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I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
board
members
who
are
participating
virtually
please
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Charles
beck.
C
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A
B
Our
first
order
of
business
is
approval
of
the
january
10th
meeting
minutes.
G
E
B
A
E
B
G
B
B
H
Just
to
one
of
the
things
that
we
added
since
the
last
meeting
was
that
we
thought
it
was
important
to
add.
I
mean.
H
Hat
ahead
of
time-
and
hopefully
everyone
is
able
to
review
it
some
of
these
numbers-
we
don't
have
to
go
through
everything,
just
some
things
that
are
a
little
different.
Is
that
we'll
still
have
the
amount
of
companies
that
we've
received
since
our
last
meeting,
but
real
store
is
important
to
show
how
we
are
receiving
these,
these
complaints,
obviously
up
to
apd
direct
emails,
online,
etc.
Just
so,
everyone
gets
at
least
a
view
of
how
we're
getting
some
of
our
information.
H
H
So
that's
just
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
discuss
that
we
are
seeing
a
trend
because
of
the
time
of
year,
more
people
are
indoors
because
it's
cold
bars
and
music
venues
and
stuff
like
that,
really
haven't
cranked
up
yet.
So
this
is
a
time
where
rania-
and
I
took
advantage
of
that
time
and
we'll
explain
to
you
later
what
we,
what
we
had
hoped
to
do,
the
goals
we
wanted
to
meet
and
we
actually
did
leave
those
goals.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
on
the
trends
right
now?
I
H
Okay,
I'm
gonna
keep
moving
forward
out
of
all
the
complaints
and
of
what
we've
done
actually
not
just
the
past
month,
but
in
the
last
couple
of
months.
One
of
the
challenges
that
we
continue
to
see
and
that
we're
going
to
bring
up
further
down
the
road
in
terms
of
conversation
with
the
board
is
subjective
complaints
in
a
lot
of
places
where
we
can't
take
decibel
readings
or
it's
a
he
said
she
said
type
of
situation.
H
Complaints
are
very
hard
to
tackle
they're
very
hard
to.
We
become
the
mediator
where
the
we're
the
referee
in
a
lot
of
situations,
and
that
really
just
that
is
really
difficult.
If
somebody
calls
in
a
complaint,
we
take
it
serious,
we
investigate
it,
but
sometimes
we
speak
or
we
investigate
the
noise
maker,
and
we
realize
there's
three
sites
to
every
story,
so
it
makes
it
very
difficult.
H
So
that's
something
that
will
come
up
that
we'll
discuss
later
on,
probably
in
another
meeting,
but
we
just
wanted
to
bring
it
up
now,
since
we
are
seeing
that
things
that
are
working
well
earlier,
we
had
said
one
of
our
goals
from
last
meeting
for
the
first
quarter
was
the
management
owner
involvement
and
the
relationships
that
we're
that
we're
trying
to
make
with
a
lot
of
the
property
owners
of
apartment,
complex
managers
and
so
forth
ryan,
and
I
actually
we
hit
the
pavement
and
we
actually
were
able
to
meet
out
of
the
34
private
property.
H
Companies,
the
actual
offices
we
met,
face
to
face
with
all
of
them
in
the
past
month
to
have
these
to
have
this
talk
to
see
how
they're
how
they
handle
noise
complaints?
What
do
they
do?
What
are
their
protocols,
what
they
have
in
place,
and
it's
pretty
interesting
on
all
the
information.
H
H
They
were
very
grateful
because
we
now
have
been
working
with
them
for
the
last
two
or
three
months,
so
it
was
a
matter
of
actually
matching
a
face
to
the
name
and
the
really
nice
meetings.
J
H
H
Another
goal
that
we
didn't
meet
that
we
wanted
to
ramp
up
for
this
time
of
year,
where,
although
they
were
response
based,
was
a
field
work
report
that
everybody.
I
hope
everybody
got
the
field
work
report.
Do
you
want
to
explain
this
one?
A
little.
I
Sure
so
the
the
field
work
report
is
is
largely
based
on
a
complaint.
So
if
we
have
a
complaint,
we
may
reach
out
to
the
business
owner
business
operator
and
see
about
addressing
the
complaint,
what
they're
going
to
do
to
try
and
mitigate
it.
If
that
we
may
go
through
that
process,
we
may
go
straight
to
this,
but
but
one
way,
the
other
we
we
may
end
up
trying
to
work
with
the
business
owner.
I
A
lot
of
noise
complaints
come
in
and
people
will
say:
well,
it's
two
or
three
nights
a
week
at
two
o'clock
in
the
morning.
Well
that
that's
not
something
that
we're
able
to
address
in
that
moment
and
number
one
because
of
the
hours,
but
secondly,
because
of
it's
sometimes
random.
I
There
isn't
a
pattern
where
we
can
actually
go
out
and
be
there
and
catch
it
in
the
moment
and
obviously
we
we
need
to
be
able
to
do
that
if
we're
going
to
determine
whether
a
decimal
level
is
compliant
or
not
so
one
thing
we've
started
working
with
is
also
again
a
bit
more
of
the
collaborative
approach
that
we
always
wanted
to
address.
I
Noise
with,
as
a
city
is
and
reaching
out
to
the
venue
owner
or
the
venue
operator
and
having
us,
come
out
and
and
do
some
readings
with
them
and
work
with
them
and
their
engineer.
If
they
have
an
engineer
and
in
those
cases
we
will
let
the
complainant
know
that
that's
going
to
happen,
because
we
will
take
readings
from
the
complainants
property
line,
so
they'll
be
aware
that
it's
happening
and
then
based
on
what
we
saw
or
experienced
or
what
readings
we
got.
I
And
at
that
moment
we
will
then
write
up
a
little
bit
of
a
report
and
work
with
the
the
venue
operator
have
a
look
around
the
property
see
if
there
are
things
we
can
see
at
that
moment
in
time
to
actually
that
might
mitigate
the
noise
and
also
and
type
up.
This
report
send
it
to
both
parties,
and
usually
our
mo
on
that
is.
I
I
will
call
the
complainant
the
morning
after
we've
been
out
to
the
property,
and
I
will
let
them
know
that
the
report
will
be
emailed
to
them
and
the
example
that
we
gave
you
here.
You
know
I
spoke
with
a
complainant
before
we
went
over
and
after
we
went,
we
went
out
and
took
took
the
readings,
and
you
know
he
he
was
actually
really
gracious.
He
was
very
grateful
that
we
went
out
and
did
it.
We
made
a
determination.
I
He
said
it
sounded
loud
to
him
and
it
it
was
in
compliance
with
the
ordinance
and
he
was
very
accepting
of
that
and
but
also
very
grateful
that
he
knew
one
way
or
the
other.
So
we
did
make
some
recommendations
in
that
one.
I
We
would
probably
look
to
do
that
always
or
trying
to
have
some
discussion
with
the
operators
about
how
we
might
mitigate
noise,
even
if,
even
if
the
sound
is
in
compliance
just
as
part
of
that
better
good
good
will
and
that
we
would
try
and
bring
to
these,
and
it
also
helps
us
going
forward
when
we
are
working
proactively
with
owners
or
operators,
because
we're
bringing
our
good
faith
to
make
sure
they're
in
compliance.
I
And
you
know
it
would
hope
that
that
effort
creates
a
relationship
for
us
to
have
with
them,
so
that
if
we,
if
we
have
to
come
back
to
them
a
second
time
we
we've
already,
you
know
made
this
effort
to
to
to
ensure
they're
in
compliance,
not
just
for
their
sake
but
for
the
complainants,
and
so
that's.
We've
had
really
good
response
from
from
the
two
cases
that
we've
done
with
that.
Since
we
met
you
last
and
in
both
cases
the
complainant
said
well,
you
know,
thank
you.
I
Thank
you
for
doing
it.
At
least
we
know
I'm
sure
they.
You
know
that
the
sound
may
be
still
audible
to
them,
but
they
know
that
in
a
decimal
zoning
scenario,
that
the
actual
noise
that
they
were
reporting
or
actually
music,
that
they
were
reporting,
was
actually
in
compliance
with
the
permitted
decimal
levels.
In
that
zoning
district.
K
Thanks,
so
it
goes
back
to
what
daniel
was
talking
about
with
the
multi-family
stuff.
It
it's
not
clear
to
me
what
what
the
exact
guidances
you
guys
are
giving
to
multi-family
managers
and
tenants.
Okay-
and
maybe
maybe
I
just
forgot
it
from
last
time,
but
are
we
still
encouraging
attendance
to
file
noise
complaints
via
any
of
the
methods
that?
Yes,
yes,
okay?
Yes,
so
we
we
won't
lose
those
complaints,
because
they're
going
to
the
managers
first
correct,
correct.
I
So
you're,
absolutely
right
and
so
rick.
What
we're
really
trying
to
do
is
again.
We
can't
be
in
the
moment
at
an
apartment,
complex
at
11
30
at
night
and
just
from
the
field
work
that
we
did
in
january.
We're
discovering
a
lot
of
them
do
have
and
courtesy
officers
and
honestly,
it
kind
of
shows
in
the
data,
because
a
lot
of
them
we've
never
had
any
complaints
from.
But
those
people
will
address
things
in
the
moment
and
we
are
encouraging
people
to
certainly
continue
to
communicate
with
us.
I
Most
all
of
them
have
have
internal
processes
for
noise
themselves,
also,
in
addition
to
the
ordinance.
So
yes,
we're,
certainly
not
encouraging
them
to
only
go
there.
They
can
certainly
come
back.
So
if
we
get
so,
if
we
get
at
the
complaint
via
apd
rig,
what
we
would
what
we
would
want
that
complainant
to
do
when
we
follow
up
with
them,
is
for
for
them
to
have
us,
be
our
their
point
of
contact
so
that
we
can.
I
I
No,
we
have
not.
We
have
again,
like
I
say
the
the
outreach
that
we
did
in
january
was
it
was
you
know
it
was
very.
It
was
very
labor
intense,
but
it's
very
worthwhile.
We
had
some.
I
We
had
some
great
conversations
with
property
managers
and
we've
never
got
that,
but
I
think
the
two
things
that
we've
we've
we've
always
said:
complainants,
if
you
ever
feel
in
danger,
you
should
always-
or
if
you
ever
feel
somebody
else
is
in
danger-
should
always
call
apd,
but
I
I
assume
that,
just
by
the
relationship
that
we
would
start
to
develop
with
the
complainant-
and
we
would
follow
up
with
to
see
if
their
complaint
had
been
dealt
with,
that
they
would
be
comfortable
enough
to
let
that
know.
