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A
All
right
today
is
July
16th.
This
is
our
fortnightly
meeting
on
design
and
usability
issues.
Recently
anyone
who's
been
watching.
These
meetings
have
noticed.
People
are
very
focused
on
the
new
ready-to-wear
core
initiative
which
will
make
it
so
that
people
can
use
dr.
up
without
needing
to
know
how
to
create
or
modify
piece
Luke.
Do
you
want
to
give
us
an
update?
Know
you
had
meeting
last
night
a
lot
of
great
ideas
coming
out
of
it.
Yeah.
B
Without
without
having
to
have
in-depth
knowledge
of
either
the
technical
pieces,
how
how
things
are
wired
to
get
in
the
backend
or
with
you
know,
heavy
art,
school
design
sensibilities
we
want
to
have
it
so
that
so
that's
something
that
really
doesn't
know
anything
except
for
whatever.
Then
they
can
say
it
about,
can
relatively
simply
choose
from
more
than
one
presentation
style
and
we're
going
to
introduce
ourselves
we
eat.
Let's
get
that.
C
Tim
Erickson,
coming
to
you
from
Deerwood
Minnesota
today
and
yeah
I,
really
got
nothing
haven't
had
as
much
time
as
I'd
like
go
back
grab
stuff
lately.
So
I
got
nothing
hot
on
my
agenda,
but
I'm
looking
for
things
to
work
on,
I'm
excited
to
hear
about
the
ready-to-wear
initiative
or
whatever
we
choose
to
call
it.
A
D
Greg,
on
joining
from
Greece
yeah
I've
been
going
through
the
queue
and
just
trying
to
clean
up
some
old
Q's
and
then
some
recent
discussions,
always
when
I
do
things
over
the
UI,
especially
when
I
watch
other
people
like
look
struggle
with
things.
I
get
ideas
of
how
on
how
to
improve
things
so
I'll
be
raising.
Think
it's
cute.
A
B
Well,
I,
so
so
much
to
share
that
I
I
mean
it.
You
know,
I
would
basically
end
up
trying
to
restart
the
the
meeting
the
Gregory
and
I
had
last
night
and
and
try
to
to
try
to
put
those
in
well.
One
is
right
over
there
Gregory.
If
you
want
to
talk
for
a
little
bit,
then
I'll
just
complain
about
things,
which
is
what
I'm
more
comfortable
going
yeah.
D
Yeah
sure
so
I
have
to
admit
that
before
I
had
this
session
with
look
earlier,
I'm
saying
earlier-
and
you
say
last
night,
this
time
difference,
but
in
didn't
have
a
good
luck.
I
couldn't
work,
my
what
the
initiative
was,
so
we
started
going
by
the
agenda
and
there's
a
clear
goal
defined
in
the
agenda,
but
there
was
no
deliverable
defined
as
what
is
going
to
be
the
product.
Is
it
going
to
be
a
specific
module?
This
is
gonna,
be
a
changing
core.
D
Is
it
going
to
be
a
set
of
contributors
or
any
of
those,
a
combination
of
any
of
those?
We
started
drafting
something,
but
we
didn't
end
up.
Like
did
we
see
where
he
thinks
there
was?
It
was
a
lot
of
to
this
a
lot
of
things
to
discuss.
We,
we
took
a
tour
of
how
things
are
done
in
backdrop
and
then
looked.
It
was
obvious
that
look
has
not
been
up
to
date
with
certain
changes.
D
He
was
presently
surprised
multiple
times
of
the
things
that
we've
added
and
then
we
took
how
we
spun
up
a
demo
of
dr.
open,
a
demo
of
WordPress,
and
we
took
like
sort
of
like
a
tour
around
how
people
browse
and
explore
different
things
and
how
they
get
to
try
it
or
preview
what
they
will
get.
We
we
discussed
around
various
there
was
a
lot
of
brainstorming
or
ideas
and-
and
we
didn't
concluded
in
a
specific
set
of
things,
but
it
was
a
very
useful
discussion.
D
We
took
notice
know
certain
things
and
maybe
we
need
to
clean
up
the
thing
peeking
and
the
thing
browsing
UI
on
our
rent,
but
we
do
need
to
have
a
set
of
things
that
will
serve
the
purpose
of
you
know,
swapping
them
in
giving
people
idea
of
what
what
can
be
done.
