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A
Good
afternoon
and
welcome
to
the
fifth
budget
work
session
for
the
asheville
city
council,
my
name
is
lester
mannheimer,
I'm
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
asheville
and
we're
going
to
we've
got
all
council
here
on
this
call
and
several
staff
and
we're
going
to
begin
by
kicking
it
off
to
the
city
manager
who's
going
to
introduce
our
presenter
this
afternoon,
deborah
campbell.
Please
take.
B
B
I'd
like
to
just
first
take
a
minute
to
pause
and
and
thank
obviously
the
staff
for
all
the
work
that
they've
been
done,
but
I
also
have
to
thank
council.
You
all
have
given
this
kind
of
some
extra
effort.
We
don't
normally
have
these
many
work
sessions
around
the
budget,
so
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
think
it's
an
indication
of
of
kind
of
the
times
that
we're
living
in.
B
B
Certainly
but
not
least,
we
also
added
an
employee
engagement
session
and
had
good
participation
and
and
input
and
you're
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
that
as
we
go
through
the
presentation,
as
usual,
staff
from
finance
and
budget
will
handle
the
yeoman's
work
and
do
the
heavy
lifting
in
terms
of
the
presentations,
and
we
have
as
we've
done
in
the
past
of
places
where
we
will
stop
to
allow
you
all
to
have
dialogue
and
discussion
next
slide.
B
So
in
terms
of
the
information
that
we
want
to
cover,
we
want
to
just
remind
you
all,
as
well
as
the
public,
what
this
process
has
been
about
all
the
steps.
All
the
you
know,
information
we've
covered
in
the
in
the
work
session.
We'll
then
provide
you
with
an
overview
of
our
draft
recommendations
outlining
proposed
investments
in
in
terms
of
council
priorities
in
other
areas,
talk
about
the
property
tax
rate
and
then
what
our
next
steps
should
be
in
terms
of
the
budget
process.
B
As
I
said,
the
public
hearing
and
the
actual
action
on
the
recommended
budget
we'll
also
be
talking
about
rescue
plan
funding.
Luckily,
I
think
yesterday
the
guidelines
about
that
funding-
excuse
me
was
published
and
staff
is
taking
a
very,
very
deep
dive
to
look
over
the
information,
it's
about
a
150
page
document,
so
we
are
coming
through
it
as
quickly
as
possible
and
we
will
continue
to
have
those
discussions
next
slide.
B
As
usual,
we
always
begin
with
the
end
in
mind,
so
we
want
to
leave
you
with
these
messages
again.
This
is
a
long
presentation,
it's
going
to
cover
a
lot
of
information,
but
if
you
don't
remember
anything,
we
hope
that
you
will
take
away
these
things
that
these
draft
recommendations
they're
based
on
all
of
the
work
that
I
just
talked
about
our
internal
work
with
our
departments,
community
engagement
council
priorities
and
reflecting
the
continuation
of
the
reimagining
public
safety
process
that
we
began
last
summer.
B
A
property
tax
rate
above
revenue
neutral,
is
tentatively
recommended
to
fund
investments
in
the
council.
Priorities
just
couldn't
make
the
numbers
work
without
it.
Some
initiatives
included
in
the
manager's
recommended
budget
that
we
will
be
presenting
on
may
25th
will
need
to
be
finalized
during
the
year
and
you'll
hear
some
more
details
about
that.
Specifically,
a
discussion
around
a
potential
consolidation
of
our
911
services.
B
C
Taylor,
thank
you,
miss
campbell
good
afternoon,
mayor
and
council
taylor,
floyd
budget
manager.
So
I'm
going
to
briefly
review
in
this
section
what
we've
covered
with
you
all
during
our
previous
work
sessions,
talk
about
next
steps
in
the
process
to
get
budget
adoption
and
review.
What's
driven
our
budget
process
this
year
next
slide.
C
C
And
next
slide,
so
if
you
look
at
those
dark
blue,
that's
the
the
light
blue
is
where
we've
been.
The
dark
blue
is
where
we're
going.
C
The
last
work
session
today
will
cover
the
topics
the
city
manager
outlined,
and
then
we
sort
of
start
into
the
formal
budget
process,
that's
driven
by
a
state
statute.
That
starts
with
the
manager's
proposed
budget
at
your
regular
meeting
on
may
25th,
followed
by
the
budget
public
hearing
june
8th
and
then
in
a
work
session.
If,
if
needed
and
and
finally
council
adoption
of
the
budget
on
june
22nd.
C
So
and
again
I
know:
we've
we've
showed
you
these
slides
before,
but
we
think
they're
important
so
wanted
to
go
through
them
quickly,
just
starting
from
the
internal
work.
C
You
know
we
started
the
budget
process
for
this
year
with
these
two
crises
that
presented
a
lot
of
uncertainty,
but
we
use
that
to
look
at
our
existing
services
and
their
impact
on
the
most
vulnerable
in
our
community
and
through
that
work,
staff
identified
some
challenges,
one
being
that
the
organizations
just
spread
really
thin
another
that
our
community
has
different
access
to
information
about
our
services
and
even
to
those
services
themselves,
and
that,
while
we
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
community
input,
we
we
have
trouble
reaching
everybody
in
the
city
in
response
to
those
challenges.
C
We're
focusing
our
work
on
neighborhood
level,
engagement
and
developing
clear
data,
informed
decision
making
and
much
of
that
work
is
work
that
you
won't
see
necessarily
reflected
in
some
of
the
the
new
investments,
but
it
will
still
consume
a
lot
of
staff
time
and,
as
the
manager
said,
you
know,
we
still
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
next
year
to
to
get
through.
All
of
this,
but
we
think
that
this
will
help
provide
the
clarity,
transparency
and
accountability
that
we
need
to
be
successful
next
slide.
C
So,
looking
at
the
the
community
work
and
the
engagement
that
we've
done,
you
know
we
started
trying
to
build
on
that.
Reimagining
public
safety
work
through
an
online
survey
and
virtual
sessions
that
we
held
over
the
last
couple
months
and
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
in
detail
about
what
what
we
heard
in
a
few
slides.
But
it's
centered
around
better
linking
the
work
that
the
city
does
to
people's
lives,
better
access
to
staff
and
services
and
more
support
for
neighborhoods
and
when
we're
thinking
about
responding
to
those
those
interests.
C
C
So,
finally,
in
this
little
section
you
know,
council
has
continually
refined
priorities,
starting
from
that
vision,
2036
through
the
april
city
council
retreat,
where
you
all
identified
the
four
priorities
listed
here
and
again,
we'll
continue
our
work
to
address
those
priorities
by
layering
in
the
strategies
that
I
mentioned,
the
data
informed
decision
making
and
neighborhood
level
engagement
and
neighborhood
focused
investment.
So
that's
kind
of
again
where
what's
led
us
to
to
where
we
are
today
next
slide.
C
We
heard
essentially
that
people
want
to
better
understand
how
the
city's
budget
impacts
their
life
and
how
they
can
inform
decisions
around
the
budget.
We
also
heard
that
people
want
more
and
better
information
about
the
budget
and
the
services
that
we
provide,
and
you
know
that
includes
transparency.
That
includes
you,
know,
easier
access,
more
access,
increased
access.
C
And,
finally,
you
know
people
really
want
input
on
the
process
and
want
to
be
able
to
see
the
results
of
that
process
in
their
neighborhoods.
They
want
to
see
those
neighborhood
level
investments
where
they
live
so
moving
to
the
the
employee
engagement.
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
that
briefly
as
well
as
we
perhaps
would
have
expected.
D
On
so
can
we
go
back
to
slide
seven
for
a
second,
because
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
like
when
we
name
two
crises,
there
are
overlapping
issues
and
concerns
with
multiple
crises
happening
at
the
same
time,
overlapping
issues
overlapping
concerns.
D
I'm
concerned
that
the
climate
emergency
is
not
yet
acknowledged
as
a
crisis
here,
additionally,
with
our
buncombe
health
board
last
summer,
naming
racism
as
a
public
health
crisis.
I
hope
we
can
just
state
that
explicitly
that
the
impact
of
racism
in
our
entire
community,
it
impacts
our
health
and
our
well-being
for
everybody.
C
Absolutely-
and
I
I
I
don't-
I
don't
mean
to
say
that
you
know
these
are
the
only
two
things
you
know
negative
things,
perhaps
we'll
say
going
on
in
our
community,
but
those
two
specifically
are
are
really
what
pushed
us
from
a
process
standpoint
internally
to
do
something
a
little
bit
different
from
what
we've
done
in
the
past,
and
I
do
think
that
you
know
we'll
continue
to
try
to
build
in
both
the
climate,
emergency
and
and
other
other
things
that
you
mentioned
as
well
as
we
move
forward
and
as
we
you
know,
get
farther
in
the
in
the
process.
