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B
Good
afternoon
everybody,
my
name
is
ravindra
and
I
am
a
member
of
Beijing
stock,
Hindu
Society
with
my
colleague,
Prashant
and
I'm.
Here
to
present
you,
the
Hindu
thought
of
the
day
today,
I'm
an
engineer
by
profession
and
I
I
help
the
Hindu
Community
by
serving
as
a
priest
in
my
free
time,
and
hence
I'm
here
today,
to
speak
about
the
thoughtful
day.
B
Now
one
of
the
most
important
Hindu
philosophies
is
based
upon
what
we
call
as
Pancha
mahabhata,
which
is
the
five
elements:
space,
air
fire,
water
and
Earth.
Now
these
are
the
foundations
of
interconnected
Web
of
Life.
The
human
nose
is
related
to
Earth
tongue,
to
water
eyes,
to
fire
skin
to
air
and
ears
to
space.
B
This
bond
between
our
senses
and
the
elements
is
the
foundation
of
our
human
relationship
with
the
natural
world
for
Hinduism,
nature
and
environment
are
not
foreign
to
us
are
not
outside
us.
They
are
not
alien
or
hostile
to
us,
they
are
well
within
and
they
are
inseparable
part
of
our
existence
and
they
constitute
our
our
very
own
bodies.
B
Living
in
harmony
with
the
nature
is
the
very
fundamental
building
block
of
Hindu
philosophies,
Dharma,
which
is
one
of
the
most
important
Hindu
Concepts,
is
Loosely
translated
into
English
as
a
sense
of
Duty
virtues
morals
that
every
Hindu
must
uphold
in
in
Hinduism.
Protecting
the
environment
is
an
important
expression
of
one's
Dharma,
the
millions
of
Hindus
all
over
the
world
daily,
recite
prayers
and
chants
to
Revere
their
reverse
mountains,
trees,
animals
and
every
natural
being,
and
to
the
goddess,
Mother
Earth
too.
B
So
much
so
when
somebody
buys
or
builds
a
house,
a
ritual
called
vastu
Shanti
is
performed
to
to
apologize
for
all
the
troubles
that
we
have
caused
to
the
nature
and
to
Mother
Earth
foreign
followers
of
the
Hindu
philosophies.
We
we
don't
see
religion,
ecology
and
ethics
as
separate
Arenas
of
life.
Instead,
they
understand
it
to
be
the
part
of
their
Dharma
to
treat
each
and
every
Creation
with
respect.
B
Our
beloved
Earth
has
nurtured
Mankind
through
millions
of
years
of
growth
and
evolution.
Now
centuries
of
exploitation
of
this
planet.
Earth
have
now
caught
up
with
us,
and
the
radical
change
in
our
relationship
with
nature
is
no
longer
an
option.
It
is
a
matter
of
survival.
We
cannot
continue
to
destroy
nature
without
also
destroying
ourselves.
B
B
We
must,
in
short,
move
rapidly
towards
a
global
Consciousness
that
replaces
the
present
fractured
and
fragmented
consciousness
of
the
world
and
of
the
human
race,
which
is
exactly
what
the
Dharma
as
described
in
Hindu
philosophies
is
teaching
us.
We
say
the
whole
world
is
one
and
that's
where
the
Hindu
philosophy
comes
as
a
help
to
today's
crisis.
Thank
you.
C
D
Thank
you,
chair,
councilor
hussies
on
holiday,
but
he
assures
me
he'll
be
back
in
two
Chancellor's
time.
Thank
you,
though.
Thank.
C
C
I
will
move
the
minutes
to
the
meeting
to
be
signed
as
a
correct
record.
The
only
part
of
the
minutes
can
be
discussed
is
their
accuracy.
Is
there
any
comment?
No
comment.
I
will
accept
those
as
read
and
I
will
sign
them
in
due
course,
announcements
now
I've
gone
away
a
little
bit
from
my
approach
to
wearing
the
Robes
of
office.
I'm
doing
this
very
deliberately
today,
an
awful
lot
has
happened
to
us
as
a
nation.
C
Since
the
last
council
meeting
we've
seen
the
unfortunate
demise
of
our
late
beloved
Queen
Elizabeth
II,
we've
had
a
proclamation
announcing
the
accession
of
King
Charles
III
and
we've
had
celebrations
through
Mark,
all
those
so
I
am
wearing
these
robes
tonight.
As
the
Michael
respect
for
the
new
king
as
I
am,
as
we
sit
here
today,
his
representative
in
the
borough
this
evening
also
because
of
the
size
of
the
agenda
I,
would
like
us
to
focus
on
the
business
of
Beijing,
Stoke
and
Dean
tonight,
and
not
have
too
many
other
distractions.
C
The
other
announcement
I've
been
progressing
quite
well.
You
most
of
you
might
have
heard
that
I
actually
jumped
out
of
a
serviceable
aircraft
now
being
an
xraf
sometime
pilot
and
25
years,
veteran
I
didn't
ever
do
that.
I
strapped
parachutes
on,
but
I
never
used
anything
this
time
for
my
Charities
I
did
I
jumped
from
15
000
feet
over
old
serum
and
the
tandem
parachute
jump
and
I
understand
that
the
contributions
to
that
charity
jump
are
doing
very
nicely
and
I
know
that
some
of
the
members
here
have
contributed
and
I.
C
Thank
everybody
who
has
two
very
valuable
Charities.
We
don't
know
what
they
are.
Please
go
to
my
website
on
the
Basingstoke
Dean
website,
the
good
link,
that's
all
I,
have
to
say
I'm,
going
to
pass
the
microphone
across
to
the
deputy
mayor.
G
Hey
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor,
Mr,
Mayor
may
I
say
a
few
words
about
the
mayor's
response
to
the
death
of
our
Monarch
Queen
Elizabeth
II
and
the
proclamation
of
the
King
Charles
III.
It
was
carried
out
with
the
greatest
respect
and
dignity,
and
you
did
a
very
proud
at
such
a
sad
and
historic
event.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
very
much.
It
was
a
great
honor
to
be
involved
in
all
of
those
proceedings.
One
thing
that
any
mayor
currently
sitting
anywhere
in
the
country.
We
will
all
experience.
We
have
experienced
those
events.
We
will
also
experience
the
coronation,
which
is
happening
on
May.
The
6th,
unique
in
anybody's
lifetime.
C
H
Thank
you.
Can
you
all
hear
me:
okay,
hello,
my
name's
Peter
whisker
I'm,
a
campaigner
for
the
liberal
Democrats
in
Brighton
Hill
Ward.
H
During
our
regular
canvassing
visits,
a
number
of
residents
have
raised
concerns
about
the
car
meets
and
the
noise
of
revving
cars
wheel,
spins,
skids,
Etc
and
they've
asked
us
what
the
council
tend
to
do
now.
I
am
aware
that
some
of
you
I,
don't
know
who
have
already
met
the
local
police
Authority
and
the
Borough
Council
Community
safety
team
to
discuss
the
problem
of
car
meets.
H
But
in
order
for
us
and
the
Liberals
to
keep
Focus,
we
decided
to
set
up
a
petition
in
and
around
the
Brighton
Hill
Asda
area
and
I'm
pleased
to
say.
We've
got
106
signatures
where
we're
asking
the
council
to
continue
to
work
with
key
stakeholders:
I.E
Hampshire,
County
Council,
the
police,
force
landlords
and
affected
tenants
to
develop
a
long-term
plan
to
prevent
these
car
meets,
or
these
unsolicited
car
meets
in
the
future.
H
In
The
Wider
area,
basic
I'm
aware
that
we've
had
car
meets
at
Sainsbury's
at
Wallop
drive
and
camshot.
We've
seen
incidents
at
St,
Michael's
retail
Park,
the
the
back
of
the
Leisure
park
behind
the
cinema,
Etc
on
the
industrial
Estates
at
dainesville,
East
and
West.
We've
had
problems
there
and
obviously,
as
the
car
park
is
the
it's.
The
one
I'm
focusing
on
here.
H
I
know
that
Sainsbury's
have
taken
action
in
March.
They
installed
CCTV
and
added
sleeping
policemen,
and
if,
if
you
enter
the
store
after
closing
time
after
it's
shut
in
the
car
park-
and
you
spend
more
than
10
minutes,
you
are
likely
to
receive
a
fine
with
St
Michael's
retail
Park.
They
have
got
barriers
on
haraway
and
they've
also
got
some
cameras
because
there's
some
time
measured,
parking
places
near
Nando's,
Leisure
Park's
got
good
CCTV
and
the
industrial
station
I
had
a
look
around
there
and
most
of
the
offices.
H
H
So
we
have
an
issue
I'm
aware
that
around
the
UK
car
meets
news
and
car
meets.
Are
a
problem
and
I've
been
informed
at
wokingham,
for
example,
are
trying
a
public
space
protection
order
where
they're
installing
cameras
in
public
car
parks
and
if
people
causing
useless
or
disturbance,
they
can
face
a
fine
of
up
to
a
thousand
pounds.
I'm
aware
that
this
is
just
for
public
car,
Parks
Etc
public
spaces,
whereas
the
Asda
areas,
Private
Car
Park.
H
Other
initiatives
are
from
the
Department
of
Transport
they're,
doing
a
trial
where
they're
looking
at
noise
cameras
or
acoustic
cameras,
and
these
will
measure
the
noise
admitted
from
car
engines
and
motorcycles
and
if
it
exceeds
a
threshold,
I
think
it's
74
decibels.
Then
you
can
take
a
photograph
and
the
case
where
they
are
and
then
use
it
as
evidence
to
give
to
the
local
police
Authority
so
that
they
can
hopefully
issue
some
fines.
H
They
are
trialing
these
cameras
in
Keeley
Bradford
at
the
moment,
with
plans
to
do
three
other
areas:
Bristol
Birmingham
and
Great
Yarmouth
they're
not
cheap,
and
it
costs
about
300
000
pounds
for
the
trial.
But
the
ministers
believe
that
if,
if
it
works,
it
should
deter,
you
know
useless.
Car
makes
and
noise,
so
I've
already
handed
in
the
petition.
But
if
you
would
accept
my
petition
for
consideration
and
action,
then
hopefully
we
can
get
the
Brighton
Hill
residence
quiet
tonight.
H
C
You
very
much
thank
you.
Mr
Whitaker.
Your
petition
will
be
passed
to
the
head
of
service
for
environmental
Community
Services.
Thank
you.
C
Gender
item
number
seven
resignations
and
appointments
on
the
update
paper,
and
this
is
to
a
point:
price,
Council,
Paul
Mahoney
to
the
standards
committee
and.
C
C
I
To
bound
just
as
as
it
is
on,
the
I
just
obviously
would
like
to
put
that
forward
as
a
nomination
subject
to
what's
described
on
the
update.
I
do
have
another
amendment
as
well.
When
you
finish
Mr
Mayor,
understood.
C
Is
item
three
with
reference
to
Council
McIntyre
as
chair
at
CP?
Is
that
one
agreed
subject
to
item
11.
G
I
C
There's
no
is
there
any
other
update
on
Item
B
under
agenda
number
seven
reference
to
outside
bodies
if
there
are
none,
we
move
on
gender
item
number
eight
adoption
of
the
shared
Licensing
Service
statement
of
Licensing
policy
to
2013.
G
J
J
That
thank
you
I'm,
really
pleased
to
see
the
inclusion
of
a
requirement
for
new
licensees
to
detail
how
they'll
prevent
sexual
harassment
on
their
premises,
I'm
interested
in
how
this
will
be
implemented.
J
There
is
a
long-established
best
practice
for
officers
and
applicants
to
follow
with
regards
to
other
crime
and
disorder,
such
as
drug
abuse
and
antisocial
behavior
on
licensed
premises.
However,
sexual
harassment,
perhaps
less
so
I,
would
like
to
understand
from
the
licensing
committee
or
establish
with
officers
whether
the
council
will
be
using
best
practice
in
the
best
practice
guidance
in
the
policy
implementation
and
in
the
assessment
of
license
applications
or
whether
it
is
preferring
to
adopt
a
wait
and
see
approach
as
it
learns
by
experience.
J
G
That
thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,.
L
I
may
I'll
respond
to
the
active
writing
in
the
very
in
a
very
short
time.
Indeed,
thank.
M
C
N
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
councilor
Basham
has
preempted
my
support
of
the
inclusion
of
this
on
the
licensing
on
future
licenses,
as
well
as
the
person
who
moved
the
white
ribbon
motion
that
we
passed
unanimously.
N
It's
it's
gratifying
to
see
that
we're
taking
concrete
steps
within
the
borough
to
encourage
where
we
can
protection
towards
this,
especially
vulnerable
women.
Obviously,
social
harassment
isn't
a
isn't
a
gendered
issue,
but
with
the
white
ribbon
motion
having
been
moved,
it's
good
to
see
these
steps
that
we're
taking
so
I
just
wanted
to
similarly
offer
my
support
and
appreciation
that
it's
been
included.
So
thank
you.
G
C
E
You
Mr
Mayor.
This
came
back
to
the
scrutiny
committee
and
the
security
committee
had
a
very
thorough
and
good
debate
cross-party
cross
group
on
various
points
throughout
the
document
from
fly
tipping
to
event
breakfast
to
equality
and
diversity,
to
inclusion
or
sleeping
bins.
There
were
so
many
things
that
were
raised
as
part
of
the
corporate
scorecard
that
are
still
yet
to
be
answered
or
yet
to
be
responded
to
from
that
debate
at
scrutiny.
Yet
here
before
is
this
evening.
E
Is
the
corporate
scorecard
without
the
answers
to
those
questions
and
many
places
so
actually
I'm
not
happy
with
it
coming
through
cabinet
and
it
just
simply
being
signed
off,
because
actually
we
were
looking
for
quite
a
number
of
changes
and
we
were
looking
for
a
number
of
things
to
come
back
to
the
questions
that
were
posed.
So
while
it's
gone
through
cabinet
and
we
denote
it
I'm
not
in
support
of
it,
because
why
would
I
support
something?
Well,
I,
don't
know
the
answers
to
the
questions
I
put
at
committee.
It
seems
to
be
deaf.
E
Doesn't
it
in
that
regard?
So
in
that
way,
I
would
like
to
see
it
come
back
or
somehow
have
the
answers
to
the
questions
we
posed.
So
at
least
the
committee
knows
where
it
stands
with
the
debate
that
we
had,
because
we
took
an
awful
lot
of
time
to
go
through
it
in
an
awful
lot
of
detail
and
we've
got
every
right
to
have
the
answer
to
the
questions.
I
think
we
put
one
way
or
the
other.
Thank
you.
Mr
Mayor.
I
Many
of
the
recommendations
from
scratching
committee
have
been
included
with
the
kpis
amended
or
will
be
at
the
Forefront
of
our
minds
as
a
Cabinet.
When
we
look
at
how
we
make
sure
we
are
delivering
on
the
new
council
plan
that
will
soon
be
going
out
for
consultation,
we
will
continue
to
look
at
everything
we
do
through
the
lens
that
our
residents
would
use,
and
we
are
fortunate
to
be
able
to
do
that
from
such
a
sound
financial
position.
I
We
are
focused
every
day
every
week
on
missed
bin
rounds
and
missed
bins.
We
ask
our
residents
to
keep
telling
us
when
Circo
have
let
them
down
and
have
missed
collections
for
bins.
Managing
those
who
have
promised
so
much
in
their
contracts
to
this
council
is
making
a
real
difference
with
us,
seeing
Services
improving.
I
We
are
also
working
hard
to
protect
what
we
all
love
about:
our
Borough,
reducing
our
carbon
footprint,
increasing
the
biodiversity
in
our
green
spaces,
protecting
our
chalk
streams
and
their
precious
water
quality,
building
on
our
vibrant
local
economy.
Where
so
many
people
want
to
come
and
do
business
and
telling
everyone
who
hasn't
yet
heard
the
wonderful,
basinsuke
and
Dean
story,
these
performance
measures
show
how
our
clear
focus
on
delivering
and
focus
on
delivering
what
matters
to
our
residents
and
I.
