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From YouTube: City Council Work Session - October 13, 2020
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A
So
just
a
couple
of
things
to
to
consider
as
you
watch
this
session
first
of
all
during
council
work
sessions,
we
don't
take
council
action,
we
don't
have
votes.
The
purpose
of
work
session
is
to
kind
of
do
a
deeper
dive
on
a
particular
topic
and
and
be
able
to
have
some
good
discussion
with
the
community
being
able
to
listen
to
that
discussion
as
well.
A
This
work
session,
as
I
mentioned,
is
focused
on
hotel,
really
the
city
looking
at
how
to
recraft
the
hotel
zoning
ordinance
as
it
now
exists.
We've
been
working
on
this
for
a
really
long
time
and
we're
in
the
middle
of
a
hotel
moratorium,
and
so
this
is
just
another
chapter
in
the
continuing
work
looking
at
how
to
retool
our
hotel
ordinance
ordinance.
A
So
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
our
planning
director
todd
oklane
who's
gonna
make
a
presentation
and
kind
of
tell
us
where
we've
been
and
where
we're
going
so
todd.
Take
it
away.
Oh-
and
I
you
know
folks,
maybe
just
because
of
the
virtual
format,
it
would
be
a
good
idea.
Maybe
briefly,
if
we
just
introduced
everyone
who
is
participating
in
this
meeting,
my
name
is
esther
manheimer,
I'm
the
mayor
of
asheville
gwen.
If
you
could
introduce
yourself
gwen
whistler,
vice
mayor
okay-
and
I
don't
have
my
list
who
normally.
I
Thank
you
mayor
and
good
afternoon,
council
members
and
the
public
todd
o'clocheny
planning
and
urban
design
director.
I
During
this
time,
we'll
review
some
of
the
materials
that
have
been
prepared
and
some
of
the
public
engagement
that
we've
conducted
over
the
course
of
the
past
year
and
again
we're
going
to
focus
a
lot
this
afternoon
on
draft
regulations
that
staff
has
prepared
next
slide.
Please
there
are
a
few
key
takeaways
that
I
wanted
everyone
to
keep
in
mind
as
we
navigate
through
the
work
session
today.
I
The
first
is
that
hotels
necessarily
can't
be
banned
throughout
the
city.
As
of
right.
This
is
a
question
that
has
come
up
many
times
from
community
members.
They
ask
why
can't
we
just
ban
hotels
if
it's
a
use
that
the
city
feels
like
it
might
be
too
impactful,
and
the
answer
to
that
is
that
north
carolina
state
statutes
really
don't
allow
us
to
ban
uses
outside
of
more
noxious
industrial
uses
such
as
an
asphalt
plant,
for
example.
I
What
we
can
do,
though,
is
that
we
we
can
regulate
where
hotels
could
be
permitted
throughout
the
city,
and
we
could
definitely
have
a
more
effective
strategy
to
mitigate
and
manage
any
impacts
associated
with
new
hotel
development,
and
that's
really.
The
central
piece
of
this
work
session
today
is
for
staff
to
review
some
of
the
innovative
tools
that
we've
developed
to
help
better
manage
hotels.
I
As
a
reminder,
we
initiated
the
hotel
development
moratorium
in
september
of
2019
at
the
end
of
2019,
we
contracted
with
the
urban
land
institute,
which
is
a
pragmatic
educational,
nonprofit
institution
that
provides
advice
and
does
studies
related
to
development
and
real
estate.
Uli
helped
the
city
to
navigate
through
a
planning
process.
I
Earlier
in
the
year
where
we
developed
what
we
are
calling
a
briefing
book
which
was
actually
developed
by
city
staff,
that
quantified
impacts
related
to
hotel
development,
uli
then
came
to
the
city
twice
in
january
of
this
year
and
held
two
public
style
workshop
workshop
style
meetings
and
toured
the
city
and
they
developed
a
report.
Basically,
at
the
end
of
that
that
report
by
uli
includes
some
of
the
recommendations
and
strategies
and
tools
that
we're
going
to
be
covering
as
part
of
the
work
session.
I
I
Next
slide,
please,
the
urban
land
institute
in
their
report
identified
several
key
findings
that
are
worth
noting.
The
first
is
that
hotel
development
impacts
are
are
manageable
when
we
looked
at
the
impacts
of
hotel
development,
in
some
circumstances,
they're
not
much
more
impactful
than
other
uses,
such
as
a
multi-family
housing
development
or
an
office
use.
I
If
you
will
for
many
of
community
concerns
that
we
experience,
it
was
very
difficult
for
us,
as
we
developed
the
the
report
with
the
uli
and
the
briefing
book
that
quantified
impacts
of
hotels,
because
it
was
very
easy
to
try
to
quantify
impacts
of
tourism
and
when
we
think
of
tourism,
it's
a
much
broader
subject,
something
that
we're
still
trying
to
manage
in
a
more
sustainable
way
in
the
city.
I
I
I
In
the
uli
report
they
identified
many
recommendations.
Some
of
those
were
related
to
policy
and
design
and
zoning
and
land
use,
and
those
are
the
types
of
recommendations
we're
going
to
cover
during
the
work
session.
Today,
however,
they
also
identified
other
long-term
recommendations
related
to
particularly
related
to
revenue,
and,
if
you
recall
earlier
in
the
year,
we
we
reviewed
some
of
those
recommendations,
such
as
new
revenue,
generating
mechanisms
and
strategies
such
as
renegotiating
the
hotel
occupancy
tax,
for
example.
I
One
of
those
is
trying
to
enhance
the
predictability
of
our
hotel
development
review
process,
establishing
a
new
zoning
district
which
we're
calling
a
new
hotel
overlay
district
enacting
community
benefit
agreements
or
what
we're
calling
public
benefits,
such
as
affordable
housing
and
then
finally,
changing
the
way.
Our
design
review
process
is
for
hotels
and
creating
new
guidelines
to
improve
the
look
and
design
of
new
hotel
development
in
the
city
next
slide.
Please.
I
At
that
work
session
again,
I
presented
the
an
overview
of
all
the
recommendations
for
the
urban
land
institute
and
then
council
directed
staff
to
work
on
what
we
felt
were
short-term
strategies
that
we
could
focus
on
during
the
length
of
the
moratorium,
and
these
are
related
to
land
use
and
zoning
and
design
reestablishing
hotels
as
a
permitted
use
in
certain
areas,
developing
new
standards
and
criteria
for
how
we
review
hotels
and
then
this
idea
of
incentivizing
public
benefits
and
improving
hotel
design.
I
I
The
first
focus
area
is
again
what
we're
calling
the
hotel
overlay
district,
which
would
be
creating
a
new
zoning
district
in
the
city,
where
new
hotels
could
be
permitted
that
that
focus
area
also
includes
new
development
and
operational
standards
such
as
allowable
building
height,
and
how
drop-off
would
occur
for
guests
that
visit
hotels.
I
The
third
focus
area
is
related
to
design
review,
improving
or
changing
the
design
review
process
and
developing
new
design
guidelines,
specifically
for
new
hotel
development.
In
all.
There
are
some
some
goals
to
this
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
we're,
trying
to
establish
a
more
straightforward
and
predictable
process.
I
I
We
have
very
a
very
balanced
public
benefits,
scoring
system
that
we
feel
is
able
to
to
meet
community
needs
and
we're
able
to
leverage
that
development
that
new
hotel
development
to
satisfy
some
of
those
needs
and
mitigate
some
of
the
impacts
of
hotels,
we've
also
created
what
we
think
is
a
framework
that
could
serve
as
a
precedent
for
other
types
of
development
in
the
city,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
the
public
benefits
table
that
we'll
review.
In
a
moment.
I
So
the
first
thing
is
what
I
want
to
do
here
is
kind
of
give
you
an
overview
of
the
development
review
process
and
the
new
process
that
we're
recommending
for
new
new
hotel
projects
and
what
it
means
to
review
it
at
a
staff
level
versus
conditional
zoning,
which
is
a
process
for
which
you'd
currently
review
hotels,
where
it
goes
to
city
council.
E
I
So
this
this
is
a
a
development
review
process
flow
chart,
as
it
kind
of
looks
a
little
bit
like
your
electrical
system
in
your
house
with
reds
and
greens,
but
I'll
I'll
do
my
best
to
help
navigate
you
all
through
this
flow
chart.
When
a
new
development,
a
hotel
project
comes
in.
A
Okay,
sorry
todd
to
clarify
you're
talking
about
the
current
system
right.
