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From YouTube: City Council Meeting – September 12, 2023
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Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council.
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A
C
Okay,
good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
Asheville
city
council
meeting
just
a
couple
of
housekeeping
items.
If
you
could
make
sure
to
mute,
your
cell
phones
out
in
the
hall,
we
have
a
table
where
you
can
sign
up
to
speak
tonight.
If
you
miss
the
opportunity
to
sign
up
to
speak
and
during
the
meeting
you
decide,
you
want
to
do
that.
C
Councilwoman
Kim
Roney
is
not
feeling
well
tonight,
so
she
is
actually
attending
by
phone.
There
is
literally
a
phone
over
here
at
her
microphone,
so
she
she,
when
council
members,
are
attending
by
phone.
They
are
not
able
to
vote
on
items,
but
they
are
able
to
participate
in
the
meeting
and
participate
in
the
discussion.
C
So
gonna
wait
for.
C
Just
prior
to
this
meeting
just
moments
ago,
the
council
had
a
closed
session
meeting
and
we
and,
as
has
been
reported,
we
were
discussing
a
number
of
items,
but
I
have
a
statement
that
I'm
going
to
read
following
that
meeting
and
that
we're
also
going
to
release.
So,
if
you're,
a
member
of
the
press
and
you're
trying
to
type
this
out,
don't
worry
we're
going
to
send
this
out
as
well.
C
In
addition,
as
the
manager's
contract
is
approaching
its
first
renewal
period,
the
council
has
worked
together
to
set
goals
and
priorities
with
the
manager
as
we
move
into
the
two-year
renewal
period,
beginning
December
2023.,
the
council
recognizes
manager,
Campbell's
strong
leadership
and
strategic
Focus
during
historically
challenging
times
and
celebrates
accomplishments
and
has
identified
ongoing
City
challenges.
The
council
looks
forward
to
continuing
our
work
with
manager,
Campbell
and
building
Upon
Our
work
to
date
and
focusing
on
our
efforts
going
our
efforts
ongoing
efforts
rather
to
address
the
needs
of
the
community
and
the
City.
C
So
that
is
a
statement
from
all
Council.
Following
our
closed
session
and
again
that
will
be
released
here
momentarily,
so
it
will
be
made
publicly
available.
I
see,
Kim
is
working
on
that.
Okay.
So
now
to
our
our
planned
agenda,
we
have
one
Proclamation
on
our
agenda
for
this
evening
and
that
is
declaring
September
12
2023
is
Mana
Food
Bank
day
and
council
member
Sage
is
going
to
present
that
and
I
have
here
that
Dr
Claire
Nick
may
be
here.
D
E
G
E
D
F
F
You
know,
Mana
only
works,
because
so
many
people
in
our
community
contribute
to
this
shared
mission
of
ending
hunger
and
we
are
so
blessed
and
grateful
to
live
in
a
community
where
there
are
so
many
people
who
care
deeply
about
this
work
and
are
willing
to
to
put
in
the
effort
to
make
sure
that
their
neighbors
have
food
on
their
plates
each
night.
So,
thank
you
all
for
the
recognition
and
thanks
to
everyone
for
being
part
of
this
mission,.
C
Okay,
the
next
on
our
agenda
is
the
consent
agenda
and
I
have
a
request
from
councilwoman
Roney
to
consider
item
f
separately.
So
can
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent,
the
consent
agenda,
minus
item
f.
I
H
Agenda
briefing
about
this
item:
s
with
the
right-of-way
adjacent
to
100,
Craven
Street,
and
my
original
question
was
and
I
just
went
to
look
and
see
what
this
looks
like.
That
corner
is
currently
a
landing
in
the
absence
of
the
sidewalk
we've
got
folks
going
to
and
from
the
Emma
Community
from
the
River
Art
District
West
Asheville.
H
It's
on
the
way
to
the
rad
Greenways
and
a
connection
to
Transit
and
grocery
so
I
know
we
got
a
response,
but
can
that
speak
to
ensuring
that
we
will
eventually
have
a
sidewalk
on
that
corner?
Yeah.
C
This
is
a
little
bit
confusing
and
I
see.
Staff
is
here.
The
triangle
is
not
within
the
sidewalk
right
away.
It's
actually
off
to
the
side,
so
it
doesn't
affect
the
ability
to
put
in
the
the
closing
of
the
triangle
doesn't
affect
the
ability
to
put
in
a
sidewalk,
but
I
think
what
councilwoman
Rooney
is
asking
about
is
what
are
the
plans
to
put
in
a
sidewalk
in
this
area,
regardless
of
a
disclosure
question
I
understand
correctly.
I
So
I
can
speak
to
the
corner
where
this
project
is
located,
and
my
understanding
is
that
the
project,
which
is
a
level
two,
is
required
to
provide
sidewalks.
So
there
will
be
sidewalk
along
both
frontages
Frontage
of
Craven
and
the
frontage
of
Hazel,
Mill
and
but
I
I.
Do
not
believe
that
we
have
any
plans
for
at
this
moment
for
the
property
on
the
north
side
of
Hazel
Mill,
but
there
are
sidewalks
across
the
street
on
Craven
Street
on
both
sides.
I
believe.
J
J
Purposes
as
well,
this
item
on
the
agenda
is
only
to
set
the
public
hearing
for
us
to
consider
this
closure
so.
C
C
I
won't
open,
so
we
have
one
person
so
for
tonight
and
as
with
every
night,
when
you
make
public
comment,
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
speak
and
if
you'll
just
watch
the
lights
on
the
lectern
green
means
go.
Orange
means
you're,
getting
close
to
the
end
and
red
means
stop.
So
we
have
one
person
signed
up
to
speak
under
the
consent
agenda
tonight
and
that
is
Grace
Baron.
G
I
came
here
tonight
to
comment
on
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting
two
weeks
ago,
I
watched
from
afar
heart
and
by
the
community
that
came
to
tell
you
once
again
that
this
panhandling
ordinance
has
not
aligned
with
our
values
and
will
make
life
harder
from
people
who
are
struggling
to
survive
in
our
unaffordable
city
as
frustrated
and
disgusted
as
I
get
with
the
actions
of
this
Council
hearing.
My
neighbors
speak
from
a
place
of
Love,
reminding
me
once
again
that
your
policies
are
not
who
we
are.
G
It
is
innately
human
to
ask
for
help
in
our
Collective
care
is
what
has
allowed
us
to
survive
as
a
species
I
heard,
the
threat
of
the
Human
family
run
deeply
through
the
words
of
my
neighbors
I,
even
heard
it
from
your
nine-year-old
daughter
Maggie.
When
you
share
this,
she
wants
to
hand
snacks
out
the
windows
to
those
who
she
can
see
need.
One
now
you've
claimed
to
change
your
position
on
criminalizing
this
Behavior
too.
When
really
the
harsher
changes
you
wanted
simply
wouldn't
hold
up,
listen
to
your
child
Maggie.
She
knows
that.
G
The
very
reason
she
exists
is
because
of
the
care
for
her
needs
that
you
give
her
and
I'm
sure
many
others
have
participated
in
that
too,
and
she
knows
that
all
people
need
to
have
their
needs
met
to
survive
and
thrive.
I
know
what
so
many
of
my
neighbors
know
that
this
ordinance
has
no
place
in
our
community.
Most
people
didn't
even
realize
we
had
this
ordinance
to
begin
with,
and
now
that
the
cops
have
decided
they
want
to
enforce
it.
G
The
City
attorney
is
making
changes
to
make
it
enforceable
due
to
the
many
court
cases
that
clearly
state
that
panhandling
has
protected
speech
under
the
First
Amendment.
You
know
it's
bad
this
time
when
even
Brad
has
to
tell
you
all
to
reel
back
your
expansion,
because
your
ideas
are
way
out
of
bounds
from
what
he
thinks
you
can
get
away
with,
but
I
wouldn't
even
be
so
sure
about
that
Council.
G
As
you
have
lawsuits
piling
up
due
to
violence
and
persecution
under
your
reign
people,
don't
have
money
so
you're
going
to
charge
them
with
a
misdemeanor
that
will
cost
them
money
that
they
don't
have
and
land
them
in
the
state's
deadliest
jail
when
we'll
actually
be
paying
more
of
our
taxpayer
dollars
to
keep
people
in
cages.
This
policy
is
as
cruel
as
it
is
counterproductive
and
illogical
as
I
join.
In
with
the
call
for
my
neighbors
to
stop
this
ordinance.
I
know
you
aren't
going
to
listen.
You
do
the
same
thing.
G
Every
time
pretend
to
care
about
an
issue.
Do
some
Community
engagement,
ignore
the
engagement
and
then
propose
policies
in
the
opposite
direction
anyway,
despite
an
outcry
from
the
community
you're
literally
making
sharing
a
crime.
Try
to
explaining
that
to
our
kindergartners
I
know
that
you,
once
all
were
little
children
who
knew
better
than
this
and
I
bet
you've
even
instilled
some
of
these
very
values
in
your
own
children
than
the
ones
that
are
the
opposite
of
what
you're
enacting
today.
G
I
want
to
thank
all
my
neighbors
who
came
out
to
speak
to
you
and
even
if
you're
not
listening,
there
are
many
who
are
helping
each
other
in
our
community
each
and
every
day.
It
is
on
all
of
us
to
help
each
other.
Wherever
we
can
know
what
no
matter
what
you
all
do
to
try
to
stop
it,
we
shouldn't
have
to
defend
our
right
to
share
with
one
another,
but
here
we
are,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
so.
G
C
Well,
we've
already
violated
our
no
clapping
rule
toys
tonight,
but
so
we
have
a
no
no
clapping
rule,
but
I
would
encourage
you.
If
you
want
to
support
the
speaker.
Maybe
just
give
us
kind
of
a
all
right
we're.
We
have
a
motion,
a
second
for
the
consent
agenda.
We
have
no
other
folks
signed
up
to
speak
under
the
consent
agenda.
All
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed.
D
K
Name
is
Mitchell
silver,
I'm,
a
principal
with
McAdams
and
the
project
manager
for
the
pack
Square
Vision
plan.
First
I
want
to
just
commend
you
for
having
the
courage
to
authorize
such
an
important
planning
effort,
I
have
to
say
throughout
the
planning
process.
I
was
quite
moved
by
the
stories
shared
by
the
residents
left.
Quite
an
impression
and
you'll
see
through
this
presentation.
We
try
to
reflect
that
back
into
the
vision
plan.
I
do
want
to
go
over
four
of
the
key
takeaways
of
this
effort.
K
One,
the
city
and
county
investment
in
this
planning
process
resulted
in
a
vision
plan
that
can
successfully
be
used
for
all
purposes
originally
intended.
The
community's
input
has
been
refined
into
10
themes
or
values
that
can
guide
future
decision
making.
In
this
area
there
are
10
community
supported
design,
ideas
or
projects
that
can
be
used
to
further
the
committee's
short
and
long-term
vision
for
the
area
and
then,
finally,
the
momentum
behind
the
Vision
will
be
continued
via
a
city
county
partnership
funded
by
the
Mellon
Foundation.
K
Without
reading
them,
all
we
were
given
at
the
start
of
the
process
and
again
I'm
very
delighted
to
work
with
the
planning
staff
and
congratulations
to
Stephanie
monsondal
for
being
now
playing
director
very
exciting.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
met
the
objectives
of
five
objectives
that
were
asked
to
take
on
in
this
planning
effort.
K
As
I
stated,
what
was
key
to
this
process
was
public
engagement.
In
fact,
it
was
Stephanie
said
that
the
engagement
is
as
important
as
the
end
product
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
took
the
engagement
seriously.
Our
role
was
to
listen
and
hear
the
voices,
and
we
did
that
in
a
number
of
ways,
since
through
focus
groups
and
listening
sessions
and
as
a
result
of
listening
to
the
residents,
we
came
up
with
10
themes
and
these
themes
inspired
us
to
come
up
with
the
10
ideas
which
you're
going
to
see
momentarily.
K
So
here
are
those
10
design
ideas
again.
These
was
inspired
by
the
residents
and
those
that
participated
in
our
public
meetings,
and
so
the
first
is
that
the
goal
was
to
really
create
new
spaces,
in
the
plaza
for
civic
engagement
and
expression,
storytelling
oral
history,
public
art
and
Central
Gathering
Place.
You
also
see
in
the
upper
left
hand
corner
is
a
concept
plan
to
show
how
this
space
can
be
activated.
From
the
very
beginning.
K
We
recognize
that
the
current
pack
Square
Plaza,
is
object
centered,
it
has
fountains
as
elements
but
is
not
people-centered,
and
the
goal
is
to
make
this
an
active
space,
and
you
can
see
the
bellshire
Festival,
which
people
recalled
many
times.
It
was
destination
where
people
can
come
together
and
share
stories
and
memories,
and
is
our
goal
to
make
sure
that
this
becomes
the
heart
of
Asheville
a
welcoming
place
for
all,
and
we
shared
precedent
images
from
around
the
country,
Philadelphia
and
other
places,
to
show
what
is
possible
in
this
space.
K
I'll
go
for
this
one
very
quickly,
but
there
was
concern
about
safety,
Crossing,
Broadway,
Street
and
so
there's
a
recommendation
to
just
move
a
crosswalk,
and
then
it
was
a
lot
of
conversation
about
the
advanced
monuments
we
recognize
it
is
still
awaiting
a
decision
in
the
North
Carolina,
Supreme
Court,
but
their
recommendations,
the
court
deems
it
to
stay
or
be
removed.
We
made
sure
their
recommendations,
but
public
was
loud
and
clear
if
it
is
removed,
it
should
not
be
replaced
with
another
Monument.
K
This
is
one
of
the
key
and
essential
recommendations,
and
this
is
to
activate
the
north
edge
of
pack
Square
Plaza
right
now
the
Biltmore
building
sits
there.
There's
a
raised
elevated
lawn
and
the
recommendation
was
to
activate
the
space
on
this
Edge
either
you
can
build
into
the
ground
floor
or
there
can
be
kiosks.
What
this
will
do.
Number
one
is
activate
the
base
of
the
building,
make
pack
square
a
destination,
but
also
make
it
a
safer
place.
K
When
you
activate
a
space,
it
makes
it
a
lot
safer,
and
so
this
is
two
options
that
can
be
exploded
to
Future,
one.
That
requires
some
construction,
but
the
other
can
just
have
some
very
attractive
kiosks
for
food
or
even
a
gift
shop.
The
Biltmore
building
should
they
want
to
sell
their
beautiful
wine
at
this
location.
K
This
one
was
very
emotional.
We
heard
so
many
stories
of
past
harm
in
Asheville
many
stories,
many
from
people
of
color,
indigenous
and
black
community,
and
so
we
want
to
create
a
special
space,
a
space
for
healing
a
space
for
reflection
and
storytelling.
We
looked
at
the
law
that
is
right
in
front
of
the
Biltmore
further
down
near
Market
Street,
and
felt
that
this
should
be
a
location
for
meditative
meditation
growth.
To
give
make
this
unused
space
have
a
purpose.
We
gave
some
examples
of
help
to
use
like
a
set
of
space
for
reflection.
K
This
is
an
example
in
Houston
where
they
use
these
storytelling
Globes
to
share
the
story
about
some
of
the
local
residents
of
that
community.
So
we're
not
saying
you
have
to
replicate
this,
but
it
was
important
to
give
that
place
a
space
for
healing
and
reflection
and
to
share
stories
about
Asheville
that
aren't
always
told
another
key
recommendation
which
we
heard
loud
and
clear
from
the
residents,
and
it
was
overwhelming.
Please
close
north
pack
Square
this
District,
you
see
right
now.
K
This
one
also
was
a
popular
recommendation
was
to
continue
I'm
sorry
to
continue
to
make
College
Street
from
one
way
to
two-way.
Currently,
College
Street
is
two-way.
That
terminates
at
Market
Street
by
creating
a
College
Street
to
two-way.
You
could
now
divert
the
emergency
vehicles
that
travel
down
south
pack
Square
very
often
interrupting
a
lot
of
the
activities
and
fares
that
happen
on
weekends
and
that
by
that,
by
doing
that,
you
could
now
create
South,
Paris
pack,
Square
Street
into
a
shared
Street,
very
similar
to
Wall
Street.
K
All
that
grade,
you
still
can
allow
Ada
access
deliveries,
emergency
access,
but
it
would
once
again
start
to
increase
the
space
itself.
The
pack
Square
plaza
where
it
could
be
better
activated
and
that
way
the
mercy
Vehicles
can
still
get
to
Invisible
building.
They
can
just
do
it
by
way
of
College
Street.
