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B
All
right,
the
meeting
will
now
come
to
order.
Welcome
to
the
september
12
2022
meeting
of
the
city
of
asheville
noise
advisory
board.
My
name
is
jessica
thomason
and
I
am
the
chair
and
voting
member
of
the
board.
I
will
introduce
each
agenda
item
and
facilitate
the
meeting
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
all
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
today.
B
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
board
members
who
are
participating
virtually
today.
Please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone.
If
you
are
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak,
please
unmute
your
microphone
board
members.
As
I
call
your
name,
please
acknowledge
your
presence.
Rick
freeman
here,
anu
krishnan.
C
D
B
Thank
you
everyone
for
being
here
today,
so
our
first
order
of
business
is
to
approve
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting
on
june
13th.
If
everybody
has
had
an
opportunity
to
take
a
look
at
those
from
monday
june
13th.
B
Carmelo
seconds,
okay,
so
can
I
get
in
a
yay
or
an
a
from
liliana
woody.
C
H
B
H
Sure
happy
to
I'm
reb
hazlep.
I
live
in
the
beaver
dam
neighborhood
and
I'm
a
semi-retired
architect.
I've
been
involved
in
noise,
related
issues
and
the
development
of
the
safety
ordinance
for
some
number
of
years,
starting
with
kendall
work
working
through
the
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods
and
being
on
the
technical
advisory
committee
for
can
to
help
develop
the
new
noise
ordinance.
So
that's
a
little
background
delighted
to
be
here.
D
A
No
we're
not
presenting
the
staff
reports,
we're
just
providing
them
and
then
giving
you
all
time
to
ask
questions
if
you
have
questions
so
it's
that's.
That's
how
we
do
it
for
some
of
the
other
boards
that
I
work
with
as
well.
A
There's
one
particular
part
of
it.
You
want
me
to
zoom
to
let
me
know.
B
Yeah
so
feel
free
any
of
you
know
rev
or
liliana.
If
you
have
questions
because
this
is
your
first
meeting,
you
know,
please
don't
hesitate
to
ask
if
you
want.
You
know
some
clarification
on
any
of
this
information.
I
know
that
it's
this
as
being
a
new
board.
We've
sort
of
gone
through
and
staffs
worked
with
us
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
of
how
these
calls
are
taken
and
how
they're
you
know,
just
how
they're
taken
and
then
how
they're
researched
and
and
what
stays
open
and
what
stays
closed.
H
B
Great
well,
if
there's
no
questions
about
the
staff
report,
then
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
move
on
to
our
old
business,
which
is
the
first
order
of
business.
Is
a
working
group
update
which
we
have
two
of
those,
so
the
first
one
would
be
about
the
decibel
levels
and
ricky
want
to
give
an
update
about
that
and
then
talk
about
the.
F
Survey
sure
so
the
working
group
was
made
up
of
jeff
santiago
and
I
and
we
met
virtually
two
times
second
time
over
email.
The
objective
of
the
survey
was
to
follow
up
with
complainants,
who
complained
obviously,
and
the
noise
source
was
from
a
commercial
property.
F
We
thought
we
would
go
back
to
all
of
those
complainants
and
try
to
get
some
additional
detail
on
the
qualitative
impact
of
those
noise
sources
on
their
lives.
F
F
No,
not
not,
since
the
ordinance
has
been
approved.
I
went
on
field
measurements
with
ben
woody
and
sage
turner
around
kenoworth
and
mission
hospital
prior
to
the
ordinance
being
approved.
F
We
did
run
this
concept
by
staff
at
that
point
in
time
and
staff
compliance
staff
at
that
time
did
offer
the
advisory
board
members
who
would
participate
in
this
access
to
a
properly
calibrated
meter.
If
we
ultimately
concluded
that
taking
measurements
inside
the
residence
where
the
residents
feel
the
impact
of
the
noise
would
be
of
value.
B
You
know
where
people
write
their
answers
in
or
would
they
be
like
a
multiple
choice
like
yes,
you
know
yes,
no
sort
of
thing
or
like.
What's
what's
your
thought
on
that?
Just
in
terms
what
I'm
just
thinking
of
is
my
reason
for
asking
is
thinking
in
order
to
get
people
to
fill
it
these
things
out
to
make
it
as
easy
as
possible
for
them.
So
we
actually
get
the
feedback
and
I'm
thinking,
maybe
it
might
be
easier
if
it's
like.
B
Have
you
contacted
this
source
of
the
complaint?
Yes
or
no,
you
know
for
some
of
the
ones
just
to
make
it
a
little
bit
easier.
F
F
My
thought
on
how
this
is
going
to
get
to
the
complainant
is
depends
on
what
information
city
staff
has
as
an
actual
mechanism
to
contact
the
complainant.
In
some
cases,
they
may
only
have
an
email
address,
in
which
case
would
be
fairly
simple,
to
turn
this
into
a
google
form
and
an
appropriate
link
in
order
to
collect
all
that
information
so
that
it
would
be
in
one
place.
F
Until
we
got
to
the
point
where
the
board
would
agree
to
proceed,
I
haven't
began
to
work
with
todd
to
actually
understand
what
contact
information
we
have
with
these
complainants,
and
so
I
don't
know
what
the
splits
to
be
between
digital
and
telephone,
okay,.
B
F
I
I
I
see
what
you're
doing
it
you're,
trying
to
cover
all
the
bases
here
to
provide
as
much
background
context
for
everyone
to
kind
of
assess
the
data
and
everything,
and
I
especially
like
you
know
you
put
question
two
pretty
much
at
the
top.
You
know
right
after
the
first
question,
being
a
more
technical
question
where
that
will
give.
I
You
know
the
the
board
and
the
team
more
background
information
on
how
they
can
approach
the
broader
issue
about
you
know
the
the
relationship
between
the
complainant
and
the
source
and
everything,
because
obviously
what
this
does
is
it
not
only
gives
us
information
but
also
pinpoints
where
and
how
we
might
need
to
kind
of
jump
in,
and
you
know,
negotiate
and
everything
between
between
the
complaint
and
the
source.
So
I
I
think
it's
good.
F
So
you
know
as
a
a
matter
of
sort
of
protocol
here
I
guess
the
question
before
jessica,
since
you
brought
up
some
potential
improvements.
Could
we
vote
on
this,
as
is
with
improvements
recommended?
F
B
I
think
I
think
you
guys
are
in
really
good
shape
with
this.
Just
in
terms
of
what
you've
done,
I
think,
like
you
know,
my
suggestion
was
more
so
of
just
trying
to
make
it
more
accessible
like
to
get
as
much
as
many
results
as
you
can.
The
only
other
feedback
that
I
would
give-
and
I
don't
feel
like
this
needs
to
happen
before
voting
is
like
you
know,
because
constant
and
intermittent
can
be
open
to
interpretation.
B
So
I
would
say
how
often
are
you
dealing
with
this
and
maybe
make
that
a
multiple
choice
of
like
every
day?
You
know
twice
a
week
three,
you
know,
because,
what's
constant
to
me
might
be
different
for
constant
for
you
or
intima
or
intermittent.
So
that's
my
only
thing
just
in
terms
of
being
you
know,
leaving
anything
that
could
be
open
to
interpretation
and
actually
be
an
actual
data
point
versus
you
know
that
I
think
other
than
that.
B
I
think
that
I
think
that
we
can
vote
on
this
now,
just
to
say
it's,
you
know
it's
in
a
good
place
and
then
anything
else
is
just
working
out.
The
fine
details
which
I
feel
like
the
the
noise
compliance
team
will
be
have,
you
know,
have
a
lot
more
to
say
about
it,
just
in
terms
of
what
they
need
as
well
to
send
out
or
what
makes
or
for
us
to
send
out
what
makes
the
most
sense
based
on
their
experience
with
complainants.
B
B
Rick
makes
a
motion
to
approve
reb
dude.
Did
I
hear
a
second
from
you?
Okay
great.
Can
I
hear
from
the
rest
of
the
board
members
liliana
woody
approved
jeff
santiago.
Welcome.
Can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve
or
deny
from
you.
I
B
And
I
approve
as
well
so
the
survey
questions
for
the
decibel
level
working
group
are
approved
all
right.
So
next
order
of
business
is
the
other
working
group
which
we
have,
which
is
sound
mitigation,
and
we
have
you
have
received
in
the
group
of
documents,
a
good
neighbor
and
sound
mitigation
practices
that
I
have
been
worked
on
by
myself
and
jeff.
Santiago,
carmelo
pompolonio
and
also
granny
miser.
