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A
A
Today
we
have
presentations
regarding
design
related
feedback,
our
design
review
committee
for
four
point
sheraton
and
120
biltmore
avenue,
as
well
as
our
normal
updates
and
reports.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
today.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
our
committee
meetings
in
this
manner.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
downtown
commission
committee
page.
A
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
for
those
of
you
who
are
out
with
us
today
welcome.
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
our
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
for
everyone
on
on
the
on
the
call,
please
make
sure
to
mute.
Your
microphone,
if
you
are
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
you
would
like
to
speak
unmute
then
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
dane
barrager.
A
Yes,
I'm
wonderful,
very
good.
Thank
you
good
morning,
commissioner
franzi
chairman.
A
Good
morning,
commissioner
andrew
fletcher
rocking
the
stash,
where
is
he
there?
He
is
andrew
good
good
morning
good
morning.
I
think
commissioner
hunter
is
unable
to
join
us
this
morning.
Don't
see
her
is
that
correct?
Okay,
commissioner,
stephen
lee
johnson.
G
H
A
Morning
and
sage,
turner,
representing
city
council
and
now
out
of
the
gas
line.
A
To
help
our
audience
follow
along,
I
will
state
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
and
do
a
vocal
roll
call
for
each
vote.
Additionally,
commissioners,
you
know
this,
please
raise
your
hand
to
speak
and
I'll
try
to
call
upon
you
I'll
I'll
juggle
this
as
best
I
can.
This
morning
we
are
taking
public
comment.
A
I
believe,
is
this
the
right
time
to
announce
that
dana?
I
think
that's
right,
yes,
okay!
So,
in
addition
to
pre-recorded
and
or
emailed,
we
did
receive
one
item,
a
pre-recorded
note.
We
will
also
be
taking
live
public
comments
for
up
to
an
hour.
A
B
We
don't
have
any
live
callers
in
the
queue
at
this
moment.
We
do
have
approval
of
the
minutes
on
the
agenda
first,
so
we
may
want
to
just
check
back
after
getting
through
that.
A
Thank
you
all
right,
so
our
we
have
two
draft
minutes.
First,
one
from
our
february
26th
meeting
assume
everyone
has
been
able
to
read
that
do
we
have
any
corrections.
A
A
Can
I
have
the
same
two
folks
of
motion
in
second,
please.
A
J
I
agree,
commissioner,
chairman.
D
G
A
Okay,
we'll
come
we'll
we'll
leave
she's
coming
back
I'll,
come
right
back
to
her
commissioner
rodriguez.
K
D
K
A
Very
good-
and
I
vote
I
as
well
and
hi.
Yes,
thank
you
sage,
very
good.
That
is
our
our
the
the
minutes
are
approved.
So
again
we
will
be
looking.
I
think
everyone
should
have
a
copy
of
the
agenda
where
we're
going
to
look
at
update
rules
of
procedure,
we'll
do
some
project
review,
south
slope
vision,
plan
updates
and
then
our
updates
and
reports.
A
So
we
still
don't
have
any
callers
in
the
queue.
Is
that
correct,
correct?
Okay?
Is
this
the
proper
time
to
read
the
the
the
the
voicemail
that
we
received?
Do
we
need
to
read
that
or
just
forward
it.
B
A
Okay,
so
we
did
receive
a
transcript
of
a
voicemail
from
peter
landis
regarding
the
noise
ordinance,
and
so
we
can
discuss
that
when
we
get
down
to
that
part
of
the
of
the
report
in
our
agenda
very
good.
A
A
Okay,
so
we've
just
we
discussed
that
at
the
last
meeting
we
have
basically
a
change
to
article
in
article
six
sub
item
b
and
c,
a
change
for
temporary
subcommittees
and
working
groups.
Do
we
have
any
discussion
on
this
matter
or
any.
K
J
A
And
we
have
a
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
updates
to
the
rules
of
procedure,
so
I
will
go
through
the
roll
call
vote.
Commissioner
barriger
hi,
commissioner
chairman.
K
B
L
M
A
And
I
am
I
as
well:
the
motion
carries
with
one
no
vote,
all
right:
project
review
and
feedback
design
related
feedback.
So
I
I
think
you
folks
know
that
the
city
council
has
adopted
the
design
review
committee,
which
we'll
be
reviewing
essentially
all
design-related
projects
within
the
city
of
asheville.
A
I
think,
except
for
projects
within
the
historic
resources
district,
the
historic
districts
within
the
city
of
asheville,
so
that
that's
going
to
be
anything
in
the
downtown
district,
the
river
arts
district,
as
well
as
the
any
of
the
the
properties
or
projects
identified
as
part
of
the
the
new
hotel
ordinance.
A
Stab
at
this,
so
I
I
think
we're
all
going
to
be
figuring
it
out,
but
we
still
have
the
ability
to
make
comments
on
design
related
issues,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
we
focus
those
things
on,
as
they
relate
specifically
to
policies,
more
policy
or
even
process
related
design,
rather
than
just
reviewing
the
design
itself.
In
other
words,
I
believe
the
way
the
process
is
supposed
to
work
is
we
we
will
review
it.
A
Staff
will
then
communicate
any
of
our
issues
or
concerns,
or
or
just
notes
to
the
design
review
committee.
The
design
review
committee
will
review
it.
They'll
get
other
feedback
from
other
commission
committee
or
commissions,
and
then
they
will
take
that
to
planning
and
zoning
and
or
city
council
depending
on
the
project.
A
So
I
realize
that
probably
wasn't
as
clear
as
I'd
like
it
to
be.
Are
there
any
comments
or
questions
just
regarding
the
process?
Sasha,
do
you
want
to
correct.
M
Everything,
I
said:
no,
I
no
you're
not
wrong.
I
do
think,
though-
and
we
talked
about
this
with
the
riverfront
commission
last
night,
if
you
have
non-design
review,
concerns
or
comments,
and
so
for
one
of
these
projects,
it's
a
conditional
zoning
staff
will
take
those
comments
and
make
sure
planning
and
zoning
and
city
council
knows
about
them
as
well,
so
don't
feel
completely
hemmed
in
by
design
right.
So
we've
got
design
comments
going
to
design
review
committee.
We've
got
if
you've
got
real
non-design
concerns.
M
L
And
I
would
just
add
that,
even
for
level
twos,
I
think
it's
not.
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
comment
on
non-design
related
items
as
well.
That
can
either
help
influence
policy
or
development
requirement
changes
in
the
future,
or
it
could
just
simply
be
communicated
back
to
the
applicant
and
that's
something
that
they
could
potentially
consider
or
act
on.
A
Agreed,
I
meant
to
say
that
that
that
you
know
we
obviously
I
want
to
focus.
I
would
like
to
actually
focus
our
our
issues
on
so-called
non-design
or
overlapping
design.
I'll
say
I'll
put
it
that
way.
I
would
like
for
the
purely
design
issues
to
remain
with
the
design
review
committee,
whereas
our
discussion
should
be
related
on
policy
or
procedures
or
things
that
are
not
necessarily
design
related,
for
example,
the
the
the
use
of
the
project
or,
if
it's
conditional
zoning,
is
this
a
proper
use.
Is
this
a?
A
How
are
they
utilizing
the
property?
What
are
their?
What
are
their
projected
impacts,
economic
impacts,
parking
impacts,
noise
impacts,
those
kinds
of
issues,
any
others
you
can
think
of.
You
folks
know
your
your
your
constituency
better
than
I
do.
Does
that
make
sense
so
far
as
far
as
procedurally,
okay?
A
Well,
we'll
try
and
see
how
it
goes.
So.
Our
first
item
is
the
four-point
sheraton
mixed-use
development.
Hopefully,
you
all
have
had
the
ability
to
look
at
the
the
information
that
was
provided
to
us
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
whichever
staff
is
going
to
talk
us
talk
us
through
this
project.
Shannon,
yes,.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
good
morning,
commissioners,
I
am
presenting
from
home.
The
gas
crisis
has
limited
my
mobility,
hopefully
later
today
that
will
get
resolved,
but
I'm
presenting
from
home.
So
I
just
have
a
single
screen,
so
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen,
but
when
I
do
that,
I
cannot
see
your
faces.
So
if
you
need
me
to
pause
and
explain
anything
as
I
go,
if
you
could
please
just
speak
up
and-
and
let
me
know
and
I'll
pause
so
and
I
will
start
sharing
here.
L
Great
thank
you
had
to
scroll
back
to
the
beginning,
so,
as
a
chair
moffat
has
described,
this
is
our
first
go-round
with
getting
feedback
on
certain
development
projects
located
in
our
downtown
from
the
downtown
commission.
So,
just
as
a
reminder,
the
project
review
steps.
We
have
two
items
on
your
agenda
today:
conditional
zoning
and
a
level
two
and
the
first
handful
of
steps
are
the
same
for
both,
so
we
normally
will
start
with
informal
design
review.
This
will
be
something
that
we
are
exploring
or
will
be
exploring
with
our
new
design
review
committee.
L
L
The
first
step,
once
an
application
is
received,
will
be
technical
review
beyond
that,
once
approved
at
technical
review,
it'll
come
before
the
downtown
commission
for
your
feedback,
then
on
to
design
review
for
that
more
detailed
design,
review
step
and
then
on
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
If
it's
a
level
two
project
that
will
be
the
final
step,
it'll
end
at
planning
and
zoning
commission.
