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A
Welcome
everyone
to
our
june
10
meeting
appreciate
everybody
being
available.
We
obviously
are
virtual
again,
but
we
will.
We
will
be
talking
about
that
among
other
things
today,
as
I
I
think
I
mentioned
in
the
email,
I
sent
everybody
on
sunday.
A
The
our
speaker
today
was
not
available
as
originally
thought
and
scheduled.
So
I
wanted
to
take
advantage
of
the
fact.
This
was
all
on
our
calendars
to
sort
of
set
some
things
out
here,
because
it's
mid-june
already
and
before
we
know
it,
it
will
be
summer
will
be
over,
and
then
we
have
the
final
report
due
november
30
and
so
there's
a
fair
amount
to
to
get
done.
A
At
this
point,
I
have
to
say
the
interim
report
was
thorough
in
a
lot
of
ways
which
I
think
is
great
and
I'm
glad
that
we
were
able
to
make
the
recommendations
we
did.
There
are
some
things
that
I
think
the
commission
agrees
will
need
to
be
followed
up
on,
and
we
will
do
that
and
and.
A
Figure
out
what
what
else
we
need
to
tackle,
I
think
we
need
some
new
subcommittees.
I
think
the
work
of
a
couple
of
subcommittees
is
done
or
just
about
done,
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
external
stakeholder
information
coming
our
way,
and
I
want
to
be
sure,
we're
ready
to
assess
that
we've
got
some
follow-up
issues
with
people
who
we've
already
heard
from
I'll
call
the
the
internal
or
the
county
stakeholders
the
county
consultants.
A
Let's
extend
anything
else
from
them.
I
want
to
be
sure
we
get
that
lined
up
now
and
I
guess
where
I'm
really
going
with
all
this
is.
There
was
quite
a
bit
of
activity
with
respect
to
the
interim
report,
sort
of
right
up
to
the
last
minute
and
the
difficulty,
if
you
will,
of
for
the
challenges,
but
that
way
of
a
november
30
due
date
is
that
thanksgiving
holiday
is
in
there
and
there
are
some
other
things
and
everybody's
got
other
things
going
on.
A
So
that
we
can
really
concentrate
the
last
60
days
really
45
days
to
get
the
draft
done
in
the
final
report
by
have
that
done
before
the
thanksgiving
holiday.
So
there's
there
won't
have
to
be
any
interruption
or
or
emergency
commission
meetings.
If
we
can
avoid
it-
and
I
know
because
I
serve
with
great
great
people
that
we'll
do
whatever
we
have
to.
B
A
But
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
try
to
avoid
the
fire
drill
at
the
end
of
the
near
the
end
of
our
term,
if
you
will
so
that's
my
my
welcome
and
let's
move
on,
it's
actually
not
on
the
agenda,
but
we
need
to
approve
minutes.
The
minutes
have
been
distributed.
A
Peta
had
some
corrections
that
were
made
in
the
online
versions.
Those
have
been
made.
So,
let's
start
with
the
april
eight
minutes.
Are
there
any?
Are
there
any
corrections
to
to
those
minutes?.
A
Oh,
thank
you.
Okay,
it
looks
like
we
have
a
second
there,
and
so
everyone
agrees
great
april
29
again
as
distributed
and
corrected
any
corrections
by
any
additional
corrections,
all
right
hearing
none.
I
think
I
think
the
modern
way
is
that
just
that
there
I
remark
that
they're
approved
and
if
no
one,
if
no
one
objects
or
offers
another
correction,
I
think
we're
good.
So
now
that's
april
29th.
So
now
let's
do
may
20
again
as
distributed
and
corrected
any
additional
corrections
so
hearing
none.
A
Then
the
20
minutes
are
also
approved.
Thank
you
and
when
everybody
gets
a
gold
star
just
for
serving
on
the
commission,
peter
gets
an
extra
one,
because
her
her
copy
editing
skills
are
unparalleled.
A
Okay,
so,
first
item
up
on
commission
business
are
what
I'm
going
to
call
the
subcommittee's
topic.
A
We
identified
in
the
interim
report
a
a
number
of
next
steps
and
just
as
a
quick
reminder,
the
we
talked
about
looking
at
organizational
structure,
contracting
processes
specifically
concerning
splitting.
A
We
of
course
stakeholder
input.
That's
the
that's!
The
survey
on
our
public
meeting
we'll
get
to
those
in
a
minute
sustainability
and
today's
speaker
will
be
the
speaker
on
the
28th
of
june,
the
baltimore
county's
new
chief
sustainability
officer
we're
looking
at
best
practices.
A
The
construction
subcommittee
still
had
a
number
of
things
that
it
wanted
to
look
at
standard
contract
form,
purchasing
for
capital,
improvement
contracts
and
county
projects,
contract
administration,
vendor
payment
and
architectural
engineering
procurement
method.
A
We
also
talked
about
a
couple
of
things
in
what
we
refer
to
in
the
interim
report
as
the
procur
as
our
procurement
chronology,
and
I
think
the
commission's
done
a
good
job
of
getting
through
items
one
through
four
but
item
five.
Is
the
post
selection
process
required
approvals
and
challenges
to
award,
and
I
I've
had
some
input
a
couple.
People
have
suggested
that
we
be
helpful
if
the
commission
could
take
a
look
at
what
happens
in
two
respects,
one
when
a
protest
is
filed.
A
B
A
Is
familiar
with
this
on
the
state
side,
when
there's
a
protest
on
the
state
side,
the
board
of
public
works
has
a
regulation
in
place
that
says
that,
typically,
when
a
when
there's
been
a
protest
or
an
appeal
of
a
protest,
the
award
of
the
contract
by
the
board
of
public
works
is
delayed
until
the
end
of
the
protest
or
the
appeal.
A
I
don't
think
there's
anything
like
that,
either
way
on
the
county
side,
whether
that
means
someone
just
who
wants
to
protest,
runs
to
the
circuit
court
to
try
to
get
a
try
to
get
an
injunction
of
some
sort,
but
there
was
there's
been
a
suggestion
that
there
could
be
more
clarity
and
the
the
commission's
recommendations
for
what
happens
in
the
event
of
a
event.