I
Let
us
know
I'm
not
sure
what
what
role
we
would
have
in
that
scenario,
to
be
honest
with
you,
but
I
I'm
sure
they
would
I'm
sure
they
would
let
us
know.
We
have
not
had
that
experience
today.
Rick.
H
Okay,
thanks
sure
I
think,
what's
important
to
know
about
in
terms
of
when,
when
someone
makes
a
complaint
with
their
property
manager
and
we've
come
across
this
now
a
little
more
less
now
and
then
we
talk
about
it
with
their
managers.
If
they
don't
say
this
to
anyone,
we'll
get
the
oh,
you
did
nothing
about
it
or
the
police
did
nothing
about
it
or
my
manager
does
anything
about
it.
One
of
our
first
questions
is:
who
did
you
report
this
to?
Well?
H
No
one
yet
so
we're
like
well,
someone
needs
to
know
someone
has
to
start
the
chain
a
lot
a
few
times.
We
facilitate
that.
We
facilitate
that
that
role
to
start
because
we'll
say
hey,
would
you
like
me
to
contact
your
property
manager?
We
always
remind
them.
You
might
not
be
the
only
person
complaining
about
complaining
about
apartment,
101
and
that's
when
the
light
bulb
goes
on.
H
Unlike
you
might
be
one
of
four
people,
and
this
gives
your
property
manager
leverage
to
enforce
the
rules
that
you
have
enforced
rules
and
regulations
that
where
you
signed
a
dotted
line
on
a
lease,
it
says
you
can't
do
this
this
and
this
we
can't
ryan
and
I
can't
micromanage
a
property
manager.
That's
not
our
job,
but
our
job
is
sometimes
we
have
to
ask
hey
what
what
did
end
up
happening
with
that
a
lot
of
times.
They
got
a
violation.
H
Their
lease
is
no
longer
eligible
for
renewal,
so
something
has
been
done
because
finally,
the
person
did
report
the
incident,
but
it
just
surprises
us
so
many
times
where
the
complainant
will
say.
Well,
I
haven't
told
anyone
or
haven't
said
anything
or
they
were
cautious
to
call
apd
or
whatever
the
situation.
So
the
fact
that
we
followed
up
they
were
so
happy
because
we
got
that
rolling
with
them
and.
I
I
think
that
follow-up
gives
them
a
little
bit
of
support
if,
if
they
are
concerned
about-
and
you
know,
dealing
with
their
property
managers
directly
and
and
that
may
be
a
perfectly
valid
and
concern
that
they
have.
I
think
the
fact
that
we've
reached
out-
and
you
know
said-
we've
we've
received
your
complaint.
I
Maybe
may
afford
them
in
that
situation,
where
people
may
be
concerned
or
not
not
concerned
that
there
might
be
some
retaliation,
but
maybe
just
unsure
that
there
might
be,
and
I
think,
having
that
relationship
helps
a
little
bit
for
everybody's
purpose,
but
yeah
I
mean
that
the
the
property
manager
ultimately
has
to
be
included.
In
that
conversation.
I
I
Questions
about
the
staff
report
or
the
the
field
reports
or
any
kinds
of
feedback
on
the
field
reports.
I
hope
I
explained
a
problem.
D
Yes,
so
I
actually
experienced
it
as
a
business
owner
daniel
you
came
out
and
saw
me
I
gotta
say
from
from
my
perspective.
It
was
extremely
helpful
because
I
got
to
see
not
only
where
the
noise
complaint
was
coming
from,
but
also
what
it
sounded
like
and
where
I'm
at
from
from
a
decibel
level,
which
luckily
I
was
I
was
under
where
I
needed
to
be,
but
it
what
the
process
itself
for
me
and
I've
been
doing
this
for
a
little
while
it
was
extremely
helpful.
D
It
really
is
helpful
to
have
someone
from
the
city
come
out
at
you
know.
12
o'clock
at
night
meet
with
me
in
the
standing,
cold
and-
and
you
know,
have
an
honest
conversation
like
okay.
I
see
why
they're
complaining,
but
somebody
just
told
a
big
joke
and
everybody's
laughing
and
the
laugher
has
carried,
and
it's
like
or.
D
Or
something
has
happened
of
loudness,
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
it's
it's
it's
obviously
loud,
but
it's
not
breaking
the
law
and
so
being
able
to
find
that
little
buffer
and
just
kind
of
have
a
sense
of
comfort
from
a
business
standpoint
and
also
letting
you
know
what
I've
done
and
what
I
can
do,
because
daniel
gave
me
some
great
options
as
well,
so
extremely
beneficial.
I
think,
even
though
this
is
all
kind
of
crazy
and
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
the
process
of
field
work
is
really
beneficial.
I
believe
thank.
H
H
Place
but
the
the
good
thing
about
that
situation
is
that
the
complainant
for
your
situation,
the
the
email
reply
was
so
grateful
of
saying:
okay,
I
get
it
at
least
someone
was
there.
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
saw
the
time
you
were
there,
which
was
in
that
scope
of
10
30
and
12
30..
H
So
I
think
I
was
at
your
place
around
11
30
11
45
and
then
you
were
in
full
swing,
but
it
was
just
what
we're
saying
all
the
parties
are
involved
and
the
fact
that
the
complainant
was
appreciative
of
saying
and
ever
since
that
they
have
not
called
back,
because
it's
probably
the
same
about
the
same
level
of
noise
and
they
realize
they
have
the
same
information
that
you
got
except
names
are
crossed
out,
they're
for
protection,
but
all
the
information's
there.
So
thank
you
for
bringing.
I
It
up
thank
you
and
foreign,
my
thanks
to
that.
My
gratitude
to
that,
because
just
given
the
the
scope
of
what
we
may
be
dealing
with
with
two
people
trying
to
do
this
and
and
and
essentially
we're
administrative
staff,
we
do
schedule
to
go
out
and
but
I
think
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
explain
earlier
about
the
goodwill
in
this.
I
think
it's,
it's
there's
a
sense
of
goodwill
for
all
parties
involved,
and
I
you
know
the
other
one
that
we
gave
as
the
example
the
the
gentleman
I
I
told
him.
I
I
said
you
know
this
is
the
only
way
for
us
to
determine
if
there's
a
violation
or
not-
and
I
I
have
to
I
have
to
hope
and
expect
that
the
the
potential
or
the
noisemaker
at
this
point
is
going
to
crank
the
music
up
as
loud
as
it
can
and
work
with
us.
I
But
the
good
faith
effort
that
we're
bringing
to
this
and-
and
I
think
that
that's
really
important
again
for
just
that
whole
collaborative
approach
to
living
with
you
know
living
with
a
level
of
noise
and
collaborating
to
to
find
a
space
for
everybody
to
be.
You
know,
and
at
least
aware
of
what
that
that
level
of
noise
is
in
this
case
also,
this
gentleman
did
email
us
back
the
next
day
and
say:
he'd
really
appreciate
our
follow-up,
our
you
know,
communication
with
them
and
you
know
and
thanked
us.
So.
Thank
you
again.
H
The
report
that
we
sent
you
was
coming
up
is
a
similar
situation
with
with
the
field
work
reports,
since
we
really
didn't
have
a
season,
but
we
really
came
into
this
in
up
right
in
september
october.
We
didn't
have
the
spring
and
summer
time.
So
it's
already
on
the
website,
where
venues
and
we're
going
to
reach
out
to
venues
that
we
did
have
a
little
interaction
with
by
the
end
of
last
year.
H
Yeah
we're
going
to
reach
out
to
them
to
do
proactive,
work
to
see
when
they're
going
to
start
outdoor
music.
If
they're
going
to
have
live
bands
djs
we're
going
to
go
out
there
to
take
field
measurements
with
them
before
they
even
start
the
event
even
a
week
or
two
before
just
so.
They
know
their
levels
where
they
are
where
we
can
help
them,
and
then
that
way,
this
we're
having
a
proactive
approach
versus
always
being
responding
to
something.
H
So
this
way
we
can
say,
hey,
we've
already
been
to
abc
bar
abc.
We
know
where
their
levels
are.
We
know
they
have
live
music,
dj,
music
and
even
the
night
of
the
event.
We
can
schedule
to
be
there
just
to
make
sure
they're
in
compliance.
So
if
we
get
a
complaint
the
next
day,
we
kind
of
have
something
to
go
by.
K
Yeah,
just
maybe
a
hint
for
for
daniel
and
you
grania.
I
did
a
bunch
of
research
on
this
back
in
the
day
and
it
depends
a
ton
on
the
temperature,
the
humidity
and
the
wind
direction
on
the
actual
decibels
felt
at
the
complainant
site.
K
So
you
know
you
might
just
want
to
start
to
capture
that
information
when
you're
either
doing
proactive
field
work
or
responding
to
a
complaint,
because
it
would
just
be
it'd,
be
painful
to
the
venue
to
feel
like
they
were
rock
solid,
but
all
the
measurements
were
when
it
was
cold
and
dry
and
not
windy
and
then
the
first
time
we
get
a
typical
day
in
the
summertime,
which
is
when
people
are
going
to
be
on
their
decks
and
stuff
like
that,
suddenly
they're
out
of
spec.
So
just
just
the
thought
for.
I
I
So
anybody
got
anything
else
on
the
the
staff
report
or
the
the
field
report
where
we're
we're
good
to
move
on.
If
nobody
has
any
other
questions,
if,
if
you
do,
we
can
you
know
circle
backwards,
fine.
B
B
The
mission
of
the
noise
advisory
board
is
to
evaluate
the
effectiveness
of
the
revised
ordinance
regarding
noise
regulation
and
related
city
policies,
with
the
goal
of
developing
recommendations
regarding
amendments
additions
or
deletions,
the
noise
advisory
board
will
also
evaluate
the
effectiveness
of
enforcement
of
the
ordinance
in
regards
to
response
times,
compliance
rates,
distribution
of
complaints
and
ensuring
equitable
outcomes.
We
will
propose
long-term
objectives
for
achieving
reduced
levels
of
sound
for
our
business
and
residential
communities
and
propose
means
for
implementing
such
objectives.
D
I
like
it,
I
think
it's
pretty
simple,
straightforward.
It
did
bring
up
a
question
that
I
had
though,
and
maybe
somebody
on
the
board
knows.
Maybe
we
don't
maybe
it's
just
irrelevant,
but
has
the
city
discussed
anything
I
I
remember
reading
something
briefly
about
creating
entertainment
districts.
Is
that
still
on
the
table,
or
is
that
just
kind
of
far
off.
B
F
Yeah,
I'm
just
so
corbin,
that's
a
really
really
good
memory.
During
the
process
of
drafting
the
ordinance.
A
lot
of
participants
pointed
to
raleigh.
