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Dr. Gillon-Wright will discuss what inspired her to pursue the mental health field, understanding Black mental health history and racial trauma and the state of Black Mental Health today followed by questions and answers.
A
Station
with
dr
wright,
I'm
gonna
dedicate
this
to
a
special
friend
of
mine,
who
I
just
lost
the
other
day.
He
died
from
an
overdose
in
substance,
abuse
issues.
He
was
a
long-term
friend
of
mine
since
childhood,
so
I'm
having
this
conversation
with
dr
wright
means
that
much
more
to
me-
and
I
really
appreciate
her
being
here
so
in
honor
of
my
friend.
A
I
definitely
will
try
to
create
a
space
for
you
guys
to
really
get
the
just
of
black
mental
health
and
just
how
we
go
about
dealing
with
things
on
a
daily
basis,
and
I
just
want
to
say
rest
in
peace
and
my
friend
this
definitely
dedicated
to
you
and
your
family
tonight.
I
hope
some
of
them
are
able
to
join
us
and
you
know
rest
in
peace
to
jared
jones.
A
So
tonight
I
just
want
to
welcome
everybody
to
our
second
installment,
about
black
kids,
three-month
speaker,
series
for
baltimore,
county
government,
recreation
and
parks.
Our
special
guests,
a
very
special
guest
and
dear
friend
and
colleague
of
mine,
is
dr
simone,
gillan-wright
clinical
psychologist,
and
I'm
just
to
give
you
a
little
a
head
shot,
a
head
snap
of
who,
dr
wright
is.
A
Yeah,
it's
it's
really
an
honor
and
a
pleasure
to
have
you
joining
us
during
this
bright
historical
month
and,
like
I
said
this
broadcast
is
honestly
to
give
you
your
flowers
for
the
amazing
thing
that
you're
doing
in
korean
work
and
specialize
in
your
field.
So
I
just
want
to
say
you.
We
really
appreciate
you
for
being
with
us,
and
I
really
really
thank
you
for
being
here
and
giving
us
your
time
tonight.
A
B
B
I
remember
my
first
volunteer
facility
was
niles
home
for
children
in
kansas
city
and
it
is
a
residential
treatment
center
for
for
those
who
are
18
and
younger,
and
I
my
teenage
self
was
leading
a
class
for
young
women
about
body
image.
Self-Esteem
loving
themselves
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
what
I
realized
is
that
I
served
as
a
model
for
them.
B
That
was
part
of
their
exposure,
so
mr
edward
said
last
week
that
he
thrived
when
he
was
exposed
to
things
that
he
didn't
even
know,
existed
and
so
being
exposed
to
other
opportunities.
Other
people,
also
people
that
look
like
you
are
in,
are
in
your
same
age
range.
That
was
part
of
my
experience
and
that's
how
community
service
became
my
passion.
B
A
So
more
so
precinct
pre-teens
than
teenagers
so
and
and
finding
that
passion
you
know
it
sounds
like
you
had
an
incredible
upbringing.
Very
strong
women
and
intellectual
women
will
honestly
raise
you
in
a
ways
for
you
to
see
things,
and
I
like
that.
You
see
them
now
from
the
time
that
you
were
a
child
to
where
you
are
right.
Now
what
what
continue
that
contained
for
you
to
have
that
passion
and
that
drive
to
push
yourself
to
pursue
this
as
a
career
or
even
as
an
educational
experience.
B
B
A
Okay,
I'm
kind
of
familiar.
I
spent
some
time
in
my
athletic
career
in
the
kansas
area
and
I
was
in
they
called
it
el
dorado.
I
mean
they
called
the
el
dorado.
I
called
it
el
dorado
kansas,
which
is
40
minutes
away
from
wichita,
so
I'm
kind
of
familiar
with
you
know.
I
have
a
lot
of
friends
from
the
kansas
city
area,
johnson,
county
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
I'm
I'm
pretty
familiar
with
how
you
know
the
setup
is
in
the
kansas
area.
B
B
Yes,
so
my
high
school
counselor
said
she
said
you
should
probably
apply
to
other
schools
besides
hbcus
and
didn't
listen
to
that.
I
applied
to
all
hbcus
and
I
attended.
The
illustrious
howard
university
and
hbcus
were
important
in
my
family.
My
mother
went
to
hbcus,
my
aunts
and
uncles
went
to
hbcus
and
it
was
a
time
where
it's
a
close-knit
community.
You
don't
feel
like
a
number,
but
you
also
have
academic
excellence.
B
You
have
social
impacts
and
then
you
wake
up
every
day
and
you
celebrate
black
history
every
single
day,
and
so
it
was
definitely
a
one
of
a
kind
experience.
I
actually
went
to
howard
as
a
biology
major
and
I
I
ended
up
switching
my
major
to
psychology,
because
chemistry
wasn't
my
thing
so
right
before
by
biology
class,
there
was
a
psychology
class,
so
I
would
go
early
sit
in
the
back
of
the
class
and
listen
and
also
one
of
my
friends
was
a
psychology
major.
B
B
A
B
A
Shout
out
the
real
hu,
an
illustrious
historical,
historical,
black
college
and
university
for
those
who
may
not
know
what
hbcu
stand
for
in
washington
dc
and
as
you're
making
these
it
seems.
Like
you
know,
from
from
the
beginning,
I
mean
you're
extremely
intelligent.
You
know
you
go
from
biology
to
psychology
and
that
transition
in
itself
is
something
that
you
know.
