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A
A
2023
meeting
of
the
Baltimore
County
planning
board,
it
is
now
called
the
order.
I'm
Nancy
Hafford
the
chair,
and
we
will
now
start
the
meeting
with
the
roll
call
of
our
board
members
that
are
present
Mr
a
ray
Miss
Brophy
here,
Miss
German
here,
Mr,
heifer,
Hafer,
sorry,
he's
gone,
Mr,
Heckman,
Mr,
heinel,
Mr,
Hinton,
Mr,
holipka,.
A
A
A
Are
there
any
changes
to
the
tentative
agenda
as
published
no
changes,
Madam
chair,
thank
you
in
the
April
13
2023
email.
You
received
draft
minutes
from
the
March
30th
meeting,
as
everyone
had
an
opportunity
to
review
the
minutes,
any
corrections,
if
none
may
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes,
has
circulated.
Thank
you
all
in
favor
aye.
Thank
you.
A
First
on
the
agenda,
we
have
a
presentation
from
Miss
Quick,
Mr,
Chris
Weaver
of
the
research
analysts
and
design
division
of
the
Department
of
planning
on
the
2022
Baltimore
County
annual
growth
report.
This
item
is
scheduled
to
be
voted
on
immediately
following
the
presentation
in
any
discussion.
Please
join
me
in
welcoming
Mr
Weaver.
D
Chairwoman,
Hafford
members
of
the
planning
board
you've
all
received
a
copy
of
the
2022
annual
growth
report,
I'm
just
here
to
sort
of
go
over
and
highlight.
What's
in
it,
the
Elena's
article
of
the
annotated
code
of
Maryland
requires
the
charter
counties
provide
an
annual
report
on
growth.
This
report
will
be
due
on
July
1st
of
2023..
D
D
Sorry
I'll
work
all
right
kind
of
difficulties.
First,
we'll
look
at
development
patterns.
In
2022
there
were
a
total
of
28
development
plans
approved,
including
12
major
development
plans,
nine
minor
subdivisions,
three
planned
unit
developments
or
puds,
and
four
limiteds
total
number
of
residential
units
approved
in
those
plans
was
2310
of
those
59
percent
are
single
family
attached,
35
percent
are
multi-family,
four
percent
are
single,
family
detached
and
two
percent
are
single-family
semi-detached.
D
D
D
In
2022,
the
number
of
constructed
residential
units
with
occupancy
permits
was
1230.
This
was
slightly
lower
than
in
21
and
20,
with
1
323
and
1670.
New
Resident
residential
units
respectively
of
the
1230
new
residential
units
permitted
for
occupancy
in
2022.
91.2
percent
of
the
units
were
within
the
hurdle.
D
D
D
Our
development
capacity
model
was
updated
to
include
numbers
that
reflect
development
through
the
end
of
2022
and
with
the
current
zoning.
The
most
recent
model
result
shows
that
the
number
of
potential
units
could
range
from
10
782
units,
with
the
moderate
scenario
in
place
to
26
783
units,
assuming
the
full
Zone
build
out.
Experience
tells
us
that
most
Lots
do
not
build
out
to
full
density
with
an
average
unit
built
out
of
1
300
per
year,
land
inside
the
ertle
will
reach
a
total
build
out
in
eight
or
between
8
to
21
years.
D
D
Dpwt
has
continued
the
metering
of
10
remaining
sewer
relief,
Point
locations.
They
have
also
completed
several
Rehabilitation
projects
and
are
now
performing
post-construction
monitoring
to
determine
the
effectiveness
of
those
projects.
D
As
far
as
Transportation
goes,
there's
12
F
level
intersections
and
one
e-level
intersection
proposed
in
the
2022
basic
service
transportation
map
which
would
control
development
and
those
intersections
are
listed
here.
I'm,
not
going
to
say
all
of
them.
You
guys
can
look
them
up
in
the
report.
They're
really
interesting
in
2022-29
road
projects
were
constructed
or
extended,
totaling
4.96
miles.
Sorry.
D
100
of
the
total
mileage
of
those
New
Roads
was
within
the
ertle,
and
those
projects
can
be
seen
here
again,
probably
easier.
Just
to
read
in
your
report.
