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From YouTube: Downtown Commission – June 9, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Downtown Commission.
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A
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D
D
D
Property
taxes
all
the
way
through
here
we
had
a
downtown
police
force
in
public
bathrooms,
and
then
we
lost
them,
but
you're,
making
more
money
and
so
to
manage
the
lot
where
the
aloft
is.
Now
we
paid
less
than
ten
thousand
dollars
in
property.
Taxes
during
that
period
is
paying
to
hundred
ninety
three
thousand
dollars
a
year.
D
This
is
just
property
taxes,
but
the
little
business
that
we
run
had
a
payroll
last
year
of
over
one
point:
eight
million
and
we
purchase
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
of
local
goods
and
services.
I
spoke
with
another
owner
who's
willing
to
give
me
numbers,
and
he
said
their
payroll
for
his
two
little
businesses
downtown
was
over
five
million
and
he
paid
over
two
million
dollars
purchasing
goods
and
services
and
youjizz
numbers
by
the
dozens
of
businesses
we
have
in
downtown
and
I'm
really
tired
of
hearing
about.
D
D
We
don't
have
any
tourists
on
our
payroll,
all
the
money
we
pay
out,
allows
locals
to
pay
rent
and
mortgages
and
buy
groceries
and
live
here
and
because
most
of
our
downtown
businesses
are
local.
Our
profits,
don't
head
to
arkansas
or
some
other
corporate
headquarters,
but
stay
in
are
confused
our
community
and
don't
forget.
We
have
more
county
residents
coming
into
the
city
to
work
than
we
have
visitors
coming
here.
D
To
play
clean
and
safe
is
about
our
communities,
businesses,
our
communities,
workers
and
our
community
sustainability,
an
ignored
side
effect
of
disbanding
our
downtown
police
force.
Is
we
no
longer
have
a
group
of
officers
who
know
our
most
vulnerable?
Have
extra
training,
dealing
with
mental
illness
and
substance
abuse
and
know
the
resources
in
our
community
community
they're
being
heard
as
well?
Downtown
businesses
are
having
trouble
finding
staff
because
people
don't
feel
safe
in
her
tyranny.
Parking
landlords
are
losing
tenants,
both
residential
and
commercial,
who
simply
can't
take
it
anymore.
D
E
A
C
Downtown
planning
manager
and
the
planning
and
urban
design
department-
and
I
am
serving
as
project
manager
for
our
downtown
safety
initiative.
I'm
happy
to
provide
an
update
to
you
all
today
and
we
also
have
other
staff
resources
been
woody
from
our
city
manager's
office.
Lieutenant
jonathan
brown
from
the
police
department
and
assistant
chief,
patrick
crudup,
from
our
fire.
C
C
Strict
should
have
made
first,
it
includes
increased
law
enforcement
presence
on
foot
and
by
bike,
especially
especially
commute
a
community
responder
pilot
program
with
our
fire
department
staff,
who
are
out
proactively
engaging
with
individuals
and
assisting
the
folks
in
need.
We
have
enhanced
security,
maintenance
and
maintenance
pretty
much
in
all
of
our
facilities,
including
downtown,
including
parks.
We
have
increased
cleanliness
activities
again
across
our
facilities,
but
our
public
works
folks
are
stepping
up
up
some
of
their
cleaning
there.
A
ride.
C
Trashcan
checks
and
things
like
that,
as
well
as
our
contracted
services,
lighting
maintenance
has
been
a
major
focus,
so
we
have
our
transportation
staff
they've
done
over
30
different
corridor
assessments
for
lighting.
We
have
our
apd
working
on
those
lighting
assessments
as
well
to
understand
those
lighting
conditions
and
be
able
to
move
forward
with
improvements.
C
C
Challenges,
our
friends
related
to
homelessness
and
other
issues,
so
so
the
solutions
really
require
all
hands
on
deck,
so
we've
been
working
with
the
community
in
a
few
different
ways.
We
are
offering
public
safety
assessment
walks
to
go
out
with
community
and
business
representatives
to
look
at
different
areas
of
downtown.
Really
to
listen
to
understand.
C
C
C
C
As
well
as
crime,
prevention
tips
and
part
of
the
learning
I'll
say
to
with
the
safety
assessment
walks,
but
throughout
this
initiative
is
identifying
identifying
different
things,
we
can
do
there,
absolutely
things
the
city
and
should
do,
and
there
are
things
that
that
businesses
can
do
as
well,
and
so
we
want
to
work
with
you
all
to
identify
what
those
opportunities
are.
