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B
Okay,
good
evening,
one
moment:
Martha,
you
have
the
password.
B
Yeah
so
welcome
everybody
to
the
September
13
2023
meeting
of
the
Baltimore
County
design
review
panel
and
the
meeting
is
called
to
order.
I
am
the
chair,
Joseph
yousafaro.
B
We
will
start
with
a
roll
call
to
account
for
the
members
of
the
panel
present
on
the
call
this
evening.
When
you
hear
your
name,
please
say:
I
Miss,
Ennis
I.
Thank
you,
Mr
Khan
I.
B
E
B
Mr
Stevens:
are
you
on
hearing
none
Mr,
om,
kudgerkar.
F
B
Thank
you
and
welcome
to
the
panel
Mr
Scott
Walters.
B
All
right,
I,
think
I
heard
you
welcome
to
the
panel
as
well
to
Walters
and
I
also
have
Miss
Linda
felt,
who
it
would
be
the
residential
reviewer
for
the
Weaver
Fields
project.
Miss
Phelps.
Are
you
out
there
just
say
aye.
H
B
Hear
me
we
can
hear
you
now:
okay,
we
got
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
Sorry,
okay,
so
I'm
gonna
turn
over
to
Mark's
and
Martyr.
Are
there
any
changes
to
the
tentative
agenda
as
published
this
evening.
B
Thank
you
very
much
so
this
time
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
on
the
minutes
of
the
July
12
2023
meeting
so
on
on
July
21st
2023.
The
panel
members
received
an
email
of
the
draft
minutes
of
the
July
12
2023
meeting.
Has
everybody
had
an
opportunity
to
review
the
draft
minutes?
B
I
will
I
will
take
everybody's
silence
as
you,
you
have
in
fact
reviewed
draft
minutes
so
who
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes
as
circulated
so
moved?
Okay,
thank
you.
Mr
Khan
do
I
have
a
second.
D
B
I
think
I
heard
Mr
renault's
second
emotion.
So
all
in
favor
of
the
motion
say
aye.
I
B
Aye
all
right,
thank
you
very
much
any
opposed
to
the
motion,
so
this
is
a
little
tricky
being
virtual
I
think
I
heard
all
eyes
and
and
no
Nays,
so
the
motion
carries.
Thank
you
very
much
so
at
this
time
it
is
my
job
to
read
an
opening
statement,
as
it
relates
to
the
design
review
panel.
B
So
please
allow
me
three
or
four
minutes
grab
some
popcorn
sit
back
and
I'll
be
back
to
you
in
a
couple
minutes
after
I
read
the
statement
so
title
four
subtitle,
two
part:
one
sections
32
4203
and
32
4204
established
the
design
review
panel
with
the
acronym
that
I'm
going
to
use
DRP
the
DRP
was
established
to
encourage
design
excellence
and
shall
act
in
a
Consulting
and
advisory
capacity
to
the
agencies
involved
in
the
process
for
reviewing
development
plans.
B
The
objectives
for
the
drp's
assessment
include
spatial
Visual
and
functional
relationship
to
the
typographical
characteristics.
The
natural
and
built
features
of
the
site,
as
well
as
the
surrounding
features
of
the
site.
Visual
and
functional
integration
of
streetscapes,
pedestrian,
Pathways,
playgrounds,
recreational
amenities
and
Parks
streets
and
sidewalks
are
laid
out
in
a
safe
and
convenient
Manner
and
parking
is
a
positive
design.
Element.
B
B
The
panel
consists
of
nine
members
all
are
professionals
with
practical
knowledge
in
the
matters
of
design
for
purposes
of
making
recommendations
on
a
particular
project,
three
members
shall
constitute
a
quorum.
The
attendance
and
comments
of
each
member
shall
be
recorded
in
the
minutes,
which
shall
be
an
open
record
and
available
along
with
all
documents
submitted
to
the
panel
for
inspection
and
copying
by
the
public.
B
There
will
be
an
opportunity
for
the
community
to
offer
comments
and
suggestions
at
the
conclusion
of
the
applicant's
presentation.
These
comments
will
also
be
included
in
the
written
record
of
the
meeting
when
a
speaker
is
called
up
to
speak.
Please
keep
your
comments
focused
on
design
perspectives
within
your
allotted
two
minutes
of
time
and
if
you're
speaking
on
behalf
of
a
community
group,
you
will
get
five
minutes
at
the
conclusion
of
the
meeting.
The
department
of
planning
will
sum
up
the
recommendations
of
the
panel
before
a
motion
for
a
vote
is
suggested.
B
Recent
legislation
has
changed
the
panel's
recommendations
to
the
advisory
on
the
hearing
officer
in
the
various
County
agencies.
Unless
a
hearing
officer
or
agencies
find
the
panel's
actions,
constitute
an
abuse
of
its
discretion
or
are
unsupported
by
the
documentation
and
evidence
presented.
Disposition
of
the
plan
will
be
determined
as
either
approved,
approved
with
conditions
or
additional
review
with
a
second
meeting
is
required.
B
So
that
is
the
opening
statement.
I
appreciate
your
time
and
bearing
with
me
there
before
we
talk
about
the
items
on
the
agenda.
I
just
have
two
comments
before
we
before
we
jump
in.
B
My
first
ask
is
to
have
my
fellow
panel
members
turn
on
their
cameras
when
they
are
speaking
as
it
as
it
humanizes
this
meeting
as
much
as
possible,
being
it's
virtual
and
and
the
second
announcement
would
be
that
the
first
two
projects
on
the
agenda
are
are
repeat
projects
meaning
coming
back
for
a
second
review.
I
I
would
ask
that
the
applicants
keep
their
comments
and
presentation
to
only
what
was
revised
and
resubmitted.
B
So
the
three
items
on
the
agenda
number
one
is
714
Delaney
Valley,
Road,
Bank
of
America
DT,
Towson,
District
commercial
review.
Number
two
is
1014:
Taylor
Avenue,
the
Popeyes
in
the
Loch
Raven,
Hillendale
commercial
review
area
and
number
three
is
Weaver:
Fields
Campbell
Boulevard
and
Rowe
Farm
Lane
in
the
Middle
River
residential
review.
B
D
Thanks
Joe
good
evening
everybody,
my
name
is
Matt
Renault
I'll
I'll
be
helping
Joe
out
here
on
the
project.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
Bank
of
America
at
714
Delaney
Valley
Road
in
Towson,
in
the
downtown
district
commercial
review.
If
the
presenter
could
introduce
yourself
the
floor
is
yours.
J
First
I
want
to
thank
the
panel
for
taking
the
time
today
to
discuss
the
Bank
of
America
Delaney
Plaza
project.
To
address
your
previous
comments.
My
name
is
Eric
McWilliams
I'm,
a
professional
landscape
architect
with
bowler
and
with
me
today
are
Melissa
who's,
the
project
architect
with
interior
Architects
and
Lloyd
With
CBRE
representing
Bank
of
America.
So
if
we
just
jump
into
into
the
comments,
there
was
a
concern
about
the
retaining
wall
and
if
Marta,
if
you
would
would
mind,
jumping
to
page
13
of
the
foreign
book.
J
So
so,
on
the
on
the
left
hand,
side
is
the
retaining
wall
for
the
site,
there's
currently
a
retaining
wall
on
on
the
the
back
of
America
site.
This
will
be
a
a
reconstructed
rebuilt
wall,
but
what
we've
we've
taken?
J
The
panels
concerns
in
the
into
by
heart
and
and
we've
reconfigured
this
wall
with
a
maximum
height
of
16
feet
kind
of
in
the
center
there,
and-
and
what's
what's
to
be
noted-
is
this
the
current
wall
curls
down
basically
touches
the
the
Sha
will
all
on
on
Delaney
Valley
Road
We've
we've
been
able
to
re-grade
this
portion
of
the
site
widen
out
the
landscaped
area
where,
where
the
pylon
sign
will
be
so,
we
were
able
to
pull
back
the
wall
18
feet
off
the
property
line
from
from
Delaney
Valley
Road.
J
J
J
It's
about
four
feet
where
there's
parking,
but
where
there's
no
parking,
which
is
a
two
areas
once
again
in
the
front
of
the
site
when,
when
you
back
beyond
that
18
feet
to
about
40
feet
back,
that's
at
least
10
feet
wide
and
when
we'll
be
planting
a
larger
vegetative
material
in
there
to
to
soften
the
wall
even
more
and
then
there's
a
bump
out
kind
of
behind
behind
the
main
row
of
parking
on
the
the
western
side
of
the
site.
J
As
you
come
into
the
the
Bank
of
America
site
from
Delaney
Plaza,
that
will
be
able
to
place
an
ornamental
tree
there
and
soften
that
wall
a
bit
more.
So
the
view
sheds
from
from
the
neighboring
property
up
into
this
site
will
will
be
buffered
by
by
vegetation
with
that
wire,
a
wider
buffer
area.
J
The
facade
will
be
the
the
coloring
of
the
the
proposed
Bank
of
America
site
and
we'll
go
through
a
couple
of
walls.
The
next
thing
we're
going
to
reach
on
to
is
the
streetscape,
but
before
which,
which
will
be
based
on
the
Towson
streetscape
brick
color.
J
J
Now
this
is
in
in
front
of
the
in
front
of
the
site
along
Delaney
Valley,
and
it
is.
It
is
a
seating
wall
with
with
returns
on
both
the
northern
and
southern
portion
of
the
wall,
as
as
requested
from
the
panel,
the
that'll
parallel
Delaney
in
the
entire
facade
of
this
of
the
structure
proposed
structure.
J
If
we
could
jump
to
page
page
20,
this
gives
the
cross
section
of
how
this
wall
will
look
along
the
street,
so
it'll
be
stepped
as
as
Delaney
goes
or
has
a
has
a
slope
from
south
to
North.
J
It'll.
Follow
that
slope
with
small
gaps
just
to
kind
of
give
it
give
it
some
air
due
to
the
extent
of
the
slope,
the
the
height
of
the
wall
will
not
exceed
I,
believe
20
20
inches
and
that
way
it'll
be
comfortable
for
for
folks
at
various
sizes.
J
Waiting
for
the
bus
to
be
able
to
to
choose
a
place
along
the
wall
to
sit
having
having
or
being
able
to
see
this,
this
particular
bus
stop
or
this
bus
area
from
from
my
office,
sometimes
there's
five.
Sometimes
there's
25
folks
waiting
there
and
they
they
sit
all
over
the
place
and
they
like
to
give
themselves
space.
So
we
feel
like,
like
this,
this
seat
wall
will
will
satisfy
the
folks
in
this
area
the
folks
waiting
for
the
bus.
J
They
can
utilize
the
seat
wall
all
along
the
frontage
and
and
to
I
guess
to
further
dig
into
the
the
you
know.
The
the
boss
stop
area,
there's
been
mention
of
a
bus
shelter,
and
we
feel
that
that
this
is
a
great
option
in
lieu
of
the
bus,
shelter.
J
It
would
have
to
sit
back
behind
the
five
foot
minimal
sidewalk,
which
is
in
back
of
the
Planters,
and
it
would
be
almost
shoved
up
against
the
Bank
of
America's
Bank
of
America
building
and
would
would
tend
to
clutter
clutter
the
The
View
shed
as
you're
coming
up
Delaney
Valley
in
our
opinion.
So
this
the
sea
wall
is
a
is
a
a
great
option.
A
good
look.
J
J
K
K
K
So
here
you'll
see
more
of
that
robust
planting
scheme
that
we're
proposing
which
responds
to
the
architectural
canopy
and
the
windows,
as
well
as
that
proposed
seating
wall,
which
we've
articulated
more
to
provide
more
of
that
pedestrian
function
and
also
a
more
visual
interest
with
the
interacting
landscape.
We
have
maintained
the
smaller
glazing
along
Delaney,
Valley
Road,
and
that's
really
in
order
to
promote
the
customer
privacy
within
the
private
offices,
which
also
aligns
with
the
Frank
security
protocol.
K
But
we
do
believe
that
the
variation
of
the
fenestration
pattern
does
really
help
to
differentiate
the
more
private
office
spaces
from
the
public
open
waiting
area.
And
again
you
can
see
a
little
bit
more
of
that
facade
material,
Brown
ceramic
tile,
and
we
also
have
shifted
the
signage
closer
to
the
corner
of
the
building.
For
a
little
bit
better
visibility.
K
And
then
you
kind
of
flip
to
slide
27.,
which
again
just
shows
a
little
bit
more
of
those
rendered
elevations.
And
then
the
new
material
palette
of
the
so
we're
placing
the
wood
look
colliding
with
that
brown
ceramic
tile
and
you're,
placing
the
stucco
with
the
full
height
brick
and
then
again
on
slide
31.
K
K
Yeah
there
you'll
see
the
new
Brown
ceramic
tile
and
the
gray,
brick
and
then
I
believe
the
the
remaining
sides
are
really
of
our
proposed
signage,
which
the
only
notable
changes
that's
inside
33
you'll
see
the
site
plan,
we're
just
including
some
markings
for
three
employee,
only
parking
spaces
along
the
retaining
wall
and
then
again
shifting
that
building
sign
closer
to
Delaney
Valley
Road
at
the
corner.
D
Thank
you
very
much
at
this
time.
The
floor
will
be
open
to
public
input
and
or
feedback
from
the
community.
If
you
are
representing
a
community
group,
you
will
have
five
minutes
to
speak.
Those
who
do
not
represent
a
community
group
will
have
two
minutes
to
speak
Marta
is
there
anyone
signed
up
to
to
speak
on
the
project
tonight.
A
Matt,
let
me
check
this
Brett
and
Jen
Brett.
Do
we
have
anyone.
G
C
We
have
Miss
Beth
Miller
from
523
Murdoch
Road
with
the
green
Towson
Alliance
community
group.