D
Thank
you
for
that.
I
just
think
when
we
say
social
unrest,
social
unrest
might
be
an
outcome
or
like
conflict
is
a
normal
part
of
relationships,
but
the
social
unrest
that
we
saw
might
have
been
differently
if
we
had
been
addressing
the
overlapping
crisis
in
a
different
way.
So
thank
you
for
acknowledging
that
thanks.
C
All
right,
so
next,
I'm
going
to
dive
into
some
of
the
specific
recommendations
that
I
was
talking
about
and
I'll
say
to
start
this.
This
is
a
long
section.
C
I
can't
even
make
it
all
the
way
through
tony
mcdowell
is
going
to
pick
it
up
part
way
through
there,
but
feel
free
to
ask
questions
when
you
have
them,
because,
because
it
is
a
long
stretch
of
information,
so
even
though
I
just
covered
it
again,
we
want
to
remind
you
that
we're
trying
to
address
the
challenges
we've
identified
through
our
internal
and
external
work,
as
well
as
achieve
your
goals
by
utilizing
those
two
strategies.
I
talked
about
that
neighborhood
level
engagement
and
that
clear
data
informed
decision
making
that's
sliding.
C
So
we
do
think
that
these
recommend
recommendations
represent
a
balanced
and
fiscally
responsible
budget,
and
that
balance
is
really
about
trying
to
balance
the
impact
on
tax
and
ratepayers
with
the
investments
that
we
think
we
need
to
make
to
successfully
achieve
our
goals,
and
we
try
to
do
that.
We
try
to
find
that
balance
by
minimizing
the
impact
of
rising
costs
of
service
delivery.
C
So
we've
organized
this
part
into
these
kind
of
categories
that
you
see
here.
Some
of
them
are
some
of
our
investments
are
new
investments
like
I
said
some
are
ongoing
investments.
We
think
these
eight
categories
reflect
both
your
priorities,
as
well
as
some
other
key
areas
that
we
want
to
invest
in
next
slide.
The
first
of
those
is
reparations.
C
C
Next
slide:
oh
wait!
Sorry
you're
already
there
so
neighborhoods
and
housing,
we're
appropriating
150
000
in
fund
balance
to
add
to
an
existing
50
that
was
already
set
aside
for
neighborhood
investments.
We're
going
to
use
that
to
start
a
small-scale
neighborhood
grant
program
that
I
referenced
earlier
also
again
want
to
call
out
some
existing
budget.
That's
dedicated
to
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund.
That's
the
500
thousand
dollar
annual
allocation,
as
well
as
land
use,
incentive
grants
and
fee
rebates
for
affordable
housing
developments.
That's
that
to
225
000.
C
And
finally,
in
this
area
I
just
want
to
make
a
note:
we're
we're
working
to
program
some
additional
capacity
that
we
think
we
have
in
our
cip.
That's
really
a
result
of
stretching
our
existing
funding,
a
little
farther
because
we're
seeing
lower
interest
rates
on
recent
debt
issuances
and
some
changes
to
project
spending
timelines.
C
So
that's
a
that's
good
news.
You
know
again,
our
money
goes
a
little
farther,
but
we
we
hope
that
we'll
be
able
to
utilize
that
to
fund
additional
sidewalks
road
repairs,
building
maintenance
and
other
needed
investments,
but
again
things
that
we
we
want
people
to
see
in
their
neighborhoods.
E
Thank
you
debra.
I
forget
they
can't
always
seek
that.
The
225
for
luigi
is
this
kind
of
the
existing
rebates
we're
giving
annually.
Or
is
this
new
expected
rebates.
C
So
those
are
there's
two
separate
pieces
to
that.
We
just
put
them
put
them
together
to
save
space.
One
is
the
the
fee
rebates.
Those
are
a
little
hard
to
judge
because
they
kind
of
come
in.
C
As
you
know,
projects
are
developed
right
and
somebody
comes
down
and
is
ready
to
go,
thinks
there's
matches.
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge
to
kind
of
budget,
those
on
an
annual
basis.
C
The
the
land
use
incentive
grants
are
also
a
little
bit
and
until
they
actually
start
they're
a
little
hard
to
guess,
but
that
we
think
is
is
appropriate
for
what
we
need
for
next
year
for
both
of
those
two
programs
together,
I
will
say
that
the
luigi,
as
more
of
the
projects
that
have
already
been
approved,
are
completed
and
come
online,
that
that
number
will
go
up
because
we'll
just
have
more
projects
that
we're
providing
that
that
incentive
to.
C
Great
next
slide,
so
another
area,
we're
looking
to
make
some
investments
in
excuse
me,
is
in
services
for
youth,
we're
looking
to
make
those
additional
investments
that
directly
benefit
the
younger
folks
in
our
community,
especially
in
some
traditionally
underserved
areas,
and
that
includes
expanding
evening
and
weekend
hours
at
recreation,
centers
and
adding
some
resources
for
enhanced
maintenance
at
high
use
parks
and
that
enhanced
maintenance
includes
more
cleaning,
more
trash
collection
and
more
landscape
maintenance.
Among
some
other
things
again,.
D
C
So
again,
a
lot
of
ongoing
work
there,
some
more
work
to
be
done
again
as
the
as
the
manager
said
in
her
introduction
as
it
relates
to
this.
I
think
this
is
my
last
slide.
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
our
finance
director,
tony
mcdowell,.
F
Thanks
taylor
and
good
afternoon,
everybody
and
first
of
all,
thanks
for
getting
us
this
far
now
you're
struggling
with
some
allergies,
and
so
I
appreciate
you
working
through
it
to
this
point
so
that
everyone
doesn't
have
to
listen
to
me
for
for
30,
slides
or
so,
but
I'm
going
to
pick
up
where
taylor
left
off
and
once
again
we're
kind
of
in
a
long
stretch
of
the
presentation
here.
F
F
So,
where
I
want
to
started,
was
we're
going
to
start
with
to
let
you
all
or
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
the
funds
that
we're
looking
to
reallocate
from
from
the
vacancies
vacancies
that
we
currently
have
in
the
police
department?
We
currently
have
67
sworn
vacancies
in
that
department
and
based
on
the
hiring
plans
and
the
turnover
rate
that
we're
seeing.
F
We're
also
using
some
of
the
savings
to
cover
some
increased
costs
within
the
police
operating
budget.
We've
talked
to
you
all
in
the
last
couple
work
sessions
about
the
increase
in
the
cost
for
the
body-worn
camera
maintenance,
so
we'll
be
utilizing
some
of
the
savings
to
do
that.
F
If
you
all
remember
back
last
fall
as
a
part
of
the
initial
phase
of
reimagining
public
safety,
we
moved
some
of
the
nuisance
enforcement
items
out
of
police
and
over
to
development
services,
specifically
noise,
ordinance
and
animal
control
services,
and
what
we've
discovered
so
far
is
that,
in
order
to
provide
those
services
in
that
department,
we
need
some
additional
resources
to
do
that,
so
we'll
be
reallocating.
F
Some
further
dollars
out
of
police
into
development
service
to
cover
those
needs
for
some
additional
positions
and
development
services.
Next
slide.
F
We
are
also
looking
to
position
ourselves
with
this
budget
to
be
able
to
consolidate
9-1-1
services.
The
city
manager
mentioned
that
in
her
opening
comments,
the
negotiations
currently
are
continuing
with
buncombe
county
around
this,
and
we
don't
have
a
final
number
yet
in
terms
of
what
what
the
cost
may
be
or
what
that
may
look
like.
F
But
we
feel
like
the
budget
that
we're
preparing
to
bring
to
you
all
in
a
couple
weeks,
will
put
us
in
a
position
to
move
forward
with
that
consolidation
utilizing
the
existing
apd
telecommunications
budget
that
we
that
we
currently
have
in
place.
F
Those
budget
proposals
are
still
under
development
and
we
don't
have
solid
cost
figures
on
those
right
now
to
include
in
the
budget,
but
we
do
anticipate
moving
forward
with
those
proposals
in
the
upcoming
fiscal
year
and
then
another
item
to
mention,
and
it's
not
specifically
related
fully
to
the
police
department.
But
we
are
adding
some
money
to
the
budget
next
year.
