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B
That's
wonderful
but
folks,
it
is
four
o'clock
and
it
is
time
to
start
our
meeting.
So
I
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
welcome
to
the
june
2nd
2022
meeting
of
the
baltimore
county
planning
board.
It
is
now
called
to
order.
I'm
nancy
hafford,
I'm
the
chair,
and
we
will
now
start
the
meeting
with
the
roll
call
accounting
for
the
members
that
are
present.
C
D
E
F
B
B
G
B
Are
there
any
changes,
if
not
may
accept,
accept
the
motion
to
accept
the
minutes
is
circulated.
F
B
H
Gonna
have
to
do
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
the
introduction
and
we
do
have
a
presentation
that
I
think
will
be
coming
up
momentarily
or
I
guess
I'm
supposed
to
bring
that
up.
My.
H
Okay,
so
the
intention
of
my
presentation-
because
I
don't
want
to
following
me-
will
be
mr
catrocco,
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
for
the
property,
I'm
going
to
give
a
general
overview
of
the
the
mr
zone
and
the
role
of
the
planning
board.
In
this
instance.
H
H
H
I
H
Site
that
we
are
looking
at
today
is
at
4308
milford
mill
road
for
development
in
the
mr
zone.
H
A
H
They
can
only
be
created
by
petition
in
accordance
with
the
procedure
outlined
in
the
section
of
the
code,
which
is
bccr,
section
240
and
shall
be
construed
to
have
any
effect
on
the
zone
established
as
the
mr
prior
to
the
enactment.
H
The
procedure
as
per
240.3
is
that
the
property
owner
shall
file
the
proposed
development
plan
and
within
30
days,
the
receipt
of
that
plan.
The
planning
board
shall
make
recommendations
in
writing
to
the
administrative
law.
Judge
administrative
law
judge
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
will
pass
an
order
approving
or
disapproving
a
plan.
Following
the
planning
board's,
review,
recommendation
and
recommendation
to
the
administrative
law
judge.
H
There
are
some
middle
requirements
outlined
in
section
240,
and
they
simply
that
the
plan
shall
show
existing
target.
Excuse
me,
existing
topography
and
proposed
changes
in
grade
proposed
streets,
location,
size
and
general
character,
including
materials
proposed
use,
locations
and
sizes
of
proposed
parking
areas,
loading
and
unloading
areas
and
proposed
screening
and
plantings.
H
There
are
some
setback
regulations
stipulated
as
well
in
the
mr
zone,
which
we
have
listed
here.
There's
a
75
foot
front
setback
requirement,
50,
foot,
side,
setbacks
and
rear
setbacks,
125
foot
setback
to
the
nearest
residential
zone
line.
There
is
a
one-story
building
limit
of
25
coverage
and
no
parking
within
25
feet
of
a
residential
zone.
H
This
slide
here
is
demonstrating
where
the
site
is
specifically
located
on
milford
mill,
as
you
can
see,
see
here
highlighted
in
blue
the
adjacent
and
then
the
dark
blue
lines
are
the
zoning
lines.
H
So
the
mr
zone
kind
of
goes
down
the
middle
of
milford
mill
and
it
encompasses
this
site
entirely
and
then
immediately
adjacent
is
ml.
Zoning
and
then
the
yellow
is
dr55
zoning
and
then,
as
you
can
see
in
the
dark,
brown
is
dr16,
and
this
is
the
right-of-way
for
the
metro
right
here.
If
you
can
see
my
hand
there,
just
following
along
this
line
here.
H
I
did
go
out
in
the
field
and
took
a
couple
of
pictures
to
demonstrate
the
property
in
how
it's
situated.
This
is
a
view
all
this
treed
area
here
to
the
right
of
milford
mill,
road
heading
towards
the
east.
H
H
These
these
shots
were
taken
along
old,
milford
milled
road,
which
is
zoned
ml
zoning
and,
as
is
demonstrated
with
these
existing
buildings
here,
there's
a
variety
of
businesses
already
existing
this
yellow
on
the
forefront,
really
brilliant
beginnings.
I
think,
if
memory
served
me
correctly
was
a
sort
of
like
a
child
care
or
preschool,
and
then
the
white
buildings
in
the
back
appear
to
be
a
couple
of
different
businesses,
printer
and
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
then
the
area
I
have
indicated
here
is
the
treed
area
behind
is
the
site.
H
The
proposal
for
the
project
is
to
intended
to
be
a
self
storage
facility
and
I
will
bring
up
a
plan
on
the
next
slide,
but
the
gross
site
area
is
for
the
entire
property
is
56
326
square
feet.