K
Now
there
are
quite
a
few
recommendations
dealing
with
Market
Street
and
the
block.
Throughout
our
conversation,
we've
heard
many
stories
about
the
East
End
and
the
block
the
harm
that
was
created,
and
we
felt
it
was
important
with
the
block
just
being
one
block
away
from
pack
Square
Plaza.
There
was
not
a
strong
connection.
Our
recommendation
is
to
create
a
cultural
Corridor
that
connects
Peck
Square
to
the
block
and
create
an
act
of
cultural
Corridor,
both
physically,
but
also
emotionally,
to
make
sure
would
help
to
repair
some
of
the
past
harm.
K
These
are
just
some
form
of
images.
I'm
sure
you
are
familiar
with
of
the
East
at
impact
square
and
the
other
slot
just
shows
some
of
the
key
assets
in
that
area.
So
at
a
high
level,
the
cultural
Corridor
has
these
proposed
amenities.
There
are
public
spaces,
there's
a
corridor
itself.
There
are
some
ideas
about
the
municipal
building
and
there
are
gateways.
K
If
you
just
look
at
the
images
on
the
right
side,
it's
showing
what
Market
Street
looks
like
today.
It
looks
more
like
a
parking
lot,
it's
unattractive,
it's
not
appealing,
and
at
the
end
you
have
the
ymi
and
you
wouldn't
even
know
it's
there.
Our
goal
is
to
make
sure
this
now
becomes
a
cultural
reporter
and
active
Street
that's
attractive
and
functional,
connecting
pack
Square
to
the
block
itself.
K
K
She
talked
about
her
experience
with
Watling
the
father
down
Market
Street
and
how
he
felt
disrespected
humiliated,
and
the
story
moved
me
because
I'm,
a
father
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
this
needs
to
be
a
welcoming
place,
and
this
is
just
a
recommendation
for
temporary
art,
eight
to
ten
feet
tall
right,
where
you
see
the
Y
on
my
side,
welcoming
people
into
this
new
Gateway
Corridor,
leading
to
the
Block.
It's
very
important
that
we
send
these
messages
and
again
the
story
was
moving
and
I
can
tell
you
Stephanie
was
there.
K
K
In
terms
of
long-term
recommendations,
there
are
some
wreck
ideas
about
what
they
call
a
flex
facade.
This
is
a
fabric
that
can
be
applied
on
a
parking
deck,
and
this
could
be
done
any
way
of
Storytelling.
To
start
talk
about
some
of
the
history
of
this
community,
The
Pride
people
have
in
this
cultural
Corridor
and
that's
something
that
the
residents
would
have
to
work
with
the
existing
parking
deck
owner
to
see
if
they
could
accomplish
it.
K
K
Finally,
looking
at
some
of
the
Open
Spaces,
one
is
behind
a
municipal
building,
but
another
one
is
privately
owned,
whether
we
can
reposition
some
of
these
spaces
to
complement
the
block
of
what
they're
trying
to
do,
and
so
that
too
will
require
some
engagement
from
the
private
property
owner,
we're
very
eager
to
see
how
that
connection
and
dignity
to
the
block
can
be
elevated
and
then
finally
there's
another
recommendation.
This
is
a
new
gateway
to
be
established
on
Biltmore
Avenue
at
Eagle
Street.
K
This
is
the
other
gateway
to
see
whether
the
residents
can
work
with
the
property
owner
of
the
establishment
to
put
a
beautiful,
mural.
There's
one,
that's
in
Woodstock
Georgia,
that's
probably
the
most
beautiful,
locally
artist
design,
mural
I
have
ever
seen
it
is
inspiring,
is
telling
all
the
stories
of
the
Woodstock
region
again
done
by
local
artists.
Another
recommendation
is
I
noticed
that
you
have
these
beautiful
blade
signs
on
Biltmore
Avenue.
K
L
K
Long
term,
they
recognize
important
Public
Safety
of
services
that
building
offers
for
both
police
and
fire,
but
they
really
craved
another
type
of
use,
a
Civic
use
of
community
use
that
would
complement
this
building
on
pack
Square.
We
just
gave
you
some
images
of
what
can
be
done
in
this
space,
and
so
this
is
something
that
we
have
in
our
report.
It's
a
long-term
recommendation
that
certainly
should
be
explored.
K
Other
considerations.
There
are
many
many
elements,
I
think
we
kind
of
close
to
200
throughout
downtown
of
markers
and
memorials
and
storytelling
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
an
inventory
so
that
we
can
recognize
what
do
we
do
going
forward
within
pack
Square.
There
are
elements
that
may
need
to
be
relocated.
K
There
was
a
very
strong
support
for
a
municipal,
Service
District
or
a
business
improvement
district
to
help
manage
maintain
pack
Square
once
it's
completed
and
then
really
encouraged
a
lot
more
inclusive
and
Equitable
programming
I'm
not
going
to
labor
this
I'm
down
to
the
last
two
slides
in
the
report.
We
suggested
a
phasing
plan.
This
plan
works
in
tandem
with
the
Mellon
Grant
foundation
of
the
foundation.
K
This
will
be
additional
planning
and
design
up
to
Construction
priority
number
three
sharing
our
stories
program
development.
This
is
also
part
of
the
Brand
This-
is
for
storytelling,
which
is
really
part
of
Asheville's
DNA,
but
to
make
sure
these
stories
are
diverse
and
inclusive
and
then
finally,
long-term
funding
and
partnership.
This
is
to
establish
our
partnership
to
make
sure
the
four
phases
of
the
pack
Square
Plaza
is
completed
with
that
it
is
my
presentation
and
I'll
entertain
any
questions
you
may
have.
E
I,
don't
have
any
questions
and
I've
heard
the
presentation
because
of
other
committee
work,
but
I
just
want
to
express
my
thankfulness
for
our
staff
going
and
seeking
this
grant.
That's
three
million
dollars
to
help
these
efforts
come
to
fruition
and
I
love.
The
planning
I'm
excited
for
a
larger
plaza-like
space
and
more
walkability,
and
just
more
movement
in
downtown
than
isn't
Cars.
C
It's
interesting
that
pack
square
has
been
redone
so
many
times
over
the
years,
and
you
know
the
last
effort
I
think
was
concluding
in
20
2009
by
a
separate
entity
that
worked
I,
think
the
project
was
maybe
18
million
or
something
something
that
which
resulted
in
the
stage
and
the
redesign
of
where
all
the
way
up
to
where
the
fountain
was,
and
but
now
this
really
to
me
feels
like
a
more
computer,
Community,
inclusive
process
and
expands
what
we
consider
to
be
on
that
heart
of
downtown.
So
that's
really
exciting.
Thank.
K
You
mayor
one
in
the
report
we
actually
talk
about-
and
this
is
after
my
close
to
40
years
in
in
planning
and
design
I,
have
not
seen
a
square
redesigned
so
many
times.
In
fact,
we
went
through
the
evolution
of
Pac
Square
for
the
first
time
it
was
conceived
and
I
wish
we
could
do
kind
of
a
time
motion
but
you're,
absolutely
right.
This
is
this
generation's
opportunity,
and
this
one
was
really
centered
on
addressing
past
harm,
to
be
a
place
of
unity
to
be
inclusive
and
diverse,
and
Equitable
and
I.
M
Foreign
I
think
you've
all
done
a
really
nice
job,
I
think
we've
all
felt
when
we've
gone
to
a
city
and
you
just
go
man.
This
is
really
cool.
Something
on
this
block,
there's
something
that
you
feel
and
it
takes
things
like
this
to
get
you
there.
M
It's
not
just
one
sign:
it's
not
just
one
activity,
it's
a
it's
a
feeling
and
it's
an
experience
and
I'm
really
grateful
for
the
leadership
from
staff
to
do
visioning
like
this,
for
our
community
to
do
planning
like
this,
because
that's
what
makes
cities
magical
and
wonderful
and
I
can't
wait
to
see
what
happens.
I.
K
D
K
And
behold,
when
I
was
good
last
time,
the
parks
department,
forestry,
did
limb
up
the
trees
and
for
the
first
time
I
saw
people
sitting
on
the
bench
in
pack
square.
A
little
intervention.
Far
too
often
are
three
canopies
are
low.
If
you
lift
them
up,
it
looks
more
inviting
more
open,
more
safe.
So
congratulations
for
you're
the
city
and
staff
are
doing
that.
O
C
C
Do
we
have
we
have
about
eight?
Do
we
have
folks
in
the
Overflow
room,
Maggie,
okay,
I
think
we
can
fit
in
anybody.
Is
everybody,
okay,
on
temperature,
hot
cold?
How.
C
O
Thank
you,
mayor
and
good
evening.
Everyone,
as
you
know,
I,
usually
try
to
use
this
time
for
us
to
discuss.
Some
important
initiatives
that
are
underway
in
the
city
are
some
things
that
are
relatively
trailblazing
for
us
as
an
organization,
and
so
tonight
that's
what
we
are
going
to
provide
for
you.
We
know
that
you
know
this
is
a
long
agenda,
particularly
a
a
a
resulting
petition,
so
we're
going
to
step
through
this
as
quickly
as
possible
and
I'm
going
to
ask
for
some
help
in
changing
this
last
Christine.
If
you
can.
P
J
O
These
are
the
green
initiatives
that
we
are
going
to
prove
provide
an
update
for
you,
the
fire
department,
the
Jeff
Bowen
staff
Rod,
which
I
had
the
opportunity
to
participate
in
just
briefly,
our
neighborhood
matching
Grant
celebration,
which
was
an
amazing
effort
and
partnership
with,
with
neighborhoods
and
in
our
Cloud
migration.
For
our
GIS
initiative,
which
sounds
like
that's
back
a
house
kind
of
stuff,
but
it
is,
it
is
very
important
for
both
us
and
the
community
in
terms
of
I
hope.
As
part
of
this
presentation.
O
So
I'm
going
to
start
off
with
the
tricky
Mouse
start
off
with
the
Asheville
Fire
Department
staff.
Rod.
There's
a
lot
of
words
on
on
this
slide,
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
condense
it
as
much
as
possible.
The
Asheville
Fire
Department
in
conjunction
with
the
national
Fallen,
firefighters
Foundation.
We
conducted
this.
This
staff
ride
to
discuss
the
building
fire
which
took
the
life
of
one
of
our
fallen
heroes,
Captain
Jeff
Bowen
on
July
28
2011..
O
The
there
were
two
days
of
the
staff
rides
one
held
for
any
afd
member
who
could
attend
any
other
help
for
outside
departments
and
agencies.
Thank
you
and,
as
I
said,
I
was
able
to
attend
and
welcome
visitors
at
a
at
a
luncheon
that
afd
hosted.
There
were
40
firefighters
from
across
the
country
that
attended
this
event
and
included
firefighters
from
New
York,
Boston,
Chicago,
Washington,
DC,
Dallas,
Atlanta,
Charlotte
and
Saint
Petersburg
again.
Q
Thank
you,
Miss
Campbell,
good
evening
mayor
vice
mayor
members
of
council,
as
Ms
Campbell
said,
I'm
Christina,
Israel
and
I
serve
as
the
community
engagement
manager,
with
our
communication
and
public
engagement
department
and
I'm
excited
just
to
share.
Some
brief
highlights
from
an
event
that
we
hosted
on
August
31st
at
the
Shiloh
community
garden
to
honor
our
neighborhood
matching
Grant
awardees
since
2021.
Q
So
we
wanted
to
get
everyone
together
to
just
celebrate
their
accomplishments
in
an
informal
setting,
and
we
were
very
fortunate
to
have
the
support
of
the
Shiloh
Community
Association
to
use
their
community
garden
space.
It
was
a
beautiful
evening.
Late
summer
we
had
some
great
support
from
the
Asheville
Police
Department,
who
brought
the
grill
and
the
staff
from
the
community
engagement
division
to
cook
all
the
food
and
help
us
serve.
Q
O
R
You
good
evening,
mayor
vice
mayor,
my
name
is
Holly
Barham
I
am
your
newest
I.T
Services,
director
and
I
wanted
to
briefly
share
with
you
some
exciting
work
from
our
team.
We've
recently
moved
all
our
GIS
servers
that
were
located
here
in
City
Hall
and
we
architected
them
so
that
the
necessary
infrastructure
is
in
the
cloud.
While
this
was
very
much
a
team
effort,
a
talented
in-house
team
of
women
build
out
the
cloud
infrastructure
I'd
like
to
recognize
our
GIS
manager.
Kristen
watts
is
back
here.
R
It
was
her
vision
to
provide
faster
response
time,
more
accurate
data
for
decision
making
and
better
customer
service
that
really
started
us
down
this
path.
Asheville
is
one
of
the
first
municipalities
in
the
country
to
make
this
migration
and
it
was
done
with
no
outside
Consulting
Services.
Despite
major
technical
challenges,
had
this
been
led
by
an
outside
consultant,
the
fees
would
have
been
between
fifty
and
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
This
is
a
tremendous
team
achievement,
that's
already
being
recognized
by
our
peer
agencies.
R
The
migration
to
Cloud
infrastructure
makes
the
city
of
Asheville's
GIS
program
much
more
secure,
resilient
and
easy
to
maintain.
It
will
allow
staff
to
connect
to
GIS
resources
and
asset
management
resources
from
any
device
and
from
any
location.
It
also
dramatically
improves
performance
time
required
to
connect
and
load
maps
and
data.
R
Similarly,
this
project
provides
for
a
much
improved
experience
for
community
members
accessing
GIS
resources
through
map
Asheville
Simplicity
and
a
myriad
of
public
facing
dashboards
using
Cloud
infrastructure
will
minimize
our
unplanned
system
outages
as
well
as
plan
maintenance
upgrades.
These
benefits
will
translate
to
a
better
experience
for
the
community.
S
B
E
I
was
just
wondering
thank
you,
but
Kudos
on
archetype
architecting,
this
entire
platform
and
that's
not
a
simple
thing:
I
love
that
it
was
done
by
women
also
but
yeah,
and
also
you
know,
some
of
the
critique
we
get
from
the
community
is.
E
Oh,
my
God
another
study
and
you
know
we
are
highly
efficient
City
and
there
are
lots
of
things
going
on
in
the
city
and
sometimes
when
new
things
come
to
us,
we
just
have
to
Outsource
but
I,
love
that
you
didn't
and
that
you
were
able
to
own
it
and
can
now
maintain
it.
So
just
thank
you.
Thank
you
and
welcome.
Thank
yeah.
E
N
C
F
D
C
C
In
the
Overflow
room,
we've
got
plenty
of
room
I.
Think
in
here
nope
we're
good.
Okay!
Thank
you
all
right.
We
have
a.
We
have
two
public
hearings,
but
the
second
one
we're
going
to
be
continuing.
So
the
we'll
begin
with
the
we'll
begin
with
item
a
I
assume
will
palmquest
is
going
to
come
racing
in
here.
I'll
talk
slowly.
C
This
is
a
public
hearing
to
conditionally
Zone,
one
oak
street
from
central
business
district
to
Central,
Business
expansion,
slash
conditional
zone
for
the
purpose
of
approving
a
conceptual
master
plan
with
the
development
of
several
multi-story
buildings
consisting
of
residential
Hotel
retail
and
office
uses,
and
will
Palmquist,
who
is
not
making
his
debut
back
again.
To
present
this
item
to
council.
T
Good
evening,
mayor
members
of
council
will
Palmquist
with
planning
Urban
Design
I
will
be
presenting
this
conditional
zoning
petition
for
a
project
known
as
project
Aspire
I'll
apologize
in
advance
that
the
presentations
a
little
bit
longer
than
usual
but
necessary,
given
the
scale
and
relative
complexity
and
really
the
transformative
nature
of
this.
This
project
represents
for
this
area
of
downtown.
T
So
the
project
site
consists
of
three
three
properties
located
in
Northeast
portion
of
downtown.
It's
currently
the
site
of
the
First
Baptist
Church,
which
also
owns
the
parcel
to
the
South,
which
is
the
State
Employee,
Credit,
Union,
bank
and,
and
so
the
YMCA
on
the
western
side
of
the
site
at
Central.
Woodfin
street
is
included
as
well.
T
Here's
just
a
better
shot
of
that.
So
you
can
see
the
existing
Church,
which
is
proposed
to
remain
as
part
of
this
development
and
proposed
to
be
redeveloped
and
all
the
expansive
surface
parking
in
between
Redevelopment
existing
zoning
is
CBB
due
to
the
scale
of
the
project
say
rezoning
the
CBD
expansion
conditional
zoning
would
be
required.