I
Ask
Council
to
note
the
performance
scorecard,
which
was
agreed
at
the
Lost
cabinet
meeting
I
believe
there
were
also
some
members
here
who
got
a
response
from
myself
personally
to
every
single
one
of
the
recommendations
that
came
from
scrutiny,
councilor,
Harvey
I
believe
you
were
there
directly.
So
I
would
like
to
recommend
that.
Well,
put
it
to
this
Council
for
noting
Mr
Mayor,
that
this
is
what
was
agreed
by
the
cabinet,
taking
legal
advice
from
the
monitoring
officer
that
it
is
our
job
from
our
council
plan
to
agree
what
our
performance
monitoring
kpis
are.
O
O
O
On
average,
over
the
past
years,
we've
been
cutting
down
730
trees
a
year,
so
we're
losing
330
trees
a
year,
and
we
asked
as
a
as
a
council
for
it
to
go
back
to
security
with
the
view
and
perhaps
the
not
unrealistic
expectation
that
that
Target
will
come
back
a
little
bit.
Stronger,
it'd,
be
more
ambitious
and
actually
what's
happened
is
that
that
Target
has
disappeared,
there's
no
longer
a
tree
planting
Target.
O
So
despite
us
all
saying,
we
wanted
a
tougher
and
more
ambitious,
a
more
stringent
Target
for
planting
trees,
considering
our
ecological
emergency
and
our
climate
emergency.
What
we've
ended
up
with
is
no
target
at
all
for
trees
and
I.
I
know
from
from
my
colleagues
who
attended
scrutiny
that
specific
recommendations
were
made
about
that.
So
it's
very
disappointing
to
to
hear
that
these
recommendations
that
we
as
a
council,
requested
that
the
scrutiny
committee
themselves
requested
have
just
not
not
made
it
into
the
scorecard.
P
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
Mayor,
Yes,
actually
I'm
just
going
to
back
up
on
the
trees.
It's
I
was
looking
at
it
as
something
I'm,
quite
passionate
about,
and
certainly
seeing
the
fact
that
that
the
figure
for
saying
we
will
plant
400
trees,
which
is
admirable,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that.
P
That's
excellent,
but
certainly
I
know
when
I
had
gone
out
in
the
ward
with
the
officers
who
look
after
the
trees,
they
informed
me
that
the
way
trees
are
measured
in
Wards
is
by
canopy
cover,
and
this
was
a
suggestion
we
put
forward
because
in
actual
fact
that
it
may
well
be
easier
for
officers
to
track
now,
as
I
say
when
I
went
and
looked
at
the
figures,
obviously
we're
not
now
looking
at
the
same
document,
we
looked
at
in
scrutiny.
We're
looking
at
something
that's
been
altered
that
a
lot
of
the
recommendations
we
made.
P
Some
of
them
were
about
corrections.
Those
Corrections
do
appear
to
have
been
done,
but
some
of
the
other
recommendations
I'm
just
at
a
losses
to
what
actually
the
feedback
is
on
them.
I
respect
what
council
bouncer
said:
I've
I
will
go
back
and
have
another
look,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
we
actually
got
answers
to
every
recommendation
and
why
they
might
not
be
on
there.
Thank
you.
Q
Thank
you,
chair,
Mr,
Matt,
sorry,
my
concern,
I
was
sitting
on
this
committee
on
scrutiny
as
a
substitute
and
I'm,
actually
amazed
when
I
look
at
this
paper,
because
it
just
doesn't
reflect
the
debate
that
we
had
and
there
was
a
really
long
debate
and
really
considered
debate,
and
it
was
a
cross
party
and
one
of
the
debates
we
had
is
on
the
tree
canopy
and
we
talked
about
what
we
wanted
as
a
scrutiny,
and
it
was
that
we
wanted
a
canopy
cover
and
it
was
on
a
walled
by
walled
basis.
Q
It
doesn't
even
reflect
that
in
this
paper
there
were
so
many
things
that
we
wanted
to
see
within
this.
This
kpis-
and
none
of
this
is
in
this
document
and
it
may
be
nice.
The
cabinet
have
decided
this,
but
we
as
scrutiny
have
done
a
lot
of
work
and
we
expect
cabinet
to
take
Serious.
The
recommendations
we
made
and
one
of
them
that
was
was
made
is
one
of
the
recommendations
is
ISE
08,
which
is
on
the
minimum
level
of
rough
sleepers.
Q
In
the
borough,
we
had
a
massive
Commitment,
if
you
remember
historically
from
the
cabinet
member
for
housing
Tristan,
and
he
said
he
was
saying
he
wouldn't
accept
any
rough
sleepers
and
then
we've
had
tonight
the
commitment
from
the
council
leader
that
that's
the
case,
but
the
kpi
is
that
you'll
accept
too
and
what
we
said
as
cap
as
members
that
we
wanted
no
rough
sleepers
in
the
borough.
Why
would
we
accept
two?
If
our
Target
is
that
we
want
none?
Why
are
we
putting
two
in
there?
Q
There
is
so
many
things
that
we
wanted
to
see
in
there
there's
no
mention
of
fly
tipping.
You
make
reference
to
bins,
and
contamination
and
I
know
across
each
world
that
there
is
an
issue
in
relation
to
Flats
and
bins
being
contaminated
in
large,
these
large
blocks
of
flats-
and
we
made
reference
to
that
and
we
wanted
that
to
be
broken
down.
So
we
could
know
where
the
contamination
was.
Q
In
relation
to
bed
and
breakfast,
there
is
a
kpi
for
the
number
of
weeks
that
somebody
is
in
bed
and
breakfast
and
it
is
up
to
six
weeks
and
after
that,
it's
counted
after
six
weeks.
But
what
we
wanted
to
know
are
people
in
bed
and
breakfast
for
five
weeks
and
six
days,
and
we
wanted
some
reference
to
understanding
how
that
breaks
down.
Again.
That's
not
there
if
you
want
scrutiny
or
if
we
want
scrutiny
as
a
council
which
we're
are
told
we
do,
and
we
want
effective
scrutiny.
Q
It's
not
for
the
cabinet
to
ignore
that.
We
need
to
find
a
way
of
if
we
make
these
discussions
and
have
these
debate-
and
we
take
this
seriously,
then
it's
with
a
cabinet
to
reflect
that
they
have
heard
and
if
they
have
have
heard
it's
or
if
they
aren't
going
to
do
what
we
said.
They
need
to
be
accountable
and
in
this
document
before
us
tonight,
it
should
reflect
that.
Q
F
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I'm
gonna
tackle
a
slightly
different
subject
area
page
two
with
a
small
card.
There's
a
Target
there,
which
says
percentage
increase
in
household
waste,
recycled
targets
27.
So
these
figures
are
a
little
bit
vague.
If
I'm
honest
to
you,
are
we
actually
stating
in
that
that
we
are
going
to
increase
our
Target?
F
Are
we
saying
we're
going
to
increase
that
by
27
of
the
30
that
we've
got
already
or
are
we
saying
we're
going
to
add
27
to
30
and
have
a
57
recycle
rate?
And
if
so,
have
we
really,
astonishingly
achieved
such
a
massive
step?
Increase
we've
achieved
half
of
what
the
target
was,
but
that
would
still
be
a
bigger
increase
than
we'd
had
in
the
previous
10
years,
because
our
recycle
rate
is
flatlined
well.
F
F
We
should
be
recycling,
two-thirds
of
all
our
waste
and
I,
don't
see
a
plan
or
a
pathway
for
us
to
get
there,
and
we
should
aspire
to
do
this
because
it
will
help
us
achieve
our
2030
climate
emergency
Target,
and
it's
also
something
we
need
to
be
cognizant
of.
If
we're
going
for
net
biodiversity
gain
as
well,
we
should
be
recycling
more.
We
should
not
be
committing
waste
to
the
incinerator
where
it's
not
doing
us
very
much
good
apart
from
generating
a
bit
of
electricity.
F
D
James,
thank
you.
Mayor
I'm
I,
listened
to
the
party
political
broadcast
by
councilor
bound
a
few
moments
ago,
where
the
cabinet
have
used
their
single
mind
to
say
that
we
are
quite
happy
to
Mark
our
own
homework
and
I'm
quite
appalled
that
the
sole
justification
in
this
document
remaining
as
it
does,
and
and
not
driven
by
scrutiny,
but
instead
driven
by
the
cabinet,
the
cabinet
who
make
the
policies
the
cabinet,
who
are
single-mindedly
focused
on
protecting
every
vulnerable
person,
fighting
climate
change.
D
That
Council
abounds
words,
so
you'd
think
that
if
they
were
confident
in
delivering
what
they
are
single-mindedly
committed
to
delivering,
they
would
welcome
the
toughest
set
of
performance
measures
available
to
this
Council.
So
we
could
hold
their
feet
to
the
fire.
Instead,
what
we
have
is
cabinet
have
agreed
to
water
down
what
screws
you
requested
make
it
a
little
bit
easier.
Now,
I've
sat
on
the
performance
panel.
D
I've
sat
on
scrutiny,
never
sat
on
the
cabinet
because
of
course,
that's
just
conservatives
only
and
what
I
note
is
when
we
go
through
the
performance
panel,
we
tend
to
look
at
the
Reds,
the
ambers,
not
the
green.
So
if
you
don't
have
a
Target
in
there,
you
don't
look
at
it.
If
you
remove
the
tree
Target,
you
never
look
at
it.
If
you
make
it
an
easy
target,
you
never
look
at
it.
So
you
never
have
that
challenge.
We
should
have
challenging
performance
measures
in
place
now.
D
I,
don't
know
how
we
work
this
accountable,
because,
obviously
the
recommendation
is
to
note
it
and
I'm
not
happy
about
noting
it,
because
it's
still
not
right
and
I
appreciate
it's
been
backwards
and
forwards.
We
haven't
got
it
right
yet,
but
it's
worth
getting
right.
Otherwise,
it's
useless,
so
I
would
suggest
an
amendment
to
the
recommendation
to
note
the
2020,
223
corporate
performance,
monitoring
scorecard
and
at
a
second
bullet
point,
also
recording
that
it's
not
good
enough
and
should
be
returned
to
screws
need
for
further
work.
C
C
A
Thank
you,
Mr.
May
it
was
just
to
come
back
briefly
briefly
to
you
that
I
can
see.
Many
people
have
raised
just
to
reassure
everybody
that,
following
the
discussions
that
were
had
at
scrutiny
about
that
tree,
kpi
I
did
have
a
long,
detailed
briefing
from
officers
around
that
and
we
are,
as
a
Cabinet,
absolutely
focused
on
getting
the
right
kpi
when
it
comes
to
trees.
It's
not
as
simple
just
to
say
we
chopped
down
793,
so,
let's
plant
793,
it
doesn't
work
like
that.
There's
a
lot
more
work
that
has
to
go
into
it.
A
There's
other
ways
that
we
can
look
at
Carbon
offsetting.
Trees
are
definitely
something
that
we're
focused
on,
but
we
have
got
officers
looking
at
that
in
detail,
but
it's
getting
the
kpi
right,
so
it's
not
being
ignored
and
actually
the
leader
at
cabinet,
when
that
point
came
up,
did
say
that
it
is
being
looked
at
and
will
form
part
of
the
new
council
plan
work,
that's
great,
isn't
it
and
on
the
recycling
side
of
things
we
are
looking
at
that
at
the
moment
and
we
are
doing
works.
A
We
I
agree
with
councilor
McCormick
that
recycling
is
much
better
than
incineration.
My
view
and
I
don't
think
it's
a
secret.
Is
we're
not
going
to
get
oh
we're
cycling
up
much
past
30
with
weekly
Collections
and
that's
something
that
we
need
to
continue
to
look
at,
especially
with
climate
change
and
the
climate
emergency.
Continuing
to
you
know
play
a
big
part
in
all
of
our
Lives
now,
so
recycling
is
definitely
again
on
the
agenda
and
we're
continuing
to
look
at
that
and
how
we
can
increase
those
rates.
R
Thank
you
mayor.
What
I'm
getting
up
to
say
is
that,
as
chair
of
scrutiny,
I've
tried
to
bring
everybody
a
little
knock,
knock
cross.
You
know
cross
party,
not
party
for
little
political,
but
I.
Don't
think
the
cabinet
appreciates
that
to
be
perfectly
honest,
because
it
hasn't
only
come
from
this
side.
It's
come
from
your
side
as
well
and
I.
Don't
think
you've
answered
the
questions
enough
I'll
be
honest
with
you.
It's
hard
enough
to
chair
the
meeting.
R
There's
a
few
from
your
side
may
agree
with
me
on
that
in
recent
times,
but
we're
trying
to
get
things
done
for
basingstop
and
Dean,
not
for
Tony,
Jones
or
chair
or
them
I
was
going
to
use
nice
language,
but
we
need
to
start
talking
and
I'm
sorry
you're
right
there
up.
You
know
I've,
retired,
sometimes
and
listen
to
your
speech
earlier,
but
I
thought
well.
I
thought
you're
below
a
lot
of
party
political
conference
was
gone,
but
listening
to
it,
it's
propaganda.
Tell
us
where
you're
coming
tell
us
what
you're
doing.
R
If
we
don't
like
it,
we
can
always
vote
against
it,
but
what's
happening
now,
it's
not
good
politics
for
boys,
and
so
indeed,
and
I-
think
councilors
of
all
parties
ought
to
recognize
what
we're
here
for
we're,
not
here
to
get
you
lot
something
through
and
that's
a
lot
against.
We've
got
to
start
doing
things
so
we're
well
off.
As
a
council
I
can't
see
it
at
the
moment.
I'll
be
perfectly
honest.
R
I've
been
around
quite
a
while
a
lot
of
stuff
we
used
to
do
we
don't
do
different
reasons,
different
things,
we're
not
thinking
about
the
people
and
I'm.
Sorry,
we
push
this
through
three
times
at
scrutiny.
We've
got
a
panel
set
up
and
and
I
think
to
myself.
Well,
why
did
we
sit
there
with
that
agenda
on
that
night?
Which
was
full,
so
you
can't
get
it
through.
So
you
go
to
the
cabinet
with
recommendations.
I
should
have
just
said:
no
I
can't
do
it
dealt
with
it.
R
S
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Mayor
I'm
actually
going
to
talk
pretty
much
about
what
councilor
Jones
has
just
spoken
about.
I'm
frustrated,
I'm,
a
new
counselor
five
months
into
the
job
and
all
I
see,
is
a
process
that
seems
to
be
a
front
for
smoke
and
mirrors
at
the
end
of
councilor
Cuba's
term.
She
talked
about
upholding
democracy
and
that
that's
why
we
are
here
is
to
uphold
democracy
for
our
residents.
S
Many
people
have
sat
here
tonight
and
said
that
they're
not
willing
to
support
this
report,
I'm
not
willing
to
support
it
purely
because
people
have
been
asking
for
changes
asking
for
discussion
to
be
had,
and
that's
not
happened.
It
seems
that
we
can
just
give
things
to
cabinet
and
they
will
push
things
through
and
that's
all
that
seems
to
be
happening.
S
I
spoke
about
it
at
cabinet
recently,
with
some
of
the
agenda
items
that
you've
passed
through
there,
I'm
not
willing
to
put
up
with
it
anymore,
it's
frustrating
and,
quite
frankly,
as
a
as
a
counselor,
that's
newly
elected.
It
doesn't
bode
well
for
the
future
of
this
Borough.
If,
if
that's
the
way
we're
going.
C
D
I
I
I
would
passionately
like
members
in
this
chamber
to
realize
how
much
consideration
went
into
every
recommendation
if
you
are
present
in
cabinet
or
if
you
had
watched
cabinets
on
YouTube,
you
would
have
heard
me
go
through
every
recommendation
and
whether
it
was
changed
and
and
lots
of
them
were
whether
we
had
considered
it
and
what
we
thought.
The
issues
with
it
were
and
I
think
about
what
council
Reacher
said
as
far
as
the
trees,
where
it's
only
too
easy
for
us,
isn't
it
to
say?
I
Actually
we
think
the
answer
is
percentage
increase
in
canopy
well,
I
believe
passionately
to
do
the
right
thing
for
our
residents,
but
what
we
need
to
do
is
speak
to
the
experts,
have
I
thought
about
that
one
particular
kpi.
