►
From YouTube: City Council Meeting – October 12, 2021
Description
No description was provided for this meeting.
If this is YOUR meeting, an easy way to fix this is to add a description to your video, wherever mtngs.io found it (probably YouTube).
A
Good
evening
my
name
is
esther
manheimer,
I'm
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
asheville,
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
october
12th
city
council
meeting
for
tonight's
meeting.
All
council,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
for
those
of
you
out
there
today
with
us,
welcome
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
A
A
And
entering
the
code
5285,
we
are
also
broadcasting
live
on
the
city's
youtube
channel
for
public
comment.
We
ask
callers
to
sign
up
in
advance
to
join
the
live
speaker
queue.
We
will
only
be
taking
live
comments
from
those
who
signed
up
prior
to
tonight's
meeting.
Those
callers
have
been
provided
instructions
on
how
to
participate.
A
Each
caller
is
allotted
a
three
minute
window
to
speak
for
each
agenda
item.
We
will
hear
live
comments
for
up
to
one
hour
for
each
agenda
item
a
reminder
to
callers.
You
will
first
your
staff
and
form
council
that
you're
next
to
speak,
then
you'll
hear
an
automated
message,
letting
you
know
you're
unmuted
and
live
in
the
meeting.
A
You
may
begin
speaking
after
the
automated
message
to
best
ensure
staff
can
support
you
in
the
case
of
technical
difficulties,
we
ask
that
you
join
the
queue
no
later
than
the
beginning
of
the
agenda
item
before
the
agenda
item
on
which
you
have
signed
up
to
speak.
Additionally,
if
you
have
joined
the
speaker
queue
and
need
to
disconnect
before
your
time
to
speak,
please
hit
star
or
before
hanging
up.
You
can
then
call
back
in
using
the
same
directions.
I
just
shared
and
staff
will
enter
you
back
from
speaker
queue
of
your
agenda
item.
A
I
would
like
to
ask
all
those
participating
in
tonight's
public
comment
to
follow
council's
rules
of
decorum.
The
rules
include
the
following
speakers
are
only
allowed
to
speak
one
time
during
the
public
comment
period
for
each
agenda
item
a
person
may
speak
only
if
they
have
signed
up
to
speak
in
accordance
with
the
city's
procedures.
A
A
Speakers
should
not
expect
council
members
or
city
staff
to
comment
on
or
respond
to
the
speaker's
comments
during
their
three
minutes.
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
council
members
and
staff
leadership
council
staff.
As
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello.
Vice
mayor
smith,
hello,
councilwoman,
kilgore,.
A
C
A
Right,
thank
you
all
right
to
begin
our
agenda.
We
will
recite
the
pledge
of
allegiance
council
members.
If
you
could
join
me
in
the
pledge
of
allegiance,
I
pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag
of
the
united
states
of
america
and
to
the
republic
for
which
it
stands.
One
nation,
under
god,
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice
for
all.
A
A
During
our
meeting
on
september
28th
due
to
a
broadcasting
issue,
the
early
portion
of
the
meeting
was
not
streamed,
live
through
our
youtube
or
online
links.
Although
the
meeting
remained
available
via
our
telephone,
we
have
added
the
full
consent
agenda
from
that
meeting
to
tonight's
vote
in
order
to
ensure
full
transparency
in
the
city
council's
voting
process.
In
addition,
we
have
taken
steps
to
provide
new
safeguards
to
our
broadcasting
process
in
order
to
ensure
that
meetings
will
be
put
on
hold
during
any
future
potential
streaming
disruptions.
A
H
A
I
G
F
A
J
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
address
my
colleagues
here
in
the
public.
I
am
concerned
about
the
process
regarding
something
I
feel
like
should
have
been
on
our
agenda
in
recent
meetings,
which
I
have
requested
on
march.
9Th.
In
a
closed
session,
council
gave
unanimous
approval
to
move
forward
with
next
steps
acquiring
land
using
the
two
million
and
bond
funds
for
parks
from
the
staff
report
on
february,
22nd
quote
the
10-acre
property
located
at
2351
sweden
creek
road
is
owned
by
carolina
day
school
and
is
wooded
and
undeveloped
and
says
adjacent
to
carolina
day.
J
J
I
wrongly
assume
that
the
next
step
would
include
a
public-facing
agenda
item
such
as
a
consent
agenda,
so
the
public
could
review
the
information
and
council
would
have
a
public
vote.
We
need
to
maintain
and
build
trust
for
this
and
future
bond
programming,
and
it
surprises
me
we're
not
taking
an
opportunity
to
bring
this
decision
to
the
sunshine.
These
are
public
lands
acquired
through
and
to
be
maintained
with
public
dollars
and
should
have
been
on
a
public
agenda.
I'm
embarrassed
and
disappointed
they
were
not.
J
It
should
be
noted
that
we
have
purchased
land
outside
the
city
limits
from
a
private
school
that
will
be
annexed
and
maintained
with
public
tax
dollars
next
to
the
school.
It
is
about
one
mile
from
greenwood
park
adjacent
to
the
blue
ridge.
Parkway.
There
are
a
number
of
positives.
I
feel
they're
overshadowed
by
the
lack
of
a
transparent
process.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
A
F
A
I
thought
councilwoman
rony
was
asking
me
to
talk
about
process
regarding
the
sound.
F
A
We
do
not
have
this
item
on
our
agenda
tonight
to
discuss,
but
maybe
the
one
of
the
subcommittees
wants
to
hear
a
report
about
the
park
purchased
with
bond
dollars
approved
by
the
voters
back
in
2016,
which
specifically
included
a
park
space
in
south
asheville.
That
is
what
councilwoman
is
talking
about.
A
Maybe
planning
and
economic
development
would
like
to
discuss
that
just
hear
a
report
about
it
and
any
concerns
about
the
process
around
acquiring
the
park
space.
I'm
just
kicking
that
out.
There's
a
suggestion.
We
don't
have
to
make
that
determination.
Tonight,
okay,
we
have
two
presentations
on
our
agenda
tonight.
The
first
is
a
six
month
update
from
asheville
city
schools
foundation.
A
A
G
Can
hear
you
I
can
hear
you,
your
your
sound
is
a
little
hard
for
me
because
it's
breaking
up,
but
I
think
the
reasoning
it
for
well
brad.
Can
you
explain
why
it
wasn't
on
the
why
we
normally
would
have
voted
for
that
in
for
a
land
acquisition
and
done
that
and
why
we
didn't
do
that
for
this
property
just
so
we
can
talk
about
that
or
understand
that.
D
I'm
more
than
happy
to
do
that:
council,
member
whistler.
So,
typically
speaking
in
north
carolina,
our
open
meetings
laws
specifically
permits
city
councils
to
go
into
closed
session
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
One
of
those
reasons
is
for
city
councils
to
set
the
negotiating
position
for
the
purchase
of
real
estate.
That's
really
what
we're
talking
about
here,
because
it
was
the
city
potentially
purchasing
this
land
for
the
construction
and
development
of
a
park.
D
D
Now,
typically,
these
items
do
come
back
to
city
council
for
a
motion
of
some
type
within
the
open
session
generally,
because
a
budget
amendment
is
required
and
those
items
are
always
on
city
council
agendas.
However,
in
this
somewhat
unique
circumstance,
the
funds
were
already
located
within
the
budget
necessary
to
effectuate
this
property
purchase.
It
was
because
the
funds
were
gathered
through
the
bond
program
as
the
mayor
already
mentioned,
and
therefore
there
were
no
additional
requirements
for
city
council
to
give
approval
beyond
what
was
given
in
closed
session.
A
F
A
All
right,
I'm
gonna
unless
there's
any
other
anything
else
on
that
item,
I'm
gonna
kick
it
over
to
to
begin
presentations
and
they're
going
to
swap
out
my
laptop
while
we
do
that.
K
All
right,
that's
my
cue
good
evening,
mayor
mannheimer
vice
mayor
smith
and
esteem
city,
council
members.
My
name
is
dr
darius
stanley
and
I
come
as
the
asheville
city
schools
foundation
board
of
directors
chair.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
report
on
your
settlement
fund
donation
to
the
asheville
city,
schools,
foundation,
asheville
city
schools
foundation
asked
his
next
slide.
I'm
sorry,
I
meant
to
say
that
thank
you.
K
The
asheville
city
schools
foundation
is
using
the
settlement
funds
to
support
a
renewing
student
scholarship
for
black
graduates
of
asheville,
high
and
sosa,
pursuing
education
and
the
black
educator
excellence
cohort
a
group
of
10
current
black
acs
employees
pursuing
their
next
level
of
certification
or
degrees.
So
we
want
to
just
sort
of
thank
you
for
for
allowing
us
to
use
these
funds
in
this
way.
I'll
pass
it
over
to
dr
dickerson
and
next
slide.
B
Thank
you,
dr
stanley.
Good
evening,
city,
council
members.
My
name
is
mark
dickerson
assistant
superintendent,
for
human
resources
for
asheville
city
schools.
I
would
like
to
speak
to
some
of
the
specifics
around
the
black
educator
excellence
program
and
the
selection
of
the
participants
in
march
of
2021.
B
A
survey
was
sent
to
all
black
staff
in
the
district
to
gauge
their
interest
in
career
advancement
and
introduce
this
opportunity
to
possibly
receive
financial
assistance
towards
their
education
out
of
the
45
or
so
responses.
Only
three
or
four
staff
indicated
that
they
were
interested
in
becoming
a
classroom
teacher.
B
So
we
had
to
think
of
diversifying
the
cohort
based
on
different
concentrations.
We
had
around
15
people
interested
in
school
social
work
and
a
number
of
staff
wanting
to
pursue
school
counseling
long
term.
It
wouldn't
be
possible
to
hire
all
of
these
employees
for
these
particular
positions,
so
we
identified
staff
who
were
already
pursuing
degrees
and
or
needed
certification
in
the
related
field.
B
So
the
current
degrees
and
certifications
our
cohort
seeking
is
teaching
licensure
and
certification.
We
have
school
counseling,
we
have
school
social
work,
we
have
master's
in
school
administration
and
we
have
two
in
the
doctoral
program
for
educational
leadership.
The
selection
of
the
cohort
participants
was
a
district
decision.
B
We
are
providing
monthly
academic
support
sessions.
These
designated
sessions
will
provide
a
quiet
space
for
our
cohort
members
to
work
on
assignments
for
class
also,
if
they
need
extra
eyes
to
proofread
their
work,
we
will
provide
that
support
as
well.
These
saturday
sessions
will
be
from
9
to
2
p.m.
In
the
school
board
school
board
office,
and
we
just
had
our
first
one
this
past
saturday,
which
was
very
which
was
well
attended.
B
We
will
also
be
hosting
monthly
social
gatherings
through
asheville
city
schools
foundation,
with
a
commitment
to
support
black
wall
street
and
black-owned
businesses.
In
fact,
we
had
our
first
social
gathering
at
grind
abl
last
week.
B
L
L
We
at
the
foundation
we
fund
up
to
40
students
through
20,
unique
scholarships.
We
have
been
intentional
in
trying
to
provide
these
opportunities
with
our
student
scholarships
and
increasing
the
support
that
we
provide,
such
as
college
application,
support
interviewing
skills
and
emergency
assistance
fund
for
college
students.
So
out
of
one
of
those
unique
scholarships,
we
have
the
city
of
asheville
student
scholarship
and
which
you'll
see
in
the
next
slide.
L
Next
slide.
Our
winner
of
the
2021
city
of
asheville
scholarship
is
shayla
williams,
who
was
part
of
the
city
of
asheville
youth
leadership,
academy,
more
commonly
known
as
kayla,
where
she
completed
internship
with
national
parks
and
rec
in
2020.
L
jayla's
committed
to
becoming
an
educator
into
supporting
the
next
generation
of
students,
but
instead
of
just
reading
to
you
a
whole
bunch
of
things,
I
think
the
quote
is
the
most
and
the
profound
thing
about
especially
involving
that
scholarship.
So
not
only
does
the
scholarship
to
motivate
me,
but
you
do
as
well
to
provide
a
resource
to
enable
and
graduate
students
to
attend
college
is
generous
and
powerful.
L
Thank
you
for
believing
in
me
and
as
mentioned
as
an
alumni,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
believing
in
her
before
also
for
our
future
recipients
and
thank
you
for
investing
in
equitable
opportunities
for
asheville,
black
students
and
black
educators
on
the
next
slide.
Sorry.
A
H
H
Let's
just
say
what
you
are
doing
is
exactly
what
we
hoped
would
happen.
So
thank
you
and
a
special
shout
out
to
the
vice
mayor
and
councilwoman
whistler
for
coming
together,
three
of
us
and
deciding
what
to
do
with
this.
This
is
I'm
almost
getting
cheerful
about
it,
because
it's
absolutely
fantastic.
Thank
you.
A
I
know
I
want
to
thank
asheville
city
schools
foundation
just
for
over
the
last
several
years,
really
building
a
great
group
and
continuing
this
great
work,
and
thanks
to
all
of
you
for
your
hard
work
with
the
asheville
city
schools
foundation.
Very
much.
N
A
A
O
Thank
you
mayor
and
hello
again,
everyone
for
the
manager's
report,
as
you've
heard
from
the
mayor,
we're
going
to
provide
an
update
on
the
next
steps
related
to
the
city's
reparation
initiative.
You
may
recall
we
outlined
a
three-phase
process
phase.
One
was
the
information
and
truth-telling
speaker
series,
which
we
completed
this
past
june,
that
was
kind
of
the
formal
speaker
series
phase.
Two,
it's
a
formation
of
the
commission
which
we
are
about
to
launch.
This
is
where
the
real,
the
real
work
and
the
heavy
lifting
starts
we're
about
to
launch
the
selection
process.
O
We
will
provide
you
more
detailed
information
about
this
effort.
As
part
of
this
update
and
then
phase
three,
which
is
the
kind
of
fruit
of
the
labor
of
the
commission,
was
to
finalize
and
present
the
report
and
again
as
part
of
the
update,
we'll
provide
an
anticipated
schedule
for
the
commission
to
develop
short,
medium
and
long-term
recommendations
to
specifically
address
the
creation
of
generational
wealth
and
to
boost
economic
mobility
and
opportunity
in
the
black
community.
O
O
O
P
Thank
you
so
much
miss
campbell.
Madam
mayor
council
members.
It
is
indeed
a
pleasure
to
provide
this
project
update
to
you
this
evening.
I
will
share
information
on
the
five
topics
that
you
see
listed
here,
including
just
a
little
bit
about
equity
information
about
the
project
management
team.
The
phases
key
milestones
to
date,
as
well
as
the
appointment
process
that
we
have
been
working
on
next
slide.
P
We
have
worked
on
several
projects
in
the
region,
including
an
ncdot
project,
enhancing
the
capacity
of
minority
and
women
on
small
businesses
in
31
counties
in
the
western
part
of
the
state.
We
conducted
an
economic
leakage
study
for
the
new
economy
coalition
and
we
also
served
as
the
community
engagement
lead
on
the
city's
disparity
study.
Next
slide,
it's
really
important
to
describe
the
role
of
the
project
management,
support
team
and
want
to
emphasize
the
word
support.
P
We
are
also
establishing
a
research
infrastructure.
