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A
Before
housekeeping,
if
I
can
introduce
myself,
I
I
know
some
people,
I'm
camilla
camilla
proctor,
one
of
the
independent
standard
assessors
and
now
that
we
rotate
the
chair.
A
Welcome
and
welcome
to
those
that
I
know
because
we've
been
here
before.
Thank
you
very
much,
okay
housekeeping
to
start
fire
evacuation
procedures
for
evening
meetings,
no
fire
alarms
scheduled
for
this
evening.
A
A
Okay.
We
can
begin
apologies
for
absence
and
substitutions.
We
have
a
number
of
apologies
this
evening.
Amanda
orchard
verity,
murakan
councillor,
howard,
sorrell,
has
also
sent
apologies
and
council
of
friar
has
resigned
as
a
chinhm
parish
councillor
and
therefore
is
no
longer
eligible
to
sit
on
the
standards
committee.
A
A
You
didn't
hear
me.
Oh
sorry,
I
do
apologize.
Okay,
no
other
apologies
or
substitutions
moving
on
to
item
two
appointment
of
the
vice
chair.
As
this
is
the
first
meeting
we
need
to
make
that
appointment.
I
would
like
to
ask
for
nominations
for
vice
chair.
Please.
A
A
C
A
B
During
this
time,
we've
considered
the
best
practice
recommendations
coming
out
of
the
report
and
assessed
our
own
practices
against
those,
and
we
have
considered
the
new
model
code
of
conduct,
which
I'm
happy
to
say,
was
finally
adopted
by
this
council
in
march
this
year.
The
missing
piece
has
always
been
the
government's
response
to
those
recommendations
in
the
report,
which
required
legislative
change.
So,
in
march
this
year
the
response
was
published
and
in
the
report
I've
set
out
the
results
of
that
response.
D
I
I
did
have
one
question:
if
I
may
recommendation
11
about
indemnifying
independent
persons,
I
couldn't
being
new
to
the
committee.
I
couldn't
see
what
basically
dean
does
about
that
at
the
moment.
B
E
Stop
coming
on,
okay.
Can
I
just
ask
that
I
know
that
we
wanted
that
the
all
the
parish
councils
and
town
councils
in
the
area
actually
adopted
the
same
code
of
conduct,
which
makes
it
much
simpler
that
we
make
sure
that
everybody's
got
the
same
in
case
there
are
complaints.
E
B
Thank
you.
I
wrote
once
the
council
had
adopted
the
code
here.
I
did
write
to
all
the
parish
councils,
giving
them
a
copy
of
it
and
asking
them
if
they
were
going
to
proposing
to
adopt
it.
They
also
offered
them
training
on
the
back
of
that,
so
hopefully
trying
to
persuade
them
to
adopt
it.
I've
only
had
seven
responses
to
say:
they've
adopted
it.
B
I
don't
think
that's
the
full
picture,
because
I
was
looking
at
some
websites
today
and
they've
obviously
have
adopted
it,
but
not
notified
me
so
either
I'll
troll
through
the
websites
or
I
will
write
to
the
the
remaining
ones
again,
just
ask
to
ask
them
what
their
position
is
on
that,
because
I
would
like
to
roll
out
and
we'll
come
back
to
it
later
on.
I
think
that
some
training
to
the
parish
councils
on
the
back
of
it.
A
Moving
on
to
item
seven,
the
complaints
update
report
again
over
to
fiona
to
introduce
this
item.
B
Thank
you,
chair,
you'll,
see.
Fortunately,
it's
been
quite
a
quiet
period
for
complaints.
Since
the
last
meeting
at
the
last
meeting,
there
were
two
existing
matters
with
two
matters
which
were
still
ongoing
and
those
have
now
been
determined
and
since
the
last
meeting
we've
received
only
two
new
complaints,
one
has
been
disposed
of,
and
there
is
one
still
ongoing
at
the
moment.
E
I
just
asked
give
them.
I
know
we
had
the
training
online,
the
other
day
for
the
borough
councillors,
and
I
was
a
bit
disappointed.
We
didn't
get
more.
I
comparatively
54
councillors
we
get
too
many,
so
obviously
people
hopefully
know
what
we're
going
to
be
doing,
but
I
think
obviously
we
did
talk
about
whether
we
moved
it
forward.