The
building
is
being
proposed
at
117
square
feet.
H
H
A
side
setback
of
25
feet,
which
is
less
than
the
minimum
requirement,
a
front
setback
of
45
feet,
which
is
less
than
the
75-foot
requirement,
and
they
are
set
back
65
feet,
which
is
also
less
than
the
125
foot
setback
requirement
and
they
do
see
exceed
the
parking
setback
set
at
45
feet
when
the
minimum
requirement
is
25
feet.
H
So
let
me
see,
if
I
can,
can
everybody
see
this
okay
I'll
zoom
in
a
little
bit?
This
is
the
site
plan
proposal.
Excuse
me,
and
so
here's
milford
mill
and
deerfield
as
you
can
see
it's
kind
of
a
unusually
shaped
piece
of
land.
There
are
because
of
the
grading
of
the
road.
H
There
are
some
slopes
here
and
what
they're
proposing
is
this
building
which
a
portion
of
which
will
be
built
into
the
grade?
But
I
don't
want
to
get
into
much
detail.
I
don't
want
to
steal
mr
catrocco's
presentation,
so
I'm
sure
he'll,
probably
delve
into
those
access,
is
off
of
deerfield
in
this
vicinity.
Here
self
storage
facilities
don't
typically
generate
a
lot
of
parking,
so
they
do
show
some
proposed
parking
here
and
a
drive
aisle
down
the
side
of
the
southern
length
of
the
building.
With
a
turnaround
at
the
western
end
of
the.
H
H
H
So
we
did
ask
for
some
preliminary
analysis
from
of
the
other
county
reviewing
agencies
and
to
get
some
helpful
heat
feedback,
and
so
what
we're
presenting
to
you
all
today
is
that
our
position
is
overall.
The
proposed
development
seems
to
be
appropriate
for
the
mr
zone.
H
Should
the
planning
board
consider
the
development
proposal
to
move
forward?
We
just
made
the
following
observations.
Some
of
the
information
is,
is
not
fully
developed
and
would
need
to
be.
H
H
Zoning
did
comment
that
they
didn't
feel
it
need.
It
seemed
to
be
sufficient
in
parking
and
locations
of
public
entrances
into
the
building
and
entrances
to
access.
The
storage.
B
H
H
It
was
identified
by
both
epps
and
development
plans,
review
that
there's
a
potential
flood
plain
in
the
southwest
corner
of
the
site.
Retaining
walls
are
not
permitted
in
the
county,
right-of-way
easement
area.
I
think,
there's
a
little
bit
of
an
encroachment
there
bars
conservation
requirements
will
need
to
be
addressed
and
storm.
Water
management
needs
to
be
addressed,
so
not
that
those
are
issues
that
are.
H
Overly
concerning
you
know
when,
when
a
project
is
presented
in
this
sort
of
schematic
format,
those
types
of
issues
are
always
identified
and
can
be
worked
through
at
a
later
date.
So.
D
G
Yeah
good
afternoon,
mr.
B
H
Yes,
as
I
as
I
you
know,
the
only
thing
that
they're
required
to
show
at
this
point
is
just
some
preliminary
requirements
that
are
stipulated
in
section
240,
but
there's
obviously
a
lot
of
detailed
engineering,
that's
still
yet
to
happen,
and
that
could
retrigger
some
zoning
relief
and
so
we're
just
pointing
these
factors
out.
I'm
sure
mr
catrocco
may
have
some
answers
to
how
they're
planning
to
proceed
to
the
next
level.
Should
you
all
decide
to
vote
to
move
the
development
plan
forward.
A
A
Thanks
everybody
50
years
ago,
tropical
storm
agnes,
roared
through
and
greatly
affected
the
gwen's,
false
watershed,
and
I
believe,
flooded
this
area
out.
There
had
been
other
buildings
in
this
area
at
the
time,
and
so
I
would
say
that
serious
consideration
needs
to
be
given
to
flood
water
control.
Storm
water
management
here,
especially
with
its
proximity
to
the
glens,
falls
and
the
rail
line.
E
H
Well,
we
didn't
have
any
commentary
at
this
time.
I
I
think
we
would
have
a
chance
to
get
into
that
level
of
review
when
the
development
plan
came
through
the
county
review
process.
A
I
B
K
Thank
you,
chairwoman
hafford,
I
don't
know
if
miss
german
can
you
share.
Allow
me
to
share
my
screen.
Were
you
able
to
give
me
that
permission.