One
of
the
pain
points
that
look
expressed
was
that,
with
both
backdrop
in
WordPress,
you
get
a
in
order
to
get
a
preview.
D
All
we
get
is
a
screenshot
of
the
thing
right
and
when
you
you
browse
those
things,
you
get
a
mixture
of
design
and
content.
So
it's
not.
You
cannot
compare
same
things,
so
the
reference
in
Luke's
case
was
that
he
would
like
the
same
kind
of
content
being
presented
with
its
theme
so
that
he
didn't
compare
Thanks,
which
is
not
what
we
do
now.
We
it's
famous
completely
different
with
each
other,
so
this
is
there's
no
way
for
him
to
so
like
get.
He
said
around
what
he's
gonna
get
with
its
being.
B
Let
me
let
me
hijack
back
for
okay,
because
I
think
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
be
cognizant
of,
and
and
and
careful.
It
was
not
the
scope
creep.
I'm,
not
gonna,
try
to
boil
the
ocean
and
solve
all
the
world's
problems
so
but
last
night,
which
sort
of
came
up
with
such
a
compelling
scope
creep
that
I
want
to
introduce
it
as
as
a
thing
it's
not
just
sort
of
like
solving
our
initial
problem.
It's
sort
of.
B
If,
if
it's
true
like
solving
problems
that,
like
everybody
all
the
systems
have
experienced
like
like
you
know,
wait
because
you
know
we're
talking
about
the
idea
of
you
can't
tell
what's
different
when
you
select
a
different
theme
and
even
like
WordPress,
which
is
a
very,
very
rich.
Looking
interface.
You,
you
see
all
these
beautiful
pictures
of
the
different
themes,
but
since
each
one
you
know
it
is
a
screenshot
of
its
own
content.
B
90%
of
what
you
see
is
the
choices
and
the
different
contest,
like
really
you're,
very
little
idea,
unless
you
like,
look
really
precisely
and
try
to
feel
like
okay
is
there
more
spacing,
and
the
header
or
they're
like
like
trying
to
actually
figure
out
what's
different
about
me,
requires
just
the
kind
of
expertise
that
I'm
saying.
No,
we
shouldn't
demand
the
people
so
and
and
kind
of
brainstorming
how
what
a
what
a
better
way
to
get
this
was.
We
ended
up
in
the
in
the
theme
settings
in
backdrops
team
setting
that.
B
Basis
you
and
their
life
review
yeah,
where
there's
a
lot
preview
and
and
you
make
choices
and
you
you
see
basically
right
away,
you
have
to
click
off
a
selector.
Maybe
you
see
your
updates
you
mentally,
and
we
do
that
for
just
like
bigger
changes
like
like
imagine
the
same
kind
of
preview
window
except
over
here.
You
know
on
one
side
you
have
actually
just
select
entirely
different
things
or
different
layouts
for
different
color
sets.
Thank
you
and
suddenly
you
know
I
mean
imagine
just
those
three
things.
Imagine
you
know
three
different
themes.
B
B
If,
if
I
wanted
to
go
for
like
a
super
MVP
way
to
do
without
having
to
write
new
code,
I
would
just
in
the
interface
you
know
in
the
appearance,
menu
group
group
themes
and
layouts
and
theme
settings
and
maybe
change
the
name
of
the
theme
setting.
So
it
doesn't
sound
so
so
edge
Casey
like
it's
really
more
central
than
I
like
it
like
it
should
be.
It
should
be
something
that
only
experts
wander
into.
It
should
be
everybody
on
day.
One
I
just
think
your
site
shoot
the
colors.
B
A
Nobody
used
it
and
so
I
think.
If
we
had
better
criteria
about
how
teams
could
be
using
this
or
should
be
using
this,
we
might
create
a
world
in
which
this
thinking
was
very
useful
feature
and
people
that
would
become
more
important
and
then
we
should
we're
sort
of
in
this
chicken
people
are
like
that's
no
good,
don't
use
that
I
had.
D
This
idea
of
making
the
pieces
that
the
core
pieces
that
we
have
a
basis
not
B
basis
specific
like
expose
these,
but
you
have
to
match
the
elements
for
its
thing
and
you
have
the
same
names,
but
if
we
could
find
a
way
to
sort
of
like
present
different
things
with
the
same
presets.
