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A
Welcome
and
thank
you
for
attending
the
June
1st
2023
meeting
of
the
Baltimore
County
planning
board.
It
is
now
called
to
order
I'm,
Nancy,
Hafford,
the
chair
and
I
will
now
start
this
meeting
by
introducing
an
accounting
for
my
fellow
board
members
that
are
with
us
here
today.
When
you
hear
your
name,
whether
it's
correctly
spelled
or
incorrectly
spelled,
say:
aye
Mr,
Avery,
Miss,
Brophy,
Miss,
German,
Mr,
Hafer,
Mr,
Heckman.
All.
B
C
B
D
A
A
A
F
Members,
so
we
are
here,
so
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
introduce
the
team
because
of
ccmp
coming
up.
We
are
divided
by
this
trick
and
we
have
all
seven
district
planning
area
planners
here
today
to
introduce
ourselves
I'm,
just
gonna.
Let
them
go
ahead
and
introduce
each
of
them
and
we
can
start
with
district
one
Sophie
kotsuka.
F
Well,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
and
can
we
exchange
also,
though,
for
the
district
who
the
planning
boards
are.
E
A
And
thank
you
to
the
one
day
of
fall
planning
staff
here
that
over
there
for
all
the
work
that
you've
done
on
the
master
plan
and
everything
else.
But
I
want
to
thank
my
board
members
for
your
service
to
this
commission.
You've
you've
been
tremendous
and
the
work
I've
seen
in
the
comments
you've
put
in
for
the
master
plan.
A
I
really
appreciate
all
the
time
that
you've
spent
on
it
and
thank
you.
Garnier.
A
A
At
a
virtual
meeting
hearing
it
was
conduct
and
a
virtual
meeting
hearing
was
conducted
on
May
18
2023..
Tonight
we
have
an
opportunity
to
discuss
the
plan
and
a
vote
is
scheduled
for
our
next
meeting
on
June
15th
I
would
now
like
to
turn
the
department
of
planning
to
the
for
additional
comments
and
information
to
the
board
on
this
issue.
Mr
Lafferty
the
floor
is
now
yours.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
good
afternoon.
Everybody.
Let
me
Echo
the
chairs
comments
and
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
the
diligence
that
you've
put
into
the
work
as
a
volunteer,
one
of
the
most
important
groups,
I
think
in
the
county,
and
also
thank
those
of
you
who
were
able
to
submit
some
comments
and
questions
so
that
we
could
better
prepare
for
today.
D
As
the
chair
said,
a
work
session
to
review
and
discuss
the
draft
master
plan
that
you
received
on
May
18th,
there
will
be
no
votes
tonight,
but
what
we
do
ask
you
to
do
is,
if
it's
possible
to
submit
any
written
motions
that
you
intend
to
submit
for
the
may.
Excuse
me
June
15th
meeting,
if
you're
able
to
submit
any
of
those
in
advance
that
helps
us
better,
prepare
and
I
hope
to
be
as
efficient
as
possible
as
we
work
through
this.
D
This
story,
map
and
document,
as
you
know,
we're
here
not
just
to
talk
about
a
couple
of
issues,
but
as
we've
tried
to
indicate
all
the
the
entire
plan
really
is
for
discussion,
the
sequestered
items
that
are
on
the
chart-
that
was
one
in
front
of
you,
but
also
sent
to
you-
are
items
that
we
received
in
advance
that
certainly
we're
going
to
walk
through
as
well
as
you
have
heard
previously
in
the
presentation.
This
draft
document
is
a
result
of
hundreds
of
inputs,
not
only
during
virtual
meetings.
D
D
Very
weird,
the
the
plant
structure,
as
has
been
explained
before
really
came
from
professional
guidance
from
the
American
Planning
Association,
and
it's
the
same
places
documented
using
other
professional
planning
Concepts,
including
the
idea
of
retrofitting.
D
You
document,
as
we
plan
to
have,
which
can
be
implemented
for
decades
last
thing
I'll
remind
you
of,
is
that
this
is
not
a
zoning
document.
Comprehensive
zoning
comes
after
the
master
plan,
and
so
that's
the
time
when
individual
parcels
and
properties
will
be
examined
as
to
whether
or
not
the
zoning
is
correct
to
help
implement
the
master
plan,
as
well
as
to
implement
other
goals
that
the
executive
and
you
may
set.
So
the
draft
plan
is
really
in
your
hands.
D
It
is
now
for
the
planning
board
and
for
all
of
you,
as
residents
of
the
county,
and
to
lend
your
expertise
and
insights
as
to
how
this
can
best
guide
where
we're
going
over
the
next
decade
and
I
again
want
to
thank
you
for
the
input
you
provided
and
I
also
want
to
give
kudos
to
the
two
people
who
use
the
chart
to
respond
to
the
sequester
request,
which
helps
make
it
easy.
D
Thank
you,
Miss
Brophy,
Mr
Heckman,
appreciate
that
now,
in
all
seriousness,
all
of
you
really
I
know
are
very
attentive
to
the
significance
of
this.
This
time
we
look
forward
to
the
conversation
today
and
providing
answers
or
Clarity
if
we
can
and
then
looking
forward
to
the
vote
in
two
weeks.
So
thank
you,
madam
chair.
G
All
right,
I'm
going
to
do
a
little
test.
Real
quick
is
having
this
on
what
was
causing
the
that
turned
it
off.
