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From YouTube: Housing and Community Development – June 20, 2023
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Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council's Housing & Community Development Committee.
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B
Good
morning,
everyone
I'm
Sage
Turner,
chair
of
the
Housing
and
Community
Development
Committee
I'd,
like
to
welcome
you
to
our
June
20th
2023
remote
meeting.
All
council
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
today
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
welcome
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
State,
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
We're
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement,
Hub
and
that's
accessible
through
the
city's
website
on
the
front
page.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone.
B
B
855-925-2801
and
the
meeting
code
for
this
meeting
is
9791,
your
phone
will
be
muted
and
you
will
hear
the
meeting
live
and
then
at
that
point
the
speakers
will
need
to
push
star
3
on
your
phone
and
you'll
be
put
in
the
speaker:
queue.
Okay,
just
a
general
reminder.
If
you
can
stay
on
mute
until
you
need
to
speak
I'm
gonna,
do
a
quick
roll
call.
You
can
come
off,
come
off,
mute
and
say
hello,
real,
quick,
Council
of
Staff
as
I
call
your
name.
B
Please
say
a
quick
hello,
councilwoman
Antoinette
Mosley
good
morning,
councilwoman
Shanika
Smith
good
morning,
assistant
city
manager,
Rachel
Wood
good
morning.
Community
and
economic
development,
director
Nikki
ring
hello,
everyone,
affordable
housing
officer,
Sasha
bertinski
good
morning,
senior
assistant,
City
attorney,
Janice
Ashley
good
morning,
all
right
and
then
before
starting
our
meeting
and
talking
about
our
one
agenda.
Item
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
Nikki
Reed,
our
community
and
economic
development
director
to
introduce
someone.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much.
Yes,
today,
I'd
like
to
introduce
Dennis
Newburn,
he
is
our
new
Community
Development
Division
manager.
Dennis
has
been
in
the
role
for
just
over
a
month
now,
so
we
welcome
Dennis
still
welcoming
him
to
Cole.
A
He
has
extensive
experience
in
both
cdbg
home
and
affordable
housing
development
finance
and
comes
to
us
from
the
City
of
Clarksville
Tennessee.
So
Dennis.
If
you
want
to
say
hello,
introduce
yourself
and
and
share
anything
with
our
Housing
and
Community
Development
Committee.
B
That's
great
welcome
Dennis.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
joining
the
city,
okay,
we
are
going
to
quickly
queue
up
our
agenda
and
we
have
two
things
on
the
agenda.
So
first
up
is
just
approval
of
the
minutes
from
May
22nd.
Anybody
have
any
changes,
comments
or
may
I
get
a
motion
so
moved.
Second,
all
right
and
remember,
pool
so
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Councilwoman,
Antonette,
aye,
councilwoman,
Smith,
hi,
myself,
I
in
the
minutes,
have
been
approved.
B
D
Sure
thank
you
and
yes,
so
I'm
Sasha
bertinski
with
Community
Economic
Development,
thanks
Katie
and
I'm
here
to
present
46
Aston
Street,
which
request
for
a
land
use
incentive
Grant.
Next,
you
all
so
just
a
few
key
takeaways
before
we
dive
in
this
project
is
for
47,
affordable
units.
D
With
the
affordability
period
set
at
21
years.
Those
units
will
be
at
80
percent
Ami
or
below.
The
total
project
has
231
units.
Under
our
current
policy,
this
project
qualifies
for
City,
one
21
years
of
city
taxes
paid
back
for
a
total
Grant
of
1.953
million
and
in
previous
discussions,
as
you
know,
we've
discussed
that
the
current
luige
policy
doesn't
adequately
address
this
type
of
development.
D
D
So
just
some
background
about
this
project.
They
applied
for
this
grant
back
in
last,
fall
because
of
holidays
and
timing
of
committees.
It
wasn't
it
didn't
get
to
Housing
Community
Development
Committee
until
February
of
this
year
and
at
that
meeting
in
February
hcd
requested
that
ahac
look
at
the
policy
implications.