C
L
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
provide
comments
on
this
project.
My
name
is
Beth
Miller
and
I'm
submitting
comments
on
behalf
of
me.
A
I'm
sorry
for
interrupting,
but
I
would
need
to
start
timer
my
timer,
but
can
you
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
community.
M
L
The
floor
is
yours.
Thank
you,
okay,
okay,
thank
you.
So
much
I,
just
I
want
to
start
off
by
apologizing
for
not
attending
the
first
Erp
hearing
on
the
project.
We
didn't
have
notification
about
it
for
some
reason,
but
we
did
get
the
second
notification
from
bowler,
so
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
we
are
very
pleased
to
see
this
Redevelopment
project
I
think
it
will
greatly
improve
the
landscaping
and
walkability
of
this
current
property.
That's
almost
completely
impervious.
At
this
point.
L
L
So
there
are
five
canopy
trees
specified
and
they
are
all
Genco
bilboa,
canopy
trees,
the
downtown
Houston
zoning
overlay
says
the
use
of
native
canopy
trees
is
strongly
encouraged
in
parking
lots,
downtown
open
spaces
and
streetscapes.
So
we
would
like
you
to
ask
to
change
that
genko
to
a
native
species.
L
We
do
have
some
concerns
about
the
crepe
myrtles
along
York,
Road,
just
I
just
think
they're
going
to
struggle
to
be
successful.
It's
a
very
narrow,
sidewalk
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
you're
gonna
specify
those
as
single
stem,
but
they
they're
a.
L
You
know
a
fairly
broad
canopy
tree
that
I
think
will
probably
get
hit
by
cars
and
trucks
and
may
obstruct
pedestrians
if
they're
not
pruned
up
enough
or
if
they're
multi-stem,
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
there
might
be
another
species
that
has
a
more
columnar
growth
habit
habit
and
then
our
final
comment
is
about.
There
are
three
plant
species
that
are
being
watched
as
emerging
invasive
species
in
Maryland
that
are
specified
and
they
are
all
spread
by
birds
who
eat
their
fruit.
L
You
know
I'm
not
we're.
Obviously,
in
a
setting
like
this
we're
not
concerned
about
Creep
by
rhizomes
or
something
like
that,
but
birds
that
eat
their
fruit
can
easily
fly
over
to
Goucher
College
and
spread
those
plants.
So
they
are
the
I'm
going
to
use
the
the
common
names
because
I'm
not
very
good.
At
pronouncing
the
Latin
names
Atlas
English
Holly,
the
Maryland
invasive
species,
Council
advises
against
planting
that
species.
L
The
spirea
bridal
wreath
is
being
evaluated,
there's
another
spirea
that
is
already
being
evaluated
by
the
state
of
Maryland
for
listing
as
invasive
and
the
last
is
the
leather
leaf
by
Burnham
I'm.
Sorry,
the
viburnum,
the
yes,
the
leather
leaf
viburnum.
There
is
another
viburnum,
that's
being
evaluated.
L
All
non-native
viburnums
are
considered
emerging
invasives.
So
those
are
my
comments.
I.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
D
D
Mart
are
there
any
other
community
members
signed
up
for
the
presentation
today.
D
D
A
A
So
in
regards
to
environmental
sustainability,
staff
recommends
approval
of
environmental
sustainability
in
regards
to
block
configuration
site
design
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
block
configuration
site,
design,
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
coordinate
with
State
Highway
Administration
regarding
installation
of
the
bus,
shelter
number
two
provide
an
accurate
detailed
site
plan
for
the
proposed
pedestrian
connections
from
the
bank
to
the
Delaney.
Plaza
plaza
clearly
show
on
the
plan.
The
proposed
retaining
walls,
steps
and
their
relationships
with
the
proposed
pedestrian
connections,
provide
details
and
dimensions,
see
below
also
be
provided
a
diagram
below.
A
In
regards
to
parking,
staff
recommends
approval
in
regards
to
downtown
open
space
staff
recommends
approval
And
in
regards
to
building
principal
architecture.
Staff
differs
approval
to
the
pro
of
the
proposed
architecture
to
design
review
panel
And
in
regards
of
building
materials.
Stuff
also
differs
approval
of
the
proposed
building
materials
to
the
design
review
panel
and
for
the
signage
staff
recommends
approval.
D
O
Good
evening,
everyone,
okay,
it's
a
light,
is
not
enough,
but
it's
me
yeah,
so
I
can
cut
the
stuff
report.
I
have
a
just
one
question
which
I
want
to
confirm,
since
this
is
a
rendition,
it
looks
like
that
sidewalk
is
it
in
compliance
with
the
Ada
looks
like
the
tree.
Planters
may
be
eating
away
into
the
space.
That's
required
for
the
sidewalk.
J
I
J
Okay,
yeah
the
the
the
site
will
be
accessible,
Ada
accessible
along
Delaney
Valley
Road.
The
tree
planters
are
situated,
so
there
will
be
a
minimum
of
five
feet
between
the
seat
wall
and
the
planter.
O
D
P
Hi,
thank
you.
I
agree
with
all
the
staff
recommendations
and
feel
that
both
IA
and
the
landscape
architect
met
the
requirements
of
the
modifications
and
particularly
do
like
the
seat
on
the
exterior
I.
Think
that's
a
nice.
A
nice
touch.
I
D
Great,
thank
you.
Mr
Stevens.
Q
Hello
and
I
I
guess
all
of
my
comments
are
really
positive
comments.
I
I,
you
know
the
the
16
foot
retaining
wall
has
been
softened
to
a
degree
that
I'm
comfortable
with
also
the
finishes
on
the
exterior
elevation.
Q
Totally
on
board
with
and
and
I
must
say,
the
the
stepped,
tiered
seat
wall
on
Delaney,
Valley
Road
is
is,
is
really
a
a
good
improvement
from
The
Continuous
war.
That
was
there
on
the
last
submission.
So
all
my
comments
are
positive,
so
it's
I'm
fine
with
that
Matt
great.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
Stevens
appreciate
it
you're
welcome.
Let's
talk
go
to
you,
Mr
Kirch,
Carr,
welcome
to
the
panel
thank.
F
You
thanks
for
a
great
presentation,
I
think
I
can
I
generally
concur
with
the
staff
recommendations.
I
do
have
a
couple
actually
a
question
regarding
the
materials
of
the
seed
wall
on
Delaney
Valley
I
do
like
the
configuration
of
it
and
I
like
appreciate
the
fact
that
it
is
a
seat
wall
that
steps
down
with
the
grade.
The
renderings
show
a
lighter
or
more
reddish
brick
and
when
I
look
at
the
architecture,
a
question
is:
is
there
any
way
to
you
know
darken
that
breakup?
F
So
it
has
a
better
tie
with
the
architectural
facade
one
I
enjoy
the
the
grasses
behind
the
the
wall
and
I'm
wondering
whether,
in
the
view
that
you
all
showed
that
is
that
the
entry
where
looks
like
there
is
some
pink
shrubs
I'm
wondering
whether
on
either
side
of
the
wall,
there's
a
way
to
extend
the
grasses
to
wrap
around
so
and
then
the
third
comment
I
have
is
regarding
the
ginkgo's.
F
It's
just
a
recommendation
for
your
consideration.
A
species
of
trees
that
maybe
may
work
in
those
situations
would
be
a
a
sweet
gum,
not
the
seedless
variety
of
sweet
gums.
That
is
a
little
more
columnar
and
that's
that's
all
I
have
thank.
D
You
great
thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Stevens,
welcome
to
the
panel.
E
No
worries,
thank
you.
R
Actually,
I
just
have
one
question
comment
with
regards
to
the
site
plan:
I,
actually
like
the
the
seat
walls
in
the
as
in
the
step
being
nature
of
them.
The
question
is
really
around
the
bus.
Stop
itself
on
I
think
it's
maybe
page
16.,
so
the
three
Planters
themselves
aren't
equally
spaced,
but
where
the
bus
stop
is
noted
to
be
is
in
the
the
thinner
section
between
if
you're
looking
from
the
right.
R
The
second
and
the
third
tree
to
the
right
is:
has
the
smaller
section
between
the
the
two
trees
I
was
wondering?
Was
there
any
thought
giving
to
giving
some
hierarchy
to
where
the
the
bus
stop
and
the
signage
should
be
between
the
between
the
street
trees
and
the
kind
of
that
in
the
whole
sequence
of
getting
on
getting
off.
S
J
Just
just
to
make
sure
that
I
I
heard
the
question
correctly
is
your
your
concern
is:
is
that
the
the
the
area
between
the
two
Planters,
the
that
seems
to
be
a
little
tighter,
is
where
the
bus
stop
is,
and
could
we
give
consideration
to
perhaps
the
evening
up
those
Planters
in
order
to
give
more
room?
Is
that.
R
Yeah
yeah
correct,
you
know,
should
I
guess
the
question
would
be:
should
there
be
more
space
given
to
where
the
bus
stop
is
versus
having
it
being
the
smaller
space
between
the
the
street
trees,
yeah.
J
As
far
as
far
as
I
I
understand
it
that
there
would
be
there
would
be
no
issue.
I.
Think
from
our
our
standpoint
as
to
you
know,
sliding
sliding
that
planter
up
a
little
bit
just
to
make
sure,
with
the
caveat
that
there's
no
utility
conflicts
in
that
in
the
position.
D
D
S
Thank
you.
Let
me
get
unmuted
I
want
to
thank
the
Architects
for
really
thinking
through
some
of
the
things
that
were
discussed
in
our
last
meeting
and
reevaluating,
some
of
the
exterior
material
and
the
placement
of
that
material.
S
I
think
that
the
resolution
of
all
that
has
been
successful
and
and
some
of
the
concerns
that
were
raised
last
time,
I
think
have
been
very
thoroughly
addressed
and
overall
I
agree
with
the
staff
recommendations,
and
we
can
discuss
that
in
a
motion,
but
I
think
I
I
think
the
overall
solution,
I
think,
is
much
improved.
D
If
not
I
just
have
a
few
additional
comments,
I
think
most
have
been
echoed.
The
comment
came
up
regarding
the
seat
wall.
I
agree
as
well
that
that
probably
should
that
would
look
best.
D
If
that's
that
gray,
brick
that's
been
placed
on
the
building,
I
think
that's
been
a
nice
Improvement
there,
so
I
think
a
material
like
that
would
be
very
suitable,
I
think
it's
just
an
item
in
the
rendering
in
the
on
the
corner,
rendering
the
paper
The
Hardscape
is
showing
up
as
kind
of
that
old
thousand,
yellow
brick
and
the
red
brick
can.
Can
you
confirm
that
it
will
just
be
the
the
red
brick
and
not
not
the
dual
color
perfect?
D
Thank
you
much
better
and
then
my
last
comments
is
regarding
the
the
planting
at
the
retaining
wall
that
is
much
improved.
I
would
just
encourage
you
to
evaluate
what
you're
planting
at
the
base
of
the
wall
I
think
the
I
think
it's
a
ginger
that
you've
got
proposed
there,
which
is
going
to
be
fairly
low.
I
would
still
recommend
you
to
try
to
get
an
evergreen
shrub
along
the
base
of
that
wall.
D
To
get
you
know:
30
36,
48,
inches
of
height
there
just
to
take
the
you
know
the
base
off
of
it,
where
you
can
it's
still
a
substantial
wall,
but
I
think
if
you
can
just
land
it
in
a
stronger
planting
bed,
that's
gonna
work.
Well.
So
those
are
my
comments
so,
as
chair
I'm,
going
to
turn
it
over
to
my
fellow
panelists
to
see
if
one
of
you
I
would
like
to
take
a
stab
at
a
motion
for
the
project.
D
So,
if
we're
going
to
do
that,
you
have
to
you'll
have
to
this
is
the
challenge
you'll
have
to
take
the
recommendations
that
you
want
to
be
in
the
motion
and
you'll
have
to
to
spell
them
out
for
everyone,
so
they
can
be
in
the
record.
F
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
with
the
following
recommendations
from
the
panel
considering
consider
the
following
items:
the
color
for
the
seat
wall,
the
step
seat
wall
along
the
Lenny
Valley
should
be
a
darker
or
it
can
be
a
darker
break.
Please
consider
that
to
the
comment
regarding
the
bus
stop
and
the
spacing
between
the
trees,
if
possible,
without
any
utility.
F
Con
conflicts
should
be
revised
to
provide
more
space
for
the
bus,
stop
area
and
then
taller
plantings
along
the
retaining
wall,
evergreen
or
semi
Evergreen
would
be
would
be
recommended
and,
as
as
per
the
comments
regarding
ginkgo
trees,
consider
using
a
a.
F
Of
native
trees,
such
as
liquid,
embar
or
or
approved
equal
for
for
this
project,.
D
I
heard
several
several
favorable
comments
from
the
the
panelists
that
prefer
the
seat
wall
over
a
bus,
shelter,
that's
something
that
we
should
get
into
the
motion
as
well.
If
you'd
like
to
Loop
that
in.
D
That's
good
all
right
that
sounds
great,
so
I'm
gonna
just
pause
for
a
second
Jennifer
and
the
county
team.
Does
that
give
you
enough
to
for
a
motion.
D
Great,
thank
you
Don
yeah.
So
if
you
can
add
that
to
your
motion
as
well.
D
It
sounds
good
Jennifer's,
still,
okay,.
D
D
All
right,
the
motion
carries
right,
appreciate
everybody's
time.
Thank
you
for
revising
the
application
that
was
great
Improvement
and
over
the
last
or
the
previous
presentation.
So
thank
you
for
the
effort
and
pushing
that
along.
J
A
A
I
think
can
do
it.
Yes,
please.