B
Who
was
with
the
noise
compliance
team
who
has
since
left,
and
so
we
basically
just
to
give
a
little
background
to
the
new
folks,
basically
we're
looking
to
create
some
best
practices
for
both
residents
and
for
businesses
that
we
could
put
on
the
website.
B
That's
just
sort
of
like
here's,
some
things
to
to
think
about
and
consider,
while
also
giving
some
examples
of,
of
what
people
can
expect
with
the
with
the
noise
ordinance
and
then
also
giving
direction
on
what
to
do
when
they
do
have
an
issue.
So
carmelo,
would
you
mind
taking
us
through
this
through
some
of
the
bullet
points
of
this.
I
Yeah,
of
course,
so
basically
for
those
who
are
just
joining
us
for
the
first
time
or
who
might
need
a
little
refresher
on
this.
The
the
first
thing
we
realize
when
kind
of
putting
this
together
is
that
we're
basically
just
trying
to
find
out
how
to
word
the
golden
rule
do
unto
others
in
various
ways
to
to
be
more
specific.
I
For
both.
You
know
residential
issues,
commercial
issues
and
everything
like
that.
So
we
wanted
this
to
provide
adequate
information.
So
when
people
are
kind
of
searching
online
to
look
for
more
background
context
as
to
how
they
should
approach
a
potential
situation
where
they
feel
like
the
decibel
level
or
the
ordinance
is
being
breached,
they,
this
would
provide
some
some
of
that
background
context
and
additional
supplementary
information
right
next
to
and
directly
in
line
with
the
pathway
to
actually
filing
a
complaint.
I
So
yeah.
Basically
the
going
down
the
quick
little
bullet
list
at
the
top.
The
first
one
was
just
being
considerate
and
mindful
of
your
surroundings
and
being
aware
of
how
sound
carries
more
often
than
not
no
one's
trying
to
be
a
jerk,
and
you
know
intentionally
just
blast
a
bunch
of
sounds
to
you
know,
be
a
public
menace
or
harass
their
neighbors
and
community
members
and
everything
it's
it's
typically,
you
know
accidents
or
etc.
I
So
we
just
wanted
to
put
something
in
there.
That's
like
you
know
if,
if
you're
having
a
barbecue,
if
you're
setting
up
an
amplifier
in
your
house
and
you're
playing
guitar,
you
have
music
speakers
or
etc,
etc.
Just
considering
how
the
sound
waves
carry
you
know
if
you're
sharing
a
wall,
if
you're,
not
everything
like
that,
so
the
second
one
was
be
informed
when
you
can
and
shouldn't
make
the
noise
and
the
this
information
this
this
list
itself
will
be
included
on
the
web
page.
I
That
has
all
the
more
specific
details
on
the
ordinances
on
the
ordinance
and
the
times
of
of
decibel
limits,
and
everything
like
that.
So
it's
just
saying
like
you
know,
basically,
if
you're
here
and
you're
reading
this
you're
already
doing
the
right
thing.
It's
the
first
good
step.
The
third
one
is
be
respectful
if
the
neighbor
asks
you
to
turn
your
music
down,
be
considerate
of
their
circumstances
and
oblige,
and
that
is
just
trying
it's
another
extension
of
our
kind
of
mission
to
facilitate
good
neighbor
relations.
I
Instead
of
just
simply,
you
know:
hey
there
might
be
an
issue,
I'm
just
going
to
immediately
skip
all
this
and
escalate.
It
and,
like
you,
know,
call
the
cops
or
something
like
that,
or
you
know
rights
right,
just
immediately,
jumping
to
writing
a
scathing
email
or
you
know
trying
to
get
like
some
investigation
where
you
spur
the
city
to
address
it
like
right
here
right
now,
when
really
the
source
of
the
sounds
might
still
be
in
compliance.
I
We
just
wanted
to
facilitate
good
neighbor
relations,
because
the
what
we've
heard
from
daniel
and
grenier
and
the
noise
team
is
that
the
data
shows
and
their
field
work
shows
and
when
they
talk
to
people
out
in
the
field
and
everything.
I
That's
just
having
a
conversation
with
someone
goes
so
far,
and
it
prevents
repeat
you
know
offenses.
If
you
will
complaints
and
everything
like
that-
and
it
just
helps
add
to
that
community
cohesion
and
build
better
levels
of
communication,
so
we
wanted
to
add
that
in
there
too
and
then
the
last
one
is
be
proactive
and
then
that's
kind
of
touching
on
the
being
informed
and
respectful
and
considerate,
but
just
giving
a
little
bit
more
detailed
examples.
I
I
suppose
you
know
so
it
says
there
if
you're-
I
I
don't
know
if
you
have
this
pulled
up
because
on
my
screen,
it's
just
black
in
the
chat,
but
I
I
guess
everyone
else
can
see
it:
okay,
okay,
cool
good
yeah.
I
So,
as
you
can
see,
if
you're
planning
a
party
practicing
an
instrument
like
I
said
you
know,
guitars
drums,
I'm
a
drummer
myself,
and
I
know
that
if
you
play
drums
in
a
building,
you
will
be
able
to
hear
the
drums
wherever
you
are
in
the
building
stuff,
like
that,
just
being
considerate
being
in
touch
with
your
neighbors
beforehand
goes
so
far,
and
we're
really
trying
to
encourage
that
line
of
thinking
where
you
know
most
people
will
hear
that
suggestion
and
be
like
oh
yeah.
I
Of
course,
like
that's
super
easy-
or
I
just
didn't
even
think
about
doing
that,
and
they
will
so
yeah
being
a
good
neighbor
can
go
a
long
way.
It
minimizes
the
need
to
report
an
issue.
I
This
is
really
just
to
again
provide
people
with
more
adequate
information
to
handle
it
more
appropriately
and
at
the
same
scale
of
the
problem,
rather
than
unnecessarily
escalating
things
or
just
you
know,
never
having
a
line
of
communication
with
their
neighbors,
so
yeah
in
many
cases,
being
a
good
neighbor
avoids
a
small
issue
becoming
a
problematic
situation,
and
that's
that
kind
of
just
having
a
conversation
with
your
neighbor
goes
so
far
and
clears
up
any
misconceptions
and
opens
up
that
line
of
dialogue
in
the
community
for
future
situations,
which
could
be
noise
related
or
not.
I
B
Yeah,
I
think
you
know
we
can
just
I
think,
just
that's
great.
I
mean
just
giving
an
idea
of
what
I
was
looking
for
is
just
like
why
we
made
this
and
what's
the-
and
I
think
you
did
a
great
job
of
that,
so
I
think
everyone
can
take
a
look
at
it
from
here
and
see
you
know
we
go
on
to
talk
about.
You
know
what
what
to
do
when
you're
experiencing
excessive
noise
and
then
also
we
wanted
to
put
some
information
in
there.
B
Also,
if
you
see
just
in
terms
of
some
of
the
things
that
the
noise
compliance
team
has
already
set
up
in
terms
of
multi-family
housing,
for
instance
having
people
you
know
directing
them
to
make
sure
that
they
their
first
line
of
action,
is
contacting
the
property
manager
or
tenant
or
homeowners
association,
instead
of
just
if
that's
at
all
a
possibility,
because
there's
been
so
much
work,
that's
already
been
done
with
the
noise
compliance
team
and
of
the
multi-family
housing
units
across
the
the
city
to
be
ready
and
able
to
deal
with
that,
of
course,
within
reason,
you
know
we
talk
about
that
too.
B
In
terms
of
like
contacting
the
noisemaker,
but
of
course
never
wanting
people
to
do
something,
if
it's
inappropriate
to
do
that,
if
it's
something
where
people
feel
like
their
safety
is
at
risk
or
anything
of
that
sort,
but
also
put
some
information
in
here
too.
About
example
of
what
the
decibel
level
limits
are.
B
What
what
an
expectation
of
a
noise
you
know
what
at
that
decibel
level
is,
and
then
we
go
on
to
address
businesses
with
indoor
outdoor
music
and
then
so
on
and
so
forth,
so
and
how
to
yeah.
If
you
want
to
keep
scrolling
down.
So
how
to
you
know
how
to
get
your
staff
engaged?
B
How
to
get
your
patrons
engaged
right,
because
we've
seen
some
of
this,
where
there's
been
some
complaints-
and
this
is
again
looking
at
some
of
that
data
that
we've
already
gotten
and
just
understanding
that
patios
can
be
loud
and
how
to
work,
to
mitigate
that
and
just
be
a
good
business
owner
and
then
also
being
proactive
with
giving
people
the
opportunity
to
contact
dsd
to
be
able
to
do
some
get
some
some
readings
and
and
talk
about
some
other
options
for
for
them
to
be
respectful.