My
response
was
on
behalf
of
the
cabinet.
We
want
to
talk
to
people
who
know
about
that
stuff.
I
So
every
one
of
those
recommendations
was
listened
to
and
I
am
more
than
happy
to
support
this
motion,
because
I
would
love
everybody
in
scrutiny
and
I,
who
I'm
more
than
happy
to
come
back
to
respond
to
all
of
those
recommendations
and
talk
you
through
what
the
what
happened
to
the
scorecards,
how
it
was
received
and
what
investigations
happened
and
actually
what
I'd
like
to
do
with
it
as
a
leader
going
forward
to
make
sure
this
is
truly
robust
and
effective
to
make
a
difference
for
our
Borough.
Thank
you.
Mr
Mayor.
E
You
Mr
Mayor
just
a
couple
of
quick
points.
If
I
may,
the
point
about
the
trees
is
fascinating
because
one
of
the
things
that
was
drawn
out,
not
just
in
the
first
meeting,
but
the
second
meeting
was
that
we
have
a
number
of
strategies
on
the
books
in
this
Council,
for
example,
the
green
infrastructure
strategy,
in
which
we
have
a
lot
of
kpis,
in
which
the
three
canopy
is
a
fundamental
part
of
the
green
infrastructure
strategy.
E
Therefore,
it
has
a
very
relevant
kpi
to
this
point,
so
I
hear
what
the
leader
says,
but
we
have
a
strategy
in
black
and
white
that
simply
sets
of
kpis
that
we
should
be
following,
and
that
is
very
relevant
to
the
debate
that
we
had
because,
as
Ward
councilors
and
members
sat
around
the
security
committee,
we
felt
that
was
an
important
point.
We
wanted
the
cabinet
to
take
on
board
and
I
get
it.
The
executive
can
settle
the
school.
The
executive
can
decide.
I
understand
that
point.
E
The
point
of
scrutiny
is
to
hold
your
feet
to
the
fire
and
when
that
doesn't
work,
as
you
rightly
say,
we
should
be
able
to
come
back
on
you
and
we
should
be
able
to
push
you
and
we're
going
to
carry
on
doing
that
and
that's
I
think
the
pointer,
councilor
James
is
amendments
and
I
sort
of
support
it.
In
those
terms,
the
point
about
the
homelessness
strategy,
the
point
about
rough
sleeping
is
well
made.
This
cabinet
has
a
publicly
adopted
position
of
zero,
so
why,
in
the
world,
is
the
kpi
differentiated
from
that?
E
Why
are
you
deviating
from
that
point?
The
kpi
should
match
what
you
say
publicly
and
if
it
doesn't
again,
your
feet
should
be
held
to
the
fire
and
why
in
the
world,
are
you
setting
two
standards
for
yourself,
one
to
the
public
out
there,
but
be
lenient
to
yourself
in
here
on
your
own
kpi?
That
does
not
add
up.
So
there
were
a
couple
of
points,
I
think
where
we
continue
to
disagree
and
as
worthy
of
scrutiny,
because
the
scrutiny
committee
hasn't
had
the
response.
C
C
J
Just
I
was
just
going
to
comment:
Mr
Mayor,
you
already
said
we
have
a
very
busy
agenda
tonight
and
long
work
program
if
we
had
to
bring
papers
to
council
that
we
are
to
note,
then
may
I
suggest
that
we
don't
bother
bringing
them
to
council
that
we
note
them
if
we
can't
unnote
them,
otherwise
we're
just
elected
as
nodding
dogs.
Here.
Thank
you.
R
Just
to
say
that
we
have
set
up
a
panel
and
it's
crossed
paths
here
and
we
will
be
looking
to
it
very
deeply.
So
if
the
public
are
listening,
we're
just
not
playing
games,
we
are
looking
at
it
really
seriously
and
I
obviously
believe
we
can
look
at
it
a
lot
better
with
a
smaller
group
of
people.
So
if
that
settles
anybody's
mind,
hopefully.
C
Arrangements
General
number
13
arrangements
for
the
role
of
returning
officer
and
electoral
registration
officer
reporter
the
chief
executive.
Again
I
am
moving
this
from
the
chair.
C
C
T
You
Mr
Mayor
I
would
like
to
congratulate
the
parish
council
and
neighborhood
plans
chair
and
committee
on
the
making
of
this
plan.
So
the
council
recognizes
and
comments
the
significant
time
and
effort
put
by
the
local
community
over
the
recent
years
to
develop
this
plan
and
congratulate
them
on
the
referendum
results
where
93
percent
of
the
residents
voted
in
favor
of
the
plan,
which
is
a
great
detail
for
the
work
they're
put.
T
So
this
is
Laura's
12th
neighborhood
plan
and
the
council
will
continue
to
support
neighborhood
plans
which
enables
local
communities
to
have
their
say
how
how
they
would
like
to
treat
the
neighborhood
and
ensure
the
development
meets
their
needs.
So
we
we
will
be
working
with
the
local
communities
on
developing
further
neighborhood
plans.
Thank
you.
Mr
Mayor.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
I'm,
happy
to
Second
there
I'm
very
proud
that
I've
lived
in
the
the
parish
for
over
20
years.
It
is
the
pictures,
don't
do
it
justice.
It
is
a
fantastic
parish
and
I'm
delighted
that
this
is
in
front
of
you
today
as
a
hopefully
an
adopted
neighborhood
plan.
L
L
I
can
confirm
that
in
appendix
13
I
have
slept
with
one
of
the
steering
committee
but
she's
my
wife
I,
don't
see
this
a
major
issue,
I
I'm
delighted
to
bring
this
to
you.
We've
got
areas
that
are
triple
sis
like
the
Ashford
Hill,
Nature
Reserve,
and
the
water
Meadow
and
I
would
encourage
all
of
you
to
come
out
to
it,
see
it
and
remember
if
you're
on
DC,
that
some
of
these
things
need
to
be
retained
and
will
be
in
line
with
the
neighborhood
plan.
U
I
would
probably
like
to
thank
the
parish
council
of
Ashford
Hill
and
had
the
for
all
their
hard
work,
along
with
the
steering
committee,
okay
and
also
local
residents,
taking
part
in
the
successful
recommendation
in
support
of
this
neighborhood
plan
and
I
look
forward
to
its
successful
adoption
by
this
Council.
Thank
you.
V
Thank
you,
I
just
wanted
to
to
note
after
councilor
Vatican
speech
that
perhaps
he
wasn't
quite
as
respectful
to
the
north
Wessex
down
aomb
in
whitchurch,
when
he
invited
me
to
meet
some
developers
in
which
church
train
station
a
couple
of
years
ago.
C
F
You
Mr
Mayor,
well,
I
I,
commend
this
impressive
body
of
work.
For
you
know
a
small
settlement
with
some
very
dedicated,
hard-working
people
in
it.
F
I
had
to
do
a
double,
take
and
look
to
page
170
and
I
saw
an
area
with
a
red
boundary
on
it
because
being
of
reserve
on
DC
in
former
DC
member.
That's
normally
the
area
in
which
You're
Building
within,
isn't
it
that
I
had
to
do
a
double
take
on
that
one,
and
also
on
page
172.
It
appears
that
there's
a
settlement
policy
boundary
there,
that's
already
been
built
outside
of
I
hope
that
doesn't
cause
any
future
problems.
F
But
yeah
I
mean
it's
it's
great
to
see.
Pieces
of
work
like
this
come
together
and
I
would
dearly
love
to
see
similar
bodies
of
work
and
Community
plans
being
put
forward
from
our
urban
areas.
But
the
trouble
is
because
urban
areas
are
not
perished.
We
do
find
it
very
hard
to
get
the
right,
dedicated
people
and
it
has
been
a
bit
of
a
hit
and
miss
approach
in
the
town,
but
certainly
we
could
avoid
a
lot
of
the
mistakes
that
have
been
made
in
the
past
few
years.
G
C
I'd
like
to
Echo
the
Endeavors
of
the
producers
of
that
neighborhood
planned
because
it
takes
a
lot
of
dedicated
work,
a
lot
of
time
from
a
lot
of
people
who
are
volunteering
to
contribute
to
them.
X
W
W
Protect
our
environment,
I've
heard
from
I'll,
learn
it
to
cancer
from
Hadley
about
the
SSO
eyes,
and
this
this
is
not
safe.
This
this
idea
of
offsetting
the
little
land
into
other
other
areas
is
not
safe.
W
We've
got,
we've
got
it
in
Britain
here
the
identified
impact
is
currently
subject
to
Work
Commission
by
the
local
plan
authorities
in
association
of
Natural
England
and
the
environment
agents
and
water
companies,
as
such
uncertainty
remains
as
to
the
potential
for
future
housing
developments
across
the
solvent
region
to
exacerbate
these
impacts,
creating
a
risk
to
the
Future
conservation
status.
Now,
how
safe
is
that
I
mean
this
cabinet
was
rolled
over
and
allowed
this?
That's
the
thin
end
of
the
wedge.
W
If,
if
nothing
else,
this
offsetting
should
be
in
the
same
ward
else
will
have
County
Wide
Country-Wide
offsetting
for
developers
to
to
build
wherever
they
want
I'm
just
against
it,
I'm
sure
the
mayor's
listening
but
he's
talking.
C
E
Harvey,
thank
you.
Mr
I'm,
going
to
pick
up
my
Council
for
limo
left
off,
because
there
isn't
just
this
particular
example
and
I'd
like
to
talk
in
the
generality
rather
than
the
example
in
front
of
the
specifics
of
the
paper.
If
we're
going
to
have
carbon
reduction
Targets
in
this
Authority
and
we
are
going
to
declare
a
climate
change,
emergency
or
an
ecological
emergency,
and
then
we're
going
to
say,
but
we
can't
meet
the
target
so
we're
going
to
offset
it
by
basically
having
somebody
else
take
up
that
for
us.
E
The
cabinet
have
agreed
this
in
their
papers
recently
and
also
we
at
DC
were
told.
We
could
not
take
a
certain
course
of
action
because
of
the
way
the
executive
have
decided.
They
took
the
power
out
of
their
hands,
which
was
rather
unfortunate
in
that
circumstance,
basically,
what
we're
saying
is,
and
it's
not
all
offsetting-
is
offsetting.
Not
all
carbon
reduction
is
carbon
reduction.
E
Some
of
it
is
a
get
out
of
jail
card
that
enables
developers
and
others
effectively
to
continue
polluting
and
continue
doing
the
very
thing
we
said
we
wouldn't
want
as
part
of
a
climate
change
emergency.
So
unless
we
get
a
grip
of
what
we
mean
by
offsetting
and
I
did
note
in
the
cabinet
papers,
they
were
talking
about
a
range
of
things,
including
the
very
offsetting
we
do
not
want
where
it
does
allow
developers
to
get
away
with
it.
E
I
would
think
we
need
to
review
that
I
do
think
there
needs
to
be
scrutiny
of
that
decisions
and
I
think
on
the
basis
of
that,
if
this
is
going
to
go
through,
let's
have
a
recorded
vote.
I
appreciate
this
decision
in
DC,
but
I
just
like
to
put
it
on
the
record
about
how
we
feel
about
this
I
think,
particularly
because
of
that
point.
If
the
executive
are
going
to
make
decisions
as
important
as
that,
it's
going
to
tie
another
committee's
hands.
E
Y
Yes,
good
evening,
Mr
Mayor
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
I
support
what
council
for
the
Moore
and
Council
Harvey
say
with
regards
to
offsetting
I
think
it's
wholly
inappropriate
way
to
deal
with
the
true
problems
and
the
true
commitments
that
we've
made
and
I
believe.
It's
a
giant
Ponzi
scheme
and
I
I
think
it's
absolutely
not
acceptable
for
this
Council
going
forward
to
claim,
on
the
one
hand,
that
it's
meeting
its
climate
targets
and
then
to
be
engaging
in
Ponzi
schemes.
K
Thank
you,
Mr
Matt,
yeah,
I,
understand
the
concerns
of
the
three
previous
speakers
have
made,
but
two
three
four
years
ago,
I
couldn't
get
anything
any
planning
application
through
In
This
Very
born
in
the
Bourne
Valley,
because
the
nitrate
strategy.
Frankly,
it
was
a
bit
of
a
Bag
of
Nails
and
we
couldn't
get
anything
through
natural
income
because
they
weren't
quite
sure
what
an
offset
strategy
was
and
I
have
one
case
where
there
was
a
disused
garage
which
was
perfect
for
building
a
house.
K
But
there
was
not
enough
land
to
do
what
was
then
becoming
the
norm,
which
was
to
plant
trees
and
stuff
to
give
you
that
nitrate
offset
and
those
poor
people
never
ever
was
able
to
build
a
house
and
that
concrete
garage
base
stands
there
to
this
day.
So
the
whole
strategy
was
flawed
from
day
one,
but
this
was
one
route
which
is
not
perfect
by
any
means,
but
it
was
the
only
route
that
we
could
get
planning
applicant
applications
through
in
the
test,
Valley
area.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
well,
offsetting
reasons
for
ugly
head
again.
We
had
a
cabinet
I
spoke
about
it
in
cabinet,
I.
Think
it's
a
dangerous,
dangerous
road
to
go
on.
Basically,
we
need
to
have
real
reductions.
We
need
to
have
real
nitrate
mitigations.
We
need
to
have
real
biodiversity
gains
this.
This
idea
of
horse
trading
is,
is
it's
an
illusion?
It's
it's
smoke
and
mirrors
interesting
to
note.
F
Councilor
Harvey
was
present
at
that
DC
meeting
and
would
have
voted
on
this
I'm
struggling
to
see
what
the
record
of
that
vote
was,
if,
indeed,
it
was
recorded
and
whether
he'll
be
voting
differently
tonight
or
how
he
voted
back
then,
and
but
I
think
when
we
consider
what
what
we're
looking
at
with
offsets
I
think
we
have
to
realize
that
some
of
the
schemes
we're
looking
at
for
offsetting
it's
an
emission
of
failure,
because
we
haven't
achieved
the
real
improvements,
so
we're
trying
to
offset
them
against
something
else.
Thank
you.
E
As
I
was
named
by
the
auth
by
the
member,
can
I
just
clarify,
that's
my
point
and
thank
you
for
making
the
point
counselor
McCormick
at
DC
when
we
had
the
last
application.
At
the
last
meeting,
we
felt
as
if
the
power
had
been
taken
out
of
our
hands
to
decide
that,
because
of
the
actions
of
the
executive-
and
you
were
quite
right
to
raise
it
at
the
cabinet
and
then
you
were
quite
right
to
say
what
you
said,
because
it
is
a
serious
issue.
E
C
S
Thank
you
very
much,
Mr
Smith,
I'm,
probably
not
going
to
say
as
eloquently
as
everybody
else
this
evening
test
valley
just
had
a
quick
look.
It's
about
the
same
square
mileage
as
what
basins
token
Dean
is
250
square
miles,
I'm
struggling
to
understand
why
they
don't
have
their
own
offset
place
that
they
can
put
this
nitrate
Becca's
belief
that
we're
having
to
use
land
in
our
Borough
to
offset
somebody
else's
mistakes.
S
N
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
I've
sat
on
DC
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
we've
had
this
issue
come
up
a
few
times
most
recently
a
couple
of
last
week.
I
think
it
was
it's.
N
It
is
an
ongoing
issue,
but
I'm
sure
you've
all
heard
this
phrase
before
possibly
even
coming
out
of
my
mouth,
but
you
can't
offset
your
way
out
of
a
climate
emergency
I
very
much
agree
with
councilor
Cube
that
she
spoke
with
her
usual.
A
plum
and
I
really
appreciate
hearing
hearing
that
level
of
support
for
climate
issues
coming
from
the
other
side
of
the
chamber,
because
sometimes
it
does
feel
like
we're
shouting
to
the
void
somewhat.
As
for
what
council
Falconer
has
said,
the
issue
isn't
that
we
can't
get
things
built.
N
I
do
appreciate
having
sat
on
this
either
it
can
be
difficult.
