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C
Very
good
good
morning
I
am
brian
market
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
everyone
to
the
august
13
2021
meeting
of
the
downtown
community.
The
asheville
downtown
commission
was
created
by
city
council
for
the
sustainability
and
continued
development
of
downtown
a
vital
urban
center
of
western
north
carolina's
economic,
cultural
and
visitor
activity.
The
downtown
commission
provides
city
council
with
recommendations
on
downtown
policies.
C
C
We
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
and
for
anyone
out
there
today,
listening
with
us
welcome,
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
committee
members
you've
done
this
many
times.
Please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone.
If
you
are
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak
unmute
your
microphone,
please
remember
to
remove
yourself
after
you
are
done.
Speaking
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
dean
barriger
here.
C
Thank
you.
Franzi.
C
Good
morning,
andrew
fletcher,
good
morning
good
morning,
kimberly
hunter
hello.
C
Good
morning
robin
reigns.
C
Guillermo
rodriguez
happy
friday,
yes,
indeed,
megan
rogers,.
G
C
Everybody
is
here,
that's
awesome
at
this
time
we
will
review
and
approve
the
minutes
from
our
june
11th
2021.
Do
we
have
any
corrections
to
those
minutes.
C
Very
good
all
right
I'll
end:
oh
I've
got
to
do
roll
call
yay.
I
love
this.
So
at
this
time,
I'll
I'll
walk
through
the
roll
dean.
Barriger
has
already
provided
a
second
fronzy
chair.
C
C
Okie
doke
guillo,
hi
megan.
G
C
Okay,
will
I
go
back
to
miss
commissioner
hunter.
C
Commissioner
raines
hi
commissioner
rogers
hi
and
then
back
to
commissioner
summers,
miss
roosevelt,
hi
and
sage
hi,
very
good.
The
the
minutes
are
approved,
so
we
I'll
briefly
walk
through
our
agenda
so
that
you
you,
you
know
what
we're
we're.
C
Looking
at
today,
we
very
quickly
we,
we
do
have
a
couple
of
public
comments
that
that
that
we
can
discuss
the
written
comments
or
voicemails
submitted
by
august
12th
at
5
p.m
were
shared
with
commissioners
in
advance
of
this
meeting
and
they
are
available
as
a
link
on
the
agenda.
C
A
live
call-in
will
be
available
during
the
meeting
and
we
will
be
looking
at
a
project
review
development
impact
discussion,
we'll
briefly
be
discussing
a
draft
impacts
matrix
to
assist
this
commission
as
we
review
projects
and
then
we'll
be
looking
at
a
proposal
for
18
broadway
facade
changes
to
a
historic
building.
C
We
will
be
talking
about
our
committee
set
up
and
we
will
be
talking
about
a
fall
work
session
and
then
we
will
work
through
updates
and
reports,
including
reports
from
the
design
review
committee,
the
actual
downtown
association
and
a
downtown
update
report
by
dana
frankel,
and
then
we'll
have
some
informal
discussion.
So
dana
do
I
go
through
the?
Should
we
go
ahead
and
share
the
or
discuss
any
of
the
public
comment
at
this
time.
C
Perfect,
so
we
received
two
public
comment
items
one
from.
Can
anyone
help
me
with
her
last
name
rosemary.
C
Puglie
legate
liaison
p-u-g-l-I-e-s-e
regarding
a
mask
mandate
that
she
is
representing
a
downtown
business
and
is
asking
for
specific
guidance
and
help
for
mask
mandates.
We,
I
think
we
did
receive
information
that,
on
both
buncombe
county
and
city
council
plans,
to
introduce
a
mass
mandate.
I
think
on
the
17th
is
what
I
saw
gail
was
that
your
response?
C
All
right
moving
on
another
one
from
patsy
prickett
regarding
hotel
development,
she
had
three
questions
or
a
couple
questions.
What
changes
to
hotel
development
happened
after
the
hotel
moratorium?
Does
the
zoning
and
planning
commission
and
city
council
listen
to
community
input
and
concerns?
It
seems
like
the
zoning
and
planning
commission
and
city
council
approve
every
project,
I'm
not
specifically
sure
how
to
address
those
as
we
do
not
control
zoning
and
planning,
commission
or
city
council
geo.
J
A
I
mean
it's
not
necessarily
going
through
conditional
zoning
processes
all
the
time,
but
it's
really
tightened
up
a
lot.
I
would
say.
C
Agreed
andrew.
E
Yeah,
I
think
one
of
the
there's-
I'm
not
gonna,
say
that
I'm
I'm,
I
like
every
part
of
the
the
hotel
plan,
but
I
think
one
of
the
strongest
parts-
and
I
was
proud
to
contribute
on
was-
was
creating
negative
points
in
that
matrix
for
businesses
and
people
that
get
displaced
to
in
a
basically
known
way
to
avoid
the
situation
where
you
know,
we
had
80
offices
that
in
the
flat
iron
building
that
were
that
were
run
out
to
make
that
a
highly
penalized
type
of
a
type
of
project.
E
So
there
there
are
some.
There
are
some
good
things
in
it.
I'm
hoping
we'll
be
we'll
be
steering
development
a
little
better.
J
C
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
answer
and
if
ms
prickett
would
like
to
re-engage
with
us,
I
think
we'd
be
happy
to
discuss
this
further
sage.
G
I
was
just
going
to
let
you
all
know
that
in
september,
council
will
be
looking
at
and
reviewing
the
hotel
overlay
district,
and
you
know
all
of
the
things
we
built
just
as
a
general
six-month
check-in.
So
if
anybody
has
concerns
you
can
reach
out
to
me
or
all
of
council
directly.
C
Okay,
very
good,
any
any
other
comments.
Regarding
those
two
public
comment,
I
would
also
like
to
note
that,
regarding
a
18
broadway,
I
think
three
of
our
members
and
and
dana
our
our
staff
received
a
comment
from
michael
mcdonough,
a
local
architect
regarding
18
broadway
as
those
as
his
comments
were
primarily
or
are
entirely
related
to
the
design.
C
We
will
forward
that
as
public
comment
to
the
design
review
committee,
so
that
that
that
that
review
board
can
engage
with
those
comments
directly
in
our
in
our
meeting
next
week,
and
I
believe
that
is
all
of
the
written
comments
or
voicemails
that
have
been
received
to
date.
Again,
there
is
a
live
calling
opportunity
during
the
meeting
as
we
as
we
work
through
our
agenda
very
good,
so
yeah.
I'm
sorry.
B
Chair,
I
think
now
would
be
the
time
to
take
live
calls
and
we
do
not
have
any
callers
in
the
queue.
C
C
We
have
a
a
draft
of
an
impact
checklist
that
dana
and
I
have
kind
of
pulled
together,
because
we
we
copied
some
stuff
stephanie
had
done
and
and
really
this
now
now,
please
understand
the
the
purpose
is
not
to
restrict
our
discussion
but
to
make
sure
that
there
are
things
that
we
try
to
be
consistent,
that
we
consistently
cover
so
in
in
no
way
is
this
a
checklist
intended
to
restrict
any
questions
that
you
might
have
or
or
want
to
discuss,
but
more
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
cover
certain
things
as
we
review
projects,
so
I
I'll
just
I'll
leave
it
there
and
let
you
respond
if
you
again,
you
you've
got
you've,
got
this.