B
All
right,
I
am
back
good
evening
everybody,
so
we're
moving
on
to
item
number
two
one:
zero
one:
four
Taylor
Avenue
the
Popeyes
in
the
Loch
Raven
Hillandale
commercial
review.
If
the
presenter
is
with
us,
you
can
unmute
and
the
floor
is
yours
good.
T
Evening
everybody
first,
let
me
apologize
because
I'm
rather
new
at
this,
the
civil
engineer
came
down
ill
today,
so
bear
with
my
ignorance
on
how
to
handle
this
meeting,
but
hopefully
we'll
get
through
this
with
Marta's
help.
So
we
are
back
again
after
our
previous
meeting
and
we've
taken
all
your
recommendations
and
hopefully,
we've
returned
and
satisfied
your
recommended
change.
The
did
the
changes
to
satisfy
your
recommendations.
T
My
name
is
Robert
Grimaldi
I
do
represent
PN
restaurants.
This
is
a
proposed
new
Popeyes
at
1014
Taylor
Avenue,
I
yeah.
You
guys
have
the
same
slide.
That
I
have
up
right
now:
Marta
I
guess
you
could
start
paging
through
them
again
where
a
2500
square
foot
drive
through,
and
this
is
you
can
stop
right
there.
A
second
I
I
know
we
have
a
few
new
members
to
the
board.
T
T
And
that
is
the
site
where
we're
going
on
to
there.
This
part
of
the
parking
lot
drops
down
as
you'll
see
in
the
upcoming
pictures
and
site
plans.
T
This
is
basically
the
entrance,
if
you
can
say
their
second
entrance
off
the
street
and,
as
you
could
tell
it,
the
site
slopes
dramatically
from
left
to
right
and
it
also
slopes
from
from
the
buildings
towards
the
street.
So
we
are
over
to
the
right
hand
side
of
this,
so
we
have
a
double
point
of
it.
Dropping
and
that'll
come
into
play
when
you
see
our
retaining
wall.
This
is
of
the
Strip
Center.
That's
behind
us
and
again
this
is
a
cleaner
indication
of
how
much
we
are
sloping
continue.
Marta.
Thank
you
again.
T
T
T
T
Thank
you
Rick
again.
This
is
the
updated
site
plan
and
actually
more
of
the
next
one
you
could
go
in
the
next.
One
actually
is
an
enlargement
of
this,
so
you
could
just
go
to
the
next
one,
and
and
there
we
go
so
this
is
basically
we've
refined.
The
original
plan
slightly
adjusted
the
building
footprint
added
some
additional
crosswalks,
as
well
as
sod,
as
well
as
sidewalks,
adjusting
the
adjusted
the
planting
area,
which
you'll
see
shortly
and
just
refine
the
plan.
T
This
is
a
vehicle
vehicle
turning
path
through
it,
you
could
continue
on
the
board.
Didn't
have
a
real
issue
with
this,
the
next
one
we
had
the
board
wanted
to
see
if
you
could
zoom
in
a
little
bit
to
this.
This
is
the
truck
movement
and
again
the
trucks
that
we
we
went
through
the
deliveries
and
the
trucks
that
would
be
servicing
this
site,
basically
to
coming
onto
the
site.
T
As
you
see,
there
would
be
the
TR,
the
dumpster,
the
truck
to
pick
up
the
the
dumpsters,
the
only
other
large
large
truck,
that's
going
to
come
on
site,
and
it
usually
comes
in
the
time
frame
of
somewhere
between
11
and
6.
A.M
is
the
once
a
week,
the
tractor
trailer,
that
is,
the
full
store
delivery.
T
The
only
other
truck
store
in
the
week
are
a
smaller
box
truck
that
comes
typically
between
7
and
10
a.m,
and
before
the
store
is
open
and
that
that's
simply
could
fit
in
a
parking
spot
off
load
and
get
out
of
the
get
out
of
the
parking
lot.
You
can
continue
along
to
the
next
slide.
T
None
of
this
has
changed.
These
are
Foundation
drawings
for
for
the
menu
boards
and
overhead
detectors,
and
such
continue
on.
Please
typical
details
for
their
trash
Corral,
showing
the
materiality
and
and
the
general
construction
methods.
T
This
is
a
specific
assembly
for
the
retaining
wall.
It
would
be
a
versa,
lock,
return
retaining
wall
with
the
powdered
aluminum
handrail
on
fence
rail
on
top
continue
on
now.
This
is
where
again,
there's
two
sections
cut
on
this
site
plan:
the
a
section
and
the
B
section-
and
this
was
the
the
board
rightfully
asked
for
this,
because
it
was
not
very
clear
without
these
sections
about
what
was
happening
on
this
location.
If
you
continue
go
on
and
if
you
could
zoom
in
a
little
bit.
T
So
the
a
section
is
from
the
street
to
the
to
the
strip
mall
behind
us
and
the
which
is
on
the
top
of
the
page
and
the
B
section
is
on
the
bottom
of
say
the
page
and
that's
cut
parallel
with
the
road,
but
also
to
let
you
have
an
understanding
of
how
come.
We
are
the
a
section
Falls.
T
So
if
you're
looking
at
the
a
section-
and
you
see
the
existing
sidewalk
and
our
person
walking
on
the
sidewalk
there-
and
you
see
the
height
of
that
wall,
we
still
have
tried
to
soften
it
as
much
as
we
can.
But
at
that
section,
where
the
a
to
A1
section
is
cutting
through
the
site
and
cutting
through
the
B
section,
the
lower
section,
it
would
be
taken
basically
between
if
you're
looking
at
the
B
section
of
the
the
site.
T
T
So
this
is
getting
to
the
lowest
part
of
the
site,
but
as
it
goes
back
up
to
the
left,
where
the
street,
the
street
Rises
the
parking
lot
Rises
the
retaining
wall
diminishes
as
you
go
from
left
to
right
and
correspondingly,
as
you
drive
into
the
parking
lot
from
where
it
says
that
existing
parking
lot.
If,
as
you
drive
in
off
the
street,
it
will
the
road,
obviously
Rises
back
up
to
meet
the
stores
in
the
back.
So
this
is
the
apex
of
the
height
and
the
exposure
of
the
face
of
the
retaining
wall.
T
So
these
next
few
pages
are
from
the
Prototype
design,
and
this
is
this
is
where
we
had
a
point
of
contention,
because
then
we
had
gone
through
some
value
engineering
from
these
original
designs
to
what
we
presented
to
you
last
time
and
the
board
was
disappointed
that
you
aren't
going
to
get
the
full
gamut
of
the
newest
prototype.
So,
as
per
your
request,
we
bought
back
a
lot
of
the
features
you
could
keep
going,
especially
in
this
one.
T
The
full
awnings
are
along
the
dining
room
with
the
lights
and
everything
else
we
had
taken
it
away
in
the
last
presentation.
Well,
we
all
brought
it
back
as
you,
as
per
your
request
in
this
go
around
continue
on
Marta.
Thank
you.
T
One
of
the
board's
comments
was
that
rightfully
some
we
had
ethos
coming
down
to
the
ground,
it's
hard
to
see
in
the
plan,
but
if
you
zoom
in
a
little
more
you'll
see-
and
if
you
compare
this
plan
to
the
original
plan,
the
building
has
grown
to
basically
a
foot
in
the
overall
length
and
width,
because
we
added
full
face
brick,
full
Facebook
wainscoting
to
the
footprint
of
the
building.
If
you
could
continue
to
the
next
slide,.
T
As
per
the
board's
recommendation,
we
ordered
we
added
a
full
wangecoating
to
the
entire
building
of
brick,
with
the
to
replace
the
ethos.
We
did
not
add
the
brick
in
the
area
of
the
drive
through
for
the
design
presentation
of
the
nietzsia
paddle
versus
The
Brick.
T
It's
still
a
design
element
that
is
a
branded
design
element
and
as
long
as
the
manufacturer's
insulation
for
the
Nietzsche
panel
is
followed,
and
especially
since
it's
up
against
the
curb
area,
not
a
planting
area
generally,
we
we
don't
have
any
issue
with
the
niche
panel
as
it's
designed.
Hopefully
the
board
agrees
with
us,
but
otherwise
we've
added
the
brick
wainscoting
to
the
full
face
brick
full
three
and
a
half
inch
thick
brick
to
the
rest
of
the
building,
and
that's
what
you
see
on
the
top.
T
Not
let's
stay
right
here,
please
on
the
top
elevation,
so
that
is
the
drive-through
elevation
and
again
that's
the
brick
added
in
the
front
and
the
back
in
the
middle
to
elevations
the
left
hand.
Side
is
the
front
elevation
which
we
still
have
you
see
the
niche
panel.
You
have
the
decorative
wood.
We
still
have
above
the
half
inch
thin
brick,
which
is
again
a
half
inch,
actual
brick,
thin
brick
and
then
the
back.
T
The
utilitarian
end
of
the
back
with
the
cooler
boxes,
the
ifas
above
the
cooler
and
still
the
brick
Wings
coating
and
then
on
the
bottom
face.
If
you
could
zoom
into
that
a
little
bit
the
South
face
which
will
be
facing
the
Street,
you
have
the
dining
room
and
the
the
brick
the
full
brick
love
that
chicken
wall
and
the
brick
wains
coating
that
wraps
the
building
there
towards
the
end
yep.
T
And
if
you
can
continue,
let
me
I
see
what
the
next
page,
those
are
just
the
the
finishes
which
we
didn't
really
update
because
we
didn't
find
the
manufacturer.
Yet
we
have
to
find
a
registered
manufacturer
for
the
full
brick,
but
it
will
be
a
full
brick
of
the
same
color
colorway
and
you
go
down
one
more
and
I
believe
it's
the
equipment
plan,
it's
the
equipment
plan
again.
T
The
only
real
change
to
those
plans
is
the
thickness
of
the
brick
around
the
perimeter
of
the
building
and
that
you
can
keep
going
to
the
next
one.
That
is
just
our
response
letter.
T
B
All
right,
thank
you
very
much,
Mr
Grimaldi
for
the
presentation
at
this
time,
I'm
going
to
ask
Mark
to
Jennifer
and
Brett
are:
has
anybody
signed
up
to
speak
on
behalf
of
a
community
group
or
the
community.
N
Nobody
has
signed
up
in
the
chat
to
speak.
C
Yeah
I
have
no
one
in
the
chat
either.
B
Great
so
let's
proceed
to
the
staff
report:
Mark
said:
would
you
please
pull
up
the
staff
report
and
go
through
that.
A
Sure,
thank
you
Joe.
So
the
department
of
planning
prepared
this
stuff
report
based
on
the
following:
comprehensive
Manual
of
development
policies,
Baltimore
County
master
plan,
2020,
Baltimore,
County,
Landscape
manual
And
in
regards
to
the
site,
design
staff,
recommends
approval
in
regards
of
form
and
image.
Staff
recommends
approval
same
in
regards
to
open
space
and
landscape
design.
Staff
recommends
approval
in
regards
to
streets,
parking
and
circulation
staff
recommends
approval,
subject
to
the
following
comment:
parking
parking
requirement
for
the
shopping
center
is
40
442
spaces.
With
this
new
development
parking
spaces
will
decrease
to
236..
A
B
Great
thanks
Mark
to
short
and
sweet
okay.
So,
let's
open
up
the
discussion
to
the
panel
I'm
going
to
go
in
the
order
that
I
called
roll
for
for
this
project.
So,
let's
start
with
Miss
Ennis.
You
have
any
comments:
Miss
Dennis.
P
No
I
agree
with
the
the
staff
comments
and
certainly
appreciate
the
revisions
to
the
the
Branded
forms
of
of
the
Prototype
and
I,
like
I
I
like
what
the
architect
has
responded
with.
I
have
no
comments
on
the
Civil
modifications,
but
everything
else
I
agree
with.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Let's
go
to
Mr
Khan.
S
Thank
you,
I
agree,
I,
think
that
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
we
had
before
have
been
addressed
as
best
they
can
given
the
topography
that
they're
dealing
with
on
this
particular
site
and
also
the
clarification
of
the
building
itself,
so
I
think
I
think
it's.
It's
moved
along
in
a
very
good
direction.
D
Yeah
thanks
Joe
I
would
Echo
the
comments
much
improved.
Thank
you
for
bringing
back
the
canopy
I,
think
that
was
a
signature.
Signature
piece
of
the
building,
so
I
appreciate
that
just
a
couple
minor
comments,
the
northwest
corner
the
circulation
around
the
site
is
much
better.
D
The
crosswalk
is
kind
of
on
the
northeast
corner
of
the
plan,
which
makes
sense
if
you're
kind
of
coming
up
from
Taylor
Avenue,
but
it
if
I'm,
walking
up
at
the
front
of
the
restaurant
and
going
to
the
retail
above
it
seems
like
you
would
want
to
have
a
straight
shot
crosswalk
up
through
there.
So
it's
just
something
to
consider
in
the
future.
D
Just
check
your
area
around
the
base
of
the
building
you're,
showing
bike,
racks
and
tables,
and
it's
a
pretty
tight
condition
right
around
the
frontage
of
the
restaurant,
so
just
make
sure
that
you're
able
to
include
all
of
those
amenities
and
then
just
real
quickly.
It's
just
a
minor
thing
on
your
next
submission
with
the
county.
I
would
recommend
you
show
the
extensive,
the
canopy
on
these
engineering
drawings.
You
just
can't.
D
You
can
see
it
in
the
architectural
plans,
but
you
cannot
see
it
on
the
site
plan
just
to
confirm
that
it's
there
and
there
aren't
conflict,
so
otherwise,
just
minor
comments,
but
a
great
job
appreciate
it.
Thank.