That
would
be
amazing,
like
pink.
A
D
A
A
Actually
it
feels
and
even
taking
like
one
color
and
adjusting
it
slightly
when
it's
used
in
Texas,
it's
different
when
it's
used
in
a
background
color,
so
that
it
feels
the
same.
Even
though,
like
that
string
isn't
the
same
and
the
way
our
color
module,
does
it
like
find
replace
strings,
and
so
it
doesn't
it.
It
doesn't
account
for
that
nuance
that
makes
it
be
really
good
and
so
I
think
like
having
each
scene
be
like
okay.
How
do
I
take
my
theme
and
make
it
look
good
in
a
different.
A
A
That
way,
we
can
let
each
theme
sort
of
choose
like
which
elements
to
change
colors
and
which
colors
they
should
use
and
I.
Think
like
recommending.
The
starting
palettes
is
good.
I
mean
like
if
there
are
any
in
fact
drops
color
palettes
that
work
for
your
theme.
Please
use
them,
but
I
don't
think
that
allowing
all
colors
should
be
applied
to
all
what.
C
Because
I'm
getting
immensely
frustrated
and
that
we
keep
jumping
toward
sort
of
solutions
to
problems
that
we
haven't
sorted
to
find
it
right.
What
would
be
really
helpful
to
me
is
if
we
sort
of
settle
down
like
what
are
the
primary
questions,
we're
addressing
right
now
and
I,
hear
us
making
progress
on
that
and
I'd
like
to
just
focus
on
that
for
a
minute
and
to
me
the
two,
the
two
problems
that
I
keep
here.
C
You
know
we
come
back
to
as
one
is
this
ability
to
detect
to
test
out
themes
right
like
what
is
the
best
way
to
do
that
and
different
kinds
of
solutions
have
been
presented.
One
is
a
site
where
you
go
and
do
that.
Another
is
a
module
in
core
and
other
is
a
criminal
right
and
so
I
mean
if
we
can
like.
C
If
that
is
the
problem
or
coming
up
with,
it
would
be
nice
to
kind
of
settle
on
the
big
outline
like
which
which
of
these
approaches
do
we
want
to
start
with
and
we're
not
limited
to
that
I
think
the
other
problem
that
I,
that
is
related,
that
I
hear,
is
setting
some
sort
of
a
criteria
about
like
whatever,
if
we're
gonna.
If
the
goal
is
to
have
multiple
themes
that
are
ready
to
use,
how
do
we
decide
if
they're,
ready,
right
and
so
like
before
we
decide?
C
You
know
how
we're
gonna
implement
color
palettes
we
have
to
decide
well.
Is
that
actually
a
criteria
right
because
I'm,
not
even
me
personally,
I,
think
if
we
had
a
theme
that
just
looked
good
in
one
color
scheme
but
was
ready
to
use
out
of
the
box?
That
would
be
a
big
improvement.
They
like
to
say
that
every
theme
has
to
be.
You
know,
look
good
in
three
different
color
schemes
be
setting
the
bar
a
little
higher
than
we
need
to
to
start
with.
C
So
before
we
solve
that
that
other
problem,
you
know,
do
we
even
wanna
solve
that
right,
I
mean
yeah
to
me
just
being
able
to
pay
it
between
three
or
four
different
themes
that
look
good
on
basic
content
and
where
I
keep
getting
hung
up
is
and
I
think
this
is
solved
by
the
first
problem.
It's
like
how
do
we
know
when
something
looks
good
if
we
don't,
if
we
haven't
defined
the
criteria
or
I
mean
I
like
the
idea
and
I
know,
this
isn't
the
only
way
of
doing
this.
C
If
I
were
right
now
to
sort
of
set,
what
I
think
the
initial
goal
should
be,
it
would
be
to
create
a
site
with
some
sample
content
that
you
can
drop
a
theme
into
and
that
sample
content
helps
us
find.
What
we
think
should
look
good
right,
that
this
sample
site
has
blog
posts
and
like
what
content
does
it
have?
What
headers
is
it
using
like?
C
D
If
you
manually
change
that
to
theme
equals
seven,
we
get
the
same
page
with
a
different
thing.
So
I
say
we
have
that
mechanism
in
court
already.
So
we
support
a
live
preview
already
in
port.
