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From YouTube: AsyncAPI SIG meeting 62 (November 23, 2021)

Description

This is the recording for the AsyncAPI Special Interest Group (SIG) meeting #62.

Agenda and notes: https://github.com/asyncapi/community/issues/166

Chat:
09:16:23 From David Boyne : We could explore Meetup Groups (AsyncAPI) stuff, but not sure…. We have the SIG people could join
09:16:34 From David Boyne : But Meetups could allow guest speakers ?
09:22:16 From Nic Townsend : Sorry my daughter has woken up and I’ll need to drop
09:22:29 From Nic Townsend : +1 to meetups etc and interview
09:24:51 From _acebuild : we can see your screen.
09:35:13 From Aayush Sahu : See ya!

A

Good morning,.

A

Welcome to um asking api sig meeting 8 am utc just for the record. um We have a 23rd of november a week after the conference.

A

Oh, thank you barbana. At least you turned on the camera, um so there's nothing in the agenda because it's like I said it's a week after the conference we finished on thursday.

A

So but I see many people joined.

A

Do you want to talk about something, maybe conference or whatever you want.

B

um Yeah lucas are you able to share any um general feedback or impressions from the community over the conference this year, because I'm obviously compared to last year's conference. There was a lot more talks, a lot more attendance.

A

um Yeah, so we I can only share what I see what people write in public.

A

So luckily everyone is happy and the feedback overall is very good, but if it comes to feedback to specific to specific presentations, that's something I did not get yet because the the whole schedule uh was handled by the linux foundation team because we hired them because they have this, this schedule application and they could make sure that everything is done like properly.

A

So um this feedback did not come yet.

A

Only got a a like automated email from schedule, and I recall that you actually nick your and um let me check again, I think I have the email somewhere, so I can check quickly or I removed it, um because I was waiting for summary from linux foundation.

A

Okay, it's I'm not gonna, be able to find it now, but I recalled from the email that actually your presentation and selmas was ranked the second one, um and I don't remember the first one, uh even though.

B

I'm happy with the podium spot, even though.

A

It's not the first, the first one, I think, was what was the first one. um Oh, my god, I really I'm my memory is reset. Definitely but yeah it was nadia nadia. I don't remember the title of the talk, but it was related to. um I think it was day three and the talk was. It was really interesting to talk about the about the schemas uh schema registries and how use them with using api and uh she was uh showing the apkorio and and then confluence schema registry. I think so.

A

I think that was ranked the the highest but yeah. um I'm I'm waiting for, and excuse me for a summary from from linux foundation team and also will share feedback with presenters. um In uh personally, no, I mean like, um like directly with the speakers, whatever.

B

Wonderful, thank you, although that is an interesting insight, then that the top two were both around kafka and schema registries with async api.

A

Yeah yeah true, um but we also did I don't. I don't recall, because I don't think we have anyone here. uh Maybe cuda. Do you remember, because we we, I don't think we started, sharing links to the feedback right right after the first talk. I don't recall, um I'm not sure if we didn't start doing it too late like um end of day, one or or maybe day, we start start day day. Two so mainly.

B

The day we.

A

Started at the middle of the day, one I think: okay, yeah and excuse me and um most of the people that were using schedule app and and giving feedback there. It's um it's a group that was like used to using this kind of schedule, apps because they were using it to schedule their own personal uh conference schedule. So they know what stocks they want to attend as a reminders, et cetera.

A

But it's still a good group, um a representative group anyway, and yeah and interesting um stats I can give. Is the the feedback form that we had I'm not sure about the brand, because it's missy that's handling the questionnaire about the async api brand audit, but the the other questionnaire we had was about like overall questions about asking api. So I can share it quickly with you. So there was a question the asking api conference in 2022 should be held and the question was online in person or maybe hybrid online person.

A

So 72 percent of people voted uh hybrid approach for hybrid approach to have online and and in person, and then um we also had a question. What is your experience with um asking dpi? So 56 percent of people said they're exploring using this pack, 32 percent said they're using spec in production and 12 percent of people said they're using it in their pet projects, um and we had a general question. If people know that I think api initiative is not just a spec but also set of tools, so 40 percent.

