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A
All
right
well
welcome
everybody
to
the
february
2022
meeting
of
the
urban
forestry
commission.
My
name
is
amy
smith.
I'm
the
chair,
nice
to
see
everybody
here
so
we'll
do
our
full
introductions
of
everyone
present
at
our
meeting
in
just
a
moment,
but
I
wanted
to
start,
I
guess
do
I
have
to
formally
call
it
to
order,
or
does
that
just
happen?
A
We
will
talk
about
my
lack
of
knowledge
of
actual
parliamentary
rules
and
procedures
a
little
later,
but
all
right
so
after
we're
called
to
order.
I
would
like
to
introduce
our
newest
member
of
the
urban
forestry
commission
and
we'll
all
introduce
ourselves
as
well,
but
starting
with
zoe
hoyle,
our
newest
member,
replacing
well
taking
the
seat
emptied
after
steve
hendricks
had
to
leave
us
after
his
long
tenure,
so
zoe.
If
you
just
want
to
introduce
yourself.
C
I'm
zoe
hoyle.
I
could
never
fulfill
steve's
position,
so
I
don't
see
myself
as
that,
but
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
working
with
the
forest
commission.
I
worked
for
the
forest
service
research
station
for
many
years,
retired
in
2016
and
actually
worked
freelance
on
some
of
their
national
urban
forestry
materials
for
about
a
year
after
that,
so
hopefully
I
can
be
of
help.
A
D
Dawn
hi
zoe
welcome
I'm
don
chavez,
the
executive
director
of
asheville
greenworks,
I'm
the
vice
chair
of
the
urban
forestry
commission.
It's
great
to
have
you.
E
Patrick
gilbert,
I'm
a
member
of
the
urban
forestry
commission
and
zoe
we're
glad
you're
here,
ed
macy
spoke
really
highly
of
you.
I'm
sure
you're
going
to
be
a
fabulous
member
of
the
commission.
Welcome.
A
All
right
and
cecil.
B
G
Hello,
I'm
deyoung
I've
been
serving
on
the
urban
forestry
commission
for
about
two
years,
a
little
over
two
years
now
and
with
the
specialization
in
the
open
space
amendment.
H
Yeah,
I'm
ed
macy,
hey
zoe,
it's
really
great
to
have
you
on
board
zoey
and
I
retired
from
the
forest
service
the
same
year,
but
our
paths
have
crossed
many
times
before
that,
and
I'm
I'm
really
glad
that
urban
forestry's
rubbed
off
on
you.
It's
really
exciting
to
have
you
on
our
team.
I
think
you'll
be
a
great
asset
thanks.
A
I
J
M
N
Foster
hi
zoe
welcome
aboard
I'm
the
city
arborist
with
public
works
department,
so
I
oversee
the
tree.
Crews
and
roadside
vegetation
management.
A
F
Hey
there,
no
I'm,
I
have
an
alternative
compliance
request.
Okay,
I'm
erin
and
I've
got
a
small
business
that
I'm
opening
in
west
asheville
called
story.
Parlor,
okay,.
A
You
did
I
miss
anyone
who's
with
us
in
person
or
in
our
virtual
meeting.
I
think
that's
everybody
all
right!
Thank
you.
So
next
we
have
the
minutes
from
our
december
meeting.
We
did
not
have
a
meeting
in
january,
so
go
ahead.
Parent.
G
Yes,
so
there
is
an
inaccurate
statement
in
the
minutes.
It's
it.
It
accurately
says
that
we
voted
four
members.
Amy
myself,
cecil
and
sharon
voted
for
my
motion
to
oppose
the
open
space
amendment,
but
then
it
says
that
the
motion
failed
by
a
vote
of
four
to
three.
So
so
the
minutes
are
backwards
in
that
respect,
and
it
needs
to
reflect
that.
My
motion
carried
by
a
vote
of
four
to
three
and-
and
I
just
want
to
take
this,
so
I
can't
vote
for
the
minutes.
G
This
seems
like
the
moment
to
mention
it
that
there
has
been
a
steady
stream
of
misinformation
about
the
open
space
amendment
that
and
all
of
it
for
the
past
two
years
since
I've
been
involved
in
this
subject
and
all
of
it
cuts
to
the
advantage
of
those
who
are
advocating
for
the
open
space
amendment
and
it
cuts
to
the
disadvantage
of
those
who
are
opposing
the
passage
of
the
open
space
amendment
and
it's
been
a
steady
stream
and
it's
been
very
consistent.
G
It's
been
from
the
beginning,
and
so
I
just
want
to
give
all
of
you
a
heads
up
that
when
you
hear
information
about
the
open
space
amendment
that
makes
it
sound
good
or
makes
the
opposition
sound,
bad
or
wrong
or
weak.
To
consider
that
you
might
be
dealing
with
misinformation,
because
there
is
a
lot
of
misinformation
out
there
and
all
of
it
cuts
in
that
direction.
So,
just
a
heads
up
before
passing
along
information
that
fits
that
profile,
maybe
seek
a
second
opinion
check.
A
B
A
Thank
you
so
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote,
so
I
is
to
approve
the
minutes.
No
is
to
oppose
it
with
the
revision
correction
for
the
vote.
So
would
it
be
true
to
say
that
zoe
should
not
vote
since
she
was
not
at
that
last
meeting
correct
so
anyone
else,
except
for
perrin,
because
he
proposed
the
change
kim
go
ahead.
I
So
this
is
a
tricky
situation
that
I've
also
been
in,
but
any
abstentia
is
counted
as
a
yes,
unless
you
have
a
reason
to
recuse
yourself.
That's
voted
on
for
the
group,
so
just
so
everyone
knows
that
if
there
are
any
abstentions
from
the
vote,
they
will
be
counted
as
yes,
okay.
A
Thank
you
so
dawn.
A
E
A
B
A
And
that
leaves
me
I
vote
I,
so
the
minutes
are
approved
with
the
correction
all
right.
So
next
we
do
have
our
alternative
compliance
for
227
haywood
road.
So
I
don't
know
who,
from
the
city
will
be
kicking
that
off.
M
The
only
landscape
standard
applicable
to
the
project
is
the
requirement
for
street
tree,
and
one
street
tree
would
be
required
along
each
frontage
but
they're.
Faced
with
some
challenges,
as
you
can
see,
the
building
is
built
out
to
pretty
much
the
property
boundary
line.
The
sidewalk
there
along
haywood
road
is
just
under
five
feet
wide,
so
does
not
allow
room
to
place
a
tree
grate
and
then
on
the
other
side.
They
have
this
very
limited
space
between
the
building
wall
and
the
street
edge.
You
can
see
with
the
vehicle
there.
M
H
Yeah,
the
question
I
have
is
is
that
asphalt
parking
lot
associated
with
the
building
because
it
seems
like
it's
a
really
thin
layer
of
asphalt
and
it
wouldn't
take
much
to
cut.
Make
a
cutout
past
the
building
in
the
parking
lot
area
behind
the
sidewalk
to
plant
a
couple
of
street
trees.
M
G
This
might
be
a
really
obvious
thing
to
ask
about,
but
is
the
is
the
applicant,
the
owner
of
the
building.