When
you
were
talking,
okay,.
G
We're
having
some
technical
issues
a
second,
so
if
it
starts
doing
that
again,.
G
So
I
am
chair
members
of
the
planning
board,
I
guess
our
thought
for
the
structure
of
this
meeting
was
to
start
with.
You
know,
sort
of
things
that
you
had
seen
ahead
of
time,
so
we
had
some
place
to
start.
G
As
far
as
the
comments
we'll
go
through
the
comments
which
again
you
have
in
front
of
you
just
to
kind
of
put
forth
I,
know
some
of
the
comments
or
give
it
to
us
about
funny
board
members
who
are
here
but
just
to
kind
of
start,
a
discussion
and
then
any
questions
or
you
know
comments
you
have
along
the
way.
It
was
just
sort
of
a
format
to
give
us
some
guidance
for
discussion
this
afternoon.
G
So
if
there's
no
other
issues
with
that,
I'll
go
ahead
and
get
started
going
through
the
chart.
Okay,
so
the
first
section
we
were
going
to
go
through
as
far
as
comments
go
is
the
overview,
and
the
first
comment
we
have
listed
was
from
planning
board
member
Katie
Panero.
There
was
a
quest,
a
request
or
a
comment
from
her
to
add
some
language
to
the
overview.
G
Clarifying
the
purpose
of
the
core
retrofit
areas
and
confirming
development
else
will
elsewhere
will
still
be
permitted,
so
she
proposed
adding
a
paragraph
starting
with
several
mandates.
To
add
section
32
for
102a
of
the
Baltimore
County
code
indicates
the
development
shall
conform
to
master
plan
and
any
adopted
commute
plans
to
avoid
confusing
confusion
about
the
role
and
implementation
of
Master.
Plan
purpose
of
master
plan
is
to
encourage
an
evening
incentivized
growth
and
development
within
those
areas,
the
most
suitable
for
record
fitting
the
core
retro
for
areas.
G
However,
it
should
be
made
clear
that
growth
and
development
may
occur
anywhere
within
the
Ertl
and
in
certain
areas
outside
the
erdog
words
only
will
commit
it.
Incentivizing
growth
in
certain
areas
does
not
mean
growth
outside
those
areas
is
inconsistent,
June,
23rd
and
her
basis,
for
that
was
any
reference
to
limitations
on
the
development.
But
then
their
girl
should
be
removed.
G
Redevelopment
in
the
selected
areas
should
be
encouraged
through
polarization
and
incentives
and
clear
language
should
be
added
and
repeated
throughout
the
plan
that
growth
and
development
may
occur
anywhere
within
the
Earl
and
in
certain
areas
outside
the
ertle
wears
only
would
permit
it.
In
relation
to
that
comment
from
her
this,
there
are
a
few
recommendations
in
here
from
staff.
We
had
a
similar
recommendation.
G
It
is
the
first
one
in
the
growth
framework
methodology
gf4.
We
suggested
adding
something
similar
that
development
activity
in
the
core
areas,
like
all
development,
will
require
the
represent
infrastructure
to
support
this
move
page
two
and
three.
G
While
these
areas
must
be
the
primary
focus
for
development
investment
evidence
this
decade,
development
activity
is
permitted
outside
these
areas
and
will
likely
continue
based
on
the
market,
more
opportunities.
So
I
just
wanted
to
draw
the
connection
between
those
two
that
we
had
recommended
a
similar
edit
as
well.
G
I
read
the
proposed
edit
is,
in
the
fourth
column,
what
we
would
recommend
changing,
we're,
not
editing
the
we're,
not
editing
the
document
until
there
would
be
a
vote.
Yeah
yeah,
yeah,
yep,.
E
E
I
thought.
The
format
was.
A
G
G
Not
sure
they
meet
when
they
said
hidden
hidden
material,
do
they
mean
things
that
you
have
to
like
to
get
to
you?
So
it's
not
I,
don't
know
anything,
that's
hidden.
We
tried
very
try
to
be
very,
you
know,
comprehensive
and
linking
things
as
many
times
as
it
showed
up.
You
had
the
same
document,
so
you
'd
have
to
be
searching
around
for
something
I
guess
I
have
a
concern
for
many
people.
G
Other
people,
don't
any
of
us
the
last
time
10
years
ago,
maybe
the
last
time
sat
here
with
big
binders
and
all
the
paper
in
front
of
us
and
I
understand
my
savings
of
trees
here
in
the
county,
but
not
happen,
but
I
think
that
a
lot
of
people
have
difficulties
following
all
of
these
things.
In
my
business,
everything
we
do
is
like
women.
G
There
are
many
people
that
just
don't
have
those
impact
skills.
Do
it
and
I
think
that's
the
concern
I'm
sure.
What's
hidden,
if
you
want
okay,
it's
not
if
it's
there
none.
You
know
we
had
people
who
calls.
How
do
you
like?
How
do
you
think
the
ones
and
places
I
think
that's
just
concerned
a
lot
of
people
in.
D
E
D
C
D
B
Have
a
small
voice
when
you're
referring
to
something
in
this?
Can
you
tell
us
what
page
we're
on
so
we
can
zero
in
on
that.
My
one
of
my
former
I
had
to
make
sure
everybody
in
the
back
of
room
to
hear
what
I'm
saying
this
means
you
have
to
elevate
your
voice
a
little
bit
a
common
complaint
I
have
for
the
speakers
here
now.