F
Look
our
final
slide
on
on
reimagining
public
safety.
Again
just
wanted
to
kind
of
remind
you
all
of
some
of
the
investments
that
we
made
and
some
of
the
changes
we
made
last
fall.
If
you
remember,
we,
we
reallocated
770
000
from
the
police
department.
Last
fall
some
of
that
went
into
the
development
services
for
the
services.
F
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
a
few
slides
ago,
but
some
of
the
money
also
went
into
the
it
department
for
enhancements
to
the
data
office,
the
office
of
data
and
improvement
or
accountability,
and
we've
hired
two
positions
already
in
that
office.
Utilizing
the
funding
that
came
over
we've
also
hired
an
additional
person
in
community
communications
to
serve
as
a
neighborhood
liaison
utilizing
those
funds
and
we've
also
had
some
additional
homeless
outreach
that
was
approved
all
apart
as
part
of
the
initial
phase
of
reimagining
public
safety
and
then
just
a
couple
other
things
to
highlight.
F
Moving
on
to
transportation
highlight
some
new
investments
that
we're
going
to
be
recommending
the
budget
related
to
transportation.
The
first
of
those
is
the
the
next
phase
in
the
expansion
of
transit
service.
F
These
these
expansions
would
take
place
in
october
of
this
year
and
they
include
extending
the
evening
hours,
which
would
complete
year,
one
of
the
transit
master
plan
and
also
including
it
also
would
include
increasing
the
frequency
on
the
s3
and
s6
routes
from
90
minutes
down
to
45
minutes,
and
that
comes
at
a
cost
of
about
1.1
million
dollars
next
year,
which
would
be
borne
by
the
general
fund
and
that's
not
a
full
year's
cost,
since
we
would
only
be
starting
service
in
october,
so
that
represents
nine
months
of
cost
next
year.
F
Budget
also
includes
175
000,
and
we've
mentioned
this
in
the
previous
work
session,
to
cover
the
cost
of
the
existing
transit
service
contract
and
that's
just
to
continue
providing
the
current
service
level
that
we
have
and
then
finally-
and
we've
mentioned
this
before-
and
some
of
the
other
work
sessions
as
well.
We
have
some
money
built
into
the
budget
to
fully
fund
or
for
a
full
year.
F
The
area
of
environment
and
taylor
mentioned
this
a
little
bit
earlier
on
the
first
two
things
are
new
dollars
new
dollars
to
cover
kind
of
the
cost
of
continuing
to
do
what
we
do
now,
but
I
think
they
are.
They
are
important
and
there
are
significant
additions
to
the
budget.
The
first
of
those
is
a
300
000
dollars
that
we're
adding
to
the
base
budget
and
that's
simply
to
maintain
the
the
current
household
recycling
program.
F
F
And
in
our
previous
work
session,
we
highlighted
some
of
the
things
that
are
going
on
within
our
sustainability
program.
But
I
wanted
to
pull
out
here
and
highlight
the
green
savings
program.
And
this
is
something
that
we've
had
in
place
for
about
10
years
now,
where
we
take
the
savings
that
we
achieved
when
we
installed
led
street
lights
and
we
utilize
those
savings
to
do
other
things
and
and.
F
Investments,
green
investments
into
our
operations
and
right
now
there's
some
money
in
that
program.
Right
now
we
anticipate
some
additional
dollars
being
added
to
it
on
july
1st,
so
we
think
that
program's
going
to
have
about
425
000
available
to
start
in
its
next
fiscal
year
for
for
additional
green
investments.
F
But
one
thing
we
want
to
highlight
is
that
we
are
likely
to
be
bringing
to
you
all
mid-year,
an
assessment
of
the
sanitation
and
stormwater
services.
Looking
at
those
services
looking
at
the
needs
in
those
areas
and
potentially
recommending
fee
increases
related
to
those
areas,
so
I'll
stop
there
and
see
council
member
turner.
Do
you
have
a
question.
E
I
did,
I
guess,
I'm
just
looking
at
this
as
our
opportunity
to
perhaps
talk
about
an
urban
forester,
so
I'm
seeing
some
things,
but
I'm
this
language
of
existing
staffs
and
not
looking
at
an
urban
forest
or
an
expansion
at
that
time.
E
Did
you
all
look
at
that,
and
I
mean
I
guess,
I'm
just
I'm
not
aware
of
like
additional
funding
for
the
storm
response.
If
that's
like
something
we
ran
into
last
year,
and
this
is
an
actual
need
or
if
we're
trying
to
plan
or
if
there's
room
to
do
some
of
that
and
some
of
a
forester
or
could
anyone
speak
to
that
or
where
we've
got
with
that
position,
I
realize
it's
an
ongoing
expense,
so.
A
F
E
E
We're
in
a
special
circumstance
this
year
with
a
lot
going
on
and
it
may
not.
You
know,
try
and
get
back
to
regular
staffing
may
not
be
the
best
time
to
also
add
more
staffing,
but
is
there
a
nod?
Are
we
looking
to
this
in
the
future?
This
urban
forester
position?
I
know
it's
a
big
community
desire.
B
Tony,
if,
if
I
could
interject
yes
it
it
is,
and
it
is
one
that
we
feel
like
that
we
can
better
assess
what
our
needs
will
be
after.
We
understand
how
we
currently
are
managing
implementation
of
the
ordinance.
The
ordnance
was
just
past
last
year,
I
believe,
and
so
we're
and-
and
we
haven't
had
the
kind
of
development
pressure
that
we've
had
in
the
past
as
well.
B
So
we're
trying
to
get
some
sea
legs
to
understand
level
of
effort
right
now
and
art
of
magnitude
in
terms
of
the
resources
that
will
be
be
needed.
We
we
had
extensive
conversations
with
development
services
staff
and
they
felt
that
for
this
year
they
would
like
to
understand
again
that
level
of
effort
that's
needed.
What
we
will
say
is
that
we
will
enforce
the
tree
ordinance
and
then
I
think,
understanding
what
additional
needs
are
needed
for
someone.
If
we
added
a
new
urban
forester
position,.
E
Yeah-
and
I
can
understand
that
I
do
think
it's
a
goal
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at.
You
know,
so
I
guess
maybe
process,
question
and
follow-up
when
that
large
project
was
approved
out
near
candler.
There
was
a
tree
canopy
ordinance.
They
I
think
they
paid
in
half
a
million
dollars.
So
we
have
the
infrastructure
to
roll
out.
That,
though
we
don't
need
this
forestry
position
to
kind
of
handle
the
tree
canopy
fund
or
anything.
B
B
E
D
Yes,
thank
you
for
that
additional
information
about
the
future,
but
that
doesn't
yet
address
the
addressing
the
harm.
That's
already
been
done.
So
what
is
our
plan
for
tree
canopy
loss
that
already
exists,
especially
the
disproportionate
impact
on
our
historic
neighborhoods
in
our
housing
authority,
neighborhoods.
B
So
I
think
that
with
the
new
ordnance
and
building
up
the
funding,
and
also
looking
at
some
of
the
capital
funding
that
we
through
management
good
management,
we
will
have
potentially
some
resources
that
we
can
reinvest
back
into
those
areas.
B
B
E
B
D
But
we
are
going
to
have
to
acknowledge
the
not
just
what
comes
next,
but
what
has
already
happened.
Yeah.
B
I
think
that
the
the
payment
in
lieu
all
of
those
things,
those
resources,
those
new
resources,
actually
will
be
used
to
first
and
foremost,
provide
a
stop
gap
for
for
further
damage
and
then
to
assess
if
there
needs
to
be
replantings
and
working
with
our
our
partners.
Green
opportunities
in
other
groups.
B
D
Well,
the
last
thing
I
would
say
is
just
from
my
experience
with
the
sidewalk
fee
and
lu,
which
I
know
we
can
talk
more
about
that
separately,
but
the
problem
that
was
happening
in
the
past
is
we
weren't
charging
a
fee
in
lieu
that
would
even
replace
the
sidewalk
of
the
equal
amount
or
size.
So
we
just,
I
hope
we
will
learn
from
that
and
make
sure
that
our
tree
fianlu
is
enough
to
even
plant.
B
D
B
Miss
ronnie,
I
I
think
you're
absolutely
right
and
I
think
that
we
did
learn
and
thank
you.
That's
the
development
community.
We
have
a
fairly
healthy
fee,
miss
whistler
and
then
back
to
ms
turner.
H
B
I
Yes,
councilwoman
whistler,
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure.