So
raleigh
has
this
concept
of
entertainment
districts
where
they
basically
allow
certain
parts
of
the
city
to
be
louder
than
others.
I
think
there's
special
permitting
that
goes
along
with
that,
but
that's
about,
as
far
as
that
got
was,
is
just
kind
of
a
comparison
point
during
the
adoption
process
for
the
ordinance,
but
we
haven't
done
anything
with
it.
Since
those
meetings
and
those
long
long
discussions.
D
B
E
Yeah,
I
think
it
looks
good
it's
solid,
it's
nice
and
succinct.
I
have
no
issues
with
it.
It's
more
just
a
clarifying
question
when,
as
far
as
the
wording
of
evaluating
the
effectiveness
of
enforcement
of
the
ordinance
in
regards
to
xyz
does
the
does
this
yeah.
Does
that
statement
the
effectiveness
of
enforcement?
Does
that
also
include
any
sort
of
conversation
or
input
around
who
responds
or
what's?
E
What's
you
know,
group
agency
department
response,
or
is
that
something
that
we
do
not
have
any
sort
of
say
in
because
I
just
I'm
asking
because
of
our
conversation
regarding
who
in
particular
responds
last
session.
K
Jessica,
I
try
to
check
a
shot
at
that.
If
that's
okay,
yeah.
K
So
when
I
was
thinking
of
this,
I
think
that
it's
the
board's
responsibility
to
understand
both
sides
of
enforcement,
regardless
of
who
is
performing
the
enforcement,
so
certainly
the
complainant
they
have.
They
have
an
opinion
about
what
good
enforcement
is,
and
there
are
taxpayers
and
voters.
So,
regardless
of
the
challenges
we
have
with
the
understaffed
apd
at
this
time,
we
shouldn't
leave
that
out
of
our
evaluation
as
a
board.
K
You
know,
because
we're
supposed
to
make
policy
recommendations
to
the
to
city
council
on
this
right.
So
if,
if
the
citizens
are,
would
give
us
a
d
on
enforcement
because
there's
not
enough
enforcement
personnel
in
either
bend
staff
or
apd
to
get
there
in
time
to
cause
their
pain
to
go
away,
then
I
don't
feel
like
we'd,
be
doing
our
job
if
we
didn't
listen
to
them
and
score
enforcement
appropriately
same
way
on
behalf
of
the
noisemaker.
E
So
affirmative,
I
guess
we.
E
Input
as
to
what
parties
may
be
responding
and
providing
enforcement,
then
yeah
yeah
cool,
okay,
cool.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
that
helps
other
than
that.
It
looks.
It
looks
great.
It's
nice
and
succinct.
It's
good.
B
I
I
think
again
just
to
to
reiterate
what
we've
said
in
the
past,
that
this
is
a
new
advisory
board
and,
and
things
are
going
to
change,
and
so
I
think,
as
we
move
along
we'll
just
have
to
all
be
I
mean
I
think,
we'll
be
looking
at
all
avenues
of
that,
and
that's
definitely
when
we
put
this
together
was
something
that
rick
and
I
talked
about
was,
is
really
being
able
to
see
based
on
the
reports
that
we
were
getting
and
as
we'll
get
into
with
new
business
about
the
data
and
the
information
we're
getting.
B
If
of
where,
where
any
parts
of
gaps
of
of
enforcement
you
know,
effective
enforcement
is
and
make
considerations
accordingly,
based
on
where,
where
we're
falling
short
with
that
so
yeah,
so
that's
definitely
something
that
we
had
in
mind
when
we
put
this
together,
any
other
questions
or
comments
before
we
go
before.
I
ask
for
a
motion
to
approve.
B
B
Thank
you
jeff.
We
got
a
second
from
jeff
santiago
now
if
we
can
have
a
roll
call
to
vote,
let's
see
rick
freeman
yay
charles
beck.
E
B
B
And
yay
for
jessica
thomason,
so
the
motion
to
approve
the
the
the
motion
to
approve
the
mission
statement
for
the
noise
advisory
board
has
been
passed.
Thank
you
very
much.
Everybody
appreciate
that
and
now
next
order
of
old
business
is
to
hear
from
chris
collins
on
an
update
of
the
outdoor
performance
venues.
J
J
All
right
there
we
go
perfect,
okay,
so
just
the
background
on
this.
Basically,
you
know:
through
the
process
of
the
noise
ordinance
development,
it
became
clear
to
us
that
a
use
that
we
don't
have
any
specified
zoning
standards
for
is
outdoor
performance
venues
and
that's
becoming
a
more
popular
use.
So
that
was
a
recommendation
that
came
out
of
our
work
on
the
noise
ordinance
was
to
take
a
look
at
how
zoning
approaches
those
outdoor
performance
venues.
J
So
what
we
have
now
right
now
we
allow
outdoor
performance
venues
as
just
performance
centers,
so
there's
no
doesn't
there's
no
differentiation
made
between
indoor
and
outdoor
uses
right
now,
so
it's
a
sandor
music
hall
or
it's
an
outdoor
music
arena.
It's
it's
treated
the
same
way
as
zoning
and
there
are
no
special
standards
to
mitigate
community
impacts.
Now
we're
we
talk
about
noise
here,
but
this
is
a
broader
approach
too.
J
There's
large
venues
gatherings
and
shows
have
a
lot
of
impacts
that
have
to
be
managed
and
expected
from
noise
to
traffic,
to
crowd
control
to
all
that
stuff.
So
it's
not
just
noise
but
we'll
think
about
it.
From
a
noise
perspective
today
and
like
I
said,
the
noise
ordnance
work
that
was
done
did
identify
the
need
for
these
standards.
J
J
So
what
we're
looking
at
right
now
doing
is
create
two
new
land
use
types
both
of
those
are.
We
have
an
outdoor
performance
menu
which
you'll
hear
is
called
primary
use
and
an
outdoor
performance
venue
is
an
accessory
use
all
right.
So
I'll
show
you
a
definition
of
that
in
just
a
minute,
but
that's
like
hey.
J
J
That's
the
river
arts
forum
district
and
the
haywood
road
foreign
district,
but
we're
just
counting
those
as
one
district
each
for
simplicity's
sake,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
zoning
districts
in
asheville
and
then
the
plan
is
to
allow
with
a
special
use
permit
in
the
central
business
district.
J
You
need
to
approach
this
use,
not
disallow
it
but
approach
it
a
little
more
cautiously
and
figure
out
where
the
right
place
to
go
is
so
a
special
use.
Permit
is
something
that
does
require
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
does
require
city
council
approval,
so
that's
the
difference
there
and
you
can
estab.
J
You
can
attach
certain
conditions
and
standards
to
that
permit
to
help
it
kind
of
fit
better
and
we're
looking
to
establish
development
and
operational
standards
for
accessory
uses,
and
that's
kind
of
our
first
go
at
this,
but
that
is
a
big
neighborhood
impact
we've
found
lately
and,
at
the
same
time
reduce
the
duration
allowed
for
temporary
use
permits.
We
now
allow
six
months
under
temporary
use
permit.
So
this
is
not
effective
if
somebody
can
still
just
pull
a
temporary
use.
J
Permit
to
have
live
music
outdoors
with
no
standards
for
six
months
out
of
the
year,
so
we
have
to
roll
that
back
a
little
too,
and
it
is
unusual
for
us
to
allow
180-day
activity
under
a
temporary
use.
Permit
it's
not
something
you
find
at
most
cities,
so
there
might
be
a
reason
for
that,
but
we're
working
on
that
now
so
diving
into
it.
Let's
take
a
look
at
defining
some
uses.
J
So
we
would
define
an
outdoor
performance
venue,
as
is
stated
up
here,
and
that's
going
to
be
a
place
where
more
than
20
percent
of
the
site
is
dedicated
to
outdoor
performance
right.
It
can
have
other
things
going
on,
but
more
than
20
percent
of
the
site
area
is
strictly
for
outdoor
performance
and
we've
also
been
looking
at
it
would
also-
or
it
could
also
have
less
than
20
and
have
a
certain
number
of
occupancy
allowed
certain
number
of
people,
because
again
managing
these
impacts
is
not
just
about
the
noise.
J
It's
about
the
traffic,
the
crowd,
control
and
all
that
stuff.
So
that's
kind
of
your
threshold
there
that
said
an
outdoor
performance
menu
accessory,
would
be
a
place
where
less
than
20
of
the
site
area
is
used
for
an
outdoor
performance
area.
So
think
you
know
neighborhood
bar
that
opens
up
a
stage
outside
and
charges
for
shows
and
they
add
that
on
to
their
primary
use,
which
is
the
which
is
the
bar,
the
tavern,
the
restaurant,
whatever
it
may
be.
J
So
the
goal
here
would
be
to
regulate
these
two
uses
slightly
differently.
They
do
present
different
challenges.
So
that's
why
we
split
them
up
like
this.
J
The
other
thing
we'll
introduce
our
parking
standards.
We
don't
have
any
specified
parking
standards
for
this
type
of
use
and
are
inner
zoning
at
this
time,
and
that's
what
we're
proposing
right
now
to
do
basic
base
the
parking
standards
purely
on
the
maximum
allowed
occupancy
that
they're,
given
by
a
building
on
fire
when
they
open.
J
J
All
right,
so,
let's
look
at
primary
uses
first,
so
I
just
drew
a
little
picture
here,
just
to
talk
about
the
concepts
and
what
we're
looking
at
doing
so.
The
main
tools
for
mitigating
impacts
here
are
well.
You
just
saw
one
of
them
parking
standards
to
help
control
parking
and
vehicular
impacts,
but
as
far
as
noise
goes,
the
ordinance
is
going
to
set
forth
a
minimum
size
for
a
piece
of
land
that
can
be
used
for
a
primary
outdoor
performance
venue.
J
Right
now
we
have
1.5
acres
in
there.
We
feel
pretty
good
about
that,
but
we're
still
kind
of
finalizing
that
that's
the
right
number,
but
the
concept
here
is
it
would
need
to
be
a
larger
piece
of
land
and
it
would
require
that
a
buffer
be
installed
around
the
property
and
be
100
feet
from
residential
zoning
and
that's
to
establish
a
new
outdoor
performance
venue.
But
that's
all
they
do
right.
Well,
they
do
other
things
on
the
side.
They
maybe
sell
some
pizzas,
but
the
main
reason
they're.
J
J
We
would
require
a
sound
impact
plan
now
that
that
was
what
was
defined
in
the
noise
ordinance
of
what
folks
need
to
give
us
when
they
are.
Oh
sorry
seeking
a
sound
exceedance
permit.
So
it's
the
same
document.
If
someone
wants
to
exceed
their
decibels
or
whatever
through
the
southern
decedent's
permit,
we
would
ask
for
a
sound
impact
plan.