So.
C
C
C
C
Types
of
things
that
they're
doing
there
they're
looking
to
support
folks
where
they
are
help
connect
them
with
resources
or
address
issues
right
there
on
site.
Asheville
police
department
has
made
eight
684
business
contacts,
so
there
also
taking
a
proactive
approach
to
really
understanding.
What's
going
on,
making
contact
with
people
and
helping
address
concerns.
C
C
C
Available,
that's
tracking
all
of
their
interactions,
so
you
can
check
this
out
on
the
website
and
again
we
do
have
assistant
chief
crewed
up
here
so
happy
to
have
more
discussion
about
this,
but
they're.
Really
their
approach
is
very
proactive
and
we
are
filling
some
gaps
in
being
able
to
provide
that
service
out
in
the
downtown
environment
so
really
engaging
with
folks.
They
have
worked
with.
C
Our
homeless
resources
staff
to
ask
a
number
of
that.
We
as
an
organization,
can
be
better
informed
about
what
the
needs
are,
and
so
we'll
have
a
lot
more
information
on
that
too.
Once
this
initiative
is
complete
and
our
asheville
police
department,
I
covered
most
of
this
really
working
to
have
an
increased,
proactive
presence
as
well
within
the
downtown
and
engaging
with
folks
as
much
as
possible,
taking
that
educational
approach
and
assisting
with
lighting
assessments
and
other
condition
needs
assessments
related
to
public
safety
as
well.
C
We
will
be
looking
at
our
crime
data,
of
course,
during
this
period,
lots
of
things
to
consider
with
that.
You
know.
We
of
course,
are
asking
people
to
report
as
much
as
possible,
so
we're
going
to
be
taking
all
of
that
into
consideration
when
we
do
this
analysis,
the
downtown
association
had
done
a
survey
in
february
that
showed
concerns
about
public
safety
and.
C
Cleanliness,
we're
going
to
be
working
with
the
downtown
creation
to
put
out
an
updated
survey
with
relevant
questions
to
see
if
any
of
those
sentiments
have
changed
and
really
kind
of
learn
what
we
can
from
that.
We
also
are
going
to
be
reviewing
all
of
the
activities
and
actions
that
have
been
done,
seeing
what
that
looks
like
maybe
compared
to
the
clean
and
safe
services
that
we
always
provide
and
seeing
if.
C
A
A
Going
to
be
late,
you
know
in
some
period
after
this
you
are
going
to
be
looking
at
metrics,
and
I
know
that,
as
we
get
closer
to
that
date,
the
city
is
going
to
be
looking
at
that
kind
of
stuff
and
deciding
what
keeps
going.
I
just
didn't
know
if
we
already
knew,
for
example,
community
responder
program.
That's
probably
not
going
to
you
know
day
61
they're,
just
going
to
you
know,
go
to
7-eleven
and
camp
out.
A
C
Okay,
all
right
keep
going,
I'm
sorry!
So,
let's
see,
I
think
we
kind
of
wrapped
up
here,
just
making
sure
you
all
are
aware
of
the
resources
we're
making
available
to
you
and
to
consider
ways
that
you
might
be
able
to
participate
or
otherwise,
engage
and
and
just
kind
of
as
a
wrap-up.
So
we
know
that
downtown
public
safety
is
a
complex
issue.
It
requires
a
community
response.
C
Conditions
related
to
public
safety
and
cleanliness,
as
well
as
helping
those
in
need
of
assistance
and
obviously
services
and
actions
are
being
tracked
and
and
all
of
this
will
help
inform
next
steps
and
we
encourage
you
all
to
stay
engaged
and
with
that
yeah
happy
to
answer
questions.
Questions
happy
to
invite.
A
One
of
the
things
chiefs
exact
mentioned
in
our
last
meeting,
is
that
there
were
crimes
that
were
not
necessarily
being
reported,
because
people
didn't
think
that
they
were
going
to
be
followed
up
on
shoplifting
and
things
like
that.
He
was
really
encouraging
people
to
please
please,
please
report,
we
need
the
data,
so
we
know
what
to
respond
to
in
the
past
30
days.
A
F
That's
a
good
question
in
terms
of
a
data
point
to
give
you.
I
don't
have
that
right
now,
but
intuitively.