So
maybe
we're
closing
after
having
something
like
that
in
court,
like
we
have
a
color
scheme
previewer,
we
can
have
a
theme
preview
it.
So
the
person
that
comes
in
adds
content
can
switch
things
and
say:
oh,
this
looks
good
with
my
existing
content,
whatever
I
have
in
this
site,
this
doesn't
look.
A
Right
now,
I
think
the
number
of
people
who
do
this,
or
it's
very,
very
low
80%
use
case
but
I,
feel,
like
part
of
this
core
initiative,
thing
is
like
to
make
backdrop
more
attractive
to
the
people
who
do
that
so
I'm
not
sure
that
counting
the
people
are
doing
it
now
is
the
right
answer.
So
how
do
we
determine
like
how
much
of
this
belongs
in
court
like
if
we
already
have
the
URL
support
like
where,
at
what
point
do
we
draw
the
line
of
like
okay
core?
Has
enough
of
this
interval
ready
versus?
D
D
We,
we
sort
of
solve
that
situation,
that
that
issue,
though,
because
we
have
already
had
the
demos
what
we
already
have
their
finger
on
demo
site,
so
people
that
do
sting
demo
sites
will
want
to
test
how
the
demo
site
looks
in
anything
thing
right
right
and
they
can
do
it
still
because
they
can
go
and
browse.
Install
new
theme
switch
to
that
and
then
preview
it.
But
maybe
we
can
stuff
like
lessen
the
steps
that
they
take.
Maybe.
A
C
C
What
does
it
mean
for
that
theme
to
be
available
right
thing,
those
criterias
yeah,
so
it's
like
I'd
rather
focus
on
those
things
and
that's
I
feel
like
as
we're
doing
that
we're
gonna
realize.
Oh,
you
know
what
would
really
help
is
that
this
was
in
core,
so
I
mean
I'm.
There
might
be
some
things
that
we
know
right
now
could
be
done
for
to
help
us
in
that.
But
to
me,
there's
so
many
other
more
pressing
questions
to
move
this
theme
to
move
this
initiative
forward.
Why.
D
Why
do
we
need
to
limit
this
to
a
few
specific?
Another
luke
has
compiled
a
list
of
a
few
candidates,
things
that
is
not
it's
not
a
safe
thing
with
something
that
we
decided
is
proposal
right
by.
Why
should
we
limit
it
to
accepted
things
or
whatever?
It
could
be
things
that
are
not
ready
and
people
that
just
just
skip
them?
Do
we
wanna?
In
other
words,
do
we
want
to
moderate
the
list
of
things
that
people
browse
like?
Do
we
want
to
do
that?
I,
don't
I,
don't
think.
That's.
C
My
point
I
wonder
my
point
is
that
we
need
to
set
some
sort
of
benchmark
like
a
goal
to
it,
achieve
right
and
one
possible,
but
a
benchmark
or
goal
would
be
that
we
have
three
or
four
themes
that
we
think
meet.
A
certain
set
of
criteria
is
right.
It
doesn't
other
themes,
might
not
that
but
still
be
valuable
and
helpful,
but
it's
just
some
sort
of
way
of
knowing
that
we've
reached.
C
You
know,
we've
made
progress,
but
it's
kind
of
arbitrary
right
it
and
by
no
means
am
I
saying
we
should
exclude
other
themes
like
if,
if
we
had
a
demo
site
set
up-
and
you
know-
and
we
had
three-
you
know
it
seems
that
met
our
criteria.
That
doesn't
mean
we
don't
have
other
themes
as
well.
Exactly.
B
B
No
I
I
think
I
mean
my.
My
feeling
about
this
is:
is
we're
actually
incredibly
close
to
MVP
that,
at
the
same
time,
that
scope
is
expanding
its
expanded,
like
it's
almost
a
D?
It's
what's
the
opposite
of
scope
creep
like
scope,
recession
like
look
rather
than
you
know,
we
don't
actually
probably
need
as
much
as
maybe
I
thought
we
did,
because
because
more
of
it's
in
place,
so
so
so
we
can
get
kind
of
progress
out
the
door
by
by
picking
among
whatever
things
we
have,
there's
probably
mm-hmm.
B
You
know
two
or
three
they're
kind
of
ready
to
go
right
now
that
we
could
just
start
to
get
this
demo
idea
and
they
were,
and
then
they
were
trying
to
solve
this
problem
of
introducing
it
as
I
refer
as
a
way
for
for
users
to
to
get
handle
on
things.
