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From YouTube: Design Review Panel Meeting Part 2, March 8, 2023
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A
With
offices
in
Towson,
at
210,
West,
Pennsylvania,
Avenue,
Suite,
500.
and
I
represent
the
applicant
Milford
Mill
Properties
LLC
here
this
evening.
Also,
here
with
me,
are
Justin
rosemore
for
the
applicant
and
for
redevelopment
of
this
property,
Steve
Warfield
and
Tanya
bensinger
with
Mattis
Warfield
Consulting
Engineers.
They
are
the
engineering
firm
for
this
project,
Sally
Molina,
the
project
landscape,
architect
with
human
and
roadie,
as
well
as
Ashley
Rowe,
the
project
architect
with
Radcliffe
architects.
A
The
subject
property
is
known
as
the
Milford
Mill
Shopping
Center.
For
many
years,
the
shopping
center
was
anchored
by
a
Giant
grocery
store
in
2018.
The
giant
store
closed,
its
operations
on
the
property
and
the
tenants
base
has
remained
vacant
and
unused.
Since
that
time,
in
January
of
2020
councilman
Julian
Jones
hosted
a
town
hall
style
meeting
that
was
well
attended
by
over
100
people
from
surrounding
communities
who
lived
in
the
area.
A
Mr
rosemore
had
embarked
on
an
exhaustive
search
with
his
real
estate
brokers
to
locate
a
grocery
store.
However,
at
that
time
no
will,
in
grocery
store,
was
found
in
January
of
2021.
The
property
owner
secured
an
approved
development
plan
to
redevelop
the
property
with
two
multi-tenant
commercial
buildings,
A
Royal
Farms
store
with
fuel
pump
islands
and
a
rollover
car
wash
this.
That
approved
development
plan
is
shovel
ready
today
it
does
not
include
a
grocery
store
as
part
of
it.
At
that
time
the
project
was
not
subject
to
review
by
the
design
review
panel.
A
However,
Mr
rosemore
and
his
design
team
back
then
had
extensive
dialogue
with
staff
for
the
planning
department
to
ensure
that
site
design,
layout
Building
architecture
and
pedestrian
connectivity
were
optimized
on
the
site.
After
approval
of
that
original
plan,
Mr
rosemore
made
a
second
attempt
to
locate
a
new
grocery
store
that
could
become
part
of
the
Redevelopment
of
this
Shopping
Center
in
a
joint
effort
with
the
county
executive's
office
as
well
as
councilman
Jones,
and
they
were
able
to
locate
a
grocery
store
interested
in
this
location.
A
The
proposed
new
grocery
store-
that's
part
of
the
package
this
evening
is
known
as
Grocery
Outlet.
It's
a
national
grocery
store
chain
with
over
500
locations
nationwide.
So
we
are
here
tonight
to
present
an
alternate
Redevelopment
plan
for
Milford
Mill
Shopping
Center,
for
your
review.
That
includes
Grocery
Outlet.
C
To
get
this
right,
there
we
go
okay,
so,
as
you
see
on
the
screen,
this
is
the
design
review
panel
package
first
plan
to
existing
conditions
plan.
It
shows
the
surrounding
roads.
The
site
is
marked
in
red,
it's
five
acres
on
the
northwest
corner
of
Liberty
Road
and
Milford
Mill,
Road
and
I
guess:
I
know
you
guys
have
already.
The
panel
is
already
seen
this
package
I
just
want
to
go
through
it
quickly.
So
I
guess
we'll
go
to
the
next
page.
C
C
We
go
so
like
here's
a
this
is
a
picture
that
shows
the
existing
site
on
the
left.
There's
a
there's
about
72
000
square
feet
of
existing
space
with
the
groceries,
the
the
vacant
grocery
store
space,
making
up
the
majority
of
that
about
61
000
square
feet,
and
that's
on
the
left
side
of
the
side
you
can
see.
There
are
really
no
trees.
C
The
entire
site
is
impervious
right
now,
there's
an
Urgent
Care
building
on
the
North
part
of
the
site
and
they're
a
liquor
store
and
a
nail
place,
and
a
laundromat
on
this
on
the
along
Liberty
Road
and
on
the
right
side
of
this
sheet
is
the
proposed
layout.
So
there
are
two
there's
there's
one
proposed
entrance
on
Liberty
Road.
Currently
there
are
two
on
Liberty
Road
they're.
C
There
are
two
proposed
entrances
on
Milford
Mill
Road.
Currently
there
are
two
on
Milford
Mill
Road
and
the
Royal
Farm
Store
is
oriented
with
the
front
facing
Milford,
Mill
Road
and
the
the
gas
pumps
are
in
front
of
it.
There
are
six
multi-product
dispensers
on
that
on
on
underneath
the
canopy
and
then
there's
a
car
wash
behind
the
Royal
Farm
Store
on
the
left
side.
C
C
And
this
is
a
plan
that,
just
for
the
everybody's
knowledge,
the
plant
on
the
left
is
the
plan.
That's
currently
approved
that
has
the
two
retail
buildings
in
the
back
of
the
site
and
the
Royal
Farms
was
originally
oriented
towards
Liberty
Road,
with
the
gas
canopy
in
the
front
and
then
the
plane
on
the
right
is
the
plan
that's
proposed
today
with
the
grocery
outlet
and
the
Royal
Farm
Store
rotated
90
degrees,
to
face
Milford,
Mill
Road
and
go
to
the
next
plan.
C
And
this
is
a
prospective
aerial
view
of
the
existing
building.
Again,
you
can
see
there's
virtually
no
Landscaping
on
site.
It's
just
about
just
a
big
open
parking
lot.
The
there
is
a.
There
is
a
big
great
difference
between
Milford
Mill
Road
and
the
existing
finish
floor.
It's
about
seven,
the
finished
floor
of
the
existing
buildings
about
seven
and
a
half
feet
lower
than
Milford
Mill
Road
and
the
back
corner
of
the
site.
All
the
way
behind
is
almost
20
feet,
lower
than
Milford
Mill
Road.
C
So
we
have
some
constraints
to
work
with
as
part
of
the
development
project.
The
front
part
of
this
building
is
being
removed
and
the
back
part
of
the
building
is
remaining
a
few.
The
slabs
some
of
the
roof
and
the
northern
wall
and
the
Western
Wall
are
remaining
and
the
Grocery
Outlet
and
the
retail
building
are
going
to
be
they're
going
to
be
rebuilt
in
that
space.
Basically,
so
we're
we're
dealing
with
the
existing
conditions
on
the
site.
So,
let's
go
to
the
next
page.
C
This
page
and
the
next
the
following
few
pages-
this
is
a
this
is
a
plan
view
that
shows
the
location
of
pictures
that
we're
taking
of
the
surrounding
uses.
I
think
we
can
go
through
this
unless
somebody
wanted
to
go
through
it,
we
can.
We
can
kind
of
skip
through
this,
but
there's
pictures
of
there's
different
locations.
Little
numbers
on
the
bottom
right
of
each
picture
corresponds
with
the
red
numbers
on
the
plan.
C
I
think
we
can
just
go
through
those.
This
is
a
landscape
plan.
Miss
Molina,
we'll
talk
in
detail
about
the
landscape
plan.
A
little
bit
later.
We
have
a
full-size
copy
that
we
can
zoom
in
on
the
the
layout
of
the
site.
As
I
was
mentioning
about
the
grades.
C
The
entrance
on
Milford
Mill
Road,
coming
in
the
most
northern
entrance,
is
an
existing
entrance
into
the
shopping
center
and
it
has
about
11
grade
in
the
parking
lot.
As
I
said,
it
slopes
about
seven
and
a
half
feet
down
to
the
building,
and
we
put
the
we
we
put
an
island
in
there,
so
we
could
go
around
and
make
up
some
of
that
grade.