C
If
you'd
like
to
reword
things
or
or
or
ask
to
add
things,
please
let
us
know
now
the
and
the
the
other
intent
is
one
of
the
things
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
do
at
least
I
did
is
possibly
provide
this
to
applicants
so
that
they
know
some
of
the
things
that
we
might
be
looking
at
and
asking
so
that
they
were
prepared
with
their
materials
and
and
or
when
they
when
they
are
come
before
us.
G
C
And
and
dana
just
just
just
knocked
it
out
of
the
park
first
rattle
out
of
the
box,
so
very
good,
okay,
so
well
dana.
I
think
we
can
then
assume
that
this
is
a
a
a
a
a
working
document.
It
is
not
something
that
is
we
we're
not
going
to
formally
adopt
it
or
anything
like
that.
C
This
will
just
be
a
working
document
so
that
we
can
modify
it
as
we
see
fit
as
we
move
forward
as
we
learn
things
as
we
apply
it
so
I'll
just
kind
of
leave
that
there
so
again
it
has
a
preliminary
development
impact
theme
areas,
including
parking,
multimodal
transportation,
economic
development,
livability
urban
design,
sustainability,
environment
questions,
issues
regarding
equity
and
racial
justice,
balance
of
uses,
public
safety
alignment
with
the
downtown
master
plan,
any
other
plan
alignments
such
as
living
asheville,
specific
architecture,
building
design
issues,
storm
water
and
or
any
issues
brought
forward
in
public
input.
C
So
with
that,
I
will
leave
that
one
andrew
yes,
sir.
E
I
I
think
this
is
it's
actually
a
really
great
list.
It
looks
a
lot
like
some
of
the
discussions
we've
had
in
the
past,
so
it
seems
really
reflective
of
the
types
of
questioning
we
have
done.
I
know
that
one
of
the
newer
things
that
we're
talking
about,
especially
with
the
noise
ordnance,
I
think
it
made
a
contribution
in
the
sustainability
and
environment
category
about
them
about
noise,
because
noise
is
an
environmental
issue
and
we
know
that
trees
treat
lots
of
tree.
Canopy
increases
the
sound
of
the
effects
of
noise
in
our
city.
E
So
I
think,
while
we're,
while
that
is
on
our
recent
radar,
something
to
consider.
C
C
Okay,
we
will
again
there's
no
vote
for
that,
so
we'll
move
on
to
18
broadway.
These
are
facade
changes
to
a
historic
building.
Hopefully
you
all
have
those
materials
available
to
you
and
I'm
not
sure
if
staff
is
sasha,
are
you
doing
that
one
perfect
robin?
Did
you
raise
your
hand
or
no
okay?
A
Thank
you
yes,
so
this
is
18
broadway
and
can
you
all
see
my
screen.
A
Thank
you.
I
can't
see
you
so
so
this
is
18
broadway.
It's
this
small
brick
building
here
two
stories.
It
was
a
bar
for
many
years
and
the
down
the
downstairs
that
sorry
ground
level
storefront
has
been
altered
over
the
years.
So
I
have
some
historic
pictures
I'll
go
through
the
project
thing,
but
I'm
going
to
just
give
some
context
for
you
first.
A
So
this
is
from.
This
is
a
little
clip
from
an
old
postcard,
really
the
postcards
of
the
langan
hotel.
That
was
on
the
corner
where
the
ac
is
now,
so
it's
not
hugely
detailed
there.
I
couldn't
find
any
really
good
pictures
of
this
building
itself,
but
you
know
the
triangle
or
that
sorry,
the
gabled
parapet
is
pretty
noticeable
in
this
unique
window
and
it
had
an
awning
over
for
many
years
in
the
50s,
the
awning
is
gone
and
it's
very
dark,
so
we
can't
really
see
what's
going
on
there.
A
A
Somebody
told
me
last
night:
it
might
be
a
richard,
sharp
smith
building,
I'm
not
sure
about
that
yet,
but,
but
you
can
see-
and
actually
this
is
true
on
the
18
broadway
building
there-
there
transom
windows
on
18
broadway-
it's
just
wood
up
here
now
and
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
any
glass
there,
but
the
recessed
door
was
probably
like
that
on
18
broadway
and
then
it
had
storefront
windows
or
storefront
at
flush
with
the
building
aside
and
possibly
a
second
door
as
well.
A
There
is
a
second
door
there
today
here,
so
I
don't
know
if
that
was
a
part
of
it
or
not.
It's
unclear
so
to
go
through
the
planning
set.
A
A
The
proposal
right
now
is
to
take
away
the
gabled
parapet
and
leave
the
top
window
the
original
window
and
then
completely
replace
the
storefront,
and
actually
it's
actually
pushing
back,
I'm
not
sure.
If
it's
more,
it
may
be
a
little
bit
more
pushing
this
whole
storefront
back
a
little
bit,
so
this
will
be
clearer
when
we
go
through
the
drawings.
A
So
I'll
make
this
a
little
bigger,
so
this
view
here
on
the
left
is
probably
the
one
that
I
think
is
the
easiest
to
understand.
So
the
door
is
pushed
back,
which
you
know,
which
probably
was
historically
and
is
in
terms
of
ada
access.
That's
helpful!
You
have
door
swing,
that's
not
swinging
out
into
the
sidewalk,
but
because
of
great
you
know
you
can
it's
a
very
smooth
transition
from
the
sidewalk.
A
I
don't
know.
I've
checked
with
building
safety
and
they're
going
to
get
back
to
me.
This
lip
here
or
like
it's
starting
to
be
a
curb,
as
the
grade
falls
away
going
north
on
broadway.
This
becomes
a
trip
hazard
in
my
mind,
and
we
had
this
situation
at
the
art
museum.
So
I
think
at
the
art
museum
you
there's
either
planters
or
a
railing
there,
because
we
don't
want
people
falling
into
this
store.
I
mean
obviously
planters
maybe
could
fix
this
easily.
A
So
I
guess
from
my
perspective,
the
main
problem
with
this
is
kind
of
creating
this
faux
new
kind
of
design.
That
really
to
me
doesn't
really
fit
asheville.
It's
not
necessarily.
It
doesn't
necessarily
fit
this
building.
This
is
a
contributing
building
to
our
national
historic
district.
A
You
know
we
have
over
time,
we
have
lost
details
of
these
buildings,
and
so
we're
really
trying
to
you
know
limit
the
amount
of
losses
we
have
now.
So
it's
a
small
thing-
and
this
is
where
design
review
is.
You
know
voluntary
compliance.
A
But
we
still
want
to
encourage
keeping.
Maybe
this
is
a
better
view,
so
you
can
see
here
on
the
left.
This
is
where
the
original
storefront
was
altered.
Significantly
there's
this
brick
wall
here
smaller
windows-
and
this
is
the
new
design-
and
so
this
here
on
the
left,
where
my
cursor
is,
if
you
can
see
that's
where
the
transoms
were,
it
has
wood
there
now,
but
those
were
windows
right
so
and
I
believe
the
frame
of
those
transoms
are
still
there.
