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This
meeting
of
the
Baltimore
County
landmarks
preservation-
commission
is
now
in
session.
Please
note:
the
meeting
is
being
audio
recorded.
My
name
is
John
Holman,
chair
of
the
commission
and
I
will
be
running
tonight's
meeting,
where
your
volunteer
Representatives
appointed
by
our
County
council
person
or
county
executive
and
entrusted
to
monitor
Renovations
in
additions
to
our
Baltimore
County
historic
resources.
We
review
and
approve
nominations
to
the
Baltimore
County
preliminary
landmarks
list
and
comment
on
National
register
nominations.
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Additionally,
we
are
charged
with
evaluating
submissions
to
the
Baltimore
County
historic
tax
credit
program
that
encourages
the
appropriate
maintenance
and
renovation
of
designated
historic
properties
with
the
Commissioners.
Please
introduce
themselves
by
name
and
County
Council
District
of
representation.
We
can
go
and
order
on
the
PowerPoint
screen.
So
if
Lily's
not
with
us,
Chris
Weston
Chris.
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A
This
is
the
accepted
National
Standard
for
historic
preservation
projects,
our
own
Baltimore
County,
historic
preservation,
design
guidelines,
directly
reference
and
incorporate
the
secretary
of
the
Interiors
standards
for
rehabilitation.
We
have
important
preservation
issues
to
discuss
and
debate
at
each
meeting.
If
you
would
like
to
make
comments,
please
limit
your
comments
to
the
specific
application
or
proposal
submission
being
reviewed.
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We
ask
for
your
assistance
and
understanding
so
that
this
that
the
discussions
do
not
digress
as
an
additional
comment.
We
can
all
agree
that
historic
preservation
is
an
important
aspect
of
the
quality
of
life
in
place
that
makes
Baltimore
County
unique.
As
a
commission,
we
seek
to
recommend
significant
buildings
and
places
for
landmark
consideration
to
the
County
Council
for
their
final
vote
as
Commissioners.
We
serve
on
the
commission
due
to
our
expertise,
interests
and
passion
for
historic
buildings
and
places
and
review
submissions
based
solely
on
the
Merit.
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So
staff
reminders
for
virtual
meetings.
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B
I
Item
on
the
agenda,
we
must
sign
up
to
speak
at
the
to
speak
at
the
median
or
submit
written
testimony
to
staff
in
advance.
As
of
right.
Now
we
don't
have
anybody
signed
up
for
any
of
the
agenda
items.
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J
I
And
announce
it
by
name
and
allow
you
to
speak
when
the
at
the
appropriate
time,
and
also
just
a
reminder
that
the
information
in
this
PowerPoint
is
isn't
everything
that
was
submitted
by
the
applicants.
It's
just
a
summary
of
what
was
in
the
applications,
the
Commissioners
all
received
everything
that
was
submitted
in
application
packets
a
week
prior
to
the
meeting
to
review.
So
again,
this
is
just
the
stuff
presented
on
this.
Powerpoint
is
just
to
keep
the
meeting
moved
in
an
organized
manner.
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A
A
Me
Chris
your
your
meeting.
Thank
you
in
a
second
please
thank.
J
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So
we
have
two
consent
items
starting
with
number:
four
Towson
jail:
Associates
LLC
property
at
222,
Courthouse
Court
in
Towson,
County,
Council,
District
number
six.
This
is
final
landmarks
list
number
84,
Baltimore,
County,
Jail
and
just
as
a
background,
the
county
jail
is
a
two-story
Italian
style
Stone
building
originally
constructed
In
1855
and
was
used
as
a
correctional
facility
until
2006.
building
was
restored
in
2011
and
is
now
used
for
office
space.
The
applicant
proposes
to
install
a
four
by
two
foot:
canvas
awning
over
the
side.
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Entry
door
and
staff
recommendation
is
going
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
as
proposed
setting
Baltimore
County
design
guidelines,
facade
materials
pages
one
through
twelve,
and
then
we
have
the
Messenger
House,
the
Bob
Nash
property
at
14,
Chatsworth
Avenue
in
Glendon.
This
is
a
contributing
property
within
the
Glendon
County
historic
district
and
the
applicants
proposed
the
replacement
of
the
rare
non-historic,
staircase
and
railing
repairs
to
the
side.
Staircase
railing
and
front
porch
flooring,
Replacements
and
painting.
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A
Thank
you
Wendy,
and
then
we
need
to
do
a
a
roll
call
vote
for
these.
Please
Jessica
hi.
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J
K
Let's
see
we'll
try
Rey,
yes,
thank
you.
Phoebe,
yes,
Scott.
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K
You
non-property
located
at
331
West
Seminary
Road
in
Lutherville,
County
Council
District
number
three.
This
is
a
contributing
structure
and
the
property
is
known
as
the
Harvey
Tracy
house
and
was
constructed
in
the
Downing
boat
College
style
in
1885.
The
structure
once
served
as
the
Lutherville
telephone
exchange.
The
owners
wished
to
install
a
six
foot
shadow
box
style,
fencing
along
the
side
and
rear
yard.
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The
fencing
will
consist
of
pressure
Trader
Pine
that
will
begin
at
the
southeast
and
southwest
corners
of
the
home
and
extend
along
the
side
and
rear
yards
staff
has
no
issue
with
the
style
and
material
of
the
proposed
fencing.
However,
the
applicant
did
not
include
a
site
plan
that
identified
property
line,
streets,
neighboring
buildings,
existing
structures
and
any
existing
or
proposed
fencing
locations.
The
images
submitted
with
fencing
overlays
are
a
bit
confusing
and
difficult
to
determine
the
actual
location
of
the
fence.
In
addition,
no
clear
or
current
photos
of
the
house
were
submitted.
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Staff
use
real
estate
photos
from
2019.
Additionally.
The
Lutherville
historic
advisory
committee
submitted
comments
to
staff
and
were
subsequently
shared
with
the
commission.
Earlier
this
week,
the
Lutherville
historic
advisory
committee
had
some
confusion
over
the
location
of
the
proposed
funds.
In
addition,
they
had
concerns
on
the
side
yard
portion
being
higher
than
42
inches
and
had
additional
zoning
concerns.
Staff
recommends
that
the
current
proposal
will
be
denied
and
resubmitted
with
more
information
photos
in
the
site
plan.
The
current
proposal
does
not
have
enough
information
for
the
commission
to
make
a
decision.
K
In
addition,
staff
asked
the
applicant
to
check
with
zoning
on
Fence
location
and
setbacks.
So
fast
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
not
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
As
more
information
is
needed
to
determine
the
location
of
the
fencing.
We
asked
that
the
applicant
resubmit,
with
additional
photos
of
the
house
and
location
of
fencing
and
a
site
plan
that
shows
the
locations
of
any
existing
and
proposed
fencing,
citing
Baltimore
County
historic
design,
guidelines,
fences
and
Landscapes
pages,
one
through
five
county
code,
section
3,
3207-405.,.
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G
I'll
make
a
motion
that
we
agree.
That's
in
line
with
the
staff's
recommendations,
to
deny
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
to
resubmit
with
more
information,
so
that
it's
clear
what
they're
actually
proposing.
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J
A
Is
to
deny
the
to
deny
it
and
pending
further
details.
Thank.
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You
Chris
Wendy,
please.
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K
Next,
we
have
young
Jacob's
Choice,
the
Sandler
and
bogot
property
located
at
720
Belfast
Road
and
Sparks
County
Council
District
number
three.
This
is
final
Landmark
list
number
98,
the
enzor
Hal
slash
young
Jacob's,
Choice
Southern
Vista,
and
the
owners
proposed
to
construct
an
addition
and
detached
garage
with
a
connected
Breezeway
and
bay
window
replacement.
K
So
the
property
was
listed
on
the
Baltimore
County
final
landmarks
list,
as
landmark
number
98
on
September
22nd
1991
through
County
Council
bill
number,
one,
two
one-91,
there's
no
historical
environmental
setting
on
the
property,
so
the
lpc's
purview
is
only
on
the
exterior
of
the
house
and
not
the
surrounding
property.
The
structure
is
a
two
and
a
half
Stone
dwelling
constructed
in
the
federal
style
in
1801
a
one
and
a
half
story,
rear
L
Edition
was
constructed
in
the
mid-1800s.
A
frame
shed
roof
Edition
was
added
to
the
stone
rear
L.
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During
the
mid
20th
century,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
construct
an
addition
along
the
east
side
elevation
along
with
a
detached
garage
with
a
connected,
Breezeway
work.
Item
number
one
is
for
the
bay
window
replacement
the
1850
Stone
rear
L
has
a
box
bay
window
that
was
added
to
the
northwest
side.
Sometimes,
in
the
mid
to
late
20th
century,
the
applicant
proposes
to
remove
the
Box
bay
window
and
replace
it
with
a
pair
of
casement
windows
size
to
fit
the
current
opening.
The
window
will
be
the
ultimate
casement
by
Marvin
with
simulated
divided
lights.