Around
micro
unit
requests,
both
ahac
and
staff,
recommended
delaying
consideration
of
Luigi
applications
and
awards
for
micro
apartment
projects
until
the
policies
revised
and
I
I
just
said.
We,
you
all
approve
that
recommendation
last
month.
Next.
D
So
ahac
also
recommended
that,
if
Council
wanted
to
proceed
with
the
consideration
of
these
projects,
that
developers
should
fully
address
their
concerns
and
hear
hear
their
concerns
that
they
wanted.
They
thought
should
be
addressed
one
whether
the
incentive
should
be
adjusted
to
account
for
smaller
unit
size.
D
They
were
interested
in
whether
or
not
the
demand
for
that
smaller
unit
size
with
limited
kitchen
area
and
shared
kitchens
was
there
for
among
people
who
are
seeking
affordable
units.
So
there
was
some
concern
around
market
demand.
D
D
So
next,
so
just
to
give
you
a
recap
of
this
project.
I
know
you've
heard
this
before,
but
just
to
be
clear
so
that
we're
all
starting
fresh,
this
project
is
231
units
with
community
space
as
well.
D
One
of
the
requirements
for
the
land
use
incentive
Grant
is
around
how
much
percentage
of
rentable
square
footage
is
residential,
and
this
is
a
hundred
percent
of
all
rentable
square
footage
is
residential
of
the
231
units.
47
rental
apartments
or
20
percent
would
be
affordable,
serving
households
at
or
below
80
Ami
for
a
minimum
of
21
years
and
we're
matching
that
affordability
period
with
the
grant
period.
D
D
So
here's
the
location,
you'll
see
Cox
there
at
the
left
of
the
site
in
just
up
the
street
from
here
is
our
actually
excuse
me.
You
can
see
the
green
roof
of
our
Transit
Center,
so
it's
very
close
to
our
Transit
Center,
which
is
partly
why
this
project
qualifies
for
so
many
points
projects
that
you
get
more
points
for
just
being
in
the
CBD,
because
it's
so
difficult
and
expensive
to
develop
in
our
Central
business
district.
D
D
D
So
here's
a
summary
of
the
points
that
this
project
earns
meeting
that
Baseline
of
20
units
affordable,
gets
you
20
points,
that's
the
you
know
the
Baseline
to
even
get
into
the
program.
D
10
of
all
units,
accepting
rental
assistance
is
another
10
points
and
again,
as
I
was
saying,
the
location
really
is
the
big
earner
here
being
in
the
CBD
being
very
close
to
a
half
hour.
Transit
stop
in
a
job
center
and
and
close
to
the
transit
center
itself.
Also
gets
you
points.
They
are
willing
to
do:
Energy,
Efficiency
or
energy
star
for
Five,
Points,
Green,
Building,
certification
and
Universal,
Design
and
20
of
the
units,
and
then
total
points
is
105
points
or
21
years
of
taxes
granted
next.
D
D
So
when
we
multiply
that
93
000
times
21,
we
get
to
1.953
million,
and
then
we
divide
that
by
the
number
of
units
which
gets
you
a
per
unit
subsidy
of
41
566
dollars
per
unit.
D
This
is
under
our
our
eighty
thousand
dollar
limit
in
the
policy
and
then
after
year,
21,
the
city
would
receive
the
full
taxes
back
so
and
then
again
just
to
be
clear
because
the
the
policy
lets
you
get
21
years
and
but
it
says,
20
years
of
affordability,
we
really
we
need
those
to
match.
You
can't
have
an
affordability
period
shorter
than
the
amount
of
time
you're
getting
money
back,
so
they've
agreed
to
21
years
on
both
counts.
Next.
D
So,
just
to
be
clear
with
staff's
recommendation,
our
recommendation
around
delaying
the
decision
on
this
Luigi
for
46
Aston
is
not
a
reflection
on
the
quality
of
this
project.
This
is
a
good
project.
It's
well
located.
D
It's
you
know
without
having
to
have
a
car
being
close
to
Transit
and
being
downtown.
It
is
more
sustainable.