M
I
believe
she
is
the
perspective
ken
aaron.
Can
you
help
me
with
that.
G
Okay,
well,
just
on
that
note
I
well,
I
don't
want
to
short
circuit
anything.
Anyone
else
wants
to
say
about
trees,
but
maybe,
when
we're
done
talking
about
trees,
I
I
have
a
suggestion.
G
Yeah
so
miss
claire,
I
just
what
I
see
is
that
on
your
property,
there
is
just
that
one
little
strip
of
grass
on
on
howard
street.
G
It's
called,
and
so
I
just
I
saw
the
little
bird
house
on
the
side
of
the
building
and
that's
great-
maybe
you
could
consider
instead
of-
and
this
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
necessarily
with
your
alternative
compliance,
but
maybe
you
could
consider
using
that
little
strip
where
you
could
plant
some,
maybe
perennials
or
other
wildlife,
habitat
food.
You
know
for
pollinators
that
kind
of
thing
the
space
could
be
used
to
benefit
bees
and
butterflies
and
birds.
So
maybe
maybe
that's
the
way
you
can.
F
That
sounds
good
to
me.
There
is
a
parking
just
to
kind
of
add
on
to
some
of
the
restrictions
on
the
howard
side
street,
about
like
halfway
down
the
building.
There's
often
cars
parked
there,
so
it's
really
kind
of
just
like
maybe
a
third
where
we
could
do
ground
cover
like
that,
and
I
see
people
drive
over
it
all
the
time,
but
you
know
to
put
something
hearty
down
there.
I
would
love
that
just
for
the
beautification
of
the
space.
G
A
K
K
I'm
not
seeing
them
enter
the
speaker
queue
now,
so
they
might
have
public
comment
for
our
next
primary
public
comment
section.
A
A
D
A
E
A
E
A
B
A
G
A
K
Okay,
I
think
that
he
might
just
be
listening
in.
K
So
they
do
not
have
to
be
read
out
loud
if
they're
received
after
the
comment
deadline,
so
they're
just
for
your
review
and
if
anybody
has
any
discussion
that
they
would
like
to
bring
up
in
relation
to
any
of
those
public
comments.
That
would
be
your
decision
as
the
board.
Okay,.
A
So
hopefully
everybody
had
a
chance
to
review
two
public
comments.
They
were
from.
You
know,
trying
to
get
into
our
december
meeting.
Both
comments
are
related
to
the
open
space
amendment
so
a
little
bit
on
the
old
business
side
at
this
point,
but
please
do
review
those
and
check
them
out
in
the
documents.
Folder.
A
Sorry,
I
have
a
cat
going
crazy!
Apologies
if
you
can
hear
him.
Oh
man,
cats,
okay,
so
next
we
have
city
arborist
report
mark
posted
some
information
for
us.
Did
you
have
anything
to
go
over
or
does
anybody
have
questions
for
mark.
A
G
Yeah
mark
thanks
for
these
reports
about
tree
planting
and
as
it
goes
on,
it's
just
great
to
be
able
to
track
what's
happening.
I
was
just
wondering
one
of
the
ways
that
we
track
tree
planting
progress
is
by
the
numbers
of
trees,
like
some
of
the
goals
that
are
being
put
forward
to
city
council
have
to
do
with
the
numbers
of
trees.
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
add
those
to
your
reports
as
we
move
forward.
In
addition
to
the
square
footage
of
canopy,
that's
been
planted.
N
G
F
A
That's
collected
now.
F
A
G
N
I've
kind
of
been
occupied
with
getting
the
trees
out
of
the
road,
so
you
can
get
around.
That's
that's
been
a
major
focus
of
mine.
In
the
month
of
january,
like
the
like
the
minutes
state,
I
had
27
locations
for
the
january
third
storm
that
we
responded
to
and
it
actually
worked
out
to
nine.
D
Yeah
thanks
mark
for
all
your
and
your
crew's
work,
getting
all
the
trees
out
of
the
way
after
the
storms.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
we
we
as
a
city,
don't
have
like
a
single
repository
for
tracking
tree
data.
Oops,
sorry
tree
planting
data.
So
when
I'm
filing
the
tree
city,
usa,
application
on
behalf
of
the
city,
I've
had
to
ask
around
a
different
department,
so
it'd
be
good
to
have
like
one
place
where
all
the
departments
can
report
any
tree.
Planting
activities
so
like
the.
A
D
That
were
planted
on
the
greenway
as
part
of
a
capital
project
were
recorded,
but
not
shared
with
mark,
for
example,.
N
H
Yeah
as
we
move
ever
closer
to
funding
an
urban
forest
master
plan
right,
some
of
the
some
of
the
software
platforms
that
are
available
for
a
comprehensive
inventory
that
would
lend
itself
to
a
plan
do
have
some
really
good
tracking
capacity
for
newly
planted
trees
at
a
multi-departmental
scale
and
even
a
community
scale.
So
I
I
think,
as
we
move
in
that
direction,
we'll
we'll
end
up
with
something
that
that'll
enable
us
to
track,
not
only
trees
that
are
that.
H
N
Well,
the
in
the
case
of
the
ones
that
I
reported
on
these
are
overwhelmingly
trees
that
just
fall
out
of
the
woods
right.
You
know
we
have
lots
and
lots
of
wooded
frontages
in
asheville,
and
so
it's
not
necessarily
landscape
trees
that
are
falling
apart
or.
N
Yeah,
exactly
we
have
people's
trees
that
fall
out
across
our
road.
We
have
trees
that
are
within
our
right
of
way,
but
we
didn't
plant
them.
They
just
came
up
volunteer
that
split
apart
or
whatever.
So
it's
it's
a
variety,
but
it's
predominantly
not
trees
that
anybody
planted,
which
they
fall
out
of
the
woods.
A
All
right
anything
else
for
mark.
Obviously
I
agree
that
a
consensus
you
know
a
way
to
gather
all
the
data,
the
software
that
ed's
talking
about
there's
several
versions
that
are
really
awesome
and
would
collect
it
nicely
for
us.
It's
something
that
last
year
for
the
retreat,
I
got
with
dawn
and
gathered
as
much
data
as
we
could
like.
She
said
that
she
has
to
do
on
her
own
every
year
for
the
tree
city
report,
but
obviously
a
urban
forester
would
help
coordinate
that
as
well
and
vino.
A
Vadilla
pointed
out
the
open
tree
map
which
I
know
has
gained
traction
and
use,
and
that
would
be
an
okay
option,
although
I
don't
think
it.
I
don't
know
if
it
has
the
detail
that
we
would
want
that
would
be
in
in
some
of
the
other
tracking
software.
A
So
it's
nice,
but
not
the
whole
thing
that
we're
looking
for
anything
else
for
mark
thanks
mark
all
right.
So
next
is
the
the
report
that
you
can
see:
dsd
tpo
report
that
is
specifically
related
to
the
tree,
canopy
protection
ordinance
and
what
we've
been
tracking
so
far
for
last
year,
since
that
ordinance
was
implemented
with
some
of
the
data
that
they're
able
to
collect.
A
I
know
this
is
not
everything
you
might
want
to
see
in
data
collected
with
the
ordinance
I'm
working
with
nancy
to
see
what
else
we
can
get,
but
there's
some
limitations
to
the
trackability
of
some
of
the
metrics.
