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B
D
Moffett-
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
everyone
to
the
meeting
of
the
actual
downtown
commission
for
february
11
2022.,
the
asheville
downtown
commission
was
created
by
the
city
council
for
the
sustainability
and
continued
development
of
downtown
a
vital
urban
center
of
western
north
carolina's
economic,
cultural
and
visitor
activity.
The
downtown
commission
provides
city
council
with
recommendations
on
downtown
policies
and
initiatives.
D
In
addition,
downtown
commissioners
currently
fill
four
out
of
nine
seats
of
the
city's
design
review
committee,
which
reviews
development
projects
within
the
central
business
district,
the
river
arts,
district
and
hotel
projects
outside
of
those
areas.
The
downtown
commission
also
has
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
on
projects
outside
of
the
scope
event,
design
review.
D
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
for
at
least
one
more
meeting.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
our
committee
meetings
differently.
We
are
streaming
live
at
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
We
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
for
anyone
joining
us
out
there
today
welcome
at
this
time.
I
will
go
through
and
do
a
roll
call
and
introduce
the
committee
members
committee
members.
D
You
know
the
drill,
please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone.
If
you
are
not
speaking,
if
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak
unmute
and
raise
your
hand
or
just
speak,
we
we
can.
We
can
accommodate
either
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name.
Please
say
a
quick
hello,
commissioner,
andrew
fletcher,
happy
birthday.
D
Thank
you
good
morning,
good
morning
and
new
commissioner
tau
frankfurt.
I
believe
I
said
that
right
birthday
tomorrow,
right.
D
Good
morning,
commissioner,
kimberly
hunter.
B
This
is
just
we
should
have
a
party
commissioner
steven
lee
johnson.
B
Good
morning,
good
morning,
commissioner,
guillo
rodriguez,
buenos
dias,
guys
a.
D
Commissioner
second
meeting,
I
think
for
him:
ricardo
sayo,
buenos
dias-
am
I
doing
names
right.
B
You're
pretty
good
yeah,
regardless
I'll
practice.
Commissioner,
ruth
summers.
B
D
Well,
welcome
everyone!
Thank
you.
So
we
will.
Our
first
item
is
our
approval
of
minutes
again
we're
doing
draft
action
minutes
from
our
january
14th
meeting
the
full
minute
meeting
minutes
are
considered
to
be
the
recording
of
our
meeting,
so
we
have
draft
action
minutes
first.
Are
there
any
revisions
or
additions
to
the
draft
action
meeting
minutes
and
if
not,
is
there
a
motion
to
approve.
D
J
A
D
Hi
and
sage
hi
all
right.
The
motion
pass
so
this
morning
we
will
go
through
our
new
business
and
presentations,
which
will
include
a
project
overview
for
the
pack
square
improvements.
We
will
do
a
project
development
impact
review
for
72
broadway.
D
We
will
discuss
hopefully
well
we'll
talk
about
it
when
we
get
there
the
city's
proposal
for
board
restructuring
for
advisory
boards.
We
need
to
have
officer
elections
and
just
as
a
update
on
that.
So
so,
even
if
you
guys
kick
me
out,
I'm
gonna
help
the
meeting
along
through
the
end
of
today
and
then
the
new
chair
will
take
over
next
month.
D
We
will
have
updates
and
reports
from
the
design
review
committee,
the
actual
downtown
association,
public
space
management,
a
downtown
update,
and
then
we
have
some
info
formal
discussion,
future
agenda
items
on
the
downtown
parks,
south
side,
vision
plan
and
our
homeless
response.
So
that's
what
we're
planning
on
going
through
today.
Do
we
have
any
public
comment,
written
comments
or
voicemails
that
were
provided
to
us
ahead
of
time?
I'm
not
aware
of
any.
D
K
Thanks
and
thanks
to
everyone
for
giving
me
your
time
this
morning,
we
are
going
to
talk
a
bit.
You
have
a
lot
on
your
agenda
by
the
way,
so
bravo
for
everything
that
you're
getting
into
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
this
project,
the
pack
square
improvement
projects
is,
and
I'm
hoping
what
I
can
do
is
start
a
relationship
with
you,
where
you
start
thinking
about
how
you
can
be
involved,
both
as
downtown
commission
members,
but
also
via
your
other
roles
with
organizations
or
the
work
that
you
do
in
community.
K
K
So
the
first
thing
that
I
want
you
to
know
is
that
there's
an
opportunity
for
you
or
whomever
else
to
actually
submit
a
proposal
for
this
project,
and
they
are
due
on
monday
february
21st
at
5
00
pm.
So
what
would
somebody
be
applying
for?
Well,
we're
looking
for
an
excellent
project
manager
that
can
help
us
work
with
diverse
communities
across
buncombe,
county
paws.
K
So,
if
you
think
about
pac
square
and
most
of
you
know
but
I'll
backtrack,
if
it
helps
with
the
background
here,
this
project
was
obviously
instigated
by
the
vance
monument
task
force,
recommendation
to
the
city
and
the
county
to
remove
the
vance
monument
and
with
the
which
is
city,
property
and
part
of
the
city's
public
art
collection,
and
with
that,
the
basically
a
de-accessioning
of
the
monument
and
removal.
There's
a
lot
of
conversation
in
the
community
about
what
next,
what
the
project
that
we're
proposing
does.
K
Across
buncombe
county
and
to
specifically
think
about
the
heart
of
our
downtown
and
what
it
is
saying
to
community
and
how
it
is
performing
and
acting
as
a
public
space
and
how
it
should
be
acting
as
a
public
space
moving
forward
so
thinking
beyond
just
that
monument
right
so
I'll
give
you
an
example
of
an
issue
we
have
with
inclusivity
right
now.
There
is
a
small,
wonderful
lawn
area
that
sometimes
people
like
to
climb
up
on
and
have
lunch,
and
it's
got
these
well.
K
It's
got
these
beautiful
river
birches
that
are
actually
in
pretty
poor
shape.
Right
now.
So
that's
a
conversation,
but
it's
not
accessible
to
people
who
have
strollers
wheelchairs
or
mobility
issues.
You
need
to
walk
up
some
stairs,
no
matter
on
which
side
you
approach
it
from
in
order
to
get
to
it.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
can
be
thinking
about
beyond
even
monuments
and
memorial
in
this
area,
reining
this
back
in.
We
want
to
get
a
project
manager
that
can
help
us
organize
those
thoughts
and
make
sure
that
certain
questions
are
answered.
K
You
all
are
probably
familiar
with
the.
I
hope
you
are
some
of
you
are
very
new,
the
haywood
and
page
visioning
process,
and
then
the
haywood
and
page
master
concept
planning
process
that
we've
held
over
the
past
five
years.
So
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
level
of
information
that
we
want
to
walk
out
the
door
at
the
end
of
the
day
with
like
a
deliverable,
we
want
something
that
is
more
than
what
we
got
out
of
the
haywood
and
page
visiting
process.
K
We
do
not
have
any
funds
set
aside
for
capital
projects
in
the
future,
and
we
think
that
it's
important
for
us
to
go
to
through
this
process,
first
to
really
understand
what
the
scope
of
any
capital
improvements
might
be.
Most
capital
improvements
will
include
public
art
and
memorials.
Perhaps
maybe
they
won't,
and
they
could
also
include
changes
to
our
public
space
sidewalk
seating
arrangements,
places
where
people
can
use
for
festivals
that
that
type
of
thing,
maybe
they
won't.
This
is
where
the
project
manager
comes
in,
so
project
manager
working
six
to
nine
months.
K
That
is
what
our
original
goal
was,
after
speaking,
to
community.
As
you
know,
real
community
engagement
takes
longer
than
we
ever
think,
but
it
would
be
great
to
get
some
milestones
accomplished
by
the
end
of
this
year,
when
people
will
start
to
have
an
idea
of
of
how
pack
square
can
be
transformed
to
be
a
more
equitable
and
inclusive
place.
Few
things
I
want
to
mention
we're
already
working
with
friends
of
buncombe
county
special
collection
to
create
what
I
would
well.
K
I
should
just
say
what
they
will
call
a
new
narrative
for
for
pac
square,
so
this
includes
creating
a
timeline
and
a
whole
bank
of
resources
that
we
as
a
community,
can
use
as
a
as
basically
like
a
vocabulary
and
a
starter
kit
for
tools
about
thinking
about
the
the
real
history
of
pack
square,
which
is
rich,
deep
and
unknown
to
most.
So
we're
working
with
them
there's
models
that
used
to
be
at
the
old
art
museum.
Those
models
are
going
to
be
redone
as
a
part
of
this
project.
So
right
there.
K
Hopefully
that's,
maybe
stirring
some
interest
in
you
about
like
how
can
I
get
involved
with
some
of
this?
The
public
art
and
cultural
commission
has
already
started
work
on
this
at
their
retreat.
A
couple
fridays
ago
we
brought
in
dr
fox,
who
you
probably
know
from
the
mlk
association
and
his
work
with
the
egi
initiative.
K
We
brought
in
some
other
folks,
academics
from
warren
wilson
college
at
north
carolina
state
university
to
talk
about
monuments,
memorials
and
ask
them
a
lot
of
questions.
It
was
a
great
discussion
if
you're
really
interested
in
that
aspect
of
it.
I
would
point
you
to
the
recording
that
is
available,
of
course,
on
the
city
of
asheville's
youtube
site
and
ask
you
to
take
a
look
at
that
that
that
session
before
we
had
conversations
with
them.
K
She
is
helping
us
create
a
temporary
public
art
program
that
we
hope
to
release
in
mid-march,
maybe
by
april,
where
we
can
get
individuals
and
organizations
across
again,
hopefully
buncombe
county,
but
beyond
that,
potentially
because
we
are
talking
about
unseated
cherokee
territory
here,
and
so
we
want
to
bring
in
members
of
our
eastern
band
and
other
folks
who
have
connections
to
this
area,
to
really
use
arts
and
history
as
a
medium
for
stokes
to
explore
what
pack
square
can
be
in
the
future.
K
So
that's
a
big
thing
moving
forward
as
well,
and
then
I
mean
I
can
answer
any
questions,
but
I
know
you
have
a
limited
time,
I'm
taking
up
a
lot
of
it.
The
question
I
have
for
you
is:
how
can
you
help
make
this
project
better?
K
How
can
you
connect
the
city
and
the
county
to
individuals
and
organizations
that
can
add
value
to
this
process
on
the
front
end?
We
don't
even
have
a
project
manager
yet,
but
we
think
it's
important
to
go
out
and
start
talking
to
people
now
so
we've
already,
for
instance,
been
talking
to
all
of
the
adjacent
property
owners
in
in
the
area
and
asking
them
the
same
question
that
I'm
asking
you.
What
is
it
that
you
think
that
you
might
want
to
do?
How
would
you
like
to
participate?
