If
any
of
y'all
read
the
comments
in
the
mountain
Express
he's
always
there.
B
We
have
one
last
item
folks
and
then
we'll
wrap
up.
Thank
you
for
your
feedback
on
an
agenda.
I
do
want
to
share
some
of
the
results
and
make
a
recommendation
for
a
date.
My
goal
was
to
establish
a
date
and
a
time
for
our
Retreat
and
then
we'll
Circle
back
around
to
be
able
to
develop
a
broader
invitation
list
and
an
agenda.
B
B
B
B
B
Okay,
I
will
send
out
an
email
folks,
so
we
can
mark
that
and
you
can
mark
your
calendars
and
then,
as
we
move
forward
we'll
work
on
facilitation
place,
it
will
be
in
person
by
the
way
I'd
like
to
recommend
that
we
do
it
in
person
and
we'll
work
out:
facilitation,
we'll
open
the
floor
to
agenda
items
and
the
things
that
we
want
to
get
done
at
that
meeting.
So
thanks
folks,
I
think
it'll
be
really
valuable
for
our
our
group.
Yeah
Elise.
B
B
And
we'll
work
out,
maybe
we'll
figure
out
lunch
or
something
like
that,
but
that
can
work
into
the
agenda.
Maybe
we'll
tweak
those
times
as
we
go
forward,
but
go
ahead
and
mark
them
out
on
your
calendar
and
I.
Think
that'll
help
us
set
a
great
agenda
for
2024
to
be
an
even
more
effective
commission
down
the
road.