T
So
I'll
just
go
over
a
couple
slides
highlighting
the
overall
concept
plan
and
we're
calling
this
a
concept
plan.
At
this
stage.
I'll
get
to
a
little
more
detail
about
the
review
process.
That's
been
developed
for
this
project.
You'll
see
that
some
of
the
uses
have
ranges,
the
idea
being
that
a
lot
of
the
details
have
not
been
completely
nailed
down
for
for
the
project.
So
it's
being
reviewed
tonight
is
a
much
higher
level
type
project
than
is
typically
before
you
all
with
the
range
of
uses
and
Heights
and
design
characteristics.
T
So
this
other
slide
shows
a
little
more
of
the
scale
being
proposed.
This
is
a
be
looking
Northeast.
You
can
see
the
the
First
Baptist
Church
here
in
the
center
of
the
Image
Oak
and
Woodfin
Street
in
the
front
College
Street
on
the
side,
Charlotte
Street
over
here
and
Central
Avenue
over
here.
So
that's
just
kind
of
the
orientation
again
the
same
information
on
the
right
with
more
information
the
uses,
so
building
one
would
be
the
new
YMCA
space
with
residential
and
Retail
use.
Building
two
would
be
the
new
20-story
hotel.
T
Building
four
on
Central
Avenue
would
be
a
19-story
residential
commercial
building,
buildings.
Five
and
three
would
be
six
stories.
Building
three
would
be
more
office
and
Commercial
and
building
five
would
be
more
residential
and
Commercial,
and
then
this
graphic
demonstrates
the
phasing
of
the
proposed
development,
which
is
another
component
for
this
more
higher
level.
Conceptual
master
plan
approach
to
the
project,
so
essentially
what
the
idea
is
what
the
idea
is
is
that
the
site
on
the
Eastern
side
of
the
site,
where
the
State
Employees
Credit
Union
currently
exists
would
be
developed
first.
T
That
would
allow
for
the
construction
of
a
new
YMCA
space
to
take
place
and
the
hotel
building.
Once
the
YMCA
is
occupied,
the
demolition
of
the
former
YMCA
space
can
occur
and,
as
part
of
that
demolition,
the
new
phase
two
can
be
built.
So
that's
kind
of
the
linchpin
between
the
two
so
to
speak,
development
phases,
the
concept
plan
broken
down
by
phases.
You
can
see
phase
one
has
relatively
fewer
residential
units
as
compared
to
phase
two
also
less
commercial
space.
It
has
the
hotel
use
and
the
community
recreational
space
as
well.
T
T
It's
before
us
tonight
to
consider
the
the
granting
of
the
conditional
zoning,
which
would
confer
the
entitlement
for
the
general
parameters
of
The
Proposal,
including
the
range
the
range
of
uses,
the
overall
Heights
massing
and
form
the
technical
modifications
that
will
speak
through
a
little
bit
later
and
then
the
idea
being
that
the
project
would
then
return
in
those
two
phases
and
they
would
be
reviewed
as
level
two
type
projects
as
other
level.
T
Twos
in
the
CBD
are
they'll,
be
reviewed
by
the
design,
Review
Committee,
where
approval
would
be
mandatory
by
that
committee
and
then
also
planning
and
zoning
commission
to
confer
the
zoning
through
a
ministerial
site
plan
review.
They
would
not
necessarily
have
to
return
to
city
council
as
long
as
those
future
phases
were
mostly
compliant
with
the
conditional
zoning
being
reviewed
this
evening.
T
T
T
T
The
internal
side
of
ox
would
be
a
minimum
of
10
feet
wide.
There
is
proposed
off-street
bike
facilities
commonly
known
as
cycle
tracks.
That
would
be
a
minimum
of
five
feet
wide,
but
a
typical
width
of
six
feet
and
those
are
proposed
along
Charlotte
Street,
where
they're,
currently
no
bike
facilities
and
also
College
Street,
where
there
is
an
on-street
bike
facility,
but
this
cycle
track
would
be
an
upgrade
to
that
existing
facility.
T
There
are
also
a
couple
of
bus
stops
located
on
the
Project's
perimeter
on
a
College
Street,
the
corner
of
Oak
Street,
and
one
at
Charlotte
Street
at
the
corner
of
the
I-240.
The
project
would
upgrade
both
of
these
bus
stops
and
the
bus
shelters
to
be
designed
with
with
the
standard
City
specifications.
T
T
The
idea
being
for
phase
two
is
that,
should
the
project
not
pursue
low-income
housing
tax
credits,
they
would
commit
to
doing
20
of
the
affordable
units
to
accept
housing,
Choice
vouchers.
C
T
T
That's
75
for
three
of
the
buildings
and
50
for
the
hotel,
building
I
believe
would
have
public
Street
facing
ground
floor
facades
that
have
Design
Elements
like
Windows
and
lobbies
and
doors,
and
that
sort
of
thing
also
best
efforts
to
preserve
existing
trees
that
are
identified
on
the
master
site
plan
that
are
deemed
healthy
enough
by
the
City
Arborist,
and
also
the
project,
as
required.
T
T
T
Only
one
of
the
four
Street
frontages
would
be
required
to
have
a
step
back
where
the
building
would
have
to
go
back
at
least
10
feet
along
two-thirds
of
the
facade.
That's
the
one
along
Central
Avenue
project
is
requesting
a
modification
for
that
requirement
in
lieu
of
the
in
lieu
of
that
having
a
20
foot
wide
sidewalk
with
a
wider
setback
from
the
street,
there's
also
a
maximum
horizontal
distance
or
length
of
buildings.
When
they
get
taller
than
75
feet,
that's
typically
145
feet.
T
The
project
is
requesting
that
the
buildings
propose
would
exceed
that
and
you
can
exceeding
out
the
number
total
length
of
those
horizontal
distances
for
floor
is
above
75
feet
in
height
for
the
five
buildings:
okay
enumerated
there
and
those
bullets
around
250
to
280
feet
in
length.
T
Instead,
that
there'd
be
no
side
step
backs
provided
so
we
typically
required
a
75
feet,
height
of
buildings,
to
come,
come
in
on
the
sides
to
kind
of
get
the
building
skinnier,
as
it
goes
up,
they're
requesting
a
technical
modification
for
that
requirement
and,
finally,
that
the
project
would
not
have
to
comply
with
minimum
building
coverage
of
80
percent
along
the
frontage
line
for
the
key
pedestrian
street
of
open
within
Street.
T
Perhaps
discussions
that
were
taking
place
earlier
today
with
some
of
those
project
conditions
and
modifications
and
I
think
at
best
to
leave
that
discussion
too
between
applicant
and
city
council.
So
these
are
the
conditions
as
presented
and
analyzed
and
reviewed
for
for
this
meeting.
So
there
may
be
some
discussions
that
could
take
place
to
either
tighten
those
up
or
modify
them
as
agreeable
with
the
applicant.
T
So
I'll
just
say
that
much
in
regards
to
the
Project's
consistency
with
living
Asheville's
comprehensive
plan
staff
finds
that
the
project
is
consistent
with
the
future
land
use
designation
of
downtown,
which
talks
about
Urban,
environment
and
character
of
downtown
expanding,
redeveloping
underutilized
portions
of
downtown.
The
mix
of
uses
along
with
more
residential
uses,
to
create
a
more
24
7
neighborhood
as
a
hub
of
activity
and
further
enhancement
of
the
public
realm
through
green
infrastructure,
sidewalks
public
spaces
Etc.
T
The
project
also
Supports
number
of
goals
in
the
planning,
including
encouraging
responsible
growth
by
providing
infill
development
and
targeted
growth
areas
increasing
and
diversifying
the
housing
Supply
by
increasing
the
supply
of
housing,
including
affordable
housing
and
proximity,
Transit
and
parks,
and
to
increase
access
to
Safe.
Bicycling
by
expanding
bicycle
facilities
and
removing
gaps
in
the
city's
bicycle
Network,
so
the
project
has
a
fairly
lengthy
review
process
that
it's
been
going
through
for
quite
a
while.
T
Now
it
was
approved
with
conditions
at
the
March
6
technical
Review,
Committee
informally,
reviewed
by
the
design,
Review
Committee
and
multimodal
Transportation
Commission,
as
well
as
a
downtown
Commission,
approved
with
conditions
at
the
May
18th
design,
Review
Committee
reviewed
and
continued
at
the
July
19th
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
and
finally
approved
the
conditions
at
the
August,
2nd
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
meeting
South
concurs
without
planning.
Zoning
commission
recommended
recommendation
and
recommends
approval
of
proposed
conditional
zoning
I've
got
to
answer
any
questions.
C
C
E
T
It
will
be
mostly
Lobby
space
uses
that
are
integral
to
the
hotel.
It
will
have
design
elements
that
Windows
Doors
openings,
pedestrian,
oriented
facades
and
that
sort
of
thing,
which
is
what
the
prior
slide
was
speaking
to
it
will
not
have,
is
my
understanding
as
as
presented
and
reviewed
previously
will
not
have
like
separate
uses
or
retail
or
separate
coffee
shop
like
we
require,
typically,
which
is
why
this
modification
is
included.
These.
L
T
Okay,
I
will
defer
that
to
the
applicant
to
clarify
so
far.
My
understanding
was
that
it
would
be
more
through
Design
Elements,
so
so
that
that
condition
talks
about
those
for
those
five
buildings
that
they'd
be
as
similarly
shown
on
the
site
plan
and
that
the
ground
floor
would
have
sorry
I'm.
Just
trying
to
summarize
this
here,
elements
like
that
it
could
be
satisfied
by
commercial
uses
which
could
be
lobbies,
reception,
areas
or
pedestrian
scaled
facade
designs,
including
storefronts
or
Windows.
T
E
It
was
I
guess
the
point
of
it
was
that
as
I
understood
in
the
language,
around
hotels
and
I
know,
this
is
a
CZ
that
has
you
know,
circumvented
the
typical
process.
But
the
explanation
when
we
reviewed
this
in
the
hotel
process
was
that
if
a
hotel
were
to
be
built
on
a
block
that
didn't
have
any
public
uses
on
the
bottom,
it's
almost
like
an
extraction
of
that
parcel
from
the
community.
E
So
to
the
extent
that
we
could
have
storefronts
down
there
at
least
the
community
would
still
use
that
space
a
little
and
the
example
we
always
used
was
the
I
think
it's
the
Hyatt
on
just
at
the
bridge
in
Montford
that
has
the
pool
in
the
bottom
and
the
Frosted
windows
and
locals
just
walked
by.
Whereas
if
it
were
a
coffee
shop
or
a
restaurant,
they
could
at
least
go
in
I.
Think
that
was
the
intent.
E
So
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand,
because
if
it's
just
to
put
the
hotel
lobby
there,
that's
not
really
the
intent
and
maybe
they'll
be
able
to
speak
to
that.
But,
additionally,
in
the
previous
page
of
nope,
not
that
one.
Sorry
of
other
conditions,
I
I
reference
there-
you
go
that
first
part
for
phase
two.
Twenty
percent
of
these
affordable
units
will
accept
the
housing
Choice
vouchers
if
it
doesn't
do
a
lie.
Tech
project
but
I
understood
that
phase.
One
would
also
accept
the
vouchers.
T
M
A
question
I
also
had
is
in
conversations
I've
had
the
parking
was
going
to
be
around
1400
spaces
to
different
700
space
decks,
which
sounded
like
a
lot
of
space
for
parking,
and
now
it
says
2000.
So
I
was
already
really
wanting
to
understand
like
justification
for
1400
spaces
and
now
I'm,
really
not
understanding
why
that
would
substantially
increase
the
two
like
how
many.
C
Certain
number
of
spaces,
in
order
for
the
bank
to
say,
hey,
this
is
a
Bible
project,
we'll
lend
you
money
on
it,
so
they
so
we
have
had
opportunities
where
MHO,
for
example,
has
been
able
to
reduce
parking
by
demonstrating
they.
Don't
they
don't
need
it
to
support
the
project,
but
typically,
what
I
understand
from
the
development
Community
is
that,
based
on
your
region
and
the
use
of
vehicles,
you've
got
to
be
able
to
show
how
you
can
support
your
project
through
parking.
C
C
Technically
require
it,
or
so
I
mean
they
can
probably
speak
more
to
it,
but
I'm
assuming
that's
part
of
the
challenge
and
right
now
we
have
this
range
right.
We
have
a
potential
housing
range
right
up
to
650..
So
if
you
did,
I
mean
what
I've
heard
the
going
rate
is
one
and
a
quarter
spaces
per
unit.
C
You
you
have
that
and
then
you
have
the
commercial
and
you
have
the.
Why
and
you
have
a
wide
range
of
rooms
on
this
hotel,
I'm
assuming
they're
just
trying
to
get
I.
Don't
know
why
I'm
answering
this
question.
T
That's
absolutely
correct
and
that
number
has
shifted
a
little
bit,
so
the
1400
might
have
been
the
prior
minimum.
It
might
have
been
1400
to
1800
and
a
planning
zoning
commission.
You
know
similar
concerns,
you're
brought
up,
and
why
are
we
having
a
minimum
number,
so
it
was
agreed
upon
that
I'm
just
having
a
maximum
number
would
be
best,
so
there's
no
minimum,
so
they
they
could
presumably
provide
many
few
much
fewer
spaces
if
that
was
advantageous
to
the
project,
but
there
would
be
a
maximum
so.
M
How
did,
how
did
we
land
on
2000
was
that
a
staff
advised
number
or
was
that
a
proposal
from
the
developer,
I.
T
L
T
I
mean
those
are
the
most
relevant
and
high
level
ones.
There
are
a
few
others,
some
of
which
are
boilerplate,
some
of
which
regard
maximum
height
I
know
we
talked
I,
know,
there's
some
questions
about
the
height
requirements
that
in
the
project
is
compliant
with.
With
the
height
there
are
a
couple
different
height
zones.
What.
E
About
not
allowing
short-term
rentals
in
the
housing
or
including
a
bike
lane
that
is
a
condition
and
such
that
it
can't
be
removed
at
their
discretion.
So.
T
E
C
Somewhat
duplicative,
but
it
would
give
a
level
of
assurance.
I
do
I,
do
worry.
It
confuses
the
community
community
that
they
don't
understand.
We
already
prohibit
whole
unit
short-term
rental,
so
to
be
clear,
our
current
zoning
ordinance
would
prohibit
it,
but
so
I
mean
you're
basically
saying
in
the
condition:
I
agree
to
abide
by
the
law.
Correct.
A
D
A
Bring
that
forward,
it
reads:
given
the
nature
of
a
phase
development
proposal,
the
developer
shall
maintain
an
ongoing
dialogue
and
collaboration
with
the
surrounding
Community
throughout
the
development
process.
Consistent
with
the
process
and
agreements
made
to
date
with
the
east
in
neighborhood.
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
out
there,
because
we've
received
several
emails
regarding
this
point,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure.
E
C
E
Would
it
help
to
just
there's
a
couple
more
so
maybe
let's
just
throw
them
all
out
there,
so
that
they
can
have
a
broader
response,
another
one
that
was
a
kind
of
in
the
weeds
one
was
we'd
had
a
project
before
this
one
come
to
us
with
a
large
amount
of
acreage
and
they
wanted
to
gate
and
privatize
certain
areas
of
it.
And
when
I
spoke
with
this
development
team,
they
had
agreed
that
they
would
not
be
doing
that.
I'd
like
to
see
that
as
a
condition.
E
Just
simply
because
this
project
is
so
large
and
will
take
so
much
time
in
so
many
years
that
it
may
change
over
time.
And
this
is
really
our
only
chance
to
get
those
conditions
in
and
we
don't
want
to
privatize
10
acres
in
downtown.
That's
not
their
intent.
Now,
I'm
not
suggesting
it
is,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
language
is
in
there
and
then,
and
would
that
even
be
allowed.
It.
E
E
F
E
Is
our
only
time
to
really
produce
conditions
or
agree
to
them,
and
they
I've
talked
with
them
about
this.
So
I,
don't
think
this
is
surprising
to
them
and
then
the
last
one
is
that
when
we
I
think
six
out
of
seven
of
us
were
there
for
the
hotel,
moratorium
and
process
that
came
from
it
and
we
kind
of
spelled
out
a
review
process
that
was
pretty
detailed
and
once
you
get
to
a
certain
size,
you
can
come
to
this
process.
E
Instead
of
doing
the
community
benefits
table
and
so
on,
but
I
I
propose
that
they
actually
do
come
up
with
a
community
benefits,
kind
of
review
and
I.