K
L
Hey
good
morning,
steph
thanks
for
thanks
for
the
update
here,
it's
really
nice
to
see
this
project
coming
along.
I
I
I
to
my
fellow
commissioners.
I
sat
in
on
that
public
art
and
cultural
commission
meeting,
because
I
served
there
as
well,
and
that
was
really
informative.
L
So
if
you,
if
you
do
want
to
take
the
deep
dive
that
was
that
portion
of
the
agenda
for
that
day
was
was
really
really
interesting,
and
I
really
appreciate
the
processes
you
laid
out
here,
saying
like
here's,
the
scope
and
so
being
clear
about
where
the,
where
the
jump
off
is
what
the
ingredients
of
success
will
be,
but
not
defining.
What
that
success
is
will
be
particularly
leaving
it
open
and
community
oriented.
L
I
think
that's
a
lot
of
what,
in
my
experience
with
haywood
page
task
force
like
tells
me
that
was
a
winning.
It
was
a
winning
route
and
you
know,
as
defining
the
deliverable
is
in
between
those
two
points
which
I'm
really
familiar
with
and
any.
If
anyone
wants
is
curious
about
how
that
process
worked,
I
was
very
involved
in
that
and
so
feel
free
to
to
ask
me
about
that.
L
It
might
take
more
than
a
single
cup
of
coffee
to
get
into,
but
it's
it,
but
that
was
a
winning
that
was
a
winning
process
and
being
able
to
define
the
deliverable
like
that.
I
think
is
really
helpful
for
me
to
imagine
what
what
types
of
resources
are
going
to
be
required
to
get
there.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
I
think
that
for
citizens
of
asheville,
this
demonstrates
a
huge
commitment
on
the
part
of
the
city
to
take
this
in
a
direction
that
this
is
how
you
know
a
public
space
would
be
dealt
with
in
a
city
like
washington
or
boston,
and
this
space
deserves
this
approach
and
this
commitment
to
finding
the
right
project
manager,
and
so
the
second
part,
is
that
all
of
us,
no
planners,
we
know
experienced
people
that
either
live
in
our
community
now
or
interested
in
moving
here,
and
I
challenge
each
of
us,
including
myself,
to
to
reach
out
to
people
that
we
feel
like
might
play
a
good
part
in
the
project
or
applying
for
the
position
for
project
manager.
A
D
Commission,
that's
good,
that's
very
good!
So
it
if
they
come
online
sometime
it
or
the
the
bids
are
due
february.
21St,
I'm
assuming
you'll
make
a
selection
sometime
in
march.
Probably,
and
then
the
process
will
probably
start
then
maybe
april.
Is
that
what
you're
yeah.
K
We'll
have
an
process
we'll
start
with
internal
planning,
so
we're
looking
to
that
project
manager
to
work
with
a
variety
of
members
of
staff
from
the
city,
the
county
and
several
community
members
to
actually
create
that
that
scope
of
work,
so
that
will
take
another
30
days
and
we
won't
start
real
and
community
engagement
until
that
work
has
been
done.
So
we're
not
even
planning
to
get
out
of
the
gate
till
I
would
say,
may
okay,
yeah
okay,
except
for
that,
except
for
that
temporary
public
art
program.
L
B
J
Go
ahead,
just
quick
question
has
any
thought
being
given
to
you.
You
talk
about
hayward
page
and
I
was
a
volunteer
during
that
project
and
I
thought
it
went
fairly
well
and
I
just
wondered
if
the
design
center
was
asked
to
help
in
this
project
at
all.
K
So
we
have
outreach
to
them
the
opportunity
for
this
rfp
and
we
meet
with
chris
joyell
monthly
to
provide
updates
on
this
in
other
projects.
I
fully
anticipate
that
the
design
center
will
be
at
the
table
when
we
decide
what
that
process
is.
Yes,.
D
Very
good,
there
are
no
other
questions
or
comments.
I
mean
I
I
plan
to
be
involved
just
as
a
community
member
and
like
steven
lee
said,
we
probably
all
know
folks
who
would
be
a
good
fit
for
at
least
some
of
this
different
pieces.
So
so
please
remain
involved
in
looking
looking
forward
to
see
what
you
do
with
it.
Okay,
thank
you
very
good,
we'll
move
on.
If
that's
all
right,
I
think
the
next
item
of
business
would
be
the
project
development
impact
review
for
72
broadway.
N
Okay,
good
evening
or
good
good
morning,
everybody.
So
this
is
a
development
impact
review
for
the
property
located
at
72
broadway.
N
So
that
plan
has
been
scaled
back
to
be
a
smaller
project
with
less
property,
but
the
old
project
actually
bridged
or
was
a
through
lot
and
had
property
or
frontage
on
both
broadway
as
well
as
north
lexington,
but
that
again
the
project's
been
reduced
in
scope
and
scale,
and
it
doesn't
include
all
those
properties
and
no
longer
has
that
frontage.
Sorry,
I
said
north
lexington,
I
think
that's
the
market.
N
N
I
don't
have
a
site
plan
yet,
but
you
can
see
this
is
the
the
property
or
the
proposed
project.
Pretty
much
goes
out
to
the
property
boundaries.
So
this
this
ground
level
floor
plan
pretty
much
indicates
that
site
plan.
So
you
can
see
the
primary
entrances
located
on
broadway.
N
N
So
it's
nine
stories
with
two
of
those
stories,
the
first
two
being
parking.
So
you
can
see
on
that
ground
level.
N
There's
that
you
can
see
some
of
that
parking
structure
showing
up
there's
an
additional
level
of
parking
below
grade
and
all
of
this
parking
is
accessed
via
a
public
right-of-way
that
comes
in
from
the
the
south
on
the
edge
of
the
building.
So
so
that
preserves
the
frontage
on
broadway
for
pedestrian
use
and
we
don't
have
those
interruptions
any
longer.
N
So
here
is
a
elevation
of
the
building.
They
are
still
in
development,
so
this
is.
This
could
change
a
little
bit?
It
has
been.
This
project
has
been
to
the
design
review
committee
once
informally,
it's
going
to
return
to
the
design
review
committee
again
next
week,
informally,
so
the
architect's,
taking
advantage
of
the
committee
as
a
resource,
to
try
to
help
improve.
N
The
street
wall
height,
is
established
at
the
fourth
floor
here
and
the
building
does
step
back,
which
becomes
more
apparent
in
some
of
the
perspective
drawings
that
I'm
going
to
show
you
here
in
a
little
bit,
and
then
you
can
see
that
there's
some
non
or
non-residential
or
or
some
commercial
space
at
the
ground
level,
the
mix
of
uses
it's
a
mixed-use
building.
You've
got
a
little
bit
of
that
retail
at
the
ground
level,
about
2
000
square
feet
and
there
are
22,
extended,
stay
hotel
units
and
18
condominiums.
N
N
And
another
of
the
side
elevations:
this
is
the
south
side
where
you
have
the
parking
garage
entrance
here
and
then
here
I
think
the
perspective
does
a
good
job
of
showing
that
step
back.
So
you
can
see
that
that
principal
entrance
there
there
are
a
couple
other
secondary
entrances,
I
think
into
those
retail
spaces,
and
you
can
see
the
use
of
some
balconies.
This
is
your
your
step
back
area
at
the
street
wall
height
and
you
can
kind
of
see
it's
a
sort
of
an
l-shaped
building.
N
N
So
I'd
be
happy
to
go
back
to
any
of
those
perspective,
drawings
or
elevations.
If
the
commission
would
like
me
to,
but
when
we
look
at
these
projects,
we
look
at
them
from
a
development
impact
standpoint,
so
not
just
from
design,
but
in
looking
at
the
overall
design
it.
Our
preliminary
review
is
that
it
does
largely
comply
not
just
with
the
udo
standards
but
with
the
design
guidelines.
N
So
the
the
couple,
the
guidelines
that
are
a
little
bit-
you
know
they
almost
conflict
themselves.
A
little
bit
when
we
talk
about
base
middle
cap
organization
is
there
is
a
guideline
that
suggests
that
you
should
establish
your
base
at
the
street
wall,
which
would
be
the
fourth
level
here,
and
I
think
the
applicant
has
done
sort
of
a
nice
job
of
establishing
the
base
at
that
at
those
that
ground
level
or
just
the
first
two
stories
with
with
the
street
wall
step
back
being
a
part
of
that
middle
section.
N
Obviously
this
building
is
going
to
be
a
more
modern
design
that
doesn't
necessarily
mesh
with
the
masonic
lodge
as
one
of
those
historic
buildings,
but
it
does
take
some
architectural
cues
from
some
of
the
other
buildings,
particularly
across
the
street.
You
can
see
the
center
for
craft
here
and
just
sort
of
the
size
and
organization
of
some
of
the
windows
and
some
of
these
other
historic
buildings,
so
it
does.
It
does
achieve
that
to
some
degree.
N
So,
as
with
a
lot
of
our
design
guidelines,
there's
a
little
interpretation
of
how
well
a
project
meets
those
guidelines
or
not.
Some
other
things
to
point
out
is
from
a
multimodal
or
transporting
multimodal
transportation
goal
or
standpoint.
You
know
this
project
is
providing
some
off-street
parking,
which
is
required
for
the
hotel
use.
N
It's
not
required
for
the
other
uses,
but
one
thing
that
we
particularly
like
about
this
project
is
that
it
takes
the
entrance
to
that
parking
off
the
alley,
as
opposed
to
trying
to
create
a
new
curb
cut
on
the
front
of
the
building
that
was
included
in
one
of
the
earlier
iterations
of
this
and
staff
quickly
said
you
know,
you've
got
this
alley.
Why
can't
you
use
the
alley
and
the
applicant
was
pretty
very
open
to
that
initially,
and
so
they
kind
of
redesigned
it.
N
So
that
was
possible
and
it
does
provide
a
mix
of
uses,
which
is
another
goal
that
we
like
to
see.
We
like
to
see
a
balance
of
uses.
This
property
is
located
in
the
hotel
overlay,
so
it
is
one
of
those
areas
or
or
properties
that
we
did
early
identify
in
that
master
planning
process
to
be
suitable
for
a
hotel
and
it's
not
just
a
hotel.
So
it's
a
hotel
with
residential
units
and
that
little
bit
of
retail
to
kind
of
help
activate
the
ground
level.
N
D
A
quick,
quick
question:
can
you
go
to
one
of
the
3d
views?
So
I'm
I'm
looking
at
this
and
I'm
I'm
just
struggling
to
figure
out
what's
going
on,
because
I
thought
they
were
not
right
up
yeah
so
that
one
it
looks
like
it's.
The
left
side
is
dead
up
against
the
temple,
but
I
thought
they
were
leaving.
They
didn't
own
that
and
that
that
was
the
parking
lot.
N
N
N
Away
this
parking,
which
is
part
of
their
project-
and
that
is
the
we
had-
we
did
receive
some
comments
from
members
of
the
community
about
the
loss
of
this
parking.
