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A
Well,
I
will
welcome
everyone,
it's
good
to
see.
All
of
you.
Thank
you
for
being
available
on
a
monday
off
before
we
started.
There
was
a
question
about
it.
Are
we
switching
to
mondays?
The
answer
is
no,
but
the
last
thursday
this
month
was
a
scheduling
problem
and
our
presenter
was
available
today.
A
So
we
thought
so
we
could
get
the
second
meeting
in
june
that
we
would
take
advantage
of
being
able
to
do
that,
and
I
appreciate
everyone
making
their
schedules
available.
So
we
could.
We
could
go
ahead
today
so
again.
Welcome
the
first
item
of
business
would
be
the
approval
of
the
june
10
meeting
minutes
they
have
been
distributed.
A
A
Minutes
are
approved
and
we
can
move
to
our
speaker,
who
is
the
county's
new
chief
sustainability
officer
and
elizabeth
jasmine?
Do
you
want
to
do
a
better
introduction
that
than
I
am
capable
of
doing
other
than
say
it's
great,
to
have
her
at
the
county
and
in
front
of
the
commission,
but
perhaps
one
of
you
would
like
to
add
a
little
bit
to
that.
Thank
you.
C
Well,
I
I
apologize
in
advance
jen
because
I
didn't
prepare
a
proper
bio,
but
I
will
preface
by
saying
that
jen
has
experience
in
the
non-government
setting
and-
and
I
think,
we'll
be
able
to
share
with
the
county
and
with
this
group
a
perspective
that
we
we
definitely
need
for
our
work
overall
and
particularly
for
this
group,
we
were
able
to
share
with
her
all
of
the
material,
even
that
which
wasn't
included
in
the
com
interim
report.
C
So
she
has
had
a
chance
to
please
read
up
on
all
of
the
ideas
that
have
been
generated.
Jen,
I'm
going
to
impose
on
you
to
share
your
bio,
a
little
better
because
I
admit
diddly
was
unprepared.
So
thank
you
for
joining
us
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
you.
B
Thank
you,
elizabeth
yeah,
I'm
very
happy
to
be
here,
I'm
still
under
two
months
with
the
county,
so
I
am
still
officially
a
newbie,
but,
as
elizabeth
said,
I
have
been
working
in
the
environmental
arena
in
maryland.
B
For
most
of
the
last
25
years,
I
have
a
background
as
an
ecologist
with
degrees
from
the
university
of
south
carolina
and
the
university
of
virginia,
and
so
I'm
a
scientist
by
training
and
and
I've
always
sort
of
brought
that
to
the
the
policy
interface.
I
I
see
delegate
moreheim
here.
B
I
don't
know
if
you
remember
me,
but
I
spent
about
12
years
working
with
the
chesapeake
bay
foundation
as
one
of
their
senior
staff
scientists
to
try
to
work
at
the
intersection
of
of
science
and
policy,
with
a
real
focus
on
you
know,
protecting
the
chesapeake
bay,
but
also
protecting
our
environment.
More
broadly
former
mayor
dixon,
my
most
recent
position
before
coming
here
was
as
the
executive
director
of
bluewater
baltimore,
which
works
in
both
baltimore
city
and
baltimore
county
on
issues
of
water,
quality,
climate,
resiliency
and
community
engagement.
B
B
I
will
say
that
a
lot
of
those
a
lot
of
the
actions
and
the
recommendations
are
really
focused
on
reducing
our
energy
use
within
the
county,
finding
energy
efficiencies
in
our
buildings
and
our
assets
and
really
leading
the
way
on
renewable
energy
generation.
B
The
county
has
also
just
recently
completed
work
on
a
solid
waste
plan,
with
a
series
of
recommendations
sort
of
rising
to
the
top
from
this
working
group,
and
just
friday
afternoon
or
friday
morning,
I
was,
I
was
getting
an
in-depth
tour
of
the
eastern
sanitary
landfill
and
our
materials
recovery
facility
in
the
county,
because
I
do
believe
that
waste
management,
waste
diversion
waste
reduction
and
recycling
are
all
going
to
be
key
issues
that
the
county
needs
to
to
weigh
in
on.
B
And
so,
as
I
reviewed
the
the
interim
report
and
the
additional
materials
that
you
all
had
been
considering
in
the
realm
of
sustainability,
I'm
happy
to
say
that
I
think
there's
a
good
bit
of
overlap
in
some
of
the
things
that
you
know.
I've
been
honing
in
on
and
some
of
the
issues
that
you
all
have
have
been
raising,
and
so
really
I
don't
really
have
much
of
a
presentation
today.
What
I
really
wanted
to
do
is
hear
more
about
the
work
that
you
all
are
doing.
B
As
a
commission,
I
do
know
that
there
is
a
sustainability
subcommittee
and
I
would
love
the
opportunity
to
perhaps
meet
with
y'all
at
another
time,
so
we
can
kind
of
delve
into
some
of
the
conversations
that
you
all
have
already
had,
I'm
here
to
learn
about
what
you
all
are
prioritizing
so
that
we
can
make
sure
you
know
we're
integrating
it.
You
know
as
much
as
we
possibly
can
into
some
of
the
existing
plans
and
work
group
recommendations
that
the
county
has
been
pulling
together
just
in
the
past
year
or
so
related
to
sustainability.
B
A
Well,
we
have
a
thank
you.
We
have
a
very
strong
sustainability
subcommittee
led
by
commissioner
morheim
and
I'm
sure
he'll
have
some
some
questions
and
others
will
have
some
questions
as
well
in
our
our
charge
is
to
look
at
how
how
things
might
be
procured
in
a
way
that
is
consistent
with
sustainability
and
green
practices,
and
we
tried
to
be
thorough
in
what
we
could
do
in
the
interim
report.
A
I
don't
know
if
you
had
a
chance
to
look
at
the
rest
of
the
interim
report,
but
we
we
made
a
number
of
recommendations
that
we
felt
we
had
the
we
had
the
the
facts
and
the
evidence
if
you
will
to
to
make
go
ahead,
make
those
recommendations,
but
there
are
some
additional
tweaks
and
some
other
things
to
be
done,
so
your
your
input
would
be
welcome
dan.
Did
you
or
others
on
on
that
sustainability
subcommittee?
Would
you
like
to
you?
A
Have
any
questions
in
particular
for
for
jen
or
others
have
questions?
Mr
dixon,
I
saw
your
hit.
You
had
your
hand
up.
A
E
The
internet's
been
shaky
in
the
neighborhood
lately
for
some
reason,
comcast,
so
jen.
Thank
you
for
joining
baltimore
county.
I
definitely
do
remember
you
from
legislature,
so
I'm
glad
you're
here
welcome,
congratulations
and
I
think
you've
got
your
hands
full.
I
think
the
third
member
of
our
sustainability
committee
was
mayor,
dixon
me
and
carlin
nelson
taylor
and
so
she's.
I
don't
see
her
on
this
call,
but
she
had
a
lot
of
very
good
points
to
make
as
well.
E
I
think
the
summary
from
our
point
of
view
would
be
a
couple
of
things.
One
is
just
how
do
we
be
green
in
everything
I
mean,
that
goes
a
little
bit
beyond
just
the
procurement,
but
how
do
we
we
do
it
from
beginning
middle
and
end?
There
is
a
saying
that
comes
from
bill.
Mcdonough,
which
is
regulation,
is
a
sign
of
design
failure,
and
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
thought
that
one
through,
but
it
really
says,
is
why
are
we
allowing
you
know?
E
E
So
we
have
to
do
all
we
can
and
I
think,
being
green
in
in
all
things
is
the
way
to
go.
I
would
just
ask
a
couple
of
thoughts.
I
keep
bringing
this
one
up
all
the
time,
but
I
know
it's
limited,
but
half
the
money
of
the
county
goes
to
the
schools
and
the
schools
do
whatever
they
do.
I
hope
that
at
some
point,
you'll
have
a
chance
to
reach
out
to
the
schools.
E
Schools
have
flat
roofs
generally
they're,
not
more
than
three
stories
tall,
so
they're,
very
accessible,
they're
not
occupied
all
the
time
so
and
it'd
be
good
learning
experience
for
the
students.
So
if
there's
things
that
you
can
reach
out
into
that
and
maybe
coordinate
with
senator
west
on
his
initiative,
I
don't
think
it
passed
this
session,
but
it
was
partly
because
of
all
the
problems
that
were
going
on,
but
that
would
be
something
to
do.
The
the
main
focus
that
we
did
in
the
subcity
was
we.