T
You
very
much
and
yes,
the
the
canopies
in
the
front
will
will
not
extend
past
the
sidewalks
and
obviously
the
ones
at
the
drive-through
will
just
be
at
the
drive-through
area.
But
we'll
we'll
make
it
reflective
on
the
plan.
Q
Thanks
I
I
must
be
in
agreement
with
everyone.
I
I
must
I
love
the
integration
of
the
canopy
on
the
on
the
main
entry,
the
corporation
of
the
full
brick
at
the
Wayne's
code
of
the
building
and
as
far
as
the
site
and
civil
items,
I
have
no
comments.
So
thanks.
B
Mr
Stevens:
let's
go
to
Mr
kirjakar.
F
Great
presentation,
I
I,
agree
with
everyone's
comments
here
and
the
staff
report.
I
just
have
one
suggestion:
the
retaining
wall
as
it
gets
taller
on
your
section,
bb1.
Sorry
on
your
section,
A
A1,
it
looks
like
the
retaining
wall
is
over
six
feet
tall
and
the
plantings
that
are
in
front
of
it.
If
I'm,
looking
at
the
planting,
Plank
and
reading
this
correctly,
there
is
9
ol
shown
which
are
the
auto
lucan's
Cherry
Laurels,
which
don't
grow
six
feet.
F
Tall
I
would
suggest
using
a
taller
variety
of
Evergreens
just
to
give
the
wall
a
little
more
to
match
the
the
renderings
I
have
no
other
comments.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
Okay,
so
how
about
Mr
Walters,
let's
wrap
up
there,
yeah.
R
I
appreciate
the
the
changes
that
you
spoke
about.
I
just
have
one
question
and
that's
about
the
the
color
of
the
brick
and
the
wainscoting
I
couldn't
tell
what
the
color
of
the
brick
was
intended
to
be.
T
Keep
going
down
so
basically
it's
gonna
be
white
because
it's
well
it
staying
on
this
elevation,
the
natural
red
brick
there
for
the
where
the
I
love
chicken
wall
is
that
color
that
you
see
there
will
be
indicative
of
the
brick.
Obviously,
since
full
brick
is
not
our
spec,
we
have
to
find
a
manufacturer,
but
that
would
be
the
generally
the
color
of
the
red
brick
that's
shown,
and
it
for
reasons
of
the
statement
that
you
need
a
statement.
T
They
will
be
full
brick
to
match
the
specified
brick,
the
the
thin
brick
that's
specified
on
our
drawing
and
as
far
as
the
wainscoting
goes
it'll
be
a
white
brick
it'll,
be
a
white
brand.
We're
we're
replacing
white
ethos
with
white
brick,
so
it'll
be
a
white
brick
Glenn
Gary.
We
used
to
have
a
Glengarry
that
white
brick
that
we
used
on
an
older
prototype.
T
T
B
You
okay,
so
so
my
comment
as
it
relates
to
the
site
plan.
I
think
I
mentioned
it
last
meeting:
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
love
where
the
dumpster
is
located,
the
trash
truck
having
the
pull
in
and
reverse
out,
but
but
I
do
understand
that
it's
a
tight
sight
and,
and
you
can't
get
circulation
around
it,
so
so
I'm.
Okay
with
that,
so
I
think.
That
concludes
the
panel's
comments.
B
So
we're
at
a
point
now
that,
with
one
of
my
fellow
panel
members
like
to
make
a
motion
for
this
project
and
just
a
reminder
that
the
motion
can
be
approved
can
be
approved
with
conditions
or
additional
review
with
a
second
meeting,
but
again
a
reminder
to
the
panel
that
this
is
the
second
meeting
so
really
like
to
go
on
the
approved
or
approved
condition.
So
that's
the
parameters.
D
Hey
Joe
this
is
Matt
I
can
make
a
motion
you're.
Okay,
with
that
great
please
do
I
would
make
a
motion
for
approval
with
just
a
handful
of
minor
conditions
that
would
be
just
exploring
the
sidewalk
connection
to
the
retail
Frontage
at
the
northwest
corner.
D
Adjusting
the
plant
species
along
Taylor
Avenue
to
as
omit
suggested,
to
get
a
taller
Evergreen
along
the
retaining
wall.
And
then
the
third
is
just
to
confirm
that
the
extent
of
the
canopy
will
be
shown
clearly
on
the
site
plan
drawings,
for
the
counting
review.
B
D
Thank
you
yep,
so,
and
and
review
of
the
the
staff
report
just
confirming
that
the
just
get
the
language
here
that
the
that
the
variance
based
on
this
at
the
variance
for
the
the
reduction
in
parking
will
be
approved
for
the
staff
report.
Thanks
Jim.
N
Would
you
please
restate
it
again
comprehensively.
D
Sure
I
would
recommend
approval
with
the
following
conditions:
item
one
address
the
sidewalk
connection
at
the
northwest
corner
to
provide
a
crosswalk
to
the
adjacent
retail
property
item.
Two
would
be
to
address
the
planting
along
Taylor
Avenue
to
include
a
taller
Evergreen
species
that
works
with
the
proposed
retaining
wall
item.
Three
would
be
to
ensure
that
the
extent
of
the
building
canopies
are
shown
clearly
on
the
site.
D
It's
the
it's
right
here
on
the
screen.
You
can
see
at
the
front
of
the
restaurant,
the
it's
it
should
go
straight
across
or
Anki
up
right
there.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
T
We're
I
and
again
not
being
the
Civil
but
I'm
sure
it's
just
a
matter
of
getting
approval
from
the
landlord
to
relocate
that
because
I
believe
the
crosswork
crosswalk
that
they're
showing
is
in
connection
with
a
Ada
spot.
So
that's
how
come
there's
the
walkway,
so
we're
gonna
have
to
get
approval
from
the
landlord
that
we
can
relocate
that
work
with
them
to
relocate
that
so.
D
So
Jennifer
can
I
revise
my
my
first
condition
without
reading
everything
sure
can
I
I
would
just
like
to
revise
item
one
for
the
applicant
to
explore
the
potential
to
shift
the
crosswalk
to
the
northwest
corner.
If
that
is
feasible
with
the
adjacent
landlord
and
tenants.
Okay,
perfect.
B
Okay,
I
think
that
motion
is
clear,
so
there's
a
motion
on
the
table
by
Mr
Renault
do
I
have
a
second
second,
okay,
thank
you.
Mr
Stevens
I
have
a
second
all
in
favor,
say:
aye,
aye,
aye,
all
right,
okay,
I
think
I
heard
everybody
any
opposed
right.
The
motion
carries.
Thank
you
very
much
and
nice
job.
Thank
you
very
much.
I.
B
It
sure
so,
let's
move
to
item
number
three,
which
is
the
Weaver
Fields
Campbell
Boulevard
and
Rowe
Farm
lean
in
the
Middle
River
residential
review
and
and
just
a
reminder
that
we
have
Ms
Linda
Phelps
as
the
residential
reviewer
for
the
Weaver
Fields
project
as
part
of
the
panel
on
this
particular
project.
So
if
the
presenter
would
please
introduce
yourself
and
the
floor
is
yours
sure.
M
This
is
Patsy
Malone,
with
Venable
on
behalf
of
the
developer
I'm
just
going
to
introduce
the
the
speakers
and
then
I'll
be
around
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
so
Sean
Davis
from
Morrison
Richie
Associates
is
going
to
do
the
first
part
of
the
presentation
and
then
Ed
gold
from
Goldstone
properties
is
going
to
do
a
portion
of
the
presentation.
Then
we
have
Craig
Carlson
with
Greenspring
Builders,
who
is
going
to
talk
about
architecture,
so
I
will
be
around
for
questions
at
the
end.
U
Great
good
evening
is
just
someone
said:
my
name
is
Sean
Davis
I'm,
a
principal
with
Morris
ritzy,
Associates
planner,
and
a
licensed
landscape
architect,
I've
been
involved
in
the
overall
planning
for
Weaver
Fields,
as
Miss
woman
said
I'm,
going
to
begin
by
talking
about
an
understanding
of
what
we're
here,
I've
been
diving
into
neighborhood
contacts
and
talking
about
site
planning,
circulation,
open
space
and
Landscaping,
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
gold
and
Craig
Crossing
and
talk
about
the
architecture.
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So
everyone
knows
this
presentation
is
a
synopsis
of
the
development
plan
and
the
pattern
book
that
were
submitted
to
the
design
review
panel
back
at
the
end
of
August.
In
preparation
for
this
meeting,
we
do
have
available
the
both
the
development
plans
and
the
pattern
book.
If
we
want
to
refer
to
any
specific
page
in
there
that
you
might
have
questions
from
your
review
next
slide.
Please.
U
So
why
are
we
here
really
simply
we're
here,
because
Weaver
Fields
identified
in
red
on
the
map
on
the
left
side
of
the
slide
is
in
the
heart
of
the
Middle
River
design,
review
panel
area?
U
The
criteria
for
our
review
are
stated
here
and
from
your
design
view
panel
handbook,
there's
criteria
the
reply
that
apply
to
all
projects
that
come
before
the
design
review
panel
and
then
there
are
criteria
that
apply
to
those
projects
within
the
Middle
River,
including
resolution
77-07
bill
60-07,
section
2260.2,
Point,
F
of
the
Baltimore
County
zoning
regulations,
the
winless
Run
bird
River
Road
area
community
plan,
which
was
adopted
in
1999,
the
Middle
River
bird
River
community
plan,
which
was
adopted
in
2002,
and
then
the
Middle
River
community
plan,
which
is
adopted
in
2007..
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U
The
specific
objective
criterias
are
stipulated,
as
well
as
the
design
review
elements
and
the
design
review
Elements,
which
are
showing
on
the
right
side
of
this
page
we're
going
to
come
back
to
as
we
review
each
section
just
to
confirm
that
we've
met
those
guidelines
and
we
believe
it.
We
believe.
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We've
met
all
of
those
guidelines
and
to
illustrate
how
so
again
we're
going
to
begin
with
a
say,
planning
and
circulation
and
then
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
mix
those
up
a
little
bit
just
in
terms
of
order
of
our
presentation,
beginning
of
the
safe
time
and
circulation,
and
then
moving
to
the
open
space
system
and
then
talking
about
landscaping
and
then
ending
with
building,
so
that
that
next
slide.
Please.
U
Before
we
dive
into
the
details
of
the
plan,
we
believe
it's
important
to
set
the
context
and
understanding
of
the
site's
context
and
physical
environment
as
it
relates
to
how
we
were
Fields
fits
in.
So
the
site
which
is
identified
in
light
here
is
essentially
located
in
the
Middle
River
Community.
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Actually,
let
me
step
back
the
the
road
that
circulates
from
the
north
side
of
the
site
around
on
the
east
side,
at
White,
Marsh
Boulevard,
that
is
Route
23,
Campbell
Boulevard
cuts
through
the
site
and
connects
with
Route
43
and
also
up
to
Route
7,
provides
direct
access
for
the
project
to
White
Marsh
Boulevard
route
7.,
and
then
the
project
is
really
strategically
located
in
the
in
this
area
to
serve
the
growing
an
aging
population
of
each
here
in
Baltimore
County,
specifically
surrounding
us.
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The
site
is
literally
located
between
the
preserved
winless
run
and
what
you
don't
see
here,
which
is
part
of
a
development
plan,
that's
going
through
the
approval
cross
process.
Right
now
is
the
Spiegel
property,
which
is
immediately
to
our
West.
If
you
will
immediately
adjacent
and
directly
accessible
for
the
Campbell
Boulevard,
but
we
have
the
Greenleaf
development.
We
have
the
crossroads
of
Baltimore
Crossroads
at
95..
We've
got
a
variety
of
larger
large
format:
Logistics
e-commerce
facilities.
We've
got
a
number
of
different
residential
communities
that
have
been
developed
over
a
period
of
time.
U
U
Physical
contexts
and
features
of
the
site
as
Illustrated
in
the
map
on
the
upper
left,
the
Zoning
for
the
property
is
the
Dr
3.5,
br2
and
dr1
is
mainly
Dr
3.5.
The
total
property
is
56.69
Acres.
It's
divided
into
two
Parcels
there's
a
small
division
line
which
you
can
see
on
both
the
zoning
map
and
as
well
as
the
the
aerial
photograph
the
property
to
the
Northwest,
is
called
the
row
property.
The
properties
in
the
Southeast
is
called
the
stoker
property.
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The
total
permitted
density
is
permitted
under
the
zoning
regulations
is
a
165
homes.
We
are
proposing
a
total
154..
The
site
data
that
you
see
is
obviously
very
detailed.
That
comes
directly
from
the
development
plan.
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It's
just
contextual
for
this,
but
if
you
go
down,
if
I
look
at
the
aerial
photograph,
there's
a
mixture
of
scrub,
shrub
old
agricultural
fields
and
Forest,
there's
24
specimen
trees
on
the
site.
What
you
see
is
light.
Green
is
Wetlands.
What
you
see
is
blue,
it's
floodplain,
and
what
you
see
is
the
dark
green
is
the
an
existing
Force
conservation
easement.
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But
most
notably,
the
project
is
bisected
by
Campbell
Boulevard,
which
was
constructed
within
the
last
two
three
years
and
access
points
off,
Campbell
Boulevard
were
provided
for
the
site,
so
collectively
the
environmental
features
and
the
access
points
off.
Campbell
Boulevard
really
set
up
the
form
for
the
proposed
residential
neighborhood.
It's
really
critical.
U
Those
are
essentially
the
access
points
off
Campbell
Boulevard.
But
overall,
it's
really
important
to
note
that
Weaver
Fields
is
being
developed
in
importance
with
the
existing
Zone
there's
no
PUD
or
special
organization.
That's
governing
the
development
of
the
site.
It
is
being
developed
in
accordance
with
the
existing
Zone
next
slide.
Please.