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
know
it's
like
like,
like
kind
of
a
the
biggest
irony.
B
You
know,
because
you
know,
as
you
guys
know,
that
I've
checked
in
and
out
of
the
project
at
different
points,
and
one
of
the
greatest
ironies
it
is,
is
that
I
I
push
for
the
dashboard
for
awhile
and
disappeared
was
implemented.
It
was
in
the
fantastic
it's
like
my
orphan
child.
Oh
hey,
you've
turned
out
really
well.
B
That
be
like
so
look
if
you
haven't
got
anything
here,
choose
one
of
these
things
like
I
mean
they're
they're
bullet
points
on
the
in
the
dashboard
right
now,
in
fact,
you
know
I'm
sure
it's
cream
just
so
that,
instead
of
like
pointing
to
my
off
screen
thing,
I
think
is
yeah,
that's
right!
So
let
me
just
sure
whatever
it
it's
more
like,
it's
probably
tiny
little
NYSEG
mystery.
Now!
Yes,
yes,
word
right,
so
so
I
mean
over.
B
Here
is
really
what
what
I
had
in
mind,
but
but
just
as
as
bullet
points,
I
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think
it's
enough
of
an
attractive
nuisance
to
get
to
believe
that
people
are
going
to
eat
it.
I
feel
like
like.
We
want
to
be
more
opinionated
with
me
users
like
okay,
you
know,
if
you
don't
know
you're
doing
here,
do
this
first,
you
know
click.
You
know,
try
these
three
themes.
Now
you
know
what
themes
do.
Try
these
three
layouts.
Now
you
know
what
layouts
through
you
know
to
try
these
three
customizations.
B
Now
you
know
what
those
now
you're
ready
to
to
go
on
and
and
I
think,
besides
having
just
a
very
small
number,
two
three
four,
like
less
themes
that
we
believe
in
I
think
we
just
need
sample
content
I
mean
we,
you
know.
Maybe,
if
template
fires
up
with,
like
you
know,
pick
one,
you
know
you
doing
a
portfolio
a
blog.
The
business
I
like
just
maybe
like
in
the
same
way
like
two
or
three
choices,
which
everyone
is
kind
of
closer.
What
you
think
you
want
to
do
and.
B
D
This
keeps
coming
up
like
the
demo
content.
How
does
everybody
feel
about,
like
the
Drupal
folks
have
done
an
incredible
job
with
the
Oh
mommy
thing
and
it's
it's
it's
there,
so
we
can
grab
it
so
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
would
be
a
like
a
demo
content
module
in
or
where
something
that
people
can
install.
But
do
you
guys
feel
that
this
is
a
one
of
the
goals
that
sort
of
like
satellite
goals
with
this
initiative,
so.
C
That's
great
to
the
point
that
I
was
gonna
make,
which
is
I,
think
we
need
to
decide
right
now,
and
this
is
a
sub
question
of
what
I'm
about
to
ask
which
it
seems
to
me
the
first
sort
of
fork
in
the
road
in
terms
of
like
how
do
we
get
to
a
minimum
of
goal
is:
does
this
thing
need
to
be
in
in
core
or
does
or
could
it
be
just
a
demo
site,
either
a
tugboat
site
or
something?
And
then
a
sub
question
of
that
is
what
you're
asking
Gregory
is?
C
You
know
which
that
might
be
less
important
if
it's
in
core,
because
if
it's
in
core,
we
assume
that
the
user
is
gonna
use
their
own
content,
although
I
still
I
still
like
the
idea
of
having
something
like
umami,
so
I'm,
not
against
that.
But
if
we
set
up
a
sample
site,
we
almost
have
to
have
demo
content,
because
otherwise
it's
pointless
so
I
mean
I'm.
Definitely
in
favor
of
creating
something
with
demo
content
that
people
can
try
seem
so
Don
I'm,
less
convinced.
If
we
could
do
that
quickly.
C
As
a
part
of
core,
and
if
there
was
unanimity
around
that
I
would
be
comfortable
with
it,
but
I'm
skeptical,
one
that
we're
gonna
get
buy-in,
that
we
should
do
it
in
core
and
two
I'm
also
afraid
that
we're
gonna
get
bogged
down
in
technical
details.