E
E
But
if
you
go
through
the
recommendations
we
made,
the
the
code
is
really
out
of
date
in
almost
every
respect
regarding
to
sustainability,
and
so
it's
been
county
executive
executive
orders
that
have
moved
it
forward,
but
those
are
only
as
don't
really
set
policy
and
they're
not
really
as
good
as
changing
the
actual
code
and
the
statute
and
involving
the
legislative
and
other
process
so
certainly
and
richard
keller,
and
was
very
helpful
in
providing
most
of
the
language
of
what
a
rewritten
code
would
look
like,
and
I
hope
you
get
a
chance
to
review
that,
and
that
is
something
that
gets
submitted,
whether
it
comes
from
from
you
or
from
the
county
executive
and
obviously
there'll
be
specimens
along
the
way.
E
So
I
think
that's
pretty
much.
I
wanted
to
throw
out
one
other
concept:
that's
not
really
procurement
full
disclosure.
I
I
help
with
this
project
a
little
bit,
but
this
is
called
you
know.
One
of
the
challenges
is,
how
do
you
sustain
open
green
space
without
developing
it,
and
there
is
a
concept
which
is
around
the
united
states
and
there
are
a
couple
in
maryland:
coming
up
called
natural
burial
sites,
and
so
there's
one
montgomery
county.
That's
going
to
be
opening
soon.
E
If
someone
got
a
huge
amount
of
land-
and
you
know
they
have
to
get
income
in
order
to
pay
taxes
and
insurance,
and
you
know
security
whatever,
and
so
if
you've
have
been
and
there's
natural
burial
sites
in
pennsylvania
and
south
carolina,
that's
where
the
first
one
started
and
I've
toured
them
and,
as
you
know,
I've
written
a
book
about
end
of
life,
actually
two
books
about
end
of
life
care.
E
So
this
is
how
I
got
interested
in
this
topic
and
when
you
walk
around,
it's
there's
a
chapel,
but
it
looks
like
a
park
and
so
and
it's
much
less
expensive
for
those
who
want
than
the
standard
burial
method
so
that
sustains
the
the
property
financially
but
keeps
it
in
a
natural
state
and
there's
an
application
for
one.
That's
in
for
in
county
executive
county
council
chair
julian
jones's
district
sort
of
in
woodlawn
dogwood
granite
area,
the
community's
been
for
it.
E
The
group
that's
involved
in
this
has
worked
through
a
lot
of
process.
It's
kind
of
hung
up
for
some
reason
that
I
can't
understand,
or
others
I
mean
with
the
hydrology
from
what
I've
read.
It
makes
no
sense
and
the
county's
hanging
this
up
and
I
hope
that's
something
that
they
will
be
able
to
figure
out,
but
it
actually
is
a
very
creative
way
of
keeping
land
green
and
having
jenner,
having
generate
having
to
generate
enough
financial
resources
to
be
manageable.
E
And
so
it's
not
exactly
in
our
domain,
but
take
this
opportunity
to
share
the
idea
with
everybody.
So
that's
I
think
we're
at.
We
look
forward
to
working
with
you,
but
I
think
the
overall
concept
is.
We
got
to
be
green
in
everything,
from
beginning
middle
and
end
of
and
the
product
life
of
everything
and
where
it
goes,
I
did
the
electronic
recycling
bill,
as
you
may
remember,
and
started
that
whole
program,
which
has
kept
millions
of
tons
of
toxics
out
of
the
environment,
and
we
did
it
creatively.
E
We
made
the
computer
manufacturers
pay
for
our
program,
so
we
didn't
hit
taxpayers
for
them
as
a
marginal.
You
know
two
cents
item
cost
and
it
was
a
model
that
was
copied
throughout
the
united
states.
So
there
are
creative
ways
to
deal
with
things.
Those
are
two
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
I'll
hand
it
over
to
the
other
members
of
the
member
of
the
subcommittee
mayor,
dixon,
and
we
first
met
and
karla
nelson
chambers.
I
see
is
now
on
the
call.
E
We
had
other
ideas
that
were
not
really
procurement
and
they're
in
an
addendum
and
I'll.
Try
if
you
could
put
in
the
chat
your
email
or
have
elizabeth,
sacks
and
or
jasmine
clement,
send
us
your
email
and
I'll.
Send
you
those
there
are
other
good
ideas
that
people
came
up
with.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
talk
about
this
and
I'll.
Ask
the
other
members
if
they
want
to
add
anything
or
anything.
D
Thanks
thanks
dan
and
welcome
to
bulma
county
very
familiar
with
one
of
the
organizations
that
you've
worked
with
they're
very
active
in
my
neighborhood,
with
getting
people
to
change
how
they
dealt
with
the
rain
sprouts.
I
think
I
don't
know
the
technical
term
but
to
use
that
drainage,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
made
a
recommendation
that
I
added
into
the
subcommittee
was
about
creating
a
potential
environmental
commission,
and
I
know
bulma
county
doesn't
have
commissions
like
bulma
city,
it's
it's,
it's
a
board
made
up
of
community
business,
etc.
D
That
really
helps
to
monitor,
come
up
with
concepts
as
well
as
work
with
the
sustainability
department
and
would
love
to
get
your
input
on
what
you
feel
about.
Potentially
having
that
created.
I
was
created
by
legislation
at
the
time
for
on
the
city
council,
so
that
was
the
only
thing
I
would.
A
Add
and
commissioner
chambers
did
you
do
a
loser?
Oh
there
she
is
hey
there.
Did
you
want
to
anything
as
a
member
of
the
sustainability
subcommittee.
F
I
just
got
on
so
I'm
sure
dan
covered
whatever
I
was
talking
about
other
than
dan
did
you
talk
about?
I
know
when
this
isn't
for
procurement,
but
just
in
reference
to
the
eco
districts,
did
you
say
anything
to
her
about
that.
F
Well,
just
just
quickly
as
it
relates
to
there's
an
organization
called
eco
districts
and
they
help
communities
worldwide,
formulate
a
roadmap
as
to
how
a
a
community,
a
a
municipality
or
even
a
business.
A
large
business
can
become
sustainable,
and
I
learned
about
it
when
I
did
some
work
at
hartford
jackson,
hartford,
atlanta's
airport.
Basically,
the
entire
44
000
plus
acres
is
a
is
a
sustainable
community
and
it's
not
so
much
from
procurement.
F
But
since
you
are
sustainability
as
we
as
you
move
forward,
it's
something
that
the
county
can
look
at
to
offer
to
ne
to
communities.
Neighborhoods
different
things
like
that.
That
want
to
do
an
eco
district
and
learn
about
how
to
be
more
sustainable-
and
I
I
can
share
that
later.
So
it
doesn't
deal
with
procurement.
F
What
we're
dealing
with,
but
in
your
new
role,
maybe
that's
something
you
can
look
at
and
and
and
mayor
dixon's,
cleaner,
greener
campaign
when
she
was
with
the
city,
because
there
were
a
lot
of
things
that
she
introduced
with
her
team
about
how
the
city
can
be
more
sustainable
just
in
general.
So
that's
it.
B
I
appreciate
that
input
from
from
all
three
of
you.
I
will
say
that
I
am
meeting
with
my
counterpart
from
the
city,
their
sustainability
director
this
friday,
because
as
a
city
resident,
I
know
that
there
have
been
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
undertakings
that
have
really
sort
of
moved
the
needle,
and
so
I'm
interested
in
learning.
B
How
other
jurisdictions
have
approached
these
issues,
and
I
would
be
you
know,
happy
to
receive
any
information
on
these
kinds
of
projects,
because
there's
no
point
in
recreating
the
wheel,
and
so
I'm
happy
to
share
my
email
address
or
jasmine
can
share
it
with
you
all.
As
part
of
the
the
notes
from
this
meeting.
E
I
just
want
to
add
one
other
thing.
You
know
for
my
other
career
as
an
er
doctor
for
40-something
years
in
the
city
in
the
county,
there's
always
a
health
impact
and
a
lot
of
what
what
I
would
say
in
the
immediate
asthma
attacks
and
allergies
and
other
things,
not
necessarily
you
could
draw
the
line
directly,
at
least
where
I
was
seeing
people,
but
cancers
and
other
autoimmune
diseases
had
an
environmental
component.
E
So
I
hope
you
will
coordinate
with
dr
branch
over
at
the
health
department
because
there,
like
so
many
venn
diagrams,
there's
an
overlap
there
and
it's
also
particularly
harder
on
children,
seniors,
minority
communities
and
so
on.
So
that
would
be
a
whole
other
area
that
I
hope
you
will
look
at
as
as
you
go
through
your
your
work
assignment
that
you're
self-imposing
to
to
to
touch
on
the
health
aspects,
because
really
there
is
a
connection
not
just
the
global
health
and
the
local
health,
but
actually
individual
personal
health.
Absolutely.
A
G
Yes,
thank
you
and
again.
Let
me
add
my
welcome
jen
to
baltimore
county
before
I
get
to
the
procurement
questions
that
I
have
for
you.
I
haven't
yet
seen
the
recently
completed
climate
action
plan
for
the
county,
so
maybe
jasmine
could
put
it
in
the
chat
or
you
could
put
it
in
the
chat
or
send
it
by
email.