But,
of
course
this.
This
is
a
level
two
and
from
a
technical
standpoint,
you
know
we
can't
make
a
project
keep
parking,
they
are
providing
parking,
but
we
anticipate
that
those,
I
think
it's
43
or
46
parking
spaces
are
really
going
to
be
just
for
the
exclusive
use
of
their
project.
They're,
not
supplying
additional
public
parking.
I
Yeah,
you
know
I
didn't
realize
this
one
was
going
to
be
a
level
two
and
I
figured
that
it
will
go
back
to
the
design
board,
which
is
great,
I
think
you
all
that
are
on
the
design
board
have
been
doing
a
wonderful
job.
I
commend
you
on
that
and
I
hope
that
you
will
do
similarly
to
this
one,
as
he
did
the
avery,
because
I'm
looking
at
this-
and
it
reminds
me
of
the
cambria-
and
I
if
there,
if
this
is
what
our
design
guidelines
are
producing
and
allowing.
I
Please
write
us
at
council
about
updating
the
design
guidelines,
because
this
kind
of
stuff,
no
offense
peter
at
mha.
I
mean
here's
a
wonderful
architect
in
his
crew,
but
I
do
not
like
this
design.
I
hope
I'm
disappointed,
and
I
know
this
is
about
impacts
but
design
work.
Please
tackle
this
a
little
bit
help
us
I'm
disappointed.
E
Yeah,
I
want
to
second
that
it's
just
it
looks
very
different
from
the
rest
of
the
buildings
around
that,
so
I
I
also
think
that
it's
it's
a
little
disappointing
to
see
that
specific
design
and
also
to
lose
the
parking
spots.
E
So
I
get
that
we
can
force
them
to
have
these
extra
parking
spots.
But
it's
as
someone
using
that
area.
I
think
it's
a
loss
to
downtown.
F
Yeah,
I
wanted
to
say
that
I
remember
the
original
review
and
it
was
exciting.
The
design
was
beautiful
and
this
is
totally
different
and
I
can't
get
that
original
design
out
of
my
head.
I
know
we're
not
reviewing
that.
I
get
it.
It
just
is
a
really
stark
contrast,
and
so
I'm
excited
that
they're
coming
to
drc
and
we
can
support
them
and
maybe
shaping
up
this
project.
Thank
you.
D
Very
good,
I
think
it's
andrew
and
then
guillau.
L
L
I've
noticed
that
some
of
the
applicants
have
brought
in
some
really
really
good
development
packets,
and
we
can
really
imagine
that
building
in
that
space
and-
and
it
really
helps
the
review-
I
think-
probably
not
just
for
the
commission
and
the
design
review
and
planning
and
zoning,
but
probably
for
staff
too,
just
to
assess
you
know,
what's
more
going
on
what
it's.
But
this
is
a.
L
This
is
a
black
and
white
perspective
that
doesn't
seem
to
even
even
the
boxes
around
the
building,
like
friends,
do
like
what
you
mentioned
about
the
masonic
temple,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
imagine
how
that's
going
to
fit
there
and
to
together.
So
it's
it's.
It
makes
it
more
difficult
to
review,
which
makes
me
more
skeptical
of
the
project
and
less
confident
of
like
what
we
see
is
what
we
get
question
mark.
L
L
This
was
the
hotel
after
the
flatiron
project
and
before
the
moratorium,
this
bridge
that
little
that
little
gap
there
and
it
was
the
only
hotel
project
that
was
unanimously
voted
down,
and
it
was
probably
the
best
one
that
had
ever
been
proposed
to
council
and
that,
while
I'm
not
known
to
be
a
fan
of
hotels,
I
did.
L
I
know
that
the
intent
of
the
moratorium
was
stated
to
be
sort
of
well
what
if
we
had
fewer
but
better
hotels,
and
here
we
are
on
the
other
side
of
the
moratorium,
new
hotel
rules
in
place,
and
we
have
more
hotels
and
they're
worse,
and
so
I'm
not
really
sure
that
that
so
you
know,
I
I'm
not
really
sure
what
we
got
out
of
this
in
this
in
this
case,
and
so
I've
as
far
as
the
greater
process.
That's
above
this
that's
kind
of
above
the
staff
level.
L
I
think
it
we,
I
don't
think
we're
getting.
I
don't
think
we're
getting
what
we
want,
and
I
think
this
hotel
is
a
real
prime
example
of
how
we
didn't
land
in
the
place
that
we
needed
to
land
with
in
our
relationship
with
this
extremely
powerful
industry.
That's
eating
up
almost
every
piece
of
available
property
in
our
downtown,
and
this
is
a
lesser
quality
building
than
the
one
that
was
there's
no
mention
of
public
art.
L
N
I
I
should
have
mentioned
that
there
had
been
some
discussion
about
still
kind
of
maintaining
that
art
theme
that
was
included
in
the
original
project
at
the
informal
review,
but
we
just
don't
have
any
detail
about
what
that
means
exactly
so
I
didn't
highlight
it.
Similarly,
mha
is
well
known
for
adding
green
roofs
and
things
of
that
nature
to
their
projects.
N
But
again
we
just
don't
quite
have
that
much
detail,
yet
perhaps
we
will
by
the
next
meeting
and
it
this
may
be
a
case
where
it
might
this
might
it
might
be
worth
coming
back
to
downtown
commission
after
the
the
design
gets
a
little
further
along.
L
Yeah
in
in
that
case,
I'm
going
to
second
what
sage
has
said,
which
is
hey
design,
review,
folks,
chalk
up
and
because
they,
this
project
needs
your
help.
I
And
I
just
wanted
to
echo
some
of
what
andrew
was
saying.
This
project
actually
was
the
same
night
as
the
moratorium.
It
was
the
vote
right
before
the
moratorium
and
it
was
frankly
I
mean
he's
right
this.
This
was
the
best
hotel
project
we
had
and
some
of
the
details,
if
we're
going
to
talk
about
impact,
was
that
it
included.
If
I
recall,
150
hotel
rooms,
30
condominiums,
10,
affordable
apartments,
and
it
was
going
to
be
our
local
art,
retail
and
commercial
space.
I
There
was
an
alley
of
local
art,
I
mean
it
was.
It
was
frankly
everything
we
thought
that
the
moratorium
might
get
us
too.
So
the
irony
that
this
is
back-
and
this
is
what
we're
getting
is
very
unfortunate-
and
I
know
part
of
it-
is
probably
for
those
of
you
who
understand
so
you
know
we
have
people
that
sell
land
to
hoteliers.
We
have
developers
of
hoteliers,
but
they
always
have
an
operator.
So,
for
instance,
mckibben
developed
the
heiress,
the
heiress
is
the
operator.
I
The
one
down
in
the
historic
ymi
area
is
a
foundry,
but
it
is
it's
an
operator
of
marriott
like
there
are
things
and
the
operator
that
had
originally
proposed
to
be
in
this
is
now
the
one
doing
the
hotel
next
to
a
loft.
So
perhaps
there
was
a
parting
of
ways
and
that's
how
we
ended
up
with
this,
but
it
was
certainly
better
before
and
for
impacts.
We
lose
the
alley,
we
lose
the
housing,
we
lose,
the
affordability,
we
lose,
the
local
retail
space.
N
I
N
And
I
also
want
to
be
careful.
I
think
I
might
need
to
push
back
just
a
little
bit
on
the
statement
that
we're
getting
more
and
worse
hotels.
I
I
worse
is
subjective,
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
respond
to
that.
But
more.
I
don't
think
that
that's
the
case.
Pre-Pandemic.
We
had
a
lot
of
hotel
applications
with
a
lot
of
rooms.
N
Was
a
bigger
project,
but
that
was
a
really
large
project
overall
and
they
only
added,
I
think,
50
hotel
rooms
where
the
moxie
is,
I
think
somewhere
around
100,
but
all
of
the
other
applications
have
been
like
less
than
30
in
the
20s
or
the
teens.
So
I
I
don't
think
we're.
I
think
in
terms
of
I
think
the
hotel
regulations
have
been
successful
in
that
they
have
pushed
the
hotels
into
the
areas
where
we
have.
N
We
had
determined
through
that
zoning
planning
process
to
establish
the
hotel
overlays
and
we
have
large
and
small
districts,
and
this
is
in
a
small
district,
so
it
helps
to
ensure
that
the
hotel
use
doesn't
become
the
overwhelming
use
on
the
corridor
or
on
this
street.
So
you
know
you're
not
going
to
get
more
than
30
some
rooms
in
any
of
these
projects.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out,
particularly
since
we
have
some
newer
commissioners,
so
they
kind
of
have
a
little
bit
of
background
on
on
that
study.
D
We've
got
three
hands
raised
and
then
we're
going
to
start
to
wrap
up
the
discussion.
So
if
you
want
to
say
something,
go
ahead
and
raise
your
hand,
so
you
can
get
in
the
queue
because
we've
got
a
lot
to
cover.
Today.
D
I
see
you
guys
yeah,
I
got
you
hold
on
one
quick
thing:
shannon,
please
make
sure
for
the
our
design
review,
that
they
provide
some
streetscape
stuff,
because
I'm
a
little
lost
as
to
what's
going
on,
and
I
say
that
as
a
as
someone
who
looks
at
a
lot
of
these
applications.
D
Yes,
it
doesn't
have
to
even
be
a
perspective,
just
as
you
know,
streetscape
like
we
do
in
hrc
and
a
lot
of
other
things.
I
need
to
know,
what's
going
on,
to
put
this
building
in
context
a
bit
and
then
so.
We've
talked
about
parking.
Multimodal
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
economic
development,
livability
urban
design,
balance
abuses,
public
safety
and
I
agree
shannon.
This
would
probably
be
a
good
one
to
bring
back.
B
A
Oh
thanks,
I
know
that
the
applicant
is
either
watching
this
or
is
going
to
see
what
the
results
are
of
this
meeting,
but
I
don't
see
any
changes
in
this
and
that
may
be
intentional,
but
any
changes
from
what
the
design
review
committee
saw
in
their
first
presentation.
A
So
this
is
just
a
message
from
me
to
them.
This
thing
is
dead
in
its
tracks
like
if
it's
submitted
like
this,
and
I
would
suggest
that
there
be
a
major
regroup
on
this,
given
what
we're
hearing
now
in
the
design
design
review
committee
members
of
if
this
thing
passed
folks,
the
the
drc
would
be
like
eviscerated
and
the
architecture
firm
has
got
to
realize
that
and
I'm
not
going
to
name
names
but
there's
a
hotel
that
was
mentioned
earlier.
That
is
near
the
grove.
A
Arcade
is
an
absolute
horrible,
eyesore
downtown,
and
this
is
looking
just
like
it
in
this
form.
I
know
the
materials
may
be
different,
but
this
is
this
is
just
not
gonna
float
and
it
at
this
stage.