A
lot
of
people
can't
take
the
leap
of
faith
to
make.
So
as
you're
you
know
making
that
next
transition
you're
in
school
you're
enjoying
yourself.
B
So
I
was
able
to
interact
with
states
attorneys
defense,
attorneys,
judges,
marshals,
defendants
and
their
families,
and
my
most
rewarding
experiences
was
talking
to
defendants
and
their
families,
and
so
in
my
particular
courtroom
after
you
were
arraigned,
you
had
to
come
through
my
courtroom,
so
I
saw
a
number
of
repeat
offenders,
so
I
just
started
talking
to
them.
I
started
talking
to
them
about
their
lives,
their
histories,
why
it
was
a
revolving
why
the
justice
system
was
a
revolving
door
for
them.
B
I
started
to
get
to
know
the
families,
because
I
would
see
them
often
and
that's
when
I
decided
I
wanted
to
do
the
psychology
of
law.
I
wanted
to
work
with
people
who
had
committed
crimes
but
also
have
some
form
of
mental
illness.
Because
a
lot
of
the
youth
that
I
talked
to
and
adults,
there
was
something
that
they
were
missing,
whether
it
be
their
parents
were
in
the
system,
whether
it
be
education,
whether
they
didn't
know
how
to
deal
with
the
trauma
and
stress
of
what
was
going
on
in
their
lives.
A
Oh
wow,
so
it
seems
to
me
like
from
from
your
childhood,
like
your
parents
and
your
grandparents,
just
instilled
like
an
empathy
factor
in
you
that
just
stuck
because
you
know
getting
to
know
people
behind
the
stories,
regardless
of
circumstance,
is
something
that
is
extremely
special.
In
my
opinion,
especially,
you
know
working
in
a
field
that
we
work
in
when
we
have
to
work
with
people
on
a
daily
basis
that
come
from
low
income.
A
Housing
or
you
know,
private
situations
is
looking
past
those
judgment
factors
and
being
able
to
see
the
person
within
the
person
and,
honestly,
I
have
a
great
deal
of
respect
for
what
you
do
so
hearing
about
your
passion
and
seeing
the
growth,
and
you
know
where
you
came
from
and
how
you
know
you
became
such
this
great
person
and
this
great
doctor
that
we
have
like
it's
honestly,
a
blessing
to
hear
so
we
having
a
battle
in
chat
right
now
about
what
is
the
real
h,
the
real
hu.
So
I'm
gonna
leave
that.
A
A
Can
you
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
that
experience,
because
that
that's
powerful
you
know
dc
is
one
of
the
most
strongest
african-american.
You
know,
cities
in
in
the
nation
and
to
be
on
a
top
30
under
30
list
is
something
that's
extremely
special.
You
know
I
grew
up
in
baltimore.
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
dc
and
I
know
how
big
that
is.
So.
Can
you
just
elaborate
on
that
experience
for
us.
B
Yes,
so
that
was
a
crazy
experience.
It
happened
to
be
within
the
same
time
frame
that
you
actually
match
for
lack
of
a
better
term
for
residency.
Basically,
and
so
one
day
my
phone
just
started
blowing
up
and
people
kept
sending
me
the
article
people
told
me
they
heard
my
name
mentioned
on
the
radio.
A
B
A
Wow,
that's
that's,
that's
truly
awesome,
and-
and
it
goes
back
to
like
I'm
glad
that
you
were
able
to
join
us
last
week
when
we
spoke
to
darrell
about
on
the
many
accomplished
that
he
had
so
it
just
sounds
like
he
said
that
last
week,
that
nascar
was
that
it
factored
for
him
for
the
many
many
accounts
that
he
had
in
his
life
was.
That
moment
was
that
your
moment
where
you
like
lily,
was
like
okay,
I
arrived
like
my
respect.
You
know
I
mean
my
hard
work
has
paid
off.
B
A
I'm
great
to
hear
so
as
we
move
on
and
continue
with
our
conversation,
we're
gonna
get
into
a
little
bit
of
this
understanding.
You
know
black
mental
health
in
the
history
of
it,
history
of
black
mental
health,
racial
trauma
and
things
of
that
nature.
You've
dealt
with
it.
You
spoke
a
little
about
a
little
bit
about
it
as
we
let
up
to
this
point.
So
I'm
just
going
to
ask
a
few
questions.
A
It's
basically
that,
honestly,
you
know
as
a
black
man
and
and
and
I
have
a
lot
of
black
friends
who
were
extremely
excited
about
this.
This
topic.
They
they
text
me
ask
her
this
we're
going
to
turn
in
see,
see.
If
she
knows
about
this,
you
know
they
are
afraid
of
therapy.
Should
I
be
afraid
of
therapy.
It
was
just
so
many
questions
when
you
know
I
promoted
this
conversation,
it's
like
everybody.
You
know
it
is
it's
an
open.
It's
an
open
book
now.
You
know.
A
Mental
health
is
something
that
we
all
are
talking
about.
It's
in
the
news.
You
know
celebrities,
you
know
friends,
family
they're,
opening
up
about
it,
so
it
was
just
a
lot
of
interest
in
what
you
had
to
say
and
a
lot
of
people
want
to
hear
what
you
have
to
say
in
regards
to
the
topic,
and
just
knowing
that
you
are,
you
know
a
black
woman
in
a
field.
They
know
you
know,
I
mean
for
a
lot
of
people.