G
I
did
have
someone
forward
me,
the
montgomery
county
comparison
document
and
that
one
is
very
impressive,
so
I'll
be
curious
to
see
what
the
comparison
is,
but
as
to
ask
the
procurement.
I'm
curious
from
your
other
roles,
with
both
the
chesapeake
bay
foundation
and
clean
water
baltimore.
What
you
observed
about
buying
green
in
those
organizations.
B
Yeah,
so
in
in
those
organizations
what
we
were
primarily
looking
at,
let
me
let
me
step
back
from
an
organizational
perspective.
We
tried
to
be
very
mindful
about
the
materials
we
were
using
for
just
about
everything
and
it
was
a
lot
of
kind
of
starting
from
the
ground
up.
So
I
was
with
the
bay
foundation
when
we
consolidated
our
offices
into
one
large,
platinum,
leed,
certified
building
and
at
that
organization
we
thought
about
everything
from
the
building
materials
we
used.
B
I
would
say
the
same
thing
for
you
know
for
blue
water
baltimore.
You
know
the
the
other
thing
that
we
were
looking
at
was
you
know
where
are
the?
Where
are
the
pinch
points
you
know?
Where
are
their
challenges?
You
know
maybe
sort
of
the
changing
hearts
and
minds
where
you
know.
We've
we've
always
done
something.
This
way
creates
an
impediment
to
considering
something
different,
either
a
different
product
or
a
different
approach,
and
so
I
think
that
that
is
a
real
opportunity,
especially
in
the
procurement
arena.
B
When
I
first
started
my
my
last
job
with
bluewater
baltimore
and
I
was
meeting
with
stakeholders
and
staff
and
board
members,
I
asked
them
all
what
I
needed
to
know
about
the
organization,
and
I
said
the
only
thing
that
I
never
want
to
hear
is
because
we've
always
done
it
that
way,
and
so
that
was
a
bit
of
a
mantra
for
for
me
in
approaching
that
work,
and
I
think
that
that
may
be
a
really
a
really
great
mantra
when
we
think
about
our
procurement.
B
We
think
about
the
materials
that
we
are
using
on
a
day-to-day
basis,
the
the
bigger
picture
items
that
we're
procuring,
whether
it's
vehicles,
whether
it's
electric
charging
stations,
you
name
it.
How
can
we
think
differently
about
what
we
are,
what
we're
buying,
how
we're
using
it
and
how
we're
how
we're
treating
it
at
the
end
of
its
life.
B
H
B
And
delegate
moreheim
mentioned
bill
mcdonough,
I
I'm
a
student
of
bill
mcdonough.
When
I
was
finishing
my
my
graduate
work
at
the
university
of
virginia,
I
had
the
opportunity
to
work
with
him,
and
that
was
my
real
introduction
to
the
notion
of
sustainability,
and
so
it's
been
a
long
journey
for
me
personally
and
professionally,
but
I
believe
very
much
in
in
his
philosophy
of
not
only
reducing
reusing
and
recycling,
but
really
thinking
differently
about
the
life
cycle.
B
E
Thank
you,
jen.
I'm
glad
you
do
know
bill
mcdonough
and
he's
kind
of
my
guideline
in
this
issue
as
well,
and
maybe
others
will
look
him
up
I'll,
send
his
website
out,
but
I
have
a
question
really
as
much
for
phil
as
for
you.
So
with
the
end
of
the
day,
this
group
has
to
generate
a
final
document
and
you
have
the
original
work
that
we
did
as
as
carla
nelson
chambers
said,
there
are
some
other
things
that
we
will.
E
I
will
send
you
once
I
get
your
email
that
really
weren't
procurement
but
we'd
like
to
share
them
with
you.
But
how
do
we
coordinate
jen's
input
to
our
work
products
so
that
we
have
this
all
meshed
by
our
whatever
our
deadlines
are
phil?
So
that's
really
I'm
kind
of
directing
a
little
bit
more
to
you,
but
we
certainly
want
to
get
her
input
because
I
don't
think
you
know
our
subcommittee
worked
hard,
but
I
don't
think
we
did
everything
we
could
possibly
do
and
there
may
so.
Her
experience
here
could
really
help.
E
A
Yeah
I
mean
my
thought
would
be
that
the
subcommittee
coordinate
with
with
jen
to
meet
on
the
subcommittee's
time
and
then
bring
back
to
the
larger
group,
any
suggestions
or
modifications
to
the
to
the
recommendations
that
were
made
in
the
interim
report.
A
My
only
I
know,
I'm
a
bit
of
a
broken
record
on
this.
My
only
aspect
is
there
are
lots
of
great
ideas,
about
sustainability
and
and
being
green
and
all
the
rest
which
we're
all
in
favor
of
I
just
want
to
be
sure
we
we
are,
we
stay
focused
on
the
procurement
part
of
it
and
there's
certainly
input.
I
know
jen
you
could
have,
and
that
would
be
great,
but
I
would
just
do
it
at
the
subcommittee
level.
A
Then,
if
you
guys
bring
back
after
that
conversation,
what
you
all
think
should
either
be
added
or
perhaps
tweaked
from
the
interim
recommendations
and
we'll
we'll
take
it
up
as
a
full
commission,
then.
E
Great
I'll
coordinate
with
the
subcommittee
members
and
with
general
we'll
do
it
that
way,
thanks
for
the
guidance.
I
J
J
I
just
want
to
put
on
the
table
the
inclusion
of
minority
and
women,
businesses
and
sustainability.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
leave
them
out
when
we're
doing
this,
so
some
some
type
of
suggestion
on
how
to
educate
them
to
so
that
they
remain
relevant
in
the
topic.
E
Yeah
I'll
just
remind
that
when
we
talked
about
that
in
our
subcommittee,
what
we
decided
we
would
just
adhere
to
whatever
the
minority
women
business
subcommittee
I
went
with,
but
I
have
no
problem
adding
something
into
our
report.
We
just
didn't
want
to
tackle
that,
because
the
whole
other
subcommittee
that
was
dealing
with
it
and
we
figured
we'll
just
we'll
just
go
along
with
that
from
a
from
a
sustainability
point
of
view,.
A
Right
and
two
of
the
members
of
the
sustainability
committee
are
on
the
mbe
small
business
sub
committee.
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
who
engineered
that,
but
what
a
concept,
but
anyway,
I
think
there
certainly
should
be
communication
between
among
and
that'll,
be
very
helpful.
A
Are
there
other
other
other
questions
or
comments
or
for
jen?
I'm
sure
she's
got
lots
of
other
things
to
do,
but
it's
been
very
helpful,
but
anything
else.
At
this
point
we
will
surely
call
on
you
again.
I
know
dan
will
be
in
touch
and
welcome
on
behalf
of
everybody
and
we
we
look
forward
to
further
conversations
thanks
again.
B
C
B
A
Okay,
well,
let's
go
now
to
item
four,
which
is
commission
business
and
so
apropos
of
our
final
report,
which
is
due
november
30.
A
a
couple
things
if
I
can
just
set
the
context
and
then
we'll
get
the
we'll
get
the
reports
we
have
had
very
active
subcommittee
work
the
first
six
months
and
we
will
certainly-
and
it's
been
great-
and
we
will
certainly
need
that.
The
next
six
months,
as
we've
talked
about
before
we've
focused
a
lot
on
what
I'll
call
internal
stakeholders
and
with
our
survey
or
upcoming
public
meeting
and
the
plans
which
I'll
get
into
a
little
bit
about
the
about
a
best
practices
panel.
A
We're
going
to
be
gathering
information
from
external
stakeholders
and
and
make
that
a
good
part
of
the
focus
for
our
our
final
report.
In
that
same
field
of
thought,
we
need
to.
It
seems
to
me
established
a
couple
of
other
sub
subcommittees.
That's
the
next
item,
but
what
I
was
hoping
for
at
this
juncture
is
a
report
from
the
subcommittee
chairs
about
the
need
for
any
follow-up.
A
Because,
again,
I
think
sustainability
dan.
His
group
will
talk
to
we'll
talk
to
jen,
that'll
be
great
and
the
mbes.
You
know,
small
business
subcommittee
have
a
very
thorough
set
of
recommendations.
We
have
a
couple
of
things
a
couple
of
points
we're
going
to
try
to
see
if
we
can
reach
consensus
on
to
make
it
into
the
final
report.
A
Construction.
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
there's
already.
I
think
steve
is
already
with
his
subcommittee-
has
set
up
a
sort
of
a
list
of
things
to
be
addressed.
A
The
the
code
piece
is
significant
disputes
and
other
items
that
need
to
be
looked
at
there.
We
have
a
subcommittee
for
that,
so
it
is,
but
to
the
extent
that
a
lot
of
the
work
has
already
been
done
by
those
subcommittees,
I
just
want
to
see
where
the
loose
ends
are.