The
young
fellas
can
hear
that
very
well,
but
but
you
have
to
speak
in
a
public
voice
a
little
louder.
E
G
Yeah
sure,
all
right,
so
the
next
I'm
still
on
page
one,
is
from
planning
board
member
Emily
Brophy.
The
story
map
website
is
quite
cumbersome
to
magnificate
and
I've
had
a
lot
of
issues
in
accessing.
It.
I
believe
this
is
brought
up
by
the
public
during
a
public
hearing
session
as
well.
F
C
Can
navigate
a
website,
but
even
I
had
technical
issues
when
things
were
loading,
especially
if
we
did
more
maps
as
you
scroll
down
on
different
color,
started
appearing
and
started
disappearing
and
I
think
it's
important
to
realize
that
while
we
did
get
public
input
by
Eno
online
and
virtually
there's
still
a
lot
of
people
that
and
obviously
the
county
is
actually
an
important-
and
you
know
I
applaud
that,
but
I
don't
think
you're
going
to
reach
hard
to
huge
demographic
by
moving
to
a
story.
Maps
platform
like
this.
G
All
right,
so
you
have
page
two:
we
are
moving
to
the
vision
framework.
G
Goal
one
action
one
create
a
Redevelopment
framework
that
reinforces
the
existing
Urban
rural
democation
line
and
focuses
on
Redevelopment
strategies
through
Community
planning
policies
on
the
staff
wanted
to
put
on
the
table
an
option
to
add
and
housing
after
Redevelopment.
In
this
action
based
on
public
comment
at
the
hearing.
D
D
D
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
statement
either
in
the
code
or
in
your
policy
to
that
effect.
This
does
reflect
I
know
the
county
executive's
position
that
the
hurdle
should
remain
in
place
and,
as
we
know
from
public
testimony,
the
majority
of
the
testimony
we
heard
about
the
Ergo
was
to
retain
it.
The
way
it
was,
and
although
I
know
that
talking
with
Mr
Warren
other
times
I
know,
there's
some
sentiment
for
moving
it.
D
There
really
is
a
commitment
to
retaining
it
now
because
of
the
commitment,
also
the
preservation
of
the
lands
outside
the
room.
I
guess
they
just
feel
that
has
some
of
these
other
things.
If
we
have
them
in
the
process
in
place
for
ever,
animalized
I
don't
understand,
most
people
don't
want
who
can
ever
change
so
not
moving
the
hurdles.
I'm
sure
it's
public
section
not
developing
stuff
later
I
have
concerned
about
these
small
aerial
plants.
D
Open
yes,
but
is
that
I
don't
know?
If
that's
necessarily
the
best.
D
D
But
I
think
what
you're
saying
is
reflecting
what
Mr
Luke
has
said
that,
as
we
propose
other
changes
such
as
comprehensive
Sony
map
process,
that
if
the
board
feels
that
the
Earl
should
be
reviewed
on
a
periodic
basis,
whatever
that
would
be.
That
could
be
a
recommendation
as
part
of
the
land
use
processes
that
are
described
here.
If
you
want
to
add
one
remove,
one
I
mean
that's
again:
the
purview
of
the
board
before
the
document
goes
to
the
County
Council,
so
that
could
be
a
motion
that
could
be
Amendment
introduced
at
the
next
meeting.
D
E
E
I
would
point
out:
in
2008
and
2012,
the
hurdle
was
moved
by
160
acres
and
councilmatic
District
One
and
replace
resource
conservation
two
and
six.
So
there
are
mechanisms,
it's
called
the
czmp
and
there's.
So
there
are
mechanisms
to
move
the
article.
G
G
He
says
she's
just
saying
here
that
there
should
be
a
change
to
this
action,
because
redevelopmental
property
can
be
as
costly
feeling
new
as
such.
The
county
should
have
procedures,
grants,
lines
and
other
resources
in
place
to
entice
property
owners
to
redevelop
or
improve,
and
for
extending
the
season
through
process
would
impede
Redevelopment
install.
D
You
know,
maybe
in
the
past
a
little
bit
or
a
ball
after
we
have
the
new
balls
that
we're
rebuilding,
but
it
takes
a
very
long
time
to
be
able
to
move
projects
forward
and
you're
already
the
approval
processes
additional
Security
payments.
But
you
have
to
wait
to
change
zoning
and
then
go
through
the
planning
process.
You
could
be
waiting
a
lifetime.
D
D
One,
as
all
of
you
know,
we've
been
producing,
it
takes
an
enormous
amount
of
time,
and
what
we
have
found
is
right,
going
into
an
apartment
is
that
it
really
does
delay
the
ability
to
work
with
communities
to
address
the
issues
that
are
ever
present.
D
F
D
D
D
B
D
D
Or
other
cats
that
are
actually
smaller
than
the
area
inside
there
I
don't
want
to
be
part
of
driving
myself
accelerated.
D
Well,
all
due
respect,
Mr,
Warren,
I
guess
I
would
say
that
the
four-year
cycle
has
not
diminished.
Segregation
has
not
made
housing
more.
Affordable
has
really
not
gotten
us
to
the
point
that
you
believe
and
I
think
all
of
us
believe
we
should
be
as
far
as
having
more
attainable
housing
or
your
cycle
is
not
Advanced
that
so
I'm,
not
sure
that
lengthening
the
cycle
makes
it
any
worse
in
that
regard.