If
it's
a
conditional
zoning
it'll
move
on
to
city
council,
this
commission
will
also
see
level
ones
from
time
to
time.
L
I
didn't,
we
don't
have
any
on
today's
agenda,
but
the
review
steps
would
be
the
same.
Those
first
four
review
steps
would
be
the
same
except
technical
review,
instead
of
being
done
by
a
formal
committee.
It's
done
at
a
staff
level,
but
it's
still
the
same
review,
step.
L
L
There
are
approximately
155
or
so
units
in
that
edition,
so
residential
units,
I'm
saying
that
approximately
40
will
be
set
aside
as
extended
stay
suites.
We
don't
exactly
know
the
exact
number.
Yet
we
know
that
the
applicant
is
shooting
for
80
guest
rooms.
That
will
be
a
part
of
the
extended
stay
hotel.
L
However,
we
don't
know
how
many
of
those
units
are
two
bedrooms
or
one
bedrooms
or
three
bedrooms,
so
we're
just
kind
of
estimating
about
40
of
those
150.
Some
units
will
be
extended,
stay
suites,
whatever
that
number
ends
up
being
the
balance
will
be
residential
dwelling
units
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
mix
of
condominium
and
apartment
units.
L
Then,
at
the
ground
level
we
have
approximately
8
000
square
feet
of
commercial
or
non-residential
space,
and
the
project
also
proposes
a
mix
of
structured
and
surface
parking
so
for
context,
provided
some
aerial
imagery.
You
can
see
the
four
point
sheraton
project
there
in
the
middle
of
the
property.
We're
in
the
middle
of
the
screen
to
the
south
is
woodfin
to
the
east,
is
central
avenue
and
then
to
the
west
is
the
on-ramp
to
240
east?
L
The
existing
driveway
cut
on
woodfin
remains
to
that
and
it
goes
to
that
surface
parking
lot
there.
On
the
west
side.
I
think
from
what
I
recall
that
entrance
does
shift
a
little
bit
to
the
east
in
order
to
kind
of
provide
a
little
bit
more
room
and
space
to
cueing
traffic.
Getting
onto
that
i240
ramp.
L
That's
also
proposed
on
woodfin
that
enters
into
the
parking
structure
and
then
the
vehicular
entrance
on
central
avenue
into
that
north
parking
area
remains
in
the
same
location,
approximately
the
same
location,
another
change
on
woodfriends
woodfin
street
that
I'd
like
to
point
out
as
a
result
of
this
project
is
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
reduce
the
lanes
on
that
north
side
or
the
would
be
the
westbound
side
from
two
lanes
to
one
and
in
order
to
accommodate
some
on-street
parking
and
to
provide
sort
of
a
nice
generous
pedestrian
zone.
L
This
project
does
require
a
tia
we're
still
waiting
for
the
results,
so
this
is
something
that
could
potentially
change
as
a
result
of
the
tiaa
and
further
discussion,
but
at
this
time
we're
including
it
in
the
project.
L
I
don't
care,
I
don't
know
if
it's
woodfin
place
or
woodfin
street,
so
I'll
have
to
double
check
that,
but
you
can
see
the
ground
level
retail
there
at
the
street
level
there,
the
few
parking
spaces
that
are
proposed
to
be
added
on
street.
You
can
see
there
on
the
right
hand
side
of
the
screen,
but
we
basically
have
a
seven
story.
Building
here
on
the
street.
L
You
know
with
that
that
ground
level
the
step
backs
have
also
been
provided.
That
would
normally
be
required
for
a
downtown
project
and
they're
provided
on
the
end.
So,
on
the
right
hand,
side
would
be
the
intersection
with
central
avenue,
and
you
can
see
the
project
steps
back
from
that
side.
L
Turning
the
corner
on
central
avenue,
you
have
the
same
seven
stories
on
that
are,
on
that
left
hand
side
that
kind
of
front
on
woodfin,
but
you
see
the
elevation
start
to
drop
along
central
avenue
and
you
pick
up
some
additional
stories
and
some
additional
sort
of
just
foundation,
or
you
know,
kind
of
just
visual
impact.
L
You
also
I'll
point
out
see
the
end
of
the
existing
hotel,
that
is,
that
sort
of
blank
wall
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
the
screen,
and
because
of
that,
this
project
will
be
required
to
request
some
modifications
or
exceptions
to
the
downtown
design,
standards
for
fenestration
blank
wall
and
also
setbacks.
But
it's
to
accommodate
that
existing
hotel
building.
L
The
applicant
has
attempted
to
mitigate
some
of
that
with
the
this
terraced
wall
that
you
kind
of
see
in
the
middle
of
the
screen
here
with
some
vegetation
and
along
both
woodfin
and
central
avenue,
we
do
have
nice
wide
sidewalk
that
will
be
rebuilt
as
part
of
the
project,
then
turning
the
corner.
L
Looking
at
the
back
of
the
building,
basically
from
I-240.
This
would
be
the
view
from
the
parking
lot
or
I-240
here.
You
start
to
see
some
of
those
additional
stories
at
the
tallest,
it's
11
stories,
and
you
can
see
how
you
know
where,
where
the
elevation
drops
off,
we
pick
up
those
additional
stories
and
then,
lastly,
on
the
west
elevation,
this
is
on
the
ramp
side.
L
You
can
see
again
some
of
that
additional
height,
but
you
can
see
it
start
as
we
get
closer
back
to
woodfin.
It
starts
to
drop
and
scale
again
on
that
right
side
of
the
building
the
I
should
pause
here
too
and
just
point
out
that,
in
addition
to
some
exceptions
for
fenestration
and
blank
wall
and
setback
on
the
central
side,
this
project
will
also
require
an
exception
or
a
modification
for
the
horizontal
width
or
the
horizontal
dimension
of
a
building.
L
When
for
the
stories
that
are
above
75
feet,
the
downtown
code
limits
that
to
145
feet,
there's
a
couple
elevations
on
this
project
that
exceed
that
145
feet
above
75
feet,
so
that
will
be
a
requested
modification
as
well
as
part
of
this
project.
L
A
It'll
be
really
difficult
not
to
talk
about
design,
so
you
said
the
the
traffic
impact
analysis
has
been
not
not
been
submitted
yet.
Is
that
correct.
L
L
They,
the
last
we
heard,
is
that
there
was
a
proposal
to
include
the
earth
fair,
that,
like
kind
of
micro
earth
fare
it
as
the
that
main
commercial
piece
at
the
ground
level.
But
as
far
as
our
consideration
is,
you
know
meeting
the
downtown
requirements.
We
just
refer
to
it
as
like
non-residential
commercial
retail
space,
so
it
could
be
a
different
retailer,
but
the
last
we
heard
from
the
applicant
that
was
the
plan.
E
You
just
to
make
sure
I
understand
exactly
what
it
is,
we're
doing,
we're
not
providing
design
feedback
or
questions
regarding
design.
This
is
more
of
an
informative
review
of
what
has
been
submitted,
shannon.
L
E
E
On
the
link-
and
maybe
I'm
missing
it
but
really-
and
if
the
design
team
is
here,
I
just
had
a
question
about:
does
the
elevation
did
elevation
show
where
the
cooling
tower
will
be
screened
and
what
that
will
look
like?
Has
that
been
developed?
I
guess
that's
the
first
question.
L
E
Okay,
my
next
question
I
know
there
was
had
been
talk
earlier
about
a
portion
of
one
of
the
roofs
having
a
green
roof
component.
Are
there
any
components
now
that
are
shown
in
this
middle
to
trc.
L
L
I
I
so
you
know
the
applicant
submitted
a
revision,
a
a
revised
set
of
drawings
after
trc,
and
that
is
what
we
linked
the
agenda
to
so
I
don't.
I
thought
there
were
site
plans
in
that,
but
we
may
have
missed
it
and
if
that's
the
case,
I
can
go
back
and
enter
them.
If
anybody
wants
to
look
at
them
later.
L
E
My
last
point-
and
this
is
for
sasha
as
well,
because
I
know
she-
and
I
have
been
talking
about
this-
but
if
I
know
there's
probably
sidewalk,
details
that
are
going
in
this
they're
also
in
the
project
that
we're
reviewing
next,
so
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
ask
the
question
because
it
seems
to
be
the
same
design
team,
but
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
the
designer
the
downtown
commission
consider
making
the
recommendation
to
staff
that
the
sidewalk
construction
detail
reference.
What
was
recently
installed
on
haywood
street
in
terms
of
scoring.
E
I
think
both
of
these
projects
are
still
are
showing
what
has
been
typically
approved
but
sasha.
You
probably
know
what
I'm
talking
about,
but
the
scoring
that
we've
been
talking
about
what
is
was
installed
on
haywood
street,
I
think
is,
is
a
is
a
much
better
solution
and
it
still
achieves
the
same
visual
look.
I
think
it's
it's
a
lot
cleaner
and
easier
to
keep
clean,
and
so
I'd
like
to
throw
that
out
there
just
as.
L
E
Correct
and
then
across
the
board,
I
noticed
some
concrete
going
in
on
a
project
this
morning
downtown
and
it's
still
the
same
old.
It's
the
same
scoring
pattern
that
we've
all
been
using
and
the
saw
cutting
is
just
a
much
better
way
to
go
rather
than
the
physical
score.