B
A
Protest
would
be
helpful
and
I
was
going
to
hope
that
dan
and
scott,
who
did
such
a
great
job
on
the
code
revisions,
would
allow
me
to
work
with
them
on
on
that,
because
I
think
that's
an
interesting
part
for
that
subcommittee
to
to
take
a
look
at
bill.
D
Can
I
ask
you
a
question
about
that
of
course.
Of
course,
state
also
has
the
state
board
of
contract
appeals,
and
I
don't.
A
A
No,
that's
that's!
That
is
absolutely
right.
That's
absolutely
right,
and
so
the
question
is
whether
one
holds
up
or
not,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
there
are
some
policy
reasons
why
procuring
agencies
and
parties
who
have
been
recommended
for
award
want
to
just
move
forward
with
a
contract.
Of
course,
protesters
don't
want
that
to
occur,
but
you're.
A
Absolutely
right,
then
that
does
the
board
of
content
appeals
is,
is
there
and
has
exclusive
just
original
jurisdiction
for
for
state
state
bid
protests
so
how
all
that
works
and
how
it
might
work
or
not
work
in
the
county.
Anyway,
someone
asked
if
we
could
take
a
look
at
that
and
I
think
it's
a
worthwhile
thing
to
do
and
then
just
to
round
out
and
then
that's.
I
guess
that
same
field
of
thought.
Then
we've
got
requests
about
debriefings
and
complaints
about
procurement
process
and
the
like.
A
So
looking
at
all
that
the
the
the
sort
of
post
selection,
but
not
quite
contract,
award,
what
what
happens
there
and
we'll
tighten
that
up
and
then
last
and
certainly,
not
least,
in
our
next
steps.
We
had
joint
cooperative
purchases
with
purchases
with
other
jurisdictions.
A
Intergovernmental
cooperative
purchasing
agreements,
so-called
piggyback
arrangements,
coordination
with
other
agencies
and
governmental
entities,
and
so
that's
another
another
piece
and
I
think
a
subcommittee
would
would
work
there,
and
so
a
new
subcommittee
worked
there
and
then
we
had
some.
There
would
have
been
some
recommendations
that
it
had
been
made
that
we
did
not
have
consensus
on
at
the
time.
The
interim
report
and
several
of
those
came
out
of
the
mbe
wb
small
business
subcommittee,
and
we
need
to
get
our
arms
around
that.
A
One
of
those
may
require
some
legal
research,
some
other
another.
Maybe
prompt
payment
provisions
may
be
a
logistical
issue,
but
as
a
commissioner
we
said
we
would
revisit
those,
and
we
will
do
that.
Yes,
then,.
D
On
the
intergovernmental,
if
it's
possible,
could
we
add
something
to
require
coordination
with
the
baltimore
county
public
school
system,
which
you
know
consumes
half
from
the
taxpayer
point
of
view?
Half
the
dollars
we
give
to
the
county
goes
to
the
schools.
As
far
as
I
can
tell
they
operate
their
own
procurement.
D
I
don't
know
the
extent,
there's
coordination
or
overlap,
or
even
what
tools
are
available
to
the
county
council
like
the
councilman
catch
or
the
county
executive.
To
say,
if
you
want
this
money,
there's
strings
attached.
Just
like
federal
government
gives
money
to
the
state
with
strings
attached
about
certain
things.
I
don't
know
if
anything
is
possible
there,
but
they
they
kind
of
operate
in
their
own
sphere.
We
saw
some
of
the
challenges
when
they
they
had
the
cyber
security
attack
there
and
they
kind
of
seem
to
go
their
own
way.
D
E
Yeah
dan,
you
would
need
to
change
state
law.
As
a
council,
we
are
not
permitted
to
attach
strings
to
an
appropriation
with
the
board
of
education
and
I
do
unders
I
I
know
that
we
do
some
buying
with
them
of
certain
items,
but
you
know
during
the
past
session
there
were
a
couple
bills
in
the
general
assembly
that
would
have
given
the
council
and
county
executive
more
say
over
what
happens
to
the
money
that
goes
to
the
school
system.
E
Now
we
could
talk
about
it
another
time,
but
there
are
some
real
problems
and,
as
you
said,
the
they
came
out
over
the
last
three
four
months
with
the
cyber
incident
and
over
the
past
couple
years.
There
was,
you
know
our
superintendent
went
to
jail
and
etc,
and-
and
I
know
that
I
and
others
on
it-
on
the
council.
F
E
E
E
Don't
know
if
the
committee
commission
would
be
willing
or
to
take
a
look
at
this
and
possibly
make
some
legislative
suggestions
that
the
county
pursue
certain
pieces
of
legislation
on
the
state
level.
E
I
think
that
might
not
be
a
bad
idea
at
all,
because
we
just
this
commission,
we
need,
we
need
to
operate
in
such
a
fashion
that
we're
going
to
get
the
best
price
for
what
we
buy
and
well
funny
how
I
get.
I
would
like
the
commission
to
think
about
that.
The
possibility
of
supporting
some
kind
of
legislation.
C
Thank
you.
I
was
reminded
in
looking
over
the
minutes
that
one
of
the
other
things
that
we
talked
about
studying
was
the
issue
of
owner-controlled
insurance
programs
and
how
that
could
be
problematic
for
businesses
and
contractors.
A
A
Listed
in
the
report,
thank
you
well,
I
I
think
going
back
to
to
dan's
to
dan's
comments.
It
is,
I
think,
we've
gotten
some
of
the
answer
from
from
councilman
koch,
and
that
is
to
the
extent
that
there's
state
law
that
plays
a
somewhat
preventative
role.
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
to
gather
the
information.
I
don't
know
whether
this
commission
is
going
to
be.
A
I
don't
know
if
we
can
solve
the
problem,
but
I
think
we
can
certainly
point
out
that
as
dan
notes
that
there's
a
lot
of
money,
that's
spent
on
on
schools
and
that
again,
if
the
commission
agrees
that
it's
ripe
for
a
deeper,
a
deeper
look
and
potential
change
in
legislation,
so
we
could
certainly
we
can
certainly
look
at
making
that
kind
of
recommendation.
I
think
I
don't
know
that
we
can
solve
the
problem
otherwise,
but.