E
So
I
can't
see
when
we're
going
to
discuss
it
moving
forward
to
parishes
if
they
do
indeed
sign
up
to
do
that
work,
or
are
we
going
to
do
it
all
by
producing
an
e-learning
package
which
I
know
spoke
about
before.
B
I
think
I've
also
started
preparing
a
slide
deck
for
parish
councils,
which
is
a
much
shorter
version,
and
I
was
going
to
ask
tonight
really
whether
I
I
think
there
may
be
some
merit
to
me
offering
a
a
teams
version
of
it
some
training,
but
I
also
do
still
propose
to
produce
an
e-learning
package.
I've
I've
as
I've
prepared
the
slides
and
from
that
I
can
go
and
do
the
e-learning
package.
B
A
Thank
you,
fiona
comments
would
be
would
be
welcome.
Councillor
slatford.
F
The
right-hand
one
is
that
working
okay,
I
think,
there's
a
big
issue
with
regard
to
adopting
the
new
model
code
of
conduct.
F
I
can't
see
any
point
in
providing
training
on
the
new
model
code
of
conduct
until
we
know
who
has
adopted
it.
If
we
only
have
confirmation
that
seven
have
adopted
their
variation
of
the
model
code
of
conduct
to
then
to
try
and
provide
training
for
the
other,
35
or
so
other
councils,
I
think
there
is
that
there
is
an
issue
here
that
until
we
have
the
message
out
that
the
new
model
code
of
conduct
is
simple
enough
to
adopt
and
that
we
find
some
way
to
sell
that
solution
to
both
the
clerks
and
the
councils.
F
F
F
F
A
Yes,
we'll
get
there.
I
wanted
to
say
thank
thank
you
because
there
was
a
lot
a
lot
there
and
I
really
picked
up
on
your
thought
about
the
need
to
sell
it
first.
I
wonder
if
there
are
any
other
comments
on
whether
or
not
that
that
that
is
what
others
feel,
that
there
is
a
need
to
to
sell
the
code
before
training
or
whether
the
thoughts
are
that
there
should
be
some
general
training
to
try
and
sell
the
code,
because
you
can
look
at
it
in
a
number
of
ways.
I
just
wonder
any
thoughts.
E
I
wonder
imagine
whether
your
the
basis
open
district
town
parish
council
meeting
has
discussed
this
recently.
Obviously,
you've
now
got
two
vacancies
on
this
group
unless
you've
appointed
somebody
to
replace
me
already
and
you've
now
got
council
of
friar
being
still
down
whether
that
might
be
an
item
for
your
meeting.
I
think
still.
E
The
difficulty
of
that
is
that
people
who
attend
that
are
normally
people
who
are
quite
switched
on
and
know
what's
going
on,
it's
getting
it
to
the
wider
community
that
perhaps
don't
attend
that
or
anything
else
so
be
interesting
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
hampshire
association
to
see
how
they're
promoting
the
work
that
they're
doing
and
see.
If
they
can
give
us
some
advice
on
things,
there
is
usually
a
mailing
that
goes
to
clarks.
I
don't
know
how
many
clerks
send
it
on
to
parish
their
parish.
E
Councillors
of
you
know
updates
on
what's
happening
now,
but
it
might
be
that
it
could
be
included
in
something
information
like
that.
Obviously
this
covers
the
whole
of
hampshire,
not
just
the
base
in
stoke
area,
but
I'm
sure
colleagues,
in
other
count,
boroughs
and
district
councils
are
probably
having
similar
conversations
as
well.
A
Thank
you
any
other
thoughts
on
selling
it,
because
it
does
appear
that
that's
something
that
at
least
two
people
feel
it's
really
important
and
any
ideas
on
what
that
would
look
like.
F
Again,
I
think,
I'm
sorry
that
there's
a
query
in
my
mind
how
different
is
the
basic
stoke
of
the
parish
council
model
code
from
that
which
is
proposed
by
local
government
association
and
adopted
by
now
slcc
and
hampshire,
association
of
parish
and
town
councils?
B
So
beijing
stoke
have
adopted
the
draft
that
lga
produced.
We
haven't
changed
anything
in
it
other
than
we
we
put
in
a
paragraph
about
cabinet
members.