Sometimes
the
issue
is
that
we're
offsetting
in
different
boroughs.
So
if
you
have
concerns
around
it,
we
can
still
come
up
with
a
different
policy
that
is
fit
for
purpose
that
doesn't
just
shift
the
problem
around
different
areas
of
the
country.
So
I
I
would
like
to
see
a
better
strategy
developed
to
allow
that
in
future.
X
I
I
It
is
our
view
and
the
view
of
the
cabinet
that
everybody's
right
to
say
that
offsetting
has
had
a
very
bad
press
and
and
I
think
for
many
of
those
schemes.
Quite
rightly
so.
There
is
a
reality,
though
that
says
when
we
have
looked
really
closely
at
how
do
we
do
the
right
thing
for
our
environment?
We
have
taken
some
expert
advice
to
follow
the
Oxford
principles
for
Net
Zero
to
have
aligned
carbon
offsetting.
I
Those
schemes
naturally
are
in
scare
Supply
that
meet
the
absolute
best
practice
and
we
are
engaged
in
an
activity
to
develop
and
grow
some
initiatives
that
are
not
only
in
this
country,
but
actually
are
more
local
because,
as
lots
of
people
have
raised,
we
don't
want
to
have
all
sorts
of
offsetting
for
all
sorts
of
authorities
and
all
sorts
of
different
places
across
this
country.
So
we're
very
focused
on
using
high
quality
offsets
regularly
revising
offsetting
strategies
so
best
practices
evolving.
I
Every
day
that
we
are
doing
everything
in
our
power,
we
have
already
reduced
our
carbon
net
emissions
by
66
since
2019
to
do
everything
with
those
offsetting
initiatives
for
carbon
removal
offsetting
not
just
mitigating
and
absolutely
do
everything
that
we
can.
We've
heard
Lots
in
the
Press
about
peat
Boggs.
There
are
other
ways
to
do
that
more
locally,
so
that
we
do
absolutely
everything
we
can
to
shift
to.
Long
lived
storage
for
carbon,
so
be
under.
I
No
doubt
how
serious
we
are
to
mitigate
the
damage
that
we
do
as
human
beings
every
day
where
there
are
currently
some
technologies
that
do
not
exist
to
do.
Everything
that
we
are
ambitious
to
achieve.
I
would
also
just
be
really
clear:
let's
not
conflate
what
we
are
doing
as
an
executive
with
what
is
proposed
in
this
paper
as
far
as
Ox
drove
and
picket
piece.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Mayor
thank.
E
You
can
I
asked
the
legal
officer
for
an
opinion
on
the
decision
in
front
of
us
based
upon
the
debate.
We've
had
I.
Think
we've
heard
our
concerns
very
seriously,
but
I
do
think
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
legal
officer
of
the
decision.
That's
in
front
of
us.
Z
Sorry,
Council
Harvey
in
terms
of
the
decision
you
might
be
taking
tonight
well
in
in
the
report.
It
states
what
the
options
analysis
is.
So
if
you
decide
that
you're
not
that
the
council
shouldn't
be
a
party
to
the
section
106
agreement,
then
we
just
need
to
go
back
to
test
valley
and
take
some
advice
on
it.
I
think
some
Specialists
advice
on
it.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
I
generally
have
no
problems
with
offsetting.
L
I
understand
the
principles
that
behind
it,
but
I
is
important
that
we
as
a
Borough,
encourage
through
government
or
ourselves
that
we
consume
our
own
smoke.
Each
district
and
each
Borough
should
be
doing,
should
be
doing
that
because
it
will
customize
what
they're
building
in
their
own
area
to
their
ability
to
offset
that
that
carbon,
so
I
would
just
urge
us
all
to
continue
to
pressure
those
that
lead
our
councils
across
Hampshire
and
to
to
think
about
what
they
can
do
in
their
own
patch.
C
Right
this
has
been
moved
executive
from
the
chair.
I
get
a
sense
that
there's
needs
to
be
an
electronic
vote
on
this
particular
issue.
C
L
C
AA
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
good
evening
members.
This
motion
seeks
a
commitment
to
achieve
a
local
plan
that
will
be
derived
from
the
wishes
and
the
needs
of
the
existing
residents
in
the
borough
and
provide
the
growth
required
to
meet
our
boroughs
overall
needs.
AA
Our
existing
local
plan
is
robust
and
was
obviously
proved
Sound
by
the
planning
inspectorate,
but
it
needs
a
review
to
enhance
particularly
the
essential
underlying
threats
of
the
climate
and
ecological
emergencies.
Many
of
the
policies
might
need
tweaking,
but
I,
don't
believe.
A
total
rewrite
is
totally
necessary.
AA
Over
the
last
year,
a
lot
of
work
was
completed
by
a
number
of
counselors
to
work
through
the
draft
policies.
Unfortunately,
this
was
simply
stopped
by
the
then
portfolio
holder,
and
this
was
a
key
factor
adding
to
the
will
to
pause
the
process.
Given
we
were
working
at
such
a
pace
to
meet
the
reg
18
guideline
or
deadline.
AA
Previous
draft
policies
did
not
meet
members
expectations
and
the
needs
for
their
local
communities
and
the
borough
as
a
whole.
Disagreement
emerged
with
the
draft
rural
strategy
and
the
Town
Center
strategies.
The
Regeneration
policies
were
not
seen
as
satisfactory
compared
with
our
existing
local
plan
policies.
AA
Members
do
want
to
help
with
these
policies.
We
have
a
large
pool
of
talent
within
the
borough
with
within
bdbc
its
officers
members,
but
we
mustn't
forget
our
parishes
and
our
communities.
A
community-led
approach
is
required.
Now,
as
we
are
paused,
then
it
is
time
to
engage
with
the
communities,
the
wards,
the
parishes
and
neighborhood
development
plan
teams
to
establish
the
actual
needs
across
the
borough.
AA
Let
us
establish
the
true
needs,
identify
the
infrastructure
needs
and
deficits
and
learn
what
it
is
like
living
day
to
day
in
our
communities.
Let
us
derive
the
housing
numbers
from
the
on
the
ground
research.
We
need
to
check
the
infrastructure,
the
water
and
sewage.
The
water
concerns
are
pretty
well
another
emergency,
all
of
their
own.
From
what
we
have
learned
transport.
The
county
have
recently
been
active
at
last,
but
it's
only
outlining
their
future
studies.
AA
Schools
are
there
enough:
are
they
in
the
right
place?
Health
retail,
Leisure
workplaces
I
could
go
on,
but
last
but
not
least,
we
must
Define
detailed
policies
to
a
development
Control
process
I
attended
a
recent
planning
hearing
only
on
Tuesday,
which
demonstrated
that
some
of
our
policies
must
not
be
left
to
interpretation.
They
were
torn
apart.
They
were
very
vague.
They
must
be
specific
and
robust,
as
developers
will
twist
our
intentions
I
urge
that
we
bring
back
maps
and
other
working
groups,
including
Community
Representatives.
AA
This
plan
pause
gives
time
for
a
better
quality
of
information
and
reports
to
fill
the
missing
gaps.
So
members
we
have
the
climate
emergency
and
the
ecological
emergency.
Now
energy
has
become
a
major
factor
as
Ward
councilors.
We
all
need
to
step
up
to
this
local
plan
emergency.
We
must
use
our
local
experience
and
our
local
communities
working
with
our
officers
and
across
the
parties
open
to
all
working
together.
So
I
have
no
hesitation
to
commend
this
motion
as
written
on
the
paper
to
this
Council.
Let's
get
on
with
it.
Thank
you,
foreign.
V
No
thanks
good
evening
councilors
if
a
layperson
were
to
read
this
motion,
they'd,
probably
assume
that
this
is
what
happens
today:
communities
electing
Council
representatives
to
shape
local
plans
which
reflect
their
voices.
I
was
elected
in
2016
as
a
labor
member
in
whitchurch,
a
red
wall
hadn't
suddenly
been
erected
in
Northwest
Hampshire.
Far
from
it,
I
was
elected
on
the
the
list
of
margins,
but
just
enough
people
put
their
trust
in
me,
a
friend
and
neighbor
to
represent
them.
V
May
2022
was
a
far
more
convincing
result
and
lots
of
Voters
tell
me
they
prefer
to
vote
for
an
independent
person
in
local
elections.
They
know
I,
won't
be
compromised
by
national
policy
party
whips
and
that
my
service
is
100
to
our
community.
I
feel
much
more
confident
standing
here
on
that
basis
and
I'd
recommend
it
for
any
councilor
sat
here
tonight
who
might
be
having
an
identity
crisis
which
church
in
Overton
people
know
all
about
Place
making.
V
In
this
year
alone,
whitchurch
conservation
group
has
secured
200
000
pounds
in
grant
money
to
support
various
environmental,
social
inclusion,
tourism
related
projects
which
church
in
bloom
has
put
in
seriously
hard
graph
to
improve
our
town.
They
were
recently
awarded
silver
guilt
in
their
second
year
and
next
year,
at
aiming
for
gold,
whitchurch
Walkers
are
welcome
and
with
church
conservation
group
have
established
a
tourism
brand
for
whitchurch
working
with
Southwestern
Railways
and
the
north
Wessex
down
aond
to
identify
tourism,
Trends
and
opportunities
for
whip
Church.
V
Sustainable
Overton
is
the
blueprint
for
parishes
leading
the
way
in
their
response
to
the
climate,
emergency,
facilitating
plastic,
free
initiatives
and
Nappy
Library.
A
repair
shop
are
now
becoming
much
more
strategic
in
terms
of
community
energy
projects
and
providing
energy
advice
to
Residents
and
businesses,
open
Overton,
another
great
Consortium
positioning,
Overton
as
a
destination
and
working
together
to
support
shopping
locally.
There
are
so
many
more
examples,
and
no
doubt
all
of
us
can
wax
lyrical
about
volunteers
and
activists
within
our
communities.
V
I
do
have
to
mention
which
church,
volunteers
and
councilors
that
have
spent
hours
following
our
local
Plan,
update
process,
lobbying
the
council
at
eph
and
sharing
their
expertise
with
other
parishes.
The
work
of
my
colleagues
has
been
critical
in
stopping
us
railroading
the
local
plan
based
on
flawed
numbers,
but
it
shouldn't
have
taken
so
long
for
this
Council
to
listen.
We
are
now
as
vulnerable
to
speculation,
as
ever.
V
We
ultimately
need
to
strike
a
fine
balance
if
this
lovely
town
is
to
prosper
in
the
coming
years.
Young
people
need
homes
and
the
locally
agreed
neighborhood
plan
is
designed
to
help
with
that.
But
we
must
also
be
acutely
mindful
of
the
character
of
whitchurch
and
the
protection
of
our
environment,
in
particular
the
aonb.
V
In
my
experience,
local
people
know
best
and
I'm
glad
the
Town,
Council
and
conservation
groups
are
working
with
planners
to
look
at
sites,
constraints
and
issues
and
come
up
with
a
robust
plan.
So
kit
thinks
local
people
knows
best
I.
Suppose
that's
until
he's
supporting
fracking-
and
this
is
my
point
when
the
proverbial
hits
the
fan
remember
why
we
are
sat
here
and
who
we
are
representing
so
I
hope
the
Tories
haven't
taken
a
leaf
out
of
their
parliamentary
party
and
literally
whipped
members
into
shape
tonight.
V
F
Council
McCormick,
thank
you.
Mr
bear
I'm
I'm,
all
in
favor
of
local
determination,
I
have
to
say
I
I
didn't
realize
the
second
who
had
such
traumatic
memories
of
being
whipped
by
Jack
cousins
in
the
previous
group.
He's
not
here
in
the
council
chamber
to
answer
for
his
actions
we'll
best.
Let
that
one
lie.
I
do
have
some
questions
that
hopefully,
will
be
addressed
by
the
Mover,
who
obviously
being
serving
DC
member
and
being
heavy
involved
local
plan.
You
know,
there's
his
bread
Butler
issues
for
him
should
be
at
the
handle.
F
The
mini
stride,
devolve
Powers,
amazing,
Stokes,
track
record
with
planning
decisions
and
appeals.
F
It
looks
like
we
might
risk
the
very
opposite
of
what
he
wants
in
terms
of
things
going
up
to
the
planning
inspector
with
increasing
regularity,
I'd
like
to
hear
his
views
on
that.
It's
a
fine
line
between
doing
crazy
judicial
decisions
locally,
which
I'm
all
in
favor
of
and
making
decisions
that
stand
up
to
Legal
scrutiny
when
a
developer
decides
to
send
them
to
appeal.
Sadly,
we
are
in
a
bit
of
a
difficult
position
on
that,
one
as
we
are
with
our
five-year
housing
Supply.
F
As
well-
and
it
would
be
very
easy
to
say,
let's
abolish
five-year
housing
supplies,
let's
Lobby
the
government
build
less
houses,
but
the
other
end
of
that
which
a
lot
of
people
don't
talk
about
is
the
people
that
can't
speak
for
themselves,
who
are
waiting
for
housing.
We've
got
a
housing
list
of
5
000
people.
How
do
we
address
that
as
a
Borough?
How
can
we
make
sure
that
we
can
build
local
houses
for
our
local
residents?
F
We
also
were
on
a
bit
of
a
sticky
place
in
2012
when
the
council
was
deemed
to
have
broken
the
law
and
setting
its
own
housing
numbers
in
connection
with
many
down
on
the
previous
local
plan.
Are
we
prepared
to
break
the
law
for
a
second
time?
First
time
offenders
get
off
relatively
lightly.
Second
time
offenders
are
recidivists,
that's
all
I
would
have
to
say
on
it.
C
Thank
you,
I'll
advise
you
now.
I
have
eight
speakers
on
the
list.
We
are
time
Limited
in
speaking
time.
If
you
you
can't
all
take
five
minutes,
I'll
tell
you
that
for
nothing.
So
would
the
speakers
consider
that
please
so
that
everybody
gets
a
fair
crack
in
the
whip
this
evening,
councilor
McIntyre.
AB
Thank
you,
Mr
Muir.
This
motion
struck
a
chord
with
me
not
because
of
the
subject,
even
though
it
is
one
dear
to
my
heart,
but
because
the
wording
seemed
so
familiar
and
it
was
familiar.
Mr
Mayor,
you
see,
having
only
been
elected
in
May
I,
have
tried
to
familiarize
myself
with
the
history
behind
our
disproportionate
housing
number
as
part
of
my
research.
I
realized
that
in
2006
BDI
Council
leader
Paul
Harvey
I
proposed
something
very
similar
to
this
motion
before
us.
This
very
evening.
AB
Local
neighborhood
plans,
designed
by
local
people,
identifying
their
issues
should
direct
Council
and
other
agency
resources,
providing
services
that
meet
real
needs,
making
a
difference
to
people's
quality
of
life.
Mr,
Mayor
I
believe
our
local
plan
process
has
been
used
as
a
political
football.
By
some
you
see
when
councilor
Harvey
expressed
those
words.
He
was
the
Borough
Council
leader
of
the
labor
lib
Dem
Coalition
at
the
time.
AB
So
what
you
may
ask-
and
why
do
words
in
2006
matter
today?
Well
Mr,
Mayor.
The
reason
why
those
birds
matter
today
is
because
that
labor
lived
in
Coalition
administration
were
the
ones
who
submitted
the
Strategic
growth
proposal
to
the
labor
government
of
the
time,
which
resulted
in
Basingstoke
and
dim
being
put
forward
as
a
diamond
for
growth
in
the
Southeast
plan.
AB
What
is
this
diamond
for
growth?
I
hear
you
ask.
I
have
the
very
definition
here
from
the
same
Southeast
plan,
the
growth
points
initiative
was
designed
to
provide
support
to
local
communities
who
wish
to
pursue
large-scale
and
sustainable
growth,
including
new
housing,
through
a
partnership
with
government.
Let
me
repeat
that
Mr
Muir,
the
growth
points
initiative
was
designed
to
provide
support
to
local
communities
who
wished
to
pursue
large-scale
and
sustainable
growth,
including
new
housing.
AB
In
2006,
our
conservative
MP
then
Maria
Miller
challenged
then
Prime
Minister
Tony
Blair
over
housing
numbers
in
the
southeast.