A
They
want
to
see
people
that
look
like
them
and
at
times
that
can
be
hard
to
find,
especially,
you
know,
the
numbers
are
kind
of
low
when
it
comes
to
african-american,
therapists
and
psychologists
is
sometimes
it
can
be
hard
to
find
so
I'll
just
start.
Just
by
asking
like
we
talked
about
your
inspirations,
where
do
you
feel
like
right
now
that
you
know
black
mental
health,
the
state
of
black
mental
health
history?
Where
is
it
right
now,
like
the
state
of
black
mental
health.
B
So
I
think
that
with
the
pandemic
and
with
a
significant
amount
of
racial
trauma,
intention
and
things
that
we
have
endured
due
to
social
media,
I
think
that
black
mental
health
is
definite
definitely
becoming
more
of
a
spotlight
mental
health
in
general,
but
particularly
black
mental
health.
When
it
comes
to
black
males.
A
B
It
challenges
their
pride,
it
challenges,
challenges
traditional
roles
and
also
it
messes
with
their
identity,
to
the
point
where
they
may
be
seen
as
weak
if
they
reach
out
for
mental
health
services,
and
I
I'm
sure,
you're
aware
of
this
blackmail,
culture
teaches
our
males
that
you
can't
emote,
you
have
to
be
strong,
you
can't
cry,
you
cannot
express
anything.
So
what
happens?
B
Is
they
internalize
that
anger
and
when
and
when
that
happens,
they
internalize
it,
and
then
it
comes
out
as
anger
and
when
that
happens,
then
we
have
a
problem
on
our
hands,
and
so
what
I
will
tell
people
is
that
the
old
school
way
of
black
families
and
mental
health
is
very
hush-hush.
Mental
health
used
to
be
a
very
taboo
topic.
It
was
very
much.
We
don't
tell
our
problems
outside
of
this
house.
We
don't
talk
to
anyone
about
our
issues
to
jesus
pray
to
jesus
eat.
B
Your
greens
take
your
vitamins
and
you'll
be
fine,
but
I'm
here
to
say
that
jesus
and
therapy
our
thing,
so
we
can
definitely
do
both.
We
can
pray,
we
can
go
to
therapy
and
the
fact
is
it's:
okay
to
not
be
okay,
it's
okay,
to
reach
out
when
you
need
assistance,
and
maybe
you
need
someone
to
help
you
who
has
a
little
bit
more
expertise
in
what
you're
going
through.
A
Right
so
just
to
speak
on
that
as
a
black
man-
and
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
black
men
in
the
chat
and
that
are
online.
You
know
a
lot
of
us
and
I
can
speak
on
this
because
a
lot
of
us
grew
up
in
similar
household.
A
lot
of
my
friends,
I'm
blessed
enough
that
I've
done
I've
been
well
traveled.
I
lived
in
you,
know
the
deep
south
in
a
bible
belt.
A
I
was
born
and
raised
on
the
east
coast,
I've
you
know
traveled
to
the
west
coast
and
I
spent
time
in
the
midwest.
So
I
can
honestly
say
that
you
know
in
every
part
of
the
country.
Things
are
different.
You
know.
Normally
you
know
all
the
urban
cities
and
stuff
they
kind
of
experience
the
same
type
of
trauma
but-
and
you
know
coming
from
the
east
coast
of
things
and
it's
more
like
a
rough
type
of
thing.
A
In
my
opinion
and
moving
to
the
midwest
and
down
south,
where
you
know
you
see
guys
that
are
open
with
their
faith,
you
see
guys
that,
are,
you
know,
publicly
praying
and
things
of
that
nature
where
I'm
not
used
to
you
know
abandoning
the
household
where,
like
you
said,
you
know
everything
it
stays
in
this
house.
It
don't
leave
this
house
where,
as
a
child,
you
can
literally
you
know
you
can
get
a
spanking
or
a
weapon
for
speaking
about
family
issues
or
business.
A
But
you
know
these
family
fish,
business
or
issues
could
be
affecting
you
mentally,
and
we're
told
not
to
express
these
things
from
a
young
child.
I
mean
from
other
young
child.
You
see
it
daily.
I
was
blessed
enough
to
work
with.
You
know,
kids,
in
a
therapeutic
environment
where
I
work
with.
You,
know,
psychologists
and
therapists
such
as
yourself
that
helped
me
reevaluate
my
own
life
and
then
apply
it
to
my
family
issues,
and
you
know
my
trauma
as
a
child.
A
A
So
as
we
continue
to
push
this
topic-
and
you
know
talk
about
black
mental
health,
it's
honestly
so
refreshing
to
see
your
face
as
yourself.
You
know
pushing
it,
pushing
it
and
leading
away-
and
you
know
it's
it's
a
breath
of
fresh
air
just
to
see
but,
like
you
said,
we
gotta
continue
to
push
the
topic
and
push
the
issue
when
it
comes
to
black
mental
health
and
get
rid
of
all
those
old
stereotypes
and
older
ways.
But
you
know
how
do
we
do
that.
B
And
so
I
say
that
to
say
there
are
a
limited
amount
of
resources,
but
also
it's
just
finding
the
one
who
works
for
you,
and
so
there
are
a
significant
amount
of
websites
and
resources
that
you
can
look
online,
for
there
are
significant
amount
of
therapists
on
social
media
and
I'm
happy
to
help
people
find
therapists
in
their
area
and
also
recognizing
that
therapy
is
not
always
going
to
be
comfortable.
There
are
going
to
be
times
when
you
leave
and
you
do
not
like
your
therapist.