We
would
require
that
to
establish
this
use,
and
that
is
we've
got
a
checklist.
Go
through
show
us
how
this
is
not
going
to
be.
J
Show
us
how
you're
going
to
manage
your
noise
right
at
the
onset.
A
lot
of
what
we
heard
with
some
things
was:
let's,
let's
incorporate
this
into
the
development
process.
Let's
make
sure
people
know
from
the
get-go
what
they
need
to
do
from
a
noise
perspective.
Even
though
noises
noise
control
isn't
zoning,
there's
a
lot
to
be
gained
for
the
person
who's
trying
to
for
the.
J
Neighborhood
to
get
into
this
process
early
and
then
of
course,
we
said
requiring
a
special
use
permit
in
the
central
business
district.
So
that's
downtown.
Only
city
council
approval.
J
J
So
in
this
case
let's
say
the
primary
use
here:
whatever
it
may
be,
restaurant
bar
they
just
come
in
put
in
a
stage
with
amplification
and
don't
want
to
do
anything
else
to
the
site.
The
ordinance
is
going
to
require
that
it
be
500
feet
from
residential
zoning,
and
that's
just
like
I
said
plopping
in
the
stage
amplified
speakers
and
go.
J
Or
if
a
sound
attenuating
wall
which
we
define
in
the
ordinance,
we're
gonna
define
a
little
more
right
now,
it's
defined
as
being
six
inches
in
width,
eight
feet
in
height
and
there's
gonna
be
a
little
more.
That
goes
into
the
definition.
So
it's
a
substantial
wall
now,
but
we're
going
to
try
and
define
that
out
a
little
harder
so
like
the
like,
the
densely
planted
landscape
buffer,
the
sound
wall
would
allow
that
area
to
be
reduced
to
from
500
feet
to
100
feet
to
residential
zoning.
J
I
thought
I
had
one
more
okay,
that's
the
last
slide.
That's
why
I
wouldn't
go
any
further,
so
that
is
that's
the
basics
of
the
structure
of
this
ordinance
and
where
we're
going
with
it
right
now,
it's
about
sound
attenuation
and
distance
parking
standards
and
minimum
lot
size
and
sound
impact
plans
for
the
primary
uses.
J
J
J
This
would
not
affect
existing
businesses.
So
if
a
business
is
legally
permitted
prior
to
this
ordinance
taking
effect,
they
would
have
a
non-conforming
right
to
continuing
operating.
So
this.
Since
this
is
zoning
and
not
noise,
it
works
a
little
differently,
so
anybody
who's
got
an
existing
situation
that
falls
under
these
rigs
would
not
be
pushed
into
these
regulations.
J
And
right
now
you
this
is
the
first
committee.
That's
had
first
board,
that's
had
a
look
at
this,
so
we're
pretty
early
on
in
the
process.
So
I
will
stop
talking
and
build
any
questions
you
have
at
this
time.
C
Yeah
actually
a
couple
chris
so
since
it
doesn't
apply
to
existing
businesses,
what
happens
when
and
I'll
use
a
case
in
point
downtown
if
they
build
the
high-rise,
affordable,
housing
next
to
the
bus
station?
Are
you
going
to
discourage
them
from
building
50
feet
away
from
a
performance
stage.
J
So
the
the
the
used
causing
so
let
me
see
if
I
can
get
the
wording
right
on
what
I'm
trying
to
say
here.
So
the
the
need
for
that
distance
would
be
necessitated
by
the
installation
of
the
new
performance
venue
and
I
get
what
you're
saying
you're
going
to
have
a
new
residential
use
go
up
next
to
an
existing
outdoor
performance
menu.
C
But
the
essence
of
the
question,
though
chris,
is
that
if
dogwood
health
trust
in
the
city
builds
the
facility
50
feet
from
a
sound
stage,
would
you
be
best
to
discourage
them
from
putting
that
building
up?
Because
you
know
anybody
in
their
right
mind
knows
they're
going
to
basically
complain
once
they're
living
that
close
to
to
an
event
yeah.
J
Well
and
important
thing
is
you
use
the
word
discouraged
because
we
can
certainly
tell
them
and
say,
with
our
experience
with
working
with
noise
and
such
this
isn't
a
great
location
for
a
residential
residential
project,
or
you
may
need
to
think
about
doing
heavier
sound
inflation
in
your
project.
I
don't
think
we
would.
We
wouldn't
have
any
way
to
prohibit
it,
but
I
think
one
of
the
good
things
about
noise
being
in
the
development
services
now
is
that
we
kind
of
know
that
world
and
we
can
talk
about
that.
C
Okay
and
one
and
one
last
question:
if
you
have
a
venue
in
place
already,
are
you
going
to
limit
someone
coming
in
next
door
to
that
and
next
door
to
that
in
an
entertainment
district
to
use
corbin's
note
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
you
have
radiation
of
sound
from
potentially
multiple
outdoor
venues
accessory
or
primary.
C
J
We
don't
have
anything
like
that
built
in
now.
The
only
place
where
that
could
come
into
play
is
like
when
we
talk
about
downtown
and
the
special
use
permit,
because
that
does
go
through
city
council.
J
That
could
be
a
consideration
when
looking
at
that
as
an
area
of
proliferation
of
these
things,
or
something
like
that,
otherwise
it's
right
now
just
treated
like
any
other
use
and
zoning.
So
if
it's
allowed
in
that
district
and
it
can
meet
those
supplemental
standards,
it
would
be
allowed
to
go
in.
I'm
not
sure
if
we
wanted
to
I'm
not
sure
exactly
how
to
implement
kind
of
a
density
standard.
The
density
of
performance
when
you
entered
in
there
I'd
have
to
do
some
digging
and
see.
J
B
K
J
We
haven't
figured
out
the
best
way
to
go
about
it,
yet
we
already
kind
of
have
the
charge
to
do
something
from
the
noise
ordinance
and
what
we've
looked
for
for
guidance
so
far
is
other
folks
who
are
regulating
this,
which,
surprisingly,
in
north
carolina
there's
very
few
wilmington,
did
just
recently
introduced
some
standards
that
are
similar
to
what
we're
posing
now,
but
we've
also
taken
stuff
from
other
places
that
have
found
the
need
to
regulate
outdoor
performance
venues
such
as
austin,
texas
and
new
orleans
and
much
bigger
places,
but
still
urban,
sound
problems
and
those
kind
of
things.
J
So
I'd
like
to
try
and
hit
existing
platforms
to
let
people
know
and
get
them
in
rather
than
kind
of
doing
a
road
show
with
this
one,
because
it's
kind
of
a
smaller
tactical
zoning
amendment.
But
I
think
we
can
definitely
do
that.
We
have
places
where
we
can
get
onto
agendas
and
talk
to
people
about
it
and
get
some
feedback.
J
K
And
the
100
and
500
foot
draft
what
what
was
the
basis
of
picking
those
distances.
J
I'd
have
to
go,
I
can
go
back
and
look
and
get
you
about
a
full
answer,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
those
are
the
numbers
they
use
in
wilmington.
So
we
just
pulled
those
completely
right
now
from
there.
J
J
J
Maybe
can
they
can
look
into
that,
but
definitely
it
needs
more
definition,
and
I
think
that's
a
good
comment
and
I'll
take
that
to
heart,
as
we
try
to
find
a
better
definition
for
it.
K
And
then
just
one
final
recommendation-
and
maybe
maybe
I'm
just
too
paranoid
about
some
of
the
complaints
I've
heard
from
people,
but
the
pictures
imply
that
the
residential
district
is
only
one
direction
away
from
the
source
but
take,
for
example,
the
grove
park
inn
if
they
rock
up
a
band
for
weddings
night
after
night,
they're
literally
surrounded
on
three
sides
by
residential
districts.
K
You
know
it's
this
little
commercial
district
right
in
the
middle
of
residential
ones,
same
thing
with
the
amphitheater
up
in
mudford.
So
I
just
when
we're
trying
to
communicate
this
and
we're
thinking
about
ramifications.
You
should
just
you
got
to
think
of
whether
it's
going
to
really
look
this
way
and
and
whether
it's
going
to
be
practical
to
the
venue
owner
to
you
know
pointing
their
speakers
away
is
is
good
advice
but
sound
bounces,
and
it
goes
in
all
directions
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
K
J
Sure,
thanks
for
that
yeah,
this
is
a
very
this.
These
exhibits
are
live
in
a
two-dimensional
world,
so
yeah.
B
And
I'll
get
to
jeff
in
just
a
second,
and
I
just
want
to
add
you
know.
One
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
in
the
past,
with
creating
this
noise
advisory
board
is,
is
to
be
a
resource
for
the
city.
For
these
sort
of
things
I
mean,
because
we
know
we
do
have
a
wealth
of
knowledge
of
people
in
the
industry
of
of
sound
in
engineering,
and
so
we
can.
B
G
Yes,
well,
chris,
will
there
be
any
like
development
or
building
standards
in
consideration,
for
example,
the
building
the
apartments
near
a
performance
space?
You
know
triple
pane
windows
whatever
it
is.
That
needs
to
be
part
of
a
development
not
just
because
of
the
performance
space,
but
also
because
of
the
fact
it's
in
in
the
central
business
business
district.
Is
there
more
thought
on
that,
and
will
there
be
any
kind
of
standards
where
that's
concerned.
J
So
going
back
kind
of,
I
think
to
the
earlier
question
kind
of
was
in
the
same
realm
it's
and
it's
interesting
to
hear
like
thinking
about
those
buildings
that
the
non-outdoor
performance
menu
buildings
that
go
into
those
areas
where
they
already
are.
J
J
G
J
Yeah,
thank
you
whether
limiting
their
placement
or
adding
additional
standards.
That
say
you
need
to
do
sound
attenuation
in
your
construction
or
something
like
that.
They're
kind
of
those
are
kind
of
uncharted
territories
for
me
and
zoning,
so
I
kind
of
have
to
like
say,
hey
legal
department.
Can
we
do
this
stuff
right
before
we
even
go
too
far
down
that
path,
but
I'm
definitely
hearing
that
so
we'll
do
that.
We
will
check
into
that
and
see
see
what
it
looks
like.
J
B
I
Sure,
thank
you
jessica,
and
we
had
we
had
sent
this
out
with.
I
know
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
it.
Rick
had
asked
in
the
last
meeting
just
that
you
know
we
were
talking
through
how
we
did
this,
but
he
would
would
like
to
see
a
little
bit
just
so
you
know
there
was
something
more
in
a
policy
form,
so
we
sent
this
out
with
the
agenda.
