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Before
we
start,
I
know
it's
fairly
conditioned
in
here,
but
please
feel
relaxed
and
remote
ties
or
jackets
as
you
see
fit,
I'm
the
only
one
in
here
that
can't
take
his
jacket
off.
Unfortunately,
anyway,
apologies
for
absence
I
have
recorded
here
at
the
moment
councillors
tustain
lee
faulkner
williams
and
volks.
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D
E
F
On
the
same
question,
mr
mayor,
I.
F
Of
course,
sir,
on
the
same
question,
I'm
the
trustee
of
the
registered
charity,
oath
and
recreation
center.
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A
G
A
No
more
thanks
very
much
minutes
of
the
meetings
held
on
the
12th
of
may
2022
and
19th
of
may
2022..
A
The
chair,
I'm
going
to
remove
that
the
ministry
meeting
be
signed.
The
only
part
of
the
minutes
can
be
discussed
is
the
accuracy
is
that
x,
greed?
That
is
a
great
thank
you
very
much
right.
Announcements.
A
This
hasn't
been
done
for
about
three
or
four
years,
but
it's
the
announcements
for
public
service
and
I'm
going
to
run
through
a
list
of
counsellors
and
there's
a
short
description
of
their
service
to
this
council.
A
The
actual
record
of
service
will
be
posted
in
the
mail
to
these
particular
councils,
but
to
get
it
on
the
record,
I
will
read
it
into
the
record.
Now,
I'm
going
to
start
with
sean
dillo
we're
grateful
thanks
for
his
public
service.
As
a
member
of
beijing,
stoke
and
dean
borough
council
for
the
winklebury
and
many
down
ward
for
one
year
gone
donna
here,
we're
grateful
thanks
for
his
service.
A
Derek
mello
with
grateful
thanks
for
his
public
service
is
a
member
of
beijing's
circumdeanborough
council
for
the
tadly
and
pam
award
for
one
year,
jeffrey
poland,
with
grateful
thanks
for
his
public
service.
As
a
member
of
beijing,
circa
dean
borough
council
for
the
tadley
north
kings,
clear
and
broadcast
ward
for
one
year,
tristan
robinson,
with
grateful
thanks
for
his
public
service.
As
a
member
of
basingstoke
and
borough
council
for
the
shermans
and
john
and
servants
and
john
and
rookstown
wards
for
six
years,
catherine
will
at
caroline
waldridge
with
grateful
thanks
for
her
public
services.
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A
I
Yes,
please,
okay,
thank
you,
mayor
in
the
news
released
on
the
9th
of
june
council.
Is
it
stated
that
it
was
no
current
plans
to
dispose
of
the
1.94
acre
strip
in
the
freehold
ownership
of
the
council,
currently
released
for
a
remainder
of
30
years
to
base
out
town
limited
owned
by
mr
razak
can
councillor?
I
Is
it
confirmed
that
this
lease,
which
covers
part
of
the
plane
pitch
spectator
area
and
the
only
vehicle
access
to
the
ground,
has
a
term
linking
continuance
to
the
usage
of
the
ground
for
sport
and
should
not
the
council
be
proactive
and
dispose
of
this
land,
which
could
be
pivotal
in
the
redevelopment
of
the
cameras,
even
if
not
part,
of
baton's
planning
application
and
which
could
generate
funds
for
the
benefit
of
residents?
Otherwise,
the
land
is
unlikely
to
have
any
practical
value
and
create
a
cost
to
maintain.
Thank
you.
I
J
Right
I'll
start
again,
I
think
good
evening
it's
mr
mayor
and
mr
french.
J
I
Surely
the
council
will
link
to
any
continuance
of
the
least
of
the
strip
through
requirement
that
football
support
continues
at
the
cameras,
in
which
case
the
basing
special
enclosure
to
football
should
mean
the
baseline
lease
automatically
falls?
Can
the
council
confirm
that
this
is
the
position?
If
the
council
has
lost
the
lease,
they
should
get
a
copy
from
that's
one.
J
So
I
think
the
question
that
is
being
asked
is:
can
we
bring
the
least
to
an
end
and
I
don't
think
we
can
bring
the
lease
to
an
end
at
the
moment?
So
that's
that's
the
position.
G
G
G
This
issue
is
one
of
the
reasons
I
stood
for
election
last
year.
I
said
to
my
local
councillors.
Enough
is
enough.
This
council
must
start
listening.
There
is
strong
sense
in
the
community
that
the
council
does
not
listen
to
public
opinion
here.
In
my
hand,
there
are
2
240
people
that
are
asking
you
to
listen.
G
I
live
in
norden,
which
has
a
deficit
of
green
space.
It
has
no
park,
so
residents
use
east
rock
park.
My
family
use
the
park
my
10
year
old
daughter
and
I
cycle
to
the
park.
Then
my
wife
drives
to
collect
her
and
her
bike,
because
she's
not
yet
strong
enough
to
cycle
safely
back
up
the
hill
without
free
short
stay
parking.
My
daughter
would
not
get
to
practice
her
cycling
bob
lives
in
norden,
he's
about
60
and
has
cpod
a
serious,
pulmonary
condition
that
affects
his
breathing.
G
G
Last
weekend
eve,
a
mental
health
nurse
signed
the
petition
and
explained
to
me
what
a
lifeline
the
park
was.
After
the
birth
of
her
child
on
maternity
pay,
a
reduced
income.
She
said
that
she
that
being
able
to
use
the
park
and
get
outdoors
in
those
early
postnatal
days
was
vital
to
her
mental
health.
G
She
was
quite
convinced
that
it
made
the
difference
between
her
staying
well
and
not
tipping
into
postnatal
depression.
The
scouts
use
the
park
craig
harris
assistant
district
commissioner
of
the
cubs
told
me.
East
rock
park
is
a
useful
venue
for
us
as
it's
central,
easily
accessible
and
offers
a
space
for
a
wide
range
of
activities
to
our
local
groups.
G
With
the
introduction
of
parking
charges,
our
parents
who
are
dropping
off
and
collecting
young
people
will
find
it
more
difficult
and
the
parking
charges
will
mean
that
our
volunteer
leaders
incur
costs
to
run
activities
for
our
young
people.
As
a
result
of
this.
If
parking
charges
are
enforced,
we
are
discouraged
from
using
east
rock
park.
There
are
lots
of
similar
stories
from
east
drop
from
northern,
from
south
ham,
from
brookvale,
from
winklebury
from
brighton
hill,
and
so
on.
G
This
proposal
first
surfaced.
Last
summer
the
council's
equalities
assessment
said
that
the
charges
discriminated
against
those
on
low
incomes.
I
objected
in
october,
along
with
132
others
and
85
members
of
the
model
vote
club,
so
approximately
200
objections.
The
proposal
was
revised
with
lower
charges
and
a
new
statement
of
reasons
to
better
manage
the
car
parks.
The
funds
were
allocated
to
better
manage
the
car
parks.
The
council
said
that
it
had
listened
and
believed
the
new
proposals
strike
a
fair
balance.