Yeah.
D
E
And
so
for
the
rest
of
the
commissioners,
what
we're
talking
about
is
just
instead
of
having
a
tooled
joint
in
the
concrete
that
makes
that
herringbone
pattern.
It
is
a
saw,
cut
joint,
that's
a
lot
easier
for
disabled
pedestrians
or
and
also
keeping
clean.
So
but
a
very
minor
point,
that's
my
last
comment.
Thank
y'all.
A
C
C
Maybe
we
should
forward
that
over
to
the
new
design
committee
that
should
be
adopted
for
downtown
as
a
standard
so
that
you
know
that
goes
to
all
the
developers
when
they
first,
you
know,
start
their
projects
rather
than
in
the
middle
like
now,
but
I
do
think
that's
a
good
suggestion,
but
overall
I
like
this
project,
especially
because
it's
two
blocks
from
my
house.
C
You
know,
I
think
it's
good
to
have
the
residential
units
downtown,
as
opposed
to
just
hotels,
and
I
do
like
the
extended
stay
that
something
that
we're
lacking.
Currently,
you
know
we
have
plenty
of
tourist
hotels
at
600
a
night,
but
somebody
that's
coming
here
to
work
and
we
have
a
lot
of
construction
workers
in
town
these
days
working
on
various
projects.
L
Yeah,
the
applicant
has
actually
already
submitted
some
of
that
missing
information
and
so
that
the
report
just
hasn't
been
updated.
But
I
think
we
have
most
of
what
we
need
to
move.
N
Yeah
I
gotta
say
this
is
really
hard
when
our
only
source
of
information
is
the
trc
documents
and
the
staff
reports,
because
the
staff
obviously
spend
time
on
it,
but
not
as
much
time
as
the
applicants
and
without
the
presence
of
the
applicants
here
to
really
fill
in
the
color
on
these
sketches.
It
can
be.
N
I'd
also
like
to
note
that
the
this
is
probably
my
only
chance
to
take
a
little
credit
for
for
one
of
the
contributions
here
that
I'm
personally
proud
of
it's
lined
up
with
a
lot
of
the
the
work
that
I've
done
in
the
city,
which
is
expanding
public
space,
expanding
sidewalks
and
the
little
mini
road
diet
on
woodfin
was
an
idea
that
I
I
suggested
to
the
applicant
and
I'm
very
glad
to
see
that
the
idea
has
had
legs
and
and
has
moved
on
here.
N
I
was
inspired
by
what
was
the
good
work
that
was
done
on
charlotte
street
to
look
at
how
we
could
take
a
four-lane
highway
here,
take
this
opportunity
to
partner
with
a
private
developer
and
ask
them
to
use
some
more
that
asphalt
to
give
it
to
pedestrians
and
other
uses.
So
I'm
really
pleased
to
see
that
that
idea
has
had
legs
and
will
continue
to
go
on.
I'm
a
little
dismayed
to
see
the
incorporation
of
hotel
use
here,
the
addition
of
hotelies,
which
was
a
new
which
is
a
newer
feature
to
this
plan.
N
It
did
not
originate
originally,
so
my
my
enthusiasm
for
this
project
has
waned.
Some
as
the
use
of
the
project
has
changed
as
well,
but
as
I
believe
we're
not
voting
on
this,
I
believe
that's
a
moot
point.
Thank.
J
You
yeah.
K
This
is
a
little
bit
soon
because
we
just
had
a
meeting
of
the
our
open
space
subcommittee
yesterday.
But-
and
I'm
not
look-
I
didn't-
I
don't
have
the
the
sight
plant
in
front
of
me,
but
are
the
trees
planted
on
woodfin?
Are
they
going
to
be
in
a
tree
lawn
or
are
they
going
to
be.
L
I
so
it
will
be
a
combination
I
believe,
of
some
trees
planted
in
a
planting
strip
like
an
open
strip
and
then
some
in
tree
grates,
so
where
you
have
on
street
parking,
we
typically
like
to
have
trees
and
grates,
because
you
have
a
lot
of
people
getting
out
of
cars
and
walking
across
what
could
be
the
you
know
the
root
zone
of
a
tree
if
it
was
in
a
strip,
so
you've
got
some
strip
here
and
then
you've
got
maybe
a
little
bit
here.
L
Some
of
that
is
also
could
could
change
as
a
result
of
whether
or
not
these
spaces
stay
and
the
the
little
road
diet
is
approved
and
you
know
doesn't
create
any
issues
as
part
of
the
tia.
L
So
that's
that
is
still
something
being
adjusted,
but
whether
it's
in
a
strip
or
in
a
great
it'll
it'll
meet
some
basic
city
standards.
K
I
just
wanted
to
put
the
question
out
there
because
and
I'll
get
to
it
in
my
little
report
on
the
open
space,
but
we
would.
We
really
would
like
to
see
when
trees
are
are
planted
within
sidewalk
soil
in
this
sort
of
the
that's
it's.
You
know,
floating
sidewalk
system
to
use
the
silver
salt,
as
as
as
a
a
new
or
or
as
a
new
guideline
design
guideline
for
downtown.
That
was.
A
D
Yeah,
I
was
just
gonna
piggyback
on
that
comment
and
ask
so
where
the
on
the
south
side,
where
the
pool
is
right
now
and
that
buffer
of
trees
is
that's
all
going
to
be
removed
and
replaced
with
building.
Is
that
correct.
E
It
is,
I
would
like
to
add
guillo
with
your
comment
too,
during
the
design
review
portion
of
this.
We
did
encourage
the
site
team
to
consider
silver
cells
in
concrete.
That's
why
I
was
asking
where
I
don't
see
the
site
plan
so
usually
at
this,
usually,
if
we're
getting
kind
of
a
final
review,
we're
seeing
a
site
plan
with
exactly
what's
occurring
with
the
site
in
terms
of
the
street
tree
requirement.
E
So,
but
we're
trying
to
point
this
out
in
all
the
design
review
meetings,
but
I
completely
agree
that
a
lot
of
people
are
doing
it
now,
anyway,
putting
civil
sales
up.
We
kind
of
consider
that
it's
a
given.
You
have
to
do
it,
but
it's
just
not
mandated,
and
it
would
be
great
if
it
was
thank
you.
L
L
L
Here's
the
the
landscape.
G
L
Yeah,
so
an
extended
stay
includes
it's
basically
a
residential
unit.
It
has
bedrooms
bathroom
and
kitchen,
so
it
it
better
supports
a
quote-unquote
extended
stay.
L
G
Okay,
okay
and
then
just
quickly,
if
I
could
just
also
say
that
I
wanted
to
support
steven
lee's
suggestion
about
the
type
of
sidewalk
that
works
really
well
here
on
haywood
street
I've
seen
a
difference
and
then
just
thank
andrew
for
his
suggestion
to
narrow
woodfin
and
provide
more
pedestrian
space.
I
think
that's
an
asset
for
this
project
as
well.
A
Quick
clarification
because
maybe
I
didn't
understand-
I
see
you
sage,
I'm
sorry,
the
the
the
there's
150
room
existing
hotel.
Are
they
adding
hotel
rooms.
I
thought
they
were
keeping
that
the
same
number.
L
Right
so
the
the
existing
hotel
is
just
your
your
traditional
hotel
and
that
stays
as
is,
but
the
addition
the
new
building
edition,
will
have
some
150
units
of
those
150
plus
units
a
portion,
approximately
40
or
so
will
be
set
aside
as
those
condominiums
that
are
used
as
extended
stay
hotel
suites.
L
So
they
will
be
managed
with
the
150
room
hotel,
but
so
it
is
an
expansion
of
the
hotel
use
on
the
property,
but
the
existing
150
room
hotel
stays
the
same
and
it's
it's
part
of
the
new
construction.
That
is,
the
expansion.
A
Okay,
thank
you
sage
and
then
robin.
I
Has,
since
we're
talking
about
more
than
design,
have
any
price
points
been
mentioned
by
the
developer
or
any
for
sale,
condo
prices,
anything.
I
L
That's
that's
correct
so
and
and
that's
something
that
the
city
continues
to
discuss.
If,
whether
or
not
we
want
to
try
to
promote
and
allow
sort
of
a
broad
application.
J
I
L
F
I
was
basically
gonna
get
the
clarification
that
sage
had,
because
to
me
the
extended
stay
sounds
like
a
verbo.
I
mean
I
don't
know,
I'm
speaking
to
dane's
comment
about
how
great
this
would
be
for
construction
workers
and
things
like
that.
I
don't
know
who's
going
to
set
the
price
point.
So
if
it's
an
individual
condo
owner,
I
don't
understand
how
it's
different
than
a
verbo.
L
J
M
Hey,
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
wait
into
any
of
that
because
shannon's
the
expert,
but
I
just
wanted
to
tell
you
all
I
know
andrew
left,
he
had
to
go,
but
it's
absolutely
appropriate
for
you
all
to
weigh
in
and
send
a
message
to
council
and
it
didn't
have
to
be
at
this
meeting.
It
could
be
at
a
future
meeting
if
you
have
really
strong
feelings
about
the
added
hotel
use
here,
you
should
not
feel
constrained.
I
mean.
M
I
A
I
also
wanted
to
point
out
something
it
was
in
the
staff
report
and
I
think
it's
on
some
of
the
elevations.