D
D
So
The
Preserve
land
total
is
shown
in
the
sort
of
yellowish
green
there
and
then
the
points
shown
on
there
are
in
green
rural
Legacy
program
in
purple.
Maryland
agricultural
land
preservation
in
Orange,
Baltimore,
County
agricultural
land
and
in
Black
local
land
trusts.
E
D
E
Types
and
then
my
last
question,
that's
right!
The
last
question
was
on
the
failing
intersections
I.
Remember
you
reporting
I,
believe
it
was
you
reporting
that
there
was
an
intersection
on
Padonia
Road
that
really
wasn't
failing,
but
they
kept
making
it
failing.
Is
that
still
the
case
that
they're.
D
I
think
the
report
details
that
I
don't
have
a
copy
of
that
in
front
of
me,
but
I
believe
one
was
changed.
I,
don't
remember,
which
one
I'm
an
F
to
a
c.
The
Public
Works
requested
that
somebody
had
to
report
out
that
they
can
see
that
you
can
follow
up.
If
not,
is
it
two
questions
figure
it
out
for
you.
C
Again,
I
appreciate
all
the
effort
that
goes
into
doing
this
and
I
always
find
it
fascinating.
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions.
One
sort
of
building
off
of
Mr
Warren's
question
the
development
capacity.
I
know:
that's
you
know,
ten
thousand.
Do
you
have
any
sense
of
how
many
acres
that
is
at
the
sort
of
curious
how
to
compare
that
to
some
of
the
other.
C
Wise,
okay
and
that's
sort
of
curious
how
that
compares
I
was
also
curious.
I
appreciate
the
last
two
years
you
guys
have
put
the
school
numbers
in
that's
and
I
know
that
you're,
probably
just
getting
it
straight
from
the
school
system,
so
I
don't
know
who
would
answer.
This
I
was
really
struck
by
the
fact
that
the
capacity
at
the
high
schools
decreased
by
like
5
000
seats
and
I,
don't
understand
why
that
would
have
occurred
so
that
sort
of
don't
have
an
answer.
C
C
I
was
also
wondering,
if
was
struck
by
the
the
number
of
schools,
elementary
middle
and
high
schools
that
are
actually
well
under
enrollment
I'm,
wondering
if
you
know
for
next
year,
whenever
you
guys
do
this
presentation
again
in
addition
to
showing
the
school's
over
capacity
showing
the
schools
that
are,
you
know
at
least
less
than
80
capacity,
because
you
know,
according
to
my
calculations,
we
have
like
out
of
106
elementary
schools.
We
have
19
now
out
of
106
yeah
106
elementary
schools.
We
have
19
that
are
below
80
capacity.
C
We
have
six
middle
schools
and
we
even
have
one
high
school.
That's
at
less
than
it
now
we're
always
hearing
about
the
schools
that
are
overcrowded
for
obvious
reasons,
but
it
is
interesting
how
much
of
the
counties
schools
are
declining
and
when
we
have
the
school
system
and
I
suspect
those
Trends
are
going
to
continue
too
so.
F
E
F
F
That's
a
big
spread
depending
on
what
gets
built,
but
if
we're
eight
or
ten
years
and
we're
done
we're
sort
of
in
a
little
trouble,
I
think
a
lot
of
us
feel
the
4
000
at
1200
means
three
years
left
so
I'm
trying
to
really
understand
the
two
numbers
to
know
what
our
real
capacity
in
Baltimore
county
is
for
the
next
10
years.
G
You
last
thing
that
I'd
like
before
he
goes
on,
if
I'm,
not
mistaken,
I
think
if
I'm
wrong
you
calculate.
According
to
this,
there
are
1100
11
000.
Approximately
6500
of
those
sites
would
be
underdeveloped
as
well
as
in
another
four
thousand
that
are
vacant
now
to
be
developed,
so
at
1300
or
1200
a
year.
You
are
talking
about
approximately
eight
years
or
so
to
build
out
for
that,
because
that
is
underdeveloped
Lots
as
well.
G
You
know
someone
has
a
single
family
house
on
two
acres
and
then
they
can
take
it
down
and
build
a
5.5
or
something
so
part
of
part
of
what
we
don't
have
here
and
I
guess
we
we
do
have.