U
With
an
understanding
of
the
site's
context
and
its
Regulatory
and
physical
constraints
to
dive
into
the
site
planning
circulation,
our
overall
goals
for
the
site
planning
effort
were
to
preserve
the
existing
environmental
features
of
the
site.
The
wetlands,
Forest
conservation,
specimen,
trees
and
floodplain
that
we
just
reviewed
to
respect
our
neighbors,
our
neighbors
to
the
north,
that
it
currently
exists
in
The
Preserve
at
one
of
the
shrine
and
our
future
neighbors
to
what
we
the
bottom
of
this
image.
That's
on
the
Spiegel
property
to
utilize,
the
existing
camera
Boulevard
access
points.
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Those
were
designed,
unfortunately,
designed
in
appropriate
places
where
we
could
directly
access
them.
So
they
do
not
need
to
be
relocated.
So,
obviously,
plan
on
using
those
another
goal
is
to
focus
the
amenities
on
our
target
market.
What
we're
specifically
sharing
will
describe
in
detail
later
is
what
is
is
provided
to
serve
our
proposed
Market
and
then
to
meet
all
of
the
existing
stormware
imaginary
requirements
on
site.
Getting
through
a
little
bit
of
detail,
the
main
entrance
for
the
property
provides
access
if
I'm
driving
down
Campbell,
Boulevard
and
I.
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I
U
An
identity
standpoint
and
a
marketing
standpoint
and
a
phasing
standpoint
with
that.
One
access
point
we'll
be
able
to
illustrate
both
product
types
that
are
being
proposed
and
and
be
able
to
provide
those
initially
upfront
and
begin
continue
to
develop
to
the
left
for
the
Villas
and
to
the
right
for
the
single
family
homes.
We've
also
had
amenities
on
both
sides,
which
is
you
know,
very,
very
important:
to
provide
direct,
accessible
amenities
to
Residents,
which
we'll
describe
in
a
little
greater
detail.
U
It
is
important
to
note
that
you
know
one
of
our
goals,
as
we
said,
was
to
reserve
the
existing
specimen
threes
and
we
we
had
reserved
22
of
the
24
specimen
trees.
If
you
look
in
the
center
of
the
of
the
plan,
there's
a
cluster
of
trees,
there's
a
cluster
of
specimen
trees
in
that
location,
as
well
as
a
lemon,
and
that's
why
that's
been
preserved.
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It's,
a
Wonderful
amenity
when
I
look
at
the
site
plan
you'll
see
that
you
know
almost
all
of
the
residence
Focus
back
onto
or
front
arm
to
an
amenity,
but
the
exception
of
that
interior
Loop
over
on
the
right
hand,
side.
But
everybody
has
great
amenity
Frontage,
which
is
really
really
important
next
slide.
Please.
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U
There
are
a
total
of
52.,
so
we
have
a
proposed
a
total
of
154
homes
within
Weaver
fields
that-
and
we
are
permitted,
remember
165,
so
we're
below
the
permitted
density
for
the
community.
There
are
no
homes
that
are
backing
out
onto
Canada,
Boulevard
or
that
are
double
fronted
in
the
community.
Again
we're
really
focusing
on
providing
homes
that
directly
adjacent
to
an
amenity.
We.
C
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E
U
In
fact,
these
are
larger
Lots
than
we'll
stream
proposed
to
speak
of
the
property
adjacent
to
our
neighbors,
and
then
the
the
darker
brown
that
you
see
in
the
darker
orange,
which
you
see
are
those
homes
which
we
believe
are
probably
visible
and
will
be
provided
with
additional
architectural
enhancements
on
the
side,
elevations
that
reflect
that
Public
public
visibility.
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Next
slide,
please
diving
into
the
details
of
each
one
of
the
loss.
We
provided
some
of
the
long
layouts
from
both
our
development
plan
and
pattern
book,
and
we
have
front
loaded,
single-family
homes.
We
have
side
loaded,
single
family
homes.
There
are
a
couple
of
opportunities
throughout
sprinkle
throughout
the
community
that
where
we
can
provide
a
side-leaded
garage
for
for
the
singles,
and
then
we
have
our
our
federal
units,
all
have
two
cars
front,
garages
or
side
garages
or,
and
then
they
have
two
tanning
spaces.
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U
U
It
includes
a
30-foot,
cart
way:
six
foot,
landscape,
Islands
or
what
I
call
Parkways
on
both
sides
of
the
roadway
and
then
five
foot
sidewalks
outside
of
the
landscape
stretch,
so
the
Parkways
that
comprises
the
52
Foot
Right
employee,
and
then
we
have
a
25
foot,
minimum
front
yard
setback
for
the
fronts
of
those
units
for
parking
and
driveways
and
access
as
well.
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So
going
back
to
the
design
criteria
that
we
that
we
talked
about
in
the
beginning,
you
know
from
a
site
planning
standpoint
the
design
criteria
or
grading
retention
of
existing
vegetation
building
orientation.
What
faces
the
street
arrangement
of
the
buildings
and
spaces
between
the
buildings
where
a
circulation
standpoint?
It's
our
road
alignment,
pedestrian
access,
integration
of
streets
and
pedestrians,
parking
mix
and
garage
parking
mix
and
location
and
access
and
I
think
we've
been
able
to
address
and
meet
all
of
those
criteria
that
you
see
here
that
are
identified
in
the
review
criteria.
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In
the
review
manual,
you
know
we
think
that
we've
done
an
excellent
job
on
the
overall
site
planning
for
the
community
next
slide.
Please
now
diving
into
the
open
space
system.
Again
we
wanted
to
provide
a
variety
of
active
and
passive
open
space
throughout
the
community.
We
wanted
to
interconnect
these
amenities
with
the
sidewalk
and
trail
system
and
we
wanted
to
connect
the
adjacent
with
the
adjacent
Trail,
the
preserved
winless
run,
which
is
on
the
top
of
this
image
for
the
betterment
of
both
of
those
communities.
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I
U
Evenly
distributed,
distributed
between
both
sides
of
the
community
on
both
sides
of
Campbell
Boulevard,
the
heart
of
the
amenities
facility
in
many
programs
for
Weaver
Fields,
is
the
large
Village
Green,
which
is
on
the
right
side
of
capable
of
our
bottom
of
this
image.
I'll
dive
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
that.
Then
we
have
a
nice
active
pocket
part
to
the.
U
Of
Canberra
Boulevard,
where
you
see
that
triangle
to
piece
we
have
a
passive,
but
you
know,
could
could
be
programmed
for
active
uses,
small
Public
Square
at
the
corner
in
the
center
of
the
community,
and
then
we
have
two
larger
passive
Recreation
areas
where
our
trail
system
will
enter
trolling
with
the
preservatives
in
the
surrounding.
So
collectively
we
have.
We
think
we
have
a
great
open
space
system
next
slide.
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Please
I'm
going
to
dive
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
each
one
of
these
programs
elements
the
starting
from
the
left
and
moving
clockwise
around.
That
is
the
kind
of
the
active
pocket
part
in
The
Villa,
section
it'll
be
programmed
with
a
Pergola
seating
areas,
nicely
landscaped
trash
receptacles
bike
rack
and
at
West.
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Waste
Station
it'll
also
provide
access
to
the
trail
system
that
you
see
going
counterclockwise
around
12
o'clock
here
that
trail
system
inter
waves
are
weaves
throughout
an
existing
Forest
preservation
area
that
we're
going
to
retain,
which
we
think
will
provide
a
nice
reprieved
for
residents
and
sit
down
at
the
pocket
park
and
then
get
up
and
walk
into
the
national
part
of
the
side
and
then
come
back
moving.
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U
The
again
clockwise
to
around
one
o'clock,
this
is
an
appendage
that
goes
up
on
the
right
side
of
Canberra
Boulevard
into
the
villages
run.
There
is
an
existing
Trail
Network
on
The
Preserve
at
Renaissance
run,
and
this
would
interconnect
with
that.
It
would
then
connect
down
to
our
Public
Road
and
then
actually
between
we
launched
down
to
the
Village
Green,
which
is
about
three
o'clock
on
this.
U
You
know,
kind
of
in
in
the
center,
with
some
nice
larger
planetarium
that
is
actually
circumnavigated
by
a
trail
system
that
would
replace
the
public
sidewalk
in
this
section,
as
opposed
to
having
a
sidewalk
within
the
public
right-of-way,
we
decided
to
kind
of
pull
it
off
and
have
it
Meander
around
the
perimeter
of
this
Village
Green
area,
so
that
it
would
be
more
naturalistic
and
provide.
You
know
a
nice
differentiation
between
that
and
the
sidewalk
system
and
then
right
in
the
center
you'll
see
the
small
kind
of
pocket
part
which
is
located.
U
We've
got
a
motor
receptacle.
There.
We've
also
got
a
bike
rack
there,
and
then
we've
got
screening
for
the
adjacent
use
that
could
be.
You
know.
Kind
of
this
is
where
I
walk
the
dog
at
night.
It's
centrally
located
in
this
portion
of
the
section
of
the
community,
so
it'll
just
be
a
nice
kind
of
again
passive
enjoyment.
Side
next
slide.
Please.
U
Here
are
the
details
of
you
know
the
specific
amenity
program,
the
amenities
that
we're
talking
about.
Obviously,
a
pickleball
court.
We've
got
four
of
them.
That's
really
really
important.
The
four
pickleball
courts
that
can
actually
become
very
competitive.
The
orthopedic
surgeons
in
the
neighborhood
will
love
it
because,
there's
you
know
I'm
just
kidding
so
with
four
pickleball
courts
there,
or
we
actually
can't
have
a
competitive
league.
U
If
you
only
have
two,
unfortunately,
you
don't
have
enough,
but
if,
with
four
this
can
be
somewhat
competitive,
so
Weaver
Fields
could
compete
against
other.
U
In
the
area
should
they
have
equal
pickable
access,
we
have
the
20
by
20
Pavilion
shown
that
will
be
in
the
center
of
the
Village
Green
again
that'd
be
open,
we
would
have
site
Furnishings
in
there
and
it
would
just
be
a
place
to
kind
of
relax
on
a
sunny
day
if
I'm
waiting
for
the
pickleball
or
if
I
you
know
just
want
to
just
hang
out
and
have
a
picnic
with
my
family,
that's
a
good
place
to
go.
U
And
I
hear
some
additional
details:
The
Pavilion,
which
would
be
located
in
the
pocket
park
on
the
left
side
of
Campbell
Boulevard
in
the
Villa
section.
We
also
have
you
know,
fence
details.
This
is
where
our
bike
rackets
proposed.
Bicycle
Rock
was
proposed
as
and
our
benches
are
proposed,
as
I
mean
next
slide.
Please.
U
Okay,
so
on
the
open
space
system
getting
back
to
the
criteria,
the
review
criteria
really
talk
about
the
type,
accessibility,
location
and
amenities
within
our
open
space,
and
we
believe
we've
provided
a
diversity
of
amenities
within
the
community,
but
the
amenities
are
targeted
to
our
our
proposed
marketing,
which
will
Mr,
Gold
and
Mr
crosson
will
described
momentarily
and
that
their
locations
are
mixed
throughout
the
entire
community.
U
So,
regardless
of
Northern,
you
know
the
left
side
of
Campbell
Boulevard
or
the
right
side
of
campbellboro
I
have
an
immediately
accessible
amenity,
but
through
the
sidewalk
system
in
the
public
road
I'll
be
able
to
directly
access
all
of
them,
which
we
think
is
critical.
So
we
believe
we
have
met
the
open
space
criteria
in
the
design
criteria.
U
The
design
review
criteria
now
going
on
to
Landscaping
the
landscape
plan
that
you
see
here
or
the
plants
you
see
here
actually
is
also
the
landscape
plan,
which
was
detailed
and
full
in
the
development
plan,
as
well
as
the
pattern
book.
Specifically,
we
were
required
to
provide
500.
U
Maybe
when
planting
units
we
are
providing
585
planting
units
exceeding
the
planting
unit
requirement
for
the
community,
but
overall,
what
we
really
were
focusing
on
is
Strong
Street,
strong
streetscape,
especially
along
Campbell
Boulevard,
to
provide
continuity
along
Campbell
Boulevard
and
as
it
reaches
into
the
community,
on
the
right
and
left
side.
And
then
all
the
street
trees
proposed
within
the.
U
U
Landscape
requirements
next
slide.
Please,
and
then
here
are
some
additional
details
in
terms
of
the
detail:
landscape,
architectural
design
for
the
community,
the
Pet
Life
station,
the
trash
receptacle,
the
paving
units.
So
when
again,
when
we
look
at
the
landscape
requirements
as
specified
in
the
design
retail
handbook,
the
Landscaping
standpoint
where
the
plant
materials
plant
materials
haven't
necessarily
been
selected,
yet
we
have
strictly
a
development
plan,
the
streetscape
of
Hardscape
site,
Furniture
relationship
to
the
architecture
and
site
screening
lighting
signage.
The
last
thing
to
talk
about
really:
oh
I'm.
Sorry,
we.
U
Proposed
street
light
there
is
a
small
retaining
wall
and
the
group
mailboxes,
like
you,
see
here
one
more.
If
you
build
one
more
slide,
please
there
are
proposed
signage
along
Campbell
Boulevard.
The
signage
that
to
the
left
is
at
the
entrance
on
the
bottom,
where
it
will
be
on
both
sides
of
Campbell
Boulevard
I
got
to
find
River
Fields
and
the
peer
sign
that
you
see
on
the
right
upper
right
would
be
at
the
upper
intersection,
the
singular
intersection
with
Campbell
Boulevard.
