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B
Good
afternoon
I'm
gwen
whistler,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
finance
committee
of
the
asheville
city
council.
Welcome
to
our
april
20th
remote
meeting,
all
council
and
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
holding
these
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
B
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are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
for
those
of
you
out
there
today
welcome
for
today's
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B
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finished
speaking,
so
I'm
going
to
introduce
the
council
members
councilwoman
turner,
if
you
just
say
a
brief
hello
good
afternoon
and
and
we're
expecting
councilwoman
kilgore
to
join
any
minute.
We've
got
city
manager,
deborah
campbell.
C
B
B
And
we've
got
our
water
resources
director,
david
melton.
B
D
Thanks
councilmember,
weissler
and
good
afternoon
everybody.
So
this
is
the
first,
the
first
financing
human
resources
committee
meeting
in
a
very
long
time,
so
we're
just
going
to
jump
right
in
with
a
couple
things
on
the
cfo
update.
The
first
is
to
introduce
new
financial
employees
or
finance
employees
who
are
in
a
different
role.
So
I
guess
I'll
go
first,
since
I'm
in
a
different
role,
and
so
I'm
tony
mcdowell
good
to
meet
you
all.
D
I'm
the
new
finance
director
I've
been
with
the
city
for
22
years,
north
carolina
native
grew
up
in
high
point,
have
lived
in
north
carolina.
My
whole
life
for,
except
for
a
couple
years.
D
I
was
on
the
west
coast
living
in
seattle,
so
exciting
excited
about
the
new
role
and
excited
to
work
with
you
all
moving
forward,
and
I
told
the
other
folks
who
were
going
to
introduce
themselves
that
we
had
to
do
one
fun
fact,
as
we
were
doing
this,
and
so
my
fun
fact
is-
and
some
of
you
may
know
this
already,
but
I
I
got
to
a
couple
years
ago
play
ping
pong
against
woody
harrelson.
The
actor
gwen's
nodding
she's,
aware
of
that,
and
and
he
kicked
my
butt-
he
was
really
good.
D
I
he
like
beat
me
three
games
in
a
row.
They
weren't
even
close
so
anyway.
So
that's
my
fun
fact
and
I'll
pass
it
off
now
to
caleb
lippert
he's
our
new
controller
and
and
as
we
move
forward,
you'll
be
hearing
in
future
meetings
likely
from
caleb
as
well
as
holly
own
who's,
also
going
to
introduce
herself.
G
Good
afternoon,
everybody,
like
tony
said,
I'm
caleb
lippard
come
into
the
city
of
asheville
from
the
city
of
newburgh
in
oregon,
where
I
was
the
assistant
finance
director
there
for
about
12
years
being
a
smaller
city
that
position
kind
of
oversaw.
G
Pretty
much
all
the
operations
of
our
finance
department
and
as
a
part
of
that
I
actually
was
sat
on
ours.
We
had
a
citizens
rate
review
committee
that
met
every
two
year
to
set
water
rates,
storm
water
waste
water
rates.
G
So
I'm
pretty
familiar
with
that
and
oversaw
the
our
annual
audit
oversaw
capital
projects
kind
of
you
name
it.
I
had
my
feet
and
about
everything
and
fun
fact,
maybe
not
necessarily
fun
but
funny.
H
I
I
Hello,
I'm
holly
ohm,
I'm
the
accounting
supervisor,
I've
been
with
the
city
for
a
little
over
two
years
and
have
been
the
supervisor
since
january
permanently.
In
interim
since
august,
I've
been
in
asheville
for
about
11
years
prior
to
being
at
the
city.
I
was
an
internal
auditor
at
michigan
hospital
and
worked
with
financial
reporting
at
home
trust
bank
in
ingles.
I
My
fun
fact
is
not
nearly
as
interesting
as
tony
or
caleb's,
but
I
guess
a
couple
well
probably
about
12
years
ago
I
auditioned
for
the
tv
show
the
amazing
race
and
I
got
to
the
second
round.
I
almost
got
to
the
final
round
to
be
on
the
show,
but
I
didn't.
B
Well,
that's
pretty
impressive
and
holly.
We
just
want
to
recognize
how
much
amazing
work
you
did
on
the
audit
and
know
that
you
really
stepped
in
and-
and
we
really
really
appreciate
all
your
work.
B
I
D
Yeah,
absolutely
I
I
totally
agree
with
that.
Yeah
holly
definitely
stepped
up
during
the
audit
period.
We
had
a
lot
of
turnover,
as
you
all
know,
and
just
did
a
great
job
getting
us
across
the
finish
line,
and
then
caleb
came
in
right
at
the
end
and
we
finally
got
it
all
wrapped
up
we're
getting
ready
to
get
ready
to
kick
it
off
again
here
real
soon.
I
D
All
right
so
that
the
other
thing
we're
going
to
cover
under
the
cfo
update
was
talking
about
a
permanent
meeting
time
for
the
finance
and
hr
committee.
Since
we're
going
to
be,
we
assume
at
least
we're
going
to
be
having
these
on
some
somewhat
of
a
regular
basis.
Moving
forward,
so
beth
tells
me
we.
We
need
to
have
a
conversation
about
setting
a
a
time
and
date,
so
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
you
all
to
discuss
that.
B
I'm
gonna
can
we
wait.
I
may
kick
that
back
to
the
end
when
sandra
joins,
just
because
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
little
weird
for
sage
and
I
to
make
that
decision
without
sandra,
so
we
may,
we
may
have
to
kind
of
offline
this
if
sandra
is
unable
to
join
us
today
but
yeah.
I
I
know
that.
That's
what
we
need
to
figure
that
out.
B
Okay,
okay,
so
we'll
move
to
the
water
fee
adjustments,
and
so
we've
got
david,
melton
and
tony
mcdowell
tag
team
in
this
one.
D
All
right
well
good
afternoon
again,
folks,
I
think
that's
gonna
pull
up
some
slides
that
we
put
together
for
you
all
and
we
combined
this
agenda
item
and
the
next
one,
which
is
a
general
fund
fee
review,
general
funded
parking
and
transit.
All
the
non-water
fees
are
in
the
second
part
and
taylor
floyd.
Our
budget
manager
is
going
to
walk
you
all
through
that,
but
david
melton
and
I
will
cover
the
first
part
on
the
water
fees.
D
So
beth
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
so
again,
a
kind
of
a
breakdown
of
the
presentation
we're
going
to
do
it
in
two
parts:
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
water
rate,
realignment
and
then
and
then
taylor
will
cover
the
other
fees
on
the
water
rates.