G
G
One
was
in
favor
this
led
to
the
gazette
running
the
withering
headline
users
of
basingstoke
park
criticized
borough
council
for
introducing
parking
charges
supported
by
just
one
person.
This
petition
has
significant
support
across
party
2.
240
signatures
include
councillors
in
this
chamber
from
labour
councillor
mccormick
council,
howard,
sorrell
and
councillor
lee
from
the
liberal
democrats,
councillor
bows
and
councilmember
kai
and
from
the
bayesian
slokan
dean
independence,
all
of
the
councillors
here
apollo
in
one
minute.
If
I
have
missed
anyone,
I
am
grateful
for
their
support.
G
We
must
work
across
party
on
issues
that
matter
to
residents,
so
we
urge
the
council
to
review
this
decision
in
light
of
significant
objection
for
a
third
time.
Please
come
up
with
a
solution
that
does
not
penalize
those
on
low
incomes,
particularly
carers
in
the
infirm,
many
of
them
women
child-minded
mums
disproportionately
women.
Our
council
can
be
better
than
this
residents
expect
better
than
this.
If
there
is
a
problem,
let's
address
the
problem,
not
penalize
the
many
for
the
sins
of
the
few.
G
A
And
if
you
could
deliver
this
petition,
if
you
come
down
and
jack
grounds
will
pick
it
up
from
you
and
it
will
be
delivered
to
the
appropriate
department
in
the
council.
A
A
J
J
This
signifies
substantial
investment
in
a
wide
range
of
facilities
important
to
our
residents,
including
a
contribution
to
modernising
oakley
cricket
club
facilities,
improvements
to
allotments
at
sylvester,
close
northern,
with
better
disabled
access.
Extra
funding
for
ev
charging
points,
funding
of
cctv
equipment
at
council
recycling
sites
to
deter
fly
tippers.
J
As
I
comment
in
my
forward
to
the
report,
it
is,
however,
disappointing
and
not
acceptable
that
the
report
reveals
an
underspend
of
24.39
or
5.126
million.
This
means
that
projects
programmed
to
be
delivered
for
our
residents,
benefits
have
been
delayed
in
another
year,
impacted
hugely
by
covid.
There
are
extenuating
circumstances.
J
Lockdowns
have
made
it
incredibly
difficult
for
our
officers
to
source
supplies,
contractors
and
consultants
in
a
timely
way,
and
I
hope
that
fellow
councillors
will
recognize
this
tonight.
They've
also
been
instances
of
poor
workmanship
by
contractors
causing
payment
to
be
delayed
appropriately,
as
at
poply
islands
west.
This
is
a
problem
affecting
local
government
generally
in
a
recent.
In
its
recent
report
on
local
authority
capital
expenditure
in
england,
the
provisional
out
turn
expenditure
for
2021
22
for
councils
was
at
83
percent
of
forecast
expenditure.
J
That
was
a
report
by
the
leveling
leveling
up
department.
We
need
to
do
better,
and
this
has
been
discussed
with
senior
officer
leadership.
Team,
correct
profiling
of
capital
programs
needs
to
be
improved.
Also,
the
new
finance
system
system,
introduced
in
april
will
allow
greater
detail
on
how
schemes
are
progressing
against
expected
activity.
J
J
This
report
proposes
a
number
of
variants
or
transfers,
including
funding
to
replace
cspo's
petrol
cars
with
electric
vehicles
and
a
new
280
000
pound
capital
scheme
in
2223
for
more
ev
charging
points
taken
from
our
climate
change
reserve.
Looking
ahead,
this
council
continues
to
plan
major
investments
in
projects
in
the
years
ahead
that
will
provide
the
improved
infrastructure
and
housing
needed
for
a
growing
and
more
elderly
population,
and
one
committed
to
combating
the
effects
of
climate
change
to
2526.
A
Thank
you.
Councillor
isaac
councillor,
jay
country,
james,
tell
away
counselor
harvey.
K
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
agree
it's
very
disappointing.
We
are
noting
failure,
failure
to
deliver
what
we
promised.
I
appreciate
that
kobit
was
an
issue.
It's
been
an
issue
for
a
few
years.
We
should
have
had
workarounds
remember
once
upon
a
time
when
we
had
procurement
problems,
we
could
call
on
our
european
friends
and
neighbours
and
freely
move
goods
and
services
around
apparently
that's
harder.
Now,
I'm
not
sure
why
the
b
word's
been
taken
out
of
this,
but
it
is
very
concerning
because
this
isn't
the
first
time
we've
sat
here.
K
Looking
at
a
capital
outcome
outside
report
showing
delayed,
re-phased
et
cetera,
it's
not
new.
What's
really
concerning
is
planning
for
the
future.
2.9
million
pounds
delayed
spend
at
what
point
does
planning
for
the
future
become
the
dealing
with
today
budget
because
you
can't
keep
putting
off
the
future
even
more.
Concerning,
perhaps
is
we
still
haven't,
spent
the
money
on
the
5g
innovation
hub
now,
when
we
started
this
journey,
5g
was
an
innovation.
K
We
all
sat
in
this
chamber
with
our
4g
phones,
thinking
5g,
how
exciting
streaming
netflix
through
a
council
meeting
on
my
mobile
phone
can't
wait.
We're
now
talking
6g
I've
read
a
speech,
as
everyone
must
from
our
culture
secretary,
nadine,
doris,
very
interesting,
lady
and
she's.
Talking
about
6g
john
isa
is
still
getting
round
to
5g.
So
I'm
afraid
this
council
is
slower
than
the
dean
doris,
that's
a
really
sad
state
of
affairs.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
councillor,
james
councillor
said
I'm
taking
it.
Your
presentation
is
a
proposal
for
acceptance
of
this
report.
D
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
All
I
can
say
is,
thank
god,
nadine
doris,
isn't
standing
for
the
leadership
of
the
tory
party.
God
help
us.
If
that
was
the
case,
there's
enough
trouble
as
it
is
in
terms
of
the
papers.
I
totally
respect
the
work
that
officers
are
doing
to
try
to
address
the
issues
that
are
present
here
in
terms
of
the
underspend
and
the
lack
of
progress
on
so
many
of
the
projects.
D
I
totally
not
only
respect
that,
however,
it
doesn't
change
the
fact
that
it's
a
quarter
of
the
budget,
that
is
the
unspent.
That
is
a
huge
and
significant
issue,
because
those
projects
and
those
areas
that
have
been
that
are
going
to
suffer
because
of
that
actually
will
be
impacted
by
inflation.
We're
going
to
see
a
significant
impact
on
those
budgets
beyond
where
we
are
currently
or
where
we
thought
we
were
going
to
be
now.
D
That,
of
course,
is
going
to
take
money
out
of
the
hands
of
the
public
and
money
at
the
hands
of
our
residents,
who
were
expecting
those
projects
to
be
delivered,
who
are
expecting
to
benefit
from
those
projects
and
the
reason
why
that's
important
is
because
of
what
we're
doing
in
the
future
years.