We
when
we
did
the
initial
design
review
under
the
older
system
we
kept-
or
at
least
I
know
robin
and
I
did
kept
pointing
out
that
that
they
were
leaving
the
existing
blank
end
of
the
existing
hotel
building
along
central
untouched
and
we
kept
asking
them
to
to
do
something
about
it
and
they're
asking
for
a
so
this.
A
In
my
opinion,
this
is
where
we
can
as
the
and
should,
as
the
downtown
commission
weigh
in
so
when
they're
asking
for
a
variance
or
something
under
conditional
zoning,
and
it
is
a
design
issue,
but
it's
a
variance.
Then
this
is
appropriate
for
us
to
say
something,
and
I
still
don't
like
it,
and
I
just
like
to
communicate
that
as
strongly
as
possible
to
the
design
review
committee
that
we
asked
the
applicant
to
address
that
I
don't
buy
the
notion
that
they
can
spend.
A
However,
many
millions
of
dollars
on
the
whole
property
and
leave
this
little
wart,
I'm
facing
central
avenue.
So
I'll
stop.
F
K
A
Some
somebody
suggested
it
I
remember
hearing
it.
I
can't
remember
who
it
was.
I
still
don't
feel
like
it's
been
addressed.
I
don't
by
the
notion
that
you
can't
cut
in
windows.
You
can't
do
something
to
that
facade
to
make
it
to
incorporate
it
one
into
the
rest
of
what
they're
doing
I
just
it
just
looks
weird.
I
I'm
not
sure
I
understand
why
why
they
can't
address
that.
That's
just
me,
are
there
any
other?
This
has
been
a
good
discussion,
so
I
I'm
a
little
unclear
on
procedure
are.
L
There's
yeah
there's
no
vote,
we're
just
gonna,
take
the
feedback
that
you've
offered
and
distill
it
and
carry
it
forward.
The
design
review
related
or
the
design
related
comments
to
the
new
committee
and
then
for
other
concerns
we'll
make
sure
that
it
gets
shared
with
council
and
the
planning
zoning
commission.
H
A
B
I'll
just
say
and
sasha
kind
of
mentioned
this,
and
I
don't
know
if
she
said
it
specifically,
but
if
at
some
point,
whether
it's
this
project
or
a
future
project,
if
you
would
like
to
vote
on
a
resolution
specific
to
the
project,
you
know
we
can
pass
that
on
to
city
council.
So
we're
not
saying
that
there
can
never
be
a
vote
in
some
form
on
these
projects,
and
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there.
It's
a
work.
B
M
We
will
tighten
up
this
this
process
a
little
bit,
I
think,
and
so
maybe
and
when
we
were
listening
to
you,
we
can
come
up
with
a
bulleted
list
and
read
it
back
to
you
make
sure
we've
got
everything
and
I
don't
know
if
you're
going
to
meet
in
june.
But
if
you
did
meet
in
june
and
you
wanted
to
consider
because
obviously
y'all
didn't
come
prepared
to
make
a
resolution.
But
if
you
wanted
to
think
about
it
and
when
you
get
back
together,
you
know
I'm
not
sure,
shannon
won.
M
H
So
many
hotel
rooms-
I
guess
in
downtown
and
I'd
like
to
see
more
residential-
and
I'm
just
wondering
also
about
the
traffic
patterns
on
woodfin-
to
central,
because
in
the
afternoon
about
five
o'clock
in
the
afternoon,
there's
an
awful
lot
of
traffic
as
the
health
department
and
other
things
are
letting
out,
and
I
just
think
if
you
know
you
have
a
lot
of
residential,
you
have
more
and
more
cars,
you're,
looking
at
8
000
square
feet
of
commercial
space,
and
if
there
is
a
grocery
store
there
of
some
sort,
I'm
wondering
you
know
about
delivery
trucks,
tractor
trailers.
H
All
of
those
issues-
and
I
haven't
heard
anything
I
am
having
some
computer
issues,
so
I
can't
get
into
the
building
documents
right
now,
I'm
on
my
iphone.
So
I
apologize
if
they're
there.
But
those
are
my
big
concerns,
mostly
that
it's
more
apart,
more
more
hotel
rooms.
A
The
the
tia
is
in
the
original
is
in
one
of
the
submittals.
The
traffic
impact
analysis
from
was
made
in
craig,
and
their
conclusion
was
that
there
were
no
basically
no
changes
needed
to
be
made
that
the
the
roads
would
serve,
but
that
has
not
been
accepted
by
either
dot
or
the
city
of
asheville.
Yet
so
we'll
we'll
keep
a
handle
on
that
as
it
goes.
So
you
just
see
your
hand.
I
I
don't
think
this
is
an
existing
required
view,
but
I
would
love
to
I
think
I
saw
as
warren
on
yours
he
part
of
this
project.
I
would
like
to
see
the
view
coming
in
from
240
looking
at
this
building.
Do
you
remember
when
the
the
new
hotel
outside
the
tunnel
went
up?
We
lost
that
beautiful
shot
of
downtown.
I
I
L
A
So,
for
for
staff's
a
notation
for
future
downtown
commission,
those
kind
of
storyboard
images
are
really
useful
for
us
and-
and
it's
not
just
a
it's-
not
really
just
a
design
issue.
It
is
a
you
know.
How
is
this
impacting
adjacent
property
owners?
A
A
A
So
that's
a
and
I
and
I
I
understand
that
extended
stay
is
different,
but
I
it's
a
distinction
that
exists
on
paper
in
my
mind
more
than
anything
else,
so
I
would
like
each
commissioner,
if
you
haven't
already
spoken
on
it,
to
speak
to
that,
so
that
that
gets
communicated
clearly
to
counsel
what
the
whether
we
have
a
formal
vote
on
it
or
not.
I
don't
know
if
y'all
need
a
formal
vote
on
on
that
specific
issue,
but
please
speak
to
that.
If
you
would.
L
And
brian
you,
you
are
correct.
We
had
the
original
application
just
described,
153
or
55
residential
units
and
as
a
result
of
staff,
requesting
clarification
on
whether
or
not
there
was
any
expansion
of
the
existing
hotel.
We
just
got
just
just
this
week,
got
clarification
that
the
proposal
is
to
have
those
extended
stay
units,
so
that
is
a
new
development.
So
that
is
something
that
we're
looking
at
as
we
move
this
through
the
process.
D
Yeah
to
your
point
chairman,
I
completely
agree
with
ruth
and
andrew's
points
that
you
know
it
would
be
much
more
much
more
of
an
asset
to
downtown,
to
have
more
residential
units
and
to
continue
developing
downtown
in
a
way
where
the
people,
the
residents
of
asheville,
want
to
stay
there
and
live
there.
And
and
so
I'm
just
disappointed
to
see
the
extended
stays
in
this
development
project.
A
Thank
you,
yeah.
K
Is
that
better?
I
was,
I
wanted
to
piggyback
sort
of
what
ondayne
had
said
about
the
the
the
needs
for
some
extended
stay,
but
in
this
particular
project
I
kind
of
feel
like
this
is
not
for
people
are
coming
in
being
contractors
or
service
workers.
K
C
Yeah,
I
would
just
say
you
know,
like
everybody
else,
I
would
prefer
to
see
more
residential
units,
but
it's
40
units
in
a
150
room
hotel.
You
know,
I
don't
see
that
it's
a
major
deal
concerning
the
number
of
hotel
rooms
that
we
have
in
downtown.
So
it's
like.
I
said
I
would
prefer
to
see
residential,
but
I
don't
see
it
as
a
major
issue.
F
I'd
I'd
prefer
to
see
residential
unless
there
was
some
real
clarity
on
this
extended
stay
because,
like
like,
like
you,
said
that
this
is
not
going
to
be
construction
workers,
and
this
is
going
to
be
somebody
who
doesn't
live
here,
buying
a
condo
and
you
know
making
very
good
profits,
I'm
sure.
So
those
are
my
thoughts.
G
Yeah,
well,
I
was
going
to
make
a
similar
point
to
robin's.
You
know
I
was
a
little
not
excited
to
see
the
the
hotel
use
come
into
this
project
and
there
still
seems
to
be
some
lack
of
clarity
around
how
many
rooms
it
might
be.
I
mean
is
this
possible
that
this
number
will
increase
as
the
project
moves
forward?
You
know
we
don't
know
that
at
least
or
maybe
shannon
can
clarify
that
for
us,
but
you
know
that
would
be
another
concern.
Is
there?
L
Use
well
by
the
time
it
gets
to
the
planning
zoning
commission.
We
do
want
that
ironed
out
and
we
would
normally
reflect
more
specifically
the
room
counts
and
such
in
the
list
of
conditions
that
are
adopted
with
a
conditional
zoning.
So
again,
this
is
new
information,
we're
in
the
process
of
trying
to
kind
of
further
clarify
that
and
get
those
conditions
really
worked
out.
I
First,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
y'all.
I
think
you
know
this
design,
review
process
or
not
desire
review
process
has
changed,
but
I
think
that
what.
I
Actually
going
to
be
very
helpful,
one
thing
that
comes
to
mind
is
this
model
that
we
haven't
seen
yet,
where
a
mix
of
hotel
or
short
term
extended
stage
short-term,
rent
or
whatever
you
call
it
helps
with
affordability.
