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A
A
Members,
it's
now
a
6
30.
So
we'll
start
tonight,
scrutiny
committee
I'll
just
read
out
the
housekeeping
rules,
so
there
is
no
fire
alarm
scheduled
for
this
evening
and
therefore
the
fire
on
sounds.
Please
evacuate
the
building
immediately
following
the
fire
exits
before
exit
is
located
at
the
side
of
the
room
and
we
can
exit
through
reception
meeting
the
War
Memorial
Park.
This
evening's
meeting
will
be
webcast,
so
the
meeting
is
being
webcast.
Live
on.
A
The
internet
will
be
available
to
view
on
YouTube
after
the
meeting,
and
please
make
sure
your
mobile
phones
are
switched
off
or
turned
to
silent,
so
my
name
is
Jack
grounds.
I'm,
the
Democratic
and
electoral
services
manager
at
the
council
and
the
chair
has
sent
his
apologies
for
this
evening.
So
we
are
due
to
a
point
of
Vice
chair
tonight,
so
we
will
take
item
number
four
on
the
agenda.
First
to
appoint
the
vice
chair.
B
Can
I
propose
councilor
McIntyre.
A
Is
in
favor
of
counselor
to
stain
s
and
all
those
in
favor,
that's
four,
so
Council
sustain
is
appointed
as
Vice
chair
for
the
committee
and,
if
you'd
like
to
take
the
chair.
C
Sorry,
a
point
of
watching
just
for
clarification,
I
thought
this
scrutiny
committee
was
meant
to
have
a
member
of
opposition
as
chair
as
chairs.
D
Sorry,
just
to
pick
that
point
up.
Obviously
it's
the
vice
chair
position,
but
I
accept
what
you're
saying
that
in
normal
circumstances,
the
chair
would
obviously
be
a
chair
opposition.
But
as
we
just
clarified,
the
labor
group
are
not
part
of
the
coalition.
E
All
right,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
that
support
and
don't
worry
councilor
McIntyre.
We
all
have
good
scrutiny
here.
E
So,
moving
on
to
item
five,
which
is
minutes
of
the
meeting
held
on
the
21st
of
March,
or
do
we
need
to
go
back?
Do
we
need
to
go
back
to
item
one
right?
Okay,.
E
I
haven't
been
briefed,
so
sorry
right
back
to
item
one.
Are
there
any
apologies
for
absence
and
substitutions,
but
if
we
have
councilor
Miller.
B
I
must
declare
a
similar
that
held
the
process
of
cabinet
for
planning
infrastructure,
so
there
will
be
a
key
performance
indicators
that
could
be
against
my
name.
E
Okay,
thank
you,
I'm.
Sorry,
moving
on
to
item
five
minutes
of
the
meeting
held
on
the
21st
of
March.
Do
we
believe
there
are
true
record?
Oh
sorry,
I
should
be
looking
at
this.
This
is
like
a
briefing
right.
Sorry
about
that
urgent
matters
to
consider
any
artist
business
other
than
they've
shown
on
this
agenda,
which,
by
reason
of
special
circumstances
to
be
stated
meeting
in
the
opinion
of
the
chairman,
should
be
considered
at
the
meeting
as
a
matter
of
urgency.
E
So
are
the
committee
happy
that
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
held
on
the
21st
of
March
are
an
accurate
record?
You
sound
great
okay!
Thank
you
item
six,
the
quarter,
four,
twenty
twenty
two,
twenty
three
key
indicator,
Performance
Management
report,
so
Kate
Sallis
is
going
to
introduce
the
paper.
H
Thank
you
and
good
evening,
so
the
briefing
paper
in
front
of
you
submitted
for
scrutiny
summarizes
the
final
outturn
for
quarter
four
of
22-23
for
the
measures
in
place
for
this
monitoring
period,
I
would
like
to
add
that
in
February
2022
our
cabinet
agreed
the
set
of
measures
which
will
be
monitored
going
forward,
so
these
are
the
the
close
of
this
set
of
measures
being
monitored.
I
Thank
you
chair,
just
looking
at
the
the
whole
kpi
paper,
it's
very
useful.
Thank
you.
I
believe
was
this
a
new
exercise
last
year.
I
I
I
had
a
few
questions
and
they
related
to
how
some
of
the
items
are
measured,
obviously
overall
loads
of
green
on
the
paper,
which
is
really
good
and
reassuring,
and
then
I
sort
of
naturally
focus
in
on
the
areas
that
would
be
of
interest
to
me
or
that
I
would
have
some
personal
experience
of
so
apologies.
If
I
don't
comment
on
some
of
the
other
ambers
and
reds,
but
with
regards
to
the
debt
collection,
kpis.
I
Ff
d06.,
it's
page
16..
Thank
you.
Yeah,
ffd06
and
ffd07,
where
we,
where
we
have
percentage
collections
of
debt
collection
rates,
is,
is
that
measured
as
a
percentage
of
the
number
of
debts
that
are
out
standing
that
were
collected
or
a
percentage
of
the
pounds
that
were
outstanding
that
were
collected
I'd
normally
expect
to
see
debtor
days
as
a
as
a
more
appropriate
measure
of
of
how
quickly
we're
collecting
our
debts.
D
So
it's
actually
a
percentage
of
debts
in
pounds
value
in
terms
of
how
much
have
we
collected
in
terms
of
outstanding
debt
again
in
terms
of
these
indicators
that
these
are
the
corporate
indicators
that
support
the
council
plan.
There
are
service
indicators
that
form
part
service
plans
that
look
at
further
detail
that
sit
below
these,
and
what
we've
agreed
is
is
that
we
will
put
the
updated
information
on
the
members
Hub.
D
So
if
members
wish
to
see
them
all
detail
stuff
that
supports
the
delivery
of
the
services,
as
opposed
to
those
indicators
that
have
been
agreed
for
the
council
plan
that
they
are
more
than
welcome
to
see
those
things.
B
Thank
you,
chair,
mine
is
not
a
question.
It's
just
a
comment
on
a
page
three
pfb
zero
one.
If
we
look
through
the
the
last
sort
of
four
quarter
results,
you
would
see
there
the
performance
sort
of
decline
from
88
to
77
to
76,
but
it
would
be
ideal
to
the
measure
the
light
for
light
quarters
than
the
the
overall
yeah
indicators.
D
D
These
are
the
22
23
indicators
and
therefore
they're.
Just
a
factual
position
based
on
the
indicators
for
last
year
in
February,
just
gone
cabinet
approved
the
2324
indicators
and
obviously
went
through
a
process
of
receiving
feedback
and
comments
from
scrutiny
Committee
in
terms
of
thoughts
around
what
those
indicators
should
be
that
was
responded
to
by
the
leader
of
the
council
at
the
time
in
terms
of
what
those
indicators
will
be.
D
23,
24
and
there'll
be
a
similar
process
throughout
the
the
coming
months,
which
will
give
you
the
opportunity
to
feed
into
the
indicators
that
will
be
set
for
the
next
financial
year.
So
there
will
be
an
opportunity,
either
through
scrutiny
or
performance
panel,
which
is
a
later
engender
item
out
to
feedback
thoughts
in
terms
of
what
might
be
more
useful
and
then
the
the
new
leader
of
the
council
will
comment
on
those
indicators
in
terms
of
what
gets
put
forward
for
approval.
B
Thank
you.
It's
just
a
matter
of
How
It's
displayed
so
it'll
be
easier
to
compare
quite
a
full
to
quite
a
full,
rather
than
financially
yet
to
a
quarter
for
so
if
there
will
be
an
opportunity
to
do
that,
it'll
be
great.
Thank
you.
H
J
So
it
was
kind
of
a
question,
slash
comment
just
on
the
point
there
by
Sue.
Obviously,
we
should
constantly
be
challenging
ourselves
around
the
kpis
that
we've
set.
Are
they
right?
Should
we
be
adapting
them
Etc?
So,
having
looked
at
them
right
now,
I'm
looking
at
one
particular
kpi
I
think
it's
fcc01
and
I've
got
a
comment.
I
guess
around
the
way
in
which
we're
structuring
that
kpi
in
a
way
in
which
we
could
do
it
differently.
D
So
again,
the
kpis
for
23
24
that
we're
monitoring
going
forward
are
different
to
these
kpis.
So
you're
very
welcome
to
make
comments
on
these
kpis.
But
these
are
not
the
kpis
that
we'll
be
monitoring
going
forward.
So
by
all
means
make
those
comments.
They'll
be
recorded
in
the
notes,
those
comments
and
to
either
be
picked
up
at
some
point
by
screwing
it
or
by
performance
panel.