A
There's
a
picture
and
that's
that's
all.
I
have
I'm
happy
to
hear
your
comments
and
questions
and
I'm
I've
been
holding
my
staff
report
until
you
all
could
talk
about
this,
and
I
can
add
your
comments
to
it.
A
It's
brent
campbell
and
we've
had
a
conversation,
and
he
understands
kind
of
where
staff's
coming
from-
and
this
is
this-
is
the
owner
really
driving
this
I'm
feeling
is
really
invested
in
I
mean
I
think
I
think,
she's
the
one
who
kind
of
came
up
with
what
she
wanted
to
see
for
this.
K
K
They
have
not
only
reinvigorated
it,
but
in
their
own
way
and
on
its
in
a
new
street,
just
made
a
huge,
huge
difference
and
I
think
that's
important
to
be
aware
of
they're
a
tremendous
asset
to
our
business
community
downtown
and
while
I
respect
the
need
to
retain
the
historic
character
of
buildings,
it's
interesting
just
to
look
and
see
how
bad
the
building
has
looked
for
20
years
and
boarded
up.
I'm
going
to
assume
that
the
pure
pit
or
in
temperature
that
parapet
removal
is
kind
of
a
cost
and
construction
issue.
K
But,
frankly
I
I
think
that
the
the
change
with
the
arched
windows
on
the
lower
level-
you
know
just
kind
of
speaks
to
a
french
bakery
and
is
really
beautiful
and
appealing
and
again
the
loss
of
the
historic
transoms
that
are
boarded
up
now.
It
would
be
nice
if
that
were
saved,
but
I
really
think
these
these
arch
openings
are
nice,
and
this
is
where
it's
good
to
have
architects
on
the
review
committee
moffat
and
reigns
to
tie
into
this.
I
also
think
that
you
know
this.
K
K
E
Yep,
thank
you
that
parapet
is
such
an
interesting
feature.
It
really
seems
to
be
a
an
iconic
part
of
that
building,
it's
hard
to
kind
of
imagine
that
building
with
the
loss
of
that
feature,
along
with
the
little
tripartite
windows
above
you
know,
on
sort
of
the
right
below
that.
What
why
why
do
you?
Why
do
we
lose
the
parapet
to
to
get
this
to
during
this
design
phase,
and
why
are
we
losing
this.
A
I'm
not
sure
I
I
definitely.
I
asked
brent
the
same
question
like
and
I
think
he
he's
he's
out
of
town
right
now,
I
think
and
next
week,
but
and
I
think
he
talked
to
miss
vetro
about
it.
A
I
was
thinking
that
the
drawings
that
were
going
to
come
in
were
going
to
have
it
retained.
So
I'm
not
sure
what
happened
in
the
discussions.
If
it's
just.
E
E
C
C
That's
noted,
thank
you
andrew
okay.
I
see,
I
think
I
saw
guillot
and
then
robin
so.
J
Yeah
just
a
quick
comment,
I
I
agree
with
andrew.
I
think
it's
kind
of
charming
and
I'd
I'd
love
to
see
that
retained
as
opposed
to
just
going
back
to
sort
of
a
going
forward
to
a
flat.
You
know
thing
there.
I
agree
with
ender
I'd
like
to
keep
it
retained.
Okay,
robin.
I
I
So
I
don't
have
as
much
problem
with
the
new
storefront
configuration,
because
I
mean
it.
It
does
look
better
than
it
did
previously
in
this
drawing
to
me,
but
so
I
I
say
if
we
pull
anything
near
and
dear,
it's
it's
the
parrot.
I
C
Very
good,
if
I
could
put
on
my
preservation
hat
for
just
a
second
yeah,
so
when
you,
when
you,
when
you're
looking
at
a
building
like
this,
that
has
lost
some
of
its
integrity,
you
look
at
trying
to
maintain
the
significant
features
of
the
building,
which
would
include
the
fenestration,
the
detailing
and
specifically
iconic
forms
like
that
raised
gable.
So
I
would
agree
with
actually
both
andrew
and
I
would
agree
with
robin
that
the
non-contributing
features
you
could
modify
much
more
readily
than
you
could.
C
The
existing
contributing
significant
features
like
the
upper
window
and
that
upper
gable.
So
I
think
I
would
be
generally
in
favor
of
of
the
of
the
planter
of
the
new
windows
and
of
the
arched
opening,
while
trying
to
keep
and
maintain
the
existing
gable.
That
would
be
my
two
cents
and
then
you
know,
there's
really
we're
discussing
this
from.
C
C
You
know
the
width
of
sidewalks,
how
you
enter
and
exit
buildings
and
so
recessing
the
opening
like
that,
really
helps
the
the
pedestrian
access
and
the
pedestrian
experience
of
this
piece,
and-
and
so
I
think
you
know
just
from
a
urban
design,
I
think
that's
really
a
good
move
as
far
as
you
know,
things
that
we
would
talk
about
like
economic
development
livability.
I
think
steven
lee
addressed
that
really
well,
that
this
is
a
great
downtown
owner
and
a
great
and
a
really
good
place
for
for
this
to
go.
C
So
I
wanted
to
note
that
that
we
wanted
to
to
work
on
that,
and
then
I
also
think
that
when
you
recess
something
like
this,
you
provide
opportunities
for
really
good
lighting.
That
is,
you
know,
dark
sky
compliant,
that's
completely
under
that
new
planner
that
you
know
we
want
to.
We
want
to
encourage
that.
So
there's
a
lot
of
pieces
of
this
that
would
be
aligned
with
our
master
plan
would
be
aligned
with
a
good
urban
design
livability
and
a
really
good
economic
development
guillau.
I'm
sorry.
J
No,
I'm
glad
you
came
back
to
that.
I
was
going
to
ask
go
back
to
this
drawing
I
am
concerned
about
that
little
trip
hazard.
J
I
think
we
really
need
to
need
to
do
something
there
and
I'm
wondering
if
there,
if
there's
any
intention
of
doing
a
sort
of
during
the
summertime
or
when
weather
permits,
is
to
being
able
to
open
up
the
as
we're
looking
at
at
the
left
side.
So
there
might
be
a
counter
there
and
if
so,
that
would
be
even
more
significant
to
have
some
sort
of
a
barrier
between
the
side
walking
and
that
drop
off
on.
C
C
J
C
Yeah
yeah
we
had
to
put
a
pedestrian
barrier
to
keep
people
from
falling
into
or
out
of
that,
a
similar
little
alcove
that
we
had
on
the
art
museum.
C
These
little.
These
little
areas
are
tough
downtown
where
you
really
need
to
either
do
something
in
the
sidewalk
or
do
something
on
your
side
to
to
to
provide
that.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
just
note
sasha
and
the
staff
report,
and
we
can
address
it
again
in
the
in
the
design
review
meeting.
A
Well
and
I
think
it'll
be
addressed
by
building
safety.
Frankly
it'll
be
addressed.
Like
code
issues
yeah
I
mean
they
yeah,
so
she
was
gonna.
Ann
graham
was
gonna.
Look
at
it
today
and.
C
All
right
any
other,
any
other
comments
on
this
one.