A

Actually, we could summarize so 88 of people said yes, they are aware and they're using or plan to use.

A

uh Only eight percent people did not know that asking api initiative is um is not only for us in dpi, spec and 72 percent of people knew that we are part of linux foundation.

A

Only 24 or um 24 percent of people were not aware of it, so we educated a few folks, but for me the most important is that we had a. We had a question there like open question. If you were using asking api in production and you'd like to share with us your use cases, uh please put your email address, so we can contact you and we have.

A

Six email addresses one from decathlon, so um so yeah cool that we we actually have people there that would like to share their and their use cases that they're not hiding it so hopefully, next month we can. We can leverage this and um and finally, have some public publicly described different use cases. How people work with us in api.

A

And if it comes to numbers, it's also not yet calculated, I mean numbers of viewers, I mean I I I was putting updates for every day in the in the events channel on slack.

A

And it's hard to calculate further because it's like the number is growing like people are watching. I I see people sometimes dm me saying like they liked the event, um and they are now catching up actually with the presentations because they were not able to attend life.

A

So um I think it's important that uh the good about this um live events is that people then can later also follow up with the presentations.

A

Any other questions topics you'd like to talk about, maybe something more about conference.

A

And yeah recordings we are gonna, although we have the like overall recordings from entire conference.

A

We will release every single presentation, also separately on youtube channel yeah, first of all to expose those dedicated recordings like more than just have them hidden in the in the stream recording and the other. One is also for the good of the of the of the initiative like because we're gonna have a lot of recordings. We're gonna make it's gonna we're gonna, have um content to to use to make it like make some noise around the project and and bring more people to the project.

A

So it's it's gonna happen next weeks, and now we're like for me goal today is to expense all the spendings we did on the marketing and, like summarize, how much, how much money left and how much more we can spend on the swag packs. For for folks, we promised um that we will send some swag packs to some of the conference participants, but I'd like to also send something to the presenters. So, let's see, let's, let's see how much money left.

A

A

Am I the only one enjoying coffee.

B

um Yeah so um I know things like, for example, kafka summit. They have multiple presentation, sorry, multiple summits throughout a year um same with devops etc. Do we think at the moment, async api benefits from a yearly conference, um or is there potential, as the community grows, that we might want to do it more frequently.

A

um I don't know: do you think I mean what I can say from my side.

A

I I personally don't see much involvement from the from, because I know that kafka summit have this uh apac also version, I think, for um like australia or sanya um so, but we don't see, for example, too much involvement of the of the of people from like that part of the world in the initiative, even though we try to have early meetings, um not sure about aipac um and for people that are involved, like uh so side of the world, where we have like um india and pakistan for them, we have this, like the euro time zone like a joint conference.

A

I think it's um it's fine to combine, but having separate for for for america's, I don't know like so it's like in the end. It's all we're doing everything that community needs. um So uh last two years we were doing one event for uh one even year, but if there's a there's enough like um like people really need a dedicated um conference just for one specific uh region, why not like there's? Nothing is written in stone really like the 2022, I would say, is, is open um and we can come up with whatever we want.

A

Whatever solution we want, I see dave wrote, we could explore meetup groups, uh um meetup groups.

A

C

I'm here, oh yeah, um that's much easier.

A

C

um It's just just an idea, just uh it's in the nick, but um if we wanted like um yeah just just meetup groups, you know I can meetup.com and all people have like. I don't know various other technology groups going on. It just gives people platforms talk, maybe do ad hoc sessions about what they're doing racing. I don't know um if they're, I guess I don't know if there'd be any appetite for it or not, um but it's just an idea.

B

Yeah I mean, I think, for me, the the really valuable thing from the conference um was seeing use cases understanding how people were were using the spec challenges that they were facing um and just interesting business applications etc.

B

um So I think for me, yeah having to wait a year to find out these things um has its disadvantages, whereas um the ability to, as you say, um even if it is more ad hoc but publicizing that the idea of a meet up, let's just turn up, chat, see what people are doing with guest speakers um could be a really valuable way of of driving adoption um and visibility because yeah, I certainly learn from seeing what other people are doing.