A
E
Yeah,
mr
chair
you're,
not
gonna,
have
much
problems,
taking
a
look
at
the
education
budget
that
the
council
gets
it's
13
pages
prescribed
by
state
law,
it's
13
numbers
and
each
under
each
number
is
what
the
money
can
be,
how
it
can
be
spent
on
what,
but
we
have
no
role
into
how
it's
spent.
That
guidance
is
simply
for
the
board
of
education.
So
it's
13
pages
and
all
these
things
the
money
can
be
spent
on,
that's
it.
That
is
it
so
all.
A
A
A
In
terms
of
new
subcommittees,
it
seems
to
me
that.
A
It
would
make
sense
to
have
one
for
best
practices,
one
for
this
post-selection
process
to
handle
the
the
fifth
and
last
stage.
If
you
will
procurement.
G
A
Construction
set
out
for
itself
in
the
interim
report
a
number
of
things
that
it
intends
to
look
at
sustainability
again.
Our
next
speaker
is
gonna
talk
to
us
about
sustainability
and
there
may
be
maybe
some
additional
things
we'll
want
to
say
about
that.
A
A
Is
a
lot
more
for
that
subcommittee
to
do
and
with
respect
to
to
mbe,
there
are
a
lot
of
good
substantive
recommendations
that
we
made
as
a
commission.
Thanks
to
the
work
of
the
subcommittee,
we've
got
a
couple
of
issues
that
need
to
be
resolved,
that'll
sort
of
left
over.
If
you
will
pre-interim
report,
I
guess
the
next
question
is
whether
that
subcommittee
wants
to
hear
further
from
dr
ramsey
or
whether
the
and
or
whether
the
commission
would
like
to
hear
further
from
dr
ramsey.
I
understand
her.
A
Her
contract
scope
for
contract
will
allow
for
further
further
conversations
with
this,
the
entire
commission
or
a
subcommittee,
and
I
don't
know
if
we're
prepared.
A
A
Stun
stunned
silence
stunned
silence,
okay,
well
on
the
on
the.
A
So
if
we
were
to
add
a
best
practices
committee-
oh
and
I
guess
the
other
thing
is
in
terms
of
the
let's
go
back,
the
the
the
first
part
of
the
interim
report
in
terms
of
the
subcommittee
reports
was
the
the
purchasing
office
and
again
extensive
extensive
recommendations
made.
I
think
I
think
what
I
will
do
is
the
heads
of
these
of
the
current
comm
subcommittees.
I
would
ask
that
they
survey
their
members.
A
Take
a
look
at
their
notes
and
let
the
rest
of
us
know
what
other
things
they
think
might
need
to
be
done,
and
I
would
ask
commissioner
chambers
if
she
wouldn't
mind,
taking
a
particular
look
at
having
that
we
need
dr
ramsey
to
come
back
well.
He'd
like
at
least
anything
he'd
like
to
come
back
and
specifically
address
with
the
subcommittee
and
I'll
ask
the
rest
of
the
commissioners
who
are
on
that
subcommittee.
A
If
they'd
like
to
ever
come
back
to
address
the
entire
commission,
but
I'd
ask
each
subcommittee
chair
to
sort
of
assess
what
they've
done,
what
else
they
might
want
to
look
at?
Who
else
they
might
want
to
hear
from
from
the
county
and
or
from
any
other
of
the
internal
stakeholders
so
again
get
that
scheduled
earlier,
rather
than
either
earlier,
rather
than
later
I'll
send
around
a
list
of
this
couple
subcommittees
I
mentioned
and
ask
for
volunteers
or
encourage
certain
commissioners
to
to
be
on
a
subcommittee
and
our
our
newest
commissioner.
A
If
any
of
those
sound
of
particular
interest
to
you,
that
would
be
great.
We
can
get
you
signed
up
for
that,
so
I'll
circulate
those.
Let's
get
those
populated
within
the
next
week
or
so,
and
we
can,
I
think,
it'd
be
I'll.
Put
this
in
an
email.
I
think
it'd
be
helpful.
If,
if
people
could
respond
to
me
and
tell
me
what
else
they
think
needs
to
be
done
well,
then
we'll
get
an
outline
and
we'll
share
with
everybody
in
terms
of
subcommittee
work
is
that.
A
A
Well,
I'm
actually
on
b,
which
is
with
respect
to
county
personnel,
talked
about
dr
rams,
already
efficiency
assessment
consultant,
any
other
internal
stakeholder
resources
again.
Next.
Anybody
has
anything
on
their
mind
right
this
moment
as
to
what
else
we
might
need
from
any
of
those
sources
or
resources.
Yes,
commissioner,
plackey.
H
Yeah,
it
seems
to
me
some
of
our
recommendations
and
really
got
stuck
with
whether
or
not
it's
a
you
know
it's
legal
and
I
wonder
if
we
could
get
help
from
one
of
the
county
attorneys
or
something
that
that
reviews
these
contracts
has
a
good
feel
for
what
you
know
where
we
are,
because
I
don't
want
to
see
us
waste
a
lot
of
time
on
something
that
we
know
is
not.
It
can't
happen
anyway,
because
you
know
right
now:
it's
not
there's
no
legal
process
for
it.
I
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
it
might
make
sense
to
put
a
request
like
a
formal-ish
request
from
the
commission
in
writing.
H
It's
so
clear.
One
of
the
issues
we
just
talked
about
earlier
was
the
issue
with
the
bid
protest.
I
think
that
I
would
think
that
would
be
fairly
well
defined
already
in
in
the
purchasing
and
in
the
contracts.
H
So
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
a
lot,
we
have
to
do
with
that,
because
most
agencies
have
a
whole
process
for
a
big
protest.
The
state-
and
I'm
maybe
steve,
would
know
better
than
I
because
you
know,
department
of
public
works
has
their
process
for
big
protests.
G
Yes,
the
process
is
well
defined
and
has
been
tested
numerous
times.
So
there
are
some
documents
which
document
that
I
don't.
I
don't
recall
whether
they're
part
of
the
purchasing
manual
or
just
sort
of
part
of
documented
practice,
at
least
from
the
public
works
side,
but
I
knew
law
was
involved
in
all
those
activities,
so
I'm
sure
that
can
be
pulled
out
and
distributed
to
the
commission
members.
I
A
F
A
Sort
of
the
gray
areas,
and
then
the
other
part,
is
this
question
of
regarding
process
and
and
steve.