I
I
like
to
echo
steven
lee
that
this
is
a
a
great
business
owner,
a
good
location
and
we've
got
some
issues
with
losing,
I
think,
a
historically
significant
form,
but
there's
some
really
really
positive
things
about
this.
That
we
would
also
like
to
keep
and
encourage.
C
So
with
that
folks,
I
have
not
done
this
in
a
while.
Do
we
do
we
take
a
formal
vote
on
these
dana?
What
do
we?
I.
C
L
Yeah
that
I
do
agree
with
the
parapet
and
retaining
that
would
be
lovely
and
it
also
when
you're
looking
at
it
from
across
the
street.
It
echoes
tresses
and
I
think
that
that's
historically
important
architecturally
as
well
for
asheville.
But,
yes,
you
know
super
excited
that
the
local
business
is
coming
in
and
and
doing
some
such
great
things
on
the
street
and
definitely
I
hope
it
goes
through.
C
Any
any
other
comments
on
that.
It's
awesome
head
nod,
so
I
I
think
we'd
like
it
pretty
good,
all
right,
we'll
I'll
move
forward
to
the
next
item
of
business
unless
anyone
objects,
wonderful
reestablishment
of
committees.
So
this
was
something
that
I
asked
to
be
put
in
the
agenda
and
it
was
when
I
thought
we
were
going
to
be
in
person,
so
we've
not
been
able
to
hold
as
many
subcommittees
as
you
folks
honestly,
which
predate
I've
only
done
this.
Virtually
with
you
guys,
there's
lots
of
you.
C
I've
never
actually
met
in
person,
I'm
not
even
sure
you're
real.
This
could
all
be
deep
fakes,
but
we've
been
using
working
groups
in
in
lieu
of
committees,
partly,
I
think,
because
of
the
difficulties
of
meeting
virtually,
whereas
committees
are
required
to
provide
basically
public
notice
and
the
ability
of
the
public
to
engage,
and
since
one
of
our
primary
I
think
objectives
as
a
as
a
as
a
as
the
downtown
commission
is
to
solicit
and
engage
with
the
public.
C
I
would
prefer
to
work
as
much
as
possible
through
committees
that
that
open,
that
up
for
public
engagement
and
and
is
completely
openly
transparent
as
as
possible.
So
so
with
that,
I
want
to
have
a
discussion
about
reestablishing
our
committees
and
and
getting
and
getting
all
of
us
re-involved
on
our
subcommittees.
So,
first
of
all,
does
anybody
have
any
now,
I
I
that's
somewhat
been
thrown
off
kilter
by
the
you
know
what
looks
to
be
a
reinstatement
of
virtual
meetings,
probably
for
the
next
couple
months.
C
I
I
I
hesitate
to
conjecture
that,
but
but
at
least
the
next
couple
months
and
mask
mandates
and
fun
things
like
that.
But
first
of
all,
am
I
making
any
sense
in
discussing
committees
versus
versus
working
groups
and
what
are
what
are?
What
are
your
thoughts
on
on
these
items
and
getting
things
moved
back
up
dane.
H
C
J
Thanks
gear,
this
is
based
on
the
photograph
that
I
sent
you
all
and
I
think
maybe
you
know
we
talked
about
briefly,
but
I
think
public
management,
the
space
management,
is
it's
time
to
re-energize
that
group,
whether
it's
in
a
committee
form
or
or
other.
C
E
I
you
I
was.
You
said
what
I
was
about
to
say.
I
was
the
the
the
former
chair
or
currency,
I
guess
of
the
of
the
public
space
management
committee,
and
I
know
that
a
lot
of
our
work
predated
the
pandemic
and
it
and
helped.
I
know
david
said
that
heavily
informed
some
of
the
responses
to
the
pandemic
about
what
was
likely
to
sort
of
accelerated
a
lot
of
those
plans.
I
think
now
as
we're
looking
at
the
shared
space
initiative
ending
into
in
at
the
end
of
the
year
that
it.
E
This
is
a
really
opportune
time
for
this
particular
committee
to
resume
work
and
basically
review
successes
and
failures
of
of
the
shared
space
agenda
and
see
what
see
if
we
can't
keep
the
successes
and
filter
out
the
the
challenges
to
it
so
yeah
I'm.
I
I
think
that
that's
a.
I
think
that
one
in
particular
has
a
has
a
ticking
clock
on
the
work
that
we
should
be
and
could
be
doing.
E
I'd
also
like
to
note
that
the
working
groups
can
sometimes
be
great
for
discussions,
but
there's
because
there's
not
will
not
be
a
city
staff
person
there.
Sometimes
they
can
be
devoid
of
foundation
and
information
that
otherwise
would
help
those
discussions
very
much.
E
So
I
think
they
they
have
their
utility
is
is
limited
by
that
feature
of
them,
and
so
I
would
caution
any
ambition
about
getting
more
done
without
staff
present.
B
B
I
also
appreciate
the
comments
about
public
space
management
committee
and
I
think
it's
really
good
timing
and
right
after
we
talk
about
this,
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
a
possible
work
session
with
the
multimodal
committee,
which
would
look
at
a
lot
of
these
items,
and
I
think
it
makes
sense
for
the
public
space
management
committee
to
get
together
before
then.
E
Yeah,
I
would,
I
would
note
I
dana
I
do
understand
that,
like
you.
Sometimes
you
can't
have
staff
help
at
a
work
session,
but
you
always
would
have
stuff
help
at
a
subcommittee
the
committee
session.
So
that's
you
know
it's
it's
so
there
it
one's
an
option
and
the
other
is.
It
goes
with
it
if
I'm
unders,
if
I'm
understanding
this
correctly,
so
you
know
that
is
something
to
know
and
to
balance.
So
of
course
we
always
love
having
you
at
a
meeting
dana.
So.
C
That's
good:
let's,
let's
go
ahead
and
fold
this
into
the
discussion
of
the
fall
work
session
with
the
multimodal
so
one,
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
this
this
is
all
coming
up
is
that
we
we
have.
We
discussed
in
our
last
meeting
parking
issues,
which
is
another
a
a
subcommittee
that
needs
to.
We
sage
can't
keep
running
it
because
she's
on
council
now,
so
we
need
a
chair
and
we
need.
C
You
know
folks
to
take
that
over
it
sounds
like
andrew
is
at
least
interested
in
continuing
with
the
public
space
management.
Is
that
correct?
Andrew?
Am
I
reading
you
correctly?
Thank
you
and
anyway,
there's
a
lot
of
this
stuff
that
is
coming
all
together,
as
we
discuss
a
lot
lots
of
these
pieces
and
and
how
they
fold
in
each
other
sage.
C
E
C
Come
right
back
all
right,
so
let
me
let
me
say
this
real
quickly
as
sage
is
coming
back
in
I
I
think
we
should
begin
to
make
sure
that
we
have
all
of
our
committees
subcommittees,
basically
populated,
so
that
we're
ready
to
go
just
in
case
we're
able
to
move
from
from
a
less
virtual
in
into
a
less
virtual
environment
in
the
next
couple
of
months
before
our
next
meeting,
because
we're
still
anticipating
some
ability
to
have
a
work
session
with
multimodal
in
the
fall
was
the
idea
as
we
as
we
move
forward.