D
We're
going
to
talk
about
the
capital
improvement
fee
in
the
court
settlement
that
eliminated
that
fee
and
the
impact
it
had
on
us
from
a
revenue
perspective,
we're
going
to
review
the
rate
realignment
plan
that
we
included
with
the
staff
report
that
went
out
last
week
for
you
all
and
then
at
the
march
23rd
council
meeting,
you
all
had
requested
some
additional
information
about
our
water
customer
classes,
kind
of
a
rate,
history
and
some
comparison
to
other
cities
and
we'll
share
some
information
that
we
have
found
on
that
as
well.
D
All
right
next
slide,
so
on
the
water
rate
realignment
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
beth.
So
just
to
kind
of
give
you
all
a
little
background.
The
water
fund,
water
resources
funds,
our
largest
enterprise
fund,
has
a
budget
of
between
30
and
40
million
dollars.
D
It's
a
very
complex
operation,
with
substantial
capital,
debt
and
operating
costs,
and
because
it
is
it's,
it's
standalone
enterprise
system
and
it
issues
its
own
debt,
that's
backed
by
its
own
revenues.
It
gets
a
separate
debt
rating
from
standard
and
poor's
and
moody's.
That's
separate
from
the
general
fund
debt
and
so
right
now
that
debt
rating
is
it's
a
double
a
one
for
the
debt
that
we
issue
in
the
water
fund
and
one
of
the
things
that
impacts
that
debt
rating.
D
It's
a
debt
coverage
ratio,
and
so
what
the
debt
rating
agencies
do
when
they
look
at
our
water
system
and
they
look
at
our
rates,
they
they
want
to
make
sure
they
want
to
see
that
our
rates
are
covering
not
only
our
capital
and
operating
costs,
but
also
also
providing
some
some
cushion
above
and
beyond
what
our
annual
operating
costs
are
in
order
for
us
to
meet
some
of
the
debt
sufficiency
ratings
or
debt,
sufficient
sufficiency
rating
requirements
that
they
have
of
us
in
order
to
maintain
that
double
a1
rating.
D
So
because
of
that,
we
employ
a
consultant
raf
talis
and
I
should
have
introduced
these
folks
before
I
got
started.
But
we
do
have
two
folks
on
the
line
from
rathalis
today:
melissa,
levin
and
vanessa
waller,
and
they
helped
us
develop
the
rate
recommendations
that
you
all
are
going
to
see
in
a
little
bit.
D
And
if
you
all
ask
you
know
two
tougher
questions
on
the
technical
side
that
david-
and
I
can't
answer-
we'll-
probably
turn
it
over
to
them
to
answer,
but
they
helped
us
tremendously
to
develop
the
rate
recommendations
that
we're
going
to
be
sharing
sharing
with
you
all
in
a
few
moments,
but
just
to
kind
of
give
you
all
an
idea.
So,
on
an
average
basis,
the
water
fund
spends
about
11
million
dollars
on
capital.
D
They
do
often
have
some
larger
debt
or
larger
projects
that
require
us
to
issue
debt.
The
north
fork
dam
project
is
a
great
example
of
that.
It's
about
a
40
million
dollar
project.
That's
going
to
be
finishing
up
soon
and
we're
going
to
be
going
out
most
likely.
This
fall
to
issue
the
final
debt
for
that
project.
We
also
have
another
fairly
large
project
coming
up
in
the
next
few
years
and
it's
replaced
all
of
our
meters
and
that's
about
a
20
million
dollar
project.
D
So
just
a
little
history
on
the
water
cip
fee,
it
was
a
fee
that
was
implemented
and
implemented
in
the
early
2000s
so
prior
to
the
early
2000s.
When
I
actually
first
started
here
at
the
city,
the
the
water
system
was
governed
by
a
regional
structure.
There
was
a
regional
water
authority,
buncombe
county
and
the
city
of
asheville
all
had
to
approve
the
budget
each
year
for
the
water
system
and
that
that
governance
structure
was
in
place
until
the
early
2000s.
D
When
the
city
took
full
control
of
the
system
in
full
control
of
the
budget,
and
because
of
that
kind
of
unique
governance
system,
there
had
been
some
difficulty
over
time
to
to
make
rate
adjustments
to
address.
Some
of
the
capital
needs
that
the
system
had,
and
so
the
city
took
over
the
system.
In
the
early
2000s,
we
were
facing
some
fairly
significant
capital
needs,
and
so
in
december
2007
we
issued
39
million
dollars
in
debt
to
begin
to
take
care
of
some
of
those
that
backlog
of
capital
needs.
D
As
a
part
of
that,
we
put
in
place
what
was
called
the
cip
fee,
the
capital
improvement
fee
and
that
that
fee
was
put
in
place
to
fund
not
only
that
debt
issuance
from
2007,
but
also
to
provide
some
funding
for
ongoing
pay.
As
you
go,
capital
needs
and
the
fee
that
was
put
in
place
was
modeled
after
a
similar
fee
that
the
metropolitan
sewerage
district
was
charging
at
the
time
it
was
based
on
the
size
of
the
meter.
D
So
the
larger,
the
meters
larger
users
paid
a
higher
fee
than
residential
or
single
family
users
next
slide,
so
that
few
was
in
place
from
2007
up
until
the
end
of
last
fiscal
year.
And
at
that
point
I
think,
as
you
all
know-
and
these
are
just
a
slide
from
our
march
23rd
presentation.
But
there
was
a
supreme
court
ruling
around
capital
improvement
fees
and
impact
fees
that
led
to
a
number
of
lawsuits
being
filed
around
the
city
against
various
water
systems
in
various
cities,
and
asheville
was
not
immune
to
that.
D
D
As
a
part
of
that
settlement,
we
agreed
to
discontinue
charging
the
capital
improvement
fee
and
so
and
and
fiscal
year
20
was
the
last
year
so
in
fiscal
year,
2021
the
year
in
right
now
we
haven't
been
charging
that
fee
and
that
didn't
ended
up
impacting
the
the
water
fund
in
terms
of
lost
revenue
for
the
to
the
tune
of
about
7.5
million
dollars.
D
D
Okay,
seeing
none
we
can
move
on
okay,
so
the
proposal
that
we
shared
with
you
all
last
week
we're
calling
we're
calling
it
a
rate,
realignment
proposal
and
it
begins
to
recover
the
loss
revenue
over
time
through
a
combination
of
adjustments
to
our
base
fee
as
as
well
as
the
volumetric
or
user
fee
and
the
base
fee.
Adjustments
are
based
on
meter
size,
so
larger
meters
will
have
a
larger
base
fee
and
again,
all
this
information
is
in
the
handout
that
we
provided.
D
That
was
attached
to
your
staff
report,
the
volumetric
rates
for
next
year.