J
Sorry
so
I
take
the
point,
but
so
some
of
them
I
expect
we'll
still
be
there
in
23
24.
We
might
have
reframed
them
a
little
bit
so
I
guess
the
comment
that
I
might
like
to
make
around
one
of
them.
I
can't
remember
the
construct,
but
I.
Imagine
it's
fairly
similar
I.
Don't
think
we'll
have
overhauled
this
kpi,
but
I
do
think
there
is
a
better
way
in
which
we
might
want
to
approach
that
one.
K
Councilor
Harvey,
just
to
reassure
members,
obviously
22
23
and
23
24,
were
set
by
the
previous
cabinet
respect
that
today
is
set
but
I'm
hearing
what
you're
saying
so
we'll
capture
that
and
we'll
take
that
into
account
in
this
next
set
of
kpis
are
drafted
that
relate
to
the
outcoming
priorities,
but
also
the
council
plan
and
the
council
business.
So
I
hear
what
you're
saying.
L
Isb01
on
page
12.,
it
talks
about
percentage
of
respondents.
How
many
respondents
were
there
in
the
first
place.
L
D
C
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
appreciate
that
there's
going
to
be
some
work
going
forward,
looking
at
performance
indicators
for
my
sins,
I
I
do
a
quite
a
lot
of
spreadsheets
on
my
daily
basis
and
quite
a
lot
of
rag
status
as
well.
What
I
can't
understand
from
this
report?
That's
here,
is
where
the
range
is
for
Amber.
C
We
have
a
Target
and
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
documentation
that
any
any
indication
within
that
of
how
close
to
that
Target
you
get
before
it
changes
to
Amber
compared
to
Green,
so
I
think
that
might
be
beneficial
going
forward.
Just
to
the
comment
for
the
report
to
make
it
easier
reading.
Thank
you.
F
Yes,
yes,
Jeff
thanks
very
much
I
dislike
some
clarification
on
this
page
13,
one
of
the
top
ISE
zero
one,
which
is
about
no
number
of
homeless
households,
would
dependent
children,
placing
a
B
and
B
during
the
quarter
year
to
date,
and
the
narrative
tells
me
that
the
rate
of
increased
use
of
bed
and
breakfast
is
continuing
to
slow
during
the
final
quarter
of
the
year
and
then
The
Two
Reds
quarter
three
and
quarter
for
22
and
30.
I.
Just
someone
can
clarify
that.
D
K
The
complication
would
have
been
breakfast
particular
kpi
relates
to
the
context
in
which
it's
so
covid
had
a
direct
impact.
I
understand
on
that
figure
in
quite
a
dramatic
way,
because
the
standards
and
Target
got
set
in
an
unrealistic
sense
to
how
it
would
be
normally
so
that
had
a
direct
impact
in
terms
of
those
figures,
but
in
the
sense
of
going
forward,
I'm
understood
by
our
housing
colleagues
that
the
the
nature
of
how
they
describe
it
as
a
widget.
The
idea
of
how
you
describe
a
particular
figure.
K
There
will
be
a
far
more
contextual
piece
that
they
are
able
to
give
us
from
that
perspective
of
bed
and
breakfast
for
other
members
to
see
in
their
reports
and
I,
think
that's
quite
useful
and
how
we
look
at
an
individual
figure.
You're
right.
You
pick
it
out
and
it
needs
the
context
with
it
without
a
shadow
of
a
doubt.
I
I
The
HR
kpis,
obviously
it's
not
great-
to
see
some
red
around
star
turnover
and
voluntary
resignation
in
particular,
I
think
that
one's
being
addressed
with
the
recent
HR
pay
and
benefits
review.
So
I
didn't
plan
to
dwell
on
that.
The.
I
Me
a
little
more
is
that
total
work
time
lost
due
to
sickness,
where
it's
it's
we're,
targeting
two
two
and
two
percent
and
or
two
and
a
half
percent
and
we're
hitting
4.6.
And
then
we
talk
about
it
being
2.1
percent
above
Target,
which
of
course
it
is
if
you
take
one
percentage
in
the
other,
although
of
course,
if
you
take
one
percentage
as
a
percentage
of
the
other,
it's
approximately
100
above
Target.
I
Does
anyone?
Is
anyone
able
to
comment
on
that
kpi
in
particular
and
or
what
what
the
council's
plan
is
to
do
about
that.
D
So
I
think
the
target
was
in
I
think
as
per
some
of
the
other
targets
that
were
linked
to
the
achievement
during
covered,
because
a
lot
of
people
were
working
from
home,
not
not
obviously
mixing
with
other
people,
not
anymore
they're,
not
getting
covered,
they
weren't
getting
flues
and
coughs,
and
things
like
that
and
people,
perhaps
weren't
reporting
their
sickness
in
the
same
way,
and
therefore
it
was
history.
You
know
for
that
period
beforehand
it
was
really
really
low.
D
So
we
definitely
need
to
think
about
the
the
target
going
forward
and
in
this
particular
scenario
Target.
It
always
feels
like
the
wrong
word,
but
you
know
a
limit
for
intensive
purposes.
D
D
So
there
is
a
massive
piece
of
work
around
well-being,
which
is
one
of
the
key
indicators
in
terms
of
one
of
the
key
issues
why
people
are
off
sick
and
there's
a
significant
amount
of
work
being
undertaken
with
officers
and
a
huge
well-being
program
to
help
try
and
address
some
of
those
things.
But
this
is
actually
being
skewed
somewhat
by
a
couple
of
very
long-term
ill
health.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
It's
like
actually
on
this
paper,
but
I
think
recalling
from
the
HR
committee
and
the
stats
we
saw
then
I
I
believe
we
have
something
like
an
average
of
12
sick
days
per
person.
I,
don't
know
what
colleagues
think,
but
I
know
in
the
private
sector.
We'd
expect
something
sub,
8
or
possibly
even
four
to
five
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
got
any
views
on
that.
G
Thanks
Jack
I
think
probably
what
would
be
helpful
is
if
you
had
a
comparison
with
other
councils,
that
of
similar
size
and
level.
You
know
other
District
councils,
I
know
when
I
questioned
what
I
consider
to
be
really
high
turnover
and
High
voluntary
leaving
I
was
given
data,
which
illustrates
it
to
me
that,
although
it
was
unusual
in
my
experience
of
employment,
it
was
not
unusual
for
Council,
but
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
that
data.
D
So
I'm
happy
to
feed
that
back
and
that
can
be
a
recommendation
to
HR
committee
for
their
update
of
their
Workforce
report.
Foreign.
E
And
I
think
I
think
it
was
councilor
Ganesh
first
and
then
it'll,
be
you
the
counselor.
Whatever
your
name
is.
B
Thank
you
chair,
so
this
is
in
another
example
of
it
could
be
worth
comparing
Q4
to
Q
for
this
stuff
sickness
and
because
it
is
seasonal,
and
it
would
be
ideal
to
include
the
suggestion
that
I
made
previously
like
for
like
comparison,
is
probably
what
idea.
Thank
you.
D
It's
a
rolling
program
effectively
of
12
months,
so
it's
the
reason
we
don't
compare
like
with
life
is
because,
obviously
it's
as
you
say,
it
is
seasonal,
but
a
whole
rafter.
Things
can
impact
on
that.
So
it
is
just
an
annual
annual
percentage,
but
we
can
certainly
look
to
see
if
there's
any
major
comparative
difference
to
see
whether
that
would
be
an
improved
indicator
for
you.
N
Yeah
on
the
sickness,
if
it'd
be
nice
to
know,
if
there's
an
underlying
problem,
we
don't
know
about
whether
it's
one
thing
that's
causing
this
and
I
think
that
which
happens
in
workforces
across
across
everywhere.
Something
happens
within
the
in
the
context
of
the
firm
or
whatever.
Maybe
work
stress
things
like
that:
it'd
be
nice,
as
a
committee
we'd
know
what
that
is.
If
that
is
a
major
factor,
so.
J
J
D
N
Yeah
I
I
did
I
I
knew
that,
but
when
you're
looking
at
figures
and
when
they're
coming
up,
if
there's
one
underlying
Factor,
that's
coming
up
in
this
committee,
when
we
look
at
it,
we
think
well
that's
wrong.
If
it
can
be
pointed
out
what
the
underlying
factor
is
and
then
might
probably
make
sense,
if
that
makes
sense,.
C
Thank
you.
So
this
one
is
PB
pfb04
on
page
13.