K
No
information
in
the
application
provides
a
number
of
Lights
in
the
casement
window
on
the
plans.
It
shows
a
set
of
four
casement
windows
or
two
sets
with
gate
light
in
each
section,
staffs
asked
so
that
the
commission
confirm
the
style
of
the
casement
work
item
number
two
for
the
addition.
The
applicant
proposes
to
construct
a
two-story
Edition
with
a
set
of
telescoping
one-story
additions
off
its
rear.
K
The
two-story
portion
will
be
located
off
the
side
of
the
main
block
of
the
house
and
will
utilize
two
existing
openings
to
access
the
addition
on
the
first
floor
and
create
a
new
opening
on
the
second
floor.
It
will
have
a
front
end
gable,
roof
in
standing,
seam
metal.
The
addition
is
set
slightly
in
front
of
the
main
block
of
the
house.
K
Due
to
these
screens,
the
two-story
Edition
will
be
a
23
by
two
and
a
half
by
16
and
feet
and
seven
inches
and
will
be
separated
from
the
main
block
by
a
five
foot,
two-story
hyphen,
with
double
door
entries
on
the
first
and
second
levels.
The
first
level
will
contain
a
five
panel
transom
over
the
entry,
and
the
second
level
will
contain
a
five
foot
balcony.
The
windows
on
the
addition
are
proposed
to
be
divided
casements.
K
The
two-story
Edition
is
proposed
to
be
she's
in
faux
stone
veneer
that
will
have
a
more
coarse
pattern
than
the
uncourse
stone
on
the
main
house.
The
plans
Stone
a
moderate
date
stone
in
the
corner,
marking
the
addition's
construction
date.
K
The
secondary
portion
of
the
Edition
is
a
one-story
flat
roof
Edition
measuring
seven
feet
by
21
feet
off
the
side
of
the
1850s
rear,
Stone
L.
It
will
be
covered
with
a
smooth,
Hardy,
plank
siding
and
a
rubber
membrane
root.
It
will
have
one
window
and
a
single
leaf
roof.
Additionally,
another
one
story:
low
pitch,
hip
roof
Edition
measuring
12
by
nine
feet,
will
connect
the
two-star
Edition
to
the
one
story.
K
Edition
this
portion
will
have
a
series
of
French
doors
and
side
leg
windows
proposed
material
selections
are
attached,
but
include
natural
facing
stone
veneer
with
full
Corners
hearty
smooth
left,
siding
with
exposure
to
match
existing
Marvin,
ultimate
ultimate
wood,
casement
windows
and
ultimate
wood
French
doors,
both
with
5
8
inch
stimulated
divided
lights,
with
spacer
bars,
Drexel,
sanding,
seam,
metal,
roof,
matching,
pin
with
seam
sight
and
bridge
cap
detailing
work
item.
Three
is
for
the
garage
and
the
touch
breezeway.
K
A
two
and
a
half
car
garage
is
proposed
on
the
rear
and
Northwest
Northeast
of
the
existing
house.
It
will
measure
36
feet
by
24
feet
and
we'll
have
wood,
siding
and
two
Carriage
style
doors.
The
doors
and
windows
on
the
garage
will
match
the
house
on
the
one
story:
Edition.
The
garage
will
be
linked
to
the
house
with
an
open
sided
but
covered
Breezeway.
The
garage
will
be
situated
approximately
40
feet
from
the
house.
K
In
addition,
due
to
the
significant
slope
on
the
existing
parking
pad
low,
retaining
walls
are
proposed
to
reduce
the
slope
and
some
reworking
of
the
parking
plan
to
provide
maneuvering
space
for
the
garage.
The
application
also
is
proposing
to
reconfigure
the
driveway
and
parking
area
and
construct
a
new
flagstone
patio
Courtyard
and
walkways
the
hardscaping
projects
are
not
part
of
the
lpc's
purview,
as
the
landmark
does
not
have
a
historical
environmental
setting,
so
they
will
be
reviewed
in
an
advisory
capacity.
K
M
The
Ann
is
on
the
line
as
well
as
you
probably
like
to
do
a
introductory.
A
N
Right,
we
love
that
this
is.
This
is
brief,
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
say
something
about
this
project.
We
love
this
house
very
much.
However,
we
need
an
addition
in
order
to
create
a
workable
kitchen
and
provide
much
needed,
closet,
laundry
and
bathroom
space.
Our
goal
for
the
addition
is
to
respect
the
history
of
the
house,
while
at
the
same
time
creating
a
living
space
in
line
with
20th
century
standards,
we're
not
even
hoping
for
21st
century.
N
My
husband
has
lived
here
since
1996,
mainly
on
his
own
and
I,
have
lived
here
since
February
of
iron
and
moved,
and
the
house
is
3
500
square
feet,
but
it
lives
quite
small.
For
example,
the
third
floor
is
unusable
for
anything
other
than
storage,
making
the
house
for
all
practical
purposes,
a
two-bedroom
house,
although
the
kitchen
just
made,
do
for
a
man
living
alone,
I'm
an
avid
cook
and
the
existing
configuration
and
outdated
large
appliances,
along
with
our
combined
cookware
bakeware
and
small
appliances,
simply
does
not
suffice.
N
We
desperately
need
a
new
kitchen
and
breakfast
room.
The
current
kitchen
has
four
Windows
three
doorways
and
a
large
fireplace
making
it
almost
impossible
to
add
to
the
existing
but
insufficient
counter
space
and
cabinets
again.
Although
the
small
closets
and
a
hall
bathroom
suffice
for
Bruce
living
here
alone,
the
two
of
us
need
more
space
and
amenities.
N
We've
worked
closely
with
our
architect
Jeff
repenza,
to
develop
a
proposed
Edition
that
both
meets
our
needs,
but
also
respects
the
historic
house
early
in
the
design
process.
Jeff
educated
us
on
the
U.S
department
of
the
Interior
guidelines
for
additions
to
historic
buildings.
We
believe
the
design
successfully
meets
those
criteria.
Importantly,
we
also
believe
that
the
addition
and
the
hyphen
could
be
removed
in
future
and
the
original
house
would
remain
nearly
unchanged.
N
M
Yes,
just
a
few
comments:
I
think
staff
has
done
a
great
job
of
kind
of
outlining
things,
but
first
and
foremost,
I
I
just
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
sighting
of
the
house
and
and
why
the
addition
was
placed
where
it
was.
First
and
foremost,
the
house
is
about
750
feet
from
Belfast
road.
It
sits
pretty
high
up
on
the
hill.
M
It's
there's
about
close
to
100
feet
to
the
elevation
chain
from
Belfast
up
to
the
first
floor
of
the
house,
and
then
there
are
some
very,
very
steep
slopes
on
the
back
side
of
the
house
that
really
limit
where
we
can
put
things.
In
addition,
if
you
can
flip
back
to
the
site
plan
and
I
think
that
best
describes
what
what
we're
dealing
with
here
and
then
on
the
and
and
again
the
the
site
plan
is
rotated
a
little
bit.
That's
so
North
is
not
due
up.
M
It
is
a
little
off-kilter,
but
in
any
case
we
do
have
a
swimming
pool
as
well
on
the
the
east
side
of
the
house.
So
it's
just
really
limited
what
we
could
do.
So
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
the
entrance
to
the
front.
M
We
do
have
some
spectacular
views
from
the
house
and
there
really
is
no
way
to
re-engage
the
front
entrance
other
than
creating
a
little
parking
pad
and
walkway
to
the
front
door
and
again
I
know
that's
not
necessarily
under
the
purview,
but
I
think
it
is
an
important
thing
to
to
mention.
M
So
what
we've
tried
to
do
with
this
is
to
if
we
can
go
back
to
the
elevations,
please
the
intent
of
what
what
we
were
doing
with
the
addition
is
to
number
one
separated
from
the
existing
house
with
a
with
a
hyphen.
We
have
maintained,
so
it's
going
to
be
keep
going
one
more!
There
you
go
well,
that's
the
existing
house
keep
going
two
more
down
three
more
down.
M
There
you
go
okay,
so
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
to
number
one
separate
the
addition
from
the
main
part
of
the
house
with
a
hyphen.
It
is
a
full
two-story
Edition.
We
felt
fairly
strongly
that
we
did
not
necessarily
want
to
change
the
materials
of
the
house.
M
M
So
a
couple
things
that
we've
done
to
try
and
differentiate
the
the
addition
is
to
number
one
pull
in
the
eaves
a
little
bit
the
the
roof.
The
existing
roof
does
have
fairly
deep
roof
overhangs.
M
So
we
have
fold
those
in
probably
about
50
percent
relative
to
the
existing
house
again
just
trying
to
make
a
differentation
and
then,
as
we
wrap
around
the
back
of
the
house
or
the
side
of
the
house,
the
lower
elevation
that
you're
seeing
on
the
screen
again,
the
intent
was
to
create
flat
roof
additions.
You
have
to
stay
on
that
page.
Please
thank
you.