So
right
now
we
just
have
canopy
planted
square
foot,
canopy,
preserved
and
fee
and
loop
paid
by
the
different
districts.
So
any
questions
on
that
report,
as
it
is
here.
A
When
we
get
to
our
retreat
that
we'll
talk
about
coming
up
here
soon,
we
can
talk
about
some
of
the
other
things
we
might
want
to
see
on
this
report
and
then
see
if
it's
possible
to
get
other
metrics
but
I'll
go
ahead.
Ed.
H
Yeah,
I
think
in
this
report,
I
I
concur
with
what
karen
was
saying
that
it
might
be
useful
to
have
the
number
of
trees
planted
as
well
as
the
canopy.
H
You
know
it
might
be
just
a
mathematical
equation
that
can
give
us
the
number
of
trees
from
the
canopy
that's
provided,
but
I
think
that
would
be
useful
information
and-
and
I
I
have
I've-
had
one
nagging
thought
about
the
canopy
amendment
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks
and
I
just
wanted
to
throw
it
on
the
table,
so
it
doesn't
get
lost
and
and
and
that's
that
I'm
not
certain
and
it's
something
that
we
have
to
follow
up
on
through
the
policy
committee,
but
I'm
not
certain
if
the
developers
have
the
option
of
paying
of
doing
payment
in
lieu
if
there's
adequate
space
on
the
property
for
them
to
plant
trees.
H
A
G
And
nancy
I
just
to
follow
up
on
that
is
there?
Do
we
know
what
that
conversion
factor
is
like
how
many
square
feet
per
tree
planted?
Because
if
we
had
that
equation,
we
could
do
the
math
ourselves.
J
So
it's
different,
I
think,
based
on
the
size
of
the
tree.
That
was,
and
then
we
also
asked,
I
think,
and
we
sent
that
there
was
also
the
ask
for
when
we
do
the
fee
in
lieu.
How
much
is
that
that
that
compensating
form
like
what
would
have
been
required
right
or
square
footage
of
canopy?
How
much
does
that
cover
and
that
there's
not
a
real?
There
is
an
equation
for
that,
but
it's
all
based
on
the
property
value.
J
J
So
we're
going
to
see
what
we
do
require,
and
I
think
we,
this
information
is
mostly
there,
but
it
also
requires
updates,
within
our
permitting
system
and
staff,
to
update
that
and
put
that
information
in
and
all
of
this
takes
staff
time
and
that
person
who
does
some
of
these
reports
and
helps
us
with
that.
J
Detailed
information
is
no
longer
with
us
for
right
now,
so
we
have
a
little
bit
of
lag
time
on
that,
but
it's
best
to
also
try
and
do
this
once
and
not
continually
make
changes
so
that
staffs
aren't
continually
making
changes
to
what
they
were
requiring
these
people
put
on
the
plans,
but
what
they're
requiring
to
put
in
because
you
can't
go
back
and
get
information
once
it's
reported,
you
can't
go
back
in
the
system
and
change
it.
It
only
changes
from
the
day
it
changes
and
forward.
J
H
Yeah,
the
canopy
attributes
are
something
like
900
square
feet
for
a
large
growing
tree
and
400
something
feet
for
medium
and
200
and
something
square
feet
for
a
small
one.
But
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day.
It's
really
not
it's
important
to
consider
how
many
sticks
were
put
in
the
ground,
but
what
the
canopy
is,
because
we
can.
We
can
tie
the
canopy
more
directly
to
ecosystem
services
and
number
of
trees.
H
So
if
it
comes
down
to
how
we
best
employ
staff
time,
I
would
rather
just
you
know,
stick
with
the
canopy
measurements,
because
that's
the
most
useful
piece
of
information.
D
I
wanted
to
ask
about
the
fianlu
funds
that
have
been
collected.
What's
represented
on,
the
report
is
what
has
been
paid
and
then
do
you
have
a
figure
for
what
is
expected
based
on
future
payments.
J
Yes,
I
can
add
that
that
was
one
question
that
I
did
have,
because
I
did
change
that
like
between
last
year
and
this
year,
like
what
has
been
paid.
This
is,
I
think
that
number
is
what's
been
paid
totally
not
just
this
year.
I
can't
I'm
not
looking
for
what
it.
J
D
Okay,
I
think
it's
helpful
to
know.
I
I
think
it's
really
helpful
to
know
what
has
been
paid,
because
I
thought
there
was
a
much
larger
figure
than
right.
What's
there.
A
A
A
What
else
might
you
want
to
see
for
some
of
this
data
to
make
decisions
not
only
on
canopy
and
trees,
but
also
potentially
on
the
back
side,
when
we
spend
the
fee
in
lieu
money
having
some
of
this
data
would
be
helpful
as
well
as
far
as
canopy
that
did
not
get
planted,
for
example,
things
like
that
all
right
anything
else
with
that
piece,
then
we
can
move
on
to
old
business,
so
vadilla
requested
to
meet
with
us
again
and
update
us
on
where
we're
at
with
the
open
space
amendment
vidal.
A
Before
you
get
started,
I
just
want
to
bring
up
one
thing:
real,
quick.
I
think
it's
a
little
farther
down,
but
I
wanted
to
take
this
opportunity
to
talk
really
briefly
about
how
we
present
ourselves
as
a
commission,
how
we
deal
with
each
other
and
how
we
act
in
this
group
and
with
others
in
the
community.
A
There's
been
a
lot
of
passionate
response
to
the
open
space
amendment
as
well
as
some
other
projects
that
we've
worked
on
and
while
I
completely
understand
and
appreciate
passionate
engagement,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
always
have
civil
discourse
and
the
opportunity
for
everyone's
voice
to
be
heard.
When
we
get
to
a
vote,
you
know
I
don't
want
the
loudest
voice
in
the
room
to
be
the
only
voice.
That's
heard.
A
We
need
everybody
to
have
a
space
to
be
able
to
communicate
and
have
differences
of
opinion
in
this
group,
while
collecting
feedback
from
the
community
and
our
own
opinions
to
come
along
to
where
we
end
up
with
a
vote
on
this
or
any
issue,
we're
going
to
talk
under
new
business,
about
an
update
to
rules
and
procedures
and
talking
there
about
rules
of
decorum
as
well.
But
before
we
got
to
this,
I
wanted
to
just
make
sure
that
I
address
that
issue
and
make
sure
that
everybody
here
has
space
to
be
heard.
I
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
your
leadership
amy.
There
have
been
some
really
difficult,
challenging
conversations
in
this
in
the
organization
and
in
our
community,
and
thank
you
for
the
way
that
you
lead.
A
O
Thank
you
chair.
My
name
is
vidyla
sotheka
with
planning
and
urban
design,
and
I
promise
to
be
brief.
I
know
you
guys
have
a
lot
more
to
talk
about,
so
this
is
just
a
short
update
just
about
I
think
six
slides,
so
let
me
get
into
it.
O
So
we
had
an
idea
for
an
addition
to
the
code,
and
I
wanted
to
share
that
with
you
all.