As
far
as
the
committee
chairs
see
them,
and
let's
figure
out
how
and
when
to
address
them,
because
we've
got
best
practices,
we
need
to
sort
out
fleet
management
and
property
management.
A
Those
are
in
the
executive
order
and
and
cooperative
purchasing
piggyback
purchasing
is
something
else
we
want
to
concentrate
more
on.
We
need
to
be
sure.
We've
got
on-call
contracting
covered
and
there
are
a
couple
of
other
items
as
well
and
then
the
last
thing
I
will
say
just
to
set
it
in
context
is
the
interim
report
got
done.
It
got
done
in
a
timely
manner.
I'm
very
on
behalf
of
the
commission,
I'm
very
proud
of
the
report.
A
The
final
report
is
to
november
30
that
comes
at
a
time
of
year,
which
is
always
a
lot
of
fun,
but
it
all
is
also
very
busy
and
stressful
time
and
to
the
extent
we
can
get
as
much
of
our
information
collection
work
done
by
the
end
of
september,
so
that
we
can
spend
october
working
in
groups
or
as
a
large
group
or
working
in
the
in
the
sub
in
subcommittees,
but
to
get
to
get
the
to
get.
A
The
final
draft
out
circulated
plenty
of
time
to
look
at
plenty
of
time
for
input
so
that
really
before
thanksgiving
it's
it's
ready
to
go
so
that
that's
my
those
are
my
aspirations
and
I
just
wanted
to
set
that
set
that
table
there.
So
if
we
could,
why
don't
we?
Why
don't
we
run
through
the
through
the
subcommittee
chairs
and,
let's
see
peter,
do
you
want
to
you
want
to
go
first
with
respect
to
the
well
shorthand,
I
call
the
purchasing
office
subcommittee.
G
Sure
the
a
couple
of
things
that
I
had
flagged
in
the
interim
report
and
passed
along
to
you
phil,
have
already
been
included
in
the
document
called
interim
report.
Next
steps,
that's
on
our
site.
G
I
do
think
there's
a
couple
more
things
that
will
come
out
of
actually
the
panel
discussion,
which
includes
education
and
certification,
as
well
as
best
practices,
the
other
item,
I'd
like
to
flag
and
I'll
be
calling
on
rose
and
carla
for
their
input
as
well
is
the
the
issue
of
resourcing
for
procurement,
and
I'm
still
concerned
that
there
isn't
enough
and
how
to
deal
with
that
and
how
to
explain
it
in
a
way
that
makes
it
clear
that
good
procurement,
no
matter
what
the
plan
is,
isn't
going
to
happen
unless
you
have
the
people
in
place
to
do
it.
A
E
Sure,
I'm
not
sure
how
much
more
there
is
to
say
about
the
code,
because
it's
it
was
such
a
out
of
date,
document
that
really
all
we
could.
I
think
we
did
a
lot
to
say
that
it
needs
you
know,
revision
from
beginning
middle
and
end,
including
all
the
elements
of
all
the
other
subcommittees.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
probably
is
beyond
my
personal
workload.
Ability
to
you
know
rewrite
the
the
code.
E
I
don't
think
we
can
do
that,
but
I
think
that
document
needs
to
be
shredded
and
started
over
from
all
the
respects
that
we're
going
to
recommend
plus
plus
others,
okay,
and
so
that's
about
all.
I
have
to
say
unless
some
other
members
have
a
different
perspective
at
this.
This
point
I
think
scott
phillips
was
the
other
member.
I
think
it
was
just
the
two
of
us.
Wasn't
it
scott.
E
A
K
No,
no
there's
nothing
to
add
to
what
danny
said
and
I
I
think
the
key
statement
there
is:
it
really
needs
a
review
and
that
goes
well
beyond.
I
think
what
we
were
tasked
to
do
phil
quite
honestly,
but
but
it
needs
a
pretty
significant
overlap.
A
Great
thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner
chambers.
Would
you
like
to
give
us
your
thoughts
and
your
subcommittee's
thoughts
about
mb,
small
business.
F
Most
of
the
things
that
we
discussed
were
covered
one
of
the
one
piece
about
that
insurance
between
what
peter
said
and
steve
and
then
in
talking
further
with
carla.
I
found
out
that
just
because
it
was
a
recommendation,
didn't
mean
they
were
gonna,
go
with
it.
So
that's
not.
We
don't
even
have
to
that's
a
new
point
right
now.
There
were
some
outstanding
pieces
in
reference
to,
but
one
of
the
questions
scott
said
was
about
best
practices.
F
What
were
other
jurisdictions
doing,
and
I
believe
that-
and
it
was
one
other
topic
that
we
were.
We
had
questions
about
and
that's
why
we
wanted
to
bring
back
miss
tim.
Is
it
tillman
so.
F
So,
anyway,
with
that,
I
would
like
to
pass
my
baton,
my
microphone
baton
to
car,
my
sister
girl,
carla
tucker,
to
kind
of
give
us
an
update
on
what
her
office
is
doing,
so
that
we
don't
cross
and
make
a
mess
and
and
overstep
our
bounds.
So.
A
Let's
so
my
understanding
is
from
elizabeth
and
jasmine.
There
is
additional
time
in
dr
ramsey's
contract
to
come
back
and
talk
to
the
entire
commission
to
talk
to
the
subcommittee.
If
so,
I
would
say
to
the
extent
that
the
subcommittee
wants
to
take
advantage
of
that.
The
only
thing
I
would
ask
is,
if
you
all,
could
do
it
on
the
earlier
side
of
this
last
six
months,
rather
than
the
last
rather
getting
towards
the
end.
A
A
Okay,
sorry,
sorry
for
the
interruption!
Please
go
ahead.
J
No
worries,
thank
you
carla.
Thank
you,
commissioner
and
chairman.
One
of
the
things
that
I
was
I
had
shared
with
carla
is
that
we
are
having
an
event
next
month
in
july
and
as
part
of
the
event,
we
are
going
to
be
announcing
some
of
the
things
that
the
county
is
going
to
move
forward.
With
from
the
disparity
study,
I
think,
jasmine
in
your
email,
you
were
looking
for
or
phil.
You
were
looking
for
information
from
dr
ramsey
pertaining
to
best
practices
that
are
that
are
being
done
elsewhere.
J
So
she
provided
me
a
template
back
in
february,
where
I've
been
using
that
and
benchmarking
my
recommendations
to
the
responses
to
the
disparity
study
to
share
with
administration.
However,
it
has
not
been
approved,
so
I
cannot
share
it
at
this
point
so
bringing
dr
ramsey
back.
She
doesn't
know
what
my
responses
are
either,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
that's
going
to
help
at
this
point.
So
that's
why
I
wanted.
J
I
asked
carla
if
I
wouldn't,
if
she
would
mind
if
I
would
share
that
with
the
committee,
I
do
have
recommendations
that
I
have
submitted
and
like
she
said,
not
everything
we
we've
agreed
with,
but
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
have
agreed
with,
but
I
don't
have
permission
to
move
forward
with
sharing
that
information
at
this
point
because
it
hasn't
been
approved
internally.
J
L
I
F
F
Dr
ramsey
can't
answer
what
she
doesn't
know,
but
we're
also
moving
we're
putting
the
cart
in
front
of
the
horse
as
to
what
the
county
is
doing
so
that,
depending
on
when
carlos
submits
her
report
to
the
ce
and
the
ce
says:
okay,
yes,
and
we
we
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
be
on
the
front
side
of
what
you
were
talking
about,
bringing
dr
ramsey
on
the
backside
or
not
at
all,
because
we
might
not
need
to.
But
it's
nice
to
know
that
we
have
that
little
bucket
available
to
us.
F
F
On
the
line-
and
so
I
I
I
want
the
county
to
be
able
to
do
what
they're
doing
first
before
we
go
outside
and
hopefully
we'll
have
our
answers
from
our
own
subject
matter.
Experts
so.
A
A
And
that
that
makes
perfect
sense,
and
thank
you
thank
you.
Thank
you,
miss
tucker
so
and
carl
for
the
subcommittee
piece,
so
you
just
keep
the
rest
of
us
posted.
Let's
just
put
it
that
way
that
that's
understood,
but
again,
I
think
an
awful
lot
of
work
and
a
lot
of
recommendations
are
already
out
there.
Yes,
can.
D
J
She
it's
a
possibility.
She
could
the
I
think
well,
my
reservation
is:
she
doesn't
even
know
how
internally
hi,
how
we're
going
to
respond
to
it.
So
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
scheduling
it.
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
table
where
I
am
because
what
I'm
preparing
is
actually
going
to
be
announced.
Some
of
it
will
be
announced
next
month
in
july,
because
we're
having
an
event
where
dr
ramsey
is
actually
going
to
be
speaking,
come
july
about
the
disparity
study
and
then
our
responses,
so
I
can
find
out.