Think
they've
done
that
and
prepared
some
points
and
stuff,
but
I
understood
that
in
the
case
that
they
were
not
able
to
produce
all
the
phases
or
produce
all
the
housing
that
they
would
consider
reverting
back
to
some
kind
of
table
where
there's
contributions
and
point
scoring
and
so
on,
and
that
was
I
understood
to
be
a
condition.
E
E
T
So
I
mean
for
hotel
use
it's
required
on
all
sides.
It's
calculated
all
sides
and
you
can
provide
it
more
on
some
sides
than
others,
and
so
it's
a
little
more
flexible.
There's
also
a
requirement
that
if
you
have
a
parking
garage
back
to
this
one,
a
parking
garage
fronting
on
a
keep
pedestrian
street
like
Charlotte
Street.
T
E
T
Was
some
some
constraints
with
the
geometry
and
depth
of
the
site
with
that
parking
garage,
so
there
wasn't
necessarily
room
to
be
able
to
do
a
robust
streetscape
and
a
inside
retail
use
there,
so
that
was
kind
of
a
trade-off
more.
C
Don't
know
she
wants
to
say
something
after
the
developers.
Yes,
okay,.
S
Good
evening,
there's
four
of
us
to
speak:
it's
a
complex
project.
It
has
a
lot
of
layers
thanks
for
your
patience,
thanks
for
your
willingness
to
look
through
this
and
try
to
help
understand
it
with
us,
but
it
does
require
each
of
us
have
a
different
role
and
so
might
be
a
little
bit
unorthodox.
But
four
of
us
will
make
some
introductory
comments.
Mine
will
be
the
easiest
I'm.
An
interest
group
and
I
will
step
back
and
be
available
for
questions
because
I
know
you'll
have
questions.
S
My
name
is
Steve
Navarro
for
the
record,
my
company's
the
Furman
company.
We
are
Developers
and
we
are
based
in
downtown
Greenville
South
Carolina.
We
spent
the
last
almost
three
years
here
in
Asheville,
working
with
a
number
of
folks,
starting
with
a
large
group
of
people
just
trying
to
get
a
better
feel
for
what
and
how
best
this
site
can
be
used.
S
It
all
started
with
our
relationship
with
the
YMCA
Paul
vest
chairman
and
CEO
president
CEO
of
the
greater
Western
Carolina
North
Carolina
YMCA
Mr
Mac,
Dennis
senior
pastor
with
First
Baptist
Church
of
Asheville,
and
then
my
partner
Robert
poppleton.
So
we're
here
to
answer
questions
Robert's,
going
to
make
a
little
bit
more
in-depth
comments.
Speaking
a
little
bit
also
to
some
of
your
comments
and
then
I
think
our
Our
Community
Partners
want
to
speak
as
well.
W
D
W
Aspire
project
Aspire
was
born
from
The
Joint
vision
of
First
Baptist
Church
of
Asheville
in
the
YMCA
of
Greater
Western
Carolina,
inspired
by
their
dedication
to
serving
the
community.
They
seek
to
enhance
their
missional
engagement
through
an
ambitious
mixed-use
and
mixed
income
development
project
you'll
hear
more
from
them,
so
I
won't
elaborate
too
much
on
that
controlling
roughly
10
acres
in
the
heart
of
this
community.
W
As
Steve
mentioned,
we
have
been
working
for
the
past
three
years.
We've
been
dedicated
to
this
process
that
began
with
a
discovery
period
gave
way
to
a
community
engagement
phase
and,
most
recently
in
the
last
nine
months,
has
been
going
through
a
public
review
and
I
would
like
to
take
a
moment
just
to
recap
on
some
of
what
the
ground
that
we
covered.
During
that
time,
our
Discovery
phase
began
with
our
mission
Partners
the
sponsors
of
this
project,
the
wine
the
church.
W
We
also
immersed
ourselves
into
the
planning
documents
of
this
city
spending
a
lot
of
time
with
living
Asheville,
and
we
were
pleased
to
learn
how
aligned
our
vision
and
mission
for
the
project
was
with
this
City's
Outlook
and
plan
at
the
heart
of
this
effort
is
an
unwavering
commitment
to
uphold
the
both
the
historic
Legacy
of
First,
Baptist
Church
of
Asheville,
as
well
as
preserving
and
expanding
their
programmatic
Outreach,
as
well
as
the
YMCA
into
a
new
state-of-the-art
facility.
W
All
while
doing
something
that
is
bold
and
hopefully
other
cities
will
come
to
model
after
in
terms
of
their
contributions
beyond
their
mission
that
is,
namely
to
affordable
housing,
affordable
workspaces
and
vibrant
downtowns
in
place
of
where
parking
lots
stand
today,
as
we
moved
forward
after
the
discovery
period,
we
began
our
mission,
our
our
community
outreach.
Unofficially,
we
spent
a
year
working
with
individuals,
leaders,
listening
learning,
hearing
and
reacting
to
the
comments
and
feedback
we
received.
W
I
want
to
emphasize
that
project.
Aspire
is
not
just
a
development;
it
is
a
testament
to
the
power
of
mission-led
partnership,
Community
engagement
and
shared
vision.
It
is
the
embodiment
of
the
values
held
dear
First
Baptist
Church
of
Asheville
in
the
YMCA,
and
we
are
privileged
to
be
a
developer.
To
facilitate
that
vision,
we
hope
to
participate
and
create
this
Legacy
that
will
benefit
Asheville
for
Generations.
W
We
are
ready
to
move
forward
with
your
support.
We
are
ready
to
engage
in
conversation
tonight
as
well,
and
we
thank
you
for
the
time
and
effort
that
you've
spent
with
us
prior
to
this
evening,
and
we
pledge
ourselves
to
continue
an
ongoing
dialogue.
Moving
forward
with
that,
I
will
turn
to
Paul
and
Mac
Pastor
Mack
for
some
additional
comments.
W
X
Us
in
this
this
transformational
project
we,
as
we
have
talked
to
folks
throughout
the
community.
It's
we
kind
of
get
that
look
about
what
she's
talking
about
redeveloping
10
acres
in
Asheville
and
as
we
talk
about
this,
it
really
kind
of
always
comes
back
to
how
it
got
started,
and
so,
as
I
thought
about
my
comments
tonight,
I
wanted
to
think
back
a
little
historically
about.
X
In
1889,
so
we've
been
around
for
134
years.
We
are
probably
one
of
the
oldest
non-profits
right
now
in
the
city
of
Asheville,
and
we
take
a
lot
of
pride
in
that.
We
have
not
been
perfect
over
that
time,
but
we
certainly
have
been
an
organization
and
institution.
That's
constantly,
looking
at
ways
that
we
can
better
serve
the
community
we've
been
in
our
current
facility
for
54
years.
Those
of
you
who
have
visited
probably
can
see
that
we've
done
about
three
or
four
major
Renovations
since
the
mid
80s.
X
We've
always
been
a
history
leader
in
youth
work
in
our
community,
and
our
history
shows
that
going
back
to
the
not
whole
gang
which
is
a
club
that
served
kids
during
the
Great
Depression
and
the
clean
life
club,
which
was
also
a
program
that
served
kids
who's
life
was
impacted
by
the
depression.
We
became
the
leader
in
after
school
child
care
when
it
wasn't
really
a
thing
to
be
doing,
but
we
started
recognizing
in
that.
X
D
X
A
history
of
great
team
work,
our
youth
sports
program
and
then
our
Aquatics
program.
It's
always
been
about
teaching
swim
lessons,
but,
more
importantly,
in
the
more
recent
years
working
with
some
of
the
underserved
communities
around
safety
around
water
and
the
importance
of
making
sure
that
we
don't,
we
keep
kids
safe
and
they're,
not
drowning.
More
recently,
we
ventured
out
into
our
certainly
we
have
a
history
of
day
camping,
but
overnight
camping
when
we
opened
Camp
Pattaya
in
Swain,
County
and
again.
X
That
was
part
of
a
real
interest
in
making
sure
that
our
local
kids
had
access
to
an
overnight
camp
experience,
many
of
which
culturally
would
never
have
access
to
that
through
some
of
the
other
programs
that
we
had
here
or
we
have
in
Western,
North
Carolina
Community,.
X
Ymcas
but
I
think
institutions
in
our
community
to
start
the
Mobile
Food
Markets,
you've
probably
seen
our
trucks
around
town
that
really
do
reach
out
and
make
sure
some
of
our
underserved
communities
are
getting
fresh
fruits
and
vegetables.
Our
community
health
programs
include
our
diabetes
prevention
work
and
our
minority
diabetes
prevention
work.
That
really
cannot
happen.
Our
Livestrong
program,
our
cancer
survivorship
program.
X
It
cannot
happen
currently
in
our
downtown
location
because
of
age
in
our
facility
and
the
makeup
of
that
building
our
health
opportunities
pilot,
which
we're
very
proud
of
it's,
a
partnership
with
impact
health
and
our
North
Carolina
Department
of
Health
and
Human
Services,
is
currently
providing
over
100
boxes
of
food
to
folks
on
on
Medicaid
that
we're
delivering
directly
to
their
homes.
Part
of
that
work
is
some
of
the
work
that
we've.
X
And
the
work
that
happens
with
that,
we
host
the
Mexican
consulate
twice
a
year.
We
currently
have
about
1600
visitors
who
come
through
our
doors
for
those
Services
we're
providing
over
400
diabetes,
screening
programs.
Those
are
all
happening
in
our
reuter
y,
because
we
can't
host
that
downtown
because
of
our
current
facility
and
then
probably
more
recently,
that's
on
top
of
most
people's
minds.
X
During
covid,
we
were
the
first
to
respond
for
child
care
services
for
families
who
needed
Child
Care
during
that
time,
the
essential
workers
and
served
as
a
downtown
vaccination
location
for
our
older
African-American
population.
On
two
occasions
where
we
were
able
to
open
our
doors
and
serve
that
community
and
then
probably
one
you
probably
you
may
not
want
to
rehash
But
the
Water
Crisis
that
we've
had
this
past
December.
We
were
proud
to
be
able
to
step
in
and
support
the
city
and
support
some
of
the
families
that
needed
water
and
showers.
X
Point
out
that
I've
been
in
this
community
now,
27
years,
it's
a
real
privilege
to
be
able
to
work
with
an
incredible
board
of
directors.
Who've
challenged
our
staff
and
our
organization
to
be
that
local.
That
organization,
that
is
innovative
in
its
thinking
and
thinking
outside
the
box
and
figuring
out
how
to
do
some
address
Community
needs.
X
In
the
past
year
we
started
a
strategic
plan,
and
this
work
became
part
of
that
important
work,
as
we've
talked
to
a
lot
of
folks
in
the
communities,
getting
feedback
and
understanding
and
hearing
the
surprise.
When
we
start
talking
about
what
it
would
take
to
redevelop
a
brand
new
YMCA
downtown
and.
X
Through
that
process
to
serve
the
downtown
community,
it
was,
it
would
have
been
very
easy
for
us
early
on
in
some
of
these
discussions,
to
talk
about
vacating,
downtown
selling,
our
property
and
going
someplace
else,
and
there
was
a
real
commitment
on
behalf
of
our
board.
That
said,
no,
we
need
to
be
downtown
and
start
doing
a
better
job
of
serving
the
community.
X
So
on
this
project,
specifically
five
years
ago,
we
started
conversations
with
the
church
and
it
took
two
years
for
us
to
be
in
dialogue
with
each
other
really
to
talk
about
common
Vision
common
values.
What
what
was
in
our
hearts
as
an
organization
to
really
serve
the
downtown
community
and
both
of
the
church
and
the
Y
at
the
time,
really
found
a
Common
Thread
through
all
that,
and
it
took
us
again
two
years
to
work
through
that
process.
X
Before
we
even
started
thinking
about
talking
to
a
developer,
it
wasn't
until
we
really
started
recognizing
that
there
was
huge
potential
because
of
the
10
acres
that
we
shared
and
doing
some
work
with
a
firm
from
the
YMCA
of
the
USA
to
really
start
mapping.
X
Some
of
that
out
that
we
decided
to
start
talking
to
developers,
Furman
came
first
and
foremost
because
of
their
real
commitment,
as
Robert
mentioned,
the
the
common
value
that
we
have
in
serving
the
community
in
different
ways
and
and
taking
on
challenging
projects,
I'm,
not
sure,
you've
understood
what
a
challenging
project
was
until
you
started
working
on
this
one,
but
we
were
great.
We
became
really
good
partners
coming
into
this.
X
So
for
those
first,
two
years
we
really
looked
at
community
services
from
the
YMCA
and
First
Baptist
Church,
and
what
we
could
do
collectively
together
as
well
as
increase
housing
and
child
care,
became
two
primary
focuses.
The
business
incubator
space
became
one
of
those
things
that
we
could
just
continue
to
dream
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
do
things
in
a
way
that
the
community
can
support
and
be
part
of
this?
That
brings.
X
The
entire
community,
and
not
just
the
city,
not
just
the
county
and
just
not
the
two
institutions,
and
then
how
do
we
build
and
reimagine
a
community
for
our
local
population?
We
heard
a
lot
about
the
fact
that
folk,
our
local
folks,
don't
want
to
come
downtown,
and
so
this
really
rang
our
Bell
a
little
bit
on.
How
do
we
create
an
environment
in
this
part
of
town
to
invite
people
to
come
and
enjoy
food
trucks
and
music
and
the
YMCA
and
church
services
or
Music
Services
out
of
the
church?
X
L
P
X
X
We
didn't
even
think
about
the
astral
living
plan
and
it
was
Furman
that
brought
that
concept
to
the
table
and
leveraging
that
that
idea
that
this
could
be
so
much
more
than
even
we
were
dreaming
about
and
then
finally,
and
probably,
first
and
foremost
that
I
don't
think
we'd
spend
enough
time
talking
about
as
an
organization
or
even
as
a
project.
But
we.
Z
K
X
X
A
real
opportunity
for
a
public
private
philanthropic
opportunity
where
we
can
go
out
and
generate
charitable
contributions
to
support
this
project,
whether
it's
supporting
the
y
capital
campaign
or
supporting
the
efforts
to
bring
affordable
housing
to
the
table
or
Workforce
or
a
work
environment
that
can
be
subsidized
to
help
with
those
first-time
business
owners.
So
with
that
I
want
to
thank
you
in
advance
again.
X
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
work,
that's
been
done
with
staff
and
we
appreciate
their
patience,
but
I
appreciate
your
consideration
for
this,
and
and
hopefully
support
as
we
continue
to
move
forward.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
AA
After
saving
multiple
children
from
work
from
one
attack
in
her
Village
and
narrowly
escaping
death
herself,
she
ended
up
adopting
several
of
those
children
and
ended
up
with
hundreds,
more
Shalom
started
as
a
refuge
for
Orphans.
It
rose
out
of
deep
violence
done
to
a
community
into
a
neighborhood
and
it
would
become
a
thriving
complex
of
schools,
hospitals,
job
training
sites
and
even
a
swimming
pool
that
served
as
a
symbol
of
baptism.
In
a
former
killing
field
years
later,
Maggie
was
asked
what
gave
her
the
strength
to
see
her
vision
through
and
she
replied.
AA
Love
has
made
me
an
inventor
honorable
mayor
manheimer,
vice
mayor
Kilgore
councilwoman.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
stand
before
you
tonight
on
behalf
of
First
Baptist
Church
of
Asheville
and
project
Aspire.
As
a
disciple
of
this
woman
I
believe
you
may
be
her
disciples
too
I've
seen
you
at
work
and
I
can
say
with
conviction
that
I
believe
love
has
made
each
one
of
you
an
inventor.
AA
Were
you
to
cross
the
threshold
of
our
campus
or
Sanctuary.
What
you
will
find
is
a
constellation
of
Ministries
and
missions
that
build
up
our
city
and
give
life
to
the
words
of
our
mission
beautiful
belonging
across
the
week.
We
care
for
over
60
children
from
all
economic
backgrounds.
In
our
Child
Development
Center,
we
teach
nearly
300
children
of
all
backgrounds
to
sing
or
play
musical
instruments
for
the
Academy.
AA
on
Thursdays,
you
will
find
our
gem
full
of
local
neighbors.
Many
of
whom
are
unhoused
or
in
need
of
warmth,
food
and
friendship.
They
can
count
on
finding
these
treasures
at
our
church
and
we
count
on
them
to
come
because
we
don't
know
how
to
be
Church
without
them
come
on
any
day
of
the
week
and
you
will
find
Civic
and
government
groups,
support
groups,
educational
and
other
non-profit
organizations
enjoying
our
facilities
at
little
or
no
cost
come
on
Sundays
and
you
will
find
worship
that
is
uplifting
and
life-giving.