Now,
if
we
take,
for
example,
the
argument
that
covey
has
had
a
major
impact-
and
I
totally
respect
that
it
is
not
the
only
issue
out
there-
that's
the
reason
why
this
is
an
underspent.
It
is
nonetheless
one
of
them.
I
respect
that.
D
It's
not
the
only
one.
You
are
then
piling
that
five
million
into
next
year
on
top
of
wanting
to
deliver
43
million
pounds
worth
of
capital
expenditure
next
year,
and
we
couldn't
even
get
20
million
out
the
door
this
year.
Therefore,
the
pressure
to
meet
the
demands
of
spending
that
money
and
delivering
those
capital
projects
is
huge.
D
H
Picking
up
on
electric
vehicle
charging,
2.
281
000
pound
we're
going
to
have
half
the
borough
owning
electric
cars
by
2025.
If
national
trends
come
to
fruition,
that's
just
a
drop
in
the
ocean.
We
should
be
spending
far
more
than
that
and
we
should
be
getting
government
to
give
us
money
if
we
haven't
got
it
ourselves
and
on
the
issue
of
play
areas.
H
Yes,
I've
seen
the
list,
I'm
very
pleased
to
say
that
two
out
of
the
three
have
been
done
this
year
in
brighton
hill,
and
we've
got
several
more
in
brighton
hill
that
need
doing.
Unfortunately,
brighton
hill
has
lost
out
in
play
area
maintenance
because
we
didn't
have
still
funding
or
section
106,
unlike
other
awards,
which
was
used
to
maintain
play
areas.
When
I
look
at
other,
more
fortunate
places
like
popular
brookville
have
had
play
areas.
H
You
know
fifty
thousand
hundred
thousand
pop
I'm
very
pleased
to
say
that
brighton
hill
is
gonna,
get
that
investment,
and
I
would
want
to
expedite
the
rest
of
them.
147
players.
We
used
to
have
a
lot
more
than
that.
H
Sadly,
they
were
axed
a
lot
of
them
20
years
ago,
but
when
we're
looking
at
a
national
obesity
strategy-
and
we
all
need
to
do
more
to
lose
weight,
I
would
like
to
see
more
play
areas
to
get
children
out
exercising
and
forming
the
habits
of
a
lifetime,
but
yeah
if
we
could
have
a
response
on
the
inflation
mitigation
measures
for
that
five
million
slippage
and
prevention
of
accumulation
of
more
slippage
funds,
we'd
all
be
most
grateful.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
just
147
playgrounds
three
a
year.
I
think
we're
doing
three
this
year.
That's
I
think
it's
49
years
to
deliver
those.
Thank
you.
A
C
I'll
speak
now,
if
I
may,
mr
mayor,
I'm
sure
councilor
isaac
will
will
respond
to
all
the
questions.
The
only
piece
of
information
that
I
wanted
to
add
is
on
the
slippage
list.
The
most
significant
item
is
1.9
million
pounds,
which
is
the
beijing
view
5g
living
lab,
and
I
just
wanted
to
share
with
the
chamber
that
I
raised
that,
specifically
with
the
local
and
enterprise
partnership
who
we're
delivering
this
in
partnership
with,
and
they
confirmed
that
it
is
progressing.
J
Thank
you,
mr
matt.
I
think
I
said
in
my
in
my
opening
remarks
that
we
need
to
do
better.
J
I
think
that
perhaps
some
of
the
speakers
tonight
rather
under
underestimate
the
difficulties
that
have
been
encountered
by
officers
because
of
the
huge
impact
of
and
the
disruption
caused
by
covet
capital
projects
by
their
very
nature
are
complicated
and
it's
quite
difficult
to
predict
yet
accurately,
when
they're
going
to
complete-
and
in
fact
some
of
the
some
of
some
of
the
issues
may
not
be
that
great
in
as
much
the
in
the
the
slippage
may
be
quite
modest
into
into
this
current
financial
year
on
the
play
areas
overspend.
J
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
actually
the
case
that
that
means
there'll
be
less
spend
in
this
financial
year
and
I'd
like
to
come
back
to.
J
The
council
on
that,
if
I,
if
I
may
on
the
memory
test
that
I
got
from
councilman
coleman,
you've
got
me
so
I
I
I
and
we
haven't,
got
the
section
123
officer
here
tonight,
so
we
can't
turn
to
her
to
give
you
to
give
the
councillors
the
benefits
of
the
answer
that
we
had
at
cabinet.
I
know
I
think
it
seems
to
me
to
be
rather
unfair
to
put
that
question
to
sue
kerman's
deputy.
J
But
if
he's,
if
he's,
if
he's
willing
to
have
a
go
at
it,
then
then
perhaps
he'd
do
so
after
after
I've
finished.
I'm
very
happy
that
that
this
should
this
issue
should
continue
to
be
scrutinized,
but
I
do
think
we
should
have
a
sense
of
proportion
about
this
year's
out
turn.
J
It
has
been
incredibly
difficult
and
I'm
confident
that
next
year
we
will
get
much
closer.
I
think
it's
it's
very
rarely
the
case
that
you,
you
actually
spend
what
you
what
you've
budgeted
to
spend
on
capital
projects
in
any
year
and
that's
true
across
local
government.
But
we
but
let's
say
we're
going
to
have
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
make
make
a
big
effort
to
get
a
lot
closer
and
much
better
than
a
margin
of
25
percent.
Yeah.
All
right.
A
Thank
you,
council
isaac
now
speaking's
finished
with
the
summing
up
of
the
proposal.
I'm
now
going
to
go
through
the
recommendations
from
the
cabinet
meeting
that
are
on
the
update
paper.
A
J
This
report
for
the
financial
year
end
to
2022
records
an
overall
surplus
of
1.01
million
pounds
compared
to
the
budget
approved
by
council
in
february
2021
at
32.97
million
after
carryforwards
and
movements
to
river
reserves.
This
report
recommends
carryforwards
for
government
grants
received
late
to
a
government.
A
covet
19
grants
carry
forward
reserve
to
be
spent
this
financial
year,
including
on
cyber
resilience
and
infrastructure
development.
J
At
many
now,
the
reports
the
report
recommends
council
agrees
to
year-end
transfers
to
the
budget,
carry
forward
reserve
of
1.01
million
for
for
local
plan
work,
planning,
department,
staff,
resourcing
and
east
of
beijing's
don't
work
as
well
as
to
a
new
1
million
pound
cost
of
living
surplus
allows
us
to
provide
financial
help
to
our
most
needy
res
fund
kolaf.
J
J
I'm
pleased
all
in
this
year
the
unused
counselor
grants
from
last
year,
with
advice
and
support
on
cost
of
living
issues.
Allocation
will
be
in
line
with
the
existing
rules
for
program
challenges
of
the
pandemic,
as
well
as
the
new
ones
arising
from
inflation
supply
and
personnel
shortages
and
a
major
war
in
europe.
We
have
a
first
class.
A
Thank
you
councillor,
I
said.