Is
the
zoning
on
each
of
these
different
Parcels
to
know
what
potential
build
out
would
be
in
certain
areas,
whether
it's
multi-family
or
attached
or
detached
housing?
We.
F
Always
understand
that
Huds
could
give
us
more
density
in
the
county
at
some
future
point.
But
you
know
then
I
read
the
2030
plan
and
we
talk
about
not
you
know
using
puts
as
much
that's
a
concern.
So
that's
why
we're
trying
to
get
a
real
handle
on
the
numbers
that
are
really
out
there.
The
last
thing
that
maybe
you
can
come
back
with
some
of
this
other
information.
F
It
would
just
help
me
I
see
where
you
have
them
on
the
map,
but
it
doesn't
tell
me
the
name
of
the
project
when
I
drive
around
the
county,
I
might
see,
Perry,
Ridge
or
I
might
see
something
else
and
drive
through
it
to
look
at
it.
It'd
be
nice
to
sort
of
identify
the
projects
that
came
on
that
comprise
that
1300
Lots.
You
know
if
we
can,
especially
the
residential.
You
know
the
commercial
we'll
always
have,
because
there's
always
major
Redevelopment,
that's
happening.
You
know.
Trade
point
is
our
absolute
perfect
example.
F
B
Okay,
Ms
Wolfson
thanks
thanks
for
your
report,
do
you
have
any
idea
of
what
would
have
to
be
expanded
as
far
as
schools
and
public
services
to
accommodate
the
full
potential
capacity
and
does
the
county
have
the
land
to
develop
those
schools
and
public
services
to
accommodate
that
kind
of
growth.
F
Board
one
question
from
Steve:
maybe
I
don't
know
if
they
can
do
I'm.
Looking
at
the
sign
that
says
Ertl,
you
know,
Mr,
McGinnis
and
I
have
been
on
12
15
years,
but
the
rest
of
us
maybe
it'd,
be
nice
to
have
a
little
half
hour
one
time
on
really
what
the
Ertl
and
we
know
where
the
lines
are.
We
understand
that
we're
supposed
to
try
to
develop
in
it,
but
maybe
the
enabling
legislation
may
be
somebody
that
can
really
explain
it
to
us.
F
You
know
I
know
it
can
be
expanded
a
little
bit.
You
know
when
we
have
to
we've
done
that,
but
it
might
not
be
a
bad
class
for
us
to
get
a
little
understanding
of
okay.
C
C
My
impression
is
that
most
of
the
other
jurisdictions,
the
Baltimore
metro
area
and
if
I
was
reading
Howard
County's
model
right
they've
got
two
percent
of
their
land.
Still
undeveloped,
Carroll
County
I
think
had
around
you
know.
They
said
they
have
a
capacity
for
around
13
000
units,
Harford
County
hadn't
quite
found,
but
is
there
anyone
who
puts
us
all
together?
I
mean
we
focus
on
the
county,
but
is
there
anyone
talking
at
the
Metro
level
just
how
much
growth
capacity
have
we
given
ourselves
because
it
feels
like
we
don't
have
a
lot.
C
I
mean
we've
pushed
out
Baltimore
City
Baltimore
County
used
to
be
80
percent
of
the
metro
population.
Now
it's
like
50,
so
clearly,
we've
had
a
lot
of
expansion
outwards,
but
as
those
places
limit
themselves,
it
would
just
you
know-
is
at
the
bottom
of
our
Metropolitan
Council.
Who
would
anyone
have
that
kind
of
number?
G
E
Last
call
I,
just
I,
just
kind
of
would
like
to
like
this
I'd
like
to
see
what
of
that
year,
how
many
of
those
were
one
one
unit,
either
town
homes
or
houses
or
whatever
one
unit.
There's
a
I
think
this
is
an
overstatement
of
the
I
think
the
capacity
is
probably
three
years
or
three
and
a
half
years,
and
not
eight
or
twelve,
and
that
makes
sense.
G
To
your
last
question,
Mr
Warren,
on
page
six
of
the
report,
it
indicates
the
unit
types
it
comes
up
to
the
1230.
For
instance,
There
were
single
family
detached
was
only
19
units.