B

um It has a great influence on then what I might want to do in the future.

A

Yeah, so so what I, what I can promise is that, like my learning from this year, is that um whatever we decide on next year, I want to have a regular meeting just focused on on events, um because also like personally, it was very hard for me, even though we managed to organize the whole the whole conference, doing it purely asking organization um yeah, I I sometimes I was feeling like I'm I'm alone doing doing many many things so I'd like to for next year have a like dedicated meeting.

A

It doesn't have to be every week. Every two weeks can be just once a month, but like a like a place where we, where we meet we kind of summer or summarize, where we at uh where we go in and um explorer next year. So we we know that people want to meet in person next year, but it's again like um it's one, as you said like you, you would have to wait until, let's say september again to hear more stories, uh which is not the the most perfect so um um yeah.

A

Let's, let's explore so not like, like I said, like nothing, is written in stone. Nobody decided on anything and in the end, even if I decide differently, we can um other folks can do do things differently as well. So uh let us just keep it. Keep that in mind that it's it's our decision, not just not just mine so yeah, because there are different options like with, especially when you, when you, when you mention use cases, um we also don't need a dedicated meetup uh to do it.

A

So one thing I was recently um exploring so far in my head, but I was thinking about this use cases that we like we got some email addresses.

A

um We also have some contact with people from the community that could could share their use cases.

A

Excuse me, and um but there's a it's a lot of it like now. Let's say: seven emails here: uh seven emails there. You need to drive those discussions and do some interviews with people.

A

So, for example, one thing I was I was thinking about- and it's something that we could explore is that maybe we should get some kind of more engagement than like an alliance of of of deaf advocates or similar or similar roles across all the companies that are involved in using api, and we could somehow set up a we can call it meetup. We can call it webinar, we can call it.

A

However, we want but kind of um kind of meeting where uh yeah we have this group of um developer relation people that are technical and can also drive discussion um in in a good way and and have once a month or once three months, a kind of uh I kind of meeting an interview exactly with people that want to share their use cases and once it would be like someone from uh from company a and sometimes it would be, interviewer would be somebody from let's say, ibm and and having a kind of interview.

A

But it could be also a a webinar like a like a presentation so so there's there are definitely different. Options like meetups live streams, not sure if we have to call it conference, but we can also have micro conferences there. There's this concept like people do this one day, even with just three talks, let's say um to share something so yeah. It's.

A

It's all very, very flexible here.

A

The the most important is like that from all the ideas we have. We also have to have people that want to get into the driving seat and push it forward.

A

A

Anything else from anyone.

A

I wonder why everyone have cameras off. Was it a hard evening.

C

Yeah, that's good. Okay,.

D

A

Hello did somebody say something.

D

uh Yeah, oh yeah yeah, so I wanted uh to talk a bit and to show like at which stage I am with the desktop application. Regarding the simulator yeah, you you mean you want to share.

A

It now or yeah yeah, one second sure I'll. I have to give you a co-host um right.

A

Okay, now your co-host, so you should be able to share your screen.

D

D

um Can you see the the window.

A

Yes, yeah, we see some application.

D

Can you see the window.

A

Or no yeah yeah we can. My scenario is on the screen.

A

Next is, can you hear us hello.

A

I mean I can hear you not sure about others.

C

Yeah I can have fine. I can see that I can see.

D

The dead man, okay, okay, okay, um so it's not it's towards the final stage of being usable.

D

It uses the the async api simulator library, the one that I made during a google summer of code yeah. So it's not it's not. It has a it's not completely. uh It's not that, like.

D

You put your uh scenario file over here.

D

Oh, you can put your.

D

Don't scenario have.

D

Have what we, what I call operations like user logs on, so we have.

D

This particular channel handle this example, and then we have a scenario.

D

Like uh we can use the user logs on operation and the user game loop operation, so for the library does it it's you to to send a uh asynchronous messages to different channels, uh and its purpose is uh to test uh bank systems uh yeah. These tests back in systems currently supports the mqtt protocol and in the future I will add more protocols.