C
G
Thanks,
I
was
just
gonna
say
the
parking
committee
working
group
met
and
karen
ramshaw
agreed
to
try
and
kind
of
lead
through
it,
she's,
not
a
downtown
commission
member.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
matters,
but
she
we
do
have
like
a
leadership
kind
of
component
in
place
and
stuff
is
kind
of
happening.
So
brief
update.
C
Okay,
okay,
any
any
thoughts
or
comments
on
on
on
making
sure
our
subcommittees
are
are
up
and
running.
B
I'll
just
make
one
more
comment:
brian,
I
just
forwarded
you
like
a
template
document
that
I
that
the
riverfront
commission
is
using
to
recognize
some
of
their
committees
and
identify
work
plan
goals,
and
I
just
I
I
think
it
could
help
us
with
structure
between
now
and
our
next
meeting.
If
we
want
to
work
on
populating
that
with
everybody,
I
think
that'll
help
get
us
on
track,
so
just
a
tool
for.
J
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
an
informal
group
is
is
meeting.
We
did
not
meet
last
week,
but
it's
a
multimodal
people,
black
people
made
from
planning
chris
joyell
from
the
design
center
and
we're
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
the
the
outdoor
spaces
that
are
currently
set
up.
And
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
time
to
to
sort
of
coordinate
this.
So
I'm
all
for
trying
to
well
we'll
meet
informally
I'll
report
back
to
you.
C
We
need
guilla.
Can
you
make
sure
since
andrew
is
the
chair
of
the
public
space
management?
Can
you
make
sure
and
interface
with
him
directly
as
well?
I'm
sure
communicate
whatever's
happening
informally
to
him
sure.
Thank
you.
L
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
the
local
living
economy
subcommittee-
or
I
guess
it
was
a
working
group.
Officially,
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
continue
that,
and
since
this
is
my
last
year
on
the
downtown
commission
but
but
selfishly,
I
would
love
to
see
that
continue
in
some
capacity.
D
I
just
wanted
to
mention,
since
you
might
be
working
from
the
framework
of
a
worksheet,
if
we
could
incorporate,
I
think
it
was
last
year,
I'm
getting
my
months
mixed
up.
We
all
did
a
deep
dive
on
what
was
like
areas
of
priority
and
so
that
that
can
get
overlaid
into
it.
So
there
isn't
this
huge
kind
of
shift.
That
would
be
great
because
that's
work,
we've
already
done
together
and
came
to
consensus
on
thanks.
C
F
C
I
believe
so,
if
it's
a,
if
it's
a
committee
of
the
downtown
commission,
then
the
leaders,
the
the
the
whoever's
you
know
instead
of
I
need
to
look
at
the
I'm,
not
sure.
G
Yeah,
I
think
those
are
that's,
probably
the
2017
minutes
when
we
started
that
committee
back
up
parking
and
transportation
we
went
through
all
of
that.
We
got
all
the
rules
and
they
were
all
on
those
notes.
I
think
it
says
something,
but
I
couldn't
remember
if
it
was
required
to
be
the
chair,
it
must
have
a
commission.
D
C
Yeah
I
mean
it
could
honestly
be
just
as
simple
as
we
make
sure
I
mean
we're
going
to
be
there
and
one
of
you
just
go
okay,
I
want
to
start
the
meeting
and
then
you
let
the
public
person.
That's
also.
There
run
because
they're
really
good
at
what
they
do
right
and
that's
part
of
what
the
committees
are
supposed
to
do
is
pulling
in
the
expertise
and
passion
of
of
our
community
into
this
group
that
we
then
communicate
in
initiatives
back
to
council.
E
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
just
basically
say
what
you
just
what
you
just
did
I
mean
if
you
have
to
have
a
nominal,
a
chair
that
is
a
downtown
commission
member.
That's
fine,
but
that's
no
reason
that
someone
with
energy
and
capacity
that
wants
to
lead
that
discussion
cannot
function,
as
you
know,
as
the
substantive
leader,
if
not
the
nominal
leader,
so
I
don't
think
there's
any
reason
to
if
karen
wants
to
pitch
in
and
help
I'd,
let
not
let
not
the
title
be
in
the
way
agreed.
C
Okay,
so
I'm
pulling
up
several
documents:
okay,
well,
dana.
Can
you
introduce
a
little
bit
more
about
the
and
we'll
move
this
into
the
discussion
of
the
fall
work
session?
Can
you
can
you
describe
what's
going
on
there
a
little
bit.
B
Sure
so
I've
been
coordinating
with
jessica
morris
of
the
transportation
committee
and
I
think
that
there
have
been
some
informal
conversations
happening
with
a
group
that
includes
geo
maggie
ullman
is
helping
coordinate.
Some
of
that,
and
I
appreciate
the
suggestion
brian
to
include
andrew
I've,
also
asked
if
additional
downtown
commission
representation
could
participate,
but
they
are
going
to
be
working
on
a
series
of
work
sessions
to
look
at
some
different
areas
of
interest.
B
B
You
know
in
a
comprehensive
and
thoughtful
way,
and
so
part
of
what
I
think
we
would
want
to
do
at
this
work
session
is
go
over,
that
public
space
management
work
and
and
be
able
to
present
to
you
all
the
guidelines,
the
draft
guidelines
and
get
some
feedback,
but
mo
you
know,
a
big
part
of
that
is
is
bringing
folks
along
revisiting
the
survey
that
was
done
and
like
understanding
what
we
had
learned,
also
going
over
all
of
the
temporary
outdoor
expansion
initiatives,
probably
most
specifically
parklets
and
shared
streets,
and
reviewing
how
those
went
lessons
learned
we're
working
on
launching
a
public
survey
in
early
september,
so
we'll
have
some
additional
public
feedback
to
look
at
and
working
together
to
consider
what
some
of
the
priorities
are,
what
could
be
continued?
B
B
You
know
some
research
to
be
done,
but
I
think
that
hopefully
can
be
a
good
opportunity
for
us
to
come
together
and
to
really
hear
from
these
advisory
bodies
on
priorities
on
where
we
go
from
here
and
some
guidance
on
where
to
go
from
here,
because
there's
a
lot
of
really
tough
questions
to
consider
with
parklets.
B
I
think
it's
yeah
wednesday
october
27th
at
three
o'clock,
probably
two
hours,
two
to
three
hours
wanted
to
just
see
if
that
was
workable.
For
you
all,
that's
one
of
the
multimodal
commission's
regular
meeting
times,
but
did
you
say
three
o'clock
data
yeah,
and
so
I
can
go
ahead
and
send
a
meeting
hold
out
if
that
seems
like
it's
workable
enough
for
this
group.
C
That's
that's
good.
I
I
wanted
to
note
a
couple
things.
One
of
the
things
that's
going
on
with
this
is
and
and
to
kimmy's
point
when
we
went
through
the
priorities
and
recommendations,
we
kind
of
identified
some
some
major
things
regarding
justice
and
then
what
we're
talking
about
right
now,
keys
into
both
what
we
considered
pandemic
items
and
then
master
plan
updates,
and
so
with
what
dana's
talking
about?
What
would
you
know?
