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From YouTube: Beacon Planning Board 2-8-22
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The City of Beacon Planning Board Meeting from Tuesday, February 8, 2022
B
B
So
back
in
2019
there
was
a
a
study
done
a
two-day
session
sponsored
by
the
federal
highway
administration
on
pedestrian
safety
and
they
brought
in
a
team
of
consultants
to
go
up
and
down
main
street
and
make
sort
of
interim
recommendations,
and
this
is
their
report-
the
cover
you
can
see
no
crosswalks
at
the
intersection.
This
is
a
walnut
at
that
time.
B
Around
willow
and
cedar
and
walnut,
and
especially
teller,
I
think,
what's
most
surprising
about
this-
was
most
surprising
to
me.
Is
I
always
thought
that
this
area
around
churchill
street
was
probably
the
most
dangerous
part
of
of
main
street.
Everybody
always
thinks
that,
because
it's
on
a
curve-
and
it's
got
this
weird
angled
intersection-
no
accidents-
there
reported
out
of
those
accidents-
73
percent
were
at
intersections.
B
B
So
you
can
see
the
traffic
volumes
on
main
street
are
relatively
low.
People
always
complain
about
parking
and
traffic
congestion
and
those
are
the
complaints.
The
main
street
access
committee
tends
to
hear
speeding,
but
if
you
look
at
the
numbers,
the
numbers
are
relatively
low
for
main
street.
In
fact
it's
too
low
for
sort
of
a
business
district.
Generally
speaking,
you
want
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
traffic
and
help
slow
cars
number
one,
and
you
want
a
lot
of
passers-by
looking
at
your
storefronts
if
you're
in
business.
C
D
C
A
guy
roll
down
his
window
and
tell
me
I
was
on
a
thoroughfare
and
I
needed
to
keep
moving,
couldn't
pull
into
a
space.
You
know
the
I
see
people,
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
I
see
on
main
street
that
scares
me
is:
is
people
getting
frantic
to
get
to
a
space?
They
see
a
space
they're
racing
towards
it
or
they're
doing
a
u-turn
to
get
to
it
either
on
tyrande
or
main
street?
B
B
Actually
across
the
board
was
the
level
of
service
on
main
street
was
a
and
b
almost
nothing
in
terms
of
delay,
and,
generally
speaking,
you
don't
want
to
see
it's
not
recommended
to
have
a
and
b
level
of
service
on
main
street,
because
that
just
means
people
are
cruising
on
through
rather
than
being
held
up
and
saying.
Oh,
that's
a
new
store,
maybe
I'll
go
to
that
restaurant
tonight
or
whatever.
B
B
B
B
C
Other
the
other
issue,
I've
noticed
is
that
on
the
weekends,
because,
what's
main
street
speed
limit,
is
it
30
it's
30
miles
per
hour?
So
when
you're
on
a
bicycle,
you
you
know,
there's
not
enough
room
in
the
lane,
for
you
and
cars
want
to
speed
around
you
because
sure
you
know
you
could
almost
keep
up
you.
C
Could
you
could
almost
keep
up
with
the
speed
of
traffic
if,
if
the
speed
limit
would
slow
down
a
little
bit-
and
it
wouldn't
be
such
an
issue
where
people
would
be
trying
to
pass
you
all
the
time,
there's
not
enough
really
room
between
parked
cars
and
the
traffic
lanes
for
bicyclists
to
you
know
to
be
being
passed
constantly
by
cars,
and
so,
as
a
result,
I
I
do
not.
I
try
not
to
bike
on
main
street
on
the
weekends
after
10
or
11
a.m.
It's
a
it's.
B
B
And
deaths
so,
if
you're
hit
by
a
car
at
20
miles
an
hour,
a
typical
car
higher
if
it's
a
suv
than
if
it's
a
sedan,
but
on
average
10
of
people
die
in
in
20
mile
an
hour
crashes,
and
it
goes
up
to
40
at
30
miles
an
hour
and
80
percent
at
40
miles
an
hour.
So
there's
a
real
incentive
to
keep
people
driving
slowly.
I
just
went
from
bank
square
to
fountain
square
and
it
takes
less
than
four
minutes
to
go
the
whole
length
of
main
street,
and
yet
people
have
to
speed.
B
I
don't
know
why
they're
not
gaining
any
significant
amount.
That's
going
at
20
miles
an
hour
four
minutes,
so
it's
not
like
you're
gaining
10
minutes
by
going
faster
right,
it's
impossible.
So
around
the
country.
Many
cities
are
looking
at
a
20
mile.
An
hour.
Speed
limit
under
the
banner
20
is
plenty
and
portland
oregon
norfolk,
virginia
denver.