J
I
haven't
been
given
the
okay
to
share
the
the
best
practices
where
she
shared
other
jurisdictions
that
are
doing
some
of
the
things
that
were
recommended
in
the
study.
If
I
can
have
the
okay
to
share
that
out
I'll
be
happy
to
share
that.
J
K
A
I
completely
agree
with
that
and
to
me
it's
just
a
question
of
if,
if
something's,
if
something's
about
to
be
announced,
that
will
not
make
it
necessary
for
us
to
go
down
some
path.
We
haven't
already
that's
fine,
but
no,
I'm
I'm
completely
with
you
scott
we're
we
are.
We
are
independent.
We're
supposed
to
look
at
look
at
all
matters
involving
procurement.
We've
got
the
executive
order
and
we
should
make
the
recommendations
we
feel
are
appropriate
to
address.
A
The
issues
we
see
and
involving
procurement
in
all
facets
in
baltimore
county
and
that's
what
we
will
do,
but
it
is
it's
helpful
to
know
what
else
is
going
on
and
again
it's
just
really
to
save
people,
time
and
effort,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
other
things
to
do
as
well.
This
is
obviously
an
extremely
important
topic,
but
if
it's
going
to
be
covered
otherwise,
so
maybe
we'll
just
kind
of
wait
to
see
how
july
plays
out.
A
But
in
the
meantime
I
would
say
I
would
urge
a
subcommittee
if
you
want
to
talk.
Have
dr
ramsey
come
in
and
talk
to
some
of
these
other
things
that
that's
great
and
we'll
we
we
don't
want
to
again.
I
just
don't
want
it
to
be
people
doing
the
same
work
twice,
but
about
us
having
a
different,
a
different
look
or
a
different
view.
J
That
was
that's
actually
why
I
brought
it
up
and
again,
if,
if
I
get
the
okay
to
share
the
the
benchmark,
that
I
was
using
I'll
be
happy
to
share
that
she
provided
me
with
a
benchmark
of
other
jurisdictions,
and
I
added
baltimore
county
and
the
state
of
maryland
to
it
to
show
what
we
were
doing
against
all
of
them.
If
I
can
share,
if
I'm
able
to
share
that,
then
I'd
be
happy
to
do
so,
but
I
just
have
to
get
the
okay.
F
Which
goes
back
to
while
scott
you
said
we
were
independent.
We
don't
want
dr
ramsey
to
say
well,
wait
a
minute
if
I
gave
it
to
baltimore
county
over
here.
How
come
baltimore
county
over
here
doesn't
have
it
you
know
so
so
so
carla
is
speaking
to
her
upline
to
see
if
she
is
able.
You
know
to
do
that
and
then
hopefully
we
get
a
yes.
J
A
I
Next,
if
the
event
is
next
month,
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
hurt
us
really
to.
We
have
a
lot
of
other
issues
to
to
look
at
and
and
wouldn't
be
any
problem
to.
You
know
to
wait
till
this
event
is
announced,
whatever
it
is
and
just
move
forward
with
some
other
things
until
that
gets
announced.
I
A
Understood,
I
think,
that's
I
think,
that's
where
we've
landed
so
to
speak
and
we'll
just
all
stay
in
touch
and
take
it
from
there.
But
I
I
appreciate
commissioner
phillips
reiterating
that
we
are
independent
and
we
will
make
the
recommendations
we
as
a
commission
deem
appropriate.
A
Okay.
Let's
see
so,
commissioner
walsh
is
being
very
patient
as
he
always
always
is
so
now.
It's
your
turn,
commissioner
walsh,
to
tell
us
about
the
construction
subcommittee.
M
Sure,
thanks
phil,
so
yeah
we
there
was
four
items
identified
and
it
made
it
made
its
way
to
the
inter
interim
report
that
we
wanted
to
have
some
additional
discussions
on
two
of
which
were
of
particular
interest
to
rick
benetti,
the
standard
contract
form
and
the
county
prevailing
wage
law
that
got
approved
at
the
end
of
last
year
and
and
jermaine,
and
I
talked
and
jermaine
will
be
picking
up
that
ball
and
pushing
forward
some
some
some
issues
that
we
can
talk
about
and
ultimately
get
back
to
the
committee.
M
The
other
two
items:
contract
administration,
vendor
payment,
the
sort
of
the
software
and
how
how
they
do
project
management
and
bill
paying
in
public
works
now
should
be
a
relatively
quick
discussion,
as
well
as
the
architect
engineering
procurement
method.
So,
with
a
few
meetings
we
should
be
able
to
wrap
up
those
items.
I
would
hope
and
come
up
with
some
proposed
language
and
get
back
to
the
broader
group.
So
we've
been
trying
to
get
a
meeting
scheduled.
M
It's
been
a
little
difficult
with
all
of
our
schedules,
but
I'll
work
towards
getting
a
couple
meetings
on
the
calendar
for
our
subgroup
and
move
forward.
I
don't
think
we
will
need
any
support
from
county
staff,
I'm
hoping
we'll
we'll
be
able
to
meet,
and
then
maybe
some
questions
come
out,
we'll
be
able
to
handle
questions
via
email,
but
we'll
have
to
get
into
the
meetings
and
decide
that
so
I
think
we're
in
pretty
good
shape
to
be
able
to
finish
the
items
that
were
left
over
from
the
last
iteration.
A
That's
great,
thank
you
very
much.
I
don't
know
if
dan
has
left,
I
don't
see
him
or
his
oh
there.
He
is
there.
He
is
okay.
Dan.
There
you
go,
we've
sort
of
talked
about
sustainability,
but
is
there
any
particular
items
you
want
to
point?
Well,
I
think
you
guys
are
going
to
be
meeting
with
talking
to
jen
further
and.
A
Forgotten
any
subcommittee,
I
don't
think
I
am
okay,
great
all
right.
That's
all
all
very
helpful.
I
think
we're
in
really
good
good
shape,
and
that's
what
tribute
to
all
of
you.
Thank
you,
okay.
So
speaking
of
subcommittees,
I
mentioned
in
the
email
last
night
that
the
best
practices
subcommittee
had
been
established,
and
I
wasn't
suggesting
that
would
it
was
going
to
be
the
only
new
one,
but
that's
that's
the
only
one
that's
up
with
with
a
a
chair
and
that
being
peta
who's.
A
Kindly
agreeing
to
to
chair
the
best
practices
subcommittee
and
we'll
talk
about
an
upcoming
panel
discussion
in
a
few
minutes
in
terms
of
other
subcommittees
dan
had
suggested
a
cooperative
purchasing
piggyback
arrangement
procurement
type
of
subcommittee.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
if
you
should
know
what
others
think
and
then,
if
so,
we
can
appoint
a
chair
and
see
if
we
can
get
some
volunteers.
A
I
also
like
to
get
some
volunteers
for
the
best
practices
subcommittee,
but
before
we
start
taking
volunteers,
when
we
see
if
there
are
any
other
subcommittees,
the
only
other
one
that
occurs
to
me
and
I,
as
you
all,
have
learned
over
these
months,
I
do
not
have
all
the
knowledge
I
should
have
so
I'm
sure
I'm
forgetting
something,
but
I
do
note
that
the
executive
order
talks
about
fleet
management
property
management.
A
I
also
know
that
the
efficiency
assessment
that
is
occurring
now
and
that
will
be
issuing
its
final
report
in
july
is
addressing
some
of
that.
I
don't
think
I
think
elizabeth
had
to
go
to
another
meeting.
I
might
be
able
to
get
her
back.
Maybe
jasmine
knows
something
more
about
that,
so
so
best
practices
crop
well
I'll,
just
call
cooperative
purchasing,
which
includes
some
other
things
that
are
of
that
ilk
and
then
sort
of
a
fleet
management,
property
management
subcommittee.
Those
were
the
those
are
the
three
that
occurred
to
me,
but
other
thoughts.
M
I'm
not
sure
it's
worthy
of
a
subcommittee
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you
thought
through
how
we
wanted
to
handle
it
yet.
But
when
we
get
the
data
back
from
the
surveys,
some
folks
are
going
to
need.
Maybe
the
whole
entire
committee
can
look
at
that.
I
don't
know
if
you
thought
that
through
yet,
but.
A
Is
that
that
that's
a
perfect
example
further
evidence
that
no,
I
had
not
thought
it
through.
That's
a
great!
That's!
That's
a
great
idea,
a
lot
of
that
when
the
raw
information
comes
in
then
how
it
gets
reported
out
and
maybe
gets
dissected
from
there
in
a
subcommittee.
But
that's
that's
a
great
that's
a
great
point.
Let's
give
let's,
let's
give
that
some
thought.
Yes,
dan.
E
Yes,
hoping
peta,
could
you
describe
a
little
bit
of
what
the
scope
of
best
practices?
What
do
you
envision?
That's
kind
of
a
big
broad
term
I'd
like
some
help
with
that
understanding.