There's
no
I
or
I
feel
strongly
as
a
planner.
I
feel
strongly
about
that
and
I'm
clear
on
that.
D
D
Whether
or
not
a
project
gets
built
to
address
the
issue
with
vouchers,
the
developer
has
confirmed
with
the
housing
authority
and
the
Veterans
Administration
that
these
units
would
qualify
for
vouchers
and
then,
according
to
the
HUD
voucher
handbook
on
special
unit
types,
these
units
are
not
categorized
as
single
room
occupancy,
which
was
an
issue
raised
by
ahac,
so
they're
categorized
as
efficiencies
or
Studios
instead.
D
So
that
means
that
the
rent,
basically,
what
that
means
is
the
rental
category
is
not
or
the
events
that
they
can
ask
for,
would
be
efficiency
or
Studio
rents
under
HUD
guidelines.
Single
room
occupancy
rents
are
75
percent
of
efficiency
rents
so
but
they
don't
qualify
for
that,
so
that's
been
addressed.
D
Then
there
are
a
few
con
few
concerns
that
ahac
rays
that
haven't
been
addressed.
The
market
demand
for
these
units
by
people
who
need
affordable
housing.
It's
not
clear
and
on
the
other
hand
there
could
be.
You
know
great
demand,
we're
just
not
entirely
sure
whether
or
not
the
subsidies
are
needed
for
the
rents
to
be
affordable
and
whether
the
incentive
should
be
a
lower
amount
due
to
the
smaller
unit
sizes.
D
D
D
Delaying
the
consideration
of
the
Louise
would
give
time
for
the
policy
to
be
revised
in
a
more
holistic
way
and
give
city
council
more
information
to
consider
about
these
types
of
projects
and
then
with
more
time
and
input,
and
we
also
have
an
affordable
housing
plan
coming
we're
hoping
to
start
in
in
August
with
that
plan,
a
consulting
firm,
we're
in
a
selection
process
right
now,
the
city
that
they
can
bring
some
expertise
to
kind
of
inform
some
of
these
decisions
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that,
and
then
a
con
of
following
the
staff
recommendation.
D
Is
you
know
a
delay
in
a
decision
for
this
project?
You
know
reduces
the
developer's
certainty
around
subsidies
for
affordable
units
next.
D
Consideration
or
if
Council
delays,
consideration
of
this
project
for
luige
there's
no
fiscal
impact,
but
if
it
is
granted,
you
know
the
fiscal
impact
is
that
93
000
a
year
for
21
years
being
granted
back
for
a
total
of
1.953
million,
and
you
know,
and
then
that's
pretty
much
it.
This
is
some
more
language
here,
but
we
set
a
budget
every
year
for
our
land
use
incentive
Grant.
So
we
are
planning
in
the
future
for
what
that
looks
like
next.
D
So
our
stack
of
recommendation
is
because
Louise
guidelines
and
standards
do
not
currently
address
this
type
of
project.
We're
recommending
that
city
council
delay
consideration
of
this
application
until
the
policy
has
been
revised
and
addresses
micro,
Apartments
next
and
then
I
think
these
are
just
the
key
takeaways
I
went
over
at
the
beginning,
and
that
concludes
my
presentation.
Happy
to
take
any
questions.
B
E
I,
don't
have
any
comments.
I
think
I
have
a
question
about
the
difference
between
the
value
of
a
single
room
occupancy
and
the
value
of
a
efficiency
in
the
studio.
You
said
something
about
75
of
one
or
the
other
I
didn't
get
that
part
I'm.
D
Sorry,
yeah
and
I,
so
basically,
HUD
has
a
rent
schedule
and
we've
just
released
that
a
few
weeks
ago,
based
on
the
area
media
incomes
right.
So
we
have
rents
for
efficiencies.
D
One
bedroom,
two
bedroom,
three
bedroom:
four
bedroom:
we
don't
have
any
rent
from
HUD
that
says
what
a
micro
apartment
would
go
for,
which
has
been
kind
of
our
concern.