I
Sure-
and
I
could
I
could
briefly
touch
upon
that
too-
that
the
current
process
for
hotels
is
that
they
for
99
of
hotels
are
reviewed
through
our
conditional
zoning
process,
which
is
a
re-zoning
of
a
piece
of
property
with
certain
conditions
that
are
attached
that
are
negotiated
between
city
council
and
the
developer,
and
that
goes
through
our
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
eventually
to
city
council
and
that's
how
you
review
currently
all
hotel
projects,
at
least
before
the
hotel
moratorium,
this
new
process.
I
This
is
the
new
process
flow
chart
for
our
new
hotel
development
review
process.
So
the
first
question
we
would
ask
a
developer
is:
is
your
project
located
in
what
we're
calling
our
hotel
overlay
district?
This
is
a
new
zoning
district
that
would
indicate
possibly
where
new
hotels
could
be
permitted
as
of
right
without
city
council
review
if
certain
standards
and
criteria
are
met.
I
I
So
if
you
navigate
to
the
left
side
of
the
screen
and
follow
the
green
arrow,
they
would
submit
their
application,
and
then
we
ask
a
series
of
other
questions.
We
have
a
number
of
different
standards
that
the
project
has
to
comply
with.
The
first
standard
is
that
the
project
has
to
meet
all
of
our
new
development
and
operational
standards.
I
So
does
the
project
does
it
meet?
Our
maximum
building
height
allowance
is
the
guest
drop-off
area
located
to
the
back
or
the
rear
of
the
project,
which
is
something
that
we're
recommending
does
it
have
sufficient
parking
or
sufficient
open
space
or
lighting
and
signage?
These
are
all
the
types
of
requirements
and
standards
that
you
would
typically
find
in
our
unified
development
ordinance
or
our
zoning
code.
I
The
other
project
compliance
is
that
the
hotel
would
have
to
meet
our
new
public
benefits
incentive
incentive
system
and
we're
going
to
review
that
in
a
lot
of
detail
later
on
this
presentation.
But
those
public
benefits
are
things
like:
affordable
housing
or
providing
living
wages
or
the
building
the
new
hotel
might
be
a
leed
certified
green
building.
These
are
the
types
of
public
benefits
that
were
were
basically
asking
new
hotels
to
comply
with.
I
I
If
it's
101
feet
automatically,
that
hotel
would
have
to
be
reviewed
by
council
and
what
we're
saying
is
if
a
hotel
is
located
within
this
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
district,
it
meets
all
the
development
and
operational
standards
of
our
udo,
our
unified
development
ordinance.
It
provides
a
certain
number
of
public
benefits.
I
Instead
of
a
city
council
level,
let's
assume
that
the
hotel
is
located
outside
of
our
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
district
automatically
that
triggers
city
council
review
if
a
project
is
proposed
outside
of
the
map
which
we'll
look
at
a
little
further
in
this
presentation,
if
it's
located
outside
of
that
hotel
overlay
district-
and
there
are
several
options,
if
we
navigate
to
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen,
one
option
is
to
expand
the
hotel
overlay
district.
I
I
So
this
is
the
some
of
the
thresholds
that
I
mentioned
on
the
previous
slide,
that
if
a
hotel
exceeds
100
feet
in
height
under
our
proposal,
it
would
automatically
trigger
city
council
review
automatically
if
a
hotel
project
does
not
meet
any
of
these
new
standards
or
criteria
that
we've
established.
It
also
would
be
reviewed
by
council
and
to
review
those
again.
The
hotel
would
have
to
meet
all
of
our
new
development
and
operational
standards
that
are
in
our
zoning
code
or
what
we
call
our
udo.
I
One
of
those
is
possibly
looking
at
an
upper
limit
on
the
number
of
hotel
rooms,
so,
for
example,
if
you
had
a
hotel
that
would
say
115,
hotel
rooms
or
more
that
could
possibly
trigger
council
review
as
well.
The
other
thing
we're
looking
at
is
possibly
looking
at
having
a
maximum
amount
of
hotels
on
any
given
block.
This
would
be
kind
of
related
to
the
num.
The
percentage
of
other
land
uses
on
a
particular
block.
So,
for
example,
we
could
say
on
any
given
block
in
the
downtown.
I
I
Before
we
take
a
break
on
on
questions
on
any
of
this,
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
review
some
of
the
public
engagement
that
we've
conducted
over
the
course
of
the
past
year
and
some
of
the
feedback
that
we've
received
and
changes
that
we
made.
One
of
those
changes
is
related
to
how
we
define
small
hotels
in
a
large
hotel.
I
Currently,
we
define
a
small
hotel
as
anything
being
or
any
hotel
having
between
seven
and
20
rooms,
we're
looking
to
expand
the
upper
part
of
that
that
limit
up
to
35
rooms.
So
our
new
definition
of
a
small
hotel
is
35
rooms
or
less,
and
the
intent
of
that
is.
We
feel,
after
speaking,
with
folks
in
the
community
that
a
35
room,
less
hotel,
is
kind
of
how
we
would
define
what
we
would
think
of
as
a
boutique
or
smaller
hotel.
I
Hotel
we're
defining
a
larger
hotel
as
anything
over
35
rooms
in
the
city
is
automatically
considered
a
larger
hotel
and
would
have
a
more
stringent
development
standards
and
a
review
process,
and
these
are
just
some
of
the
other
examples
of
some
of
the
changes
we
made
as
a
result
of
public
engagement
in
particular,
as
it
relates
to
our
hotel
overlay
map,
which
we'll
look
at
just
in
a
few
moments.
That
map
we've
made
substantive
changes
to
where
large
hotels
could
be
permitted,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
our.
I
A
Todd
I
got
a
question
on
your
flow
chart.
Let
me
see
here
so
so
if
the
project
is
within
the
threshold
question
being,
is
the
project
within
a
hotel
overlay
district?
Yes,
and
then
you
go
through
the
process.
If
the
answer
is
no
explain
to
me
again
that
expand
zoning
map
route.
F
I
Through
right,
so
if
you're,
if
the
project
is
outside
of
the
new
overlay
district,
one
of
the
options
is
for
a
project
to
ask
if
they
could
be
included
in
that
new
overlay
district.
So
all
that
means
is,
it
would
be
a
rezoning
of
that
property
so
that
it
is
included
in
the
new
hotel
overlay
district.
I
I
A
property
that
falls
just
outside
of
the
overlay
district
that
wants
to
be
included
in
it.
Another
criteria
is
that
that
property
would
have
to
be
a
certain
distance
away
from
a
residential
zoning
district
as
we're
trying
to
keep
larger
hotels
away
from
our
residential
neighborhoods
throughout
the
city.
If
the
property
doesn't
meet
that
criteria,
the
request
would
be
for
a
conditional
zoning,
which
is
the
typical
process
for
which
council
has
reviewed
hotels,.
A
I
Right
that
that
rezoning
to
the
hotel
overlay
district
would
go
to
city
council
absolutely,
as
would
a
conditional
zoning.
A
Well,
right
I
mean,
but
a
conditional
zoning
is
a
different.
Is
it
the
way
the
council
has
to
review
a
conditional
zoning
application
is
different
than
how
the
council
must
review
a
rezoning
application,
and
I
just
wonder
if
that's
good
or
bad
or
terribly
confusing,
you
know.
If
we're
you
know,
if
we're
just
straight
looking
at
a
straight
up,
rezoning.
I
So
if
a
project
requested
to
be
located
in
the
new
hotel
overlay
district,
it
would
have
to
meet
those
four
major
standards
or
criteria
that
that
was
that
we
established
they
would
have
to
meet
all
the
development
standards
of
the
code
and
operational
standards.
Things
like
the
setback
and
open
space
and
lighting
and
signage
they
would
have
to
meet
the
the
public
benefits
that
we've
established
in
the
scoring
system
that
we
have
for
community
benefits.
I
They
would
also
have
to
get
a
positive
recommendation
from
a
design
review
board
on
the
design
of
the
hotel
and
that
project
would
have
to
be
under
all
the
thresholds
that
we've
established
for
council
review,
but
actually
it
would
be
reviewed
by
council
anyway.
So
it's
really
just
those
three
three
major
focus
areas
that
the
design
would
have
to
be
approved.
A
So
so
you
know
the
application
would
come
to
council
as
a
rezoning
staff
would
be
saying
you
know
this
applicant
this
criteria
and
so
therefore
is
eligible
to
apply
for
a
rezoning.
But
what
would
the
consideration
before
council
be
on
zoning
then
versus?
If
the
project
just
came
to
us
as
a
conditional
zoning.
I
So
we
we
do
have
certain
criteria
in
our
udo
in
our
zoning
code
about
how
what
the
process
is
for
council
to
review
just
a
straight
rezoning
application.