So
I
guess
that's
where
I
would
challenge
you
at
least
yeah.
D
D
D
D
But
to
put
in
there
is
something
definitely,
even
though
we're
not
saying
it's
definitely.
D
There
were
seven
projects:
affordable,
housing
that
I
thought
should
be
approved,
councilman
turned
them
down,
they
didn't
want
them
in
their
district
and
we've
got
a
consent.
Debris
with
the
government
of
federal
government
and
I'm
happier
every
four
years
to
have
another
shot
to
bring
up
those
projects
and
bring
them
online.
That
much
soon
10
years
is
way
too
long.
I
mean
I'm
thinking,
St,
Marks
and
Pikeville
did
I
personally
was
the
straw
for
my
religion
on
some
Jewish
condominium
owners
down
the
street,
a
mile
that
they
said
they
didn't
want
this
in
that
project.
D
You
look
at
four
Weinberg
houses
in
Pikesville.
All
around
them.
I
was
furious
and
I
told
the
council
than
in
that
district
and
other
Council
planners
as
well
that
they
would
not
see
my
support
in
the
next
election
unless
they
got
behind
making
it
10
years.
These
15
years
by
the
time
you
get
to
the
bank
process
unacceptable
for
our
County,
which
is
now
a
minority.
Yet.
D
To
point
out
that
an
out
of
cycle
Family
process,
it's
just
not
fair
to
communities,
I
mean
there
has
to
be
some
predictability
there
you
know
or
we're
just
the
community
could
just
be
playing
whack-a-mole
year
after
year,
a
month
after
month,
s.
G
G
Harford
County
is
the
only
one
that
I
can
really
speak
to
maybe
patiently
involved,
not
as
much
of
a
planning
board
but
they're
at
one
of
eight
years
cycle
right
now
too
much
to
decide
to
do
what
they
want.
There
are
I've
been
all
kinds
of
topics:
nothing
that
happens
sit
there
waiting
for
that
cycle
to
come.
G
G
G
We've
generally
looked
at
that
before
and
to
our
knowledge
within
the
country,
everyone
has
a
10
or
eight
year
process.
G
All
right
so
we're
still
on
page
two.
This
is
actually
just
a
little
bit
of
a
repeat,
but
I'll
read
it
anyway,
because
the
last
one
kind
of
jumped
to
this
for
level
environment
goal
one
action,
eight
regarding
extending
the
frequency
of
the
comprehensive
zoning
map
process
in
four
years
to
ten
years,
Council
woman,
Murphy
just
added
this
comment
with
the
Redevelopment
of
a
property
can
be
as
possible
as
building
new.
G
As
such,
a
county
should
have
procedures,
grants,
loans,
other
resources
in
place
to
entice
Property
Owners
to
redevelop
or
improve
properties,
extend
the
ccmp
process
with
impede
Redevelopment
and
humulous
goal.
So
I
know
we've
already
discussed
this,
but
if
you
have
anything
else,
you
want
to
add
at
this
point
all
right.
All
right.
G
All
right,
the
last
one
that
was
submitted
ahead
of
time
regarding
the
liberal
built
environment,
was
a
staff
recommendation
to
add
a
new
goal
so
goal
two
action
or
add
action.
Add
a
new
action
to
goal
two
create
and
Implement
a
range
of
incentives
to
support
and
increase
table
housing
inside
the
hurdle,
and
this
was
based
on
public
comment.
Epic
hearing.
B
G
G
Moving
on
to
the
growth
framework,
the
next
one
was
something
that
was
suggested
by
staff
based
on
public
comment
of
hearing
or
the
methodology
growth
framework
part
four
development
activity
in
the
core
retrofit
areas,
like
all
development,
will
require
the
represent
infrastructure
to
support
this
new
approach.
While
these
cool
retrofit
areas
must
be
the
primary
focus
for
development
and
investment
over
the
next
decade,
development
activity
is
permitted
outside
these
areas
and
will
likely
continue
based
on
the
market
and
other
opportunities.
D
D
G
G
So
it
was
a
pretty
lengthy
one
that
I'll
read
existing
at
this
time.
It
says:
masterclan,
2030,
Place
types
map
provides
General
recommendations
for
land
use
based
upon
Vision
framework
goals
and
actions,
as
well
as
the
retrofit
analysis
described
above
Miss
Panera
recommends
the
following.
The
added
in
particular,
the
map
identifies
areas
the
most
suitable
for
retrofitting
and
growth
and
development
within
these
areas
should
be
encouraged
and
even
incentivized.
G
However,
development
may
occur
anywhere
within
the
Earl
and
in
certain
areas
outside
the
herbal,
where
zoning
would
permit
it.
Incentivizing
growth
in
certain
areas
does
not
mean
growth
outside
those
areas
is
inconsistent
with
the
master
plan
2030.
The
map
is
conceptual
and
intended
to
reflect
future
land
use
patterns
that
would
support
the
landing
subjectives
of
Master
Plan
2030..
The
map
does
not
identify
land
use
of
individual
Properties
or
Parcels.
G
The
place
types
map
will
provide
general
direction
for
County
land
use
decisions
and
may
be
amended
as
needed
through
the
commute
plans
or
small
area
plans
and
her
basis
for
making
that
request
was
the
draft
plan
seeks
to
reduce
the
land
available
for
growth
and
development
within
the
erdle
and
instead
calls
for
retrofitting
or
Redevelopment
only
in
certain
selected
areas.