AA
AA
People
who've
been
taught
that
God
doesn't
love
them,
come
in
October
to
join
our
peacemakers
team
on
a
pilgrimage
to
Montgomery
Alabama
to
the
Legacy
Museum
and
National
Memorial
for
peace
and
Justice.
This
same
team
has
guided
our
members
to
join
Hood
Huggers
tours
and
hosted
a
tour
of
the
former
lynching
sites
in
Buncombe
County
this
spring.
The
same
team
is
guiding
a
congregational
book
study
of
the
1619
project.
This
fall,
some
people
can
ban
books,
but
they
can't
ban
us
from
reading
them.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
I,
don't
know
what
it's
like
to
have
lived
through,
what
you've
lived
through
and
to
endure.
Even
now
the
legacies
of
racism
and
the
violence
done
to
your
neighborhood
and
to
your
people,
but
I,
know
my
heart
and
I
know
the
heart
of
my
congregation
and
the
Heart
of
the
YMCA
and
the
hearts
of
the
Developers
as
Furman.
Who,
in
fact
were
catalysts
for
the
conversations
that
the
congregation
and
the
Y
commenced.
AA
P
AA
A
city,
a
city
of
beautiful
belonging
and
there
are
no
Gates
there
and
the
threshold
is
open
and
Across
the
Threshold.
The
kings
of
the
Earth
are
rather,
the
leaders
of
the
earth
bring
their
glory
and
their
Treasures,
and
so
do
all
the
people
coming
to
and
from
the
city
they
make
it
Thrive
by
their
gifts.
AA
S
E
C
And
then
we
want
to
get
into
some
questions.
Yeah.
S
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
receiving
us
and
for
being
open-minded
in
this
started
with
saying
this
is
a
very
complex
project.
It's
also
a
unique
project
when
you
look
at
the
sponsors
and
the
partners
in
this
project
being
the
church
and
the
YMCA
vested
community
members
that
you're
I'm
sure
there's
going
to
be
plenty
of
public
comment,
people
supporting
and
people
not
supportive.
S
Please
keep
in
mind
that
this
is
not
a
developer,
driven
project
that
this
project
is
so
unique.
It
has.
It
has
community
benefactors
that
want
to
see
this
through,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
that
we
hope
that
you'll
grasp
and
that's
why
we're
asking
you
for
approval
of
this
phase.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
C
We
have
kind
of
a
last
hurry,
hurry,
Scurry
piece
to
this,
so
this
is
a
conditional
zoning
application,
which
means
this
is
council's
opportunity
to
talk
about
the
zoning
and
entitlements
for
the
property
and,
as
a
part
of
that,
we
normally
set
conditions
that
are
attached
to
each
project,
and
in
this
case
that
has
already
been
prepared
and
presented.
But
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
even
leading
up
until
this
afternoon
about
some
of
those
conditions
and
I
think
there's
also
some
questions
about
the
project
itself.
It
has
evolved.
C
A
Ahead,
yeah,
it's
fine,
so
first
I
want
to
start
off
by
saying
I
want
to
address
Reverend
Mack
from
the
moment
Mr
Wilcox
introduced
us
I
have
had
a
great
affinity
for
you
and
the
Affinity
that
I
have
for
First
Baptist,
for
my
family
has
gone
back.
Generations
and
I
can
attest
that
everything
you
said
is
in
fact
true.
A
A
We
have
gotten
so
far.
There
is
one
spot,
though,
that
I
think
where
there
is
disagreement,
so
it
matters
like
this
when
we're
asked
to
decide
whether
we're
going
to
deal
with
a
change
in
zoning.
The
first
question
we
have
to
ask
is
is
or
answer
is
the
request,
reasonable
I
believe
the
majority
of
the
proposals
here
are
reasonable,
but
I
do
not
believe
that
two
structures
won
19
stories
and
20
stories
is
reasonable
in
that
buildings
of
that
height
are
disproportionate
to
the
aesthetic
in
character
of
the
community.
A
I
won't
speak
for
Easton
at
this
time
because
I'm
seeing
several
members
here,
but
it
is
my
belief
that
the
height
is
a
sticking
point
for
them.
So
my
question
to
you
is
my
request:
is
that
you
consider
instead
of
19
and
20
a
15
story,
maximum
and
I've
checked
and,
according
to
our
sitting
ordinance
that
change
would
be
permissible.
So
I'll
ask
you
that
directly.
W
Thank
you
for
your
comments
in
your
question.
There
are,
there
are
several
ways
to
address
that
and
I'll
speak
in
reference
back
to
our
process
and
what
led
again
to
to
this
plan.
Part
of
our
early
study
and
Discovery
was
to
understand
the
existing
zoning
existing
code
that
governs
these
10
acres
and
we
allowed
that
to
be
a
guide
for
the
rest
of
the
form
you
now
see
in
this
master
plan.
W
W
Our
pursuit
of
this
conditional
zoning,
the
hotel
overlay
and
identified
where
we
placed
the
hotel
in
this
master
plan,
is
one
of
the
few
remaining
sites
in
downtown
Asheville
that
we
recognize
the
community
went
through
a
process
to
arrive
at
which
is
also
reflected
in
where
we
we
placed
this
hotel
consistent
with
the
height
Zone
that
it
is
in.
That
is
one
Tech,
more
technical
reasoning
for
for
the
placement
in
the
sizing
of
that
hotel.
The
other
one
is.
It
truly
is
the
economic
facilitator
for
all
the
other
missional
components
of
this
project.
W
It
is
not
possible
to
achieve
what
we
are
seeking
to
achieve
with
our
sponsors
in
the
church
and
the.
Why
and
the
contribution
of
up
to
130,
additional,
affordable
house
deed,
restricted,
affordable
housing
units
and
to
be
able
to
go
after
some
of
the
other
additional
objectives
that
both
Paul
and
Pastor
Mack
spoke
to.
E
E
Okay,
there
were
conditions
and
I
think
you
and
I
spoke
today
spoke
with
your
team
last
week
and
just
a
couple
times,
but
unfortunately,
just
really
recently.
I
wish
that
we
had
had
more
time
and
I
do
think
that
a
delay
tonight
would
have
helped
solidify
some
of
this,
but
I'll
try.
So
some
of
the
requests
I've
made
were
I
mean
if
we're
going
to
speak
in
philosophy.
I'll
say
that
when
we
went
through
this
hotel
moratorium
and
describe
this
process,
the
goal
was
to
create
a
clear
process
for
hotels
that
left.
E
You
know
less
of
this
risk
to
the
developer,
which
you're
speaking
of
right,
seeking
entitlement
to
be
able
to
fund
and
build
the
project,
but
it
came
with
a
clear
set
of
rules,
including
this
community
benefits
table
and
so
on
and
I
believe
the
intent
when
we
did
that
was
kind
of
setting
a
minimum
of
what
we
would
say.
We
we
expect
from
a
hotel
application.
So
when
you
go
above
that,
I'm
still
thinking
in
my
mind
that
you're
going
to
be
submitting
this
community
benefits
table
and
meeting
all
these
requirements,
but
I
understand
you're.
E
Not
so
my
first
question
is:
are
you
going
to
be
able
to
score
yourself
on
a
community
benefits
table
like
we
talked
about
today
and
be
able
to
commit
to
if
you
are
not
able
to
produce
the
housing
to
follow
back
on
some
of
these
suggested
uses
of
the
community
benefits
table?
You
want
me
to
do
this
one
at
a
time.
Would
you
like
to
speak
to
that
one.
W
W
Yes,
the
the
we
understand
the
the
way
that
the
hotel
moratorium
and
now
the
hotel
overlay
functions
specifically
for
hotels
of
a
certain
size
and
for
hotels
outside
of
that
range.
Well,
hotels
within
that
range
do
not
have
to
go
before
Council
if
they
need
those
benefits
right.
D
W
Have
taken
this
more
holistically
more
comprehensively,
instead
of
having
a
deconstructive
approach
to
to
maybe
do
five,
six
or
seven
different
developments
in
income
for
well?
Actually,
all
of
them
are
just
supported
by
existing
zoning,
but
instead
of
handling
them
individually,
we
have
taken
them
as
a
whole
So
within
that
process.
Yes,
we've
looked
initially
at
okay.
Let's
consider
how
we
would
score,
given
that
our
intent
is
to
follow
how
the
community
has
planned
this
site.
W
If
this
project
was
alone,
it
would
score
very
well
on
on
that
table,
but
I
think
the
most
significant
contributor
that
this
project,
this
hotel
is
the
cattle
list.
Four
is,
instead
of
writing
a
check
to
either
three
thousand
or
six
thousand
dollars
per
unit
for
key
of
the
hotel
to
support,
affordable
housing
and
other
initiatives.
E
W
E
You
do
not
produce
the
housing
because,
because
of
the
phasing
of
this,
let
me
just
back
up
because
I
know
it's
going
to
be
confusing.
There's
a
lot
of
pieces,
but
because
of
the
phasing
yours
proposing
that
the
first
phase
will
have
a
hundred
or
so
units,
but
the
second
phase
is
going
to
be
the
tax
credit
application
and
perhaps
the
largest
piece
of
affordability,
my
concern
and
for
the
sake
of
the
community
over
these
next
10
years
of
developing
this.
E
Are
you
committing
to
these
things
or
not?
Are
you
saying
no
we're
not
going
to
do
this
because
we
believe
our
future
contribution
to
affordability
meets
more
than
that
Community
benefits
table.
Or
are
you
saying
what
I
thought
we
said
earlier,
which
is
I
will
agree
to
fall
back
on
this?
Should
we
not
be
able
to
produce
the
affordable
housing.
S
E
S
S
So
the
answer
to
that
is
yes,
we
will
activate
that
the
rest
of
the
project,
as
you
turn
the
corner
and
go
up
Oak
Street,
where
we
have
in
this
one
it's
color-coded,
yellow
with
the
with
the
housing
on
top
at
the
base
of
that.
If
we
had
a
three-dimensional
on
there,
we
could
show
you
that
we're
committing
to
activate
all
retail.
As
you
turn
the
corner
of
the
green,
is
the
YMCA
that'll
all
be
activated.
S
S
We
may
be
seeing
it
wrong
when
the
city
put
them
this:
a
moratorium
on
hotels
and
then
came
back
and
said:
here's
how
we're
going
to
do
this.
These
are
the
areas
we
accept
large-scale
hotels,
the
areas
we
will
not
these
developers,
if
they're
at
a
certain
amount
and
less
because
it's
a
small
project
and
they
can't
be
all-encompassing.
S
We're
going
to
create
this
community
benefit
stable
and
you
need
to
pay
in
because
you're
taking
more
out
I
assume
it's
you're,
taking
more
out
of
the
community
than
you're
putting
in
by
putting
this
hotel
in
there
and
you're
not
doing
anything
else
so
right
bill.
It
leads
help
with
structured
parking,
write,
a
check
for
housing,
larger
projects
than
must
come
before
city
council,
and
then
you
have
your
opportunity,
then,
to
talk
with
us
about
okay.
What
are
you
doing
for
the
community?
And
how
are
you
mitigating
the
impact
of
that
hotel?
S
In
our
case,
because
this
is
a
mixed-use
project
and
we're
bringing
the
hotel
the
YMCA
retail
office
and
parking
just
in
Phase
One
all
together
at
one
time?
So
you
could
see
the
breadth
and
scope
of
all
of
that
project
and
and
feel
good
about
it,
because
we
want
you
to
feel
good
about
it.
We've
committed
to
building
housing
and
we've
committed
to
building
affordable
housing,
30
of
approximately
20
of
150
units,
which
is
30
at
about
250
000.
A
piece
is
a
seven
and
a
half
million
dollar
investment
into
the
community
for
affordable
housing.
S
Will
there
be
subsidies,
we're
hoping
so
we're
going
to
look
for
subsidies
from
multiple,
but
it's
not
going
to
cover
seven
and
a
half
million
dollars
worth
of
worth
of
units.
So
the
the
alternative
would
be
to
write
a
check
for
the
community
benefits
at
I
believe
six
thousand
dollars
a
unit,
maybe
a
million
five
somewhere
in
that
range.
We
write
and
you
would
put
that
into
your
housing
and
we
wouldn't
build
any
housing.
S
So
that's
why
it's
an
awkward
question
for
us,
because
these
types
of
larger
projects
are
designed
to
come
before
you
to
look
at
more
holistically,
look
at
all
encompassing
and
we're
doing
that,
but
it
feels
a
little
bit
honestly
a
little
bit
unfair
than
for
you
to
then
say:
okay!
Well,
that's
what
you're
doing!
Let's
negotiate
that
and
then
let's
score
on
the
community
benefits
and
then
let's
see
where
you're
short,
because
we're
really
not
short
if
we
score
it,
we're
at
like
200
of
220
points
just.
E
That's
what
I
understood
from
our
talk
today
that
you
were
close
and
that
you
would
be
able
to
express
that
you
actually
did
look
at
this
community
benefits,
table
and
owed
to
our
process,
but
that
you
were
close
and
that
this
shift
of
saying
should
we
not
be
able
to
produce
them.
We
will
go
back
and
look
at
these
other
options.
You're
talking
about
the
contribution
part,
there
are
many
on
there,
but
that
you
would
do
that
instead
and.
S
E
C
E
And
then
the
ground
floor
activation
you're,
saying
where
we
see
building
two
in
purple,
the
hotel
that
that
will
not
be
activated.
But
when
you
turn
the
corner
on
Oak
Street
on
the
left
side.
Here
that
will
be
activated.
We're.
E
E
What
about
the
bike
lane
I,
don't
see
it
anywhere
and
I
thought
and
Kim
end
up
speaking
to
this,
because
I
know
it
was
of
importance
to
her,
but
my
understanding
was.
It
was
a
connecting
issue
and
bike
lanes
are
kind
of
a
Hot
Topic
in
this
community.
Are
you
committing
to
it
or
not?
So.
C
S
D
AB
W
So
yes,
there's
an
update
from
will
presented
the
conditions
that
were
summarized
through
the
p
z
process.
We
have
and
are
willing
to
in
to
accept
vouchers
on
50
of
all
affordable
units
within
this
project.
First.
E
S
That
one,
what
was
the
other
one,
the
gated
community,
we'll
agree
with
data
Community
yeah,
even
though
it's
it's
against
Jordan
anyways
right,
it's
already
something!
So
that's
that's
an
easy
one.
Okay,
the
short-term
rental
is
a
little
bit
more
complicated
and
here's.
Why
we're
not
planning
on
doing
short-term
rentals
and
we
will
commit
to
not
do
short-term
rentals
and
we
prohibit
that
so
long
as
they're
prohibited.
S
But
here's
why
we
have
to
put
that
caveat
in
there
20
years
ago,
if
I
had
said
we're
going
to
do
all
short-term
rentals,
you
would
have
said
okay,
because
nobody
knew
what
they
were
today.
They're
a
real
challenge.
20
years
from
now,
and
your
predecessor's
seven
generations
from
now
might
have
a
complete
definition,
different
definition
of
what
an
Str
is,
and
in
fact
there
may
be
no
hotels,
60
years.
C
It's
probably
a
moot
point,
because
if
the
legislation
passes
as
it's
proposed
and
just
everyone
is
sitting
out
there,
the
legislature's
considering
passing
a
Prohibition
on
local
government
from
regulating
short-term
rentals.
So
so,
if
they
were
to
do
that,
it
would
probably
void
any
restriction
in
these
conditions.
E
That
we
would
not
ex
that
they
would
not
have
sdrs,
but
then
the
later
should
the
legislature
legislators
change
their
minds.
I
understand
that
bill
will
not
be
in
front
of
them
this
year
and
that
it
may
be
waning
entirely.
Hopefully,
so
it's
all
opinion
and
speculation
at
this
point,
but
you're
saying
you're
not
willing
to
commit
to
not.
E
E
J
Legislation,
the
shifts
we
have
multiple
bills
floated
year
to
year
on
this
there's
one
that's
currently
pending.
That
would
be
fairly
expansive
and
comprehensive
in
terms
of
removing
the
power
of
local
governments
to
set
those
regulations.
My
sense
is
that
the
mayor
is
correct
in
that
a
change
along
the
lines
of
what
we've
seen
a
proposed
legislative
initiatives
would
essentially
void
these
kind
of
conditions,
because
essentially,
you
would
strip
our
ability
to
regulate
and
therefore
our
ability
to
file
notice
of
violations
on
existing
zoning
conditions
if
they
were
violating
so
I,
do
think
so.