What
we've
proposed
is
an
increase
of
approximately
six
percent
for
all
customer
classes,
except
for
the
wholesale
class,
and
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
reasons
for
that.
If
you
all
would
like
and
the
proposals
that
we're
looking
at
for
next
year
would
generate
approximately
3.5
million
in
revenue.
D
So
one
of
the
things
you
all
had
asked
about
at
the
at
the
work
session
was
kind
of
a
the
an
overview
of
our
customer
classes
and
how
much
of
our?
How
many
of
our
water
users
are
residential
versus
commercial
versus
manufacturing?
D
And
I
think,
as
david
pointed
out
during
the
work
session
by
far
and
away
the
largest
customer
class,
is
residential.
We
have
about
90
of
our
overall
customers.
Overall
connections
are
residential,
and
so
we
start
talking
about
recovering
that
lost
revenue
from
the
elimination
of
the
cip
fee.
D
The
bulk
of
that
recovery
is
going
to
fall
upon
the
residential
rate
users
simply
because
they
are
the
largest
component
of
a
component
of
our
customer.
D
Classes
next
slide.
We
also
talked
a
little
bit
at
the
work
session
about
what
our
approach
has
been
over
the
last
few
years
in
terms
of
trying
to
adjust
rates,
particularly
rates
on
non-single-family
users.
D
We've
been
adjusting
those
at
a
higher
percentage
than
we
have
for
commercial
and
manufacturing
users,
and
so
that
that
approach
to
again
to-
and
it
may
have
misstated
that,
but
we've
been
proving
rate
adjustments
for
single-family
users
that
were
at
a
lower
percentage
rate
than
we
have
for
commercial
users.
That
may
be
looking
at
the
slide
now
that
may
be
backwards
from
what
we
were
trying
to
say
there,
but
you
can
see
from
that
from
the
rate
increases
in
fy
20.
That
is
what
we
proposed.
Then.
D
This
is
kind
of
an
example
of
the
kind
of
increases
that
we
had
over
the
last
10
years
or
so
is
a
single
family.
Manufacturing
and
small
commercial
user
rates
have
been
going
up
at
a
slower
rate
than
our
multi-family
residential
and
our
large
commercial
users.
D
E
Thanks
tony
yeah,
I
did
research,
the
unc
school
of
government's
financial
site
and
we're
a
little
bit
probably
a
little
bit
below
average.
As
far
as
the
median
income,
our
median
household
income
of
forty
five
thousand
to
fifty
thousand,
which
is
about
where
asheville's
at
asheville,
is
a
little
bit
towards
the
upper
end
of
that
around
48
49.
E
E
D
We
go
to
the
next
slide
then,
and
this
was
the
information
we
shared
with
you
all
a
few
weeks
ago.
So,
with
the
rate
adjustments
that
we're
proposing
for
next
year,
the
single
family.
D
User,
the
average
user
in
fy
20
prior
to
the
capital
improvement
fee
being
eliminated,
was
paying
about
65.38,
with
the
elimination
of
the
capital
improvement
fee
that
that
bill
dropped
to
56.86
and
with
what
we're
proposing
for
next
year.
The
bill
would
go
back
up
to
around
63,
but
it
would
still
be
less
than
what
the
average
user
was
paying
two
years
ago.
D
So,
just
kind
of
a
quick
summary
of
the
the
rate
realignment
plan
then
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
What
we're
proposing
meets
the
legal
requirements
of
our
of
our
settlement,
our
lawsuit
settlement,
it's
minimizing
the
burden
on
customers
by
spreading
the
rate,
the
revenue
revenue
recovery
over
time,
as
opposed
to
trying
to
recover
all
the
lost
revenue
in
one
fiscal
year
and
it
meets.
We
worked
with
draft
telus.
D
We
worked
with
our
financial
consultants
at
dec
to
come
up
with
a
plan
that
not
only
meets
the
operating
and
capital
needs,
but
also
allows
us
to
meet
those
all-important
rating
agency.
Debt
coverage
ratios
that
we
talked
a
little
bit
about.
So
with
that.
I
think
that's
the
last
slide
of
this
section,
so
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
might
have
about.
The
about
the
water
rate
plan.
B
The
question
I
would
have-
and
I
felt
like
I
asked
this
before,
but
maybe
I
didn't,
can
you
do
you
have
a
do?
You
have
a
sense
of
what
msd
rates
have
been
over
the
past
like
10
years,
like
their
increases
versus
the
city,
water
rates
increases.
D
I
don't
have
that
information
david
on.
If
you
have
that
andy,
I
did
reach
out
to
msd
prior
to
this
meeting,
to
see
if
they
had
any
information
on
what
they're
considering
for
next
year's
fees
and
they
don't
as
of
yet
so
we
don't
know
what
they're
planning
for
next
year.
But
david,
do
you
have
anything
on.
E
B
And
we
don't
have
history
of
what
you
know
what
they've
charged
versus
water,
because
I
think
the
the
most
people
probably
don't
distinguish.
You
know
they
probably
don't
understand
that
msd
and
the
asheville
city
water
system
is,
is
different,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
like
how
that
stacks
up,
I'm
on
the
msd
board
and
now
last
year
I
do
not
believe
msd
had
an
increase
in
the
feed,
but
but
pretty
routinely
the
fee
goes
up.
B
You
know
one
one
and
three
quarters
to
two
and
a
quarter
every
year
to
keep
up
with
capital
needs
and
so
I've
just
I
mean
I
think
you
know
we
should
kind
of
be
monitoring
that
only
because
I
think
that
our
our
citizens,
you
know
sort
of
think
of
us
as
one
entity,
and
you
know
I've
been
hearing
a
little
bit
about
this
proposed
increase
and
people.
B
You
know,
aren't
happy
about
it,
but
I
don't
think
that
we
probably
did
a
fabulous
job
of
telling
them
that
they
got
a
year
of
substantially
reduced
rates
and
that
you
know
this
is
actually
not
even
going
to
be
as
much
as
they
paid
two
years
ago.
But
so
I
guess
I
would
encourage
us
to
tell
that
story
that
you
know
we're
trying
to
be.
You
know
we
need
to
we.
B
We
need
to
make
sure
we
have
a
healthy
water
system
for
sure,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
certainly
capital
needs
and
I'm
sure
anyone
who
has
lived
in
this
city
understands
that.
But
you
know
I
think,
let's
let's
tell
this
story
that
you
know
we're
trying
to
be
sensitive,
especially
in
a
in
the
pandemic
situation.
B
Say:
councilwoman
turner.
Do
you
have
any
other
questions.