As
you
all
know,
there
are
multiple
topics,
multiple
impact
areas
that
the
commission
will
be
delving
into,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
have
robust
information
to
inform
their
recommendations,
and
so
we
will
be
assisting
in
helping
to
build
out
that
platform.
P
Our
team
will
be
providing
facilitation
support
to
assist
in
building
consistent
consensus.
We
also
want
to
formalize
resource
affiliations
within
the
community.
We
see
this
as
a
community
wide
effort
and
there
are
already
community-based
organizations
that
have
reached
out
to
us
that
would
love
to
be
a
part
of
this
project
to
support
the
efforts
of
the
commission
when
those
appointments
are
made.
P
Sharing
information
with
the
community
is
also
a
major
role.
We
believe
that
it's
important
to
educate
the
community
all
along
the
way,
as
the
commission
is
learning
more
about
reparations
and
the
strategies
that
they
may
want
to
recommend
as
a
part
of
their
work
and
then.
Lastly,
we
believe
that
it's
really
important
to
look
at
institutionalizing
the
knowledge
gain.
P
P
We
also
have
partnered
with
rti
a
research
nonprofit
who
has
worked
not
only
domestically
but
globally
in
all
of
these
different
areas
and
they've
done
a
lot
of
work
in
equity,
we'd
like
for
them
to
help
us
with
some
select
recommendations.
We
believe
that
it's
really
important
to
look
at
the
prospective
impact
that
a
select
number
of
recommendations
will
have
if
the
city
invests
in
those
recommendations
and
rti
will
be
assisting
in
that
effort.
Next
slide.
P
The
commission
will
be
delving
more
into
reparations
and
looking
at
answering
question
questions
such
as
who
should
be
eligible
for
the
reparation
recommendations
that
will
come
forward.
What
time
frame
will
they
want
to
look
at?
All
of
those
decisions
will
be
made
by
commission
members.
P
Activities.
4,
5
and
6,
of
course,
are
the
short,
medium
and
long
term
recommendations.
We
anticipate
having
short
term
recommendations,
hopefully
by
the
end
of
the
first
quarter
of
2022
and
concluding
with
long-term
recommendations
by
first
quarter
of
2023
or
beginning
of
second
quarter.
P
P
Just
a
few
of
the
milestones
to
date,
it's
already
been
noted
that
the
contract
was
awarded
to
tequity
on
september
14th.
P
P
We've
also
had
several
meetings
with
folks
within
the
city
just
going
over
some
of
the
resources
that
are
available
having
all
types
of
conversations
around
how
this
project
will
be
supported
and
just
thrilled
at
the
level
of
support
overall
and
then
we've
also
been
working
on
the
nomination
and
application
process
forms,
and
I
will
go
into
detail
on
that
now
next
slide.
P
So
the
appointment
process
that
we
have
discussed,
as
you
all
know,
there
will
be
25
members
of
the
community
reparations
commission.
P
13
of
the
25
will
be
nominated
by
neighborhood
organizations,
and
these
are
neighborhoods
that
have
historically
been
impacted
by
urban
renewal.
Gentrification
such
as
burton
street
east
end
valley
street
shiloh
south
side,
and
we
also
want
to
receive
nominations
from
housing,
authority
communities
and
other
neighborhoods
in
the
city.
P
P
P
Just
a
little
more
about
the
process
and
the
timeline,
we
will
be
launching
the
advertisement
for
the
solicitation
of
both
nominations
and
applications
on
october
18th.
P
And,
as
I
mentioned
before,
we
have
completed
nomination
and
application
forms.
We
are
converting
them
now
to
online
forms.
The
information
that
we
will
be
providing
to
the
community,
of
course,
will
include
procedures
guidelines.
P
We
are
also
scheduling,
multiple
meetings,
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
community
might
have
related
to
the
nomination
and
the
application
process,
and
that
information
will
be
forthcoming
when
we
do
the
announcement
on
october
18th,
but
very,
very
excited
about
moving
on
this
very,
very
important
step
next
slide.
P
So
that
include
concludes
rather
my
update
and
would
just
want
to
to
say
that
I'm
extremely
excited
to
be
a
part
of
this
effort,
looking
forward
to
serve
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
asheville
and
certainly
excited
about
supporting
a
I'm.
What
I'm
sure
will
be
a
very
dynamic
commission.
So
thank
you.
O
So,
thank
you
deborah.
I
also
want
to
thank
brenda
mills
who
has
been
serving
as
an
interim
director
of
equity
and
inclusion.
O
The
the
department
excuse
me
who's
been
working
very
closely
with
deborah
and
will
be
working
closer
with
her
as
we
get
ready
to
to
launch
this
appointment
process,
but
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
acknowledged
him
that
she
is
she's
in
here
on
the
team
with
this.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you,
brenda
and
I
think
there
are-
and
I
couldn't
tell
which
one
came
in
first
mayor,
maybe
sandra
and
and
going
both
have
that
go
ahead.
Stand
here.
C
Yes,
hi
hi,
mrs
jones,
we're
so
happy
to
have
you
back
here
with
us
we're
looking
forward
to
it.
I
think
we
definitely
I'm
really
happy
with
the
choice,
because
I
really
believe
that
you
can
do
a
great
job
because
you
know
so
much
about
asheville.
Already,
the
one
thing
I
was
asking
wondering
you
were
saying
something
about
the
application
process:
that's
opening
up
october
18th.
P
C
Okay,
and
also
with
this
timeline-
I'm
just
I'm
just
wondering-
will
this
give
you
give
us
enough
time
to
actually
work
through
the
process
as
far
as
selection
selecting
the
people
in
line
of
just
you
know,
I
was
just
a
little
concerned
about
that
time
period.
I
feel
like
it
may
be
a
little
rushed,
and
I
was
just
wondering
your
take
on
that.
P
Right
so
just
based
on
the
discussions
that
we've
had
internally,
everyone
felt
comfortable
with
that
timeline.
Also
our
discussions
with
the
county.
P
But
of
course,
once
again,
if
we
don't
want
to
compromise
quality
and
if
it
looks
like
we
might
need
to
extend
that,
we
will
certainly
have
those
discussions,
but
we
considered
the
holidays
in
both
november
and
december
and
and
felt
that
that
it
would
be
ample
time.
G
G
Will
come
from
the
neighborhoods,
so
there's
no
way
that
it
could
be
more
than
13
nominations.
Right
I
mean
somehow
it's
like
you
ident.
We
identified
the
four
neighborhoods
the
housing
authority.
I
assume
that
we've
laid
out.
You
know
what
gets
to
just
13
and
not
20.,
so
I'm
just
one
question
or
what
we're
continuing
to
get
is
that
we
are
making
that
the
council
is
making
these
decisions
relative
to
the
13
nominations,
and
that's
that's
really
not
the
case
right.
That's
all
going
to
be
determined
based
on
the
neighborhood
associations.
P
Absolutely
the
names
that
they
put
forward
are
the
names
that
will
be
seated
okay,
so
they
will
be
expected
to
do
their
vetting
process
to
ensure
that
that
we
have,
you
know
those
those
13,
and
you
know
we
certainly
wanted
to
make
sure
that,
at
a
minimum
that
the
neighborhood
representatives
are
the
majority
on
the
commission
and
coupling
that
with
the
experts
in
those
areas,
and
that
doesn't
mean
that
some
of
those
experts
may
not
still
be
representatives
from
those
communities
as
well.
So
they
will
just
follow
a
different
process.
G
Okay,
great,
and
can
you
just
clarify-
I
mean
I
realize
you
know
we're
going
to
have
12
seats
on
this
commission,
but
can
you
clarify
that
what
other,
how
other
people
will
get
involved
and
how
we
are
going
to
make
as
many
voices
as
possible,
if
not
all
voices
heard
in
this
process
that
you
know
if
you're,
not
on
the,
if
you're
I
mean
have
you
lost
out,
if
you're,
not
one
of
the
25.
P
Oh
absolutely
not,
and
this
is
something
that
I
really
want
to
make
sure
that
the
community
hears,
because
when
I
mentioned
earlier
about
formalizing
affiliations
with
different
community-based
organizations,
we
see
all
types
of
opportunities
for
the
community
to
be
involved.
I
think
that
the
only
way
that
this
can
be
successful
is
if
it
is
a
collective,
and
so
we
will
be
polling
the
community.
The
liaisons
that
I
mentioned
before
will
be
reaching
out
to
identify
organizations
as
well
as
individuals
that
want
to
support
this
effort.
P
Of
course,
we
will
leave
it
up
to
the
commission
to
decide
what
they
take
advantage
of,
but
we
want
to
have
a
a
very
detailed,
robust
list
of
what
is
available
to
them
if
they
choose
to
take
advantage
of
it,
and
so
I'm
hoping
that
the
community
will
hear
this
and
certainly
reach
out
to
us
and
we
will
be
reaching
out
to
them
as
well.
H
Thank
you
miss
jones.
I
do
have
a
question
going
back
to
the
neighborhood
nomination
process.
Please
some
of
our
neighborhoods
might
not
have
formal
associations
what
work
around.
H
P
Right
so
so,
I'm
still
working
with
the
office
of
equity
to
make
those
final
determinations
on
how
we
might
do
that.
I
believe
south
side
may
also
be
another
neighborhood
without
a
formal
organization,
as
the
other
ones
have,
but
we
want
to
just
make
sure
that
everyone
feels
that
that
that
the
right
representation
is
on
the
commission,
and
so
the
city
will
be
helping
me
with
those
final
determinations
on
who
we
will
identify
and
pinpoint
to
be
responsible
for
submitting
those
nomination
forms.
P
P
P
The
vetting
is
a
little
different
because
we
will
be
looking
at
experience
in
those
impact
areas
so
that
that
we
can
couple
that
with
those
who
have
actually
been
impacted
by
systemic
racism
as
well,
so
we're
hoping
that
between
the
nomination
process,
the
vetting
process,
that's
at
the
discretion
of
the
neighborhood
organizations
and
the
applications
themselves,
that
everyone
will
feel
that
they
have
that
opportunity.
O
Okay
and
if
I
could,
if
I
could
add,
we
we're
looking
at,
I
think
the
commission's
role
really
as
a
conduit
that
that
they
are
going
to
be
receiving
information
and
processing
and
digesting
and
we're
hoping
that
this
commission
will
be
reflective
of
the
concerns
and
issues
of
the
entire
community.
So
I
think
it
goes
back
to
the
question
that
you
ask
gwen
is
how
will
others
be
able
to
participate?
O
We
really
want
to
make
a
lot
of
opportunities
available
to
the
broader
community,
as
well
as
the
commission
actually
listening
to
the
broader,
commit
communities,
issues
and
and
concerns-
and
I
I
guess
it's
deborah
hasn't-
probably
worked
out
all
the
details
yet
and
and
want
to
leave
some
of
those
decisions
up
to
the
commission
as
well,
but
we
certainly
want
to
utilize
brenda's
dual
kind
of
experience
of
being
in
a
kind
of
a
community
liaison,
so
you're
very
connected
with
with
the
neighborhoods,
and
we
definitely
don't
think
that,
just
because
you
don't
have
a
formal
organization
that
you
can't
participate
or
nominate.
M
What
if
a
person
was
very
interested
but
had
not
participated
in
any
association
event,
so
they
wouldn't
know
how
to
reach
out.
Can
we
make
public
a
list
of
individuals
to
reach
out
to
per
neighborhood
so
that
individuals
can
say
hey,
I'm
not.
I
haven't
been
as
involved,
but
I
think
this
is
my
chance
to
really
get
involved.
I
want
to
reach
out
and
nominate
myself.
P
Absolutely
I
think
that
that
is
a
great
suggestion,
and
I
could
certainly
see
that
as
a
part
of
the
public
announcement
on
october
18th,
and
we
will
also
share
that
information
during
our
our
meetings
and
information
sessions
as
well.
J
Miss
jones
this
is
kim
roney
and
I
have
two
things
that
I've
been
asked
to
remember
and
to
lift
up
today.
One
is
what
I
have
heard
my
colleagues
say
about
ensuring
there's
an
opportunity
for
every
black
voice
to
be
heard,
but
the
second
I
did
bring
this
up
in
the
check-ins
as
well
as
I've
been
asked
to
name
montford
and
stumptown
among
the
neighborhoods
that
have
been
impacted
by
urban
renewal
and
redlining.
So
they're
not
forgotten
in
the
list.
M
I
just
have
one
last
comment
I
just
like
to
insert
in
the
conversation.
I
love
our
neighborhood
associations
a
lot
of
times.
They
represent
one
generation
of
our
community
members
and
we're
looking
for
diverse
voices
and
diverse
diversity
and
thinking
so
what
I
would
just
like
to
suggest
to
any
neighborhood
associations
listening
to
make
sure
that
generational,
dynamic
is
felt.
P
C
And
in
light
of
some
of
the
conversations
we've
had
here,
that
was
the
reason
why
I
was
concerned
about
the
town
frame
as
far
as
taking
applications
and
the
time
frame
is
open.
I
think
with
everything
that's
being
said
here,
if
there
is
a
need
for
the
communities
to
start
talking
about
the
process
first
before
we
can
actually
come
up
with
nominees.
C
P
I
appreciate
that,
and-
and
certainly
you
know
just
given
the
timeline
as
we
meet
with
these
neighborhood
groups
and
hear
back
from
them
as
we
discuss
the
timeline,
we
will
certainly
you
know,
take
that
to
heart
and
and
make
whatever
adjustments
are
necessary
once
again
for
them
to
have
the
time
that
they
need
to
do
it
right.
O
A
Okay,
we're
gonna
move
on
to
the
public
hearings
portion
of
our
agenda
and
the
first
thing
we've
got
to
do
is
continue
a
whole
bunch
of
things
to
the
november
9th
meeting,
and
these
are
the
corridor
studies
for
tunnel
road,
hendersonville,
road
and
biltmore
avenue
and
mcdowell's
street
and
unfortunately
they
each
require
a
vote
to
continue
them.
So
I'm
going
to
begin
with
the
first
one.
Do
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
continue
the
public
hearing
to
consider
adoption
of
a
corridor
study
for
tunnel
road
until
november
9th
2021?
A
Okay,
councilwoman
whistler.
G
A
R
A
A
R
G
C
G
A
C
A
R
R
A
Next,
we
have
public
hearing
item
d.
We
have
two
public
hearings
related
to
130
charlotte
street,
a
public
hearing
to
consider
a
land
use
incentive
grant
to
kassinger
development
group
for
130
charlotte
street
for
folks
watching
this
is
the
old
fuddrucker
site
and
a
public
hearing
to
consider
conditionally
rezoning,
130
charlotte
street
from
community
business.
A
One
district
to
commercial
expansion
dash
conditional
zone
folks
we're
going
to
have
presentations
on
both
of
those
pieces
and
we're
going
to
take
public
comment
on
both
of
them
and
then
we're
going
to
vote
on
them
separately.
So,
first
I'll
we'll
hear
from
community
development
director,
paul
d'angelo
and
he'll
present
on
the
land,
use
incentive
grant
to
kassinger
development
group
for
130
charlotte
street
and
then
and
then
we'll
hear
from
principal
planner,
shannon
tuck
and
she'll
present
on
the
zoning
piece
of
it.