I
There's
some
criteria
in
that
and
within
state
statutes
that,
for
example,
it
can't
be
what's
considered
a
spot
zoning
where
it's
just
a
parcel,
that's
alone
not
not
next
to
any
other
similar
zone
parcels
and
there's
other
criteria
that
are
established
in
the
in
the
udo
for
how
we
review
rezoning
applications.
I
G
I'm
sorry,
city
manager,
I'm
terribly
bad
with
this
mute
button
yeah.
So
I
think
mayor
to
answer
your
question
is
that
in
all
likelihood
you
would
have
many
of
the
potential
cases
that
would
come
forward
asking
to
be
included
in
the
hotel
overlay
district.
That
would
eventually
come
back
to
council
as
part
of
a
full
rezoning,
a
conditional
rezoning
because
they
may
or
may
not
again
meet
those
standards
that
would
be
required
for
them
to
then
have
their
project
approved
as
a
zoning
by
right
or
at
the
staff
level.
Todd.
G
Please
correct
me
if
you
think
I've
gotten
any
of
that
incorrect,
but
that
essentially
is
just
a
gateway
which
provides
them
a
very
limited
set
of
circumstances
to
be
able
to
develop
that
property
as
a
buy
right,
but
still
all
of
those
much
more
specific
options
available,
including
a
conditional
rezoning,
would
still
have
to
go
through
the
full
process
as
if
they
already
existed.
Under
that
original
plan.
F
So
so
mayor,
if
I
could
just
for
my
even
my
own
clarification
todd
when,
when
you
have
those
two
options,
one
option
is
actually
an
expansion
of
the
district,
so
you
expand
the
overlay
district
and
that's
that
will
be
the
first
decision
that
council
would
make
as
to
whether
they
want
to
ex
expand
the
overlay
district
and
when
you
get
to
the
map,
you'll
see
that
there
are
a
number
of
areas
that
have
been
identified
and
if
council
votes
to
yes
based
on
some
location
or
criteria,
this
is
an
appropriate
location
to
expand
that
district.
F
F
A
Well,
I
didn't
catch
that
last
part.
You
mean
okay,
so
if,
if
the
property
is
adjacent
to
the
overlay
district
and
it
meets
the
this
criteria
of
okay,
you're
adjacent
to
the
overlay
district,
etc
and
so
forth,
not
not
all
of
the
criteria
for
a
hotel
application,
but
just
the
criteria
for
are
you
eligible
for
a
rezoning
to
be
included
in
the
overlay
district
staff
would
figure
that
out
decide
if
that
is,
if
they
meet
the
criteria
and
then
they
would
bring
forward
their
application
for
rezoning
before
council.
A
Just
on
the
issue
of
expansion,
of
the
hotel,
overlay,
district
and
council
would
say
yes
or
no.
If
council
says
yes,
then
they
get
to
run
the
gauntlet
and
try
to
meet
all
of
the
criteria
for
a
hotel
application
that
falls
within
the
zoning
overlay
for
hotels.
Am
I
understanding
that
right
right?
Okay,
it
you
know,
so
I
guess
what
I
would
say
about
that
which
is
interesting
from
a
planning
technical
standpoint.
So
I
can
see
why
academically
it's
very
attractive
it.
I
wonder
if
politically
meaningfully
it
would
be
any
different.
A
A
You
know
that's
somewhat
nuanced
and
and
frankly,
frustrating
so
I
just
wonder
if
that's
a
defeating
caveat
in
this
structure,
if
it,
if
it's
just
you're
in
the
overlay,
you
go
one
way
if
you're,
not
in
the
overlay,
your
conditional
zoning
and
I
get
the
point
I
mean.
I
understand
that
you.
A
I
Where
this
came
about
is
when
looking
at
how
overlay
districts
work
in
other
cities
that
we
looked
at
it's
it's
an
option.
That's
typically
available
is
to
expand
that
that
overlay
district,
if
you're,
located
adjacent
to
it,
but
but
certainly
it
does
add
a
maybe
another
layer
of
confusion
and
when
we're
we're
drafting
zoning,
we
we
want
it
to
be
understandable
as
well
both
to
the
council
to
the
community
and
to
the
development
community.
H
Yesterday,
yeah,
I
think
you
know
we
we'd
probably
be
asking
them
all
the
gory
details
of
about
the
hotel
and
so
they'd
have
to
be
prepared
to
kind
of
give
us
their
whole
plan.
H
H
I
would
have
a
hard
time
envisioning
that
council
is
going
to
approve
a
rezoning
to
a
hotel
without
knowing
all
the
knowing
all
the
details
and
seeing
the
plan
etc.
So
again,
unless,
unless
our
council
mindset
changes
drastically.
B
And
I
I
just
want
to
say
there
you
know,
I
agree
with
what
what
gwen's
saying
there,
but
I
mean
the
rest
of
it,
we're
just
like
dropping
the
ball.
I
mean
this
thing
started.
Where
todd
you
said,
you
know
we
cannot
prohibit
hotels
as
a
use
as
if,
if
this
council
had
that
option,
they
might
just
do
that.
Well,
this
doesn't
come
close
to
doing
that.
I
mean
the
way
I
hear
everyone
talking.
B
So
I
I
realize
I'm
not
asking
a
question,
I'm
just
critiquing
here,
but
I
mean
it
feels
to
me
that
this
whole
process
sort
of
snubbed
its
nose
at
the
many
people.
That
said,
we
don't
want
hotels,
I
don't
care.
If
they
look
better,
I
don't
care.
If
they're
shorter,
I
don't
care,
we
don't
want
more
hotels,
you
know
if
you
want
to
build
a
couple
out
by
the
airport.
B
Go
right
ahead,
but
you
know
downtown
is
packed
and
we
don't
want
them,
and
I
just
don't
feel
like
we're
going
far
enough
to
address
that
and
I
I've
got
comments
to
make
later
as
far
as
the
point
system
goes
as
to
maybe
some
way
we
can
improve
this,
but
I
mean
I
just
find
all
this
very
discouraging
and
I
I
don't
feel
like
we're
doing
the
people's
work
at
this
point.
I
think
we're
we're
just
you
know.
B
That's
not
what
they
do
and
that's
not
what
staff
is
doing
is
doing
here,
but
I
think
that's
what
people
are
asking
for
and
I
think
we're
ignoring
it,
and
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
do
this,
we
we've
got
to
come
up
with
a
much
stronger
way
that
you
know
that,
rather
than
seeing,
10
or
15
hotels
come
in
the
first
year
that
we
do
this,
that
it's
it's
such
a
stringent
process
that
maybe
we
get
one.
Maybe
we
get
two
but
10
or
15.
Then,
in
my
opinion,
we've
we've
failed.
The
public.
C
I
C
And-
and
so
what
we
are
left
with,
the
the
the
strategy,
then,
is
to
make
the
bar
high
enough
that
to
brian's
point
fewer
people
will
be
willing
to
to
try
to
get
over
that
bar.
If,
if
our
objective
is
in
fact
to
reduce
the
number
of
hotels
built
in
the
city,
then
that's
that
in
your
mind,
is
the
best
strategy
or
is
there
another
strategy
I
mean,
can
can
we
and
maybe
we're
going
to
get
to
this.
A
Well,
I
was
going
to
say
it
might
be
important
to
hear
the
rest
of
the
presentation
in
terms
of
because,
because
I
think
that
you're
getting
into
that
the
density
issue,
the
location
hq
and
I
think,
todd's,
going
to
going
to
get
into
that.
B
I
think
I
probably
jumped
down
a
little
soon,
but
I
was
feeling
frustrated
and
felt
like
I
needed
to
do
it,
but
I'll
play
my
thoughts
for
later.
I
I'm
happy
to
start
discussing
the
the
map
and
the
public
benefits
table,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
what
the
real
meat
of
all
this
is
and
what.
A
Yeah
and
unless
there's
any
questions
about
the
presentation
so
far,
I
would
ask
todd
to
continue
todd.
I
would
tell
you
something's
going
on
with
your
mic,
so
we're
getting
a
lot
of
sort
of
sounds
like
papers
being
scratched
across
your
mic.
I
A
I
I
I
All
right,
thank
you,
ashley.
So
the
first
recommendation,
or
the
first
focus
area
that
I
wanted
to
cover,
is
the
actual
hotel
overlay
district
and
this
new
zoning
district
that
that
we've
established
next
slide.
Please
we
developed
several
goals
and
several
criteria
for
when
we
looked
at
this
new
zoning
district,
which
we'll
take
a
look
at
the
next
slide
in
a
moment.