C
Difference
to
provide
a
flatter
parking
area,
knowing
that
grocery
stores
generally
like
to
have
a
flatter
area
that
I
want
carts
rolling
away,
and
you
can
see
there's
also
landscape
Islands
in
here
I.
Think,
if
I
think
we've
increased
the
decrease
the
impervious
area
by
about
25
000
square
feet
from
the
existing
condition
and
I
guess
we'll
go
to
the
next
page.
C
This.
These
are
some
sections
and
they
were
marked
on
that
previous
plan,
a
section
through
the
Royal
Farms
store
AAA
in
the
front
of
the
site,
from
Milford
Mill
towards
the
west
and
same
orientation,
section
BB
for
the
grocery
outlet
and
then
another
section
CC
from
kind
of
a
view
from
Milford
Mill
Road
looking
into
the
site.
So
we
can
get
to.
C
C
D
C
C
These
are
the
Slate
amenities,
the
trash
cans
on
the
top
bike,
rack
typical
u-shaped
bike,
rack,
the
bench
and
the
crosswalks
are
proposed
to
be
stamped
asphalt,
Ryan,
Bond,
red
crosswalk,
those
are
the
on-site
crosswalks,
the
public
crosswalk,
the
public
entrances
are
required
to
be
concrete
per
the
jurisdictions,
so
they
wouldn't
the
public.
The
public
entrances
would
not
be
asphalt
stamp,
but
all
the
on-site
crosswalks
would
be
next
page.
Please
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Ashley.
E
E
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
we
can
look
at
some
validations
and
we
really
pull
off
from
the
Liberty
Road
guidelines.
Looking
at
the
warm
colors
contemporary
materials
variation
and
textures
roof
lines
Gables,
so
we
kind
of
sick
with
the
traditional
stone
or
the
traditional
brick.
We
have
the
stone
water
table,
warm,
yellow,
already
playing
siding
lots
of
metal,
awnings,
canopies
red
accents,
and
you
can
kind
of
flip
through
the
next
few
elevations,
showing
all
sides.
E
E
You
can
see
our
entry
Gable
entry
vestibule,
the
seating
on
the
exterior
and
in
the
next
slide,
we'll
show
I
believe
the
car
wash
building
so
again
we're
kind
of
playing
off
the
same
materials
that
traditional
brick,
warm,
colors,
storefront
glazing,
just
adding
different
interests
to
this.
This
car
wash
building
with
a
gable
roof
move
forward.
I
think
we
have
our.
E
We
have
our
fuel
canopies,
so
we
have
kind
of
pulling
that
same
material.
We
have
our
stone
at
the
base
is
here
adding
more
interests
and
our
deep
trust
is
kind
of
playing
with
the
Gable
back
on
the
convenience
store.
E
E
If
we
move
forward,
we
can
look
at
the
elevations
and
we
do
play
with
the
same
kind
of
pulling
the
same
materials
to
kind
of
bring
Unity
across
the
site.
We
have
that
same
Stone
water
table
as
we
had
on
the
convenience
store,
we're
using
the
material
palettes
for
grocery
outlets
and
we're
choosing
the
warmer
gray
tones
to
keep
with
the
Liberty
Road
guidelines.
E
You
have
the
red
accents
again
that
ties
across
the
entire
site.
Storefront
glazing,
we've
made
sure
to
kind
of
have
an
entry,
that's
very
open
and
inviting
to
the
public.
E
You
can
move
forward,
I
think
you'll
have
the
sides
of
the
building
as
well
and
again
we're
reusing
a
lot
of
the
existing
materials
from
the
original
grocery
store
see
here.
These
are
our
dumpster
enclosures
kind
of
on
the
back
side.
Again,
just
pulling
the
same
colors
metal
gates
for
the
for
the
dumpster
enclosures.
E
E
So
for
lighting,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
just
you
know:
energy,
efficient,
LED
fixtures,
modern,
look
site.
C
I
can
I
can
jump
back
in
here,
real
quick.
These
are
some
details
of
the
MTA
bus,
shelter
along
Liberty
Road.
There
was
an
existing
bus,
stop
there
and
some
benches
and
during
the
development
process
for
the
currently
approved
Clan,
we
and
the
developer
had
work
with
MTA
to
come
to
an
agreement,
and
they
this
is
the
the
plan
and
they
agreed
to
agreed
up
on
bus.
C
Stop
it's
a
it's
a
standard,
MTA
bus,
stop
and
the
location
and
amusement,
and
the
agreement
has
all
been
finalized
to
include
this
on
the
on
the
project.
E
Next,
we
get
into
the
signage
on
site,
everything
you
know
just
remains
code
compliant
our
Royal
Farms
signs,
directional
signs
on
site.
If
we
flip
through
I,
believe
we
have
our
car
wash
signage
as
well
fairly
standard
directing
people
on
site
for
Grocery
Outlet.
We
have
you
know
signage
selected
to
be
to
the
scale
of
the
building
the
standard.
It's
all
face,
lit
signage.
E
E
And
then
last
we
have
just
a
few
renderings
to
show
kind
of
perspectives
on
the
site.
This
is
on
on
Milford
Milford,
Mill
Road
and
the
Liberty
Road
intersection,
just
showing
kind
of
what
you
would
see
with
this
development.
F
C
Yes,
it
was,
it
was
a
it
was.
We
had
submitted
full-size
copies
of
the
development
plans
and
the
landscape
plan,
and
she
had
a.
B
G
Hi
I'm
Sally
Molina
with
human
and
Roadie
Landscape
Architects.
The
plan
was
done
to
meet
Baltimore
County
standards
and
also
the
Liberty
Road
design
guidelines.
Obviously,
there
are
Street
trees.
There
are
shrubs
to
screen
the
parking
areas
along
the
streets
and
also
all
the
automotive
use,
there's
interior
trees
actually
on
the
Liberty
Road
guidelines,
the
interior
planting
is
10
rather
than
seven
percent,
like
the
multiple
account
County
standards.
So
it's
a
bit
more
and
we've
exceeded
that
so
there's
plenty
of
interior
Green
Space
on
the
site.
G
The
other
thing
that
was
kind
of
unique
about
Liberty
Road
design
guidelines
is
the
concern
about
pollen
and
the
trees.
So
this
is,
we
had
an
approved
landscape
plan,
but
now
that,
with
this
revised
plan
and
by
the
way,
the
revised
plan,
the
only
thing
that
is
those
straight
trees-
all
that
is
pretty
much
the
same.
There
was
just
some
difference
in
the
back
of
the
site
where
there's
an
a
proposed
storm
drain
that
I
could
put
put
trees
in,
but
with
the
pollen
issue,
I
done
a
little
bit
of
research.
G
It
looks
like
black,
maybe
lindens
and
for
some
reason,
October
Glory,
red
Maples.
All
the
maples
and
Oaks
are
the
worst,
but
October
Glory
red
Maples
seem
to
be
okay.
Understory
trees
could
be
crepe,
crape,
myrtles
or
Red
Buds.
G
G
Dumpster
by
the
gas
station,
is
properly
screened.
As
Steve
said,
the
grade
change
between
the
road
and
where
the
dumpster
location
is
in
the
back
the
site.
There's
a
big
gray
change.
It's
a
lot
lower,
so
there
wasn't
any
place
to
put
screening
there,
but
it
has.
You
saw
the
retaining
the
wall
that
surrounds
dumpsters.
G
I
think
that's
about
it!
On
this
plan,
you
can
see
a
little
bit
better
where
the
sidewalks
come
in
to
the
site,
they're
ones
coming
in,
where
to
the
grocery
store
another
one's
coming
in
and
going
across,
where
the
car
washes
to
the
convenience
store.