They
need
to
be
pressing
what
these
public
benefits
are,
and
I
don't
see
any
anything
present
right
now
to
demonstrate
that
maybe
they're
there
maybe
we'll
hear
about
a
design
review,
but
in
its
current
fashion
it's
not
going
to
move
one
step
forward.
N
I
did
I
did
reach
out
to
the
applicant
earlier
this
week
asking
them,
because
I
had
noticed
that
we
hadn't
received
any
updated
materials
and
design
review
is
scheduled
for
next
week,
and
I
have
not
gotten
a
response
back.
I'm
not
sure
what
that
means.
It
may
be
that
this
is
premature.
You
know
our
our
customary
practice
is
to
do
the
informal
review.
Have
the
development
impact
discussion
do
the
formal
review
and
then
you
know,
move
on
through
the
process.
N
I
think
they
are
perhaps
not
far
enough
along
in
the
design
development
stage.
With
this
project.
A
So
that
is
important
to
know,
because
I
know
andrew
has
some
concerns
with
that
too.
But
this
this
group
is
very
good
at
presenting
very
conceptual
and
then
taking
us
along
and
then,
as
it
gets
more
developed,
presenting
very,
very
clear
aerial
images,
perspective
images
and
we're
looking
at
these
forms
right
now,
but
the
forums
aren't
working
and
the
program
is
not
working
and
those
are.
H
Yeah,
I
I
just
wanted
to
mention
two
things.
I
was
against
the
moxie
presentation
when
it
was
first
done.
I
just
felt
like
you
know
they
were
adding
things
just
so
that
it
would
look
good
to
the
design
review
committee
like
the
wall
of
art
it.
It
really
wasn't
what
I
would
call
a
significant
piece
of
artwork,
but
the
thing
that
bothers
me
the
most
about
this
new
plan,
even
though
we
can't
see
the
street
view
and
how
it
fits
within
the
masonic
temple.
H
H
J
D
Soon
but
we'll
get
him
back
and
if
we
have
to,
he
can
text
me
and
I'll
read
his
comments
geo
if
you're
back.
J
Hello,
I'm
here
yeah
real
fast,
I'm
so
sorry,
I'm
gonna
go
real
fast.
I
was
sitting
on
the
planning,
the
zoning
commission
when
we
first
reviewed
this
the
first
proposal.
I
agree
with
all
the
comments
that
have
been
made
so
far.
That
was
an
exciting
project
that
connected
two
streets.
It
had
a
a
diverse
amount
of
of
uses
had
some
really
interesting
spaces
going
through
the
building.
J
Now
we
have
this
project,
I
think
we
need
to
review
it
on
its
own
merits.
I
agree
with
all
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
so
far.
This
is
a
disappointment,
but
that's
what
we've
got
right
now
and
one
of
the
things
specifically
down
in
there
or
if
you
can
help
me
it's
like
what
kind
of
improvements
were
we
made
to
the
to
the
public
access,
because
that
that
kind
of
back
alley
is
a
mess
I
just
wondered:
have
they
have
they
proposed
anything
there.
N
They
they
are
reaching.
They
are
talking
to
the
other
property
owners
who
use
that
alley.
So,
even
if
it's
a
publicly
dedicated
alley,
it's
still
privately
maintained
and
managed,
and
so
that's
the
case
here,
so
they
just
have
to
work
with
all
of
the
other
property
owners
about
how
to
kind
of
clean
up
the
use
of
that
alley.
There
are.
There
is
some
unpermitted
parking
that
occurs
in
that
alley.
N
That
encroaches,
which
I
think
is
creating
some
challenges
with
you
know,
sort
of
clear
access
through,
but
that
that
we
leave
that
up
to
the
applicant
to
sort
out
they're
going
to
have
to
secure
a
20-foot,
clear
path
to
that
parking
garage
in
order
to
meet
fire
department
access
standards.
So
that
is.
That
is
an
assumption
that
we
have
at
this
case
that
at
this
stage,
otherwise
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
use
that
alley.
J
And
and
the
other
that
you
know
that
it's
an
informal
connection
that
we
all
use
to
get
through
from
market
over
we've
all
kind
of
gone
through
that
whole
space.
So
I
I
just
think
that's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
create
if
they're
you
know,
if
this
project
goes
forward,
is
to
create
a
a
much
more
interesting
pedestrian
friendly.
You
know
connection
between
the
two
two
streets
and
I
hope,
that's
maintained.
If
this
project
is.
D
Very
good,
I'm
going
to
give
sage
the
last
word
the
other
design
review
members,
we've
all
heard
comments,
and
hopefully
we
can
take
that
to
them,
and
we
will
definitely
encourage
that.
They
bring
this
back
to
this
body
with
significant
revisions
once
they've
made
them
and
once
designer
view
has
gone
through
sage,
you're
up.
I
Sir,
I
just
wanted
to
remind
us,
so
I
think
our
parking
committee
and
did
that
you
know
parking
walking
study
and
we
just
found
that
this
particular
street
front
had
like
so
many
street
cuts
that
there
could
have
been
a
lot
more
street
parking.
What
happened
here.
I
know
what
the
previous
application
there
was
on
street
parking
increased.
What's
the
situation
now
was
that
mentioned,
because
I
can't
tell
from
the
one
little
sketchup.
I
N
I
I
D
That's
a
good
note,
shannon
do
you
need
anything
else
from
from
us
to
take
to
drc
or
to
the
applicant.
D
Perfect
all
right,
then,
let's
move
into
our
next
item
of
business,
which
was
a
discussion
of
initial
proposal
for
board
restructures.
There
were
been
some
materials
that
went
out
so
ruth
and
I
were
invited
to
a
design
forum.
Let
me
get
my
time
right.
I
think
that
was
last
wednesday.
D
Is
that
right,
yeah
and
the
city
city
council,
I
think
through
vice
chair
gwen,
and
I
think
staff
have
been
work
or
have
worked
on
an
initial
proposal
to
restructure
boards
and
commissions.
D
There
was
a
small
article
in
los
and
there's
there's
some
material
that
is
available
with
that.
So
I
wanted
to
go
ahead.
Well,
I
wanted
to
talk
about
it.
I
know
andrew
wanted
to
talk
about
it.
There's
probably
some
others
that
wanted
to
talk
about
it
a
little
bit
today
and
dana.
D
If
you
don't
mind,
I'm
gonna,
let
you
kind
of
jump
in
since
you've
been
involved
in
that
process,
describe
kind
of
what
the
purpose
is
and
and
where,
where
where
the
process
stands
and
what
are
the
next
steps
and
then
we
can,
we
can
talk
about
it
just
a
little
bit
sure.
C
Maybe
to
frame
this
up
a
bit,
so
I'm
just
going
to
start
with
the
process
side.
C
The
next
step
of
engagement
will
be
some
larger
public
workshops
which
all
board
members
in
the
community
will
be
invited
to,
and
we
should
have
those
dates
they're
trying
to
set
them
later
today,
so
hopefully
early
next
week
also
happy.
You
know
it
is
tough
for
staff
to
get
to
each
individual
board.
We,
we
really
haven't
laid
out
the
entire
process
of
engagement.
Yet,
but
if
that's
something
that's
important
to
this
board,
we
can.
We
can
absolutely
try
to
make
that
happen.
C
So,
just
looking
at
the
reason
that
this
proposal
has
is
being
explored,
staff
and
council
and
board
members
have
seen
challenges
with
filling
board
seats
and
keeping
board
seats,
filled
staff
capacity
to
manage
boards,
clear
roles
and
responsibilities
for
board
members
communication
among
and
across
boards,
as
well
as
from
board
members
to
city
council.
C
C
In
some
cases,
those
kind
of
separate
from
council's
priorities
and
from
the
goals,
the
larger
city
goals
that
we're
working
towards
so
staff
researched,
other
cities
and
best
practices,
and
that
really
informed.
This
early
proposal
proposal
aims
to
structure
boards
and
commissions
in
a
way
where
they
would
be
directly
aligned
with
goals
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
the
proposal
was
written
to
be
intentional
about
about
being
more
inclusive,
strategic
and
efficient.
C
Even
though
I
under
I
recognize
you
know
if
you're
collapsing
boards,
it
can
feel
like
you're
you're,
including
less
people,
but
I
just
will
share
that.
Goals
of
this
restructure
are
to
be
more
inclusive,
strategic
and
efficient,
and
so
yes,
the
advisory
boards
would
be
decision
and
action-oriented
kind
of
like
how
a
council
committee
operates
or
or
council
meetings
currently
and
working
groups
would
be,
is
kind
of
a
flexible
approach
of
engaging
with
various
folks
in
the
community
who
have
interest
on
particular
topics
and
working
on
folk.
C
You
know
focusing
for
a
period
of
time
or
on
an
ad
hoc
basis
to
tackle
a
particular
thing
and
that's
still
very
much.
You
know
an
open
conversation
about
how
working
groups
could
would
be
structured
to
support
those
boards
of
commissions
and,
ultimately,
you
know
making
progress
on
these
important
issues
and
items
that
we're
trying
to
tackle
as
a
city.
C
So
I
do
also
have
there's
an
email
address
that
that
folks
are
welcome
to
use.
If
you
have
early
comments
or
feedback
or
questions
again,
it's
a
little
hard.
I
understand
why
some
of
you
here
this
might
be
the
first
time
you're
hearing
this
so
there's
definitely
more.
The
presentation
that
was
given
at
these
focus
groups
is
available
and
there's
plenty
more
information.
C
D
Okay,
so
again,
my
understanding
there
is
a
that
that
forum
was
to
inform
current
chair
and
vice
chair
positions
of
kind
of
where
they,
where
they
currently
are,
and
then
on.
The
the
goal
is
to
to
move
on
into
an
actual
process.
D
What
was
or
what
was
presented
and
and
again,
like
dana
said
we
can
make
that
pdf
available
is
that
they
would
take
there's.
Currently,
I
think,
six
city
council
committees.
They
would
take
that
down
to
five.
There
would
then
be
four
advisory
boards
and
then
under
each
advisory
board
would
be
a
working
group.
D
There's
a
lot
of
questions.
At
least
I
have
a
ton
of
questions.
I
would
go
ahead
and
frame
it.
This
way
that
one.
I
know
that
pruning
can
be
a
good
and
healthy
activity,
but
you
have
to
understand
what
is
working
and
what
is
not
what
is
healthy
and
what
is
not
before
you
prune,
and
that
we
need
to
have
clear
metrics
for
what
are
currently
functional,
good
relationships
and
and
what
are
not
before
we
start
cutting
things.
D
So
I
would,
I
would
say,
I'm
I'm
open
to
the
idea
that
we
need
to
have
this
process.
I
I
have
concerns
on
on
who
you
know
how
we're
going
to
make
these
decisions
and
what
they
are.
So
I
don't
want
to
belabor
this
too
long
yeah
there's
going
to
be
lots
of
hands
we,
I
know
we
have
other
things.
