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From YouTube: Planning & Economic Development – June 12, 2023
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Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council's Planning & Economic Development Committee.
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B
Each
section
of
the
agenda
allowed
and
we're
streaming
live
on
the
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
we
also
have
an
option
to
listen,
live
by
phone
and
for
those
of
you
out
there,
they
like
to
say
welcome
for
today's
meeting.
We
have
the
option
for
people
to
call
in
and
comment
live
during
the
meeting
and
to
call
in
commit
call
in
and
comment.
Live
use
the
same
number
855-925-2801.
B
Meeting
code
8187,
your
phone
will
be
muted
and
you
will
hear
the
meeting
live
and
at
this
point
you
will
need
to
push
star
3
to
enter
into
the
speaker
queue
and
at
this
time
I'd
like
to
do
the
Roll
Call
now
I'll
go
through
and
introduce
the
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
County
and
status.
I
call
your
name,
please
just
say
a
quick
hello,
councilwoman
Maggie
Allman.
B
Transportation
Planning
division
manager,
Lucy
Crown
good
afternoon,
okay
and
also
joining
us
today,
will
be
chair
of
the
downtown
commission.
Brian
Moffett,
hello,
okay,
thanks
and
for
those
of
you
who
are
maybe
joined
us
here,
and
we
just
want
to
just
go
a
brief
overview
of
what
the
planning
and
Economic
Department
committee
does.
B
The
second
thing
we
have
on
the
agenda
today
is
the
downtown
commission
annual
update
and
that
will
be
given
by
Brian
Moffett,
who
is
chair
of
the
downtown
commission.
Thank
you.
Brian.
B
F
My
best
I
suspect,
most
of
you,
know
what
we
do
better
than
I
do,
but
I'll
I'm
still
going
to
run
through
this
and
see
if
I
can
help.
Thank
you
Katie
for
putting
that
up.
So,
yes,
I
am
the
chair
of
the
Asheville
downtown
commission.
You
can
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
next
slide.
The
downtown
commission
was
established
for
the
sustainability
and
continued
development
of
downtown
a
vital
Urban
Center
of
Western
North
Carolina's
economic,
cultural
and
visitor
activity.
F
We
I'm
going
to
read
through
this,
but
I'm
also
going
to
give
editorial
comment.
If
that's
okay,
we
provide
recommendations
to
City
Council
on
overall
policy
for
the
continued
development
and
sustainability
of
downtown.
We
provide
recommendations
to
city
council
and
staff
on
effective
management
of
public
resources
for
downtown.
F
We
are
supposed
to
actively
pursue
and
assist
private
sector
investment
in
the
downtown
area
for
the
welfare
of
the
citizens,
citizens
of
Asheville,
We,
Carry,
Out,
review
of
development
projects
and
other
projects
that
impact
the
built
environment
downtown.
We
mainly
do
that
from
a
policy
perspective.
The
we've
recently
split
our
duties
off
so
that
the
designer
view,
Committee
of
which
three
of
our
members
are,
are
part
of
review
the
designs
and
we
we
still
review
development
projects
downtown,
but
we
do
it
more
from
a
policy
on
perspective.
F
We
also
cooperate
with
evaluate
and
represent
the
recommendations
of
other
organizations,
including,
but
not
limited
to
the
actual
Downtown
Association
Property
Owners
Merchants
residents,
businesses,
tenants,
institutions
and
other
members
of
the
downtown
community
next
slide
we
currently
are.
Our
current
meeting
format
is
in
person
at
8
30
a.m,
which
I've
been
told
is
too
early
at
the
first
floor
conference,
room
in
City,
Hall
meetings
are
live
streamed.
We
do
public
comments
by
email
and
and
in
person
and
voicemail
in
advance.
We're
currently
I
was
hoping.
F
Sage
would
be
here
we're
currently
trying
to
figure
out
when
we
can
meet
that
would
allow
Sage
to
attend.
She
has
been
our
representative
knows
the
DTC
incredibly
well
and
she's
currently
has
a
conflict
with
I.
Think
it's
the
airport
Authority,
which
meets
at
the
same
time.
So
we're
evaluating
that
as
we
go
any
questions
so
far,
so
we
we
have
a
pretty
broad
remit.
F
Honestly,
we
we
can
basically
anything
that
has
anything
to
do
with
downtown,
can
kind
of
come
under
our
umbrella,
but
we're
our
our
only
real
Authority
is
in
making
recommendations
to
council.
F
So
we
are
a
basically
a
Clearinghouse
to
the
downtown
community
for
Council
and
two
Council
for
the
downtown
community.
That's
the
way
I'd
like
to
look
at
it,
so
our
specific
duties
next
slide,
I'm,
sorry,
Katie,
I'm,
I'm,
looking
at
mine,
not
yours,
we
we
participate
in
design
review
as
outlined
in
the
Udo,
and
we
also
again
have
three
members
from
the
downtown
commission
that
serve
on
the
design
review
committee.
F
So
what
that
means
is
any
projects
that
are
within
the
downtown
on
the
the
central
business
district.
Basically,
we
review
those
as
well
as
the
design
Review
Committee.
We
also
make
recommendations
on
amendments
to
the
guidelines
for
the
Downtowner
design
review
area,
which
thank
you
very
much
for
including
updates
to
the
design
guidelines
in
the
most
recent
or
the
upcoming
budget
cycle.
We
also
make
recommendations
to
City
Council
on
overall
policy
and
things
for
development
sustainability,
Land
Development.
F
We
recommend
and
monitor
implementation
of
downtown
planning
efforts
that
would
include
things
like
the
pack
Square
provisioning
project
and
the
I-26
Corridor
project.
We
also
provide
recommendations
for
Effective
management
of
public
resources
for
downtown.
F
We
actively
and
assist
private
sector
investment
that
has
so
far
been
more
from
a
review
process
than
from
I'm
still
not
sure
what
that
means.
I
I
I
I'd
like
to
know
more
Co-op.
We
also
cooperate
with
and
evaluate
and
represent.
So
we
have
the
basically
the
actual
Downtown
Association
has
a
standing
appointed
member.
Usually
their
executive
director
also
sits
on
the
DTC
we
are
currently.
F
We
also
have
the
director
of
air
I'm
serving
on
the
DTC
she's,
a
county
representative,
I
think,
but
anyway,
Megan
just
joined
she
served
prior
to
when
she
was
with
the
Ada
and
when
she
moved
we,
we
got
her
on
a
different
way,
so
we
can
develop
Financial
tools,
evaluate
plans
concerned
with
development,
coordinate,
Downtown
Development
with
user
groups
and
stakeholders.
Whoops
I
can't
spell
promote
and
facilitate
marketing
programs
and
promote
and
facilitate
the
development
of
downtown
infrastructure
next
slide.
F
So
last
year
we
re-established
the
downtown
public
Space
Management
committee.
We
have
kind
of
developed
a
matrix
to
inform
how
we
review
projects
as
a
DTC.
As
part
of
that
we
reviewed
development
projects
like
the
Star
Building,
the
pergola
for
the
heiress
Hotel
72
Broadway
many
times
some
of
the
micro
housing
projects,
and
we
really
are
looking
at
those
more
not
necessarily
from
a
project
approval
process,
but
we're
looking
at
them
as
a
as
a
way.
F
This
is
what
the
these
are:
the
types
of
outcomes
that
our
current
policies
provide
and
do
we
need
to
have
different
policies
if
we
want
different
outcomes,
that's
really
kind
of
how
we're
trying
to
look
at
it.
We
recommended
reviewed
and
recommended
adoption
of
the
South
Side
neighborhood
Vision
plan.
F
Some
of
us
participated
in
that
process
for
the
development
of
it.
Although
many
many
other
people
did
all
the
heavy
lifting.
Similarly,
with
the
pack
Square
visioning,
we
we're
kind
of
the
the
public
Clearinghouse
or
the
public
forum
for
that
process
for
the
advisory
committee.
F
We're
going
to
continue
to
have
a
league
role
in
that
process.
We
reviewed
the
proposed
bike,
Lanes
on
College,
Street
and
Patton
Avenue
and
recommended
implementation.
Although
we
heard
quite
a
bit
on
that,
we
also
heard
updates
and
provided
feedback
on
different
projects
like
downtown
Parks
Lighting
in
for
public
spaces.
F
We
also
participated
in
the
proposed
board
and
commission
and
restructuring
we.
We
have
members
that
are
involved
on
the
homeless
initiative,
noise,
ordinance,
Public,
Safety
bike,
Lanes,
pretty
much
everything.
So
again,
we
have
a
pretty
broad
remit,
and
so
one
of
the
things
we
did
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
next
slide.
Katie
downtown
commission
priorities.
For
this
year.
We,
when
we
when
we
had
our
Workshop,
we
tried
to
figure
out
what
our
level
of
Interest
it
was
as
a
as
a
commission.