As
you
will
remember,
the
current
standards
today
are
here
in
front
of
you
for
subdivisions,
so
this
is
a
proposed
change
just
for
subdivisions
relating
to
the
open
space
amendment,
and
today
we
have
a
requirement
of
20
open
space
and
the.
O
Actual
site
plan
that
shows
the
proposed
open
space
being
tucked
in
behind
properties
on
you
know
some
some
land
that
isn't
great,
isn't
easily
accessible,
because
it's
a
little
bit
more
challenging
with
topography.
O
What
we
are
proposing
is
to
reduce
the
total
amount
of
open
space
to
10,
to
15,
depending
on
the
quality
of
the
open
space,
and
a
key
change
for
subdivisions
is
that
it
has
to
face
the
street
so
that
it
doesn't
all
it's
not
all,
tucked
away
behind
properties
that
there's
actually
a
presence
open
space,
so
that
people
can
identify
clearly
where
it
is
so
that
if
they
have
a
community
barbecue
or
something.
That's
that
it's
on
the
street.
O
The
new
addition
that
we're
considering
that
I
wanted
to
float
with
you
all
is
an
alternative
for
subdivisions,
and
that
alternative
is
that,
instead
of
providing
the
open
space
as
you're,
seeing
in
yellow
that,
we
would
allow
the
developer
or
property
owner
to
instead
increase
the
total
tree
canopy
by
10
percent.
O
So
they
would
get
to
choose
whether
they
want
to
provide
if
they
had
the
better
design,
10
open
space
on
the
street
or
just
adding
to
their
tree
total
tree
preservation.
Ten
percent,
in
addition
to
what
they
already
would
have
to
provide.
O
O
So
in
my
mind,
more
people
would
choose
that
which
would
mean
generally
a
greater
amount
of
preserved
trees,
and
what
that
would
look
like
this
is
the
this
is
just
my
cut
and
paste
summary
of
tree
canopy
preservation
under
the
current
here
you
can
see
this
is
basically
their
requirement
right
for
tree
preservation
in
the
city
we
have
between
five
and
twenty
percent,
depending
on
the
class
and
the
location,
and
whether
or
not
you're,
preserving
trees
or
planting
new
trees.
O
So
that's
that's
the
summary
on
on
that
and
then
I've.
I
just
pasted
this
into
the.
This
is
open
space.
O
Zoning
summary,
so
it
shows
here
if,
if
you
know
assuming
everybody
is
in
agreement
that
this
moves
forward,
we
we
could
add
this
to
show
that
show
what
the
proposed
difference
is
when
you
compare
the
two
and
then
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
next
steps,
I
notified
you
by
email,
but
I
wanted
to
notify
you
all
here
in
this
public
forum
that
there
will
be
a
city
council,
open
space
public
work
session
on
tuesday,
the
eighth
of
march
from
two
to
four,
and
that
gives
us
all
gives
you
all
time
to
to
give
us
more
thoughts
and
we'd
go
to
planning
and
zoning
sometime
in
the
spring
I'll
turn
it
back
to
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
videla.
I
have
a
quick
question
to
kick
us
off
another
and
then
we'll
take
questions
from
the
group
as
well.
I'll
wait
till
he's
available.
A
All
right,
so
the
public
works
session.
Are
you
back
fiddle
all
right?
I
have
a
question
for
you.
So
if
a
subdivision
chooses
the
canopy
option,
where
do
those
trees
have
to
be
located
not
on
the
private
lots
right?
They
still
have
to
be
on
other
parcels
of
the
pieces
of
the
subdivision.
O
H
Sorry,
just
to
ask
the
same
question
more
thoroughly
or
in
a
different
way.
Let's
assume
that
the
subdivision
is
100
wooded,
so
the
build
is
going
to
knock
in.
You
know,
knock
the
trees
down
in
for
the
road
and
put
in
the
building
strips
and
utilities.
H
However,
the
the
setbacks
become
sort
of
in
many
communities
sankrasek,
you
just
can't
take
protected
trees
down.
So,
if
you
just
look
at
at
the
subdivision,
you
look
at
the
setbacks.
The
rear
setbacks
would
that
space
be
eligible
for
the
open
space
requirement,
because
in
looking
at
that,
it
probably
only
represents
about
10
percent
of
the
surface
area,
maybe
15
of
the
subdivision
and
with
100
canopy,
plus
the
open
space
forgiveness
for
ten
percent.
O
Let
me
go
to
the
to
this
slide,
I
think,
is
what
maybe
is
more
appropriate.
So
we
do
not
allow
open
space
to
be
counted
on
individual
parcels,
so
setbacks
would
not
count.
H
O
No,
I'm
sorry,
no,
no,
the
current
regulations
in
class
c
for
76
to
100
they
they
currently
have
to
either
preserve
15
or
plant
30
new
trees.
Okay,
that's
the
existing
as
it's
written
today.
What
what
we're
saying
is
that
if
they
chose
the
additional
10
option,
the
those.
H
O
Correct:
okay,
that's
that's
existing!
That's
on
the
books
today,
right
right,
so
the
yeah,
the
class
c
is
just
for
those
who
haven't
been
involved
in
this,
whereas
class
a
and
class
b
are
the
same.
I
think
it
was
understood
that
class
c
has
the
most
canopy
in
the
city,
and
there
is
a
the
standards
differ
there.
It's
more
restrictive,
the
more
trees
you
have
where
there's
there's
a
greater
incentive
to
encourage
the
preservation
of
those
trees.
D
What
I
like
about
this
proposal
is
that
it
increases
tree
canopy
potentially,
and
the
open
space
ordinance
does
not
require
trees.
At
this
point,
so
the
shared
open
space
can
be
completely
paved
over
with
no
increase
in
the
canopy
at
all.
Unless
they
choose
to
do
that
or
it
could
be
a
swimming
pool.
So
I
like
the
idea
that
this
is
encouraging
more
trees.
H
G
One
thing
in
response
to
ed's
question:
there
is
a
provision
in
the
current
version
of
the
open
space
amendment
whereby
setbacks
may
be
counted
for
up
to
50
of
a
developer's
open
space
requirements.
So
there
is
crossover
between
the
setbacks
and
the
up
and
the
open
space
there.
There
is
what
I
call
double
double
counting
of
those,
so
that
might
that
might
explain
some
of
what
you're,
seeing
there
ed.
O
I
have
two
questions.
Let
me
just
respond
to
that
in
this
case
for
subdivisions
that
what
you're
saying
is
not
applicable
because
the
open
space
that's
created
in
the
subdivision
is
on
its
own
parcel.
G
Okay,
thanks
for
that
clarification,
so
two
questions
for
you
by
dilla.
In
a
in
a
previous
slide,
you
had
indicated
that
the
required
open
space
for
the
subdivision
was
10
to
15
percent,
and
what
I
have
is
that
my
understanding
has
always
been
that
it's
15
flat
and-
and
so,
where
is
that
5
variation
coming
from
that
you're?
O
One
second
here:
well,
the
the
base
standard
for
subdivisions
is
15,
but
we
have
as
you're
well
aware,
reductions
that
allow
for
a
reduction
of
up
to
five
percent
for
projects
that
meet
the
higher
design
standards.
Okay,.