D
We
need
to
do
so,
let's
jump
in,
and
please
ask
your
questions,
we'll
try
to
answer
them
and
really
what
we're
doing
today,
at
least
my
goal
for
today
I
see
you
andrew
my
goal
for
today
is-
is
to
inform
you
on
what's
going
on
and
get
some
feedback,
so
we
can
communicate
that
back
to
folks
and
go
from
there
geo.
J
I
looked
at
the
amount
of
staff
time
it
takes
to
to
to
to
handle
these
commissions
to
just
be
in
person,
and
I
really
think
this
process
is
necessary
because
I
don't
think
I've
been
involved
in
a
city
that
has
quite
so
many
commissions
on
quite
so
many
topics,
and
I
I
like
the
idea
of
doing
task
force
as
opposed
to
just
sitting
three-hour
meetings
and
just
looking
to
everyone's.
So
I
I
I
I
applaud
the
effort
I
hope
it
works.
J
I
hope
we
can
can
that
staff
can
use
this
time
much
more
effectively
with
task
force
and
those
kinds
of
you
know
that
that
process
so
good
for
you.
I
So
you
know
I'm
I
don't
know
where
I
sit
on
this
proposal.
I
suspect,
by
the
time
it
gets
to
us
that
we'll
have
a
lot
of
changes,
but
what
I
am
doing,
I
am
supportive
of
hearing
from
everyone
about
how
it
could
be
better,
and
maybe
this
isn't
the
right
way
or
there's
better
ways
or
it'll
get
more
expansive
as
we
shop
it.
But
I
do
hope
we'll
that
you
all
will
engage
and
encourage
others
too.
So
we
can
improve
this
process
overall.
L
Yeah
I
I
fully
agree
that
boards
and
commissions
require
renovation,
but
make
no
doubt
about
it.
The
the
process
that
has
brought
us
this
proposal
is
not
been
a
community-led
process.
It's
been
a
clear
that
it's
a
been
a
council-led
process.
L
I'd
like
it's
hard
for
me
to
imagine
the
massive
amount
of
staff
time
at
the
management
level
that
went
into
creating
a
31-page
powerpoint
presentation,
without
some
sense
that
there
was
a
majority
of
council
that
that
that
sanctioned
the
use
of
that
time,
because
there's
a
lot
of
staff
resources
that
went
into
this
plan.
Also,
this
is
a
pretty.
This
is
a
closed
end
project
they've
already
they've
already
suggested
where
the
landing
point
is,
and
now
the
idea
that
we're
we
can
somehow
get
some
input
onto
this.
L
I
think
it
looks
like
processes
the
city
has
failed
in,
but
previously
it
does
not
look
like
processes
that
the
city
has
been
successful
in
and
I'm
going
to
point
to
our
work
on
haywood
page
and
if,
if,
if
you
applied
this
process
to
what
happened
to
what
at
haywood
page,
we
would
have
started
with
a
pretty
fully
drawn
map
and
what
made
that
project
successful?
Is
we
let
the
community
lead?
L
But
you
did
that
after
deciding
the
landing
point,
then
you
haven't
really
done
a
very
good
process.
So
this
is
not
a
community-led
process,
I'm
deeply,
and
I
don't
think
that
the
process
that
has
been
started
right
now
is
going
to
get
us
to
a
better
place.
L
We
can't
ask
the
big
picture
questions.
How
do
we
know
that
less
is
more?
How
do
we
know
that?
More
is
worse.
L
We
haven't
been
asking
the
correct
questions
before
we
start
this
before
we
just
started
this
process
and
the
communities
who
have
been
blindsided
by
this
proposal
to
basically
evict
200
people
from
their
positions
in
city
hall.
That's
about
the
number!
If
you,
if
you
look
at
who's
there
and
who
would
be
afterwards
and
I'm
I,
I
think
we
need
to
help
the
city
they're,
making
a
mistake
right
now
in
this
process
and
I'm
ready
to
help.
L
But
I
can't
help
this
thing
because
it's
non-salvageable
and
if
we're
going
to
really
talk
about
what
we
need
to
do,
we
cannot
define
the
landing
point
before
we
even
start
listening
to
community
members
and
stakeholders,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
have
some.
I
have
some
serious
process
questions
and
I
don't
think
the
process
has
launched
right
now
is
salvageable
because
it
look
it
it
just
there's
no
there's
no
real
buy-in,
there's
recognition.
I
hear
you
there's
recognition
the
need
for
work,
but
I'll
tell
you
in
my
years
of
experience
with
boards
and
commissions.
L
The
biggest
determinants
of
of
success
is
whether
your
council
liaison
pays
attention
to
what's
going
on
and
shows
up
to
meetings
and
whether
you
have
a
dedicated
staff
member
attached
to
that.
So
in
public
art
and
cultural
commission
we've
limped
along
because
we've
had
one
we've
shared
a
staff
person
that
is
stretched
very,
very
thin
and
our
council
liaison
has
has
attended
one
meeting
in
the
entire
time.
L
I've
been
there
and
that's
been
almost
six
years,
and
so
the
idea
that
the
the
the
boards
and
commissions
are
struggling
because
of
some
intrinsic
nature
of
them
is
false.
They're
struggling
when
the
city
doesn't
apply
the
correct
maintenance,
the
the
correct
resources
to
those.
L
If
you
know
it's,
it's
kind
of
funny
to
blame
the
boards
themselves,
when
the
boards
don't
get
to
choose
the
resources
that
they
have
available
to
them.
If
we
or
want
to
empower
these
citizens
to
do
things,
we
you
know,
we
can't
ignore
them
and
then
ask
why
they've
been
ignored.
L
So
I'm
willing
to
hear
from
some
other
folks
on
this.
But
I
am
very
concerned
that
if
we
let
this
ball
roll
any
farther,
then
it's
going
to
be
a
foregone
conclusion
and
we
need
to
help
the
city
and
ask
them
to
reboot
fully
reboot
this
process
and-
and
after
I
hear
for
some
folks,
if
I,
if
I
think
that
we've
got
support,
I
have
emotion,
prepared
robin.
G
Go
ahead,
I
apologize
if
I've
missed
something,
but
I
haven't
seen
a
powerpoint
or
I
haven't,
read
this
long
pdf.
So
it's
kind
of
hard
to
have
any
comments
about
this
at
all.
From
my
perspective,
I
mean
I
don't
know
what
yeah.
D
So
so
I
mean
I
was
at
the
meeting
and
I
don't
even
I'm
not
even
sure
I'm
we
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
get
in
front
of
it
and
start
talking
about
it,
because
it's
generating
a
huge
amount
of
buzz,
we'll
send
that
out
tao,
we'll
try
to
put
a
link
or
something
in
chat,
I'll
figure
out
how
to
do
that
in
a
minute.
D
But
but
no,
you
haven't
missed
anything
it
just
it
kind
of
just
came
out
and
we're
we're
informing
you
that
this
process
is
happening,
because
this
would
be
huge.
I
had
tons
of
questions
originally,
I
misunderstood
the
proposal
because
it
looked
like
they
had.
D
You
know
quasi-judicial
and
joint
boards
and
commissions
kind
of
in
that
mix,
but
I
think
they
were
just
showing
how
stretched
resources
are,
but
it's
really
just
advisory
boards,
which
would
include
this
one
that
are
that
are
on
the
table
before
we
get
to
kimi
and
geo
and
sage
again,
I
want
to
point
out
one
thing
that
I
think
is
interesting:
we
just
praised
the
cities
the
way
the
city
is
handling
the
reimagining
of
of
of
our
of
our
of
our
center.
D
You
know
and
how
they're
going
you
know
we're
going
to
hire
a
project
manager
and
we're
not
we're
going
to
listen
to
the
community
and
we're
not
even
going
to
tell
you
what
the
end
point
is
until
we've,
you
know,
listened
to
people
and
figured
out
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing,
and
that's
just
I
mean
it's
a
big
deal,
but
that's
just
for
you
know
a
piece
of
the
city,
whereas
this
is
a
policy
for
how
policy
will
happen
right.
So
I
want
to
point
that
out.
Kimmy
go
ahead.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
You
know
I
I'm
on
this
commission
and
other
volunteer
committees
and
boards,
and
things
like
that,
because
I
care
about
the
wellness
of
our
community.
It's
so
important
to
me,
you're
so
important
to
me.
F
Everyone
on
this
commission
and
my
neighbors
are
so
important
to
me
and
those
I've
met
and
haven't
met
and
that
if
there's
any
little
thing,
I
can
do
to
make
people
who
can't
because
they're
not
you
know,
they're
working
or
they're
strapped
down
with
more
children
or
whatever
they're,
incapable
of
speaking
up
that
my
little
voice,
that's
not
professional,
and
not
this,
and
not
that
actually
offers
offers
insight.
I
think
for
me,
I
you
know,
I
don't.
F
My
heart's
desire-
and
I'm
speaking
from
the
heart
here,
because
it's
just
who
I
am
I'm
a
technician
about
some
things,
but
mostly
hard
about
everything
else-
is
that
the
wellness
of
every
person
here
and
beyond
and
who
will
come
and
who's
been
here
and
has
been
overlooked
and
they
do
not
receive
wellness
from
living
in
the
city
and
in
our
county
that,
whatever
decisions,
anybody
makes
councils
city
staff
boards
commissions.
That
is
really
with
the
aim
of
wellness
and
we
have
been
tattered
and
torn
and
ripped
and
shredded
many
people.
F
It
leads
to
the
ability
for
people
to
have
more
longevity.
It
leads
to
greater
visibility
of
all
people.
Then,
let's
do
that.
Maybe
we
don't
agree
about
how
to
get
there
in
this
moment,
because
change
is
scary,
but
I
want
to
offer
that
in
these
times
when
maybe
each
of
us
has
a
personal
agenda,
maybe
we
don't.
F
I
know
for
me
I'm
just
here,
because
I
care
that's
it:
a
career
agenda,
political
agenda,
whatever
it
is,
I'm
not
naming
anything
specific
about
any
one
person,
but
if
it
could
be
just
hold
each
of
us
at
the
center
as
if
we
freaking
matter,
if
our
time,
our
energy,
our
resources,
our
ability
to
be
with
our
friends
and
family,
because
people
are
dying,
people
are
here
one
day
and
gone
the
next.
We
had
a
wonderful
citizen
who
died
unexpectedly
within
the
last
six
months.
Who
would
come
to
all
of
our
meetings?
He
was
there.
F
F
B
D
J
Helped
me
understand
what
I
was
saying
that
when
I
started
out
with
the
public
arts
and
cultural
commission
and
there's
usually
like
one
meeting
where
the
city
council
representative
will
show
up
and
then
not
be
there
and
I've
seen
the
resources,
the
ability
to
for
the
public
arts
and
culture
commission
diminish,
because
there's
simply
not
enough
staff
resources,
and
this
I
think
the
supplies
pretty
much
throughout
the
commissions
that
I've
been
working.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
you've
kind
of
made
an
argument
for
what
I
was
thinking.