I
understand
your
question
that
the
fee
in
lieu
that
we
have
essentially
if
a
development
is
unable
to
meet
the
requisite
tree
protection-
and
this
is
relative
to
the
kind
of
development
the
location
where
it's
at
they
can
pay.
The
fee
in
lieu
which,
essentially
per
the
ordinance,
is
required,
then
to
be
used
to
create
new
trees,
either
by
purchasing
real
estate
or
planting
trees
within
the
same
designated
area.
So
that,
perhaps,
is
to
say
downtown
or
some
other
portion
of
the
city.
I
So
we
can
use
those
funds,
I
believe,
for
the
acquisition
of
either
real
estate
or
for
planting
additional
trees
within
the
same
district,
where
the
proposed
development
is
well,
they
would
not
be
purchasing
outside
of
the
of
asheville,
because
the
goal
is
to
try
to
mitigate
the
loss
of
trees
within
the
same
area
where
it's
occurring,
but
can.
H
We
replant
our
private
property.
My
question
braden
is,
is
like
say
for
say:
you're
gonna,
you
know
plant
it
in
the
same
area.
I
get
that,
but
like
could
we
plant
it
on
a
private,
privately
owned
land,
or
does
it
have
to
be
only
on
public
on
city-owned
land.
I
J
For
joining
us,
hey,
thank
you.
I'm
gonna
try
I'm
actually
leaving
a
site
visit
right
now.
So
if
I
can
hear
the
question
again,
I
will
try
to.
H
Save
him
okay,
so
my
question
is:
is
when
we
asked
developers
to
put
money
into
the
tree
fund
because
they
weren't
able
to
comply
with
our
tree
ordinance.
Those
funds
and
the
new
trees.
Can
those
be
used
on
non-city-owned
land
or
they
or
did
the
funds
have
to
be
used
for
trees
or
for
on
only
city-owned
land.
J
So
I
know
that
the
funds
they
have
to
be
used
in
the
same
resource
district
for
which
they
were
generated
so
there's
three
resource
districts.
There's
urban,
suburban
in
downtown,
so
you'd
have
to
use
them
in
the
same
resource
district.
J
I
So
I
think
that
that
is
right.
I
don't
believe
the
ordinance
creates
any
specific
prohibition
against
planting
those
on
private
property.
Now,
in
such
a
case,
what
we
would
want
to
do
is
ensure
that
any
trees
planted
that
the
city
would
maintain
the
ability
to
require
those
trees
to
be
kept
up
and
stay
in
place
as
opposed
to
simply
planting
them
and
walking
away.
I
would
defeat
the
purpose
of
the
ordinance.
Generally
speaking.
I
How
this
is
functioned
in
other
places
is
that
municipalities
will
often
essentially
buy
land
that
is
utilized
for
trees
or
by
additional
trees
for
areas
that
is
already
city
owned,
but
you
could
see
a
situation
exist
where
perhaps
someone
creates
land
that
they
want
to
use
for
the
tree,
save
area
that
could
essentially
be
privately
owned,
but
that
that
comes
with
a
few
more
strings
that
would
have
to
be
in
place
in
order
to,
I
think,
properly
enforce
that.
E
Thanks,
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
almost
clarify
something
I
said
for
those
who
may
be
listening
in,
because
we
did
approve
a
project
with
funds
going
into
the
tree
canopy
fund.
However,
those
funds
didn't
become
available.
Right
then
right.
The
understanding
is
that
that
those
funds
are
deposited
when
they
get
their
co
when
they
have
completed
the
building
right,
that's
kind
of
the
standard
rule
is
that
right,
brad.
E
I
I
I'm
not
aware
of
of
the
current
status
of
the
fund
and
I
I
believe
I
might
defer
to
ben
yet
again
to
tell
us
if,
if
any
fee
and
lose
have
been
paid
on
this,
yet
I'm
not
sure
that
that
has
been
the
case.
I
know
that
there
were
some
developments
that
were
looking.
A
J
Yeah,
yes,
we
would
collect
those
fees
prior
to
the
certificate
of
occupancy.
That
is
correct,
councilman
turner.
A
So
we
you
know,
council,
we
did,
the
city
did,
and
maybe
we
need
to
do
a
little
like,
because,
where
our
favorite
new
thing
is
work
sessions,
maybe
we
need
to
do
a
work
session
on
this
topic,
because
we
did
commission
a
tree,
canopy
study,
as
you
know,
and
it
was
presented
at
av
tech
auditorium
and
maybe
300
people
were
there
and
it
was
very
thorough
and
it
documented
very
clearly
where
we
have
canopy
loss
and
where
we
have
canopy
growth
and
it
also
presented-
and
that
was
with
asheville
greenworks,
an
excellent
job
of
presenting
models
of
how
cities
have
regrown
their
tree
canopy
and
it's
true.
A
It's
often
done
through
partnerships
and
some
prime
locations
for
tree
planting
our
school
grounds.
You
know
places
like
that
that
are
kind
of
easy
to
access
and
easy
to
partner
with.
A
So
you
know
we
don't
have
to
reinvent
the
wheel
here,
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
models
to
look
at,
but
the
good
news
is
we've
finally
redone
our
tree
ordinance
and
it's
a
lot
stronger
than
it
ever
used
to
be
and
it
and
it
should
be,
bringing
in
some
significant
sums
of
money
to
work
with.
We
have
had
a
request
for
an
urban
forester.
A
I
think
gwen
can
remind
me
on
shanika
too,
over
the
last
several
years,
maybe
two
or
three
years,
because
the
request
for
an
urban
forester,
I
think,
was
included
in
one
of
the
plans
that
came
out
of
the
tree
commission,
and
so
this
this
is
probably
the
third
year.
I've
heard
a
renewal
of
the
request
for
this
funding
for
this
position
and
staff
has
maintained
that
they
feel
that
the
the
duties
of
this
position
can
be
fulfilled
by
existing
staff.
A
F
F
All
right
we
can
move
to
the
next
one
next
area.
We
want
to
talk
briefly
about
was
investments
in
economic
development,
and
we've
mentioned
this
in
a
previous
work
session
kind
of
like
the
luigi
program
works
in
which
we
enter
into
agreements
that
we
pay
out
over
a
number
of
years.
We
also
do
that
with
some
economic
development
incentive
agreements
and
based
on
the
schedule,
that's
already
been
approved,
we're
going
to
see
a
380
000
increase
in
our
commitments
for
that
funding
next
year.
F
That's
primarily
related
to
our
agreement,
with
landmark
that
that
ramp,
just
that
commitment,
is
ramping
up
next
year.
We
also
want
to
highlight
the
ongoing
investments
that
we're
making
in
the
community
and
economic
development
related
to
the
actual
business
inclusion
office
and
we're
going
to
reallocate
some
funding
that
was
in
that
budget
for
contracted
services
in
order
to
us,
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
fund
a
new
position
in-house
to
work
with
that
program,
next
slide.
F
So,
over
the
next
few
slides,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
investments
in
our
employees
and
workforce
that
are
part
of
the
the
draft
recommended
budget
that
we're
sharing
with
you
all
today.
The
first
of
those
is
is
the
investment
in
implementing
the
archer
compensation
study.
F
At
the
the
march
9th
work
session,
peggy
wrote
our
assistant
to
the
city
manager,
went
through
the
archer
compensat
compensation
study,
recommendation,
recommendations
and
highlighted
the
costs
of
implementing
that
that
program,
and
so
what
we're
recommending
in
the
budget
is
the
full
implementation.
F
I
think
the
number
we
shared
with
you
all
back
in
march
was
about
7.8
million
after
we
refined
our
estimates
a
little
bit.
It's
pretty
close,
it's
actually
a
little
bit
higher
at
7.9
million,
but
what
that
investment
next
year
will
allow
us
to
do
is
to
fully
fund
the
employees
that
are
on
the
public
safety
pay
plan.
F
It
will
fully
fund
the
archer
recommendations
and
it
will
also
bring
employees
who
are
not
on
the
public
safety
plan,
all
the
other
employees
in
the
organization,
either
up
to
the
the
new
minimum
of
their
pay
grade
or
give
them
a
two
and
a
half
percent
pay
increase.
Whichever
is
greater,
I
mean
I'll
have
some
more
information,
some
more
detailed
numbers
on
that
in
the
next
few
slides.
F
We
also
want
to
highlight
again
because
it
is
a
large
cost
and
one
of
the
things
I
think
taylor
mentioned
this-
that
we
did
to
help
balance.
This
year's
budget
was
to
hold
some
positions
vacant
for
half
a
year.