J
My
suggestion
would
be
that
we,
we
included.
E
J
At
this
particular
location
completely
for
the
whole
home
rental,
but
you
can
add
short-term
rental
unless
otherwise
prohibited
by
state
law.
E
There
we
go
so
how
about
that
language,
we'll
take
that
okay
and
just
to
be
clear
if
you're,
following
along
when
these
conditional
zonings
come
to
us,
we
have
to
agree
like
we
have
to
agree
on
the
things
on
that
list.
So
that's
why
we're
kind
of
talking
it's
less
negotiating
more
conversing
Maggie.
Your
Kim
may
want
to
speak
to
the
bike
lane,
but
I
think
that
satiates,
my
list
of
conditioned
things
I
do
want
to
say
I,
truly
wish
that
this
hotel
was
actually
a
large
housing
project.
I
understand
the
complexity.
E
This
is
a
very
complex
project,
I'm,
actually
quite
impressed
that
you
were
able
to
pull
together
all
of
the
parcels
and
involved
parties.
So
I
just
have
some
concerns
about
the
process
and
getting
the
conditions
in
place
because
you
are
asking
us
for
such
a
lofty
approval
on
what
is
essentially
a
massing
study,
and
so
just
you
know
all
due
respect.
I
just
feel
like
the
community
itself,
with
this
larger
project,
the
largest
we've
seen
in
downtown
and
what
could
become
the
tallest
hotel
just
needs
a
little
more
scrutiny
ahead
of
time.
S
E
M
Can
we
reduce
that
maximum
to
1700
like
what
would
it
take
to
do
that
we
just
for
context
currently
in
our
entire
downtown,
the
municipal
parking
spaces
that
we
have
is
around
2000
in
our
decks.
This
is
an
enormous
portion
of
the
space
of
our
community
being
planned
towards
that,
and
then
interior
B
has
on
street
parking
as
well,
which
is
a
com,
something
that
we've
talked
about
already
of
you
know.
I
know
this
is
in
this
project.
Aspire
I,
don't
find
on-street
parking
like
there's
some
of
the
transportation
design
of
this.
M
That
seems
very
business
as
usual
for
anticipating
that
cars
are
at
the
center
of
this,
and
I
just
would
love
to
hear
where
there's
wiggle
room
on
that
sure.
S
Genesis
of
parking
here
we
started
with
living
Asheville
and
living
Asheville
said
we
aspire
to
have
all
of
our
parking
on
the
outer
sides
of
the
CBD
and
let
people
basically
park
in
Central
nodes
and
walk
in
this
is
this
is
an
outer
gateway
to
downtown?
So
if
there
is
excess
parking,
we
would
expect
over
time
over
years,
people
will
want
to
park
there
and
walk
into
as
you
further
restrict
or
as
you
change
or
as
you
grow
inside
the
CBD,
because
we're
on
the
perimeter
of
that.
S
D
S
Requirement
for
parking
on
each
of
them
from
a
standalone.
They
equate
to
about
I,
don't
remember
if
it's
1800
or
2000
spaces.
If
we
have
joint
parking
agreements,
reciprocal
parking
agreements
legally
what
they're
called
then
we
can,
we
can
argue-
or
we
can
make
the
case-
that
they
there
is
shared
uses
and
we
can
cut
10
20
depending
on
types
of
uses,
30
of
those
and
basically
get
the
economies
of
scale
for
that.
S
You
can't
ask
that
answer
that
question
we
won't
get
along
and
that's
true
for
all
the
way
through
in
phase
two
building
three,
you
see
two
buildings
that
could
be
two
buildings
that
might
be
one
building
we're
trying
desperately
to
hold
that
out
for
office
Class
A
office.
One
of
the
things
we
heard
when
we
came
to.
S
Was
a
real
need
for
large
office
spaces,
not
not
a
lot
of
office
space
in
a
lot
of
areas
but
large
blocks
of
office
to
be
able
to
attract
corporate
headquarters
and
create
jobs
same
thing
for
that,
but
that
requirement
is
somewhere
in
the
three
used
to
be
in
the
in
the
four
to
five
per
thousand
range
code
used
to
be
five
per
thousand
on
the
ground
floor,
three
per
thousand
above
typical
standard
code
for
lenders.
Now
it's
more
like
three!
S
X
S
E
There
are
some
conditions:
the
nchfa
asks.
The
LIE
Tech
project
itself
has
a
list
of
requirements,
one
of
which
is
a
parking
ratio
and
I've
told
this
to
the
at
least
Robert
today,
but
in
the
past,
as
the
housing
chair,
I,
think
myself
and
Brownie
and
possibly
Esther
have
all
signed
letters
of
support
with
the
application
to
the
nchfa
saying
in
our
downtown.
We
have
a
zero
space
requirement.
S
M
I
hear
that
and
I
think
I
think
some
of
the
tension
I'm
experiencing
in
this
process
is
that
I
want
this
housing
downtown
I
want
a
future
that
has
this
space
activated
I
want
to
go
work
out
at
the
Y.
There
I
want
all
these
Community
Partners
to
be
taking
their
vision
and
carrying
it
into
like
building
vibrancy
and
homes
for
people.
I
want
this
and
we
have
one
chance
as
communities
elected
officials
to
put
in
some
controls
through
this
CZ
and
I
understand.
M
This
is
just
really
outside
of
the
norm
of
how
we
have
these
conversations,
and
so
it's
hard
for
me
to
feel
with
confidence.
I
even
hear
you
saying
like
well
the
BET.
Of
course,
you
don't
want
to
build
extra
parking,
that's
very
expensive
for
you
to
pull
off
this
project,
but
you're
asking
us
to
approve
thing:
I,
don't
know,
there's
there's
the
best
case
in
a
worst
case,
and
we
get
to
weigh
in
now
and
we're
giving
a
lot
of
allowances
in
case
the
worst
case
needs
to
pan
out
and
it
just
it's
hard.
M
So
I
just
want
to
share
that
perspective.
So
you
understand
some
of
the
wrestling
that
I,
think
you're
hearing
right
now
or
or
the
wrestling
I'm
experiencing
in
this
I
want
this
Vision
I
love.
The
community
leaders
have
come
to
the
table
to
say
like
let's
be
part
of
Redevelopment
that
makes
our
community
healthier
I
hear
a
lot
of
the
vision
I
just
wish.
There
was
a
lot
more
detail
and
I
understand
that's
hard
for
us
to
do
in
this
process,
but
anyway,
I'm
being
redundant
well.
E
But
I'm
struggling
with
that,
it's
hard
it
is
and
I
do
want
to
say
in
a
note
of
like
support.
I
agree
I
want
this
project
to
happen.
My
concern
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
asks
for
us
that
are
complicated,
that
we
can't
have
for
future
input
on
and
it's
not
our
normal
process.
It's
not
anywhere
near
our
normal
process.
E
Frankly,
and
it's
not
lost
on
me
that
we
have
approved
several
very
large
projects,
other
15
16
17
story
buildings
and
they
are
not
built,
they
are
entitled
and
they
are
not
built
and
they
may
not
ever
be
built.
So
I
can
understand
the
rationale
of
the
lodging
use
as
an
effort
to
subsidize
some
of
these
efforts
that,
on
their
own,
are
not
necessarily
getting
built.
So
I
I'm,
trying
to
rationalize
and
I,
am
trying
to
ensure
that
the
community
gets
the
benefits
that
they
express
to
us
through
the
three-year
moratorium.
E
E
C
Okay,
so
I'm
sorry
I
had
this.
C
For
a
second,
so
we
don't
have
resolution
on
the
parking
does
and
Kim
wanted
to
make
to
make
a
comment.
C
And
so
so,
I
have
a
question.
This
isn't
a
question
for
you
guys
if,
if.
C
C
E
C
C
Well,
okay,
but
but
but
our
intent
here
is
not
to
make
this
the
most
arduous
process
ever.
If
there
are
some
questions
that
need
to
be
resolved
and
can
be
resolved
tonight,
then
we
should
work
to
do
that.
If,
if
that's
not
possible,
then
it's
not
possible.
So
that's
how
the
process
works
so
are
we
are
we
I'm
done
talking
about.
B
Sorry
I
think
I
would
like
to
say
is:
I
am
very
supportive
of
the
project.
I
realized
that
you,
gentlemen,
are
Visionaries
and
you
are
willing
to
actually
something
that
you've
already
explored
and
thought
about
and
brought
the
pieces
together.
So
I
could
understand
where
you
are
a
little
bit
more
comfortable
with
the
overall
process.
B
I
really
think
that
you,
the
project
that
you're
doing,
represents
how
comprehensive
plan
on
steroids.
B
What
we're
against
is
not
being
able
for
the
the
full
plan
of
the
city
to
accommodate
that
particular
need
the
increase
in
housing
that
we're
seeing
actually
could
actually
reduce
the
amount
of
traffic
because
it
could
actually
increase
the
use
of
other
multimodal
transportation,
and
this
is
where
everybody
was
saying
they
wanted
to
go,
and
this
is
what
your
project
does,
and
this
is
what
a
lot
of
the
projects
does
so
I
I
am
definitely
supportive
and
I
realize
people
or
have
concerns.
B
S
S
A
corporate
headquarters
in
Downtown
Greenville
right
now
on
the
river
for
the
largest
bank
in
Donaldson,
South,
Carolina,
200,
000
square
foot
facility,
we're
looking
at
parking
and
what
we're
going
to
do.
We
have
three
levels
of
parking
in
the
garage
in
the
building:
it's
actually
a
Class
A
office,
building
with
three
levels
of
parking:
the
cost
to
build.
We
looked
at
this.
We
said
this
is
not
going
to
be
parking
forever.
So
how
do
we
do
this
and
use
this
space?
S
So
we
designed
it
to
then
also
accommodate
basically
a
speed,
ramp,
14,
foot,
clear
and
then
we
could
reuse
those
another
time
the
cost
was
double
exactly
the
problem
is
the
cost
was
double.
It
was
like
we,
our
quote
was
like
from
35
000
to
50
something
thousand
dollars
of
space.
To
do
that,
so
we
looked
at
that
set.
S
No
project
can
afford
that
today
with
costs
where
they
are.
So
what
ends
up
happening?
Is
you
take
a
project
like
this?
That
gray,
that
shows
parking
is
built
like
this
and
it's
as
efficient
as
possible,
so
you
can
get
up
and
down
and
it's
not
taking
all
the
property.
It
allows
for
the
YMCA
to
be
on
that
site
because
of
that.
E
S
So
so
there
are
variations
of
that
depending
upon
how
it's
being
paid
for,
but
certainly
those
spaces
we
will.
We
will
want
to
activate
and
rent
them
to
anybody,
that's
using
them
and
whoever
sponsors
that
garage
or
whatever
combination,
sponsors.
That
garage
will
want
to
be
getting
money
from
that
yeah.
E
S
P
S
E
A
W
That,
yes,
absolutely
thank
you
for
bringing
that
back
up
and
maybe
just
a
little
more
context.
One
of
our
you
know
a
couple
weeks
ago,
I
think
we
were
able
to
meet
again
with
the
East
End
neighborhood
association,
Eastern,
Valley,
Street,
neighborhood
association
and
in
arrived
at
several
new
ways
that
we
can
ensure
a
collaborative
process
going
forward
and
explore
various
interests
and
I
believe
there
was
some
language
that
the
city
staff
City
attorney,
proposed
to
include
in
our
project
conditions,
and
we
are
supportive
of
that
language.
S
S
The
project
did
change
very
much,
so
we
and
we
were
busy
doing
other
things
and
we
should
have-
and
that
was
brought
to
attention,
which
is
why
we
continued
last
time
had
a
great
and
we
met
some
wonderful
people,
one
sitting
here
in
the
room,
Miss
Kim,
when
we're
done
here
we're
going
to
hire
her
as
our
community
spokesperson
for.
H
Thank
you
can
y'all,
hear
me:
okay.
Yes,
we
can.
H
H
By
a
representative
of
the
development
seat,
that
asked
me
to
consider
this
for
a
unanimous
vote.
When
voting,
we
have
two
choices.
Yes
or
no.
Binary
does
not
reflect
the
complex
reality
of
issues
our
community
faces
or
the
task
force
healing
and
repair.
We
desire
from
the
history
of
harmful
racist
boning
practices,
There's
A
Tale
of
Two
Asheville,
one
where
outside
investors
and
owning
class
neighbors
benefit
from
our
extracted
tourism,
industry
and
another
we're
working
for
renters
and
households.
H
We
would
not
do
that
to
other
neighborhoods
in
the
city.
Another
issue
is
that
this
project
does
not
have
to
comply
with
the
benefits
table,
because
it's
too
large
I'm
grateful
to
hear
Community
input
tonight
and
remain
hopeful
to
the
development
team
that
includes
First,
Baptist
Church
and
the
YMCA
can
meet
this
moment
to
respond
to
concerns
and
find
Solutions
I
appreciate
the
health
and
child
care
facilities.
I
appreciate
the
commitment
to
address
the
concern
that
this
won't
be
a
gated
community,
as
proposed.
There
is
a
precedent
moving
forward.
H
S
We're
interested
in
getting
this
right,
we're
not
interested
in
interested
in
a
delay,
but
we're
interested
in
getting
this
right,
but
we
think
and
we're
trying
earnestly
to
address
your
concerns
tonight
so
I'm
not
sure
what
else
could
come
about
on
that.
I
think.
The
only
thing
that
we
have
said
with
with
unfortunateness
is
that
we
cannot
reduce
the
hotel.
S
C
So
so
I
understand
there
are
a
number
of
discussion
points
with
the
neighborhood
that
have
gelled
up
aside
from
the
height
of
the
hotel,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
councilworld
is
talking
about
the
hotel
height
or
if
she's
talking
about
these
other
items,
but
I
may
be
mistaken
about
that
I
think
I
I
as
I
understand
it.
There
may
be
a
desire
to
move
this
to
the
next
meeting
Council.
If
we
were
to
ask
the
developer
to
move
this
application
for
consideration
to
the
next
meeting.
C
E
E
D
AC
E
C
M
M
E
But
I
think
if
this
project,
the
largest
project
we've
seen
with
the
largest
hotel
we've
seen,
can
be
gelled
for
two
weeks
and
come
back
to
us
where
you
have
more
people
on
this
Council
feeling
more
comfortable
with
what
you're
requesting
of
us.
That
would
probably
be
a
better
move
in
my
opinion,
but
may.
S
C
Yeah
I
I
think
that
we
I
think
we
should
do
public
comment
one
time
and
we're
not
if
we're
not
voting
on
it
tonight,
we're
going
to
need
to
have
our
motion
to
continue
move
it
to
the
next
agenda
and
then
folks
will
come
back
to
speak
on
it
when
we're
actually
considering
it.
C
My
only
reservation
I
mean
I,
have
I
mean
I'm
a
little
I'm
a
little
disappointed
that
we're
having
to
put
it
off
because
I'm
not
I'm,
not
sure
it
will
meaningfully
change,
but
is
that
we
will
get
a
redraft
of
these
conditions
and
there
will
be
a
bunch
of
oh
that's,
not
what
I
thought
was
going
to
be
on
there.
Oh,
that's
not
how
I
thought
that
was
going
to
be
worded.
So
is
there
a
way?
C
D
D
C
I
mean
because
we're
statutorily
required
to
take
public
comments,
so
we
would
be
doing
it
again
at
the
next
at
the
whenever
this
comes
back
for
all
I
know
it
collapses
and
it
doesn't
come
back
and
and
so
I.
You
know,
I'm
not
saying
that's.
What's
going
to.
M
E
C
D
E
E
C
H
C
J
Mayor
if
I
could
just
clarify
one
additional
thing,
there
has
been
one
I
believe:
I've
got
the
list
of
conditions
that
we've
discussed
tonight,
but
there's
one
that
was
brought
up
that
wasn't
reached.
It
did
not
reach
the
final
determination
and
it
was.
J
Couched
as
the
inclusion
of
a
backpack,
now
there
was
discussion
about
an
area
which
is
reflected
on
this
concept
plan
which
we've
designated
as
a
back
pain
path,
which
pedestrian
and
allowance
for
bikes.
There
was
a
request
among
Council
that
a
specific
condition
be
included
that
the
site
plan
include
a
bike
pad
path.
W
I'd,
like
some
clarity
on
that
too,
where
on
the
plan
is,
is
there
we
have
a
connectivity
plan
that
was
submitted
with
our
project
material
can't
bring
it
up,
if
maybe,
if
maybe
will
can,
if
he's
here,
but.