G
G
Okay,
well,
that's
realistic
and
then
the
the
other
question
that
I
have
for.
You
is
sort
of
doing
an
apples
to
apples
comparison
of
trying
to
translate
what
happens
when
we
trade
open
space
for
an
increased
tree.
Canopy
preservation
requirement.
G
So
have
you
done
any
analysis
of
sort
of
surface
area
of
because
to
say
you
know
what
we're
talking
about
when
we
look
at
open
space
versus
tree
canopy?
Is
we
have
two
figures
that
both
say
10,
but
one
refers
to
10
of
the
parcel
and
the
other
one
refers
to
a
10
increase
in
the
canopy
preservation
requirement,
and
so
what
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
is,
if
you
increase
the
canopy
preservation
requirement
by
10,
what
area
does
that
translate
to,
and
is
it
anywhere
near
10
of
the
parcel?
G
H
O
So
the
10
increase
for
the
subdivision
option
is
a
10
increase
in
relation
to
the
parcel,
because
the
slide
that
you're
seeing
now,
for
example,
these
percentages
are
based
on
the
parcel.
O
Ten
percent
of
the
parcel
correct.
So
if
the
parcel
is
a
hundred
thousand
square
feet,
you
have
to
preserve
ten
thousand
square
feet.
O
Yeah,
that's
correct
yeah,
so
so
what
we're
just
saying
is
that
part
that
that
number
for
the
entire
parcel
increases
by
10?
So
now
it's
20
of
the
parcel,
so
it
is,
it
is
apple's
apples
except
that
in
a
way,
I
think
you're
getting
more.
If
somebody
chooses
the
subdivision
option
because
the
way
that
we've
written.
O
G
Okay,
so
yeah
looking
at
this
map,
let's
say
they
chose
the
extra
tree,
canopy
preservation.
I
know
I
know
you
addressed
this
before,
but
I
didn't
totally
understand
the
answer
where
what's
the
difference
in
terms
of
where
these
trees
would
show
up,
you
said
that
they
would
be
on
site
correct.
There
would
be
like
a
dedicated
area
of
the
subdivision
that
would
have
the
either
con
preserved,
trees
or
newly
planted
trees,
but
that
would
be
on-site
on
the
parcel.
Is
that
correct.
O
That's
right,
tree
canopy
has
to
be
on
the
parcel
and
then
designate
it,
and
it
has
to
be
set
aside
on
the
plat
and
to
be
preserved
in
perpetuity.
So.
G
O
O
Then,
if
you
had
to
add
10
to
that,
you
would
have
to
you
know,
draw
whatever,
wherever
those
trees
are
and
and
add
that
to
your
total
now
in
it's
it's,
it
could
be
thought
of
in
different
ways.
I
mean
the
the
open
space
doesn't
preclude
trees
to
go
there.
O
So
you
know
without
spending
too
much
time
in
the
nuance
of
this,
I
think
you
know
tree
canopy
can
overlap
with
open
space.
I
think
that
the.
O
Is
going
to
be
that
open
space
requires
them
to
maintain
property
on
the
frontage,
and
this
will
be
a
disincentive
for
them
to
do
that
because
they
want.
They
will
most
likely
want
to
use
that
land
for
either
adding
a
parcel
or
making
the
existing
parcels
that
they
have
more
evenly
distributed
and
comfortable
for
better
sales.
G
O
To
preserve
in
perpetuity
the
amount
that
the
city
requires
so
by
adding
the
ten
percent
you're
just
further
protecting
a
greater
portion
of
land
in
perpetuity.
G
Okay,
thank
you
vardo
for
walking
me
through
all
that
and
being
patient
with
me
about
it.
My
feedback
is
that
if
it
were
a
15
tree,
canopy
trade,
that
that
would
be
in
our
interests
to
to
promote
that
and
be
on
board
with
that
idea,
because
in
that
sense
you
know,
because
you
could
be
trading
15,
open
space
which
theoretically
could
be
a
treat
area
for
10,
trees
elsewhere
on
site
and
that's
a
loss.
That's
potentially
a
loss
of
urban
canopy
on
site.
G
So
if
it
were
of
an
even
trade
15
percent
for
15,
then
that's
that's
something
that
I
could
agree
to.
O
O
D
Thanks
fidella,
do
you?
What
was
I
gonna
ask
I
forgot?
Oh,
have
you
floated
this
by
developers
to
get
their
input
on
if
this
would
be
an
incentive
or
not.
O
Nope
haven't
yet
we've
shared
this
with
knack
with
stacy
and
that's
it
for
now,
and
I've
shared
it
with
the
open
space
task
force.
So
some
of
the
members
of
dcag
or
downtown
commission
or
other
people
who
may
you
know
know
of
developers
and
designers
may
have
shared
it.
A
All
right
any
other
questions
for
vidilla.
Can
you
go
to
the
next
slide
with
the
the
public
meeting?
A
All
right
any
other
questions
for
vadilla
all
right.
Well,
thank
you
for
updating
us
on
that
all
right.
Next
talking
about
stacy's
letter
of
support
for
the
comprehensive
urban
forestry
program.
A
couple
weeks
ago,
I
was
able
to
attend
stacy's
regular
meeting
and
gave
them
a
brief
presentation.
A
They
were
running
behind
another
meeting,
but
a
very
brief
presentation
about
the
comprehensive
urban
forestry
program
and
what
we're
asking
for
is
a
budget
request
for
the
urban
forester
and
the
urban
forest
master
plan
and
asked
them
if
they
would
be
willing
to
support
us
in
our
efforts
and
they
wrote
a
letter
of
support
that
is
being
sent
to
city
council
and
they
voted
unanimously
to
support
us
in
our
budget
requests.
So
getting
some
good
cross
collaboration
with
other
boards
and
commissions
on
our
efforts.
A
So
we'll
keep
up
our
end,
but
I
just
want
to
let
you
all
know
that
stacy
did
vote
to
support
it
with
a
letter,
and
I
don't
think
I'll
get
the
letter.
We
didn't
attach
it
to
the
agenda
for
this
meeting,
but
I'll
get
it
and
we
can
include
it
with
the
minutes.
A
H
H
There's
a
lot
going
on
with
the
policy
working
group.
First,
I
want
to
start
with
chapter
20.,
patrick
and
I
have
been
working
on
it.
Diligently
and
and
sharon
recently
did
a
review
for
us
as
well,
and
it's
it's
ready
now
at
this
point,
to
go
back
to
the
city
for
their
review
and
for
us
to
meet
with
the
city
to
see
what
some
of
our
steps
going
forward
are.
H
I
will
say
that
you
know
move
moving
forward.
I'm
going
to.
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
one
of
the
offshoots
in
the
open
space
work
and
there's,
there's
a
need
for
us
to
now
sit
down
and
have
a
conversation
with
with
the
city
about
the
the
pan.
The
canopy
amendment,
which
is
chapter
719
and
there's
an
overlap
between
719
and
7,
11,
3
and
chapter
20
brings
that
in
a
little
bit.
So
what
we're
almost
working
with
now
is
a
rubric's
cube
of
policy
issues.