J
No,
I
think
you're
right
telling
the
story
matters,
because
I
don't
know
that
we,
you
know,
really
told
the
story
of
reducing
it
temporarily
and
also
you
know
the
pandemic
has
changed
so
much
about
how
we
operate,
but
just
before
the
pandemic,
we
had
outrageous
water
issues
and
groundwater
issues,
and
you
know
and
reminding
folks
that
you
know
they
were
really
looking
to
us
to
be
responsible
for
those
breaks,
be
responsible
for
the
repairs
to
look
down
the
road
and
handle
it
better.
So
maybe
that's
part
of
the
story.
J
I
appreciate
how
you
all
tried
to
balance
it
so
that
this
year
didn't
feel
like
an
increase
over
overall
over
the
last
couple
years,
but
I'm
curious
so
we're
just
just
for
process
sake
for
my
new
eyes.
So
we
will
revisit
this
each
year
because
in
previous
slides,
I've
seen
several
years
in
the
uptick,
but
we're
just
talking
one
year.
Okay,.
B
Correct
yeah,
I
mean
this.
This
committee
sage
looks
at
fees,
we
look
at
it
first
and
then
we
make
a
proposal
to
the
the
entire
city
council,
but
we
look
at
fees
every
year
I
mean
sometimes
there's
sort
of
a
a
framework
that
you
know
sort
of
says.
This
is
what
we're
anticipating
in
the
future,
but
it's
not
really
locked
and
loaded
until
we
and
then
council
votes
on
it.
Okay,
I
wonder
if
we
do
it
early.
H
B
That
you
can
kind
of
you
know
let
people
know
ahead
of
time
before
july,
1st
that
a
fee
change
is
coming
up.
J
And
it
looks
like
that
fee
wouldn't
go
until
september,
so
we're
really
good
five
months
ahead.
I
wonder
when
this
comes
to
council,
will
you
be
able
to
bring
us
some
examples
of
the
impact
to
the
commercial
customer.
D
Yeah
we
absolutely
we
can,
and
some
of
the
information
was
in
the
attachment
to
the
staff
report.
I
don't
know
if
you
all
had
a
chance
to
look
at
that
yet,
but
but
we
can
certainly
add
some
slides
that
have
to
highlight
that
information.
J
When
I'm
looking
at
the
staff
report-
and
it
does
great
for
the
residential
like
the
little
chart-
the
fiscal
impact
chart
will
be
helpful
for
commercial.
The
only
other
comment
I
have
this
kind
of
an
abstract
thought.
You
know
with
so
much
going
on
with
rental
assistance,
utility
assistance
and
unemployment
increases
and
stuff
I
mean,
I
guess,
does
it
make
sense
to
not
have
raised
the
rate
as
much
as
we
would
have
this
year?
While
people
are
also
getting
assistance,
I
mean
it's
tough.
J
D
Yeah
I
mean
we
obviously
thought
about
that
and
thought
about
the
impact
on
the
customers.
I
think
one
of
the
things
we've
heard
from
our
consultants
is
that
actually
the
debt
rating
around
around
the
water
system
and
the
fact
that,
when
the
cip
fee
went
away
that
was
about
20
of
the
overall
revenue
for
that
fund,
and
so,
if
we
don't
begin
implementing
a
plan
to
recover
that
revenue,
there
is
the
potential
that
our
debt
rating
agencies
would
lower
the
rating
on
the
debt.
D
The
next
time
we
go
out
for
debt
and
that
and
that
we
would
be
doing
that
this
fall
to
take
out
the
debt
on
the
damn
project
that
I
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
So.
D
Risk
we
run
if
we
don't
pass
a
rate
increase
in
the
current
year.
J
C
C
But,
as
you
will
see
in
the
next
presentation,
there
will
be
other
increases,
and
so
we
we
really
wanted
to
look
at
the
cumulative
impact
of
all
of
the
increases
that
will
be
made,
including
a
reveal
year
for
most
property
owners.
So
there
was
there's
just
a
lot
of
increases
that
potentially
could
impact
our
our
our
residents
this
year,
so
we're
trying
to
be
as
sensitive
as
possible.
I
appreciate
that
thank.
J
B
D
H
D
Just
add
quickly,
I
think
taylor
is
working
on
getting
some
data
put
together
on
the
history
for
the
msd
fee.
I
think
that
might
be
something
we
already
had
on
our
to-do
list,
so
hopefully
we'll
have
that
information
soon.
K
B
Hopefully
you
read
the
information
ahead
of
time,
so
I
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
staff's
proposal
for
the
change
in
the
water
rates
and
do
I
have
a
second
I'll.
Second,
wait.
J
B
Okay,
I'll
second,
that
motion
and
then
I
will
so
I'll,
go
through
and
do
a
roll
call,
councilwoman
kilgore.
H
B
Thank
you
here,
kelly's
whole
woman
turner.
Thank
you
hi
and
I'm
and
I
so
thank
you
very
much
and
appreciate
all
the
work
that
went
into
this
and
you
know
being
responsive
to
the
situation.
Considering
the
pandemic.
D
Thank
you
thank
you
all
and
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
taylor
and
the
rest
of
staff
to
walk
us
through
the
other
fees.
Okay,.
B
And
just
for
all
the
thousands
of
people
that
are
watching
out
there,
we
are
now
on
the
item
number
three,
which
is
other
city
fee
adjustments
and
taylor.
Floyd
will
take
this
over.
F
Thank
you
very
much.
We
have
a
few
slides
to
get
started
that
are
a
little
bit
of
review,
so
I'll
try
to
move
through
those
quickly.
First
is
just
a
little
bit
about
why
we
charge
for
service
and
and
the
factors
we
use
to
set
fees
and
charges.
You
know
why
we
charge
is
really
primarily
based
on
who
derives
the
primary
benefit
of
that
service.
F
We
also
charge
to
ensure
access
to
a
service
and
parking
is
a
good
example
of
that.
If
you
didn't
charge
for
parking
downtown,
there
probably
wouldn't
be
very
much
of
it.
So
you
know
that's
that's
critical.
In
some
instances
we
also
charge
based
on
statutory
or
other
legal
requirements,
and
the
the
previous
conversation
around
the
water
rates
is
probably
a
really
good
example
of
a
place
where
some
of
our
fees
are
are
pushed
by
those
kind
of
requirements.
F
Then
we
start
looking
at
how
we
set
the
fees
and
charges.
One
important
part
is
how
much
like
what
the
cost
of
that
service
is
and
how
much
of
that
cost
we
want
to
recoup.
F
We
like
to
think
again
about
who
benefits
we're
likely
going
to
charge
more
for
fees
that
have
a
really
direct
customer
benefit.