Then
Maria
said
today.
The
Prime
Minister
made
it
clear
that
it
is
his
intention
to
force
local
councils
to
cram
more
and
more
houses
into
our
town
onto
our
green
fields
and
into
our
Villages
continuing
to
overload
our
communities
and
undermine
the
quality
of
life
for
local
residents.
AB
Is
it
not
time
for
the
government
to
stop
dumping
thousands
of
homes
on
Basingstoke
and
the
rest
of
the
southeast
and
to
let
local
councils
plan
the
future
of
their
towns
and
villages?
Do
you
know
what
councilor
Harvey's
response
to
that
was
Mr
Mayor?
Well,
the
story
at
the
time
from
The,
basingstop
Gazette
says
it
all.
Council
leader
rebuffs
MP
Borough
Council
leader
Paul
Harvey,
has
rejected
calls
from
Basingstoke
MP
Maria
Miller
to
condemn
the
prime
minister's
stance
on
future
housing
provision
in
North,
Hampshire,
councilor,
Harvey's
own
words.
AB
We
cannot
escape
the
growth
in
our
population
and
we
must
develop
sustainable
communities.
Well,
we
haven't
escaped
that
growth.
Mr
Mayor,
have
we,
because
when
councilor
Harvey
opened
those
floodgates
when
councilor
Harvey
pushed
Basingstoke
and
then
to
the
front
of
the
queue
to
build
more
housing,
when
councilor
Harvey
ignored
warnings
from
CPR
rehab
share
about
the
congestion
of
housing
in
our
Borough,
when
counselor
Harvey
ignored
the
warnings
of
rmp,
he
tied
our
hands,
Mr
Muir.
AB
The
figures
that
this
Administration
has
to
use
today
to
calculate
our
housing
numbers
are
inflated
due
to
those
flood
gates
being
opened.
We
have
one
of
the
highest
growth
rates
in
the
country,
because
councilor
Harvey
pushed
us
to
the
front
of
the
queue
all
those
years
ago
and
much
like
an
oil
tanker
once
the
course
is
set.
It
takes
time
to
deviate
so
who
should
I
trust,
Mr
Mayor,
a
leader,
councilor
Simon
bound,
who
has
been
on
BBC
South,
saying
enough
is
enough.
AB
We
have
to
slow
down
new
house
building
or
a
leader
counselor
Paul
Harvey,
who
is
openly
advocating
for
more
homes.
There's
an
old
saying,
Mr,
Mayor,
Once,
Bitten,
Twice
Shy,
and
you
have
a
minute
left
and
I
hope
our
good
residents
of
Basingstoke
and
then
look
closely
at
councilor
Harvey's
previous
actions.
I
say
to
those
residents
by
all
means,
judge
us
by
our
actions
but
judge
others
by
theirs
as
well.
That's
why
I
have
an
issue
with
this
motion.
Mr
Mir,
it's
not
the
message
that
is
the
issue
is
the
messenger.
Thank
you.
C
Y
Yes,
hello
good
evening,
I'd
just
like
to
say:
firstly
Port.
This
motion
and
I
also
want
to
congratulate
and
am
in
awe
of
all
the
hard
work
that
all
of
our
communities
do
across
our
Borough.
They
are
extraordinary
and
amazing,
from
which
church
to
Old
basing
to
Brown
room
for
everywhere.
It's
invidious
to
select
anybody
specific,
but
as
counselors
as
well
I
think
the
stated
objectives
in
this
motion
are
are
absolutely
the
essence
of
why
we
bother
to
stand
at
election.
Y
So
I
congratulate
the
movers
I,
just
like
because
I'm
a
little
bit
of
shock
at
the
councilor
McIntyre's
statements
and
I
just
like
to,
unfortunately,
because
he
is
new,
he
doesn't
know,
but
councilor
Finney,
who
was
the
leader
afterwards,
was
a
conservative
and
he
was
a
vehement
supporter
of
diamond
for
growth
and
counselor
Sanders,
who
succeeded.
Councilor
Finney
also
was
a
massive
advocate
of
growth.
Y
So,
whilst
you
might
be
true
that
that
might
have
happened
in
2006,
it
was
within
a
national
context
and
a
backdrop
and
and
and
and
and
and
we
as
conservatives
have
done
absolutely
nothing
in
the
intervening
periods
between
them,
losing
their
position
of
authority
and
us
being
in
control
and
I
think
that's
extremely
relevant
because
other.
If
we
don't
change
the
course
of
the
tanker
and
are
incapable
of
changing
the
course
of
the
tanker.
It
begs
the
question.
Y
What's
the
point
in
having
an
election,
so
Mr
Mayor
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
there
is
a
great
great
quote,
which
is
that
when
the
situation
changes,
I
change
my
position
but
I
I.
Y
Don't
think
that
we
should
be
in
any
doubt
as
conservatives
that
we
are
blameless
and
nor
is
Dame
Maria
Miller,
who
has
singularly
failed
to
do
anything
about
the
numbers
of
housing
that
have
been
imposed
on
us
in
the
last
12
years
and
only
now
has
come
out
and
said
that
she
has
a
problem
when
the
conservatives
have
been
in
power
when
the
conservatives
have
been
in
past
12
years.
Y
So
it
is
a
complex
situation
and
a
complex
area,
but
I
commend
the
moves
of
the
motion
and
I
will
be
supporting
you.
I
Council
bound
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor
I
have
probably
bought
too
many
people
with
my
privilege
of
working
with
many
local
authorities
up
and
down
this
country.
It
is
often
said
in
the
halls
of
the
local
government
Association,
but
there
are
no
parties
in
local
government.
There
are
only
two
parties
in
this
country,
one
which
is
the
local
government
party,
and
one
is
the
central
government
party.
I
Why
is
that
relevant
is
because
we
have
to
operate
within
the
guidelines
and
the
rules
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
I
support
this
motion,
but
from
a
very
specific
Street
Corner,
we
have
unanimously,
as
a
chamber,
voted
to
reduce
our
housing
number.
We
have
unanimously
agreed
that
we'll
do
everything
that
we
can.
We
have
unanimous
support
in
this
chamber
to
ask
our
officers
to
do
everything
that
they
can.
I
I
have
spoken
to
many
local
authorities
when
I
was
a
portfolio
holder
that
were
cited
as
examples
of
people
who
have
the
magic
wand,
whether
they
are
conservatives,
whether
they
are
independent
run,
whether
they
are
labor
run.
Let
me
be
really
clear:
nobody
has
the
magic
wand.
It
will
take
a
huge
amount
of
hard
work
and
I
would
like
to
join
with
everybody.
Who's
spoken
already
to
congratulate
all
of
those
people
that
have
supported
us
in
that
work.
I
I
spoke
at
the
recent
Basin
second
Dean
Association
of
Paris
and
town
councils,
and
they
wanted
me
to
pass
on
their
gratitude
for
the
support
that
they
have
had
from
this
Council
from
all
of
the
councils
in
this
chamber.
For
the
members
of
eph
for
challenging
that
level
of
growth,
we
do
need
to
slow
it
down.
We
will
slow
it
down
and,
as
the
leader
of
this
Authority
I
appreciate,
everybody's
support
with
all
of
our
activities
to
do
it
and
I
will
be
supporting
this
motion.
Thank
you.
Mr
Mayor.
T
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
as
portfolio
holder
for
planning
and
infrastructure,
I
support
the
intention
of
this
motion
and
the
the
central
importance
of
the
local
community
in
shaping
in
the
borough.
So
the
council
has
an
adopted
local
plan
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
updating
it
and
it's
being
shaped
up
with
the
involvement
of
members,
the
eph,
the
committee's
stakeholders,
at
every
stage,
with
significant
statutory
stages
of
consultation
still
to
come
so
unanimously.
T
As
the
leader
said,
we
have
watered
against
or
or
not
to
go
with
the
number
and
that
was
proposed,
and
the
cabinet
recently
decision
on
27th
of
September
to
trade
more
time
to
consider
a
suitable
housing
figure
for
the
borough
recognizes
the
importance
of
keeping
the
plan
process
going,
but
in
a
way
that
directly
respond
to
the
local
concerns
and
local
circumstance.
T
As
some
of
the
councilors
already
mentioned,
we
have
had
enough
engagement
and
we
have
been
working
with
from
which
church
to
Bramley
to
all
basing
to
every
part
of
the
borough.
So
the
involvement
of
communities
is
key
part
of
the
development
management
process.
However,
all
planning
decision
and
process
must
follow
relevant
legislation,
which
includes
the
rights
of
appeal
for
developers
and
will
involve
the
independent
planning
inspector,
where
appropriate,
so
planning
applications
are
assist
against
our
adopted
policy
and
plan
planning
gain
is
secure
through
a
legal
agreement
where
this
is
appropriate.
T
So
I
will
be
supporting
this
motion
in
the
essence
of
the
intentions
and
what
it
will
bring
to
the
full
Council
today.
Thank
you.
C
E
Thank
you
actually.
Thank
you.
Councilor
McIntyre,
you
kind
of
made
my
point
for
me
really.
If
we're
going
to
get
into
the
Tit
for
Tat,
like
that,
then
councilor
Finney's
leadership
of
this
Authority
and
growth
in
the
direction
he
took
us
and
Council
Sanders,
Horizon
2050
and
the
direction
of
basically
conceding
to
the
LEP
in
the
way
that
he
did
should
also
be
put
on
the
record
and
you're
talking
about
16
years
ago.
E
You're
talking
about
a
very
different
world
and
what
has
happened
in
the
16
years
of
conservative
rule,
but
I'm
not
going
to
go
there
because
I'm
not
going
to
take
your
bait
because
the
points
about
this
the
point
about
localism
is
much
as
what's
already
been
debated,
actually
much
as
what's
already
been
said.
Well,
if
we
are
truly
listening
to
our
communities
today,
with
all
we
are
dealing
with
today
than
the
responsibility
of
this
chamber
is
to
plan
the
future
of
beijing's
token
Dean.
E
With
that
in
mind
and
I
think
localism
in
terms
of
the
act
that
was
passed
by
the
then
coalition
government
was
probably
one
of
the
best
pieces
of
legislation
we've
had
and
the
fact
that
the
centralization
of
planning,
as
it
always
is
when
in
government,
it's
easy
to
say
things
when
you're
in
opposition
and
once
you're
in
government
you've
got
to
make
the
decisions.
They
always
tack
away
to
the
centralization
of
power.
You
always
tack
away
from
localism
and
that's
exactly
what's
happened
with
the
localism
act.
E
So
I,
listen
to
what
you
say
and
I
say:
the
power
has
to
be
in
our
hands
and
I
say
the
way
we
shape
the
future
is
exactly
about
sustainability,
about
the
environment,
about
climate
change,
about
affordable
housing,
picking
up
Council
of
McCormick's
very
important
point.
You
know
how
this
Council
delivers
housing
for
wants.
How
many
times
have
we
run
away
from
that
point?
This
Authority
has
a
role
to
deliver
housing,
and
why
do
we
always
shirk
away
from
that?
E
I
think
we
should
embrace
the
opportunity
that
this
Authority
can
have
on
its
land
to
make
a
difference
to
affordable
housing,
I
really
do,
but
from
infrastructure
to
transport,
to
affordable
housing,
the
environment
to
water
and
our
Rivers.
Unless
we
take
localism
seriously,
unless
we
push
back
on
the
center,
we
are
always
going
to
be
subject
to
whichever
government
of
the
day
decides
for
us
and
that's
wrong.
That
should
never
be
the
case.
So
what
the
motion
seeks
to
do
is
to
promote
principles.
E
E
Let's
all
work
together,
see
councilor
McIntyre
I
can
do
it
too,
but
let's
not
do
that
all
right,
let's
be
the
adults
in
the
room
instead
of
throwing
insults
at
each
other
and
let's
do
the
job
our
residents
want
us
to
do
today,
I'm
willing
to
make
that
offer
to
you
and
I'm
holding
the
handout
to
you
to
do
that
on
the
other
side
of
the
chamber.
Are
you
doing
it
for
us
as
well?
Let's
do
the
right
thing
by
our
residents
for
once
and
that's
all
I'm
in
this
chamber
to
do.
AC
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor.
We
desperately
need
a
local
plan
to
protect
us
all
whether
we
live
in
a
town
or
our
rural
Villages,
sherfield,
Bramley
or
Beijing
Overton,
Oakley
and
whick
church.
How
do
we
get
one?
That's
really
easy.
We
just
roll
over
and
build
the
government
figures,
but
what
would
that
do?
That
would
mean
delivering
the
very
houses
we
want
our
local
plan
to
protect
us
from
being
delivered.
It
would
make
putting
a
thousand
houses
here
and
a
thousand
houses
there.
So
we've
agreed
to
push
back
and
I.
AC
AC
So
once
we
know
the
outcome,
whichever
outcome
it
is,
we
are
ready
to
get
a
local
plan
in
place
straight
away.
Once
we've
got
that
we
cannot
have
another
Year's
Delay
from
that.
Whilst
the
work
is
done,
we
need
that
work,
ready,
DC,
the
members
of
DC.
We
are
in
an
impossible
situation.
At
the
moment.
We've
had
it
time
and
time
again
over
the
last
few
months
and
it's
going
to
get
worse,
we're
getting
applications
coming
to
us.
AC
We
want
to
support
our
residents
and
do
right
by
them,
but
we're
trying
to
balance
that
we're
trying
to
juggle
that
with
applying
the
Tilted
balance
with
not
getting
ourselves
in
the
situation
where
we
have
a
ridiculous
number
of
costly
appeals,
go
against
us
not
getting
out
of
yourself
in
a
situation
where
planning
a
Spectra
can
apply
the
ultimate
sanction
and
remove
our
powers,
because
my
residents
won't
thank
us
if
all
our
planning
decisions
are
made
in
Bristol
and
I'm
sure
nobody
else
is
worth
it.
Thank
you,
Mr
Men,.
C
Thank
you,
Council
Rollins,
that's
the
end
of
debate.
We've
timed
out,
I
apologize!
Well,
it's
unfortunate
that
the
other
three
speakers
couldn't
speak
tonight,
but
there'll
be
another
time.
Incidentally,
it's
councilor
McIntyre's
Maiden
speech.
AA
You
chair
well,
I'll,
take
it
in
the
order
that
it
came.
That
was
questions
from
Council
McCormick
yeah,
the
Planning
by
appeal.
It's
not
a
satisfactory
system.
We
sit
in
DC,
we
have
policies
and
every
decision
we
make
is
backed
up
for
planning
reasons.
Now
we
haven't
got
time,
Mr
Mayor,
to
go
through
all
the
reasons,
but
basically
I
stand
by
our
decisions.
There
are
some
a
non-determination
which
are
in
turn
within
the
borough
that
have
led
us
to
appeal,
but
that's
Developers
for
you,
the
five-year
land
Supply.
AA
Yes,
that's
regretful
policy
that
we
are
faced
with
the
problem
is
look
at
the
sites,
the
east
of
Basingstoke,
even
the
cuffwell
Farms,
the
the
golf
course
was
slow
all
of
these
sites
and,
of
course,
many
down
haven't
come
forward.
Developers
haven't
built
them,
that's
not
our
fault,
because
it's
in
our
plan
to
allow
them,
and
so
if
a
developer
wants
to
do
that
to
our
new
local
plan,
he
will
so
I'm
afraid
that
if
that
rule
still
stays
with
us,
we
are.
AA
We
are
not
protected,
we're
protected
for
a
short
while,
but
it
won't
last
because
developers
can
manipulate
that.
So
that's
my
view
on
that
and
then
very
briefly,
thank
you,
councilor
cubitt
for
bringing
a
historical
perspective
and
that
because
I'm
sorry
Council
McIntyre
that
that
speech
was
why
I
want
to
be
an
independent.
AA
You
know
it's
just
if
you
want
to
bring
it
to
that
level.
Well,
I
think
you
should
be
actually
looking
for
a
job
up
in
Westminster,
so
anyway,
I
commend
this
motion.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
C
E
C
You
never
know,
can
we
keep
the
chatter
down?
Please.