We
are
recommending
fully
funding
those
positions
next
year.
So
that's
a
budget
addition
and
then
finally,
the
increase
to
the
local
government
retirement
system,
and
we
talked
about
that
in
prior
work
sessions
as
well.
It's
about
a
700
000
overall
increase.
F
I
think
this
is
the
third
year
in
a
row
that
we've
had
to
put
more
money
into
the
local
government
retirement
system
and
we
anticipate
that
increa
or
that
continuing
over
the
next
several
years.
Based
on
the
projections
that
we've
seen
from
the
state.
H
Okay,
tony
two
things,
so
the
1.1
is
literally
everybody
gets
hired
july
1
and
they
work
for
a
whole
year
when
we've
got
how
many
open
positions,
non-police,
open
positions.
F
No,
no,
we
don't
one,
and
I
think
one
thing
we
want
to
point
out
is
we
do
as
a
part
of
the
budget
every
year
assume
a
certain
level
of
vacancy
savings.
So
the
budget
week
that
we
bring
to
you
all
in
two
weeks
will
not
be
a
budget
that
budgets
100
of
every
employee
for
the
entire
year
we've
been
over
the
last
few
years,
assuming
a
1.5
vacancy
rate,
and
that
is
that
has
worked
well
for
us.
F
We
do
fully
budget
fire
department
positions
because
we
found
that,
even
when
they
have
turnover
there
with
they're
out
of
class
pay
and
their
overtime,
that
we
need
to
fully
fund
those
department
or
that
department.
But
no,
we
won't
be
fully
funding.
You
know
in
any
of
the
general
fund
departments,
except
for
fire,
and
I
think
a
couple
of
the
smaller
departments.
Okay,.
H
Okay
and
then
the
1.2
I
assume,
is
based
on
salaries.
So
is
that,
based
on
the
is
that
is
that
700,
assuming
that
the
raises
are
going
to
be
in
effect
or
not,
and
what's
the
difference.
F
It
it
is,
and-
and
it
would
be
if
the
raises
did
not
go
into
effect-
your
right
would
slightly
would
be
slightly
less.
D
So
that
that
is
in
line
with
some
of
my
other
questions,
thank
you,
gwen.
One
of
the
questions
I
have
is
about
this
2.5
pay
increase.
It
reads
to
me
in
this
report
that
it's
across
the
board
would
this
also
include
market
rate
positions
or
positions
that
are
already
at
the
market.
D
Okay,
because
I
still
continue
to
have
the
concern
that
if
we
keep
doing
an
across
the
board,
pay
increase
we'll
end
up
in
the
very
near
future,
back
at
continuing
the
wealth
gap
in
our
own
city
hall
and
then
we'll
still
have
people
that
aren't
able
to
afford
to
live
and
work
here.
So
I'm
curious
if
we
could
have
some
information
before
our
next
meeting
about
the
positions
that
are
already
at
market
rate
and
what
the
difference
is
in
the
7.9
million.
F
Yeah,
we
can
certainly
provide
that
we
don't
have
that
exact
information,
but
I
do
have
some
some
more
detail
on
a
couple
of
slides.
I
think
that
might
help
answer
that
question
so
I'll
I'll
make
sure
that
we
stop
there
and
go
through
those
those
numbers,
but
we
can
definitely
provide
that
customer
return.
E
Yeah,
just
real
quick
to
say
you
know
when
we
started
this,
we
heard
about
the
employee
engagement
process
and
their
desire
for
more
tools
and
stuff,
and
just
from
my
experience
of
working
closely
with
the
city
for
so
many
years,
I
know
we
probably
need
more
staff
in
general
and
I
just
kind
of
want
to
take
a
minute
to
say
I
am
I've
been
really
floored
and
impressed
by
the
non-stop
response,
the
city
level
from
covid
on
I
mean
no
one
stopped
everyone's
been
frontline
workers.
E
It's
been
an
incredible
thing
and
I
feel
like
there's
a
lot
going
on
and
if
anything,
we
I'm
hoping
we
at
some
point
start
to
talk
about
needing
some
additional
positions
to
help
support.
I
know
there's
probably
been
requests
or,
and
I'm
sure
you're
handling
that
deborah,
but
just
to
kind
of
acknowledge
that
you
know
we
are.
We
have
a
hard
working
staff.
I
know
many
that
take
calls
at
night
and
weekends.
E
B
Ms
turner,
absolutely
absolutely.
I
appreciate
you
all
acknowledging
of
the
hard
work
of
our
city
staff
because
they
do
they
work
awfully
hard,
and
this
has
been
a
tough
year.
2020
was
a
tough
year,
but
what
would
help
us
most
is
filling
the
positions
that
we
already
have
and
if
we,
if
we
can
make
progress
on
filling
those
positions,
I
think
that
will
help.
B
But
I
will,
I
will
totally
admit
we
are
understaffed,
but
certainly
if
we
could
unfreeze
so
to
speak,
the
positions
that
we
held
vacant
for
the
majority
of
last
year.
That
would
be
a
tremendous
help
and-
and
I
can
assure
you
that
the
majority
of
our
department
heads-
I
know-
miss
whistler-
you
talked
about-
will
we
be
able
to
hire
all
of
those
staff
people?
B
But
I
tell
you,
I
think
they've
got
their
job
descriptions
and
they're
ready
to
post
as
soon
as
we
give
them
the
okay,
I
think
they're
ready
to
roll.
Thank
you.
F
Okay,
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
then
so
some
other
new
investments
we
want
to
highlight-
and
we
don't
have
dollar
figures
associated
with
these,
because
these
are
really
minimal
costs
to
the
budget.
But
they
are
important
key
investments
that
we
wanted
to
highlight
for
our
employees
in
our
workforce.
F
F
We're
also
going
to
be
adding
eight
weeks
of
paid
parental
leave
and
six
weeks
of
paid
leave
to
care
for
a
qualified
family
member,
with
a
with
a
serious
health
condition
and
again
those
will
have
some
minor
dollar
impacts,
but
but
not
significant
dollar
impacts,
our
dollar
impacts
to
the
budget
and
then
one
finally,
one
ongoing
investment
that
we
we
wanted
to
highlight
and-
and
I
think
it's
something
we're
proud
of-
is
the
fact
that
we're
now
going
we'll
be
going
into
the
fourth
consecutive
year,
where
we've
been
able
to
hold
not
only
employee
contributions
but
also
employer
contributions
to
the
healthcare
fund
at
the
same
level
and
I've
been
doing
budgets
for
a
long
time-
and
I
don't
remember
ever
there
being
a
stretch
of
this
many
years
in
a
row
where
we
were
able
to
keep
those
contributions
flat
and
a
lot
of
that
relates
to
our
claims
trend
data,
but
also
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
internally
with
our
wellness
program
to
maintain
the
health
of
our
employees.
F
So,
as
I
mentioned,
I
wanted
to
go
through
some
of
the
numbers
associated
with
with
this,
because
it
is
a
large
cost
for
the
to
implement
the
the
compensation
study
and,
as
we
mentioned,
the
total
cost
of
it
is
about
7.9
million.
F
We've
got
it
broken
down
into
the
three
categories
that
I
mentioned
on
the
previous
slide,
the
first
of
which
is
bringing
folks
up
to
the
minimum
or
two
and
a
half
percent
increase.
That's
about
a
three
and
a
half
million
dollar
cost
the
cost
to
make
the
adjustment
on
the
police
pay
plan
is
about
1.6
and
for
fire
it's
about
2.7,
so
in
the
general
fund
the
total
cost
is
is
about
6.7,
so
the
general
fund
does
bear
the
the
bulk
of
the
cost
for
this
compensation
implementation.
A
H
I
think
we
just
need
to
remind
the
public
that
people
didn't
get
any
raises
last
year,
so
you
know
what
you're
trying
to
do
with
the
2.5
is
to
basically
cover
two
years
of
cola,
so
I
mean
just
a
just
a
reminder
that
this
isn't
just
a
I'm
just
a
reminder
that
that's
that's
how
staff
has
dealt.
A
A
As
well
as
the
other
items
you
itemized
on
that
slide,
previously
training
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
that's.
F
Okay,
we
can
go
to
the
next
one
then
and
councilman
ronnie.
I
don't
think
this
probably
exactly
answers
your
question,
but
I
think
it
kind
of
gets
at
where
are
the
those
dollars
being
spent
from
the
7.9
million?
So
what
we
tried
to
show
on
this
slide
is
again
that
middle
column.