Someone
on
ahac
saw
some
language
around
single
room
occupancy
and
if
you
have
a
single
room
occupancy,
which
is
as
HUD
defines
it
in
that
handbook
is
a
unit
that
either
has
it
can
have
either
a
small
kitchenette
like
these
units
or
a
bathroom,
but
it
can't
have
both.
So
it
means
you're
having
some
kind
of
facility
in
common.
D
So
you
might
have
a
common
bathroom
like
a
big
bath,
you
think
of
like
old
style
boarding
houses
almost
like
you
might
have
a
little
kitchen
area,
and
then
everybody
shares
a
big
bathroom
or
you
have
a
bathroom,
but
that
everybody
shares
a
kitchen.
So
HUD
in
that
handbook.
Hud
outlines
that
if
you
have
both
of
those
things
which
these
units
do
they
both
have.
You
have
your
own
private
bathroom
and
you
also
have
a
small
kitchenette,
meaning
a
microwave
sink
and
I.
Suppose
you
could
add
some
other
appliances.
D
If
you
want
so
under
those
HUD
guidelines,
it
does
not
meet
a
single
room
occupancy
unit,
and
so
HUD
is
saying
that
if
you
had
a
single
room
occupancy
the
rent,
you
can
charge
75
of
an
efficiency
unit
or
Studio
unit.
So
I'm,
sorry,
if
I
confused
you
all
I,
sometimes
I
just
start
talking
and
I
I
should
stop.
Do.
F
D
Well,
I
can
tell
you
what
HUD
rents
are
and
what
75
percent
of
that
rent
would
be.
I
can't
tell
you
if
a
market
rent
for
the
other
units
is
going
to
be
affordable.
If
that's
what
you're
I'm,
not
sure,
if
that's
what
you
mean
like
it
would
be
naturally
occurring
anyway,
I'm,
not
sure.
If
that's
what
you
mean
well.
D
D
D
Just
like
sure,
I'm
reading
the
right
thing
here
for
an
efficiency,
it's
eleven
hundred
ninety
dollars
with
utilities
included
for
vouchers,
the
maximum
rent
for
efficiency
or
studio,
is
13.97
and
that's
for
sixty
percent
very
low
income.
Folks.
D
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
that
would
have
included
utilities.
I
guess
8.93,
okay,
councilman
Smith.
Did
that
answer
your
question
yeah!
Okay,
so
one
of
the
things
said
was
you
know
the
affordability
period
can't
be
shorter
than
the
term
of
forgiveness,
but
or
abatement.
D
You
can
always
do
more,
so
our
Baseline
is.
It
has
to
be
affordable
for
20
years
right
period,
so,
but
so
a
lot
of
times
the
benefit
period
will
be
16
years
or
17
years
of
the
Grant,
and
that's
fine,
so
it'll
be
more,
but
we
don't
want
to
be
paying
Developers
for
units
that
are
no
longer
affordable
right.
It's
just
that
one.
You
know
that
one
coming
now
we
do
have
developers
like
Fair
Haven,
you
know
that's
a
30-year
affordability
and
you
get
more
points
for
the
30.
B
Years,
I
guess
what
I'm
getting
at
is
I
mean
I.
We
intentionally
went
to
ahac
and
said:
what
do
you
recommend
here
and
then
we
agreed
okay.
Thank
you.
We're
looking
at
pausing
this
I,
just
in
my
personal
opinion,
I'm
worried
about
losing
the
potential
47
units
that
are
affordable
and
guaranteed.
So
I'm
wondering
if
you
know
if
there
might
be
greater
discussion
had
around
guessing
at
what's
really
probably
going
to
come
from.
This
update
is
probably
going
to
be
lower,
Amis
or
higher
percentage
of
unit
or
something
right.
B
We
don't
know,
but
in
theory,
if
it
were
going
to
be
more
aggressively
seeking
affordability,
it
would
touch
on
those
things
so
I'm
kind
of
wondering
if
there's
time
before,
hcd
and
Council
to
vet.
Some
of
that
but
I,
don't
know
I
mean
it
would
it's
outside
the
norm
and
stuff
I
just
am
really
worried
about
not
having
the
units.