B
There
are
going
to
be
times
when
you
have
sessions
and
there's
levity
to
it.
There's
joy,
there's
humor,
but
there's
also
times
where
you,
where
you
will
dig
very
deep
and
you
will
go
to
places
that
you
didn't
even
know
existed
so
recognizing
that
there
is
truly
a
spectrum
for
therapy
and
allowing
yourself
to
be
vulnerable
to
grow
and
to
realize
that
you
have
an
end
goal
as
well.
A
Wow,
I
really
appreciate
your
words
and
I
always
say
this
to
my
friends,
because
you
know
a
lot
of
times
like,
like
you
said
like
we're
as
black
men.
You
know.
Sometimes
it
can
be.
You
know
weight
on
your
shoulders
where
we
have.
We
have
no
choice
but
to
be
strong.
It's
like
and-
and
I
honestly
feel,
that
it
goes
back
to
slavery
days.
Where
you
know,
I
mean
any
sign
of
weakness.
A
A
It
was
punitive
punishment
where
you
know
it's
a
hand
getting
you
getting
a
spanking
you're
getting
smacked
in
the
face,
you're
getting
a
belt
you're,
getting
a
switch
where,
as
an
adult,
you
realize
you
know
when
you've
been
through
therapy
session
and
you
you've,
you
know
grown
mentally.
You
see
that
that
trauma
causes
more
trauma,
it
causes
years
and
years
of
trauma
and
it
takes
years
to
deal
with.
So
as
we
grow
older
and
you
make
these
recommendations,
what
about
the
conversation
with
the
friends.
B
Or
even
conversations
with
your
parents
right
right,
so
I
think
it
takes
some
time
for
you
to
figure
out
what
therapy
means
for
you,
how
you're
discovering
it
and
how
you're
processing
and
exploring
things
and
also
so,
for
example,
it
has
taken
me
a
significant
amount
of
time
me
as
a
psychologist.
It
has
taken
me
a
significant
amount
of
time
to
get
two
very
close
people
to
me
into
therapy,
and
but
what
you
have
to
real.
B
What
I
had
to
realize
is
that
they
have
to
want
it
for
themselves,
and
even
though
I
can
have
these
conversations
and
speak
to
them
about
the
benefits,
then,
when
they're
ready
that's
when
they
decide
to
act,
but
also
it's
about
telling
people,
I
think
you
could
really
benefit
from
therapy.
I
think
that
you
could
really
benefit
from
talking
to
someone
who's,
unbiased
someone
that
supports
you,
someone
that
will
help
you
help
you
just
explore
what
you're
going
through
and
also
letting
them
know
like
something
something
has
changed
about
you.
B
I
can
tell
maybe
that
you're
a
bit
sad.
I
can
tell
that
you're
going
through
something
but
recognizing
those
things
and
pointing
them
out
to
them
and
just
being
like,
I'm
just
trying
to
tell
you
that
I
love
you
and
I
see
that
something
has
changed.
Or
I
recognize
that
you're
going
through
something,
and
I
want
to
be
able
to
support
you
so
having
those
very
open,
vulnerable
conversations,
but
also
pointing
them
out.
A
Right
and
I
I
carry
myself
and
I'm
speaking
just
because
before
we
get
into
the
chat-
and
I
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
questions
and
a
lot
of
statements
in
there,
like
I
said
like,
I
was
extremely
excited
about
this
topic.
You
know,
and
it's
like
I've
always
said
you
have
to
be.
The
blunt
friend
like
you
cannot
be
afraid
to
be
the
blunt
friend
to
your
strong
friends,
because
your
strong
friend
is
normally
that
person
who's
going
to
tell
you,
hey
man,
you're
doing
this
wrong.
A
Don't
do
this,
but
when
it's
time
to
challenge
the
strong
friend,
it's
like
you
have
to
be
able
to
do
the
same
and
vice
versa,
and
I
feel
like,
as
we
continue
to
build
these
type
of
relationships.
We
have
to
be
honest
with
one
another.
What
is
your
spouse,
whether
it's
your
mom,
your
dad,
your
brothers?
You
have
to
be
able
to
tell
the
harsh
truth,
because
if
you
don't
tell
the
harsh
truth,
I
don't
think
that
we
can
even
get
make
the
steps
forward
to
try
to.
A
You
know
reach
out
to
a
therapist,
or
you
know,
take
that
next
step
because,
like
you
said
when
you
start
recommending,
you
know
thing
that
you
see
as
a
friend
that's
a
real
friend
and
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
the
age
of
social
media,
they
just
want,
they
want
the
likes.
They
want
the
the
feel
good
moments.
They
don't
want
to
deal
with
that.
You
know
historical
trauma
that
they
may
be
facing
and
it's
hidden
they're
masking
it.
You
know
behind
you,
know,
beauty,
the
perfect
picture,
the
perfect
video.
A
The
perfect
family,
where
behind
closed
doors,
it
may
not
look
that
way,
and
so
just
taking
your
advice,
you
know
I
will
continue
to
be
the
strong
and
a
blunt
friend,
and
I
will
also
continue
to
be
the
friend
that
reaches
out
and
check
on
my
strong
friends
exactly
right.
So
in
your
career
right
now.
What
is
like
your
current
state
like
what?
What
are
you
working
with?
Who
are
you
working
with
and
how?
How
is
that?
Going.
B
So,
like
I
said,
forensics,
I'm
a
forensic
and
clinical
psychologist,
so
I
do
a
couple
different
things
so
for
forensics
I
work
with
I
used
to
work
at
a
maximum
security
psychiatric
hospital
and
my
patients.