S
All
right
good
evening,
city,
council,
mayor
vice
mayor
and
city
management,
paul
d'angelo,
with
the
community
and
economic
development
department
here
to
talk
about
the
land
use
incentive,
grant
application
for
the
kassenger
development
group
at
130
charlotte
street.
We
have
a
staff
report
with
staff
recommending
the
approval
of
the
application
for
the
land
use
incentive
grant
for
kbc
or
kdg
for
130
charlotte
street,
and
I'm
going
to
highlight
a
few
things
from
the
staff
report
regarding
the
land
use
incentive
grant
for
review.
S
S
It's
an
estimated
tax
value
of
the
property
upon
completion
of
nearly
27
million
dollars,
and
the
project
has
presented
to
staff
meet
eligibility
requirements
for
the
land
use
incentive
grant
for
the
luigi
excuse
me
per
the
louise
scoring
matrix
and
based
upon
policy.
The
project
will
receive
40
total
points
for
affordability,
20
points
for
the
location
and
an
additional
20
points
for
energy
efficiency
for
a
total
score
of
80
points
for
the
policy.
This
will
equal
16
years
of
grants
and
the
amount
of
city
property
taxes
payable
on
the
130
charlotte
street
development.
S
On
those
improvements,
the
proposal
does
include
that
affordable
rental
housing,
the
rental
acceptance
of
rental
assistance
and
housing
choice,
vouchers,
superior
location,
efficiency,
energy
efficiency,
as
well
with
energy
efficiency
and
energy.
Star
certification,
solar
panels
for
the
common
areas
and
again
staff
has
scored
this
with
80
points
for
16
years
of
the
lanyards
incentive
grant
a
few
pros
to
this
project.
The
proposed
project
will
provide
37,
affordable
rental
units
in
our
community.
S
As
noted
in
the
council
work
sessions
and
a
subsidy
cabinet
notated
in
the
luige
policy,
after
16
years,
the
city
will
receive
approximately
109
000
annually
in
city
tax
revenue,
depending
on
future
property,
tax
increases,
etc.
Please
note
that
the
city
will
still
receive
property
taxes
of
approximately
fourteen
thousand
dollars
five
hundred
in
years,
one
through
sixteen
and
the
city
does
set
aside
a
budget
annually
for
the
landings
incentive
grant.
S
Staff
is
recommending
a
motion
to
approve
the
landings
incentive
grant
for
130
charlotte
street,
and
we
have
both,
which
are
probably
going
to
wait
till
the
end.
We
have
both
the
developer
as
well
as
representative
here
to
answer
any
questions
and
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
now
or
after
the
full
presentation
with
planning.
A
Hey
how's,
my
sound,
am
I
doing
okay?
Can
you
hear
me
normal
okay,
good,
okay,
gwen.
G
Paul.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Did
this
did
this
go
through,
so
this
is
just
hcd
was
the
only
one
that
has
to
look
at
this
and.
G
R
I
I
This
is
the
same
developer
that
built
the
apartments
at
360,
hilliard
next
to
the
aston
tennis
park,
and
while
it
suffered
some
setbacks
in
the
beginning
and
orchestrating
how
we
might
partner
together,
it's
really
great
to
see
an
affordable
housing
developer
return
to
partner
with
the
city
for
another
time.
So
I'm
really
great.
I'm
really
thrilled
to
see
this
application
in
general
paul.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
for
those
listening
at
home?
What
happened
so
we've
got
a
new
building.
I
I
think
I
understand
that
if
a
tenant
is
qualified
for
the
affordable
unit
and
they
do
improve
economically,
they
are
given
a
point
in
time
about
a
four-month
kind
of
warning.
Like
hey,
you
have
surpassed
the
income
that
qualifies
you
for
this
particular
unit.
I
S
Yeah,
that's
correct
on
on
both
points
there
that
the
the
units
are
spread
throughout
the
building,
so
there's
no
concentration
of
lower
moderate
income
and
then
through
natural
attrition.
Those
units
tend
to
bounce
around
within
the
unit
and
then
yes,
working
with
council
when
we
updated
the
land
use
incentive
grant
policy
in
june,
once
you're
over
80
ami.
You
can
stay
in
that
affordable
unit
up
until
120
of
area
needed
income
and
then
so
that
gives
everyone
a
window
there
for
wealth
building
and
the
opportunity
for
savings.
S
And
then,
once
if
you're
over
120
ami,
we
ask
that
our
partners,
like
the
kessinger
group,
do
that
rental
lease
check
four
months
before
the
lease
is
up.
So
if
they
are
over
that
income,
they
have
four
months
to
make
the
decision
instead
of
an
immediate
decision
that
might
happen
as
soon
as
somebody
went
over
80
percent.
We
have
that
window
of
area
made
in
income
as
well
as
that
window
of
time.
I
That's
great
terrific,
thank
you
and
just
one
last
comment,
and
that
is
to
say
for
those
folks
listening
at
home
when
we
talk
about
60
ami,
the
map
on
that
is
someone
working
for
15
an
hour
40
hours
a
week,
52
weeks
a
year
equals
60
ami,
essentially
in
this
example
in
our
community
right
now.
R
G
Thanks,
sorry,
so
paul,
you
know,
I
note
that
it's
a
30-year
commitment
to
affordability
and
normally,
and
I
think
the
luige
requires
a
20-year.
So
are
you
basically
saying
that
this
developer
is
agreeing
to
a
50
increase
in
affordability,
basically
from
what
is
being
incentivized
under
the
luige
grant.
S
That's
correct
and
it's
something
that
we
hope
to
see
with
to
councilwoman
turner's
point
of
repeat
customers
as
we
build
relationships
to
kind
of
ask
for
a
little
bit
more
the
next
time
and
cast
into
a
group
instead
of
the
the
20
80
and
60
and
20
it's
a
20,
80
and
60
30.,
and
so
we're
grateful
as
the
folks
come
back.
We
try
to
push
a
little
bit
more,
whether
it's
more
affordability,
more
years,
etc.
J
Kim,
thank
you
paul.
I
think
the
best
way
I
know
how
to
ask
this
question.
That's
coming
from
community
members
is,
is
our
grant
based
on
the
taxable
value
of
the
land
or
the
the
end
sale
price
of
the
land,
and
if
the
reason
I'm
asking
that
is,
will
our
grant
number
go
up
or
does
it
stay
at
what
it's
contracted.
S
So
this
it's
based
on
taxable
value
and
it
is
out
of
the
gate
here,
an
estimate,
but
when
we
actually
go
to
contract
and
the
the
building
is
complete
and
we
finalize
those
documents
like
a
deep
restriction,
this
land
use
incentive
grant
a
document
that's
filed.
We
will
look
at
that
final
taxable
value
to
see
how
close
that
estimate
was,
but,
based
on
that
final
value
is
what
we
will
base
that
grant
upon.
J
So,
following
up
on
that,
it's
my
understanding
the
last
time
that
this
property
was
reviewed.
It
was
currently
valued
at
3.6,
but
now
it
is
expected
to
be
above
five.
So
I
guess
my
question
around.
That
is:
what
numbers
are
we
setting
ourselves
up
for
the
future?
Should
we
be
setting
it
on
the
taxable
value.
S
So
we'll
look
at
the
taxes
once
we,
this
is
formalized
with
city
council
what
the
taxes
are
paid
now
on
that
property
and
the
current
tax
value,
and
then,
when
those
agreements
come
about,
we'll
look
at
that
full
tax
value
of
right
now,
estimated
at
27
million
and
that
difference
right
now,
they're
paying
city
taxes
of
approximately
15
000.
S
It's
estimated
that
that
will
be
what
is
that
total
estimated
after
that
that
the
taxes
will
come
in
at
approximately
109
000,
so
that
difference
of
94
000
is
what
is
granted
back
after
they
pay
those
taxes
and
again
based
on
current
estimates.
Thank
you.
Paul.
Q
I
Oh
I'm
sorry,
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
with
councilwoman
whistler
to
let
her
know,
though
luigi
application
actually
only
approved
them
for
16
years,
so
they're,
essentially
almost
doubling
the
term,
which
I
think
is
great-
it's
almost
90
longer
and
they
don't
have
to
so.
I
saw
that
as
an
additional
thing
that
they
put
forward,
and
I
greatly
appreciate
that.
A
S
I
may
refer
to
to
brad
branham
for
that,
but
for
right
now,
as
we
come
in
we're
about
to
look
at
360
hilliard
as
an
agreement,
I
believe
that
we
would
certainly
want
to
update
everyone
where
that
final
tax
value
came
in
and,
of
course
we
don't
want
to
go
over
over
that
cap.
The
city
council
created
of
not
more
than
80
000
per
unit,
but
probably
we
could
write
in
to
an
update
about
how
we
go
from
estimate
to
final
value,
councilman
rony.
D
And-
and
I
think
I
can
add
on
to
that-
that
if
the
the
tax,
the
final
tax
value
comes
in
greater
than
the
original
estimate-
which
I
believe
might
be
your
question-
the
amount
of
subsidy
would
potentially
go
up,
but
the
tax
value
went
up,
which
means
that
the
net
effect
of
the
city
is
essentially
the
same,
because
it's
it's
money
that
would
have
come
in
and
then
is
essentially
granted
back.
D
J
The
big
picture
I
think
would
be
important
for
the
public
to
see
is
if
we
were
to
be
partnering
with
groups
that
have
permanently
affordable
housing
as
their
mission.
Would
we
get
farther
in
per
unit
than
what
we
are
attempting
to
do
now?
So
I
think
it'll
be
important
for
us
to
look
back
on
this
in
review.
I
Councilwoman
ronnie,
I
agree.
You
know
the
luigi
hasn't
been
successful
until
recently,
so
we
don't
have
too
many
projects
to
look
back
and
monitor,
but
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
for
both
affordable
housing
committee
and
hcd.
To
really
kind
of
you
know
see
how
these
things
are
playing
out
as
time
passes
and
taxes
change.
I
appreciate
that
suggestion.
A
Yeah
I
just
chiming
in
there
I
mean
I
have
heard
some
wide-ranging
opinions
about
incentivizing
affordability
through
a
tax
grant
program.
I
mean
you
know
just
throwing
it
out
there,
you
know.
Is
it
better
to
have
less
you
less
numbers
of
units
of
affordable,
well,
less
affordable
units
total
if
the
developer
just
provides
it
as
part
of
what
they're
doing
without
any
city
subsidy
or,
conversely,
if
we,
if
we
subsidize
units
and
get
many
more
out
of
the
developer,
you
know.
Is
that
a
greater
benefit?
F
A
Know
I
think
this
the
luige
grant
that
we
were
talking
about
here
has
been
tweaked
and
tweaked
and
tweaked,
because
it
is
a
difficult
tool
to
get
it
right
and
the
market
is
always
changing.
So
what
what
private
developers
are
willing
to
do
it
changes
from
year
to
year?
So
you
know,
and
and
and
for
those
listening
I
mean
I'm
not
sure
how
many
cities
even
have
a
program
quite
like
this.
So
it's
not
exactly
like.
A
We
can
benchmark
against
all
other
places
and
see
how
we're
doing
we're
just
trying
to
figure
this
out
as
we
move
along,
but
I'm
pleased
to
see
in
this
project
that
we're
even
seeing
some
units
at
60
at
ami
that
you.
I
It's
probably
worth
mentioning
too
that
when
we
say
as
a
part
of
the
policy
for
luigi
that
half
of
the
units
will
accept
vouchers,
it
really
can
touch
as
low
as
30
ami.
It's
a
range
of
30
to
60.
A
A
And
I'm
sure
paul
and
his
are
trying
to
keep
track
of
that
and-
and
you
know
maybe
at
some
point
we'll
be
able
to
sort
of
reflect
back
and
look
and
see
what
what
we
think
really
made
the
most
sense.
S
And
if
I
may
merit
quickly,
this
is
why
I
took
myself
off
camera.
Hopefully
you
can
hear
me
my
internet's
acting
up
a
bit,
but
we
definitely
in
community
development,
it's
very
important
for
us
to
partner
with
all
developers
interested
in
affordable
housing
mission,
driven
non-profit
tax
credit
and
for-profit.
S
They
all
need
different
values
of
subsidy.
A
non-profit
might
come
forward
where
they're
not
going
to
pay
property
taxes,
naturally,
as
that,
a
non-profit
agency,
if
they're
the
owner.
So
what
is
their
subsidy?
So
we
do
try
to
evaluate
that.
That
said,
these
important
points
of
keeping
track
of
the
subsidy,
the
numbers,
the
partners
and
length
and
four
affordability
is
well
taken,
and
I
greatly
appreciate
the
questions
thanks.
T
All
right,
good
evening,
mayor
city
council,
this
this
item
as
the
mayor
had
described
as
a
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
same
property,
just
discussed
it's
the
property
located
at
130,
charlotte
street,
and
if
you're
familiar.
If
you're
not
familiar
with
this
area
of
town,
it
is
the
intersection
of
charlotte
street
in
east
chestnut,
just
north
of
the
downtown.
T
You
can
see
the
subject:
property
highlighted
in
red
on
the
exhibit
a
and
a1
maps.
The
the
existing
zoning
designation
of
this
property
is
community
business.
One.
The
request
is
to
rezone
the
property
to
commercial
expansion,
conditional
zone
and
the
reason
the
applicant
is
requesting.
This
is
because
they
are
proposing
a
mixed-use
multi-story
building
that
is
over
a
hundred
thousand
square
feet
in
over
50
units.
This
classifies
the
project
as
a
level
three
and
under
the
city's
rules.
T
Any
projects
that
are
classified
as
level
threes
must
seek
a
conditional
zoning
to
one
of
the
expansion
districts,
because
this
project
is
has
a
mix
of
uses.
It
is
predominantly
a
residential
building
with
186
units,
but
it
does
include
some
ground
level,
retail
and
office
use.
So
we
need
a
designation
that
allows
both,
and
that
would
be
the
commercial
expansion
zoning
designation
next
slide.
Please,
so
the
site
is
2.34
acres
and
it
is.
It
falls
within
some
other
designations
that
I
think
are
worth
noting.
T
First
of
all,
it
is,
it
falls
within
the
charlotte
street
overlay,
so
you
can
see
the
overlay
in
the
map
on
the
left
is
hatched
in
gray
and
the
subject
property
located
there
in
the
lower
left-hand
side
of
that
overlay.
It's
the
large
parcel
that
has
the
the
building
kind
of
oriented
on
an
angle,
so
that
is
our
subject
property
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
right
on
the
edge
of
the
overlay.
Now
the
charlotte
street
overlay
is
a
separate
set
of
zoning
standards
that
apply
to
properties
that
are
along
this
corridor.
T
T
The
overlay
standards
are
somewhat
reflective
of
the
charlotte
street
corridor
plan.
This
is
an
old
small
area
plan
or
corridor
plan
that
was
adopted
before
the
former
comprehensive
plan.
It's
circa,
late
1990s,
I
think
1999
is
when
that
plan
was
adopted.
T
We
have
since
gone
through
we're
on
our
second
comprehensive
plan,
since
that
plan
was
adopted.
The
slide
on
the
right
shows
the
charlotte
street
innovation
district.
This
significantly
overlaps
the
overlay,
but
does
extend
a
little
bit
further
to
the
south.
As
you
can
see,
it's
the
area
highlighted
in
red.