H
Said
miss
german,
which
was
my
name
but
miss
german
on
the
planning
board.
So
I
don't
want
to
confuse
anybody.
H
Okay,
I
think
you
can
go
ahead
and
share.
I
I've
stopped
sharing.
K
H
K
No
problem
I'll
go
ahead
and
just
pull
this
up.
So
thank
you
all
for
those
questions
we're
at
the
very
conceptual
stage
of
this
project.
You
all
raised
some
very
good
questions
and
I'll
try
to
address
them.
As
always.
Miss
nugent
in
the
planning
office
does
an
excellent
job
in
their
presentations,
I'll
just
try
to
fill
in
the
gap
a
little
bit
here
on
this
project.
K
We
are
very
conceptual
at
this
stage
very
unusual
in
a
zone
the
mr
zone
to
have
this
process
and
and
step
to
go
before
the
planning
board.
But
we're
happy
to
be
here
with
you
today.
The
major
part
of
our
work,
of
course,
is
when
we
go
before
the
administrative
law
judge
and
thereafter,
when
we
submit
construction
drawings,
but
we're
early
in
the
conceptual
stage.
K
This
is
a
a
simple
self-storage
building
proposal
where
a
person
just
drives
up
in
their
car
and
they
go
through
a
front
door
and
they
go
up
and
they
visit
their
belongings
in
these
storage
lockers.
It's
not
the
kind
where
you
where
you
pull
right
up
to
a
garage
type
door
and
you
you
roll
it
open.
Then
you
put
your
your
bedroom,
furniture
and
stuff
in
these
are
smaller
in
nature
type
of
self
storage
facilities.
K
You
see
a
bunch
of
them
going
up
around
the
area,
but
let
me
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
site.
Ms
wolfson
and
others
raised
some
some
good
good
points
about
the
apartment
complex,
the
warren
park
apartment
complex
across
the
street
from
milford
mill
road.
K
G
B
Excuse
me,
I
think
someone
has
their
they're
not
disputed.
Please
mute
yourselves
and
let
mr
catrocco
speak.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you,
miss
hafford.
You
see
the
old
milford
mill
road
here
in
the
bottom
of
this.
This
particular
photo
that
I'm
showing
you
that's
the
old
milford
mill
road.
It
was
replaced
by
the
new
milford
mill
road
that
goes
over
the
railroad
tracks.
Those
are
both
the
csx
railroad
tracks,
as
well
as
the
metro,
rail
line
that
runs
from
owings
mills
to
downtown
baltimore
and
that's
some
50
about
40
feet
or
so
up
in
the
air
over
top
of
those
railroad
tracks.
K
So
what
you
have
here
miss
wolfson
to
answer
your
question,
the
folks
that
live
over
here
in
the
apartment
complex,
the
milford
mill
road
rises
in
grade
up
to
about
40
feet
when
it
goes
across
those
railroad
tracks.
When
it
passes
our
site,
it's
pretty
much
about
25
feet
or
so
higher
in
elevation.
The
road
bed
is
than
our
site.
We
sit
down
in
a
hole
and
I'll
show
you
some
slides
of
that
here
shortly,
but
mr
man
pointed
it
out.
It
sits
down
pretty
low
in
the
ground
where
you
won't
see.
K
Much
of
that
facade
that
wall
that
that
was
mr
heckman
may
have
mentioned
as
well.
You're
not
going
to
see
a
lot
of
that,
and
I
don't
know
if
the
people
that
reside
over
in
these
apartments,
which
we
used
to
own,
will
be
able
to
even
see
the
building
on
the
other
side
of
milford
mill
road,
because
milford
mill
road
does
rise
up
in
elevation,
not
so
much
where
the
intersection
is
with
deerfield.
K
But
as
you
go
up
north
mill
road
you'll
see
it's
a
steady,
a
steady
incline
as
you
raise
an
elevation
to
get
over
those
railroad
tracks.
So
this
this
property
was
kind
of
orphaned
off
of
the
apartment
complex
when
milford
mill
road
was
installed
by
baltimore
county
to
provide
access
over
those
railroad
tracks,
and
we
had
a
previous
zoning
hearing
on
this
site
back
in
96
or
2000
and
2013
that
got
approval
from
the
zoning
commissioner.
K
At
that
time
the
administrative
law
judge
at
that
time
that
the
site
was
buildable
and
developable,
and
then
we've
proceeded
with
what
we
have
today
with
the
mini
storage,
but
we're
sandwiched
between
the
height
of
milford
mill
road
that
you
see
on
the
one
side
of
us
and
the
businesses
that
miss
german
identified.