Any
reference
to
limitations
on
new
development
within
the
hurdle
should
be
removed.
G
B
F
G
All
right
so
for
Place
types
and
Growth
work
framework
part
five
revise
the
definitions
in
the
section
established
neighborhood
and
connected
neighborhood
to
reflect
existing
conditions.
So
there
are
some
additions
here
under
established
neighborhood.
The
addition
would
be
areas
within
the
hurdle
not
within
connected
neighborhoods
and
nose
consist
of
a
mix
of
established
commercial,
industrial
and
residential
areas.
G
Although
much
of
this
area
is
already
developed,
there
is
still
opportunity
for
new
and
infield
development
and
Redevelopment
open
the
page
four
she's
request
that
we
strike
the
section
on
Suburban
neighborhoods
generally,
consisting
of
moderate
density,
predominantly
detached
single-family
homes
built
post,
World,
War
II.
That
will
remain
as
such
for
the
foreseeable
future
and
adding
the
neighborhoods
are
served
with
Public,
Water
and
Sewer
Service
to
the
primary
land
use
for
this
piece.
She
suggested
adding
commercial
and
Industrial
the
secondary
land
use.
G
She
suggested
striking
limited
office
and
Commercial,
then
for
Place
type
or
connected
neighborhoods
areas
connecting
established,
neighborhoods
and
nodes.
She
suggested
that
we
add
that
it
can
that
consists
of
a
mix
of
commercial,
industrial
and
residential
areas
where
higher
density,
new
or
infilled
development,
or
including
a
variety
of
housing
types
such
as
detached
single
family,
Town,
Homes
and
Apartments.
G
D
D
How
do
you
all
feel
about
that
just
sometimes
feel
like
the
zoning
stops
us
from
redoing
things
and
and
I
don't
want
to
get
too
far
over
my
skis,
but
we're
at
a
juncture
where
and
part
of
it's
sort
of
post-pandemic,
but
a
lot
of
it
is
always
starting
to
show
decline.
I've
asked,
for
instance,
that
we
look
at
the
identified
nodes
and
whether
or
not
the
zoning
in
place
in
those
nodes
could
support
mixed
use.
D
If
you
have
a
BL
or
BR
or
BM
Zone,
you
cannot
build
residential,
but
you
can
add
an
overlay
with
CT
or
CCC.
That
would
allow
you
to
build
Apartments,
so
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
hard
look
before
cznp
and
whether
or
not
there
are
opportunities
where
you
could
add
the
overlay
and
therefore
open
the
opportunity
for
residential
in
conjunction
with
the
business
uses
that
are
permitted
in
those
particular
zones.
D
That's
part
of
what's
driving
our
thinking
on
these
core
retrofit
areas
is,
can
we
create,
like
the
mobility
node?
Well,
that's
really
sounds
like
a
TOD
and
sort
of
that
concept
is
how
do
you
mix
the
uses,
the
better
serve
or
create
a
community,
and
you
know
your
example
with
the
Kimco
applications.
D
You
know,
yeah
I
think
that
kind
of
mixed
use
opportunity
is
what
we
we
have
to
pursue
because
many
of
these
shopping,
centers,
I,
think
about
Logan
Village
shopping
center
in
Dundalk,
or
some
of
the
less
than
even
somebody
more
than
half
empty
shopping
centers
on
Liberty
Road.
You
know
if
the
commercial
Market
is
not
going
to
return,
we
need
to
find
some
other
valuable
use
for
the
community.
D
Having
a
mix
of
uses,
I
think
is
something
you
need
to
be
able
to
really
drill
down
into
so
we're
having
those
conversations
all
the
time,
frankly,
right
now
and
and
part
of
that
came
out
of
the
affordable
housing
work
group
and
the
recommendations
they
have
about.
Looking
at
opening
up
other
zones
for
housing
opportunities.
D
Well,
I
I
can't
I
can't
speak
to
how
Ms
Pinero
got
to
these
recommendations
and
why
she
thinks
certain
things
should
be
included
and
I
think
that
again
goes
to
a
comprehensive
zoning
issue.
We
have
not
heard
our
Economic
Development
people
comment
that
there's
an
absence
of
industrial.
G
Okay,
all
right
I'm
on
page
four
at
the
very
bottom,
is
another
recommendation
from
playing
with
member
Katie
Panero
Place
types.
Oh
sorry,
PlayStation,
device
framework,
five,
revise
the
images
for
the
place
types
and
the
PDF
overview
of
the
place
types
to
be
consistent
with
the
above
revised
definitions
or
delete
them.
So,
of
course,
if
we
made
any
changes
to
the
place
types,
we
would
have
been
up
to
date
for
graphics.
They
go
along
with
them.
G
Hey
I'm,
on
page
five
growth
framework,
part
five
Place
types
revise
the
image
and
growth
framework,
five
that
indicates
the
LaFarge
Quarry
to
include
the
entire
415
acres,
and
this
came
from
planning
board
member
Katie
Panera.
G
Okay,
still
on
page
five
Place
types,
growth
framework-
five,
this
was
a
staff
recommendation
based
on
public
comment
at
the
hearing
to
include
this
language
into
the
place
types
regarding
UMBC
into
the
special
use
and
the
Southeastern
part
of
the
county.