There
were
people
who
committed
crime
so
first
degree
murders,
violent
offenders,
sexual
offenders,
any
type
of
violent,
heinous,
often
highly
publicized
crime.
Those
were
the
people
that
I
saw.
I
did
evaluations,
I
did
therapy.
B
I
did
individual
therapy
and
I
did
group
therapy
currently
I'm
doing
some
of
that
on
the
side
and
then
I'm
also
working
with
veterans,
and
so
what
we're
talking
about
about
that
racial
trauma
that
racial
history
as
it
relates
to
mental
health?
What
I
see
is
that
black
males,
older
black
males
by
the
time
they
get
to
me,
because
military
culture
teaches
you
not
to
emote
black
culture,
teaches
you
not
to
emote
your
own
identity.
As
a
male
teaches
you
that
you
have
to
be
strong,
you
can't
be
weak.
B
You
can't
your
pride
can't
be
threatened
all
of
these
stereotypes
and
what
I
see
by
the
time
they
come.
They
come
to
me.
They
want
to
talk
about
the
racial
trauma.
Free
the
military
in
the
military
after
the
military
and
even
for
the
guys
that
are
a
little
bit
younger.
They
still
want
to
talk
about
the
racial
trauma,
whether.
A
B
B
B
But
more
so
they
just
feel
more
comfortable.
They
feel
like
they
can
be
vulnerable.
They
can
talk
about
some
things
and
I'm
like
oh
yeah
like
the
black
mom
or
whatever
it
may
be
right,
and
so
it's
those
type
of
relationship,
differences
that
really
make
a
difference
in
how
you
achieve
your
goals
as
a
patient.
A
B
So
I
have
learned
at
the
courthouse
because
I
worked
in
the
courtroom.
I
had
to
learn
how
to
regulate
my
emotions.
When
I
first
got
there
hearing
seeing
defendants
seeing
victims
if
they
were
alive,
seeing
their
families,
it
was
a
lot
emotionally.
So
I
had
to
figure
out
how
to
regulate
my
emotions,
and
then
I
also
had
to
figure
out
how
to
turn
work
off
when
I
left
work
and
how
to
turn
work
on
when
I
came
into
work.
So
especially
when
I
went
into
the
maximum
security
psychiatric
hospital.
B
That
was
really
key,
not
taking
work
home
with
me
and
also
therapists
need
therapy
too.
So
I,
as
a
psychologist,
I'm
in
therapy,
everybody
has
their
own
stuff.
Everybody
is
working
on
themselves
and
it's
nothing
to
be
ashamed
of.
It's
okay
to
not
be
okay,
but
the
fact
that
you're
trying
and
that
you're
consistent
with
your
efforts
and
you're,
seeing
a
difference
in
yourself.
That's
what's
important.
A
Okay,
so
you
know
I
work
in
a
very
diverse
atmosphere.
I
love
all
my
colleagues,
I
love
the
different
backgrounds
and
ethnicities
that
I
see
every
day
on
a
daily
basis.
How
do
we
you
know,
grasp
and
and
pull
out
friends-
and
you
know
our
supporters
that
may
or
may
not
look
like
us
or
you
know,
have
the
same
background
as
us.
How
do
we
pull
them
in
to
get
them
to
understand
a
little
bit
more
about?
You
know
the
history
of
being.
A
You
know
black
in
america
and
dealing
with
a
lot
of
these
mental
traumas,
because
some
of
these
traumas
may
play
out
in
the
workplace
or
in
a
personal
space
where
we
may
be
on
two
different
sides
of
the
fence.
How
do
we
have
that
conversation
where
we
can
bring
in
our
allies?
That
may
or
may
not
look
like
us
and
you
know,
get
their
support
as
well
as
understanding
of
what
we
may
be
going
through.
B
And
that's
another
one
of
those
real
conversations
that
you
have
to
have.
I
think
it's
a
very
individual
conversation
pulling
them
to
the
side
asking
them.
If
you
can
have
a
conversation
about,
like
you,
said
the
racial
trauma,
and
maybe
there
are
some
things
that
you
two
don't
align
on,
but
because
your
lived
experiences
are
very
different,
then
you
all
don't
have
an
understanding
of
where
each
of
you
is
coming
from.
B
So
taking
that
time
to
cultivate
that
relationship
to
share
your
lived
experience
to
allow
them
to
share
their
experience
as
well
and
to
also
be
receptive
to
whatever
they
are
saying
and
allow
yourself
to
be
vulnerable,
I
think
all
of
those
components
right
there
will
allow
you
to
understand
each
other
better,
but
also
it
may
not
be
you
all
may
not
just
be
a
good
fit,
and
so
I
think
you
have
to
see
both
sides
of
it
and
allow
yourself
to
go
in
whatever
direction
might
feel
good.
In
that
moment,.
A
If
I
didn't
care,
I
wouldn't
you
know,
say
too
much
so
you
know,
I
know
like
having
those
uncomfortable
conversations
with
friends
that
don't
look
like
you
is
something
where
I've
definitely
had
many
days
of
breakthroughs
more
so
than
losses
in
that
circumstance.
So
I
definitely
hear
what
you
what
you're
saying
about
that.