C
number
of
planning
appeals
a
load
lost,
so
this
one's
a
little
bit
of
a
bonic
intention
for
me,
because
last
year
was
my
first
year
as
a
counselor
and
I
can
remember,
being
invited
to
a
presentation
in
the
chamber
where
we
were
left
in
no
doubters
counselors,
that
this
Council
was
at
risk
of
having
our
planning
decisions
taken
away
from
us
because
we
looked
like
we
were
having
our
performance
was:
wasn't
too
good
in
a
number
of
appeals
being
overturned,
and
then
you
look
at
this
kpi
and
it's
green
across
the
board.
C
But
when
you
look
at
the
text,
it
does
talk
about
the
the
quality
of
decision
at
the
end.
So
again,
I
think
this
goes
back
to
that.
What
is
Amber,
because
this
doesn't
marry
up
to
the
scare
story
we
were
given
in
the
the
chambers.
I
think.
Definitely,
that
was
probably
a
performance
indicator
that
just
needs
a
little
bit
more
finesse
so
that
if
we
are
getting
the
message
to
to
councilors
it,
perhaps
we
need
to
be
a
little
bit
more
robust.
C
That
happens,
but
if
we
can
also
negate
the
scare
stories
of
the
article
stories
that
would
help
as
well.
Thank
you.
D
Foreign,
so
I
think
at
the
point
of
time,
when
that
information
was
briefed,
the
council
were
looking
to
put
further
funding
into
the
planning
service
in
order
to
be
able
to
address,
firstly,
a
number
of
backlog
activity,
but
also
identifying
the
fact
that
that
it's
it's
more
about
the
fact
that
if
we
lose
more
than
sort
of
10
of
our
appeals,
that
also
has
a
negative
impact
in
terms
of
it
highlights
the
the
council
in
terms
of
why
you're
having
so
many
appeals
overturned.
So
there's
two
different
indicators
here.
D
One
is
how
many
were
actually
the
backlog
and
how
much
we're
getting
through,
and
also
the
how
many
of
how
many
planning
decisions
are
being
overturned
at
appeal.
So
there
was
two
different
issues
that
the
council
was
facing,
and
what
this
is
now
reflecting
is
that
that
intervention
in
terms
of
additional
resources
and
that
ongoing
budget
Provisions,
so
that
that
continues
is
now
having
a
positive
effect
and
actually
we're
now
achieving
the
targets
that
we
should
be
achieving.
That
will
keep
us
outside
of
those
particular
sanctions.
C
Thanks
for
that
explanation,
but
again
this
is
where
I
would
expect
to
see
if
we
were
running
quite
close
to
the
wind
that
our
kpis
would
have
indicated
that
with
perhaps
an
Amber
through
one
of
the
quarters
which
I'm
not
saying
I,
don't
get
that
from
looking
at
that
kpi,
but
I
appreciate
the
explanation
you
gave
I
accept
it.
Thank
you.
E
I'm
going
to
add
my
question
at
that
point
because,
based
what
councilman
McIntyre
said,
so
you
mentioned
10,
but
if
we've
got
a
Target
here
of
about
33,
that
sounds
like
that's,
not
necessarily
the
right
target,
then
so
that's
possibly.
Obviously
it
is
green.
It
reflects
where
the
targets
are,
but
potentially
that
might
be
something
where
we
need
to
look
at
that.
D
So
I
think,
if
you
looked
at
the
previous
year's
performance
indicators,
that's
where
you
would
have
seen
the
red
and
the
Amber
this
this
particular
additional
resource
has
been
in
place
for
over
12
months
now
so
you're
gonna
you're,
seeing
the
continuous
position
throughout
22
23,
and
this
indicator
relates
to
one
of
them.
But
because
of
the
explanation
that
was
given
in
terms
of
the
briefing
I
was
just
explaining,
there
was
a
separate
issue
as
well,
which
is
not
necessarily
reflected
here.
K
You
chair,
I,
think
just
to
to
agree
with
Sue
in
terms
of
the
direction
of
this
one
and
note
that
this
was
cabinet's
choice
of
the
key
pick
API.
They
wanted
on
this,
which
I
respect
because
it
was
their
choice.
But
you
are
right.
There's
two
different
things
here:
there's
what
we
see
as
being
both
Miners
and
Majors,
combined
into
this
appeal
figure
and
the
major
issue
that
you've
rightly
identified
was
what
was
raised
because
it
was
the
major
applications
that
caused
the
concern
with
the
government
Target
and
it's
the
government's
period
of
time.
K
So
they
set
the
time
as
the
government
targets
the
government
criteria
and
that's
of
the
concern,
because
that's
where
we're
being
held
to
account
on
that
particular
Point.
As
you
rightly
say
whether
we
should
include
it
in
here
as
a
matter
that
we
can
take
away,
but
the
company.
This
is
our
kpi
rather
than
the
government's
kpi,
and
that
was
set
by
the
previous
cabinet.
D
So
there
is
a
fine
line
in
terms
of
reporting
that
particular
indicator.
So
let's
say,
for
example,
the
council
is
at
9.5
percent
before
it
tips
over
the
10.
We
cannot
in
any
way
they
perform,
give
it
give
any
aspect
of
predetermination
in
terms
of
appeals,
and
you
know,
influence
in
terms
of
what
that
decision
might
be.
So
appreciating
that
it
is
just
an
indicator,
it's
actually
quite
a
difficult
indicator
to
report.
D
E
I
Sebastian
I'd
just
like
to
build
on
councilor
McIntyre's
point
about
Amber
criteria
and
I.
Think
my
first
comment
I
made
was
you
know
it's
the
sea
of
green,
which
looks
great.
I
I
One
of
them
is
ffbo1
and
they're
both
related
to
time
bounce,
so
they're,
both
sort
of
absolute
but
they've,
both
been
perhaps
scored
differently
because
of
the
time
bounds.
So
if
we
look
at
ffbo1
achievement
of
an
unqualified
audit
opinion.
Yes,
it's
very
true
that
we
do
expect
to
receive
an
unqualified
audit
opinion.
I
However,
it
has
been
delayed
and
it
has
been
delayed
because
of
some
underlying
issues
with
regards
to
property
evaluations
which
were
originally
delayed
and
have
been
passing
through
audit
committee
for
over
six
months.
So
I
look
at
that.
One
and
I
just
think
it's
slightly
disingenuous
to
Market
green,
because
I
think
it
should
be
Amber,
the
other
one
that
I
had
a
a
query
on
was
ffe07
and
again
it's
a
timing
issue.
I
It
sorry
ffe05,
which
is
on
page
17.,
end-of-year
appraisal,
completion
percentage,
so
we're
targeting
a
certain
completion
of
appraisals
within
a
certain
time
frame.
Now
this
one's
just
grayed
out-
and
it
says
our
explanation-
is
the
year-end
appraiser
completion
has
been
extended
and
as
such
at
present
we're
able
to
report
on
this.
Well,
didn't
we
fail,
it
then
didn't
we
miss
it
I'm
sure,
there's
good
reasons
for
extending
it.
I
However,
when
I've
been
responsible
for
this
kpi
in
other
situations,
one
is
expected.
We
have
to
deliver
a
certain
number
of
appraisals
by
a
certain
time
frame
so
that
they're
relevant
to
staff
for
the
year
and
object
objective
setting
for
the
year
ahead,
so
I'm
pretty
uncomfortable
with
that
one
being
grayed
out
I
think
you
know
overall
I
think
we
need
to
be
tougher
with
ourselves.
D
So
take
the
point
on
the
audit
opinion,
the
obviously
it's
it's
actually
because
this
is
the
22
23,
not
21,
22
indicators.
We
do
expect
to
have
an
unqualified
but
you're,
absolutely
right.
It
has
not
been
confirmed
and
it
won't
be
confirmed,
probably
until
if
we're
lucky
this
time
next
year,
but
the
so
I
take
a
point
on
that
one
and
with
the
linked
to
the
annual
appraisals.
D
Again,
it's
just
to
make
sure
that
the
annual
appraisals
are
undertaken,
but
there's
a
period
of
time
for
which
officers
and
their
the
person
that's
heard
the
appraisal
or
undertaken
the
appraisal
to
actually
feel
the
documentation
is
there's
two
different
things
here,
so
it
could
be
actually
that
100.
M
D
Appraisals
have
been
undertaken
by
the
end
of
March,
for
example,
but
it's
usually,
we
usually
say
by
the
end
of
April,
but
actually
until
they
go
on
to
the
system,
we
have
actually
no
way
of
measuring
when
they
were
undertaken
and
I.
Think
what
will
be
helpful
for
you,
as
members
is
a
is
a
narrative
around
the
fact
that,
due
to
other
work
pressures,
the
appraisals
have
happened,
but
not
necessarily
that
they
haven't
all
gone
on
the
system
and
there's
no
other
way
of
actually
monitoring
their
effectiveness.