I
It
is
our
internal
process,
the
the
purpose
of
it
was
to
really
try
and
try
and
maintain
consistency
and
fairness
in
how
we
respond
to
every
noise
complaint,
because
every
noise
complaint
is
unique.
Some
of
them
are,
you
know
some
of
them
can
be
addressed
easily.
Some
of
them
are
really
complex,
and
so
the
purpose
of
having
this
this
internal
document
was
so
that
we,
as
staff,
could
could
really
adhere
to
a
a
fairness
and
equity
and
consistency
so
that
all
parties
are
you
know,
kind
of
in
the
loop.
I
And
while
we
work
through
these
issues,
so
we
have
a
complainant
we're
going
to
contact
the
complainant,
we're
also
going
to
contact
the
noisemaker
so
that
you
know
everybody
is
aware
of.
What's
going
on,
and
it
really
just
goes
through,
and
I
don't
know
I
I
don't
think,
there's
any
need
for
me
to
go
through
it.
I'm
happy
to
fill
any
questions
you
would
have.
I
It
really
just
goes
through
how
we
look
at
a
complaint
whether
we
can
determine
this
is
something
that
is
within
our
jurisdiction
or
whether
it's
something
that
maybe,
if
it's
a
barking
dog
that
would
go
to
animal
services
or
it
would,
if
it's
you
know,
middle
of
middle
of
the
night
work
on
merriman
avenue.
I
That
would
be
a
dot
concern
that
would
be
exempt
under
our
current
ordinance,
but
we
still
like
to
act
on
behalf
of
the
complainant
in
that
regard
and
at
least
be
able
to
reach
out
to
dot
we're
not
just
going
to
go
to
the
complainant
and
say
this.
This
is
exempt
from
our
ordinance,
we'll
still
try
and
get
them
in
that
information
as
a
public
service
and
and
get
them
some
dates
as
to
when
you
know
a
project
might
be
finishing,
so
those
are
really
how
we
look
at
them.
I
Some
of
them
may
need
to
go
to
alcohol
law
enforcement
and
some
of
them
are
in
the
county.
So
those
are
the
kind
of
things
we
look
at
initially
when
we've,
when
we've
read
the
complaint,
we'll
double
check
the
address,
see
if
it's
in
our
jurisdiction
and
then
continue
the
process
from
there.
So
I
I
don't
really
feel
if
everybody's
had
an
opportunity
to
read
it,
I
don't
feel
the
need
to
go,
go
through
it
line
by
line,
but
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
have
or
or
comments
or
anything.
C
All
right,
this
is
charles,
a
question
for
you
and
this
leaks
a
little
bit
from
what
you
just
talked
about
into
what
I
guess
is
upcoming
about
the
csv
data
file,
because
I
took
the
the
data
file
and
I
did
some
perusing
and
manipulation
of
it
and
grouped
and
clustered
some
things.
So
one
of
the
things
that
struck
me
as
I
looked
at
it
in
the
context
of
your
flowchart
and
process
handling.
C
When
you
find
someone
and
engage
them,
it
would
be
helpful,
I
think,
to
know
you
know
what
was
recommended.
I
think
in
in
your
sample
letter.
It
talked
about
aiming
speakers
to
the
middle
of
the
the
venue
to
cut
down
on
the
radiant
noise
and
then,
in
addition
to
having
that
as
a
comment
or
whatever
whether
or
not
it
recurred
to
determine,
did
they
violate
a
second
time,
because
I
think
what
that
tells
me
is:
where
do
we
have
chronic
violations?
C
I
I
think,
charlie,
I
think
that's
a
great
comment
and
I
think
honestly,
in
a
lot
of
what
you're
saying
is
actually
in
our
notes
and
those
we
are
a
little.
You
know
we're
a
little
more
protective
of
because
there's
some
there's
some
things
in
there
that
that
you
know
are
pertinent
to
the
investigation,
but
also
just
you
know,
just
conversational
things,
but
but
those
things
are
certainly
captured,
like
in
the
in
the
case
that
we
sent
you
there
wasn't
a
violation.
I
In
that
case,
we
still
made
a
best
practice
recommendation
with
that
venue
operator
to
cut
down
on
the
noise,
but
actually
the
and
and
that's
an
acknowledgement
that,
although
that
they
were
that,
although
they
were
completely
in
compliance
with
the
db
levels
for
the
zoning
district,
we're
still
trying
to
mitigate
a
little
bit
with
them,
and
I
think
that's
what.
I
I
C
Yeah-
and
I
think
what
kind
of
triggered
me
in
that
thought
process
granier
is
that
when
I
looked
at
grouping
together
the
complaints
and
not
to
pick
on
salvage
station,
but
I
noticed
that
70
of
the
closure
codes
on
them
were
education,
so
my
question
was
well
how
much
education
do
you
have
to
educate
those
people
over
before
they
stop
and
that's
why,
having
a
little
bit
more
of,
what
did
you
recommend
to
them?
Did
they
do
it
and
if
they
didn't
do
it,
why
are
we
having
to
go
back
and
and
re-educate
and
re-educate?
C
I
Do
it
yes
or
no?
No,
so
in
that
case
they
they
were
actually
in
compliance
on
the
evenings
that
we
were
on
site
and
there
was
no
violation
and
that's
where
the
education
went
back,
but
all
those
complainants
were
emailed
collectively,
charlie
and
when
we
took
those
readings
and
at
that
on
the
evenings
that
those
readings
were
taken,
there
was
no
violation.
C
I
No,
I
know
we
were
not
on
site
every
one
of
those
times
so
so
again,.
B
B
What
what
information
are
we
going
to
ask
as
a
board
from
from
from
the
dsd
department
right?
So
that's
part
of
what
we're
going
to
get
in
for
a
discussion,
because
I
completely
understand-
and
I
agree
with
you-
that's
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
understand
because
doing
my
own
research
of
this.
I
cross-referenced
a
number
of
those
days,
and
there
was
a
number
of
them
where
those
complaints
came
in
where
they
didn't
even
have
a
show,
and
so
I
wanted
to
know
the
same
things
like.
How
is
this
going
forward?
C
B
B
Corbin,
no
all
right,
maybe
we'll
come
back
to
him
in
just
a
minute.
Anyone
else.
Any
other
questions.
Right
now
before
granny
moves
on.
B
D
Sorry
about
that,
I
couldn't
get
my
phone
to
work
with
me.
No,
you
know,
in
reference
to
to
an
example
of
the
salvage
station.
I
kind
of
wouldn't
mind
giving
my
my
viewpoint
from
so
charlie
can
maybe
get
a
better
understanding.
D
I
think
I
kind
of
see
where
he's
coming
from
so
like
with
me,
for
instance,
with
my
venue,
I've
gotten
multiple
complaints
in
the
past
and
the
things
that
I've
done,
which
are
are
obviously
in
the
notes,
but
maybe
not
public
knowledge
is
that,
like
noise,
canceling
curtains,
sound
preventing
foam
insulation
over
the
windows,
restructuring
of
my
stage
and
sound
system
completely.
I
also
closed
up
my
patio,
sealed
it
up
to
with
foliage
to
help
prevent
things
like
this.
D
So
there's
a
lot
of
steps
that
I've
taken
and
I'm
I'm
well
under
the
decibel
level,
but
I'm
still
going
to
get
complaints
just
like
the
salvage
station
is
still
going
to
get
complaints.
I
mean
I
myself
have
gotten
complaints
on
days
that
I've
been
closed.
So
I
don't
know
if
I
think,
if
we
all
you
know
the
the
board
has
a
file
on
or
not
the
board,
but
you
know
ben
and
everybody
has
a
file
for
everybody
and
that
particular
information
is
in
there.
D
But
that's
a
lot
of
information
they
put
out
to
the
public
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
necessary,
so
that's
just
kind
of
my
two
cents
on
it
I
mean
as
long
as
you
guys
were
out
there
and
you.
You
did
your
readings
and
I
just
don't
think
everything
needs
to
be
in
the
in
the
out
of
respect
for
other
business
owners
and
such
maybe
everything
doesn't
need
to
be
in
the
in
the
file
or
for
public
knowledge.
Rather
sorry,.
B
Completely
heard
corbin
and-
and
that's
again
we'll
get
more
into
that
discussion
of
of
that-
and
you
know
finding
what's
the
right
amount
of
us
as
a
board
relying
on
on
daniel
and
grenier,
to
give
to
us
that
in
bringing
things
to
our
attention
when
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
brought
to
our
attention
versus
putting
all
of
this
information
out
there.
And
of
course
there
are
other
concerns
too,
with
with
them
doing
this,
we'll
definitely
we're
basically
going
to
try
and
help
hopefully
open
that
discussion
to
find
that
balance.
Today,
rick.
K
Thanks
so
I
went
through
sort
of
the
flow
chart
and
I
wrote
down
questions
as
I
was
thinking
through
these
things,
so
I
apologize
in
advance
if
my
questions
are
hard
to
track.
If
we
need
to
go,
if
you
need
me
to
trace
it
back
to
a
particular
thing
just
say
so,
and
I'll
do
that
for
the
next
session.
K
So
the
first
thing
I
noted,
I
I'm
still
just
really
worried
that
apd
forwarded
complaints
that
they
just
end
up
closed
and
we
don't
end
up
knowing
why
or
how.
K
There's
a
bunch
of
decision
points
in
the
flowchart
that
could
have
some
definition
behind
them.
So,
for
example,
there's
a
there's
a
decision
point
that
says
is
a
possible
violation
present.
K
It's
it's
vague,
so
it
would
be
good
to
describe
that
in
more
detail
and-
and
I
don't
think
it's
rock
solid-
I
think,
as
you
learn
it's
going
to
change,
so
I
think
it
just
would.
It
would
be
good
if
that,
if
that
was
defined
a
little
bit
better,
it
kind
of
comes
back
to
something
that
charlie
said.
K
It's
not,
I
think
what
you're
saying
is
if
you
ever
get
another
complaint
that
seems
to
be
aimed
at
that
noisemaker,
then
that
might
drive
action,
not
that
there's
any
other
proactive
action.
You
guys
are
doing
like
going
back
to
that
vicinity
again
and
trying
to
determine
determine
what
the
noise
source
is.
H
Well,
well,
rick,
let
me
tell
you
a
few
things
of
what
you've
asked.
First,
the
the
flow
chart
we
actually
we
edited
this
flowchart
by
like
20
times,
because
it
was
almost
like
we
needed
a
flowchart
for
the
flowchart
for
the
next
flowchart,
because
there
was
there
was
so
much
detail
to
the
point
that
it
took
a
team
of
us
to
actually
reduce
it
to
minimal
amount
of
words,
because
it's
a
flow
chart,
so
we're
not
trying
to
be
so
specific
that
you're
going
to
drown
somebody
with
a
four
page
flow
chart.