G
F
Okay
and
I'm
guessing
that
concludes
the
presentation
for
the
applicant
correct.
Okay,
let's
see
heads
nodding
so
move
on
to
the
staff
report,
so
Marta,
if
you
would
and
then
of
course,
as
we
have
in
the
preceding
there's
anything
in
particular
in
the
staff
report
that
you
have
additional
information
or
one
to
address.
The
applicant
will
have
the
floor
again
briefly
to
address
that
before
we
move
on
to
commuting
comments.
If
any.
H
H
H
Compliant
number
two
provide
a
circulation
diagram
that
clearly
shows
both
pedestrian
and
vehicle
circulation
throughout
the
site
and
then
see
see
it
because
Car
Wash
is
located
too
close
to
Liberty
Road
considerably
relocating
the
car
wash
farther
from
Liberty
Road
and
More,
in
line
with
the
back
of
the
convenience
store,
provide
information
on
the
number
of
stacking
spaces
are
that
are
required
for
the
car
wash
also
clarify
the
proposed
vehicle
circulation
for
the
car
wash
as
proposed.
The
maneuverability
of
cars
to
queue
up
for
the
car
wash
entrance
appears
difficult
form.
H
An
image
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
forming
image,
open
space
and
landscape
design
staff
recommends
approval,
open
space
elements
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
provides
and
label
on
the
plan:
amenity,
open
space
areas
within
the
proposed
development,
clearly
label
all
proposed
amenities
and
the
site
plan
such
as
benches
bike,
racks,
Street
furniture,
trash
receptacles
and
all
other
proposed
amenities,
ccmdp
Pages,
106
and
131,
and
Liberty
Road
design
guidelines.
Page
11.
H
number
two
loading
in
service
areas
for
the
Royal
Farms
should
be
labeled
on
the
plan
and
physically
screened
and
landscaped
number
three.
It
is
the
understanding
of
the
Departments
that
the
developer
has
made
a
commitment
to
provide
a
Gateway
sign
in
public
art
on
the
property
most
likely
at
the
corner
area
of
Melbourne,
Mill
and
Liberty
roads.
H
This
will
involve
a
community
process.
The
allocation
should
be
identified
on
the
plan.
State
parking
and
circulation
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
streets,
parking
and
circulation
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
provide
number
one
provide
a
circulation
diagram
that
clearly
shows
both
potassium
every
vehicle
circulation
throughout
the
site.
Number
two,
the
proposed
Car
Wash,
is
located
too
close
to
Liberty
Road.
Consider
relocating
the
car
wash
party
from
Liberty,
Road
and
More
in
line
with
the
back.
H
H
The
project
should
meet
all
applicable
design
guidelines
outlined
in
the
complete
streets,
design
manual,
created
on
the
following
website
link
and
then
at
last
comment
for
the
street
parking
and
circulations
number
five
details
to
be
provided
and
labeled
on
the
plan
for
the
proposed
trips
crosswalks
throughout
the
parking
lots
to
the
front
entrances
of
the
proposed
buildings
and
in
terms
of
signage
and
lighting
staff,
recommends
approval
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
all-time
must
comply
with
Section
450
of
the
bccr
number.
Two,
only
one
freestanding
sign
is
permit
per
Frontage.
H
H
Milford
Mill
and
Liberty
Road.
This
will
involve
a
community
process.
The
nutrition
and
Architectural.
This
topic
men's
approval,
subject
to
the
conditions
number
one:
the
rooftop
equipment
and
the
screening
details
should
be
shown
and
labeled
on
the
plan
number
two:
the
proposed
building
lighting
details
should
be
shown
and
labeled
on
the
building.
Elevations-
and
this
concludes
the
stuff
or
think
is
actually.
F
Thank
you
Marta
and
for
the
applicant
team.
If
there
are
any
particular
items
that
you've
already
prepared
exhibits
for
that
address.
Some
of
the
comments
please
bring
those
up,
no
need
to
go
back
through
the
you
know,
the
the
presentation
in
full.
C
Yep
and
that's
what
that's
what
Marta
has
here
on
the
on
the
screen?
So
we've
listed
the
comments
on
left
with
the
responses,
and
you
know
the
comment
about
the
Ada
accessible
sidewalks.
All
the
sidewalks
on
the
site
are
80
accessible.
All
the
routes
in
between
the
buildings
are,
you
know,
five
percent
or
less
grades
and
wherever
there's
a
curb
ramp,
they
go
up
to
eight.
They
could
go
up
to
eight
point
three:
three
percent
grade.
C
There
is
a
a
chat,
a
slight
challenge
with
the
with
the
slopes
along
Milford
Mill
Road,
as
I
was
saying,
like
the
the
Milford
Mill
Road
elevation,
even
even
the
Urgent
Care
building
is
about
seven
feet
lower
than
Milford
Mill
Road.
So
it's
tough
to
make
a
connection
over
in
that
area
without
having
steps
and
the
developer
would
prefer
not
to
have
a
set
of
steps
in
that
location.
C
We
could
provide
steps
and
and
make
the
connection
from
the
Urgent
Care
building
to
Milford
Mill
Road
physically,
but
we
would
prefer
not
to,
but
the
other
connections
are
you
know
all
there
to
the
public
roads?
One
of
the
comments-
I-
don't
know
if
it's
one
of
these
comments
on
this
sheet
the,
but
the
second
comment
was
related
to
The
Pedestrian
and
the
vehicular
circulation
on
the
site
and
the
We've
added
the
directional
flow
hours.
C
The
car
wash
Entry
Road
is
one
way
and
the
Car
Wash
bypass
lane
is
one
way
and
they
both
are
one
way
towards
Milford
Mill
towards
Liberty
Road
and
there's
a
section
behind
the
existing
Grocery
Store,
where
the
existing
driveway
is
only
14
feet
wide.
So
that
is
a
one-way
direction
to
the
north.
C
The
dumpster
trucks
will
access
the
dumpsters
from
the
north
side
of
that
building,
and
the
blue
on
here
is
the
that's
a
that's,
an
ashto
passenger
vehicle
driving
into
the
car
wash
Lanes
the
car
wash
stacking
lanes
and,
as
you
guys
probably
all
know,
these
ashtoe
vehicles
are
very,
very
conservative
because
they
want
to
make
sure
that
the
you
know
the
biggest
passenger
vehicle
and
the
worst
turning
radius
you
could
have
can
make
the
turns.
C
So
they
there's
two
lanes
going
into
the
car
wash
and
the
comment
about
the
car
wash
being
too
close
to
Liberty
Road.
We
had
already
pushed
the
car
wash
back
as
far
from
Liberty
Road,
as
we
can
and
still
being
able
to
provide
the
stacking
so
that
we
actually
have
a
double
stacking
Lane.
There's
a
requirement
in
the
code
that
the
entrance
to
the
car
wash
be
single
file,
which
makes
sense
it's
a
single.
You
know
single
Lane,
Car
Wash,
but
we
have
a
double
wide
stacking
Lane.
C
So
we
have
nine
nine
stacking
spaces
required
behind
the
order
border
behind
the
transaction
station
and
we
basically
have
we
that
we
need
this
much
room
to
get
the
nine
parking
spaces.
We've
set
the
car
wash
back
from
it's
it's
behind
the
canopy
a
little
bit
and
it's
also
behind
the
adjacent
Taco
Bell
building,
which
is
on
the
left.
C
So
this
is
this.
Was
our
plan
to
address
the
those
three
comments
and
then
the
next
plan
I
believe
had
some
similar.
We
can
go
to
the
next
sheet.
Some
of
the
some
of
the
comments
were
again
repeated:
the
circulation
diagram.
Again,
that's
number
one.
That's
on
here.