U
Motif
with
either
a
parched
concrete,
which
is
shown
in
the
beige
or
some
type
of
defense
or
Stockwell,
and
then
pin
down
letters
by
some
relief
for
that,
and
so
that
wraps
up
the
the
discussion
regarding
Planet
circulation,
open
space
and
Landscaping,
and
now
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
Mr
Gold.
To
talk
about
building.
V
Thanks
Sean
and
thanks
to
the
Erp
for
having
us
here
to
make
our
presentation
I'm
going
to
be
very
brief
and
then
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Craig
Carlson
from
Green
Spring
Builders,
to
talk
specifically
about
the
architecture
but
I
want
to
let
the
the
panel
know
how
excited
we
are
about
this
project.
One
of
the
things
that
we
all
know
is.
V
We
have
an
aging
population
that's
nationally,
but
in
particular
in
Baltimore
County
and
the
one
thing
I
can
tell
you
after
30
years
of
doing
it,
we
build
basically
the
same
thing
over
and
over
and
over
again,
and
we
expect
people
to
live
in
the
same
units
that
we
build
wherever
we
build
them.
So
this
project
is
not
your
mother's
Community.
When
it
comes
to
project
product
we
have
a
hundred
and
two
Villas.
This
is
first
floor
Masters.
This
is
a
30
by
60
foot
product.
V
My
wife
and
I
just
recently
got
back
from
Columbus
Ohio,
where
we
visited
some
friends
that
recently
retired
there
we
actually
lived
in
one
of
these
units
for
four
days.
It
was
really
spectacular
the
way
it
caters
to
what
we
call
the
two
to
eight
Market
two-day
Market
are
the
folks
retiring
in
the
next
two
to
eight
years.
So
this
is
all
first
floor,
Master
product
it
is
really
necessary
in
our
in
our
County,
but
in
this
sub
Market
in
particular.
V
V
V
V
Also,
we
have
several
first
floor
Masters
in
the
single
families,
so
we're
pretty
excited
that
Weaver
Fields
does
not
give
you
what's
been
built.
Other
places
I'd
also
like
to
make
one
comment,
add
to
what
Sean
had
said:
there's
a
reason
behind
the
four
pickleball
courts,
and
that
is
that
the
pickleball
is
tournament
worthy
and
we've
learned
in
other
places
that
we've
built
it
that
when
you
have
two
or
three
courts,
you
can't
really
host
any
events,
and
so
we've
gone
to
the
expense
to
lay
it
out.
V
So
this
could
actually
be
something
special,
and
you
know
you
don't
see
a
swimming
pool.
You
don't
see
a
pool
house,
you
don't
see
a
Tot
Lot
and
that's
not
what
this
community
is
about
all
right.
This
community
is
catering
to
basically
me.
V
More
more
of
the
folks
in
and
around
retirement
age.
So
with
that
I
told
you
I'd
keep
it
short
I
wanted
to
set
it
up.
I
want
to
turn
it
over
to
Craig
Carlson
third
generation
builder
in
Baltimore,
County,
pretty
impressive
I
think
you'll
feel
the
same
way
when
you
see
his
product,
so
Craig
you
want
to
take
over.
W
Hi
everybody,
and
thanks
so
much
for
having
me
we
are
Green
Spring
homes
we
build
in
and
around
Baltimore
County.
We
also
build
in
Harford
County
we've
built
several
hundred
homes
in
the
area,
a
smaller
communities
down
to
single
Lots,
Customs
semi-customs,
the
the
the
product
that
Ed
described
to
you.
We
couldn't
be
more
excited
about.
We
have
been
building
our
single
family
detached
homes
with
first
floor
owner
Suites
for
several
years,
with
a
a
great
reception
into
the
community.
W
It
tends
to
work
out
that
they,
they
start
their
search
by
looking
at
all
the
resales
that
they
can
and
there's
just
really
very
difficult
to
find
anything
or
they're,
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
take
a
single
family
and
do
a
renovation
to
it
and
somehow
add
a
room
to
the
side
or
whatever.
The
case
is
so.
We've
we've
known
for
quite
a
while
or
have
felt
kind
of
in
our
hearts
for
quite
a
while.
It's
the
right
way
to
go
that
Baltimore
county
is
in
very
much
need
of
first
floor
living.
W
So
that
folk
can
can
you
know,
do
the
quote-unquote
agent
age
in
place
and
and
be
able
to
stay
close
to
their
families
and
and
what
have
you
so
if,
if
whoever
could
could
possibly
move
the
slides
down
to
bring
it
up
to
our
our
single-family
homes,
that
would
be
helpful.
W
So
what
you're
looking
for
at
here
are
are
two
different
styles.
The
first
one
is
a
is
a
first
floor
owner
Suite
with
three
or
four
bedrooms
upstairs
the
second
one
would
be
a
two-story
with
all
the
bedrooms
upstairs
and
if
you
could
page
down
to
the
next
slide,
please
a
similar
situation
here,
where
the
top
one
would
be
a
a
home
that
has
a
first
floor
owner
Suite
with
bedrooms
upstairs
and
then
a
two-story
again.
W
One
of
the
things
that
we
found
has
been
a
great
draw
is
a
modern
Farmhouse,
as
well
as
a
craftsman
style
home,
and
we
do
not.
We
do
not,
and
nor
do
we
want
to
build
your
traditional
standard
boxes.
As
you
can
see,
we
try
to
bring
an
attractive
view
where,
when
someone
comes
to
their
home,
that
they
look
at
it
from
the
outside
and
say
wow,
this
is
very
attractive
and
I'm
very
pleased
with
the
look
of
it
Etc.
W
So
we
design
with
that
in
mind,
we
we
have
designers
that
give
input
to
our
architect
architect
as
well,
and
then
it
brings
out
these
plans
that
we
design
we've
been
fortunate
that
we've
been
recognized
through
MBA
MBI,
a
with
several
Awards
on
these
designs
on
our
homes
that
have
recognized
that
as
well
I
mean
if
you
could
go
ahead
and
go
down
to
the
next
slide.
If
you
would
please
thank
you
and
then
these
are
our
villa
homes
again,
something
that
we
feel
is
is
very
unique,
very
attractive.
W
We
we
again
Incorporated
a
farmhouse
Flair
or
a
Craftsman
flare
to
these
homes
and
the
idea
of
of
of
having
a
home.
That's
a
that's
in
this
size
in
that
30
by
60
30
by
65,
as
Ed
had
described,
is
allows
us
to
put
in
a
a
first
floor.
Owner.
W
Suite
also
allows
us
to
offer
an
office
space
on
the
first
level
if
somebody
wants
to
work
from
home
and
then
there's
a
there's,
a
two
or
three
bedroom
option
to
be
able
to
go
upstairs
and
utilize
that
as
well
and
the
homes
are
two-car
garage.
Two
and
a
half
bath
homes
optional.
Three
in
certain
certain
style
homes
Etc,
but
the
whole
idea
was-
is
to
try
to
bring
a
product
that
is
very
unique
to
the
area.
That's
attractive.
W
That
would
fit
into
the
motif
of
what
of
what's
being
designed
there
at
Weaver
Fields.
So
with
that,
I'd
like
to
certainly
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
B
Well,
thank
you
very
much
and
to
the
entire
team,
very
thoughtful
design
and
and
and
really
well
done.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
at
this
point
we'll
go
to
Marta
to
see.
If
there's
anybody
signed
up
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
community,
Marta
Brett
or
Jennifer,
do
we
have
anybody
signed
up.
N
I
I,
don't
think
I
have
any
a
requests
for
speaking
that
I
do
have
a
a
community
person
that
has
requested
asked
a
question,
sure
I'm
sure
I'm,
not
sure
if
he
wishes
to
speak.
He
didn't
make
that
request,
but
he
did
ask
a
question
that
I'm
happy
to
read
out
loud
mister
Antonio
Harrison
has
asked
or
stated
that
they
live
at
26.
Oldfield
Court
currently
have
Woods,
as
the
view
wanted
to
know.
N
If
this
will
be
preserved
or
how
much
the
woods
will
be
lost
to
the
Weavers
Fields
development,
they're
behind
units
1046
and
1048
on
the
site
plants.
M
Yeah
I
think
keeping
up
the
landscape
plan
for
for
him
to
for
the
Community
member
to
see.
Perhaps
he
could
Orient
us
if
he's
on
the
left
or.
E
N
104.6
and
1048,
wherever
the
development
is
backing
up
to
Old
Field
Court,
which
I'm
not
very
familiar,
not
sure.
If
that's
over
on
the
left
side
here
that
I'm
looking
at
West
of
Campbell
Boulevard
that
little
pod.
I
V
It
has
to
be,
it
has
to
be
on
the
short
side
of
Campbell
all
the
way
to
the.
M
U
Right
here,
yeah,
so
the
if
I
can
go
to
I
can't
bring
them
to
development,
but
there
are
some
existing
trees.
There
some
will
be
retained,
some
will
be
removed.
Obviously
there
will
be,
as
you
can
see
here,
additional
plantings
provided
there,
but
we
have
maintained
trying
to
determine
these
that
buffer.
U
It
looks
like
it's
a
30
to
40
foot
buffer
between
the
home,
that
is
at
the
end
of
the
Cold
sack
on
Ultra
court
and
our
units.
What
we're
showing
is
I
mean
it's
11,
12,
13
and
14.
M
And
I
see
that
there's
been
another
question
about.
Would
this
be
a
senior
community
so,
as
Ed
gold
was
explaining
this,
this
community
essentially
would
be
attractive
to
those
55
and
up,
but
we
are
not
proposing
that
it
be
restricted
to
those
55
and
up
Ed.
Did
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that?
No.
V
I
think
that's
exactly
right,
that's
that's
it!
That's
exactly
right!
Patsy,
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
be
very
cognizant
of
is
we
call
it
the
two
to
eight
Market.
V
So
we
want
people
who
maybe
have
had
children
earlier
in
age
and
want
to
stay
at
Baltimore
County.
We
have
found
that
people
just
don't
want
to
move
away
from
their
churches
away
from
their.
You
know,
shopping
their
grocery
stores,
their
friends.
They
want
to
stay
really
where
they
are.
V
They
just
don't
want
a
big
house
and
we're
proposing
that
these
have
full
basements,
which
is
also
a
big
draw,
because
what
happens
when
you
move
out
of
a
large
home
I,
don't
know
what
the
technical
term
is,
but
I
think
it
is.
Where
do
you
put
all
your
junk,
and
so
you
need
a
basement
to
put
all
your
stuff
instead
of
in
your
garage,
understood.
M
Okay,
well,
thank
you.
What
will
be
the
price
range
of
the
homes
and
do
you
have
an
estimate
at
this
point?
I
know
it's
very
early
in
the
process,
and
everyone
has
to
understand
that.
W
I
I'd
be
happy
to
to
respond
to
that
yeah.
At
this
point,
it's
it's
very
difficult
to
to
get
to
that
place,
depending
on
the
timing
of
the
of
the
of
the
neighborhood
being
approved
and
everything
moving
forward
with
with
costs
and
materials
and
things
of
where
they
are.
If
I
call
to
ascertain
that
at
this
time,
that's
probably
the
best
way
to
answer
that.
B
Right,
the
department
of
planning
staff
has
anybody
else
signed
up
with
questions.
N
No,
we
do
not.
Okay,.
B
Great.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
let's
go
to
Marta
for
the
staff
report.
Marta.
Could
you
please
read
the
department
of
planning
staff
report.
A
Thank
you
Joe.
So
the
department
of
planning
prepared
this
stuff
report
based
on
the
comprehensive
Manual
of
development
policies
in
Middle
River
Community
Plan,
main
restaurant
River,
Area
Community,
Plan,
Baltimore,
County,
Landscape
manual,
bathroom
countries
on
education,
section
260,
the
master
plan,
2020
middle
developer,
River
area
plan
for
2002,
Middle,
River
employment
center
area
plan
part
one
from
2002
and
Eastern
Baltimore,
County
reputation,
strategy
strategy
from
1996.,
so
in
regards
to
site
design
staff,
recommends
approval
in
regards
to
form
an
image.
Staff
recommends
approval
in
regards
to
open
speech,
space
and
landscape
design.
A
Staff
recommends
approval,
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
label
all
proposed
amenities
on
the
landscape
plan
provide
locations
for
the
proposed
bike,
racks
benches
and
trash
receptacles
and
label
them
on
the
landscape
plan
number
two
provide
a
list
of
the
proposed
plants,
trees
and
shrubs.
The
use
of
native
plants
is
strongly
encouraged
in
regards
to
streets,
parking
and
circulation
staff
recommends
approval,
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
label:
the
proposed
crosswalks
across
Campbell
Boulevard
on
the
development
plan
and
also
show
and
label
them
in
the
pattern
book
number
two
label
on
the
plan.
A
Additionally,
garages
May
project
Beyond
eight
feet
out
to
15
feet,
provided
that
the
projection
is
equal
to
or
less
than,
30
percent
of
the
total
width
of
the
building
unit,
which
includes
the
garage
if
a
garage
projection
is
30
or
less
of
the
overall
facade
with
porches
from
not
be
required,
an
upgraded
style
garage
door
shall
be
used
in
order
to
incorporate
the
garage
into
the
building
front,
and
this
concludes
the
planning
department
staff
report.
Joe.
Thank.
B
You
thank
you
very
much
Marta,
so
at
this
point,
I'm
going
to
open
it
up
to
my
fellow
panel
members
for
a
discussion.
So
one
second
here,
let
me
grab
my
list
and
we're
going
to
go
in
reverse
order
and
we're
going
to
start
with
Ms
Linda
Phelps
as
the
residential
reviewer.
M
B
Okay,
thank
you,
so
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
continue
on
to
the
panel
discussion
at
this
point:
okay,
Miss
Phelps.
It's
your
turn.