This
again
goes
back
to
22
occupancy
permits,
so
units
could
have
been
constructed
or
under
construction,
but
this
is
referencing
the
permits
that
have
been
granted
for
occupancy,
whereas
multi-family
was
534..
So
clearly,
there
are
more
multi-family
units
that
came
online
were
occupied
in
22.
G
than,
for
instance,
single
family,
detached.
G
Very
well
could
be
that's
yeah
because,
like
Altus
I
think
was
occupied
in
22
and
and
perhaps
Aspen
as
well
yeah
correct
if
I
may
I'm
sure
there
are
two
of
the
points
the
school
numbers,
Mr
olympka
they're
from
22.,
so
we
have
seen
the
23
numbers
and
in
fact,
for
instance,
Hampton
Elementary
was
shown
in
22
it
being
99
it's
now
at
112..
G
So
just
in
that
year's
time
capacity
has
changed,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I've
talked
to
Ms
Meacham
about
is
much
of
the
change
in
school
capacity
is
not
new
construction.
It's
when
family,
tights
or
sizes
move
out.
When
my
wife
and
I
move
out
of
our
neighborhood,
it's
likely
to
have
a
family
with
children,
move
in
and
you're,
not
creating
new,
it's
just
more
kids
or
families
are
coming
in.
The
second
comment:
Miss
Perler,
we're
not
saying
get
away,
do
away
with
buds.
We're
saying:
look
at
the
Pud
process.
G
D
A
C
A
C
B
A
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
After
April
13
2023
meeting
the
landmarks
preservation
commission
voted
to
issue
three
certificates
of
appropriateness
to
the
following
properties:
the
Gallagher
property
at
703,
able
Ridge
Circle
in
Towson,
the
Schnitzer
property
at
1721,
Arlington
Avenue
in
relay,
and
the
concur
property
at
1606,
South,
Rolling
Road
in
relay,
and
that
concludes
the
report.
Thank.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
Bill,
11-23
zoning
regulations,
Honeygo
overlay
district
for
the
purpose
of
prohibiting
Panhandle
Lots
in
the
Honeygo
overlay
District.
After
a
certain
time,
defining
an
urban
Forest
patch
Conservancy
area
and
setting
certain
limitations
on
disturbing
such
areas
in
the
Honeygo
overlay,
District
amending
the
authorization
to
accept
a
fee
in
lieu
of
providing
the
required
open
space
in
certain
areas
of
the
Honeygo
overlay
district
and
generally
relating
to
the
Honeygo
overlay
District
resolution.
H
A
G
As
a
reminder
for
the
board
that
the
Baltimore
County
master
plan
2030
had
been
online
for
two
weeks
to
receive
comments,
those
comments
are
being
gathered
and
with
the
intent
that
on
May
4th
when
it's
introduced
to
the
board,
the
edits
will
be
made
to
that
document.
So
that
you'll
see
get
the
benefit.
Hopefully
in
the
presentation,
not
only
the
methodology.
But
how
we're
addressing
many
of
those
comments
that
will
be
a
virtual
meeting
on
May
4th
as
you
and
I
previously
discussed.
G
Madam
chair
the
public
hearing
itself
on
May
18th
will
also
be
virtual
so
that
we
can
accommodate
more
members
of
the
public
with
the
intent
of
coming
back
on
June,
2nd,
the
first
meeting
in
June
as
a
time
for
deliberation
and
discussion
about
the
master
plan
and
then
about
this,
the
third
meeting
of
June.
So
it
takes
a
little
bit
longer
than
normally
when
we
have
the
public
hearings,
but
because
of
the
nature
of
the
master
plan
and
the
desire
to
get
good
feedback
and
dialogue
between
the
members.
That's
the
program.
A
A
Okay
good
evening,
everyone
once
again
and
welcome
to
the
Baltimore
County
planning
board
public
hearing
for
the
Bedford
property.
The
public
hearing
is
now
called
the
order.
A
Nancy
Hafford,
the
chair
of
the
planning
department
and
we'll
now
do
a
roll
called
account
for
the
board
members
that
are
present.
When
you
hear
your
name,
please
say:
aye:
Mr,
Avery,
aye,
Miss,
Brophy,
aye,
Miss,
German,
I,
Mr,
Hafer,
Mr,
Heckman,
Mr,
heinel,.