C
The
car
wash
was
number
two
same
comment,
but
can
we
go
back
to
that
sheet?
Real,
quick
yeah
and
then
that
was
number
three
there?
Can
we
go
back
to
that?
Mark,
real,
quick,
okay,
we'll
get!
Let's
we'll
stay
here!
That's
fine!
Okay!
C
Let's
go
back
to
the
development
plan
with
the
red
yeah
there
you
go
okay,
so
the
the
amenity
areas
on
the
plan-
we've
labeled,
those
and
we've
also
labeled
the
locations
of
the
benches
and
added
the
bench
locations
to
the
plans
and
the
bike
racks
where
they
weren't
on
the
plans.
C
So
they
all
those
the
trash
cans,
the
benches
the
bikes
haven't
been
put
are
sharing
with
labels
in
all
these
areas
and
the
art
feature
the
developer
is
going
to
work
with
the
community
on
is
at
the
entrance
to
Milford
Mill
Road,
the
southern
entrance
on
Milford
Mill
Road,
that's
kind
of
where
the
most
level
you
know
suitable
area
would
be
for
an
arc
feature.
C
The
the
MTA
bus
shelter
is
labeled
down
there
along
Liberty
Road,
and
then
we
labeled
a
potential
Gateway
sign
location
at
the
corner
of
the
site.
We
definitely
need
to
study
this
in
more
detail
and
work
with
the
community
to
make
sure
that
we
can
get
assigned
to
work
there
with
the
site
distance.
C
There's
a
there's,
a
site,
distance
triangle
at
the
corner,
where
we
can't
put
signs
in
and
then
also
we
were
talking
trying
to
figure
out
what
category
of
sign
this
may
fall
under
and
whether
it
would
be
on
the
development
side
or
in
the
public
right-of-way.
So
there's
some
questions
there
of
how
we
can
do
that,
and
we
were
also
looking
at
the
the
Liberty
Road
corridor
plan
and
we
weren't
100
sure
that
this
is
actually
the
Gateway.
C
This
may
be
more
towards
the
middle
of
the
study
area,
but
we
would
we'll
definitely
work
with
the
community
to
try
to
figure
that
out
and
the
loading
area
is
on
the
development
plan
for
the
Royal
Farm
Store
in
the
loading
area
for
the
grocery
stores
in
the
back.
But
there's
a
loading
space.
That's
already
labeled,
it's
in
the
front,
actually
the
trucks
that
lower
these
Royal
Farm
Stores.
C
We
have
to
provide
a
loading
space
and
show
it
on
the
plans,
and
we
show
that
we
show
that
on
the
front
area
there
and
Miss
Molina
said
it's
she's,
landscaped
and
screened
the
area,
there's
a
bunch
of
extra
trees
and
things
in
that
area,
but
they
also
will
more
than
likely
load
at
the
back
of
the
store
as
well.
C
The
driveway
is
30
feet
wide
and
we
have
a
22
foot
wide
two-way
traffic
requirement,
so
the
22
foot
wide
driveway,
which
leaves
us
eight
feet
along
the
curb
line
along
the
back
of
the
building
for
them
for
somebody
to
load
there
as
well,
and
they
also
have
things
like
grease
that
they
collect
and
containers
and
and
then
they
would
take
that
into
a
truck
out
the
back
door.
Also,
what
else
do
we
have
on
here?
C
Let's
see
sign
the
loading
certain
areas,
I
think
that's
it
public
art
and
the
Gateway
sign.
Okay,
let's
go
to
the
next
page.
If
we
can
please.
C
Yep
right
there
so
again
the
the
it
was
a
repeat
of
some
of
the
previous,
the
provide
the
circulation
diagram.
Again,
that's
on
here
and
the
the
car
wash
being
too
close
with
Liberty
Road
and,
like
I
said,
we
tried
to
we've
already
pushed
it
back.
As
far
as
we
feel
like
we
can.
C
There
was
a
comment
about
additional
provide
additional
sidewalks
on
each
side
of
their
Pro's
entrance,
driveways
the
if
I
start
with
the
Milford
Mill
Drive
by
the
furthest,
North
driveway,
as
I
said
before.
There's
a
big
grade
difference
there,
so
that
driveway
has
about
11
grade
as
you
come
into
the
site.
So
it's
not
really
suitable
for
sidewalks.
It's
too
steep
coming
into
the
site
in
that
area
and
we've
basically
come
into
the
site.
C
And
then,
if
we
look
at
the,
if
you
look
at
the
development
plan,
there's
grades
on
the
development
plan,
but
the
road
splits-
and
we
have
that
Island
right
in
front
of
where
we're
making
up
a
whole
bunch
of
grade,
and
we
actually
have
a
retaining
wall
on
the
southern
part
of
that
Island
on
planned,
South
part
of
the
island.
So
basically
we're
going
around
this
island
and
trying
to
go
down
to
flatten
out
the
grades
on
the
site.
C
And
then,
if
we
go
down
to
the
next
entrance
to
Milford
Mill
next
Milford
Mill
entrance,
we
have
a
sidewalk
on
the
one
side
of
the
entrance.
On
the
other
side
of
the
entrance
again,
the
grades
are
fairly
steep
there
coming
into
the
site
and
if
we
were
to
cut,
if
we
were
to
somehow
try
to
figure
out
how
to
get
a
sidewalk
in
there,
then
we'd
have
to
go
across
the
driveway
and
into
the
little
the
small
landscape.
Island.
C
There's
a
there's,
a
six
foot
landscape
aisle
in
there
on
the
side
of
the
canopy,
because
the
zoning
regulations
require
us
to
have
a
10-foot
landscape
transition
area
along
the
public
roads
and
six
foot
landscape
transition
areas
along
the
sides
and
back
of
the
car
wash
and
the
road
and
the
gas
station.
So
we
would
basically
put
a
sidewalk
right
through
that
landscape,
Island
and
then
there
wouldn't
there
wouldn't
be
any
room
for
landscaping.
C
We
do
put
sidewalks
in
the
landscape
transition
areas
all
the
time
because
they
have
to
go
through
them
to
get
in
and
out
of
the
site,
but
that
would
basically
eliminate
the
Landscaping
on
the
side
there
and
we
don't
feel
that's
the
safest
condition
to
come
across
there
with
two
crosswalks
right
at
the
main
entrance
points
to
the
gas
canopies,
and
then
we
did
in
fact
add
another
sidewalk
on
the
right
side
of
the
Liberty
Road
entrance
figuring
that
the
planning
office
was
100
right
about
that.
The
we
have
the
bus,
stop
there.
C
That's
that
little
bump
out-
and
you
know
people
are
going
to
be
getting
in
and
on
and
off
of
the
bus
either
coming
to
or
from
the
Royal
Farm
Store,
and
there
should
be
a
sidewalk
in
that
island.
So
we
have
one
on
either
side.
We
don't
the
sidewalk
on
the
left.
C
Side
is
not
at
the
corner,
because
there's
a
water
meter
there
and
there's
some
overhead
there's
some
overhead
poles
and
some
guy
wires
and
things
like
that
in
that
area,
which
basically
make
us
put
the
sign
the
freestanding
sign
in
that
particular
location.
C
And
then
the
handicap
ramps
along
Liberty
Road
slope
up
for
12
or
14
feet
or
whatever
it
is
from
the
bottom
of
you
know
from
the
from
the
bottom
of
depressed,
curb
up
to
the
top
of
the
ramp,
and
it
would
put
the
sidewalk
right
near
where
the
Landscaping
the
base
Landscaping
would
be
around
the
sign.
So
we
still
kept
the
sun.
We
kept
the
sidewalk
on
the
left
side
of
the
road
closer
to
the
left
property
line
there.