University
of
Maryland
Baltimore
County
has
a
substantial
presence.
This
highly
rated
public
university
is
recognized
for
it.
Research,
Innovation
and
commitment
to
diversity
and
equity
located
on
530
Acres
west
of
the
Beltway,
and
next
to
both
Catonsville
and
Arbutus.
G
Umbc
has
expanded
its
community
outreach
and
has
established
a
facility
facility
with
the
popular
popular
okamoka
Cafe
in
Arbutus.
Umbc
is
also
home
to
BW
Tech
at
UMBC
research
and
Technology
Park.
The
university
also
recently
took
ownership
of
the
200
acre
of
Spring
Road
property
situated
north
of
the
current
campus.
No
specific
plans
have
been
presented
for
this
site.
It
also
contains
State,
operated,
Psychiatric,
Services
and
county-owned
homeless
person,
shelter
and
recreational
facilities.
D
There's
a
public
comment:
Steve
Whalen
made
the
comment
about
it,
which.
D
It's
really
had
as
much
of
an
industrial
element,
as
we
obviously
needed
to
maybe
reflect
more
of
the
technology
and
research
and
then,
quite
frankly,
I
would
think
that
he
would
try
to
utilize
that
promote
his
own
project
as
well
as
other
projects
in
the
area
and
I
know
that
UMBC
is
engaged
now
in
a
new
master
planning
process
with
the
new
president
of
the
University
I.
D
Don't
we
I
I'm
not
aware
of
what
they
may
be
looking
to
do
on
the
screen
door,
property
yeah
as
an
institution
they
they
have
a
unique
opportunity
to
grow,
drive
a
lot
of
change
in
that
whole
area.
The
fact
that
they've
gotten
much
more
engaged
in
Arbutus,
for
instance,
I,
think
shows
that
they're
expanding
their
not
just
footprint,
but
their
engagement.
That
really
is
going
to
make
a
difference
in
their
whole
area.
G
Sure
so
it's
still
on
page
five.
This
is
a
recommendation
that
came
to
us
from
Mark
Heckman
Place
types,
both
framework
five
for
the
established
neighborhoods
Suburban
neighborhoods,
could
generally
consisting
of
moderate
density,
predominantly
detached
single-family
homes.
He
requested
that
we
modify
after
single
family
homes
ad
and
small
scale
commercial
strike
that
will
remain
as
such
for
the
foreseeable
future.
The
basis
for
change
was
that
it
reflects
actual
conditions
in
most
neighborhoods
and
removes
a
declarative
statement
about
the
future
of
these
neighborhoods.
G
A
couple
Pages
now
we're
on
page
eight,
so
we've
moved
to
page
eight.
This
is
an
issue
that
came
from
I.
D
Think
one
of
the
diff
one
of
the
items,
though
that
is
a
little
different,
is
on
page
seven,
where
she
talks
about
striking
the
language
about
the
sequencing.
G
Yeah
she
strikes
the
section
that
we
talk
about
the
reference
to
the
recommendation
in
the
efficiency
study
and
the
quote
from
director
of
paip
gutwald
and
realigning
the
major
land
use
processes,
reordering
the
sequence
of
decision
making
for
high
alcohol
order.
D
D
C
D
C
D
G
G
Master
plan
recommends
adjusting
Susie
and
Peter
to
your
cycle
again.
I
think
we
probably
already
touched
on
this,
but
I
understand
the
need
for
adjusting
ccnp
process
to
align
with
the
master
plan
timeline
for
consistency
and
efficiency,
but
the
current
Cycles
only
change
process
has
come
for
some
traffic
conditions
can
change
for
frequently
than
every
10
years
and
Property
Owners
need
to
be
able
to
adjust.
Accordingly,
I
suggest
reviewing
the
cycle,
zoning
change
process
and
frequency.
If
this
is
adopted,.
G
G
The
next
one's
still
on
page
eight
land
use
processes,
growth
framework,
six.
This
came
from
Howard
Polo
and
Todd
Warren.
It's
really
just
a
statement.
The
plan
calls
for
the
frequency
of
the
ccmp
to
be
every
10
years
and
for
further
restrictions
on
the
put
process.
This
removes
two
very
valuable
development
tools:
tools
that
are
also
imperative
for
redevelopment.
D
D
I'm
not
really
speaking
to
the
resolution
to
just
that,
because
of
issues
like
that
that
does
I
think
raise
questions
about
the
value
of
reviewing
the
process,
not
necessarily
to
change
the
process.
It's
really
about
reviewing
it
to
see
if
it's
system
that
we
have
in
place
to
go
appropriate
I
mean
quite
honestly,
if
there's
one
project
that
we
basically
to
create
One
commercial
property,
One
commercial
business
on
a
piece
of
property,
is
that
what
a
pun
is
intended
to
do?
I
think
that's!
That
becomes
the
question.
D
It's
a
policy
question
is:
what
are
you
trying
to
achieve
with
the
putt?
Yes,
you
can
get
rid
of
the
underlying
zoning
and
the
question
that
came
up
with
for
parts
and
the
attorneys
that
weighed
in
is
that:
can
you
take
a
residential
piece
of
property
and
build
a
commercial
on
it?
Well,
the
language
of
the
HUD
code
suggests.