F
F
We
think
our
primary
role
is
going
to
be
reviewing
that
assessing
how
that
design
and
alignment
with
the
goals
for
the
downtown
master
plan
and
basically,
what
our
policies
are
going
to
provide
and
we're
going
to
provide
recommendations
to
council
and
or
staff
with
that
project
same
thing
for
pack
Square
visioning,
those
were
our
two
kind
of
highest
vote
totals
right
after
that,
and
impacting
both
of
those
next
slide
would
be
the
downtown
design
guidelines
which
again,
thank
you
so
much
for
putting
that
in
as
a
budget
item
this
year,
one
that
has
suddenly
when,
when
we
did
this,
we
did
this
in
the
fall,
and
this
next
topic
has
gotten
much
bigger
since
then.
F
Obviously,
downtown
public
safety,
reimagining
Public
Safety,
and
we
have
had
several
excellent
presentations
this
year
with
the
60-day
initiative,
and
we
we
really
want
to
be
the
Forum
for
the
community
to
communicate
with
City
staff
and
and
hear
what
what's
being
done
and
we're.
The
staff
has
been
excellent
in
communicating
that
Dana
Ben
we
had
the
city
manager,
Chief,
Sac,
afd,
we've
had
lots
of
people
reporting
to
us,
so
that's
been
I.
F
Think
a
good
community
resource
for
trying
to
get
information
out
into
the
community
on
the
things
the
city
is
doing
and
how
that's
impacting
our
our
Public
Safety
and
cleanliness.
F
Well,
those
topics
go
together,
so
that
was
the
next
one
next
slide
and
then
you
know
we
have
continually
receive
updates
on
the
outdoor
dining
program.
The
homelessness
initiative,
Cox
avenue,
complete
Street
project,
so
we're
kind
of
getting
down
in
some
some
smaller
ones.
Next
slide
we're
also
reviewing
communicating
with
the
downtown
restroom
project.
We
continue
to
look
at
sidewalks
and
walkability.
F
Our
our
members
participate
in
the
Ada
surveys
and
we
really
are
one
of
the
things
we
want
to
do
once
we
get
the
design
design
guidelines
done
is
really
understand
our
pedestrian
street
plan.
That's
kind
of
next
on
one
of
the
next
things
on
my
list
anyway.
F
So
I
think
final
slide
before
questions.
So
are
our
2023
recommendations
and
goals.
We
want
to
look
at
doing,
but
what
we
can
do
incrementally
in
small
revisions
to
the
Udo
and
the
existing
design
guidelines,
where
we
can
strengthen
and
clarify
them.
We
understand
that
we
can't
do
a
comprehensive
top
to
bottom.
That's
a
fairly
sizable
ask
in
terms
of
hiring
a
consultant
to
go
through
and
update
our
our
downtown
design
guidelines
in
terms
of
a
form-based
code
or
something
like
that
and
get
a
really
good
project
there.
F
But
what
we
want
to
do
is
go
ahead
and
start
I'm
addressing
some
of
the
low-hanging
fruit
in
clarifying
language
in
the
Udo
I'm
clarifying
some
of
the
existing
design
guidelines
that
we
can
do
and
procedures
there.
So
with
that,
we
we
advocated
for
and
again
we.
We
thank
you
for
that
budget
money
to
hire
a
consultant
to
review
and
propose
updates
to
those
design
guidelines.
F
We
also
want
to
look
at
what
we
can
do
to
fun
new
or
existing
downtown
programming
to
support
Equitable
entrepreneurial
opportunities.
F
This
is
a
kind
of
a
comprehensive
set
of
policies
that
we've
been
looking
at,
specifically
in
regards
to
things
like
allowing
buskers
to
sell
merchandise
things
like
that,
so
we
will
continue
to
coordinate
with
staff
Riverfront
and
design
review
on
the
Udo.
We
will
continue
as
the
lead
public
engagement
vehicle
for
pack
Square
Plaza
visioning.
F
Similarly,
we
will
operate
or
try
to
operate
as
the
lead
public
engagement
vehicle
for
the
I-26,
connector
and
East
Patton
Redevelopment
project.
We
will
continue
to
cooperate
with
staff
for
the
outdoor,
dining
and
public
space
use
and
then
we're
going
to
continue
to
be
I,
think
I,
don't
know
about
the
lead,
but
we're
going
to
continue
being
a
public
engagement
vehicle
for
the
public
safety
and
cleanliness
initiative.
F
So
we've
got
a
full
plate,
we're
trying
not
to
get
spread
too
thin
and
trying
to
provide
recommendations
to
council
and
information
to
council
and
information
from
Council
and
the
and
staff
back
to
the
community
on
on
some
of
these
things,
what's
being
done
in
ways
that
that
everyone
can
plug
in
and
we
can
really
strengthen
our
downtown.
So
with
that
I'll
quit
talking
for
a
minute,
any
questions.
B
I
must
say,
but
anyway,
one
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about
is
if
you
could
give
me
an
idea,
a
little
bit
more
of
idea
about
the
entrepreneurial
opportunity.
What
exactly
I
know
you
said
something
about
bust
Busters
and
buskers
and
then
selling
T-shirts
or
whatever
I'm
just
trying
to
sort
of
imagine
what
that
looks
like.
And
how
would
you
incorporate
that
into
the
downtown
area.
F
We
have
diff
well.
That
was
a
an
example
that
there's
lots
of
these
things.
All
work
together,
so
for
us,
Equitable
and
entrepreneurial
opportunities
would
also
include
the
outdoor
dining
public
space
use.
F
You
know
how
that
how
those
spaces
are
being
used
if
and
how
the
city
allows
those
who
do
they
provide
them
to
how
do
how
does
the
city
get?
You
know
the
the
the
the
the
restaurant
tours
are
are
making
money
off
of
public
property.
So
how
does
that
work?
Is
there
a
fee
charged?
How
does
that
work?
F
I
know,
and
this
is
more
Andrew's
bag
than
mine.
Regarding
the
buskers,
there
was
there's
a
there's.
Basically,
a
policy
I
I
think
Dana
was
on
here.
She
knows
more
about
this
than
I.
F
Do
too,
that
that
basically
they're
not
allowed
to
sell
merchandise,
and
so
there's
there's
some
things
that
we
could
do
some
policies
we
could
roll
out
in
certain
areas
that
would
allow
basically
entrepreneurs
to
come
in,
and
now
we
want
to
be
careful
about
that,
because
that
also
also
takes
away
from
storefront
owners.
F
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
balancing
act,
obviously,
but
it's
also
a
way
to
get
people
in
and
let
them
get
their
business
established
and
the
goal
is,
is
you
know
you
you
for
for
a
lot
of
these
folks?
They
start
in
in
a
certain
area,
like
you
know,
with
a
food
truck
or
with
a
busker,
or
something
like
that,
then
eventually
they
grow
their
business
and
move
into
a
more
of
a
traditional
brick
and
mortar
kind
of
establishment.
F
So
you
know
the
the
more
opportunities
we
allow
people
for
downtown
business
and
try
to
capture
that
small
granular
level
of
entrepreneurial
activity
and
allow
for
that
without
having
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
set
up
a
storefront
in
order
to
to
to
have
a
business
downtown.
F
We
think
that's
gonna,
that's
gonna
support
that
kind
of
entrepreneurial
activity,
which
would
necessarily
be
more
Equitable.
That
makes
sense
well.
B
Yeah
somewhat,
but
I
want
to
ask
you
another
question
that
also
talk
about
the
food
trucks.
I'm
just
wondering
have
you
all
been
having
conversations
about
having
food
trucks
there
after
hours,
because
a
lot
of
the
restaurants
that
close
earlier?
But
yet
you
still,
you
have
night
light
still
going
on
and
I
was
just
wondering.
Have
you
been
sort
of
looking
at
that
or
maybe
spending
hours
for
food
trucks
after
hours
or
any
idea.
F
We
we've
had
discussions
about
that
and
that's
part
of
our
public
space
management
process.
So
so
some
of
that
has
to
do
like
you
said
you
you've
got
to
balance
that
with
our
our
established
downtown
businesses.
The
folks
who
you
know
run
those
restaurants
and
then
you
know
where,
where
are
they
allowed?
When
are
they
allowed
and
and
who?
Who
determines?
Who
can
go?
F
Where
that's
something
that
we
were
doing
a
little
bit
and
then
you
know
covet
hit
and
everything
kind
of
went,
haywire
and
so
we're
trying
to
pick
up
the
pieces
and
and
try
to
remember
what
we're
doing
there.
I
I
ca
I
can't
answer
any
more
definitively
than
that,
but
it
is
some
part
of
an
ongoing
discussion
on
what
we
allow
and
where
I
mean
we,
the
city
when
I
say
we
please
understand
I
mean
basically
you,
the
city
council.
F
C
Around
food
trucks,
I
know,
that's
been
a
question
for
a
while
and
that
there
was
a
real
policy,
a
discussion
on
it
some
time
ago
and
so
I
I
have
I
have
a
similar
curiosity.
So
you
know
I
wish
we
were
in
a
room,
so
I'd
be
looking
at
staff
and
saying
one
I
love
these
updates
that
we're
getting
from
the
commissions.
This
is
so
helpful
and
what's
the
inner
play
you
know,
is
there
a
place
where
we're
kind
of
like
we'd
love
it?
C
Look
at
your
huge
list
of
work
that
all
feels
really
relevant
just
want
to
give
you
Kudos,
Brian
y'all,
are
being
really
strategic
and
I
think
that's
it.