There
breaks
out
the
7.9
million
into
the
salary
categories
on
on
the
left
and
so,
for
example,
the
two
of
the
employees
who
currently
make
somewhere
between
30
and
40
000
dollars.
F
F
So
if
you
do
some
math
and
you
add
up
the
categories
all
below
sixty
thousand
dollars,
approximately
six
point,
nine
of
the
seven
point,
nine
or
eighty
seven
percent
of
the
investment
is
going
to
employees
who
make
below
sixty
thousand
currently
make
below
sixty
thousand
dollars
in
the
organization.
F
So
I'll
take
a
moment
and
pause
there
and
see.
If
there's
any
questions
about
this
data.
F
Okay,
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
then,
okay,
so
we've
we've
shared
a
lot
of
information
with
you
all.
I
talked
a
lot
about
the
new
investments.
We've
talked
about
some
of
the
continuing
investments
that
we're
making
within
the
existing
base
budget,
but
to
kind
of
bring
it
all
together
on
this
slide,
and
we
showed
you
all
that
I
think
a
similar
slide
at
the
last
work
section.
F
So
if
you
add
up
the
the
numbers
on
the
left,
the
the
new
investments
that
are
that
are
not
currently
part
of
the
base
budget.
Those
total
out
to
about
9.9
million
on
the
right
is
some
available
resources
to
cover
some
of
those
costs.
F
There
is
some
capacity
within
the
existing
base
budget.
That's
about
1.3
million
we're
going
to
utilize,
as
we
said,
about
1.3
million
from
fund
balance
for
the
reparations
and
neighborhood
grant
programs
and
then,
as
the
mayor
just
alluded,
to
we're,
going
to
use
some
savings
from
apd
to
cover
some
of
the
needs
as
well.
So
when
you
add
all
it
up,
we
end
up
with
a
difference
between
revenues
and
expenses
of
about
5.7
million
dollars.
F
In
order
to
be
able
to
do
all
the
investments
that
we've
highlighted
on
the
past
few
slides,
so
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
F
I'm
going
to
transition
here
from
this
is
kind
of
the
final
piece
before
we
turn
it
over
to
you
all
for
some
discussion
transition
from
the
talking
about
expenses
to
talking
about
revenues,
and
as
we
go
through
the
next
few
slides,
we
want
to
emphasize
that
the
plan
that
we're
that
we're
attentively
recommending
we
believe
funds
the
new
investments
in
a
fiscally
responsible
way
and
continues
the
organization's
tradition
of
strong
financial
management.
F
So
what
we're
recommending
our
draft
recommendations
on
the
revenue
side
of
the
budget
in
the
general
fund
in
order
to
be
able
to
fund
the
items
that
we've
outlined,
it
would
require
a
tax
rate.
That's
three
cents
above
revenue,
neutral
and
I'll
walk
you
all
through
that
in
a
moment
and
show
you
all
the
numbers
we.
F
We
went
through
the
revenue
neutral
calculation
at
the
last
work
session
and
I
think
you
all
saw
that
the
revenue
neutral
rate
was
going
to
be
about
38.3
cents
down
from
our
current
tax
rate
of
42.89,
and
so
I'll
show
you
on
a
few
slides
what
three
cents
above
revenue
neutral
would
look
like.
F
Folks
continue
to
struggle
with
economically
because
of
the
pandemic,
so
we
are
looking
to
minimize
fee
increases
next
year,
while
maintaining
our
services,
you
all,
will
be
considering
tonight
the
water
rate
increase,
which
would
raise
monthly
rates
slightly
for
the
typical
homeowner,
but
those
rates
would
still
be
below
what
folks
were
paying
back
in
fy
20
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we're
not
recommending
at
this
point
any
increases
in
solid
waste
or
stormwater
fees.
F
As
we
mentioned
earlier
in
the
presentation,
we
are
looking
at
strategic
uses
of
our
available
fund
balance
for
one-time
investments.
Luckily,
this
fiscal
year
we
our
budget,
has
performed
better
than
we
expected.
So
we
do
think
there's
going
to
be
some
dollars
available
on
fund
balance
that
we
can
utilize
without
bringing
us
below
our
target
policy
of
15
and
then
continue
planning
for
the
investment
of
the
ar
pr
funding.
The
american
rescue
plan
funding.
F
Next
slide,
please
so
on
the
tax
rate-
and
I
won't
go
through
this.
But
this
is
the
calculation
that
we
showed
you
all
the
last
work
session,
where
we
statutorily
require
by
by
the
state
to
do
this
calculation
to
show
folks
what
the
revenue
neutral
tax
rate
would
be
and
for
us,
like
I
mentioned
it,
would
be
38.3
cents
next
year.
F
F
So
if
you
do
do
the
math
and
multiply
1.9
million
by
by
three
pennies,
that
gives
you
the
5.7
million
that
we
would
need
to
to
fund
those
investments
and
again
that
results
in
a
tax
rate
recommend
or
draft
tax
rate
recommendation
of
41.3
cents.
F
So
we
go
to
the
next
slide.
So
how
does
that
impact
folks
in
the
community?
F
So
we
reached
out
to
the
county
tax
office
after
our
last
work
session,
to
see
what
the
the
changes
were
in
the
median
assessed
value
for
single
family
homes
in
asheville
so,
prior
to
the
revaluation,
the
median
assessed
value
in
nashville
was
232
100
after
revaluation,
it's
294
500,
so
that
was
an
increase
of
of
27
percent
for
the
median
homeowner
under
our
current
assessed
value
and
tax
rate
that
that
homeowner
pays
995
dollars
annually
in
city
taxes.
F
Under
the
proposal
of
three
cent
tax
rate,
three
cents
above
revenue
neutral
that
that
same
homeowner
would
see
their
tax
bill
next
year,
be
one
thousand
two
hundred
and
fifteen
dollars
and
we've
broken
down
there
in
the
the
far
right
column.
F
What
that
looks
like
not
only
on
an
annual
basis,
but
also
a
monthly
basis,
because,
as
you
all
probably
know,
a
lot
of
homeowners
pay
their
their
property
taxes
through
their
escrow
statement
as
a
part
of
their
their
mortgage
payment
each
month,
and
so
they're
really
going
to
see
the
impact
be
on
a
monthly
basis
and
how
much
their
payment
goes
up.
First,
it
being
versus
it
being
on
an
annual
basis.
F
G
Yes,
what
I
was
looking
at
tony
on
these
assessed
values
on
these
properties
and
what
the
actual
property
taxes
that
we
receive.
It's
sort
of
a
big
difference
in
this
assessed
value
and
the
amount
of
the
tax
bill.
So
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
is
causing
that
difference
in
what
we're
actually
receiving.
And
what
I
see
here.
A
G
People
looking
at
this,
if
they're,
looking
at
the
same
slides
of
course
they're
going
to
be
concerned
too,
because
we
all
receive
these
tax
bills.
So
that's
the
reason
I
was
so
basically
if
he
could
just
sort
of
elaborate
on
that
to
let
people
know
that
this
bill
is
not
what
they're
getting
it
because
of
the
additional
cost.
That
would
be
helpful.
Okay,.
B
This
is
this
just
the
city's
portion
of
the
the
county
tax
rate,
which,
as
the
mayor
has
said,
includes
something
related
to
schools,
as
well
as
the
county.
Right
now,.
G
F
Yeah,
absolutely
and
and
c
majors
right,
the
the
the
numbers
on
this
page
represent
just
the
city,
only
portion
of
of
the
bill
that
homeowners
would
get
from
the
county.
As
you
all
know,
the
county's
going
through
its
budget
process
right
now
as
well
and
and
looking
at
what
their
tax
rate
is
going
to
be
for
the
upcoming
year.
They
put
out
some
information,
I
think,
a
few
weeks
ago
about
a
potential
tax
rate
above
revenue
neutral
for
them
as
well.
F
As
for
the
school
rate,
I
think
it's
about
65
percent
of
city
residents
live
within
the
asheville
city,
schools
district
and
also
pay
that
that
rate
as
well-
and
I
don't
know
I
haven't-
heard
anything
from
from
them
yet
about
their
intentions
as
far
as
as
far
as
just
setting
a
revenue,
neutral,
tax
rate.
E
Even
have
a
question
I
was
just
going
to
echo.
I
think
what
sandra
is
getting
at
is
having
a
slide
for
the
public
that
shows
the
county,
the
school
and
the
cities
portion.
The
I
did
see
a
report.
The
county
was
looking
at
raising
10
million
dollars
and
adding
some
pennies,
but
you
know
to
her
point.