E
Silly
questions
to
Penny
mordant,
which
don't
seem
to
understand
what
people
are
living
through,
do
not
do
her
any
favors
local
people's
mortgages,
rents
and
food
and
energy
prices
are
all
directly
affected
by
the
choices
that
list
trust
made.
Yes,
things
were
bad,
but
my
goodness
me
have
they
been
made
immeasurably
worse
by
the
debacle.
We've
all
been
living
through
over
the
last
two
weeks,
Maria
stop
blaming
others
and
take
some
responsibility
for
your
own
government's
actions.
E
So
this
motion
was
designed
to
speak,
to
ask
to
the
cabinet
and
officers
to
consider
what
support
we
can
offer
to
the
business
community
in
the
face
of
the
energy
crisis,
the
face
of
the
cost
of
inflation
and
prices,
and
for
many
of
them
it
is
pushing
them
to
Breaking
Point.
We
cannot
afford,
after
covid
to
Hemorrhage
even
more
local
businesses.
The
actions
we
have
taken
as
a
council,
supported
from
all
sides
to
help
residents
through
the
cost
of
living
assistance
fund,
will
make
a
difference
for
many
households,
councilor
McKay's
paper
question
later
on.
E
The
order
paper
equally
identifies
help
that
we
committed
ourselves
to
offering
those
residents,
so
many
of
our
residents
are
in
crisis,
have
been
pushing
to
Breaking
Point.
Many
are
deeply
worried
about
how
they're
going
to
pay
their
bills
put
food
on
the
table.
People
are
frightened
and
the
political
chaos
isn't
helping.
E
So
what
we're
saying
is
we
also
need
to
hear
the
voice
of
small
local
businesses,
because
so
many
people's
jobs
and
livelihoods
rely
on
our
small
businesses.
We
need
to
respect
how
critical
they
are
to
our
local
economy
and
we
should
ensure
we
are
doing
all
we
can
to
support
them,
to
support
jobs,
to
support
residents.
E
I
would
also
say
that,
while
residents
and
businesses
are
suffering,
they
are
not
the
only
ones
our
charity
sector,
which
is
for
so
long
being
the
ones
to
hold
together
patching
up
the
failings
of
both
Central
and
local
government.
They
need
help
too,
it's
all
about
what
we
can
do
working
together
across
both
the
public
and
private
sector.
E
So
I
know
that
the
national
help
on
author
isn't
going
to
be
enough.
It
won't
be
more
than
a
suture
to
deal
with
the
Deep
economic
wound
that
was
being
made
far
worse
in
the
past
couple
of
weeks.
Indeed,
if
Chancellor
number
four
is
to
be
believed
this
week,
then
all
the
spending
commitments
that
have
been
made
are
up
for
negotiation,
so
the
support
that
was
on
the
table
for
people
and
businesses
is
no
longer
guaranteed
with
all
the
chaos
going
on
in
government
lets
us
be
the
adults
in
the
room.
E
Let
us
hear
our
residents
and
hear
our
businesses
and
we
are
able,
if
we
can
to
offer
more
support,
then
let
us
do
so.
That's
the
reason
we
put
the
motion
asking
cabinet
and
our
officers
to
help
us
help
our
local
small
business
Community
to
add
to
the
work
that
is
already
being
done
to
build
that
level
of
confidence
to
help
us
get
through
the
crisis.
Everybody
is
facing.
Thank
you.
Mr
Mayor,.
C
AD
AD
It's
still
one
of
my
I
suppose
you
know
one
of
the
things
I'm
proudest
of
as
when
I
was
portfolio
holder
for
finance
was
that
during
covered
we
were
consistently
one
of
the
first
councils
to
get
grants
out
to
businesses
and
I,
saw
and
heard
from
people
in
the
difference
that
made
to
them,
and
so,
of
course,
I'm
going
to
support
doing
further
this
evening.
AD
I'm
also
pleased
that
we
are
already
linked
to
really
important
projects
for
local
businesses,
such
as
the
lowcase
project,
which
is
where
local
smes
and
businesses
can
apply
for
Grants
up
to
ten
thousand
pounds
for
Energy
Efficiency
measures,
which
of
course
won't
just
help
them
this
winter,
but
we'll
go
on
further
as
well
as
kind
of
tackling
that
climate
change
emergency.
AD
AD
C
D
Thank
you,
mayor
I
will
support
the
motion.
It's
unfortunate
that
we've
got
to
because
it
Council
Hub
is
actually
right.
This
is
something
that
central
government
should
be
doing.
If
they
had
a
growth
agenda,
they
would
be
doing
it.
I
have
checked
I
thought
I
will
go
if
I
want
to
find
the
voice
of
the
government,
the
voice
of
reason.
There
is
no
other
place
to
go
than
Maria's
Maria
Maria
Miller,
Twitter
feed,
so
I
looked
at
our
Twitter
feed
to
find
anything
political.
D
Three
days
ago,
she
said
we
want
to
get
more
growth
in
housing.
That's
all
I
could
find
so,
unfortunately,
local
businesses
weren't
mentioned,
but
she
is
after
housing.
Growth,
councilor
McIntyre
really
should
follow
its
interesting
stuff,
so
I'll
absolutely
support
it.
I
spoke
to
a
few
local
businesses,
Town
Center
Traders,
pretty
interesting.
The
biggest
problem
is
not
energy
bills
and
obviously
things
like
schemes
to
improve
energy
is
very
difficult.
When
you're
in
the
top
of
town
and
you've
got
sort
of
issues
around
Conservation
Area,
one
of
the
biggest
issues
is
parking.
D
You
go
to
the
cash
and
carry
you
get
all
your
stuff.
You
bring
it
back
to
your
your
store
or
your
Cafe,
you
upload
it
put
it
all
away.
You
come
out.
You've
got
a
parking
ticket.
You
can't
park
anywhere
else
because
you're
not
allowed
to
park
because
you
haven't
got
a
business
permit
or
you
have
to
pay
to
park,
but
it's
only
two
hours
you've
got
to
pay
for
two
hours.
Drop
your
stuff
off.
Go
back,
find
someone
else
to
park.
D
Actually
some
of
the
traders
who
trade
seven
days
a
week
are
spending
75
pounds
a
week
on
parking
their
car
because
they
can't
get
a
business
permit.
So
there
are
things
we
could
do
as
a
council
to
support
small
businesses.
So
I
support
the
motion.
We
can't
always
as
a
council
just
throw
money
at
stuff
because
we
haven't
got
the
money.
It's
taxpayers
money
anyway,
but
we
can't
fill
every
void
led
by
this
government,
particularly
this
government
I've
always
had
to
find
a
prime
minister
and
a
Chancellor
every
couple
of
weeks.
D
But
what
we
could
do
is
look
at
how
we
support
businesses,
particularly
to
small
local
businesses.
Precious
to
me
is
a
town
center,
but
we
need
to
be
doing
that
and
I
think
this
motion
triggers
that
debate
and
discussion
to
happen
so
I'll
support
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
I
Bound
thank
you
Mr
Mayor
again
as
leader
of
the
Council.
Of
course,
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
to
our
businesses
and
I
really
wanted
to
pass
on.
The
thanks
very
formally
to
the
officers
match
has
been
made
of
the
activities
that
we
already
carry
out
to
support
businesses,
as
councilor
Golding
talked
about
as
far
as
getting
the
covid
grants
out,
but
everything
that
we've
done
since
and
local
businesses
tell
me
that
they
are
truly
grateful
for
how
close
this
council
is
to
them
as
businesses
that
we
understand.
I
What's
going
on.
We
understand
what
is
needed
as
far
as
footfall
and
some
of
the
issues
that
they
have
I
will
be
fully
supporting
this
motion
for
one
reason,
and
one
reason
only
because
it
supports
the
activity
that
is
already
happening
and
those
conversations
that
are
already
happening
with
those
businesses
to
see
how
we
can
help,
in
addition
to
the
central
government
support
that
is
already
available
to
them.
And
that
is
one
of
the
challenges.
I
We
were
one
of
the
first
councils
to
talk
and
do
and
hear
the
challenges
that
were
happening
with
our
residents,
and
we
came
up
with
the
cost
of
living
alleviation
funds,
and
one
of
the
key
elements
was
doing
something
that
complemented
what
was
already
happening
from
central
government.
So
I'm
really
clear
that
that
is
our
task
and
it
can
be
particularly
complex
when
we
think
about
all
of
the
different
types
of
businesses
that
we
have,
whether
they're
home
workers,
whether
they're
retail,
whether
they're
startups,
whether
they're,
small,
medium
or
large.
Thank
you,
Mr
May,.
N
Oh,
thank
you
Mr
Mayor.
There
are
any
number
of
criticisms
that
could
be
leveled.
The
conservative
party
this
week
this
month
this
year
this
decade
and
there's
been
quite
a
lot
of
talk
this
evening
about
party
political
points
being
made,
but
I'd
like
to
speak
on
a
particular
political
point,
but
I'd
like
to
speak
in
a
positive
light
because
I
represent
the
Town
Center
I'm
a
labor
counselor,
so
I
represent
the
workers.
N
We
also
have
counselors
and
jeans
who
represent
the
town
center,
and
the
conservative
party
traditionally
represents
the
business
owners
between
the
three
of
us.
We've
probably
spoken
to
dozens,
maybe
hundreds
of
individuals
who
live
and
work
in
and
around
the
town
center
over
the
last
year
and
I'm
sure
they
as
I
have
have
had
feedback.
That
basically
says
we're
struggling,
we're,
afraid
we're
worried
and
we
don't
know
what
support
there
is
in
place.
So
having
this
motion
come
in
front
of
us
tonight,
I
think
is
an
excellent
First.
N
They're
is
definitely
more
that
can
be
done,
whether
we
can
do
it
locally
remains
to
be
seen,
but
as
as
a
side
effect
of
this
motion,
I
would
also
hope
that
the
leader
would
use
it
as
a
platform
on
or
a
springboard
on
which
to
have
conversations
with
Maria
Miller
and
with
central
government
about
more
being
done.
So
I
am
happily
in
support
of
this
motion.
I'm
sure
my
two
fellow
Ward
councils
are
as
well
and
by
the
sounds
of
it
the
whole
room
might
be
so
we
might.
We
might
be
really
fortunate.
N
We
might
have
a
vote
where
we
all
agree,
because
that
hasn't
happened
quite
in
quite
some
time
or
it
hasn't
felt
like
it's
happening
quite
some
time.
So
yes,
I
I'm,
fully
in
support
of
this,
and
and
thank
you
to
the
to
the
person
who
moved
it
and
the
second
for
bringing
it
in
front
of
us
this
evening.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
bear
yes,
I
I
mean
support
of
this
Motion
in
setting
up
a
business
support
fund
I've
talked
to
local
businesses
that
are
based
in
the
area
that
I
represent
and
in
close
proximity,
and
some
of
them
are
really
struggling.
F
A
lot
of
businesses
in
the
pub
and
restaurant
industry
are
not
going
to
renew
their
leases.
The
odds
are
stacked
against
them.
You're
talking
about
rent
Even
in
our
outward
District
centers
of
30
000
pounds
a
unit
typically
and
in
the
Town
Center
top
of
town
might
be
50
000
pound
a
year
for
top
of
town.
It
might
be
a
hundred
thousand
pound
a
year
Festival
place
and
you
have
associated
with
that
a
business
rate.
That's
a
proportion
of
the
rent
being
paid
and
service
charges
for
things
like
Festival
place
of
a
shop.
F
Union
Festival
place
you're,
looking
at
over
130
000
pound
a
year
before
you've,
even
looked
at
your
utility
bills
or
your
stock,
or
paying
your
staff
against
those
odds.
I'm
amazed
that
our
businesses,
especially
independent
ones,
are
carrying
on
it
is
an
emergency.
It
is
a
a
business
emergency.
It's
worse
than
covid
I
mean
that's.
The
feedback
I've
had
from
one
business
owner
at
the
weekend
is
covered
was
easy.
Compared
to
this,
especially
if
you're
a
pub
or
restaurant
you
could,
you
could
apply
for
furloughs.
F
You
could
close
certain
aspects
see
if
this
is
down
you,
you
couldn't
have
over-the-counter
trade
or
sit
in
trade
you're
doing
takeaways.
That
sort
of
thing
this
time
there's
no
support
of
that
nature,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
businesses
do
get
support
in
these
tough
times
or
else.
If
we
think
the
situation
that
we've
got
with
vacant
shop
units
in
Festival
places,
Tottenham
town
is
bad
now
and
it
is
bad
it'll
be
a
whole
lot
worse
in
a
year
or
two
years
time.
F
Unless
we
take
radical
action,
however,
the
amount
required
per
business
is
enormous.
In
many
cases,
it's
up
tens
of
thousands
of
pounds,
but
one
of
the
businesses
I
spoke
to
is
gas.
Billet
quadrupled
quintupled
at
the
beginning
of
the
year.
He
got
on
Meridian
for
it
we
don't
have
as
a
council
with
the
cost
of
living
assistance
fund.
We
give
up
to
a
thousand
pound
per
household.
F
I
would
like
to
attach
to
an
amendment
that
says
that
we
approach
the
government
for
funding
to
give
to
our
local
businesses
and
that
we
apply
to
the
government
to
have
100
business
rate
relief
in
basis
token,
because
at
the
moment,
over
90
percent
of
the
business
rates
we
collect,
get
passed
on
the
central
government
and
we
don't
get
to
see
that
much
for
them.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
E
The
I
know
where
the
move
was
coming
for
the
amendment's
coming
from
and
I
think.
From
my
perspective,
what
I'm
asking
is
that
this
motion
isn't
going
to
hear
tonight
Wordsmith
a
way
of
solving
everything,
so
I'm
happy
to
accept
the
amendment
in
the
spirit
that
we're
going
to
look
at
a
range
of
things
and
that
that
forms
part
of
that
examination,
because
I
think
it's
a
first
suggestion.
Nobody's
suggestions
this
evening
should
be
put
off
the
table.
I
think
we
are
all.
E
If
what
we're
saying
around
the
chamber
I
see
the
leaders
nodding
his
head
and
see
councilor
James
as
well
from
his
group.
If
that's
where
we
are,
then
no
suggestion
should
be
put
off
the
table
and,
as
I
said
in
my
speech,
no
Magic
one's
going
to
solve
this.
So
yes,
I
will
accept
it.
If
that
is
the
spirit
that
the
Amanda
wishes
to
put
it
in.
C
J
AA
G
C
F
Thank
you,
Mr
Smith.
We
call
on
this
Council
well
where
it
says
that
cabinets
commission
officers
develop
a
scheme
to
support
small
locally
around
businesses,
and
we
also
call
on
the
council
leader
to
approach
the
government
for
funding
to
help
local
businesses
and
in
particular,
to
look
at
100
business
rate
relief
for
businesses
in
Basingstoke.
F
C
AE
Yeah
I
I
support
the
original
motion,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
the
amendment
actually
helps
at
all,
because
what
we're
asking
is
that
the
government
treats
Basingstoke
differently
from
the
rest
of
the
country,
we're
looking
for
sort
of
100
business,
business
rates,
relief
and
and
I.
Think.
That's,
that's!
Not
that's!
Not
a
productive
route
to
follow.
C
C
Y
I'd
just
like
to
say
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
in
the
pickle
we're
in
is
because
we
spent
400
billion
pounds
on
covet
and
supporting
corporate
So.
When
you
say
companies
didn't
really
suffered
under
covet,
it
was
because
400
billion
was
pumped
into
the
economy.
Y
We've
we've
now
committed
to
150
billion
in
subsidizing
the
energy
and
25
billion
to
the
NHS,
and
there
has
to
be
an
understanding
with
corporations
that
there's
more
there's,
there's
Hazard,
there's
a
financial
Hazard,
so
whilst
I
in
principle
accept
and
totally
support
the
initial
motion,
which
is
to
try
and
create
an
economic
environment
in
which
we
can
support
all
these
wonderful
small
companies
that
are
trying
and
struggling
and
are
really
scared.
I
am
absolutely
I
cannot
possibly
support
us
even
contemplating
trying
to
pump
cash
into
zombie
companies
that
shouldn't
exist
they're.