H
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
commend
this
developer
on
really
taking
his
time
and
making
this
a
unique
and
hearing
it
for
the
older
community,
which
we
really
do
need
to
see.
Senior
Housing
around
here
I
also
want
to
commend
them
on
keeping
trees
and
I,
have
no
other
further
comments
on
or
or
anything
that
I
disapprove
of.
I
agree
with
the
staff
recommendations.
B
Miss
Phelps:
let's
go
to
Mr
Walters.
R
Thank
you,
I've
got
three
comments
and
then
a
question
about
this.
The
staff
comments
about
the
garage
Frontage,
but
from
the
my
three,
the
comments,
the
first
I
think
the
individually.
The
Villas
are
really
well
proportioned,
put
together
and
have
a
a
nice
architectural
quality.
R
R
The
bill
has
looked,
are
very
well
thought
out,
but
when
they
start
to
match
with
another
style
next
to
each
other,
where
the
ruse-
or
maybe
it
was
further
down
the
Brews
hit
each
other,
where
the
the
Dormers
may
be
very
close
to
the
center
line.
It
feels
a
little
awkward
to
me
when
the
the
different
styles
mate.
R
A
good
like
the
the
Dormer
and
the
Addison
model,
or
how
the
the
roofs
are
close,
but
not
quite
on
the
standard
in
the
Charleston
model
there
at
the
bottom.
They
just
feel
like
it's
a
little
awk
to
me,
a
little
awkward
where
the
the
different
styles
meet,
as
opposed
to
when
you
see
them
standing
alone
and
then
Martin.
R
If
you
could
go
up
one
side
or
two
slides,
my
other
or
sorry,
the
other
yeah,
the
other
direction,
one
more,
please
on
all
so
on
all
the
single
family
homes
you
have
four
all,
except
for
the
very
first
one
half
four
materials
of
which
generally
three
of
them
are
unique
and
they
may
be
a
different
color
of
one
of
the
sightings
to
make
up
the
fort.
R
But
the
first
model
actually
has
four
separate
materials,
and
it's
the
only
one
that
does
and
I
and
I
wonder
if
it's
busy-
and
it
has
one
too
many
unique
materials
compared
to
everything
else.
When
you
try
to
make
the
the
composition
and
then
the
my
final
comment
and
question,
if
you
go
down,
one
page,
is
on
the
Roosevelt
farmhouse
the
when
the
garage
isn't
there
like
in
this
in
the
rendering
shown
here
is
the
the
space.
R
That's
underneath
the
balcony
that
it
feels
like
it
wants
to
be
in
the
same
line
as
the
porch
or
it
wants
to
be
connected
and
enter
in
the
same
plane.
But
this
one's
pushed
out,
but
there's
no
habitable
space
underneath
it,
though
it's
right
in
in
line
with
the
porch,
that's
next
to
it.
M
Mr
Walters,
if
I
can
just
respond
to
that
quickly.
There
are
only
a
few
lots
that
that
have
the
option
of
a
side
load
garage
so
that
we
added
that
just
to
show
that
we
had.
You
know
we
had
a
model
that
could
have
a
side
load
so
just
to
keep
that
clear.
There's
only
going
to
be
a
few
lots
that
even
have
that
potential.
M
R
R
In
a
larger
okay,
okay.
B
So
Mr
Walters
are:
are
you
looking
for
Mr
Carlson
to
address
some
of
your
comments,
or
are
you
just
stating
them
for
the
record.
W
I
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
Mr
Walters!
If
we
were
to
start
with
the
the
The
Villa
product,
which
would
be
down
one
additional
Slide,
the
other
direction.
W
W
If
you
will
meaning
that
that
when
we,
when
we,
we
can
do
a
both
a
standard
and
reverse
of
these
plans,
and
so
right
now
we're
showing
just
some
different
looks
if
you
will
but
but
we'll
have
offsets
between
the
buildings
possibly
slightly
and
that
which
will
contribute
to
them
looking
more
appropriate.
Maybe
is
the
best
way
to
say
it
we
would
in
in
the
situation.
W
As
you
see
that
the
Charleston
and
the
Addison
model
the
that
application,
we
might
take
those
two
homes
and
switch
those
where
the
the
Addison
box
Bay
at
the
top
are
the
Box
storm.
Excuse
me
possibly
go
to
the
other
side,
so
the
your
points
are
well
made
and
and
agreed
that
that
we
would
take
that
into
consideration
when,
when
we
actually
do
the
construction
and
the
and
the
and
the
building
of
the
plans,
does
that
make
sense.
W
Okay,
if,
if
you
were
to
go
up
to
the
up
two
slides
to
the
that's
our
Bynum
home,
well,
we
we've
we've
built
this
home
and
we've
done
it
as
both
a
four
and
a
three
in
the
front
of
it,
and
it
becomes
a
really
a
personal
choice.
And
certainly
if
it's
something
that
the
that
that
the
panel
feels
like
hey
we'd
like
to
you
know,
have
it
as
a
three
versus
a
four.
We
could
certainly
accommodate
that.
W
It's
been
popular
both
ways
for
us
and
if
you
were
to
see
it
kind
of
out
there,
if
you
will
for
lack
of
a
way
to
say
it,
you'd
get
a
better
feel
for
it.
But
again,
if
that's
something
that
the
panel
would
would
insist
on,
then
we
would
certainly
want
to
respect
to
honor
that
and
then,
as
Patsy
had
said
earlier,
in
a
corner
lot
situation.
W
All
of
these
homes
could
have
a
side
load
application
with
winners
in
the
front
and
just
we're
showing
that
other
one.
To
give
you
a
feel
for
what
that
would
look
like.
B
Great,
does
that
conclude
your
comments?
Mr
Walters,
it
does
okay,
great,
let's
go
to
Mr
om
kurgicar.
F
Thank
you,
This
was
I
would
like
to
commend
the
team
for
a
very
thorough
presentation.
F
F
I
have
I
have
two
questions
that
I
would
like
to
to
discuss
regarding
the
site
plan.
I
think
I
know
the
answer
to
it,
but
I
would
like
to
can
you
or
can
you
go
to
one
of
the
site
plan
renderings.
F
22
of
the
24
specimen
trees
in
that
Center
Green
over
there
when
I
look
at
the
plants,
there
is
some
topography
in
that
and
and
to
to
that
effect,
I
appreciate
the
the
trail
system
that
you
are
introducing
the
walking
trails
are
really
important
and
you
know
considering
the
purpose
of
this
development.
I
think
that's
a
great
feature
to
have.
My
question
is
that
is
there
any
way
to
incorporate
another
loop
into
the
central
Green
Space
unless
there
was
some
kind
of
a.
F
F
The
one
that
is
shown
there
is
a
loop
on
the
left
hand
side.
So,
on
the
west
side
of
Carlson
Boulevard,
there
is
a
loop.
That's
shown
the
one
that
in
the
center,
where
there
are
from
what
I
understood
that
was
the
area
of
the
tree,
trees
that
were
preserved
the
specimen
trees,
yeah.
E
F
U
Great
idea,
because
we
can
connect
the
main
intersection
of
the
community
at
Campbell
and
that
southern
entrance
or
the
bottom
entrance
through
that
forested
area
up
to
that
small,
active
Recreation
Zone
in
that
corner,
so
that
those
residents
that
are
living
at
the
top
I'll
walk
over
toward
a
pocket
park
on
the
left
side
of
Campbell
Boulevard.
They
can
Meander
through
that
Forest.
That's
a
great
idea!
We'll
definitely
take
a
look
at
it.
M
The
only
thing
I
would
caution,
sir,
is
that
Environmental
Protection
has
approved
these
walking
paths
through
Forest
conservation.
If
that's
forced
buffer,
they
will
not
approve
it.
So
I'm
not
sure
what
that
area
is
I.
F
At
that
number,
two
just
staying
on
the
Walking
Trails,
just
a
question
is
when
they
cross
over
Road
and
I
know
these
plants
are
still
you
know
in
preliminary
stages,
but
there's
no
differentiation
in
material
in
terms
of
almost
a
crosswalk
or
a
change
in
material
where
they
connect
through
the
road
to
the
internal
roads.
F
I
would
recommend
looking
into
that,
because
I
think
the
system
is
very
powerful
and
if
there
is
a
way
to
have
a
strong
visual
connection
between
the
walking
trails
through
the
roads,
I
think
that
would
make
it
more
safer
for
for
people
to
walk,
and
then
the
third
question
I
have
is
again
going
back
to
the
woods
and
sort
of
seeing
the
hierarchy
of
these
natural
areas
and
the
way
I've
lived.
It
laid
it
out.
F
It's
it's
great,
however,
when
it
comes
to
the
east
side
of
Campbell
Boulevard
in
in
the
single
family
houses,
there
is
I,
see
that
there's
a
strong
wind
that
runs
between
the
the
layout,
that's
in
the
form
of
a
c
is
there
and
you
have
exceeded
the
number
of
planting
units
on
your
plan
and
I
appreciate.
That
is
there
a
way
to
add
more
shade
trees
in
between
these
units
to
give
them
more
privacy,
as
they
would
be.
Looking
at.
You
know
each
other's
Windows.
F
There
might
be
a
a
technical
issue
which
I
understand,
but
I
would
like
to
get
a
discussion
or
a
response.
Yeah.
I
I
think
if
I
can
Patsy
I
think
we
can
definitely
take
a
look
at
it.
We
have.
U
Storm
grain,
or
we
have
drainage
easements
behind
all
those
lots
that
we
have
to
respect,
but
you
know
the
actual
illustration
really
kind
of
calls
out
that
that
area
has
been
cleared
and
it
would
be
really
great
if
we
would
provide
some
planting.
It
was
back
here
to
to
break
up
to
provide
some
privacy
expansion.
I
said
we'll,
definitely
take
a
look
at
it.
F
Great,
thank
you
and
then
one
last
comment
is
that
and
again
I
know
the
the
images
are
representations
of
what
you're
thinking,
but
but
the
Gazebo
structure
that
is
in
the
in
that
Central
Open
Space,
where
the
pickleball
courts
are
looking
at
the
character
of
it.
I
was
really
drawn
to
the
architectural
character
of
the
homes
and
the
I
personally
love
the
farmhouse
style
and
I
I
feel
like
there
was.
There
is.
F
You
go
yeah
and
I.
You
know
I
kept
thinking
that
you
know.
Is
there
a
way
to
enhance
this
structure
so
that
it
has
a
better
tie
to
the
architectural
character
of
the
entire?
You
know
new
neighborhood,
which
might
be
a
very
powerful
thing
in
terms
of
connecting
these
these
buildings
to
the
landscape
and
in
the
public
open
spaces.
B
M
B
So,
let's
move
to
Mr
Sharma
Mr
Sharma.
If
you're
out
there
you're
up.
O
B
Thank
you.
Let's
go
to
Mr
Renault.
D
Hey
Jeff
yeah
I
Echo
's
comments
about
the
open
space
system,
just
a
couple
questions
regarding
that,
on
the
left
hand,
side
there's
the
active
kind
of
pocket
park
there
on
the
cul-de-sac.
Is
there
there
I
I,
see
the
grade
kind
of
at
that
northeast
corner
of
that
triangle?
Is
there
any
way
to
connect
that
back
to
the
Open
Space
Trail?
Just
to
you
know,
connect
that
back
to
the
trail
system.
D
D
The
second
is
at
the
the
main
park
on
the
Eastern
side.
March.
If
you
can
scroll
over
there,
there's
the
oval
park
space,
which
is
it
has
the
access
at
the
Gazebo
that
we
were
just
talking
about,
but
there's
no
other
way
to
get
to
the
circular
Park.
D
So
it
would
Envision
that
residents
will
probably
start
walking
through
the
grass,
so
I
would
either
recommend
creating
more
connections.
To
that
ellipse
or
removing
it
and
having
just
the
the
perimeter
walkway
that
the
applicant
described
about
Meandering
around
the
park
space,
letting
that
be
the
the
walkway,
so
it
just
seems
right
now.
The
way
it's
laid
out
just
seems
like
it's,
not
quite
usable.
D
Just
building
on
Ohm's
question
regarding
the
trees
to
the
left,
the
Tree
Preserve
and
it's
just
a
question
for
the
applicant-
is
the
second
road
entrance
needed
on
the
north
side
of
those
trees
or
could
the
could
that
road
actually
stop
and
be
a
cul-de-sac
at
the
two
Villa
units
which
would
allow
the
the
Tree
Preserve
and
the
open
space
to
connect
through
there
and
not
have
that
cut?
And
then
the
last
is
sorry.
I
have
one
more
it's
just
the
the
trail
on
the
western
side
of
Campbell
is
there?
D
Does
it
have
the
ability
to
connect
to
Campbell
Boulevard,
so
that
residents
could
Loop
and
walk
along
the
street
and
kind
of
create
that
Loop
versus
having
to
cut
back
through
the
community?
So
just
four
quick
questions
for
the
applicant.
M
M
We
would
need
the
second
means
of
access
and
then
I'll.
Let
Sean
pick
up
the
comments
about
connecting
the
trail,
the
ellipse
and
the
connections
through
to
that
and
your
last
question.
U
I
think
those
are
great.
Those
are
great
comments.
I
think
we
absolutely
take
a
look
at
providing
a
connection
from
the
pocket
park
back
to
the
trails.
There
are
some
slopes
there
that
we
have
to
deal
with
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
can
in
a
safe
manner,
I
really
like
the
idea
of
connecting
that
trail
back
up
to
Campbell
Boulevard
we've
got
to
take
a
look
at
the
environmental
restrictions
and
constraints
on
that.
U
To
do
it,
but
I
think
that's
definitely
possible
and
then
finally
I
think
it's
a
great
point.