Neighbors.
I
And
really
quick,
I
guess
it
should
just
be
noted
on
the
table
that
obviously
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
doing
this
is
anyone
can
go
online
and
look
at
the
actual
noise
ordinance
and
say:
oh,
you
know
x
decibels
for
x
area
at
x
time,
and
we
know
that
that's
you
know
going
to
be
readily.
I
It
is
readily
available
for
asheville
citizens,
but
the
reason
the
reasoning
behind
this
documents
was
also
to
kind
of
make
the
whole
situation
more
accessible
and
digestible
for
the
average
layperson
who
might
not,
you
know,
have
a
in-depth
knowledge
and
understanding
of
exactly
how
decibels
work.
So
we
wanted
to
just
kind
of
provide
like
clear
up
some
of
the
gray
area
too,
and
so
that's
why,
at
first
we
were
just
kind
of
saying
like
let's
you
know,
be
reasonable,
refer
to
the
noise
ordinance
and
everything.
I
But
here's
all
this
background
context
which
can
help
you
navigate
that,
because
we
understand
you
know
not,
everyone
is
going
to
have
a
decibel
meter
and
that's
just
that's
just
a
fact
and,
like
you
know,
I've
worked
with
decibels
for
forever,
but
they
work
on
a
logarithmic
scale
and
it's
not
a
very
intuitive.
You
know
math
problem
to
crunch
out
when
you're
in
a
situation
where,
if
something
might
be
annoying,
you
volume
wise.
I
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
that
we
added
rick
with
with
your
suggestion
from
the
last
meeting
was
toward
the
top
when
it
says,
if
you're
experiencing
excessive
noise.
We
have
the
second
bullet
point
there.
That
just
says
be
reasonable
and
you
you
suggested
rick
that
we
would
probably
benefit
from
at
least
having
an
example
of
like
the
decibel
scale.
I
So
we
put
the
the
blue
text
in
there
of
you
know.
For
example,
in
the
cbd
the
the
db
limit
is
from
10
pm
to
7
am
67
decibels,
which
is
roughly
the
equivalent
to
a
hair,
dryer
or
vacuum.
If
this
noise
is
loud
from
where
you
are
on
your
property,
there
may
be
an
issue.
So
there's
two
things
there:
it's
the
clarifying
example
of
one
one
one
example
of
that
particular
decibel
level
and
what
they
could
equate
to,
but
also
it's
like
trying
to
clarify
as
well.
I
That's
it's
it's
not
that
you
hear
a
hairdryer
or
vacuum
in
the
distance,
it's
that
it
is
that
it
is
equivalent
to
that
volume
as
if
you
were
next
to
the
hair,
because
there's
there's
going
to
be.
There
has
been
some
misunderstandings
with
that
as
well,
but
we
we
tried
to
clarify
that
too.
So
we
we
did
with
your
suggestion
from
last
time.
Rick
add
that
in
there
as
well-
and
you
know
as
as
always,
we
are
open
to
other
suggestions
before
moving
forward
for
for
all
of
this
so
yeah.
Thank
you.
F
I
You
know
we
would
like
to
have
this
supplementary
information
readily
accessible
for
people
sooner
than
later,
because
we
feel,
like
the
whole
mission,
was
to
get
this
out
there,
so
it
kind
of
in
frames
the
whole
complaint
situation
in
in
a
more
nuanced
but
accessible
at
the
same
time
light
so
anything
that
we
can
get
out
there
to
basically
help
clarify
some
stuff.
That
seems
to
be
repeat
issues
given
from
the
the
data
and
feedback
from
daniel
and
kanye
yeah
it
would.
It
would
help.
F
Haley,
can
you
scroll
up
so
we
can
read
the
bottom
again
since
the
document
wasn't
provided
in
advance.
This
is
the
first
opportunity
to
read
it.
A
B
F
No,
I
think,
I'm
okay,
it's
it's
not
a
change
in
policy.
It's
just
attempting
to
hope
to
clarify.
I
just
I
didn't
know
you
were
gonna,
look
for
a
vote,
and
so
I
wasn't
really
reading
it
in
any
real
detail.
I
thought
it
was
just
an
update.
Just
just
my
mistake.
I
guess
everything
there
seems
okay
to
me.
B
H
B
We
move
on
to
new
business,
so
first
order
of
new
business.
I
want
to
make
a
motion
to
remove
a
new
krishnan
from
the
board.
He
has
only
attended,
I
believe,
the
first
meeting
that
we've
had
of
this
committee
and
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
remove
him
so
that
we
could
get
somebody
else
in
his
position.
B
G
H
B
A
Yep,
I
will
get
in
touch
with
the
city
clerk
and
let
them
know
that
the
emotion
was
passed
and
they
should
post
it
at
their
next
posting,
which
I
think
probably
won't
be
until
either
the
end
of
this
month
or
beginning
and
next
month,
but
anyways.
We
should
be
able
to
get
a
new
board
member
in
place.
I'm
thinking
by
november
at
the
latest.
Okay.
B
Great,
thank
you.
Okay.
Next
order
of
new
business
is
meeting
frequency
rick.
You
want
to
take
that.
F
Yeah,
so
now
that
we
have
two
new
board
members
and
this
huge
volume
of
year-long
historical
data
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
I
was
thinking
that
maybe
it
was
time
we
went
back
on
an
every
month
cycle
because
we
said
you
know
back
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
that
we
needed
a
year
of
data
before
we
felt
comfortable
analyzing
the
data
with
city
staff
and
making
policy
recommendations
well
in
either
four
or
nine
days.
The
ordinance
will
have
been
in
effect
for
a
year,
so
that
data
is
year
long.
F
So
I
think
we
had
gone
to
every
three
months
because
we're
kind
of
waiting
to
collect
that
data
and
we
didn't
really
have
active
working
groups
back
when
we
went
to
three
month
cycles
and
now
we've
got
the
survey
that
we'll
try
to
get
out
and
we'll
have
results
coming
in
from
that.
So
I'm
proposing
that
we
go
back
to
a
monthly
cycle
open
for
discussion
with
the
board.
A
We
can
also
hold
a
special
meeting
as
like
a
retreat,
an
annual
retreat,
it's
pretty
common
for
boards
to
have
one
of
those,
and
that
can
be
a
longer
meeting.
It
could
be
held
in
person
to
make
it
like
a
lunch
thing.
There's
options
for
the
annual
retreat,
so
if
we
didn't
go
back
to
every
month
and
that
a
retreat
option
still
sticks
out
there,
if
we
go
back
to
every
month,
the
annual
retreat
option
still
is
there
as
well.
It
would
just
mean
maybe
having
two
meetings.
One
month.
B
I
I
think
it
would
be
beneficial
if
we
did
the
retreat
that
haley's
talking
about
I'm
just
wondering
if
it
would
be
good
for
us
all
to
get
in
the
same
room
with
the
data
in
sort
of
looking
at
everything.
I'm
not
saying
that
as
a
in
as
opposed
to
I'm
just
thinking
we're
looking
at
if
we
look
at
every
other
we're
in
september.
B
B
If
we
could
get
part
of
part
of
my
thinking
is
like
you
know,
can
we
get
more
work
done?
Can
we
get
further
along
with
doing
the
the
the
retreat
the
staff
retreat
versus
having
a
meeting
each
month?
I
don't
know,
I'm
I'm
just
adding
that
to
the
discussion
of.
I
don't
have
an
answer
either
way,
but
I
guess
the
other
question
is
looking
at
like
what
what's
the
end
result
like.
B
A
The
retreat
would
be
publicly
posted
it
would.
You
know
it
would
be
up
to
the
public
if
they
wanted
to
come,
but
it
would
be
an
open
to
the
public
sort
of
thing.
We
just.
I
think
it's
72
hours
that
we
need
to
make
notice
of
for
a
special
meeting
of
the
sort
with
planning.
We'd,
probably
give
the
city
clerks
much
more
notice
than
that.
A
But
yes,
it
would
be
open
to
the
public,
so
we
try
to
hold
it
somewhere.
Where
I
mean
you
can
even
have
an
annual
retreat
at
a
restaurant.
If
you
want
it,
it
just
has
to
be
somewhere
to
where
if
in
theory,
the
public
could
show
up
so
we'd
have
to
get
a
big
table
kind
of
thing.
Just
in
case
somebody
show
up
okay,
but
we
could
also
hold
it
here
at
public
works.
I'd
be
happy
to
get
you
guys.
Some
lunch
make
it
a
thing.
F
Part
of
my
thinking
I,
like
the
retreat
ideas
well
part
of
what's
driving.