C
What
would
be
great
is
if
we
had
like
a
streetscape
master
plan
that
actually
kind
of
went
through
what
we
wanted
to
do
and
this
this
all
kind
of
worked
together
with
our
downtown
master
plan
and
our
living
national
master
plan
and
had
we
had
identified
our
key
pedestrian
streets
and
and
how
we
wanted
those
used,
and
we
had.
We
had
you
know,
and
then
we
could
develop
guidelines
based
on
that
streetscape
master
plan.
C
That
would
require
a
a
full
streetscape
survey
which
we
don't
have,
and
we
don't
have
the
streetscape
master
plan,
but
we
need
some
guidelines
for
for
how
we
utilize
these
spaces,
because
we've
got
people
that
need
them
right
now.
So
we're
going
to
probably
have
to
come
up
with
some
stop
gap,
measures
on
on
what
to
apply
and
then
and
then
work
work
into
our
streetscape
master
plan
as
part
of
what
I
hope
to
be
the
the
downtown
master
plan
update.
C
So
all
this
stuff
is
kind
of
coming
together
at
once,
and
it
all
involves
all
the
pieces
that
we
talk
about
all
the
time,
including
you
know.
A
lot
of
this
is
you
know
who
gets
the
revenue
from
these
spaces
and
how
does
all
that
work?
You
know
that
that
all
comes
back
into
some
of
the
justice
issues
that
we've
talked
about
here.
J
Just
another
facet
that's
been
going
on
for
the
last
few
months
is
we've
been
having
a
working
session
on
tree
planting
specifications
and
so
there's
a
lot
going
on.
That's
that
really
needs
to
be
sorted
out.
So
this
is
a
really
good
timing
for
us
to
do
this.
C
Okay,
so
so,
if,
if
everyone
that
is
available
for
that
work
session
with
on
on
october
27th
and
is
that
is
that
planned
to
be
in
person
or
virtual
that
we
don't
even
know,
do
we
we
don't
even
know
what
we
can
do
so
never
mind.
Sorry.
B
C
We
can
stand
in
pritchard
park
with
like
cans
and
string
or
something
you
know.
C
All
right
any
any
comments
or
questions
regarding
committees
in
the
fall
work
session.
I
don't
want
to
keep
you
too
long
and
I'm
getting
close
already.
C
Wonderful
at
this
time,
we'll
move
into
our
updates
and
reports.
Stephen
lee,
do
you
have
anything
for
the
design
review
committee.
K
I
do
on
let's
see
july
15th,
there
was
one
project
that
was
located
within
the
downtown
area
and
it
was
very
favorably
received
it's
in
the
location
where
the
current
male
chin
that
gigantic
sculpture
is
located
on
the
south
slope
near
cal
at
44
collier
avenue.
K
I
just
I'll
just
keep
this
really
brief,
but
the
it
was
a
mixed-use
project
that
had
restaurant
art,
studio,
space,
retail
on
the
ground,
floor,
underground
parking,
a
24-room
hotel
on
the
second
floor
and
then
10
condos.
On
the
third
floor,
it
was
very
favorably
received
by
the
committee
members
just
based
on
the
exterior
architecture
and
the
scale
with
the
space,
and
I
know
that
commissioner
hunter
and
reigns
and
moffitt
were
each
there.
So
if
anybody
wants
to
comment,
but
that
was
the
only
project
that
was
downtown.
C
He
summarized
it,
I
don't
really
have
any
comments.
Mr
often
does
okay
perfect
I'll
keep
moving
this.
A
C
C
I
will
go
to
commissioner
rogers
for
the
actual
downtown
association.
Okay,.
F
So
you
guys
might
have
seen
that
we
announced
that
we
were
going
to
postpone
the
august
20th
downtown
after
five.
This
was
after
a
lengthy
discussion
at
our
board
meeting
and
just
the
uncertainty
around
even
outdoor
events
and
wondering
if
we're
contributing
to
a
worsening
public
health
crisis
by
having
thousands
of
people
in
a
space
together
and,
ultimately,
just
out
of
an
abundance
of
caution
we
decided
to.
F
Hopefully
we
can
postpone
that
event
until
later
in
the
fall,
we're
working
on
some
ways
to
add
additional
safety
measures
in
september,
in
hopes
that
we
might
be
able
to
move
forward
with
that
event,
so
that
decision
will
be
made
based
on
you
know
where
our
community
health
numbers
and
coded
numbers
are
mostly.
The
response
has
been
positive
so
far
from
the
community
and
our
volunteers
and
sponsors.
So
I'm
sure
not
everyone
agrees,
but
I
think
it
was
the
right
decision
to
make
right
now.
F
We
also
have
two
surveys
that
we
recently
did,
but
one
is
currently
open,
and
that
is
the
indoor
mask
mandate
just
checking
in
with
our
members
to
see
if
they
support
an
indoor
mass
mandate-
and
I
was
just
looking-
we've
had
86
respondents
in
less
than
24
hours
to
that
survey
and
79
of
those
businesses
so
far
are
in
support
of
an
indoor
mass
mandate.
Once
this
survey
closes
I'll,
send
it
to
city
council
and
county
commission
so
that
they
can
take
it
into
consideration.
F
And
then
we
had
a
much
larger
survey
out
for
about
two
weeks.
Our
mid-year
issue
survey,
which
just
the
deadline
on
that
was
just
a
couple
days
ago.
So
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
really
dig
into
it.
But
I
plan
to
do
that
next
week
and
I
can
put
together
some
kind
of
report
or
possibly
our
september
meeting
or
a
meeting
in
the
future
or
not.
C
B
All
right-
and
you
all
have
a
report
on
your
agenda-
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
temporary
outdoor
expansion
initiatives.
Just
want
to
note
again
that
staff's
working
on
a
survey,
a
public
survey
that
we
hope
to
to
get
out
probably
either
right
before
or
right
after
labor
day.
B
So
we'll
make
sure
you
guys
get
that
and
if
you
could
help
get
the
word
out.
That
would
be
awesome.
We've
done
surveys
with
participating
businesses
and
got
some
really
good
information,
but
we
haven't
and
we
were
welcoming
feedback
on
a
public
input
page
on
these
programs,
but
we
haven't
done
a
public
survey
to
explicitly
solicit
that.
So
that's
coming
up
american
rescue
plan
act
funding.
B
There
was
a
council
work
session
on
july.
27Th
staff
presented
some
different
bucket
areas
where
funding
could
be
directed
and
staff
will
be
returning
for
another
upcoming
work
session
on
august
24th
to
try
to
narrow
down
those
priority
categories
a
little
bit
more
and
then
an
rfp
will
go
out
to
the
community,
most
likely
for
non-profit
organizations
and
public
organizations
to
to
respond
to
propose
that
they
can
provide
some
of
the
particular
services
that
have
been
prioritized
by
city
council.
B
So,
yes,
keep
an
eye
out
for
more
information.
There.
Hotel
policy
updates
did
we.
I
think
we
brought
this
up
briefly
yet
staff's
going
to
go
to
city
council
september
14th
to
talk
about
the
first
six
months
of
the
new
hotel
regulations
and
get
any
direction
from
city
council
on
changes.