The
innovation
district
is
one
of
several
in
the
city
of
asheville.
That
is
an
economic
development
strategy
that
proposes
to
catalyze
or
incent
development
in
locationally
efficient
areas
and
by
concentrating
development
in
these
areas.
T
It
helps
reduce
infrastructure
costs
to
the
city
and
has
other
benefits
as
well.
Next
slide,
please,
the
property
is
also
located
within
the
chestnut
hills,
national,
historic
district.
It
may
be
a
little
bit
hard
to
tell
on
your
screen,
but
charlotte
street
sort
of
bisects,
or
you
know,
kind
of
cuts
in
half
the
the
historic
district,
so
you've
got
about.
T
A
third
of
the
historic
district
is
on
the
east
side
of
charlotte
street
and
about
two-thirds
is
on
the
west
side
of
charlotte
street,
so
this
property
is
kind
of
dead
in
the
center
and
the
chestnut
hills,
national,
historic
district.
It's
it's!
As
I
mentioned,
it's
a
national
historic
district.
It's
not
a
local
historic
district,
but
it
is
every
bit
as
historic
as
our
local
districts.
The
main
difference
is
that
the
community
chose
not
to
adopt
district
specific
guidelines
that
would
affect
new
construction
or
significant
renovations.
T
Next
slide,
please,
and
then
the
last
designation
that
we'll
talk
about
is
the
future
land
use
map
designation.
The
future
land
use
map
is
part
of
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
identifies
about
a
dozen
different
designations,
and
this
property
is
designated
traditional
corridor
and
the
traditional
corridor
description
describes.
T
T
The
traditional
quarter
also
describes
pedestrian
orientation,
a
project
that
sort
of
de-emphasizes
surface
parking,
so
parking
should
be
to
the
side
or
rear
or
structured
underneath
something
that
has
multimodal
accessibility.
So
bike
lanes
wide
sidewalks
transit
things
of
that
nature,
because
this
project
incorporates
all
or
most
of
those
elements
we
do
not
feel
a
change
in
the
future.
Land
use
map
is
necessary,
so
a
change
in
the
zoning,
but
a
change
in
the
future
land
use
map
would
not
be
required
next
slide,
please.
T
So
in
looking
at
the
aerial
imagery,
you
can
see
the
site
as
it
is
today
the
property
while
in
a
historic
district.
The
structure
that
is
currently
there
is
the
former
fuddruckers
fast
food
restaurant.
If
you're
familiar
with
that,
the
business
and
the
building
have
been
vacant
for
some
time
and
the
building
is
not
a
contributing
historic
structure,
so
removing
that
building
or
redeveloping
the
site
does
not
affect
the
integrity
of
that
historic
district.
T
You
can
see
the
building
there
located
in
the
middle,
surrounded
by
a
large
surface
parking
lot.
All
of
this
would
be
removed
in
order
to
make
room
for
the
new
development
next
slide.
Please
so
here's
the
site
plan
for
the
project
and
what
is
being
proposed
is
a
three
to
five
story.
Building
that
will
be
a
maximum
of
52
feet
in
height.
It
is
approximately
167
000
square
feet
total
that
would
include
186
dwelling
units,
20
percent
of
which
are
set
aside
as
affordable
units.
T
The
project
will
also
include
approximately
7
000
square
feet
of
street-level
non-residential
space
that
includes
approximately
4
500
square
feet
of
retail
or
other
service
uses.
That's
the
area,
that's
highlighted
in
red
on
the
corner
and
an
additional,
approximately
2500
square
feet
or
so
of
sort
of
office.
Space
there's
also
some
leasing
and
amenity
area
on
that
ground
level,
but
we
generally
consider
that
residential
space
or
space
that
supports
the
residential
uses.
T
T
T
There
are
also
10
to
12
foot
wide
sidewalks
and
a
five
to
two,
approximately
eight
and
a
half
or
nine
foot
planting
strip
and
a
transit
shelter
added
to
the
stop
that
is
currently
on
charlotte
street.
Today
we
have
just
an
open
bench
on
charlotte
street
that
would
be
replaced
with
a
fully
covered
transit.
Stop
I'd
like
to
pause
here
too,
and
just
point
out.
This
project
has
gone
through
something
of
an
evolution
when
it
was
first
presented
at
trc.
T
There
were
a
few
concerns
that
we
had
to
talk
with
the
development
team
about
the
first
was
that
the
parking
garage
entrance
which
is
currently
located
on
east
chestnut,
it's
about
halfway
down,
or
it's
just
past-
that
retail
space
on
the
the
southern
end
of
the
southern
end
of
the
building.
T
It
had
originally
been
proposed
to
be
located
on
charlotte
street,
and
this
was
concerning
for
a
few
reasons,
one
of
which
is
that
that
is
the
most
visible
facade
of
the
building
and
having
a
parking
garage
entrance,
just
sort
of
interrupts
the
the
architecture
along
that
facade.
It's
not
just
it's
not
the
most
attractive.
T
It
also
had
the
potential
to
create
conflict.
The
traffic
impact
study
that
was
required
for
this
project
in
reviewing
or
considering
an
entrance
on
charlotte
street
required
or
recommended
that
there
be
a
dedicated
left
turn
section
of
the
center
lane
today.
So
today
we
have
the
three
lanes
one
going
in
each
direction.
Then
we
have
the
center
turn
lane.
T
T
Another
change
that
we
asked
the
applicant
to
really
study
was
they
had
originally
proposed.
What
was
sort
of
a
split
pedestrian
zone?
We
had
the
the
10-foot
wide
sidewalk
sort
of
split
so
that
a
portion
of
that
was
kind
of
down
at
the
grade
at
the
road
level
following
the
grade
of
the
road
and
then
the
other
half
of
it
sort
of
being
along
these
kind
of
storefront
entrances
on
charlotte
street,
and
that's
just
not
ideal
having
these
sort
of
topographically
separated
pedestrian
zones.
T
T
I
believe
it
may
have
been
a
function
somewhat
of
that
parking
garage
entrance
being
on
charlotte
street
so
that
by
perhaps
moving
it
to
east
chestnut.
It
might
help
resolve
that
as
well,
and
then
the
third
change
had
to
do
with
the
architectural
style
the
the
building
originally
was
proposed
as
sort
of
in
the
english
tutor
style,
so
the
style
that
you
commonly
find
in
biltmore
village.
There
are
a
couple
examples
in
the
chestnut
hills
district
that
includes
that
you
know
are
of
that
style
that
sort
of
english
tutor
style.
T
But
that
is
not
the
dominant
character
of
the
chestnut
hills,
historic
district.
So
in
consulting
with
our
historic
preservation
staff,
we
recommended
that
the
applicant
look
at
either
the
shingles
architectural
style
which,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
stephanie
inn
or
excuse
me,
the
princess,
anne,
that's
the
shingle
style,
so
being
a
residential
project.
We
thought
that
that
could
be
appropriate
here.
Another
option
was
to
look
at
the
the
brick
commercial
buildings
that
are
across
the
street
on
east
chestnut.
T
So
the
applicant
with
those
requests
from
staff,
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
they
came
back
with
the
project
that
is
before
you
now,
so
that
that
entrance,
the
parking
garage
entrance
on
charlotte
street
did
get
moved
to
east
chestnut
the
interrupted
or
the
the
two
different
pedestrian
zones
also
got
resolved,
and
we
have
now
a
nice
10
foot
wide,
unobstructed
sidewalk
that
has
smooth
transitions
to
the
primary
entrances
and
the
architectural
style
was
changed.
Now
the
building
did
not
change
at
all.
At
all
the
height,
the
mass
did
not
change.
T
In
fact
it
it
just
got
reduced
just
a
tiny
bit,
but
generally
the
the
layout,
the
orientation,
the
height
the
mass,
even
the
fenestration
remained
exactly
the
same.
It's
just
sort
of
how
the
building
was
skinned
that
changed.
So
we
went
from
that
english
tutor
to
sort
of
that
more.
T
So
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
streetscape
improvements
you
saw
in
the
previous
slide
that
the
applicant
proposed
community
space
in
the
center
of
the
project.
This
is
going
to
be
private
community
space
for
the
residents,
but
there
are
significant
improvements
to
the
public
realm
as
well.
T
If
you
look
at
an
aerial
map
of
the
corridor
as
it
relates
to
this
property,
there's
very
little
room
between
the
edge
of
pavement
and
the
property
line,
so
the
applicant
is
using
a
portion
of
their
property
in
order
to
provide
a
an
ample
planting
strip
for
street
trees,
a
nice
wide
sidewalk
and
a
little
bit
of
room
for
some
additional
flexibility,
so
streetscape
or
street
section
a
is
the
charlotte
street
street
section.
So
if
you
are
standing
on
charlotte
street,
looking
north,
you
have
the
building
facade
on
your
left.
T
There's
a
plus
or
minus
five
foot
strip
that
has
foundation
plantings,
or
this
is
a
really
good
space
for
awnings.
The
canvas
awnings
that
come
off
of
a
building
or
utility
boxes
or
things
that
are
commonly
encroaching
into
our
public
sidewalks,
will
not
be
a
problem
here,
because
we've
got
that
little
that
little
five
foot
area
that
can
help
absorb
some
of
that.
T
Then
we
have
our
nice
unobstructed,
ten
foot,
wide
level
sidewalk
and
then
next
to
that
we
have
our
five
foot
planting
strip,
because
we
do
not
have
on
street
parking
on
charlotte
street.
We
prefer
the
continuous
planting
strip,
it's
it's
better,
since
we
don't
have
people
parking
and
kind
of
crossing
that
area,
it's
better
for
the
trees
and
it
also
separates
the
sidewalk
zone
from
the
faster
moving
traffic
on
charlotte
street.
So
it's
a
more
comfortable
environment
for
the
pedestrian.
T
The
street
section
b
is
the
chestnut
street
section.
So
if
you're
standing
on
the
sidewalk
looking
east
at
charlotte
street,
the
building
facade
again
is
on
your
left.
You've
got
your
ten
foot
wide
sidewalk
and
then
you've
got
a
nine
foot.
It's
sort
of
a
bump
out
planting
area
so
for
a
portion
of
the
facade
along
chestnut
street.
You
have
this
bump
out
zone
that,
where
you
have
your
street
trees
and
a
nice
wide
sidewalk,
this
is
the
section
that's
in
front
of
that
retail
area.
T
So
on
that
section,
you've
got
you
still
have
the
10
or
plus-
or
I
think
it's
maybe
even
12
10,
to
12
foot
wide
sidewalk
and
in
this
zone
your
street
trees
move
into
tree
grates,
but
you
still
have
ample
space
for
walking
and
the
traffic
volumes
on
east
chestnut
street
are
less
than
what's
on
charlotte
street
and
moves
a
little
bit
slower.
So
it's
it's
not
as
bad
to
have
the
pedestrians
next
to
the
parked
cars
which
are
next
to
the
travel
lanes.
T
So
here
are
the
building
elevations
for
the
project,
starting
with
what
I
would
consider
the
the
primary
facade.
This
is
the
charlotte
streets
facade.
Now
this
is
a
corner
building,
so
we
really
actually
consider
both
charlotte
street
and
east
chestnut
to
be
fronts
of
the
building
and
they're,
both
important
from
an
aesthetic
and
pedestrian
standpoint.
T
But
starting
with
the
charlotte
street
facade,
you
can
see
on
the
the
left-hand
side,
that's
the
corner
portion
of
the
building
and
you
can
see
it's
a
three-story
building.
It's
a
tall
three-story,
because
the
lower
level
is
that
retail
or
non-residential
space.
This
is
similar
to
those
commercial
buildings
across
east
chestnut,
where
you
have
the
chop
shop
and
the
city
bakery.
Those
are
both
three-story
buildings
with
a
taller,
retail
or
ground
level.
T
The
building,
then,
as
you
move
down
charlotte
street
kind
of
changes
and
transitions,
it
maintains
a
relatively
uniform
roof
line
or
floor
plates
for
each
of
the
floors.
But
what
happens?
Is
that
taller
retail
level
as
you
move
down?
You
drop
slightly
in
elevation
on
charlotte
street
and
then
also
as
the
that
taller
retail
level
transitions.
You
can
kind
of
tuck
in
an
extra
story,
so
it
goes
from
three
stories
to
four
stories
to
a
different
four
stories
with
a
little
bump
up
at
the
top
and
that
bump
up
you
can
see.
T
That
is
the
light
gray
section
of
the
building
that
is,
has
the
vertical
fiber
cement
paneling.
That
section
is
actually
stepped
back
from
the
leading
edge
of
the
facade.
So
this
is
something
that
we
commonly
see
in
our
downtown,
and
this
is
a
good
design
principle
that
helps
keep
a
building
from
feeling
too
tall
or
massive
or
overwhelming
from
the
street
and
in
the
downtown.
T
We
base
that
on
the
width
of
the
right-of-way
and
whatever
that
width
is
establishes
what
we
call
a
street
wall
height
and
at
that
point,
all
of
the
square
footage
above
that
has
to
be
stepped
back.
So
this
is
not
required
in
this
case,
but
it
is
a
good
urban
design
principle.
That's
been
incorporated
into
this
project,
so
we
add
a
little
additional
square
footage
on
that
upper
for
that
upper
portion.
T
And
then,
as
you
go
down,
we
drop
down
to
another
four
story
and
then
it
transitions
to
a
five
story.
This
is
the
tallest
portion
of
the
building
that
that
five-story
piece
on
the
the
northern
end
and
as
you
can
see
from
the
roofline
remains
relatively
consistent.
T
It
adds
shadow
to
the
project
as
you
go
through
the
day,
so
it
just
kind
of
helps
overall,
with
the
feel
of
the
building
next
slide,
please
so
turning
the
corner
on
east
chestnut
now
again,
on
the
right
hand,
side,
that's
the
corner,
the
three,
the
tall
three-story
section
of
the
building.
You
can
see
that
ground
level
retail
space
there
next
to
the
corner.
This
is
the
portion.
That's
got
the
bump
out.
T
That
will
have
the
the
nine
foot
green
space
with
the
trees
and
then,
when
you
get
past
the
parking
garage,
then
it
kind
of
gets
it
transitions
back
to
the
10
to
12
foot
wide
sidewalk
with
street
trees
and
grapes.
T
You
can
see
on
this
facade.
This
is
a
longer
facade,
so
having
that
relief
is
really
important
and
on
this
facade,
they've
added
balconies
you've
got
that
same
kind
of
vertical
stepping
back
and
forth.
The
roof
also
steps
up
and
down
as
you
go,
and
we
transition
from
that
tall
three
story
to
four
stories
down
to
three
again,
as
you
get
towards
the
back
of
the
project.
T
So
as
you
go
closer
to
the
neighborhood
or
next
to
those
office
uses
the
scale
of
the
project
drops
and
it
becomes
a
three-story
building
at
the
back,
and
you
can
see
there's
sort
of
a
change
in
materials
as
well.
T
Turning
the
corner
at
the
back
of
the
building.
Now
you
can
see
it's
that
three-story
section.
This
is
the
section
that
is
furthest
down
on
chestnut
street
next
slide,
and
this
is
the
other
long
facade.
This
is
the
facade.
That's
on
the
south
elevation.
That's
next
to
taco
temple.