J
It's
important
to
to
be
able
to
have
an
input,
and
there
is
a
lot
of
frustration
that
a
lot
of
these
commissions
and
that
that
have
particular
interests,
their
interests
are
not
being
mapped,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
it
is
because
they're
stretching-
and
I
think
I
really
do
agree-
that
this
restructuring
is
important
so
that
we,
the
the
interests
that
are
being
that
people
put
a
lot
of
interest
and
effort
in
are
not
being
met.
So
I
got,
I
think
that
we
need
to
construct.
J
We
need
this
restructuring
and
we
need
to
put
our
resources
where
they
can.
They
matter
in
the
accounting.
D
I
I'll
just
be
quick
and
thank
y'all
for
your
input,
because
I
really
hope
we
don't,
as
a
commission,
shut
this
down
before
it
has
time
to
be
heard,
I
mean
y'all.
Haven't
some
of
you've,
never
even
heard
it.
I
think
only
two
of
you
have
seen
a
powerpoint.
I
mean
this
is
a
real
starting
place.
It's
not
a
and
I'm
not
sure
what
mr
fletcher
was
calling
it.
I
forgot
the
word
that
it's
it's
not
already
written,
I
mean
you
got
to
start
somewhere.
I
It
can't
be
a
blank
piece
of
paper,
so
I
appreciate
y'all
continuing
to
lean
into
this
and
work
on
it
and
how
it
can
be
better
and
making
suggestions
along
the
way.
I
mean,
that's
really
all
I'm
seeking
as
a
counselor
that
has
to
weigh
on
this.
You
know
I
love
this
commission.
I've
loved
all
the
boards
I'm
on
and
change
is
hard,
but
I
know
I'm
keeping
an
open
mind
until
I
hear
from
everyone
about
how
it
looks
and
how
it
feels
and
what
it
could
be.
So
I'm
not
gonna.
L
L
The
endpoint
is
defined
and
asking
us
what
we
think
of
it,
rather
than
asking
for
in
like
a
real
analysis
of
our
situation
and
where
we
can
go
is
is
not
is
actually
not
the
kind
of
process
that
I
think
is
going
to
be
successful
like
maybe
we
wind
up
exactly
where
we
are
right
now,
but
the
process
that
got
it
here
is
not
gonna
it
does.
It
has
we're
not
gonna
get
community
buy-in.
L
If
we
do
it
this
way
without
community
buying
we're
not
gonna,
get
trust,
we're
not
satisfying
our
comprehensive
plan.
One
of
the
metrics
of
our
comprehensive
plan
is
a
more
inclusive
community
engagement
process
that
includes
a
greater
number
of
underrepresented
citizens
involved
in
planning
processes.
L
How
we're
not
we're
not
going
to
get
there
with
this
plan
and
I'm
deeply
skeptical
that
a
that
a
council
driven
process
is
going
to
be
superior
for
the
community
than
a
community
driven
process.
And
so,
if
we,
if
we're
going
to
get
there,
we're
going
to
get
there
together.
And
this
is
not
a
together
plan.
D
We
need
to
keep
moving
so
one
way
or
another.
I
wanted
to
have
this
discussion.
I
wanted
to
give
an
an
impact.
I'm
I'm
not!
I
don't
know
what
motion
I
would
be
comfortable
making,
especially
since
most
of
you
haven't
even
seen
the
powerpoint
or
anything
like
that
at
this
point
in
time
I
want
to
present
it
to
you,
wanted
to
give
staff
a
chance
to
kind
of
frame
it
a
little
bit
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
dana
said
she
will
put
links
to
the
powerpoint
and,
I
think
dana.
D
Could
you
also
put
that
fact?
There's
a
frequently
asked
questions
thing
in
there
if
you
put
both
of
those
into
the
report
so
that
everybody
can
see
what
what's
going
on
and
then
you
can
kind
of
decide
what
to
do
from
there
and
I
dana
I
wasn't
clear
when
we
left
that
meeting
what
the
what
the
city's
proposing
for
next
steps
and
what
the
timeline
was.
I
I
didn't
have
a
clear
sense
of
where
we
are
and
how
you
know
how
quickly
this
is
happening
or
not
happening.
C
Well,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
good
discussion
at
those
meetings
and
so
staff
is
working
on
sorting
through
all
of
that,
and
I
hope
I
hope-
and
I
just
talked
to
the
city
clerk's
office
this
morning-
that
by
early
next
week,
we'll
have
a
clear
schedule
laid
out
of
next
steps
for
engagement.
So
we
should
have
that
really
soon.
I've
already
added
a
link
to
the
powerpoint
in
the
downtown
update
report
and
I'll
add
a
link
to
the
faq
as
well
and
appreciate
the
discussion
today.
D
D
Okay,
all
right,
our
next
item
of
business
is
officer
elections,
and
I
don't
know
who
runs
that
is
that
me
steven
lee,
wonderful,
take
it
away.
A
Okay,
thank
you
chairman.
So
the
nominating
committee
consisted
of
myself
and
ruth
summers.
Chairman
mothed,
the
nominee
committee
submits
the
following
nominations
for
chair
and
vice
chair
for
chair.
There
is
one
nomination
presently
and
that
is
brian
mothed.
Our
current
acting
chair
for
vice
chair.
There
are
two
nominations
and
we're
lucky.
There
are
two
very
well
qualified
nominations
and
we're
grateful
andrew
fletcher
and
guiller
rodriguez.
A
We
all
know
brian
very
well,
andrew
and
guillau.
There
are
two
on
the
nominations
right
now.
I
thought
it
would
be
good
if
maybe
you
each
spent
a
moment
and
just
said
a
word
about
your
ability
to
serve
in
this
capacity.
L
Oh
geo
old
friend,
you
recruited
me
for
a
public
art
and
cultural
commission
years
ago.
I
I
appreciate
that
I
didn't
know
you
were
a
fellow
nominee
I
I
have
actually
served
as
vice
chair
before
I
was
a
vice
chair
for
a
year
and
served
as
the
interim
chair
after
sage
was
elected
to
city
council,
and
so
I
I
can
run
a
meeting.
I
can
make
sure
that
the
work
of
the
committee
is
done.
L
I've
been
involved
in
some
of
the
most
difficult
conversations
the
city
has
had
in
a
leadership
role,
directing
conversations
with
the
haywood
page
task
force.
Many
of
you
saw
me
work
there
and
that
skill
set
that
I
brought
to
those
conversations
will
will
I,
I
think,
be
very
helpful
in
a
reserve
capacity
under
chair
moffitt
and
I
am
happy
to
bring
a
non-design
perspective.
L
We've
got
a
strong
design
perspective
on
the
council
and
I'm
happy
to
bring
a
non-design
perspective
to
council
and
in
in
a
broad
view
of
of
what
the
community
is
talking
about
outside
of
the
outside
of
the
design
world,
because
I
think
that
is
a
very
important
input
to
a
a
group.
Like
ours,
that
has
a
a
broad
and
geographic
focus
rather
than
a
topical
focus,
and
so
that
is,
that
is
what
I
bring
to
the
table
and
I'd
appreciate
all
of
your
support.
J
J
I
was
chair
of
the
asheville
downtown
design
center
when
haywood
page
was
there.
I
have
worked
on
I've
been
a
commissioner
on
the
urban
forester
commission.
I
served
two
terms
on
the
asheville
zoning
and
planning
commission,
I'm
currently
on
downtown
commission.
I've
just
been
appointed
to
the
board
of
the
of
asheville
greenworks.
J
I
have
a
long
established
relationship
and
I've
been
able
to
work
with
committees
and
so
in
terms
of
being
able
to
just
professionally
run
this
and
serve
as
as
a
vice
player.
I
think
I'm
very
qualified.
J
I
I
have
a
great
respect
for
andrew
one
of
the
reasons
I
brought
him.
I
asked
him
to
serve
on
the
public
arts
and
culture
commissions
because
he
brought
a
unique
point,
so
I
I
am
honored
to
serve
if
elected
and
I'm
very
capable
of
serving.
If
elected
and
if
not,
I
think
we're
capable
hands
with
with
andrew,
so
please
don't
take.
This
says
that
I
I
am
very
capable
of
serving
in
both
capacities
and
happy
to
her
to
work
with
both
of
you.
A
D
Sure
so
are
there
any
other
nominations,
anyone
about
to
nominate
anyone
else
and
I
believe
we
allow
self
nominations.
If
our
recall,
our
rules
correctly.
F
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
not
nominating
myself
and
not
interested,
but
I
will
also
say.
F
O
B
D
Right,
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
for
andrew
first
sound,
fair
everybody.
Okay
for
for
andrew
fletcher,
please
indicate
by
saying
robin
go
ahead.
I'm
sorry.
D
B
All
right,
okay,
all
right,
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Andrew.
D
G
B
B
I'm
I'm
sticking
with
guillo,
okay,
all
right
ruth
andrew
fletcher,
all
right
and
sage.
D
L
Gio
I
should
have,
I
should
mostly
to
gil
yeah.
I
I
should
have
called
you
this
week,
geo
that
I
that
was
awkward.
My
my
friend.
J
Just
I
I
I
have
the
greatest
respect
for
you,
andrew
and
so
great
congratulations.
Thank
you.
B
B
Oh
yeah,
I
guess
so.
D
Oh
yeah,
were
there:
were
there
any
nominations
on
the?
We
should
do
that.
The
nominations
on
the
floor
for
chair
as
well.
So
are
there
any
nominations
on
the
floor
for
chair?
Please.
D
Sorry
clearly,
clearly,
not
okay.
Do
we
need
to
vote.
I
don't
know
megan.
If
there's
dana,
I
I
think
we
should
vote.
Oh
crap,
okay,
fine,
we'll
just
do!
Do
you
accept
the
do.
You
accept
the
the
the
the
the
one,
the
one
choice
you
have
andrew.
A
D
No
not
really
ruth.
D
I
D
Of
course,
of
course,
happy
to
help.
That's
really
what
I
want
to
do
is
just
be
helpful,
make
sure
everybody's
getting
heard
and
with
that
we
will
move
into
updates
and
reports
and
folks
we're
coming
up
on
our
quitting
time.
I
appreciate
you
sticking
with
us
if
you
can
stick
with
us
for
about
10
more
minutes
or
so
I
think
we
can
wrap
up
steven
lee
design
review
committee
update.
A
Thank
you
I'll
make
this
brief.
Hi
chairman
moffitt.
There
were
four
projects
that
the
review
committee
reviewed
on
december.
Excuse
me
january
20th.
I
think
all
of
them
have
been
before
this
group.
I
missed
him
corrected
on
that,
but
48
south
market
downtown,
which
is
a
reuse
and
renovation
of
a
historic
building.
It
received
a
favorable
recommendation
from
the
committee
123
haywood
street
you've
seen
that
as
well.