I
But
the
goals
that
are
related
to
the
zoning
district
are
that
we
wanted
to
define
the
geographic
locations
of
where
new,
large
and
small
hotels
could
be
permitted.
Based
on
what
we
feel
is
very
well
thought
out:
pragmatic
criteria,
that
criteria
is
the
available
of
of
infrastructure,
whether
a
hotel
location
is
on
a
transit
route
or
a
major
vehicular
corridor,
whether
it's
proximate
to
other
tourist
destinations.
I
Another
important
criteria
is
that
we
want
to
try
to
protect
neighborhoods
that
are
vulnerable
to
displacement,
so
we
we
mapped
those
neighborhoods,
that's.
Actually
we
have
a
map
of
that
in
our
our
briefing
book
that
we
prepared
that
shows
again
census
tracts
in
neighborhoods
that
might
be
more
vulnerable
to
displacement
and
gentrification.
E
I
I
We're
saying
that
there
are
two
new
zoning
districts,
a
zone
b
which
is
indicated
in
orange.
This
is
an
area
or
a
hotel
overlay
district
that
would
only
allow
those
small
hotels
from
between
seven
and
35
rooms
and
then
what
we're
calling
zone
a
or
shown
in
blue
are
areas
that
would
allow
both
small
hotels
and
large
hotels,
which
is
anything
more
than
35
rooms
and
ashley.
If
you
could
open
up
the
hyperlink
here,
we'll
open
up
the
overlay
map
to
give
you
an
idea
of
where
these
areas
are
located.
I
I
think
probably
we
could
start
off
with
just
this
view
where
we
have
the
central
business
district
located
kind
of
in
the
top
center
on
toward
the
right
in
blue
is,
is
tunnel
road
to
the
south,
is
biltmore
village
and
to
the
west
is
the
river
arts
district
and
there
are
other
areas
throughout
the
city,
but
I
think
this
is
probably
a
good,
a
good
starting
point
for
us.
I
I
What
you
could
also
see
on
this
map
is
we.
We
do
have
kind
of
highlighted
under
the
blue
and
orange
areas,
you
can
see
some
boxy
looking
parcels
and
those
are
properties
in
the
city
where
there
are
currently
hotels
located
on
those
parcels
today.
So
you
can
kind
of
see
again.
One
of
the
criteria
that
we
established
was
trying
to
cluster
existing
locations
of
hotels
and
allowing
possibly
some
other
hotels
to
be
constructed.
I
One
of
the
major
changes
that
we
made
from
the
initial
map
that
we
released
is
that
in
the
the
traditional
downtown
core,
which
is
our
historic
core,
this
is
actually
our
our
area
of
the
downtown.
That's
on
a
national
register
district,
that's
shown
in
orange
in
the
in
the
downtown
area,
in
the
in
the
middle
or
top
middle
of
the
screen.
We're
only
we're
saying
that
only
a
small
hotel
from
between
seven
and
35
rooms
could
be
built
in
that
traditional
core.
I
I
Under
our
map,
we
are
suggesting
that
by
right,
no
large
hotels
could
be
permitted
in
that
orange
area.
That
would
only
allow
small
hotels.
The
upper
part
of
that
orange
area
is
where,
like
the
create
broadway
project,
was
proposed
under
our
map.
I
I
I
We
we
took
the
large
hotel
area
and
moved
it
away
from
hilliard
avenue,
so
anything
north
of
hilliard.
You
can
kind
of
see
the
blue
areas
start
to
pop
up,
for
where
large
hotels
could
be
permitted
on
the
eastern
part
of
downtown
again
near
near
highway.
Access
again
is
somewhere
where
we're
saying
that
a
large
hotel
could
potentially
be
allowed
by
wright
and
some
parts
of
southern
the
southern
part
of
the
central
business
district.
I
But
if
actually,
if
you
could
scroll
a
little
bit
further
to
the
south,
just
going
down
a
little
bit
on
the
map,
we
start
to
focus
a
little
bit
more
on
the
south
slope
neighborhood
and
that's
good
actually,
and
you
can
see
in
the
south
slope
neighborhood.
We
have
some
areas
around
banks,
avenue
and
cox
and
buxton
that
would
allow
small
hotels
that's
shown
in
orange.
I
We
have
many
areas
of
the
south
slope
where
we
are
saying
that
no
hotels
at
all
could
be
permitted
by
wright.
So
again,
this
overlay
map
is
showing
where
the
large
and
small
hotels
could
possibly
be
permitted
again
and
they
would
have
to
meet
all
these
public
benefits
and
additional
development
and
design
standards
that
we've
established.
I
We
do
have
other
areas
of
the
city
where
we
would
allow
large
hotels,
particularly
around
the
the
outlet,
the
asheville
outlets
on
brevard
road.
I
mentioned
tunnel
road
before
and
then
in
south
asheville,
near
the
airport
and
along
airport
road.
B
I
So,
let's,
let's
move,
keep
moving
to
the
the
west
ashley
and
okay.
Here's
on
the
edge
of
the
screen
we're
starting
to
see
the
river
arch
district,
and
what
we
have
here
is
on
the
west
side
of
the
tracks.
I
A
I
That's
correct:
there
might
be
some
additional
building
design
challenges
in
those
areas
that
are
closer
to
the
river
to
be
able
to
make
that
project
actually
instructable.
D
And
I
have
a
question
you
mentioned
that
you're
taking
care
to
not
include
areas
subject
to
displacement
in
census,
tract
areas,
I'm
wondering
if
you
also
use
that
urban
renewal
map,
as
well
as
a
redlining
map
when
you
considered
the
overlay.
And
secondly,
how
did
you
come
up
with
the
overlay
and
if
it's
possible
to
shrink
the
overlay.
I
Absolutely,
I
think,
all
those
maps
and
all
that
data
that
we
had
available,
we
tried
to
consider-
and
we
tried
to
scale
back
areas
where
we
were
permitting
hotels.
Based
on
on
some
of
that
data
and
information
that
that's
available.
I
think
you
know
the
river
arts
district
is
somewhat
of
a
challenge.
I
As
of
right,
that's
where
we
felt
like
we
were
getting
a
little
bit
too
close
to
the
south
side
neighborhood
for
example,
but
but
we
did
look
at
all
those
those
maps
and-
and
certainly
I
think
part
of
our
discussion
today
with
you
all
and
with
the
community
over
the
next
couple
of
of
months-
is
to
continue
to
look
at
this
map,
refine
it
and
we're
definitely
open
to
any
suggestions
that
that
you
all
have-
and
I
think
I
forgot
to
mention
haywood
road-
you
can
see
if
you're
kind
of
crossing
over
onto
the
west
side
of
the
screen,
we
are
not
allowing
any
hotels,
large
or
small,
along
haywood
road.
H
I
That's
correct
not
until
you
get,
I
think,
to
like
the
actual
outlet
area
and
maybe
actually,
if
you
could
zoom
out
a
little
bit,
we
could
just
get
a
maybe
a
higher
level
view
of
the
city
and
then
maybe
zoom
out
one
more
time.
I
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
If
you
actually
slide
up
the
screen
just
a
little
bit
to
the
north,
that's
good!
Thank
you!
So
you
can
see
kind
of
on
the
western
side
of
the
screen.
There
are
some
areas
again.
It's
really
the
actual
outlet
area,
brevard
road
near
the
highway
shown
on
the
western
side
of
the
screen,
that's
shown
in
blue
and
then
really
far
west
asheville
along
some
areas
along
smoky
park,
highway
again
near
near
highway
access.
I
F
And
just
for
clarification,
a
hotelier
can
request
a
rezoning
for
any
site
for
any
property.
These
are
just
the
ones
that
would
be
permitted
by
right
if
they
met
all
of
the
other
development
criteria
and
standards.
Correct.
That's.
I
Absolutely
so,
as
ms
campbell
noted,
if
a
hotelier
wants
to
propose
a
hotel
in
an
area
on
this
map,
that's
not
shown
for
a
possible
hotel.
C
I
As
a
max,
there
was
some
discussion
with
some
developers
in
the
community
that
maybe
a
35
room,
boutique
hotel
could
work
if
it
was
the
right
area.
Our
thinking
there
was
that
we
historically
we
don't.
We
don't
see
those
types
of
hotels
in
the
city
we
haven't
had
a
new
small
hotel
built
in
the
city,
since
I,
I
think
1989,
with
the
exception
exception
of
adaptive.
I
Reuse,
for
like
the
windsor
hotel
in
downtown
is,
is
one
example,
but
those
examples
are
few
and
far
between
we,
we
typically
don't
see
those
size,
hotels
in
the
city.