It
comes
through
and
how
you've
prioritize
stuff
and
a
question,
or
just
something
for
the
radar
is
I,
fully
anticipate
that
as
the
chamber
continues
to
explore
the
business
improvement,
district
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
have
the
latest
timing
on
that.
But
that's
something
I'm
really
excited
about.
C
The
devil
is
in
the
details
and
we're
going
to
need
a
lot
of
really
good
people,
thinking
really
hard
on
it,
and
so
that's
a
place
where
I
really
hope
that
we
could
look
to
y'all's
leadership
to
support
Council.
Whenever
that
conversation
does
come
around
to
us
for
policy,
we'd,
really
love
y'alls
to
be
in
it
with
us
to
be
thinking
it
through
and
Advising.
So
I
think
it'll
be
really
really
relevant
for
the
downtown
commission
as
well.
We.
F
Have
a
couple
of
fairly
new
members
who
are
much
better
clued
in
with
the
chamber
than
I,
am
that
Eva,
Michelle
and
Ander
Edwards
were
both
starting
to
talk
to
me
about
that,
and
that's
that's
not
something
that
was
on
our
radar.
This
fall
it
kind
of
just
popped
up.
It's.
You
know
one
of
those
things
where
it's
like,
oh
yeah.
F
Now
this
is
the
thing
my
understanding
and
and
is,
that
is
that
it
was
actually
approved
but
never
implemented
and
and
obviously,
as
you
said,
the
devil
is
in
the
details
and
I'm
hearing.
So
the
things
that
I'm
hearing
about
that
is
that
there
is
a
a
broad
support,
seemingly
within
the
business
Community,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
hearing
and
I'm
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
throw
that
out
there
is
that
one
they
don't
want
that
to.
F
F
If
I
I
don't
know
if
I'm
stating
that
clearly,
but
but
basically
they're
saying
yes,
that
we
think
that
could
help
and
that
could
help
address
and
improve
downtown
and
downtown
services,
but
there's
a
baseline
that
the
city
is
already
responsible
for
that.
We
want
to
be
clear
on
that,
so
I
I
would
be
very
interested
in
down
I.
F
Think
downtown
commission
has
a
definite
role
to
play
in
that
conversation,
I'm,
not
sure
how
to
insert
myself
into
it
yet,
but
that's
something
that
I
think
we're
going
to
reach
out
to
the
chamber
and
I'm.
Not
try
to
you,
know
horn
in
on
on,
what's
already
going
on,
but
just
be
part
of
it.
If
we
can,
because
I
I
think
I
think
we
bring
downtown
commission
brings
a
we.
F
We
have
a
lot
of
in
in
our
our
remit
does
include
the
business
Community,
but
we
also
we
represent
everyone
within
downtown.
So
all
the
office
users,
all
the
you
know,
tourism.
F
You
know
our
unhouse
population,
we
we
represent
everyone,
and
so
we
want
to
bring
all
of
that
to
the
table.
If
we
can.
B
Thank
you
Brian
and
I
can't
say
that
I
greatly
appreciate
all
the
work
you've
done,
because
I
mean
all
the
different
pots
that
you
have
your
hands
in
they're,
all,
not
easy,
but
yet
still
you're
dealing
with
them
and
I
greatly
appreciate
all
of
the
work
that
you
all
do
on
that
commission.
It's
just
amazing.
Thank
you.
Well,.
A
E
Good
afternoon,
thank
you
for
having
me
here
today:
I'm
John,
Silverman,
Community
event
manager
with
the
Department
of
community
and
Regional
Entertainment
facility,
Advanced
police
Katie.
The
items
for
consideration
today
have
been
long
overdue.
In
fact,
our
key
takeaways
are
the
result
of
almost
five
years
of
searching
for
the
right
solution
for
our
community.
E
We
continue
to
support
the
Asheville
City
Market,
as
well
as
the
other
events
that
helped
City
partnership
agreements
in
2019
and
as
they
were
expansions,
we
called
them
pandemic
extensions.
They
couldn't
include
labor
support.
Our
labor
capacity
throughout
the
pandemic
was,
and
continues
to
be
impacted.
E
We
preserved
our
labor
resources
to
meet
the
needs
of
several
federal
holiday
events
produced
by
non-profit
organizations
on
the
city's
behalf,
and
these
are
City
events,
meaning
all
hands
on
deck.
We
also
preserved
the
75
non-profit
discount
by
adding
it
to
the
city's
fees
and
charges,
so
that
discount
is
no
longer
a
component
of
any
type
of
time
limited
program.
E
This
history
leads
us
to
today's
primary
recommendation.
We
recommend
phasing
out
the
Strategic
event
partnership
program
and
replacing
it
with
a
grant
to
cover
eligible
city
services
administered
by
the
Asheville
area.
Arts
Council.
We
also
recommend
continued
support
for
the
Asheville
City
Market
under
an
agricultural
development
agreement
and
continued
support
for
the
production
of
several
federal
federal
holiday
commemorations
and,
lastly,
continuation
of
the
75
non-profit
discount,
which
is
now
secured
in
the
city,
speeds
and
charges
manual.
E
So
three
things
and
six
more
slides
are
coming
next.
First,
off
I'll
share
a
little
bit
about
our
service
delivery
changes
for
events
over
the
years
in
one
slide.
Second,
I'll
present
our
four
revised
and
clarified
classifications
of
events
in
five
slides
and
third
I'll
answer
any
questions,
but
please
stop
me
as
needed
Katie.
Could
you
advance
please.
E
So
within
this
first
Slide,
the
first
slide.
Looking
at
this
top
row,
we
have
pre-pandemic
Partnerships.
We
have
the
first
icon,
meaning
paperwork,
administrative
fees,
the
second
meaning
property
use
fees.
The
third
is
a
picture
of
a
barricade.
Those
are
barricades
that
we
deliver.
We
also
close
parking
for
events.
There
is
a
Transit
impact
fee
when
you
detour
Transit
routes.
E
As
a
result
of
the
events,
there
are
traffic
control
signs
that
the
city
has
provided
in
the
past,
as
well
as
sanitation,
support,
police
support
and
medical
support
by
the
fire
department,
and
so,
during
the
before
the
pandemic,
we
were
providing
all
of
these
services
to
these
specific
list
of
community
events
that
were
considered
strategic
event.
Partners.
E
Katie.
Can
you
press
the
advance
very
well
there
we
go
so
during
the
pandemic.
We
had
to
create
these
interim
Partnerships.
We
didn't
want
to
lose
all
of
the
events
and
walk
away
from
them,
but
we
also
didn't
have
the
labor
support
that
we
could
continue
to
provide
sanitation
and
police
and
medical.
So
we
narrowed
down
our
service
delivery
option
to
just
those
that
you
see
in
front
and
we
preserved
the
federal
holiday
celebrations
and
those
are
the
holiday
parade.
July
4th
Juneteenth
celebration,
Veterans
Day,
Memorial
Day.
E
E
Thank
you,
and
this
is
where
we're
proposing
we
we
land,
which
is
to
continue
supporting
our
federal
holiday
events
with
our
full
array
of
services.
We
want
to
provide
a
grant
to
former
partners
and
any
eligible
non-profits
that
wish
to
apply
for
it
to
include
the
services
listed
there
as
you'll
see
it.
It
does
not
include
labor
services,
and
that
includes
the
installation
of
traffic
control
signs,
which
is
a
time-consuming
job
for
a
city
staff
person
that
we
can't
offer
to
all
of
them.
E
What
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
to
bring
all
events
into
the
same
and
to
the
same
level
of
service,
and
then
we
have
Agricultural
Development
partnership
with
ASAP.
This
is
not
a
reduction
or
a
change
in
their
service
delivery.
This
is
just
all
that
they
need,
and
it
is
one
of
the
areas
that
North
Carolina
allows
cities
to
spend
on
agricultural
development,
and
so
that
Agricultural
Development
agreement
is
also
part
of
this
plan.
Next
slide,
please.
E
So
this
is
a
brief
summary
of
the
next
four
slides.
This
shows
you
our
four
classifications
of
events
and
the
colors
meaning
red,
meaning
it's
the
heaviest
list
to
Green,
meaning
it's
the
lightest
list
for
the
city,
so
the
heaviest
lift
is
the
City
events
that
we
consider
holiday
events
that
city
produces
second,
would
be
those
produced
by
staff.
The
third
are
those
assisted
events
and
the
fourth
are
the
recipients
of
a
community
event.
Grant
now
we'll
go
into
those
into
detail,
one
two
three
and
four
in
just
a
moment.
Katie.
Would
you
advance
please?
E
So
these
are
these
for
the
events
produced
by
contractor.
We
spend
about
sixty
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
Cash,
Plus,
Income
Support
to
the
degree
that
is
necessary.
Those
are
the
events
that
we
want
to
secure
under
contract.
We
have
contracts
with
them
currently
and
we
hope
to
continue
renewing
them
next
slide.
E
Events
produced
by
staff,
so
these
are
the
events
that
we
do
internally
at
the
city,
parks
and
recreation,
those
movies
in
the
park
and
Tiny
Tykes
day.
These
events
are
things
that
the
city
produces
internally
with
its
own
budget.
So
they're
they're,
not
it's
it's
pretty
much.