I
think
the
the
basing
stoke
side
of
it,
but
that
otherwise
it's
word
for
word
what
the
code
is
from
the
lga.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
So
the
first
point
is
that
the
code
of
conduct
that
is
being
proposed
to
be
adopted
by
parish
and
count
councils
is
the
bog
standard
national
one.
So,
therefore,
training
that
is
being
provided
on
the
national
one
would
be
exactly
correct
for
each
parish
council
that
does
not
I'm
going
to
be
politically
correct.
They
don't
mess
around
with
it
and
change
it
because,
as
we
pointed
out
earlier,
government
were
asked
to
make
it
mandatory
that
it
was
adopted
as
a
standard
that
has
not
been
granted.
F
F
It
is
scheduled
to
have
a
meeting
in
september,
which
will
be
the
annual
general
meeting,
which
is
normally
in
june
of
the
year.
So
the
annual
general
meeting
would
appoint
the
representatives
to
replace
joe
and
les
friar
and
to
confirm
that
linda
and
martin
remain.
As
representatives
we
recognized
at
a
previous
meeting
that
the
timing
of
the
appointments
from
the
districts
association
to
this
committee
did
not
tie
up
with
the
timings
for
the
full
council.
A
Thank
you
any
other.
Any
other
comments,
because
the
message
coming
through
is
still
the
importance
of
actually
selling
the
code.
We've
not
really
spoken
about
how,
but
that's
the
message
that
I'm
hearing
any
comments
on
what
actions
or
activities
would
would
be
most
appropriate
in
order
to
persuade.
E
E
Obviously,
everything
with
kovis,
I
know
has
changed
because
you
know
that's
just
the
way
it
is,
but
it
used
to
be
quite
useful
to
share
lots
of
information
to
the
clerk
so
that
they
could
actually
be
aware
of
what
was
happening
at
the
borough.
So
it
may
be
that
it
might
be
something
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
with
other
groups
of
people
in
the
council
to
actually
promote
the
work
that
the
brother
is
doing
with
the
chairman
of
parish
councils
as
well.
But
that's
a
thought.
F
G
F
F
The
relationship
with
the
clerks
was
through
the
clerk's
meetings.
The
clerk's
meetings
seemed
to
be
disconnected
by
the
counselor
responsible
for
engagement
with
parishes.
So
I
think
that
the
the
clerk's
meetings
for
some
reason
didn't
happen.
They
were
discontinued,
but
I
will
state
that
the
clerks
who
went
to
those
meetings
probably
will
be
the
seven
councils
that
have
adopted
the
model
code
because
it
was
a
select
group
who
could
meet
in
the
daytime
that
the
clerk's
meetings
were
daytime.
F
A
number
of
clerks
have
full-time
jobs
and
work
at
evenings,
so
there
was
a
disparity
between
those
clerks
who
were
able
to
go,
come
to
basingstoke
to
a
daytime
meeting
and
those
who
could
not
and
wanted
an
evening
meeting,
so
the
active
clerks
managed
to
get
it
to
be
a
day
meeting.
So,
therefore,
the
potential
of
having
some
of
the
part-time
or
less
professionally
qualified
clerks
to
come
to
the
day
meeting
was
a
challenge.
F
A
Thank
you
that
that's
helpful.
If
I
can
sum
up
before
we
move
on
to
look
at
other
items
in
the
work
program,
what
I
think
I've
heard
is
that
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
engage
with
the
parishes
and
we
need
to
think
about
when
training
takes
place,
but
engagement
comes
first.
However,
we
do
it.
A
F
A
Moving
on
to
look
at
other
aspects
of
the
work
programme
fiona,
can
I
ask
if
there
are
any
comments
that
you'd
like
to
make.
B
Thank
you
chair
just
to
say
that
there's
a
lack
of
items
engender
items
at
the
moment
for
the
november.
We've
done
quite
a
lot
of
the
big
pieces
of
work
over
the
last
year
in
terms
of
the
code
and
the
complaints
process.
So
I'm
looking
for
ideas
if
anybody's
got
any
suggestions
for
some
work
items
that
would
be
very
helpful
and
just
just
to
put
on
them
the
program
that
will
be
coming
to
more
recruitment,
but
that's
not
too
early
next
year.