It's
an
early
learning
center
there,
a
a
guardian
basement,
waterproofing
business,
pikesville,
lumber
company,
we're
in
the
rear
of
those
industrial
uses
in
the
back
between
milford
mill,
road
and
those
businesses.
K
So,
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
more
idea,
I'm
gonna
make
that
a
little
bit
smaller
I've.
Given
you
the
same
slide
that
miss
german
kind
of.
Did
I
colored
in
our
site
in
green
that
you
see
the
mr.
You
see
our
close
proximity
to
the
baltimore
city
line
here
on
the
one
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen
there
and
then
the
maryland
state
police
complex,
is
nearby.
K
The
yellow
area
that
you
see
is
the
apartment
complex,
which
we
were
part
of
at
one
time
until
that
road
came
through
the
middle
of
it,
and
then
the
metro
center
is
in
blue
here
off
to
the
side.
Another
slide
kind
of
repetitive
shows
you
the
same
thing:
state
police,
barracks
and
the
metro
line
and
the
apartment
complex.
So
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
to
locate
mr
rick
williams.
Who's
on
the
call
with
us
today
has
done
the
engineering
work.
We
did
clarify
that
there
is
no
floodplain
on
the
property.
K
The
corner
down
in
this
area,
where
my
cursor
is,
does
have
some
wetlands
and
some
area,
maybe
even
a
flood
plain
off-site,
but
our
building
is
located
entirely
outside
of
the
flood
plain.
But
if
you
were
to
pencil
it
in
like
I've
done
here,
you
see
this
is
kind
of
how
the
self-storage
building
would
be
laid
out
on
the
property.
It
is
very
unusually
shaped,
as
mr
german
mentioned,
but
it
will
it
will
and
can
fit
in
there
in
between
milford
mill,
road
and
the
rear
of
these
industrial
businesses.
K
So
a
lot
of
the
that's
the
same
site
plan
that
miss
german
already
showed
you
so
I'll
skip
through
that
and
just
show
you
some
of
the
photos.
A
bit
repetitive
of
what
miss
german
has.
I'm
sorry,
miss
nugent,
miss
miss
nugent
has
already
showed
you,
the
property
sits
down
in
in
the
kind
of
a
crevice
or
a
hole
next
to
milford
mill,
road
and
deerfield.
K
This
is
looking
from
deerfield
down
into
the
site,
it's
well
treed
and
buffered,
and
you
see
the
hill
and
the
slope
that
you
see
on
milford
mill
road
photos.
Don't
really
do
it
justice
they
try
to
give
you
some
idea
of
how
the
property
sits
down
lower
in
topography
and
elevation
from
where
milford
mill
road
is
so.
K
It
kind
of
sits
down
in
a
little
hole
in
this
area,
and
that's
that's
where
we're
planning
to
locate
this
is
the
guard
rail
along
milford
mill,
road,
looking
down
into
the
site
and
the
grades,
and
I
did
want
to
show
it's
another
site
from
taken
from
milford
mill
road
again
looking
down
into
the
into
the
property,
that's
deerfield
road
in
the
distance
there
and
then
behind
the
businesses
you
see
the
tree
line.
Our
building
will
be
on
the
other
side
of
those
trees
right
there
right
along
that
tree
line.
K
These
are
the
businesses
that
are
there
they're
industrial
type
of
businesses
with
their
storage
yards
in
the
back.
So
our
neighbor,
our
neighbors,
that
we
have.
We
have
the
highway
on
the
one
side,
with
the
apartments
on
the
other
side
of
milford
mill,
road,
the
highway
and
then
on
this
side.
The
rear
of
these
industrial
uses
that
that
are
back
there,
and
that
would
pretty
much
be
all
that
I
have
by
way
of
a
presentation
other
than
to
say
we
have
a
lot
of
process
yet
to
go
through.
K
We
have
on
the
administrative
law
judge
hearing
to
go
through
and
the
comments
that
will
come
from
the
county
agencies.
We
will
address
all
those
comments
and
we
would
hope
that
you
would
make
any
approval
that
you
would
have
today
to
allow
us
to
go
forward,
be
subject
to
resolving
and
complying
with
those
comments
from
the
agencies.
K
We're
happy
to
do
that
and
then,
after,
if
we're
able
to
get
through
the
zoning
commissioner's
hearing
or
the
administrative
law
judge
hearing,
then
we'll
have
to
start
submitting
development
plans
into
the
county
for
review,
so
we're
very
early
on
in
this
stage
of
this
process.