You
know
the
collective
impact
when
the
county
makes
their
changes
and
we
make
ours.
A
H
I
mean
yeah,
that's
absolutely
right
and
I
mean
until
I
mean
I
maybe
maybe
we
can
put
a
note
on
this
slide.
Basically
saying
you
know,
please
note
it
does
not
include
county
and
and
fire
districts
and
everything,
but
I'm
a
little
hesitant
to
start
publishing
other.
You
know
the
counties
and
the
schools
taxes,
since
we
don't
control
it
and
frankly
it
hasn't
been
voted
on
yet,
as
far
as
I
know
so,
maybe
just
like
a
cautionary.
G
B
We'd
be
more
than
happy
to
modify
this
slide,
particularly
as
we
go
into
the
actual
recommendations
on
the
25th.
Okay,
absolutely.
A
A
So
if
you're
below
a
certain
income
threshold,
you
might
qualify
for
a
reduced
amount
in
your
property
tax
rate
right
now.
The
state
of
north
carolina
has
a
program
for
elderly
who
are
income
restricted,
but
there's
not
a
program
for
for
folks
of
all
ages
who
might
qualify
based
on
income
and
it'd,
be
nice.
A
If
we
could
look
at
the
programs
they're
using
in
charlotte
and
durham
and
see
if
we
can
model
that
you
know
always
when
we
raise
property
taxes,
it
is
a
concern
for
folks
that
live
here
and
own
homes
here
are
trying
to.
You
know
trying
to
be
able
to
stay,
and
we
don't.
You
know
we
don't
want
property
tax
increases
to
result
in
folks
having
to
move,
sell
their
home.
That
would
not
be
a
good,
a
good
outcome,
and
you
know
I
think,
whenever
we
have
this
discussion,
it's
just.
A
We
do
get
some
sales
tax,
but
we
don't
have
control
over
how
much
sales
tax
we
get
that
is
set
by
the
state
and
unless
we
had
a
referendum
county-wide,
we
can't
change
that
so
and
we
don't
get
the
room
tax
and
we
don't
have
a
food
and
beverage
tax
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
so
we've
got
limited
tools
in
the
revenue
tool
box
that
we're
working
with
here.
K
Be
well
what
would
be
helpful
for
me
is
in
addition
to
these
particular
median
assessed
values
when
we
were
discussing
how
their
additional
taxes
for
those
living
within
the
city
school
system.
I
suspect
that
the
value
of
those
homes
might
actually
be
above,
what's
listed
here,
so
I'd
be
interested
to
know
the
impact
on
homes
that
are
assessed
higher,
maybe
instead
of
294
354
five
just
curious
to
see
what
the
difference
would
be.
D
And
following
up
on
what
esther
was
saying,
because
I
have
been
looking
at
that
homesteader
clause
or
act
or,
however,
that
works
and
it
being
not
just
for
folks
over
65
but
also
differently,
abled
and
underneath
31.5,
is
some
of
what
the
number
I've
been
looking
at.
D
So
if
there
is
a
way
for
us
to
get
creative
with
not
exasperating
gentrification,
because
we
have
talked
in
this
organization
with
the
city
of
asheville,
about
reparations
to
address
the
harm
of
urban
renewal
and
redlining,
and
if
we
just
raise
people's
property
taxes
to
do
these
things,
I
think
it
is
potentially
going
to
cause
more
harm.
Even
though
we'd
see
a
lot
of
what
investment
long-term
safety
strategies
looks
like
here.
D
Housing
youth
support,
neighborhood
investments,
evening,
transit
hours,
finally,
additional
service
to
south
asheville
to
make
it
more
accessible
and
reliable
and
starting
this
reparations
fund.
But
if
we
don't
talk
about
the
truth
and
reconciliation
part,
then
we're
leaving
out
the
intergenerational
leadership
that
reminded
us
last
year
that
the
divestment
should
go
hand
in
hand
with
the
investment.
D
What
are
the
open
positions
that
we
did
not
freeze
last
year
and
will
we
really
truly
be
able
to
fill
all
of
those,
and,
if
not,
then,
is
that
really
the
most
fiscally
responsible
thing
for
us
to
be
doing
to
be
budgeting
these
investment
strategies
on
the
most
vulnerable,
our
community?
So
I
still
need
information
about
all
of
the
open
positions,
not
just
the
ones
that
were
frozen,
but
the
ones
that
were
not.
F
There's
another
question
I
think
we're
actually
the
next
slide
is
is
where
we
pause
for
four
discussions.
So
I'll
open
it
up
to
you
all
see.
If
you
have
any
other
questions
or
comments,
and
then
we
can,
we
do
have
a
few
slides
to
wrap
up
after
that.
E
Kim
this
question
is
back.
Are
you
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understood
your
intent
there?
Are
you
saying
that,
based
on
this
idea
that
we
may
not
be
able
to
fill
all
those
positions
right
away,
that
we
may
be
able
to
have
a
strike,
a
lower
number
and
raise
taxes
a
little
less.
B
H
Miss
whistler,
thank
you.
You
know.
I
know
that.
I
know
that
briefly,
I
don't
know
you
know
there
was
some
discussion
about
implementing
the
compensation
adjustment
incrementally.
I
am
not
supportive
of
that.
You
know
part
of
my
and,
and
one
of
my
big
reasons
why
I
think
we
just
need
to
fight
the
bullet
is
if
we
don't
fight
the
bullet
this
year,
we're
just
going
to
bite
the
bullet
next
year
and
everything
I
read
says:
wages
are
going
up
and
so
and
we're
competing
in
the
same
environment
as
everyone
else.
H
So
you
know,
I
think
we,
even
though
it's
a
it's
a
big
nut
and
and
if
anyone
knows
anything
about
me,
they
know
that
I'm
fiscally
responsible,
but
I
just
think
we
gotta,
we
gotta
swallow
this
one.
You
know
it's
it's
a
way
to
it's
a
way
to
thank
our
employees.
H
I
think
it's
going
to
make
the
the
city
more
efficient,
and
so
so
at
a
minimum.
I'm
definitely
supportive
of
the
compensation
piece
of
this
of
this
budget,
which
is
you
know,
obviously
the
biggest
chunk.
I
mean
you
know
if
you
take
everything
else
out
and
I
think
my
calculation
would
say
you
might
save
a
nicola.
I
mean
a
penny
of
the
of
the
increase
in
in,
and
so
I
just
don't
want
to
step
away
from
the
compensation
investment.
B
Thank
you,
miss
whistler,
miss
turner.
E
Deborah
is
by
chance,
could
you
speak
to
a
little?
I
know
we
lost
some
really
great
employees
in
last
year
and
kovitz
had
all
his
reasons,
but
are
we
losing
folks
from
burnout
and
extreme
I
mean,
is
this?
Do
you
think
this
will
help
with
any
of.
B
I
that
that
we're
going
to
just
say
a
personal
experience
when
I
was
interviewing
for
this
position.
B
It
was
implemented
for
some
wasn't
implemented
for
others
and
it
created
such
a
huge
morale
issue,
and
so
this
has
been
on
our
agenda.
The
city
manager's
agenda
to
city
manager's
office
agenda
to
number
one
see
if
we
could
understand
better
what
the
the
difference
in
the
market
rate-
and
I
think
when
peggy
presented
the
information
about
the
study.
B
We
just
have
not
kept
pace,
we
just
haven't
and
we
are
losing.
We
are
losing
really
good,
talented
people,
we're
not
losing
them
to.
You
know
which
barbara
left
and
many
others
have
left
they're
going
out
of
town,
but
they're
going
to
the
county
too.
E
B
The
county
manager
and
I
have
have
a
little
debate.
A
lot
in
terms
of
you
know
just
our
ability
to
retain
talent.
You
know,
and
it's
it's
a
friendly
competition.
I
will
assure
you-
and
we
always
talk,
there's
nothing
you
know
vicious
about,
but
I
I
try
to
recruit
our
staff
as
well.
B
F
B
We
just
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have,
from
a
staff
perspective
organizational
perspective.
The
tools
that
will
retain
now
pay
is
not
the
only
reason
that
people
work
for
the
city
of
asheville.
It
isn't,
but
it
sure
helps
it,
helps
to
maintain
them
and
retain
them,
and
certainly
the
best
and
the
brightest,
because
they
can
easily
be
rude
away
from
us
and.
E
D
Can
we
go
back
to
the
slide
that
showed
the
tax
example?
Thank
you.
So
I've
been
in
this
situation
before,
and
I
know
that
for
a
lot
of
people,
18
and
33
cents
is
just
one
example.