If
a
department
requires
assistance
from
another
department
to
help
execute
their
events,
we
generally
just
cooperate
and
and
provide
our
services
and
support,
as
often
as
we
can
next
slide.
E
E
Have
these
two
Agreements
are
already
well
actually
Festival
in
gospel
in
the
park
has
been
ongoing.
The
city
market
was
temporarily
impacted
by
covid,
so
this
is
the
one
we
hope
to
preserve
and
pull
out
of
the
rest
next
slide,
please
so
the
community
of
that
Grant.
It
would
include
all
of
the
application
and
administrative
fees,
reimbursement
for
permit
fees,
property,
use
fees,
any
administrative
fees
on
site,
traffic
control,
barricades
and
Cones
parking
meters
and
Transit
impact
fees.
Those
are
the
fees
that
we
have.
E
The
icons
for
in
the
earlier
slide
examples
of
those
recipients.
These
are
the
groups
that
have
always
risen
to
the
top
of
the
city's
list
when
it
has
evaluated
its
ability
to
provide
support,
and
we
expect
that
these
events
will
continue
to
be
at
the
top
of
the
Arts
council's
list
for
the
awarding
of
the
grant
next
slide.
E
Please
so
going
back
to
the
recommendations,
we're
asking
for
a
motion
to
recommend
city
council
phase
out
the
Strategic
event
partnership
program-
it's
essentially
ended
now,
but
because
city
council
did
approve
Independence
funding
to
these
different
events.
We
feel
it's
important
to
make
that
official
that
it's
closed.
E
A
motion
to
recommend
city
council
authorized
the
city
manager
to
enter
in
a
three-year
agreement
with
the
Arts
Council
and
a
motion
to
recommend
city
council
authorize
the
city
manager
and
to
enter
into
an
agricultural
development
agreement
with
the
city
market
next
slide,
so
we're
going
back
to
the
key
takeaway
slide
here.
We
are
again
with
these
recommendations
on
the
Five
Points
and
the
final
spot,
I
believe
is
questions.
B
John
I
do
have
a
question
when
you
talked
about
the
grants
for
the
ones.
If
you
have
that
that
you
could
put
that
slide
back
up
where
you
had
the
list
with
the.
B
Yeah,
okay.
Now,
when
you
talked
about
the
event,
support
Grant-
and
these
are
the
things
that
it
covered,
what,
as
far
as
applying
for
that
Grant,
are
there
any
limits
as
far
as
the
amount
and
things
like
that?
How
does
that
work
for
people
that
may
be.
E
E
It's
part
of
the
attachment,
or
maybe
one
of
the
exhibits
with
the
staff
report
and
it's
part
of
the
draft
contract
with
the
Arts
Council
there's
a
link
in
there.
You
can
see
how
the
spreadsheet
works,
but
it's
a
document.
That's
going
to
ask
a
number
of
questions
like
would
you
need
the
park?
E
Use
fees
waived
for
your
event,
or
would
you
need
any
barricades
for
your
event
and
it
allows
the
the
potential
Grant
recipient
to
calculate
their
own
fees,
so
they
know
how
much
to
receive
to
get,
and
this
grant
is
specifically
meant
to
reimburse
the
city
for
these
fees.
So
if
someone
needed
nine
thousand,
if
someone
expected,
they
needed
nine
thousand
dollars
worth
of
in-kind
report
from
the
city
or
were
the
grant
funds
to
pay
for
that
services
that
they're
going
to
be
getting
from
the
city.
E
B
Okay,
and
also
now,
if
you
look
too
like
you're,
seeing
the
signs
like
the
event,
support
Grant-
and
you
see
like
this
horse,
sanitation,
the
signs
police
are,
does
that
worksheet
also
give
them
an
idea
of
the
cost
of
those
things
if
they
did
sort
of
try
to
secure
it?
Our
candidate
Securities
Services,
if
they
pay
the
amount,
if
they're
able
to
obviously.
E
So
the
city
does
not
provide,
we
don't
have
a
service
where
it
it's
like.
A
sign
rental
service,
where
you
can
hire
someone
from
the
Transportation
Department
to
come
out
and
install
all
of
your
temporary
signs
that
you
need
for
your
special
event
street
closure.
We
will
deliver
barricades
because
those
could
be
dropped
early
and
picked
up
afterwards,
but
we
don't
actually
go
out
and
put
up
signs
and
we
had
only
done
that
for
the
city's
partner
events
in
this
transition.
E
We're
moving
everyone
to
the
same
level
of
services,
because
one
of
the
problems
with
our
old
program
was
we
were
treating
different
events
differently.
We
were,
we
were
allowing
one
event
to
have
a
resource
from
the
city
that
wasn't
available
to
any
other
event,
and
it
was
only
because
they
were
a
partner
that
we
were
making
that
available
to
them.
So
now
this
is
putting
our
event:
support,
Grant,
we're
essentially
not
having
partners
anymore.
We
are.
E
We
are
telling
all
of
the
partners
that
had
been
those
in
that
status
before
please
go
to
the
Arts
Council
apply
for
the
grant.
We
will
be
able
to
support
these
types
of
fees
in
reimbursement
value
to
you,
but
you
will
have
to
get
your
own
Trump.
The
control
signs
from
a
local
Sign
Company
there's
several
options
in
the
area:
you'll
have
to
manage
your
own
sanitation,
your
own
law
enforcement
costs,
because
law
enforcement
work
off
duty
during
events
and
so
off.
E
Duty
they're
working
for
off-duty
management
was
which
is
a
third-party
company
and
then
medical
support.
Our
fire
department
rarely
does
provide
medical
support
in
any
case,
it's
usually
Buncombe
County
EMS
or
Buncombe
County,
Fire
and
Rescue.
But
those
are
all
services
that
these
last
four
categories
of
services
are
things
that
we
don't
provide:
they're
not
in
the
city's
fees
and
charges
manual
and
they're,
not
services
that
are
readily
available
to
the
public.
B
B
They
may
need
all
I'm
trying
to
make
sure
that
people
apply
that
apply
for
the
grants
and
think
that's
enough,
but
when
they
actually
start
implementing
the
program
they
don't
and
they
don't
do
the
things
they
need
to
do
for
the
city,
and
then
we
still
end
up
having
to
pick
up
a
slack
where
they
left
off.
That's.
E
What
yes,
yeah?
Yes
ma'am,
we
have.
We
have
the
fees
for
police
in
our
outdoor
special
event
guide,
and
we
have
resources
on
our
website
for
what
for
quotes
on
traffic
control
devices,
sanitation
support
services
and
medical
support
services.
These
Services,
the
the
full
array
of
services
that
the
city
has
the
potential
to
provide
are,
are
services
that
we
have
limitations
on
providing
to
everybody
and
the
the
services
the
city
provides
are
only
a
fraction
of
the
services
that
an
event
needs
to
be
produced.
E
So
the
city
has
a
role
to
play
in
a
lot
of
these
fees.
In
fact,
in
some
cases
the
city
is
the
only
person
that
you
can
pay
to
rent
a
park,
but
renting
a
park
is
only
the
first
step
in
producing
a
festival.
You
also
need
to
rent
your
tent
your
stages,
your
PA
system,
your
talent.
There
are
so
many
other
components
of
an
event
other
than
the
City's
piece
of
the
pie,
so
we
do
provide
advice
and
guidance
on
all
of
those
additional
fees.
E
In
our
event
guide,
we
try
to
help
people
understand
all
of
the
costs
involved
in
producing
an
event,
not
just
from
the
cost
of
their
talents
or
the
cost
of
their
PA
system,
but
the
cost
of
their
portable
toilet
and
their
Sanitation
Services.
Putting
on
an
event
is
more
than
just
City
costs,
but
we're
we're
wanting
to
let
the
community
know
that
here's
how
we
can
help
here's,
what
we
can
provide
you
with.
Unfortunately,
we
don't
have
endless
labor
resources
so
that
people
can't
hire
a
transportation
engineer
to
put
up
their
traffic
signs.
E
B
And
one
last
question
before
I
go
to
bedding:
is
this
okay,
so
does
that
Grant
have
any
requirements
as
to
the
people
that
are
applying
for
the
grant
have
to
show
the
I
know
they
have
to
have
lifetime,
but
they
show
enough.
B
How
can
I
say
to
be
able
to
afford
to
do
what
they're
doing
are
there
any
requirements?
I
mean
because
yeah
they
have
to
share
okay,
that's
right:
yeah,
yeah!
Okay!
Thank
you
very
much
and.
C
Makes
sense
just
the
big
dreamers,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
experience
here
and
we
want
our
community
members
to
dream,
but
we
can
also
help
them.
Do
some
like
realistic
tests
exactly
so.
The
questions
I
have
is
just
to
really
understand
the
core
concept
here
and
if
you
could
Advance
the
slide
to
where
it
brings
up
the
event,
support
Grant,
but
has
some
dollar
figures
on
it?
C
E
Then
I
don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
say
this,
but
if
you
wanted
to
rent
a
picnic,
shelter,
the
non-profit
discount,
isn't
part
of
that
standard
shelter.
But
if
you
are
going
to
produce
a
special
event
and
the
printing
center
was
part
of
it,
we
would
definitely
provide
that
discount.