I
would
suspect
that
we
are
seeing
more
response
from
the
biscuit
business
community
we've
had
over
680
business
contacts,
those
those
are
extremely
important
in
terms
of
face-to-face
contacts
that
making
with
business
owners
and
personnel
within
the
businesses.
I
have
to
believe
that
those
are
resulting
in
an
increase
in
reporting.
We,
we
have
our
online
reporting
portal
that
has
continued.
F
G
H
Board,
I
have
a
question
about
the
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
thank
you
for
all
that
you've
done
the
past
45
days
wherever
we
are
in.
This
has
been
a
noticeable
difference
in
downtown,
and
we
really
appreciate
that.
I
would
encourage
all
of
us
to
go
out
of
our
way
to
thank
an
officer.
Buy
him
a
cup
of
coffee.
Whenever
you
see
I
walk
through
pritchard
park,
just
to
say
thanks
for
being
here,
so
I
really
do
appreciate
y'all
being
here.
J
Lieutenant
brown-
I
don't
want
to
I'll
just
just
for
a
second
or
a
few
minutes
I'll
say
I'd,
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
thank
the
police
department
and
the
fire
department
for
their
efforts
in
this
initiative,
and
but
also
I'd
have
to
thank
our
other
operational
departments
and
dana
franklin.
Everybody,
that's
really
leaned
in
to
try
and
make
this
successful
and
kind
of
what
we're
hearing
is.
J
It's
had
a
positive
impact
so
again
just
want
to
recognize
the
staff
that
have
really
hard
to
make
this
successful
and
you
know
dana-
does
a
great
job
had
a
couple
little
like
pieces
of
information.
First.
Is
we're
not
waiting
to
july
1
to
do
the
analysis,
we're
starting
that
now,
so
we're
already
actively
meeting
and
trying
to
look
at
the
data
and
impacts
and
that's
all
he
wanted
to
get
normally,
you
would
do
a
survey
when
you're
done
with
something
while
we're
doing
the
ada
survey
midstream,
because
we
want
that
feedback
before
july
1.
J
We
are
already
trying
as
an
organization
to
determine
how
we
can
continue
the
momentum.
So
I
just
want
the
community
to
hear
that
in
this
commission
there
are
absolutely
things
that
I
think
we
can
continue
in
the
downtown
area.
There
are
maybe
things
that
we
have
to
look
at
resources
and
how
do
we
long-term
provide
some
of
those
enhancements,
but
the
goal
is
is
to
keep
the
momentum
going.
So
I
just
want
to
be
real
clear
about
that.
J
I'm
really
proud
of
the
staff
and
again
police
and
fire
for
what
they've
done
to
to
try
to
step
up
and
we
support
them
and
and
to
continue
that
so
and
just
a
little
bit
of
nuance-
and
so
part
of
it
is,
I
think,
is
looking
what
are
the
actions
that
we've
done
in
downtown
and
what
has
that
resulted
in
and
what's
worked
and
what
hasn't
you
know,
good
analysis,
but
the
other
piece
just
to
keep
in
mind
you
also
it's
looking
like.
Well,
what
are?
What
are
the
resources
resources?
J
Oh
because
you
know
truthfully
and
some
of
the
operations
apartments,
we've
moved
some
resources
around
and
done
some
creative
scheduling,
and
we
may
find
that
some
of
that
has
not
had
a
negative
impact
in
other
areas
of
the
city,
and
I
don't
know
that
it
has
so
far.
So
but
again,
the
analysis
has
to
be
thorough
has
to
be
comprehensive.
So
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
we
are
doing
that
now
and
we
will
come
back
to
the
community
and
we
will
share
all
that
information
and
hopefully
make
a.
J
E
You
yeah,
I
think,
that's
one
of
the
sort
of
the
big
concerns
about
the
sustainability
of
this
is
that
you
know
sort
of
not
you
know,
loss
of
services
and
downtown
over
the
years
wasn't
sustainable,
affordable.
He
lose
services
in
other
neighborhoods,
that's
not
sustainable
either.
You
know
it
it's
a
it's
a
it's.
A
really
a
whole
city
at
this
downtown
is
a
whole
city
issue,
and
I
appreciate
that
we're
thinking
about
it.
That
way-
and
it's
been
nice
to
have
the.
K
Might
be
easier
than
me
trying
to
scroll
and
talk
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
me,
my
name
is
katie
cornell
and
I'm
the
executive
director
of
arts,
avl,
formerly
formerly
asheville
area
arts
council,
I'm
also
the
immediate
past,
chair
of
the
public
art
and
cultural
commission.