This-
is
that
the
normal
cycle
of
life
for
advisory
board
is
an
annual
report,
and
that
annual
report
is
due
like
the
15th
of
january,
or
something
like
that.
Haley
isn't
didn't.
We
have
to
hustle
at
the
last
minute
to
get
something
done
last
year.
A
It
was
a
little
bit
of
a
crunch
last
year,
just
because
we
only
had
the
one
meeting,
so
the
annual
retreat
is
a
really
good
time
to
discuss
your
goals
for
the
upcoming
year,
what
you've
accomplished
over
the
past
year
and
then
it
can
be
used
for
a
lot
of
different
things,
but
most
groups
use
it
as
kind
of
goal
setting
time,
but
since
you
all
haven't
had
a
whole
lot
of
time
to
or
no
time
at
this
point
to
meet
in
person,
you
could
also
use
some
of
that
time
to
you
know,
work
through
some,
some
areas
that
you
guys
might
want
to
have
some
deeper
discussion
on.
F
Yeah,
so
I'm
in
favor
of
the
retreat,
regardless
of
whether
we
change
the
frequency
or
not.
One
of
the
I've
been
involved
in
the
boards
and
commissions
ongoing
public
input
and
all
that
sort
of
thing,
and
one
of
the
big
issues
is
that
a
lot
of
boards
never
make
any
formal
recommendations,
and
I
think,
there's
at
least
a
chance.
B
Have
recommendations
in
it
yeah,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
I
think
if
we
shoot
for
for
the
end
of
october
for
doing
a
retreat,
and
then
we
have
that
meeting
in
december
then
that
feels
like
we've,
we've
gotten.
You
know
some
extra
time
in
and
does
set
us
up
so
that
we're
not
in
that
same
position.
H
I
Personally,
I
could
sway
either
way,
I'm
I'm
comfortable
with
either
approach.
I
I
agree
with
what
rev
just
said,
but
again
the
retreat
does
sound
nice
as
well
clarifying
question
what
which,
which
of
the
two
off
months
would
the
proposed
retreat
take
place
in
again.
I
just
missed
it.
F
Thank
you.
So
you
know
if
we
met
in
october
and
we
took
homework
and
we
either
met
again
in
november
or
early
december,
we'd
essentially
be
meeting
every
month
and
and
in
that
retreat.
We
can
discuss
cycle
for
next
year
because
grab
for
the
first
six
months
of
the
year.
We
actually
did
meet
every
month
and
we
hadn't
really
started
many
working
groups,
or
at
least
the
working
groups
didn't
have
anything
to
bring
to
the
board
for
voting
and
execution
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
F
So
that's
that's
kind
of
why
we
we
dropped
back
to
three
month
cycle,
but
in
goal-setting,
like
haley,
said
we
have
that
debate
for
what
starts
in
january
and
how
much
we
should
go
and
where
I
have
hypothetically
a
third
new
board
member
by
that
time-
and
you
know
mondays
at
one
o'clock-
may
not
work
out
for
all
the
new
board
members
right,
because
we
had
to
go
and
work
hard
to
find
times
that
work
for
everybody.
So.
B
Yeah-
and
I
think
you
know
a
lot's
changed
from
when
we
first
started
meeting,
because
so
much
with
this
being
a
new
board
and
having
even
this
new,
you
know
noise
compliance
team,
so
much
of
it
was
just
getting
data
in
fact,
part
of
what
these
meetings
were,
which
I
just
thought
of,
is
that
each
meeting
staff
was
also
presenting
a
different
part
of
the
noise
ordinance,
because
it's
so
expansive,
and
so
we
were
going
through
each
meeting
and
it
was,
you
know,
waste
pickup.
It
was,
you
know,
a
commercial
areas.
B
It
was,
you
know
all
these
different
things,
so
the
you
know
getting
it
like:
the
city,
the
city
off
city
staff,
we're
still
just
getting
a
handle.
On,
I
mean
we
didn't.
We
didn't
even
know
how
many
multi
family
units
the
city
had,
and
so
that
was
part
of
like
so
we
were
meeting
and
it
was
kind
of
like
we
were
all
getting
this
information
together.
B
So
so
much
of
the
first
part
of
our
of
this
board
was
just
getting
a
handle
on
all
of
this
information
and
how
to
and
what
and
how
to
take
it.
And
what
to
do
with
it,
so
you
know,
I
think
I
think
it'd
be
good
now
that,
after
after
a
year
of
us
figuring
out
like
what's
what's
the
data
that
we
have
and
how
can
we
be
the
most
impactful
in
in
our
mission,
it
would
be
that's
I
feel,
like
that's
gonna
dictate
so
yeah.
B
I
I
think,
let's,
let's
see
if
we
can't
figure
that
out-
and
I
guess
haley
that'll
come
from
you
in
terms
of
figuring
out
how
dates
and
times
that
will
work
for
all
of
us.
A
Yeah
I'll
get
a
doodle
pull
out
this
week,
probably
tomorrow
I'll
try
to
go
ahead
and
get
it
out,
because
I
know
it
can
take
us
a
while
to
land
on
a
date
time.
So
let
me
just
make
sure
I'm
following
we're:
gonna
do
a
annual
retreat
in
october
correct
and
then
would
you
did
you
want
to
meet
in
november
on
our
normal
time?
B
And
then
we'll
probably
have
like
rick
said,
probably
have
some
homework
in
between,
because
you
know
one
of
the
next
things
that's
coming
up
after
we
talk
about
waste.
Holler
is
another
working
group
and
I
kind
of
have
a
feeling
like
there's
going
to
be
some
other
working
groups
that
are
going
to
come
out
of
this,
which
will
then
entail
mean
more
work
for
us
in
between
that
retreat
and
the
next
month.
So.
A
Okay,
yeah
so
I'll,
be
in
touch
about
a
special
meeting
for
october,
as
an
annual
retreat
and
december
will
be
at
our
normal
date
and
time
for
sure.
And
then,
if.
C
A
All
want
to
amend
the
bylaws
in
december
and
because
we
did
write
in
your
date
time
into
the
bylaws.
So
if
we
want
to
move
that
change
that
we
can
cross
that
bridge
in
december
after
you
all
have
had
some
time
to
discuss
at
the
annual
treaty.
D
A
Well,
I'll
definitely
probably
shoot
out
this
our
normal
date
and
time
as
one
of
the
options
just
because
I
know
it,
it
sometimes
works
if
anybody's
out
of
town
or
unavailable
I'll,
make
sure
there's
some
other
options
for
that
as
well.
A
A
B
Okay:
okay,
next
order
of
business
waste,
hauler,
pickup
rick,
you
want
to
take
us
through
that.
F
Yeah,
so
this
was
this
is
before
the
ordinance
was
approved.
F
There
was
a
meeting
with
several
of
the
waste
haulers
held
at
held
at
city
offices
and
what
became
clear
during
that
meeting
was
the
five
o'clock
time
frame
5
a.m
as
the
earliest
time
that
waste
haulers
can
start
rocking
the
world
of
downhill,
downtown
residents.
F
The
downtown
residents,
the
downtown
business
owners
and
city
staff
have
put
a
system
in
place
where
one
hauler
handles
all
the
pickups
on
this
alley.
Another
hauler
handles
all
the
pickups
on
this
other
alley
and
therefore
they
don't
have
to
start
at
five
o'clock.
In
the
morning.
Waking
people
up
by
banging
trash
can
lids.
F
You
up
at
five
o'clock
in
the
morning,
noise
but
hand
that
off
to
that
that
community
and
if
and
if,
ultimately,
the
downtown
residents
aren't
interested
enough
in
participating
and
working
through
it
with
that,
then
those
who
complain
occasionally
aren't
backed
up
by
their
neighbors
and
therefore
you
know
I
for
one
will
cross
this
office,
something
that
is
actually
a
problem
in
the
ordinance
today
with
a
five
o'clock
starting
time.
F
So
if
the
board
agrees
with
that
approach,
that's
actually
a
recommendation
that
I'd
be
willing
to.
You
know
draft
up
somewhere
between
now
and
the
retreat,
and
since,
as
the
president
of
the
coalition
of
national
neighborhoods
and
one
of
my
board,
members
sits
on
the
downtown
national
residence
group.
I
can
reach
out
to
them.
As
we
have
concluded,
we
can
to
see
if
they
would
have
interest
so
I'd
either.
F
I
Clarifying
question
so
basically
you're
saying
that,
with
the
current
system,
there's
multiple
waste
management
companies
that
are
coming
for
a
single
given
alley
street.