Do
I
have
a
second
for
that
council
bound?
Do
you
speak
now
or
reserve
right
cancer
harvey.
D
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
can
I
welcome
the
creation
of
the
cost
of
living
assistance
fund
mess
to
those
residents
of
our
borough,
who
are
at
the
moment
facing
serious
dire
straits
and
a
million
pounds
will
make
a
difference.
I
think
the
issues
that
we
are
seeing
in
our
wards
that
residents
are
facing
is
the
tip
of
the
iceberg.
To
put
it
bluntly,
in
this
document
on
page
68,
we
refer
to
the
energy
costs
being
200
2
359
pounds
on
average.
D
D
Past
3,
000
pounds
per
household-
I
don't
know
about
you,
but
if
you
think
about
that
being
a
third
of
a
pension
of
credit
income
for
the
entire
year,
we
are
talking
about
an
impact
our
residents
cannot
sustain,
and
I
don't
know
when
government
is
genuinely
going
to
get
the
message
that,
even
though
it
thinks
it's
doing
what
it's
doing,
it
isn't
going
to
scratch
the
surface
of
what
people
are
going
through.
We
need
to
support
our
food
banks.
D
We
need
to
support
all
of
those
agencies
that
are
out
there
right
now,
making
a
difference
to
our
residents
and
ensure
that
they
have
the
resources,
the
ability
to
meet
the
challenge.
That's
coming
this
coming
winter,
because
I
am
concerned
that
residents
who
are
in
crisis
right
here
right
now
this
summer
are
going
to
be
far
deeper
in
crisis
because
of
what
is
coming
by
the
time
we
get
to
christmas.
We
have
got
to
do
what
we
can.
So
I'm
really
pleased
to
see
this
fund.
I
welcome
it.
D
D
D
I
also
note
the
point
in
the
paperwork
on
page
92
of
the
split
25
of
the
award
can
be
with
to
support
food
and
the
remaining
75
to
support
utility
utility
costs.
I
just
think
there
needs
to
be
some
sensitivity
to
individual
circumstance,
instead
of
arbitrary
lines
that
we
draw
in
essentially
terms
of
what
you
can
and
cannot,
let's
just
think
through.
If
an
application
comes
in
from
somebody
who
is
in
real
need
in
the
context
in
which
their
need
is
set,
we
understand
that
and
we
can
use
the
fund
to
support
them.
D
Let's
just
think
about
some
flexibility
built
into
this,
so
that
we
do
not
see
people
go
without
and,
as
I
say,
this
is
great.
This
is
a
big
step
along
the
way
and
we
are
a
council
that
is
doing
this
and
I
welcome
it.
However,
the
government
have
got
a
massive
role
to
play
in
this,
so
I
invite
my
colleagues
opposite,
please
think
about
who
you
vote,
for,
because
that
new
prime
minister
and
my
goodness
me
when
they
get
to
get
control
of
this
particular
agenda,
has
got
one
of
the
biggest
crises.
D
D
Perhaps
on
what
what
politics
means
to
them
and
what
difference
policies
can
make
to
them,
because
when
you're
in
crisis,
it
doesn't
matter
you're
in
crisis,
because
you
can't
pay
your
rent,
you
can't
put
food
on
the
table
and
you
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
pay
your
energy
bills
later
this
year,
because
they're
just
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
it.
So
what
do
we
do
when
they
run
areas?
And
what
do
we
do
when
they're
in
absolute
need
for
more?
But
this
million
pound
will
make
a
difference?
D
H
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Well,
councillor
harvey
and
I
appear
to
be
overlapping
in
what
we
want
to
say.
I
am
very
pleased
that
we
have
managed
to
find
a
million
pound
for
cost
of
living
assistance
fund,
which
was
under
the
working
title
hardship
fund.
We
just
discussed
it
group
leaders
very
pleased
to
see
that
it's
it's
it's
going
to
subject
to
approval
tonight,
start
helping
people
straight
away.
It
will
make
a
difference.
It
will
not
make
the
whole
difference.
H
H
H
It's
just
common
sense.
It
will
mitigate
if
you've
got
a
3
000
pound
fuel
bill
at
the
end
of
the
year.
That's
a
significant
saving
on
that.
You
know
up
to
20
off
it,
so
you
know,
I
would
hope
that
that
would
be
the
case,
the
thousand
pound
on
the
lowest
incomes
or
200
pound
on
what
appears
to
be
still
below
the
median
salary.
H
H
Petrol
has
gone
up
by
over
30
since
the
start
of
the
year.
Most
people's
domestic
fuel
bills
will
have
virtually
doubled
and
by
new
year
they'll
have
doubled
again.
Now
that's
unsustainable,
and
you
know,
while
this
goes
a
little
way
towards
that,
and
I
welcome
that-
I
can't
help
thinking
that
we
might
have
to
come
up
with
some
more
initiatives
in
the
new
budget
or
maybe
have
an
emergency
budget
later
on
the
year,
because
our
residents
are
really
suffering
out
there
there's
no
two
ways
about
it.
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and,
like
the
other
councils,
I'm
also
really
pleased
to
see
the
cost
of
living
assistance
fund
included
in
the
report.
We
all
know
from
our
case
work
just
how
challenging
managing
personal
finances
and
household
finances
can
be
at
the
moment.
So
it's
really
good
to
see
that
we've
recognized
that
there's
something
we
can
do
locally
here
to
make
a
difference
and
we're
not
just
leaving
it
to
national
government,
which
is
in
limbo
at
the
moment
now.
L
One
specific
element
of
this
new
grant
scheme
is
that
it's
not
given
out
automatically
people
need
to
apply
for
it.
So
that
means
it's
absolutely
vital
that
we
promote
it
properly,
and
by
that
I
mean
we
look
beyond
our
usual
channels
of
social
media.
Facebook,
twitter,
the
normal
channels
that
we
use
a
lot
as
a
council
makes
sense.
L
They
reach
a
certain
audience
very
effectively
and
and
they're
normally
pretty
cost
effective
as
well,
which
is
why
I
think
a
number
of
us
in
this
chamber
use
it
ourselves
for
for
our
own
campaigning,
but
for
something
as
important
as
this,
we
need
to
look
beyond
social
media.
We've
been
quite
creative
in
developing
this
fund.
As
I
said
right
at
the
start,
we've
not
left
it
to
central
government
to
to
do
everything.
We've
taken
the
step
ourselves,
I
think,
given
how
important
this
is.
L
M
Yeah,
thank
you
just
in
the
context
of
the
cost
of
living
crisis.
The
item
I'd
like
to
welcome
is,
is
quite
small,
but
the
the
item
to
be
welcomed
is
the
creation
of
the
one-off
grant
scheme
to
support
organizations
providing
cost
of
living
support
advice.
M
As
noted
this,
I
believe,
stems
from
the
motion
that
I
raised
in
the
secondary
black
cancer
bulls
in
february,
and
really
what
I'd
like
to
do
now
is
thank
the
counselors
around
the
chamber
who
supported
that
motion.