Instead
of
that
broader
community
benefit,
so
we
may
charge
higher
for
a
development
review
as
an
example,
and
then
we
also
use
consultants
to
help
give
us
a
framework
to
make
these
decisions,
and
we've
done
that
fairly
recently
with
parks
and
recreation
fees,
as
well
as
development
fees.
F
So
next
slide
looking
at
the
general
fund,
I
think
you
all
probably
are
tired
of
seeing
this
particular
donut
chart.
But
it's
important
you
know.
Most
of
our
revenue
in
the
general
fund
comes
from
property
and
sales
taxes,
fees
and
charges
fall
into
that
other
category
in
the
top.
It's
not
that
whole
category,
it's
somewhere
around
14
million
dollars.
F
You
can
see
that
fees
and
charges
make
up
almost
80
percent
of
the
the
revenues
for
our
enterprise
funds
to
sort
of
the
again
the
the
opposite
story
with
those
so
moving
into
some
of
our
specific
changes,
and
we
tried
to
give
some
detail
here,
but
there's
there's
much
more
in
the
staff
report,
but
these
are
all
of
the
new
new
fees
they
were
recommending
for
adoption,
and
those
include
changes
to
account
for
an
additional
step
to
go
to
the
historic
resources
commission,
for
review
of
subdivisions
and
historic
districts
to
align
fees
in
the
river
downtown
and
new
hotel
design
review
districts.
F
F
We
have
not
been
charging
those
recently
and
believe
if
ken
putnam
may
be
able
to
answer
that
question
in
greater
detail
than
I
can
if
he
is
on.
L
That's
okay,
so
we
had
for
many
years
charged
to
sidewalk
fee
in
lieu,
but
then
there
was
some
concern
under
our
former
city
legal.
Our
former
city
attorney
had
some
concern
about
that
that
we
weren't
authorized
for
state
statutes
to
do
it.
So
we
stopped
that
practice
for
about
a
year
or
two
and
then
with
the
adoption
or
the
the
adoption
of
the
new
160d
land
use
chapter
of
the
general
statutes.
J
B
And
just
to
remind
me
shannon,
I
appreciate
that
like
is
it
it's
a
staff
decision
to
determine
that
like
it's,
it's
not
feasible,
it
isn't
you
you
a
developer,
can't
just
say:
well,
you
know
I
don't
like
sidewalks,
so
I'm
just
going
to
pay
a
fee.
That's
that's
because,
obviously
the
goal
is
we'd
like
sidewalks.
L
Yes,
so
council
members
may
recall
one
of
the
recent
160d
amendments
was
addressing
removing
any
opportunity
for
staff
to
make
discretionary
decisions.
So
when
we
did
that
update,
we
tried
to
do
our
best
to
provide
like
sort
of
clear
objective
standards
under
which
sidewalk
fee
and
lou
would
be
an
option.
J
L
We
did
not
have
a
historic
district
subdivision
review
fee,
that
is
new,
but
we
did
charge
design
major
works,
design,
review
fees
for
downtown
and
river
arts
districts,
but
we're
adding
we're
consolidating
those
rather
than
having
two
separate
fees
for
those
two
areas,
we're
just
saying
all
design
review
areas
which
now
also
adds
the
hotel
overlay
district
to
it.
So
it's
kind
of
it's
partially
cleanup,
but
then
also
adding
hotels
to
the
mix.
We
did
add
the
minerworks
review
we
had
not
previously
charged
for
that.
L
J
F
Thanks
yeah
one
of
the
one
of
the
challenges
of
a
lot
of
complex
information
on
a
slide,
not
not
much
real
estate
to
explain
at
all
so
moving
on
to
recommended
changes,
two
kind
of
groupings
here.
F
The
first
is
just
an
increase
in
the
monthly
advertising
cost
inside
buses
and
that
hasn't
been
updated
since
2008.
So
just
a
a
small
change
there
and
then
the
second
one
is
an
increase
in
nature,
center
admissions
and
that's
primarily
to
cover
the
150
000
donation.
That
has
been
made
in
the
last
few
years
by
the
friends
of
the
nature
center
to
support
operations
at
the
nature
center.
H
B
N
Yes,
we
are
having
pretty
significant
attendance
at
the
nature
center.
I
must
say
we
were
closed
for
six
months
and
when
we
opened
at
the
end
of
september,
we
have
exploded,
which
is
fantastic.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
had
our
busiest
week
ever
over
spring
vacation.
So
times
are
good.
I
must
say
we
people
are
really
enjoying
getting
out
and
getting
to
the
nature
center
taylor
mentioned
the
fee
increase.
When
we
did
a
2015
analysis.
N
Remember
we
did
a
business
plan
for
the
next
10
years
back
in
2015
and
I'm
working
with
some
groups
that
will
help
zoos
and
nature
centers
and
aquariums
plan
for
their
fee
increases
the
city,
finance
department,
actually
frank,
mcgowan,
led
that
effort.
We
talked
about
where
we
need
to
be
in
the
coming
years.
N
So
we
made
an
adjustment
back
in
2015
to
get
us
to
a
certain
level,
and
then
the
recommendation
was
five
years
later
in
2020
to
make
another
adjustment
to
get
us
to
about
where
we
should
be
so
last
year,
with
covid
council
decided
not
to
make
that
change,
which
is
completely
understandable
and
now
that
we're
back
and
open
and
operational,
we
want
to
make
that
change
to
get
to
where
the
the
consultant's
recommendations
were
back
in
2015..
N
So
what
we're
proposing
is
to
increase
the
non-member
or
excuse
me
non-uh
city
resident
rate,
more
than
the
city
resident
rates,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
is
because
you
had
asked
about
the
friends
of
the
nature
center.
N
It's
not
that
they're
not
contributing
to
the
operational
expense
anymore,
but
we
had
discussed
having
their
contributions,
go
directly
to
our
capital
improvement
line,
so
that
when
we
have
capital
improvements
that
need
to
be
made
here,
whether
they
be
enhancements
to
existing
facilities,
new
opportunities,
guest
amenities,
those
types
of
things
we
have
a
capital
account
to
pull
that
from
versus
competing
with
the
rest
of
parks
and
rec
or
the
city.
For
that
matter.
N
That
doesn't
have
a
way
of
generating
revenue
so
tony
and
roderick,
and
I
met
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
we
can
do
that.
And
one
of
the
ideas
was
that
in
the
future,
when
the
friends
make
that
contribution,
it
goes
into
a
restricted
account
for
those
improvements.
So
as
not
to
tax,
like
I
said,
other
facilities
that
can't
necessarily
generate
a
revenue.