M
M
M
So
the
the
only
things
that
we're
really
doing
to
the
existing
house
has
had
been
mentioned
was
to
number
one
create
a
couple
of
openings
to
access
the
new
additions.
But
there
is
also
on
the
west
side.
If
you
skip
down
to
the
next
drawing
yeah
the
one
on
the
bottom.
There
is
an
existing
I,
I
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
when
it
was
done,
but
sometime
in
the
20th
century
box
bay
window
that
we
just
don't
feel
is
quite
appropriate
for
the
house.
M
M
Just
replicates
that
the
materials
that
we're
planning
on
using
again
casement
windows
trying
to
stay
in
the
same
proportion
we
are
planning
on
using
simulated,
divided
light
Marvin
Windows
in
wood
painted
and
the
existing
muttons
on
the
house
are
5
8,
we're
planning
on
continuing
with
the
5
8
inch
Mountains,
and
the
stone
pattern
on
the
existing
house
is
really
I.
It's
varied,
and
so
what
we're
planning
on
doing
is
to
use
a
Little,
Bit
Stronger
coarsed
stone
at
this
point
in
time.
M
Assuming
that
we
can
get
the
appropriate
colors,
we
would
like
to
use
a
thin
veneer
Stone,
which
is
made
by
a
local
company.
Here
it
is
Natural
Stone
and
if
you
can
skip
to
the
proposed
materials,
I
think
that
may
help
a
little
bit.
But
again
you
can
see
that
the
stone
on
the
existing
houses-
really
it
it's
it.
It
is
not
consistent
at
all.
So
what
we're
proposing
to
do
is
to
use
something
that's
a
little
bit
more
coarse
again.
M
The
intent
is
to
try
and
make
a
little
bit
more
of
a
distinction
between
the
new
and
the
existing
I.
Think
that's
about
I
think
that
pretty
well
sets
everything
that
I
have
to
say
again.
You've
done
a
great
job
with
the
presentation,
but
you
can
see
the
the
stone
is
a
little
bit
more
coarsed
and
again
we're
trying
to
get
the
color
range
and
we
want
to
try
and
maintain
the
same
texture
within
the
the
intition.
A
F
John
I
have
a
quick
question
sure,
just
for
my
own
edification
I
was
trying
to
find
a
house
just
on
Google
Maps.
Is
it
visible
at
all
from
any
public
Road.
M
It's
pretty
far
set
back.
We
did
have
a
couple
of
photographs
in
the
application
that
tried
to
show
the
house
from
the
road,
but
you
really
cannot
see
it
at
a
hall.
That
was
my
impression
that
it
was
just.
M
Of
it
part
of
it
is
it
it
is
so
far
up
the
hill
I
think
the
the
elevation
is
probably
the
the
thing
that
that
kind
of
hides
the
house
from
Belfast
Road
more
so
than
anything
else.
You
can
see
the
roof
line
from
the
road
and
that's
really
about
it.
It.
G
I
think
it's
a
Well,
Done
plan
I
think
it's
sensitive
and
works
well
with
the
house.
G
It
differentiates
it
a
little
bit,
but
it's
you
know
it's
using
the
hyphen
to
separate
the
addition
from
the
existing
historic
house.
I
I
I,
like
it
I,
think
it
looks
good.
D
I
just
had
a
quick
question:
I
think
staff
somewhere
in
the
materials
sent
to
us,
had
questioned
the
balcony
on
the
front
of
the
house,
whether
that
would
is
appropriate
or
not.
M
M
So
we're
we're
envisioning
it
being
fairly
light
and
Lacy
done
in
steel
as
opposed
to
Wood
and
again
it
is
just
trying
to
make
a
a
stronger
distinction
and
and
I
will
also
say.
This
is
still
a
a
little
bit
of
a
work
in
progress.
M
We
have
been.
We
came
up
with
the
design
or
agreed
upon
the
design
with
the
clients
just
a
matter
of
weeks
ago,
so
we
still
are
working
out
a
number
of
the
details.
M
A
So
so
Commissioners
here
hearing
that
from
Jeff,
perhaps
an
appropriate
motion.
If
one
of
you
chose
to
make
it
would
be
that
we
approve
it
pending
that
any
alterations
or
changes
that
come
up
and
as
they
work
through
the
plans
are
submitted
to
staff,
and
then
we
can
Empower
staff
either
with
a
small
work
group
or
at
their
discretion,
to
pull
in
Commissioners
to
review.
I
I
It
so
you
can,
you
can
approve
it
with
what
you
see
here
and
anything
on
the
exterior
changes.
They
would
just
have
to
submit
an
amendment,
and
that
would
come
back.
C
It
sits
proud
the
front
of
it
sits,
proud
of
the
house.
The
Hyphen
I,
don't
feel
like
The
Hyphen
does
enough
to
differentiate
the
addition
from
the
house.
If
you
look
at
the
location
of
the
hyphen
and
plan
the
front
wall
is
flush
with
the
house
on
the
first
floor
and
I
think
there
are
some
material
issues
with
the
use
of
the
veneer
Stone
I.
Don't
think
that
that
does
enough
to
differentiate
the
addition
from
the
historic
home
and
and
frankly,
I.
M
M
A
M
I
I
I
would
like
to
argue
that
point.
If
you
look
at
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards,
I
think
there
are
a
number
of
examples
that
are
actually
pointed
out
within
the
standards
that
that
show
similar
materials
and
not
necessarily
set
back
and
again
part
of
the.
M
The
reason
for
keeping
the
addition
where
it
is,
is
that
we
just
don't
have
a
lot
of
space
to
work
with
them,
and
you
know,
there's
just
not
enough
space
to
make
that
hyphen
any
larger
and
it's
just
a
it,
is
a
very,
very
tight
sight
and
again
site
site
considerations
are
one
of
the
things
that
that
should
be
considered
as
part
of
this
review
process.
G
I'm,
okay,
with
the
way
it's
done,
I
think
it's.
Yes,
it
is
flush
with
it.
The
addition
is
flush
with
the
existing
house,
but
there
is
a
break
if
there
is
The
Hyphen
which
breaks
it
and
and
it's
flat
roofed
it's
glazed.
It's
has
the
the.
H
G
On
it,
I
think
it's
I
think
it
works
well,
but
known
dispute
as
they
said.
A
Hi,
can
you
put
that
in
a
motion
for
said
if
you'd
like
I.
G
Would
like
to
hear
of
other
people's
comments
and
see
how
other
people
are
doing.
Let's
talk
it
out
first
and
see
if
everyone
which
way
people
are
leaning
and
let's
have
a
emotion
that
meets
what
the
what
the
board
thinks.
H
You
know
if
I
may
come
in
here.
It's
on
it.
One
concern
I
have
with
the
hyphen.
Is
that
the
the
balcony
kind
of
bridges,
the
two
I
think
it
would
read
a
stronger
as
a
stronger
hyphen
if
it
did
not
have
the
balcony
so
that
you
know
it
distinguishes
a
little
bit
better
between
the
between
the
the
new
and
the
old,
but
because
I
think
of
the
it
looks
like
what
you
know.
Multiple
types
of
coursing
on
on
the
house.
H
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
with
a
new
being
a
more
rectilinear,
coursing
and
I.
Think
it
distinguishes
it
enough
without
making
that
be
something
entirely
an
entirely
different
material,
so
I'm,
probably
more
in
Ed's
camp,
but
I.
Think
I
would
suggest
that
maybe
a
little
bit
more
refinement
in
terms
of
The
Hyphen
as
a
means
of
of
creating
a
more
distinct
separation.
So
that
that
reads,
you
know
a
little
more
strongly
as
as
an
addition
than
than
part
of
the
original
or
something
that
kind
of
bridges.
The
two.
E
A
E
N
Can
excuse
me
this
is
the
homeowner.
We
were
the
people
who
begged
for
the
balcony
actually
so
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
I
could
just
say
two
sentences
about
that
which
is
right
now
we
do
not
have
a
way
to
sort
of
be
in
the
front
of
our
house
and
enjoy
the
front.
The
porch
is
very
odd,
there's
no
covering
there
at
all,
and
so
our
idea
was
the
best
view.
N
You
cannot
see
our
house
from
the
street,
but
we
can
see
well
well
far
out
and
the
only
way
we
will
actually
get
that
view
is
from
that
balcony
and
that
would
be
right
off
of
our
bedroom,
and
so
we
love
the
idea
of
a
balcony
and
I
would
hope
that
we
could
come
up
with
materials.
N
That
would
that
would
make
the
commission
happy,
but
the
balcony
was
put
there
not
just
for
a
frivolous
reason,
but
because
that's
how
we
would
get
the
best
view
of
you
know
our
whole
property
and
Beyond,
and
we
don't
have
that
right
now.
H
And
it
I
I
wouldn't
object
to
it.
Jeff
if
you
know
if
it
were
kind
of
of
the
language
of
the
of
the
hyphen.