D
The
wording
of
the
amendment
is
is
rather
unfortunate
because
it
does.
Rather,
it
goes
from
emotion
and
saying:
let's
explore
everything
we
can
do
to
support
businesses,
particularly
local
businesses,
and
this
turns
it
into
a.
We
must
demand
quite
specifics
from
the
government.
I'm,
not
quite
sure,
I
mean
business
rates,
for
example,
for
small
businesses
absolutely
agree,
but
actually
a
lot
of
small
premises.
Don't
pay
business
rates,
but
for
large
companies
someone's
got
to
put
the
bill.
D
Somebody's
got
to
pay
now
the
other
week,
but
last
week
I
had
an
email
from
Hampshire
County
Council
to
say
that
an
investment
Zone
was
going
to
be
built
in
my
division.
It's
nice
of
no
one
else.
To
tell
me
a
day
later,
I
got
information
from
the
County
Council
saying
the
investment.
Zone
was
a
great
thing,
because
business
wouldn't
pay
any
taxes,
what
a
marvelous
thing
and
then
and
of
course,
I
bet
because
of
investment
for
that
zones.
It's
got
to
have
public
support.
D
Local
support
I've
discovered
what
that
now
means
because
they
said
we're
just
waiting
for
an
email
back
from
Maria
Miller
to
confirm
her
support
for
it.
That's
what
public
support
is
just
one
person
who
generally
Lolly
back
to
government.
Fortunately,
I,
don't
think
she
answered
her
emails,
but
I
was
going
to
be
against
it
because
I
don't
believe
you
can
have
big
areas
that
people
don't
pay
taxes.
C
C
Any
more
any
other
speaker
any
other
speaker
on
this
Amendment
right,
then
we
would
vote
on
the
motion
as
amended.
F
C
The
emotion
with
the
amendment
excuse
me
I'm
taking
advice
from
the
legal
officer
here.
O
AE
I
support
the
motion,
as
a
number
of
issues
have
been
raised
regarding
cost
of
living
increases
and
The
Wider
impact
on
the
community
and
businesses.
I'm
pleased
to
report
that
an
officer
working
group
has
been
initiated
to
look
at
these
issues
and
will
include
as
part
of
this
understanding
the
impact
on
local
businesses.
This
group
will
will
be
reporting
its
findings,
so
we
are
on
on
it
and
taking
action.
AE
AE
The
ongoing
viability
and
profitability
of
a
business
level
of
energy
use
based
on
its
size
of
operation
are
all
factors
that
make
accurate
evaluation
more
difficult.
It's
worth
saying
that
government
measures
have
been
announced
to
help
businesses
across
the
country
this
winter,
with
increases
in
Energy
prices.
You.
AE
So
what
I
wanted
to
highlight
is
that
the
borough
is
going
is
going
to
receive
a
one
million
pound
UK
shared
Prosperity
fund
and
we
are,
we
have
put
in
put
in
place
plans
to
help
local
businesses.
So
this
is
going
to
include
an
apprentice
Grant
scheme
of
Grants
up
of
up
to
four
thousand
pounds:
a
training,
Grant
scheme,
with
grants
of
up
to
two
and
a
half
thousand
pounds
and
a
work
experience
Grant
scheme
of
Grants
of
up
to
two
thousand
pounds.
So
there's
a
considerable
amount
of
government
assistance.
AE
That's
coming
to
to
the
borough
and
as
the
leader
says,
we
will
look
at
providing
any
safety
net
measures
that
are
required
as
the
winter
affects
businesses
because
of
their
high
energy
use.
So
I
think
we've
got
some
fantastic
small
businesses
in
this
Borough
and
they
are,
and
they
can
count
on
this
Administration
and
the
council
as
a
whole
I
think
to
look
after
their
interests
and
and
help
them
as
much
as
we
can.
C
Thank
you
with
time
expired
on
the
debate,
time
I'm
afraid.
So
we
will
move
to
council
Basham.
You
reserved
your
rights
speak.
J
J
It
does
remain
a
gap
for
the
most
vulnerable
businesses,
small
businesses,
particularly
in
Hospitality,
as
identified
by
councilor
McCormick
and
in
the
third
sector,
small
voluntary
organizations
and
charities.
In
particular,
it's
hard
running
a
business,
a
small
business
at
the
best
of
times,
it's
incredibly
difficult
when
the
cost
of
one
of
your
essential
overheads,
more
than
doubles
or
even
triples
in
the
space
of
months
and
possibly
overnight,
as
your
fixed
deal
expires.
J
J
I
know
that
there
are
small
business
owners
out
there
right
now
worried
about
how
they'll
make
it
through
this
winter.
Now
is
the
winter
of
our
discontent,
so
I
encourage
members
to
vote
to
assist
the
small
local
businesses
in
their
wards.
It's
reassuring
to
hear
from
councilor
Golding
about
other
business
support
available
for
for
members
across
the
chamber
and
the
current
Administration.
Thank
you
and
I
welcome
councilor
Isaac's
news
about
the
establishment
of
a
group
or
working
group
like
the
phrase
he
used
and
the
one
million
shared
Prosperity
fund.
J
It
just
leads
me
to
say
that
it's,
it's
I'm
sure
members
across
the
chamber,
with
their
proud
tradition
of
economic
competence
and
business
friendly
policies,
will
not
hesitate
to
vote
in
favor.
Please
vote
in
favor
of
the
motion.
Thank
you.
E
There
should
shame
anybody
in
national
office,
regardless
of
which
political
party
they
come
from,
but
in
this
case,
after
all
those
years
after
all,
the
statements
right
here
right
now,
people
are
genuinely
saying
how
the
hell
am
I
going
to
get
through
the
winter.
What
can
I
plan
for
next
year,
investment
decisions
for
some
of
our
smallest
businesses
affect
their
lives
directly.
E
It's
their
houses
that
they're
putting
on
the
line,
it's
their
savings,
they're,
putting
on
the
line,
it's
their
family's
savings
and
houses
they're,
putting
on
to
invest
in
their
businesses
and
I,
am
talking
about
not
corporations
and
not
big
companies.
I'm
talking
about
the
small
companies
that
underpin
the
economy
that
actually
provide
the
majority
of
jobs
for
people
in
Basingstoke
and
Dean,
and
that
that's
where
I
think
we
as
an
authority,
can
make
such
a
difference,
because
we
are
that
power
to
bring
people
around
the
table.
E
We
have
that
ability
to
broker
in
a
way
that
very
few
across
basic
Stoke
can
we
can
be
that
opportunity
to
achieve
both
private
and
public
working
together
and
I
really
welcome
councilor
McCormick,
because
you
were
talking
about
this
as
well.
You've
raised
this
before
councilor
James
again,
as
this
is
the
first
time
this
motion
has
raised
this
issue.
What
we
do
with
it
is
going
to
be
really
really
important
here
to
decide
the
sort
of
things
beyond
what
we
are
currently
doing.
E
The
lowercase
thing
is
great,
but
all
it
does
is
tackle
Energy
Efficiency
and
it's
all
about
emissions,
and
most
businesses
won't
qualify.
So
the
very
things
of
accessibility,
they're,
very
the
importance
having
schemes
that
are
genuinely
accessible,
become
really
important
for
those
particular
businesses
and
I'm.
Sorry
about
the
shared
Prosperity
fund.
It's
going
to
be
part
of
the
Chancellor's
review.
Isn't
it
all
of
that?
Is
we
ain't
guaranteed
a
penny?
E
C
Thank
you,
Council
Harvey,
oh
once
again,
I
sense,
an
atmosphere
and
agreement
on
this
particular
motion
is
it
agreed.
F
This
is
a
solution
in
search
of
a
problem
on
checking
with
our
electoral
Services
Department.
We
could
find
no
examples
of
voter
fraud
in
Beijing,
Stoke
and
Dean
going
back
over
a
number
of
years.
As
far
as
we
could.
Why,
then
Institute
the
requirements
to
produce
photographic
ID
in
order
to
vote
to
polling
station,
the
answer
appears
to
be
to
make
it
harder
for
people
to
vote.
F
F
F
C
Excuse
me:
churches,
you
look
like
did
we
get
notified
of
this
too?
C
Thank
you,
councilor
Howard.
So
would
you
speak
now
or
reserve
your
reserve
debate
because.
AB
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
and
I
want
to
thank
members
for
the
courtesy
for
my
maiden
speech
last
one
I
must
admit
sitting
down
to
the
Sounds
of
Silence
from
the
opposition.
Bench.
I
didn't
actually
know
whether
or
not
to
wear
that
as
a
badge
of
honor.
But
thank
you
that's.
It
was
appreciated
to
the
motion
at
hand,
then,
whilst
I
commend
opposition
counselors
for
the
concern
over
residence
lacking,
necessary,
ID
I
must
point
out
a
few
facts
and
statistics
that
have
been
neglected.
AB
Firstly,
both
the
organization
for
security
and
cooperation
in
Europe's
office
of
democratic
institutions
and
human
rights
and
our
own
electoral
commission
have
recommended
the
introduction
of
use
of
ID
and
polling
sessions
in
the
UK.
They
see
the
lack
of
verification
as
too
trusting
and
open
to
abuse.
AB
Secondly,
of
the
47
European
nations
all,
but
one
country
requires
a
government-issued
photo
voter
ID
to
vote.
Can
you
guess
Mr
Mayor,
which
nation
deviates
from
the
cloud?
That's
right,
Great
Britain.
However,
another
peculiarity
whilst
voter
ID
is
not
required
in
Great
Britain,
it
is
in
parts
of
the
United
Kingdom.
How
is
that
I
hear?
You
ask
well
miss
them
here.
AB
AB
Thirdly,
my
colleagues
across
the
floor
seem
to
suggest
cases
of
electoral
fraud
belong
with
Tales
of
unicorns,
the
Tooth
Fairy
Bigfoot
and
councilor
Harvey
of
voting
conservative
well
Mr
Miller.
Let's
look
to
2004,
where
six
labor
councilors
in
Birmingham
were
found
guilty
of
carrying
out
massive
systemic
and
organized
postal
voting
fraud
to
win
two
Wards
during
elections
for
the
city
council.
The
judge
in
that
case
said
the
fraud
was
not
the
actions
of
a
few
hotheads.
AB
It
was
carried
out
with
the
full
knowledge
and
cooperation
of
the
local
labor
party
and
extensively
prevailed
throughout
the
city.
Oh
Mr,
Mr
Mayor
in
2014.
When,
again
we
had
a
case
before
the
election
Court,
we
again
had
an
election
voided,
and
in
that
case
we
have
the
judge,
stating
the
evidence
laid
before
this
court
has
disclosed
an
alarming
State
of
Affairs
in
Tower
hamlets.
This
led
our
electoral
commission
to
recommend.
Finally,
we
should
move
to
a
system
where
voters
are
required
to
produce
identification
at
polling
stations.
AB
We
gathered
substantial
evidence
during
our
review
that
the
lack
of
a
requirement
for
ideas,
both
an
actual
and
a
perceived
weakness
in
the
system,
Mr
Mayor
in
Basingstoke
for
Resident,
wishes
to
claim
Universal
Credit.
They
need
to
prove
their
identity.
If
they
wish
to
open
a
bank
account,
they
need
to
prove
their
identity.
If
they
wish
to
join
the
housing
register,
they
need
to
prove
their
identity.
If
applying
for
a
job,
they
need
to
prove
their
identity
register
to
study
in
further
education.
They
need
to
prove
their
identity
visit
a
loved
one
in
prison.
AB
They
need
to
prove
their
identity
buying
a
house
they
need
to
prove
their
identity.
Take
part
in
a
BBC
show.
Why
would
you
want
to,
however,
they
need
to
prove
their
identity,
buying
an
age
restricted
item
on
Amazon.
They
need
to
prove
their
identity.
I
could
continue
Mr
Mayor,
however,
my
time
is
limited,
and
hopefully
the
point
is
made
so
I
conclude
miss
them
here.
By
again
commending
my
colleagues
concern
over
residence
lacking,
necessary
ID.
AB
However,
perhaps
their
effort
should
be
encouraging,
take
up
of
the
free
voter
card
which
will
be
issued
by
this
Authority,
rather
than
trying
to
overturn
the
recommendations
of
both
the
osce
office
for
Democratic
institutions
and
human
rights
and
our
own
electoral
Commission
in
aiming
to
prevent
and
Electro
fraud.
Thank
you.
D
Wow,
that
was
amazing,
I
I
can't
believe
we
just
had
a
conservative
stand
up
and
say,
look
look
at
what
Europe's
doing.
We
should
be
doing
that.
D
Entire's
next
motion
on
shall
we
adopt
PR,
because
the
rest
of
Europe
are
doing
it
now.
I
want
to
just
carry
five
new
things.
If
you
choose
to
buy
a
house
because
you
don't
have
to
buy
a
house,
you
need
ID.
If
you
choose
to
drive
and
it's
a
choice,
you
don't
have
to
drive,
you
need
ID
voting
is
a
right.
D
You
should
not
have
to
jump
through
hoops
to
take
your
Democratic
right
to
vote,
and
the
party
that
put
this
hideous
policy
forward
and
in
accident
in
law
is
an
offense
to
democracy
and
a
borrowance
party
Boris
has
gone.
This
policy
should
have
gone
with
him.
I
cannot
believe
you
sticking
to
it.
This
is
how
bizarre
it
is.
I'm
a
Borough
counselor
I
have
a
daughter,
she's
18..
She
has
a
passport.
We
got
it
nine
years
ago
she
had
pigtails,
then
she
won't
have
pigtails
now
she'd
like
to
vote.
Hopefully.
D
For
me,
she
was
born
in
bases
too
she's
grown
up
in
bathing
suit.
She's
always
lived
in
Basingstoke.
Her
pocket
money's
going
up.
I
should
get
her
vote.
In
fact,
the
only
time
she's
left
base
is
Stoke
is
when
I
had
to
give
her
a
lift
somewhere.
D
She
at
the
moment
waiting
says
she
cannot
vote
in
the
election
until
we
sort
out
get
into
a
provisional
driving
license
or,
of
course,
we
get
a
passport
renewed
or
we
wait
till
the
1st
of
January
and
we
get
the
voter
card.
That's
a
vote,
a
piece
of
paper,
and
it's
not
done
by
this
Council.
It's
done
by
central
government
who
have
promised
you'll,
get
it
back
within
seven
days.
D
It
will
be
processed
by
the
same
people
who
do
passports
and
driver's
licenses,
and
that's
going
well
and
of
course,
Central
government's
got
an
issue
because
there's
going
to
be
some
Cuts
made,
we
know
about
that.
In
fact,
we've
heard
that
200
000
civil
servants
are
going
to
be
chopped.
They
may
be
the
pen
pushers
that
are
doing
this,
so
I
wouldn't
have
any
confidence
in
that.
The
good
news
is
for
my
daughter,
if
she's
listening
at
home,
I'm
sure
she's
not
I,
don't
think
this
is
on
Instagram
but
hope
she's.
Not.
D
There
is
a
way
of
voting.
She
can't
vote
for
me
in
the
local
elections,
but
if
for
five
pounds,
she
can
join
the
conservative
party
without
any
idea
at
all
and
vote
for
as
many
prime
ministers
as
she
likes
so
I
absolutely
support
this
motion.
It's
a
shame
who
had
to
bring
it
here
today,
I
can't
wait.
Till
councilman
McIntyre
speaks
again
he's
given
me
so
much
material.
Thank
you.
D
Y
You
can't
skip
it
gosh.
It
was
a
tough
act
to
follow
Mr,
Mayor,
councilor
James,
just
say:
I
can't
possibly
support
this
motion.
Y
Y
S
Excuse
me,
thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Mayor
I'll
tell
you
what
Mr
mackins
are
councilman.
If
you
had
that
same
aggression
in
the
Air
Force
we'd
have
a
brilliant,
outstanding,
Air
Force
of
of
Hardcore
Raph
regiment,
guys
instead
of
the
ones
that
do
pt
for
five
minutes,
but
hey,
don't
worry,
can
I
just
he.
He
let
LED
with
some
statistics.