What
you're,
after.
A
If,
if
you
think
of
something
please
please
let
me
know
and
I'd,
ask
everybody
to
go
back
and
double
check
the
executive
order,
just
to
be
sure,
I'd
hate
to
handle
in
a
final
report
and
the
county
executive
point
out
something
that
we
didn't
address.
I
think
we,
I
think
we
have
it.
So
if
there
aren't
any,
then
what
I
see
at
the
moment
is:
we've
got
best
practices
again,
I'm
just
going
to
call
cooperative
cooperative
purchasing.
A
And
the
the
fleet,
fleet
and
property
management
with
a
with
a
note
too,
and
I
I'd
really
like
to
get
some
information
from
from
elizabeth
on
the
on
the
the
initial
data
review,
because
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
and
that
may
be
able
to
be
done
by
staff.
Yes,
sheila
did
you
have.
A
D
A
L
Yeah,
I
I'm
not
sure
mayor
disney,
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
do
remember
us
talking
about
cooperative
procurements
in
the
early
on
stage,
and
we
have
mentioned
that
baltimore
county
is
a
member
of
the
baltimore
metropolitan
council.
L
Actually
one
of
the
leading
agencies
is,
we
lead
a
lot
of
the
cooperative
agreements
associated
with
their
organization.
Hope
that
answer
your
question.
I
think
that's
what
you're
referring
to
well.
D
E
That
is
part
of
the
part
of
the
puzzle,
but
there's
a
lot
more
to
it
than
that.
So
I
think
it's
worthy
of
a
a
broader
look.
It's
good
that
the
county
is
part
of
a
purchasing
group
here,
but
there's
a
lot
more
to
be
analyzed
about
that
and
there's
kind
of
a
water
balloon
on
this
one
too.
E
If
you
get
too
involved,
I
saw
this
at
the
state
level,
with
some
of
the
big
buying
consortiums
there's
a
tendency
for
procurement
officers
to
kind
of
re-up
renew
those,
and
then
it
has
a
tendency
to
not
let
locals
bid.
There
were
quite
a
few
times
where
some
local
or
some
maryland
businesses-
we
we
never
get
a
chance
to
bid
now
because
you're
always
buying
with
some
national
consortium.
E
On
the
other
hand,
there's
a
lot
of
advantages
to
some
regional
and
national
consortiums
and
inter
governmental
buying,
especially
and
and
of
course,
the
baltimore
group.
There's
an
eastern
shore
group,
there's
a
western
maryland
group,
there's
a
you
know.
So,
maybe
if
all
of
those
got
together,
we
do
even
better
24
counties
is
better
than
six
or
eight
in
different
groups.
So
there
is
some
elements
here
to
look
at
and
we
can
also
talk
to
the
maryland
association
of
counties
about
that
last
point:.
A
H
A
Going
to
be
will
be
competitive,
seal
proposals
will
be,
invitations
for
bids
will
be,
something
else
will
be
a
p-card
purchase
and
same
thing
on
the
co-operative
purchasing,
you're
right
and
and
where
do
you
go
and
what
else
do
you
look
at
so
yeah?
I
think
it.
I
think
it
deserves
a
look.
It
might
not
be
the
most
we'll.
A
A
H
Yeah
so
myself
and
bc
stat
will
be
coordinated
to
do
that.
So
if
no
one
else
has
any
edits
based
on
the
links,
I
shared
around
I'll
coordinate
getting
those
out
this
week
and
then
what
I'll
do
is
I'll,
send
an
email
with
everyone
blind
copy
that
you
all
are
welcome
to
forward
to
your
networks
as
well.
A
Okay,
all
right
yeah,
we'll
we'll
talk
about
the
survey
in
a
minute,
but
that
that's
great
and
then
I
think,
as
things
come
in,
let's
as
a
commission,
we
ought
to
figure
out.
Do
we
need
a
if
it's,
not
a
sub
committee,
maybe
a
work
groups
to
help
report
out
to
the
full
commission
what
we're
seeing?
But
let's,
let's
see
what
else
we
have
going
on
at
that
point
in
time.
A
Okay,
so
I
I
think
that
we
have.
I
think,
we've
identified
three
three
more
subcommittees
and
I
think
the
pending
question
was
dan
had
a
question
about
what
is
envisioned
by
peter
for
the
best
practices
subcommittee
that
she's
kindly
agreed
to
share
so
peter.
You
wanna
give
us
your
thoughts
on
that.
Please.
G
Yes
sure,
but
before
I
begin
that,
though,
I
did
want
to
say
in
response
to
cooperative
purchasing,
etc,
that
one
of
the
people
I
contacted
when
I
was
beginning
the
search
for
who
to
talk
to
about
best
practices
was
the
director
of
cooperative
purchasing
at
the
baltimore
metropolitan
council,
debbie
grote,
and
I
gather
from
her
resume
and
her
certifications
that
she's
extremely
knowledgeable
and,
of
course
she
deals
with
all
of
the
metropolitan
jurisdictions.
G
So
if
anybody
wants
to
talk
with
her
about
what
we
could
do
better,
more,
whatever
I'd
have
the
contact
information
but
on
to
the
best
practices
panel.
G
You'll
recall
that
I
did
reach
out
to
some
of
our
local
maryland
procurement
experts
in
that
they're
officers
in
the
maryland
purchasing
association
and
got
some
great
names
and
had
a.
I
A
G
G
You
go,
I
thought
so
and
had
an
interim
discussion
with
phil
and
elizabeth
because
of
our
tight
schedule,
which
our
chairman
is
insistent
upon.
G
Let
me
tell
you,
the
people
that
I
have
spoken
with
about
joining
us
as
panelists.
First
was
rick
grimm,
who
is
the
ceo
of
the
national
institute
of
government
purchasing,
also
known
as
nigp,
and
he
was
highly
recommended
by
everyone
that
I
spoke
with.
I've
spoken
with
him
he's
very
he's
very
much
looking
forward
to
joining
us.
G
If
you
will,
I
contacted
andrew
heim,
who
is
the
chief
procurement
officer
in
anne
arundel
county?
Also
highly
recommended
and
he's
very
excited
to
join
us.
I
also
spoke
with
kathy
muse,
who
is
the
director
of
the
fairfax
county
procurement
and
materials
management,
department
and
she's,
also
very
positive.
G
My
actual
conversation
about
some
more
details
is
going
to
happen
after
this
meeting
and
then
finally,
I
also
contacted
the
woman
who
heads
up
the
state,
training
and
certification
program.
G
It
looks
to
be
a
very
strong,
rigorous
program.
They've
graduated,
their
first
class
at
least,
and
the
plan
is
to
roll
it
out
to
the
jurisdictions
to
make
those
training
resources
and
the
certifications
that
go
along
available
for
procurement
staff
in
the
counties,
and
so
dr
victoria
strieger
steeger.
Excuse
me
again
is
very
excited
to
join
us
and
interested
to
learn
what's
going
on
in
baltimore
county
and
how
her
program
can
help
us
towards
improving
the
certification
and
the
professionalism
of
procurement
in
baltimore
county.
G
So
those
are
the
people,
and
my
thought
was.
This
is
just
a
bear
outline,
okay,
just
to
get
the
conversation
started,
rick
grimm
can
give
a
national
perspective.
G
Anne
arundel,
county
and
fairfax
county
do
things
differently
and
they're
both
held
up
as
stellar
examples
of
some
good
things
in
terms
of
best
practices.
So
I
mentioned
to
andrew
and
I
will
to
kathy
that,
knowing
what
they're
doing
how
they
moved
their
organization
towards
better
operations
would
be
of
interest
and
then,
of
course,
with
dr
steger,
I
told
her
that
we
were
interested
in
making
sure
res
training
and
education
and
certification
resources
would
be
available
for
staff
in
baltimore
county.
G
So
that's
sort
of
the
overview,
but
I'm
interested
to
know
what
y'all
might
think
about
specific
topics
to
ask
our
panelists
and
also
to
let
you
know
that,
while
I
said
originally
to
the
invitees
talk
for
20
minutes,
15
or
20
minutes
and
then
10
plus
minutes
for
q,
a
rick
grimm
actually
suggested
the
reverse
to
leave
more
time
for
questions.
G
So
that's
that
was
his
input,
which
I
said
I'd
pass
along
and
finally,
before
I
give
you
a
chance
to
say
something
I'll
be
anxious
to
have
volunteers,
to
help
me
with
this,
because
it's
not
just
setting
up
a
panel.
G
G
But
beyond
that,
it's
then
absorbing
and
synthesizing
the
input
that
we've
received
on
best
practices
and
seeing
how
it
can
be
integrated
with
what
we've
learned
about
purchasing
and
procurement
in
the
county
and
what
we
see
is
the
needs
and
what
our
recommendations
are.