H
It
looks
like
it's
kind
of
bridging
those,
and
maybe,
if
that's
a
wrought,
iron
or
metal,
or
something
that
just
kind
of
reads
in
that
in
that
vertical
python
I
think
it
would
it
would.
You
know,
enable
that
separation
to
read
better.
M
It's
approximately
five
feet
from
the
face
of
the
hyphen
and
The
Hyphen
is
set
back
about
two
a
little
over
two
feet
from
the
front
face
of
the
house.
So
you
know
it
projects
out
probably
only
three
feet.
A
B
M
Quite
Frank,
quite
frankly,
it
needs
to
be
detailed
so
that
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
I
just
need
to
do
regardless,
and
you
know
I
think
having
a
light
and
Lacy
and
steel
structurally
might
work
a
little
bit
better
for
me
regardless-
and
you
know
the
I
don't
know
if
we
could
technically
have
an
overlap
as
it
is
shown
in
the
plan,
so
that
was
probably
a
little
bit
misleading
to
begin
with,
but
I
I
think
it.
J
J
M
M
A
H
A
H
And
John
I
think
that
I
would
I
would
approve
the
the
concept
and
just
ask
you
know
Jeff
to
come
back
with
a
with
a
refined.
You
know
version
of
The
Hyphen,
including
the
balcony
I.
You
know,
I
think
that
the
the
shape
and
position
of
the
Edition,
at
least
in
my
opinion,
is
fine,
but
I
think
just
revisiting
the
The
Hyphen,
including
the
balcony.
Is
you
know
what
I
would
like
to
see
just
in
a
in
a
return
visit
there.
A
Sensitive
to
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
a
meeting
in
August,
so
we
could
Caitlyn
write
just
deny
and
wait
for
the
revised
plans
to
come
back.
But
we
could
also
approve
with
contingencies
to
allow
them
to
keep
moving
forward.
G
I
think
we
could
approve
it
with
with
the
comment
that
the
the
to
re-look
at
the
at
the
the
Python
and
the
balcony
and
maybe
have
a
small
subcommittee
which
could
advise
staff.
If
staff
thinks
it's
necessary,
yeah
I'd,
rather
than
have
to
come
back
to
the
full,
and
if
the
staff
doesn't
feel
comfortable,
then
we,
you
know,
ask
them
to
come
back
and
present
that
at
New
York
at
the
September
meeting,
yeah.
K
We
had
a
subcommute,
a
subcommittee
formed
for
a
project
last
July
and
it.
J
K
G
J
G
A
Good,
so
so
Ed
or
Chris
could
one
of
you
put
that
motion
play
and
then
also?
May
you
all
the
two
of
you
be
the
sub
the
select
subcommittee
and
then
okay,
so
I
don't
know
who
wants
to
take
a
swing
at
the
motion?
Chris
right.
H
Yeah
I
just
move
that
we
approved
the
design
and
asked
the
subcommittee
look
at
your
approve
the
design
and
materials
as
presented,
and
ask
that
a
subcommittee
be
formed
to
look
at
the
refinement
of
The
Hyphen,
including
the
balcony.
A
A
F
H
H
A
M
Thank
you
all
very
much
and
good,
seeing
you
all
again,
I
want
to
do
this
again
in
person.
One
of
these
days.
A
Okay
and
then,
and
then
our
friends
at
sudbrook,
Assisted,
Living
property
or
number
eight
for
some
more
work,
they're
doing
yep.
K
K
So
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
install
temporary
construction
type,
fencing
around
the
perimeter
of
the
carriage
house
and
Greenhouse
and
temporarily
secure
the
carriage
house
until
it's
further
Rehabilitation
and
just
a
reminder
to
the
commission.
Rehabilitation
plans
for
the
carriage
house
and
Greenhouse
were
approved
by
the
LPC
in
July
of
2020..
K
So
first
work
item
for
the
temporary
fencing
is
to
install
six
foot
high
chain
link
construction
type,
fencing
around
the
perimeter
of
the
carriage
house
and
Greenhouse
in
eight
foot
sections.
It
will
have
a
pole
like
base
and
sit
on
top
of
the
ground.
The
fencing
is
for
security
and
safety
and
was
recommended
by
Baltimore
County's
Department
of
Environmental,
Protection
and
sustainability.
The
location
of
the
fencing
on
the
site
plan
is
not
very
clear.
K
The
yellow
dotted
line
appears
to
go
under
the
second
story
of
The
Carriage
House
staff
asked
that
the
commission
clarify
the
location
work
item
number
two
for
the
Carriage
House
temporary
mothballing
is
to
secure
the
northeast
corner
of
the
carriage
house,
where
the
tree
damage
is
located
by
securing
the
structure
and
boarding
up
the
area.
In
addition,
the
applicant
proposed
to
board
up
the
windows
on
the
entire
structure.
This
temporary
mothballing
will
help
secure
the
building
and
protect
it
more
from
the
elements
until
the
future
Rehabilitation
work
can
begin.
K
Staff
has
no
issues
with
the
temporary
mothballing
measures.
However,
the
applicant
failed
to
mention
some
details,
including
if
the
windows
will
be
labeled,
removed
and
stored
prior
to
the
windows
being
secured
with
plywood
how
the
windows
will
be
attached
to
the
structure
to
address
the
damage
corner
will
plywood
be
on
both
sides
of
the
roof,
and
will
there
be
venting
on
the
Second
Story
to
allow
for
airflow?
K
As
a
side
note,
staff
recommends
that
the
vegetation
around
the
carriage
house
and
Greenhouse
be
removed
are
cut
back
from
the
exterior,
although
not
part
of
the
lpc's
purview
vegetation
can
be
very
destructive,
destructive
to
building
exteriors
overall
staff
feels
the
work
is
appropriate,
given
the
temporary
nature
of
it,
as
described
in
the
application.
However,
graph
would
like
the
commission
to
inquire
and
establish
a
timeline
for
the
Carriage
House
in
Greenhouse.
K
So
staff's
recommendation
is
to
go
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
work
item
one
as
proposed
and
for
work
item
two
with
the
condition
that
the
boarding
up
of
the
windows
is
properly
vented
as
per
preservation.
Brief
number
31,
loftballing
historic
buildings,
citing
Baltimore
County,
historic
design,
guidelines,
facade
materials
pages
one
through
twelve
fences
and
Landscapes
pages,
one
through
five
county
code,
section
32
7-405
and
the
National
Park
Service
preservation,
brief
number
31,
moth,
rolling
of
historic
Philippines.
A
A
Okay,
is
there
anything
either
if
you
would
like
to
say
in
advance
of
our
our
the
Commissioners
reviewing
your
requests.
B
I'm
gonna,
let
bill
take
lead,
and
this.
O
Basically,
I
think
the
reason
you
were
questioning
why
we
took
so
long.
We
don't
have
a
occupancy
permit.
Yet
that's
what
the
health
department
actually
came
out
and
decided
of
not
having
it
encased
properly.
So
that's
our
reasoning
for
doing
the
fencing
and
for
boarding
the
windows,
I
I
kind
of
want
to
above
and
beyond
the
windows.
I
don't
have
to
I
mean
it's
up
to
your
recommendation.
O
What
you
guys
require
us
to
do,
but
I
was
just
trying
to
make
everybody
happy
if
we
can
get
our
occupancy
permit
going
and
then
we
we
plan
to
probably
work
on
this
about
a
year
into
it.
Once
once
we
have
occupancy-
and
you
know
start
making
some
money.
G
Have
a
question:
I,
don't
understand
exactly
what
you're
doing
the
there's
a
blue
line
that
says
temporary
fencing
and
then
a
yellow
line
that
says
fencing
that
appears
to
go
under
the
overhang,
so
I
don't
understand
how
that
works.
I!
Also
looking
at
the
photographs,
the
thing
that
concerns
me
is
the
damage
from
the
tree.
They
need
to
put
a
new
roof
over
that
they
need
to
enclose
it
so
that
water
can't
penetrate
into
the
lower
part
of
that.
G
Otherwise,
it's
going
to
there's
it's
going
to
really
start
deteriorating
and
rotting
and
you've
gotta
you've
gotta
tighten
up
the
exterior
with
with
Roofing
temporary
final
Roofing
or
temporary
Roofing.
To
do
the
windows
do
the
venting
and
the
damage
to
the
exterior
wall
and
roof
that
was
caused
by
the
tree
needs
to
be
at
least
temporarily
repaired.
G
So
you
can't
just
this
building
cannot
be
left
like
that
and
expect
it
to
last,
if
you're
not
going
to
immediately
start
construction,
which
it
appears
that
you're
not
so
I
and
and
I
would
like
to
see
some
detail.
I
mean
they
aren't.
It
is
temporary,
but
still
I,
don't
think,
there's
so
little
detail
and
so
a
little
information
on
how
it's
being
done.
G
O
Okay,
so
for
now,
can
we
do
the
fencing
and
I
will
come
back
with
a
plan
for
we'll
probably
do
a
vinyl
roof
of
some
sort?