H
So
this
was
thank
you
haley
for
haley
and
I
believe
chris
as
well
helped
for
trying
to
reduce
all
this
to
actually
an
eight
by
ten
page,
which
was
very
difficult
to
do
so.
For
example,
this
is
the
most
recent
thing
off
the
top
of
my
head.
What
you
mentioned
about
monitoring
for
future
I'll,
give
you
an
example.
We
had
a
an
industrial
location
where
we
received
complaints
that
this
industrial
place
was
making
too
much
noise
or
their
fans
or
whatever
what
the
case
was,
we
actually
did
go
out.
H
We
actually
closed
it.
We
took
our
readings
during
the
times
that
they
said
it
was
late
night
cold,
whatever
the
situation
we
closed
it
out,
but
when
we're
putting
in
monitor
for
future
situations,
just
so
happens
that
since
we
ride
around
town
all
day
and
night,
even
on
the
weekend,
we
were
out
saturday
night.
I
could
actually
be
going
home
and
on
the
way
home,
I'm
actually
texting.
H
Granny
said
hey,
I'm
by
abc
industrial,
I'm
actually
just
going
to
swing
by
there
to
see
if
something's
going
on,
because
it
might
be
in
that
rare
location
when
the
complainant
says
oh,
it
happens
all
the
time
every
day
and
then
my
first
question
to
that
complaint
is
so
you
mean
if
I
get
in
my
car
right
now.
It's
happening
right
now.
Well,
not
right
now
I'll
say!
Well,
then
it's
not
all
the
time
every
day.
So
a
lot
of
times,
we've
already
closed
the
case,
because
we've
gone
out,
we've
spoken
to
the
complainant.
H
We've
either
made
contact
with
the
alleged
noisemaker
we've
taken.
Our
readings
we've
closed
it
out,
we've
been
there
10
times,
but
it
just
so
happens
that
we're
going
to
keep
monitoring
because
I'm
on
my
way
home,
you
know
what
it
is
just
two
minutes
away.
I'm
literally
texting
rania.
I
said
I'm
near
abc
industrial,
I'm
just
gonna
swing
by
really
quick
and
those
notes
will
add
hey.
I
was
even
though
we
closed
this
out.
I
stopped
by
there
tuesday,
night
february
whatever,
and
there
was
no
noise
seen
or
hurt
or
activity
from
the
location.
H
So
in
that
sense,
that's
what
we
mean
by
monitoring,
not
like
saying
hey.
This
bar
is
really
loud.
Okay,
don't
worry
we're
just
going
to
monitor
it?
It's
not
that
way,
yeah.
So
if
we
do
need
to
clarify
that
on
the
flow
chart
where
it
says
monitoring,
we
can
do
that.
But
just
so
you
know,
we've
been
trying
to
condense
the
words
as
much
as
possible,
so
it's
actually
a
legible
flow
chart
and
not
a
four
page
which
is
kind
of
what
we
started.
I
G
I
What
you're
saying
rick
and-
and
you
know
to
that
to
that
point
exactly
what
daniel
said
that
you
know
you
might
just
stop
by
and
just
take
a
reading.
There
is
also
a
really
fine
balance
when
we
find
something's,
not
someone
when
something
is
in
compliance
and
we
will
still
receive
to
get
you
know,
we
will
still
have
a
complaint
and
saying
well,
it's
still
really
loud.
You
need
to
come
out.
Maybe
tonight
it's
not
it
it's!
It's
really!
I
That's
a
really
hard
balance
to
strike
to
be
able
to
get
out
and
do
that
on
a
routine
basis,
and
given
that
that
could
be
something
that
could
go
on
for
the
next
six
months
that
there's
gonna,
be
you
know,
activity
at
that
property.
Five
nights
a
week,
it's
very
hard
for
us
to
be
able
to
get
out
there
for
nights
of
those
week.
We
might
be
able
to
go
one
night
a
week,
but
I
think
that
I
agree
with
you
that
monitoring
is
really
important.
I
K
So
let
me
let
me
clarify
one
thing,
because
I
know
I
just
didn't
say
it
when
I
had
a
question
in
the
flow
chart,
because
it
was
a
great
introductory
document,
don't
make
it
bigger.
I
K
And
I'm
also
trying
to
be
realistic
about
the
learning
curve
we're
all
in
and
that
you
don't
want
to
rewrite
a
policy
every
single
day
that
you
learn
something
new.
H
One
of
the
things
we
did
discuss
is
the
reason
everyone
got
this
ahead
of
time
and
it's
you
know
it
was
short
short
time,
but
we
have
time
to
work
on.
It
is
to
really
look
at
it
and
trying
to
follow
the
the
way
we
handle
something.
So
if
something
is
not
clear,
something
does
sound
right.
That
gives
us
that
opportunity
to
edit
it
and
say:
okay,
we
take
it.
H
We
assume
you'll
understand
it,
because
we
do
this
every
day,
but
that's
about
assumption,
knowing
that
you
would
understand
it
because
there's
something
that
could
be
unclear
that
we
can
easily
either
put
in
a
little
more
detail
or
just
explain
it
a
little
more.
So
if
everybody
on
the
board
is
clear
with
what
we're
doing
in
these
policies,
then
we
can
move
forward
versus
assuming
that
you
know,
and
that's.
H
I
I
Right
and
thank
you
for
for
bringing
that
up,
because
I
guess
in
in
a
lot
of
ways
it
could
be
both
right.
We
would
proactive
is
a
big
thing
for
us.
We
try
and
get
out
ahead
of
things
just
because
we
have
other
limitations
and,
but
obviously,
if
we're
doing
proactive,
we
would
also
do
reactive
if
somebody
complains
so.
I
Pop
in
a
couple
of
sentences,
that
brings
that
a
little
bit
clearer
into
focus
and-
and
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up
because,
like
daniel
said,
we
do
this
every
day,
so
we're
making
you
know
we're
maybe
making
assumptions
that
other
people
might
not,
because
we're
not
they're,
not
in
it
every
day.
So
we
can
certainly
pop
in
a
couple
of
sentences
to
say
that
that
monitoring
can
be
either
proactive
or
reactive,
based
on
the
receipt
of
an
additional
complaint.
Does
that
is
that
okay,
yeah
okay.
H
Thank
you
and
then
to
also
answer
the
the
apd
comment,
the
question
that
came
in
regarding
why
those
calls
are
closed
out.
There
are
situations
where
we
we
embrace
and
we're
super
happy
that,
even
though
apd
doesn't
normally
respond
to
noise
complaints
when
they
do
receive
them,
there
are
calls
that
are
completely
they
have
if
it
has
an
apd
closure
code.
That
means
we
did
nothing
for
that.
Apd
responded.
They
were
talking.
Some
of
these
things
are
underage
drinking
fights
in
parking
lots.
There's
there
was
noise
that
was
produced
by
some
sort
of
activity.
H
Sometimes
they
call
in
say
they're
selling
drugs
and
they
have
guns.
These
are
things
that
are
so
out
of
the
scope
of
what
we
do.
So
if
it
has
an
apd
closure
code
on
it,
it's
because
apd
did
handle
that
another
situation
would
be.
We
don't
have
a
name.
We
don't
have
a
phone
number,
but
somehow
apd
responded
and
they
couldn't
find
the
noisemaker
who
was
they
called?
They
couldn't
find
the
suspect,
so
we're
kind
of
we're
we're
stuck.
We
don't
have
a
name
a
lot
of
times.
H
We
have
a
block
like
in
the
1500
block
of
main
street,
so
we
have
such
limited
information.
We
can't
follow
up
with
that.
So
we
do
give
that
credit
where
it's
due
and
give
it
to
apd,
but
the
most
important
part
is
in
situations
where
I
think
it
was
last
month
while
we're
in
the
meeting
that
same
day
or
the
night
before
somebody
actually
called
in
a
noise
complaint,
because
there
was
a
party,
but
it
turned
out
into
a
shootout
yeah.
H
I
H
That
person
we're
saying
hey,
we
know
apd
showed
up.
You
know
there
was
a
lot
of.
Maybe
there
was
a
fight
or
a
brawl.
You
did
the
right
thing.
Has
this
happened
before?
Where
do
you
live?
Sometimes
these
are
apartment
complexes
that
we
might
not
have
ever
called,
and
then
we
started
that
right
back
to
where
we
were
in
the
beginning.
Have
you
talked
to
your
property
manager?
You
talked
to
the
property
manager.
Has
there
ever
been
issues
with
that
apartment
because
we're
seeing
it
came
in
through
apd?
So,
even
though
they
closed
it?
H
That
doesn't
mean
we
have
to,
but
there
are
situations
where
we
do
have
to
close
a
pdf.
We
don't
take
credit
for
what
the
work
they've
done
and
or
the
situation.
That's
just
dangerous
that
it's
not
for
us
to
be
in
there.
We
have
one
example
of
a
residential
place
where
we
actually
got
in
touch.
We
had
a
meeting
with
apd,
because
this
place
kept
coming
up
chronically
up.
H
Apd
specifically
told
us,
do
not
go
knock
on
that
door,
you
will
get
shot
and
we
were
like.
Oh
okay,
they're
handling
it.
Noise
is
a
byproduct
of
other
things
that
are
going
on
in
that
place
and
the
last
place
you
know
the
last
place
we
need
to
go
is
like
hi,
I'm
with
the
city
lower
lower
the
saw
in
your
the
saw
noise
in
your
garage.
It
goes
beyond
saw
noise
yeah,
the
pd
specifically
told
us,
do
not
go
knocking
on
that
door.
You
will
be
shot
yeah,
so.
K
This
could
go
on
for
quite
some
time
if
you
think
we're
gonna
get
in
trouble
with
the
rest
of
our
agenda.
Just
just
stop
me:
okay,
because
I'm
I've
only
got
to
like
four
of
14
questions
that
I
wrote
down
and-
and
we
can-
we
can
carry
this
forward
as
in
complete
business
into
the
next
time.
So
on
the
on
the
apd
thing,
maybe
I'm
just
not
looking
in
the
right
place.
K
K
Are
we
getting
enough
data
from
apd
so
that
when
we
are
no
longer
paying
attention
to
a
complaint,
we
have
a
reasonable
understanding
of
how
that
complaint
was
closed,
so
that
we
have
confidence
that
we
can
judge
how
the
ordinance
is
working
and
and
whether
the
complaint
complainant
is
satisfied
and
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff
that
that's
the
way
that
it
looks
in
the
policy
is
for
very
good
reasons.
It's
too
dangerous
of
a
situation
or
there's
some
history.