That's
my
concern
and
I
think
the
developer
had
expressed
that
if
I
understand
correctly,
they
just
want
to
get
get
through
it.
B
If
they're
going
to
get
a
no,
they
want
to
get
the
no
because
they
need
to
hit
some
financing
deadlines.
So
you
know
I,
guess,
there's
a
committee
here,
sorry
I've
got
a
dog
in
the
background,
that's
deaf!
So
she
can't.
You
can't
tell
her
to
stop
so
I
guess:
I
wondered
if
we
want
to.
We
could
either
do
two
things.
We
could
have
a
motion
today
to
recommend
this
go
to
council
or
recommend
that
we
approve
it
or
not.
B
G
H
And
also
I
think
the
motion
would
still
have
to
be
a
recommendation
whether
it's
recommendation
to
it
couldn't
just
be
well.
We
just
wanted
Council
to
consider
it
sort
of
the
way
you
said
we
just
want
Ahab
to
look
at
this.
It's
a
little
bit
more.
Don't
you
think
for
to
move
it
up
to
council
needs
a
recommendation
whether
it's
approved
deny
or
some
maybe
modification,
which
would
be
your
option
to
to
recommend
apply
in
the
policy,
but
maybe
in
a
slightly
different
way,
as
you
suggested.
D
If
you,
if,
if
it's
okay,
chair
I
realized,
I
did
I
left
a
couple
details
out
and
I
didn't
mean
to
do
that.
It's
my
understanding
and
and
David
Moritz
could
confirm
this
since
he's
here
that
they
are
willing
to
set
aside
all
20
and
I'm,
not
trying
to
argue
either
I.
C
D
Want
to
make
sure
you
have
all
the
information
and
I
didn't
leave
anything
out,
but
they
are
willing
to
set
aside
the
20
of
the
units
for
voucher
holders
and
I
realized
that
wasn't
in
the
presentation
and.
F
Probably
wait
on
him,
so
the
thing
that
always
gets
me
in
this
regard
is
we've
just
heard
that
the
technically
the
amount
for
the
voucher
is
more
than
the
rental
rates.
Anyway,
of
course,
you
couldn't
charge
more
for
the
voucher
holders,
but
I'm
still
trying
to
figure
out
why
that
would
necessarily
need
to
be
incentivized,
because
it's
incentivized
on
its
own
does
that
question
make
sense
to
anyone,
but
me.
B
E
F
B
F
F
F
That
was
the
question.
I
believe
that
ahec
struggled
with
as
well,
because
then
it
becomes.
Would
you
prefer
to
have
the
tax
dollars
and
perhaps
those
tax
dollars
go
into
the
Housing
Trust
Fund.
F
Hence
why
we
were
putting
a
pause
on
all
applications
until
there
could
be
specific
guidelines
related
to
micro
units,
because
I
believe
the
answer
is,
we
don't
know.
B
Yeah
I
hear
that
I
guess
and
my
concern
is
just
Why:
why
lose
these
units
while
we
try
and
figure
that
out
I
feel
like
that
was?
The
onus
was
maybe
on
us
to
have
this
policy
ahead
of
these
applications
is
I,
don't
know,
I
can
understand
why
the
developer
wants
to
move
forward
and
get
there
yes
or
no,
because
yeah.
B
I
I
We
think
that
vouchers
are
important,
I
mean
taking
a
step
back,
we
think
affordable
housing
is
one
of
the
most
important
issues
facing
a
city
today,
and
it's
going
to
continue
to
be
the
most
important
issue
facing
the
city
in
the
next
10
20
years,
because
and
housing
is
one
of
the
things
that
other
issues
flow
from
the
lack
of
housing
when
people
don't
have
safe
housing
or
secure
housing,
we
also
get
more
other
societal
problems
and
we
chose
to
build
micro,
Apartments
Downtown,
because
we
felt
it's
one
of
the
greatest
solutions
to
affordable
housing
and
solving
the
affordable
housing
crisis
by
offering
cost-effective
Urban
living
options
that
provide
sustainability,
Community
interaction
and
flexible
lifestyle.