So,
since
this
project
has
a
mix
of
residential
apartments
as
well,
I
wonder
if
you
know
the
input
is
really
around.
If
it's
going
to
have
these
other
uses
in
there,
can
it
then
help
create
affordability,
apartments
and
such
so
it'd
be
interesting
to
tie
those
together
in
a
project
for
once.
A
E
Lee
I
was
just
trying
to
remember
robin
and
brian.
You
know
this.
This
project
has
been
before
design
review
at
least
four
times
was
it,
and
this
is
not
really
a
design
element,
but
was
it
mentioned
at
any
time?
There
was
a
hotel
component
in
this
project
other
than
the
existing
building.
L
Yes,
no
that's
new,
so
we
were
trying
staff
was
trying
to
get
clarity
on
whether
or
not
the
existing
hotel
expanded.
But
what
honestly,
what
I
was
imagining
was
like:
are
there
conference
rooms
being
added?
Is
there
a
broader
lobby
being
included,
and
I
just
wanted
to
be
able
to
reflect
that
in
the
staff
report,
so
we
later
got
this
clarification
that
some
of
the
residential
units
would
be
extended
today.
E
And
just
a
quick
question:
shannon
can,
can
you
name
an
existing
extended
stay.
That's
been
recently
built
downtown.
I
L
The
the
only
project
that
I
can
think
of
along
that
might
have
those
ex
that
has
the
extend
stay
units
not
yet
constructed
is,
if
you
may
recall
the
family
lodge
project,
it
was
the
renovation
of
the
three
historic
homes
on
biltmore
avenue
and
then
the
new
construction
that
goes
with
it,
those
the
conversion
of
those
homes
into
lodging
units.
I
believe
those
were
extended
stay
units
like
they
have
like.
E
Okay,
so
my
only
comment
chairman
is
that
this
is
something
that
we
should
have
known
earlier.
It
would
have
been
nice
to
have
the
discussion,
but
thank.
A
You
agreed
guillaume,
will
let
you
go
and
then
then
I'm
gonna
wrap
this
one
up
and
we're
gonna
move
on
you're
still,
muted,
okay,
sorry,
all
right
so
staff.
A
What
I've
heard
is
that
we
are
going
to
recommend
that
the
applicant
follow
best
practices
for
any
trees
that
are
planted
in
and
along
the
the
edge
of
the
property
that
the
applicant
really
look
at
the
traffic
impact
specifically
for
both
both
pedestrian
traffic,
vehicular
traffic
and
delivery
traffic
that
the
applicant,
if
they're
they're,
asking
for
some
a
variance
for
the
existing
hotel
room
as
it
faces
central
that
that
they
really
look
at
that
facade
and
do
something
to
address
that
so
that
they
don't
have
to
pursue
a
variance
there
and
that
the
downtown
commission
is
not
in
favor
of
or
would
like
to
see
those
extended
stay,
be
actual
residential
uses
or
apartment
uses.
A
Instead
of
the
extended
stay
uses.
That's
kind
of
what
I
heard.
I
think-
and
I
think
I
captured
most
of
it
so
with
that.
We're
not
taking
a
vote
at
this
time
and
we
are
also
going
to
reserve
the
right
to
possibly
meet
in
either
june
or
july
and
and
want
to
maybe
see
some
updated
stuff
on
this
project
specifically
in
regards
to
those
items.
So
with
that
I'd
like
to
move
to
120,
biltmore
avenue
and
I'll
try
to
keep
us
moving
on,
you
guys
are
doing
great.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
So
the
next
item
on
your
agenda
is
the
review
of
another
multi-story
mixed-use
building
this
one
located
at
120
biltmore
avenue.
Given
the
scale
of
this
project.
It
is
a
level
two
site
plan
review,
so
this
one
will
stop
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
it's
just
a
ministerial
review,
so
we're
only
looking
at
the
project's
ability
to
comply
with
the
technical
requirements.
So
it's
not
a
cz.
We
don't
have
that
legislative
process
to
kind
of
look
at
other
best
practices
or
other
kind
of
special
considerations
that
we
want
included.
L
This
is
another
one
of
those
condominium.
Hotel
extended
stay
hotel
projects.
This
one
has
43
units
in
the
building,
40
of
which
would
be
extended,
stay
hotel
suites,
so
that
would
be
80
guest
rooms
total
those
are
two
bedroom
units
and
then
the
remaining
three
units
would
be
condominium.
Dwelling
units
residential
dwelling
units.
L
There
is
3
100
square
feet
of
commercial
at
the
ground
level.
The
applicant
is
planning
on
a
restaurant
and
then
possibly
a
small
bit
of
retail
there.
Of
the
nine
stories.
Three
levels
are
structured
parking,
supporting
59
spaces
with
three
on
street
spaces,
as
this
is
a
hotel
in
the
the
downtown,
and
it
is
a
level
two
public
benefits
are
required,
so
they
are
included
with
this
project.
L
L
Here
is
the
site
context:
there's
the
site
in
the
middle.
The
project
has
frontage
on
both
biltmore
avenue,
which
is
on
the
west
and
south
market
street
to
the
north.
There
is
also
an
an
opened
alley
right
of
way
on
the
east
side,
that
is
south.
We
call
it
south
market
extension,
I'm
not
sure,
if
that's
really
the
precise
name
for
it,
but
that's
what
it's
referred
to
as
and
the
project
provides
orientation
on
both
the
well
on
the
primary
streets.
L
So
biltmore
avenue
is
the
primary
street
and
that's
where
the
project
project
is
predominantly
oriented,
but
it
does
also
front
on
south
market.
Although
south
market
extension
is
an
open
and
publicly
maintained
right-of-way,
we
do
still
regard
it
as
an
alley.
So
we
do
not
require
the
same
kind
of
fenestration
or
design
requirements
on
that
side
of
the
project
you
can
see.
The
little
cut
in
here
is
where
those
three
on-street
parking
spaces
would
be
located.
L
There
is
vehicular
access
to
the
property
from
south
market
through
this
entrance,
which
actually
is
a
ramp
that
you'll
see
in
the
building
elevations
that
enters
into
the
parking
structure.
There's
also
another
entrance
from
the
south
market
extension
alley
to
another
lower
level
entrance
to
again
that
another
part
of
the
parking
structure
itself.
L
The
primary
facade
here
is
the
west
elevation
on
biltmore
avenue.
You
can
see
that
ground
level,
retail
or
commercial
space
here
along
the
street
frontage.
I
believe,
there's
a
little
bit
of
outdoor
space
like
a
dining
area
for
to
support
the
proposed
restaurant
use,
and
then
this
project,
of
course,
will
have
those
wider,
improved
sidewalks
on
both
biltmore
and
south
market
street.
L
This
is
a
I
did
mention.
It
was
a
nine
story
building,
but
it's
six
stories
really
from
biltmore
and
central
avenue
and
those
this
project
site
if
you're
familiar
with
it,
has
some
significant
topography
and,
as
you
go
down
central,
if
you
cross
over
biltmore
avenue
and
you
go
down
south
market,
it
really
drops
in
elevation
and
and
this
project
takes
advantage
of
that
elevation
drop
turning
the
corner
on
south
market
street.
L
This
would
be
the
the
biltmore
avenue
side,
so
you
can
see
again
that's
the
end
of
the
restaurant
and
then
one
of
the
the
main
or
the
main
entrance
for
the
residences.
And
then
you
can
see
how
it
starts
to
drop
in
elevation
and
it's
still
six
stories.
But
you
can
start
to
see
some
of
the
foundation
that
increases
the
overall
visual
impact
of
the
product
project
from
the
primarily
from
the
rear,
not
so
much
on
the
south
market
side.
L
L
So
those
these
this
is
the
area
of
the
three
levels
of
parking
with
the
six
storeys
above
and
then
coming
along
to
the
south
elevation
that
just
borders,
the
adjacent
property
to
the
south
and
again
you
see
some
of
that
exposed
parking
structure
and
then
the
residential
stories.
Above
and
that
concludes
my
introduction,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
welcome
any
feedback.
A
L
Correctly,
that's
correct,
so
the
very
large
majority
of
this
project
is
a
an
extended
stay
hotel
as
they
have
proposed
it
because
of
the
individual
condominium
ownership
I
mean
there
is.
We
are
still
discussing
this
at
a
city
level
as
to
whether
or
not
those
kinds
of
units
are
more
similar
to
short-term
vacation
rentals
or,
if
they're,
more
similar
to
you
know,
or
they
meet
the
definition
of
an
extended
stay
hotel.
L
L
You
know
the
marriott
flag
or
other
flags
that
are
operating,
but
there
is
some
question
about
whether
functionally
they
are
from
a
language
standpoint.
They
operate
identically.
So
this
is
just
something
that
we're
discussing
internally
and
you
know
hope
to
have
better
clarity
moving
forward.
So
I
don't
know
yet
what
the
outcome
of
that
discussion
will
be.
A
One
last
question:
then:
I've
got,
I
see
three
four
hands.
What
are
the
public
benefits
they're,
offering.
L
I
believe
it
is
affordable,
housing
contributions
to
the
affordable,
housing
trust
fund,
and
I
think
there
may
be
some
other
I
forget
that
hasn't
been
submitted
yet
so
we
don't
have
those
details
yet,
but
conceptually
they've
kind
of
talked
about
it.