There
you
guys
shouldn't
go
right.
K
Apd
is
our
enforcement
agency
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
from
this
board
at
that
time,
and
we
have
to
hold
them
accountable
somehow
to
provide
information.
So
we
know
whether
the
ordinance
is
working
or
not
that
that's
the
only
thing
there.
So
I
I
think
what
would
be
best
given
that
it's
almost
2
30
is.
Let
me
just
table
the
rest
of
these
questions.
Maybe
a
bunch
of
them
will
get
answered
in
the
data
section.
A
B
B
So
I
just
I
I
put
out-
I
just
put
that
out
there
as
food
for
thought
as
we
have
that
discussion
of
of
what
do.
We
think
we
need,
as
a
board
information
wise
looking
at
that
csv
file.
That's
going
to
help
us
to
be
most
effective
to
make
sure
that
this
ordinance
is
working.
B
So
yeah
I
mean
just
looking
just
you
know,
as
I've
been
looking
at
this
at
all
of
these
different
ways
of
just
going.
What
do
we
really
need
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we're
making
sure
that
this
is
enforced
and
because,
as
a
board,
I
don't
feel
like
we
need
that
information
of
what
happened
to
me
last
week
staying
downtown
because
that
happened.
You
know
I
asked
my
friend
I
was
like.
B
Does
this
happen
all
the
time
and
he's
like
no,
not
all
the
time
but
from
time
to
time
it
happens,
but
it
usually,
you
know
it
gets
resolved
as
part
of
living
downtown
and
I
think
that's
the
difference
between
something.
That's
repetitive,
that's
keeping
you
know
me
up
every
night
so
and
then
there's
of
course
everywhere
in
between
right.
So
it's
just
like
where
what's
the
information
that
we
need
and
looking
at
the
information
that
has
been
presented
to
us,
for
instance,
for
today
you
know
we
can
look
at.
B
I
mean
that's
my
question
to
everybody
who's
like
do
we?
What
do
we
need
that's
already
on
here,
because
I
feel
like
knowing
what
what
information
having
to
go
back
and
continually
looking
at
the
close
code
and
where
things
are
right
is
like
well,
which
of
these
are?
Is
there
a
way
to
know
which
one
of
these
are
habitual,
because
you
do
see
some
of
the
same
information,
but
also
on
the
flip
side
being
respectful
of
people's
personal?
You
know
information
or
business
information.
It's
just
like
if
it's
been
taken
care
of.
B
Is
it
information
that
you
know
we're
told
internally
as
a
board
and
isn't
necessarily
also
you
know
shared
to
the
public.
So
I
don't
know,
that's
that's
it's.
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
another
one
of
those
things
that
we're
going
to
continually
look
at
and
as
we
get
information
go
okay,
we
actually
don't
need
all
of
this
or
you
know
what
we're
not
getting
is.
B
This
is
what
we
need,
so
I
think,
for
instance,
one
of
the
things
is
knowing,
if
there's
a
way
for
us
to
know
when
people
are
there's
habitual
offenders,
that
we
have
a
way
of
knowing
how
that's
tracked
and
that's
whether
it's
highlighted
or
different
color
for
something
of
that
sort
again,
haley
not
trying
to
make
any
more
work
for
anybody,
because
I
already
know
that
this
is
a
bunch
of
work.
C
That
would
be
wonderful.
You
know
if
anybody
wanted
to
go,
do
that
kind
of
research.
But
for
me
I
look
at
these
statistics
beyond
the
face
of
them
and
say:
where
do
I
see
the
top
five
chronic
offenders,
and
why
does
it
keep
happening
over
and
over
and
over
again
that
that
would
be
where
I
would
want
to
spend
my
time.
B
Whether
or
no
what
what
the
closing
code
was
or
complaint
receipt
confirmed,
how
does
the
board
feel
in
terms
of
does
this
seem
like
the
information
that
we
need
right
now
to
continue
like
charlie,
said,
to
keep
seeing
these
trends
or
is
there
something
else
that
we
need?
That's
not
in
this
document.
B
F
I
want
to
I
want
to
charlie,
I
want
to
say
something
before
I
lose
it,
so
this
csv
that
we
sent
it
has
the
top
15
complete
top
15
complaint
locations.
F
It's
it's
literally
on
that
spreadsheet,
so
right
to
the
right
of
the
column,
so
we've
already
identified
the
areas,
the
specific
locations
that
that
are
the
hot
spots,
so
to
speak
so
that
that's
on
this
table.
The
one
caveat
I
would
give
this
is
really
important.
F
That's
the
top
15
places
that
we
get
complaints
on.
It
doesn't
mean
they're
violating
the
noise
ordinance.
So
just
remember
that
this
data
is
complaint
data,
so
it
doesn't
necessarily
correlate
to
a
noise
ordinance
issue.
Now,
sometimes
it
will,
but
sometimes
it
doesn't
the
other
piece
that
I
wanted
that
I
think
charlie
would
also
kind
of
help
with
what
you're
asking.
Maybe
this
is
a
better
way
to
do
this?
C
Right
and
I
think
you're
headed
exactly
where
I
was
ben
but
I'll
give
you
a
for
instance.
I
would
want
to
dig
one
level
deeper
and
say:
okay
trash
collection.
C
C
B
G
B
Agreed
any
any
other
questions
I
mean,
I
feel
like
this
information
that
we're
getting
is,
and
especially
with
when
you
scroll
all
the
way
over,
and
you
see
the
complaint
type
thanks
ben
for
that
missed
that
part.
B
When
I
was
planning
for
this,
I
think
that
this
is
really
good
information
so
far,
I
think
that
it
again
like
I
said
this
may
change
as
we
as
we
go
on
as
we
start
seeing
these
trends
and
if
we
decide
that
we
may
need
some
information,
but
right
now,
this
feels
pretty
good
to
me
personally.
B
What
about
everybody
else?
Is
there
anything
that
we
feel
is
missing
from
this
information
right
now.
B
F
So
we
know
there's
32
trash
complaints
right,
but
we
don't
know
where
they
are.
It
could
all
be
the
same
apartment,
complex
32
times
and
every
one
of
those
could
have
been.
So
I
do
wonder
if
having
like
a
gis
mapping
function,
so
we
got
to
be
careful
with
personal,
identifying
information,
we're
not
trying
to
give
people's
phone
numbers
and
email
addresses
over.
F
You
know
the
city
website
that
are
complaining
because
they
have
a
right
to
privacy
when
they
file
a
complaint,
but
I
wonder
if
charlie,
if
the
gis
was
set
up
in
a
way
where
you
could
maybe
select
trash
complaints
right,
you
could
choose
that
layer
and
then
that
would
display
it
for
you
spatially.
So
you
then
you
can
see.
Is
there?
You
know
these
32
separate
and
just
random
trash
complaints
or
30
of
these
at
the
same
place?
F
C
Yeah,
I
think
it's
a
good
idea,
because
what
it
would
help
is
is
either
to
discount
or
include
what
you
want
to
look
at
and
then
you
know
you
go
a
little
bit
deeper.
If
you
find
something,
that's
a
bothersome
trend
and
say
well,
I
would
like
to
know
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
this
shorter
list.
So
yeah
the
mapping
location
is
going
to
be
critical
and
then
and
then
the
type
I
think
is
a
good
place
to
start.
F
In
full
caveat
we're
still
trying
to
figure
that
out
because
there's
some
complaints
that
come
in,
for
example,
that
don't
have
an
address,
so
there's
nowhere
to
map
that
complaint.
So
we
just
got
some
tech
issues
are
working
through,
but
I
do
think
that'll
help
to
have
to
be
able
to
see
the
data
that
way,
because
it's
a
lot
everything
he
wants
here
is
just
really
difficult
to
sort
through
it.
Unless
you're
like
a
master
at
a
spreadsheet,
which
I
am
not
so.
B
If
it's
something
that
is
indeed
an
issue
because
we're
all
we're
seeing
is
those
numbers
of
complaints
being
made
which
is
interesting.
When
you
look
at
this
and
you
see
public
space
or
you
see
this
one
apartment
complex,
and
that
seems
you
know,
maybe
extraordinarily
high
for
one
place
until
you
look
at
and
see
how
big
that
place
is
versus.
B
You
know
where
that
cluster
is
for
one
of
the
other
residential
neighborhoods,
so
yeah,
and
then
that's
where
we
can
sort
of
get
into
the
nitty-gritty
and
more
information
that
we
need,
because
just
again,
just
just
to
reiterate
just
because
there's
a
complaint
doesn't
mean,
there's
necessarily
an
issue
there.
That
could
be
two
people
that
have
problems
with
each
other.
B
Just
calling
the
the
you
know
calling
complaints
in
on
each
other,
and
so
we
as
a
board
have
no
idea
if
we
would
know
that
and
then
you
know
being
able
to
to
rely
on
you
all
to
say.
Yes,
there
is
a
there's
a
feud
going
on.
You
know
it's
you
know,
that's
all
you
need
to
know
we're
taking
care
of
it.
It's
being
addressed.
I
And
you're
exactly
right,
those
those
do
pop
up
jessica,
where
the
the
statistic
does
not
tell
the
story,
and
you
know
that's
why
our
notes
are
very
detailed
and
they
do
give
a
lot
of
information,
but
those
also
they're,
you
know,
there's
a
little
bit
of
you
know.
Maybe
too
much
information
in
some
of
the
notes
that
we
keep
yeah
yeah.
B
K
K
D
D
Realized
so
to
speak
like,
for
instance,
the
police
were
here
on
haywood
road,
the
other
day
it
was
pretty
quiet
on
haywood
road,
but
some
guys
had
come
through
with
a
four-wheeler
or
something
riding
up
and
down
the
street,
and
it
only
lasted
for
about
10
minutes,
but
it
was
late
and
the
police
came
and
they
were
all
over
the
place
looking
for
it,
but
they
didn't
know
who
called
and
they
didn't
know
exactly
where
abouts
it
was,
and
they
didn't
get
there
till
20
minutes
later.
D
So
I
don't
know
how
much
more
information
they
could
give
us,
because
they
really
didn't
even
know,
and
I
didn't
even
figure
out
what
the
noise
was
until
you
know
a
day
later,
when
I
saw
somebody
who
saw
them
so
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
error
and
dismissal.
I
just
think
that
you
know
we
can't
forget
about
that
as
well,
so
we
got
a
lot
to
handle
and
the
police
might
be
coming
from
a
domestic
dispute.
D
That's
crazy
and
they
come
over
to
look
for
a
noise
and
they
really
just
don't
care
to
put
in
any
extra
notes.
I
mean
that
that
might
just
be
the
case.