I
These
are
things
that
make
micro,
Apartments
downtown,
very
attractive
to
renters
and
and
my
business
partner,
Scott
Shapiro
has
built
over
10
of
these,
two
of
which
have
been
recently
built
in
Nashville,
Tennessee
and
they're.
Very
popular
and
the
rents
in
the
National
units
are
between
1200
to
1400
a
month,
and
we
don't
know
exactly
what
the
rents
will
be
in
Asheville
costs
have
been
going
up
significantly,
but
you
know
I
think
the
the
reason
for
the
the
affordable.
I
Luigi
Grant
and
the
voucher
program
is
to
dedicate
a
certain
number
of
units
to
be
affordable
for
the
next
21
years,
and
nobody
knows
what
could
happen
five
years
from
now
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
most
important
thing
the
city
can
do
is
to
to
lock
those
units
in
for
the
next
20
years
and
I
think
particularly
the
vouchers
and
I
met
with
the
VA
recently
and
and
I'm
going
to
ask
him
to
speak.
I
If
we
do
go
to
City
Council
on
that,
he
thought
these
would
be
very
attractive
to
the
VA
voucher
users,
because
90
of
them
don't
have
vehicles
so
making
it
walkable
in
downtown.
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
incredibly
attractive
to
voucher
users
and
also
the
currently
the
wait
list
for
vouchers
is
terribly
long.
I
met
a
man
the
other
day
right
at
Aston
street
I
was
there.
I
I
happened
to
be
there
and
he
lives
at
Maple
Crest
and
he
applied
for
a
unit
in
2018.,
and
now
he
lives
there
in
a
one
bedroom
by
himself
he's
59
years
old.
He
walks
with
a
cane
he
had
walked
up
to
ask
them
to
be
downtown
where
this
came
and
he
pays
300
in
rent,
which
is
actually
paid
for
by
his
son
and
his
church,
and
it's
those
kind
of
people
that
I
think
we're
trying
to
assist
with
the
program
because
I,
don't
the
this
voucher
program.
I
I
think
is
the
main
key
to
allocating
units,
and
there
are
people
who
don't
have
cars
and
I
think
will
find
this
incredibly
attractive,
so
we're
trying
to
try
something
new.
It's
an
option
for
people
to
live,
downtown
affordably
and
one
thing
I
want
to
bring
in
mind
with
the
the
the
Luigi
Grant.
I
I
dollars
per
month.
So
I
appreciate
you
guys
or
the
the
committee
to
review
this,
and
if
you
have
any
other
questions,
be
happy
to
answer
them.
B
Okay,
that
is
interesting.
165
a
month.
You
know
one
thing
I
always
try
and
remember
is
that
you
know
if
the
city
we're
building
the
affordable
housing.
If
we
were
owning
the
buildings
and
doing
the
leasing,
we
would
also
be
responsible
for
all
the
management,
the
repairs,
the
you
know,
all
these
extra
pieces
that
no
one
really
thinks
about
when
we
get
guaranteed
Decades
of
affordability
and
it
just
I
think
it
holds
so
much
more
value
than
165
a
month,
I'm
just
generally
supportive
of
this
moving
forward.
Councilman.
B
Do
you
I'm
happy
to
make
a
motion
I'm
kind
of
sensing
that
it
might
be
different
than
what
you
all
would
like
to
hear?
I'm
sensing?
Maybe
you
would
not
like
to
see
it
move
forward.
I
can
make
a
motion
and
see
if
it
gets
a
second
or
if
either
of
you
have
a
motion.
B
G
So,
council,
member
Turner
I
think
the
the
second
question
is:
it
is
going
to
proceed
to
policy,
finance
and
HR
and
full
city
council.
It
will
be
on
the
agenda
for
July
25th.
Typically,
though,
the
policy
finance
and
HR
committee
is
looking
at
what
the
recommendation
was
from
this
committee
and
then,
of
course,
when
the
agenda
item
is
set
for
full
Council.