Whereas
I
think
that
in
a
couple
of
weeks
we
could
have
a
good
demo
site
up
and
running
with
sample
content
and
I
feel
like
that
would
be
a
lot
easier
and
more
achievable.
Yep
first
step,
I,
agree.
C
D
D
D
C
Are
good
questions
and
I'm
like
to
me
initially
my
idea
and
I
think
Luke
and
I
talked
about
this
before
my
initial
idea
was
we
just
have
a
demo
dot
bat-crap
dot
CMS,
which
is
just
a
site
which
uses
could
login
to
it's
not
spin
up
your
own.
However
I
know
since
then,
this
idea
of
like
giving
people
the
ability
to
spin
up
their
own
tugboat,
their
own
tugboat
demo
site,
has
come
up
and
I.
That
would
be
great
too.
C
It
feels
to
me
like
it's
a
little
bit
harder,
but
it
may
not
be
that
much.
So
if
it's
you
know,
if
we've
got
somebody
who
knows
how
to
help
us
do
that,
then
we
could
then
I
think
we
should.
That
would
have
to
be
I,
think
it
would
be
different.
I
don't
know.
Would
it
be,
then
I
think
your
question
Gregory
is:
does
that
replace
our
current
link
on
the
front
panel
right?
The
devil.
C
The
problem,
though,
that
we
have
to
answer
Luke
if
that
is
true,
is
if
we've
won,
decided
we're
not
adding
anything
to
core,
then
right
now
that
that
demo
button
is
here's.
What
core
is
right.
So
if
we
build
these
new
features
into
that
demo
button
and
that
demo
button
is
no
longer
here's.
What
cool,
how
it's
something
yeah.
D
This
is
the
the
problem
that
we
had
before
and
there
were
solutions
to
that
so
that
the
problem
was,
do
we
spin
up
a
site
that
has
contributed
modules
or
themes
or
whatever,
and
it's
ready
for
people
to
test,
or
do
we
spin
up
a
vanilla
and
let
them
do
it
and
that's
that
solution
like
there's
many
discussions
and
we
have
solutions
for
that,
it
could
be
a
checkbox
that
says
install
demo
content
or
it
could
be
a
separate
button,
one
that
says
vanilla,
demo
or
full-blown
umami,
then
or
whatever.
We
call
it
right
again.
B
D
Going
back
to
what
Steve
said
going
back
to
what
Tim
said,
though,
if
we
built
a
separate
side
which
is
a
separate
domain,
there's
nothing
that
stops
linking
from
the
demo
page
see
how
the
demo
page
says:
spin
up
a
demo
site.
We
can
explain
that
this
is
a
vanilla
installation
if
you
want
something
with
a
demo
content
click
this
link
here
and
go
to
the
full-blown
whatever.
A
People
like
best
best
face
forward
demo
and
be
like
you,
want
to
see
what
it
looks
like
went
back
to
person
anything
on
it,
here's
the
hidden
empty
site,
and
that
way
it
makes
it
better
first
impression,
but
I
knew
like
I
like
the
idea
of
having
two
different
ways
to
demo
it.
My
concern
was
like
how
how
people
make
that
decision,
because
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
I'm
with
the
install
profile
choice
from
these
dollars,
like
you,
don't
want
to
have
to
decide
now.
A
I
think
it
would
almost
be
better
to
have
like
different,
but
it's
like
two
different
types
of
demos,
one
that
installs
the
empty
version
like
we
have
now,
and
we
just
copy
that
and
make
a
new
version
has
all
the
stuff
we
want
in
it
and
no
I
have
that
be
a
question
that
we
asked
people
anywhere.
Looking
perhaps
I
should
be
like
put
this
button
on
the
homepage
and
then
on,
maybe
the
landing
page
that
we
send
them
to
really
give
us
five
seconds
to
make
a
demo.
A
B
D
B
C
A
nice,
so
what
I
think
is
not
clear
and
Jen
might
be
the
only
one
on
here
that
that
has
the
skills
to
like.
Do
the
tugboat
work
to
make
this
available
and
I
don't
even
know
if
you
do,
it
sounds
like
Peter
might
or
Nate
or
the
people
I
know
who
probably
could
and
what
one
is
we
might
just
want
me
to
check
with
them
to
find
out.