I
don't
doubt
you
at
all
on
the
dpw
piece.
I
think,
though,
when
you're
outside
the
public
works
arena,
it
may
not
be
quite
as
clear
so,
but
that
that's
that's!
That
inquiry
is,
I
think,
to
susan
dubin.
Just
you
know
what
what
are
the?
What
are
the
standards?
What
happens
when
there's
a
protest
and
what's
the
effect
on
the
contracting
process?
Does
it
slow
it
down?
A
Do
you
wait
what
occurs
and
what
is
it?
What
is
the
standard
and
if
there's
no
stated
standard
by
which
a
protest
is
judged,
what
if
any
risk
does
that
put
the
county
at
for
having
for
having
a
non-meaningful
process?
A
Say
pete
and
anyone
else
who
would
like
if
you
draft
up
the
legal
issue
and
then
we'll
we'll
get
it
get
it
teed
up,
have
the
commission
review
it
or
them
and
then
we'll
send
it
off
formally,
as
as
elizabeth
suggests,
and
I've
made
a
note
here
that
we
ought
to
let's
get
the
the
dpw
piece
and
then
the
non-dpw
piece
for
the
protest.
C
A
C
I
agree
just
because
we
have
a
process
doesn't
mean
that
that
it
meets
our
current
expectations
in
terms
of
trans
transparency
and
equity,
etc.
One
of
the
non-uh
procurement
per
se,
issues
that
came
up
in
our
discussion
and
I'll
forward.
This.
In
with
other
comments
I
might
have,
is
the
law
office
looking
at?
C
What's
how
to
move
the
utilities
to
require
minority
business,
women
enterprises
as
part
of
the
contracting
and
at
the
time
sue
dubin
said
that
the
law
office
would
need
to
confirm
whether
it
should
be
an
mou,
a
contract
or
executive
order.
What.
A
The
efficiency
assessment,
our
last
our
last
meeting.
J
A
Heard
from
one
of
the
folks
running
that,
and
as
I
understand
it,
elizabeth
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
please
the
final
report
of
the
efficiency
assessment.
Folks,
I
think,
is
in
august
due
in
august.
Am
I
right
about
that?
Roughly.
I
A
Because
there
may
be
some
overlap,
I'm
thinking
about
fleet
management-
and
I
expect
they'll-
have
some
comments
about
about
process
purchasing
process,
although
I
don't
know
if
their
diaries
as
deep
as
what
we're
doing,
but
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
the
extent
before
their
final
report
is
issued
to
the
extent
we
can
have
a
look,
or
at
least
a
sense
of
where
they
are
on
that,
because
I'm
again,
I
don't
want
to
leave
sorting
out
fleet
management,
which
I
think
is
in
the
executive
order.
A
I
So
I
think
the
timing
once
again
should
work
because
they
are
providing
their
next
set
of
recommendations
this
month.
The
ce
will
review
them
on
june
29th,
so
we
should
have.
I
have
not
seen
any
recommendations
to
date-
around
fleet
management,
for
example,
but
I
do
expect
it
will
come
through
in
this
next
iteration.
I
So
that
would
leave
sometime
in
july,
perhaps
for
this
group
to
see
those
recommendations
as
well
as
some
thinking
in
my
head,
which
ones
also
overlap
with
commission,
but
we
can
do
a
little
crosswalking
of
that
and
would
think
sharing
with
this
commission
sometime
in
july
would
make
sense.
A
F
A
So
then
the
other
and
then
the
other
part
before
we
leave
agenda
item
two
to
be
is
just
the
whole
additional
internal
stakeholder
resources,
like
I
think,
we've
already
talked
about
that
which
is
if
the
subcommittee
shares
would
go
back.
Look
at
their
notes,
look
at
the
interim
report
and
see
if
there's
any
other
anything
else
we
need.
I
think
peta
and
others
have
already
identified
things
we're
maybe
from
the
county
law
office,
but
anything
else,
any
other
data.
A
I
know
I
know
scott
had
had
a
number
of
questions
just
get
some
statistics,
some
data
about
about
mba
and
some
other
things.
I
don't
know
if
those
have
been
answered
to
your
satisfaction
yet
or
the
subcommittee
satisfaction.
But
if
again
I
would
just
ask
everybody
to
go
reassess,
so
we
can
line
up
what
we
need
and
then
we
can
get
it
scheduled
and
and
get
it
in
here.
Any
anything
else
on
the
on
the
follow-up
with
one
of
them
follow
up
county
information
resources
or
shall
we
move
to
the
next
item?
G
A
G
So
when
we
had
our
some
of
our
subcommittee
meetings
before
we
reached
out
to
some
staff
members
within
public
works
to
have
some
discussions
yeah,
I
got
that
approved
through
their
director.
We're
going
to
need
that
again
as
well
as
somebody
from
law.
Should
I
be
in
that
that
was
approved
before.
Should
I
go
through
official
channels
again
and
ask
or
just
reach
out
to
that
that
person
directly
since
it
was
approved
previously,
assuming
they
can
sit
in
one
of
our
meetings
again
in
the
future?
I'm
assuming
that's
the
case.
G
Very
good
same
thing
with
the
law
office:
I
think
we're
going
to
need
sue
dubin
in
one
of
our
meetings
as
well
to
just
have
a
conversation
about
the
construction
contract.
So
I
I'll
email,
you
phil,
that
just
I
guess,
you'll
send
something
officially
through
the
law
office
just
for
again
yeah.
I
G
I
D
F
A
I
said
I
would
survey
the
survey
the
commission
to
see
what
I
could
find
out
about
people's
willingness
to
meet
in
person,
and
I've
heard
from
there
are
eight
of
us
who
have
responded,
all
of
whom
are
fully
vaccinated
and
like
willing
to
meet
in
person
assuming
appropriately
sized
and
ventilated
room
and
assuming
everybody
is,
is,
is
vaccinated
or,
if
not
vaccinated
masked.
A
Obviously,
I
think
the
june
meeting
will
also
be
virtual,
but
we've
talked
about
before
and
we
can
obviously
revisit
it.
Nothing
is
written
in
stone
yet,
but
we've
talked
about
for
a
the
public
comment
meeting
where,
where
people
are
invited
to
come
and
speak
that
that
be
in
person
and
elizabeth,
that,
I
guess
falls
to
you
to
find
a
large
enough
room
and
we
talked
about
doing
that
in
july.