It
passed
unanimously.
It's
allowed
the
the
cabinet
to
do
the
right
thing
and
by
the
intent
of
the
motion,
and
finally,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
the
officers
who
did
the
work
to
provide
the
mechanism
and
allow
it
to
to
happen.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
just
had
a
point
of
clarification
on
how
it's
going
to
work.
The
appendix
2
says
that
the
person
claiming
to
support
has
to
make
the
claim
unless
they're
got
someone
on
their
behalf,
such
as
a
relative
or
social
worker.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
in
the
chamber
is
able
to
answer,
but
a
council
is
able
to
help
their
residents
in
in
this
context,.
F
I
think
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
think
councilman
mccain
has
covered
what
I
was
going
to
say
to
some
extent
that
the
60
000
under
spend
has
been
carried
forward,
but
that's
going
to
be
used
for
an
advice
service
rather
than
being
ward
specific,
to
take
up
the
slack
for
the
2000
pound
that
weren't
used
for
each
individual
counselor
last
year,
and
perhaps
the
cabinet
member
could
clarify.
N
Take
me
out,
I
wholeheartedly
welcome
this
need
of
the
our
program
that
is
proposed
by
cabinet.
Mr
mayor.
We
are
going
to
support
families
around
up
to
5000
families
with
this
fund.
N
So
one
thing
that
I
would
like
cabinet
to
consider
one
is:
there
are
three
cohorts
decided
here:
one
is
0
to
15k
another
one
is
15k
to
20k
and
20k
to
25k,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
waiting
stock
figures
on
this.
Mr
mayor
here,
the
lower
quartal,
basing
stoke
figure
every
salary
is
25
000..
N
If
that
is
true,
only
very
few
families
will
be
qualified
for
this
fund
and,
given
that
0
to
15k
salary,
with
the
increased
hourly
page
national
wage,
that
means
only
one
in
the
family
needs
to
work,
and
no
one
else
needs
to
work.
Then
only
they'll
be
qualified
for
this
thousand.
So
would
they
please
consider
to
increase
this
limit
with
respect
to
the
national
wage
increase,
then
it
will
be
applicable
for
more
and
more
families.
O
Mr
mayor,
I'm
reading
our
statement
on
behalf
of
councillor
lee
is
that
all
right
stand
up.
Please.
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
beforehand.
Yeah.
Are
you
happy
for
me
to
read
out?
Yes
thanks,
mr
mayor
councillors,
I
would
like
to
apologize
for
not
being
able
to
participate
in
tonight's
council
meeting,
unfortunately,
after
two
years
of
successfully
managing
to
avoid
catching
it.
I
recently
tested
positive
for
covid
and
I'm
feeling
a
little
under
the
weather,
in
the
hope
that
these
words
can
be
read
out
on
the
night
by
a
fellow
group
member.
O
Had
I
been
present
this
evening,
I
would
have
requested
to
speak,
to
give
my
support
to
the
creation
of
the
grant
scheme
to
provide
support
to
the
many
residents
across
my
ward
of
winkler
and
many
down
and
also
basingstoke,
who
will
suffer
from
the
cost
of
living
crisis
that
has
been
left
to
fester
for
too
long
over
the
last
12
years
of
conservative
government.
Our
economy
has
suffered
and
wages
have
stagnated.
O
Energy
bills
already
sky
high
continue
to
rise.
Inflation
is
at
a
record
high
of
9.1
percent
the
highest
it
has
been
since
1982
and
new
research
from
bristol
university
and
the
financial
fairness
trust
suggests
that
one
in
six
households
are
in
serious
financial
difficulty
across
basing
stoke.
This
means
that
nearly
13
000
households
could
potentially
need
this
help.
So
it
is
welcome
news
that
we
as
a
council
together,
can
work
towards
helping
our
residents.
O
I
do
have
a
few
questions
that
I
would
hope
to
receive
answers
for
throughout
tonight,
and
I
apologize
if
they
have
already
been
answered
ahead
of
this
being
read
out.
I
wonder
firstly,
if
the
leader
of
the
council
can
detail
to
us
counsellors
who
will
inevitably
receive
contacts
from
residents,
how
we
direct
people
to
the
support
they
need
and
what
expected
turnaround
times
we
can
see.
I
can
expect
to
see
with
this
scheme
I
would
hate
to
see
residents
face
further
financial
hardship
as
they
wait
for
vital
funds
to
be
released
to
them.
O
Lastly,
as
a
veteran
of
the
armed
forces,
it
would
be
remiss
to
not
mention
the
nearly
70
000
veterans
that
may
be
in
receipt
of
universal
credit,
and
I
would
ask
the
mayor,
as
our
armed
forces
champion,
if
he
feels
he
he
has
the
capacity
to
support
and
resources
from
both
officers
here
in
the
council
and
also
from
the
government
to
ensure
that
no
veteran
goes
without
during
this
cost
of
living
crisis.
I
welcome
the
creation
of
this
help
and
hope
all
councillors
present
tonight
can
vote
this
through.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
councillor.
That's
the
last
question.
I'm
gonna
ask
the
second.
If
or
the
proposer
to
this
sorry
missed
you
on
that.
P
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Many
of
you
will
know
that
I've
been
very
heavily
supporting
vice
services
over
the
last
40
years.
Nearly-
and
it's
a
very
opportune
moment
at
the
moment
that
we're
going
to
actually
put
this
new
fund
forward.
P
Although
the
surrey
bands
are
slightly
different,
however,
that
is
being
administered
by
our
local
device,
for
example,
and
again
they
meet
all
the
criteria
and
they
help
people
who
otherwise
possibly
couldn't
claim,
because
as
many
people
say-
and
there
are,
people
who
aren't
computer
literate
or
physically
have
not
got
the
capabilities
of
applying
for
what
they
need,
and
I
think
the
the
cabinet
did
mention
that
there
was
officers
going
to
be
put
aside
to
do
jail
with
this,
and
I
would
hope
that
they
would
look
to
the
partnerships
of
people
that
already
doing
this
work
and
have
all
that
information
from
people
and
are
able
to
gather
that
information
in
the
future.
P
And
that
will
help,
because
I
am
conscious
that
people
might
get
confused.
So
we
do
need
to
do
some
very
clear
messaging
to
make
sure
that
people
understand
what
grant
they
can
apply
for
and
if
they
apply
for
two
lots
of
grants,
would
they
be
eligible
or
would
the
two
partners
have
to
speak
to
each
other?
There
are
lots
of
things
that
can
be
done,
but
we
need
to
do
it
properly
to
make
sure
that
people
do
get.
P
Indeed,
the
help
they
need,
and
I'm
conscious,
I'm
sure
most
of
you
are
any
of
you
that
are
school
governors
that
the
number
of
people-
children
asking
for
free
school
meals,
the
number
of
people
that
are
already
struggling
with
energy
costs
and
cost
of
living.