C
So
we
do
have
the
sidewalks
on
both
sides
there
and
then
the
projects
just
made
all
applicable
design
guidelines
outlined
in
the
complete
streets,
design
manual
and
I
mean
we've
written
it
all
down.
There
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
everything
here,
but
we
have
met
most
of
those
requirements.
C
The
the
one
thing
that
we
that
we
really
can't
meet
on
this
site
is
the
bicycle
Lanes
along
the
streets,
the
when
we
went
through
the
process.
The
first
time
we
have,
we
got,
we
got
a
state
highway
access
permit
and
the
state
highway
didn't
require
us
to
do
any
more
widening
we
have
to.
C
We
had
to
do
right-of-way
widening
for
Baltimore
County
along
Milford,
Mill
Road,
but
no
Road
widening
so
that
they
basically
determined
the
roads
were
to
the
ultimate
right-of-way
and
we
would
be
perfectly
willing
to
put
up
share
the
road
signs
and
that
has
been
a
compromise
on
other
jobs
where
we
put
up
bicycle
share
of
the
road
signs
to
help
with
the
bicycle
compatibility
and
details
should
be
provided
on
the
striped
crosswalks
yeah.
The
details
for
the
striped
crossworks
are
on
page
15
of
this
presentation
and
they're.
C
Also
on
page
three
of
the
development
plan
and
as
I
said
before,
all
the
on-site
sidewalks
are
going
to
have
that
stamped
Asphalt,
Red
Brick
running
bond
pattern,
but
the
public
road
entrances
are
going
to
have
to
be
concrete
entrances
per
the
county
standards
and
the
state
standards
and
I
think
that
might
conclude
it.
Let
me
see
what
the
next
page
is:
we're
going
to
get
into
architecture
next,
I
believe
I.
A
A
If,
if,
if
you
look
at
the
front
facade
of
the
grocery
store
tenant
space,
there's
more
there's
more
than
one
sign
on
that
facade,
you
see
a
grocery
store
outlet,
but
you
also
see
four
other
signs
along
with
it.
That
requires
a
variance
in
terms
of
the
overall
number
of
signs
allowed
on
that
tenant
space
within
a
multi-tenant
building,
as
well
as
there's
also
a
grocery
store
outlet
on
the
side
facade,
and
that
requires
the
variance
as
well.
A
So
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
variances
are
going
to
be
required
there
and
we'll
be
addressing
that.
That's
the
full
package
of
signage
that
Grocery
Outlet
requires
in
order
to
open
and
I,
then
I
wanted
to
address
one
other
comment
made
about
three
signs
being
proposed
along
the
frontages.
A
The
comment
does
accurately
state
that
you
can
have
one
sign
per
Frontage,
however,
that
that
relates
to
the
Joint
identification
signs,
and
we
only
have
two
of
those.
We
have
two
joint
identification
signs
that
that
display
tenant
names
on
them,
one
on
each
Frontage
there's
also
a
there
is
a
third
freestanding
sign.
It's
not
a
joint
ID
sign
that
displays
fuels
fuel,
different
fuel
pricing,
that's
required
by
state
law.
That
area
is
exempt
from
the
sign
regulations,
and
it's
not
a
third
joint
ID
sign.
A
We
thought
it
best
from
a
design
perspective
and
standpoint
to
put
it
there
in
that
location
rather
than
to
raise
up
one
of
these
nice
ground-mounted
joint
ID
signs
higher
up
in
the
air,
maybe
twice
as
tall
as
as
they're
proposed
I
think
they're
at
14
feet
each.
So
those
are
the
reasons
why
the
signage
is
laid
out
in
that
kind
of
program
and
I
just
wanted
to
explain
that.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
F
Understood,
thank
you,
okay,
so
I
think
very
good
and
so
I
think
we
are
at
the
point
where
we
can
move
on
to
I.
F
E
Sorry
I
didn't
just
want
to
address.
There
is
a
couple.
There
is
a
comment
on
rooftop
unit
screening
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
speak
to
that
really
quickly.
Basically,
here
you
can
see
what
we've
done
taking
our
3D
model.
You
can
basically
stand
where
someone
would
be
on
the
site
at
the
appropriate
grading
and
see
the
perspective
that
you
would
see
the
building.
So
we've
placed
eight
foot
tall
rooftop
units
further
back
so
that
from
perspectives
you
won't
be
able
to
see
them
just
with
the
building
parapet
Heights.
E
So
we
won't
really
necessarily
need
screening.
They
will
be
away
from
sight
and
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
they've
done
the
same
thing
with
the
Royal
Farms
looked
at
the
grading
and
analyzed,
you
know
that
you
won't
be
able
to
see
the
rooftop
equipment
on
top
just
based
on
the
parapet,
Heights
and
then
I
believe.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slides,
there
had
been
a
comment
to
address
the
lighting
that
was
on
the
on
the
building
elevation.
E
So
we
went
ahead
and
just
labeled
the
wall
sconces
that
are
mainly
along
that
front
elevation
there.
You
can
see
four
wall
sconces
bottom
bottom
elevation,
and
then
we
also
have
two
additional
renderings
just
to
give
you
a
better
perspective,
looking
at
the
grocery
store
off
on
Milford,
Mill
Road
and
then
one
more
at
the
intersection
again
slightly
higher
view
angle,
so
that
you
can
see
all
the
way
back
through
to
that
site.
E
F
Good,
no
I
think
it's
very
helpful
to
have
those
additional
exhibits
because
I
know
I
at
least
checked
off
three
things:
four
things
on
my
list
of
comments
with
those
additional
responses.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
open
it
up
and
let's
see
we'll
just
start
with
Kelly,
to
launch
us
off.
F
H
J
J
The
problem
related
to
the
design
is
that
we
have
prevailing
Westerly
winds
and,
with
the
grade
that
you've
already
discussed,
Without
Really,
elaborate,
venting
and
chimneys
on
the
top
of
the
Royal
Farm
building
air
pollution
that
would
normally
be
going
over.
My
roof
will
now
be
coming
in
my
front
door.
J
The
other
thing
that
I
think
people
need
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
there's
kind
of
a
when
air
all
night
Rave
that
operates
behind
Benny
durs
the
cops
that
put
in
their
reports
all
the
time.
That's
why
we
have
drag
races
up
and
down
Liberty
Road
all
night
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
design
has
lighting
and
access
control
sufficient
to
deter
crime
and
make
sure
that
that
rat
circus
doesn't
end
up
over.
Here
because
they
like
the
food
better,
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
I
I
believe
the
second
person
I
have
had
requested
to
speak
is
a
Kathleen
Cheryl,
but
I
think
she's
just
on
here
as
Kathleen.
H
H
K
I
would
like
to
reiterate
the
issue
of
the
gas
station.
One
of
the
concerns
there
is
that
we
currently
have
four
gas
stations
two
on
either
side
of
the
road
along
Liberty,
Road
I,
don't
think
we
need
five
I,
don't
live
immediately,
I'm
in
this
area,
but
not
immediate
immediate
to
this
particular
location.
I
have
an
office
directly
across
the
street
from
the
medical
office.
K
So
the
fact
that
I
agree
that
you
couldn't
find
a
grocery
store
I
struggled
to
understand
why
you
ever
let
the
Giants
go,
because
my
understanding,
after
speaking
with
the
people
at
the
Giants
they
had
just
redecorated
and
they
really
hadn't,
planned
to
go
anywhere
so
I'm
struggling
to
understand
the
lack
of
being
able
to
find
a
grocery
store
other
than
maybe
the
building
was
too
small.
K
And
now
this
building
is
even
smaller.
So
there
is
a
rural
farms
that
offered
road
that
has
all
the
gas
stations
stuff
I.