So
if
anybody
has
any
suggestions,
I'm
all
ears.
E
I
think
I
don't
think
we
should
be
despondent.
There
aren't
too
many
things
that
we've
got
to
discuss.
I
know
because
obviously,
we've
got
the
new
code
of
conduct,
so
some
of
the
issues
that
we
raised
by
november
there
might
be
some
updates
on
some
of
those.
Anyway.
Maybe
who
knows
the
government
moves
extremely
slowly
these
days?
Unfortunately?
E
So
if,
if
there's
something
there
that
we
can
discuss
some
of
the
items
that
have
been
still
being
looked
at,
that
may
be
there.
So
I
suppose
that's
really
probably
the
most
likely
thing
and
obviously
an
update
on
where
we
are
with
the
with
the
training
would
be
useful.
By
that
time
we
might
even
have
some
thoughts
about
how
we've
managed
to
engage
with
parishes
and
for
my
colleague
here,
and
we
because
I'm
got
two
hats
on
and
I'm
also
still
the
parish
and
town
councillor.
E
It
would
appear
that
we've
taken
over
the
meeting,
but
most
of
our
complaints,
unfortunately,
are
from
the
parish
sector.
So
it
is
important
that
we
do
try
to
get
the
message
out
about
what
what
parish
and
term
councils
should
or
shouldn't
do,
and
what
the
code
of
conduct
means
for
them.
It
is
very
important
that
they
do
understand
what
what
the
code
is
all
about
and
therefore
try
and
reduce
the
number
of
complaints
that
we
have
to
deal
with.
A
Thank
you
and
know
both
of
those
points
that
perhaps
by
the
14th
of
november,
we
may
have
a
number
of
updates
with
regard
to
training
and
engagement.
A
D
John
yeah
apologies,
if
I'm
overstepping
the
mark,
but
I
mean
there's,
obviously
a
balance
between
carrot
and
stick
here.
I
presume
parish
councillors
have
some
sort
of
signing
in
a
swearing-in
process
or
some
sort
of,
and
that
surely
refers
to
a
code
of
conduct
sure.
But
if
it
doesn't,
then
maybe
I
don't
know
how
what
powers
we
have
to
change
the
swearing
in
if
it
doesn't,
but
it
should
this
stuff.
Just
strikes
me
as
mandatory.
D
B
E
Yes,
you
sign,
you
sign
a
code.
You
can't
say
that
you
agree
to
the
code
of
conduct
as
adopted
by
the
council,
but
if
your
council
hasn't
adopted
the
same
one,
that
we're
talking
about
you're,
still
adopting
a
code
of
conduct
that
may
or
may
not
have
all
the
things
in
there
just
thinking
quickly
about
some
of
the
examples
that
we
may
have
come
across,
it's
potentially
about
harassment
or
bullying,
or
things
like
that.
E
That
might
be
not
included
in
some
of
the
ones
that
have
been
adopted
previously,
and
so
it
would
be
good
to
have
something
that
encompassed
everything
that
was
the
most
modern
upstraight
one.
But
by
signing
up
as
a
counselor,
you
are
agreeing
to
their
code
of
conduct,
but
not
necessarily
to
the
same
one
as
us.
F
Sorry
excuse
me
again:
the
the
signing
in
of
councillors
is
has
much
less
weight
within
the
parish
council
than
it
does
within
the
district
council.
F
The
parish
councils-
I'm,
I
don't
know
all,
but
I
think
the
majority
do
not
provide
the
initiation
training
course
for
new
councillors.
We've
got
a
lot
of
new
councillors
who
come
along
from
the
may
elections
this
year,
but
there
is
no
standard
training
for
councillors
as
to
how
to
behave
as
a
councillor.
F
So
the
process
of
providing
training,
as
well
as
providing
compliance
with
the
code
of
conduct,
because
one
of
the
first
things
within
the
code
of
conduct
says
that
the
council
accepts
they
will
have
training
but
and
if
you
have
not
adopted
the
code
of
conduct
the
latest
one
then
you're
not
signing
up
to
say
that
the
code
of
conduct
requires
that
the
councillor
has
training
in
compliance
with
the
code
of
conduct.