We
do
typically
include
the
vote
from
this
committee,
as
well
as
the
policy
finance
and
HR
committee
for
reference.
B
B
Okay.
Well,
then,
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
46
Aston
land
use,
incentive,
Grant
and
push
it
forward
to
council
for
a
greater
approval.
B
No
I
don't
because
I'm
hearing
that
developer
needs
a
yes
or
no,
so
I
don't
see
the
point
in
the
delay
if
they're
requesting
a
yes
or
no,
that
just
it
probably
makes
their
project
even
harder
to
move
or
do
anything
with
I
mean
if
they're
gonna
not
do
the
project
they
need
to
know.
If
this
is
going
to
make
or
break
it,
they
need
to
know
I.
Guess
that's
what
I'm
hearing
so
yeah
I'm
seeing
a
notch.
B
E
So
if
we
forget
the
delay
today,
Rachel
it
still
moves
to
policy
and
finance
for
their
and
then
on
to
council.
So
we
can
still
plant
our
recommendation
and
it
will
still
move
on
and
he's
still
going
to
be
subject
to
a
decision
from
policy
and
finance
and
a
final
decision
from
Council,
whether
we
decide
yay
or
nay,
today
or
not
correct.
Yes,.
B
Correct
we
got
a
little
confusing,
so
I
hope
everyone
listening
in
can
follow
that.
But
yes
that's
correct,
so
you
could
make
that
motion
that
is
suggested
in
the
when
there
are
notes
here.
If
you
wanted.
B
Yes,
that
dies
right
there.
So
then,
if
there's
another
motion
for
me
all
for
replay,
this
would
be
the
time
I
guess
there
could
be
no
action
and
it
would
still
move
forward.
I
kind
of
wonder
if
that's
how
this
would
land
okay.
So
this
is
not
going
to
take
any
action.
It
sounds
like
I
can't
get
emotion
out
of
anyone
to
move
it.
I.
H
Don't
think
that
nobody
wants
to
make
an
alternate
motion
to
either
you
know
to
not
recommend
whatever
not
recommend
it,
because
you
want
to
the
policy
to
be
look
if
you
want
to
give
a
reason
why
you're
not
recommending
it
just
to
give
some.
Oh
I
think
everybody
can
read
the
meeting
minutes,
but
if
it
says
no
recommendation,
then
everybody's
gonna
have
to
say
well.
Why
did
they
do
that?
So
I,
don't
know
if
you,
if
there
can
be
a
motion
that
makes
it
more
clear
what
why
there'd
be
no
action
or.
E
B
E
B
Roll
call
vote,
councilwoman,
Mosley,
aye,
councilman,
Smith,
aye,
myself,
nay,
okay,
so
sorry
for
all
the
confusion,
we
will
move
this
this
I
guess
application
will
go
to
policy
and
finance
and
then
ultimately
to
council-
and
that
is
our
only
agenda
item
of
significance
today.
So
we
have
public
comment
next,
do
we
have
anybody
that.
I
B
G
A
quick
note,
council,
member
Turner
I
think
Sasha
already
mentioned
this,
but
just
in
terms
of
the
sequencing
so
June
27th
is
the
policy,
finance
and
HR
committee
meeting.
So
that's
when
that
committee
will
take
a
vote
specifically
on
the
46
Aston
application.
G
That
evening
at
the
council
meeting
city
council
will
consider
the
suspension
of
the
of
consideration
of
Lane
use
incentive
grants
under
the
policy
so
similar
to
the
action
that
this
committee
took
on
May
16th
and
then,
following
up
with
that
at
the
July
25th
meeting,
which
is
the
next
meeting
of
the
city
council.
That's
where
the
city
council
will
consider
the
application
for
the
46
Aston
project.
Okay,
that's
very
helpful.
B
All
right
everybody
clear
on
that
and
what
happens
next?
Okay,
that
is
our
only
agenda
item
today,
Dennis
I
hope
we
welcomed
you
we're
not
normally
this
confusing,
but
we
we
hope,
you're
able
to
follow
along
and
welcome
to
the
city.
Thank
you
follow.