So
we
you're
absolutely
right.
D
We
should
it
would
still
be
to
be
confirmed,
but
we
could
actually
stay
at
this
point
in
time.
This
is
the
number
that
have
been
achieved
and
here's
the
reason
why
we're
behind
in
getting
all
everything
onto
the
system
as
opposed
to
people,
have
had
their
actual
appraisals,
so
we'll
certainly
take
that
away
and
have
a
think
about
how
we
might
be
able
to
improve
that.
G
Thanks
I'm
just
going
to
support
Gaza
Basham
on
this
one
I
mean
having
come
from
a
statutory
sector
organization
and
we
were
told
if
we
didn't
do
our
appraisals
within
a
particular
time
frame.
It
was
a
disciplinary
issue.
So
I
think
this
is
about
priorities.
G
If
appraisals
are
a
priority
for
the
council,
then
by
a
certain
month,
if
it's
unreasonable
to
say
that
they're
logged
by
the
end
of
March,
then
okay
by
the
end
of
April,
but
we
need
to
have
a
deadline
by
which
they
should
be,
because
that
reflects
the
priority
that
we
believe
that
appraisals
are
so
there
isn't
slippage
in
it,
so
that
people
do
actually
do
them.
So
I
think
we
do
need
to
tighten
up
on
it.
Somehow,
that's
my
personal
View,
absolutely.
D
Happy
to
take
that
away,
I
would
just
add
in
that
there
was
an
added
complication
throughout
the
period
this
year
due
to
the
pain,
benefits
review
in
terms
of
people
signing
up
for
that
discussion
and
wanting
to
be
part
of
the
conversation
so
fully
appreciate,
we
would
normally
expect
them
all
to
be
written
up
and
on
the
system
by
the
end
of
May,
but
obviously
people
were
in
a
period
of
flux
in
terms
of
wanting
to
be
part
of
that
appraisal
process.
So
I
think
that
going
forward
yeah.
D
Actually,
we
can
tell
you
that
it's
the
end
of
May,
normally
that
we
want
them
written
up
on
the
system
and
they
should
have
all
been
undertaken
and
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
Normally
we
would.
We
may
give
an
exception
if
an
officer's
been.
You
know,
prioritized
another
piece
of
work
and
hasn't
been
able
to
do
it,
but
we'll
certainly
take
away
and
have
a
look
at
how
we
can
either
get
onto
the
system
more
appropriately
or
at
least
recall
that
the
appraisal
has
been
undertaken.
J
Thank
you.
I'm
I
just
want
to
comment
on
SCC
01,
which
is
customer
satisfaction
with
major
Council
owned
sports
facilities.
Accepting
this
is
22-23,
but
I
believe
it
is
in
23-24
and
I
would
hope
that
we
still
care
about
customer
satisfaction
in
24
25,
around
Council,
owned
sports
facilities,
having
sort
of
held
the
portfolio-
and
you
know
Reflections
a
great
thing
and
I
think
when
you're
under
details.
J
Sometimes
you
kind
of
you
may
Overlook
things
and
I
think
when
I'm
looking
at
this
kpi
now
I'm
assuming
it's
an
average
of
all
the
csat
scores
that
we
have
across
the
facilities.
But
actually,
if
most
of
our
residents
are
going
to
the
aquadrome
or
tadley,
we
should
be
giving
greater
weighting
to
the
csat
scores
there,
because
actually
that
reflects
40
of
what
our
residents
are
using
and
if
that's
sat
down
at
60
70.
J
It
just
feels
like
that,
wouldn't
be
truly
reflected
in
the
overall
number
and
I
think
just
a
kind
of
supplementary
comment,
which
is
an
ongoing
challenge
that
I
had
with
the
portfolio
is
that
we
do
know.
We
have
a
number
of
issues
with
some
of
our
facilities,
namely
the
aqua,
gym
and
I
continue
to
challenge
even
now
not
having
the
portfolio
is
83
at
the
aquadrome
truly
of
a
fair
reflection
of
customer
satisfaction.
J
Are
we
gauging
customer
satisfaction
in
the
right
way,
because
I
would
argue
based
on
what
we
see
across
social
media
Etc?
That
actually
is,
is
the
figure
really
83?
So
it's
kind
of
twofold:
it's
really
challenging
Us
in
the
way
that
we
are
gathering
csat,
but
equally
the
waiting
in
which
we're
giving
to
that
csap
because
I'm,
assuming
we
just
take
all
of
the
scores
divide
it
by
how
many
we
have
and
there's
our
percentage,
but
that
then
I
think
is
skewing.
D
C
Thank
you,
p-e-a01.
C
A
b
c
and
pea01
page
12.,
which
is
all
about
the
The
increased
percentage
in
household
rest,
can
I
just
ask
how
that
kpi
is
is
calculated
because.
C
Is
it
is
an
increase
per
quarter,
or
is
it
comparing
each
quarter
against
last
year's
I
think
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
I,
don't
understand
how
the
percentage
figures
calculated,
what
we're
measuring
against!
Thank
you.
I
I
just
want
to
do
Echo
what
counts
have
been
said
about
sports
I.
I
can't
remember
the
exact
where
I
saw
it,
but
I
think
it
might
have
been
in
the
annual
report
of
the
draft
annual
report.
I
But
we
have
a
number
of
metrics
that
we
score
against
ourselves
against
as
a
council
and
we
were
outperforming
in
many
of
them
or
there
are
thereabouts
in
a
couple,
but
the
one
that
we
were
really
slipping
in
I
think
we
had
49
and
it
was
to
do
with
Sport
and
sports
facilities
generally,
so
I
just
wanted
to
Echo
how
important
that
kpi
was
and
I.
I
Just
wonder
whether,
since
some
of
us
are
new
to
the
committee-
and
you
know,
we
didn't
go
through
the
Genesis
of
these
kpis
and
some
of
the
questions
that
are
coming
up-
whether
we
could
do
with
sort
of
a
glossary
might
might
help.
I
don't
make
the
report
longer,
but
it
might
help
you
get
quite
a
lot
of
questions.
I,
don't
know.
D
So
so
I
think
I'll
pick
it
up
with
Katie
offline,
but
what
we'll
try
and
do
is
because
we
have
obviously,
as
you
say
previously
brought
through
for
the
23
24
ones,
which
will
be
looking
at
going
forward.
We
did
actually
go
through
all
the
calculations
Etc,
so
we
should
have
that
information
that
we
can
pull
together.
What
I
propose
is
actually
we
share
that
with
committee
members
in
advance,
so
the
next
time
we
discuss
indicators
and
if
there's
anything
you
require
clarification,
I'll
be
happy
to
do
that.
I
Thank
you,
Sue
I
would
just
add
that
you
know
there
is
a
sea
of
green
there
and
it
is
remarkable
and
it
is
an
overall
challenging
very
long,
challenging
list
and
well
done
to
officers
World
under
the
former
Administration
I.
Think.
O
Thank
you,
isd01
page
12
reduction
in
anti-social
Behavior,
just
like
considerable
query
about
how
we
measure
that,
because
I
know
an
awful
lot
of
residents
who
are
not
bothering
to
report
anything
because
they
don't
feel
that
their
concerns
are
being
addressed
when
they
do
report
them.
O
L
O
In
court
reporting
things
to
the
non-emergency
number,
they
complain
that
they're
not
hearing
back
for
for
days,
if
not
weeks
on
occasion,
so
I
just
wondering
how
we're
measuring
that,
and
if
there
is
a
better
way
that
we
can
measure
it
at
all.
Going
on.
D
So
we
will
get
a
formal
response
for
you,
but
my
understanding
is
that
this
is
not
the
police
information
in
terms
of
their
ASB
complaints.
This
is
things
that
our
cpsos
and
deal
with
when
they're
out
and
about
so
it's
it's
that
internal
piece,
not
the
actual
activity.
That's
therefore
monitored
by
the
police.
O
I
know
again
again,
sometimes
there's
a
issue
with
feedback
there.
For
example,
people
complaining
to
the
cspos
about
cannabis,
use
in
local
parks,
for
example,
and
I'm
sure
that
it's
being
you
know
that
they
are
patrolling
afterwards,
but
I'm
not
sure
what
the
feedback
is
being
heard
by
the
residents
at
times.
E
I
just
got
something
to
add
on
that.
Actually,
because
I
did
raise
in
the
work
program
meeting
to
get
an
item
about
ASB
and
getting
some
good
scrutiny
on
that
one,
because
it's
something
that
I
feel
very
strongly
about,
because
I've
got
a
lot
of
issues
around
this
and
I.
Think
I
totally
agree
with
you
that
I
don't
think
we're
getting
getting
a
good
enough.