H
So
I
think
it's
time
for
us
to
really
roll
up
our
sleeves
and
look
at
the
relationships
between
these
chapters
and
have
the
city
kind
of
move
towards
finalizing
the
changes
in
chapter
20.
blow
the
dust
off
chapter
19.
now
we're
into
it
for
more
than
a
year.
There
are
some
some
patches
that
we
need
and
some
changes
that
we'd
like
to
recommend.
H
You
can
see
how
open
space
is
affecting,
potentially
the
canopy
amendment
ordinance
and
7-eleven.
Three
might
also
do
the
same,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
have
this
30
000
foot
holistic
discussion
on
all
this
stuff,
while
we're
in
the
weeds
at
the
same
time.
H
So,
moving
back
to
chapter
20,
patrick,
I
think
you
had
a
comment.
E
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
let
everybody
know
that
I've
asked
nancy
watford
to
set
up
our
next
meeting
between
the
ufc
policy
working
group
and
city
staff
from
development
services
and
public
works
to
start
discussions
on
the
revised
chapter,
20
document,
with
the
hopes
that
we
can
quickly
get
through
this
reach
agreement,
and
it
will
be
on
the
docket
to
send
to
the
city
council
sooner
rather
than
later.
But
I
also
think
that
you
know
ed-
and
I
did
discuss
this
while
the
whole
working
group.
E
Our
policy
working
group
discussed
this-
that
we
would
like
to
put
this
whole
package
of
udl
amendments
that
that
ed
referred
to
and
bring
it
all
to
the
city
council
at
the
same
time,
because
they
are
interrelated,
and
I
think
if
we
did
it
that
way,
the
city
council
would
get
would
get
a
better
idea
of
where
we're
going.
With.
All
of
this.
H
Thanks,
patrick
amy,
do
you
want
me
to
talk
about
the
the
the
spin-off
work
on
the
landscape?
Stand
the
design
and
specification
standards
as
part
of
this
discussion.
A
A
Not
only
would
it
kind
of
make
more
sense,
but
it
might
be
a
better
implementation
and
roll
out
for
the
city
instead
of
constantly
changing
things
as
they
go
along.
So
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
So
ed
did
you
want
to
talk
about
then
the
standards
and
specs,
and
then
I
don't
know
if
this
is
still
in
this
piece
of
chapter,
20
or
or
nine
or
719,
but
where
we're
at
with
possible
protections
for
trees
on
private
property
as
well.
H
Right
yeah,
it's
really
part
of
the
whole
discussion.
I
I,
I
think,
patrick's
suggestion
that
we
get
with
the
city
and
get
moving
forward
with
chapter
20
is
good.
While
we
can
currently
talk
about
this
other
stuff-
and
I
think
special
protections
for
heritage
trees
is-
is
something
that
we
would
like
to
talk
about
in
in
all
earnestness
with
the
city.
H
There's
a
very
strong
feeling
from
the
community
to
for
us,
that's
being
articulated
to
us
to
push
forward
on
this
and
we're
seeing
other
examples
around
the
state
where,
in
charlotte,
for
example,
there's
some
news
from
the
charlotte
observer
that
they're
doing
the
same.
I
think
we
have
a
window
of
opportunity
to
do
this
and
I
think
it
ties
into
3
chapter
20
and
the
canopy
amendment.
H
So
if,
if
we
can
start
getting
our
heads
together
with
the
city
on
chapter
20,
I
think
part
b
of
that
meeting
should
be
7
19,
a
7
11.
Rather
I'm
sorry,
I'm
getting
my
numbers
confused
the
canopy
amendment
and
then,
and
then
also
the
integration
of
these
changes
that
I'm
going
to
talk
about
now.
That
videla
and
this
other
group
has
been
working
on
with
7-eleven
three.
H
If
that
all
makes
sense
and
again
so
I
am
sorry,
it's
complete
alphabet
soup
for
you,
but
we'll
get
you
there
so
so
moving
forward.
One
of
the
spin-offs
from
the
open
space
discussions
was
the
establishment
of
a
committee
of
urban
forestry,
commission
members
and
members
of
the
design
community
to
talk
about
ways
that
we
can
change
landscaping,
standards
and
design
standards
to
better
enable
a
survival
of
trees
that
are
planted
in
the
city
that
are
required
through
7-eleven.
H
Three,
which
is
you
know,
permitting
for
land
development,
zoe
or
required
for
the
canopy
amendment
or
trees
being
planted
in
city
rights
of
way,
and-
and
we
talked
about
a
series
of
things
and
and
there's.
I
asked
vidilla
to
make
a
list
of
the
types
of
amendments
that
we've
discussed
over
the
last
six
to
eight
week
months.
Maybe
four,
four
or
five
months
for
sure
and
and
first
and
foremost,
is
implementing
a
minimum
soil
volume
for
trees
that
are
planted.
H
It
should
be
a
thousand
cubic
feet
for
large
trees
and
500
cubic
feet
for
small
trees,
which
which,
in
and
of
itself,
is
going
to
make
a
really
huge
change,
because
right
now
there
might
be
soil
volume
standards,
but
they're
not
adequate
enough
and
there's
just
tons
and
tons
of
work.
That's
been
done
by
urban
forestry
researchers
and
arborist
researchers
across
the
country
that
show
the
best
way
to
improve
trees
to
survive
on
cities
is
to
improve
solar
volume.
H
We've
also
talked
about
implementing
new
procedures
for
inspecting
trees
that
are
planted,
and
this
will
involve
third.
Third,
the
recommendation
is
for
third-party
inspections.
That
would
require
the
owners
and
developers
to
agree
with
inspections
for
pre-construction
site,
preparation,
planting
and
then
final
inspection
and
there's
a
checklist.
That's
been
developed
as
a
recommend
recommended
checklist,
so
I
I
think
that's
going
to
be
huge
as
well.
H
A
recommendation
for
procedural
changes
to
level
one
projects
requiring
professional
landscape
plans,
new
details
for
parking
islands,
we've
talked
about
reducing
the
number
of
trees
on
some
sites,
because
a
lot
of
projects
we've
been
seeing,
overcrowding
which
also
inhibits
canopy
development,
so
reduction
in
parking
lot,
trees
and
a
complete
removal
of
building
impact
trees
in
exchange
for
an
increase
in
the
canopy
requirements
on
the
same
sites.
So
it
I
know
it
sounds.
H
H
Better
quality
is
better
and
and
if
we
focus
more
on
quality
and
make
sure
that
we
have
enough
space
and
soil
volume
for
these
trees,
I
think
we're
going
to
increase
our
canopy
more
quickly
and
then
we've
also
talked
about
language
for
diversity
and
and
there's
a
proposal
that
can
allow
us
optimum
diversity
on
sites,
but
still
allow
design
professional
decisions
so
that
that's
kind
of
the
stuff
that
we've
been
talking
about.
I
feel
like
we're
missing
something,
but
that's
that's.
The
lion's
share
we've
been
doing,
patrick.
E
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
for
perspective
added
perspective
for
those
who
haven't
been
involved
in
these
discussions
that
initially
started
out
looking
at
ways.
We
can
improve
creed
planning
standards
in
the
central
business
district
and
as
the
discussions
unfolded,
and
some
of
these
concepts
came
up.
E
H
You're,
a
silver
silver
tongue
devil,
patrick
thanks.