I
only
say
that,
because
I've
talked
to
cops
who
just
I
just
turn
it
down
and
they
walk
off,
you
know
they
don't
care
they
just
so
I
just
I
just
for
the
benefit
of
the
other
person
and
also
for
our
own
sanity.
D
B
Heard
and
I
and
I
think,
you're
right,
I
think
we're
going
to
continue
to
have
to
just
figure
that
out
and
what
that
information
looks
like
and
see
again
if
some
trends
come
up
from,
like
you
know,
just
stating
my
own
experience
from
last
week
of
just
hopefully,
if
there's
something
that
is
a
reoccurring
issue
and
problem
with
the
way
apd
is
handling
some
of
these
calls,
hopefully,
those
folks
that
are
experiencing
that
will
reach
out,
in
some
other
form
or
fashion,
whether
it's
through
you
know
attending
one
of
these
meetings
and
watching
and
commenting
or
reaching
you
know,
reaching
out
to
to
dsd
and
and
making
their
complaints
known
in
other
ways.
B
B
You
know
it's.
It's
like
every
other
part
of
this
is
going
to
continue
to
be
a
learning,
experience,
try
and
get
the
right
information
and
what
we
need
to
be
the
most
efficient,
but
we're
not
going
to
we're
not
going
to
hit
it
all.
You
know-
and
I
think
that's
just
being
fair
to
ourselves
as
being
a
new
board
doing
the
best
we
can
to
figure
this
out,
and
some
things
are
unfortunately
going
to
fall
through
the
cracks.
We'll
just
do
our
best
to
make
sure
that
it's
the
least
amount
possible
right.
B
So
if
there's
no
other
questions
or
comments
in
terms
of
the
information,
let's
move
on
to
decibel
levels
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
rick.
So
hopefully
we
can
hit
our
mark
on
that
and
then
get
to
public
comment.
K
Yeah,
so
when
jessica
and
I
were
going
through
the
mission
statement-
there's
the
thing
about
reduction
of
noise-
and
I
was
thinking
about
that-
and
I
was
thinking
that
a
lot
of
debate
was
had
during
the
construction
of
the
noise
ordinance
about
decibel
levels,
but
when
it
is
the
kind
of
complaint
where
a
decibel
reading
is
the
determinator
we're
not
getting
that
data,
and
I
think
we
need
it.
K
K
It's
it
seems
like
we
need
to
be,
including
the
measurements
that
we
take
to
see
if,
on
one
side
of
the
coin,
that
residents
are
complaining
about
things
that
are
not
complaints
from
an
ordinance
perspective,
that's
still
a
problem.
I
believe
that
the
board
has
to
handle
right
either
we're
inadequately
educating
the
public
about
what
the
standards
are
or
the
public
is
dissatisfied
with
the
noise
levels
that
the
ordinance
permits.
K
So
without
decibel
readings
when
they're
taken
associated
with
the
complaint,
I
don't
think
we
can
do
our
job
so
that
that
was
my
reason
for
putting
this
in
here.
I
know
that
you
know,
like
all
the
apd
ones,
for
example,
they
won't
be
taking
decibel
readings,
so
it'll
only
be
the
commercial
or
residential
or
industrial,
the
residential
ones.
K
C
Rick,
I
think
one
thing
that
I
believe
your
point
that
you
just
made
kind
of
zeros
in
on
is
that
even
if
someone
goes,
let's
say,
dsd
check
something
out,
as
they
did
I'll
use
their
noise
proactive
complaint
and
they
measure
to
61
decibels,
which
is
currently
in
compliance.
C
So
I
echo
what
you
were
articulating
is
that
yeah?
We
need
to
know
or
understand
better
just
because
the
limits
were
set
where
they
were
set.
Are
they
the
right
limits,
depending
on
you
know
these
maps
that
we'll
talk
about
and
where
they
are
and
how
clustered
the
population
is
residentially
around.
You
know
various.
You
know
noise
sources,
so
I
agree
with
you.
I
So
and
that's
fine,
I'm
we're
happy
to
to
share
decibels
with.
Let
me
take
this
off,
so
do
you
want?
How
do
you
do
you
want
that
in
a
similar
format,
as
as
the
the
the
other
data
that
you
have,
I
don't
know
if
we
can
go
in
and
actually
put
decimal
levels
on
the
ones
that
apply,
but
we
can
certainly
give
you
all
our
gospel
levels.
K
Thanks
for
asking
grinya
I
I
had,
I
had
not
considered
what
format
the
only
other.
Only
only
thing
I
thought
was
yeah
time
is
really
important
because
because
I
I
think
we
all
know
we
have
a
challenge
with.
K
C
I
Okay,
we'll
have
to
have
a
look
at
it.
I
I
know
there
are
two
separate
documents
right
now.
I
don't
know-
and
I,
if
there's
a
way
for
us
to
be
able
to
cross-reference
that-
and
I
would
say-
also
rick-
that
you
know
when
if
we
know
that
there's
something
routinely
happening
at
two
o'clock
in
the
morning
daniel
and
I
will
make
we
will-
we
will
schedule
ourselves
to
be
able
to
be
out
there.
I
It
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
the
the
venue
owner
to
say
you
know
this
is
a
complaint,
we're
trying
to
follow
up
on
we're,
trying
to
work
with
you
and
we're
bringing
the
good
faith
into
that.
But
if
we,
if
we
can
tell
rick
that
something's
happening
at
2
15
every
every
every
monday
morning,
we
will
absolutely
schedule
time
to
do
that,
because
I
agree
with
you:
it's
really.
It's
really
important
to
capture
the
complaint,
not
not
a
a
proxy
of
the
complaint
or
an
approximate
of
it,
and
so
we
can
certainly
do
that.
I
We'll
have
to
I'll
have
to
see
with
with
the
the
the
data
whether
we
can
cross-reference
them
for
you
or
not.
I
mean
we
can
to
some
extent,
but
but
there's
a
lot,
there's
a
lot
in
the
the
decibel
log,
I'm
happy
for
you
to
have
all
of
it
for.
I
I
F
Yeah,
maybe
just
not
to
belabor
us
rick
I
mean
that
is.
This
is
a
good
question
and
I
do
think
this
board.
I
think
that's
really
important
that
this
board
sees
decimal
levels
to
know
if
they're
set
correctly,
because
y'all
remember
there
was
a
lot
of
debate
over
what
shooters
shouldn't
be
the
decimal
level.
F
So
I
think
that's
really
valid,
I'm
withdrawing
I
don't
they
may
have
to
be
separate
spreadsheets
and
we'll
have
to
do
our
best
too
yeah
say
like
on
a
saturday
night
since
y'all
brought
it
up
earlier,
say:
salvage
stations
got
a
concert.
We
get
10
complaints.
F
You
know
we're
probably
not
going
to
measure
that
conference
that
concert
that
saturday
night
we're
probably
not
going
to
have
a
decimal
reading.
We
may,
but
we
probably
won't,
but
the
thing
about
like
commercial
noise
of
things
subject
to
the
decibel,
it's
really
predictable.
It
really
is.
I
know
every
night
that
salvage
station
has
a
concert.
I
know
every
night
that
rabbit
rabbit
does,
and
so
it's
actually
what
we
can
do
is
we
look
at
the
schedule
for
those
venues
and
we'll
just
find
a
night.
F
They
have
a
big
band
there
and
go
out,
for
example,
or
if
it's
industrial,
we
know
when
they
run
the
refrigeration
units
or
whatever.
So
I
will
say
like
we,
don't
always
catch
commercial
noise
in
the
moment,
but
it's
a
pretty
predictable,
like
noise
complaint
to
address,
and
we
can
probably
get
that
information
to
you
so
I'll.
I
may
not
be
at
salvage
station
tonight.
The
complaint
comes
in
they've,
probably
got
three
more
concerts
scheduled
that
week
and
we'll
catch
one
of
those.
F
I
Yeah,
I
would
also
add,
and
to
all
the
board
members
that
I
hope
you
will
trust
in
staff
bringing
that
that
to
you
also,
because
I
think,
we've
been
really
limited
with
commercial
decimal
levels,
since
the
ordinance
went
into
place
just
been
the
time
of
year
that
it
happened.
I
I
think
we'll
have
a
lot
more
data
on
that
by
the
end
of
the
summer,
but
I
also
think
that
just
us
being
in
the
field,
is
going
to
be
a
resource
to
the
board
to
say
you
know
what
x
is
just
too
loud
for
that
zoning
district
or
you
know
it.
It's
going
to
be
a
combination
of
what
you
see,
but
but
also
by
by
how
we're
responding
to
the
number
of
complaints
and
what
what
numbers.
I
It's
not
oh,
it's
not
a
flat
ordinance,
there's
so
many
difference
like
we
just
charlie's
talking
about
trash,
we're
talking
about
music,
talking
about
residential
neighbors,
we're
talking
about
and
so
many
different
disciplines
within
that
that
they're
they're
they're.
I
think,
as
staff
we
will
say
you
know,
we
think
these
components
of
the
ordinance
are
really
effective.
I
They're
really
easy
for
us
to
enforce
are
not
easy
for
us
to,
of
course,
but
definite
for
us
to
enforce,
and
these
are
the
parts
that
are
challenging
and
for
certain
you
know,
they'll
need
to
be
a
little
bit
of
adjustment
as
we
go
along,
but
I
hope
the
decibel
levels,
plus
staff's
own
experience
will
will
be
able
to
really
paint
a
good
picture
for
you
as
a
board.
You
know,
as
time
goes
on.
K
Great
great
just
one
recommendation,
don't
feel
need
to
respond
to
it.
Now
I
keep
on
thinking
about
this
problem
of
the
measurements
say
that
the
noise
maker
is
in
compliance.
K
So
there's
no
official,
you
know
there's
no
warning,
there's
there's
nothing
like
that,
and
the
complainant
is
actually
willing
to
talk
to
you
right
so
that
example,
how
do
we
collect
the
impact
that
the
complainant
is
having
that
caused
them
to
call
you
right?
If
it's
not
a
matter
of?
Oh,
I
didn't
know,
67
decibels
were
allowed
in
the
cbd
at
this
point
time
of
day.
K
K
I
wonder
if
it
wouldn't
be
helpful
in
the
long
term
to
take
measurements
of
what
you
were
hearing
inside
the
location
of
the
complainant,
just
as
a
data
point
right
so
we'll
take
take
charlie's
case,
you
know,
rabbit
rabbit,
fires,
it
up
they're
running
at
84.9
decibels
as
measured
at
all
the
places
there,
but
he
can't
carry
on
a
conversation
in
his
house,
because
the
nature
of
the
topology
is
he's
getting
79
decibels
inside
his
apartment.
With
his
triple
pane
windows
closed.