E
B
A
I
I
Do
I
do
I'm,
gonna
I
think
everybody
here
is
familiar
with
the
development,
we're
looking
on
the
the
first
sheet
here,
very
close
to
the
beltway,
just
north
of
Seminary
Avenue,
it's
about
21
acres
in
size.
It
could
yield
10
Lots
we're
only
proposing
six,
and
you
may
remember-
and
this
is
really
the
most
important
part
for
this
evening-
that
at
section
5-104
of
the
land
use
article
of
the
annotated
code
of
Maryland.
I
Is
why
we're
here
when
you
have
a
major
subdivision
outside
the
urinal
and
really
on
an
area,
that's
going
to
be
served
by
well
and
septic.
You
have
to
first
come
to
the
planning
board
for
recommendation
for
this
subdivision,
and
there
are
two
things
that
the
planning
board
is
being
asked
to
to
look
at.
One
is
what
is
the
cost
of
providing
local
government
services
to
the
proposed
residential
major
subdivision?
I
First
of
all,
with
regard
to
the
local
Services,
there's
a
mature
Road
Network
in
the
surrounding
area,
there
are
no
New
Roads.
Maybe
can
we
go
to
the
site
plan
just
as
a
reminder.
I
So
there's
no
new
public
roads
that
are
that
are
proposed
as
a
part
of
this
development.
There
is
a
brief,
a
very
small
common.
I
I
Those
will
be
Public,
Services
they're,
going
to
happen
within
the
private
Circle,
which
is
something
that
we've
already
cleared
with
public
works
and
they're
content
with
that
and
actually
pleased
to
get
the
vehicles
off
of
the
road,
but
there
will
be
no
County
maintenance
with
regard
to
repaving
or
or
snowplows
switching
to
the
environmental
side
of
things.
I
One
of
the
things
that
you
may
ever
mentioned
from
last
time
is
that
about
42
percent
of
this
site,
so
almost
half
of
the
site,
the
area-
that's
the
site-
is
going
to
be
perpetually
preserved,
going
forward
in
a
combination
of
forest
conservation
and
Forest
buffer
easements.
We
are
not
proposing
any
impacts
to
streams
or
other
natural
resources
located
on
the
property.
There
may
be
an
alternative
analysis
that
we
need
to
submit
for
the
driveway
a
portion
of
it
and
perhaps
a
portion
of
the
stormwater
Management
Facility,
but
those
are
facts.
I
I
So
we
think
for
all
those
reasons,
we
ask
the
planning
board
to
support
this
major
subdivision
and
I
also
think
just
as
a
quick
aside
after
watching
the
the
presentation
before
this
during
the
planning
board
meeting,
you
know,
I
think
one
thing
that
excuse
me
the
planning
board's
original
meaning.
One
thing
that
was
not
said
and
I
think
the
planning
board
members
probably
know
is
that
the
last
census,
Baltimore
county
is
shrinking
and
that's
not
necessarily
a
good
thing.
I
In
fact,
I
would
say
it's
not
a
good
thing
at
all
and
I
think
we
need
to
promote
growth
and
I
think
that
that
story
also
suggested
that
land
inside
the
hurdle
is
becoming
at
a
premium
and
I
think
this
development
for
six
Lots,
just
beyond
the
hurdle.
Very
you
know
two
minutes
if
you
will
from
the
Beltway
I
think
this
is
a
perfect
spot
to
capture
some
more
of
that
growth
in
hopes
of
promoting
growth.
I
should
say
to
allow
Baltimore
County
to
continue
to
thrive.
Thank.
A
A
Palmer
county
has
the
lowest
percentage
in
Italian
state
and
it's
a
shame.
I
hear
a
lot
of
people
offers.
A
A
A
I
C
A
Mcginnis
aye
Mr
perlow
hi
Miss
Panero
Mr
Warren
Miss,
Wolfson
aye.
Thank
you
this
evening.
We've
had
an
opportunity
to
discuss
and
then
vote
on
the
Bedford
property.
Major
subdivision
staff,
from
the
Department
of
planning
and
representatives
of
for
the
applicants
are
here
to
answer
any
further
questions
that
the
board
might
have
as
we
discuss
before
we
vote
board
members.
Do
you
have
any
outstanding
questions.