B
One
thing
that's
gonna
be
discussed
is
that
there
haven't
been
enough
folks
from
the
riverfront
commission
that
want
to
participate
on
the
design,
review
committee
and
thinking
about
possibilities
to
change
the
structure
of
that
committee.
Although
the
riverfront
folks
talked
about
this
yesterday
and
I'm
not
exactly
sure
where
that,
where
that
will
land,
but
just
calling
out
that
component
of
it
sasha,
is
there
anything
else
you
want
to
add
to
this
upcoming
update
to
let
the
downtown
commission
know
about.
A
G
I
was
just
going
to
add,
so
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
missing
or
empty
design
review
seat
and
because
it
was
a
big
jump
for
them.
They
weren't
reviewing
as
many
projects
as
y'all,
so
y'all
were
used
to
it
and
they
weren't,
and
so
some
of
them
didn't
have
the
time
commitment
ability,
anyways
one
idea
I
threw
out,
was
possibly
having
an
at-large
seat,
but
not
necessarily
that
the
commissions
would
pick
a
random
seat,
because
I
think
council
wanted
to
be
like
kind
of.
G
At
least
I
wanted
to
be
not
twice
removed
from
selecting
a
seat
that
reviews
such
an
important
project
and
kind
of
use
in
our
community.
But
so
we
may
talk
about
at
large
if
y'all
have
any
input
on
that.
Just
let
me
know
you
can
reach
out
directly
or
to
all
of
council.
A
I
guess
the
only
thing
other
thing
I
would
add
would
be
that
the
the
other
issue
that
and
really
we're
asking
council
for
direction
so
it'll
be
kind
of
a
high
level
update
one
issue:
we're
seeing
is
that
we're
seeing
extended,
stay
hotels
and
extended
stays
not
bad
in
and
of
itself,
but
the
structures
are
their
individual
condominiums
and
we
cannot
regulate
ownership
by
law,
but
we
do
expect
there
to
be
a
centralized
management,
but
it's
a
hotel.
A
It's
not
it's,
not
just
20
airbnbs
right
like
in
one
building,
so
I
think,
there's
there's
a
possibility
of
some
text
changes
to
tighten
that
language
up
a
little
bit.
So
that's
all,
I
would
say.
B
It
looks
like
the
september
design
review
committee
could
be
a
long
meeting
several
projects
coming
through
and
just
a
note
that
the
next
design
review
committee
meeting
is
going
to
be
held
next
thursday
at
12
30
pm
and
the
four
points
22
woodfin
street
project
is
scheduled
to
go
to
city
council
on
august
24th.
A
I
don't
think
so.
You
know
the
moxie
hotel.
A
The
design
review
committee
saw
a
couple
months
ago,
so
I
kind
of
a
preview
informal
review
and
we're
pretty
excited
about
it
and
we'll
have
an
informal
review
of
q17
hillyard,
the
micro
housing
next
week
and
so
and
also
hopefully
we'll
get
to
48
south
market
street,
which
is
just
a
one-story
addition
to
a
historic
building.
B
Thank
you.
Since
we
last
met
the
revised
noise,
ordinance
went
to
city
council
and
council,
approved
it
on
july
27th,
and
that
new
ordinance
will
go
into
effect
september
15th
and,
in
the
meantime,
a
new
noise
ordnance.
Advisory
board
is
being
set
up
and
applications
are
open
for
that.
So
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
all
know-
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
highlight
andrew.
E
Yeah,
I
noticed
that
it
is
not
listed
on
the
vacancies
page,
the
boards
and
commissions
vacancies
page,
so
you
can
go
there
and
get
a
link
and
you
can
type,
but
it
does
not
actually
say
that
there.
I
was
just
reviewing
this
yesterday.
So
if
you
change
it
last
24
hours,
that's
great,
but
as
of
yesterday,
the
vacancy
on
the
noise
importance
board
was
not
listed.
B
I'll
check
on
that
thanks,
anyone
else
want
to
comment
on
the
noise
ordinance.
Just
okay
steven
lee.
K
This
is
just
a
comment.
I
don't
know
how
appropriate
this
is,
but
the
first
event
that
was
held
on
cox
avenue.
I
think
it
was
a
week
ago.
It
was
great
to
see
all
of
the
pedestrian
traffic
and
it
was
really
exciting
the
noise.
The
excuse
me,
the
sound
from
patton
avenue-
was
extremely
intense.
I
just
want
everybody
to
know
that.
I
don't
know
if
people
have
heard
comments
about
it,
but
it
was
ex.
It
was
loud
like
the
loudest
thing.
I've
heard
downtown,
but
just
point
of.
H
C
D
Thanks
so
I
guess
my
only
comment
and
question
kind
of
combined
is
how
are
decibels
being
factored
in
with
road
noise?
That's
not
human
related
or
any
other
kind
of
sounds.
That's
that's
my
question.
D
You
know
reaction
because
the
the
consensus
or
thought
or
feeling
is
enough
already.
So
I
just
want
us
to
be
mindful
that
there
are
multiple
factors
that
make
up
sound
and
contribute
to
decibels,
and
how
is
that
going
to
be
handled
that
it
doesn't
land
on
the
human
at
the
end
of
an
evening
as
the
punitive
factor
for
the
entire
cumulative
day?
So
just
a
question.
Thank
you.
B
Councilwoman
turner
might
be
more
of
an
expert
on
some
of
the
details
than
me,
but
I
do
think
there
are
some
good
controls
in
place
for
noise
generated
from
public
space.
It's
it's
based
on
different
factors.
It's
not
measured
just
with
a
decibel
level,
it's
measured
on
context
and
reasonableness,
and
so
I
I
don't
expect
the
per
the
point
of
this
updated
ordinance
isn't
to
go
out
proactively.
Enforcing
anything,
that's
over
a
certain
level.
B
It
really
is
intended
to
be
a
reasonable
approach,
a
little
bit
more
objective
when
there's
sound
being
generated
from
private
properties,
but
I,
but
I
will
say
that
there
you
know,
there's
gonna
be
a
period
of
time
this
starts
september
and
then
we're
all
going
to
see
how
this
goes
and
if
there
needs
to
be
certain
adjustments
or
changes,
definitely
looking
to
the
community
to
let
us
know
what
is
working
or
what's
not.
Working
and
sage
did
you
want
to
add
anything.
G
G
I
mean
even
being
able
to
talk
to
a
venue
once
there's
a
problem,
but
before
it
was
just
so
anecdotal
people
had
a
problem,
they'd
call,
but
I
think
some
of
this
is
just
starting
the
work
of
collecting
information,
not
just
knowing
what
the
best
decimal
levels
are,
that
stuff
could
be
subject
to
change,
just
like
the
hotel
ordinances.
So
I
think
we
said
we'd
come
back
in
like
six
or
so
months,
but
we
didn't
want
to
do
that
if
it
was
the
middle
of
winter,
so
it
would
be
somewhere
in
the
spring.
Probably.
C
I'd
see
two
hands
up
guillo
and
then
andrew.
J
K
This
was
from
the
eighth
floor
of
the
office
building
on
patton
avenue,
and
it
was
during
the
sound
testing
at
five
o'clock
and
then
at
the
very
initial
stages
of
the
concert.