A
It
had
been
back
for
several
adjustments
and
it
received
a
favorable
review,
the
avery
apartment
project
that
you've
seen
at
363
hilliard.
I
think
we.
A
Three
times-
and
there
was
a
lot
of
work
that
went
into
that
one,
a
lot
of
work
and,
in
the
end,
a
favorable
recommendation
was
sent
to
planning
and
zoning
and
planning
and
zoning
approved
it.
Well,
I
stand
corrected
on
that,
not
officially
at
the
meeting
a
favorable
recon
recommendation
was
not,
but
the
in
the
end.
I'm
just
going
to
say
this
in
the
inn:
planning
and
zoning
approved
the
developer
continued
to
work
up
until
the
pnc
meeting
on
specific
items,
and
I
think
they
achieved
the
primary
goals
we
were
looking
for.
D
That
was
an
informal
review
if
I
recall,
or
a
preliminary
or
whatever
they,
we,
we
call
it
and
we
gave
them
feedback
that
the
proposed
design
was
too
permanent
of
a
of
a
fixture
to
not
be
in
com
con.
D
You
know
congruence
to
use
a
term
of
art
with
the
with
the
existing
building
or
with
the
that
use
and
that
they
basically
needed
to
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
a
bit
and
come
up
with
something
that
was
either
much
lighter
and
less
permanent
or
more
in
congruence
with
the
building
robin.
Am
I
characterizing
that
correctly.
A
All
right,
the
last
thing
was
that
I
think
this
is
available
easily
online,
but
there's
a
draft
report
that
was
sent
to
city
council
for
being
prepared
for
city
council
that
just
reviewed
what
the
drc
participated
in
in
2021
and
that's
the
end
of
the
report.
M
M
We
do
hope,
as
we
move
forward
with
the
project,
that
I
told
you
about
last
month,
highlighting
the
importance
of
downtown
that
we
can
do
a
resident
survey
working
with
some
partner
organizations
and
also
a
city
resident
resident
sentiment
survey.
So
this
one
right
now
focused
on
businesses,
those
of
you
that
have
businesses
in
downtown
also
your
employees,
folks
that
you
know,
I
think,
can
get
a
different
perspective
from
people
who
work
downtown
rather
than
the
business
owners.
So
that's
important
as
well.
M
The
results
of
that
will
be
shared
at
our
state
of
downtown
luncheon,
which
is
march
8th.
Hopefully
you
all
can
attend.
We
are
going
back
to
a
limited
in-person
event
and
then
I'm
working
on
whether
we'll
record
or
live
stream
that
it
also
features
presentations
from
the
mayor
and
buncombe
county
commission,
chair,
ronnie,
newman
on
their
work
and
initiatives
and
priorities
for
downtown
in
2022.
M
M
This
is
pretty
disappointing
to
hear,
and
it's
almost
something
I
hear
from
from
all
different
types
of
business
owners,
homeless,
resource
providers,
residents
all
alike,
the
issues
that
we're
having
with
the
29
hayward
street
restrooms
being
closed.
So
I
would
encourage
all
of
you
to
voice
your
support
for
a
permanent
public
restroom,
24-hour
public
restroom
facility
in
downtown
directly
to
council,
and
please
encourage
others
to
do
so.
I
would
even
encourage
us
as
a
commission
to
provide
that
support
for
public
restroom
facilities.
M
That's
a
you
know,
a
big
challenge
in
downtown
and
is
causing
a
lot
of
issues
for
folks
and
then.
Lastly,
we
put
out
our
wristband
partner
applications
this
week
as
well.
This
is
for
our
big
events.
The
nonprofit
provides
volunteers
to
sell
wristbands
and
we
provide
them
with
a
donation
of
two
thousand
dollars.
So
please
share
that
with
any
nonprofits
and,
lastly,
our
food
vendor
application
is
also
out.
I
Not
an
update
yet
okay,
I
appreciate
you
bringing
it
up
and
I
would
I'm
fighting
hard
for
restroom
for
a
restroom.
I
don't
think
we're
gonna
get
to
and
I'm
fighting
hard
for
this
and
listen
if
you
all,
as
a
downtown
commission,
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
support
the
need
for
an
outdoor,
24,
7,
fort
and
lou
in
downtown.
I
would
love
that
after
this
meeting,
so
you
all
know,
I
summarize
what
has
happened.
I
point
out
any
issues.
I
D
All
right,
let's
go
through
andrew
hi
powell,.
B
D
A
D
Well
done
all
right,
our
megan,
were
you
done,
I'm
sorry,
okay,
public
space
management
committee
update
and
then
downtown
update
report,
dana.
C
Thank
you,
public
space
management
committee.
We
had
really
hoped
andrew,
had
really
encouraged
us
to
try
to
get
a
meeting
done
before
today,
which
we
have
not
been
able
to
do,
but
we
have
made
progress
on
getting
folks
to
apply
to
participate
on
that
committee,
so
we
have
13
applications
at
this
point,
we're
missing
just
a
few
slots.
C
We
need
someone
that
participated
in
the
avl
shares
space
program,
a
business
owner,
ideally
someone
that
had
a
parklet.
We
need
a
pnz
rep.
We
had
some
interest,
but
that
person
hasn't
submitted
their
form
yet
so
I
need
to
follow
up
urban
forestry,
commission
rep
and
an
accessibility,
expert
or
advocate,
or
someone
with,
with
particular
perspective,
on
accessibility
issues
and
needs.
So
I'm
going
to
work
really
hard
today
to
try
to
get
those
slots
filled,
and
I
hope
that
early
next
week
I'll
be
sending
out
a
doodle
poll
for
scheduling.
C
So
I
hope
that
that
committee
can
meet
in
the
next.
You
know
two
and
two
weeks
or
so
that's
what
I'm
shooting
for.
So
that's
the
update
there.
Does
anyone
have
questions
about
that
before
I
move
on
downtown
update
report
I'll
pull
this
up,
so
you
know
what
links
are
in
there.
C
C
Wanna
make
sure
everyone's
aware
that
we
did
submit
the
downtown
commission's
annual
report
and
thanks
everyone
for
your
work
on
that
we
kind
of
massaged
some
of
the
language
that
had
been
discussed
at
the
last
meeting.
We
did
send
that
out
in
advance.
We
didn't
hear
any
further
feedback
from
anyone,
so
you
can
find
that
final
copy
of
the
annual
report
and
that
does
go
to
city
council
and
in
advance
of
their
retreat
coming
up
in
march
homeless
initiatives.
C
So
there
were
some
questions
by
email
between
last
meeting
and
this
meeting
I've
gone
ahead
and
compiled
the
questions
and
answers
to
those
questions
in
a
pdf
document.
Here
I
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
look
at
that,
I
think
I'll
start
with
just
letting
you
all
know
that
that
is
available.
At
this
point,
I
do
encourage
you
to
read
all
of
it.
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
that
topic.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
for
compiling
all
these
answers,
and
you
know
I
just
wanted
to
jump
in
since
I'm
new
here,
but
you
know,
when
I
announced
kind
of
like
publicly
that
I'm
joining
this
commission,
the
one
thing
I
got
the
with
many
many
requests,
and
many
many
people
reached
out
is
about
the
issue
with
homelessness
downtown.
This
is
a
big
problem
and,
while
pergolas
are
super
important
too
our
safety
downtown
and
walking
downtown
and
me
walking
with
my
kids
downtown.
E
That
is
it's.
It's
it's
it's
it's
not.
We
don't
feel
safe
there
at
this
point,
so
I
think
the
city
needs
to
do
more
about
it.
Looking
at
kind
of
like
the
available
material
out
there,
it
looks
like
the
problem
is
increased
since
the
five-year
plan,
so
we
might
have
increased
like
we
that
there
probably
some
good
that
was
done
out
there
around
the
wellness
of
the
of
the
population,
but
what
about
kind
of
like?
What
about?
What
are
we
doing
to
reduce
homelessness
downtown?
E
E
We
don't
have
a
new
five-year
plan
at
this
point
and
I
have
yet
to
see
an
actual
objectives
and
measures
for
reducing
kind
of
like
homelessness,
downtown
so
key
important
for
me
and
for
everyone
that
reached
out
to
me
so
I'll
keep
bringing
it
up.
Thank
you.
D
Okay,
we'll
we'll
have
a
quick
discussion,
dana
and
then
we'll
jump
back
in
ruth
and
then
guillot
sage
and
andrew
ruth
first.
H
H
They
they
helped
create
1150
new
housing
units,
but
they
will
be
paying
to
have
this
consultant
come
in
and
it's
not
going
to
be
a
one-day
person
that
comes
in
just
for
a
day,
they're
going
to
be
here
for
quite
a
few
days
or
as
long
as
it
takes
to
come
up
with
some
solutions,
and
they
will
be
an
expert
in
this
issue
so
just
wanted
to.
Let
people
know
that.
J
Some
of
you
have
have
seen
me
downtown
in
my
new
capacity,
I'm
working
as
a
security
staff
for
access,
and
I
I
have
the
comments.
They
don't
know
that
I'm
part
of
the
downtown
commission
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
have
had
so
many
visitors
comment
on
their
feeling
of
the
safety.
J
Their
perception
that
downtown
is
no
longer
safe
because
of
the
homeless.
That
is
that
has
happened
in
the
last,
maybe
five
or
six
years
as
long
as
I've
been
associated
with
downtown.
I've
never
really
heard
that
until
recently-
and
that
is
shocking
to
me
because
to
me
downtown
is
not
unsafe.
It's,
but
now
I'm
hearing
through
a
different
lens
as
sort
of
an
ambassador
in
a
way
of
people
visiting,
and
I
share
that
concern
I'm
beginning
to
change
my
my
views
and
I'm
listening.
J
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
it
out
there
that
people
visiting
downtown
from
out
of
out
of
the
city
do
not
feel
safe,
whether
it's
the
perception
or
the
reality
perception
is
reality.
So
I
just
wanted
to
push
that.
Put
that
out
there.
Thank
you
sage.
I
I
was
going
to
share
along
the
lines
with
ruth,
so
the
county,
the
city
and
dog,
voter
kind
of
you
know
we're
kind
of
entering
into
this
arrangement
and
partnership
to
figure
out
to
tell's
point.
What's
the
whole
picture
and
what's
the
whole
plan-
and
you
know,
we've
learned:
I've
done
a
deep
dive
into
the
unhoused
community,
our
resources,
organizations
etc.
For
the
last
few
months,
I've
learned
as
much
as
I
can
there's
so
much
to
learn.
I
There
are
so
many
partners
and
organizations
and
volunteers
and
incredible
people
out
there,
but
there
is
like
similar
to
our
boards
and
commissions
discussion,
they're
working
in
silos.
There's
there
should
be
overlap,
they
need
each
other
they're,
not
interacting,
there's
a
whole.