B
A
A
Let
you
answer
that
question,
but,
like
I'm
extremely
excited,
when
you
hear
guys
that
have
a
platform
such
as
like
charlemagne,
the
god
who
continues
to
push
the
narrative
with
with
one
of
the
biggest
platforms
in
media
right
now,
where
he's
talking
about
black
mental
health
and
and
well-being
and
emotional
health,
is
just
something
that
you
know
is
creating
a
space
for
this
topic
to
keep
going.
So
just
to
get
into
my
question:
where
do
you
see
the
future
of
black
mental
and
emotional
health
like?
B
In
dealing
with
your
issues,
there
are
other
people
who
are
dealing
with
the
same
thing,
but
because
again
of
that
blackmail,
stereotype
or
that
black
family
stereotype
those
traditional
roles,
then
we
don't
know
that
our
friend,
our
strong
friend
is
struggling
with
some
things
so
being
able
to
open
ourselves
up
and
to
look
people
in
the
eye
and
say
hey.
I
really
think
you
could
use
some
help
and
also
here
are
some
resources
right.
I
think.
B
Sometimes,
when
we
present
things
to
people,
we
don't
offer
them
resources
or
assistance
to
do
that,
and
then
they
don't
feel
supported
and
so
asking
them.
How
can
I
support
you
in
this
endeavor?
How
can
I
support
you
in
getting
the
help
that
you
need
and
realizing
that
it's
okay
to
not
be
okay,
so
I'm
hoping
that
black
mental
health
becomes
more
of
a
spotlight
but
positively
we're
supporting
each
other,
we're
loving
each
other
and
we're
also
creating
networks
for
each
other,
where
we
can
be
vulnerable?
Okay,.
A
And
so
is
it
any
like
type
of
literature
or
podcast,
or
anything
that
you
know
for
the
for
any
age
group
that
we
could
like
look
into
and
read,
or
you
know,
go
and
watch
just
a
just
to
follow
up
on
this
conversation,
because
I'm
pretty
sure
that
you
know
people
are
definitely
feeling
what
we're
saying
and
so
like,
as
we
continue
to
try
to
take
these
next
steps
and
just
to
you
know,
find
that
vulnerable
place
where
we
can,
you
know
reach
out
and
search
for
you
know.
I
mean
that
air.
A
B
We
haven't
accepted
and
we
haven't
forgiven,
whether
it
be
forgiving
ourselves
or
forgiving
other
people,
and
so
I
think,
that's
significant,
especially
as
it
relates
to
trauma
the
people
that
have
wronged
us.
The
people
that
have
impacted
us
so
negatively
that
we
hold
on
to
it
for
years,
and
then
we
don't
realize
how
it's
impacting
us
and
podcasts
I'll
have
to
get
you
the
name
of
those
two.
A
Okay,
excellent
excellent,
so
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
questions,
so
I'm
gonna
just
get
into
some
of
these
questions
and
like
we'll
go
back
and
forth,
but
I'm
gonna
dive
into
the
chat
to
see.
If
you
know
anybody,
you
know,
that's
in
the
chat
have
any
questions
for
miss
miss
doc.
I
mean
dr
simone
right.
Okay,
so
we'll
get
in.
B
A
Ask
it's
not
okay
to
be
okay,
andre!
I
lost
one
of
my
best
friends
to
suicide
due
to
mental
health
challenge
challenges
rest
in
peace
today
hurt
people,
hurt
people
jamie
of
the
four
percent
of
african-american
female
psychologists
and
lower
numbers
among
men.
How
many
obtained
their
higher
degrees
received
at
an
hbu
hbcu?
A
B
That's
a
great
question,
so
traditionally
psychology
was
actually
a
white
male
entity,
and
so
that,
like
I
said
that
kind
of
old
school
way
of
thinking
it
was
definitely
white
males.
I
think
that
women
are
definitely
becoming
more
psychologists,
but
again
that
white
male
think
about
privilege
and
power
and
all
the
opportunities
that
they
have.
So
traditionally,
yes,
white,
males,
but
also
women
are
definitely
coming
up
soon.
Okay,.
A
A
Our
generation
is
laying
the
foundation
for
the
people
that
are
coming
behind
us
just
to
slow
down
that
trauma,
and
I
think
that
we're
doing
a
great
job
like
you
know
like
I
said
the
fact
that
we
even
having
this
conversation
right
now
is
is
affecting
you
know
someone
in
some
way
shape
or
form
so
being
able
to
speak
about.
It
is
the
first
step,
but
how
do
we
really?
You
know,
lay
down
that
foundation
to
stop
these
generational
curses
of
trauma
like
how
do
we?
A
I
know
you
said
a
lot,
but
I
know
that
that's
most
likely.
I
know
40
and
50
year
old
men
that
are
still
holding
brothers
and
still
holding
pain
to
this
day.
You
know,
and
they
still
can't
have
a
common
open
conversation
with
their
parents.
So
just
keep
having
these
conversations,
you
know,
keep
bringing
it
to
the
forefront,
don't
let
don't
hide
it.
B
B
But
it's
the
continuing
me
allowing
them
to
have
the
space,
whether
it's
quiet,
whether
we're
talking
but
more
so
they're
feeling
safe,
so
creating
that
safe
space
allowing
people
to
be
vulnerable
but
also
continue
to
challenge
them
continue
to
ask
continue
to,
especially,
I
think
too,
in
the
black
community
when
it
comes
to
our
parents
and
grandparents,
things
were
just
done
and
we
didn't
ask
why?
Because
we
we
knew
not
to
ask
why
right,
but
I
think
now
we're
asking
why
we're
asking.
A
You
know
we
were
without
google,
you
know
a
lot
of,
I
mean
you
couldn't
you
know
now
the
kids
can
break
down
everything.