I
didn't
hear
it
the
whole
time,
but
it
was
enough
for
us
all
to
like
go
outside
and
try
to
figure
out
what
was
going
on
and
it
was.
It
was
loud.
I
mean
it's,
the
loudest
sound
I've
heard
since
bell
share,
but
I
think
that's
what
the
intent
is,
but
I
just
think
it's
important
for
everybody
to
know.
K
Given
the
concerns
that
were
raised
earlier
by
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
there
are
residents
that
live
in
buildings
that
are
closer
than
my
office
and
but
at
five
o'clock
the
sound
checks
were
surprisingly
loud,
like
yeah.
So
thank.
E
So
thanks,
I
will
note
some
of
the
feedback
I've
gotten.
I
asked.
I
asked
my
attorney
to
review
the
noise
ordinance.
She
described
it
as
pro-citizen.
A
busker
sought
me
out
of
somebody.
I
did
not
know
sought
me
out
and
described
the
noise
ordinance.
This
is
somebody
who's
bussed
all
over
the
country,
described
it
as
the
best
noise
ordinance
he
has
ever
seen.
E
So
I
think
that
we
actually
did
a
pretty
great
job
on
that
effort,
and
I
know
that,
while
I
I
advocated
for
a
slightly
different
result,
I'm
pretty
pleased
for
with
with
with
where
we
landed
as
it
is,
and
I've.
I
think
that
we
can
address
the
concerns.
I
will
say
that
this
again,
this
is
the
hardest
policy.
E
I've
ever
worked
on,
creating
a
blanket
that
is
gonna,
fit
every
situation
and
make
everybody
happy,
and
this
is
physically
impossible,
because
the
physical
nature
of
the
city
changes
from
location
to
location.
So
much-
and
there
are
such
things
as
natural
amphitheaters,
that
function
to
to
to
increase
the
sound
that
can
be
both
man-made
and
the
sort
of
canyoning
effect
in
downtown,
and
that
can
also
be
natural,
as
you
see
in
in
west
montford
and
so
creating
a
blanket
policy
that
is
going
to
fit
all
these
different
situations
is
going
to
be
impossible.
E
We're
going
to
have
if
we're
going,
to
have
a
music
industry,
we're
going
to
have
ragged
edges
around
this
policy
and
there's
simply
not
a
way
to
have
to
to
make
to
make
this
perfect.
It
just
is
a
physical
problem,
so
thanks
to
staff
for
all
the
people,
all
the
effort
that
went
into
this,
I
know
it
was
so
much
more
than
any
other
city
went
through
and
that's
really
really
appreciated,
both
as
a
resident
and
as
someone
who
makes
a
lot
of
my
livelihood
on
sound.
C
G
H
H
G
And
we
notice
there's
like
no
street
trees.
I
mean
there's
just
an
absence
of
things
and
you
know
those
are
just
things
that
this
commission
well,
I
guess
you're
not
doing
design
review
but
you'll
be
talking
about.
You
know
the
impacts
of
projects,
and
you
know
weighing
in
on
guideline
updates
and
stuff.
I
think,
could
really
help.
Even
if
little
parts
are
tweaked,
you
know
we
do
a
lot
about
screening
of
rooftop,
but
we
don't
do
a
lot
of
like
listening
to
rooftop
equipment,
kind
of
stuff.
C
Yeah,
if
you
want
to
catch
a
concert,
it's
cheaper
to
rent
a
spot
on
aston
and
just
like
sit
in
the
back
of
your
car
or
your
truck,
and
because,
when
I
came
to
get
my
car
on
aston
it
was,
it
was
unbelievable.
It
was
great
if
I
wanted
to
catch
the
concert.
I
just
would
have
stayed
there
so
yeah.
I
think
we've
beat
that
horse
to
death
for
today.
B
All
right
I
had
shared
at
our
last
meeting
that
parking
rate
changes
were
going
into
effect
july
1st.
They
have
not
gone
into
effect
yet
so
the
monthly
rates
will
begin
september.
1St
and
the
new
garage
rates
are
going
to
begin
once
the
equipment
is
replaced,
and
I
don't
have
a
date
on
that.
That
is
in
progress
and
then
just
a
note.
It
had
already
come
up.
Yes,
andrew.
E
Yeah,
I
want
to
note
that
the
new
fee
structure
of
restoring
that
first
hour
free
so
that
stays
under
one
hour
actually
cheaper
than
they
were
is
is
great
and
it's.
I
know
that
you
can't
charge
differential
rates
based
on
the
user,
so
we
can't
give
like
a
local
discount,
but
what
we
can
do
is
this
type
of
thing,
which
is
create
products
that
that
locals
are
going
to
be
more
interested
in
and
more
use
and
more
useful
to,
and
so
I
you
know
this.
E
The
strategy
of
creating
a
product
that
is
that
is
more
likely
to
be
used
by
locals
and
making
it
more
accessible
is,
I
think,
a
really
sound
strategy
and
I
support
that
approach
in
other.
In
other
realms
sage,.
G
Well,
since
there's
like
3
000
people
tuning
into
this
very
active
meeting
online,
I
just
wanted
to
put
out
that
we
did
do
something
else
for
locals
that
where
we
did
a
12-hour
rate,
so
the
workforce
in
downtown
can
actually
do
a
12-hour
parking
pass
on
the
decks
at.
I
believe
it's
half
80
a
month,
so
that
was
a
significant
savings
from
say
using
a
meter
every
day
or
you
know.
So
that's
a
cool
perk
too.
For
all
of
you
all.
B
B
I
skipped
one
emergency
shelter,
so
there
was
a
meeting
yeah,
it's
not
downtown,
but
I
know
that
homelessness
is
an
issue
for
downtown
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
guys
are
aware
of
this.
There
was
a
meeting
yesterday
which
I
I
didn't
attend
a
public
meeting
to
talk
about
the
city's
potential
potential
to
purchase
the
ramada
inn
in
east
asheville
over
in
river
ridge,
and
that's
going
to
be
discussed
at
city
council
at
their
august
24th
meeting
and
I
provided
a
link
to
more
information.
G
C
C
Thankfully,
at
this
point
I
can
say
that
it
should
not
affect
this
central
business
district
after
a
long
fight
and
it
has,
it
will
impact
some
of
the
projects
that
we
review
and
it
has
I'm
kind
of
spilled
over,
as
I
think
gill
already
mentioned,
into
updating
our
tree
standards,
which
will
also
impact
our
design
review,
but
I
think
we're
probably
within
another.
I
don't
know
20
or
30
meetings
of
receiving
resolution
on
it.
So
somewhat
tongue-in-cheek,
but
not
really.
C
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
quick
update
on
that,
and
then
I
don't
think
we're
allowed
to
do
socials
anytime
soon,
but
we
would
like
to
because
again
I
haven't
met
most
of
you
and
I
I
you
you
look
like
you
would
be
wonderful
people
to
meet
we'd
like
to
do
that
and
then
meeting
minutes
are
are
going
going
forward,
are
going
to
be
in
an
abbreviated
format
as
action
minutes,
since
we
are
video,
recording
everything,
there's
really
no
need
and
and
having
someone
try
to
take
down
a
verbatim.
C
B
C
Perfect,
all
in
favor
adjourn.