P
The
number
of
people
rising
at
our
food
banks
in
the
town
and
obviously
in
the
villages,
are
gradually
growing
all
the
time
and
one
wonders
where
it
will
end
and
just
as
a
final
point,
while
we
are
good
at
giving
people
grants
to
help
them
with
the
cost
of
their
energy.
Now,
what
are
we
going
to
do
in
the
future?
Because
this
will
not
end
next
september
next
april?
P
A
A
I
I
attended
a
tripartite
group
of
armed
forces,
champions
covering
rushmore
heart
and
this
district
less
than
two
weeks
ago,
and
the
subject
was
brought
up
then,
and
all
the
resources
and
contacts
that
we
have
are
for
veterans
across
those
three
districts
very
conscious.
That
veterans
should
not
be
left
behind,
and
so
I
know
that
all
those
networks
are
working
and
making
sure
that
those
veterans
are
aware
of
the
kind
of
support
that
is
available.
C
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
What
I'll
do
is
I'll.
Second,
if
I
may
and
I'll
leave
cancer
isaac
to
sum
up,
which
is
just
to
say-
and
I
I've
said
it
to
the
chamber
of
my
colleagues
before
that
we
are
absolutely
focused
on
understanding
the
impact
of
the
cost
of
living
for
our
residents.
I
think
we've
said
in
this
chamber
before
and
to
our
colleagues
in
meetings
like
group
leaders
that
this
is
the
first
of
the
initiatives
that
we've
created,
but
we
will
be
keeping
an
eye
on
it,
developing
other
schemes.
C
I
absolutely
hear
issues
about
being
more
targeted.
I
absolutely
hear
issues
about
whether
this
is
enough
money.
We
are
very
fortunate
to
be
able
to
have
money
aside
for
a
rainy
day,
and
I
don't
think
we
can
deny
it
is
absolutely
pouring
at
the
moment
as
far
as
cost
of
living.
I
welcome
all
of
my
colleagues
sharing
their
ideas
and
encourage
them
to
do
it
so
that
we
can
take
all
of
those
into
account
as
we
develop
new
schemes.
C
C
We
will,
of
course,
be
looking
at
all
of
our
channels
to
make
sure
we
get
that
information
out
there
in
a
way
that
is
digestible
again,
these
things
can
be
very
confusing
and
to
counselor
mccormick.
I
will
pass
on
your
best
wishes
to
penny
morden
on
her
campaign
to
become
lead
with
the
prime
minister.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor.
A
Excuse
me,
I'm
sorry,
I've
got
to
go
back
to
the
proposal
for
something
up,
but
before
I
call
the
vote.
J
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Firstly,
I'm
I'm
delighted
that
there's
so
much
support
in
this
chamber
for
this
initiative.
I
think
it's
a
demonstration
of
this
council
at
its
best.
I
think
councillor
harvey
made
some
very
good
points,
and
it's
often
the
case
that
those
who
are
most
in
need
of
this
sort
of
help
are
the
ones
who
are
at
most
disadvantaged
in
actually
accessing
it.
J
And
so
I
take
that
point
and
we'll
talk
to
the
officer
team
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
ensure
that
we
try
and
reach
those
like
those
people.
I'm
thinking,
particularly
in
my
part
of
beijing
state,
a
rural
area
where
there
were
a
lot
of
people
who
were
suffering
from
rural
poverty,
to
use
a
phrase
and
don't
have
access
to
the
internet
and
so
forth.
J
Don't
have
bank
accounts,
and
so
it's
it's
very
important
that
we
look
at
how
we're
going
to
reach
those
people
to
make
sure
that
they
can
access
this
scheme.
Your
other
point
councilor
harvey
about
demonstrating
some
flexibility
between
the
25
for
food
and
the
75
towards
the
utility
costs.
Yes,
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
that
and
so
I'll
encourage
the
officers
to
do
that.
J
J
Councillor
molina,
I'm
not
sure
about
your
calculations;
they
may
be
right,
but
on
the
average
median
income
in
the
borough,
but
let's
just
say
that
if
we
find
we've
got
money
left
over,
then
we'll
we'll
look
at
the
eligibility
rules,
but
I
would
be
pretty
certain
that
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
get
that
one
million
pounds
out
to
to
the
to
needed
residents.
But
we
look
at
that
point
as
it
if
it
arises
councillor
slimming
I'm
confident
that
we've
got
a
team
in
the
finance
team.
J
That's
really
well
practiced
in
in
applying
these
sort
of
grants.
We've
had
a
lot
of
experience
of
this
as
a
result
of
the
government
coded
grants,
and
so
I
think
we'll
we'll
keep
up
our
performance
on
that.
I
think
that
probably
covers
the
comments
on
kolaf,
but
generally,
as
councillor
bound
says.
We
do
realize
that
this
is.
This
is
a
a
crisis
and
as
an
administration,
we
will
continue
to
keep
under
review
what
we
can
do
as
a
council
to
help
our
residents.
J
I've
got
no
ability
to
control
what
goes
on
in
westminster,
but
but
happily
we
can
do.
We
have
have
got
the
ability
to
make
decisions
in
this
borough
and
then
just
on
the
council
of
grant
scheme
councillor
phillamore.
No,
it's
not
board
specific.
It's
it's
gonna,
be
a
60
000
pounds
that
will
be
available
for
organizations
across
the
borough
to
apply
for
in
support
of
those
giving
advice
in
relation
to
the
the
cost
of
living
problems
that
we've
got.
Okay.
Thank
you,
mr.
A
A
And
move
on
now
to
general
item
number
11,
the
standards
committee
annual
report.
Specifically
again,
I
will
move
that
from
the
chair.
C
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
didn't
really
want
to
add
anything
because
we
have
clearly
seen
this
report
before,
but
just
to
add
on
my
thanks
to
the
scrutiny
committee
for
not
only
their
comments
that
we
received
in
march,
but
also
the
additional
comments
that
were
received
at
the
21st
of
june's
meeting
and
recommend
it
to
the
council.
Thank
you.
A
L
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor,
I'd
like
to
draw
everyone's
attention
to
a
single
line,
but
a
very
important
line
on
the
scorecard
and
that's
the
the
target
of
planting
new
trees,
which
you'll
find
at
the
top
of
the
third
page
of
the
the
pull-out
in
the
in
the
main
agenda
pack.
L
L
The
numbers
don't
take
into
account
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
trees
are
self-seeding
and
also
we've
got
lots
of
wonderful
volunteer
groups
in
our
borough
who
plant
trees
themselves,
those
aren't
included,
and
equally
we
have
to
recognize
the
fact
that
some
trees
are
cut
down
for
a
good
reason.
We
have
storm
damage,
we've
had
storms
earlier
on
this
year,
which
which
have
necessitated
trees
to
be
cut
down
and
also
as
a
councillor
for
one
of
our
new
awards.
L
We've
had
trees,
which
were
planted
in
the
wrong
location
decades
ago,
which
are
now
threatening
people's
houses
or
encroaching
onto
their
gardens
so
they've
had
to
go.