Thanks
for
saying
that,
and-
and
I
could
not
agree
with
you
more-
I
think
that
to
this
point,
the
process
has
been
a
very
good
good
process.
I
I
have
a
lot
of
respect
for
the
design
professionals
that
you
know
are
out
there
working
for
developers,
but
they're
also
concerned
about.
You
know
good
design,
having
an
opening
candid
discussion
and
understanding
what
some
of
our
challenges
are
and
and
opening
their
minds
to
the
best
management
practices
you
know
derive
from
science.
H
A
Thanks
for
the
update,
that's
all
wonderful
work
that
is
going
on
and
just
ruby
knows.
I
took
steve's
place
on
the
policy
working
group
at
least
temporarily.
We
will
revisit
all
of
our
working
groups
at
our
retreat
and
just
make
sure
everybody's
where
they
want
to
be,
but
just
a
heads
up
on
that.
So
the
budget
request
working
group
like-
and
I
have
you
down
again-
I
don't
know
if
ed
or
don
or
someone
else
wanted
to
talk
about
or
patrick,
where
you're
at
with
budget
request
working
group.
D
Thanks,
so
the
budget
working
group
has
been
meeting
to
talk
about
how
we
can
persuade
city
council
to
include
funding
for
an
urban
forester
and
the
urban
forest
master
plan
planning
process
in
the
fy
23
budget,
we've
met
with
city
manager,
deborah
campbell,
along
with
ben
woody
and
amber
weaver
to
to
discuss
our
requests
and
they
were
favorable
for
whatever.
That
means
they
weren't
against
it.
D
I
guess
I
mean
deborah
campbell
was
not
against
it,
so
that
was
good
and
we
are
currently
strategizing
on
how
to
reach
out
to
each
of
the
city
council
members
to
have
a
discussion
with
them
about
this
request
and
the
urgent
need
for
an
urban
forest
program
in
our
city.
A
I'll
jump
in
and
add
to
that
one
of
the
original
ideas
was
to
have
a
presentation
to
all
of
city
council,
and
I
just
want
to
let
everybody
know
that.
There's
some
challenges
to
that
right,
this
minute
because
of
virtual
meetings
and
all
they're,
allowing
are
the
three-minute
public
comments
and
even
if
we
try
to
get
back-to-back
three-minute
public
comments,
they
cannot
run
the
presentation
concurrently.
So
that
particular
strategy
is
looking
like
it's
not
going
to
work
for
us
as
a
group.
A
Now,
of
course,
any
of
us
as
citizens
are
able
to
attend
and
put
in
public
comment
to
city
council,
and
I
encourage
anyone
to
do
that.
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
where
we're
at
with
that
overall
presentation,
but
they
are
still
on
the
budget
working
group
moving
forward
with
one-on-one
meetings
with
council
members,
so
patrick.
E
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
you
know
we
have
been
working
closely
with
ben
woody
on
this
budget.
Request
ben
just
sent
us
his
form
for
that
he'll
put
in
for
his
budget
request
for
an
urban
forester,
an
urban
forest
master
plan.
E
E
So
we're
really
hopeful
and
looking
forward
to
getting
right
into
the
meat
of
this
process
and
finally
bringing
this
home
once
and
for.
E
H
Right
thanks,
patrick
ed,
yeah
I'll
I'll,
add
if,
unless
somebody's
already
said
this,
but
ben
also
sent
us
a
timeline
for
the
budget
process,
so
we'll
be
setting
up
more
visits
with
city
council
around
that
timeline.
L
So
the
deadline
for
budget
requests
for
me
is
february
18th,
which
means
our
deadline
should
be
before
that
yeah.
L
A
A
A
All
right,
okay!
Well,
thank
you
for
the
update,
so
the
vermont
avenue
sidewalk
project
capital
projects
is
not
here,
but
they
actually
met
with
ed
and
I
to
give
us
an
update
on
vermont
avenue.
A
lot
of
you
probably
saw
that
a
survey
went
out
to
the
community
with
three
different
options:
to
get
public
feedback,
just
more
feedback,
they've
been
having
meetings
and
collecting
information
from
not
only
the
residents
on
the
street,
but
other
neighbors
as
well,
and
so
just
want
to.
A
Let
you
all
know
that
we
have
no
other
update
now
they
had
just
posted
the
survey
when
we
had
our
meeting,
but
I
did
want
to
I
don't
know.
I
guess
say
that
it
is,
I
think,
a
good
sign
that
capital
projects
is
now
coming
to
us
with
these
kinds
of
projects
where
trees
will
be
impacted
and
looking
for
our
feedback
along
with
that
vermont
avenue
project
you
guys
are
having
a
anyway.
A
They
talked
to
us
about
an
upcoming
project
in
the
hog
creek
area
and
we'll
be
getting
that
information
to
all
of
you
soon,
but
it
was
just
encouraging
that
they
were
coming
to
us
for
our
feedback,
even
in
the
early
planning
stages
of
some
of
these
projects,
where
trees
will
be
impacted.
So
we're
going
to
keep
going
with
that
collaboration
and
anywhere
where
we
can
help
the
city,
especially
in
the
absence
of
an
urban
forester,
we're
going
to
keep
pushing
for
that.
So
no
new
news
this
minute
on
vermont
avenue.
G
Yeah,
I'm
just
curious
if
anybody
has
any
thoughts
on
those
three
alternatives
for
vermont
avenue.
I
I'm
wondering
if
there's
more
than
meets
the
eye
in
terms
of
the
way
that
those
three
alternatives
were
presented,
but
does
anybody
have
any
thoughts
about?
Obviously
one
of
them
says
that
you
get
the
most
trees
in
the
end
and
and
that's
been
the
most
popular
option.
According
to
my
read
of
the
survey
results,
but
does
anybody
else
have
any
thoughts
about
it.
F
E
Yeah,
I
believe
that
the
the
survey
is
to
identify
one
favorable
option
for
sidewalk
construction
that
would
be
implemented
in
all
city
sidewalk
projects.
E
However,
saying
that,
because
the
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods
has
been
involved
with
the
folks
at
vermont
avenue
about
their
specific
project,
and
we
did
get
assurances
from
the
from
the
city
that
once
the
survey
results
are
in-
and
there
is
something
one
of
those
three
options
that
are
identified
as
the
preferred
option
for
sidewalk
construction,
they
will
go
to
the
neighborhood
associations
where
there
are
specific
projects
and
get
their
specific
input
into
that
that
project
for
their
neighborhood.
E
G
E
Obviously,
we
would
like
the
an
option
that,
if
there's
trees
involved,
that
there
would
be
an
option
to
preserve
as
many
trees
as
possible
and
to
the
extent
possible,
given
the
fact
that
the
city
isn't
awash
in
and
cash
that
they
consider
some
options,
that
sort
of
outside
the
box
to
preserve
as
many
trees
as
possible.
Sometimes
there's
just
not
going
to
be
that
opportunity.
A
Yeah
and
I'll
say
that
when
we
talk
to
capital
projects
that
the
tree
preservation
is
top
of
mind,
at
least
now,
so
maybe
we've
made
some
headway
there.