C
D
D
G
G
It
okay,
so
we're
still
on
page
eight,
for
this
extends
the
next
page
or
two
is
a
pretty
long
one,
but
it
does
relate
to
the
Pud
process,
development
processes
and
growth
framework,
seven
to
revise
the
language,
remove
the
language,
recommending
changes
to
the
Pod
process,
so
I'll
read
through
what
she's
added
and
changed
here
made
the
development
manuals
used
today
were
created
decades
ago
and
need
to
be
updated
in
order
to
reflect
modern
day
development
practices.
The
definition
and
application
process
for
a
TOD
needs
to
be
more
clearly
specified
to
suggest
striking.
G
The
planned
unit
development
process
needs
to
be
evaluated
for
transparency,
clear
articulation
of
eligibility
requirements,
green
benefits
and
ensuring
higher
quality
development.
G
Next
down
from
that
Planning
and
Development
process,
is
she
forgot,
she
suggests
striking
a
mixed
use,
so
a
plan
to
use
PUD
is
a
development
that
may
strike
Bond
proposed
residential
recreational,
industrial
and
or
commercial
elements.
The
approval
process
for
a
pod
is
similar
to
that
of
other
Land
Development
projects,
except
that
the
County
Council
must
determine
the
pub
will
achieve
substantially
higher
quality
development
than
a
conventional
development.
She
proposed.
G
Down
to
the
end.
Puds
are
only
permitted
within
the
urban
rural
demarcation
line,
adding
with
the
ability
for
Council
to
approve
uses
indicities,
not
otherwise
permitted
by
the
underlying
zoning.
The
code
process
has
proven
a
valuable
to
tool
to
allow
for
development
and
Redevelopment
in
this
mature
jurisdiction.
She
then
proposes
to
strike
everything
below
that.
F
G
Now
we're
on
page
11.:
these
are,
let's
see,
okay,
so
this
is
from
a
planning
board.
Member
halipta.
This
was,
it
seems,
questions
and
comments,
not
necessarily
like
an
action
to
change
our
wording.
The
claim
is,
the
claim
is
that
the
department
has
identified
the
most
retrofit
worthy
locations
throughout
Baltimore
County,
using
a
neutral
data-driven
process
based
on
a
number
of
geographic,
social
and
economic
determinants.
G
G
Okay,
I'll,
let
Jennifer
answer
the
details
of
that,
but
you
know
generally,
we
were
looking
at
Community
input.
We
were
looking
at
the
APA
references
that
we
have
for
sustaining
places
and
retrofitting
models,
and
you
know
just
with
our
general
staff
experience
and
expertise
and
what
we've
seen
out
in
the
communities.
G
D
D
D
G
All
right,
yep
sure,
so
the
next
one
is
again
from
Scott
and
I
think
Bill's
on
what
he
had
asked
previously.
All
the
metrics
were
combined
on
this
map
to
give
each
area
inside
the
URL
retrofit
score.
What
is
an
area?
Is
it
a
parcel,
a
block,
a
block
group
attract?
G
C
C
E
D
B
They
are
Partners,
we
should
not
be
dependency
and
nobody
has
that
intention.
That's
Gregory
at
all
I
can
guarantee
you.
Nobody
has
that
intention
at
all.
So
what
we'll
do,
if
you
don't
mind.
G
All
right,
so
we
will
move
past
Mr,
hilfo's
questions.
He
had
some
additional
questions
about
15-minute
city
concept.
It's
called
retrofit
area
just
for
folks
who
don't
have
a
copy
of
this
I
thought.
I
would
just
kind
of
touch
on
it
and
some
questions
about
the
small
area
plans
and
that
kind
of
thing.
G
G
To
the
next
piece
page
12.
just
pass
the
last
sorry
go
ahead.
B
B
B
As
it
was
including
the
water,
but
is
it
New
York
to
that
point?
Is
it
La?
Is
it
San
Francisco,
because
housing
now
is,
you
know
a
million
dollars
for
a
little
two-bedroom
house,
so
I
make
them
aware
that
there's
nothing
in
planning
I
would
think.
You
know
that
you
learn
in
school.
I
didn't
learn
that
when
I
studied,
but
you
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
be
in
the
future.
B
If
we
all
watch
our
Star,
Wars
and
Star
Trek
movies
and
see
the
cities
that
they
have
is
that
300
years
from
now,
I
think
that
it
is
a
constant
change
and
things
have
to
change
based
on
where
you
live
in
the
world,
because
Beijing
that
has
12
or
15
million
people,
whatever
the
numbers
are
of
the
Cities
Johannesburg
that
has
nine
billion
versus
our
city
that
has
600
times.
You
have
to
always
be
thinking
further
ahead
and
maintain,
say
that.
D
D
A
deadline,
I
believe
I
I,
know,
there's
desire
to
have
it
completed,
or
at
least
to
the
council
before
cznp
begins
in
September,
but
we
don't
have
a
set
time
frame.
B
There
is
a
lot
that
I've
been,
you
know,
might
be
involved
in
real
estate,
but
I
don't
understand
some
of
the
terms.
Some
of
the
things
I
personally
would
love
to
see
us
have
a
few
work
sessions
on
or
whether
that
be
one
two
or
three
to
really
be
over.
Ask
questions
of
you,
you
know
Scott,
do
you
have
a
lot
of
knowledge?
Other
people
do,
but
you
know
there's.