So
there's
definitely
work
to
be
done
on
the
back
side
of
having
our
visitors
on
the
22nd
of
july.
A
A
A
K
A
G
Great,
if
I
may,
I
also
will
be
in
touch
with
carla
tucker
and
rose
to
get
input
from
them
as
well,
and
because
because
one
of
the
things
I
will
ask
everyone
to
do
before
our
panel
meets
is
to
work
on
questions
ahead
of
time,
so
that
we
have
some
things
to
talk
about
with
our
guests
and
the
input
from
the
people
who
are
on
the
ground
and
doing
the
work
in
baltimore
county
will
be.
You
know
very
helpful
to
the
rest
of
us.
A
Thank
you
so
we've
got.
We
have
three
people
on
on
best
practices.
We
may
add
to
that.
But
let's
talk
for
a
second
about
cooperative
purchasing
dan.
Thank
you
for
volunteering,
others
on
carpenter,
purchasing.
F
F
Okay,
so
dan
I'll
help
you
because
of
the
whole
mbe
component
and
how
that
affects
them.
The
nba,
I
know
crowd
car.
I
can
hear
carl
in
my
head
saying
so
I'll
take
that
on
and
scott
you
know
I'll
just
defer
to
you.
As
my
you
know,
and
to
get
your
perspective,
you
know
as
we
move
forward
because
you
we
just
know
how
that
can
adversely
affect
minority
business
when
we
start
doing
that.
If
you
don't
mind
me
picking
your
brain.
A
L
E
And
the
other
part,
to
some
extent,
cooperative
protein
is
almost
a
subset
of
best
practices.
You
know
anyway,
so
we'll,
finally,
anything
dramatic,
I'll
coordinate
with
peta
on
the
side.
I
think.
G
And
I'm
very
interested
dan,
as
you
might
surmise
in
what
can
be
done.
That
should
be
done
to
improve
that
arena.
A
A
Carla
chambers
just
mentioned
that
subcommittee
also
is
small
business.
So
to
the
point
earlier
about
one
of
the
issues
being
you
go
with
the
national
consortium
as
dan
was
pointing
out,
and
sometimes
small
businesses.
I
have
have
a
rough
time
of
it
as
well,
so
I
I
think,
all
that
all
that'll
work
through
well
we'll.
A
We'll
add
some
of
the
cooperative
purchasing,
so
so
fleet
fleet
management,
steve.
M
E
A
Absolutely
and
okay,
I've
got
a
couple
of
other
ideas
and
I'll
circle
back
with
people
about
chairmanship
in
that
respect,
but
I
think
we
can
get
all
that
done.
So
thank
you
for
that.
A
A
Apropos
of
of
of
commissioner
phillips
comments
about
you
know
we're
independent
we'll
do
what
we
think
is
appropriate
again,
I
don't
want
to
re-plow
ground
somebody
else
has
done,
but
on
the
other
hand,
I
want
to
be
sure
that
it
is,
and
I'm
not
casting
a
spurs
at
all,
but
I
just
want
to
be
sure
it's
consistent
with
how
we
want
to
do
it.
Yes,
ms
tucker
you're,
going
to
save
me
from
saying
something
I
shouldn't
go
ahead.
Please.
J
There
was
a
thought
for
the
cooperative
purchasing
and
my
training
for
the
small
business.
One
of
the
things
that
that
came
out
is
somehow
we
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
encourage
the
small
businesses
to
participate
as
a
vendor
in
those
cooperative
purchases.
What
do
we
need
to
do
to
get
them
to
participate,
because
I
don't
know
how
to
I
wouldn't
know
how
to
do
that.
J
Yeah
so
like
the
western
states
alliance
is
one
and
the
naspo
was
another,
it's
a
lot
of
cooperative
purchasing,
but
I
noticed
that
there's
a
lot
of
of
the.
I
would
say
the
school
districts
use
a
lot
of
the
national
consortium,
but
when
I
looked
at
some
of
the
national
consortiums
there's
no
local
businesses
in
them,
so
we
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
get
our
businesses
in
that
consortium,
and
I
don't.
I
haven't
figured
out
how
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
put
that
on
the
table.
K
So,
colin,
that's
a
challenge
for
me
and
I've
seen
that,
and
it
bothers
me
when
the
national
consortiums
put
their
bids
out
they
generally.
K
The
municipality
is
on
the
government
entity
to
say
yes,
we'll
use
the
cooperative
agreement,
but
we're
going
to
whoever
wins,
we're
going
to
say
to
them.
They
have
to
then
comply
with
that,
doesn't
always
work
so
well.
That's
just
been
my
experience
just
dealing
with
the
the
the
cooperative
nature
of
these.
F
Agreements-
and
that
was
the
struggle
of
what,
when
I
was
in
the
mayor's
office
with
mayor
dixon,
because
there
were
you-
know,
people
who
wanted
us
to
use
that
and
she
she
kept
pushing
back
saying
yeah,
but
because
it
would
go
against
our
mbe
program
but
purchasing
the
the
pertinent
our
procurement
department
was
all
about
saving
money
in
the
bottom
line
and
it
became
a
struggle
and
so
you're
right.
F
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
do
that
unless
we
just
make
it
I'm
just
out
while
we're
on
the
topic
just
off
the
top
of
my
head,
unless
we
do
it
for
things
that
we
know
the
minority
business
community,
we
don't
have
anyone
in
that
market.
I'm
just
you
know.
I
don't
know,
and
I
know
that
that's
that
can
be
a
slippery
slope
too.
I'm
just
trying
to
you
know
I
don't
know
damn
cool
but.
J
Dan
is
there
a
way
that
we
could
require
the
consortium
to
be
registered
in
our
state.
E
Well,
you
know
I
brought
this
is
in
effect
what
I
brought
up
at
the
very
beginning
when
I
started
talking
about
the
consortium.
If
you
remember
back
to
my
initial
comment
that
there's
a
tendency
for
the
nationals
to
leave
out
the
local
and
I
didn't
go
into
more
depth,
but
I
could
have
said
many
of
the
things
that
were
just
said
yeah.
E
I
think
that
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
ought
to
be
discussing
and
that
we
that
also
changed
the
policy
of
the
national
consortium
so
that
they
have
standards-
and
I
don't
know
if
they
do
or
don't
for
minority
women
business
enterprise,
I'd
like
to
think
that
they
do.
But
I
don't
actually
know
that
for
a
fact-
and
I
don't
I
you
know,
would
certainly
ask
that
question
of
debbie
groat
and
how
they
manage
that
for
their
their
group.
E
So
I
think
those
are
all
very
fair
questions
and
those
are
among
the
ones
we'd
want
to
explore.
The
one
you've
heard
me
harp
about
is
is
has
no
such
issue,
which
is
the
county
ought
to
be
buying
its
health
insurance
piggybacking
on
the
state.
You
know
and
that
one
just
befuddles
me
that
after
two
years
they
still
haven't
even
explored
that
possibility
so
that
that
is
there
are
some
piggybacking
where
this
issue
doesn't
even
arise.
E
But
I
think
all
the
other
points
are
really
good
and
I
think
they're
worthy
of
one
of
the
discussions
and
that's
why.
I
hope
scott,
because
we
work
so
well
on
the
the
code
revision
would
would
join
the
cooperative
purchasing
subgroup.
Maybe
yeah.
A
All
right
we're
gonna,
we'll
get
some
other
we'll
get
some
other
volunteers,
they
they're,
not
they,
don't
they
don't
know
they're
going
to
volunteer
yet,
but
they
will.
Let's,
let's
move
to
item
4c
and-
and
some
of
this
has
been
covered
a
little
bit.
This
is
what
I'm
just
called
external
stakeholder
information
resources.
So
the
the
public
comment
meeting
procurement
survey
best
practices
panel.
Let
me
let
me
take
those
backwards
because
peter's
given
a
and
anything
else,
you
want
to
say
about
the
the
panel
peter
but
peter's.
A
I
think,
given
a
very
good
summary
of
that.
That
will
be
our
second
meeting
in
july,
which
will
be
july
22nd.
I
think
that's
a
date
and
everybody's
available
and
that
we've
talked
to
elizabeth
that
that
sort
of
works
best
for
for
everyone,
so
it
will
be
that
date.
Is
there
anything
else
we
need
to
say
about
the
panel
at
this
point
peter?
Are
we
recovered
good?
Okay?
Thank
you.
The.
A
Backwards
order,
apologies,
the
procurement
survey
jasmine.
Do
you
want
to
give
us
an
update
on
on
on
the
survey?
I
know,
there's
an
internal
and
an
external
survey.
H
Yes,
so
the
internal
survey
went
out
as
part
of
that
larger
internal
survey
done
by
the
efficiency
assessment.
I'm
the
folks
running
that.
So
I
believe
that
went
out
the
end
of
last
week
I
shared
with
everyone.
The
just
went
blank
survey,
funky
test
links
for
the
external
one.