S
S
Government-Owned
research.
That's
the
conservative,
owned
Government
research
in
2021
found
that
two
percent
of
people
don't
have
any
form
of
ID
and
four
percent.
Don't
have
any
recognizable
ID
so
making
mandatory
voter
ID
a
barrier
to
many
people,
including
those
that
will
have
severe
learning
disabilities.
The
unemployed
people
without
qualifications
were
just
disemphatically
disenfranchising
people
from
voting.
S
S
What
stands
out,
though,
is
that
of
those
315
offenses
52
of
those
were
for
campaigning
offenses,
there's
nothing
stopping
us
from
making
any
legal
or
illegal
campaigning
methods
being
in
in
these.
In
these
laws.
Let's
have
a
look
back
down
to
2020
15
allegations.
12.
No
further
actions
were
taken.
20
2019
595
allegations
four
convictions
of
which
two
precautions,
so
hardly
the
crimes
of
the
century.
S
Considering
that
this
Tory
government
has
decimated
the
police
force
allowing
criminals
to
get
off
scot-free
in
many
instances
and
Council
McIntyre
talks
about
European
countries
requiring
ID
in
most
European
countries,
they
issue
free
ID
in
this
country.
They
don't.
Thank
you
very
much.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
bear.
Oh
this
piece,
I,
really
I
hear
what
the
Opera
well,
the
conservatives
are
saying,
but
this
piece
of
legislation
is
disgusting
and
with
this
piece
of
legislation,
it's
the
very
thing
that
you're
saying
you
support,
which
is
to
have
democracy
in
every
sense,
supported
and
encouraged.
E
It's
very
tropian
and
I
think
we
found
our
Donald
Trump
for
Basingstoke
and
Dean
and
councilor
McIntyre
I.
Think
absolutely
sir.
You
fit
the
bill.
This
is
about
excluding
people
and
every
rights
organization
that
you
could
quote
every
organization
that
relates
to
every
human
rights
act
or
human
rights.
Piece
of
legislation
will
tell
you
that
if
you
put
barriers
in
the
way
of
people
voting
such
as
this,
when
there
is
no
problem,
it
is
such
a
thing
to
say
to
people.
We
have
a
problem
when
it
does
not
exist.
E
That's
my
point
about
the
trumpian
nature
of
this
debate.
Wherever
there
has
been
an
issue
on
the
small
minority
scale
that
has
existed
over
decades
in
this
country,
our
courts
and
our
system
has
stamped
all
over
it
and
dealt
with
it.
That's
where
you
see
this
matter
being
dealt
with
in
the
right
place,
not
by
a
piece
of
legislation
introduced
Which,
curtails
democracy,
because
who
are
those
that
are
most
affected?
It
is
those
that
cannot
access
the
system.
It's
those
that
cannot
get
the
past
that
you
choose.
E
E
It
should
just
be
withdrawn
and
it
should
be
killed
off
absolutely
because
of
what
it
does
to
exclude
people
from
the
voting
process.
So
I'll
be
voting
for
the
motion,
because
I
believe
in
the
principle
of
democracy,
in
the
way
that
it
should
have
well
the
way
it
has
always
been
in
this
country.
And
if
there
isn't
a
problem,
why,
in
the
world?
What
in
the
world
are
we
trying
to
fix.
J
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I'll,
be
brief.
At
the
last
election,
voters
received
a
polling
card,
just
a
dl-sized
A3
A2,
whatever
it
was
A5
A2
poly
card.
J
Gonna
need
whoa
whoa.
This
is
the
point
of
staying
up
to
make.
Actually
is
that
I
believe
and
officers
will
create
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
the
retaining
officer
is
now
talking
about
sending
out
a
four-sided
letter
to
Residents
about
how
they
can
vote
in
the
different
types
of
ID
they
can
take
and
how
they
go
about
it.
It's
just
massively
unnecessary
complexity
around
what
should
be
a
very
simple
issue.
AF
I'll
be
honest
with
you:
I
don't
have
a
driving
license,
never
learned
to
drive.
I,
don't
have
a
passport
I
can't
afford
to
go
abroad.
I'm
a
single
parent
I've
never
had
a
driving
license,
never
had
a
passport.
It
will
cost
me
three
days
worth
of
my
food
budget
to
go
out
and
get
a
provisional
license.
I
have
a
14
year
old
son.
He
needs
clothes,
I
can't
count
and
it's
the
cost,
especially
not
with
the
cost
of
living
crisis.
AF
Voter
ID,
if
if
it
can
disenfranchise
someone
like
me
from
voting,
then
imagine
what
lesser
residents,
people
and
lower
incomes
than
me,
people
with
less
accessibility.
People
with
maybe
not
specific.
Like
you
know,
people
with
learning
difficulties,
any
sorts
of
problems.
We
are
disenfranchising
people
with
this
record
requirement
for
a
photographic,
ID
I
will
100
be
supporting
this
motion.
We
shouldn't
be.
If
we
are
going
to
expect
voters
to
provide
photographic
ID,
we
should
be
providing
it
for
them
free
of
charge.
This
is
the
only
way
I
can
seek
photographic,
ID
working.
AF
It
is
unfair,
it
is
not.
It
is
disenfranchising,
lower
income
and
lower
ability,
peoples,
people
that
don't
understand
the
system.
We
should
we
this
this
motion
deserves
all
the
support
we
can
give.
It.
U
You
I,
oh
sorry,
Mr
bear
I,
won't
need
three
minutes.
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
it's
my
understanding
that,
in
the
act
in
the
legislation
that's
been
proposed
that
there
is
a
scheme
for
free,
ID,
okay,
which
will
allow
those
are
those
people
who
who
are
disenfranchised
through
unemployment
and
are
struggling
to.
U
Actually,
you
know
get
some
ID
to
actually
have
some
ID,
so
I'm
I'm,
really
struggling
okay
with
the
fact
that
we've
had
people
counselors
stand
up
in
this
chamber,
saying
that
you
know
it's
going
to
cost
people
to
actually
get
ID
when
in
the
legislation
there
is
a
scheme
to
give
and
provide
free
ID.
Thank
you.
Mr
Matt.
N
Oh,
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor
I've
been
making
notes
as
I
go
through
like
how
long
do
I
have
what
five
minutes
three
minutes,
something
like
that
some
amount
of
time
so
hopefully
I'll
get
through
it
all
it's
five
minutes
excellent.
Thank
you
for
that
now.
I
have
to
say:
I've,
probably
been
slightly
slightly
naive
in
the
very
first
sentence,
I've
written
down
as
a
response
to
something
I've
heard,
I've
written.
If
you
ask
voters
what
they
care
most
about
when
they're
talking
about
their
politicians,
they
want
to
vote
for
people.
N
That
are
honest.
Maybe
that's
not
true,
but
I'm
going.
To
be
honest,
this
entire
debate
has
been
farcical.
It's
it's
an
absolute
fast
I'll
start
with
the
first
thing,
I
heard
somebody
I
think
it
was
Council.
Mcintyre
said
that
it's
too
trusting
to
not
have
voter
ID.
Heaven
forbid.
We
trust
the
people
that
live
in
our
town
and
in
our
country.
Heaven
forbid.
N
He
also
said
that
he
gave
an
example
postal
voter
fraud.
This
legislation
will
drive
significant
uptake
of
postal
voter
registration.
You
can't
be
idiotic
enough
to
think
that
people
being
required
to
have
ID
on
the
door.
Won't
increase
postal
voter
registrations,
of
course
people
are
going
to
do
it
because
it's
less
effort
than
going
in
on
on
the
day,
especially
for
people
that
don't
have
ID,
it
might
be
free,
but
it's
a
Time
cost.
N
It's
an
effort,
cost
it's
a
technology
cost
of
being
able
and
willing
to
register
for
a
free
ID,
even
if
it
is
included
in
part
of
the
legislation.
It's
not
just
about
money
which
I
know
is
basically
the
only
thing
the
Tories
understand,
but
whatever
I'm
just
going
to
say
what
everybody
knows
for
a
fact.
We
don't
want
this
vote
this
legislation,
because
it
we
know
it
will
have
the
it
won't
benefit
us.
It
will
benefit
the
Tories.
N
The
Tories
want
this
legislation
because
it
will
benefit
them
and
that's
just
a
fact
that
is
truthful
and
that's
all
that
we
should
be
when
speaking
on
behalf
of
our
residents.
The
truth
is
you
want
it
because
it
will
increase
your
votes.
We
don't
want
it
because
it
will
reduce
our
votes
plain
and
simple,
but
that's
the
only
reason
this
legislation
has
gone
forward.
N
That's
why
it's
gone
forward
in
America
under
people
like
Trump,
because
they
would
rather
disenfranchise
people
than
actually
have
a
functional
democracy,
and
if
any
of
you
vote,
I
I've
got
another
point.
So
I'll
go
on
to
that,
but
you've
probably
all
been
whipped
to
vote
on
this.
Some
of
you
probably
genuinely
believe
the
absolute
tripe
that
you're
spouting.
N
N
There's
always
the
fundamental
question
you
need
to
ask
yourself:
is
we
want
it
to
be
scrapped?
You
wanted
to
go
ahead,
but
we
have
the
benefit
of
it.
Also
being
the
right
thing
to
do
to
not
disenfranchise
people,
so
you
can
vote.
However,
you
want,
but
you
can
either
vote
for
what
benefits
you
and
destroys
democracy,
or
you
can
vote
for
the
right
thing
as
we
will
be
doing
and
maybe
risk
losing
your
seats
at
the
next
election,
losing
your
control
of
government
at
the
next
election.
Half
of
you
are
going
to
be
gone
anyway.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
well,
I
had
hoped
to
draw
together
some
of
the
comments,
but
I
think
I've
been
preempted
in
that.
But
there
is
one
saying
in
fact:
that's
been
not
covered
this
evening,
and
that
is
that
the
previous
labor
government
did
try
to
introduce
ID
cards,
and
that
was
rescinded
by
the
coalition
government
as
an
affront
to
Liberty.
If
we'd
had
ID
cards
now
we
wouldn't
be
having
this
conversation.
It
would
be
so
much
easier
to
to
Institute.
F
Don't
need
ID
cards,
so
you
have
to
have
ID
to
vote
so
postal
voter
fraud,
a
postal
voter
I,
can't
see
how
you
could
possibly
conflate
postal
voter
fraud
with
having
to
bring
ID
to
a
polling
station,
as
councilor
Harrison
suggests.
The
likelihood
is,
the
more
people
will
apply
for
postal
votes
as
a
result
of
this
legislation,
and
one
other
thing
I
would
note
as
well.
Is
the
voter
turnout
voter
turnout?
Yes,
we
have
lower
voter
turnout
in
a
lot
of
our
labor
Wards
than
some
of
the
the
highest
turnout.
F
F
I
think
you
can
see
where
this
is
heading
in
terms
of
it
is
going
to
make
it
easier
for
Tories
to
get
elected
in
wards
where
they
have
higher
turnout,
and
that
was
known
about
by
this
government
and
given
the
perilous
position
of
this
government
now.
This
looks
like
a
very
desperate
act
to
try
and
cling
on
to
power
and
I
really
do
worry
about
some
of
the
attacks
on
human
Liberties
that
this
Tory
government
is
enacting.
F
K
X
C
X
W
C
C
AE
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I'm
pleased
to
give
some
updates
on
progress
to
councilor
fillable,
so
as
part
of
the
updated
Community
Building
strategy,
new
proposals
for
Community
buildings,
leases
and
service
level
Agreements
are
scheduled
to
come
to
cabinet
on
the
1st
of
November
2022,
followed
by
a
cep
in
January
2023.
If
agreed
by
the
chair
over
the
last
three
months,
the
property
operations
team
has
reviewed
leases
and
licenses
and,
where
appropriate,
to
appropriate,
corrected
information
held
on
the
council's
database,
particularly
on
end
dates.
This
work
is
ongoing.
AE
The
review
they've
reviewed,
Scout
premises,
leases
which
are
being
renewed.
There
are
13
community
centers,
where
the
leases
have
expired
out
of
a
total
of
24..
In
the
case
of
the
Haymarket
theater
I'm
pleased
to
advise
Council
that
this
lease
has
just
been
renewed
under
the
proposed
Community
Building
strategy.
New
leases
will
provide
for
a
more
consistent
approach
in
management
for
all
parties.
AE
When
the
new
leases
lease
arrangements
are
have
been
formally
agreed,
officers
will
Target
those
leases
that
have
either
expired
or
are
coming
to
an
end
within
the
next
12
to
18
months.
AE
Officers
will
be
mindful
of
organizations
where
there
may
be
Grant
applications
and
early
resolution
required
and
will
prioritize
it
accordingly,
as
councilor
furthermore,
has
requested.
We
can
provide
him
and
the
chair
of
cep
with
the
list
of
community
centers,
showing
lease
expiry
dates
and
recently
renewed
leases
if
he
wishes.
C
W
AE
We
should
have
come
back
in
writing
to
councilor
Phillip,
Moore
and
I.
Apologize
for
that
and
I
will
ensure
that,
with
the
officer
help
that
we
we
make
sure
that
doesn't
happen
in
future.
M
Yes,
thank
you.
Well,
let
me
bring
us
back
to
the
cost
of
living
crisis
and
remind
all
members
that
the
one-off
grant
scheme
to
provide
positive
learning
support
advice
was
approved
by
this
Council
as
part
of
the
revenue
out
term
report
on
the
14th
of
July
this
year,
following
a
motion
that
was
agreed
five
months
earlier
in
February
and
subsequently
a
cabinet
decision
dated
the
5th
of
July.
It's
now
over
three
months
since
the
approval,
please
explain
why
the
scheme
is
not
yet
operational.
Thank
you.
AE
Mr
Mayor.
Yes,
thank
you
I'm
happy
to
give
an
update
to
councilor
Makai,
as
you
said,
Canada's
on
the
5th
of
July
2022
considered
and
approved
a
carry
forward
of
the
60
000
pounds
of
unspent
Council
of
Grant
scheme,
and
this
is
to
be
you.
This
is
to
be
used
on
a
one-off
basis
in
2022-23
to
provide
a
grant
scheme
for
organizations
to
apply
for
funding
to
give
advice
and
support
activities
in
relation
to
the
cost
of
living
increases.
AE
AE
The
proposed
approach
with
the
UK
shared
Prosperity
fund
is
to
set
up
a
grant
scheme
that
will
provide
both
revenue
and
capital
funding
to
enable
community-led
interventions
based
on
needs
identified
by
communities
themselves,
to
reflect
the
current
challenges
for
faced
by
residents
with
a
cost
of
living
crisis.
The
focus
of
this
Fund
in
this
financial
year
will
be
on
enabling
community-led
projects
that
will
provide
support
to
Residents
to
overcome
this
difficult
period.
It
is
intended
that
the
criteria
will
be
flexible
so
that
Community
groups
can
identify
innovative
solutions
to
supporting
residents.
AE
Themes
could
include
practical
advice
on
energy
use,
assistance
with
budget
and
financial
management
or
activities
to
reduce
food
waste.
It
is
intended
that
the
sixty
thousand
pound
councilor
Grant
underspend
will
be
allocated,
in
addition,
as
part
of
the
scheme
giving
these
organizations
the
opportunity
to
apply
for
an
increased
Grant
some
this
year,
I.E
a
total
in
this
financial
year
of
a
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
pounds.
AE
M
I'd
just
like
to
express
disappointment
that
the
scheme
that
could
have
been
entirely
in
our
hands
locally
has
been
wedded
to
something
that
clearly
requires
a
response
from
central
government.
I.
Think
it's
unfortunate,
because
if
we
hadn't
made
that
decision
to
tie
the
two
together
I,
don't
believe
the
larger
scheme
would
have
been
diminished
and
perhaps
the
scheme
to
benefit
organizations
like
the
cab
and
basingstop
or
tatley
could
already
have
been
operational
by
now.
Is.
AE
Unnoted
councilman,
but
we
I
can
assure
you
that
whatever
happens
with
the
fund
from
the
government,
we
will
make
sure
that
that
money
that
under
spend
of
sixty
thousand
pounds
is
is
distributed.