What
have
you
and
this
system
would
change
it
where
it
would
pretty
much
zone
their
operations
by
by
area
one
one
company
per
area.
F
Yeah-
and
you
know
we
in
that
meeting-
I
was
saying
we
didn't
get
into
those
details,
but
the
goal
would
be
no
existing
successful
waste
hauler
would
lose
out
on
businesses.
As
a
byproduct
of
this,
you
know,
let's
say
let's
say,
there's
four
waste
haulers
and
there's
a
hundred
businesses
downtown
and
just
for
the
sake
of
arguments
say
they
all
pay
the
same
amount
to
get
their
waste
hauled.
F
Well
then,
the
orchestration
would
make
sure
that
all
four
of
those
guys
still
ended
up
with
25,
but
instead
of
needing
to
go
to
16
alleys
to
serve
25
residents,
businesses,
they
may
only
end
up
going
to
four
and
because
they
wouldn't
be
fighting
for
the
same
physical
space
for
their
trucks.
At
the
same
time,
they
would
agree
that
they
could
complete
their
work
before
it
became
a
safety
hazard
to
the
public.
F
So
there's
a
lot
of
work
there.
Don't
you
know
this,
isn't
something
rick
can
just
write
up
on
a
chalkboard
and
say
this
will
all
work
out.
Fine,
what
I
would
say
in
all
fairness-
and
I
don't
you
know-
ben's
still
here-
he
probably
remembers
better
than
me.
F
The
waste
haulers
president
didn't
seem
to
be
opposed
to
this
idea.
If
somebody
would
like
go
orchestrate
it
and
make
sure
that
it
didn't
hurt
their
business.
The
sanitation
person
in
attendance
felt
like
that
might
be
an
overwhelming
task
for
existing
city
staff.
F
Hence
my
approach
that
this
would
be
a
working
group
between
businesses
and
residents,
because,
ultimately,
I
think
the
businesses
that
need
a
lot
of
trash
pickup
like
every
day
are
typically
entertainment,
venues
and
restaurants
and
things
like
that,
and
they
want
the
downtown
residents
to
come
over
and
eat
there
or
drink
there
or
enjoy
the
music
there.
So
they
seem
like
they'd,
have
a
lot
in
common.
F
It
just
would
take
an
effort
to
get
them
in
the
same
room,
and
it
would
seem
like
city
council
would
want
to
weigh
in
on
that
effort,
so
that
the
path
of
least
resistance
is
we
make
that
recommendation
and
then
let
them
carry
it.
B
C
B
I
I
think
it's
worth
a
try.
I
think
it's
you
know.
I
think
it's
a
opportunity
to
solve
an
issue
that
we've
seen,
and
so
you
know,
if
we
can
also
you
know,
engage
some
citizens
that
are
affected
by
this
through
darn
to
you
know
takes.
I
think,
it's
worth
making
a
recommendation
to
to
city
council,
barring
anything
that
staff
may
want
to
tell
us
that
we
may
not
have
a
you
know
that
we're
missing
from
making
that
recommendation,
but
it
seems
like
something
that
could
be
complete.
B
It
seems
like
if
it's
been
doable
in
other
places,
it's
completely
reasonable
to
not
have
to
have
four
different
waste
companies
going
to
the
same
alley
and
having
to
start
at
5am
so
that
they
can
each
get
in
and
get
out.
When
seems
like,
one
could
do
that
for
at
a
reasonable
hour
before
people
are
walking
on
the
streets
and
not
have
to
get
run
over
by
them.
D
D
B
D
B
It's
actually
a
good
point
too,
from
the
from
the
waste
haulers
perspective
right,
you
know
if
they
only
have
to
hit
one
alley
or
four
alleys,
as
rick
was
saying
versus
having
to
hit
10
right,
then
that
might
be
able
to
be
something
that
you
know.
But
then
again,
that's
part
of
that's
a
lot
of
work.
That's
a
lot
of
work
of
somebody
negotiating
at
and
being
that
liaison
between
the
businesses,
the
residents
city
and
the
waste
haulers.
B
G
B
I
say
I
say:
yeah
go
for
it.
I
think
rick
put
something
put
something
together
for
us
to
look
at
for
the
and
and
reach
out
to
your
connections
in
your
relationships,
to
see
just
to
gauge
the
level
of
interest
of
of
folks
from
darn
wanting
to
put
the
energy
participating.
Okay,
I
got
it
perfect.
I
I
support
it
too.
It
does
seem
like
a
difficult
situation
to
wrangle.
There's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
I
mean
personally,
I
I
don't
have
any
problems
with
regulations
of
the
private
sector
that
benefit
the
public
good.
That's
I'm
in
full
support
of
that,
but
you
know
just
stating
the
obvious
again
like.
I
If
such
a
system
kind
of
changes,
either
the
financial
bottom
line
or
stands
as
any
sort
of
perceived
or
real
inconvenience
for
any
of
these
companies,
we
can
certainly
expect
pushback,
so
I
guess
kind
of
getting
all
the
ducks
in
a
row
and
really
weighing
all
the
pros
and
cons.
I
mean
I'm
I'm
interested
in
what
a
potential
resolution
would
look
like,
so
I
I
support
it.
B
Yeah,
definitely
I'm
I'm
a
I
love
systems
thinking,
so
I'm
I'm
super
curious
to
see
how,
like
all,
what's
all
the
all
the
moving
parts
in
terms
of
where's
the
points
of
leverage
in
this
system
to
make
to
make
a
change,
because
I'm
not
going
to
pretend
like
I
understand
about
you-
know
waste
hauling
and
that
sort
of
thing
I've
certainly
run
several
businesses
and
restaurants
being
one
of
them
in
the
past.
So
I
know
what
that
bottom
line
looks
like
with
your
with
food
costs
and
all
the
other
expenses
you
have
so
yeah.
B
It's
it'll
be
it'll,
be
interesting
to
see.
If
we
can't
this
recommendation
can't
be
helpful.
So
thanks
rick
thanks
for
bringing
that
table.
Okay
next
new
business,
we
have
is
potential
working
group
of
vehicle
noise.
B
B
A
I
think,
if
I
remember
correctly
from
our
agenda
setting
meeting
rick
had
proposed
a
few
different
areas
that
could
be
good
for
the
board
to
examine
and
looking
at
those
different
things,
we
were
able
to
pinpoint
that
vehicle
noise
is
something
that
comes
up
on
the
noise
log
from
our
complaints
that
we
log
very
frequently
and
the
current
ordinance
is
written.
It
doesn't
give
there's
not
a
whole
lot
that
dsd
staff
can
do
to
address
the
vehicle
noise.
A
F
I
think
I
started
off
this
by
just
saying
you
know
kind
of
throwing
my
hands
up
and
saying
this
part
of
the
ordinance
just
sucks
and
doesn't
work
at
all.
So,
let's
just
tell
city
council
that
it
doesn't
work,
but
todd
in
responding
to
emails
from
citizens
has
sort
of
opened
my
eyes
to
the
nature
of
vehicles
and
law
enforcement
and
civil
versus
misdemeanor.
F
F
It
it
seemed
to
me
we
got
a
bunch
of
email
from
one
of
the
applicants
who
ultimately
wasn't
chosen
for
the
the
noise
advisory
board.
That
felt
just
very.
J
But
I
think
I'm
was
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
briefing
to
council
here
in
a
couple
weeks,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
introduce
myself
to
the
group,
my
name's
todd
justice,
I'm
the
new
compliance
coordinator,
which
basically
means
that
I
am
responsible
for
managing
most
of
our
zoning
and
code
enforcement.
J
Folks,
including
the
noise
compliance
officer,
and
I
have
a
few
years
of
experience
with
code
and
zoning
enforcement
in
other
places.
Before
I
came
to
asheville
before
that,
I
was
a
officer
in
the
army
for
20
years,
so
mostly
I'm
a
planner
and
a
thinker,
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So
I
have
dug
into
this
problem,
particularly
since
I
had
a
couple
of
conversations
with
rick
and
some
emails
with
him
and
a
few
other
people.
J
And
I
I
would
encourage
you
to
do
the
working
group
and
try
and
get
some
some
people
together
to
think
about
it.
But
I
it's
it's
going
to
be
a
difficult
thing
to
do
to
manage,
because
we're
talking
about
motor
vehicles
and
the
only
people
that
are
authorized
to
stop
motor
vehicles
or
law
enforcement
officers,
which
means
that
this
immediately
falls
into
the
lap
of
apd
and
what
they're
able
or
willing
to
enforce.