Yeah
sorry
go
ahead.
I
Next
week,
so
I'm
going
to
look
at
what
the
planning
department
has
a
kind
of
hearing
room
in
their
first
floor.
I'm
not
quite
sure
it's
big
enough
for
the
commission
members
to
sit
comfortably,
although
it's
otherwise
a
good,
a
good
room
for
kind
of
testimony,
and
then
I
have
some
other
ideas
to
call
around
in
the
towson
area,
so
we're
prepared
to
figure
it
out.
B
I
Yeah,
no,
we
we
can
look
at
all
kinds
of
options.
I
I
actually
I
don't
know
what
bcps
is
doing
with
their
facilities
and
public
use.
That's
all
covered,
unfortunately
covert
related.
But
as
we
come
out
of
this,
I'm
sure
we
could.
We
could
ask.
I
was
going
to
ask
towson
university
too,
but
I
just
did
want
to
get
a
sense.
You
know
you
got
if
each
if
you
want
to
be
six
feet
apart
sitting
where
you're
sitting
that's
one
up.
That
dictates
one
approach.
J
H
I
Because,
honestly,
one
other
easy
option.
Potentially,
if
anyone
well
the
councilman
knows
this
courthouse
is
there's
a
there's,
a
historic
courtroom
at
the
courthouse
which
is
sort
of
interesting,
no
technology
that
I'm
aware
of,
but
it
it
is
a
big
space
and
it's
quite
appropriate.
So
that's
a
fallback,
but
at
least
it
gives
me
some
idea
that
that
could
work
from
a
comfort
perspective.
I'm
going
to
look
into
this
next
week
as
an
on-site
matter
and
can
report
back
to
you
next
week,
phil.
Whenever.
C
I've
been
sitting
in
on
the
redistricting
commission
hearings
over
the
last
week
or
so,
and
they've
stayed
virtual
and
they
that
has
some
advantages
for
people
who
want
to
testify.
They
don't
have
to
drive
anywhere.
They
don't
have
to
worry
about
parking
or
finding
the
place.
C
C
So
I'm
anxious
to
meet
you
all
in
person,
but
I
don't
know
that
we're
really
doing
a
service
to
people
who
might
want
to
testify
by
calling
this
meeting
the
hearing
meeting
in
person
I'll
just
throw
that
out.
There.
F
D
Peter
makes
a
good
point,
so
couldn't
yeah
or
maybe
you
could
do
it
both
in
some
manner.
You
know
we
we
could
be
up
on
the
desk
and
listening
mode.
Those
who
want
to
come
come
and
then
there's
a
big
screen
up
for
those
who
want
to
do
virtual
and
you
just
go
between
the
two.
A
Yeah
sorry,
the
department
of
transportation
notice
I
sent
around
was
obviously
just
just
for
discussion
purposes,
but
they
actually
broke
it
up
into
two.
They
had
one
in
person
and
one
call
in
again.
I
don't.
A
I
know
that
technology
exists
what's
available
in
terms
of
an
ease
for
in
the
county
to
be
able
to
again,
as
I
think
as
dan
suggested,
where
we're
all
together
up
on
a
stage
those
who
would
like
to
come
in
and
address
us
personally
great,
and
then
we
can
look
over
to
our
left
or
right
and
see
a
large
monitor,
and
I
can't
see
it
is
that
doable
or
not.
I
I
don't
know
I
can't
commit
to
that
right
now.
I
mean
we're
literally
just
moving
out
of
virtual
mode
and
we
right
now.
I
do
not
have
confirmation
that
that's
doable
and-
and
I
I
I
can
look
into
it,
but
I
don't
want
to
make
this
overly
complicated.
I
have
to
say
hybrid,
is
what
we're
talking
about.
I'm
thinking
it
out
loud.
We
can.
We
can
inquire,
but
I
don't
know
if
the
council's
done
hybrid
even
have
they
councilman.
I
A
Okay,
well,
if
you,
if
you
could,
if
you
could
find
out-
and
then
I
guess
the
other
alternative
was
to
do
instead
of
saying-
hybrid,
it's
not
hybrid.
At
the
same
time,
one's
in
person
one's
a
call
in
whether
that's
more
but
that's
more
of
a
lift
than
than
is
necessary.
Then
you
know
we
could
stay
with
the
virtual.
I
was
just
responding
at
least
what
I
recall
was
a
an
interest
several
months
back
in
having
it
be
in
person.
C
I
think
having
two
meetings
might
be
overkill
and
a
a
burden
on
everyone.
One
thing
that
seems
to
have
worked
or
is
working
with
the
redistricting
commission
is
these
opportunities
for
people
to
testify:
they're,
not
pictured
they're.
You
know
they
just
get
on
an
audio
link
but
they're
available.
C
If
someone
has
a
question,
the
other
thing
that
seems
to
have
gotten
a
lot
of
response
is
the
email
address
and
for
the
commission
and
actually
soliciting
on
the
county
website,
input
from
the
citizens
using
the
email
address
for
the
commission,
and
so
the
emails
come
into
in
this
case
tom
bostwick.
As
the
secretary
for
the
council
for
for
the
commission,
I
say
I
mean,
and
he
distributes
the
emails
to
all
of
the
commission
members.
C
The
recommendation
last
night's
meeting,
which
bostwick
says
was
doable
and
they
would
implement,
is
to
take
emails
because
they
were
getting
a
lot
of
emails
on
redistricting
and
actually
scan
them
and
post
them
to
the
commission's
site
so
that
they
like
the
public.
Testimony
which
is
video
recorded,
is
available
to
be
viewed
by
the
public,
both
the
verbal
testimony
and
the
written
testimony.
H
Well,
as
far
as
emails
are
concerned,
if
we're
putting
a
survey
out
to
the
entire
county,
there's
there's
a
space
on
there,
where
people
can
give
comments
and
everything.
So
wouldn't
that
be
almost
the
same
thing.
A
A
We'll
just
have
to
see
what
the
response
is,
but
some
people
are
more
comfortable.
I
suppose
these
days
sending
an
email
and
writing
something
down
or
otherwise
responding.