We
typically
see
in
the
you
know,
100
to
130
room
range
or
or
short
term
vacation,
rentals.
C
I
I'm
not
sure
they're
all
in
that
range,
so
the
aloft
is
115
rooms.
I'm
sorry,
the
the
ac
hotel
is
132
rooms
for
perspective.
The
cambria
136
rooms,
the
eris
128.
I
And
then,
when
you
start
looking
at
your
suburban
hotels,
that
might
drop
to
like
high
90s
or
low
100s
in
that
range,
and
and
just
to
also
give
you
an
example
for
small
hotels
that
we
only
have,
I
think
about
10
of
them
in
the
city,
they're
they're
mainly
kind
of
a
relic
of
the
past.
There
are
these
smaller
hotels
that
were
approved
mainly
in
the
1960s
in
the
city.
It's
just
not
really
a
product
that
we
see.
A
I
mean
it
would
seem
to
me
that
the
practical
effect
of
this
overlay
is
that
you
would
not
see
you
would
not
see
large
hotel
projects
except
you
know
you,
you
do
have
some
blue
identified
near
the
downtown
meaning
those
are
that's
an
area
where
a
larger
hotel
could
go,
but
I
wonder
how
many
parcels
there
really
are
in
that
blue
area
that
could
hold.
You
know
you
could
build
a
hotel
on.
A
A
You
know
realistically
buildable,
so
it
would
seem
like
you'd
push
any
larger
hotel
development
to
happen
out
by
the
outlet
mall,
like
you
mentioned,
or
in
the
highway
corridor
area,
and
that
the
small
hotel
that
you
just
said
that
we
haven't
seen
a
lot
of
in
many
years,
and
you
know
I
hear
julia,
you
said
hoteliers
say:
well,
it's
not
practical
to
build
it
and
that
I
understand
that
what
they're
saying
is
I
can't
rent
out
enough
rooms
to
make
my
balance
sheet
work,
because
what
they're
saying
so
you
either
have
you
know
you?
A
You
may
end
up
with
a
a
few
high-end
kind
of
small
adaptive,
reuse
and
restoration
of
you
know.
Historic
buildings
is
probably
I
would
guess
what
you
you
might
see,
some
of
and
but
a
significant
investment.
It
costs
a
lot
of
money
to
rehab
a
historic
building
and
you
get
a
lot
of
surprises
and
extra
costs.
So
I
don't
know
how
many
people
will
want
to
do
it,
but
I'm
sure
there
would
be
people.
I
just
wonder
brian
to
your
concern
about
creating
a
system
where
not
all
hotel
projects
come
to
council
in
the
future.
A
If
putting
in
these
requirements,
coupled
with
this
pretty
conservative
overlay,
you
know
that
we
need
to
examine
very
closely
because
I
don't
really
have
a
good
feel
yet
for
all
the
parcels
in
this
overlay,
whether
that
gets
you
a
little
closer
than
where
we
are
today
in
terms
of
stemming
the
tide
of
future
hotel
growth
in
asheville.
I'm
just
you
know,
I'm
sort
of
rhetorically
saying
that,
but
I
just
wonder
if
we
wouldn't
be
getting
a
little
closer
to
that
sort
of
an
outright
ban
which
we're
not
going
to
you
know,
impose
so.
A
Well,
ultimately,
the
the
redrafting
of
this
ordinance
has
to
come
to
council
for
approval.
So
we
you
know,
we
well
the
buck,
stops
here,
so
to
speak.
It
will
have
to
go
through
planning
and
zoning,
but
I
think.
A
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
I
thought
this
work
session
would
be.
A
good
idea
is
not
only
to
kind
of
get
us
up
to
speed
about
where
we've
been
for
the
last
year
and
what
the
community
has
said,
what
the
what
uli
has
recommended.
What
the
staff
has
drafted
is
for
us
to
really
look
at
that,
because
it
hasn't
been
examined
closely
at
a
council
level
yet
and
for
us
to
give
feedback
and
sort
of
craft
the
process
we
want
to
see
going
forward.
A
I
would
recommend
that
todd's
got
more
of
a
presentation
to
to
finish
here,
but
let's,
but
let's
have
a
discussion
when
this
is
concluded
about
what
we
want
to
do
going
forward.
You
know
so
it
may
be.
We
want
to
have
another
work
session
where
we
give
some
more
input
about
some
changes
or
give
some
direction
at
the
end
of
this
work
session
to
then
come
back
to
us
for
further
review.
That's
fine,
too.
A
I
mean
there's
not
there's
not
a
set
in
stone
process
until
we're
kind
of
closer
to
what
we
want
to
see,
and
then
it
needs
to
move
through
the
proper
required
statutorily
required
voting
processes
before
it's
finalized.
F
And
and
mayor,
if
I
could,
if
I
could
ask
of
the
council
if
they
could
take
note
of
some
concerns
and
issues
that
they
have,
you
know
this
particular
presentation
was
designed
to
provide
you
all
with
more
detailed
information
about
what
was
being
proposed.
And
if
you
all
can
kind
of
raise
issues
concerns,
then
we
can
come
back
whether
it
be
another.
I
think
you're
right,
marriage.
F
It
probably
does
need
another
work
session
for
us
to
kind
of
work
through
some
possible
responses
to
some
of
the
concerns
that
that
you
all
have
before
we
bring
back
a
final
recommendation
of
counsel
for
action.
A
You
know-
and
it
may
be
in
this
case-
we
need
another
step
after
we're
sort
of
done
working
on
our
concerns
and
issues
and
staff
has
tried
to
address
those
to
throw
it
back
out
there
for
further
public
input
and
vetting,
because
you
know
I
don't
want
to
have
staff
work
really
really
really
hard
to
get
it
close
to
what
they
think
the
council
wants.
A
Have
it
go
back
out
to
the
public
and
then
come
to
us
for
a
vote,
and
we
need
to
see
further
significant
changes,
I'd
like
to
hear
that
public
feedback
and
be
able
to
incorporate
it
accordingly,
so
that
we're
you
know
where
I
I
just
worry
a
little
bit
about
how
hard
it
is
to
re-draft
an
ordinance
like
this
and
the
staff
time
and
effort
needed
to
get
it
where
it
needs
to
be
so
we
working
in
a
process
that
helps
make
that
as
efficient
as
possible.
H
Todd
something
that
maybe
you
know
for
another
work
session
or
you
could
send
it
out
individually.
I
would
really
to
to
esther's
point
in
the
blue
and
orange
areas.
H
If
and-
and
I
don't
know
how
much
work
this
is
so
yeah
I
mean
if
I'm
asking
for
crazy
stuff-
just
let
me
know,
but
I
would
really
like
to
see
you
know
the
the
plots
of
of
you
know
what
each
area
looks
like
like
you
know
what
the
cutout
is
so
that
to
to
get
a
sense
of
you
know,
is
there
something
on
that
property
right
now?
How
big
are
the
lots?
H
You
know
how
big
are
the
developable
areas,
but
I
think
I'd
have
to
see
that
kind
of
by
you
know
by
each
blue
section.
I
don't
think
you
could
really
do
that
on
the
full
map,
but
that
would
be
helpful
for
me
to
get
a
better
feel
for
how
big
or
small
or
realistic
these
things
are,
and
I
mean
I'm
just
gonna
say
you
know
for
me.
I
would
really
like
to
exclude
the
asheville
mall
from
this.
H
Yes
again,
I
I
don't
I
I
I
don't
want
to
get
the
weeds
and
I
will
not.
I
will
try
not
to
do
that,
but
I
would
really
like
to
reserve
that
the
asheville
mall.
H
I
I
just
I
mean
I
want
to
hear
also
I
mean
I'm
really
interested
in
the
the
social,
the
benefits
the
community
benefits,
etc,
and,
and
so
I
don't
mean
to
get
into
the
weeds
so
much
until
I
really.
F
I
I'll
make
sure
everyone
you
know
has
a
link
to
to
this
map.
It's
kind
of
an
interactive
map
where
you
can
zoom
in
and
click
on
parcels,
and
it
has
owner
information
and
lot
size
and
all
of
that,
but
any
other
data
that
can
help
to
better
inform
your
your
decision,
making
we're
we're
happy
to
provide
that
and
if
we're
ready
to
move
on,
I
I
can
start
looking
at
the
development
standards
and
then
the
and
then
reviewing
the
public
benefits
if
you're
are
all
ready
to
move.
E
I
Great
so
ashley,
if
we
could
return
to
the
presentation,
thank
you
and
while
that's
being
loaded,
one
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
too,
and
I
think
it's
worth
noting
is
with
the
the
map
that
you
just
saw.