This
is
a
long
document
and
a
very
important
document
for
the
next
10
years.
B
A
But
the
best
that
I
can
you
know
as
we
get
on
from
Las
Vegas
last
week
it
was
very
different
from
the
equipment
away
on
the
15th
as
well
in
the
country,
but
you
know
I
do
think
that
we
need
some
more
time
to
really
understand
it
before
this
board,
hopefully
really
ready
to
fight
to
approve
this
for
a
10-year
plan.
That's
how
I
feel
well,
I
I
think.
Do
you
think
I
think
it
would
probably
be
good
to
have
the
meeting
on
the
15th
and
come
up
with
some
plans
on
moving
forward.
E
D
D
I
would
suggest
or
urge
consideration
for
more,
not
wait
two
weeks
and
then
two
more
weeks
and
two
more
weeks
because
then
we'll
be
into
October
and
all
due
respect
when
ccmp
starts
particularly
Amy
and
Jen
they're
like
above
their
eyeballs,
and
we.
So
we
need
to
move
this
more
quickly
with.
B
D
A
couple
meetings-
maybe
it's
a
Tuesday
or
Thursday
as
you
do
with
Capital
budgets
or
something
a
couple
hours
each
and
you
know
we
can
work
with
you
around
schedules
and
make
ourselves
available
to
find
room,
and
you
know
feed
you
or
whatever.
D
No
I,
understand,
I,
appreciate
and
that's
what
I'm
saying
too
that
to
really
drill
down
more
deeply
than
what
you
think
we
are
able
to
today,
but
I'd
also
really
want
to
get
a
little
more
clarity
and
I'm,
not
saying
Scott
that
you
haven't
been
clear
but
make
sure
that
we're
getting
giving
you
what
you
want
for
me
and
we
can
have
Jen
and
others
walk
through
more
in
more
detail,
maybe
with
more
pictures
or
data
points
on
the
on
the
desk
to
actually
explain
these
questions
you
posed,
they
made
you
know,
and
we
may
not
ever
fully
satisfy
the
questions
you
have,
but
to
give
you
at
least
how
our
thinking
has
been
and
the
thinking
of
others
who
contribute
to
this
process.
D
So
helping
us
understand
if
you
answer
ABC
indeed,
this
will
get
us
to
that.
Next
level
would
be
invaluable
because
we
don't
want
to
go
down
the
roadway
and
find
out
we're
not
getting
to
where
you
want
to
do
so
that,
as
you
said,
Todd
that
you're
able
then
to
feel
you
can
make
a
good
decision
on
whether
or
not
to
support
one
part
or
another.
Of
your
plan.
A
D
D
We
want
to
drill
down
to
again
get
to
the
information.
It's
going
to
be
most
useful
to
you
not
just
trying
to
explain
how
we
got
together.
C
C
But
since
1970
and
we've
ever
had
anything
left
before
your
cycle,
bunch
of
Registries
I
know
the
woman
so
to
make
those
changes
and
sign
off
on
that.
But
it's
a
big
change.
I
would
like
to
know
what
the
other
counties
and
why
they
employ
already
here
and
I
use
embarrassing
work
fairly
well.
I
like
and
not
say
anything.
B
B
E
Definitely
sounds
like
data
is
an
issue.
I
mean
I,
think
the
data
will
suggest
where
we
start
to
production.
When
we
can't
develop
I
think
we
should
spread
it
out
a
little
bit
more
instead
of
just.
E
B
B
B
B
G
D
D
That
you
know
we'd
be
willing
to
meet
more
frequently,
and
we
know
that
especially
now
as
you
get
into
July,
the
board
doesn't
meet
in
August
typically
and
won't
be
probably
unless
you
change
that
up,
but
July
is
a
vacation
month.
So
we
just
recognize
that
keeping
the
group
together
for
decision
making.
D
D
My
one
big
concern
truly
is
that
if
we
took
10
years
and
we
get
rid
of
bugs
generally
that's
as
a
statement
they're
very
much
more
difficult,
now
delay
development
for
10
years
I
might
be
sold
on
something
else,
10
years.
If
the
funds
stayed
pretty
much
where
they
are
so
there
is
an
opportunity
but
I
think
personally,
those
who
do
the
main
issues
that
I
have
that
really
I
think
delayed
development.
D
D
Well,
it
depends
I
mean,
since
part
of
the
part
of
the
fulcrum
here
is
the
opportunity
for
Scott
to
meet
and
talk
through
with
Jen
and
others.
You
know
like
what.
How
do
we
get
here?
Make
sure
that
there's
a
greater
comfort
with
either
the
metrics
or
do
we
have
to
adjust
them?
I
mean
that's,
that's
an
option
now,
a
good
one
frankly
at
this
stage,
but
if
that's
sort
of
where
we
end
up
that's
what
we
need
to
do
to
address
the
concerns.
D
So,
just
so
I
I'm
sure,
I
know
where
we're
heading
in
a
chair
that
the
next
meeting
is
on
the
15th
Scott
will
work
with
Ken
and
us
to
come
up
with
a
time
that
he
has
so
he
can
walk
through
some
of
the
questions
that
are
still
open.
Then,
when
we'll
reconvene
on
the
27th,
unless
there's
I,
guess
accommodating
some
of
the
members
who
will
be
away
before
that
to
actually
reconvene,
if
you
will
the
conversation
about
the
issues
that
are
still
open.