So
that's
that's
the
spirit
of
that
and
again
it's
it's
to
make
the
adjustment
that
was
recommended
when
we
did
the
analysis
back
in
2015.
B
Okay,
so
just
to
remind
me,
so
what
will?
What
will
the
admission
be
for
the
city
residents
and
for
and
and
the
outside
the
city?
And
then
the
other
question
I
had
is
for
a
while
the
county
was,
you
know
basically
offsetting
this
idea
that
they
they
were
basically
trying
to
make
it
so
county
residents
paid
the
same
as
the
city
and
they
they
sort
of
shared.
That
with
us.
Is
that
still
in
place
with
the
county
or.
M
N
It's
no
longer
in
place
with
the
county.
They,
the
friends
of
the
nature
center,
got
a
grant
from
the
county
in
order
to
offset
that
and
what
they
would
do
is
they
would
pay
us
back
the
balance
of
the
resident
versus
non-resident
rate
in
a
quarterly
payment,
so
the
county,
when
they
you
know,
did
their
budget.
N
They
decided
to
not
continue
that
so
now,
it's
strictly
for
city
of
asheville
residents
and
and
the
differences
would
be
the
highest
that
of
a
city
resident
would
pay
would
be
the
adult
rate
which
would
be
9.95.
That
would
be
the
new
rate,
so
we're
still
trying
to
keep
it
under
10,
currently
at
795
and
then
the
highest
that
a
non-resident
would
pay
would
be
up
to
13.95.
So
we
would
increase
the
non-residence
rates
higher
than
we
would
the
city
rates
and
a
lot
of
this
too.
N
The
other
reason
why
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
this
is,
of
course
we
talk
subsidy
all
the
time
and
how
important
it
is
to
offset
a
lot
of
what
we're
doing,
but
a
lot
of
the
initiatives
we
have
are
related
to
equity
and
inclusion
and
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
promote
through
the
centers,
through
our
other
recreation
centers
opportunities
for
for
those
students
and
the
members
of
of
the
communities
that
go
to
those
centers
to
come
to
the
nature
center
at
a
reduced
cost
and
in
some
cases
free
we're
offering
a
city
pass
program
so
that
they
could
come
for
free.
N
N
Offset
the
revenue
from
the
the
folks
that
shall
we
say
can
afford
to
come
or
coming
from
out
of
town.
They
should
obviously
help
us
support
our
mission
for
the
residents
of
asheville
and
that's
that's
the
whole
idea
behind
what
we
did.
Our
business
plan
back
in
2015
was
to
get
us
to
that
point
so
that
we
continue
to
decrease
the
amount
that
we
need
to
be
subsidized
by
council.
J
N
We
really
keep
good
track
of
our
attendance
about
25
of
all
our
attendance
comes
from
within
the
city
of
africa,
so
75
percent
of
our
attendance
comes
from
outside
of
the
city
so
by
those
guests
coming
to
town
using
the
nature
center,
you
know
as
an
opportunity
for
recreation,
it
helps
to
subsidize
our
operation
and
we
are
definitely
a
regional,
in
some
cases,
national
attraction
back
in
2019,
when
we
had
a
record-setting
year,
we
saw
people
from
every
state
except
one,
and
we
saw
people
from
about
nine
different
countries,
so
this
year
we're
in
the
process
of
trying
to
get
back
on
track
and
it's
looking
pretty
promising.
N
We
have
a
lot
of
new
opportunities
for
people
to
engage
here
with
us
through
various
programs
that
we
offer,
like
I
said
through
the
centers
and
things
to
try
to
encourage
new
participation,
but
also
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
be
the
excellent
destination
for
people
coming
from
out
of
town,
and
we
are
the
primary
place
for
people
with
families
to
come.
You
know
we.
We
we
believe
that
we
are
the
the
best
place
for
people
that
have
young
children
to
come
visit
when
they're
in
nashville.
N
They
are
missing,
seeing
city
council
members
come
out
and
visit,
but
but
they're
doing
it.
I
love
them
now:
they're
they're,
great
they're,
they're,
a
huge
attraction.
Of
course.
We
really
appreciate
city
council
voting
about
five
years
ago
now,
you'll
remember
when
we
brought
them
in
to
to
include
them
in
our
collection.
N
It
was
a
little
outside
of
our
normal
realm
of
animals
that
live
in
the
southern
appalachians,
but
we
were
able
to
make
a
really
good
connection,
given
the
fact
that
their
historical,
their
historical,
you
know
different
species
that
were
very
closely
related
lived
here
at
one
time.
So
it's
given
us
a
chance
to
expand
even
more
and
we're
seeing
record
attendance
as
a
result
of
those
and.
K
J
I
just
wanted
a
question
about
the
transit,
not
for
chris,
so
the
signs
I
mean
it's
just
I
don't
know
how
much
they
were.
Is
this
a
huge
increase?
Seven
and
thirty
three
dollars
is
this:
I
don't
know
how
much
percentage
increase
this
is.
H
This
can
ken
putnam
sage.
This
is
a
very
minor
increase.
I
think
again,
the
rate
the
rates
haven't
changed
since
2008
and
the
biggest
change
that
we
made
was
when
we
decided
to
brand
the
buses
on
the
outside.
You
know
we
took
away
all
the
outside
advertising
that
we
used
to
have
on
that.
H
J
F
Thanks
you
and
and
just
yeah,
the
the
current
for
one
month
for
one
interior,
sign
it's
going
from
20
to
27
and
for
interior
ceiling
signs,
which
I
certainly
cannot
tell
you.
The
specifics
of
the
difference
between
those
two
is
going
from
100
to
133,
and
we
do
also
offer
a
discount
to
non-partisan
nonprofit
groups
as
well
as
city
sponsored
events
and
other
city
departments.
So
it
is
less
for
those
those
groups.
F
All
right,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
set-
and
these
were
these
two
were
complex
enough-
that
we
didn't
put
any
numbers
on
the
screen,
because
it
would
have
been
really
confusing
so
I'll
try
to
walk
through
kind
of
at
a
high
level.
These
two
changes,
so
first
the
fire
safety
inspections.
F
Those
inspections
are
required
for
all
occupancies
other
than
single
family
houses
in
the
city,
and
the
adjustments
to
the
structure
of
the
fees
are
really
meant
to
realign
the
fees
with
the
complexity
of
the
inspection
and
what
that
will
end
up,
meaning
is
some
customers
will
see
an
increase
and
some
customers
will
actually
see
a
decrease
in
cost
and
and
lastly,
I
do
want
to
note
that
this
fee
change
is-
is
going
to
support
us
implementing
a
new
third-party
billing
that
should
streamline
our
internal
staff
work
to
do
the
billing
and
also
provide
some
online
payment
options
that
should
improve
our
collection
rate
for
these.