If
you're
familiar
with
that
business,
and
so
you
can
see
again,
you
have
the
taller
portion
of
the
building
up
to
charlotte
street.
T
That's
the
charlotte
street
would
be,
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
building,
and
then
it
drops
in
scale
as
you
move
closer
to
the
residential
neighborhood
to
where
it's
a
three-story
building,
and
you
can
see
those
those
bump
up
pieces,
those
that
extra
story
that
gets
added
on
a
few
sections
of
the
building.
In
this
section
you
can
see
how
it
stepped
back
from
the
facade
from
the
leading
edge
of
that
front
facade.
So
that's
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
describe
earlier
next
slide.
T
So,
with
all
conditional
zonings,
there
are
a
set
of
project
conditions
that
are
binding
that
go
with
with
all
approvals.
If
this
project
were
to
be
supported
and
the
request
or
the
ordinance
adopted,
we
always
try
to
identify
the
technical
modifications
with
a
with
a
conditional
zoning
and
with
those
it
within
that
list
of
conditions.
So
in
this
case,
we
have
some
modifications
to
udo
standards.
Primarily
it's
the
density.
T
The
commercial
expansion
district
offers
a
density
bonus
of
up
to
50
units
per
acre
if
affordable
housing
is
incorporated.
So
this
project
does
include
that
affordable
housing,
so
they
are
eligible
for
that
density
bonus
and
it
now
that
there
is
still
an
exception,
though,
because
their
density
still
exceeds.
You
know
what
the
bonus
would
normally
allow,
but
they
do
provide
all
of
their
parking
on
site
and
they
meet
all
of
their
other
udo
requirements.
T
The
overlay
and
the
existing
cb1
standards
are
somewhat
consistent
in
that
it
limits
the
size,
both
in
total
square
footage,
as
well
as
the
footprint
and
height
of
an
individual
building.
It
doesn't
limit
a
total
project
square
footage,
just
an
individual
building
and
this
building
exceeds
those
limits,
and
so
modifications
are
requested
for
those
standards.
T
T
T
I
think
I
heard
in
the
earlier
presentation
that
that
may
have
changed,
and
now
I
think
the
affordable
affordability
period
may
be
30
years
now,
if
that's
the
case,
we'll
need
to
update
the
b1
conditions
or
the
project
conditions
to
reflect
that
and,
as
stated
earlier
with,
the
land
use
incentive
grant
half
of
those
units
that
would
be
38
units
for
this
project.
Half
of
those
units
would
also
accept
housing
vouchers,
which
that's
a
great
bonus
for
a
project
like
this.
A
G
A
And,
and
maybe
paul
though,
could
first
give
us
the
updated
affordability
numbers
for
for
shannon's
b1
conditions,
there
could
paul
do
that
and
then
we'll
get
council
questions.
S
T
T
A
T
Right
what
we,
I
think,
how
we
well,
we
typically
word
those
conditions
in
a
certain
way,
so
that
that
it's,
it
doesn't
preclude
thumb
being
at
80
percent.
Our
legal
staff
kind
of
help
us
with
that,
but
I
I
thought
I
heard
the
affordability
period
changed,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure.
I
highlighted
that.
T
Also
with
this
project,
the
applicant
has
voluntarily
agreed
to
add
a
bus
shelter
to
the
charlotte
street
side.
I
mentioned
that
earlier
there
is
18
000
square
feet
of
community
open
space.
That's
the
private
community
space
that
I
mentioned,
but,
and
that
does
not
include
all
of
the
street
skating
streetscape
improvements,
and
then
we
had
the
231
structured
parking
spaces,
also,
the
seven
on
street
parking
spaces.
A
Y'all,
I
don't
know
who
gwen.
G
Shannon
I
received
some
a
neighborhood
letter
and
I'm
going
to
quote
a
few
of
these
and
just
ask
you
to
address
them.
So
the
first
is
that
let
me
see
hold
on
a
minute
that
the.
G
The
the
project
the
conditional
zoning
has
been
fast,
has
been
fast
tracking,
with
the
final
vote
by
city
council
scheduled
for
after
october
12th
and
then.
The
second
comment
that
I'd
like
you
to
respond
is
the
design
that
was
presented
in
the
community.
Zoom
call
on
may
18th.
G
Which
has
been
drastically
changed
so
what
I
heard
now,
I
don't
know
whether
community
meetings
and
you
know,
and
when
you
first
looked
at
it
were
the
same,
but
I
would
think
they
were.
But
what
I
heard
you
say
that
changed
from
they,
the
developer
originally
coming
to
you
was
that
the
garage,
the
parking
garage
opening
changed
to
from
charlotte
street
to
chestnut
and
that
the
facade
changes
that
the
what
it
was
going
to
look
like
changed
and
that
there
were
some
pedestrian.
What
you
would
view
as
pedestrian
experience
improvements,
and
you
actually
said.
G
T
Sure
I'm
happy
to
address
that.
So,
at
least
regarding
the
first
comment
about
fast
tracking,
I
would
have
to
go
back
and
double
check
the
the
application
date,
but
I
believe
this
was
submitted
back
in
may
so
this
project's
been
in
review
for
quite
some
time.
The
applicant
actually
took
some
additional
time
midstream
to
kind
of
explore
and
address
some
of
these
concerns
of
staff
after
technical
review.
G
G
Skip
steps
being
skipped
here,
shannon
or.
T
No
steps
were
skipped,
the
it
it
may
help
to
explain
that
with
all
conditional
zonings,
we
require
a
neighborhood
meeting
to
occur
prior
to
application,
and
the
intent
of
this
is
to
give
the
developer
an
opportunity
to
hear
about
concerns
from
the
community
and
incorporate
in
that
design
before
they
get
too
far
down
the
road,
so
that
occurs
before
the
application
even
comes
in
to
the
city.
T
T
So,
even
though
we
don't
have
individual
design
guidelines
for
the
chestnut
hills,
historic
district,
we
still
for
conditional
zoning,
especially
we
want
to
support
historic
preservation
goals
and
want
something
that
is,
you
know,
compatible
and
harmonious,
and
so
in
consultation
with
our
historic
resource
resources
staff.
Those
were
the
recommendations
that
we
gave
the
applicant
now
the
building
did
not
change
at
all
it.
If
anything,
it
got
reduced
slightly
in
scale.
T
So
in
terms
of
impact
on
neighbors
or
the
community
there
there
was
no
change
in
impact,
so
we
would
not
have
deemed
this
a
significant
change.
That
would
say,
for
example,
warrant
a
new
neighborhood
community
meeting.
So
if
an
applicant
came
in
and
significantly
changed
their
project
after
that,
first
neighborhood
meeting,
you
know
the
building's
much
taller
it's
oriented
differently.
T
The
mix
of
uses
are
very
different.
We
would
ask
them
to
go
back
to
the
community,
but
in
this
case
there
were
no
changes
in
the
land
uses
no
changes
in
the
mass,
the
orientation,
the
height,
even
the
fenestration,
as
I
mentioned,
didn't
change.
The
only
changes
were
the
three
that
I
highlighted
the
location
of
the
parking
garage
entrance.
T
The
the
the
character
of
the
streetscape,
the
the
pedestrian
zones
and
then,
of
course,
the
architectural
detailing
those
we
considered
all
positive
changes
and
we're
at
the
staff's
request.
J
This
is
kim,
I
think
I
just
mostly
have
a
concern
and
that's
tied
to
what
I
was
asking
about
earlier
in
order
to
get
to
a
thousand
units
that
are
between
30
and
80
ami,
which
are
always
going
to
be
crawling
further
and
further
out
of
reach.
We'd
have
to
build
27
of
these,
and
so
I
think
we
just
can't
go
all
in
on
this
just
to
get
scraps
of
what
we
need
acknowledging
that
right
now.
T
T
This
is
a
rendering
supplied
by
the
applicant
of
what
we
expect
the
finished
product
of
this
building
to
look
like
you
can
see:
sort
of
the
the
brick
character
of
the
building,
some
of
that
relief,
the
vertical
and
horizontal
plane
relief
that
I
was
discussing
the
step
back
of
that
uppermost
story,
the
retail
space
on
the
at
the
ground
level,
the
transit
shelter
and
the
nice
wide
sidewalk
and
streetscape
improvements
that
were
included
in
this
project.
So
I
think
this
does
a
good
job
of
sort
of
capturing.
T
H
I
Yeah,
just
in
the
interest
of
correct
information
out
there,
I
did
reach
out
to
the
local
newspaper
today
because
they
printed
a
story
digitally
on
this
project
that
had
some
errors
and
what
happened
is
I
believe,
they're
going
to
try
and
change
it
and
hopefully
before
the
print.
But
for
those
of
you
are
listening
at
home.
That
may
be
renting
and
curious.
What
these
affordable
units
are.
The
numbers
are
actually
for
one
bedroom,
60
ami.
I
What
was
quoted
in
the
paper
was
without
utilities,
but
it
actually
included
some
utilities,
so
the
one
bedroom
would
be
739
with
water
or
sewer
and
trash
included.
It
had,
no
utilities
would
be
665
a
month
and
for
80
ami
one
bedroom
would
be.
It
was
quoted
as
1021
without
utilities,
but
that
actually
again
includes
some
utilities.
So
if
it
includes
water
or
sewer
and
trash
it's
the
1021,
without
that
it's
9.47,
and
hopefully
I
won't
go
over
the
other
numbers.
A
Okay,
council,
if
you
have
any
other
questions
for
staff,
this
is
a
good
time
or
for
the
developer
and
their
team.
I
understand
they're
on
the
call.
I
cannot
see
all
the
boxes
on
my
screen,
so
I
don't
know
where
they
are
but
they're
here
if
we
need
them
otherwise
I'll
move
to
the
public
comment
period.
So
just
let
me
know
if
you're
ready,
we'll
move
to
the
public
comment
period.
A
Okay,
we
do
have
a
number
of
people
signed
up
to
speak
for
this
item
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over.
Actually,
first,
I'm
going
to
read
a
couple
things.
Then
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
staff.
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
hear
public
comment
on
items
d1
and
d2
and
again
to
remind
everyone
that
is
both
the
land
use
incentive
grant
piece
of
this,
as
well
as
the
conditional
rezoning
application
itself.
We
will
connect
live
calls
from
our
speaker
queue.
I
believe
we
have
about
12
people
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item
callers.
You
will
first
hear
staff
and
form
counsel
that
you're
next
to
speak.
Then
you
will
hear
an
automated
message,
letting
you
know
you're
unmuted
and
live
in
the
meeting.
A
You
may
begin
speaking
after
the
automated
message,
if
you
accidentally
drop
out
of
the
speaker,
queue
just
redial
the
number
and
meeting
code
press
star
three
to
rejoin
the
speaker.
Queue
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
comment
and
at
the
end
of
the
three
minutes,
you'll
hear
a
bell
and
staff
will
ask
you
to
wrap
up
your
comment.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
staff
now
to
take
public
comment.
U
President
there,
but
that
doesn't
mean
much,
but
I
don't
I'm
not
calling
in
today
to
speak
for
our
entire
membership.
But
I
ask:
is
there
representative
that
they,
along
with
the
neighboring
communities
and
businesses
along
shuttle
street,
have
their
voices
heard
like
in
the
past,
in
the
visioning
of
future
development,
and
that
you
know,
spurred
the
success
that
charlotte
street
is
today
and
the
local
businesses
on
the
street
and
the
nearby
neighbors
have
elevated
the
corridor?
U
And
that's
because
of
the
overlay
and
that's
what
it
was
intended
for?
And
that
was
working
collaboratively
with
the
city
to
create
the
overlay.
But
this
project
doesn't
conform
to
the
overlay
as
presented.
U
And
if
the
overlay
has
been
outdated
for
by
two
comprehensive
plans,
but
remains
in
the
udo.
U
U
That
we
all
love-
and
you
know,
there's
been
ample
time
to
tweak
the
overlay
with
the
businesses
in
the
community
that
more
aligned
with
the
current
comprehensive
plan
goals,
but
that
that
hadn't
happened
and
there
was
for
the
road
diet,
which
I
love
and
at
that
time
there
was
some
talk
about
changing
the
overlay,
but
staff
moved
on
to
radtip
or
south
slope
or
some
there
was
another
emergency
and
nobody
ever
came
back
to
us
and
addressed
the
community
on
something
that
we
really
worked
hard
on
with
with
city's
help,
and
I
think
this
a
project
of
this
size
and
this
scale
and
this
massing
deserves
the
same
kind
of
inspection.
U
U
U
What
we
expect
from
our
city
is
protection
of
that,
but
I
would
hope
that
the
city
kind
of
pauses
for
just
a
second
and
for
and
works
with
the
community
to
get
this
to
a
place
where
at
least
everyone
understands
what
the
where
the
rails
are,
because
that
then
right
now
it
doesn't
feel
like
there's
rails
between
this
and
another
project
that
won't
be
mentioned,
but
it
it
just
feels
like
it's.
It's
just
open
season
and
there's
one
thing
all
right.
My
time's
up
thanks
a
bunch
and.
I
Hi
there
thank
you
all
for
allowing
me
three
minutes
to
speak,
and
I
wanted
to
start
first
by
recognizing
how
much
work
and
how
much
effort
goes
in
to
kind
of
controlling
and
steering
a
project
of
this
size
and
I've
seen
how
much
work
goes
into
trying
to
protect
the
community
and
collaborate
when
these
projects
have
come
up.
And
I'm
speaking
from
a
former
my
former
residence
in
florida,
where
things
just
completely
went
off
the
rails.
And
it
made
me
a
little
gun
shy.
I
And
I
was
even
more
pleased
to
find
that
when
I
bought
a
home
here
in
alba
mall
that
there
were
so
many
zoning
ordinances
in
place
to
protect
my
neighborhood.
And
that's
all.
I'm
really
hoping
to
talk
to
you
tonight
about
is
that
with
the
charlotte
street
neighborhood
association
plan
on
a
page
and
the
charlotte
street
overlay
and
the
udo
and
and
all
of
the
layers
of
oversight
and
work
that
go
into
the
collaborative.
I
And
it's
going
to
change.
I
think
most
prominently
when
you
look
down
the
street
and
that
traffic
is
going
to
be
out
of
control
and
we're
not
going
to
have
a
quaint
little
village
anymore,
where
businesses
and
families
thrive,
but
we're
going
to
have
gridlock
and
we're
going
to
have
unsafe
traffic
conditions.
I
And
I
just
you
know,
I'm
kind
of
speaking
from
the
heart
here
from
past
experiences
and
things
that
I
can
foresee
are
going
to
go
wrong.
If
we
continue
to
build
and
develop
with
with
this
kind
of
zeal
that
I
see
and
I'm
encouraging
all
of
our
leadership
to
slow
down
a
little
bit
and
consider
where
we
came
from
here
on
charlotte
street.
I
I
have
been
listening
to
this
tonight
and
one
of
the
things
that
strikes
me
is
that
I
believe
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
that
the
developers
are
getting
a
16-year
multi-million
dollar
grant
to
be
able
to
construct
60
more
units
than
the
highest
number
of
units
they
would
be
allowed
to
construct
under
the
existing
code,
and
my
question
is
in
a
hot
market
like
this:
isn't
the
developer
making
bank
this
looks
like
a
pretty
good
deal
for
the
developer,
and
I
am
not
opposed
to
development
and
let
me
clearly
state
that,
but
what
I
am
concerned
about
is
that
once
you
change
the
overlay,
the
udo
you
give
conditional
zoning
when
does
it
stop
and
where
does
it
stop?