The
original
concept
designed
for
that
ellipse
did
have
additional
connections,
but
you
know
based
on
the
size
of
it,
we
may
want
to
illuminate
them
ellipse
and
they
just
have
the
curvilinear
pathway
along
the
perimeter
in
lieu
of
the
sidewalk
and
thereby
provide
just
a
little
bit
more
open,
flexible
play
space
for
you
know
whatever.
If
you
want
frisbee
or
historical
picking,
throwing
a
blanket
down
to
a
picnic.
B
Thank
you.
So
let's
go
to
Mr
Khan.
S
Thank
you,
I
think
that
overall
plan
I
think
and
as
our
discussions
have
gone
along
is
really
successful
and
and
I
think
you've
done
a
great
job
sort
of
taking
advantage
of
this
particular
site.
S
The
concern
I
guess
one
question
I
really,
as
the
staff
wrote
which
we
haven't
answered
but
I
think
Patsy
was
going
to
answer
about
the
garages.
Yes,
can
you
do
that
so
yeah.
B
Why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
since
Mr
Khan,
you
had
a
question:
why
don't
you
go
ahead,
Patsy
and
go
ahead
and
address
that.
M
Sure
now
I
have
to
thank
Jen
Nugent,
who
gave
me
a
heads
up
on
this
when
she
remarks
that
the
the
projection
seemed
to
be
significant.
When
we
first
submitted
this
the
projection,
the
garage
is
projected
20
feet
in
front
of
the
Villas.
L
M
This
is
only
on
the
Villas.
There
was
the
comment
about
the
projection
on
the
Villas.
The
projection
on
the
single-family
homes
meets
the
regulation,
so
there's
no
issue
with
the
single
family
homes.
Now
the
Villas
again,
the
projection
was
20
feet,
so
I
immediately
went
back
to
green
spring
into
Mr
Gold
and
asked
them.
You
know
if
there
was
any
way
to
take
another
look
at
the
projection.
M
Even
leading
up
to
this
meeting.
I
certainly
wanted
to
address
these
issues
as
quickly
as
possible.
They
did
take
another
look
at
the
architecture.
M
They
have
been
able
to
reduce
the
projection
on
the
Villas
down
to
eight
feet,
which
satisfies
the
section
260,
with
the
addition
of
the
six
foot
wide
front
porch.
So
the
the
solution
would
be
we're
going
to
reduce
the
Villas,
the
garage
on
the
Villas
so
that
it
only
has
an
eight
foot
projection
and
we're
going
to
guarantee
there's
going
to
be
a
six
foot
wide
front
porch
on
each
unit.
M
We
are
also
making
the
commitment
to
have
the
architectural
garage
doors
so
the
floor
plans
have
not
been
introduced
to
you
or
the
planning
department.
We
wanted
to
wait
till
this,
but
the
floor
plans
have
been
updated
to
show
that
reduced
garage
projection.
M
The
individual
elevations
have
been
updated.
The
combined
elevations
have
been
updated
and
we
also
have
added
another
color
option
for
the
single
family
and
the
Villas.
So
if
you
could
scroll
forward
one
more
so
these
indicate
the
reduced
projection
now.
The
thing
I
do
have
to
caution
is
that
the
the
garage,
because
it's
a
double
garage
with
a
16
foot,
wide
door
on
a
30
foot
wide
unit
still
will
exceed
the
maximum
required.
It
will
actually
be
54
of
the
front
facade,
and
that
is
with
that.
M
We
are
committing
to
do
the
architectural
grade
garage
door
as
shown
on
here.
So
we
still
will
need
relief
for
the
Villa
unit
for
the
garage,
the
size
of
the
garage
door
on
the
unit,
but
we
have
eliminated
any
need
for
relief
for
the
projection.
So
this
is
one
of
the
I
think.
If
we
scroll
through
just
a
couple
of
them,
you
can
see
that
each
of
them
have
been
reduced
and
the
floor
plan
next
to
it.
M
I
think
will
show
you
that
in
the
six
foot
garage
door,
so
each
of
these
have
been
updated
to
that
and
they
actually
got
these
finished
today.
Just
to
show
you
with
the
reduced
projection
on
you
know,
putting
two
units
together.
I
know
that
doesn't
address
any
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
today
about
the
the
valley
units
but-
and
these
show
the
additional
color
which
the
planning
department
had
requested.
M
S
M
S
Yes,
so
overall
I
think
again,
it's
successful
I
would
hope
that
the
patterns
that
are
used
for
these
buildings,
particularly
on
the
side
by
side
models,
are
thoughtfully
put
together.
I
think
it.
S
It
gets
a
little
bit
awkward,
as
we've
said
when
some
of
these
models
are
adjacent
to
each
other
and
if
we're
being
asked
to
sort
of
broadly
approve,
this
I
would
hope
that
the
staff
would
have
would
be
able
to
sort
of
direct
some
of
that
in
some
cases
their
shutters
in
other
cases,
they're,
not
I,
just
think
as
as
sophisticated
as
the
concept
is
I
think
the
buildings
really
currently
at
least
fall
short
of
being
as
successful
as
the
overall
site
plan
and
that's
my
comment.
Sure.
M
Thank
you
and
we
would
certainly
work
with
the
planning
department,
as
the
project
moves
forward
and
I
I
guess
I
would
ask
their
advice
on
how
to
handle
that
issue.
E
N
N
So
you
know
we
can
we
obviously
already
really
take
a
scrutinized,
look
at
the
architecture
to
make
sure
that
it
does
meet
the
manual
of
regulations,
Section
260.6
of
the
cmdp
and
when
Patsy
was,
for
example,
when
Patsy
was
explaining
about
the
garage
door.
Width
offsetting
that
impact
with
certain
types
of
architectural
treatments
are
the
kinds
of
you
know,
nuances
and
compromises
that
we
work
through
with
with
the
applicants.
So
we
will
do
that
at
the
development
plan
prior
to
alj
hearing
phase,
the
planning
department
will
great.
E
B
B
Great,
let's
go
to
Miss.
E
P
I
wanted
to
also
commend
the
design
team
for
the
overall
thoughtful
nature
of
the
presentation.
All
my
comments
or
questions
have
actually,
it
would
be
a
repeat
of
of
every
I've.
Had
the
exact
same
comments,
the
one
more
cohesive
comment
on
the
pickleball
court,
all
where
all
that
all
the
exterior
structures
should
align
with
the
architecture
of
the
overall
of
the
overall
development,
it
wasn't
stated
exactly
as
that,
but
that
would
be
my
only
clarifying
statement.
B
Excellent
so,
as
I
get
to
go,
ninth
in
the
order,
a
lot
of
my
comments
have
already
been
brought
up.
B
I
actually
haven't
come
a
question
for
Marta,
as
it
relates
to
the
staff
report
and
then
I'm
going
to
take
that
response
and
ask
the
Mr
Davis
so
in
in
the
staff
report
under
streets
parking
and
circulation,
there's
a
recommendation
for
approval
conditioned
upon
providing
bike
Lanes
throughout
the
development
Martha.
Can
you
elaborate
or
whomever
made
the
comment
about
what
you're
looking
for
there.
A
Yes,
we've
made
this
comment,
hoping
that
the
applicant
can
explore
additional
opportunities
for
bike
Lanes
throughout
the
development,
because
there
is
a
there
is
currently
existing
bike
lane
along
Campbell
Boulevard.
But
if
you
can
oh
explore
more
options
on
providing
the
bike
lane
or
connections
throughout
the
development.
A
N
If
a
blank
plane
isn't
feasible,
some
sort
of
provision
for
bicycle
Transportation
through
the
development
and
that
could
be
signage
pavement
marking,
as
well
as
in
the
centralized
open
space,
may
be
providing
for
a
bike
rack
or
two
things
of
that
nature.
Excellent.
Thank
you.
I
was
trying
to
promote
alternative
transportation
opportunities
throughout
the.
B
County
yeah
and
and
where
I
was
going,
was
you
know
on
a
on
a
standard?
You
know
State
Highway
road.
There
might
be
a
travel
Lane
and,
and
perhaps
a
you
know,
four
five
foot
bike
lane
on
the
side,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that's
that's
not
what
you're
getting
at
so.
So
the
the
question
goes
back
to
Mr
Davis,
sir,
are
you
able
to
think
through
that
and
and
add
some
bike
racks
and
promote
bicycles
through
the
development
we.
U
Definitely
have
bike
racks
within
the
community
within
the
designated
active
Recreation
zones
for
drug
recognizing
people
will
ride
bikes,
who
believe
that
obviously
tying
into
Campbell
Boulevard,
where
there
is
the
bike
lane
I
mean
we're
accustomed
in
residential
neighborhoods
within
Baltimore
County,
but
there's
a
shared
use
provision
within
the
public
right-of-way
within
the
proposed
pavement
section
additional
markings
to
indicate
that
totally
totally
agree
with
so
we'll
explore
it
with
planning
excellent.
B
Thank
you
and
my
my
last
comment
is
to
Mr
Gold
when,
when
Mr
Gold
said
pickleball
we're
going
to
have
some
tournaments
here
and-
and
that
sounds
really
really
good.
When
you
get
your
hundreds
or
if
not
thousands
of
people,
where
are
they
going
to
park?
Where
are
they
going
to
park.
G
V
You
cannot,
you
can
have
open
competition
with
three
courts.
They
have
to
have
Four
Courts
have
open
competition,
so
it'll
be
it'll
it'll,
be
interesting.
How
we
draft
the
HOA
docs.
B
Gotcha
yeah,
thank
you.
It
was
partial
joke
partial
thinking
about
you
know
if,
if,
in
fact,
that's
that's
real
where
to
where
do
the
players
park,
so
thank
you
very
much
all
right,
so
I
think
Miss,
Malone
and
and
the
team
have
addressed
some
of
the
conditions
that
the
staff
report
made
we're
at
a
point.
B
Now
that
we
are
again
reminder
that
we
can
say
we
approve
the
project,
we
can
approve
the
project
with
conditions
or
we
can
ask
for
an
additional
review
with
a
second
meeting
that
would
be
required,
so
I'm
going
to
open
it
up
now
to
my
fellow
panelists
and
I'm.
Q
Q
Completely
understand
all
right
and
and
and
most
of
the
comments,
I
I
must
agree
with
I
mean
this
is
a
very
good
development
and
I
I.
Don't
really
have
much
to
say
outside
of
what
has
already
been
said,
but
I
guess
one
concern
I
have
or
a
talking
point
is:
is
there
on
within
this
site,
I,
which
I
didn't
see
on
any
of
the
the
the
seats
pertaining
to
a
service
dumpster
area
on
this
on
this
development?
Q
Okay,
the
other
is
the
other
concern.
I
have
is
the
pertaining
to
the
the
pickleball
court.
Q
I
just
want
you
to
really
be
aware
that
I
I
listened
to
a
TV
program
about
pickleball
course
and
the
noise
early
in
the
morning.
That
is
becoming
a
distraction
to
adjacent
Neighbors.
Q
So
as
long
as
you
are
aware
of
that
and
there's
the
proper
buffer
from
the
pickleball
courts
to
adjacent
properties
and-
and
you
you'll
be-
and
you
are
aware
of
that-
and
it's
it's
taken
into
consideration
that
that
that's
that's
my
comment
but
I
know
it
was
an
issue
there's
a
lot
of
developments
in
Florida
with
early
morning,
pickleball
happening
and
and
it
becoming
a
distraction
to
the
adjacent
Neighbors.
U
That's
a
great
Point
Mr
Stevens
we've
specifically
located
the
pickleballs
in
the
fronts
of
the
homes,
which
is
really
you
know
you
most
people
live
in
the
backs
of
their
home,
so
locating
it
in
the
fronts.
If
you,
if
you
look
around
that
Village
Green
you'll,
see
that
those
are
all
the
fronts
of
the
homes.
In
addition,
there's
there's
ample
opportunity
to
impose
hours
about.
You
know
hours
of
play
if
it
does
become
an
issue.
Q
B
Q
B
All
right,
so,
let's
try
this
again
we're
at
a
point
where
we
can
make
a
motion.
So
would
one
of
my
fellow
panel
members
like
to
make
a
motion.
N
F
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
plan
with
the
comments
that
were
discussed
and
stated
in
the
staff
report.
N
You
could
just
try
and
summarize
the
Salient
points
that
you
think
need
to
be
address
that
weren't
covered
in
the
staff
report
that
were
came
up
as
a
result
of
this
discussion
this
evening.
F
Okay,
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
for
approval
with
the
following
conditions
or
following
recommendations
for
the
team
to
consider
consider
a
a
trail
connections
through
the
roadways.
F
Consider
looking
into
the
central
wooded
area
to
provide
a
pedestrian
Trail
connection,
consider
a
architectural
style
for
the
outdoor
structures
and
and
the
amenity
structures
to
be
compliant
with
the
architectural
character
of
the
of
the
the
development
and.
F
I
think
I
think
that's.
That's
all
I
had.
B
Excellent
great
there's
a
motion
on
the
table
like
the
second
emotion
seconds,.
B
I
think
I
heard
Mr
Khan.
Second
in
motion,
all
in
favor
of
the
motion
say:
I
I,
sorry,
all
right
any
opposed,
so
everybody
said
I.
The
motion
carries
congratulations
and
best
of
luck.
Thank.
E
F
Thank
you
for
listening.
Thank.
B
B
You,
okay,
it
is
now
8
35
we've
covered
a
lot
this
evening.
Does
anybody
want
to
make
a
motion
to
adjourn
the
board
meeting.
B
Yeah,
it
sounds
like
everybody's
second
did
it,
but
yes,
but
but
for
the
record
I
think
Mr,
Stevens
seconded
all
in
favor,
say
aye
any
opposed.
The
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
Everybody
for
a
successful
meeting
and
I
have
a
great
rest
of
your
week.
Good.