D

So what this does? Is you put the scenario file code over here uh and creates uh this uh ui? It's very simplistic over here for now, and you can click, so you can click over here like to simulate the the request.

D

The mqtt request in this particular in this particular operations.

D

So I will send an mqtt request under here with the parameters that uh are specified and we'll also perform a loop of 5 cycles, and it will send 5 times here and here and here with the related parameters.

D

It's not completed, but uh yeah. I plan to complete it over like uh have it completely functional over the next three weeks. Probably.

A

All right, so this is what I wanted so.

D

A

Question is like so basically it works this way that you, you click on simulate and then the simulator is triggering traffic right.

D

A

Selected channels, yeah.

D

That's correct and also uh you will need to specify in the sync api file for this to work. I've not added that feature yet so you'll probably have to go through app here and select an sync api file and bait and like if you have wrong parameters here.

D

If, like a player, id does not uh follow the what's been specified in the sync api file uh or uh the player id let's say is not what's been specified. The server id is not what's specified in the in the sync api file, like it's a war like it's, uh it's not a string. It's something else. It's a number!

D

Then it's going to show an error.

D

Like the sync api file will set the limits of what can be written here.

D

A

There's a stage I'm at currently and what happens on the right hand side of the screen when you click on simulate, you see some data coming in or uh not.

D

Currently, you don't see something, but I could I could add something in the future like it just uh it just simulates the traffic, but it's not complete, yet it's just uh yeah yeah. So this is what I want to show you.

A

Okay and the question, because I I recall you you, we had some discussions offline uh about the desktop app. It's because it's it's! um It's like it's! It's like it's very dependent on simulator, right, the library, yeah yeah, and did you consider because we, I know you you asked?

A

If, um because you you have the development in separate repo, did you did you consider that in case of this particular app, it would make sense to have a monorepo approach in simulator to have development of the desktop app next to the library and have some symmetric releases of both?

A

uh So basically, whenever you do some improvements in the in the library itself and then trigger release, you actually release also desktop app and you have the same.

D

A

For both you mean.

D

You mean the desktop application being in a separate repository and then been connected together.

A

Being in the same repository with simulator yeah,.

D

Like this is possible, you mean you mean for me to add the the built code and trigger somehow the automatic building of the desktop app and make a release of the app well, I'm not I'm not certain how this, how I could do this, but yeah we could talk about it.

A

Yeah, just because we have it like sometimes it makes sense to have monorepo like with react component uh in react component. We also have um like the uh we also release a web component version and other versions of the component like, um so it makes sense to have everything in monorepo and just manage two different node projects in one repository, and in this case um that's something.

B

A

To yeah yeah engine explorer yeah, and then we definitely can help out with initial setup, just yeah just dropping you you a a idea if, if that should be really separate, repo or long term, actually part of the simulator yeah yeah, it should. I think.

D

You're right yeah.

A

Okay, cool any questions from anyone.

A

Nope, okay, so thank you. Nectaris for sharing um any other topics, questions.

A

You sure, because next time we meet in two weeks.

A

And nobody's gonna answer any questions before that.

A

Okay, so the next meeting is 4 pm utc.

A

The december 7th.

A

In two weeks, but also tomorrow, we have another contributor. First live stream at 4 pm utc. If somebody wants to join, um I will most probably talk about um parser and something else.

A

I don't remember, because we had like um also something positive. I actually forgot to say also something positive about the conference. What was that we, like many people, joined I mainly to to contribute to the project, and I had some dms and people asking like how they can start.

A

So that's why, tomorrow, during the the live stream, I will handle like how to basically quickly set up a a dev environment for the parser.js and also some other projects. I just some other project, but I just don't remember I it's. um I think it's um websocket note project the code generator, I think so so yeah anyway and anyway, I feel invited oh yeah last. I will count to three to check if somebody has some additional questions or comments.

A

A

One okay, um so thanks a lot for joining folks as usual morning, calls are as engaging as.

A

Watching uh cricket um so um yeah um thanks for joining folks and see you again in two weeks.

A

And I hope you're gonna fix your cameras. Until then.

A