C
We
might
also
be
getting
people
who
are
not
on
the
email
district.
The
survey
email
distribution
list
by
providing
opportunity
for
the
public
to
speak.
G
A
I
think
it
means
commissioner
walsh
doesn't
want
any
in-person
meetings
in
the
commission,
but
that's
okay,
I'm
not
I
for
what
I'm
not
taking
that
personally,
it's
okay,
it's
all
right!
Well,
are
we?
Are
we
back
on
the
virtual
piece?
The
other
thing
I'm
just.
I
have
a
feeling
when
this
is
over.
I
I
don't
know
what
everybody
will
be
saying
about
me
and
that's
fine,
but
I
I
was
harping
on
the
on
the
internal
report,
the
first
six
months
now,
I'm
harping
on
the
on
the
final
report.
A
I
just
think
we
need
to
get
this
input
sooner
rather
than
later,
and
so
I
really
would
like
to
do
it
in
july
and
I
think
everything
is
easier,
although
it
might
not
have
the
humanity
of
it
if
you
will
of
being
in
person,
but
everything
is
easier
if
it's
virtual
and
so
maybe
that's
the
way,
we
ought
to
look
at
it,
and
I
have
to
remember,
too
that
the
county
has
its
own
rules
about
the
coveted
meeting
and
what
everybody
will
do.
A
So
it's
it
sounds
to
me
as
if
we
are
moving
back
to
let's.
Let's
have
this
public
meeting.
Be
be
virtual,
and
you
know
the
audio
call-in
is
certainly
fine,
just
in
terms
of
modes
and
methods,
I'm
assuming
we
will
be
in
listening
mode
happy
to
have
the
comments
as
opposed
to
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
the
other
thing
about
virtual
it
is,
it
is,
you
know,
people
could
be
given
their
time
limits
and
those
can
be
appropriately
monitored.
Let's
put
it
that
way.
A
I
say
this
is
someone
who's
been
monitored
in
public
comment
virtually
so
I
get
it.
Why
don't
we
work
from
that
then,
and.
D
I
think
maybe
elizabeth
can
just
rather
than
us
try
to
dictate
what
it
is.
Maybe
elizabeth
can
find
out
what
the
resources
are
and
we'll
match
to
that.
Go
the
other
way
around
on
it.
I
I
mean
vertical:
is
the
easiest
I'll
be
clear
on
that
because
we've
been
doing
it
for
a
year?
I
personally,
I
think,
had
said
to
phil
early
on,
I
think
in
person
for
people.
I
think
I
thought
this
at
the
time
was
preferable,
but
I've
come
around
to
steve's
view
and
others.
People
are
getting
used
to
these
virtual
settings
and
maybe
we
should
embrace
it
here,
but
we
will
look
into
the
physical
options
just
to
just
to
check
that
box
and
bring
it
back
to
you,
but
not
until
soon,
very
soon
yeah.
A
Okay,
so
because
I
really
would
if
we
whatever,
we
can
find
out
and
know
it
for
our
june
meeting,
because
I'd
love
to
set
a
date
in
at
the
gym
meeting
set
the
july
day
get
the
information
out.
If
that
timetable
seems
to
work,
because
I
really
I'm,
I
really
would
like
to
get
that
information
in
is
that
does
that
work?
Elizabeth
timewise
would
be
able
to.
A
Okay
and
then
the
procurement
survey
jasmine
report
on
that
in
terms
of
timing
and
and
what
we're
thinking
about
in
terms
of
data
analysis.
L
Yes,
so
we've
been
coordinating
with
beth
with
the
internal
public
works
survey,
they're
doing
an
efficiency
survey
for
all
employees,
so
the
internal
portion
of
the
survey
that
you
all
crafted
we
would
we're
going
to
include
it
in
that,
so
that
way
employees
aren't
getting
hit
with
more
than
one
right,
and
so
we
can
get
a
good
response
rate.
We
do
have
a
question.
L
F
A
C
L
L
So
you
all
can
see
it
and
then,
if
it
looks
closer
to
everybody,
we'll
send
it
out,
I
would
like
to
send
it
out
no
later
than
next
friday
and
then
give
folks
about
a
week
or
two
to
complete
it,
and
so
how
it'll
work
is
we
obviously
have
our
internal
list,
but
you
all
also
could
share
there'll,
be
an
email
that
you
all
can
share
to
people
in
your
orbits
and
in
your
circles
for
them
to
complete
it,
and
so
it'll
be
one
survey
for
current
or
former
baltimore
county
vendors
or
contractors
and
another
link
for
those
who
have
not
been
contractors.
I
Yeah
just
to
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
Actually
just
previewing
have
to
jump
off
at
four
for
a
meeting
with
the
county
executive
on
another
topic
that
I
didn't
expect.
So
I
apologize
in
advance
and
if
it's
short
I'll
hop
back
in
so
basically
I
think
that's
jasmine
noted,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
it's.
It
gets
to
the
compilation
so
because
the
efficiency
assessment
was
already
doing
an
internal
workforce
survey.
I
We
embedded
your
questions,
the
ones
you
wrote
that
would
go
to
internal
stakeholders,
we
embedded
it
into
their
survey
format
and
then
they
will
be
doing
the
compilation
of
those
responses
as
part
of
the
responses
that
they
are
asking
other
kinds
of
questions
of
the
workforce.
We
just
didn't
want
employees
to
get
hit
with
two
different
things.
It
would
ruin
really
both
of
them.
That's
what
happened
there,
but
just
be
sure
no
questions
were
changed.
I
They
just
got
put
in
their
format
and
the
good
news
is
the
consultants
will
going
to
do
that
compilation
by
contrast
for
all
the
external
stakeholders.
It
is
solely
on
us,
the
jasmine
and
the
bc
stat
team
to
well
roit
department
to
push
it
out,
not
consultants,
and
then,
when
the
stuff,
when
the
information
comes
in
our
bc,
stat
team
will
do
the
compilation
and
that's
how
we're
doing
it.
It's
probably
less
work
for
us
at
the
county,
because
the
consultants
are
doing
a
piece.
I
A
Right
and
not
and
then
not
to
be
pushy
about
it,
but
with
respect
to
the
efficiency,
assessments,
collection
and
sorting
of
the
of
the
data.