I
Charlotte
street
is
one
of
the
spokes
in
the
wheel
of
asheville.
That
really
has
a
lot
of
historic
character
and
a
development
that
is
under
consideration
across
the
street
from
that
currently
has
affordable
housing,
and
I
appreciate
all
your
work
in
trying
to
create
affordable
housing.
My
question
is:
why
can't
the
areas
around
asheville
that
are
already
brownfields
gray
fields,
tunnel,
road
patton
avenue
areas
that
have
already
been
destroyed,
be
those
areas
to
infill
with
affordable
housing
and
keep
the
historic
entrances
like
charlotte
street?
I
The
way
it
is,
except
you
know,
under
the
current
udo
and
the
plan
on
a
page.
I
don't
agree
that
the
applicant
has
revealed
concerns
from
the
neighborhood.
I
think
that
one
of
the
issues
we
have
been
experiencing
over
this
long
process
is
that
we
have
not
felt
hurt
and
let
me
tell
you,
I
don't
live
on
charlotte
street
and
I
am
not
a
resident
of
any
of
the
areas
around
charlotte
street,
but
what
I
am
is
somebody
who
did
grow
up
here.
I
When
you
put
something
of
that
enormous
scale
across
the
street
from
it,
it
is
not
going
to
be
a
pretty
picture
it
just
isn't.
I
came
from
chapel
hill,
it's
happening
all
over
chapel
hill,
it's
gone,
the
character
of
chapel
hill
is
done,
and
I
really
don't
want
asheville
to
go
down
that
road.
Their
area
of
the
feast
can
be
concentrated
on,
but
this
is
not
where
it
needs
to
be
charlotte.
Street
can
continue
under
the
current
udo
plan
on
the
page
and
then.
N
Hey,
thank
you.
My
name
is
bill.
Murphy
and
I
live
on
albemarle
road,
I'm
about
a
block
from
the
project.
Here
I
want
to
thank
you,
mayor
and
city
council
for
giving
us
this
opportunity
to
speak.
N
I
think,
after
the
previous
project,
a
lot
of
people
think
that
in
the
community
opposition
believe
that
we're
totally
opposed
to
any
change-
and
that's
not
true
at
all.
In
fact,
I
think
apartments
is
a
good
use
of
that
piece
of
land
there,
but
I
think
you
also
have
to
take
into
account
the
ode,
udo
and
the
charlotte
street
overlay.
N
I
mean
people
are
purchasing
homes,
having
faith
in
the
zoning,
and
it
seems
like
the
zoning
doesn't
matter.
It
can
be
changed
at
any
time
and
then
people
have
to
pick
up
and
move
again
if
they
want
that
quality
of
life
again
concerned
about
the
traffic.
As
paula
mentioned,
it's
gonna
be
a
nightmare,
it's
already
bad
on
both
chestnut
and
charlotte,
and
this
is
just
going
to
compound
it
another.
N
You
know
186
200
cars
a
day
there,
so
that
what
I
think
would
be
very
helpful
if
the
city
would
direct
the
developer
to
work
with
the
neighborhoods
around
there
and
try
to
come
up
with
a
better
plan
that
will
fit
the
scope
of
the
neighborhood.
N
And
so
I'm
going
to
limit
that
just
a
few
things
last
point
says:
I
think
you
should
limit
the
size
of
this
building
to
the
udo.
I
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
I
can't
be
two
stories
high.
I
like
the
changes
that
has
the
exterior
match
the
chalk
shock,
rather
than
the
one
they
had
previously
done,
and
then.
Thirdly,
I
encourage
you
all
to
slogan
a
bit
and
let
the
community
engage
with
the
developer
and
see
if
we
can
come
with
a
win-win.
Thank
you.
W
Okay,
thank
you
for
conducting
the
hearing.
I
appreciate
it.
I
am
part
of
the
process
that
began
over
20
years
ago
in
the
area
and
in
our
neighborhood,
where
we're
a
coalition
of
residents
and
business
owners
and
city
planners
and
city
officials
you're
all
probably
familiar
but
and
attorneys
all
convened
as
practical
visionaries
regarding
the
future
use
and
development
of
the
charter
street
area,
and
so
this,
this
engagement
at
civic
invasion
that
was
initiated
and
encouraged
by
asheville
city
leadership
led
to
the
legal
creation
of
the
yu-gi-oh.
W
The
shortest
street
overlay
district
become
a
free
answer,
asheville
plan.
So
this
this
visionary
process
and
plans
that
people
engaged
in
was
agreed
and
applauded,
and
it
actually
became
the
map
for
the
future
of
charlotte
street.
W
So
then,
we
kind
of
fast
forward
to
where
we
are
now
in
the
past
year,
or
so
with
two
large
development
proposals
coming
up,
and
it
feels
like
that.
You
hear
no
recognition
or
no
respect
or
appreciation
for
the
fact
of
the
history.
That's
created
the
plan
that's
in
place,
and
it
seems
like
to
to
grant
conditional
zoning
permits.
W
In
lieu
of
coming
together
and
re-convening
a
process
that
involves
the
neighborhood
involves,
city
officials
involves
the
people
that
are
affected
and
interested
seems
like
that's
where
real
leadership
comes
from.
If
there's
a
there's
a
compelling
reason
to
make
changes
in
the
plan
as
it
now
exists,
it
seems
that
it
should
come
out
of
the
the
same
kind
of
body
of
people
and
process
and
participation
that
created
the
original
plan.
Otherwise,
there's
a
severe
notion
of
being
overwritten
not
listened
to
not.
W
We
want
to
be
involved
in
it
nobody's
saying
you
know
not
in
my
backyard,
we're
saying
this
needs
to
be
done
carefully
and
in
consideration
with
the
same
kind
of
support
and
integration
that
the
overlay
district
did
now
exist
took
to
create
that
the
comprehensive
plan
that
took
to
create
this
is
a
little
bit
too
too
quick
without
actually
perhaps
the
kind
of
changes
that
need
to
be
made
or
the
kind
of
changes
that
this
project
can
address,
and
I
think
we're
all
realizing.
X
Thank
you
very
much
good
afternoon,
mayor
members
of
city
council,
I'm
hoping
you
all
can
hear
me
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
appear
before
you.
I
appear
before
you
on
behalf
of
the
neighborhood
associations
of
charlotte
street,
and
there
are
four
of
them
that
exist
and
the
letter
that
you
receive,
which
I
think
is
well
written
and
explains
exactly
where
this
neighborhood
is
coming
from.
X
I
think
the
previous
callers
started
with
mr
hornaday
and
finishing
with
corber
there.
Those
are
serious
comments
that
come
from
a
number
of
different
neighbors,
while
all
of
them
can't
speak
in
an
hour's
meeting.
X
Yes,
there
are
occasions
where
things
happen
where
variances
are
granted,
but
on
this
scale
this
is
a
substantial
change,
one
that
should
require
the
city,
the
charlotte
street
overlay
and
the
udo
to
be
amended
prior
to
any
decision
being
made.
X
When
you
look
at
the
plan
beautiful
building
great
project,
if
you
hear
the
arguments
made
by
the
neighbors,
not
so
much
against
the
developer,
but
against
the
process,
the
process
where
the
neighbors
met-
and
you
have
a
charlotte
street
overlay-
you
have
a
comprehensive
plan
when
the
comments
at
the
planning
and
zoning
and
comments
are
made
that
well
in
a
perfect
world,
we
could
have
made
these
changes
except
the
city
doesn't
have
the
resources
to
be
able
to.
I.
X
I
Lopez
ivanya
and
thank
you
for
having
me
be
part
of
this
meeting.
I
have
not
been
on
a
meeting
like
this
before
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
someone
can
hear
me
if
someone
cannot
or
not.
I
I
My
bedroom
window
looks
out
directly
to
the
fuddruckers
building,
as
do
many
of
my
adjacent
neighbors
windows
and,
as
you
can
probably
tell
by
where
I
live,
and
what
I've
said.
I
have
a
personal
interest
in
this
development,
but
also
a
big
picture
interest
in
how
development
affects
asheville
in
general.
I
I
So
really,
what
this
looks
like
if
the
conditional
zone
gets
passed
is
that
first
of
all,
buildings
are
not
set
back
from
the
property
lines
they
are.
They
will
they're
set
back
15
feet
from
the
property
lines,
but
so
what
that
looks
like
is
that
you
have
one-story
residential
home,
directly
adjacent
to
52
feet
of
brick,
monolith,
okay
and
also
there's
a
scale
involved.
It's
not
just
52
feet
or
five
stories.
I
The
other
way
that
it
looks
is
that
the
buildings
are
not
step
back
or
terrorists.
They're
they're,
just
right
there
adjacent
to
the
to
each
of
these
residential
units
right
so
you'll
have
a
one-story
home
next
to
a
five-story,
brick
building
there.
Also,
when
a
development
like
this
and
looking
at
the
plans,
what
happens
is
that
there's
insufficient
landscape
buffers
to
accommodate
large
deciduous
trees?
I
Thank
you,
hi.
Thank
you,
mayor
and
city
council
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I'm
dr
vivienne
warsaw.
I
live
right
off
charlotte
street,
on
blair
street
and,
besides
being
a
stakeholder,
I'm
a
practicing
audiologist
and
I
teach
hearing
conservation.
I
So
my
concerns
are
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
technical,
but
I
don't
know
if
you
all
have
this
type
of
information.
I
feel
comfortable
presenting
the
impact
increase
of
the
ambient
noise
flow
with
the
increase
of
traffic.
There
was
a
study
that
was
done.
It
was
a
federal
study
and
when
they
looked
at
what
was
the
average
effect
of
neighborhoods
with
increase
of
traffic
in
the
study,
they
had
five
standards,
vehicle
types,
automobiles,
medium
trucks,
heavy
trucks,
buses
and
motorcycles
voila.
That
is
charlotte
street.
I
I
So
if
you
keep
doubling
the
amount
of
sound
from
traffic
noise,
the
amount
of
db
goes
up
in
that
physics
law
of
sound.
Now
the
problem
with
that
is
that
trucks,
if
you
throw
a
truck
in
the
mix
it
it
all,
bets,
are
off
and
one
truck
is
equal
to
10
cars.
So
when
you
try
whoever
the
acoustic
engineer
is
they
have
to
do
some
special
math
that
I'd
like
to
see,
there's
also
the
inverse
square
law
same
thing:
it
works
for
there.
I
That's
physics,
you
you
double
the
distance
from
the
sound
source
and
what
happens
is
that
the
sound
does
decrease,
but
all
bets
are
off
if
there's
traffic
that
doesn't
apply.
So
the
next
thing
I'm
going
to
do
is
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
communication.
What
happens
when
you
increase
the
ambient
noise
level?
The
squelch
effect
comes
in,
which
is
a
cocktail
party
speech,
we're
in
neighborhood
that
we
sit
on
our
porch
and
we
cultivate
relationships.
I
I
have
a
beautiful
backyard
and
that's
what
attracted
me
to
my
house.
I
go
to
taco
temple.
I
sit
outside
with
my
neighbors.
However,
you
increase
that
sound
and
the
ambient
noise
and
the
squelch
effect
comes
in,
which
means
the
ability
to
listen
to
a
message
with
a
competing
message.
No
one
will
be
sitting
outside
relaxing.
I
So
that's
a
real
big
concern.
When
you
talk
about
the
quality
of
life
and
issues,
another
real
quick
is
the
wildlife
concerns
adverse
effects
of
traffic
noise
on
wildlife,
where
it's
further
investigation.
There
are
serious
concerns
about
noise
interfering
with
wildlife,
communication,
migration,
reproduction,
the
target
travels
through
wildlife
areas,
and
do
you
have
the
adequate
tools
to
evaluate
related
impacts
and
abatement
safety?
Oh
my
gosh,
I
take
my
life
and
my
old
hands
going
to
taco
temple
buzzing.
The
street
are
going
to
dr
luke,
so
safety
is
a
big
issue.
Y
Thank
you
mayor
vice
mayor
city,
council
members,
my
name
is
gary
davis
and
I
live
with
my
wife
in
the
charlotte
street
neighborhood
about
two
blocks
from
the
proposed
development.
I'm
an
asheville-based
attorney
practicing
environmental
and
land
use
law,
and
I
did
provide
some
detailed
written
comments
which
I
hope
you've
had
the
opportunity
to
review.
Y
I'm
going
to
focus
and
take
my
limited
time
to
focus
on
a
couple
of
points
you
know.
First
of
all,
I
want
the
city
council
to
think
about
the
position
that
you're
being
asked
to
adopt
here,
you're
being
asked
to
adopt
the
position
that
conditional
zoning
can
override
an
overlay
district
and
if
you
look
at
the
udo,
it
specifies
what
happens
when
overlaid
district
regulations
conflict
with
those
for
underlying
zoning
districts
and
make
no
mistake
about
it.
Y
The
conditional
zoning
to
in
this
particular
case
to
the
commercial
mixed
use
is
an
underlying
zoning
district,
as
is
specified
in
the
udo.
But
if
that's
the
case,
if
it's
the
case
that
conditional
zoning
can
supersede
a
an
overlay
district,
then
what
happens
in
the
hotel
overlay
district.
That
city
council
recently
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
on
can
conditional
zoning
come
in
to
the
hotel
overlay
district
and
supersede
the
public
benefits
that
are
required
and
all
the
conditions
that
are
required
for
a
new
hotel
in
the
hotel
overlord
district.
Y
District
cannot
become
an
underlying
district
as
a
result
of
conditional.
Zoning
ubo
is
clear
on
that.
So
you've
heard
how
the
conditional
zoning,
in
this
case,
conflicts
with
the
udo
and
particularly
with
the
overlay
district
standards.
It
would
result
in
a
building-
that's
seven
to
nine
times
bigger
than
the
building
sizes
permitted
in
the
transition
overlay
and
a
building
that's
two
times
as
high
is
as
permitted.
Y
W
Y
District
also
incentivizes,
affordable
housing,
so
there's
no
need
to
jump
into
a
conditional
zoning
and
throw
out
the
udo
as
it's
written
in
order
to
provide
for
affordable
housing.
And
finally,
I
want
to
aggressive
point
that
ms
tuck
made
about
the
consistency
with
the
living
actual
comprehensive
plan
and
the
future
land
use
map.
Just
if
I
can
just
briefly
state
this,
please
look
at.
Z
All
right
mayor
vice
mayor
esteem,
city,
council,
members
again,
thank
you
all
so
much
first
of
all
for
everything
you
all
do
for
our
city.
I
would
not
not
envious
of
your
position.
Z
I
would
I
live
on
baird
street
right
off
of
charlotte
street,
just
up
the
hill
from
floodwrecker
site
and
as
a
local
person
who
was
right
in
the
immediate
area.
I
want
to
add
my
voice
to
the
growing
list
of
people
who
live
in
this
immediate
area,
who
are
just
not
in
favor
of
the
project
as
it
stands,
y'all
have
heard
a
lot
of
fantastic
eloquent
arguments
already
by
folks
who
have
called
in.