Okay,.
C
So
that
that
lives
in
and
of
itself,
and
if
I'm,
picking
different
random
examples
and
I
want
to
go,
the
next
step,
I
would
contact
the
Arts
Council
I
would
apply
for
this
grant
and
what
I'm
trying
to
understand
is
like
the
money
flow
here,
so
the
city's
gonna.
Theoretically,
if
this
recommendation
is
approved,
contract
for
around
75
000
a
year
to
the
Arts
Council,
we
write
a
check
to
them.
They
run
a
process
x,
amount
of
venue
or
events
get
a
check
from
the
Arts
Council.
E
E
E
Yeah
the
events
there's
still,
everyone
pays
the
city,
everybody
pays.
Everybody
pays
me
at
the
city
and
we
collect
all
of
all
the
funds
now
the
if,
if
they
are
a
awarded
this
grant,
there
will
be
certain
fees
that
they
will
be
eligible
for
a
refund
on
their
invoice
that
we
give
them.
So
we
can't
we
can't
give
them
a
a
credit
for
everything
that
they
could
possibly
need,
but
the
things
that
we
won't
be
charging
them
for,
like
police,
medical,
sanitation
and
traffic
signs.
E
E
It's
because
of
the
public
space
component
and
from
and
and
maybe
I
should
allow
Janice
Ashley
to
speak
a
moment,
but
I
just
want
to
say,
because
this
is
how
it
it
makes
sense
to
me
is
that
when
a
city
selects
certain
events
to
support
in
public
space
over
other
events,
but
it
chooses
not
to
support.
It
is
essentially
elevating
a
particular
message
in
the
public
space
that
it
wishes
to
hear
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
away
from
having
the
city
be.
E
The
the
decision
maker
on
what
speech
is
a
priority
and
we're
passing
that
responsibility
to
the
Arts
Council,
because
we
are
able
to
spend
on
Arts
programs
and
the
Arts
Council
is
the
is
our
is
our
Region's
administrator
of
grants
that
the
county
also
has
a
grant
similar
through
the
Arts,
Council
and
and
they're
the
experts
in
the
field
on
how
doing
this
and
making
sure
that
we
are
supporting
the
strongest
most?
E
You
know
Vibrant
Community
engagement
activities.
We
can
I
I,
think
that
it
when
we
came
to
PEB
in
2019
we
were,
we
were
on
the
equity
train.
We
were
trying
to
really
Drive
decisions
based
on
equity
and,
and
that
was
determined
not
to
be
an
appropriate
action
for
public
space.
So
it's
it's
about
the
public
space
I
believe
and
from
there
I
want
to
say
just
Ashley.
Do
you
have
anything
to
to
share
on
this.
A
John
I,
just
I,
think
you
did
a
wonderful
job
of
explaining
that
and
I
know
that
Brad
and
Eric
really
talked
to
you.
So
it
really
comes
down
to
a
First
Amendment
issue.
If
the
city,
as
John
said,
is
deciding
between
events
and
who
do
we
give
money
to
and
who
don't
we
and
who
are
we
giving
money
away
to
at
all?
And
just
it
helps
me
to
clarify
that,
for
example,
on
the
on
the
right
hand,
side
these
are
organizations
that
we
typically
funded.
A
They
all
got
the
75
non-profit,
there's
no
problem
with
our
75
off
to
any
non-profit.
The
problem
wasn't
then
saying,
but
we
need
the
25
for
free
too,
and
when
the
city's
doing
that
the
city
is
sort
of,
as
John
was
saying,
is
sort
of
saying.
Well,
we'll
give
it
to
this
event,
but
not
that
event
and
I
do
want
to
clarify
that
even
under
this
event,
Grant
it's
not
any
of
that.
A
It
is
the
the
Arts
and
Cultural
Events,
because
we
have
a
statute
that
allows
the
city
to
give
funding
for
Arts
and
Cultural
Events.
So
it's
not
just
any
non-profit.
It's
not
the
Boy
Scouts
coming
along
and
saying:
oh
we're
going
to
rent
out
the
park.
I
mean
unless
somehow
the
Arts
Council
views
that
as
an
art
program
or
but
typically
as
you'll,
see
on
the
right.
A
It's
more
of
a
music
and
events
like
that,
so
I
don't
think
we
had
that
I
can
think
of
of
any
First
Amendment
challenges,
but
it's
much
more
likely
to
happen
when
it's
the
city
that
is
making
that
decision.
So
in
this
way,
I
think
the
69
000
John,
if
I'm
correct,
is
what
the
city
was
typically
covering
for
for
those
kind
of
groups
and
which
is
why
that
Grant
amount
is
what
it
is.
If
that
helps.
C
Okay,
so
just
to
make
sure
I'm
locking
it
in
there
we
were.
There
was
a
liability
for
us
to
be
the
Arbiter
of
public
stuff
because,
for
example,
I
think
Blue
Ridge
pride
is
an
essential
Community
thing
to
happen,
but
if
there
was
Blue
Ridge
hate,
it
would
be
hard
for
us
to
have
a
legal
argument
of
why
we
we
would
limit
that
Free
Speech,
as
opposed
to
the
other,
and
so
by
empowering
and
embracing
a
relationship
with
the
Arts
Council.
C
We
create
some
distance
for
them
to
make
some
of
those
calls
based
on
them
being
an
Arts
membership
Council.
So
they're
really
convening
the
Arts
Community
to
kind
of
decide
and
that's
worth
moving,
and
then
we
have
to
move
the
money
around,
because
we
just
can't
say
your
fees
waived
legally,
because
that's
how
that's
a
hard
thing
for
cities
to
do.
Okay,
that's
really
helpful.
That's
helpful!
I'm!
Just
going
through
my
list.
C
The
only
other
thought
I
had
is
that
I've
seen
us
run
into
trouble
when
we
set
kind
of
a
policy
criteria
around
a
dollar
threshold,
and
just
wonder
so.
For
example,
you
know:
69
000
will
only
get
us
so
much
in
2023,
but
three
years
later
by
2026
that
doesn't
have
any
cost
for
inflation,
and
so
is
it.
Is
there
something
we
should
consider
in
the
way
that
we're
considering
this
contract
that
accounts
for
costs
going
up?
C
Otherwise
we're
just
really
handicapping
Our
Community
Arts
Folks
by
saying
we'll
support
you
this
much,
but
it
gets
you
less
and
less
each
year
over
time,
I
think.
Sometimes
we
have
a
trouble
where
we
set
a
dollar
amount
and
never
revisit
it,
and
that
I,
just
don't
think,
is
great
stewardship
of
a
financial
relationship.
Well,.
B
Maggie,
let
me
let
me
say:
I
was
going
to
ask
a
question
sort
of
sort
of
sort
of
similar
but
yeah.
Let
me
just
ask
this
question
too,
because
basically,
if
I'm
looking
at
like
69
000,
it
says
per
year
per
event
and
they're
paid
repaying
it
back.
Does
that
mean
it
grows?
The
amount
actually
grows
in
this
grip
on,
because
if
you're
Recycling
and
the
council
is
allocating
69
000
a
year
per
year,
then
that
amount
would
be
actually
growing.
Our
you
know,
even
if
you
lost
fees
somewhere
around
edges.
B
So
is
it
just
this
one
yeah.
E
This
this,
this
total
is
based
on
the
city's
current
fees
and
charges,
and
it
is
a
one-year
contract
with
two
one-year
optional
renewals,
as
we
reached
the
amount
by
calculating
the
total
cost
that
the
city
would
need
to
recover
back
to
support
all
of
our
former
partners
and
with
a
little
extra
in
there
for
some
others.
And
it
would
be
my
expectation
that
if
we
saw
a
major
increase
by
departments
in
trying
to
up
their
fees,
for
instance
next
year,
we
around
this
time,
we
see
more
departments
saying
well.
E
But
we
would
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
able
to
live
up
to
our
our
commitment
and
that
if
our
fees
increase
in
any
line
it
could,
it
may
be
a
matter
of
of
a
thousand
dollars
to
change.
If
parking
services
goes
up,
a
dollar
per
parking
space
or
something
like
that,
I
see
Ben
stand
up.
B
D
Just
real
quick
and
councilman
Allman,
you
may
have
something
else
to
ask
too,
but
just
wanted
to,
and
one
one
Nuance
to
this,
just
to
add
is
Don.
You
described
that
very
well,
the
the
fees
do
you
know
when
they
go
back,
they
go
back
to
the
operating
department,
so
it
is,
they
are
covering
the
service
that
the
department
provides,
but
one
other
Nuance
is
also.
You
see,
there's
a
number
of
services
on
this
list
that
are
from
Enterprise
funds.
D
So
again,
remember
that
you
know
the
seventy
thousand
dollars
is
generated
from
decres
operating
budget
requests,
but
when
those
are,
you
know
sent
back
to
the
department,
some
of
those
fees
are
actually
going
back
into
the
transportations.
Enterprise
fund
I
cover
those
calls,
so
it
is,
there
is
some
nuance
and
the
the
money
that
that
goes
out
may
come
back
in
and
go
to
different
departments
and
different
budget
funds.