So
it
feels
very
weird
to
be
on
this
side
of
the
table.
K
K
K
K
K
K
Report
last
week,
a
creative
economy
snapshot.
This
is
part
of
how
we
do
advocacy
as
we
report
on
our
creative
economy
and
I'm
happy
to
say
that
jobs
and
sales
have
finally
gotten
back
to
where
they
were
in
2019.
This
does
not
mean
that
our
creative
economy
is
thriving
by
any
means,
but
it
means
we
have
a
lie.
The
end
of
a
pole.
K
K
So
we
have
an
interactive
trolley
map
on
our
website.
You
can
actually
watch
little
trolleys
right
around
downtown
and
the
river
arts
district,
while
the
trolleys
running-
and
this
just
gives
you
kind
of
a
breakdown
of
where
those
downtown
and
river
arts
loops
are
connecting.
There
is
a
connector
stop
in
the
river
arts
district
right
in
front
of
the
wedge
building
where
you
can
get
on
one
trolley
or
the
other.
So
can
you
help
you
can
ride
the
trolley
again?
The
next
one.
K
E
E
K
A
We
need
our
council
representative,
so
we
had
discussed
that
now.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
clear
on
something.
So
one
of
the
the
the
staff
did
talk
about
it.
The
reason
we
didn't
time
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we
understand
all
the
implications.
I
still
don't
understand,
even
though
I've
read
all
this
stuff,
but
basically
it
means
that
if
we
meet
at
9:00.
A
A
A
So
our
ability
to
impact
specific
projects
is
less
now.
I
actually
don't
have
a
problem
with
that
from
the
downtown
commission,
because
I
I
the
way
I
oh
see
see
the
to
the
two
bodies
working
is
that
the
design
review
committee
is
coming
directly
on
the
project's.
Thank
you
katie,
the
the
down
the
drc
is
commenting
on
a
project
specific
level.
The.
J
A
Of
outcomes
we
want,
in
other
words,
we're
not
necessarily
surely
even
looking
at
the
at
the
of,
because
we
don't
have
a
impact
on
that
submittal.
What
we
do
have
impact
on
is
policies
right
policies
and
procedures
right.
So
we're
looking
at
the
outcome
to
say
is
this:
what
do
we
want
more
of
what
this
is,
because
the
policies
that
and
procedures
that
we
have
in
place
are
generating
these
kinds
of
things?
Do
we
need
to
change
a
policy
and
procedure
to
get
something.
A
A
A
A
A
E
I
30
minutes
isn't
that
big
of
a
deal,
but
I
don't
know
I
just
see
some
benefit
when
the
dam
to
have
commissioned
as
a
whole
reviews
of
developers.
Project
developer
has
to
be
here
and
then
a
week
or
two
later
design
review
committee
can
actually
take
some
of
those
comments
that
do
have
to
do
with
design.
In
perhaps
a
mandatory
compliance.
I
A
A
Correction,
an
informal
and
then
I
think
so
and
we
speak
to
and
we
always
do
and
ken
to
design
issues,
because
that's
a
policy
issue,
you
know
just
at
the
last
one
I
think
it
was
even
michelle
was
saying:
hey.
You
know
this
thing
for
a
spire.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
recognize
recognize
it
is.
I
can't
ruin
out.
Basically
she
said
it
doesn't
have
to
look.
C
E
M
A
O
Carter
again
and
then
so
you
know
no
matter
what
you
have
staff
also
there
to
help
make
that
happen.
So
at
the
beginning,
you
know
once
we
have
trc
think
we
have.
Is
that
significant
enough
for
you
to
review
informally,
and
then
they
can
have
time
to
get
that
to
design
review,
and
it
also
looks
like
folks
are
becoming
more
comfortable
with
recommendation,
we're
making
to
come
to
design
review,
informally
first,
so
that
they
can.
O
O
O
A
A
O
O
H
A
A
A
We
could
take
a
little
more
time
to
look
at
options.
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
little
more
time.
Okay,
I
want
to
do
the
fourth
friday.
I
think
that
works
for
sage.
I
just
we
need
to
put
that
off.
So
I'd
like
to
make
them
make
a
motion
that
we
keep
our
meeting
schedule
for
the
july
and
we
will
move
our.
A
B
I
I
We
we
make
some
requests
that
we're
really
not
met.
So
was
a
very
long,
that's
report.