Z
I
don't
think
I
have
a
whole
lot
to
add
just
to
reiterate
everything
that
they've
said,
but
also
to
say
we,
the
people
who
live
in
this
area.
We
want
to
be
excited
about
a
project
we
want
to
be
in
support
of
it
and
right
now
it
does
not
have
the
support
of
the
community,
the
local
community,
the
people
who
live
in
the
immediate
area,
and
so
we
want
to
be
excited.
I've
got
three
kids.
I
would
love
to
be
excited
about
a
project
where
I
feel
safe
and
comfortable.
Z
You
know
walking
down
the
street
with
my
kids
one
day,
but
right
now
as
it
stands,
it's
not
not
what's
presented
so
again.
I
would
just
reiterate
everything
that's
been
said
so
far
again.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
everything
you
do
for
our
city,
but
I
would
encourage
you
to
vote
no
on
the
project
as
it
stands.
Thank
you
so
much.
A
Do
we
have
any
other
callers
in
the
queue?
No
mayor?
That's
all!
Okay!
I
will
now
close
the
public
hearing
before
we
and
I
see
we've
got
a
couple
hands
raised.
I
I
I
just
some
of
the
things
I
heard.
If
I
could
just
ask
a
couple
questions
of
staff
and
then
I'll
ask
you
guys
what
your
questions
are.
Shannon
do
we
have
any.
You
know
we
heard
a
little
bit
about
traffic
and
the
potential
traffic
increase
from
this
project.
A
Do
we
have
any
concept
of
the
traffic
that
fuddruckers
generated
when
it
was
operational?
I
I
think
it
had
lunch
and
dinner
service
versus
the
traffic
generated
by
an
apartment,
complex
of
this
size.
Do
we
have
any
notion
about
how
that
compares.
T
That
is
a
great
question
that
would
be
great
data
to
have
I
I
do
not
have
that
information.
I
believe
ken
putnam,
our
traffic
engineer
is
standing
by.
Maybe
he
just
knows
roughly
how
those
two
uses
compare.
I'm
I'm
not
really
sure.
T
That
a
a
high
turnover
restaurant
like
fuddruckers,
would
also
require
a
traffic
impact
analysis.
I
mean
that
that
has
come
up
in
other
projects,
so
I
think
they're
they're
both
traffic
generators,
so
that
it
could
be
somewhat
comparable,
but
I'm
not
clear.
AA
Good
evening,
mayor
and
city
council
members,
I
don't
have
specific
data,
but
I
would
say
that
for
a
flood,
rutgers
type
restaurant,
of
course
its
main
peak-
would
have
been
in
the
lunch
peak
hour
for
sure
and
also
probably
the
evening
peak
hour
compared
to
or
say
essentially
an
apartment,
complex
or
or
or
somewhere.
You
live
that
the
peaks
would
be
the
am
peak
and
then
the
the
afternoon
peak,
not
not
the
lunchtime
peak.
I
do
know
that
bud.
Ruck
was
had
been
there
for
a
good
number
of
years.
AA
It
was
very
popular
place
and
so
it's
safe
to
say
that
the
traffic
volumes
during
the
lunch
hour
were
probably
pretty
equivalent
to
what
they
could
possibly
be
with
this
project.
I
would
note
that
some
of
the
concerns
that
I
heard
in
the
public
hearing
was
other
projects
that
may
come
down.
AA
You
know
the
road
in
the
future,
but
that's
that's
the
only
data
that
I
have,
because
I
think
the
flood
records
have
been
there
so
long
that
when
it
was
approved,
I'm
not
even
sure
if
a
traffic
study
was
required
at
the
time,
but
it
definitely
would
be
if
we
were
to
look
at
another
fuddruckers
today.
A
AA
Yes,
I
think
that
that's
as
far
as
the
peak
goes
I
I
would
definitely
agree
with
you
on
that.
AA
A
One
other
pro
question
that
came
up
about
a
house
on
broad
street,
shannon
that
backs
up
to
this
project.
Can
you
talk
about
what
buffering
would
would?
I
think
I
saw
it
on
the
site
plan
that
there
is
buffering
landscape,
buffering,
planned
for
the
project
between
the
project
and
the
back
side
of
broad
street
housing.
T
Yeah-
and
I
I
probably
should
have
taken
a
moment
to
point
that
out
on
the
site
plan,
the
the
illustration
that
I
showed
earlier
is
is
just
sort
of
a
a
colored
graphic,
rendering
the
the
actual
technical
documents
kind
of
busy
looking.
So
it's
a
little
bit
chaotic
to
try
to
decipher,
but
there
is
a
30
foot
landscape
buffer
between
this
project
and
the
adjacent
residentially
zoned
properties.
T
The
same
kind
of
buffer
would
not
be
required
between
this
project
and
the
commercially
zoned
properties,
and
it
does.
It
is
adjacent
to
some
of
those
as
well.
However,
this
project
still
provides
not
30
feet,
but
maybe
20
feet
or
so
of
buffering
adjacent
to
those
uses
as
well,
and
that's
a
mix
that
that
landscape
buffer
is
a
mix
of
evergreen
and
deciduous
trees
and
large
and
small
and
and
evergreen
and
deciduous
shrubs.
So
it's
a
pretty
dense
buffer.
A
And
and
the
on
the
broad
street
side
it
look,
I've
noticed
just
walking
that
neighborhood
a
lot
that
some
of
the
housing
there
has
changed.
So
some
a
single
family
home,
but
it
looks
like
there
are
also
some
multi-family
well
buildings.
I
think,
on
broad
street
on
that
back
side
as
well.
At
this
point,
I
don't
know
if
you
know.
T
There
is
a
little
bit
so
the
the
properties
that
are
closest
to
charlotte
street
have
gone
through
their
own
conditional
zoning
process
to
allow
there
was
a
there
was
a
project
just
before
council,
I
think
in
the
last
six
months
or
so
or
this
last
year
before
conditional
zoning
that
that
project
has
not
broken
ground,
but
if,
but
when
it
does,
I
think
it
was
four
stories
and
had
a
mix
of
office
and
residential
uses,
so
this
project
would
be
directly
adjacent
to
those
properties
as
well.
A
Okay,
thanks
and
I
think.
H
Yes,
thanks
mayor,
I
guess
this
question
watch
off
too
probably
for
paul
first
is:
is
this
the
highest
earning
census
track?
And
secondly,
when
was
the
last
time
we've
approved,
affordable
housing
in
this
census
tract.
S
So
I
can
do
a
quick
search
on
that
counseling
mostly,
but
I
do
believe
it's
one
of
our
higher
income
census
tracts.
I
can
do
a
quick,
hud
search
on
that
and
check
that
out.
I
am
not
aware
shannon
might
be
able
to
help
me
out
too,
of
any
affordable
housing.
S
T
So
there
are
two
projects:
the
two
conditional
zoning
projects
on
broad
street
that
I
just
referred
to-
that
are
the
mixed
use,
three
to
four
story
buildings
they
have.
They
did
include
some
affordable
housing,
but
it
was
very
small.
Like
one
unit
two
units,
I
think
one
project
had
one
or
two
units,
the
other
one
had
two
or
three
units.
So
just
a
very
few
numbers,
the
other
more
significant
in
size,
affordable
housing
project
would
be
the
larchmont
on
merriman,
so
not
right
in
this
neighborhood,
but
but
not.
I
Up
sorry,
I
had
a
little
new
problem,
I'm
just
curious
for
staff,
and
maybe
ken
since
he's
with
us
when
we
were
reviewing
and
hearing
from
community
members
on
the
last
large
project
on
the
street,
it
was
consistently
brought
up
that
they
thought.
As
residents
of
the
area,
there
were
some
simple
improvements
that
could
be
made
to
the
traffic
lighting
and
I'm
just
wondering
when,
as
a
community,
we
review
this.
For
their
sake.
I
I
think
the
example
I
recall
the
most
was
that
if
you
were
driving
down
chestnut
towards
merriman
from
charlotte,
there
is
not
a
left
turn
green
signal
for
going
left
on
merriman,
which
apparently
creates
some
kind
of
congestion
in
the
area.
So
you
know
whether
that
intersection
is
a
problem
or
not.
I'm
just
wondering
if
there
is
an
opportunity
for
the
community
to
weigh
in
on
that
or
how
often
we
look
at
traffic
light
patterns
and
timing
or.
T
That
might
be
a
question
that
mr
putnam
can
answer
better
than
I,
but
I
know,
for
instance,
merriman
avenue
is,
is
a
d.o.t,
controlled
road
and
so
changes
to
traffic
signals
affecting
their
roadways
would,
I'm
sure,
have
to
be
approved
by
them,
and
I
don't
recall
if
the
traffic
study
for
this
project
got
that
far
it
looked
at
the
intersections
around
the
project
area.
I
don't
know,
I
can't
recall
if
it
included
that
one
or
not
ken
may
have
more
to
share.
AA
Ken
sorry
took
me
a
little
while
this
is
ken
putnam,
again
transportation,
environment,
sage,
that's
a
that's
a
very
good
question
and
what
we
try
to
do.
Unfortunately,
we
can't
we're
not
in
a
proactive
position
where
we
can,
on
a
regular
basis,
review
various
intersections
to
see
if
the
time
is
going
to
be
improved,
but
we
try
to
react
to
concerns
that
we
get
from
the
public
and
try
to
look
at
individual
ones.
From
that
standpoint,
shannon
is
right.
AA
AA
And
then,
if
they
were
to
change
it,
then
that
means
each
side
would
get
their
turn
to
go
and
then
what
that
does?
Is
it
takes
green
time
away
from
the
main
line?
So
it's
something
that
would
have
a
compounding
effect
to
other
intersections
that
have
to
be
analyzed,
but
we
can
certainly
you
know.
We
can
certainly
ask
the
dlt
for
something
like
that
in
general
and
we
work
together
because
we
meet
with
them
on
a
monthly
basis
to
discuss
pedestrian
and
bicycle
issues,
including
what
we
can
do
to
improve
signals.
T
I
looked
up
the
traffic
study
and
it
does
look
at
the
intersection
of
us,
25
and
chestnut
street.
It's
it
just
says.
The
traffic
operations
at
the
intersection
are
anticipated
to
be
acceptable
for
both
am
and
am
and
pm
peak
hours
for
the
build-out
conditions.
So
I
don't
think
they
were
anticipating
worsening
of
the
condition.
I
And
I
imagine
as
more
projects
approach
this
area
that
will
increase.
I
wonder,
can
I
think,
that's
wonderful.
If
there's
a
chance
to
talk
to
them
monthly,
this
community
has
been
fairly
organized
in
petitioning.
I
wonder
if
they
can
also
is
there
an
opportunity
for
them
to
reach
out
to
dod
in
some
way.
AA
Yes,
they
can
and
that
best
contact
would
be
the
division
traffic
engineer,
who
is
anna
henderson
and
if
anyone
that's
listening,
needs
that
contact
information.
If
they
would
just
send
me
an
email,
I
would
be
happy
to
send
it.
I'm
thinking,
especially,
I
think,
will
was
on
and
some
of
the
other
community
groups
I'll
be
glad
to
furnish
to
them
and
they
can
get
it
out
to
their
folks.
G
Didn't
you
also
say
ken
that
you
were
looking
at
the
parking
situation
on
chestnut
street
because
it
it
you
know,
sometimes
you
get
to
just
one
car
being
able
to
go
through
and
weren't.
You
is
in
the
city,
taking
a
look
and
trying
to
figure
out.
Maybe
you
only
allow
parking
on
one
side
of
the
street.
Wasn't
that
something
that
you've
told
me
about
before.
AA
Yes,
that's
correct,
gwen
and
what
we've
been
doing-
and
that
was
when
the
when
the
previous
traffic
engineer
was
here.
He
had
started
that
process
of
what
we
were
even
thinking
about
doing
was
physically
marking
the
parking
spaces
and
alternating
them
up
and
down
the
street,
so
that
we
could
still
have
a
clear
pathway,
but
we
just
had
not
implemented
it.
Yet
it's
probably
about
80
complete
and
once
we
get
the
new
traffic
engineer
up
to
speed,
we'll
probably
pick
that
project
back
up.
F
J
Thank
you.
So
I'm
looking
at
plans
and
evaluations
exhibit
d
pages
12
through
14.,
and
one
of
the
things
that
was
brought
up
by
the
callers
was
the
transition
from
charlotte
street
back
into
the
neighborhood
that
it
would
be
five
stories
where
it
met
the
neighborhood.
But
that's
not
what
I'm
seeing
so
is
there.
Is
it
possible
for
staff
to
confirm
what
the
transition
height
will
be
by
the
time
it
gets
to
that
30
foot
buffer?
A
Okay,
we
have
a
two-part
voting
process
for
this
evening
and
so
the
first,
the
first
vote
we
need
is
a
motion
and
a
second
regarding
the
land
use
incentive
grant
to
passenger
development
group
for
130
charlotte
street.
G
A
Is
gwen
now?
Second?
Okay,
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second
and
I'll.
Do
a
roll
call
vote?
Okay,
first,
councilwoman
kilgore.
N
A
I
myself,
I
and
vice
mayor
smith,
hi.
Okay,
thank
you.
Next,
do
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
conditional
rezoning
one
of
130
charlotte
street
from
community
business,
one
district
to
commercial
expansion,
conditional
zone.
C
D
Well,
no,
if
we
make
that
motion,
do
remember
that
there
is
an
edit
to
be
made
in
the
conditions
which
is
listed,
as
exhibit
e,
which
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
amending
the
motion
to
reflect
a
30-year
affordability
period.
A
F
C
R
A
R
F
A
Thank
you,
okay,
thank
you.
I
can't
see
maggie,
but
I
assume
she
got
all
that.
Okay.
That
concludes
our
public
hearings
agenda.
We
are
now
moving
on
with
our
agenda.
We
do
not
have
any
items
of
unfinished
business.
We
have
one
item
of
new
business
tonight
and
that
regards
boards
and
commissions.
So
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
the
vice
mayor
to
handle
this
portion
of
the
agenda.
M
All
right
boards
and
commissions
committee
met
this
morning
and
we
made
the
following
recommendations
for
appointments
for
the
board
of
adjustments.
There's
an
alternate
seat
open,
but
no
applicants
were
received.
The
applications
were
received,
so
the
clerk's
office
will
re-advertise
for
the
homeless
initiative
advisory
committee.
The
committee
rep
recommends
the
appointment
of
david
bartholomew.
M
Councilwoman
mosley,
I
mayor
mainheimer,
aye
councilwoman
kilgore.
N
G
J
I
do
for
the
human
relations
commission,
I'm
the
liaison
to
that
group,
and
I
know
that
we
have
a
recommendation
out
of
boards
and
commissions.
We
also
have
a
human
relations
commission
meeting
scheduled
for
next
week,
and
one
of
the
things
I
am
hearing
from
some
members
of
the
hrca
is
that
they
be
allowed
to
make
a
recommendation.
J
As
a
group,
we
have
ex
accepted
recommendations
from
the
group
instead
of
just
the
chair,
and
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
benefit
for
this
group,
especially
because
they
are
going
into
their
retreat
and
being
able
to
make
that
decision
together.
J
M
J
So
we
have
a
human
relations
commission
meeting
next
thursday.