Don't
know
why
we
need
another
one
right
here
at
Milford
Mill,
which
tends
to
bleed
more
into
a
residential
Community.
The
moment
you
get
off
of
Liberty
Road
and
go
back
in
about
a
block
in
either
direction
you're
in
a
residential
Community.
We
don't
need
that
many
gas
stations,
this
isn't
a
highway,
even
though
it
gets
treated
that
way
being
a
four
lane
road.
K
So,
while
I
applaud
the
Aesthetics
I
applied
the
idea
to
by
saying
that
you
searched
the
owner's
search
for
a
and
found
someone
willing
to
put
a
grocery
store,
I
I
think
that's
great
I
just
have
a
real
problem
with
all
of
this
attraction
of
cars
and
making
this
build
more
Highway
ish
with
more
gas
pricing
and
all
that
on
the
street.
F
Thank
you
Jennifer.
Is
that
anyone
else
nope?
That's
it,
okay,
very
good.
So
thank
you
for
staying
within
the
time
limit
and
giving
the
input
so
Kelly
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
For
the
first
comments.
L
I,
don't
have
many
comments.
I
appreciate
the
additional
information
that
the
design
team
presented
in
respect
to
answering
the
questions
and
yeah
I
mean
it
appears
that
if
they
that
they
answered
the
majority
of
them,
so
I
have
no
further
questions.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
Kelly
Donald,
Khan
I'm
gonna
go
next.
M
Because
I
had
two
thoughts,
one
is
that
the
I'm
not
sure
what
happens
along
the
west
side
of
the
truckloading
area
for
the
grocery
store.
Obviously,
there's
some
grade
there,
so
the
truck
can
back
in.
But
what
happens
along
that
sidewalk,
which
would
be
actually
higher
than
the
truck
drive.
C
That
something
that
you
want
us
to
answer
that
now,
okay,
I,
didn't
know.
If
you
wanted
to
finish
yeah,
there's
a
as
it
does
the
the
the
truck
driveway
drops
down
so
that
you
have
a
four
foot
dock
height.
C
You
know
they
back
into
that
spot
there
and
there's
a
little
notch
on
the
back
there,
where
the
loading
area
is
inside
the
building,
and
there
is
a
wall
there's
an
existing
wall
there,
where
the
that
that
basically
holds
up
the
parking
area.
So
the
parking
area
stays
up
higher
and
the
truck
driveway
drops
down
in
to
get
the
four
foot
dock
height
is.
N
M
The
architectural
elevation,
but
it
needs
to
be
there
too,
and
then
the
other
question
is,
if
folks
are
coming
into
this
site
for
the
car
wash
now
you're,
assuming
that
they're
going
to
follow
where
the
blue
arrows
are.
But
what,
if
they
come
in
directly
behind
the
Royal
Farms,
which
would
be
a
straight
drive
in?
Is
there
some
way
to
modify
that
Island
so
that
folks
have
a
fighting
chance
to
get
back
around
if
they
want
a
car
wash.
C
So
they
would
have
to
go
past
the
Royal
Farm
store
and
then
basically
make
a
U-turn
to
get
into
the
car
wash
stacking
Lane
and
there's
plenty
of
room
for
them
to
do
that
and
the
reason
the
island
is
drawn
as
it
is,
is
because
of
these
great
differences.
So
if
we
were
to
look
at
the
development
plan
you
could
see,
but
there
is
a
big
drop
in
grade
from
where
that
last
parking
space
is
along
the
grocery
outlet
to
where
you
turn
into
the
to
the
the
the
stacking
Lane.
C
So
it
might
drop
I
can't
remember
how
many,
if
we
look
at
the
development
I
can
tell
you
but
I
think
it's
like
four
feet
in
grade
or
something
there
that
it
drops
and
then
the
stacking
Lane
is
relatively
level.
So
we
need
that
Island
to
make
up
the
grade
difference.
If
we
were
to.
If
we
were
to
cut
off
the
corner
of
that
Island,
then
we
can't
make
up
all
the
grade
difference
to
there.
Basically.
F
O
Just
a
couple
of
minor
comments,
the
it
looks
like
the
parking
in
the
Northwest
Corners
proposed
to
remain
seems
like
there's.
I
applaud
the
increase
in
green
space,
but
it
seems
like
there
could
be
an
opportunity
to
restripe
that
and
improve
the
circulation
at
that
corner,
and
then
I
still
would
recommend
the.
O
Can
you
just
outline
or
show
on
the
grading
plan
the
connection
at
the
Urgent
Care
on
street
view.
You
can
see
the
steepest,
but
it
still
seems
like
that
connection
would
want
to
be
made
even
with
a
couple
simple
stairs
to
kind
of
improve
connections
to
from
Milford
Bill
to
the
grocery
store.
Those
are
my
only
two
comments.
P
So
iaco
Mr
Khan
this
island
here
at
the
car
wash
it's
Sunset,
creates
more
problem.
It
creates
a
bigger
turning
radius
for
the
vehicle
entering
into
the
car
wash,
which
may
cause
crashes
accidents
pumping
into
something
or
somebody
it's
the
other
vehicle.
So
that
needs
to
be
looked
into
this
again.
P
N
Sorry
I
just
want
to
get
on
record
I,
guess:
I
I
come
I
drive
in
this
area,
I
guess
once
or
twice
a
month
and
coming
down
Liberty
Road
towards
the
county,
and
you
make
that
right
into
that.
This
development
I'm
telling
you
that
is
is
is
going
to
be
a
a
problem
area.
N
N
N
You
know
have
have
a
have
a
blow
up
of
this
area,
so
we
can
really
understand
this
and
the
Dynamics
of
what
is
going
to
happen
here.
I
I,
I
kind
of
think
that
car
wash
building
needs
to
move
back
some
because
it's
you
know,
there's
just
too
much
egress
and
happening
here.
You
know
the
ins
and
outs
of
vehicles
is.
Is
this
is
a
problem
Point?
N
So
we
really?
You
really
need
to
re-study
this
area.
N
N
So
you
know
that's
just
a
general
comment.
I'm
making
about
you
know
the
the
need
or
or
want
for
this
particular
item
on
that
site.
N
Now
go
to
the
grocery
outlet,
I
I,
guess
just
looking
I'm
flipped,
I'm
I'm,
I
kind
of
highlighted
that
particular
page
I,
don't
I,
I,
guess,
looking
at
the
Royal
Farm
and
then
looking
at
the
Urgent
Care
there's
there
seems
to
be
some
type
of
cohesion
there.
I
really
don't
feel
it
on
this
building
when
I.
Now,
when
I
looked
at
it,
it's
a
rendering
that
use.
N
You
showed
us
a
few
minutes
ago
that
there
was
a
light
gray
for
the
general
body
of
of
the
of
the
building
and
that
water
table
base
seems
like
it
went
up
four
to
five
feet
as
opposed
to
what
I'm,
seeing
as
a
as
a
two
foot
height.
N
You
know,
so
it
really
expressed
a
much
better
design
on
your
rendering
than
on
these
elevations
I
I
find
this
elevations
real
drab.
You
know
it's
almost
like
a
warehouse
pallet
as
opposed
to
an
upcoming
grocery
Market.
N
N
I
I
agree
wholeheartedly
with
the
comment
that
Donald
Carr
made
about
the
that
wall,
the
the
sidewalk
that's
adjacent
to
the
the
the
the
the
the
the
the
vehicular
access
to
the
building
for
the
service
going
down.
You
know
there
needs
to
be
a
section
through
that,
so
it's
really
clearly
illustrates
to
us
what
is
happening
there
and
and
I
guess
the
last
point:
is
you
indicated
that
you're
keeping
some
of
the
existing
building
I?
N
Don't
I,
just
I,
don't
I'm
not
buying
I,
I,
guess
I'm
not
buying
totally
into
that.