I
would
assume,
but
I'm
guessing
you're
going
to
want
another
application
put
in
for
that.
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
O
So
I
did
that
because
I
didn't
understand
the
application
process,
I
thought
you
were
going
to
want
two
different
ones
put
in
so
I
tried
to
explain.
You
know
one
was
for
the
carriage
house.
One
was
for
the
greenhouse
to
try
to
make
it
easy.
O
To
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
that
was
all
that
we
had
to
encase
was
the
actual
Greenhouse.
Not
the
overhang.
I
can
encase
the
overhang
as
well.
G
Would
you
show
a
a
yellow
fencing
that
goes
from
the
greenhouse
roof
around
out
towards?
What's
the
name
of
that
road
carries,
Barry
carries
Brook
Road
comes
along
the
parking
lot
and
then
shoots
underneath
the
thing
and
if
I
look
at
the
overhang
I
think
you
need
to
keep
people
out
of
that
under
the
overhang.
This
looks
like
it's
a
building,
that's
not
in
great
shape
and
you're
someone's
going
to
get
in
there
and
get
hurt
I'll.
C
G
D
O
Sure
the
other
issue
we
were
having
was
finding
a
contractor.
That
was,
you
know
decent
and
historic
and
I
know.
Yatunde
can
second
this
as
well
I
think
she
had
a
contractor
that
left.
We
had
in
hopes
to
do
this
and
I
guess.
I
would
look
to
you
guys
if
you
have
recommendations,
because
you
do
a
lot
of
the
historic
properties,
but
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
with
it.
It's
not
something
I
wanted
to
mess
with
being
historic
and
it
it's
a
decent
amount
where
the
tree
did
fall.
O
J
D
H
A
Yeah
yeah,
there
are
two
parts
to
it:
there's
that
but
there's
also
if
we,
if
we
approve
the
fencing
without
some
sort
of
plan
on
the
building
we
lose,
then
the
occupancy
permit
comes
in
and
they
can
start
doing
it.
But
we
no
longer
have
that
kind
of
an
enforcement
incentive
that
if
they
want
the
occupancy
permit
that
they
need
to
to
do
more
than
just
put
a
fence
around
it.
O
Right,
we
have
no
problem.
Doing
I
mean
the
whole
problem.
Is
the
money
I
mean
we
need
to
open
the
you
know,
get
things
going
within
a
year
to
dealt
with
that?
That's
mainly
what
we're
we're
trying
to
do.
So
you
hope
to
be
open
a
lot
sooner
and
that's
why
I
think
before
I
came
on
board.
She
had
a
previous
application
to
fix
it.
O
She
thought
she
was
going
to
do
it
I
think
within
six
months
and
that
the
time
they
can
talk
about
that
side,
but
that
that's
where
we're
at
now
to
try
to
get
open.
You
know
make
money
and
then
look
into
this
because
I
think
she
wants
to
use
it
for
once
we
get
it.
You
know
top-notch
and
back
in
shape.
H
H
G
B
I
could
if
I
can
come
in
good
evening
everyone.
So
we
we
don't
have
a
problem
fixing
the
carriage
house.
We
want
to
fix
the
carriage
house,
we
want
to
fix
the
greenhouse,
but
if,
if
you
look
at
the
building,
it's
not
a
building
that
you
want
to
run,
I
mean
I,
know
people
are
making
suggestions,
we've
been
doing
this
for
the
past
what
four
years!
So
it's
not
that
we've
met
the
place
in
a
in
a
great
condition
that
Carriage
House
it's
the
heart
of
sod
Brook.
B
B
Excuse
me,
sir:
we
have
not
stopped
I
have
not
stopped
there's
no
one
in
Southbrook
area
that
can
tell
you.
I
have
stopped
so
I
have
to
go
through
the
historic
I
have
to
go
to
Baltimore
County
I
have
to
get
funds
to
do
all
this
big
project.
This
project
are
not
smart
project.
So
let's
go
back
to
the
main
reason:
I
don't
have
a
problem.
Fixing
the
carriage
house,
but
I
owe
the
community
to
fix
the
carriage
house
right
and
the
way
it
is
right.
Now
we
cannot
rush.
B
We
need
someone
that
is
really
good.
That
can
take
time
and
do
it
right.
So
that's
what
I'm!
That's
what
I'm
trying
to
do
and
if
everyone
can
give
me
a
chance,
it
will
be
done.
I
just
can't
do
everything
at
one
time,
so
the
fencing
that
we're
going
to
do
it's
a
temporary
fencing
for
about
12
months
so
that
we
can
get
money
to
fix
this
Carriage
House.
The
estimates
that
I
got
lost
on
the
current
tax
is
250
000
dollars.
B
That's
the
estimate,
so
we're
gonna
fix
the
carriage
house,
we're
going
to
fix
the
the
the
the
greenhouse,
but
I
want
to
do
it
right.
If
everyone
has
seen
the
front
I've
taken
time
to
do
it
right,
I,
don't
cut
I,
don't
cut
cost
and
I
don't
do
shortcuts
I.
Do
it
right
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
and
for
people
to
I,
know
that
place
it's
historic
and
everybody's
been
looking
at
it.
Please
give
me
a
chance.
B
I
will
get
it
done,
but
if
I'm
not
given
a
chance
and
every
time
it
looks
like
I'm,
I'm,
I'm
beaten,
all
the
time,
I
will
get
it
done.
I've
done
everything
that
I've
said
I
would
do
so.
The
first
temporary
science
is
just
to
say
it's
coming.
We
will
do
it,
but
I
just
want
to
Temporary
friends
so
that
we
can
protect
that
area
for
now,
and
the
temporary
fence
will
not
be
more
than
12
months.
B
G
Can
I
say
something:
there
are
two
issues
here.
One
is
I
appreciate
you
wanting
to
do
this
right.
My
concern
is
the
building
needs
structural
stabilization.
Without
that
it
is
not
going
to
last
12
months.
You
won't
be
there
in
12
months,
you'll
be
back
here
telling
me
Oh
the
building
fell
down
or
part
of
it
fell
down.
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
too
hard
to
to
fix
up.
You
need
to
stabilize
this
you've
got
to
do
that.
J
G
J
B
That
Carriage
House
has
been
there
for
years
that
fell
over
it,
so
it's
been
three
years
we're
still
standing,
it
has
good
joints
and
it
has
good
bones.
That's
why
we're
saying
that
we
can
rehabilitate
the
place
so
he's
still
standing.
I'm,
not
gonna,
come
to
you
in
six
months
that
he
falls
over
I.
Don't
have
control
over
that.
G
P
A
No,
we
we
don't
approve
your
permit
is
denied
pending
a
plan
for
stabilizing
the
building,
at
the
same
time
as
the
fencing
goes
up
or
perhaps
emotion,
approving
the
fencing
so
that
she
can
get
patients
in
the
main
building
and
create
an
income
stream
and
then
asking
that
she
returned
to
us
with
a
a
more
final
plan
within
90
days.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
enforceable
to
us,
though,
is
it
Caitlyn
that
we
can
insist
on
another
plan
within
90
days.
I
Since
there
isn't
an
open
code
violation
on
this
structure
that
we
can't
say
give
a
specific
timeline
like
that
it
was
my
my
suggestion
on
the
timeline
was
more
of
just
an
idea
of
what
was
going
to
happen
since
we've
already
approved
plans,
and
the
permit
was
approved
just
for
just
knowledge
like
that.
But
so
we
don't
have
a
code
violation.
I
G
We
today
say
that
we're
reporting
this
on
the
public
record
and
we
would
like
to
have
it
inspections
out.
I
A
D
A
B
Yeah
we
had
to
talk
around
it
and
the
what
we.
What
what
I
told
you
tonight
is
what
we
said.
It's
gonna
be
fixed
because
you
know:
if
there's
no,
we
can't
bring
it
down,
it
cannot
be
demolished,
it
has
to
be
fixed,
it's
not
a
new
building,
it's
a
very
old
carriage
house
building,
so
we
are
trying
to
get
the
the
person
that
gave
me
the
estimates
to
get
it
done
backed
out.
B
So
we
are
going
to
look
for
someone
else.
If
we
remember
two
years
ago,
I
got
someone
I
paid
them
to
do
it.
They
took
my
money
and
they
ran
away
I
pay
them
50
000.
dollars.
They
were
working
on
it.
They
didn't
finish.
They
ran
away.
So,
like
I
said
I,
you
know
I,
my
job
is
to
find
someone
to
get
it
done.
I
would
actively
get
it
done
all
we
are
doing
tonight.
B
Last
month
we
were
on
this
on
this
forum,
to
you
know,
get
it
compound,
secure,
I'm,
just
asking
to
get
the
compound
secure,
while
the
compound
is
secure,
if
anyone
in
the
neighborhood
or
on
this
forum,
if
you
know
a
very
good
contractor
that
I
can
take
it
on
I,
take
advice.