Even
if
it's
just
the
information-
that's
not
coming
back
to
us,
but
we
we
need
to
look
at
that
properly.
E
K
Harvey,
thank
you,
chair
I
would
just
pick
out
the
excellent
work
that
our
cspos
are
doing
and
in
terms
of
the
conversation
of
the
debate.
It's
around
the
statistics,
the
figures
and
how
we
measure
something,
and
that's
really
interesting
thing
with
the
kpis,
isn't
it
we
can
try
to
find
a
kpi
that
is
as
tangible
and
direct
and
gives
you
the
information
you
require.
But
it's
something
to
reflect
I.
Think
after
the
debate
this
evening,
which
is
the
same
debate
we
had
last
year,
which
was
the
same
debate.
K
We
had
the
last
few
days
before
that
and
there's
the
debate
we
have
every
year,
so
I'm,
definitely
listening
to
what
you're
saying
this
evening
in
terms
of
the
future
kpis.
Obviously
23
24
is
set
24
to
25
will
be
different
and
I'm
hearing
what
you're
saying
but
I
would
just
put
it
on
the
record.
The
excellent
work
that
I
see
sbos
do
and
how
much
are
we
all
are
no
support.
C
Thanks
I
do
apologize,
I,
don't
like
the
sound
of
my
own
voice.
I
do
just
want
to
reiterate
cancer
bashams
and
Harvey's
thanks
to
the
officers
for
the
hard
work
that
they're
doing
and
I
do
have
another
knit
to
pick
though
I
apologize.
However,
this
is
actually
it's
doing,
UF
even
leader,
because
I
think
I'm
going
to
make
your
your
your
keep
your
eyes
look
green
next
year,
isc04
page
13.,
the
the
title
of
the
kPa,
is
new
placements
into
private
private,
rented
sector
per
annum.
C
So
you
obviously
look
at
the
Target
we're
trying
to
achieve
which
I'm
assuming
is
greater
than
or
equal
to
64.,
and
as
you
look
at
the
quarter,
it's
obviously
increased
at
the
tail
end.
Is
that
because
we're
measuring
the
quarters
performance
against
the
per
annum
Target.
C
K
I
think
that
specifically
relates
to
the
obviously
the
greater
use
of
the
rent
Bond
scheme,
so
in
some
ways
you're
right.
The
green
indicates
the
success
of
the
scheme
and
that's
something
to
we
should
all
celebrate.
Obviously,
but
I
take
the
point
we
can
take
that
back
to
Kate,
but
I
do
think
that
reflects
the
use
of
the
scheme
and
how
good
it's
been,
so
to
speak.
To
achieve
the
end
that
we've
achieved
there
for
people
getting
them
into
accommodation
using
the
rent
one
scheme.
E
I
think,
if
that's
the
case,
we
need
to
I
just
are
going
to
sum
up.
I've
heard
it
seems
to
be
a
lot
again.
Questions
around
the
actual
kpis
themselves,
particularly
one
that
came
out
I,
think,
was
around
how
we
Define
the
rag
status.
I
think
is
quite
important
and
also
weightings
on
scores.
So
the
actual
process
for
this
there's
some
questions
that
have
gone
away
mentioned
the
glossary
as
well,
and
also
recommendations
go
to
update
on
the
workforce
report,
particularly
around
sickness
to
the
HR
committee.
I.
Think
God.
E
E
Thank
you,
okay.
So
the
next
one
is
we
go
on
to
talk
about
is
the
performance
panel
and
whether
we
need
to
reconvene
the
performance
panels
is
kind
of
open
to
discussion.
Previous
members,
I
was
on
this
Andrea
on
the
cancer
Durant
and
cancer
contexture.
D
D
What
then
comes
about
discretion
committee
is
a
very
high
level
summary,
and
so
obviously
you
need
to
consider
whether,
as
a
committee,
you
want
to
be
able
to
get
into
the
detail
of
the
indicators
or
not
otherwise,
effectively
we're
duplicating
the
conversation
so
I
think
what
you
need
to
consider
is
whether
you're
content
that
you
get
a
feedback
from
you
know
a
separate,
a
partially
subpanel,
if
you
like
of
this
committee
or
whether,
actually
you
would
rather
have
it
come
here,
so
you
can
have
the
full
debate
yourselves.
E
I'll
just
like
to
give
a
bit
of
feedback
so
actually
I'm,
also,
obviously
being
on
the
performance
panel.
One
of
the
reasons
I
wanted.
E
It
is
because
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
have
come
out
tonight,
similar
questions
I've
had
which
is
around
how
we
set
the
kpis
and
how
that's
all
worked
through
now,
having
had
a
chat
with
Sue
previously,
and
she
might
like
to
give
a
little
explanation
of
how
kpis
are
set,
because
I
think
that
would
be
really
useful
for
everybody
and
I
believe
this
is
fed
down
through
the
plan
and
obviously
operation
and
what
can
be
measured
because
I
think
that
will
give
a
better
indicator
as
to
whether
or
not
the
performance
panel
actually
holds
any
any
value
or
whether
it's
actually
in
how
we
set
things
and
how
the
plans
work
through,
which
I
personally
feel
from
what
I've
learned
in
the
last
couple
of
months.
D
You
therefore
want
to
have
a
look
at
the
the
so
the
process
is
that,
if
you
look
at
when
a
council
plan
is
set,
the
priorities
under
the
council
planner
identified
the
activities
that
are
going
to
achieve
those
sort
of
the
activities
and
actions
that
will
achieve
those
council
plan
priorities
are
identified
and
then
the
indicators
that
measure
those
actions
are
identified
and
therefore
they're
all
part
and
parcel
effectively.
D
The
same
decision
process
cabinet
will
obviously
recommend
the
council
plan
to
council
for
approval,
but
they
also,
as
the
executive,
have
the
role
and
responsibility
for
the
effectively
the
ongoing
daily
delivery
of
services.
So
they
set
the
kpis
and
what
really
happens?
Kpis
is
set
in
February
at
cabinet
and
the
council
plan,
or
any
changes
to
the
council
plan
are
approved
alongside
the
budget
setting
process
in
at
February
Council.
D
Because
of
the
change
in
the
council
plan,
obviously,
throughout
scrutiny
last
year
there
was
a
significant
amount
of
debates
in
terms
of
what
those
kpis
should
look
like.
So
in
the
first
instance,
offices
will
go
away
and
come
back
with
in
terms
of
well.
This
is
the
actual
data
we
can
get
hold
of.
This
is
what
we
can
actually
physically
measure.
Here's
our
suggestions
in
terms
of
how
we
might
be
able
to
identify
and
measure
those
indicators,
and
sometimes
they
are.
D
They
are
accumulation
of
service
indicators
that
sit
in
the
individual
service
plans
for
each
service.
That
is
then
discussed
initially,
that
with
cabinet
who
then
may
have
some
other
further
thoughts
in
terms
of
what
other
indicators
they
might
want
to
put
in
or
tweaks
to
those
indicators.
And
again
we
go
through
that
process
of
explaining
how
the
indicator
is
calculated.
What
is
trying
to
measure
and
effectively
sense?
Checking
that
then
goes
to
scrutiny
and
scrutiny
are
invited
to
comment
and
make
any
suggested
changes
additions.
Tweaks,
you
know
formatting
issues.
D
Those
comments
are
collated
and,
as
some
of
you
will
probably
recall,
we
went
back
to
perhaps
was
it
three
times.
I
can't
remember,
I
think
it
was
three
twice
and
then
with
the
final
ones.
So
it
went
to
council
Council
weren't
happy
with
it
came
back
through
scrutiny,
so
there
is
an
opportunity
just
just
because
you
kind
of
make
a
recommendation.
D
The
normal
process
would
be
for
the
the
leader
to
go
through
those
lists
of
recommendations
with
their
cabinet
and
decide
which
ones
they
can
and
can't
Implement,
and
some
of
that
will
be
fed
by
out
by
offices
in
terms
of
we
physically
have
no
way
of
capturing
that
or
yes
we
can
do
that
or
actually
we
need
to
make
these
changes
that
gets
fed
back
and
I
think
the
right
process,
for
that
is
for
it
to
be
fed
back
to
scrutiny
before
it
goes
for
formal
approval,
whereas
I
think
the
timelines
last
year
didn't
work
that
well
and
so
it
went
to
scrutiny
then
went
to
council
and
that's
recently
they
went
back
to
council.
D
So
actually,
we
would
expect
there
to
be
feedback
at
the
next
scrutiny
session.