I
apologize
for
the
conceptual
nature
of
this,
but
it's
still
an
ongoing
process
that
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
yet
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
if
I've
missed
anything
or
left
you
with
a
question,
I'm
happy
to
answer
it.
B
K
Process
excellent
question
I'll
be
happy
to
try
to
answer
that
because
I
I've
been
involved
in
in
the
county
zoning
business
for
over
30
years,
and
I
was
unaware
that
in
the
mr
zone,
that
this
is
even
a
step
in
the
process.
Mr
halpko,
so
it's
a
great
question
that
you
have
and
to
be
honest
with
you,
I
didn't
know
about
it.
Till
people's
council
pete
zimmerman
called
me
on
the
phone
one
day
and
said
tim.
Don't
don't
forget
that
you've
got
to
take
this
to
the
planning
board
and
I
said
pete.
K
What
are
you
talking
about
and
he
said
yeah
take
a
look
at
that
one
provision
in
there
it
says
you're
supposed
to
go
to
the
planning
board.
I
said
wow
thank
you
for
telling
me
that
I
didn't
even
know
it
was
a
requirement,
mr
halpa,
so
you're
right.
It
is
very
unusual.
K
I
think
the
mr
zone
is
the
only
one
that
requires
this,
and
even
when
I
had
conversations
with
the
planning
office
and
mr
lafferty,
the
director,
we
were
all
kind
of
scratching
our
heads,
because
this
doesn't
come
up
all
that
often
and-
and
I
think
miss
nugent
will
tell
you
that
that
we
were
all
caught
a
little
bit
off
guard
by
this
in
the
process.
So
it's
a
very
unusual
we're
happy
to
be
here
and
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
have,
but
it
is
a
bit
conceptual
and
premature.
K
We
still
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
on
this,
so
but
but
it
is
a
requirement
and
we're
here
we're
hoping
we'll
be
allowed
to
move
along
and
we'll
have
to
make
sure
we
comply
with
the
administrative
law
judge,
hearing
and
and
and
submitting
plans
thereafter,
so
that
that's
kind
of
where
we
are-
and
it's
a
great
procedural
questions,
and
thank
you
for
that.
B
G
So
just
that
I
understand
so
are
you
seeking
first
step
approval
from
us
and
you
will
be
back
later
on
for
final
approval.
I.
K
Don't
I
don't
think
we
have
to
come
back,
mr
arry.
I
think
that
this
is
a
a
a
precondition
to
us
moving
forward
so
you're
the
first
step
in
the
process,
which
is
unusual,
as
mr
halpka
said,
it's
unusual
that
you
guys
are
going
first,
but
you
are
as
per
the
code.
The
mr
zoning
requires
us
to
stop
here
with
you
all
first
and
then
we
go
to
the
administrative
law
judge
for
a
hearing
before
the
alj,
a
public
hearing
before
the
alj.
K
So
this
will
be
our
our
first,
as
I
understand
it,
our
first
and
only
opportunity
to
come
before
the
planning
board.
H
If,
if
I
could
just
add
that
might
add,
maybe
a
little
bit
of
comfort,
you
know
we
did
assess
the
proposal
with
this
location
and
because
of
the
use
that's
being
proposed.
H
H
B
A
Real
quick,
you
know
so
I
decide
setbacks
whatever
they
are,
will
they
be
leaving?
They
look
like
some
pretty
mature
trees
on
the
perimeters?
Will
they
be
leaving
those
trees.
K
K
Those
trees
are
mature,
existing
trees
and
we
don't
own
that
land
so
that
that
will
have
to
remain
in
the
counties
right
away.
Those
trees
will
remain
there,
but
in
the
bottom
there's
a
lot
of
scrub
brush
and
and
stuff
in
the
bottom
that
we
will
be
clearing
out,
of
course,
but
but
around
the
perimeter
is
going
to
remain
even
up
at
the
intersection
of
deerfield
and
milford.
And
you
see
this
corner
up
in
here.
That'll
that'll
remain
as
well.
K
A
C
G
F
B
C
B
B
B
F
At
the
last
meeting
we
had
asked
staff
to
present
on
the
I
don't
want
to
use
the
word
viability,
but
the
total
usable
space
for
development
left
in
the
county,
the
11
000
houses.
Did
we
ever
see
a
report
on
that
11
000
units?
D
Thank
you
for
the
reminder,
mr
warren.
No,
I
I
neglected
actually
to
ask
miss
meacham
to
pull
those
numbers
and
we'll
do
that.
My
apologies.