B
I
will
I
will
tell
them
to
come
in
and
do
it
so
I,
don't
know
a
lot
of
people
so
I'm,
looking
I'm
asking
so
like
I
said:
I
have
a
contractor
who
just
backed
out
and
said
they
don't
think
it's
safe,
so
we're
looking
for
someone
else.
So
do
it.
If
anybody
have
a
suggestion,
we'll
do
it,
but
to
keep
it
safe
from
anything
and
that's
why
we
want
to
do
this
site
just
cover
this
site
so
that
it
doesn't
continue
to
deter
it.
B
It
would
be
very
difficult
to
do
if
a
partial
roof,
because
I
try
that
no
one
would
do
a
partial
roof.
It's
either
the
whole
roof
or
no
roof.
So
nobody
can
do
that
little
side
for
me,
because
I
will
have
done
that
nobody
wants
to
do
it.
Nobody
will
do
a
partial,
siding.
I
will
have
done
it,
so
it's
either
a
full
siding,
a
full
window,
a
full
roof.
B
No
one
will
do
a
partial
job,
because
then
you
put
small,
wear
and
tear
on
the
building,
so
the
temporary
fence
is
to
keep
the
because
the
neighbors
goes
in
there
a
lot
the
neighbors
sit
under
there.
I
don't
want
that.
So
we
want
to
put
a
fence
to
keep
it
safe
and
to
put
caution
so
that
people
doesn't
go
there.
While
we
come
up
with
plan
to
do
this
effectively.
A
Some
motions,
I
think,
is
pretty
clear
if
you
feel
like
that,
we
need
plans
from
an
architect
to
take
care
of
this
building
before
she
proceeds
with
the
fence.
Then
that's
the
motion
that
needs
to
be
in
place
that
she
needs
to
come
back
with
detailed
plans
or
we
can
approve
the
fence
and
allow
her
to
get
residence
Center
building
in
an
income
stream
and
let
her
protect
the
building
as
best
she
can.
J
G
Would
I
think
we
need
defense
because
it's
going
to
fall
down
and
I
think
you
need
to
protect
people
so
I
think
we
just
need
to
accept
the
fact
that
it's
not
going
to
be
there
in
six
months.
But
that's
that's
just
what
it
is
so
we'll
I
move.
We
approve
the
plan
for
offense
around
the
entire
perimeter
of
the
building
and
I
want,
and
she
should
come
back
with
a
plan
for
stabilization
and
mock
falling.
A
I
think
we
can't
enforce
a
timeline
on
that
right.
A
We
we
can't,
we
can't
force
a
timeline
on
when
she
comes
back
with
a
plan
for
that.
O
E
A
G
Knows
how
to
do
a
report
this
for
have
the
building
inspectors
check
this
building
out
and
I
think
she
needs
a
citation,
would
get
things
moving.
Otherwise,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we'll
see
anything
move.
A
Right,
yeah
exactly
right,
exactly
thank
you
Phoebe!
So
may
we
have
a
roll
call
vote
on
that
Jessica.
K
F
A
You
Miss
Johnson
thank
you
bill
and
we
look
forward
to
hearing
from
you
again
soon.
B
Thank
you
so
much
I
think
when
sometimes
in
December
in
September
I
will
get
in
touch
with
gretling
and
then
we'll
submit
another
application.
B
A
Sir,
thank
you
next
next
up
is
the
Hicks
property
up
on
the
on
the
North
Central
Trail
and
Jessica.
Are
you
going
to
go
through
that
one
yeah.
K
Because
our
last
item
on
the
Indiana
hextel
at
18,
848,
York,
Road
and
Parkton
County
Council
District
number
three-
this
is
final,
landmark
number
79,
the
Parkton
Hotel
and
the
applicant
has
proposed
repairs
to
the
rear
and
side.
Porches
refers
to
the
siding,
and
this
is
a
Code
Enforcement
correction
case.
The
case
came
to
us
in
April
2023.
After
a
correction
notice
was
issued
for
the
property
by
code
enforcement.
K
The
complaint
came
in
by
the
fire
department,
slash
paramedics
that
responded
to
a
call
at
the
property
and
noticed
the
unsafe
condition
of
the
porches.
The
property
is
owned
by
masadi
Hicks,
who
has
been
living
there
since
the
1970s
and
was
the
owner
at
the
time
the
property
was
listed
on
the
final
landmarks
list
for
neighbors
and
others
in
her
community
have
been
assisting
her
with
the
application
process
and
making
sure
that
the
repairs
get
completed
so
that
Miss
picks
can
stay
living
in
the
property
to
correct
the
safety
concerns.
K
The
applicant
has
proposed
the
following
work
items
work
item
number
one:
the
back:
porch,
roof
replacement
and
repairs.
The
existing
rear,
one-story
porch
has
a
deteriorated
corgiate
middle
roof
and
rotted
rotten
structure.
Sure
due
to
the
Leaky
Roof,
the
applicant
proposed
to
replace
the
existing
metal
roof
income
and
replace
any
decking
or
roof
structure
structure
as
needed
due
to
deterioration.
K
A
5x8
beam
is
deteriorated
above
the
center
post
and
will
be
replaced
in
kind
with
a
new
Douglas
fir
5x8
rough
cut,
beam,
post
practice,
post
brackets
will
be
removed
in
order
to
replace
the
beam
and
then
will
be
returned
after
the
pairs
have
been
made.
Stuff
has
no
issues
with
the
repairs,
but
ask
the
commission
to
make
sure
that
the
roofing
is
properly
flush.
K
Work
item
number
two
for
the
side:
porch
roof
replacement,
the
one
story:
side,
porches,
coagulated,
metal
roof
is
rusting.
The
application
proposes
to
replace
the
roof
incline
with
a
and
replace
any
decking
or
roof
structure.
If
needed,
because
of
deteriorations.
Staff
has
no
issues
with
the
repair
but
again
Ask
the
commission
to
make
sure
that
the
roofing
is
properly
for
the
siding
repairs.
Work
item
number
three:
there
is
existing
wood
drop,
siding
or
German
siding
with
two
different
profile
ones.
K
K
Finally,
work:
item:
four
for
the
rear,
soffit
and
facial
repairs.
Existing
cyber
soft
and
facial
are
deteriorated.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
remove
the
existing
deteriorated,
sofa
and
fascia
boards
on
the
right
and
back
side
of
the
porch
and
flat
roof
and
replace
incline
with
Cypress.
All
moldings
will
match
the
existing
and
will
be
painted
white
to
match
the
rest
of
the
house.
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
as
proposed
citing
Baltimore
County
historic
design,
guidelines,
chapters,
porches
and
steps
facade,
arrows
county
code,
section
327-403.
A
Thank
you
Jessica.
This
is
for
those
of
you
who
are
on
the
North
Central
Trail,
it's
right
up
there
by
the
Parkton,
stone
bridge
and
well-known
stopping
point
for
bicyclers
and
hikers
for
a
moment
of
congeniality
right
along
there.
So
I
haven't
gone
through
that
Commissioners.
Any
questions
or
thoughts.
A
A
L
F
K
F
H
A
Yes,
yes,
yes,
yes,
yes,
and
then
we
have
other
business.
We
have
a
info
presentation
on
the
Catonsville,
High
School,
historic
property
Caitlyn.
You
want
to
take
us
through
that
or
yes,.
I
G
Is
an
informational
right.
Q
I
I
So
this
is
going
to
be
a
special
presentation
with
the
Baltimore
County
Public
Schools
project
team,
which
is
through
mostly
Architects
I,
am
going
to
promote
a
couple
of
them
in
there
and
trans
pass
the
share
capabilities
to
them,
so
they
can
present
to
you
so
I
have
Michael
Blake
with
Mosley
Architects
and
Nancy
leibrect,
who
will
be
presenting
I'm
going
to
be
promoting
them,
and
then
we
have
several
members
of
Baltimore
County
public
schools
that
are
online
that'll,
be
able
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
Commissioners
have.
I
All
right,
Nancy
and
Michael
you
both
are
now
panelists.
So
if
you
have
cameras-
and
you
would
like
to
turn
them
on
you're-
welcome
to
do
that,
Nancy
I
am
going
to
pass
my
host
I'm
gonna
stop
sharing
my
screen
and
I'm
gonna
pass
my
my
host
roll
to
you.
That's.
R
Good
well,
while
you're
doing
that
and
Nancy's
getting
things,
organized
I
just
want
to
introduce
the
Baltimore
County
Public
Schools
team.
We
have
mirror
plate
who's,
director
of
facilities,
construction
and
Improvement,
Mike,
Archibald
who's,
the
manager
of
planning
with
facilities,
construction
and
Improvement
Leslie
lazari,
who
is
the
manager
of
design
for
facilities,
construction,
Improvement
and
Desiree,
loud
who's,
senior
project,
architect
and
managing
this
project
with
us.
R
So
again,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
discuss
the
farmlands
tenant
house
with
you
tonight.
As
you
may
know,
the
Baltimore
County
Public
Schools
allocates
researches
resources
towards
educational
uses
and
that's
a
priority
with
them.