J
It
only
addresses
vehicles
without
a
muffler
or
with
an
improperly
functioning
muffler,
and
so
the
problem
we
have
today
is
we
have
mufflers
that
work
just
fine,
yet
creating
loud
noise,
which
is
what
they're
designed
to
do
so
they
kind
of
automatically
fall
out
of
any
legal
statute.
That's
out
there
now.
J
What,
when
you,
when
you're
dealing
with
ordinances,
you
want
something
that
you
that
can
be
very
clearly
answered
with
a
yes
or
no.
Is
this
in
violation?
Or
is
it
not
that's
the
problem
with
the
subjective
standards
that
we
have
in
those
ordinance
now
when
it
comes
to
residential
neighborhoods,
is
what's
subjective
the
majority
of
our
complaints,
the
person's
really
upset
because
subjectively
they
feel
like
they're
being
disturbed.
J
You
go
down
the
street
to
the
next
house
and
the
resident
there's
like
I
didn't
hear
anything
at
all,
so
it
it
and
and
what
do
we
enforce,
and
what
do
we
not
enforce
in
this
case?
Is
that
that's
that's
something
that
my
staff
has
to
wrestle
with,
because
we
operate
within
how
the
ordinance
is
written
so
anyway,
revving
engines.
J
So
in
most
cases-
and
I
think
most
of
our
complaints
about
motor
vehicles
come
from
the
downtown
area
where
we
have
these
vehicles
that
come
through
and
they
stop
at
a
light
and
they
put
their
drive.
You
know
put
their
transmission
in
neutral
or
push
in
the
clutch
and
they're
just
sitting
there
revving
the
engine
and
they
get
into
competitions
with
one
another.
And
you
know
it's
all
about
the
noise.
They
can
create
right.
Well,
that's
very
easy
for
a
police
officer
to
say
you're
in
violation.
J
You
know
you're
you're,
revving,
your
engine-
that's
not
allowed
in
this
particular
area
if,
if
they're,
if
they
have
loud,
mufflers
and
they're,
just
driving
down
the
street
they're,
never
going
to
get
above,
2000
rpm
and
they're
not
going
to
be
cr
they're
going
to
have
some
noise,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
a
nuisance
type
noise.
It's
just
going
to
be
a
little
loud
and
they're,
accelerating
they're
moving
out
of
the
area.
They're
not
going
to
be
different
very
long.
J
B
C
B
H
D
I
agree
we
have
that
issue
even
motorcycles
with
just
loud
blaring.
Music
has
been
disturbing.
H
F
Rob
I'll
I'll
share
the
contact
information
with
the
person
from
downtown
who
is
fairly
highly
upset
by
how
this
is
and
and
seem
to
be,
eager
to
participate
so
eager.
In
fact,
that
letters
have
already
been
sent
to
city
council.
C
A
Okay,
so
we've
kind
of
already
briefly
went
over
this
last
month,
but
basically
council
is
gearing
up
to
come
up
with
a
are
we
back
in
person
or
are
we
going
to
be
remote
sort
of
policy
and
from
my
understanding
right
now,
they'll
be
voting?
A
So
if
we
decide
we
want
to
be
remote,
we'll
be
remote
for
a
year,
and
this
doesn't
apply
to
special
meetings.
As
far
as
I
know,
I
still
have
to
reach
up
to
the
clerk's
office
like
in
regards
to
our
retreat,
for
example,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
it
doesn't
apply
to
special
meetings,
but
for
all
regularly
held
held
meetings.
You
have
to
go
one
route
or
the
other,
so
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
vote
on
this
today.
A
We
could
vote
on
it
at
our
next
meeting,
but
come
october
they're
going
to
be
looking
to
us
to
see.
Are
we
remote
or
are
we
in
person
if,
if
their
policy
passes
antoinette,
does
that
sound
right
have.
L
It
that
is
exactly
right.
I
do
think
there
is
a
requirement,
and
I
can't
which
would
remember
exactly
which
way
that
would
be
a
two-thirds
vote
for
one
of
the
options.
I
just
can't
remember
which
one
exactly
it
is,
but
again
that
won't
be
until
the
full
council
decides
to
make
it
so
which
option
is
the
two?
Third,
I
don't
I
don't
remember
it's.
A
I'm
thinking
it
would
probably
take
effect
for
october
meeting
if
they
go
that
route,
but
I
don't
think
that's
what
they're
proposing
I
think
they're
proposing
to
vote
on
that
choice
or
not.
But
if
the
choice
gets
voted
down
then
I
think
it
would
default
to
in
person
I'm
not
a
hundred
percent
on
that
yeah.
But
that's.
E
My
understanding,
yeah
you
get
the
noise
advisory
board
you'll
decide
how
you
want
to
meet
whether
that's
in
person
or
remote
and
that'll
probably
be
like
kaylee,
said,
probably
for
your
october
meeting.
But
it's
up
to
you
to
make
that
meeting
format
decision
once
you've
made.
That,
though
you
need
to
you
need
to
carry
that
through
for
the
entire
year
of
meetings.
G
I
Okay,
I
guess
yeah
we
can.
We
can
discuss
this
in
more
details
later,
but
just
as
a
quick
side
note,
I
will
be
in
finland
for
the
entire
months
of
november
and
december
personally,
but
as
far
as
how
that
might
affect
everything,
I'm
not
sure
I'll
still
be,
of
course
available
for
these
meetings.
It's
not
a
problem.
You
know
I'm
not
dropping
off
the
face
of
the
earth,
but
I
won't
be
able
to
meet
in
person.
Obviously-
and
I
can
discuss
that
more
later-
but
yeah.
A
L
B
J
F
Yeah
so
two
things,
especially
for
our
new
members,
who
probably
haven't,
read
all
the
fine
print
yet
you're
only
permitted
to
miss
one
quarter
of
the
annual
meetings
before
you're.
Technically
a
member,
not
in
good
standing
of
the
board
right.
That's
that's
the
fine
print!
So
I
have.
I
have
a
similar
situation
to
carmelo,
except
in
february
and
march.
F
I
will
be
somewhere
substantially
warmer
and
sunnier
for
those
two
entire
months
next
year.
So
I
will
tip
my
hand
to
my
vote
I'll,
be
placing
my
vote
for
continuing
to
do
virtual.
F
But
I
do
have
one
question,
and
maybe
this
is
in
the
fine
print
or
not
having
been
thought
since,
as
we
see
with
liliana
today,
I
think
she's
in
a
109
at
the
offices
there.
F
F
You
know
show
up
in
the
conference
room
if
you
want
to,
but
as
long
as
that
conference
room
is
set
up
to
be
appropriately
set
for
some.
You
know,
google
meets
you
could
do
both
and
that
would
it
would
still
be
considered
a
remote
meeting
right.
A
That
I'd
have
to
ask
the
clerk
on
it's
possible.
It
might
be
okay,
okay,
I
just
don't
want
to
set
any
weird
precedence,
because
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
people
who
have
been
pushing
for
hybrid
meetings
and
just
right
now,
staff
capacity
hasn't
been
there
to
accommodate
hybrid
for
every
board
and
commission.
We
just
don't
have
a
policy
surrounded
surrounding
that
right
yet,
but
it's
certainly
something
we
could
discuss.
I
you
know:
there's
I'm
always
happy
to
go
to
the
clerk
and
see
what
what
our
options
are.
F
Yeah,
so
I'm
on
the
same
email
list.
You
are
haley,
I
think
everything
associated
with
boards
and
commissions
and
there's
strong,
strong,
strong
arguments
which
I'm
sure
are
going
to
show
up
at
every
city
council
meeting
until
they
make
this
decision
that
a
it
shouldn't
be
a
super
majority.
F
It
should
just
be
a
majority
and
b
that
in
today's
world,
when
we
want
inclusiveness,
we're
basically
excluding
people
who
can't
achieve
transportation
to
a
remote
location
on
a
monthly
schedule,
so
it
seems
sort
of
inconsistent
with
the
goal
of
boards
and
commissions
being
highly
equitable
and
highly
inclusive.
F
To
then
say
you
got
to
get
to
this
building
which
may
or
may
not
be
close
to
a
bus,
stop,
etc,
etc.
So
I
just
wanted
everybody
who's,
not
stuck
in
the
middle
of
these
never-ending
email
chains
that
go
back
and
forth
four
times
a
day
to
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
pressure
from
a
certain
segment-
and
I
too
would
would
like
to
have
the
flexibility
while
I'm
away
to
still
participate
and
do
my
homework,
and
I
won't
be
able
to
do
that.
If
I'm
3000
miles
away
from
here.
B
Heard
I
m
my
you
know
just
to
discuss
this
now
my
I
would
rather
do
remote
for
the
same
reasons,
because
I
already
have
dates
and
places
that
I
have
to
be
in
outside
of
asheville
in
february
and
working
on
a
potential
consulting
gig.