C
B
C
Out
that
if
there's
some
trigger
that
ties
to
fees
and
charges,
otherwise
you're
going
to
have
to
have
a
whole
series
of
nine
meetings
to
address
this
and
bring
it
back
to
ped.
Next
year.
When
we
can
just
say
like
there's
an
escalation
cause
to
tie
to
fees
and
charges,
there
just
might
be
a
contract.
E
I
love
that
idea,
if
there
is
a
way
that
we
can
add
in
language
that
does
exactly
that
comes
from
a
moment
that
says
that
in
in
the
case,
any
of
the
fees
for
these
service
items
increase
that
this
Grant
fund
will
increase
to
the
same
degree
to
meet
that,
because,
similarly,
with
the
in-kind
support
for
the
holiday
event,
are
exactly
to
your
point
with
the
maximum
fees
and
things
like
that,
we
know
the
Downtown
Association
paid
overages
to
their
limit
for
years
that
just
gradually
increased
for
the
July
4th
event,
and
so
that's
where
we
said
we're
going
to
cover
all
of
your
in-kind
services.
C
Whatever,
like
you
were
saying
like
we
want,
we
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
cost
to
place
a
traffic
cone,
but
contractually
this
will
have
to
come
back
through
everybody
again
to
adjust
it
from
69-104.
So
is
there
a
way
to
write
in
and
up
to
five
thousand
dollars
additionally,
each
year
to
address
blah
blah
blah
pending
fees
and
charges
change?
Something
and
again
if
we
can
set
the
contract
up
it,
it
would
turn
nine
meetings
and
a
lot
of
policy
conversations
into
an
administrative
thing.
C
A
That's
easy
to
get
even
look
at
three
years
of
our
fees
and
charges.
That's
like
a
five
percent
contingency,
ten
percent
contingency
that
you
would
do
on
a
Construction
contract,
so
I'm
I'm,
because
what
you
want
this
will
ultimately
go
to
council
because
we're
going
to
do
three
years
at
69..
So
the
the
you
know
we
always
go
by
the
resolution.
So
we
have
the
resolution
approving
that
time
now
times.
Three
was
a
ten
percent
contingency
based
on
fees
and
charges.
It
we've
got
it
exactly.
C
C
One
more
thing,
I'll
say
is
like
I
know:
it's
been
a
long
time
in
the
making.
I
know
that
our
Community
Partners
are
really
excited
to
know
the
path
forward.
They
love
partnering
with
us.
They
love
serving
this
role
and
it's
taken
you've
done
a
lot
of
great
work.
John
to
Steward
us
through
this,
so
I'm
excited
I
think
this
goes
before
some
other
committees
too.
So
just
I
know
it's
been
a
long
time
coming
and
great
work.
B
Thank
you
and
thank
you,
and
this
will
be
review
and
recommend
it
to
the
council
later.
B
So,
if
that's
it,
we
will
move
on.
Thank
you
very
much.
John,
thank
you
and
at
this
time
we'll
move
on
to
our
last
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
the
ADL
Alliance
unpaid,
Trails
project
that
will
be
presented
by
Lucy
Brown,
who
is
a
transportation
planning,
division
manager
and
she
will
give
us
an
update
on
the
alliance
pilot
project.
Okay,
oh
sorry,.
A
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
councilwoman's
Kilgore,
but
did
you
do
a
vote?
I
think
you
were
supposed
to
vote
to
recommend
some
make
that
recommendation
to
move
it
up
to
council
and
I'm
so
sorry
to
interrupt.
Thank.
B
You
very
much
appreciate
that
so
at
this
time
do
I
have
a
motion
to
recommend
this
to
the
council
and.
B
D
So
we
were
so
councilman
Kilgore.
We
were
requesting
that
the
PED
committee
make
a
recommendation.
The
council,
but
also
the
policy,
finance
and
HR
committee-
will
hear
this
I
believe
it's
later
this
month
at
their
meeting,
and
they
will
also
be
asked
to
make
a
recommendation.
B
C
I
make
a
motion
to
do
all
the
things
that
are
written
in
the
slide.
Do
I
need
to
say
in
my
lab.
C
Yeah
all
right
so
motion
to
recommend
city
council
phase
out
the
city
strategic
event,
partnership.
You
know,
I
got
to
be
really
honest,
I'm
not
ready
to
make
a
motion,
and
it's
not
because
I
don't
support
this
I
just
need
to
think
on
this.
Some
more
and
I
know
it's
coming
to
the
HR
committee
and
I
think
that
there
might
be
some
other
ideas,
so
I'm,
just
being
really
honest,
I'm,
not
ready
to
make
that
motion
myself.
Okay,.
B
D
D
Say
I
was
gonna,
I
was
gonna,
ask
John
philmon
real
quickly
John.
What
is
what
is
the
date
by
which
we
are
planning
would
like
to
have
this
to
city
council.
E
I
I
have
not
I
just
mentioned
it.
Maggie
and
I
were
just
emailing
today,
I've
not
added
anything
to
the
council
agenda
yet
because
the
next
meeting
date
is
towards
the
end
of
June,
and
so
I
wanted
to
be
sure
that
we
were
past
the
committee
threshold
before
we
scheduled
a
council
meeting.
C
E
John
I
was
just
gonna,
say:
I
I
believe
that
it
was
the
city
manager's
hope
that
we
would
vet
this
through
both
committees,
since
we,
our
department,
doesn't
have
a
particular
committee
that
we
report
to
regularly
and
that
by
sharing
this
information
with
both
committees,
that
we
would
be
able
to
evaluate
Council
support
for
the
program
and
then
make
a
decision
whether
this
moves
forward
to
city
council
or
whether
this
goes
back
to
the
the
drawing
board,
and
it
was
back
in
back
in
November
of
this
past
year,
2022,
where
we
were
expecting
to
go
to
City
Council,
to
eliminate
the
program
and
not
create
a
grants
entirely
and
the
City
attorney
Brad
Branham
said
no,
that's
not
what
council
wants
to
do.
E
E
I
think
it's
just
one
of
those
very
complex
issues
that
Miss
Campbell
wanted
us
to
fully
vet
out
in
these
committee
meetings.
Rather
than
have
it
take
up
a
whole
lot
of
time
at
city
council.
D
Just
just
in
this,
in
the
spirit
of
that,
if
we
need
some
more
time
to
get
comfortable
with
it,
then
just
looking
ahead
at
the
PD's
calendar,
we
we
could.
Your
regularly
scheduled
meeting
is
July
10th
I,
think
you
know.
If
policy
and
finance
hears
this
at
the
end
of
June,
we
could
certainly
make
a
make
a
visit
back
to
PED
in
July.
No,
it's
July
10th
is
a
problem.
We
might
could
even
adjust
that
date.
If
we
needed
to
but
really
I
was
just
I
was
looking
John.
D
We
we
have
Council
meetings
for
full
Council,
only
one
meeting
in
July
and
August,
so
it
would
either
be
in
any
event,
at
the
end
of
the
second
meeting
in
July
or
the
second
meeting
in
August
before
we
could
go
to
full
Council
anyway.
So
councilman
Allman
I
do
think
that
that
leaves
a
little
bit
of
time
for
ped.
Maybe
to
come
back
to
this.
If
that's
what
you'd
like
to
do.
C
I
mean
maybe
I'm
just
not
being
clear,
like
I.
Don't
have
any
problems
with
this
I
need
to
talk
to
some
people,
and
so
I
just
feel
like
talking
to
people
is
part
of
my
responsibility
before
I
can
vote
on
something
I
fully
expect
that
it
will
just
build
my
support,
so
I
mean
I.
Just
I
mean
I.
Understand
that
there's
like
a
timeline
y'all
want
us
to
manage,
but
like
I,
just
I
I'm,
not
ready
to
I
need
to
do
that.
Okay
would.
E
C
I
will
say
that
the
July
meeting
I
happen
to
be
out.
That'll,
be
the
first
to
be
able
to
make
and
I'm
not
trying
to
make
things
more
complicated
but
ultimately,
like
I,
do
think.
This
stuff
comes
from
Council
and
yeah
I.
Just
I'm
not
I
need
to
I
need
to
make
some
calls
before.
I
can
do
that
and
I
didn't
have
a
chance
between
when
we
got
this
agenda
last
week
and
and
this
session.
B
E
Yeah
I
was
trying
to
find
some
comparable
programs
that
we
could
that
we
could
look
at
and
see
if
they
would
work
for
Asheville,
but
in
in
North.
Carolina,
specifically,
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
other
states
with
different
forms
of
governments
and
different
things
in
their
General
statutes
that
do
allow
for
that,
but
in
North
Carolina
it
was
my
expectation.
E
I
would
find
other
cities
with
programs,
but
after
speaking
with
Raleigh
and
Charlotte,
and
several
other
cities
in
North,
Carolina
I
couldn't
find
one
city
that
had
a
program
that
continued
to
exist.
Now
what
what
they
did
have
was.
They
often
had
a
grant
through
their
Finance
departments
that
were
eligible
where
events
were
eligible
to
apply.
The
city
of
Asheville
does
not
have
any
Grant
existing
right
now
that
a
event
could
qualify
under,
maybe
the
maybe
the
neighborhood
matching
fund
Grant
could
somehow,
but
it's
it's
not
intended
for
that
purpose.