I
The
hotel
overlay
district
represents
less
than
ten
percent
of
our
our
land
area
in
the
city,
so
we
we
definitely
want
to
try
to
regulate
and
restrict
where
new
hotels
could
be
permitted.
I
Maybe
so
this
slide
I,
this
is
again
getting
into
the
weeds,
but
I
just
wanted
you
all
to
have
an
idea
of
what
the
how
the
overlay
district
actually
works
and
an
overlay
district
is
it's
just
it's
a
fancy
way
for
saying
it's
a
zoning
district,
but
it's
layered
on
top
of
another
zoning
district,
which
can
be
confusing,
but
an
overlay
is
applied
in
conjunction
with
the
underlying
district.
I
All
the
standards
will
apply
all
the
setback,
standards
and
drop-off
and
design
of
the
hotel.
All
those
things
would
apply
and
we
just
want
to
try
to
walk
you
through
that
a
little
bit.
So
you
understand
exactly
how
the
overlay
district
works,
and
I
mentioned
if
you
could
maybe
scroll
to
the
bottom
of
the
the
slide
or
zoom
or
zoom
out
a
little
bit
more.
I
I
think
we're
still
zoomed
in
a
little
bit,
but
there
are
the
exceptions
to
which
rules
apply
depends
upon
where
you
are
in
the
city
and
if
a
project
is
located
in
the
central
business
district
or
within
the
river
arts
district,
where
we
have
these
form-based
kind
of
design
type
of
codes
today,
those
regulations
still
still
apply
next
slide.
Please.
I
I
We
looked
at
the
building
setbacks,
the
location
and
design
of
surface
parking
and
structured
parking.
We
have
a
new
requirement
for
hotels
that
would
require
you
to
activate
a
certain
percentage
of
that
first
floor
or
wrap
the
first
floor
of
a
parking
garage
to
activate
what
happens
at
the
ground
level.
I
We
have
new
requirements
for
guest
drop-off
areas
and
some
building
building
design,
as
it
relates
to
windows,
signage
and
lighting.
These
are
all
the
types
of
development
standards
that
we
looked
at.
Some
of
them
remain
the
same,
and
some
some
of
them
have
been
updated
to
try
to
improve
those
operational
and
design
standards
for
hotels
next
slide,
please.
I
This
was
a
stopping
point.
I'm
happy
to
stop
again
where
we
can
move.
I
think
we
had
a
lengthy
discussion.
While
I
had
the
overlay
map
up,
and
that
was
really
the
intent
of
this
stop.
We
can
keep
moving
unless
anyone
has
any
questions.
I
I
think
tenants
and
of
this
recommendation
and
of
all
this
new
development
review
process
is
the
idea
of
incentivizing
public
benefits
next
slide,
please
our
goal
and
objective
for
public
benefits
in
creating
a
table
of
an
innovative
point
system
where
we
incentivize
certain
community
benefits
and
needs
such
as
affordable
housing,
living
wages,
green
buildings,
streets,
sidewalks
and
street
trees,
and
we
also
have
negative
points
for
displacement
of
certain
uses,
such
as
office
and
residential
uses,
and
the
idea
with
this
new
point
system
was
that
we
wanted
to
create
a
predictable,
a
fair
process.
I
So,
for
example,
a
hotel
project
in
the
central
business
district
or
downtown
area
is
required
to
meet
a
higher
threshold
for
points
than
hotels
that
would
be
located
outside
of
the
central
business
district,
also,
depending
upon
the
size
of
the
hotel,
also
dictates
how
many
points
are
required.
I
It's
actually,
it
should
be.
A
medium-sized
hotel
of
up
to
80
rooms
in
the
central
business
district
would
be
required
to
have
140
points
and
a
larger
hotel.
Over
81
rooms
would
be
required
to
have
180
points,
and
we
have
assigned
points
to
different
public
benefits
such
as
affordable
housing,
green
building
standards,
living
wages,
public
art,
it's
a
weighted
system.
So
if
a
project
includes
affordable
housing
or
green
building,
we
we
weighted
those
higher
than
other
benefits.
I
I
And
if
we
could
just
zoom
in
a
little
bit
and
if
everyone
strains
their
eyes
a
little
bit,
we
could
take
a
look
at
this,
but
the
this
is
an
example
of
the
public
benefits
table
that
we've
created
on
the
the
upper
portion
of
the
slide.
I
We've
identified,
whether
a
hotel
is
within
the
central
business
district
or
outside
of
the
central
business
district.
We
have
what
those
point
requirements
are.
So
if
you
kind
of
look
in
the
upper
left
portion
of
the
slide,
a
hotel
in
the
central
business
district
under
35
rooms
is
required
to
meet
100
points.
I
I
Thank
you.
That's
good!
We've
organized
the
public
benefits
by
different
categories,
so
the
first
category
is
what
we're
calling
sustainability
the
hotelier
would
be
able
to
select
up
to
one
of
these
public
benefit
options.
Some
of
the
examples
that
we're
showing
here
is
adaptive,
reuse
of
a
historic
building
would
yield.
For
example,
50
points.
I
There's
a
certification,
that's
similar
to
leed,
which
is
issued
by
the
united
states
green
building
council.
I
I've
typically
seen
you
know,
lead
gold
and
silver
type
of
buildings
within
the
city
that
have
obtained
that
certification,
so
the
the
higher
the
certification,
the
harder
it
is,
the
more
green
your
building
is
you're
able
to
achieve
more
points.
So,
for
example,
a
lead,
platinum
building
could
yield
160
points
in
this
system
or
a
net
zero
building,
which
is
a
really
really
green.
Building
would
also
yield
that
same
amount.
I
I
We
also
offer
points
for
different
levels
of
affordability
and
we've
provided
several
options.
I
think
actually,
five
options.
If
you
look
to
the
right
hand
of
the
screen,
it
actually
describes
exactly
what
level
of
benefit
we're
requiring
so,
for
example,
affordable
housing
option.
One
means
that
you
donate
500
per
room
to
the
city's
for
housing,
trust
fund
housing,
option
two,
you
donate
more
to
the
housing
trust
fund
and
so
on.
I
D
I
We
we
do
have
this
defined.
I
believe
it
is
based
on
80
ami.
The
the
difference
here
is
that
the
number
of
points
increase,
depending
upon
at
what
rate
of
of
the
number
of
affordable
units
that
you
have
integrated
into
a
project
and
for
how
long
so,
for
example,
under
one
of
the
options
here-
affordable
housing.
I
think
it's
option.
Four,
let's
see
here,
I'm
sorry
option
five.
I
Okay,
so
you
have
production
of
newly
constructed,
affordable
housing
at
a
rate
of
it's
cut
off,
but
it's
0.1
unit
per
room,
we're
actually
we've
worked
on
a
new,
updated
version
of
this
table.
I
After
speaking
with
folks
from
our
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
and
getting
more
feedback,
we've
made
some
changes
to
have
some
additional
options
that
are
related
to
the
amount,
the
number
of
affordable
housing
units
that
you
provide
and
for
how
long?
So,
for
example,
we
have
a
new
option
that
has
a
rate
of
0.1,
a
affordable
housing
unit
per
guest
room,
that's
affordable
for
20
years,
and
we
have
another
option
for
30
years
and
that
yields
more
affordable
units
and
for
a
longer
time
period.
I
So
we've
tried
to
create
some
new
options
that
you
might
not
see
in
this
table,
but
to
kind
of
address
that
that
question,
perhaps.
I
At
this
time,
no,
what
what
we
have
is
more
points
for
the
number
of
affordable
units
you
include
and
for
the
time
period.
At
this
time,
we
don't
have
different
options
for
the
level
of
affordability,
whether
it's
60
percent
ami
versus
80
percent,.
A
I
I
And
we
could
certainly
provide
more
options,
and-
and
just
so
you
know
that
the
housing
trust
fund
is
kind
of
meant
to
capture
that
less
than
80
percent
range
also,
and
that
was
some
of
our
thinking
with
this
table
when
we
first
created
it.
But
we
could
certainly,
you
know,
add
some
additional
options
as
well.
D
There's
no
discussion
of
really
where
the
money
primarily
goes
haven't
seen.
Requirements
regarding
women
as
contractors,
minority
owned
contracting
firms
or
the
composition
of
the
organizations
actually
doing
the
building.
D
D
Actual
I'm
talking
about
the
building
side,
I'm
talking
about
the
folks
living
in
the
places
and
the
folks
working
at
the
organizations
that
do
the
building
just
by
soapbox,
but
sorry
go
ahead.