If
everything
looks
fine,
no
one
has
any
edits.
I
will
get
that
going
and
we
are
good
to
go
on
both
of
those
ends.
A
Okay,
I
think
on
any
edits,
because
we've
looked
at
them
a
couple
of
times.
I
think,
let's,
if
there
aren't
any
edits
between
now
and
tomorrow,
at
noon,
it's
got.
It's
got
to
go.
We
got
to
get
that
out
there.
A
We
need
to
collect
that
information
if
everybody's
comfortable
with
that
sort
of
time
frame,
because
we
have
we
have
looked
at
that
and
then
jasmine
you
mentioned
before,
and
forgive
me
if
I'm
asking
you
to
repeat
yourself
but
part
of
the
plan
is
that
do
you
want
the
commissioners
to
submit
to
you
where
they
want
that
sent
out,
or
you
want
the
commissioners
to
send
out
this
the
survey
and
how
the
groups
they
want?
A
I
just
want
to
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
say
in
the
final
report
that
you
know
here's
what
we
did
to
distribute
the
survey
to
try
to
get
the
broadest
possible
pool
of
respondents
and
if
things
are
being
individually
done
by
commissioners,
I
want
to
be
sure
we
keep
track
of
what
we're
doing.
So,
if
you
could
go
over
what's
being
contemplated
there
in
terms
of
the
logistics
getting
it
out,
I'd
appreciate
it.
H
Yes,
so
for
ease,
I'm
going
to
send
an
email
with
the
active
links
and
the
agreed
upon
language
in
it,
and
everyone
be
succeeded
and
you're
able
to
forward
to
whatever
networks
you
would
like.
If
you
could
share
with
me
the
names
of
the
groups
that
you
shared
it
with.
That
would
be
great,
but
it'd
just
be
faster
if
folks
reached
out,
and
they
probably
will
respond
to
since
you
already
have
a
relationship
with
them
and
they'll
be
like
who's
jasmine.
H
So
that
would
be
the
best
way
in
my
opinion,
and
then
I'll.
Just
keep
track
of
the
groups
that
were
targeted.
A
Okay
and
because
we
have
a
couple
of
commissioners
who
are
not
on
the
no
longer
on
the
caller,
when
able
to
make
it
today,
can
you
just
send
an
email
with
the
general
instructions,
so
we're
all
reminded
what
you
would
like
from
us
and
that
way
we
can
try
to
keep
it,
keep
it
consistent
and
going
and
when
remind
at
least
me,
if
you
will
the
for
the
internal
survey,
responses
will
be.
When
do
we
think
those
responses
will
be
available
for
what's?
What's
the
right
word,
data
mining.
H
A
Okay-
well
maybe
we'll
know
better
by
july,
8th
and
then
and
then
this
external
survey.
What
kind
of
response
time
are
we
allowing
in
do
we
think
we
are
going
to
be
timing,
wise
on
that.
H
A
H
M
H
And
summer
right
yeah,
we
can
leave
it
open
longer
if
you'd,
like
only
concern
with
leaving
it.
Having
a
longer
window,
is
that
people
will
delay
and
then
not
actually
do
it.
So
that's
usually
why
you
used
to
have
a
short
window
for
surveys,
but
if
everyone
would
like,
we
can
do
it
for
two
weeks.
M
H
And
we
can
extend
it
as
well.
If
the
result,
excuse
me
if
the
responses
aren't
what
we
would
like.
A
Okay,
if
we
go
with
everybody,
if
we
could
do
a
week
and
then
we'll
see
see
what
kind
of
response
we
get.
Okay,
good
all
right,
thank
you
and
then
on
the
public
comment
meeting,
and
this
has
to
do
with
with
meetings
generally,
I
appreciate
everybody's
comments
back
to
me
and
conversations
I've
had
about
this
group,
meaning
in
person
versus
virtual
and
the
like.
A
I
think
the
public
comment
meeting.
If,
if
we're
going
to
do
it
in
person,
it's
not
going
to
be
able
to
happen
until
after
labor
day.
If
we
do
it
virtually,
we
could
do
it
sooner.
A
We're
probably
talking
we're
talking
about
august
and
that's
I'm
hoping
people
will
still
take
vacations
in
august
and
and
that's
another
thing
we
ask
people
to.
Let
us
know
again
because
they
get
lots
of
people
are
anxious
to
get
out
and
and
get
out
in
the
world
a
little
bit
about
what
people's
plans
are
to
be
away,
and
there
are
people
who
will
will
be
away
in
august.
A
So
I
think
we're
probably
looking
at
early
september
and
and
I'm
not
sure
the
commission
really
came
to
a
final
decision
on
whether
the
public
meeting
ought
to
be
in
person
or
or
virtual
or
or
have
two
of
them,
one
virtual
one
in
person,
but
it
just
in
terms
of
timing.
It
looks
to
me
like
it's
going
to
be
after
after
labor
day
anybody's
thoughts,
yeah
yes,
peter.
G
K
G
Virtual
and
formatted,
to
give
people
an
opportunity
to
speak,
for
you
know,
limited
time
per
usual
and
to
also
send
in
email
comments
to
the
commission
using
our
email
address
and
having
it
sooner
is
you
know,
advantageous
and
we're
already
doubling
up
on
our
meetings.
Mr
chairman,
so
one
meeting
would
be
my
my
vote.
K
I'm
thinking
you
may
want
to
go
right
after
labor
day.
I
do
understand.
We
want
to
get
as
much
information
as
soon
as
possible
so
that
we
can
include
it
in
our
final
report,
but
I,
like
you,
think
it
may
be
a
challenge
to
get
the
type
of
input
that
I
think
would
be
representative
in
the
month
of
august.
A
A
Apropos
of
the
comments
regarding
august,
if
you
have
plans
to
be
away
in
in
august
and
haven't
yet
send
jasmine
those
dates
just
so,
we
have
a
add
them
to
the
master
list
and
then
we'll
see
if
we
can
find
a
thursday
in
there
that
will
work
best
for
everybody
or
a
couple
of
thursdays
if
it
works
out
that
way.
A
But
I
want
to
be
mindful
of
of
everybody's
time
and
availability
and
then
it
sounds
like
we'll
have
our
first
meeting
in
september,
we'll
be
the
public
input
meeting
and
we'll
have
a
couple
more
meetings
and
we'll
go
from
there.
I
would
hope
that
at
least
at
least
once
we
could
all
meet
together
before
before
november
30
and
maybe
it'll
be
to
look
at
a
draft
of
the
final
report
or
maybe
we'll
all
feel
comfortable
at
the
end
of
september.
A
Getting
together
in
person
or
we'll
have
a
we'll
have
a
post
final
report
party
at
my
house,
but
at
some
point
I
would
like
this
group
to
get
together
professionally
or
or
on
a
social
basis,
but
I
think
I
think
we
owe
it
to
ourselves,
at
least
at
least
once
so
we'll
we'll
keep
that
we'll.
Keep
that
in
mind.
But
at
least
for
the
next
couple
of
months,
we'll
we'll
stay
virtual.
A
There
is
a
convenience
aspect
to
it
and
I
do
think
the
work
of
the
because
of
everybody's
legality
and
willingness
to
serve
well
and
thoughtfully.
I
think
this
has
worked
as
well
as
it
can
still
biggest
substitute
for
being
in
the
room,
but
I
I
don't.
I
don't
think
the
commission's
work
is
has
suffered
at
all
as
a
result
of
it.
A
Well,
hearing
nothing,
it's
4
33,
so
I'll,
let
people
get
a
little
more
of
their
afternoon
back
I'll,
see
everybody
on
july.
The
8th
and
thank
you
all
we'll
get
there
we'll
get
these
the
subcommittee's
new
ones
fully
populated.
I
would
urge
the
existing
subcommittees
to
go
ahead
and
move
forward,
see
what
we
can
do
at
type
loose
ends,
particularly
if
there's
somebody
like
to
hear
from
on
july
8,
if
there's
other
information
or
support
you
need
from
the
county.
A
If
there's
something
you'd
like
the
other
commissioner's
input
on
now,
it's
the
perfect
time
to
do
that,
because
we're
going
to
be
it'll
be
a
sprint
september
and
october,
and
so
let's
try
to
get
as
much
done
as
we
can
now.
I.
F
Thank
you.
Oh
yes,
yes,
commissioner
chambers,
wanted
to
ask
carla
tucker.
Can
you
make
sure
that
that
event
for
the
28th
is
sent
to,
I
guess
jasmine
elizabeth,
so
she
can
send
it
out
to
us
for
your
your.
You
know
your
event
on
the
disparity
study.
Please
absolutely.
J
The
save
the
day
should
be
going
on
next
week.
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
A
E
G
I
will
send
out
a
note
to
sheila
and
to
scott
with
more
information
about
the
panelists
and
how
we
can
all
get
in
touch
with
one
another.