I'm
gonna
go
speak
to
my
therapist.
You
know,
I
know
like
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
law,
but
I
know
that
I
think
in
certain
schools
you
can
talk
to
a
therapist
without
speaking
to
your
parent,
about
it
right
right.
A
So
that's
a
whole
new
ballgame,
like
you
said,
like
we're
literally
getting
out
of
that
space,
where
you
can't
keep
nothing
in
the
home
and
you
know,
kids
can
literally
go
speak
to
a
therapist
without
permission
and
and
it's
actually
a
law.
So
I
definitely
understand
like
pushing
the
envelope
and
trying
to
have
those
tough
conversations,
but
just
being
just
playing
devil's
advocate
real
quick.
You
know
you
have
those
older
parents
and
I'm
not.
If
I
don't.
A
If
I'm
gonna
go,
you
know,
I'm
a
diabetes
secrets,
type
of
grandparents,
where
you're
not
gonna,
get
it
out
of
me.
You're
gonna
get
put
out
of
my
house,
you're
gonna
get
put
out
of
my
kitchen.
If
you
keep
talking
about
it,
I'm
not
gonna
speak
about
what
you're
asking
me
so
just
playing
devil's
advocate,
keep
pressing
the
issue.
B
B
Whatever
they've
gone
through,
they've
decided
to
not
express
it,
and
even
though
you
want
better
for
them,
you
want
them
to
be
able
to
emote
to
express
to
kind
of
lay
their
burdens
down.
They
have
to
want
it
for
themselves.
So
at
some
point
you
have
to
say
I've
done
all
that
I
can
do
I'm
not
going
to
say
anything
anymore.
B
A
B
Oh,
yes,
that's
a
great
question.
You
definitely
have
to
talk
about
it
and
I
would
encourage
you
what
people
don't
understand
about
trauma
is
that
you
can't
talk
about
it
just
one
time.
It's
a
repeated
conversation
because
just
think
about
when
you
are
trying
to
learn
how
to
do
something
new,
you
do
it
step
by
step,
but
you
do
it
repeatedly
over
time.
B
So
it's
the
same
thing
with
trauma:
you're
processing,
you're,
exploring
you're
going
through
those
emotions,
you're
also
allowing
yourself
to
sit
with
those
emotions,
whereas
previously,
when
you
think
about
trauma,
then
you
may
avoid
it.
You
may
avoid
the
reactions
you
may
avoid
crying.
You
may
get
angry,
but
you
just
push
it
off,
but
in
therapy
broaching
the
topic
being
able
to
actually
say
I
really
feel
hurt.
I
really
feel
sad.
B
A
So
say
we
have
a
person
that
wants
to
take.
You
know
baby
steps
before
actually
going
out
and
seeking
a
therapist
like
what
are
your
recommendations
just
for
trying
to
find
balance
within
you
know
daily
life
daily
stress,
just
trying
to
mentally
refocus
and
re-center
yourself
without
actually
going
to
get
help
or
seeking
help.
First,
you
may
not
be
at
that
stage
where
you're
ready
to
go
see
a
therapist.
How
do
I
take
baby
steps
to
just
try
to
center
myself
and
try
to
get
back
to
who?
I
truly
am?
B
Great
question,
so
I
recommend
mindfulness
and
mindfulness
allows
you
to
be
present
in
the
moment
without
judging
your
thoughts,
so
you're,
focusing
on
whatever
is
happening
for
you
in
that
moment,
whether
it's
in
your
body,
it
may
be
something
that
you're
listening
to,
but
you're
focusing
on
just
that
moment.
Also
there
are
other
things
like
guided
imagery
or
visualization.
B
B
There
are
a
ton
of
resources
out
there,
but
if
you
want
to
just
start
with
yourself
first
and
not
necessarily
seek
a
therapist
but
you're
having
difficulty
throughout
your
day,
refocusing
yourself
or
you're
having
difficulty,
there's
a
thought
that
comes
up
and
it
kind
of
knocks
you
off
your
game.
Mindfulness,
guided
imagery
and
visualization.
A
A
I'll
go
to
the
next
question
and
come
back
to
that.
Do
you
do
you
have
any
suggestions?
This
is
from
michelle.
Michelle
has
do
you
have
any
suggestions
on
how
to
initiate
conversation
with
your
parents,
family
about
going
to
therapy
or
addressing
trauma
within
the
family?
I
think
we
spoke
about
it
a
little
bit,
but
if
you
want
to
laugh
a
little
bit
more.
B
Yeah,
it's
a
repeated
conversation
and
you
have
to
be
gentle
as
well,
because
there
you
might
be
met
with
a
lot
of
resistance
or
a
lot
of
pushback,
but
I
think
being
gentle
recognizing
that
they
did
go
through
something
or
they
are
going
through-
something
that
they're
not
willing
to
admit
yet
and
they're
not
willing
to
address
it.
So
slow,
moving
train
and
then
at
some
point.
I
think
it
also
is
important
for
you
to
point
out
how
you
see
them
point
out
how
they're
presenting
so
say
asking
them.
Are
you
sad
asking
them?
B
Are
you
depressed
or
how
are
you
feeling
and
then
saying?
Well,
this
is
how
I
see
the
things
that
have
changed
in
you.
This
is
how
I
see
some
of
the
things
that
have
impacted
you
and
just
putting
it
on
the
table.
Some
of
the
conversations
will
be
uncomfortable.