They
just
at
this
stage
a
lot
of
folks
will
just
say
they
will
meet
the
public
benefits.
A
Gotcha
megan,
I
see
your
hand
and
then
robin
stephen
and
geo.
G
Yeah
so
shannon
started
to
touch
on
my
concern,
but
this
is
my
first
project
review
as
a
new
commissioner,
but
this
extended
stay
designation
feels
like
a
workaround
to
short-term
rentals
to
me,
so
I
appreciate
that.
There's
more
thought
going
into
that
from
a
city.
You
know
from
the
city
folks,
but
I
just
want
to
point
that
out
is
that
that
that
concerns
me.
F
L
Know
absolutely
yeah
yeah
it's
up
to
the
commission
if
they
want
to
have
the
applicant
speak.
A
E
E
K
K
A
A
F
M
L
M
Blind
in
the
meeting
he's
it
looks
like
he
is,
I
will
I
could
kick
him
out
and
then
he
could
try
to
rejoin
and
try
that.
A
Okay,
I'm
gonna
echo
what
stephen
lee
said
that
you
know
when
we,
when
we
reviewed
the
project
from
a
design
standpoint,
we
were
generally
in
favor
of
it.
As
I
recall,
I
thought
the
massey
and
I
thought
the
way
they
were
using
the
site.
I
thought
they
were
doing
a
lot
of
good
things.
My
issues
with
this
are,
and
I
think
they
even
had
a
lot
of
the
traffic
figured
out
for
the
density
they
were
looking
at
it
was.
It
was
primarily
it's.
This
extended
stay,
there's
peter.
O
Good
morning,
everyone
thank
you
for
letting
me
into
the
meeting,
there's
a
lot
of
information
that
was
discussed
at
the
four
points
project
and
this
project
as
well
that
I'd
like
to
to
try
to
clarify.
So
the
commission
has
a
better
idea
of
what
the
intention
of
the
of
the
project
is.
First
of
all,
the
at
four
points
we
did
not.
O
We
made
the
decision
to
introduce
the
extended
stay
hotel
component
into
the
project
late,
because
we
did
not
know
what
the
outcome
of
city
council's
changing
of
the
hotel
regulation
was
going
to
be
throughout
the
entire
design
review
process,
our
design
committee
process
and
the
time
that
we
spent
with
the
two
neighborhood
meetings.
So
we
didn't
didn't
know
what
the
rules
were
going
to
be
until
the
end
of
february.
O
As
long
as
the
community
benefits
are
being
met
at
four
points,
we're
going
to
cap
the
number
of
rooms
that
will
be
allowed
to
be
in
the
extended
stay
portion
of
the
hotel
to
80,
and
the
number
of
I
believe
the
the
dollar
value,
whatever
the
dollar
value
is
that's
required
in
the
community,
benefits
for
affordable
housing
will
be
met
and
we're
also
going
to
meet
the
two
green
globes
sustainability
portion
of
the
project.
So
well,
there
may
be
some
issue
about
now.
All
of
a
sudden.
O
There
are
these
there's
a
workaround
for
short-term
vacation,
rentals,
short-term
vacation
rentals
are
more
informal
in
terms
of
how
they're
set
up
and
managed
in
both
of
these
projects.
They
will
be
managed
by
professional
hotel
management
companies
that
will
you
know
that
are
experienced
in
handling
reservations
and
managing
spaces
and
paying
fees,
dues,
taxes
and
both
developers
in
each
of
these
projects
are
more
than
willing
to
pay
into
the
the
community
benefits
programs,
particularly
in
workforce
or
in
affordable
housing.
O
I
think
the
commission
we
all
need
to
as
we
work
through
this
need
to
keep
in
mind
that
the
whole
reason
and
the
the
benefit
that
the
community
receives
by
both
of
these
projects
is
they'll
they'll,
be
well
over.
A
million
dollars
contributed
into
the
affordable
housing.
Trust
fund
plus
there'll
be
two
projects
that
have
green
globe
certification,
which
speaks
to
the
city's
overall
goal
of
having
sustainability
in
the
projects.
L
L
The
public
benefits
table
is
an
incentive
for
smaller
or
moderate
scale
projects
to
skip
council
review
if
they
have
a
hotel,
but
and
so
it
it
by
providing
these
public
benefits
so
that
it
applies
to
the
level
two
for
120
biltmore.
It
does
not
apply
to
this
project
for
four
points.
Now
the
green
globe
is
something
that
can
be
included,
as
you
know,
a
condition
of
the
conditional
zoning,
because
it's
a
it's
an
element,
that's
included
in
the
project,
but
any
contributions
to
the
affordable,
housing
trust
fund
that
doesn't
go
into
consideration.
O
L
O
O
Okay,
well,
that
that
seems
to
be
a
contradiction
to
the
whole
goal
of
having
hotel
developers
contribute
to
affordable
housing
right
now,
you're
capping
the
the
size
at
100,
000
square
feet
or
less
or
100
feet
in
height
or
less
and
you've
boxed
in
the
opportunity
to
have
more
affordable
housing
by
not
allowing
the
larger
projects
or
require.
I
I
guess
I
just
but
that's
just
let's
just
not
talk
about
it.
L
Yeah,
I
I
think
it's
a
matter
of
perspective.
There
was
concern
that
if
the
projects
were
of
a
significant
size
or
significant
impact
that
we
still
wanted
council
review
right.
O
L
L
G
L
Know
for
a
very
large
project.
That
is
an
important
consideration.
You
know.
Do
we
you
know.
Is
that
something
that
you
know
rather
than
make
a
contribution,
as
is
allowed
in
the
public
benefits
table
to
affordable
housing,
the
preference
may
be
to
include
affordable
housing
in
the
project.
As
an
example,
you
know,
because
it's
it's
meant
to
really
be,
that
any
kind
of
public
benefits
are
meant
to
be
incorporated
specifically
into
the
project.
A
A
Regarding
specifically,
four
points
and
120
biltmore,
any
of
the
design
issues
or
stuff
that
we've
kind
of
brought.
A
A
Okay,
commissioners,
are
there
any
other
items
that
we
need
to
consider
specifically
regarding
120
biltmore
ruth,
I
see
your
hand.
H
Yeah,
I
I
just
have
to
bring
this
up.
I'm
sorry.
People
are
so
tired
of
hearing
me
talk
about
this,
but
59
spaces
of
parking
for
80
guest
rooms.
Three
condos,
it's
just
not
enough!
I'm
sorry!
So
that's
all
I'll
say.
A
L
It
guest
room.
It
is
because
it's
80
questions
it's
40
units
with
two
bedrooms
in
each
unit,
so
that
just
makes
me
realize
this
is
another
project
where
we
just
have
gotten
this
clarity.
It
was
originally
described
as
a
residential
condominium
project,
which
does
not
require
parking.
Hotels,
however,
do
require
parking.
So
now,
with
this
clarification,
I'm
not
sure
that
this
project
meets
the
parking
requirement,
so
they
may
have
to
adjust
their
their
number
of
units.
A
A
Okay,
so
for
for
staff,
then
to
communicate
to
the
designer
I
did.
I
didn't
hear
a
ton
of
stuff
for
the
design
review
committee,
specifically
other
than
our
normal
of
let's
look
at
street
trees.
Let's,
let's
look
at
amassing
make
sure
that
they're
doing
that
correctly,
but
to
communicate
directly
to
council.
We
we
do
have
issues
with
or
or
just
we're,
not
quite
sure.
We
understand
the
whole
extended
stay
versus
a
hotel
and
there
is
an
issue
with
that
with
parking.
A
It
sounds
like
so
we'll
we'll
take
that
and
move
on
any
have
I
missed
anything
folks.
Looking
at
your
faces,
no
okay,
very
good
sasha!
You
are
up
with
south
slope
vision
plan
updates.
M
A
I'm
good
to
keep
going
a
quick
straw
poll
can
is
everybody
okay
to
go
to
at
least
11,
15
or
so
yeah?
Okay,
I'll.
M
Still
keep
it
short,
but
okay,
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
really
quickly.
M
So
you
know:
we've
been
working
on
this
household
plan
for
a
long
time,
and
I
was
thinking
that
originally
thinking
that
I'd
give
you
a
kind
of
an
overview
of
the
entire
plan,
but
really
dana-
and
I
talked
this
through
and
thought.
M
Well,
maybe
it's
just
better
to
kind
of
give
you
a
little
taste,
a
very
tiny
taste
of
what's
coming
and
then
ask
for
your
feedback
on
how
you
want
to
spend
your
time
like
if
we
had
one
meeting
to
really
dive
into
the
plan-
and
I
don't
know
if
we
need
a
special
meeting
or
not.
Basically,
I'm
waiting
on
one
or
two
people
to
finish
giving
me
edits,
and
then
we
hope
to.
M
Just
as
a
reminder,
this
is
our
study
area.
So
it
includes
the
kind
of
southern
part
of
the
cbd
central
business
district
and
then
some
of
this,
these
other
outlying
innovation
district
areas
how
the
plan
is
organized
is
basically
we
have
five
themes:
quality
built,
environment,
unique,
inclusive
sense
of
place,
strong
local
economy,
multimodal
transportation
and
strategic
infrastructure
and
natural
environment,
and
you
know
there
are
things
in
all
of
these
themes
that
overlap
with
each
other,
and
then
we
also
have
10
key
initiatives.