B
Taylor,
this
is
gwen,
so
can
a
can
a
person
who
controls
the
individual
building
have
any
sort
of
effect
on
how
complicated
the
the
inspection
is,
or
is
it
just
really
based
on
the
the
structure
itself,
I
mean:
is
there
a
way
for
an
individual
to
reduce
their
feed
like
something
they
could
do
to?
I
don't
know
clean
it
up,
or
I
I
mean
just.
Is
there.
F
I
believe
it's
primarily
based
on
on
the
the
occupancy
type
and
again,
the
kind
of
the
size
of
the
building.
I
think
kelly
heinz
might
be
on
from
the
fire
department
that
could
probably
again
answer
that
in
better
detail
than
I
can
or
someone
else
from
the
fire
department.
O
Hey
everybody
thanks
for
for
the
question,
it's
a
great
question
and
what
they
mean
by
risk
for
certain
occupancies,
so
like
hazardous
materials,
are
only
found
in
certain
occupancies,
so
that
takes
more
time
and
research
to
do
in
most
cases
to
perform
that
inspection
same
thing
as
a
like
hospitals
and
other
occupancy
types
that
make
it
more
complicated,
as
an
inspection
to
do
would
take
longer,
and
therefore
the
fees
are
more
for
those
type
occupancies.
B
So,
thank
you
kelly.
I
appreciate
that
so,
but
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
is
is
that,
before
the
before
the
inspection
happens,
you
can
kind
of
say
this
is
going
to
cost
300
or
200
or
50.
Based
on
the
nature
of
what
you
expect,
I
mean
it
is,
I
guess
my
thing
is:
is
you
do
they
know
ahead
of
time
sort
of
what
the
inspection
number
is
going
to
be.
O
Who,
who
just
for
clarification?
Where
are
you
the
lightning.
B
O
O
O
No,
so
the
simplification
of
the
inspection
fees
are
based
on
occupancy
type
and
we're
changing
it
to
square
footage
or
in
residential
uses,
which
is
an
occupancy
type
that
will
be
based
on
number
of
units
so
that
the
smaller
ones
are
cost
fees
are
less
than
the
large
residential
buildings
that
have
been
developed
here
of
recent
years
that
we've
never
had
before.
O
B
Okay,
all
right,
okay!
Thank
you
annie.
I
sort
of
stopped
that
in
the
middle
of
that
that
she
the
slide
sorry
taylor.
That's.
F
Fine,
that's
fine!
I
stopped
because
I
thought
there
might
be
some
questions
before
we
move
into
the
next
one
and
yeah
so
that
then
the
next
set
of
fees
are
all
around
parking
services
and
there
are
several
changes
and
adjustments
and
I'll
try
to
run
through
them
sort
of
again
at
a
high
level.
F
We're
also
lowering
some
monthly
parking
rates
in
surface
parking,
lots
and
adjusting
rates
for
on-street
monthly
parking,
as
well
as
adding
some
additional
street
segments
to
that
program.
So
more
more
street
segments
that
will
have
on-street
monthly
parking
available
and
and
then
the
last
thing
is
not
a
fee
change.
But
again.
F
Kind
of
part
of
this
whole
package
is
a
stricter
enforcement
of
the
on-street
time
limits
and
all
of
that
collectively
the
intent
is
really
to
sort
of
encourage
shorter-term
parkers
to
use
those
on-street
spaces
and
encourage
turnover
in
those
spaces
so
that
there
there's
more
availability
and
then
kind
of
push
some
of
the
longer
term
parking
use
to
two
garages
and
the
surface
lots
as
well,
and
then,
ultimately,
we
were
also
expecting
that
additional
revenue
generated
again
primarily
from
that
change
in
the
parking
in
the
garage
rates
to
go
towards
capital
maintenance
in
the
parking
garages.
J
F
B
Yeah,
it's
it's
all
in
the
I've
got
it
yeah
in
the
documents.
H
F
Right,
I
think
this
is
getting
to
the
last
one,
and
this
is
a
something
that
we
have
not
done
in
the
past
that
I'm
aware
of
anyway.
We're
actually
recommending
a
couple
changes
not
to
be
for
adoption,
but
for
a
mid-year
review
in
the
next
fiscal
year,
and
we
had
proposals
to
increase
the
solid
waste
and
stormwater
fees.
F
And
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
spend
some
time
during
fiscal
year,
the
next
fiscal
year
after
july,
1st
reviewing
these
services
and
the
needs
that
they
have,
because
they
are
really
significant
and
the
primary
driver
for
not
recommending
these
fees.
Now
is
back
to
that
earlier
conversation
during
the
the
water
fee
changes
is
we're
really
trying
to
limit
the
impact
of
fee
changes
on
our
community.
You
know
as
we
recover
from
from
the
pandemic,
so
we
know
that
again.
F
There
are
some
really
significant
needs
and
both
on
the
capital
and
operating
side,
especially
in
stormwater,
but
we're
not
we're
trying
to
hold
off
on
those
for
the
time
being
and
have
a
more
focused
conversation
about
those
services
and
and
the
needs
that
they
have
again,
sometime,
probably
in
the
fall
or
winter.
Before
we
get
into
the
budget
discussion
again
for
for
next
year,.
A
C
And
gwen
chairman,
if
I
could
just
also
add
that,
but
we're
also
wanting
to
just
take
a
little
bit
more
time
to
study.
C
And
make
alignment
between
longer
term
needs
cost
and
benefits,
and
how
much
of
an
increase
would
really
make
make
sense
at
this
point
in
time,
and
what
would
that
increase
actually
buy
us
from
a
from
either
a
capital
perspective
or
service
delivery
perspective,
and
I
just
don't
know
that
we
are
there.
Yet
we
need
just
a
little
bit
more
time
to
do
that
kind
of
analysis,
but
I
do
want
to
in.
C
I
guess
restate
that
we
really
will
be
coming
back
with
the
mid-year
review
after
we
have
done
our
due
diligence
for
you.
All's
consideration,
but
we
think
we've
got
just
a
little
bit
more
work
to
do.
B
So
so
deborah
thank
you
for
that.
So
what
you
think,
maybe
september
you'll
come
back
and
then
maybe
implement
january
one
or.
C
F
J
I
do
have
a
couple
and
I'm
sorry
that
my
timing
and
I'm
looking
up
the
documents
and
making
sure
because
I
just
had
a
parking-
I
actually
have
something
about
parking,
and
it's
not
about
this
last
one.
Is
that
okay?
Yes,
I
you
know
I'm
liaison
to
the
downtown
commission.