Nonetheless,
I
would
argue
that
the
400
target
is
too
low
and
I
believe
that
we
need
to
raise
that
higher
or
look
at
making
it
a
net
rather
than
a
gross
target.
L
So
for
that
reason,
and
in
line
with
our
ecological
and
climate
emergencies,
I'm
going
to
be
voting
against
this
and
asking
for
it
to
go
back
to
scrutiny.
To
have
that
section.
Looked
at
again.
D
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
It
is
just
worth
saying
on
the
trees-
and
we've
debated
this
in
this
chamber
before
that.
Actually
a
number
of
our
wards
do
not
have
the
tree
canopy
that
we
set
a
target
for
so
it's
a
very
exemplary
point
that
we
don't
meet
the
targets
already,
despite
the
desire
to
plant
as
many
trees,
and
I'm
going
to
be
really
controversial
for
once
I'd
like
to
thank
the
county
council,
I
don't
often
do
that.
I'm
going
to
feel
very
ill.
D
After
doing
it,
I'm
sure,
given
the
number
of
things
that
I'm
going
to
say,
I
need
a
doctor.
No,
you
can't
get
a
doctor
gavin,
that's
one
of
the
major
problems
our
residents
face,
unfortunately,
getting
access
to
gps
we'll
come
back
to
that,
I'm
sure
in
another
debate
in
another
place
very
very
soon.
In
all
seriousness,
the
county
council
has
enabled
us
in
northern
to
plant
nearly
200
trees
and
that's
with
residents
support,
and
it
has
made
a
massive
difference
and
it's
actually
been
really
really
welcomed.
D
One
of
the
issues
they
faced
was
trying
to
find
the
places
to
plant
the
trees
because
of
the
services
underneath
their
own
virgins,
that
they
couldn't
plan
them
on,
so
that
hampered
us
in
a
number
of
spots,
but
we
do
need
to
take
the
issue
seriously,
but
what
that
shows-
and
this
is
the
major
point
I
wanted
to
make-
was
aside
from
the
work
of
the
burritos
and
the
board-
does
plant
trees?
It's
not
that
we
don't
we
just
don't
plan
enough
is
that
this
came
to
scrutiny
and
cross
party.
D
There
was
a
very
good
debate.
I
think
one
of
the
best
debates
I've
taken
part
in
quite
a
while,
where
we
challenged
and
pushed
the
right
way
that
scrutiny
should
on
a
number
of
these
targets,
and
one
of
the
things
that
stands
out
is,
for
example,
we
push
the
point
about
planning.
Now
our
planning
officers
are
delivering
nearly
90
percent
rate
return
at
the
moment.
That's
a
really
good
target
that
they're
meeting.
Yet
in
here
we're
going
to
set
them
a
target
of
80.
It
was
originally
lower
than
that.
D
So
why
set
a
target
below
what
you're
delivering
to
achieve
really
in
a
sense
you're?
Not
because
you're
already
there
you've
surpassed
it
where's
the
stretch
in
that
where's,
the
challenge
in
that
and
that
kind
of
reflects.
I
think,
a
lot
of
these
particular
corporate
targets,
and
that
was
the
main
theme.
D
I
think-
and
colleagues
can
please
correct
me
that
if
we
are
going
to
have
challenge
and
we're
going
to
have
a
performance
review
in
the
sense
it
needs
to
be
stretching,
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
think
about
that,
and
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
these
particular
targets
and
whether
they're
relevant
to
us
in
a
corporate
setting.
So
I
think
yeah.
D
S
Thank
you
chair.
I,
along
with
I
think
most
of
the
other
members
of
scrutiny,
received
an
email
today
from
mr
paul
beavers
regarding
the
improving
biodiversity
section
on
the
scorecard
and,
if
possible,
I'd
like
to
read
out
the
what
he
planned
to
say.
Unfortunately,
he
missed
the
deadline.
If
that's
acceptable,
sir,
in
the
performance
monitoring
scorecard,
the
scrutiny
committee
commented
very
sensibly
on
hedgerow's
biodiversity
and
water
quality.
Sadly,
the
importance
of
those
comments
have
not
been
given
sufficient
regard.
S
I
will
try
to
help.
The
scorecard
for
improving
biodiversity
is
confusing,
has
little
or
no
value
and
lacks
the
granularity
that
I
assume
scrutiny
committee
was
searching
for.
The
lack
of
granularity,
which
needs
action
today,
not
in
12
months
or
more,
is
largely
hidden
behind
the
catch-all
measures
in
pdo4
increase
in
the
amount
of
space
brackets
of
council
open
spaces
managed
for
biodiversity
interest.
S
This
I
this
term
is
meaningless
at
the
best
of
times,
but
even
more
so
when
set
against
the
backdrop
of
an
ecological
emergency
where
every
habitat
type
is
now,
a
priority
for
restoration
species
are
going
extinct
or
numbers
have
plummeted,
and
ecosystem
services
are
breaking
down.
Great
areas
of
public
open
space
can
and
should
be
managed
better,
and
we
need
to
get
on
with
it.
We
need
an
expedited
audit
of
borough-owned,
open
spaces
and
water
to
measure
the
extent,
condition
and
opportunity
for
each
habitat
type.
S
Connectivity
2
is
vitally
important
by
improving
knowledge
of
our
habitats
and
acting
to
expand
and
improve
them.
We
can
act
similarly
on
species,
diversity
and
abundance,
and
by
doing
so,
we
will
contribute
be
contributing
towards
restoring
the
ecosystem
services.
We
also
need
to
audit
to
conclude
to
set
useful
targets.
We
have
to
have
the
baseline
data
to
inform
decisions
about
priorities
and
time
scales,
projects
and
funding
and
against
which
change
can
be
measured.
S
H
H
For
instance,
ffd
12
to
implement
the
strategic
asset
management
plan
just
says
achieved,
doesn't
really
tell
us
very
much
about
what
went
on
picking
up
on
climate
change
now.
This
is
the
bit
where
I
think
it's
potentially
quite
confusing:
pea
06
percent
reduction
in
council
operational
emissions
as
per
climate
change
strategy,
20
21,
22,
3.396
tonnes,
carbon
dioxide,
equivalent,
provisional
3
396
tonnes,
carbon
dioxide
equipment
against
a
target
of
less
than
or
equal
to
15.
H
H
Finally,
on
the
the
question
of
the
trees
pedo8
queen
silver
jubilee
1977,
we
planted
many
thousands
of
trees
in
the
borough
and
we're
reaping
the
consequences
of
that
some
45
years
later,
with
trees
planted
close
to
houses
and
then
parks
in
locations
where
I
guess
it
simply
wasn't
envisioned
the
trees
would
grow
that
big
and
the
problem
of
maintaining
the
trees
has
grown
with
them,
and
we
do
regularly
get
tree
fillings.
We
have,
or
did
have
a
five
year
rolling
program.
H
The
last
time
it
came
around
brighton
hill
they
had
around
500
trees
fell
down
a
total
of
four
and
a
half
thousand.