T
E
I
heard
it
from
what
I
thought
was
another
councilwoman
that
this
bike
path
was
critical
and
then
I
heard
from
I
think
it
was
a
staff
member
that
with
the
if
you're
looking
at
this
picture,
the
Charlotte
Street
bottom
right
corner
because
of
their
variance
request
to
not
have
more
public
space
there,
whether
it
be
a
sidewalk
or
road,
with
winding
whatever
it
is,
because
this
building
will
not
set
back
like
it
should
per
our
Udo
that
there
will
not
ever
be
a
bike
Lane
right
there
in
theory,
and
that
this
interior
bike
lane
will
somehow
be
a
connective
point
to
this
grid.
E
T
Yeah
I
think
that
would
apply
to
Charlotte
Street
being
an
ncdot
controlled
roadway.
The
city
doesn't
have
any
purview
to
build
the
bike
lane
there
ourselves
so
we're
at
their
mercy,
and
so
this
project
is
an
opportunity
to
have
a
bike
facility
on
Charlotte
Street
sooner
than
it
would
happen.
Otherwise,
I
can't
really
speak
to
that
corner,
necessarily
except
that
I
like
path.
The
bike
cycle
track,
would
tie
into
the
college
street.
Do.
T
A
diagram
in
the
overall
presentation
that
talks
about
the
connectivity
and
it's
it's
conceptual,
but
but
there
are
in
the
price,
condition
number
nine.
It
talks.
I'm
sorry
number
can't
find
it
now
talks
about
the
number
14
talks
about
the
the
sidewalks
and
the
cycle
tracks
and
that
sort
of
thing,
so
it
is
14a
talks
about
the
Charlotte
Street
cycle,
track
bike
facility
and
14
B
talks
about
the
College
Street
minimum
six
feet
wide
bike
facility.
C
J
E
J
The
mayor,
the
last
thing
I
would
add,
is
that
it?
It
is
the
the
applicant's
decision
if
they
would
like
to
move
forward
or
ask
for
a
continuance.
So
Council
we'll
have
to
defer
to.
S
E
C
Okay,
we
have
a
motion,
a
second
all,
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
any
opposed.
C
C
M
C
C
All
right
we're
live
right
now,
so
welcome
back
to
the
Asheville
city
council
meeting
we
what
I
need
real
quick
here
before
we
continue,
is
a
motion
to
continue
Item
B
on
the
public
hearings
agenda
to
September
26
2023.
do
I
have
a
motion
so
move.
Okay
do
I,
have
second
Sandra.
C
Right
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed
all
right.
We
have
our
second
reading
under
unfinished
business.
I
have
Brad
I.
Have
your
name
on
you
did
you
want
to
say
a
couple
words
about
it?
Just.
J
Briefly,
mayor,
as
Council
will
remember
from
the
previous
state
council
meeting
staff
is
making
the
proposal
for
some
technical
amendments
to
the
two
ordinances
currently
dealing
with
solicitation.
Those
two
ordinances
specifically
are
of
sections
11-5
and
11-14.
J
The
proposal
was
provided
to
council,
which
would
update
the
current
language
of
those
to
comply
with
the
latest.
The
latest
Federal
Court
decisions.
They
add.
D
J
Penalties,
no
additional
or
increased
criminal
penalties
or
civil
penalties
for
any
violations,
but
they
are
intended
purely
to
add
some
specificity
and
remove
some
ambiguity
in
the
current
language
of
our
pre-existing
ordinances,
which
have
not
been
updated
in
many
many
years.
D
L
C
M
C
D
Okay,
that
concludes
our
unfinished
business.
We.
C
Have
a
two-part
item
under
new
business
and
it's
called
short-term
shelters,
which
is
kind
of
a
confusing
title
not
to
be
confused
with
short-term
rentals.
This
is
short-term
shelters.
AE
Key
takeaways
unsheltered
homelessness,
as
we
all
know,
has
increased
significantly
during
the
pandemic
and
based
on
the
needs
assessment
that
you
all
heard
that
our
community
heard
from
the
National
Alliance
to
end
homelessness.
In
January,
they
recommended
adding
95
new
emergency
shelter
beds
to
better
meet
the
need
again
as
a
that
has
increased
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic.
AE
Our
community's
planning
body
is
the
homeless
initiative.
Advisory
committee,
Hayak
and
Hayek
has
identified
three
shelter
providers,
who
can
collectively
add
a
total
of
43
new
emergency
shelter
beds
Hayek
through
this
process
is
ask
the
city
and
the
county
for
a
combined
1.75
million
to
fund
this
initiative,
and
the
county
voted
on
half
of
that
funding
875
000
last
week
did
approve
that
beds
would
be
available.
This
fall
and
would
complement
the
upcoming
permanent,
supportive
housing
developments
and
code
purple
to
meaningfully
expand
Community
capacity
to
respond
to
unsheltered
homelessness.
AE
AE
AE
Hayak
again
is
our
as
our
leadership
body
planning
body
on
homelessness
in
our
community,
initiated
a
series
of
work
groups
to
respond
to
or
to
implement
the
alliance
recommendations.
One
of
those
was
a
shelter
work
group
very
active
in
developing
a
strategy
to
produce
the
recommended
beds
and
through
a
request
for
partnership
that
that
work
group
issued,
they
identified
three
shelter
providers
who
were
able
to
add
capacity.
So
you
can
see
those
numbers
there.
AE
Haywood
Street
respite
is
able
to
add
three
additional
beds:
safe
shelter,
which
is
a
collaborative
of
Trinity
United,
Methodist,
Grace,
Episcopal
and
Grace
Covenant
Presbyterian
are
able
to
add
20
new
beds
and
then
Salvation
Army
is
able
to
add
20
new
beds,
shelter
work
group
also
through
this
process,
identified
a
need
to
preserve
45
beds
that
are
at
risk
of
closure
at
Salvation
Army
because
of
a
funding
Cliff
they're
facing
they
are
primarily
funded
through.
Some
cares
act.
Funding
currently,
and
that
is
ending
at
the
end
of
September.
AE
So
the
work
group
identified
a
need
to
preserve
those
45
beds
by
providing
funding
to
continue
that
current
operation
Hayek
approved
the
work
group's
recommendations
and
in
response
submitted
a
requests
to
the
city
and
to
Buncombe
County
to
a
two-part
response,
two-part
request,
one
to
provide
1.75
million
in
funding
to
add
those
43
new
beds
and
preserve
the
45
beds
at
Salvation
Army
and
two
to
participate
in
a
task
force
to
plan
a
new
permanent
High
access,
shelter.
I.
Don't
have
details
about
that.
Yeah.
That
planning
process
is
about
to
get
underway.
AE
I'm
happy
to
share
those
updates,
as
as
that
comes
together,
but
Hayek
did
make
that
request
that
the
city
participate
in
that
along
with
the
county
and
then
at
their
September
5th.
Meeting
Buncombe
County
Commissioners
authorized
875
000
in
arpa
funding
for
this
initiative
and
also
author
is
an
interlocal
agreement
to
provide
those
funds
to
the
city
to
administer
through
contracts
with
shelter
providers
just
trying
to
reduce
the
administrative
burden
to
those
shelter
providers
so
that
they
would
have
just
one
contract
rather
than
multiple.
C
AE
The
city,
as
you
know,
received
about
26
million
in
arpa
funding
and
currently
has
an
unallocated
balance
of
about
1.3
million
in
arpa
funding
and
so
in
alignment.
With
our
continued
commitment
to
implement
the
recommendations
from
the
nationalized
and
homelessness
staff
is
recommending
that
Council
match
the
County's
contribution
and
authorize
up
to
875
000
in
remaining
arpa
funding,
to
add
those
43
beds
and
preserve
the
existing
45
beds
and
authorize
an
interlocal
agreement
to
receive
and
administer
the
County's
matching
funds
for
this
initiative
key
takeaways
again.
This
is
a
capacity
expansion
for
our
community.
AE
In
response
to
the
the
recommendations
from
the
national
lights
and
homelessness
and
in
response
to
the
increased
need
that
came
out
of
the
pandemic,
we
have
a
shelter
work
group
participant
here
who
might
might
want
to
add
some
additional
contacts.
But
I
think
this
has
been
a
really
strong
Community
planning
process,
great
participatory
effort
and
great
leadership
from
the
homeless
initiative
advisory
committee.
C
Thanks
I
just
wanted
to
fill
out
one
other
data
point
here
and
Emily
was
talking
about
me
working
on
this
shelter,
sub
Committee
of
Hayak
Salvation
Army.
Between
the
time
we
got
the
report
from
the
National
Ice
and
homelessness,
calling
for
95
additional
beds,
Salvation
Army
gone
ahead
and
added
as
I
understand
it
15
beds.
So
so
we
that
gained
us
some
ground-
that's
outside
of
this,
so
so
the
43
were
really
of
the
95
needed
were
really.
C
We
would
be
58
towards
that
goal
with
what
Salvation
Army
is
doing,
and
part
of
this
is
to
help
Shore
up
their
their
ability
to
continue
to
provide
services
in
the
community.
So
that's
what
they
have
a
very
challenging
funding
situation
and
and
are
dependent
actually
on
and
have
been
historically
on
some
federal
programs
that
no
longer
exist
anymore.
So,
as
with
a
lot
of
things,
it's
sort
of
falling
to
the
local
governments
to
figure
out
how
to
help
continue,
support
these
providers.
C
E
D
H
J
J
Because
of
that,
it
follows
a
contractual
Provisions
set
that
is
established
by
the
federal
government,
which
includes
a
specific
provision
regulating
and
prohibiting
discriminatory
activity
as
part
of
the
contract.
So
there
will
be
a
non-discrimination
provision
included
in
this
and
every
other
arpa
contract.
In
addition
to
that,
I've
been
working
with.
J
And
members
of
my
office
to
ensure
that,
in
addition
to
that,
we
are
going
to
specifically
also
cite
the
city's
non-discrimination
ordinance
as
a
binding
effect
on
this
contract
as
well.
AE
If
I
can
add
to
that
I,
we
have
been
having
many
conversations
with
shelter
providers
throughout
this
process.
They're
all
aware
of
that
requirement,
both
Haywood
Street
and
Salvation
Army
currently
receive
federal
funding,
and
so
we're
already
familiar
with
those
Federal
requirements:
safe
shelter.
It
has
a
strong
commitment
to
equity
and
has
and
understands
the
non-discrimination
ordinance
that's
active
in
our
community,
so
we
have
addressed
that
with
all
three
providers
and
I
feel
confident
in
their
ability
to
comply
with
that.
C
Okay,
we,
since
this
is
a
item
not
on
our
public
hearings
agenda,
we'll
need
a
motion
unless
there
are
any
other
questions,
a
motion
to
approve,
and
then
we
can
take
comment.
D
M
I
make
a
motion
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
utilize
city
of
Asheville,
arpa
funding
for
short-term
shelters
entering
to
a
local
into
an
interlocal
agreement
with
Buncombe
County
to
administer
their
previously
approved
875
000
in
arpa.
Funding
for
this
project
enter
into
service
agreements
with
Salvation
Army,
say
shelter
and
he
was
treat
congregation
to
preserve
45
existing
and
create
43
new
high
access,
shelter
beds
and
approve
the
associated
budget.
Amendment.
C
We
have
two
people
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item.
You
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
Watch
the
lights
on
the
lectern
and
the
first
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
Nina
tobish.
AD
Good
evening,
council
members
and
bear
advice,
mayor,
I'm
delighted
to
see
this
action
by
the
city.
I
think
this
is
extremely
worthy
use
of
arpa
funds
and
I
want
to
commend
this
Council
and
City
staff
and
our
partners
in
the
not-for-profit
sector
for
commencing
to
bring
online
a
really
significant
number
of.
AD
AD
AD
So
an
interesting
lesson,
and
perhaps
something
to
consider
as
a
pilot
program
for
our
city
is
what
happens
if
you
just
give
people
money
and
let
them
find
the
housing
themselves,
it
turns
out
that
it
may
be
cheaper
for
the
city
to
do
it
that
way
than
it
is
for
us
to
try
and
develop
the
infrastructure
and
the
circumstances
to
do
it.
Ourselves
I'm
happy
to
send
you
a
citation
link
to
this
study.
AD
AF
AF
I'm
introduced
by
the
chorus
yeah
but
yeah
so
I'm,
the
associate
director
at
Grace,
Episcopal
Church
in
Asheville,
and
we
are
the
Fiscal
Agent
for
safe
shelter,
a
collaborative
between
three
churches
in
town
and
one
non-profit,
consultant
and
I
just
want
to
express
and
extend
my
gratitude
to
all
of
you
for
the
work
that
you
have
done
in
getting
us
to
this
point.
AF
So
that
we've
gone
from
a
point
where
God
in
March
of
last
year,
I
was
essentially
begging
before
the
Rotary
Club
for
fifteen
hundred
dollars
to
close
a
gap
in
funding
to
now
being
at
a
point
where
we're
looking
at
about
of
over
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
a
year-round
shelter
at
twice
the
capacity.
So,
thank
you
for
all
of
your
hard
work
and
if
it
isn't
already
obvious,
I
am
overwhelmingly.
AF
The
use
of
arpathons
for
these
shelter
projects,
as
well
as
those
from
the
Salvation
Army
and
Haywood
Street
congregation,
who
are
both
wonderful
organizations.
So
thank.
C
Evening,
thank
you
all
right,
Council.
We
don't
have
any
anyone
else
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item.
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second,
so
any
other
questions
all
right.
All
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye.
D
C
Yeah
I
will
and
always
focused
okay.
We
we
have
concluded
our
printed
agenda,
so
we're
going
to
move
into
general
public
comment
and
folks
who
are
signed
up
for
public
comment
again.
Three
minutes
to
speak,
watch
the
lights
on
the
lectern
and
green
beans
go
orange
or
yellow
whatever
it's
gonna,
it's
Maggie's
demonstrating
it
for
you
now
means
you're
almost
done
and
then
red
means
your
time
is
up.
P
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
thank
the
council
and
the
mayor.
I
belong
to
a
local
group
of
health
care
for
all
wnc
and
Statewide.
The
group
called
North
Carolina
Medicare
for
all.
P
I,
believe
all
of
you
have
recently
received
emails
about
this
resolution
in
April
2019
mayor
mannheimer
made
a
proclamation
in
support
of
Medicare
for
all.
However,
a
resolution
is
a
far
stronger
statement
from
the
city
council,
one
that
calls
for
our
state
and
federal
legislators
to
work
towards
the
immediate
enactment
of
Medicare
for
all.
You
will
be
joining
other
North
Carolina
municipalities,
Greensboro,
Durham,
Carrboro
and
Orange
County.
P
We
believe
all
residents
of
Asheville
and
Buncombe
County
deserve
adequate
and
Comprehensive
Health
Care,
without
premiums
covids
or
especially,
or
other
deductibles.
The
ever
rising
cost
of
Health
Care
affects
us
locally.
Some
of
you
may
feel
this
is
a
federal
issue.
That's
decided
in
Congress,
but
the
local
effects
are
really
quite
quite
impressive,
especially
those
people
starting
the
small
businesses
and
will
continue
to
challenge
our
strap,
State
and
Municipal
budgets.
P
I'm
sure
some
of
you
on
Council
would
have
a
much
better
idea
of
how
much
of
our
Municipal
budget
goes
to
health
care
costs
in
the
Medicare
act
for
2023
is
passed
in
the
law.
It
will
begin
to
redress
past
and
present
inequities
and
provided
reparation
to
our
communities
of
color.
As
MLK
once
Danielson
said,
the
worst
inequality
of
all
is
in
healthcare.
P
AB
Mayor
members
of
council,
thanks
for
your
time
tonight,
I'm
not
going
to
take
my
full
time.
I
had
I
had
some
things
prepared
that
I
want
to
talk
about,
but.
AB
Would
be
bad
in
light
of
what
I
think
was
kind
of
a
difficult
an
hour
or
two
yeah,
just
just
before
this
meeting
I'm
kind
of
a
glasses,
half
full
person,
but
only
I've
only
met
a
couple
of
you
here.
AB
I
was
probably
I'm
a
newcomer,
so
I
I
think
it
would
be
bad
for
me
to
try
and
and
convince
you
that
I
mean
some
things
that
I
wanted
to
say
constructively,
because
you
don't
know
me,
but
I
wanted
to
talk
about
the
subject
of
leadership
in
three
minute
sermon,
but
I'm
not
going
to
do
that.
AB
AB
AB
D
U
Supposed
to
be
two
of
us
tonight,
but
the
previous
part
of
the
meeting
lasted
so
long
that
she
had
to
go,
but
anyway,
I'm
here
to
say
that
I
am
a
mem.