How
soon
do
we
think
we
can
have
that?
I
mean
because
I
wouldn't
want
to
wait
till
the
end
until
their
final
report
is
out,
because
then
we're
maybe
at
the
end
of
august.
I
A
Well,
I
thank
you
for
for
doing
that.
Real,
quick
elizabeth
before
you
before
you
have
to
pop
off
best
practices,
consultants.
I
will
tell
the
rest
of
the
commission.
He
has
done
a
great
job
of
finding
a
number
of
people
who
are
potential
resources
and
elizabeth
and
jasmine,
and
I
were
on
a
call
with
somebody
from
from
fairfax
county,
and
I
know,
there's
been
some
other
work
done.
Is
there
anything
further
elizabeth?
A
You
can
tell
us
about
that,
because
I
really
want
to
get
a
best
practices
person
or
you
know
similar
similar
count,
the
size
county.
That's
doing
a
good
job
of
procurement
in
to
talk
to
us.
I
So
I
think
we're
we
haven't
closed
the
loop
as
much
as
on
the
survey
side.
I'm
thinking
a
panel
would
be
a
good
idea
and
that
kathy,
I
think,
actually
well.
It
was
kathy
news.
The
woman
we
spoke
to
in
northern
virginia
could
definitely
asset
on
a
panel,
but
she
also
recommended
one
of
the
people
that
peta
you
had
consulted
to
then
get
other
names,
and
so
honestly,
some
of
the
people
you
consulted
peta
would
be
best
on
a
panel
more
so
than
their
recommendations.
I
If
that
makes
sense
to
you,
we
can
talk
about
it,
maybe
set
up
a
call
offline
for
anyone,
who's
interested
and
the
names
are
escaping
me.
I
need
to
go
back
to
my
email.
I
think
it
was
the
person
in
anne
arundel,
county
or
montgomery
one
of
the
two
that
kathy
from
virginia
said.
We
should
consult,
and
I
noticed
it
was
somebody
you
had
contacted
initially,
so
I
think
we've
got
five
or
six
four
or
five
people
to
choose
from,
and
we
should
consider
having
a
panel
approach
virtual.
I
I
mean
it's
sounding
like
july
is
going
to
be
two
virtual
meetings
with
external
people,
one
a
public
meeting
and
two
an
expert
meeting,
and
if
we
could
get
all
that
packed
in
in
july,
that
would
that
would
be
a
lot
of
accomplishment.
I
that.
D
Just
stan
I
just
wanna,
I
had
to
get
distracted
for
a
minute.
There
was
something
I
had
to
deal
with,
but
for
the
expert
panel
have
I
brought
up
don
moeller
as
a
person
to
include
if
he
was
a
county
executive
for
eight
months,
he's
been
in
county
government
before
that
for
for
decades
I
don't
know
what
he's
doing
now
or
even
if
he's
in
the
area,
but
I
think
he
could
provide
in
my
experience,
I'm
a
very
solid
guy
and
I
think
he
could
provide
an
interesting
inside
outside
perspective.
A
Well,
I
I
think
I
think
his
I
think
his
I
think
his
name
is
certainly
on
all
this
to
be
considered
again,
it's
up
to
the
entire
commission,
but
I
think
the
idea
would
be.
A
A
And
maybe
the
former
ce's
perspective
would
be
helpful
at
some
other
point
in
time,
but
I'm
what
I'm
interested-
and
I
think
what
the
commission's
interested
in,
but
people
should
please
speak
up-
is
the
the
person
in
fairfax
when
she's
very
knowledgeable
about
this
and
she's
talking
about
the
things
they
have
done.
There,
things
that
have
been
done
elsewhere,
montgomery
county
anne
arundel
county
a
little
more
forward
a
little
more
forward-looking.
B
A
D
D
A
D
F
A
And
so
before
we
leave
items
to
see
anything
else,
additional
sources,
experts,
anybody
else
dan
we
got
we
have.
We
have
mr
mueller
any
other
suggestions
and
again,
if
anybody
has
anything
just
email
me
or
email,
elizabeth
or
jasmine.
A
So
if
it's
our
everybody
we'll
move
on
to
2d,
which
is
what
I'm
calling
commission
scheduling,
I
we
know
what
our
june
meeting
is
going
to
be
july.
We're
going
to
have
the
best
practices
panel,
we'll
have
our
we'll
have
our
public
input
meeting
in
terms
of
scheduling
thereafter
are
people.
A
I
remember
a
long
time
ago,
two
years
ago
and
before
that,
when
august
meant
people
went
on
vacation,
I'm
not
sure
what
people's
plans
are
this
year,
I
my
view
would
be.
We
ought
to
have
at
least
one
meeting
in
august,
and
maybe
we
need
to-
I
don't
know,
but
I'm
interested
to
know
if
that's
if
there's
will
be
a
revolt,
if
that's,
if
that's
suggested,
just
trying
to
get
some
ideas,
people's
thoughts
and
plans
for
the
rest
of
the
summer.
A
J
K
Feeling
I'm
gonna
be
away
sometime
in
july
and
maybe
a
week
or
a
week
in
august,
I'm
not
sure
the
august
date
yet.
But
I
do
know
the
date
in
july.
C
I'm
going
away
in
early
july,
but
the
rest
is
clear.
I
think,
though
elizabeth
was
also
talking
about
getting
dates
from
us
for
the
july
public
meetings
so
that
they
can
give
invitations.
A
B
So
do
you
want
us
to
to
collect,
because
it
is
summer
months
and
we'll
a
lot
of
us
will
be
traveling
or
away,
perhaps
send
dates
that
we
know
are
really
kind
of
blocked
out
and-
and
you
know,
we're
not
going
to
meet
everybody's
schedule,
but
where
we
have
the
most,
where
we're
likely
to
have
the
the
greatest
participation
so
like.
Like
the
rest
of
my
colleagues,
I've
got
some
dates
in
july
and
some
dates
in
august
that
are
going
to
be
challenged,
understood.
A
Well,
if
everybody
could
send
that
information
into
you
can
do
well
probably
best
to
just
send
it
to
elizabeth
and
jasmine
and
I'll
when
we
finish
here
I'll,
send
it
I'll
just
send
a
reminder:
email,
everybody!