Some
of
them
will
say,
get
that
cycle
bible
out
of
here,
so
you
can
be
met
with
a
lot
of
things,
but
at
some
point,
when
they
make
the
decision
for
themselves,
then
you'll
see
that
change.
A
A
B
Thank
you
for
sharing
that.
I
think
it's
important
that
you
recognize
when
you
were
running
away
from
your
secrets.
Your
mental
well-being
wasn't
well,
and
so
the
fact
that
you
became
clean,
you
made
a
choice
to
become
clean.
You
made
a
choice
to
be
vulnerable
and
to
open
up
to
your
family,
and
that
takes
a
lot,
a
lot
of
courage
and
a
lot
of
strength.
So
I
commend
you
and
thank
you
for
sharing.
A
Right
because
a
lot
of
people
feel-
and
I
feel
like
I
went
through
that
with
one
of
my
friends,
my
friend
that
I
just
lost,
I
feel,
like
the
shame
that
he
had
in
trying
to
you,
know,
see
certain
people
that
he
ran
and
he
ran
and
used
because
he
was
ashamed
for
people
to
see
him
where
you
know
if
he
had
been
able.
Just
to
you
know,
look
certain
people
in
the
eyes
and
have
that
conversation.
He
may
still
be
here
today,
but
yeah.
We
really
definitely
appreciate
you
sharing
that.
A
B
B
B
Sometimes
also,
if
you
contact
a
therapist,
you
can
say
that
you
want
to
use
insurance
and
they'll.
Ask
you
for
your
insurance
and
they
can
let
you
know
your
copay
and
how
many
sessions
you
might
retrieve,
but
again
call
for
yourself
just
to
double
check.
There
are
also
some
therapists
who
do
not
take
insurance.
So
when
you
are
looking
for
a
therapist,
you
can
ask
those
questions
to
determine
how
to
proceed.
B
B
A
A
A
You
know
I
mean
somebody
is
self-medicating
like
how
how
what
are
the
signs
that
someone
is
self-medicating
with
you
know
whether
it's
illegal
use
of
drugs
or
you
know
like
social
drinking,
but
it's
starting
to
get.
You
know
out
of
hand
type
of
drinking
like
how
do
you
recognize?
What
do
you
yeah?
How
do
you
recognize
these
signs.
B
So
when
it
comes
to
substance
abuse,
what
I
find
is
that
sometimes
people
feel
like
substance
use
is
the
only
thing
that
they
can
control
in
their
life.
Everything
else
they've
lost
control
of
and
even
though
the
substance
use
isn't
necessarily
healthy
for
them,
it's
helping
them
cope
and
they
have
control
over
how
much
they
intake.
B
They
have
control
over
just
the
fact
that
they
can
actually
intake
substances,
and
so,
when
it
comes
to
substance,
use
asking
yourself,
is
it
inhibiting
you
from
doing
your
daily
functions,
going
to
work,
taking
a
shower
doing
whatever
it
is
that
you
need
to
throughout
the
day?
Is
it
impacting
your
relationships?
B
Sometimes,
when
people
are
under
the
influence
they
become
angry,
they
start
to
yell,
they
become
uncontrollable.
So
those
are
things
to
take
note
of
also.
Are
you
putting
yourself
in
dangerous
situations?
Are
you
driving,
while
you're
under
the
influence?
Are
you
doing
things
that
might
risk
your
life
or
other
people's
life,
and
also
the
amount
of
money,
time
effort,
energy
and
money
that
you
are
spending
into
retrieving
substances?
B
Is
it
taking
away
from
your
livelihood?
Are
some
of
those
things
are
like
key
criteria
that
we
look
for
to
see
if
substances
are
impacting
you
and
also
you?
As
a
friend
saying
you
know,
I've
noticed
that
you've
been
drinking
a
lot
more
lately
and
I
want
to
just
checking
in.
Is
there
anything
going
on?
How
can
I
support
you
but
again
calling
your
friends
out
and
being
there
being
supportive
for
them,
but
also
recognizing
when
they,
when
something
changes
in
their
presentation.
A
B
A
Well,
from
baltimore
county
government,
recreation
and
parks
myself,
the
ronald
is
my
whole
team.
I
really
appreciate
you
guys
for
coming
on
your
family
and
friends
and
colleagues
that
came
and
supported
you.
We
were
so
happy
to
have
this
conversation
and
have
you
with
us,
dr
wright.
I
want
to
give
you
your
flowers
as
you
deserve
I'm
doing
black
history
month.
You
are
so
much
appreciated.
A
We
really
need
more
people
like
you,
and
I
thank
you
for
your
time
as
well
as
your
blessings
to
come
through
and
speak
to.
You
know
our
community
here
in
baltimore,
county
recreation
and
parks,
and
we
look
forward
to
seeing
a
lot
more
from
you
and
I'm
pretty
sure
we'll
be
reaching
back
out
to
everyone
that
joined
in.
I
appreciate
all
of
you
guys,
wherever
you're
listening
from
wherever
you
watch,
that
I
hope
you
guys
enjoyed
the
conversation
next
week
next
week.
A
We'll
have
miss
brenda
tucker
on
and
she
is
her
family
was
the
first
african-american
family
to
touch
down
in
hampton
virginia.
So
this
will
be
another
different
approach
to
our
speaking
series.
It'll
be
our
third
installment
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you,
everybody
that
came
on
and
I'll
see
you
next
week.
Dr
wright
have
a
great
rest
of
your
weekend
and
we
appreciate
it.