In
terms
of
this
is
the
thoughts
around
it
and
that's
an
iterative
process
until
the
point
that
the
actual
indicators
get
approved
and
ultimately
it's
your
recommendation,
but
it's
ultimately
up
to
the
cabinet
to
agree
what
those
indicators
are,
so
that
you
know
whether
it's
here
or
whether
it's
that
performance
panel
at
every
session.
D
D
That's
then,
for
you
to
have
that
debate
and
feed
that
back
to
Cabinet
as
recommendations
from
scrutiny
and
then
obviously,
what
you
would
do
is
is
welcome
comments
back
from
cabinet
via
the
leader
in
terms
of
how
that
might
be
taken
forward
and
whether
there
is
a
compromised
position
on
where
they're
actually
yep.
That's
fine.
D
So
23
24,
so
the
current
Financial
years
indicators
were
approved
by
cabinet
in
February
just
gone,
so
they
are
the
indicators
for
the
current
year.
That's
what
you
will
see
come
to
scrutiny
panel
in
terms
of
sorry
excretion
committee
or
performance
panel,
let's
mix
that
one
off
a
little
bit
and
and
that's
the
ones
that
you
will
be
invited
to
you
know
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
performance,
but
also
if
there
are
things
that
you
think.
D
Actually
that
might
make
more
sense
to
us
or
actually
the
indicator's
fine,
but
we
want
some
more
narrative
or
that
makes
absolutely
no
sense
whatsoever.
Can
we
have
this
that
will
be,
then
you
know
whether
it
is
committee
or
on
the
next
panel,
but
there
it's
not
it's
not
just
a
one-off
chance.
It's
a
you
know
until
the
actual
indicators
are
approved
or
put
to
cabinet
for
approval,
there
is
an
opportunity
to
have
an
ongoing
discussion.
D
C
Yeah
I've
got
a
question
for
you
chair.
Did
you
see
value
in
your
position
on
performance
panel
last
year.
E
I
personally
found
that
sitting
on
the
performance
panel
meant
because
the
kpis
were
all
quite
set
and
already
in
place
that
there
didn't
seem
to
me
to
be
an
awful
lot
extra
that
came
out
of
it
that
wasn't
already
addressed
in
scrutiny
in
that
larger
forum.
So,
personally,
as
it
stood,
it
wasn't
quite
what
I
was
hoping
for.
I
was
hoping
for
to
get
underneath.
The
kpis
I
now
understands
a
lot
more
about
how
it's
all
set,
which
has
changed
my
perspective.
K
But
I
didn't,
but
just
just
out
of
that,
giving
in
mind
that
we've
got
24
25
to
come.
If
it
was
the
community
decision
to
have
a
performance
paddle,
then
that
would
obviously
give
us
something
to
work
with.
In
that
context,
so
I'm
open
to
what
you
feel
would
be
appropriate
in
the
kpis
going
forward.
E
So
a
question
for
Sue,
so
if
we're
having
the
performance
panel,
the
terms
of
reference
was
set
very
much
about
reviewing.
What
currently
is
from
what
I'm
hearing
from
Council
Harvey
is
the
potential
to
be
looking
at
that
as
a
more
of
a
forward
approach
to
be
more
focused
on
working
through
on
setting
kpis?
Is
that
what
you
were
implying.
K
K
The
point
is
we
have
to
set
them
as
the
executive,
because
it's
our
responsibility
to
do
so
and
then
obviously
it's
the
responsibility
of
officers
to
advise
us
I'm
saying
in
terms
of
your
process,
it's
up
to
you
to
do
so
to
decide
how
you
choose,
then
to
do
with
Sue
exactly
set
out
I'm,
not
disagreeing
with
Sue
in
any
way.
But
you
have
two
choices:
don't
you
bring
it
here
or
you
put
it
into
a
performance
panel
to
do
a
deep
dive.
N
I
think
if
we
had
it
here,
the
only
thing
I
would
say
we
need
time
to
actually
look
at
I.
Think
sometimes
we
overload
I
was
chasing
blindly.
We
can
overload
the
Committees
and
when
you've
got
these
things
and
I
think
one
of
the
problems
was
that
we
were
discussing
the
kpis
and,
to
be
perfectly
honest,
it
was
going
around
in
circles.
N
N
C
D
So
what
would
happen
is
the
chair
of
performance
panel
has
say
who
really
needs
to
be
a
member
of
the
scrutiny
committee
following
performance
panel
at
the
next
scrutiny
meeting
will
come
back
and
feedback
on
the
discussions
that
were
had
at
performance
panel
and
the
recommendations
from
the
performance
panel
to
scrutiny
committee
to
consider,
and
then
you,
as
scrutiny
committee,
would
decide
on
whether
you
wanted
to
make
a
recommendation
from
scrutiny.
Committee
to
cabinet.
C
It's
not
really
a
question
more,
my
my
musings,
because
I
would
certainly
look
to
analyze
any
of
these
kpis
anyways
I
think
everybody
in
this
room
has
has
done
in
their
own
way
and
I
appreciate.
We
had
a
committee
but
I'm
also
personally
reluctant
to
to
make
a
decision
when
and
as
effective
a
chair
as
you've
been
going
to.
Let
us
then,
when
councilor
Miller
isn't
here
to
cheer
that
I
don't
know
councilor
Jones!
N
Because
it's
how
the
committee
runs,
it's
not,
we
won't
get
in
the
results
we
wanted,
and
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
we
went
for
the
paneling
a
lot
in
the
first
place,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
interest
in
it.
We
were
talking
round
the
table
and
what
we
actually
said
at
the
time.
If
we
go
for
a
panel
when
it
comes
back,
we're
not
going
to
break
it
all
down
and
go
through
it
again.
N
That
is
one
of
the
problems
we
will
come
across
if
we're
not
careful,
because
if
we're
going
to
do
that,
we
might
as
well
not
have
a
panel.
If
you
understand
why
and
like
us
all
counts
as
we
like
to
stick
our
nose
in
maybe
not
the
right
time,
but
you
know
think:
oh,
my
god
I've
just
seen
that
and
they've
already
discussed
that
at
the
panel.
Now,
if
there's
interest
in
on
the
committee,
we
should
be
looking
out
as
a
committee.
N
D
At
two
points
really
I
think
there
is
space
within
there
is
capacity
within
the
work
program.
If
you
want
to
discuss
it
here,
there's
different
ways
of
looking
at
it.
You
could,
as
a
committee,
have
the
session
whether
that's
a
briefing
session
outside
a
committee
or
as
part
of
committee
in
terms
of
these
are
the
indicators.
Here's
how
they're
set
here's.
What
they're
trying
to
measure
have
a
have
a
discussion
as
committee
and
then
actually
just
allow
the
performance
panel
to
say
that
forward
or
you
could
have
all
the
discussions
here.
D
The
other
point
that
I
would
make
is.
Whilst
there
are
five
panel
members,
we
did
not
have
a
panel
with
five
panel
members,
so
it's
it's
not
particularly
well
attended
if
I'm
honest
or
it
wasn't
last
year,
and
that
might
just
bend
down
to
timing
of
meetings
Etc.
D
So
again
you
you
are
very
reliant
on
five
members
who
don't
necessarily
always
have
the
capacity
to
actually
attend.
So
if
you
do
go
for
a
performance
panel,
I
would
strongly
recommend
that
you
do
look
at
trying
to
nominate
people
that
that
can
actually
attend
and
be
fully
participant
in
the
actual
discussions.
I
I
was
just
going
to
add
that
my
perspective
as
a
new
member
of
the
committee
is
that
I
don't
know
how
involved
the
discussions
were
last
year
compared
to
what
they've
been
this
evening.
I,
don't
know
how
busy
the
workload
of
scrutiny
generally
is
or
how
unpredictable
it
is.
I
wouldn't
want
to
put
something
on
our
agenda.
That
then
means
that
we
haven't
got
the
space
to
scrutinize
other
things
we
might
want
to
screw
tonight.
I
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
part
of
the
suggestion
was
that
we
defer
this
until
councilor
Miller
can
decide
I
think
that
has
the
same
effect
of
allowing
us
to
decide
next
time,
but
it
also
means
that
we're
not
going
to
convene
a
performance
panel,
which
I
think
sounds
to
me
like
it
might
be
the
right
answer
anyway.
G
M
E
E
Obviously
that's
down
to
individuals
personally
with
a
smaller
group
of
people
that
possibly
aren't
and
so
involved
on
the
scrutiny
side,
because
they
can
come
from
different
committees
as
well.
It
did
feel
that
the
conversation
wasn't
anywhere
near
as
actually
I
felt
in
scrutiny.
We
yet
did
more
in-depth
questioning
of
it.