That
would
take
me
out
of
town
a
significant
amount
of
time
off
and
on
so
which
I'd
still
want
to
participate
and
work.
G
I've
already
done
a
few
remotely
of
our
past
meetings,
and
so
I
I
I'm
with
you
guys
on
that.
B
Okay
sounds
like
we
are.
A
lot
of
us
are
in
agreement,
so
yeah
well
we'll
we'll
further
that
conversation,
but
it
sounds
like
we're
all
a
lot
of
us
are
on
the
same
page
and
we'll
see
whoever
our
new
board
member
is
and
how
they
feel
about
that.
So
any
any
thoughts
from
the
staff
as
well.
I
mean
y'all
are
part
of
these
meetings
too.
B
A
D
F
So
I
just
like
to
think
that
there
was
a
way
that
didn't
have
to
cause
the
whole
city
staff
and
I.t
team
to
stand
on
their
head
right.
A
few
of
us
wanted
to
come
to
a
conference
room
and
actually
see
each
other
and
shake
our
hands,
and
hopefully
we
could
work
that
out.
I
mean,
as
a
person
who
didn't
know
anything
about
zoom
two
years
ago
and
who
can
now
spin
it
around
in
every
possible
direction
they
ever
could
go
there.
Just
must
be
a
way
to
do
the
same
thing
with
google
me.
J
Yeah,
so
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
were
involved
in
government
before
covid
became
everybody's
reality,
but
I
think
that
statute
by
statute,
the
expectation
has
always
been
that
the
board
meets
at
a
location
that
is
open
to
the
public,
so
the
public
can
come
and
listen
to
what
the
boy's
saying
what
decisions
are
being
made
et
cetera
and
when
koban
came
down
and
and
the
state
realized
that
they
weren't
going
to
be
able
to
continue
with
these
public
forums.
J
I
don't
know
that
that
means
that
when
the
when
the
governor
rescinds
all
of
the
voted
requirements
here
in
a
few
weeks,
if
he
hasn't
done
already,
I'm
not
sure
the
exact
date
that
all
that
goes
away
and
we're
statutorily
mandated
to
go
back
to
public
gatherings
with
at
least
the
board
there
I
mean
the
the
meetings
themselves
have
always
been
televised
since
youtube.
J
You
know
kind
of
came
about,
and
that
was
the
medium
that
every
local
governments
were
using,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
you're
going
to
have
much
of
an
option.
I
guess
is
what
I'm
saying
here
fairly
soon,
and
there
are
others
in
the
in
the
city
staff
that
can
speak
to
that.
But
my
understanding
is
that
if
all
of
this,
these
online
meetings
have
been
the
exception
rather
than
the
rule,
mostly
due
to
it
in
those
restrictions.
E
So
I'll
just
add
real
quick,
so
the
governor
did
lift
the
state
of
emergency
on
august
15th,
so
we're
actually
out
of
that
now
and
this
option
that
you've
been
given
by
haley
today.
That
is
the
city
attorneys.
E
What
they
believe
is,
or
is
the
legal
option
that
you
have
as
an
advisory
board,
so
todd
you're
right.
I
think
city
council
is
already
back
to
in-person
meetings.
This
conversation
about
council
committees,
but
the
legal
office
has
said
that
under
the
conditions
given
today
that
advisory
boards
can
continue
to
meet
remotely,
although
you're
right
todd
that
I
don't
think
that
was
ever
expressly
envisioned
in
the
statutes
years
ago.
So
so,
if
the
super
majority
of
you
want
to
do
the
remote
meetings,
that's
great
that'll,
be
your
that'll,
be
your
future.
E
A
I'll
also
know
a
lot
more
about
our
hybrid
capabilities
in
that
room
after
tomorrow,
helping
out
with
one
of
the
board
and
commission
realignment
working
group
meetings
and
we're
going
to
do
a
hybrid
in
there.
So
we'll
see
how
that
goes
as
well.
I
might
need
to
order
some
new
equipment
if
the
city
clerk's,
okay,
so
of
course,.
L
L
Yeah
and
then
I
encourage
all
to
follow
up
with
the
city
attorney
regarding
hybrid
as
an
option,
because
I
believe
that.
L
A
F
In
these
hybrid
meetings
we
had
to
pass
a
cell
phone
around
in
that
room
because
the
microphone
on
the
camera,
on
top
of
the
big
tv
wasn't
hooked
up
or
working
right
and
and
people
sell
this
stuff.
You
know,
there's
lots
of
vendors
now
that
would
let
you
plug
a
usb
port
into
the
computer.
That's
running
the
video
and
run
up.
You
know
either
one
speaker
in
the
center
of
the
table
or
like
they
used
to
have
in
the
old
days
that
a
bunch
of
little
cards
that
run
out
to
all
around
the
table.
F
F
If
we,
if
city
council
stays
where
they
are
with
just
the
two
options,
is
it
then,
and
we
pick
remote,
do
we
then
break
a
rule
by
having
any
two
members
of
the
board
in
the
same
location
at
the
same
time,
because
that
essentially
becomes
a
hybrid
right?
F
E
Rick
is
like
today
we
made
an
accommodation
for
liliana.
I
mean
this
isn't
intended
to
be
a
hybrid
meeting.
This
is
where
we
had
and
there
may
be
other
board
members
where
we,
the
city,
has
to
make
an
accommodation
for
whatever
reason.
So
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
makes
your
question
interesting
when
we
didn't
choose
to
have
a
hybrid
meeting
today
we
had
a
board
member
that
didn't
have
access
to
the
proper
equipment
to
have
the
remote
meetings,
so
we
made
an
accommodation
in
one
of
our
conference
rooms.
E
F
B
Moving
on
last
order
of
business,
new
business
is
up
com
upcoming
council
brief
from
todd.
J
All
right,
so
we've
been
working
with
these
slides
for
the
presentation
that
we're
going
to
give
ben's
going
to
give
with
me
kind
of
providing
some
backup
cheerleading,
if
necessary,
but
the
just
short
and
simple
there's.
Basically,
four
key
takeaways.
That
ben
wants
to
talk
about
the
first
one
being
the
fact
that
we've
been
able
to
reduce
apd's
man-hours
that
they're
using
to
address
noise,
which
is
something
the
council
was
kind
of
focused
on
the
fact
that
the
noise
complaints
are
really.
J
We
only
have
data,
of
course,
for
the
for
the
last
12
months
of
the
new
ordinance
being
in
place,
but
the
last
the
data
that
we
have
for
the
last
12
months
is
pretty
much
in
line
with
previous
years
as
far
as
noise
complaints,
so
there
hasn't
been
a
dramatic
increase
or
decrease
really
in
the
number
of
complaints.
J
I
think
that
we
could
present
the
argument
well
that
we
have
been
able
to
address
the
complaints
more
efficiently
and
to
more
folk
satisfaction
than
probably
previous
years.
But
then
the
actual
number
of
complaints
has
not
really
increased,
and
then
we
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
chronic
sources
of
complaints
that
we
were
able
to
address
some
of
the
business
locations.
J
Some
of
the
venues
that
were
creating
just
you
know
repeated
complaints
over
and
over
again
and
how
we
kind
of
looked
at
those
and
addressed
those,
and
then
the
last
bullet
is
has
a
lot
to
do
with
some
of
the
challenges
that
we're
dealing
with,
which
we've
talked
about
here,
the
subjective
standard
and
the
motor
vehicles,
and
how
we
can
go
about
addressing
that
a
little
better.
J
These
slides,
of
course,
will
be
public.
So
I
think
that
when
haley-
and
I
get
finished
tweaking
them
later
this
week,
haley-
is
that
our
deadline,
or
is
it
next
week.
J
B
F
So,
let's
not
make
sure
I
got
this
straight.
F
F
So
if
a
board
member
has
any
trouble
with
any
of
those
slides,
then
our
remedy
is
to
attend
the
city
council
meeting
and
to
sign
up
to
speak
there.
J
A
L
You
know,
actually,
we
usually
receive
updates
at
least
yearly,
but
anytime.
You
want
to
make
a
formal
recommendation,
put
it
in
written
form
and
you
can
send
it
to
me
and
I
will
send
it
to
my
colleagues
or
you
can
send
it
to
counseling
under
the
council
group.
Email
that'll
work
well
too.
So
anytime,
you
have
a
recommendation,
just
memorialize
it
in
writing
and
send
it
on.
L
Because
I
thought
we
were
anticipating
a
recommendation
from
the
board
since
the
beginning
of
the
inception
to
see
you
know
where
we
are
the
pros
and
cons
of
the
current
ordinance.