H
Todd
for
me
to
get
a
sense
of
this
500
per
room
thousand
dollars
per
room.
Do
we
have
access
to
you
know
in
asheville
how
profitable
is
an
average
hotel
room?
I
mean
because
frankly,
these
look
really
low
to
me.
H
I
mean
you
know
if
I
think
that
a
hotel,
if
I
think,
of
a
hotel
as
being
70
occupied-
and
you
know
on
average
we're
getting
rates
of
more
than
a
hundred
dollars
per
night
five
hundred
dollars
a
room
seems
quite
low.
But
again
I
I
I'm
saying
that
with
with
not
having
a
sense
of
like
what
profitability
per
room
is
in
nashville,
do
we
have
access
to
that
and
if
so,
I'd
like
to
see
it
again
so
that
I
can
just
you
know
with
that
information.
H
Look
at
this
look
at
those
numbers,
because
I
suspect
that
most
people
are
not
going
to
produce
affordable
housing.
What
they're
going
to
do
is
opt
for
this.
You
know
donation
to
the
housing
trust
fund,
and
so
I
think
that's
going
to
be
the
the
the
more
used
tool,
but
I
could
be
wrong.
I
Yeah,
I
could
certainly
look
into
the
data
that's
available
for
profitability
per
room,
and
I
would
just
note
that
you
know
if
a
hotelier
opted
for
the
500
per
room
option.
I
I
can't
see
on
the
chart
exactly
how
many
points
it
would
get.
I
want
to
say
it's
around
40
or
50
points.
I
They
would
still
have
a
long
ways
to
go
to
meeting
the
required
point
threshold
to
be
reviewed
at
a
staff
level,
so
we're
we're
really
trying
to
weight
the
housing
and
other
public
benefit
options
where
the
community
gets
gets
more
from
it.
I
You
know,
for
example,
under
this
table
housing
option
number
four:
two
thousand
dollars
per
room
would
a
hundred
room
hotel
that
would
yield
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
toward
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
that
it
would
be
would
meet
some
of
the
points
and
the
hotelier
would
still
have
to
provide
other
benefits
that
are
in
this
table.
I
Looking
at
the
types
of
benefits
that
council
has
been
negotiating
with
hoteliers
and
trying
to
get
at
least
what
council
has
been
negotiated,
and
hopefully
some
more-
and
I
do
have
some
examples
that
I
can
review
on
the
next
few
slides
that
actually
apply
the
public
benefits
point
system
to
real-life
projects.
You
could
see
whether
some
of
those
projects
would
have
been
approved
or
not.
A
E
I
And
and
then
at
the
at
the
end,
I
mentioned
negative
points
for
displacement,
so
we
have
it's
negative.
I
think
20
points
per
business
or
per
housing
unit,
that's
displaced
and
again,
if
we're
ready
to
move
on.
I
could
I'm
happy
to
review
some
of
the
real
life
examples
of
how
the
point
system
would
have
worked
for
some
prior
hotels
that
have
been
approved.
C
Todd
we
had
talked
at
the
last
council
meeting
about
incorporating
into
this.
It
wouldn't
be
a
detriment,
but
it
would
be
another
benefit.
The
idea
that
that
came
up
in
the
context
of
the
cox
ashland
development
that
antoinette
suggested,
which
is
you
know
if
you
can
commit
to
contracting
with
minority
women,
small
business
enterprises.
You
know
something
that
trying
to
you
know
bring
together
different
priorities
that
the
city
has,
but
including
that
some
some
concept
of
that
in
here
as
a
positive,
would
be
good.
I
I
could
definitely
we
could
definitely
include
something
like.
A
C
Well,
I
was
just
gonna
say:
can
you
go
back
to
the
chart
again,
my
I
guess
my
question
would
be
to
the
rest
of
council.
Is
there?
Is
there
any?
Does
anybody
see
anything
else
here?
That's
missing,
I
mean
antoinette.
You
just
mentioned
some
other
things
around
affordable
housing,
but
that
might
better
live
in
our
housing,
trust
fund
policy
and
in
those
kinds
of
places
where
we're
giving
money
to
affordable
housing
developers
this,
but
is
there
anything
missing
from
this
list
that
we've
talked
about
over
the
last
few
years?
A
Well,
you
know
the
the
one
challenge
of
trying
to
create
a
list
like
this
is
you
know
there
have
been
a
couple
of
projects
that
we've
done
some
creative
things
on
we
did.
You
know
we
had
one
that
funded
a
playground
in
public
housing.
We've
had
some
bus,
shelter
and
I'm
I
mean
some
projects
will
require
the
shelter
we've
had
others
that
we
that
didn't
requirement
for
a
bus
shelter,
but
we
asked
for
so
the
rotation
bike
bed
kind
of
infrastructure
that
we've
added
before
the
other
thing.
A
That
kind
of
I
wonder
about
is
you
know,
nobody
builds
a
new
hotel
anymore
without
making
it
an
efficient
building.
They
don't
necessarily
go
for
the
leed
certification
because
it
costs
so
much
money
to
do
that
and
it
doesn't.
They
can
build
a
hotel
that
is
the
equivalent
of
like
a
lead,
silver
or
whatever,
but
they
don't
necessarily
bother
to
get
the
certification
because
of
the
cost
and
hoops
you
jump
through.
I
just
wonder
how
meaningful
that
will
be.
A
If
you
know,
if
builders
aren't
just
going
to
be
building
environmentally
efficient
buildings
anyway,
but
you
know
I
hesitate
to
say,
take
that
out,
because
you
know
it's
definitely
been
a
focus
of
our
building
code
to
encourage
people
to
build.
You
know
in
environmentally
efficient
buildings,
and
we
we
also
have
it
in
our
luigi.
Our
incentives
around
you
know
our
tax
incentive
program
for
new
for
business
creation.
So
anyway,
I
just
it's
a
lot
of
points
you
can
get
for
doing.
A
Something
that
you
might
have
been
doing
anyway,
is
all
I'm
saying.
I
That
mayor,
that
that
particular
issue
is
something
we've
debated
a
lot
internally
within
the
planning
department,
and
you
know
the
rationale
for
actually
obtaining
the
certification
for
lead,
which
you're
you're
correct.
It
could
be
very,
very
costly
and
ad
add
to
the
the
project.
I
Cost
was
really
from
an
enforcement
perspective
that
if
we
had
considered
allowing
a
project
that
just
meets
the
minimum
requirements
of
lead
in
this
table,
but
not
getting
the
actual
certification,
we
we
thought
of
asking
for
a
lead,
accredited
professional,
usually
an
architect
that
could
provide
us
with
a
letter
and
sign
off
that
the
project
meets
the
minimum
requirements,
even
though,
if
it
didn't
get
certified.
I
But
what
could
happen
is
over
the
years
that
project
could
could
make
changes
where
all
of
a
sudden?
It's
not
it's,
not
a
green
building
anymore.
They
could
change
out
their
hvac
system
or
lighting,
for
example,
and
over
time
they
wouldn't
necessarily
meet
those
minimum
requirements.
What
a
leed
certified
or
certification
actually
does
is
it.
It
says
that
that
project
has
to
obtain
maintain
those
green
building
standards
throughout
the
lifetime
of
the
project,
but
but
again
we're
we're
very
open
to
suggestions
to
improve
this
table.
I
We
can
certainly
take
a
look
at
that
if
council
wishes,
the
other
thing
I
would
say
is
we.
We
also
offer
this
green
globe
option,
which
is
another
certification
requirement
similar
to
leed.
But
my
understanding
is
understanding.
Is
it's
not
as
costly
as
leeds
that
the
green
globe
standard
is?
Is
a
less
expensive
certification
process.
D
C
I
There
there
is
a
definition
for
that
and
I
might
have
to
defer
to
vadilla
saffica
if
he's
on
the
line,
exactly
how
we
define
that.
But
my
understanding
is
it's
something
like
a
bus,
shelter,
for
example,.
J
Yeah
hear
me
yeah:
this
is
for
neighborhood
improvement,
so
we've
defined
it
somewhat
vaguely
to
to
include
capital
projects
like
sidewalks
or
street
trees.
The
reality
is,
it's
probably
going
to
be
a
relatively
small
contribution,
so
most
of
the
time,
it
would
probably
be
something
more
like
additional
trees
in
the
neighborhood
than
a
capital
project
that
actually
requires
a
significant
budget.
J
Oh,
the
transportation
benefit
is
bus,
passes.
I'm
sorry,
I
missed
the
first
part.
I
thought
you
were
asking
about
neighborhood
improvement
and
transportation.
Bus
is
for
bus,
passes,
bus.