A
lot
of
those
trees
were
virtually
falling
down
anyway,
but
nevertheless,
the
residents
who
had
been
asking
for
trees
to
be
filled
were
quite
upset
to
to
hear
the
total
that
actually
being
filled.
H
Be
that
as
it
may,
I
think
it's
incumbent
on
us
to
ask
and
get
an
accurate
figure
for
how
many
trees
actually
are
in
the
borough,
and
I
don't
know
who
could
answer
that
question.
But
at
a
guess
I
would
say
that
in
the
total
borough,
bearing
in
mind
that
something
like
91
of
it
is
rural,
we
have
between
half
a
million
and
a
million
trees.
So
if
we
want
to
make
a
material
difference
in
biodiversity
by
tree
planting
planting,
400,
trees
or
4
000
trees
is
not
going
to
make
a
difference.
H
It's
not
even
going
to
be
one
percent
of
what
we
need
to
do.
So,
if
we're
really
serious
about
planting
a
lot
more
trees,
we're
going
to
have
to
plant
many
thousands
of
trees
and
maybe
even
plant
a
million
trees
in
the
borough
and
we'd
have
to
figure
out
where
we're
going
to
plant
them,
because
there's
an
awful
lot
of
space
required
for
that
sort
of
number
of
trees.
H
So
I
think
I've
probably
talked
all
that
to
death.
Now
I
do
agree
that
it
should
go
back
to
to
scrutiny.
Oh
one
last
thing:
I've
got
a
brand
new
series
of
indicators
on
supporting
jobs
and
business
growth.
It
doesn't
actually
tell
us
how
many
jobs
we've
had
and
what
the
growth
of
businesses
are.
Just
things
like
number
of
visits
to
websites
and
things
like
that.
Well,
I
can't
really
ascertain
from
that
whether
the
economy
is
growing
or
shrinking,
the
number
of
jobs
is
growing
or
shrinking.
H
Q
Thank
you
mayor
as
chair
of
scrutiny.
I
believe
it
is
coming
back.
We've
got
some
sort
of
he's
coming
back
at
the
next
meeting.
I'm
sure
we're
more
than
capable
of
looking
at
it
again,
because
we
didn't
have
a
long
debate
about
this.
It
was
complicated.
I
won't
say
it
isn't
I
don't
think
it's
as
plain
as
it
could
be.
That's
what
the
scrutiny
is
there
for.
We
will
make
recommendations.
P
C
I
just
really
want
to
offer
my
support
to
councillor
jones
in
his
work
as
the
chair
of
scrutiny
and
more
than
happy
to
ask
councillor
eaches
with
her
portfolio
and
counselor
ganesh,
to
work
with
a
task
and
finish
group
or
whatever
the
scrutiny
committee
decides
to
do
so
that
we
can
really
bottom
out
what
are
very
important
bits
of
information
regarding
the
performance
of
our
council
on
issues
that
really
matter.
R
I'm
happy
to
support
happy
to
support
this
and
all
hardly
agree
with
council
bounds
coming
about.
Scrutiny
is
well
pleased
to
look
through
this
and
we
are,
as
a
committed
council
to
deliver
all
the
climate
change
or
biodiversity
commitments.
R
I'm
sure
we
should
be
able
to
look
into
if
there's
a
way
to
find
more
or
more
detailed,
kpis
or
more
detailed
way
to
analyze
the
performances
and
happy
to
work
with
the
officers
on
that
and
in
terms
of
the
trees
completely
agree
with
some
of
the
comments
made
that
we
should
probably
do
more
and
we
should
be
working
to
achieve
not
just
as
a
borrower
but
as
individual
the
award
specific
to
deliver
the
best
to
achieve
the
the
overall
commitment
as
a
council.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
accounts,
goodness.
If
I
could
go
back
to
the
leader,
can
I
take
it
that
this
report
will
go
back
to
scrutiny
and
then,
after
scrutiny
is
dealt
with
it
again,
it
will
then
be
resubmitted
to
the
council.
Q
More
than
happy
with
it
we
might
have
to
reconvene
rather
than
we've
we've
been
doing
it
at
scrutiny.
We
have
a
lot
of
work
on
so
we
may
reconvene
a
panel
of
some
sorts
really
look
at
and
dig
deep,
but
that's
that's
going
to
be
up
to
the
committee,
not
me.
I
may
share
it,
but
I
do
believe
you've
got
to
get
consent
of
everybody
in
the
committee,
but
that's
where
all
that.
A
Is
we
might
have
to
go,
and
the
council
is
content
with
that?
Yes,
right
that
gender
item
was
withdrawn,.
A
Yes,
this
is,
I
can
replace
the
recommendation,
because
we're
noted
to
the
comments
of
the
scrutiny
committee
and
to
prove
it
we're
not
approving
of
what
we're
doing
is
the
the
we're
proving
that
it
is
returned
to
the
scrutiny
committee
for
further
examination.
A
J
J
Three
leases
also
remain
outstanding
at
shoot
house
discussions
will
commence
with
the
tenants
shortly
as
plans
for
the
future
use
and
repairs
of
the
building
develop.
The
balance
of
42
relates
to
community
leases.
15
are
being
reviewed
as
part
of
the
community
building
strategy
with
sla's,
but
advice
from
legal
is
weighted
on
the
remainder.
J
It's
worth
highlighting
that
all
the
community
leases
are
let
on
a
peppercorn
save
with
the
save
for
those
with
with
a
with
a
drinks
bar
the
the
delay
has
been
as
a
result
of
resources
and
the
development
of
the
strategy
for
community
development.
J
The
resources
in
property
have
been
increased
to
work
through
the
remaining
leases
and
conclude
those
where
heads
of
terms
have
been
agreed,
but
I
can
assure
councillor,
furthermore,
we'll
keep
a
close
eye
on
this.
Thank
you.
F
Oh
yeah
sort
of
the
I'm
sure
the
deputy
leader
appreciates
that
some
of
these
organizations
need
security
of
tenure
to
apply
for
and
receive
grants
and
other
financial
support,
and
that
delay
is
not
good.
In
that
respect,
could
we
have
a
list
of
how
many
exploit
leases
there
are
and
how
long
they've
been
expired
but,
most
importantly,
could
this
issue
be
placed
on
the
agenda
for
consideration
by
cep.
J
Yes,
I
I
understand
the
point
that's
being
made
in
relation
to
applying
for
grants.
I
don't
think
there's
any
risk
of
any
loss
of
security
of
tenure,
but
I
agree
that
they
do
need.
The
grants
do
need
to
be
renewed
if
they're
going
to
be
able
to
get
to
apply
for
sorry,
the
leases
need
to
be
renewed.
J
If
again,
if
organizations
are
going
to
be
able
to
apply
for
grants,
yes,
I'm
sure
we
can
provide
a
list
of
of
the
expired
leases
and
if
cp
are
happy
for
it
to
go
to
so
that
if
the
chair
of
cp
is
happy
for
it
to
go
to
that
committee,
then
absolutely
no
problem
whatsoever
in
taking
attacking
that
to
it.