So
we
are
anticipating
that
from
you,
so
give
it
to
me.
E
E
I
stood
in
front
of
council
and
said
we'll
come
back
in
a
year
and
tell
you
how
it
looked
and
that's
all
this
is
it's
just
really
more
from
a
staff
perspective
about
what
this
year's
been
like
for
us
in
terms
of
trying
to
implement
the
ordinance
that
was
adopted,
it's
going
to
be
data
heavy!
It's
the
same
numbers
you
look
at
every
month.
It's
the
same
numbers
that
are
on
the
dashboard.
E
Certainly
don't
want
to
be
adversarial,
so
I
would
hope
that
if
there's
something
about
there's
a
slide,
that
really
gets
you
sideways.
I
would
hope
that
we
can
just
have
a
conversation
about
that.
We'll
try
to
share
it
early,
to
give
you
a
chance
to
look
at
it.
L
And
you
know
what
let
me
go
ahead
and
add
something
from
my
perspective
when
we
were
voting
on
the
ordinance.
Some
on
staff
had
mentioned
to
me
that
the
majority
of
the
complaints
came
from
neighborhoods
and
a
disproportionate
number
came
from
black
and
brown
communities.
L
E
That's
a
good
question
and
we
and
we
will
you
know
noise
complaints
can
be
anonymous,
so
I
could
never
tell
you
the
who
the
exact
person
is
that
complains
per
se.
But
what
we
can
quantify
is
we
can
look
at
it
by
census,
block
groups
and
so
each
census
block
group
will
have
a
set
of
demographic
characteristics,
and
so
that's
the
way
that
we
can
quantify
it.
We
can
look
at
the
proportion
of
noise
complaints
by
census
block
group
in
previous
years.
E
We
can
look
at
it
in
this
past
year
of
data
under
the
new
ordinance,
and
I
think
that
we
can
begin
this
complaint
type.
So
we
can,
you
know,
kind
of
assess
what
type
of
complaint
it
was,
and
so
I
do
think
councilman
mosley
we
can.
We
can
kind
of
shake
that
and
quantify
it
and
let
you
see
at
least
spatially
where
the
complaints
are
coming
from
and
the
nature
of
those
complaints
and
that's
the
kind
of
things
we
want
to
share
in
a
couple
of
weeks.
Okay,.
J
J
My
personal
view
of
all
this
is
that's.
That's
kind
of
the
advisory
board's
job
is
to
look
forward
and
come
up
with
recommendations
for
changes
or
or
whatever
I
mean
with
input
from
us,
but
we're
not
go.
I
don't
think
it's
our
since
the
advisory
board
exists,
it's
the
advisory
board
that
should
be
going
to
council
and
saying
hey.
We
think
we
should
change
this
or
change
that
or
add
this
or
add
that
not
not
the
city.
F
F
J
Daniel
will
often
he
knows
most
of
the
property
managers
by
name
has
their
compromi
their
contact
information
if
he
gets
a
complaint
out
of
one
of
those
neighborhoods.
The
first
question
is:
have
you
gone
and
talked
so,
and
so
I
talked
to
her
at
least
once
a
week,
she's
very
cooperative,
you
should
go,
ask
tell
her
your
problem
and
she'll
probably
handle
it
for
you,
and
that
has
taken
a
lot
of
work
off
of
his
plate,
so
to
speak.
So
I
I
think
that
that
particular
case
has
been
very
beneficial.
C
J
See
you
know,
just
as
we
would
normally
be
working
with
the
city
council,
like
I
said,
we're
going
to
work
with
the
noise
advisory
board
in
the
same
capacity.
So
if
you
have
questions
of
us,
if
you
want
more
data,
if
you
want
to
know
how
this
area
is
going
or
that
area
is
going
or
whatever
just
reach
out
and
talk
to
us
and
we'll
I
mean
I'm,
not
I'm
not
trying
to
push
responsibility
off
on
the
noise
advisory
boards
that
I
don't
have
any
it's.
J
I
just
see
you
as
a
different
conduit
of
information
that
I
that
me
and
the
noise
compliant
officer
have
to
take
into
account
and
address.
So
it's
not
it's
not.
M
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Everyone,
if,
if
if
there
is
a
way
for
us
to
see
those
slides,
that
would
be
great,
so
okay,
so
next
we
will
check
in
with
haley
to
see
if
we
have
anybody
waiting
for
public
comment.
A
M
Okay,
this
is
jeff
thompson.
I
I
may
be
the
retired
attorney
that
that
rick
was
referring
to
before.
I
think
one
of
my
main
concerns-
and
I
would
like
to
talk
more
with
rick
about
that-
would
be
the
the
issue
of
the
particularly
automobiles
and
motorcycles
amongst
others,
but
I
have
very
strong
feelings
that
this
they.
This
is
a
legislative
issue.
I
have
talked
with
todd
also-
and
I
do
believe
that
we
do
need
to
put
peace
into
this
issue
and
it
has
to
be
based
on
enforcement.
M
Nothing.
Nothing
can
really
happen
if
it's
not
adequately
enforced,
such
as
such
as
greenville
does,
and
some
other
communities
do
that
this
is
intentional
noise,
there's
not
a
constituency
that
would,
I
think,
to
be
opposed
to
strong
legislation
that
makes
this
a
traffic
offense
that
can
be
enforced
by
the
police,
and
I
think
that
greenville
uses
off-duty
police.
They
we
possibly
find
funding
for
that.
If
the
city
council
has
some
trouble
with
that,
I
think
I
think
there
are
a
number
of
people.
M
I
know
that
would
be
happy
to
kind
of
participate
in
some
kind
of
program
like
that.
So
I
think
that
this
is
very
intentional
and
it's
not
transitory
at
lights,
or
they
actually
have
groups
that
parade
downtown
as
late
as
two
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
sometimes
even
later
that
they
circle.
I
can
watch
them
from
our
windows.
They
they
have
a
path,
they
just
go
around.
They
go
by
hotels,
they
go
by
the
communities
they
go
by
the
condos.
M
M
It's
not
like
political
speech
and
the
other
thing
just
to
throw
out
real
quick,
because
I
think
todd
did
cover
pretty
well
there
stuff,
like
the
band
shell,
is
suddenly
being
used
by
kind
of
pop-up,
preachers
and
stuff
with
loud
loud
amplifiers,
some
type
of
licensing
or
some
type
of
controlled
use
of
these
facilities
would
be,
I
think,
advisable.
M
But
again,
I
think
you
know
we
have
to
consider
altering
some
laws
and
I
don't
think
we
find
much
exception
to
it,
because
it's
not
like
having
a
restaurant,
opposing
it
over
the
hotels
or
some
but
other
businesses.
These
are
just
people
designing,
trying
to
make
noise
and
making
the
downtown
unlivable.
A
K
To
the
noise
advisory
board,
my
name
is
tom
stewart.
I
live
on
at
20,
sylvan
avenue
in
the
montford
hills
area.
K
K
We
take.
We
take
a
lot
of
happiness
in
the
two
different
documents
that
that
you
reviewed
during
your
meeting
here,
involving
decibel
limits
for
noise
and
the
migration
of
noise
and
to
other
areas.
I
think
both
of
those
are
issues
that
are
impacting
our
neighborhood
and
we
want
to
keep
our
concerns
before
you
and
commit
to
work
with
you
and
the
music
venue,
and
anybody
else
try
to
resolve
the
issue,
but
we
want.
We
want
you
to
know
it's
an
issue.
K
So
thank
you
for
for
your
review
of
that
document.
A
B
B
I
can
give
you
a
little
bit
of
information
to
tell
you
that
I
was
cc'd
on
an
email
of
salvage
station
working
with
a
team
of
outside
engineers
to
work
to
mitigate
the
sound
that
as
it
travels
to
montford.
B
So
I
have
not
I'm
just
being
kept
in
the
loop
on
that
and
I'm
going
to
ask
them
to
make
sure
to
reach
out
to
the
citizens
and
let
them
know
the
the
progress
and
the
work
that
they're
trying
to
do
to
address
the
issues
that
you
and
others
have.
So
thanks
for
your
comment,
and
we
are
aware
of
it
and
we'll
continue
to
do
whatever
we
can
to
be
supportive
with
the
mitigation
board,
any
other
questions
or
discussion
for
these
comments
that
came
up.
D
B
D
B
Hearing
none
this
meeting
is
adjourned.
I
will
not
say
when
our
next
meeting
is
because
I'm
not
sure
when
that
will
be
because
we're
going
to
have
a
doodle
yeah.