Considering
the
size,
configuration
and
location
of
the
farmlands
tenant
house,
the
building
cannot
serve
as
an
educational
purpose
and,
due
to
its
poor
condition,
poses
ongoing
safety
risks.
R
Acknowledging
these
factors,
along
with
financial
constraints
of
restoration,
we've
developed
an
approach
that
aims
to
effectively
acknowledge
and
share
the
history
of
the
building
and
grounds
in
an
interesting
and
meaningful
way.
So
with
that
in
mind,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Nancy
she's,
going
to
present
our
approach
and,
of
course
we
welcome
your
feedback
and
comments
afterwards.
So
thanks.
P
P
Sorry
start
at
the
beginning,
so
we're
here
to
talk
about
the
farmlands
tenant
house,
also
known
as
the
Lee
pool
house
or
the
lap
hole
house.
We
struggled
for
ages
trying
to
figure
out
which
was
correct
and
then
through
some
ancestry
research
to
determine
that
that
the
name
Lee
pull
gradually
evolved
to
become
lapoles.
So
it's
called
lipo
it's
through
the
MHT
documents,
but
by
the
time
they
died.
They
were
referred
to
as
the
lap
holes.
P
So
on
screen
you'll
see
the
the
farm
lines
tenant
house
as
it
was
in
when
it
was
in
a
good
condition.
It's
a
simple
stone
structure.
There
are
two
persons
am
I
loud
enough.
P
P
P
So
it's
at
614,
Hilltop
Road
on
the
grounds
of
the
Catonsville
High
School,
and
you
hear
you
can
see
the
location
it's
hidden
amongst
the
trees,
it's
sort
of
behind
the
the
stands
that
wrap
around
the
football
field.
P
Sort
of
going
through
a
timeline
of
the
of
the
building
it
was
built
in
1784
per
the
family.
In
1866,
Gustav
Lerman
died.
He
and
his
descendants
wrote
into
their
will
and
actually
the
deed
for
the
property
that
as
long
as
a
male
descendant
of
their
Gardener
survived,
they
could
occupy
the
house.
P
In
1948,
the
Lerman
estate
was
acquired
by
Baltimore
County
Schools
to
serve
as
the
site
of
the
Catonsville
High
School
in
1952
The
Lemon
house
and
most
of
the
outbuildings
were
demolished.
That's
with
the
exception
of
a
small
Carriage
House,
and
this
Cottage
in
1983
Lloyd
lepold
died
and
in
1987
the
house
was
placed
on
the
preliminary
Baltimore
County
landmarks
list
in
1991.
P
2004
was
the
last
update
to
the
ba
2427
MHT
document.
2009.
There
was
a
grant
from
the
Catonsville
Heritage
Foundation
to
investigate
the
the
house
and
and
do
some
as
builts
in
2022.
There
was
some
vandalism
and
a
small
fire
and
that
led
to
to
a
structural
investigation
and
a
fence
being
installed
around
the
house
and
then
that
subsequently
LED
again
further
to
an
RFP
being
issued
by
Baltimore
County
public
schools
to
investigate
what
could
be
done
next.
P
Here
you'll
see
the
ba
2427
the
MHT
inventory
of
historic
places.
We
just
wanted
to
point
out
a
couple
of
things.
It's
noted
as
an
education
which
is
applicable
for
the
entire
farmlands
estate,
but
this
this
particular
inventory
is
only
for
the
house
itself,
so
it
really
should
be
listed
as
vacant
and
then
in
the
description.
It
notes
it
as
fair,
but
we
feel
at
this
point
that
it
should
be
noted
as
deteriorated.
P
Here,
you'll
find
some
photos
of
how
the
house
is
since
sort
of
2022
2023
time
frame.
You
can
see
the
two-story
and
one-story
Wings,
there's
a
fair
amount
of
deterioration.
There's
Vines
growing
up
and
over
the
bracing
that
was
done
in
in
2003
is
actually
holding
up
pretty
well.
So
this
this
Stone,
the
rear
stone
wall
has
not
continued
to
fall,
but
there's
definitely
been
further
deterioration
of
the
wood
structure
and
there's
holes
in
the
roof.
P
You
can
see
some
of
the
photos.
I
don't
know
if
you
see
cursors,
but
you
can
see
looking
up
at
the
roof
of
the
one-story
bit.
This
is
kind
of
climbing
up
a
ladder
and
looking
down
we
couldn't
go
inside.
It
simply
wasn't
safe
enough,
but
we
were
able
to
peer
in
and
take
photos
of
the
interior,
and
so
you
can
see
it's
in
a
relatively
rough
condition.
At
this
point,.
P
I've
attached
to
the
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
this
whole
thing
as
obviously
we're.
We
don't
want
to
take
30
minutes.
But
of
course,
they've
noted
that
the
the
floor
framing
is
deteriorated,
the
damage
to
the
low
roof
and
the
amount
of
vegetation
or
causing
the
structure
to
collapse.
P
The
high
roof
framing,
is
soon
to
be
damaged
from
water
and
vegetation.
In
combination
with
the
age
of
the
structure
and
the
duration
of
the
leaks,
it
is
assumed
the
roof,
joists
and
decking
is
unsafe
in
their
current
condition,
and
the
vegetation
covering
the
exterior
walls
is
causing
the
mortar
between
the
stones
to
crumble,
which
is
all
leading
to
the
building
becoming
unstable,
and
then
they
know
that
the
issues
All
Above
are
all
safety
concerns.
You
shouldn't
go
inside
it
and
you
shouldn't
remove
the
fence
that
surrounds
it.
P
P
You
know,
do
a
full
set
of
working
drawings
so
that
there
is
a
history
to
the
house
Salvage
and
store
all
the
historic
materials
that
are
in
a
reasonable
condition
and
restore
Woodland
condition.
With
a
plaque
describing
the
history
of
the
location,
we
thought
that
parts
of
the
foundation
could
be
left
in
place
if
seeing
the
footprint
of
the
building
is,
is
thought
to
sort
of
bring
that
history
out.
P
So
right
now
it's
it's
concealed
back
in
the
woods.
Basically
I
doubt
anybody!
That's
at
the
high
school
notice.
The
project
is
there,
so
we
thought
that
we
could
use
this
as
sort
of
a
learning
opportunity
to
actually
teach
people
about
the
history
of
the
site.
Let
them
know
that
this
was
once
the
farm
lands
in
state.
Let
them
know
that
hey
here
sits
the
foundation
of
the
cottage
of
Lloyd
lepole
The
Gardener,
to
to
the
Lerman
family,
and
we
thought
it
would
be
potentially
an
opportunity
to
bring
that
history
out
so
again.
P
Document
the
building
through
photographs
and
measure
drawings,
dismantle
existing
building
to
foundations,
Salvage
stone
for
possible
reuse,
Elsewhere
on
campus
and
install
a
plaque.
This
is
just
a
first
attempt
at
what
the
plot
could
be,
but
just
something
to
show
that
original
old
estate.
You
could
see
the
sort
of
part
of
it.
That's
now
the
Catonsville
High
School,
the
tiny
little
Lerman
estate
right,
Lerman
house,
Lloyd,
the
Full,
House,
sorry
and
then
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
a
narrative
about
it,
and
then
that
would
point
you
to
a
a
website
or
a
QR
code.
P
That
would
go
into
a
more
detailed
interpretive
display
that
would
be
either
available,
for
it
would
be
both
available
at
the
high
school
in
the
lobby
in
addition
to
being
available
online.
So
we
thought
it
would
be
a
good
opportunity
to
teach
people
about
the
history
of
this
particular
estate.
P
P
P
K
A
E
A
R
Like
to
defer
to
our
or
Baltimore
County
colleagues,
Desiree,
are
you
able
to.
Q
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
the
funding
that
we
receive
is
for
educational
purposes,
and
you
know
money
is
always
tight
when
it
comes
to
funding
the
projects
that
we
we
need
to
fund
and
unfortunately,
we
we're
not
receiving
funds
to
keep
this
mothballed.
The
mothballing
was
supposed
to
be
every
10
years
and
there
was
some
public
Outreach
I
believe
for
fundraising
and
nothing
came
of
fruition,
so
unfortunately,
this
is
why
we
are
in
the
position
that
we're
in
now.
E
E
F
Although
can
I
throw
in
I
mean,
to
my
mind,
this
also
shows
sort
of
why
we
should
be
very
reluctant
to
put
limits
on
county-owned
property.
Frankly,
we've
got
lots
of
educational
requirements
throughout
the
county.
If
money
had
been
spent,
I
don't
know
if
that
would
have
been
a
good
use
of
educational
dollars.
A
Yeah
these
are
these
are
hard
properties,
so
that
thought
Scott,
where
it's
it's
hard
to
repurpose
them
hard
to
come
up
with
a
constructive
reuse
yeah.
So
it's
a
difficult
question,
but
certainly
we
wish
the
county
had
come
to
us
earlier
when
we
might
have
had
other
options
and
other
other
ways
to
deal
with
it.