I,
don't
believe
so.
E
The
this.
This
is
our
attempt
to
match
as
closely
as
we
can,
with
what
we've
found
in
other
cities
not
administered
through
our
finance
department
but
administered
through
the
Arts
Council.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
okay.
Well,
so
we
will
not
be
able
to
take
a
vote
on
this
today.
So
thank
you.
John
and
it'll
go
on
to
the
last
thing
on
our
agendas
day,
which
is
the
abl
alliance,
unpaid
Trails
project,
which
is
being
presented
by
Lucy
Brown
transportation
management
planning,
division.
G
G
So
this
is
a
brief
outline
we'll
be
talking
about
what
natural
surface
trails
are,
who
the
Asheville
unpaved
alliances.
What
our
pilot
projects
will
be,
what
public
engagement
we've
done
so
far
and
what
steps
we
have
left
before
we
can
come
to
back
to
ped
and
Council
next
slide,
Katie,
so
key
takeaways
natural
surface
Trails
is
a
fancy
word
for
dirt
trails.
They
can
be
built
quicker
and
cheaper
than
paved
Greenways
with
minimal
environmental
impacts.
G
G
The
city
is
currently
engaging
with
property
owners
adjacent
to
the
project
areas
and
we'll
continue
with
engagement
through
neighborhood
and
business
groups,
and
City
staff
is
finishing.
Other
vetting
steps
preparing
to
take
the
use
agreement
to
council
next
slide.
Katie,
yes,
natural
surface
trails
are
much
cheaper
to
build
than
paved
Trails
right
now,
our
paved
Greenways
are
averaging
four
million
dollars
a
mile,
and
these
three
pilot
projects
will
deliver
nearly
five
miles
of
dirt
trails
for
less
than
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
G
They're
a
lot
faster
to
construct.
The
three
pilot
projects
would
be
done
within
a
matter
of
months
they're
when
they're
built
sustainably,
and
that
will
be
a
goal
of
ours.
We
intend
to
I'm
sorry
I
was
trying
to
find,
where
the
hand
is,
if
someone
Rose
their
hand.
Sorry,
when
these
trails
are
built
sustainably,
and
that
is
Our
intention
to
build
these
to
the
highest
standards
of
Trail
building.
G
They
are
very
durable
facilities
and
require
very
little
maintenance
needs
and
by
activating
these
Trails,
we'll
be
able
to
activate
some
undeveloped
wooded
areas
that
the
city
manages
in
a
much
better
way
than
we
are
now
they're
very
desired
by
the
public.
G
When
we
did
our
close
the
gap
surveys,
we
had
nearly
1600
responses
and
94
of
the
people
who
responded
to.
The
survey
really
would
like
to
see
dirt
trails
implemented
as
part
of
our
Greenway
plan,
and
this
will
give
us
closer
access
to
free
Trails,
which
intrinsically
gives
us
better
improve
physical
and
mental
health
for
our
community.
Did
someone
raise
their
hand,
or
is
it
just
a
notification
from
something
else?
Okay,
next
slide.
Katie.
G
Door
trails
are
now
part
of
our
Greenway
master
plan.
When
we
began
talking
about
dirt
trails,
we
were
giving
examples
of
other
locations
throughout
North
Carolina
and
the
country
who
use
dirt
trails
and
work
with
Partners
specifically
to
build
these
trails,
and
that
gave
us
a
lot
of
requests
from
other
groups
who
are
interested
in
working
with
us
to
develop
these
Trails
next
slide,
and
three
non-profits
in
particular
have
risen
to
the
occasion
to
work
with
us
on
building
dirt
trails.
The
three
groups
are
Asheville
on
bikes,
connect,
Buncombe
and
piska
sorba.
G
They
were
getting
cost
estimates
for
their
own
fundraising
needs
and
with
the
help
of
multiple
departments,
including
Janus,
and
the
legal
department
and
Tom
Downing,
our
contact
manager,
our
parks
department
and
our
Cape
Department
we've
been
working
on
a
proposed
use
agreement
that
will
spell
out
how
these
three
groups
will
raise
the
funds
to
hire
a
trail
Builder
and
manage
the
construction
of
the
trails
and
all
the
amenities,
including
signage
and
Trailhead
improvements
and
the
maintenance
of
these
facilities
for
three
years.
G
Why?
Three
years?
That's
a
random
amount
of
time
use
agreements
have
to
have
a
Sunset
date
and
they
are
typically
three
years
long
and
we
can
re-up
use
agreements
and
continue
to
do
that
without
Much
Ado
and
we've
done
that
for
many
other
projects.
G
So,
yes,
as
I
said,
nearly
five
miles
of
trails
that
would
be
4.4
miles
to
be
specific
would
be
built
for
nearly
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
376
710
dollars,
and
they
would
need
zero
dollars
from
the
city.
But,
as
you
know,
nothing
is
really
free.
G
We've
spent
two
years
of
Staff
time
working
with
our
partners
and
in
the
future
if,
after
those
three
years
of
Maintenance
are
finished
and
the
Asheville
unpaved
Alliance
decides
or
we
decide
not
to
renew
the
agreement
with
them,
it
would
take
one
of
our
departments
and
it
will
most
likely
be
our
parks
department
Contracting,
with
a
trail
Builder
or
piscos
Orba,
to
continue
the
maintenance
for
us
next
slide.
G
So
I'll
start
walking
through
the
three
projects.
The
first
one
I
want
to
talk
about
is
the
bacoat
branch
Trails.
It
is
almost
a
mile
of
multi-use
trails
and
on
this
map,
the
green
dotted
line
signifies
the
trail
by
multi-use.
I
mean
these
trails
are,
will
be
built
for
walking
and
running
and
Hiking,
but
also
bike
riding
as
well.
G
In
fact,
it
is
on
the
middle
school
campus
and
that's
very
that's
a
great
idea
for
us,
because
the
Asheville
middle
school
has
a
very
successful
after-school
bike
program
that
would
is
very
interested
in
using
these
dirt
trails
as
part
of
their
program.
It's
also
very
close
to
the
YWCA
which
could
use
these
Trails
for
their
programming
next
slide.
Katie.
G
The
second
pilot
project
is
the
Azalea
Park
trails,
which
is
that
these
Celia
Park
complex,
which
is
where
the
soccer
fields
are,
and
the
Nature
Center
and
the
Rec
pool-
and
these
are
two
separate
Trails
they're-
not
connected
at
this
time.
One
is
over
to
the
east
near
the
dog
park
and
the
pond,
and
it
is
on
the
historic,
Thomas,
Swift
cabin
site
and
the
other
is
near
the
Nature
Center
and
we'll
go
up
a
steep
hill
to
a
little
parklet
that
the
city
has
on
gaseous
Creek
Road.
G
G
The
French
Broad
River
West
property
is
property
that
Duke
Energy
owns,
but
the
city
leases
for
99
years.
It
is
2.18
miles
of
multi-use
trails.
Again,
that's
the
green,
dotted
Trail
and
also
has
a
feature
of
purpose-built
bike
trails,
and
that
means
that
those
trails
are
built
for
the
speed
and
extra
weight
of
bikes
and
can
handle
quick
turns
on
corners,
and
things
like
that.
G
G
We
had
a
total
of
four
neighborhood
meetings,
one
on
Charles
Street,
which
is
on
the
east
side
of
the
book,
Branch
Forest,
the
other
were
residents
of
the
east
side
of
Cleveland
Avenue
for
the
French
Broad
River
West.
We
met
with
people
who
lived
on
the
east
side
of
Riverview
Drive
and
for
Azalea
Park.
We
met
for
the
with
the
residents
of
gaseous
Creek
Road.
G
My
experience
as
a
professional,
Greenway
and
Trail
Builder
is
that
by
activating
these
areas
we
typically
see
a
decline
in
that
kind
of
activity,
and
the
people
on
Cleveland
Avenue
felt
that
that
would
probably
be
true.
There
were
people
on
Charles
Street
who
still
had
significant
concerns.
G
Finally,
once
that's
over
and
we're
getting
close
to
coming
to
council
for
your
approval
will
be
announcing
to
the
public
more
information
about
these
trails.
Next
slide
Katie,
and
these
are
the
final
steps
that
need
to
be
done.
In
order
for
us
to
get
to
council
for
the
Azalea
Trails,
we
need
to
go
to
the
historic
Resource
Commission
to
get
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
because
of
the
trails
that
are
on
the
Thomas
Wolf
cabin
site.
G
The
bacoat
branch
Greenway
needs
an
easement
from
the
Asheville
City
Schools
to
have
the
trails
on
the
middle
school
campus
and
we
because
they
have
a
new
superintendent,
are
waiting
until
that
person
is
more
settled,
we're
guessing
that
the
fall
might
be
the
best
time
to
go
to
them.
For
the
easement,
the
French
Broad
River
Trails.
We
need
approval
from
Duke
Energy
we're
hoping
to
get
that
very
soon,
and
then
we
would
like
to
return
to
you
sometime
in
the
fall
before
going
to
council,
to
have
the
agreement
approved
and
adopted
next
slide.
C
I
have
a
few
okay,
and
so,
when
it
comes
to
council,
the
nature
of
the
approval
is
precisely
around
moving
the
partnership
forward.