The
question
I
think
is
I
think
as
cancer
Jones
was
saying
it's
about
the
load
on
the
scrutiny
committee
itself,
but
personally
I
felt
the
discussion
was
more
were
stronger
during
scrutiny.
E
Meetings
from
my
personal
opinion,
we
only
had
I,
think
three
meetings
didn't
we
and
to
say
so.
That's
and
there
had
been
a
performance
panel
that
used
to
be
years
ago
before
my
time,
but
it
certainly
didn't
quite
work
as
strongly
as
I'd
hoped
in
that
time.
C
Because
I
am
a
data,
man
and
I
would
put
myself
forward
for
a
performance
panel.
So
in
all
honesty,
whether
or
not
it's
there
or
here
I
will
dig
into
the
numbers
and
what
I
wouldn't
want
to
do
is
increase
the
workload
on
yourselves
and
be
necessarily
over
for
Nikki,
but
I'm
not
going
to
make
any
apologies
when
I
do
break
it
down
and
ask
for
the
data.
So
it's
it's
whether
or
not
that
there
were.
D
I,
actually
is
the
item.
That's
coming
to
scrutiny
is
the
performance
indicators
and
the
performance
against
those
indicators.
That's
the
main
item.
That's
coming
to
scrutiny.
If
there
is
a
process
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
scrutiny
members
are
keyed
into
which
is
then
actually
are
they
the
right
indicators
going
forward?
We
maybe
have
to
separate
out
those
two
particular
activities
and
that
we
just
perhaps
need
to
go
away
and
think
about
how
we
might
be
able
to
do
that.
D
So,
as
you
say,
it
doesn't
take
up
an
extraordinary
amount
of
time
within
the
normal
committee
agenda,
because,
actually,
probably
you
need
a
sort
of
a
one-off
piece
of
work,
which
is
the
scrutiny
of
what
are
the
indicators?
D
Are
they
the
right
indicators
and
then
you're,
looking
at
the
performance
against
the
indicators
as
they're
already
set
during
the
year,
and
there
may
be
other
things
that
come
to
mind
that
say
actually
do
you
know
what
we
perhaps
we
should
tweak
that
one,
perhaps
just
tweet
about
them,
but
you've
already
had
the
kind
of
background
data
in
terms
of
how
is
it
calculated?
Where
are
we
getting
our
data
from?
D
You
will
need
to
ratify
it
here
at
scrutiny
in
terms
of
making
those
recommendations
to
Cabinet,
but
we
can
give
that
some
thought
if
that's
okay
with
with
members,
but
that
might
be
a
way
in
which
is
what
you
don't
want
to
do,
is
every
single
quarter.
When
this
paper
comes
is
have
the
same
conversation.
You
want
to
move
the
conversation
forward
as
you
go
throughout
the
year.
C
It
might
surprise
you
that
I
would
also
have
wanted
to
nominate
councilor
passion,
the
internet,
because
he
really
is
a
numbers.
Man
so
again,
I'm
happy
to
sit
back
and
understand
and
understand
what
his
opinion
would
be
as
well
and
whether
or
not
if
he
was
going
to
go
into
that
or
just
happy
to
sit
and
scrutinize.
As
you
said,
but
I.
L
C
Personally
think,
the
the
task
and
the
role
that
we're
talking
about
is
important,
not
necessarily
the
construct
of
of
whatever
it
is
that
we
do
and
I'm
happy
to
go
with
the
committee.
For
that
understanding
that
we
are
going
to
do
that
not
screwed
any
of
the
numbers
in
the
task.
M
L
I
Wasn't
clear
last
time,
I
really
wasn't
wanting
to
sign
up
for
another
another
panel
and
or
committee,
however,
I'd
say
councilor,
McIntyre's
point
and
I'm
sure
it
would
be.
It
would
be
a
good
exercise
and
interesting
to
actually
try
and
work
out
how
the
future
kpi
is
mapped
to
the
council
plan.
I
think
it,
you
know,
be
useful
exercise
and
if
people
wanted
to
hear
what
we
had
to
say
and
someone
else
wanted
to
come
along
and
so
be
it.
F
Yeah
I'm
going
to
go
along
with
the
the
other
two
speakers
that
I'm
I'm
in
favor
of
a
performance
panel,
definitely
where
I
can
perform
as
good
as
the
councilor,
McIntyre
and
Council
basham's.
Another
thing
but
I'm
happy
to
join.
B
Could
I
also
propose
councilor
Miller.
G
E
So
it
sounds
like
we
have
several
members
that
would
like
to
be
on
a
performance
panel,
so
it
sounds
like
we
do.
We
need
to
put
a
vote
to
see
if
we
are
going
to
have
a
performance
panel.
First
I
suppose
that's
the
best
thing.
Obviously,
if
we've
got
willing
willing
volunteers,
it
seems
a
bit
childish
not
to,
but
we
better
do
the
official
vote.
So
is
there
anybody
opposed
to
a
performance
panel.
N
E
Okay,
so,
based
on
that,
we
now
have
so
nominations.
We
have
two
councils
that
have
three
sorry
Council,
Phillip,
Moore,
councilor,
Basham,
councilor
McIntyre
is.
M
E
Anybody
else
councilor
Miller,
apologies,
anybody
else
from
here,
or
that
is.
M
M
F
I
mean
if
we
aren't
we
allowed
to
recruit
from
outside
the
scrutiny
committee,
because
we've
only
got
four
at
the
moment.
We
might
find
that
there's
another
cancer
outside
of
the
security
committee
that
might
want
to
join.
E
E
D
And
so
in
terms
of
the
work
program,
that's
before
you,
we
held
a
a
meeting
with
the
chair
of
the
scrutiny
committee,
excluding
overview
committees,
a
number
of
items
were
identified
and
it
was
agreed
amongst
the
chairs,
where
each
of
those
items
would
go.
D
So
obviously
there
are
other
work
items
that
potentially
going
to
come
to
scrutiny,
which
will
actually
be
on
cep
or
eph,
because
it's
important
that
it
goes
to
the
right
committee
rather
than
pitching
up
at
one
or
two
committees
and
having
an
overlap.
So
this
was
based
on
the
items
that
are
either
something
that
we've
previously
had
or
interest
that
was
shown
and
as
appropriate
to
come
to
this
scrutiny
committee
as
opposed
to
one
of
the
other
committees.
D
But
obviously
this
is
a
starter
for
ten,
even
though
you
may
approve
this
work
program.
So
it
doesn't
stop
you
adding
items
as
we
go
through
the
year
and
as
already
indicated,
if
there
is
a
call
in
for
any
reason,
there
would
be
an
additional
call-in
meeting
anyway,
which
would
separately
look
at
the
call-in
item.
Unless
we
just
happen
to
have
a
scrutiny
mating
within
five
days.
E
G
Chair
are
you
looking
at
the
task
and
finish
group
within
that
or
just
the
work
program
at
the
moment.
I
Have
a
question
about
the
March
Actually
March
24
meeting
with
regards
to
the
review
discussions
with
housing
associations?
C
I
E
If
you
want
to
raise
a
word
program,
item
I,
believe
we
go
through
Democratic
services
and
you'll
get
forwarded
a
form
now
that
topic,
that's
actually
something
that
I
raised
and
I
have
actually
submitted
a
form
to
Ellie
for
a
review,
so
that
will
hopefully
will
be
coming
and
be
circulated
around
it's
around
service
and
service
levels
and
issues
and
Communications
Etc
that
we
have
with
housing
associations
is.
D
At
so
they're
not
set
in
stone
and
we
can
review
the
work
program
and
you
can
review
the
activity,
obviously
clearly
from
an
officer's
point
of
view.
We'd
appreciate,
there's
some
clarity
around
it
before
we
actually
start
preparing
for
the
item,
but
there's
absolutely
no
reason
why
you
can't
update
and
add
things.
I
I
I,
just
we
should
catch
up
afterwards,
then,
because
I
think
there's
that
certainly
my
casework
experience
is
that
there's
a
lot
to
talk
to
our
housing
associations
about-
and
this
is
hopefully
the
right
committee
for
that.
D
So
I
think
what
would
be
useful
is
for
you
to
kind
of
articulate
the
variety
of
things
that
you
might
wish
to
discuss
and
then
agree
for
this
particular
session.
What
it
is
that
you
want
to
focus
on
so
that
you
can
have
a
proper
conversation
about
some
key
items
rather
than
trying
to
have
a
conversation
about
a
number
of
items
and
not
really
get
into
the
the
detail.
E
Just
start
I'll
ask
I,
think
probably
Jack
might
be
the
person
to
answer
the
work
program
forms
get
circulated,
don't
they
and
then
we
bring
them
here
and
look
at
them
and
then
we
would
decide
and
agree
on
them
and
obviously
amendments
could
be
made
to
them
to.