So
we've
got
a
huge
number
of
holes
here.
F
We
have
missed
the
mayor's
annual
meeting
sponsored
by
the
mayor,
which
brings
together
all
of
the
parish
and
town
councils
for
several
years,
predates
covered.
That
could
be
a
means
of
making
sure
that
we
get
this
cleaner
engagement
between
the
borough
and
the
parishes.
I
can't
overestimate
oh
over
emphasize
this
point.
D
Once
again
excuse
my
naivety,
but
am
I
right
in
understanding
that
this
forum
has
some
form
of
governance
over
all
of
these
parish
and
town
councils?
It
does
not
okay,
I
was
curious
as
to
if
we
were
expected
to
be
moderating
them
in
some
shape
or
form.
Surely
we
can
mandate
the
policy,
but
obviously
not.
E
They
can't
mandate
us
at
the
borough,
but
there
should
be
some
way
of
actually
engaging
and
encouraging
people
to
all
keep
the
same
thing
and
they
are
still
supposed
to
keep
to
the
standards
that
no
longer
have
set,
and-
and
you
know
you
would
expect
that.
So
if
there
is
a
complaint,
they
are
to
accept
that
those
are
the
cases
if
they've
adopted
the
code
of
conjugate
and
they
need
to
be
aware
that
that's
what
they
are
adopting
and
but,
as
martin
said,
it's
always
dependent
on
new
councils
to
go
on
induction.
E
If
any
is
wrong,
I
believe
that
there
was
some
run
some
of
our
new
councils
at
chadli.
I
know
attended
some
of
the
training,
but
they
may
have
fallen
by
the
wayside
again.
But
again,
that
is
something
that
isn't
forced
upon
them.
They
don't
have
to
do
it.
It
isn't
mandatory.
They
can
choose
to
go
on
training
if
they
wish
to
so
again,
we've
always
got
the
same
issue.
I
mean
there's
supposed
to
be
mandatory
training
for
some
of
our
committees
here
and
obviously
people
don't
go
on
it.
E
D
D
B
So
it's
the
role
of
the
monitoring
officer
for
the
principal
authority
to
undertake
the
complaints
process
in
relation
to
the
parish,
complaints
as
well
as
borough
councillors.
So
that's
within
my
orbit!
So
there's
a
there's:
it's
useful!
If
we
get
the
training
done
because
it
really
reduces
the
amount
of
work
for
the
monitoring
officer.
A
Thank
you.
I
think
the
message
of
the
committee
is
is
very,
is
very
clear:
lots
in
there
from
initiation
training,
what's
mandatory,
what's
not,
and
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
we
are
all
agreed
that
the
commonality
would
help
everyone.
A
A
A
Moving
on
that's
item,
eight
item,
nine
exclusion
of
press
and
public
not
applicable
and
also
item
10
confidential
and
exempt
items
not
applicable
any
further
comments.
F
Is
genuine
against
the
code
of
conduct
that
has
been
adopted?
In
that
case,
sorry,
it's
very
badly
put
start
again
where
we
have
complaints
of
the
model
are
the
code
of
conducts?
Is
there
a
variability
in
the
code
of
conduct
which
is
causing
the
monitoring
officer
and
team
difficulties?
Historically.
B
I
I
can't
say
how
out
of
how
the
number
of
complaints
we've
had,
how
many
have
different
codes
of
conduct,
but
they
are,
and
that's
the
first
thing.
Obviously,
we
check
when
we're
dealing
with
a
complaint
is
to
check
which
code
of
conduct
applies.
B
Some
of
them
are
very
short,
indeed
so,
you're
quite
limited
with
what
you're
looking
at.
I
think
even
one
didn't
have
the
nolan
principles
in
it,
so
it
varies
a
lot
but
yeah
it
takes
a
bit
of
time.
If
you
know
the
you
know,
if
you
deal
with
that
the
code
of
conduct
which
is
adopted
by
this
council
all
the
time
it
it
you
know,
things
are
speedier
you're
not
having
to
go
and
look
and
see
what
the
the
code
of
conduct
for
the
parish
is,
but
it
takes
some.
A
If
there
are
no
further
comments,
the
meetings
close
and
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
your
attendance
and
contributions.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Everyone.