It
just
seems
like
it
all
should
come
down.
But
if
that's
the
case
indicate
on
the
plan
and
and
and
the
elevations
of
where
the
existing
is
to
remain,
I
have
no
clue
it.
I
I
assume
just
looking
at
this-
that
everything
was
going
to
be
knocked
down
and
it's
all
going
to
be
new.
So.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
James.
Just
actually
I
like
to
ask
the
applicant
I
think
they
were
stating
that
the
west
and
North
walls
were
to
remain
of
the
existing
grocery
store
and
was
there
something
else
or
can
you
clarify
that.
E
Yeah,
so
the
those
two
sides
are
to
remain
all
of
the
existing
steel,
the
main
supporting
structure.
All
of
that
remains
as
well.
F
E
That
is
correct
to
at
the
front
the
side
we're
changing
the
the
the
openings.
All
the
apertures
are
new
and
overlapping
with
existing,
so
it
makes
more
sense
for
that
to
be
new
construction.
Okay,.
F
Thanks
for
the
clarification
on
that
point,
so
so
my
comments,
you
know
I
thank
you
for
addressing
the
slope
to
the
Urgent
Care
to
the
Street,
sidewalk
I
do
think
as
I
think
Matt
said,
but
one
of
the
other
panelists.
Nonetheless,
you
know
a
few
steps
there
I
think
is
I.
Think
it's
good
I
feel
like
that's
a
a
disconnect
and
you
know
if
it
steps
has
to
be
steps
great.
F
Maybe
you
can
space
them
out,
so
you
can
avoid
rails,
but
you
know
something
there
or
even
a
rail
wouldn't
be
the.
N
F
The
world
but
I
do
think
that
seems
like
an
odd
misconnection
or
deconnect.
Why
a
question
please
respond
to
this
is
off
of
Milford
Mill.
Why
is
the
entry
off
of
Milford
Mill
so
large?
C
It's
an
ex
it's
an
existing
entrance
and
it
has
a
little
tiny
median
in
the
middle.
So
it's
it's
basically
a
divided
entrance
with
a
small
median,
but
it's
basically
we're
basically
just
tying
into
the
existing
entrance
there.
That's
the
existing
entrance
to
the
shopping
center.
You
might
be
able
to
see
it
on
the
yeah.
F
Yeah
I
mean
my
my
comment
would
be
it's
a
little
confusing
and
probably
would
be
end
up
as
a
free-for-all,
I'd
love
to
see
that
you
know
median
widen.
So
it's
clear
you
enter
on
this
side.
The
exit
on
this
side
lane
markings
to
show
that
you
know
even
a
landscaped
Island
inserted.
There
would
be
wonderful,
I,
don't
know
if
that
you
know
works
with
grades
or
whatnot,
but
I
think
that
would
help
to
move.
You
know
clearly
indicate
where
people
are
to
enter
and
exit
as
well
as
just
take
up.
F
You
know
get
rid
of
some
of
that
wide
throat
surface,
because
people
have
to
cross
on
the
sidewalk
there
as
well,
which
makes
it
a
conflict
for
pedestrians.
So.
B
F
See
number
three
is
yeah.
I
know
they
I
have
no
issue
with
the
Urgent
Care
building
that
has
existing
manufactured
Stone
but
I
believe
on
the
Royal
Farms.
It
is
the
manufactured
Stone,
that's
shown
at
the
base
and
I
would
like
to
encourage
you
to
look
at.
You
know
brick
veneer,
that's
a
little
bit.
F
You
know
that
can
beat
the
ground
that
doesn't
have
to
hover
above
the
ground
is
actually
a
better
material
suited
for
that
is
already
used
on
the
Royal
Farms
building,
so
that
you
don't
have
the
multitude
of
different
material
types
used
on
one
facade.
I
think
you
can
stay
in
the
warm
palette
still
use
a
darker
brick
than
that
other
terracotta
mid-level
brick,
but
to
try
to
have
you
know
on
a
one-story
building.
Three
different
facade
materials
seems
a
bit
extreme
to
me
like
to
see.
F
If
you
can
refine
that
palette
and
go
to
you
know
something
that
isn't
you
know
they
can't
even
meet
the
sidewalk.
There
ifs
I
think
you've
showed
that
just
I
mean
I.
Don't
know
that
the
the
design
guidelines
in
the
area
I
just
this
is
more
for
take.
This
is
not
something
that
you
have
to
respond
to.
I
I
would
always
recommend,
though,
that
you
don't
have
efis
below
10
feet,
especially
in
a
grocery
store.
Where
there's
you
know,
potentially
contact
with
it.
F
I
know
that
you
have
the
stone
or
sorry
I
can't,
remember
it's
the
brick
or
stone
it's
same
comment
would
apply
to
that.
I'd
rather
see
Brick.
If
it's,
if
it's
the
manufactured,
Stone
but
I,
think
it's
problematic,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
it's
you
know
it
might
not
be
in
the
design
guidelines
as
such.
So
if
it
is
ethos
and
that's
what
you
have
planned
like
you
know-
won't
rule
against
that
I.
Thank
you
for
working
through
getting
a
bus,
shelter
in
place.
F
Thank
you
for
providing
those
amenities
working
through
MTA
I
know,
that's
not
always
an
easy
thing
to
do
so,
thanks
for
going
the
extra
mile
there
to
actually
have
a
facility
as
someone
who
rode
trains
and
buses
for
over
17
years,
I
appreciate
when
it's
not
just
a
sign
that
you
have
to
stand,
stand
by
and
hope
that
a
bus
comes
that
there's
something
overhead
and
a
bench
to
sit
on
is
great
so
and
thank
you
for
adding
the
sidewalk
access
there.
F
F
So,
just
one
in
the
last
comment,
I
think
it
shows
best
in
the
the
rendering
that
looks
at
the
intersection
of
Milford
Mill.
F
It's
kind
of
it
looks
yeah
that
one
so
kind
of
in
that
at
the
corner
of
the
intersection.
In
my
mind,
we
could
just
save
some
of
the
impervious
surface
here
and
get
rid
of
I'm
going
to
love,
to
see
a
sidewalk
a
little
bit
pulled
away
from
the
road,
but
I,
don't
think
it
warrants
having
another
sidewalk
in
that
location.
I.
F
Just
can't
imagine
that
there's
going
to
be
that
much
but
I
mean
I'd
love
to
see
pedestrian
circulation
increase,
but
I'd
rather,
you
know,
have
impervious
surface
more
planting
area
there
than
a
redundant
sidewalk.
It
just
doesn't
seem
to
warn
it
and
seems
like
a
waste
of
Hardscape
at
that
site.
So
those
are
my
my
comments.
F
Questions
thanks
for
addressing
those
I
would
just
say
just
as
a
a
note
that
I
know
County
would
like
me
to
mention
we,
you
know
I
know
we
heard
again
some
of
the
comments
from
the
community
about
the
use
about
redundancy.
That's
really
not
under
the
purview
of
of
the
DRP.
It's
not
something
that
we
can
comment
on.
James
I
know
you
mentioned
it.
You
know
that's
out
of
your
own,
not
under
the
DRP
umbrella.
F
That's
just
your
own
observance
observation
rather,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
noted
that
that's
not
something
that
you
know.
Market
demand,
County
zoning
and
other
things
apply.
They
are
not
DRP,
we
don't.
We
don't
look
at
that
through
that
lens.
F
So
with
that
I
think
we
have
I'll
try
to
do
a
recap
at
this
late
hour,
but
again
I
can't
make
a
motion
so
I'm
going
to
ask
you
know
one
of
one
of
my
colleagues
here
on
the
panel
one
of
the
other
members
to
to
kind
of
write
these
down
or
prep,
and
then
we
can.