My
ask
is
that
it
be
officially
on
the
agenda
so
that
the
group
could
make
a
recommendation
as
a
whole
instead
of
just
one
person,
and
then
that
recommendation
could
come
to
council
on
october
28th.
M
My
only
concern
with
that
is
that
this
commission
is
preparing
for
a
retreat
next
month
and
I
would
love
for
them
to
be
fully
staffed,
so
to
speak,
going
into
that
retreat
rather
delay
rather
than
delay.
So
with
the
motion
already
being
set,
is
there
a
second
did?
Was
there
a
second?
I
don't
know.
AB
M
Councilwoman
rony,
I
myself,
I
mayor
I
councilwoman
turner,
hi
councilwoman,
mosley,
hi,
helpful
woman,
whistler
aye
all
right.
The
motion
carries.
M
No,
no
okay,
yeah!
Thank
you.
M
M
R
M
M
R
M
Myself
I
councilwoman
turner,
hi
councilman
whistler,
hi,
councilwoman
mosley,
aye
mayor.
I,
alright.
The
motion
carries
moving
on
to
the
three
resident
seats.
The
committee
recommends
jeff
santiago
to
represent
west
asheville,
rick
freeman
east
asheville,
charles
beck
central
asheville.
Can
I
get
a
a
second
all
right?
We
had
a
tie
there
we'll
go
with
councilwoman,
kilgore
and
I'll.
Do
a
role
called
vote
for
approval,
councilman,
kilgore.
N
M
Counselor
whistler
I-
and
I
think
I
did
myself
but
I'll
just
say
I
again-
for
approval:
okay,
okay,
that's
that,
but
we're
moving
on
to.
We
made
a
decision
about
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
M
The
committee
recommends
interviewing
all
new
applicants
and
the
interviewees
who
could
not
make
the
last
interview
with
their
last
interviews,
the
the
appointments
will
be
held
on
october
26th
and
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
we're
going
to
have
us
a
portion
before
our
meeting
to
do
the
interviews
and
then
we'll
state
our
state.
The
final
appointments
during
our
meeting
exactly.
F
J
M
All
right,
thank
you
kim.
I
did
thank
you
maggie.
Thank
you
kim.
I
did
skip
one
seat
under
the
noise
advisory
board
and
let
me
see.
J
M
What
they
have
in
my
notes
is
a
little
typo,
so
for
the
restaurant
industry
we
have
james
corbin
harwood.
Can
I
get
a
a
second
second
all
right
I'll?
Do
a
roll
call
vote
for
approval,
councilman,
turner.
R
G
R
H
M
Mayor
I
and
myself
I,
the
motion
carries-
and
I
don't
have
it
here
in
my
nose
and
I
misplaced
there
was
a
final
seat
you
mentioned
kim.
Could
you
remind
me.
M
All
right
is
there,
I
guess
so
moved.
Can
I
get
a
second.
H
G
I
M
M
I
Mayor,
may
I
just
I
just
want
to
express
thank
you
to
the
boards
and
commissions
committee.
They
all
do
an
enormous
lift
for
all
of
us.
I
know
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
your
meetings
and
I
just
really
appreciate
it.
I
believe
that
is
vice
mayor
smith,
councilman,
mosley
and
councilman
rooney.
So
thank
you
to
the
three
of
you.
A
Okay,
so
this
brings
us
to
the
informal
discussion
of
public
comment
portion
of
the
thing
I
think.
A
Okay,
all
right
now
on
to
informal
discussion
and
public
comment,
staff
will
now
connect
live
calls
from
our
speaker
queue
for
informal
discussion
and
public
comment.
Again,
we
are
only
taking
callers
who
signed
up
in
advance
callers.
You
will
first
hear
staff
inform
counsel
that
you
are
next
to
speak.
Then
you
will
hear
an
automated
message,
letting
you
know
you
are
unmuted
and
live
in
the
meeting.
A
You
may
begin
speaking
after
the
automated
message,
if
you
accidentally
drop
out
of
the
speaker,
queue
just
redial
the
number
and
meeting
code
press
star
3
to
rejoin
the
speaker,
queue
you'll,
have
3
minutes
to
comment
and
at
the
end
of
the
3
minutes,
you'll
hear
a
bell
and
staff
will
ask
you
to
wrap
up
your
comment.
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
staff
to
manage
the
informal
discussion
of
public
comment
and
just
for
your
knowledge,
we
have
seven
people
signed
up
to
speak.
AC
Great,
thank
you.
Everyone.
Thank
you
mayor.
Vice
mayor
and
city
council
member,
my
name
is
ken
nelson.
I'm,
the
current
president
of
asheville
sister
city,
and
I'm
here
today
to
thank
you
for
your
recognition
of
our
organization
with
the
proclamation
that
we're
receiving
and
to
say
a
few
words
about
what
the
actual
sister
cities
have
been
up
to
during
this
pandemic.
AC
We
have
just
completed
a
very
ambitious
wheelchair
project
where
we
delivered
wheelchairs
to
three
different
cities
down
in
mexico,
including
valladolid
and
san
cristobal
de
la
casa,
two
of
our
sister
city,
and
we
are
actually
in
the
planning
stages
for
an
event
later
this
month
that
will
be
celebrating
aquaculture,
with
both
our
sister
city,
karkamiti,
greece,
as
well
as
with
a
shout
out
to
oshobo
nigeria.
AC
AC
It's
an
attempt
to
build
bridges
with
our
resident
around
the
globe
in
many
areas
and
to
sum
up
my
comments-
and
I
think
my
vice
president
and
the
incoming
president,
jessica
hopfield
will
also
be
speaking,
but
we
are
very
pleased
to
say
that
we
will
be
putting
up
a
sign
recognizing
the
seven
sister
cities
on
the
planet
and
that,
hopefully,
will
be
able
to
raise
the
profile
of
all
the
work
that
we're
doing
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
asheville.
So
thank
you
for
your
comment
and
I'll
leave
it.
There.
AB
Can
you
guys
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
hear
you
yeah
perfect,
thank
you
and
thanks
ken
for
that
introduction
and
thank
you.
Everyone
on
council,
for
allowing
us
this
time
to
speak
as
october
is
generally
asheville
sister
city's
month,
where
we
try
to
make
sure
that
our
community
really
understands
what
it
is
that
we're
doing.
AB
So
thank
you,
ken
for
kind
of
giving
an
overview
of
everything
that
we've
done
in
the
last
year,
and
I
look
forward
to
serving
you
all
in
2022
and
2023,
and
really
that
probably
sums
it
up.
But
thank
you.
U
U
Oh,
hey,
hey!
This
is
jonathan.
I
hope
that
didn't
get
interrupted.
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
second
to
acknowledge
this
historic
city
council,
historic
in
a
number
of
ways,
historic
for
being
the
first
all-female
council,
historic,
because
we
have
three
black
female
counselors
and
historic,
also
because
you're,
the
youngest
you're,
the
babies,
the
oldest
city
council,
of
course,
was
formed
in
1931
and
the
very
first
person
to
be
announced
as
a
candidate
for
our
new
council
manager.
Form
of
government
in
1931
was
a
woman.
U
She
was
listed
as
mrs
m
harris,
which
I
think
is
interesting,
because
that
would
be
a
moniker
for
our
current
mayor.
If
you
were
going
by
the
social
conventions
of
1931.,
the
citizen
times
describes
mrs
m
harris
as
a
prominent
club
woman
and
a
leader
in
the
fight
for
the
new
charter
new
city
charter.
U
Mrs
harris,
the
only
woman
to
file
yesterday
has
large
real
estate
holdings
in
buncombe
county.
She
operated
the
old
knickerbocker
boarding
house
on
college
street
on
the
site
of
the
present
courthouse
for
many
years.
She
was
active
in
securing
the
repeal
of
the
absentee
ballot
and
was
a
leader
in
the
charter
campaign.
Now
the
absentee
ballot
was
first
eliminated
for
municipal
elections
because
of
the
efforts
of
the
voters
in
buncombe,
county
and
asheville,
and-
and
we
set
a
precedent
in
doing
that.
U
Mrs
roney
had
mentioned
the
importance
of
setting
some
precedence
here
in
asheville
with
the
election
system
of
our
school
board.
U
I
would
implore
you
to
look
at
the
history
of
our
precedent,
setting
1931
political
activities,
including
the
repeal
of
absentee
ballots
in
municipal
elections
and
in
1915
asheville
became
the
first
city
to
abolish
our
ward
system
of
the
of
elections,
so
in
1937
the
red
lining
that
everybody
is
talking
about
was
done
by
a
man
named
william
coleman
and
that
very
same
william
coleman
was
involved
in
the
1931
election
and
formation
of
our
council
manager
form
of
government.
U
AD
Thank
you.
I
am
speaking
to
you
today
on
behalf
of
myself
and
my
neighbors
living
at
the
intersection
of
montford
avenue
and
juanetta.
The
sinkhole
in
the
driveway
of
the
rental
property
at
271.
Montford
avenue
is
placing
our
homes
at
risk.
At
the
time
the
sinkhole
opened.
I
was
told
by
the
storm
water
operations
manager
that,
because
it
was
on
private
land,
they
would
notify
the
homeowners
who
would
be
compelled
to
take
action
in
the
82
days
since
the
sinkhole
opened
on
july.
AD
What
might
distinguish
this
sinkhole
from
others
around
the
city
is
that
it
is
caused
by
a
failing
storm
water
culvert
that
exists
almost
exclusively
to
carry
city
storm
water
from
montford
avenue,
because
of
this
it
poses
two
risks
to
our
properties.
The
first
is
the
continuing
expansion
of
the
sinkhole,
which
has
already
engulfed
the
sidewalk
and
is
on
the
edge
of
my
property
threatening
my
home.
AD
The
second
is
the
blockage
of
the
storm
water
culver.
This
culvert
is
the
only
stormwater
collection
point
for
almost
half
mile
of
montford
avenue
from
chestnut
to
watauga
handling
a
huge
amount
of
water
during
heavy
rains
when
the
cohort
was
briefly
blocked
by
the
sinkhole
debris
during
the
downpour
last
thursday,
the
storm
drains
backed
up
to
the
street
and
several
nearby
homes
flooded,
including
my
own,
we're
asking
two
things.
AD
We
asked
for
the
urgent
intervention
of
the
city
in
the
repair
of
the
stormwater
culver
the
corporation
that
owns
the
rental
property,
is
entirely
unresponsive
to
the
neighbors.
So
we
have
no
information.
The
city
replies
to
my
inquiries.
This
point
has
been
to
quote
regulations
and
decline,
involvement.
AD
We
also
ask
that
the
city
conduct
a
thorough
review
and
develop
a
new
stormwater
plan
from
montford
avenue
over
a
century
ago.
The
developers
of
our
properties
may
have
installed
this
culvert,
but
was
the
road
even
paved
at
that
time?
The
city
has
since
installed
four
huge
storm
drain
openings
to
utilize
this
culvert
and
it's
unclear.
What
else
may
have
changed
in
the
intervening
century?
AD
Should
the
stormwater
be
divorced,
diverted
from
other
points
along
montford
avenue
is
my
question.
What
else
could
also
be
done
in
closing?
I
just
want
to
really
encourage
you
to
take
this
seriously
for
two
and
a
half
months.
This
has
tortured
us
and
we'd
very
much
like
to
see
it
resolved.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
I'm
gonna
ask
the
city
manager
to
provide
some
information
about
that,
I'm
familiar
with
that.
I've
walked
momfor
recently
and
saw
that
sinkhole,
and
I
know
that
it
originates
on
private
property,
but
it
does
look
like
it's
beginning
to
undermine
not
only
the
neighboring
property
but
the
sidewalk
and
public
right
of
way.
So
I
know
my
city
manager's
on
here
and
I'll
ask
for
some
information
about
that
and
what,
if
any
city
involvement
will
be
expected
in
that
situation,
we'll.
AE
Greenson,
the
public
comment
process
continues
to
be
an
equitable
obstacle
course
and
in
order
to
be
heard
on
the
reparations
process,
you
have
to
wait
hours
and
hours
until
the
very
end
of
the
meeting
and
in
the
end,
I'm
going
to
be
the
only
person
to
speak
to
this
issue
tonight,
and
is
that
really
what
we
want
just
hearing
from
one
white
man
rather
than
the
thousands
of
people
who
need
to
be
heard
from?
I
know
I've
raised
this
point
of
public
comment
so
many
times
before.
I
can't
help
it.
AE
I
know
this
isn't
something
that
you
all
are
interested
in
changing,
but
I
just
can't
help
but
raise
it.
I
mainly
wanted
to
speak
out
tonight
about
the
the
composition
of
the
reparations
commission
and
what
that
says
about
who
matters
in
this
reparations
process.
City
council
is
going
to
pick
six
representatives.
That's
almost
a
one-to-one
ratio.
Each
city
council
member,
will
almost
get
their
own
representative
on
this
commission.
AE
AE
AE
So
you
know.
Basically,
if
you
do
the
math,
if
you're
a
member
of
city
council,
your
voice
in
this
process
amounts
to
almost
a
full
representative.
If
you're
a
member
of
one
of
the
four
named
neighborhoods,
your
voice
is
valued
at
.0005
of
a
representative
and
if
you're,
not
a
member
of
those
neighborhoods,
you
could
easily
end
up
with
nothing.
AE
My
point
in
saying
all
this
is
that
it
speaks
very
loudly
about
whose
voices
are
considered
the
most
important
in
this
reparations
process.
The
whole
process
is
supposed
to
be
a
sacred
one
that
addresses
the
fact
that
black
lives
and
voices
haven't
mattered
in
this
town
for
hundreds
of
years.
But
what
this
process
is
demonstrating
is
that
those
lies
that
matter
still
don't
matter
very
much.
AE
I
don't
think
you
can
have
a
legitimate
process
of
explanations
when
sixty
percent
of
black
asheville
will
have
little
to
no
representation,
and
you
all
have
a
lot
of
power
and
discretion
in
this
process,
and
I
want
you
to
reconsider
that.
There's
nothing
prevents
you
from
cleaning
black
asparagus
choose
all
of
the
commission
members.
I
don't
think
that
you
all
think
that
your
voices
are
thousands
of
times
more
important
in
this
process
than
that
of
black
community
members.
AE
You
can
show
us
all
whose
voices
you
consider
most
important
by
telling
ms
jones
and
ms
mills
in
this
campbell,
but
you
don't
want
to
pick
six
members
of
the
commission
yourself,
you
wanna
your
voice.
Is
you
don't
want
your
voices
to
drown
out
that
of
black
asheville?
You
want
ms
jones
to
design
a
truly
representative
commission
selected
by
a
transparent
process
that
lifts
up
every
every
every
black
voice
in
the
city,
instead
of
one
that
prioritizes
your
voices
and
it
continues
to
marginalize
almost
all
the
black
people
in
this
town.
A
Council,
I
believe
that
was
our
last
caller.
Is
that
right
staff
yep?
That's
correct,
okay!
Folks!
That
concludes
our
agenda.
If
there's
not
anything
else,
we
will
be
adjourned
until
our
next
meeting,
which
is
october
26th
right
maggie,
that's
right.
Okay
and,
of
course,
as
usual,
everyone
will
wear
a
costume
to
that
meeting
right
just.
A
All
right,
that's
usually
what
we
do
all
right.