Oh,
I
have
a
question
clay
we
were
discussing
this
morning
since
it's
the
same
owner
and
developer,
want
to
isn't
the
tempo
and
the
tribute
not
considered
a
master
plan
development
and
having
to
be
submitted
as
such.
O
Two
complete
different
entities
that
that
will
ultimately
house
they're
like
once
one
is
tempo
by
hilton,
the
others
tribute
which
is
a
separate
company.
The
development
llc's
are
different,
but
have
similar
partners,
and
so
we
haven't
the
definitions
of
what
a
development
is,
has
not
been
robust
enough
to
allow
us
to
implement
that.
So
so
seems
like.
If
I
remember.
O
O
And
if
it
was
shared
parking
and
things
like
that,
then
we
would
have
a
dip.
A
code
base
reason
to
be
examining
these
two
projects
together,
because
they
will
be
completely
separate
that
the
the
foundation
for
that
kind
of
interpretation
starts
to
dissolve
just
because
it's
two
people
developing
similar
projects
for
different
people
close
to
each
other.
It's
very
difficult
for
us
to.
O
To
require
one
to
do
do
something
that
impacts
the
other,
which
is
the
intent.
The
intent
of
that
provision,
at
least
in
my
understanding,
was
to
keep
people
from
trying
to
you
know
certain
events,
certain
provisions
by
doing
smaller
developments,
to
my
mind
there
are
no
provisions
can
be
circumvented.
You
know
nothing
would
change
if
it
was
one.
O
E
O
Business,
this
came
up
in,
and
you
know
to
draw
a
distinction
behind
the
patent
is
the
avery.
There
are
those
three
parcels
that
are
kind
of
outliers.
You
know
the
million
dollar
house
and
the
developer
tried
to
acquire
it
was
trying
to
acquire,
is
showing
shared
parking
and
putting
townhomes
on
that
and
that
in
that
instance,
we
interpreted
that
as
this
would
be
one
development,
because
the
parking
is
share.
The
access
road
is
share,
all
of
a
sudden
now
you're
talking
about
shared
infrastructure,
and
that
is
one
development
under
that.
E
O
A
O
L
M
C
I
am
dana
frankel
downtown
planning
manager,
a
few
more
updates
to
share
with
you
all,
providing
a
link
to
the
project
page
for
the
downtown
safety
initiative.
Pack
square
plaza
visioning.
So
we
do
have
an
updated
timeline
and
we'll
figure
out
the
best
way
to
involve
you
all.
In
a
meeting
towards
the
end
of
july.
We're
expecting
the.
C
The
draft
plan
to
be
released
to
the
public
on
july,
I
21st
we
are
building
in
some
space
for
review,
so
we'll
look
at
that
sequencing
again
and
figure
out
the
best
time
to
come
to
you
all,
but
but
we'll
be
convening
the
advisory
committee
and
and
looking
for
your
feedback
on
the
draft
plan.
We
also
when.
C
We're
going
to
be
doing
these
presentations
will
be
talking
about
about
next
steps
of
implementation
and
we
are
anticipating
some
funding.
Some
grant
funding
to
be
able
to
move
forward
with
some
of
those
steps.
So
that
is
super
exciting.
Why
downtown
public
restroom?
So
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
while,
but
we
do
have
a
landscape
architect
on
board
and
we
are
going
to
be
working
on.
C
Downtown
public
space
management
committee
meeting
for
early
july
to
just
I
know
that
that
group
has
looked
at
this
site
and
talked
about
this
site,
but
just
for
some
early
kind
of
input
and
context
as
they
work
on
their
first
concepts
and
then
we'll
do
some
public
input
on
those
early
design
concepts.
So
look
out
for
that
coming
in
july
july,
outdoor
dining.
C
C
So
again,
we'll
look
at
the
dates
and
see
what
the
right
time
is
to
come
to
downtown
commission
and
then
go
to
the
planet,
planning
and
economic
development
committee,
so
that
maybe
july
that
may
end
up
being
august.
But
we'll
look
at
those
dates
and
we
feel
really
good
about
where
we're
at
we've
gotten
great.
C
Sense,
carter
and
patent,
so
the
storm
water
project
is
continuing,
they've
completed
the
south
and
portions,
and
so
you
have
you
likely
have
seen
or
will
see
some
impacts
on
patent
avenue.
So
just
want
to
make
sure
you
all
are
aware
of
that.
There's
some
pedestrian
rerouting
taking
place
as
the
sidewalk
improvements
are
completed,
and
so
that
involves
a
lane
closure.
One.