You
know,
to
make
a
motion
and
move
this
along.
C
F
As
you've
probably
noticed,
I
will
say
the
same
line.
I
said
to
the
other
applicants
previous
applicants.
If
it's
to
add
further
Insight,
respond
to
a
direct
question,
please
respond!
Otherwise,
if
it
goes
into
explanation,
you
know
I'll
probably
cut
you
off,
but
yes,
if
you
can
illuminate.
C
Let
me
take
a
quick
shot
at
it,
okay,
so
there
was
a
question
about
the
back
parking
lot
and
the
the
reconfiguration
of
the
back
parking
lot
and
basically,
the
trucks
that
have
to
go
around
that
corner
need
that
much
space
and
then
also
the
the
trash
trucks
that
are
picking
up
the
trash
from
the
dumpsters
need
to
be
able
to
turn
around
over
there.
C
So
that's
why
there's
so
much
space
in
that
back
corner,
that's
for
the
truck
vehicle,
the
trucks
to
be
able
to
turn
around
and
and
maneuver,
and
then
the
car
wash
question
about
the
exit
from
the
car
wash
and
the
entrance
of
the
car
wash.
We
have
a
requirement
from
obviously
from
the
county
to
provide
the
nine
stacking
spaces.
In
reality,
when
people
go
through
the
car
wash,
it
takes
them.
C
C
So
when
somebody
buys
a
car
wash
at
the
pump
and
they
drive
around,
they
see
four
cars
there
most
of
the
time
they
go
through
the
bypass
lane
and
leave,
but
we
still
have
to
provide
it
per
the
code
and
you
know
if
if
there
are
vehicles
coming
out
every
10
minutes,
it's
it's
six
cars
per
hour
and
probably
less
than
six
cars
per
hour.
If
they're
getting
more
fancy
washes.
C
So
the
traffic
at
that
intersection
is
not
really
a
big
concern
because,
like
I
said,
it's
only
six
six
cars
per
hour
and
it's
probably
a
lot
less
than
that
because
you
know
maybe
when
maybe
when
everybody's
cars
for
dirty
with
salt,
they
might
be
six
cars
an
hour,
but
probably
less
than
that
and
I
guess.
That's.
F
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that.
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
recap.
So
I
know
that
Matt
made
the
comment
about
the
Northwest
parking.
F
You've
responded
to
that
Matt
I
just
quickly
asked
you
does
that
address
your
I
think
you're,
the
one
who
brought
out
that
comment.
Does
that
address
that
satisfactorily
or
be
satisfactorily
or
do
you
think
that
still
needs
to
be
looked
at?
No.
F
Okay,
I
think
there
have
been
several
people
talking
about
the
car
wash
circulation,
that's
addressed
in
the
county
comments
and
in
the
event
and
will
be
looked
at
further,
so
I
think.
If
we're
making
a
motion,
we
can,
you
know
just
put
that
under
the
umbrella
of
the
county
comments.
F
F
F
Oh
right,
thank
you.
Yes,
good
catch.
I
didn't
have
my
star
next
to
that.
Okay,
so
whoever's
been
listening
closely
and
could
put
a
motion
on
the
table.
I'd
appreciate
it.
M
For
other
comments
about
the
design
of
the
grocery
store.
F
Oh
yes,
sorry
thank
you.
James
made
the
comment
about
the
well
James.
Why
don't
you
put
it
into
your
own
words
again,
the
lack
of
articulation
or
the
color
of
that
facade.
N
Yeah
there
was
definitely
two
things:
one
was
a
a
building,
a
section
through
that
service
ramp,
indicating
how
that
how
that
sidewalk
wall
detail
is
going
to
happen
and
and
be
also
the
elevations
of
that
Grocery
Market.
N
It's
they're,
both
a
distinction
between
the
rendering
and
and
and
the
actual
exterior
elevation,
so
I,
just
what
it
just
seems
like
the
the
water
table
base
should
and
should
increase
to
really
be
the
same
height
as
what's
indicated
on
the
Royal
Farm,
because
the
rendering
indicated
something
that
was
either
four
or
five
feet.
So
it
just
seems
like
we
should
stick
with
that
and
and
your
comment
about
the
ephes
anything
below
10
feet
is
I.
I,
I
I
agree
with
that.
N
Also,
it
just
seems
like
with
this,
with
the
colors
and
and
and
and
the
palette,
that's
existing
with
all
this
gray
just
seems
like
you
know.
There
should
be
something
you
know.
Even
with
that
that
band
of
the
of
of
that's
indicated
in
in
I
would
say
a
maroon
is
maybe
that's.
It
should
be
just
the
the
horizontal.
Remember.
That's
that's
going
to
dissect
that
facade,
but
there
needs
to
be
some
type
of
re-study,
a
re-study
of
this,
of
the
facades.
N
That's
all,
and
and
definitely
the
section
through
the
vehicular
service
ramp
area
indicating
the
the
that
wall
and
the
sidewalk.
N
M
I'll
I'll
give
it
a
shot
seriously.
So
I
would
say
that
I
recommend
approval
of
the
project,
object
to
the
comments
from
the
staff,
as
well
as
the
the
following
items
that
we've
identified
to
construct
a
sidewalk
and
stare
as
necessary
from
the
Urgent
Care
Facility
to
Milford
Mill
Road.
M
To
provide
a
median
or
narrow
the
entrance
one
or
the
other
along
Milford
Mill
Road
on
the
the
walking
entrance
there
that
has
a
partial
median,
replace
the
manufactured
Stone
with
brick
on
the
world.
M
Farm
Store
eliminate
the
second
sidewalk
Loop
owner
of
Liberty
Road
and
Milford
Mill
Road,
and
make
it
a
green
space
and
then,
with
respect
to
the
grocery
store,
to
find
carefully
the
sidewall
of
the
loading
dock
as
to
what
is
happening
there
to
screen
that
and
make
it
safe,
of
course,
and
then
to
restudy
the
facade
of
the
grocery
store
to
clarify
the.
M
F
Okay,
I'll
just
two
things
that
I
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
that
was
a
good
run
through
just
two
quick
things.
I
would
say
that
the
manufactured
Stone
common
applies
to
both
buildings
of
both
new
buildings.
I
should
say
not
the
urgent
care,
but
to
the
grocery
store
outlet,
as
well
as
Royal
Farms.
B
F
Then
I
think
just
elaborating
on
the
grocery
store
elevation
for
James
comments
that
perhaps
further
articulation
be
studied.
There's
a
bit
too
much
gray
on
the
facade.
Can
it
be
looked
to
to
further
articulate
that
with
a
horizontal
band
of
some
other
color.
I
Can
I
ask
a
question,
of
course,
of
Mr
Khan
when
you
said
the
access
point
on
Liberty
Road?
Are
you
talking
about
the
car
wash
or
can
you
clarify
what
your,
what
you
mean.
F
F
F
I
F
Conditional
approval
is
what
Don
said:
I
don't
think
we
specified
whether
that
could
be
done
administratively.
That
is
a
conditional
approval,
yeah
well
right,
but
it
can
be
staff
reviewed,
so
I
think
I
think.
That
is
what
we
intend.
Anybody
on
the
panel
suggest
otherwise
I.
F
Thank
you,
yep,
no
good
point
hearing,
none
and
I
I
think
Jennifer.
Do
you
have
any
other
questions
Nina
any
other
Clarity
on
no
I
think
the
conditions?
Okay,
great.
I
M
F
F
Usual,
but
with
four
on
the
agenda,
I
think
we
got
through
them
pretty
well.
So
thank
you
for
sticking
into
the
end
and
thank
you
applicant
for
for
going
through
the
presentation,
adding
and
answering
questions.