M
M
Then
we
have
these
10
key
initiatives
that
are
the
outer
circles
on
that
we
call
it
the
flower
diagram,
but
so
we've
got
10
key
initiatives
and
really
we're
trying
to
these
are
things
that
either
we
know
we
want
to
do
anyway,
that
we're
kind
of
already
in
the
works.
Some
of
them
are
things
we
know
we
need
to
work
on
like
updating
zoning
and
design
guidelines
for
downtown
honoring,
african-american
history.
I
think
there
are
things
already
going
on
with
that.
M
The
south
slope
neighborhood
association
has
been
working
hard
on
history
and
on
art
throughout
the
district.
So
basically,
these
are
key
initiatives
that
relate
to
those
five
themes
and
some
are
very
concrete
and
some
are
a
little
bit
more
abstract
so
and
I
would
say
that
equity
is
definitely.
We've
tried
to
weave
it
throughout
the
entire
plan,
especially
around
equitable
development,
strong
local
economy,
and
things
like
that.
M
So
this
is
just
another
example
of
one
of
the
key
initiatives
around
honoring
african-american
history
there's
multiple
pages,
but
I
just
clipped
out
a
couple
and
with
that
actually
I'm
going
to
stop
sharing
my
screen,
because
I
can't
see
you
all
and-
and
I
can
I
can
go
back
to
that.
But
basically
I
could
send
this
to
you
in
the
email
or
I
could
you
know,
get
feedback
from
you
individually.
If
you
like,
are
there
things
around?
I
know
we
have
the
local
living
economy
working
group.
M
Maybe
we
want
to
spend
more
time
on
that.
Are
there
certain
areas
around
downtown
of
downtown
topics
that
you
want
to
spend
more
time
talking
about?
In
this
plan
than
others
or
any
other
feedback,
you
have
about
how
you
can
review
individually
you'll
be
able
to
participate
like
just
like
any
other
citizen.
You
know
when
we
open
the
portal
and
you'll
be
able
to
explore
the
plan
and
give
comments
on
all
the
sections
so
that
you
know
everybody
will
have
that
opportunity.
M
A
D
I
know
part
of
keeping
part
of
this
whole
plan
is
keeping
asheville
and
downtown
unique
and
and
special,
but
without
having
any
any
ability
to
create
ordinances
around
who
owns
the
properties
or
the
businesses.
And,
of
course
you
know,
ownership
by
disenfranchised
people
and
entrepreneurs
is
is
so
key.
M
And
I-
and
I
I
did
say
this
to
the
south
neighborhood
association
pre-pandemic-
actually
that
we're
trying
to
walk
a
line
here
on
this
plan
with
kind
of
exactly
what
the
issue
you
just
identified
like
there
are
some
pretty
sexy
pictures
pretty
common
sexy
pictures
in
here,
but
really
that's
not
the
emphasis.
It's
it's
really.
How
do
we
continue
to
grow
accommodate
growth
but
also
provide
opportunities
for
people
who
are
disenfranchised
and
not
make
it
an
exclusive
area
right
like
it
like?
A
Sasha,
I
think
I
would
I
I'd
like
you
to
send
that
to
us
and
allow
us
to
send
you
any
comments
individually
as
well,
one
because
we're
a
little
bit
pressed
for
time,
but
two,
because
I
think
it's
gonna
take
us
some
time
to
digest
it
and
and
then
we
can
see
specifically,
I
mean
obviously
we're
going
to
be
in
working
with
that
group.
A
When
we
talk
about
the
the
the
master
plan
which
affects
part
of
the
south
slope,
but
not
not
the
entirety
of
it
and
obviously
we're
going
to
be
interested
in
the
how
it
affects
the
local
economy
and
how
it
affects
local
businesses.
I'm
sage,
I
saw
you,
try
to
turn
your
thing
on
and
us.
I
Yeah
yeah,
I
just
want
to
encourage
the
commission
to
weigh
in
I
know
you
know.
Other
cities
are
much
bigger
than
us
and
I
know
it
feels
like
a
lot
is
going
on
we're
growing
quickly,
but
if
we
have
the
opportunity
to
help
shape
south
slope
when
there's
still
time
to
shape
it,
so
I
really
want.
I
would
love
for
us
all
to
get
involved
and
weigh
in
on
this.
I
I
don't
know
a
better
body
that
is
reviewing
this
and
paying
attention.
So
I'd
love
to
see
it
come
back.
M
Oh
yeah,
it
definitely
will
come
back,
so
I
guess
the
goal.
Is
it's
a
moving
target
which
drives
me
and
everybody
else
insane,
but
the
goal
is
to
release
the
plan
publicly
right.
So
then
we
would
have
three
or
four
weeks
and
I'm
hoping
during
that
month.
People
are
participating
individually,
we
would
have.
We
do
have
an
advisory
committee.
Robin
is
serving
on
that
we
would
go
to
the
south
neighborhood
association.
We
would
come
to
you.
O
M
We
might
do
some
focus
groups
with
some
folks
who
were
not
reaching
and
kind
of
collect
all
that
input
and
see
if
we
still
need
to
edit
or
add
things.
What
did
we
miss?
What
did
we
get
wrong
all
of
those
kinds
of
things
so
and
then
really
when
we
get
to
that
final
draft,
I
I
would,
I
would
think,
we're
coming
back
to
you
all
for
like
an
endorsement
before
it
goes
to
planning
and
zoning
in
city
council.
B
But
I
think
part
of
yeah.
What
would
be
helpful
is
if-
and
maybe
you
all
don't
know
that
until
you
take
a
look
through,
but
if,
if
off
the
bat,
you
feel
like
there's
a
section
that
you
may
want
to
take
a
deep
dive
on,
because
then
we
can
plan
on
that
with
you.
Maybe
it's
local
economy,
maybe
it's
zoning,
but
maybe,
if
maybe
first,
if
we
can
just
share
those
different
sections
back
out
with
you
and
if
you
all
want
to
think
of
that.
B
Think
about
that
or
if
you
want
to
set
up
some
separate
focus
group
meetings
amongst
you,
you
know
bring
it
to
one
to
one
of
the
working
groups
or
whatever.
Then
I
then
we
would
be
happy
to
work
with
you
all
on
that
too.
A
Let's
plan
on
sasha,
if
you
could
send
that
out
to
us
for
for
our
review
and
then
we'll
see
if
we
can't
get
some
of
the
working
groups
to
look
at
specific
sections
prior
to
our
next
meeting,
so
that
we've
got
some
really
I
lost
you
sasha
there
you
go.
M
A
I
got
you
okay,
very
good,
any
other
questions
for
sasha
on
south
slope
vision
plan
very
good.
Thank
you.
I'm
going
to
hustle
us
along!
Thank
you
folks,
for
sticking
with
us
past
11.
we're
going
to
try
to
wrap
up
around
11
15
ish
asheville,
downtown
association,
update
and
report
megan.
G
Yep
so,
while
we're
talking
about
south
slope,
I
wanted
to
mention
that
our
project
manager
recently
wrapped
up
the
necessary
documentation
and
copy
for
the
cell
slope.
Mural
trail.
That's
now
in
the
hands
of
explorer
asheville
to
be
built
out
on
their
website.
So
hopefully,
in
the
next
few
weeks,
maybe
a
few
months
we'll
see
that
go
live
we
had
46
downtown
businesses.
G
Take
advantage
of
our
free
membership,
offer
also
extended
memberships
for
all
of
our
current
members,
which
brings
us
to
a
total
membership
of
413,
mostly
small
businesses,
I'm
tentatively
planning
to
start
events
in
july.
I
definitely
still
have
a
lot
of
anxiety
around
large
events,
but
possibly
looking
out
of
july
downtown
after
five,
so
that
would
be
mid
july
and
you
know
that
those
do
support
local
service
providers,
food
vendors
and
musicians
who
are
looking
to
get
back
to
work
as
well.
G
We're
working
with
the
urban
trail
committee
on
a
rededication
of
three
markers
that
were
either
out
because
of
construction
projects
or
in
the
case
of
catwalk.
One
of
the
cats
was
stolen.
So
that's
gonna
be
june
29th.
We
can
extend
an
invitation
to
the
commission
if
you
all
would
like
to
come
to
that
rededication
ceremony.
It's
shopping
days
here
on
haywood
street
grove's
vision
over
by
battery
park
and
then
of
course,
catwalk
on
wall
street
and
then.
G
Lastly,
we
had
19
applications
for
our
multicultural
grant
program
that
we're
working
with
mountain
bis
works
on
these
are
for
bipark
owned
businesses
within
downtown
or
mobile
businesses
that
do
work
in
downtown
of
those
19.
I
think
a
few
of
them
don't
actually
qualify
because
they're
not
in
the
central
business
district,
but
we're
looking
to,
but
there's
some
there's,
some
great
applicants
on
there
and
a
lot
of
them
are
in
the
block
area,
which
I
think
is
great.
We're
probably
gonna
make
a
decision
on
those
grants.
G
E
K
A
A
Thank
you
wow,
so
we
had
a
couple
of
things
come
up
regarding
parking
and
transportation.
Specifically,
I
had
a
a
couple
of.