We
have
a
parking
committee
that
committee
met
this
week,
there's
a
lot
of
concern
coming
from
the
businesses.
So
just
historically
we
used
to
have
the
first
hour
free
and
then
a
couple
years
ago
we
had
an
issue.
J
We
moved
to
the
dollar
25
and
250
for
the
second
hour.
If
you
go
61
minutes
or
something-
and
I'm
wondering
I
understand,
we
need
new
hardware,
it
has
a
increment
requirement,
we're
trying
to
get
the
whole
dollars.
I'm
wondering
if
this
is
not
a
better
time
to
do
the
first
hour
free
in
the
second
hour
two
dollars,
because
that's
what
we
were
doing
and
we've
got,
I
mean
we
are
still
emerging
from
a
pandemic.
J
J
So
I
love
some
of
the
how
we're
pushing
the
fees.
I
just
wonder
if
it
doesn't
make
sense
for
us
to
consider
doing
that
first
hour
free
and
I
don't
know
the
impact
to
your
numbers.
J
I
know
this
overall
impact
is
a
hopeful
half
a
million
dollar
increase
in
revenues,
but
I
would
like
to
know
if
that's
something
you
could
you
know
maybe
dig
into
a
little
before
it
comes
to
council,
because
we
do
need
to
get
our
locals
back
downtown,
and
I
I
think
that,
having
that
first
dollar
free
would
help
and
would
send
a
message
that
we
still
support
them
and
want
us
to
come
back
and
re-emerge
and
visit
our
downtown,
and
that
is
what
the
input
from
the
committee
was
as
well
so
I'll
share.
J
They
were
worried
about
the
increase
on
top
of
an
increase,
and
so
I'm
sharing
that
input,
and
if
could
someone
tell
me
the
daily
cap
in
the
garage
currently
is
what
twelve.
A
J
Okay,
so,
but
the
worker
in
some
cases,
can
still
find
the
12
or
do
they
actually
get
a
potentially
cheaper
if
they're
working
four
days
a
week,
you've
got
to
buy
there's
just
a
lot
of
numbers
and
sentences
here,
but
I'm
trying
to
see
if
providing
additional
monthly
garage
parking
options
for
12
hour
daytime
access
would
be
80
to
100
a
month,
and
that
is
five
days
a
week.
12
hours,
correct,
okay,.
J
That's
great
I'll
also
share
with
you
all
from
that
committee.
We
are
experiencing
someone
we've
never
had,
which
is
extra
garage
spaces.
I
don't
know,
we've
never
had
we
haven't
had
in
a
long
time.
We've
had
like
a
600
person
waiting
list
for
a
long
time
and
the
folks
over
in
transportation,
have
been
calling
and
calling
and
chasing
people,
and
now,
all
of
a
sudden
we
have
extra
spaces.
So
I
appreciate
the
you
know:
work
going
on
here
to
drum
up
more
money.
K
B
Okay,
so
I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
accept
all
of
staff's
recommendations,
except
for
the
parking
and
with
the
parking
to
make
the
adjustment
to
have
the
first
hour
in
the
parking
decks
free,
at
least
for
this
next
year,
20
20
fiscal
year,
21
22.
I
would
entertain
that
motion.
B
I
will
make
that
motion.
May
I
get
a
second
second
okay?
I
will
do
a
roll
call
for
that
motion
and
I'm
going
to
re
well,
I
I
hope
that
this
is
all
subject
to
you.
Don't
tell
you
don't
come
back
and
tell
us
that
that
that
change
would
reflect.
B
You
know
a
reduction
of
our
increase
in
revenue
by
600,
000
or
something
I
mean
you
know
I
think
all
subject
to
you
know
we'd
like
to
understand
the
revenue
impact
of
that,
but
as
long
as
it's
something
reasonable,
I
I
I
assume
my
fellow
council
women
would
agree
with
that.
B
So
I'm
going
to
go
through
a
roll
call
vote,
so
councilwoman
kelkor,
yes,
turner,
hi
and
I'm
and
I
all
right.
So
I
think
that
concludes
that,
and
these
are
this
is
recommendations
to
council.
I
mean
I'll
adjust
my
you
know.
You
guys
know
that
right
and
then
I
will
go
ahead
and
open
it
up
for
public
comment.
If
there
is
anyone
on
there,
beth
is
anybody
on
anybody.
Wanna
talk.
B
Lovely
okay,
oh,
but
before
we
before
we
adjourn,
which
maybe
I
should
have
done
anyway,
whatever
we'd
like
staff,
would
like
us
to
come
up
with
a
permanent
monthly
meeting
time
and
date,
I
don't
know
beth.
If
you
want,
you
want
to
give
us
some
options.
This
is
obviously
the
third
tuesday,
but
is
what?
What
are
you
thinking?
A
A
Earlier
on
that
day,
we
may
run
into
so.
The
fourth
tuesday
is
public
safety
at
11..
So
so
that's
there's
a
challenge
with
that
and
each.
O
B
Okay
and
our
budget
work
sessions
are
usually
2.
A
D
A
Yeah,
actually,
when
we're
having
it
regularly,
I
mean
anytime,
there's
a
work
session
for
anything.
If
we
have
housing,
if
we
have
it,
we
we
I
I
look
back
at
it
when
we
were.
We
were
rescheduling
them
so
often
and
that
fourth
tuesday,
right
before
council,
it
almost
always
got
rescheduled
for
interviews
or
work
sessions.
A
B
B
Can
you
throw
out
some
times
and
then
kind
of
check
with
the
three
members
and
then
we'll
will
decide
based
on
that?
Do
you,
then
you
know,
because
you
know
you
know
what
the
other
meetings
are
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So
you
know
for
us
to
be
spitballing
it.
We
have
no
idea
what
else
is
going
on.
Well,
I
mean
we
do
have
some
idea
hopefully,
but
so.
B
That
and
we'll
we'll
wrap
our
heads
around
that
if.
B
J
Yeah,
I'd
love
to
add
a
little
input.
That
mondays
would
be
really
hard
for
me.
I
was
strategic
in
keeping
all
of
my
mondays
open
in
the
first
week
of
every
month,
intentionally
because
of
my
job
right.
We
can
not
that
you
can
cater
to
me,
but
if
you
can
aim
around
there,
that
would
be
helpful
and
thank
goodness
guilty
verdict.
Y'all.
B
Councilwoman
kilgore:
do
you
have
any
dates
or
times
that
you
are?
You
know
no
you'd
like
to
reserve.
B
Okay,
so
we'll
look
we'll
look
for
info
from
beth
and
she
will
get
back
to
us.
Okay,
all
right
with
that.
I
will
adjourn
this
meeting.