A
D
C
C
So
what
I
would
say
is
a
short
term
thing
to
do
really
concrete
is
to
one
sort
of
check
with
Nate
or
Peter,
like
how
big
of
a
project
is
this,
since
it's
really
doable
in
the
short
term,
and
if
so,
what
do
they
need
from
us
right
to
start
working
on
it?
What
what
do
we
have
to
deliver?
I
think
that
we've
all
agreed
that
sample
content
is
going
to
be
integral
to
this.
No
matter
what
right
in
any
of
the
models
we
go
in,
we
need
some
sort
of
basic
sample
content.
C
C
Point
so
getting
getting
to
work
on
the
sample
content
is
the
next
thing
and,
to
be
honest,
I
think
that
gives
us
a
long
ways
there
I
think
one
of
the
next
things
is
is
defining
you
know
again
what
you
know
when
a
theme
is
complete.
You
know
what
we
consider
to
be
that
and
to
some
extent
that
might
just
happen
through
the
development
of
the
sample.
B
B
Can
do
that
and,
and
now
we're
gonna
like
you
know,
I
I
think
I
think
my
next
incremental
on
that
is
is
to
just
try
to
get
advice
from
designers
like
like
try
to
try
to
get
it
so
that
once
the
was
the
bad
looking
framework
is
put
together.
We
have
you
know
one
of
those
people
that
that
knows.
Okay,
you
know
when
you
have
like
this
shade
of
green
in
that
shade
of
purple
and.
C
To
do
that,
oh
no
I'm,
not
sure.
We
need
to
do
that
in
the
sense
that
if
we
have
sample
content
and
if
we
have
a
demo
platform
in
a
place
for
somebody
to
put
up
their
theme
and
showcase
it-
that
other
people
won't
be
able
to
make
all
the
aesthetic
decisions
right,
we
can
just
say
hey
we're.
We
want
you
know
to
meet
the
criteria,
which
is
that
your
site
looks
good
with
these
different
criteria.
C
B
A
A
D
C
I,
don't
know
we
don't
have
to
decide
Gregory.
On
the
other
hand,
I
see
some
benefit
of
having
some
approved
themes.
If
we
do
and
I
you
know,
I'm
I
am
there's
an
argument
that
we
don't
need
to
do
that,
but
I
think
it
would
be
helpful,
and
if
we
do
that,
then
we
have
to
make
them
a
judgement
right
on
what
meats
are
approved.
But
again
by
no
means
does
that
limit
what
can
go
into
the
system?
Anybody
can
submit
something
whether
it's
approved
or
not.
D
The
demo,
the
demo,
that
we
spun
up
with
WordPress
with
look
had
15
things
that
we're
marked
as
recommended
and
then,
when
you
went
to
populate
it
was
like
some
like
three
and
a
half
thousand
yeah.
So
we
could
do
something
like
that.
Yes
and
I
promoted,
yeah
right
so
yeah
and
then
it
was
sorted
by
popularity
were
uses
or
what-have-you.
A
Okay,
decide
criteria
for
what
themes
should
be
promoted,
check,
promotes
and
themes
check.
Oh,
we
need
more
themes,
fix
all
the
themes
right
and
we
can
kind
of
have
a
laundry
list
of
things.
We'd
love
to
do
to
make
all
of
this
stuff
better,
and
we
only
get
the
first
set
done
in
the
next
three
months.
I
think
that's
fine!
So.
C
I
was
going
to
quickly
last
week's
meeting
Jen
observed
that
there's
been
a
couple
of
new
themes
that
have
come
out
recently
and
I'd
like
to
consider
that
the
first
success
of
this
initiative
is
that
potentially
just
by
us
talking
about
this
for
the
last
three
months
is
that
we've
got
some
people
that
have
already
started
to
release
some
beeps,
because
that
hadn't
happened
for
a
long
time.
You
know
a
sudden
we've
had
two
or
three
come
out
so
so.
D
A
A
C
A
A
A
B
A
A
A
D
A
We
can
use
our
criteria
once
we
decide
what
those
are
and
then,
if
we
also
want
to
add
some
other
stuff
for
comparison.
I
think
it's
good,
but
I
also
don't
want
to
generate
a
bunch
of
work
or
like
backdrop
developers
to
be
like
go
take
something
that
nobody's
ever
going
to
use
from
Drupal
just
for
demonstration
purposes
or.