Please
do
that
and
let's
and
then
they
can
pick
some
dates
there,
and
I
just
want
to
be
sure
that
whenever
we
meet
as
a
commission,
we
at
least
have
a
a
quorum
of
course,
but
that
would
be
very
helpful.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
scott
for
that
suggestion
and
then
d2.
A
F
A
Helpful
so
that
I
think,
because
in
the
event
there's
a
little
slippage
and
we
need
some
something
in
early
october-
we
could
address
it
and
get
it
and
then
the
hard
work
of
actually
doing
the
drafting
and
editing
and
the
like,
won't
put
us.
You
know
up
too
tight
against
that
november
30
deadline,
so
that
that's
that's,
that's
the
goal,
if
that
makes
sense,
to
try
to
have
things
wrapped
up
in
terms
of
information
coming
in
by
the
end
of
september,
but
I'm
again
I'm
just
one.
A
A
That
is
all
I
have
on
the
agenda.
Is
there
anything
else
anybody
would
like
to
bring
up
for
the
good
of
the
order,
while
we're
all
together.
J
I
was
looking,
I
sent
a
a
message
to
both
peta
and
scott,
nobody
that
y'all
not
looking
at
the
chat,
but
anyway
I
will
say
no
in
the
there's
a
there's
a
I
need
to
find
out.
Is
there
a
reason?
Why
are
we
being?
J
Are
we
doing
a
high
level
in
the
interim
report
so
for
the
mwbe
and
committee
members
please
chime
in
in
case
I
miss
somebody
there,
the
piece
that
talks
about
the
shelter
program
in
the
disparity
study
recommendation
it
was
mentioned
that
for
contracts
that
are
25,
000
or
lower
could
be
listed
in
a
sheltered
program.
J
B
B
It
was
to
be
included
or
excluded,
but
it's
a
question
since
this
is
an
interim
report
we
probably
now
can
before
we
get
to
the
final
address,
then
okay.
J
Okay
and
then
peter
was,
was
there
a
discussion
in
purchasing
about
increasing
contracts
for
from
25
to
50
without
nbe
goals
on
it,
and
I
asked
because
I
know
in
this
city
when
I
was
there
and
that
was
over
a
decade
ago.
We
made
that
recommendation
and
I
believe
it
was
done
before
I
left,
because
it's
hard
to
put
gold
on
a
25
000
contract,
because
there's
not
a
lot
of
money.
J
So
I
don't
know
if
that
was
a
discussion
in
purchasing
procurement
portion
about
okay
and
then,
and
if
not,
should
we
and
I'm
looking
to
both
peta
and
then
my
mwbe
committee?
Should
we
put
something
in
there
to
talk
about
we're,
increasing
the
threshold
for
goals
and
or
for
a
director
to
be
able
to
do
a
quote
based
off
of
50
versus
25
000
contract?
So
that's
two:
it's
that's
it's.
J
If
the
threshold
is
still
25,
but
can
it
be
increased
to
50
for
director
sign
off
number
one
and
number
two
for
goals
to
to
be
pushed
up
higher,
because
some
people
say
we
shouldn't
put
goals
on
a
contract
until
it's
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
as
an
mbe
person,
I
kind
of
agree,
but
I
also
understand
from
a
procurement
side
that
you
could
probably
do
some
goal
setting
on
a
contract
from
50
to
100
000..
So
I'm
putting
it
out
there
to
to
think
about
nope.
J
C
And
I
would
like
input
from
carla
and
rose
as
well
on
that
you
know
getting
down
to
the
nitty-gritty,
but
good
point.
J
Okay,
so
what
I'll
do
is
send
an
email
to
carla
and
rose
and
ccu
in
our
mbe
committee
and
see
what
they
say.
We.
H
Have
to
remember,
too,
that
there
may
be
some
legal
issues
with
that
too.
I
mean
you
know.
I
don't
know
what
you
know
if
the
dollar
amounts
are
fixed
legally,
you
know,
I
know
they
are
in
the
state.
I
don't
know
how
the
county
has
it
set
up.
As
far
as
you
know,
scott.
J
H
What
I'm
saying,
I
think
we
need
a
little
bit
of
legal
counsel
on
that
as
well
and-
and
I
would
like
to
caution
too
some
of
these
smaller
projects
where
to
try
and
increase
goals.
I've
seen
it
accepted
to
many
contractors
in
the
e
and
otherwise,
when
they're
smaller
contracts,
they're
more
narrowly,
failing
so
to
try
and
increase
the
goal
on
the
very
narrow
tailored
contract
is
darn
near
it's
very,
very
difficult
so
and
unless
you're
a
real
good
person
at
setting
specific
goals
on
specific
projects,
it
becomes
very.
A
A
Great,
if
you
guys,
follow
up
and
then
again
we'll
collect
the
legal
questions
to
tee
up
and
get
those
out
and
get
them
answered.
J
A
That
makes
sense
unless
and
I'll
talk
to
elizabeth,
whether
it
needs
to
be
something
that
comes
from
me
on
behalf
of
the
commission,
but
just
let's,
let's
have
elizabeth
and
jasmine
collect
them
and
then
we'll
figure
out
the
right
vehicle.
I
I
just
want
to
do
what's
going
to
be
the
answers,
but.
J
E
You
know
if
you've
kind
of
just
hit
me
with
it.
I
I
don't
really
know
how
to
answer
that.
I'm
sorry,
I
just
can't
this
time,
but
one
of
the
things
I.
B
E
Is
you
know,
talk
to
some
of
them
and
see
what
kind
of
reaction
we
get
to
do
that,
so
I
I
have
no
idea.
F
E
A
We'll
see
each
other
on
june,
28th
I'll,
send
an
email
tonight,
just
reminding
everybody
to
please
send
their
avoid
dates,
if
you
will,
for
july
and
august
in
terms
of
meetings
of
the
commission
and
then
elizabeth
and
jasmine
can
help
us
schedule
from
there
and
I'll.
Also,
probably
over
the
weekend,
send
a
list
of
some
suggested
subcommittees
and
ask
for
volunteers,
and
I
think
we
are
otherwise
ready
to
adjourn
again
one
last
time
for
the
good
of
the
order.
Anything
okay.
Well,
thank
you
all
very
much
pleasure.
A
As
always,
and
we'll
see
you
soon.
Thank.