B
I
have
concerns
well
lots
of
concerns,
but
for
go
back
up
to
the
top
of
the
chart
where
you're
talking
about
hotels
outside
of
the
central
business,
district
and
and
biltmore,
and
and
this
this
the
points
total
are
pretty
low
and
I'm
wondering
if
people
can't
achieve
those
approval
there
without
even
requiring
or
paying
a
living
wage,
because
what
I
I
just
sort
of
picture
people
or
developers,
picking
and
choosing
little
little
areas
while
there's
some
wonderful
things
that
they
did.
B
That
would
be
outstanding
if
they
gave
two
thousand
became
a
b
corps.
You
know
if,
if,
if
our
goal
truly
is
also
to
limit
the
amount
of
hotels
being
built,
then
we've
got
to
raise
those
requirements
to
get
to
that,
and
I
I
just
think
that
it's
pro
that
there's
ways
to
get
to
the
point
total
that
they're
wanting
to
achieve
without
us
actually
getting
great
projects.
You
know
I've.
How
many
times
have
we
had
attorneys
come
to
us
and
say?
B
Well,
this
is
not
a
great
project,
but
it's
a
it's
a
pretty
good
project,
and-
and
you
should,
we
should
approve
it,
and-
and
you
know
at
this
point
in
time-
I
don't
think
we
should
be
approving
pretty
good
projects,
especially
when
there
are
hotels.
I
think
they
ought
to
be
fabulous
projects,
great
projects
and
the
public.
B
They're,
offering
are
vast,
so
I
mean
I
I
just
personally
feel
like
we
have
to
re-eval
evaluate
this.
This
whole
point
system
to
see
if
it's
where
we
want
to
be.
B
I
had
been
writing
notes
earlier
today
on.
I
will
just
read,
because
I
better
at
that,
if
we
are
to
create
a
point
system
aimed
at
providing
public
benefit,
it
needs
to
be
strengthened
in
order
to
result
in
fewer
projects
being
approved
and
those
that
are
approved,
providing
maximum
public
benefit.
B
That
would
result
in
drastically
reducing
project
approvals,
while
only
approving
projects
that
are
truly
committed
to
public
benefit,
and
you
know
that's
what
if
we
cannot
have
a
a
continued
moratorium
on
hotels,
that's
the
way
I
envision
this
that
that
we're
only
approving
a
few
great
projects
and
and
the
others.
A
Are
you,
I
think
you
guys
are
trying
to
make
the
city
attorney
have
a
heart
attack,
but
but
I
think
that
that
that
is
a
good
question,
whether
whether
it
can
just
be
incorporated
in
regardless,
I
mean
we're
already
we're
already.
A
I
mean
I
know
people
hate
to
hear
it,
but
we're
already
trying
to
sort
of
push
the
envelope
in
terms
of
what
we
can
do.
Legally,
I
mean
so,
but
can
I
bring
up
a
process
problem?
It
is
almost
4
15.
We
have
a
council
meeting
at
five
o'clock
and
I
am
so
glad
for
this
robust
discussion
and
I
don't
want
to
cut
it
off
and
we're
not
done
with
this
presentation
and
there's
going
to
be
more
so
what
what?
What
should
we
do?
A
Should
we
continue
this
work
session
to
another
date
to
to
finish
this
work
session,
because
I
don't
see
how
we
can
finish
it.
The
time
we've
got
here
and
get
ready
then
and
turn
around
and
do
the
council
meeting
so.
I
If
I
can
make
a
recommendation
to
to
that
point,
I
have
four
more
slides
that
can
go
through
quickly.
That
just
sticks
to
the
topic
of
the
point
system
or
where
I
review
real
life
projects
where
we
apply
the
point
system,
and
that
might
be
a
good
stopping
point.
I
A
I
I
I
I
We
structure
it
in
a
way
where
a
hotel
project
would
have
to
choose
one
of
those
things
in
addition
to
some
other
public
benefits,
but
just
want
to
to
kind
of
provide
some
rationale
for
you
all
for
that
ashley,
I'm
not
sure
if
we're
able
to
to
zoom
out
like
one
level
here,
if
not
I
I
could
work
with
this,
but
this
is
an
example
of
a
real
life
project,
the
create
broadway
project
that
ultimately
there
was
not
a
decision
you
know
made
at
the
time.
I
I
Under
the
point
system,
they
would
have
been
required
to
achieve
180
points
because,
mainly
because
of
the
displacement
of
the
businesses
and
again
we
we
would
subtract
points
for
each
business
displaced.
They
would
have
received
negative
points
for
the
project
and
they
would
have
required
city
council
review.
So
this
is.
This
is
just
one
example
of
of
that.
I
would
also
note
that
the
create
broadway
project
again
is,
would
have
been
located
outside
of
where
we
would
allow
large
hotels
by
right.
So
that
would
be
an
automatic
trigger
for
city
council
as
well.
I
I
They
committed
to
a
public
mural
on
the
parking
garage
wall
they
donated
250
000
to
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund,
provided
the
bus,
shelter
transit
signage
on
polls
nearby,
this
particular
project,
the
heiress,
would
have
received
220
points
where
180
points
would
have
been
required.
So
this
is
an
example
of
a
project
that,
under
our
proposed
system,
would
potentially
be
reviewed
at
a
staff
level
instead
of
a
city
council
level.
I
The
next
two
examples
are
two
suburban
projects:
the
first
one,
the
true
by
hilton
on
tunnel
road,
contain
86
rooms,
some
of
the
benefits
that
they
provided
were
ten
thousand
dollars
for
transit
improvements
and
ten
thousand
dollars
for
public
art.
They
also
had
a
volunteer
green
hotel
standard
called
green
lodging
certification.
I
The
the
other
donations
would
not
have
tripped
the
threshold
for
what
we're
asking
in
our
point
system.
So
this
particular
project
would
have
received
10
total
points
where
120
points
are
required.
This
project
would
have
been
a
conditional
zoning
application
that
would
have
been
reviewed
by
city
council
and
not
at
a
staff
level,
and
then
the
last
project
is
the
residence
inn
which
is
formerly
known
as
the
extended
stay
on
biltmore
avenue
across
from
lee
walker
heights.
I
The
hotelier
committed
500
000
toward
the
housing
trust
fund,
and
they
donated
play
equipment
for
lee
walker
heights.
This
project
would
have
achieved
130
points
where
120
points
is
required.
So
with
the
benefits
that
were
offered
as
part
of
this
project,
it
would
have
been
reviewed
at
a
staff
level
and
not
city
council
level.
I
We
actually
felt
like
we
struggled
to
find
projects
that
would
have
been
approved
by
wright
by
staff
unless
that
project
included
some
additional
public
benefits.
So
these
are
just
two
examples.
We
want
to
try
to
include
two
in
the
downtown
and
two
outside
the
downtown
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
these
or,
unless
you
are
all
ready
to
adjourn
until
the
next
time.
A
Any
questions,
quick,
quick
sort
of
questions
before
we
adjourn
this
part.
A
of
this
work.
A
Session,
okay,
I
think
I
mean
I
think,
we've
gotten
an
overview
of
the
basic
proposed
structure
for
a
new
ordinance,
and
you
know
I
think,
a
threshold
question
for
council
to
be
thinking
about
and
where
we'll
probably
not
need
to
begin
our
part
b
work
session.
Is
you
know
just
conceptually?
A
Are
we
in
agreement
with
this
concept?
You
know
brian
has
raised
several
issues
about
it
and
concerns
about
it,
and
we
need
to
give
clear
direction
to
staff
as
to
whether
or
not
to
keep
working
on
this
concept
or
not.
A
I
realize
we've
got
kind
of
a
chicken
and
egg
problem,
because
you
know
the
question
is
going
to
be.
How
well
is
this
received
in
the
community
whether
the
community
supports
it?
Obviously
that
will
dictate
to
a
great
extent
whether
council
can
support
it.
So
you
know
how
do
we
want
to
you
know?
Do
we
already
know
right
away?
We
want
to
change,
or
do
we
conceptually
agree
with
the
idea,
the
structure
of
it
and
move
it
forward
for
more
community
input?
A
You
know
I'm
just
throwing
those
statements
out
rhetorically,
not
not
for
question
done
for
discussion
right
now.
Just
process
wise:
how
do
we
want
to
do
this
and
I
think
if
we
can
sort
of
quickly
pull
together
a
part
b
work
session,
while
this
is
all
sort
of
fresh
that'll
be
good,
also
not
to
mention.
We
are
under
a
deadline
here,
with
the
moratorium,
eventually
expiring.
So,
okay
is
there
any
other
julia.