I
can
easily
agree
with
that.
A
C
Hi
Michael
and
Nancy
haven't
seen
you
guys
in
a
while
for
the
rest
of
the
Commissioners
I
used
to
work
with
them.
They're
great
people
right.
C
My
question
was:
is
it
possible
to
leave
the
stone
walls
as
more
of
a
ruin
or
are
they
just
so
deteriorated?
That's
not
even
an
option,
because
I
think
it
could
be
better
interpreted
with
the
walls
there
and
if
you
took
the
roof
off
you're
alleviating
that
outward
force
of
the
wall,
roof
caving
in
originally.
Q
Q
Yeah
well
because
of
the
because
of
the
local,
the
proximity.
We
were
thinking
that
it's
a
bit
far
from
the
main
building
for
it
to
actually
be
usable
as
an
outdoor
classroom,
and
those
were
things
that
we
did
discuss.
But
the
area
is
pretty
wooded.
It's
pretty
far
from
the
actual
Maine
High
School,
and
so
we
figured
that
it
would
be
kind
of
difficult
to
control.
The
I'd
say,
movements
of
students
being
that
the
the
property
is
so
far
from
the
the
main
High
School
I.
J
R
Are
are
different
than
a
normal
school
day
and
to
be
for
this
to
be
used
for
an
outdoor
classroom.
It's
not
close
enough
to
the
existing
school
and
there
are
accessibility
issues
that
go
along
with
it.
E
D
P
Well,
the
thought
was
that
we
would
put
the
the
plaque
here
for
anybody
that
was
wandering
or
might
be
at
the
at
the
adjacent
Lerman
theater,
that
they
would
see
the
plaque
and
know
that
they
could
go
up
to
the
high
school
Lobby
to
see
the
more
elaborate
display.
P
But
the
elaborate
display
will
be
in
the
in
the
lobby
of
the
high
school.
P
E
Q
Also,
some
sort
of
ordinance
about
removing
trees
on
the
existing
site.
I
can't
recall
exactly
what
that
it
was
written
into
the
the
will
for
the
granting
the
property
to
Baltimore
County
public
schools.
P
D
Let's
just
say
that
the
Landscaping
was
not
preserved
in
the
you
know,
picture
that
he
would
have
had
I
agreed.
R
R
It's,
a
larger
building
I
think
it's
more
open
inside
and
it's
being
used
by.
Q
It's
currently
used
by
maintenance,
I
believe,
okay,.
P
P
It
seems
to
be
right,
adjacent
to
the
to
the
cottage.
Has
anyone
on
this
call
ever
been
to
a
show
there.
Q
J
E
It
seems
like,
if
that's
used
by
the
school,
why
couldn't
the
the
the
you
know.
R
I
think
it
again
speaks
to
the
the
funding
where,
where
the
county
would
be
funneling
funding
from
for
either
through
former
County
Public
Schools
or
Parks
and
Rec,
that's
really
the
issue.
A
So
so
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
some
members
of
the
commission
would
like
to
see
an
Adaptive,
reuse
and
restoration
and
I'm
hearing
from
the
county
side
that
their
accessibility
issues
their
budget
issues
and
apparently
there
seems
to
be
overlapping
possibilities
of
whether
we
wrecking
Parks
or
BCPS.
A
And
so
we're
at
a
point
where
how
much
effort
and
how
long
would
it
take
and
what
could
we
expect
from
the
ReUse
of
the
of
the
building?
If
we
got
to
that
point,
I
suspect
it
would
be
a
substantial
cost
to
do
some
renovation.
A
So
what
the
alternative
we're
hearing
is:
what's
preserved
the
history,
but
in
another
informative
way
and
preserve
it
in
the
school
property
which
was
part
of
the
estate.
D
I'm
not
sure
at
this
point
by
the
looks
of
the
building
that
you
you
know,
could
even
restore
it
at
all,
but
I
think
I.
What
I
would
like
to
point
out
here
is
we
just
had
a
private
citizen
come
and
we're
telling
her
that
she
cannot
allow
this
historic
house
to
fall
down,
that
she
must
pay
to
have
it
stabilized,
and
yet
the
county
is
allowed
to
a
demolition
by
neglect
and
believe
me,
this
is
not
the
only
building
that
pubs
under
the
County's
purview
that
has
fallen
down.
A
Sadly,
we
I
think
we
can
agree
that
the
county
has
not
always
been
the
best
Steward,
but
to
Scott's
Point.
There
are
many
folks
who
would
suggest
that
this
is
a
hard
thing
for
BCPS
to
to
sideline
dollars
for
when,
when
the
county
schools
are
are
struggling
on,
some
big
projects.
E
D
A
So
so
would
there
be
also
plans
to
maintain
the
area
and
clear
it
of
undergrowth
and
make
it
approachable?
We
understand
that
trees
are
an
issue,
but
about
the
rest
of
it.
Would
they
mow
a
path?
Would
they
have
some
sort
of
a
chipped
path
up
there
or
some
other
way
to
make
it
accessible
for
people
to
take
a
look
at.
E
I,
don't
know,
I
mean
I'm
talking
looking
at
the
Google
Maps
blow
up
on
my
my
computer
screen
and
it
looks
like
there
there's
a
you
know:
road
that
goes
pretty
close
to
it.
E
A
No
matter
the
next
steps,
so
the
next
question
would
for
them
to
make
a
formal
proposal,
and
so
that
they're
they
are
coming
to
us
essentially
to
find
out.
If
we're
we're
all
going
to
lie
down
in
front
of
the
bulldozers
on
it
essentially
or
whether
we're
going
to
allow
them
to
to
do
an
Adaptive
interpretation
and
what
we
hope
will
be
a
thoughtful
and
sensitive
way
to
preserve
some
of
the
history.
E
Yeah
there
processions
with
parks
and
recs
about
this.
A
Just
from
personal
observation,
I
I
can't
be
confident
that
parks
and
recs
is
a
better
Steward
of
a
historic
property
than
DCPS.
No.
E
But
then
they
may
have
you
know
some
some
thoughts
on
some
potential.
You
know
adaptive
reuse
of
the
site
foreign.
If
they
have
this
Woodland
theater,
that's
you
know
not
far
from
it.
A
So
to
our
guests,
who
who
brought
this
information
to
us
as
you
can
see
there,
there
are
some
conflicting
thoughts
on
on
how
this
should
be
approached.
But
what
I
am
hearing
is
is
some
sense
of
resignation
that,
with
sadness
that
this
building
has
been
allowed
to
deteriorate
past,
where
it
can
be
saved.
A
A
Does
that
kind
of
capture
Commissioners
or
have
I
have
I
missed
the
boat.
P
J
J
A
R
R
Key
takeaway
that
we
that
we
want
you
to
have
is
that
I
mean
this
is
not
a
bulldozed
demolition.
This
would
be
a
sensitive
dismantling
of
the
structure
and
with
the
notion
of
saving
as
much
of
the
historic
material
is
possible.
R
R
There
could
be
opportunities
to
engage
the
school
Community
or
the
community
at
large
in
other
ways
to
create
those
interpretive
panels,
all
in
hopes
of
bringing
into
a
hiking
up
to
light
more
what
was
there
before
it
became
School,
owned
property.
So.
R
You
to
know
that
that
is
that
is
the
you
know.
What
is
behind.
You
know
from
the
from
the
owner's
standpoint,
what
what
they
would
like
to
do
eventually
may.
A
Also
had
the
thought
that
the
Catonsville
library
has
typically
had
a
very
good
historic
room
or
historic
displays
in
the
library
representing
the
history
of
the
area,
and
that
might
be
another
place
where
you
could
create
some
of
the
history
of
this
and
and
have
it
displayed
right.
E
R
The
those
I
believe
are
some
outbuildings
as
part
of
the
theater,
complex,
I,
think
there's
some
outdoor
toilet.
A
A
K
A
I
think
that's
a
wonderful
thought,
I
I!
It
would
be
great
if
if
they
could
invite
an
archaeological
group
to
come
and
and
study
it
as
they
take
it
down,
I
agree
see.
What's
there,
I
might
find
something
really
cool.
K
Mean
I'm
in
no
way
am
I
trying
to
influence
this
decision.
But
if
archaeological
investigation
was
part
of
the
mitigation
process
of
the
buildings
demolition
down
to
just
the
footprint
of
the
foundation,
then
that
that
may
satisfy
concerns
about
the
preservation
of
the
history.
R
A
Yeah
and-
and
there
are
groups
that
you
can
reach
out
to
that-
will
do
that-
that
there
are
State
resources
there,
university
and
college
resources.
A
Thank
you
for
your
presentation,
we'll
look
forward
to
hearing
from
you
again
when
do
you
think
that
will
be?
Is
that
months
away
days
away
hours
away.
R
I
I
Desiree
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
you
all,
but
I'm
guessing
as
soon
as
we
can
get
back
in
front
of
you.
We
will.