Now
we
all
know
that
those
trees
on
vermont
avenue
many
of
them
are
not
in
good
shape,
and
so
there
will
be
some
tree
loss
of
those
mature
trees.
So
the
question
is,
you
know
a
tree-by-tree
analysis
of
what's
savable
and
what's
not,
along
with
the
public
input
of
what
their
final
sidewalk
situation
will
be.
So
it's
a
tough
project,
there's
not
an
easy
answer
that
meets
everyone's.
A
You
know
optimum
outcome,
but
I
think
what
they
will
have
in
the
end
is
a
usable
sidewalk
and
that
capital
projects
does
have
preserving
as
many
trees
as
possible
as
top
of
mind.
A
A
Awesome
all
right
last
on
all
business
is
the
annual
report.
It's
been
written,
and
so
I
didn't
remember
this
from
before,
but
there
was
a
little
note
in
the
letter
that
I
got
from
the
city
clerk's
office
that
it
should
be
approved
by
the
commission.
A
So,
of
course
I
wrote
it
at
the
last
minute
that
it
had
to
be
submitted.
So
did
everyone
get
a
chance
to
look
at
it,
though,
attached
to
today's
agenda,
and
if
there
were
any
questions,
I
believe
we,
I
guess,
can
go
ahead
and
have
a
vote
on
it
or
if
there's
anything
you
want
me
to
change,
I
could
go
ahead
and
try
to
submit
a
you
know
a
late
amendment.
If
we
have
something
urgent
to
change
on
it,
any
questions
or
comments.
A
C
A
C
A
But
actually,
since
you
weren't
part
of
it,
you
won't
be
included
on
that
on
that
annual
report.
So
I'll
do
next
year
and
I
vote
I
so
that
annual
report
has
been
approved
and
it
has
been
submitted
to
the
city
clerk's
office.
All
right,
thank
you
so
for
new
business.
A
So
there
is
not
a
really
solid
rules
and
procedures
for
boards
and
commissions
there's
some
guidance,
but
it's
pretty
vague,
so
I've
just
been
doing
my
best
based
on
what
was
you
know
laid
out
by
steve
before
me,
and
you
know,
with
city
staff
staying
in
the
meeting
and
helping
me
out,
but
nancy
actually
started
the
update
to
the
rules
and
procedures,
a
manual
that
would
be
just
for
the
urban
forestry
commission,
but
based
on
other
commissions,
it
kind
of
came
out
of
the
noise
board
as
well.
A
Is
there
a
new
group,
so
this
at
this
point
is
just
to
let
you
all
know
that
we're
working
on
that
nancy?
Do
you
have
anything
to
add.
A
Got
it
so
at
this
point
it's
on
me
I'm
going
to
give
it
a
once-over
and
then
once
we
get
to
some
sort
of
base
level
on
that,
then
we'll
bring
it
to
the
group
for
a
discussion.
Patrick,
go
ahead.
E
You
have
a
question
to
either
you
amy
or
you
nancy
or
haley.
My
understanding
is
that
the
rules
of
procedure
generally
would
follow.
Robert's
rules
unless
a
board,
commission
or
a
city
council
or
a
county
commission
would
make
changes
to
robert's
rules
specif
specifically
to
fit
certain
occasions
or
needs.
Is
that
correct.
A
J
A
Know
about
robert's
rules
of
order.
Is
there
that
so
yeah,
so
patrick,
it
is
suggested,
but
again
there's
just
not
any
clear-cut
formatting.
That
would
make
it,
especially
for
a
group
like
this.
You
know
we're
not
going
to
have
hours
of
training
available
most
likely
to
get
everyone
up
to
speed
on
that
kind
of
level
of
detail.
A
So
the
idea
of
this
kind
of
manual
would
be
to
make
it
more
accessible
to
a
you
know:
boarding
commission
of
volunteers
to
have
a
format
to
run,
that's
something
that
would
at
least
answer
the
high
level
questions
and
then,
if
it
gets
into
something
quite
tricky,
we
could
of
course
look
up
something
along
the
lines
of
robert's
rules
of
order.
But
that's
kind
of
where
it's
at
is
to
give
volunteers
an
easier
way
to
understand
how
the
the
procedures
would
take
place.
J
Yep,
that
is
pretty
much
correct,
and
so
the
unc
school
government
has
provided
a
an
aiming
member
to
have
a
copy
of
rules
and
procedures
for
local
municipality
group
commissions,
boards
and
commission,
and
they
actually
put
together
a
rules
and
procedures
document
every
base
that
we
have
utilized
to
form
these
rules
and
procedures.
J
So
we're
utilizing
the
north
carolina-based
information
and
tweaking
it
to
fit
this
group
and
the
work
that
this
group
does.
So
that's
really
what
we're
looking
at
and
we
added
as
much
detail
as
we
thought
we
needed
to
there's
some
additional.
We
can
add,
or
we
can
remove
some
of
the
detail.
That's
in
there.
That's
all
up
to
you
guys
when
we're
at
the
retreat
to
kind
of
decide.
J
J
A
All
right
any
other
questions
on
that
and
we'll
be
sure
to
get
you
the
the
copy
in
advance
of
the
retreat
to
look
through
it.
Cecil.
B
Yeah,
my
sense
is
that
robert's
rules
are
pretty
simple.
I
don't
think
it
requires
a
deep
legal
knowledge.
I
learned
them
in
high
school.
In
my
high
school
student
council,
I
mean
it's,
it's
basically
just
kind
of
a
procedural
thing.
You
know
you
do
this,
you
you
take
a
emotion
you,
you
debate,
emotion,
you
vote
on
emotion
anyway.
I.
A
I
sent
out
a
couple
emails
this
morning
just
to
kind
of
see
if
we
could
get
a
date,
I'm
working
on
a
couple
guest
speakers,
so
I
really
want
to
get
them
our
date
and
time
and
then,
as
many
you
know,
city
staff
as
we
can
have
come
attend
now
there
were
a
couple
people
that
did
have
other
commitments
on
february
22nd,
that's
a
tuesday,
I'm
guesstimating
a
1
to
4
30
time
frame.
A
I
don't
think
we
need
to
go
all
the
way
to
5,
but
that
gives
us
just
that
little
bit
extra,
so
we
can
have
a
full
robust
meeting.
So
what
about
so?
If
we
keep
it
on
the
22nd?
A
So
far
there
was
just
one
person
that
might
have
to
come
late
and
some
city
staff
that
might
have
to
leave
early.
So
is
that
acceptable?
Or
do
we
want
to
look
for
an
alternate
date,
I'm
afraid
of
having
it
much
sooner
than
that?
A
Because
of
you
know
public
notice
and
coordinating
all
of
these
different
presenters
and
participants,
we
could
also
try
a
morning
time,
but
one
of
our
groups-
that's
a
guest
speaker-
are
in
colorado,
so
would
change
the
time
zone
for
them
so
just
kind
of
looking
for
feedback
on
what
might
work
for
everybody.
G
A
A
A
and
I'll
coordinate
with
guest
speakers
and
participants
accordingly.
So
anything
else
on
that.
Oh,
it
will
be
virtual
because
all
our
meetings
are
still
virtual.
So
all
right,
then,
if
that's
it,
I
just
need
to
move
motion
to
adjourn.