Is
that
right
great,
because
what
I'm
hearing
am
I
synthesizing
all
of
this,
but
for
the
land
by
the
middle
school,
the
rest
is
on
city
land
and
it's
to
partner
with
these
Community
Partners,
who
are
going
to
put
in
time
and
money
and
maintenance
to
care
for
it,
and
the
council
would
need
to
weigh
in
on.
C
Is
this
how
we
want
to
use
some
of
this
land
and
are
these
the
partners
to
help
us
take
it
to
that
level
of
use?
Okay,
yeah,
and
do
we
have
any
insight
into
this?
The
city
schools,
interest
I,
know
you
just
mentioned:
they've
been
they've
been
busy
and
I
just
got
to
meet
the
superintendent.
Last
week
she
herself
said:
she's
excited
to
be
here,
she's,
a
big
mountain
biker,
so
I'm
guessing
a
multi-use
trail
might
be
something
she's
interested
in,
and
this
isn't
a
one-person
decision.
This
is
about
the
community.
C
This
is
about
their
properties,
but
do
we
have
any
insight
or
have
we
not
really
started
that
as
we
were,
respecting
that
they
were
in
another
process.
G
In
March,
I
attended
a
work
session
of
the
Asheville
School
board
and
we
had
a
I
would
say
a
very
positive
conversation
about
the
possibility
of
using
their
property
for
these
Trails.
However,
they
had
a
lot
of
questions
about
what
type
of
document
would
best
serve
them.
So
not
maybe
an
easement
isn't
the
perfect
document
for
them,
and
our
legal
department
will
need
to
discuss
that
with
their
legal
department
and,
incidentally,
the
counties
legal
department,
because
this
the
county
helped
pay
for
the
new
school.
G
They
owned,
the
deed
of
the
property
until
the
loan
of
the
constructions
paid
off.
However,
I
don't
believe
that
County
politics
or
governing
will
need
to
be
involved
other
than
having
their
legal
department
sign
off
on
the
easement
okay.
There
was
one
question
at
that
board
meeting
asking
about
the
engagement
that
we've
done
and
at
that
time
we
hadn't
started
engagement.
G
C
C
I
really
I
feel
like
everyone
in
those
neighborhoods
who
has
a
dog
or
likes
to
go
for
a
walk
when
they're
stressed,
will
really
benefit
from
being
off
the
sidewalk
next
to
cars
and
just
getting
exposure
to
our
Urban
Forest
I
think
that
it's
such
a
it's
such
a
quality
of
life
thing,
and
it's
very
exciting
that
we
can
do
this
in
a
way
with
strong
Partners
who,
over
time,
have
really
built
up
their
skills.
C
You
know
15
years
ago,
I,
don't
know
that
we
would
have
had
a
non-profit
partner
that
I
felt
comfortable,
that
they'd
have
the
capacity
to
really
deliver
all
of
what's
being
asked,
so
I'm
really
excited
for
that.
I
also
love
that
you
know
we
looked
at
Greenways
and
we
look
at
other
infrastructure
like
that.
That
can
be
very
expensive.
What's
very
cool
about
this
is
this
natural
surface
is
a
very
cost
effective
way
to
offer
space
to
our
citizens
public
space
that
they
can
share
together?
C
To
just
add
to
the
diversity
of
of
beautiful
public
space
that
we
have
in
our
city
limit,
so
I,
I,
love
that
this
has
come
this
far,
I
hope
that
the
final
work
to
sort
this
through
happens
with
ease
and
I'm
just
really
grateful
for
it.
Lucy
you
put
a
lot
of
time
into
this
and
I
think
you've
been
navigating.
It
really
well
and
I'm
excited
for
this,
even
though
it's
not
in
my
neighborhood
I,
think
it'll
be
a
varsity.
G
Thank
you,
Maggie
yeah
I
would
agree
with
your
take
on
those
partners
and
they
are
so
much
more
mature
than
they
were
10
years
ago
and
I
think
that
it's
the
combination
of
that
trilogy
of
Partners
as
the
magic
sauce
of
this,
because
Asheville
on
bikes
is
great
at
connecting
with
the
Asheville
Community
connect.
Buncombe
is
great,
as
also
at
fundraising,
like
Asheville,
on
bikes
and
pisgas.
G
C
One
more
thing
that
you
know
what
I've
been
observing
with
both
Ashland
bikes
and
connect
bunkum
is
that
you
know
in
our
community
over
time
resources
like
bikes
and
Greenways
and
bike
Lanes
have
been
seen
as
just
for
some
type
of
folks
and
increasingly
I'm,
seeing
our
Legacy
neighborhoods,
inviting
groups
like
Asheville
on
bikes
into
the
neighborhood
for
the
pick
and
put
up
a
bike
pop
up
and
to
teach
kids
bike
skills
and
to
this
very
long-standing,
successful
program
at
the
middle
school,
where
Asheville
on
bikes
comes
in
and
through
the
in
Real
Life
program
is
teaching
bike
skills.
C
I
think
that
that's
really
important
because
I
don't
think
amenities
like
this
are
for
I,
think
they're
for
everybody,
but
they
might
not
have
I
think
that
we're
building
a
bridge
that
folks
can
see.
This
is
really
something
for
everybody,
in
a
way
that
it
hadn't
always
been
seen
so
I
think,
there's
just
more
and
more
possibility
for
everybody
again
to
benefit
from
public
space
in
a
new
way
thanks.
There
I
have
to
say
apparently
I'm
excited
about
this
one.
B
Thank
you,
Lucy
I
too
I
too
Echo
that
Ace
in
regards,
because
I
definitely
think
this
is
otherwise
a
lot
of
these
Trails
they've
been
sitting
there
for
a
while
I
mean
different
parts
and
areas.
So
now
we've
got
someone
doing
something
with
them
and
that's
a
good
thing
and
at
a
good
price,
so
yeah.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that
and
at
this
time
I
would
like
to
take
the
public
comment
and
Katie.
Do
we
have
anything.
H
Hey
everybody:
this
is
Copeland
Rudolph,
calling
in
and
I
hope.
You
can
hear
me
I'm
sort
of
looking
at
the
screen,
but
not
sure.
If
y'all
can
hear
me,
we
can
hear
you
great,
so
I
am
calling
as
the
executive
director
of
Asheville
City
Schools
Foundation,
but
I'm
also
calling
as
a
fifth
generation
ashtabilian
and
a
30-year
Fitness
and
wellness
coach
and
I.
H
Our
mission
here
at
Asheville
City
Schools
Foundation
is
to
collaborate
with
our
community
to
do
whatever
it
takes
for
all
of
our
Asheville
City
Schools
children
to
thrive
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
our
process
of
collaborating
with
community
means
we
don't
create
projects
or
plans
that
impact
our
stakeholders.
H
Our
IRL
program
was
created
from
a
robust
listing
project
almost
15
years
ago,
indicated
by
mayor
Terry
Bellamy,
and
it
is
one
of
our
longest
and
most
successful
programs
and
one
of
our
longest
Partners
is
Asheville
on
bikes.
They
just
provide
outstanding,
experiential
education
with
an
unparalleled
staff
to
student
ratio.
They
usually
bring
four
adults
for
12
kids.
H
It
is
hard,
and
so
you
know
we
see
that
there
are
at
least
three
important
things
around
these
Trails.
First
of
all,
it
is
immediate
access
to
Green
Space
for
our
students
and
not
just
our
bike
clubs
for
our
science
classes
for
our
cross-country
team.
H
It
also,
secondly,
expands
that
that
green
space
to
parents
waiting
to
pick
their
kids
up
from
a
soccer
practice
or
a
football
practice
to
teachers
who
might
want
to
come
and
walk
for
30
minutes
before,
but
before
school
or
after
school,
and
also
I
instruct
through
the
YWCA
in
our
in
our
prison
program
through
light,
a
path
and
I
love,
teaching
outdoor
cross
training
classes,
and
this
expands
the
YWCA
access
for
walking.
H
So
you
know,
I
think
that
this
is
a
natural
expansion
of
Investments
already
made.
Buncombe
County
gave
us
a
grant
for
a
storage
container
to
to
store
the
bikes
at
Asheville
middle
school
so
that
they
are
there
for
kids
to
use
after
school
and
in
the
Summers,
and
we
think
because
they're
going
to
be
14
people
riding
through
those
Trails
every
afternoon
that
just
like
Lucy
said
this
space
will
not
be
full
of
camps
and
garbage.
It
will
be
full
of
people
and
people
who
live
here
and
have
yeah.
B
Okay,
if,
unless
anyone
else
have
anything
to
discuss
this
time,
okay.
A
To
clarify
the
process
for
the
the
special
events
program,
I
think
what
we,
what
we
ended
up,
saying
that
it
will
come
back
to
ped
at
the
July
meeting
and
councilwoman
Allman,
even
if
you
can't
be
there.
Hopefully
that
gives
you
enough
time
to
get
the
answers
to
what
you
want
to,
and
you
can
certainly
and
I've
seen
this
done
before
you
you.
Even
if
you
can't
vote
you
could
hand
your
input
to
one
of
the
other
Commissioners
to
express
whatever
you
want
to,
but
it
does.