J
B
Those
items
went
to
city
council's
finance
committee
after
the
working
group
met
and
on
to
city
council,
and
so
at
this
point,
new
changes
have
been
approved
and
made,
and
I
I
know
that
transportation
staff
appreciated-
and
I
know
that
councilwoman
turner
carried
some
of
that
feedback
on
through
the
committee
and
full
council.
So
parking
hourly
rates
in
the
garages
are
going
up
to
two
dollars
an
hour
from
125
and
the
new
equipment
it
doesn't
take
coins,
which
is
why
the
rate
had
to
be
an
even
dollar
amount.
B
But
there
are
going
to
be
some
great
updates
or
service
improvements
associated
with
that.
The
first
hour
of
part
of
parking
in
the
garages
is
free
again.
So
that
is
one
change
that
wasn't
initially
proposed
to
the
parking
and
transportation
working
group
that
was
changed
before
it
got
to
city
council
and
another
a
shout
out
to
the
the
whole
committee
and
their
feedback
and
to
councilwoman
turner.
So
the
first
hour
is
free.
So
if
you
stay
for
two
hours,
you
pay
two
dollars.
The
first
hour
remains
free.
B
That
was
a
change
from
what
it
has
been.
There's
also
some
new
monthly
parking
options,
there's
a
12
hour
option
and
that's
really
targeted
to
serve
downtown
workers.
So
you
don't
have
to
pay
for
a
monthly
rate
that
gives
you
access
to
the
garages
24
hours.
You
can
pay
for
a
rate
during
a
12-hour
period
of
time
and
then
there's
some
other
rate
changes
for
different
monthly
lots
around
downtown
the
earliest.
This
will
roll
out
is
july
1st.
I
I'm
just
like,
because
we
heard
this
at
council,
but
so
the
nut
it
does
need
to
be
an
even
dollar
and
we're
not
doing
coinage.
We
are
doing
paper
bills
still.
So
it's
not
a
no
cash
operation,
there's
just
no
coins
and
that
wasn't
clear
to
a
lot
of
folks.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
to
say
it,
but
I'm
really
thrilled
the
first
hour
free
is
back,
I'm
really
thrilled
for
the
12-hour
parking
option
for
workforce.
I
think
it's
a
good
win
thanks
for
y'all.
A
Okay,
any
other
ruth.
Do
we
want
to
talk
about
that
or
or
push
that
to
next
next
time?
Okay,
very
good,
any
other
guillo.
Do
you
have
your
hand
up
for
this?
Okay,
very
good,
well,
get
ready
to
talk
anyway,
open
space
task
force.
K
All
right,
I
I
we
just
last
two
days:
actually,
we've
met
twice
and
we've
finished
our
our
open
space
task
force,
recommendations
and
let
me
go
through
them
quickly
and
I
hope-
and
I
know
I'm
gonna
go.
There
may
be
some
questions
about
this
and
I
may
not
be
able
to
completely
answer
them,
but
let
me
bring
forward
some
of
the
recommendations
that
we
we
are
taking
forward.
K
K
We
are
using
a
tiered
system
for
open
space
that
really
incentivizes
the
ecological
value
of
open
space.
There
was
a
lot
of
good
discussion
about
open
space
versus
parks
versus
so
forth.
I
won't
get
into
all
of
that,
but
we
are
going
to
incentivize
the
quality
of
open
space
from
the
across
the
board
reduction
to
five
percent
of
open
space
increased
in
instead
to
only
a
five
percent
reduction.
So
we
actually
increasing
open
open
space
by
five
five
percent
in
mixed
use:
commercial
areas.
K
We
are
reducing
that
from
fifteen
percent
to
ten
percent
and
and
in
lieu
of
requiring
open
space
downtown.
We
are
recommending
the
the
the
the
new
tree
planting
specifications
and
I.e
silva
cells.
So
that's
that's
something
that
we're
kind
of
excited
about
that
it
will
be.
K
It
will
be
more
of
a
requirement,
as
opposed
to
just
a
a
an
incentive
and
then
we've
we're
we've
adjusted
some
standards,
for
example,
in
order
to
be
able
to
be
able
to
move
buildings
and
footprints
around
we've,
the
reduced
the
dimension
of
any
open
space
from
a
24
foot
to
10
foot
in
any
direction.
So
that
allows
for
a
little
bit
more
adjustment
within
a
site
for
the
building
to
to
preserve
open
space,
contiguous
open
space
and
so
forth.
K
K
K
We
were
requiring
eight
foot
wide
walkways,
we're
reducing
that
just
down
to
six
feet
and
finally,
it
used
to
be
that
we
wanted
75
percent
of
open
space
to
be
less
than
50
percent,
but
considering
the
the
way
that
topography
works
and
developable
land,
we
have
reduced
that
requirement
for
50
of
open
space
to
be
less
than
5
slope,
and
that's
really
about
those
are
our
recommendations
going.
A
Forward,
thank
you
that
was
way
better
than
I
was
going
to
be
able
to
do
any
any
questions
for
the
folks
who
have
been
working
on.
A
This
seeing
none
you've
got
like
two
minutes
to
do
a
downtown
update
report.
B
Luckily,
it's
a
report
that
you
may
view
whenever
you
would
like
to
I'll
just
note
a
few
things:
the
first,
the
city's
budget
process
and
the
next
steps
are
that
the
city
manager
will
present
the
proposed
budget
to
city
council
on
may
25th
and
that
or
wait
yes
may
25th,
and
then
the
public
hearing
on
the
budget
is
scheduled
for
june
8th.
So
I
just
wanted
to
flag
those
two
dates:
an
adoption
scheduled
for
june
22nd.
B
B
We
will
be
rolling
out
a
timeline
for
the
outdoor
expansion
initiative.
Soon,
there's
not.
I
don't
anticipate
an
end
date
in
the
near
future
for
those
programs,
but
we
will
clarify
that
timeline
very
soon
for
for
the
public
and
for
participating
businesses.
B
The
american
rescue
plan
act
just
wanted.
Don't
have
a
lot
of
substantive
updates,
but
wanted
to.
Let
you
all
know
that
there's
an
internal,
the
city
has
an
internal
team,
that's
working
on
a
process
that
will
vet
various
uses
of
those
funds.
The
treasury
department
provided
detailed
guidance.
Just
this
week,
so
staff
is
working
on
gaining
a
better
understanding
of
possibilities
and
limitations,
and
I
did
provide
a
link
to
the
most
recent
presentation
that
staff
provided
to
city
council
on
on
that
funding.
B
K
Just
back
on
the
back
advance
really
quickly:
how
much
input
will
our
commission
have
on
what
is
going
to
replace
vance.
B
So
that
process
hasn't
even
pre-started
yet
say
so.
Demolition
will
be
happening
and
and
then
there'll
be
more
work
to
consider
what
that
visioning
process
will
look
like
or
how
that
will
even
begin.
So
I
I
recognize
the
interest
and
please
keep
asking
the
questions,
but
but
staff
just
isn't
there
yet.
B
The
noise
ordinance
so
staff
is
planning
to
present
a
revised
draft
ordinance
to
city
council's
public
safety
committee
on
may
25th
and
that's
tentatively
scheduled
to
go
to
city
council
on
june.
22Nd
staff
is
going
to
be
recommending
a
delayed,
ordinance,
effective
date
for
those
changes,
but
I
also
just
want
to
flag
those
dates
and
encourage
you
all
to
to
check
back
on
that.
I
I
know
you
all
got
an
update
in
february
on
an
overview
of
the
changes
and
staff
development
services.
B
Staff
has
been
working
since
that
time
to
get
additional
input,
specifically
from
the
music
venue
community
and
from
residents
from
resident
stakeholder
group
to
try
to
find
some
common
ground
and
come
up
with
some
compromised
solutions
in
this
next
draft,
and
so
so
look
for
that
in
the
coming
weeks-
and
I
see
that
mr
barger,
you
have
a
question.
C
You're,
muted,
yes,
thanks
dana
I've
been
getting
a
lot
of
complaints
about
the
noise
ordinance.
We
saw
the
public
comment
from
peter
landis
and
I
really
would
recommend
that
the
noise
ordinance
come
back
through
this
commission
before
it
goes
to
council,
because
there's
a
lot
of
heat
coming
down
about
the
noise
ordinance
from
people
downtown.
A
Dane
I'm
thinking
we
probably
are
going
to
need
a
june
11th
meeting
based
on
just
what
we
talked
about
today
with
some
of
the
design
reviews,
the
the
two
projects
that
we
talked
about
and
and
and
if
this
ordinance
is
going
in
on
the
22nd
we
might
want
to
meet
ahead
of
time.
I
don't
we'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
later,
but
that's
where
my
instinct
is
right
now.
B
Thanks
for
that,
I
will
just
note
that
the
last
time
development
services
staff
heard
from
this
body
was
in
february,
and
this
next
iteration
of
the
plan
should
be
incorporating
this
most
recent
round
of
feedback.
But
I
hear
you
that
that
looking
at
what
those
changes
are
is
something
that
you
all
would
be
interested
in
so
noted,
thank
you,
and
that
is
all
that
I
have
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions.
A
Okay,
folks,
those
are
our
updates
and
reports.
Are
there
any
comments
regarding
any
of
those
items
or
any
other
informal
discussion,
future
agenda
items
that
we
need
to
bring
up
right
now.
Thank
you
so
much
for
sticking
with
us
for
the
the
extra
20
minutes.
I
really
appreciate
that.