It
doesn't
seem
like
a
lot
unless
you've
had
trouble
finding
18
in
your
pocket
or
the
couch
cushions,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
people
in
our
community
struggling.
D
So
I
just,
I
think
we
need
to
like
be
aware
of
the
fact
that
so
many
of
our
people,
our
in
our
neighbors
and
our
our
elders
and
our
students,
are
not
able
to
make
ends
meet.
So
this
won't
just
impact
homeowners.
It's
going
to
impact
renters,
it's
going
to
impact
business
owners,
commercial
property
owners,
business
renters
like
this.
This
will
have
a
ripple
effect
on
who
is
able
to
stay
here.
So
I
think
we
need
more
community
partnerships.
D
B
And
we
totally
agree
with
you:
miss
miss
ronnie,
but
and
that's
why?
I'm
so
glad
that
the
mayor
kind
of
reminded
us
that
you
know
there
are
some
examples
of
some
other
communities
that
are
trying
to
mitigate
the
impact
of
these
tax
increases,
especially
after
a
re
a
re-evaluation.
B
So
I
think
that
it's
it's
timely.
We
also
try
to
do
our
best
to
respond
to
the
community
needs
and
balance
them
with
our
sources
of
revenue.
As
the
mayor
said
earlier,
we
are
just
so
limited
in
terms
of
other
sources
of
revenue
that
the
property
tax
is
our
major
source.
B
So
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
definitely
is
the
need
for
additional
information
and
also
to
do
a
little
bit
more
research
on
the
other
communities
that
have
programs
that
help
either
do
abatement
tax,
deferments
link
them
to
age
income,
disabilities,
whatever
our
abilities,
whatever
ways
that
we
can
try
to
mitigate
this
impact
and
to
make
sure
that
we
present
this
as
the
city
honorable
portion,
miss
whistler,.
H
Hey
deborah,
I
mean
I
I
think
I
asked
for
this
before
and
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
we
did
it
or
I
missed
it
in
my
email,
but
the
finance
committee
did
last
sometime
some
like
within
a
year.
H
Okay,
if
we
could,
because
I'm
not
sure
the
whole
city
council
saw
that
if,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
tony
or
somebody
sending
that
out
to
city
council,
so
that
so
that
you
can
see,
because
I
don't,
as
far
as
I
know,
brad
or
tony,
there
hasn't
been
any
new
programs
that
have
been
allowed
under
north
carolina
law
in
the
past
year.
So
that
information
has
been
gathered.
F
H
H
And
out.
F
We
have
done
a
little
bit
of
follow-up
research
since
the
last
work
session
and
and
the
only
other
county.
That's
that's
attempted
to
do
anything
that
we're
aware
of
is
durham
county
and
they
ended
up
recommending
a
tax
deferral
program
which
was
fairly
complicated.
Their
city,
their
county
attorney's
office,
did
not
think
they
could
implement
a
simple,
simply
a
rebate,
a
tax
rebate
program,
and
so
they
went
with
a
deferral
option
which
only
it's,
as
the
name
implies.
It
only
defers
the
taxes
over
a
period
of
time.
F
So
if
the
home
effort
is
sold
or
after
a
certain
point,
which
I
think
of
10
years,
that
those
taxes
would
be
due-
and
it's
my
understanding
from
folks
down
in
durham
that
that
so
far
at
least
there
haven't
been
a
whole
lot
of
people
that
have
signed
up
for
that
program.
But
but
yeah.
E
Councilwoman
mosley
did
I'm
not
sure
I
thought
I
saw
on
your
agenda.
I
haven't
watched.
The
recent
ahack
meeting.
Did
y'all
talk
about
a
luigi
rebate
on
a
personal
level
or
a
property
tax
rebate
for
an
individual.
K
Not
to
any
great
extent,
okay.
F
And
we've
only
got,
I
think,
maybe
two
slides
left
and
one
is
a
reiteration
of
the
key
takeaways.
But
I
want
to
stop
on
this
one
just
quickly
so
kind
of
a
reminder
where
we're
at
so
after
the
work
session
today
at
your
regular
meeting
tonight,
taylor
and
I
will
be
back
to
talk
about
the
fee
changes.
Those
fee
changes
were
presented
to
the
finance
committee
last
month
and
they
did
a
approve
forwarding
those
recommendations
to
you
all
tonight.
F
So
we'll
review
those
here
in
a
few
hours
and
then
really
between
now
and
next
friday.
It
really
is
about
a
week
and
a
half
that
budget
staff
has
to
finalize
the
manager's
proposed
budget
and
so
we're
kind
of
down
to
our
crunch
period.
Now,
where
we
really
have
to
take
the
numbers
put
them
into
the
document,
put
them
into
our
financial
system,
complete
the
budget
document
and
get
that
out
the
door
so
that
you
all
have
that
before
you
by
the
by
the
may
25th
manager's
presentation.
F
But
one
thing
I
want
to
emphasize
is
you
know:
that's
not
the
end
of
the
conversation
on
the
regular
budget,
specifically
because,
even
after
we
present
the
manager's
budget
on
may
25th,
you
all
will
still
have
four
weeks
to
deliberate
on
the
information
that
we
present
to.
F
That
you
get
on
the
public
hearing
on
june
8th
then
make
changes
any
changes
that
you
might
want
before
we
adopt
the
final
budget
on
june
22nd.
So
so
we
don't
have
to
make
all
the
decisions
here
in
the
next.
You
know
few
days
or
so
we
have
time
to
make
additional
changes
after
may
25th.
F
So
then
next
slide.
So
this
is
our
last
slide
again
just
a
kind
of
remind
of
the
key
takeaways
that
the
recommendations
that
we've
talked
to
you
all
about
here
today
and
throughout
all
the
work
sessions,
this
spring
really
been
based
on
the
internal
work,
the
community
input
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
internally
in
gathering
information
from
the
community
hearing
you
all's
priorities
and,
as
we
mentioned,
continuing
to
take
in
information
and
continue
the
reimagining
public
safety
process
as
well.
F
We
want
to
emphasize
again
that
you
know
some
of
the
initiatives
initiatives
that
we've
been
talking
about
with
you
all
over
the
last
few
months
will
include
in
the
manager's
may
25th
budget,
but
as
many
as
we
can,
but
likely
some
of
them
simply
won't
be
finalized
by
by
then
the
911
consolidation,
some
of
the
the
community
paramedic
initiatives,
as
well
as
the
funding
and
the
plan
around
the
american
rescue
act.
Those
conversations
are
going
to
continue
well
past
may
25th
and
into
the
next
fiscal
year
most
likely.
F
F
F
F
D
F
So
it's
simply
the
the
the
case
that
you
know
we
we
try
and
you
know,
keep
as
much
flexibility
in
the
process
so
that
you
all
can
make
decisions
and
see
manager
can
make
decisions
near
the
end.
So
we
simply
don't
have
time
really
to
get
documents
printed
and
turned.
A
F
Think
there's,
I
think,
there's
a
requirement
that
it
has
to
be
available
in
the
city
clerk's
office,
but
I
think
we
found
that
that
was
that
last
year,
that
that
was
that
we
could
provide
electronic
copy,
and
that
was
all
that
was
needed.
I
don't
know
get
him
coal
with
this
on.
If
he
has
any
knows
anything
about
that.
I
Yeah
tony,
I
think
that's
correct.
The
law
requires
that
it
be
quote
unquote,
presented
to
council,
but
does
not
specify
the
form
and
it
has
to
be
available
in
the
clerk's
office,
but
there
again
is
not
specified
as
to
the
format
of
that.
So
I
believe
we've
gotten
the
okay
to
present
it
in
a
digital
form.
D
While
we're
talking
about
printing
things,
please
print
them
on
100,
post
consumer
recycled
paper,
I
order
it
it's
very
easy
to
get,
but
on
the
same
side
that
we
saw
storm
water
reaction
fund
like
in
case
something
terrible
happens,
we
also
were
talking
about
trees.
So
I
just
can't
overstate
that
if
we
get
in
front
of
a
situation
that
is
a
solution,
we
have
a
long-term
investment.
Hopefully
we
wouldn't
have
as
many
storm
water
issues
if
we
repaired
our
tree
canopy.
B
Okay
mayor,
I
think
that
okay,
that's
a
wrap.
A
Yeah,
okay,
folks,
you.
A
That
okay,
well,
we
are
going
to
be
right
back
here
at
five
o'clock
for
our
council
meeting
in
just
an
hour,
so
see
everyone
back
here.