It's
we
need
a
coming
together
and
a
large
picture
and
a
long-term
view,
and
that
is
what
dogwood
and
is
funding
for
us
to
do
to
take
on
this
grander
perspective
and
really
look
at
the
needs
of
people,
because
we
say
we
have
it's
a
problem
with
homelessness.
I
It
is
not
a
problem
with
the
homeless
right.
The
people
are
not
the
problem
that
the
life
that
the
way
that
we
have
allowed
this
problem
to
exist
is
more
of
the
infrastructure
and
cultural
problem
that
we
need
to
repair
a
lot
of
times.
People
need
help,
we've
seen
an
influx
of
different
kinds
of
drugs
in
our
community,
I'm
hearing
more
and
more
and
more
about
meth,
and
I
had
to
learn
about
meth.
I
don't
even
know
what
meth
is,
but
it's
a
it's
creating
a
different
environment.
I
We
have
new,
leaves,
we've
got
opioid
crisis
money
coming
into
the
community,
there's
a
lot
going
on
and
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
really
solve
it
until
we
figure
out
all
the
pieces.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
learning
more
to
do
better,
and
you
know
that's
a
really
interesting
perspective
you
just
shared.
I
I
may
call
you
afterwards
to
talk
about
it,
because
I'm
hearing
from
a
lot
of
downtown
businesses
and
organizations
and
even
visitors
email
me
about
concerns
that
are
similar
and
it's
hard
to
understand
if
it's
perception
or
reality
and
I'm
really
concerned,
I'm
concerned
about
our
downtown.
So
if
you
have
concerned
individually,
you
can
also
reach
out
to
me.
L
Yeah,
I
think
that
we're,
if
we're
considering
the
feelings
of
tourists
and
about
safety
first
rather
than
the
actual
safety
of
people
experiencing
homeless,
then
we're
doing
it
all
backwards.
Though
I
realize
that
maybe
when
it
affects
tourists,
then
then
we'll
take
it
seriously,
which
is
kind
of
disappointing
to
me
when
it
comes
down
to
it.
My
bank
account
has
more
in
common
with
the
homeless
than
the
tourists,
so
I've
been
I've
been
closer
to
homelessness
than
weekend
vacations
and
in
destinations.
L
You
know
elsewhere,
like
asheville,
so
I
I
kind
of
feel
a
little
differently
about
this,
and
I
also
work
downtown
and
and
and
see
these
and
see
these
things
too.
There's
actually
no
mystery
about
what
solves
homelessness
and
that's
housing.
There's
this
fantastic
article,
which
I'm
going
to
paste
in
the
chat
for
everyone
and
for
everyone
watching
at
home.
L
If
you
look
at
new
york
times
and
google
stephen
banks,
it's
a
fantastic
resource
about
the
experience
of
new
york
and
homelessness,
and
there's
this
great
quote
in
here
and
they
said
well,
you
know
what
does
it
take
to
comply
with
the
court
orders
that
to
to
shelter
folks?
He
says:
well,
you
need
services
to
prevent
homelessness.
You
need
decent,
adequate
shelter
for
people
who
need
it
and
you
need
a
way
to
provide
permanent
housing.
L
The
police
are
not
on
that
list
and
I'm
really
disappointed
to
see
that
the
city's
tool
for
dealing
with
homelessness
again
and
again
seems
to
be
shuffling
the
locations
of
homelessness
and
not
changing
the
conditions
that
are
leading
to
homelessness,
that
are
keeping
people
homeless
and
are
preventing
people
from
entering
permanent
housing.
L
There's
more,
we
can
do
it's
not
a
mystery
about
how
to
solve
to
solve
homelessness,
and
if
I
guarantee
you
that
if
the
people
experiencing
homelessness
were
made
safe,
then
all
the
tourists
would
feel
safe
too,
and
so
we
have
to
do
this.
We
have
to
be
solution
forward,
not
band-aids
with
badges
and
guns.
I
D
E
I
am
not
a
tourist
in
this
town
and
I
don't
feel
safe.
So
what
my
ask
is
that
we
put
the
town
and
the
citizens
of
this
town
and
consider
them
as
well
and
their
wellness
as
well.
So
I'm
not
a
tourist.
So
I'd
like
to
be
taken
into
consideration.
C
And
first
I'm
going
to
make
a
recommendation
to
consider-
and
that
is
you
know:
we've
pointed
out
that
there's
other
advisory
bodies
that
focus
on
homelessness,
there's
the
homeless
initiative
advisory
committee,
there's
the
affordable
housing,
a
affordable
housing
advisory
committee,
but
these
issues
very
clearly
are
relevant
to
downtown
and
the
unique
environment
that
downtown
is,
and
so
I
recognize
downtown
commission
probably
will
continue
to
have
a
lot
of
interest,
and
I
wonder
if
there's
someone
on
the
downtown
commission
so
part
of
what
you
all
are
charged
with
doing
is
coordinating
with
these
other
advisory
bodies
directly,
and
I
wonder
if
there's
someone
who
might
volunteer
to
be
kind
of
like
a
liaison
or
point
person
for
issues
related
to
homelessness
who
could
tune
in
to
these
other
advisory
meetings?
C
C
This
information
that's
happening.
I
think
it's
really
important
that
the
downtown
commission
stays
plugged
in
where
a
lot
of
this
work
is
actually
being
done.
So
not
that
you
all
have
to
know
today,
if
that's
something
you
want
to
do
or
who
that
might
be,
but
I
just
wanted
to
go
for
that
suggestion.
G
D
Yes,
I
I
think
so
I
think
this
is
something
that
obviously
downtown
policies
procedures,
our
recommendations
to
council.
I
mean
it
goes
into
a
lot
of
different
things
and
it's
a
multivariate.
D
I
mean
this
is
a
millennial,
old
problem.
It's
not
a
new
problem,
but
it's
it's
something
that
takes
a
lot
of
and
I'd
like
to
put
out
a
couple
things.
One.
D
A
lot
of
our
tourists
are
citizens,
they're,
they're,
very
nearby
tourists
and
a
lot
of
the
homeless.
Folks
are
citizens,
so
this
is
not
one
of
those
either
or
them,
and
us
kind
of
thing,
and
sometimes
law
enforcement
does
have
to
get
involved.
So
so
yeah,
it's
it's
there's
a
lot
of
components
to
this,
and
some
coordination
would
be
good.
So
thank
you
robin
megan
and
then
guillo,
and
then
we
really
need
to
move
on
because
I'm
monopolizing
your
mornings.
G
J
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
quick
comment
that
my
comments
about
what
I've
been
hearing
isn't
just
first
and
fore.
In
fact,
it's
I
would
say
it's
my
co-workers
who
live
in
asheville
who
live
in
the
area
and
these
are
and
even
employees
of
the
civic
center.
These
are
local
people
who
are
not
feeling
safe.
I
B
D
Okay,
thank
you
dana
and
thank
you
everyone
for
for
having
that
discussion
and
for
your
willingness
to
jump
in
and
and
be
part
of
the
solution.
Thank
you.
C
Great
and
just
another
thank
you
and
megan
and
robin
feel
free.
You
know
between
councilman
turner
and
I
we
can
help
direct
you
to
some
of
these
areas.
Groups
to
keep
up
with.
Thank
you
pack
square
plaza
improvements.
I
think
we
heard
enough
about
that
earlier,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
you
guys
are
aware.
There
is
a
project
page
on
that
project.
Page.
You
can
find
another
link
to
the
bid
opportunity
for
the
project
manager
and
a
lot
and
a
good
amount
of
background
information
too,
for
pac
square.
C
The
arpa
american
rescue
plan
act
funding
process.
So
sage
knows
70
or
so.
Proposals
came
in
through
the
call
for
proposals
that
the
city
did.
Applicants
had
an
opportunity
last
week
to
provide
two-minute
presentations
during
a
city
council
work
session.
That
project
page
was
just
updated
earlier
this
week.
So
I
just
want
to
let
you
all
know
that
the
presentation
at
the
work
sessions
is
available
and
the
list
of
all
projects
submitted
and
links
to
those
actual
applications
is
now
available
and
there's
a
kind
of
q.
C
I
wanted
to
let
you
guys
know
there
are
some
updates
just
released
in
the
last
couple
weeks
on
priorities
for
the
office
of
data
and
performance,
sorry
for
not
spelling
out
that
acronym,
but
wanted
to
direct
you
to
more
information
on
that
and
also
they're
doing
a
quarterly
newsletter
to
provide
updates
on
the
work
they're
doing.
And
so
I
thought
that
might
be
something
interesting
that
you
guys
might
want
to
tap
into.
C
Development
projects-
I
believe
we
already
discussed
this
with
design
review
committee
updates.
The
star
building
is
scheduled
to
go
to
the
design
review
committee
next
week.
Those
agendas
get
posted
really
early,
so
props
to
whichever
staff
person
shannon
or
will
that's
getting
that
done,
but
you
can
take
a
look
at
the
agenda
for
those
upcoming
design
review
committee
meetings
and
upcoming
council
next
meeting
scheduled
for
february
22nd.
C
It
will
be
in
person
as
far
as
I
understand,
363
hilliard
is
scheduled
to
go
to
city
council
for
review,
as
is
343
357
west
haywood
street,
and
we
can
you
all,
have
looked
at
363
hillyard.
You
didn't
review
the
west
haywood
project,
but
it's
pretty
close
to
downtown.
So
just
flagging
that,
for
you,
indoor
face
covering
requirements,
the
county
commission
is
scheduled
to
consider
whether
that
mandate
will
continue
at
their
meeting
on
tuesday.
So
the
current
order
does
expire
on
wednesday
of
next
week
and
board
restructure
proposal.
C
D
Very
much
so
I
don't
see
anybody
they've
been
pretty
free
with
their
hands.
So
if
they
had
a
oh
there,
we
go
ruth.
H
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
say
if
you
work
in
an
office
with
other
people,
if
they
would
send
a
letter
or
an
email
to
city
council
about
the
24
7
restrooms.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful,
so
just
wanted
to
remind
people
of
that.
D
Thank
you
future
agenda
items
we
will
have
parks
is
coming
to
update
us
in
march.
I
think
to
talk
about
some
of
their
their
their
understanding
and
plans
and
priorities,
south
side,
slight
south
side,
vision
plan
potentially
in
march.
If
we
can
get
everything
arranged
and
we
will
keep
talking
about
especially
now
that
robin
and
megan
are
going
to
kind
of
be
looking
at.
D
What's
going
on
with
different
initiatives,
we
will
try
to
stay
up
to
date
on
that
and
add
items
to
the
agenda
as
as
necessary
and
we're
going
to
keep
our
eye
on
this
boards
and
commissioning
restructure
piece.
So
that's
what
I
know
about
that.
Any
other
items
that
we
need
to
cover,
or
do
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.
D
Very
good,
all
in
favor
wave,
goodbye
and
log
off.
Thank
you
so
much.