I
am
a
propellant
of
Peace,
along
with
many
others
in
the
Asheville
area.
We
live
on
Ancient
Cherokee
lands
and
we
are
Want
to
Be
Free
of
the
ravages
of
War.
Therefore,
we
we
declare
our
observance
of
international
day
of
peace
and
non-violence
on
Thursday,
September,
21st
and
Saturday
September
23rd.
U
U
We
here
in
Asheville
Asheville,
been
celebrating
International
Day
of
Peace
for
14
years
now
we
recognize
that
weapons
of
war
are
the
major
contributions
to
climate
Devastation,
while
profiting
from
the
destruction
of
Earth,
plus
the
potential
use
of
nuclear
weapons
will
lead
to
the
end
of
civilization,
as
we
know
it
and
I'm
glad
that
the
city
signed
on
to
the
nuclear
non-proliferation
treaty,
that
is
through
the
United
Nations.
U
We
demand
diplomacy,
compromise
and
rights
sharing
in
order
to
remove
ourselves
from
this
culture
of
violence.
We
must
do
this
every
day
of
Our
Lives
Thus
We've,
set
aside
these
two
days
to
imagine
a
peaceful
world
where
we
celebrate
our
diversity
and
resolve
our
conflicts
in
non-violent
ways,
as
McCartney
Gandhi
himself
reminds
us.
An
eye
for
an
eye
makes
the
whole
world
blind.
U
So
we
invite
you
and
all
the
citizens
of
Asheville
Western
North
Carolina
to
walk
for
peace
on
Thursday
September
21st,
beginning
at
the
Ingalls
parking
lot
in
West
Asheville,
then
on
Saturday
we
honor
our
Peacemaker
of
the
year
Terry
Clark
and
his
wife
Brita,
as
well
as
honorees
on
our
honor
roll,
who
will
be
rusty,
chevellis,
Glenda,
McDowell
and
Chris
bird
so
join
us
as
we
unite
our
hearts
and
voices
to
imagine
a
world
free
of
war
and
to
celebrate
the
possibilities
of
Peace
disarmament.
I
won't
be
able
to
go
through
all
32
endorsing
groups.
C
Heading
for
your
time,
thank
you
so
much
Jen
Hampton.
N
Okay,
well
I'm,
just
here
well,
I
think
I
said
hi
good
evening.
It's
been
a
long
night,
as
you
know,
I'm
just
here
to
give
you
all
an
update
on
the
tourism
taxes
for
affordable
housing
campaign
and
Coalition
that
I'm
a
part
of,
and
just
to
clarify,
I'm
here
tonight
and
my
role
as
the
chair
of
Asheville
food
and
beverage
United
we're
part
of
this
coalition,
and
in
case
you
don't
know
what
the
campaign
is.
N
Like
I
said,
we
want
the
lift
funds.
I
already
told
you
that
part
I'll,
just
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
the
campaign.
So
about
three
months
worth
of
time.
We
had
dozens
of
canvassers
going
out
on
countless
shifts,
knocking
on
doors
going
into
businesses
talking
to
workers.
We
got
about
2
300
signatures
in
that
time
and
almost
all
of
those
were
real
in-person
conversations
that
we
had
with
community
members.
So
we
know
that
the
community
definitely
supports
this.
N
A
lot
of
residents
feel
a
lot
of
vitriol
towards
tourism
because
they
don't
see
any
benefit
to
the
community
of
it
that
all
the
benefit
just
goes
up
to
Capital
owners,
business
owners-
and
you
know,
workers
support
the
tourism
industry
and
we
feel
like
the
tourism
industry,
could
really
support
the
workers
and
the
community
at
large
make
a
difference
for
all
of
us.
So
that's
it.
Thank
you
all
for
listening.
V
I
know
it's
already
been
passed,
but
I
know
there's
change
in
the
future
and
there
will
I'm
sure
be
plenty
yet
to
do
on
that.
I
just
wanted
to
encourage
the
city
to
think
about
a
deeper
level
of
Engagement
with.
V
A
deeper
level
of
Engagement
with
the
people
who
are
soliciting
or
panhandling.
How
can
we
know
exactly
what
to
do
about
this
situation
if
we
don't
even
reach
out
to
the
people
who
will
be
affected
most
by
these
regulations,
I
think
it
is
important
to
make
it
a
broader
conversation.
I
did
not
see
that
happening
within
the
public
safety
and
environment
committee,
or
you
know,
hearing
Council
and
there's
a
lot
more
work
to
do
so.
I
hope,
you'll
really
broaden
the
conversation
on
that.
You
know.
There's
lots
of
things
to
be
thinking
about
here.
V
You
know
how
is
a
500
fine
for
soliciting
when
someone
breaks
that
eight
foot
barrier
going
to
affect
that
person
when
they
can't
pay
it
and
how
will
they
end
up
going
into
the
criminal
justice
system
and
how
will
that
affect
this
person?
How
will
it
affect
our
community?
These
are
all
questions
that
have
not
even
been
discussed,
much
less
addressed
in
any
meaningful
way
and
I
hope.
The
council
will
take
this
on
with
gusto
I.
V
Think
that
the
idea
of
you
know
do
we
even
need
a
solicitation
ordinance,
and
why
was
this
put
in
back
in
the
old
days?
We
don't.
We
are
not
required
to
have
a
solicitation
ordinance,
and
you
know
we
didn't
have
any
discussion
about
that
as
a
community
or
as
a
council
I
think
it's
important
to
start
it
Square
zero
on
this
and
really
have
an
honest
conversation
about
you
know
where
this
comes
from,
and
what
to
do
I
will
be
helping
to
coordinate
a
conversation.
V
That
is
a
community
conversation,
but
of
course
folks
from
Council
are
welcome
to
come.
This
will
be
in
West
Asheville
of
this
coming
Thursday
at
6,
00
p.m.
At
the
12
baskets
building
on
610,
Haywood,
Road
I
think
a
community
needs
to
be
discussing
this
and
understanding
really
where
we
need
to
go
with
Public
Safety
I
know
that
we're
no
longer
formally
in
the
period
of
reimagining
Public
Safety
anymore,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
conversations
that
need
to
be
had
and
I
look
forward
to
participating.
Thank
you.
V
C
C
Morning
on
Blue
Ridge,
Public
Radio,
they
were
saying
that
tonight
we
were
going
to
discuss
an
expansion
of
solicitation
and
I
quickly
emailed
the
host
of
this
morning
show
to
clarify
that
we
were
not
doing
that
and
she
corrected
that
information.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
the
information
is
clear
right.
C
C
I
don't
see
it.
Okay,
I
also
have
Christopher
charmante
on
here,
but
I
also,
don't
see
him
anymore.
Okay,
Paul
Howell,.
AG
AG
Constituents
yeah
services
for
y'all,
quick
response
to
my
email
address
to
everybody
that
could
I
be
on
North
Market
Street
areas
Saturday
morning
at
the
city
market.
They
have
down
there
and
most
of
the
people
that
goes
to
that
market
are
older
people
and
kids,
and
you
got
people
that
come
down
whipping
Street
I,
see
the
speed
limit,
I
think
it's
35,
but
you
got
people
to
come
down
there
doing
45
50
speed.
AG
You
got
the
crosswalks
right
there
that
sometimes
they
work
and
sometimes
they
don't
and
you
got
people
after
standing
there,
I
guess
without
the
crossword
crosswalk
changing
for
two
or
three
times
getting
patient
tracking
across
the
street.
I've
seen
quite
a
few
people
almost
in
here,
but
you
got
some
bushes
right
there
in
front
of
the
wood
I
think
that's
the
Woodland
Apartments
in
bushy
rose
flower
bushes,
something
that
blocks
people
from
being
able
to
see
the
traffic
coming
and
the
boys
to
chat
with
them,
seeing
them
standing
there.
AG
So
if
anybody
cuts
that
curve
quick,
they
don't
have
to
get
hit.
If
anybody
steps
down
off
the
curb
to
try
to
look
around
the
bush,
they've
been
able
to
get
hit
I'm
bringing
this
to
y'all's
attention
now
because
I
know
this
is
something
that
can
be
handled
before
next
Saturday
before
they
had
the
next
city
market.
As
far
as
boys
and
bushes,
out
of
the
way
you
make
sure
the
crosswalks
were
I
didn't
come
with
no
bad
intense
tonight,
just
want
to
say
thank
you
all
for
what
y'all
doing
and
that's
all.
Y
Hi
I
want
to
talk
about
the
pack,
Square
Plan
and
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
say
our
love
affair
of
cars
has
created
a
lot
of
damage
to
our
cities,
mainly
with
significant
large
parking,
surface
parking
lots
and
then
the
major
roads
that
we
built
where
people
go
super
fast.
Y
One
example
is,
of
course,
the
development
that
you
were
talking
about
recently:
I
counted
the
spaces,
there's
there's
about
475
surface
parking
spaces
there,
which
is
absurd
for
a
downtown
area
and
how
I'm
going
to
get
towards
the
pack
Square
project,
because
I
think
we
need
to
be
bold.
Here
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
in
the
name
of
urban
planning
and
the
urban
renewal
is
the
South
Charlotte
Street
Highway,
it's
a
five-lane
highway
that
cut
all
off
the
East
End
Neighborhood
from
the
block
those
neighborhoods
were
connected.
Y
My
view
is,
it
was
probably
it
was
purposely
done,
a
five-lane
highway.
The
only
access
is
the
overhead
Bridge
to
me,
I
think.
If
we're
going
to
be
doing
the
past
Square
Plan,
first
of
all,
the
pack
Square
Plan
should
have
no
car
access.
There's
no
reason
cars
need
to
be
going
through
every
Road
in
the
city.
We
need
to
start
making
pedestrian
roads.
Pack
square
is
the
first
opportunity
we
have
to
make
a
pedestrian
neighborhood
and
then
what
we
could
do
with
and
that
would
connect
the
block
and
then
on
South
Charlotte
Street.
Y
That
should
be
reduced
to
three
lanes
with
parking
on
both
sides
paid
parking
and
all
those
funds
can
go
towards
the
block,
the
neighborhood
centers
in
the
block
or
the
East
and
neighborhood.
There
is
no
reason
why
that
South,
Charles
Street,
should
be
a
five
Lane
highway.
I
almost
got
run
over
myself,
Crossing
Tunnel,
Road
or
College
Street.
Y
A
car
came
down
as
a
green
light
for
me
and
he
didn't
stop
and
he
made
a
right
turn
going
50
miles
an
hour
same
thing
and
so
and
I
think
it'd
be
a
big
Improvement
to
pack
Square
to
make
it
all.
Walkable
I
mean
think
of
Central
Park
and
the
the
parks
there.
We
don't
have
cars
going
through
now,
they've
blocked
a
lot
of
those
roads.
We
shouldn't
be
having
cars
going
through
pack
square.
Y
If
we're
going
to
make
it
a
usable
pedestrian
park
for
people,
we
need
our
city,
be
for
people
not
for
cars,
and
I
mean
look
at
streets
like
Wall
Street,
there's,
no
reason
cars
should
be
going
down.
Wall
Street
same
thing
with
pack,
Square
I
mean
I,
know,
there's
a
fire
station
there
and
there's
some
cross
streets
and,
of
course,
I
want
it
to
be
connected
to
the
block.
Y
But
the
block
should
also
be
connected
to
East
End
Neighborhood,
and
that
would
be
accomplished
by
doing
a
significant
reduction
in
the
traffic
of
South
Charlotte
Street
and
having
parking
there.
The
parking
there
would
allow
people
to
walk
through
the
block
to
get
to
downtown
would
create
make
it
a
much
more
vibrant
area.
If
people
parked
on
South
Charlotte
Street,
it
would
also
provide
parking
for
the
service
workers.
I
know
that
there's
an
issue
there
so
to
me
that
would
at
least
repair
some
of
the
damage
that
was
done
during
urban
renewal.
Y
C
Z
Hi,
my
name
is
Jonathan
Wayne,
Scott
and
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
touch
on
something
that
Miss
Mosley
said
at
the
last
meeting.
It
was
in
regards
to
the
bike
Lanes,
but
it
really
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
bike
Lanes.
It
was
that
you
feared
that
perhaps
in
20
years
or
the
possibility
in
20
years
that
people
would
look
back
on
the
city
council
and
find
that
it
had
done
damage
to
the
black
community,
and
there
are
so
many
previous
City
councils
before
this
that
have
done
much
greater
damage.
Z
I
mean
the
very
first
one
that
was
set
up
in
1931
featured
a
high
level
of
disenfranchisement
before
this
body
was
even
created
in
our
very
first
City
attorney.
That
was
chosen
by
that
city.
Council
was
one
of
those
Merriman
boys
who
was
from
a
quite
a
white
supremacist
family
and
of
course,
we
had
the
redlining
Maps
developed
in
the
1930s
in
the
50s,
the
city
of
Asheville
sold
its
River
Park
swimming
pool,
rather
than
integrate
in
1975.
Z
The
city
council
refused
to
appoint
Dr
Otis
Michael
to
Mayor,
even
though
he
won
the
most
number
of
votes
and
in
1948
Paul
Robeson
was
interested
in
speaking
here
in
Asheville
with
a
fully
integrated
audience
and
he
petitioned
the
city
council
to
make
that
happen,
and
they
declined
his
request.
Floyd
mckissick
senior
came
here
and
probably
stood.
L
Z
To
make
that
request,
and
he
he
was
denied
now,
oddly
in
2019,
however
I
think
great
damage
was
done
to
the
black
community
when
we
unfortunately
renewed
our
1931
born
in
white
supremacy
election
system.
It
breaks
my
heart
that
Mrs
Smith's
name
was
on
that.
As
I've
told
you
in
in
private
and
I
voted
for
you
for
the
chance
to
reverse
that
history.
Z
I
know
that
you're
concerned
about
your
legacy
and
I
would
hate
to
see
this
city
council
do
things
that
harm
the
black
community
by
action
or
in
in
action,
and
you.
L
Z
Mentioned
that
you
are
kind
of
tired
of
seeing
white
people
come
and
talk
about
how
you
know
they
want
their
their
stuff
and
how
much
it
benefits
the
black
community.
D
Z
That
conversation
in
all
of
2019
was
just
a
parade
of
of
white
people
who
didn't
know
what
they
were
talking
about
and
unfortunately,
unfortunately
you
know
we
still
have
this
Legacy.
So
it's
my
hope
that
you
will
change
history
because
it's
in
the
palm
of
your
hand,
if
you
choose
to
do
so.
So
thank
you
very
much.
L
Good
evening,
and
thank
you
very
much
mayor
vice
mayor
council
pressures
and
all
of
your
support
people-
that's
here
I'm
here
for
the
first
time
in
a
long
time,
but
I
want
to
say
something:
I
hope
will
help.
L
But
when
this
city
united,
we
have
now
came
to
work
in
Asheville,
approximately
six
weeks
after
taking
over
the
job
one
of
the
worst
situations
that
any
city
manager
has
ever
confronted
with.
She
was
confronted
with
it
and
that
was
the
black
matter.
Black
lives
matter
activity,
I
recalled
the
city
manager
standing
in
the
vegetable
of
the
city,
hall,
Police,
Department
and
noise
sounded,
and
the
city
manager
jumped
and
looked
around
she's
into
Police
Department,
possibly
the
most
safe
place.
L
It
could
be,
but
she
jumped,
after
that
this
is
necessary
to
take
over
the
job
of
City
Earth
job,
the
city
manager.
However,
it
is
difficult,
I'm
sure
to
do
so
because
of
the
fact
that
black
lives
matter
activities
going
off
about
17
months,
which
is
additional
duty
that
had
to
be
taken
care
of,
and
that
was
taken
care
of,
along
with
the
regular
duty
of
the
city.
L
Excuse
me
for
the
city
manager
when
you're
when
you
are
managing
17
department,
heads
or
19
department
heads
along
with
all
the
other
responsibility,
it
requires
a
real
tall
and
strong
and
knowledgeable
person
in
order
to
carry
that
out
and
keep
the
city
Sane
I'm,
hoping
that
the
decisions
that
will
be
made
to
retain
will
be
to
retain
our
current
sitting
manager.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
and
you'll
be
happy
to
know
that
we
made
an
announcement
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
which
was
a
really
long
time
ago,
that
we
that
will
be
renewing
her
contract
for
another
two-year
period.
I
mean
December,
so
that
was
our
final
speaker
for
this
evening
and
we
don't
have
a
closed
session.
Thankfully,
so
we
are
adjourned.