M
E
Right,
okay,
we
move
on
to
oh
I,
see
currents
and
planned
review
groups
and
if
I
can
see
the
word
task
and
finish
there
yeah.
So
yes,
if
you
want
to
have
a
look
at
that-
and
anybody
got
any
comments
or
questions
on
this.
G
Hawks,
thank
you.
Just
the
group
that
is
there,
cancer
Frost
is
no
longer
with
us.
I
just
wondered
whether
the
committee
was
happy
for
it
to
continue
with
that
adjusted
group
or
whether
they
wish
to
review
the
group.
D
So
the
committee
isn't
necessarily
agreeing
the
members
that
are
on
the
task
and
finish
group
they're,
agreeing
the
the
item
for
a
task
and
finish.
Invitations
were
then
sent
out
in
terms
of
anyone
that
wish
to
nominate
themselves
to
be
part
of
the
task
and
finish
group.
So
are
there
other
people
that
wish
to
put
themselves
forward?
Obviously
that
can
be
added
and
accepted
by
the
committee.
D
So
yes,
so
Council
Frost
can
come
off
and
if
anybody,
either
within
the
panel
or
outside
of
the
sorry
outside
the
committee
wishes
to
be
involved
in
it,
they
can
be.
But
these
were
the
the
particular
what
I
think
we
asked
was
for
group
leaders
to
put
some
nominations
forward
and
I
think
this
is
what
came
back
to
yourself
was
Nepal
in
terms
of
these
are
the
people
that
came
forward.
K
Two
things
to
note:
firstly,
I
think
you're
right,
obviously,
counselor
Frost
is
no
longer
a
counselor
in
that
sense,
but
also
myself,
counselor,
Cuban
and
councilor.
James
are
all
on
Executive.
Now
and
in
terms
of
that,
there
is
a
discussion
to
be
had
about
whether
or
not
a
scrutiny,
task
and
finish
panel
should
include
us
I,
don't
believe
it
should.
So
that's
my
first
point
in
terms
of
the
task
and
finish
panel.
It
was
set
up
prior
obviously
to
the
elections.
K
The
first
meeting
was
held
in
January
and
then
scrutiny
approved
the
the
actual
shape
and
form
of
the
terms
of
reference
at
the
final
meeting
of
the
year
before
it
went
into
Perth.
So
question
really
is:
is
there
a
purpose
to
the
task
and
finish
panel
in
the
first
place,
given
the
fact
where
it
sits?
K
If
that's
a
decision
you
come
to,
then
you
would
need
to
find
I
think
members
to
supplement
potentially
the
four
remaining
members
that
sit
on
that
that
are
not
members
of
the
executive
and
again,
if
that's
a
balanced
ad
with
the
members
of
other
groups,
because
I'm
not
in
councilor
content
and
councilor
McIntyre
are
on
that.
Your
self-counsel
to
sustainable
accounts
are
slimming.
So
logically,
if
the
independent
group
nominates
a
member
to
join
that,
you
then
have
a
balanced
panel
to
continue
to
consider
the
terms
of
reference
that
were
previously
set.
I
I
would
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
cabinet
members
I'm
I'm
concerned
that
we
keep
some
continuity
on
there,
though,
but
I
don't
know
how
I
don't
know
how?
How
close
to
the
finish
of
the
task
and
finish
group
you
are
I
guess
is
the
key
question,
or
is
it
still
quite
early.
K
K
Of
course,
we'll
be
set
this
up
and
with
the
intention
of
course,
we
were
not
cabinet
members
at
that
time
and
we
were
seeking
to
do
a
piece
of
work
working
with
the
then
Cabinet
member
of
Housing
and
homes
and
regeneration,
so
I
think
you
need
to
decide
as
a
new
Committee
in
a
new
environment
in
a
new
position.
Do
you
want
this?
If
you
want
this,
you've
agreed
it
in
March
anyway,
so
you've
already
got
the
terms
of
references,
the
membership
of
it,
perhaps
that
you're
discussing,
but
that
that's
for
you
to
decide.
C
Yes,
thanks
Jeff,
so
I
was
a
nominated
counselor
for
it.
Unfortunately,
I
was
skiing
and
it
was
a
pre-ordained
date
when
councilor
Harvey
stood
up.
The
the
first
group
I
I
personally
would
be
happy
to
continue
on
this.
C
C
However,
I
do
appreciate
some
new
Administration
and
they
need
to
be
given
the
time
to
find
a
fate
and
work
through
their
policies,
but
I
certainly
think
there's
there's
nothing
there.
That's
necessarily
in
negative
effort
in
working
with
the
new
portfolio
holder,
for
that,
so
I
would
be
happy
to
to
continue
with
it
and
happy
to
accept
councilor
Harvey's
recommendation
that
a
member
of
independent
group
joined
if
everybody
else
is
still
happy
to
sit
in
this
group.
D
So,
in
terms
of
items
come
up
at
scrutiny
where
members
feel
that
they
would
like
further
information.
The
idea
is,
is
that
you,
you
set
a
definitive
task
if
you
like,
in
terms
of
we'd,
like
to
find
out
some
more
information
about
this,
and
this
is
the
outcomes
that
we
would
like
to
achieve
from
that
task
and
finish
group,
and
there
is
a
definitive
date
by
which
that
activity
is
finished.
Otherwise,
it
just
goes
on
it.
M
D
D
That
then
actually
bring
back
some
recommendations
to
the
scrutiny
committee
and
it
just
to
be
really
clear:
it's
it's
members
and
they
can
call
in
officers
to
help
in
terms
of
giving
key
information
Etc
in
terms
of
doing
this,
but,
generally
speaking,
this
is
a
member-led
group
in
terms
of
wanting
to
do
a
piece
of
work
to
specifically
look
at
and
perhaps
work
with,
Partners
In
terms,
they're
wanting
to
improve
a
specific
element
of
service
within
the
organization.
E
I
can
give
a
little
bit
of
background
on
this
one.
This
is
obviously
the
housing
allocation
is
how
we
work.
Registered
providers
actually
refers
to
mainly
housing
associations.
That's
what
that
means,
and
this
is
all
about
how
we
managed
to
get
people
into
properties.
E
Is
the
housing
allocation
working
properly
if
we
got
the
policy
right,
so
it
was
all
about
having
a
good
examination
of
that
to
make
sure
that
that's
very
specific
part
of
how
basing
folk
Council
works
with
the
housing
associations
to
maximize
the
best
benefit,
also
with
the
sort
of
the
overriding
perspective
on
how
this
then
fits
with
planning
for
the
future,
so
that
was
kind
of
like
the
underlying
rationale
behind
this.
If
that
helps
Council.
M
E
Is
there
anybody
else
that
would
that's
would
like
to
go
on
because
at
the
moment
we'd
have
Council
filling
more?
E
C
So
I'd
be
quite
happy
to
nominate
you
as
the
chair,
if
you're
interested
in
taking
the
chair
of
this
task,
and
this
isn't
it
this
isn't.
This
isn't
me
increasing
your
workload
because
obviously
I'd
appreciate
it
as
an
increase
in
your
workload.
This
is
more
respect
to
your
position
than
your
experience
as
a
counselor
and
I
think
this
is
an
important
topic
and
it
doesn't
need
political
games.
Thank.
E
So
looking
at
the
list,
let's
just
make
sure
who
we've
got
on
here,
so
we
would
have
councilor
Jones
councilor
Philly
Moore
myself,
councilor.
E
You
were:
was
there
anybody
else?
I've
ever
got
cancer
Slim.
G
E
E
As
well,
which
is
not
a
Cabinet
member,
that's
right,
okay,
I
think
was
there
anybody
else
that
wanted
to
be
on
that
councilor
Harvey
can.
K
I
just
say:
Obviously
in
terms
of
councilor
McIntyre's
comment
about
priorities
and
direction
of
travel
and
such
obviously
it's
a
priority
for
us.
So
in
that
sense,
having
a
discussion
with
you
is
relevant
and
you
may
well
find
that
a
number
of
these
things
are
coming
through
anyway,
but
the
context
is
having
a
conversation
with
you
and
working
with
you
on
that.
So
that's
for
our
perspective
important.
So
thank
you.
E
Okay,
everybody
I
think
so.
There's
the
last
item-
exclusion
of
the
press
in
public.
So
there
is
nothing
I
believe
on
the
agenda
that
we
need
to
have
excluded
and
then
item
template
there
isn't
anything
on
this,
so
I
think
that
means
the
meeting
is
closed.
Thank
you
everybody,
but
thank
you
for
bearing
with
me
as
I
stumbled
through
that.