B
B
B
B
That's
a
great
calming
influence
there
could
be,
except
that
that
intersection
is
extraordinarily
wide,
and
so
you
know
it's
46
feet
from
across
where
that
crosswalk
should
be.
There's
no
crosswalk
there,
but
it's
46
feet
across
an
extra
10
or
15
feet
over
what
you
really
want.
So
one
of
the
recommendations
is
to
redesign
east
main
street
intersection
completely
and
put
in
big
curb
extensions
and
a
crosswalk
across
there
and
to
make
this
a
three-way
stoplight.
B
G
B
Another
way
is
curb
extensions.
Now
the
city
is
in
the
process
of
finishing
up
that
project
and
hopefully,
when
it's
paved
it'll
look
a
lot
better
than
the
way
it
is,
but
you
can
see
on
the
top.
That's
a
favorite
place
for
trucks
to
park
during
delivery
is
in
the
no
parking
zones
at
the
intersections
where
the
stripes
are,
and
so
the
curve
extensions
eliminate
that
that
real
blockage
of
visibility
of
pedestrians
and
cars
coming
out
from
side
streets,
the
curb.
B
Will
prevent
that
from
happening?
It'll
shorten
up
the
crosswalks
it'll
reduce
speeds,
anything
that
creates
a
sense
of
side.
Friction!
That's!
What
traffic
traffic
calming
is
really
about.
It's
about
unconsciously,
slowing
people
down,
because
there's
enough
feeling
of
tightness
and
and
threat
that
they
naturally
slow
down.
B
B
D
E
Which-
and
it's
like
right
in
the
path
of
pedestrians,
if
they're
going
straight
and
not
not
taking
that
angled
crosswalk
and
there
are
several
there-
there
see
it
seems
like
an
unnecessary
obstacle.
Plus
the
sign
is
low,
so
somebody
could
just
walk
right
into
it
and
I'm
wondering
why
that
why
it
was
designed
that
way.
E
B
So
I
didn't
have
any
signs
of
what
this
will
look
like
once
they
put
in,
but
I
picked
up
a
a
slide
from
great
barrington
massachusetts.
So
you
can
see
how
curb
extensions,
shorten
the
crosswalks
and
create
a
sort
of
real
high
visibility
for
pedestrians
at
corners
and
the
bold,
what's
called
continental
crosswalks
sort
of
abbey
road
stripes
provide
the
the
best
way
of
of
marking
crosswalks
that
also
prevent
cars
from
picking
up
the
paint
too
easily
because
they
have
parallel
spaces
for
the
for
the
tires
to
go
street.
B
On-Street
parking
are
also
considered
traffic
calming
anything
that
gives
you
a
sense
of
enclosure,
so
taller
buildings
are
a
traffic
calming
device
if
they're
close
enough
to
the
sidewalks
certainly
treat
the
street
trees
on
street
parking.
Definitely
so
anything
that
gives
that
side
friction
will
help
naturally,
show
people
slow
people
down,
not
everybody,
not
100
percent,
but
the.
D
C
C
B
The
lanes
are
really
wide
or
in
village
of
fishfield.
The
lanes
are
too
wide,
and
so
they
put
those
things
in
the
middle
to
try
to
slow
people
down,
because
they
naturally
want
to
go
fast.
Because
the
lanes
are
wide
in
beacon.
They
can't
there's
no
room
for
those
which
is
a
good
thing.
They
kept,
they
tried
them
and
they
kept
getting
knocked
over.
I
B
You
bring
up
the
intersection
to
the
level
of
the
curb,
so
instead
of
pedestrians
have
to
ramp
down
wheelchair
users
having
to
ramp
down
to
the
street
the
cars
ramp
up
to
the
intersection
and
at
the
corners
you
have
bollards
to
protect
the
corners,
but
it's
a
straight
walk
across
which
gives
everybody
less
trip
hazards
for
pedestrians
and
cars
got
motors.
They
can
get
up
those
ramps
easy
enough,
but
it
does
give
enough
of
a
textural
and
great
change
that
you
feel
it.
B
And
so,
when
you
come
to
that
intersection,
instead
of
having
a
traffic
light
which
encourages
you
to
speed
and
encourages
you
to
look
up
while
you
speed,
rather
than
look
for
pedestrians,
because
you're
looking
at
the
light
to
see
if
it's
going
to
turn
yellow
and
whether
you
have
to
hit
on
your
brakes
so
you're.
Looking
at
the
light,
as
opposed
to
looking
at
the
pedestrian
crosswalk,
the
raised
intersections
the
raised
crosswalks
provide
that
slowdown
without
distracting
people's
attention.
B
There's
a
lot
of
raised
crosswalks
in
the
country,
not
as
many
raised
intersections
because
they're
more
expensive,
but
if
the
city
wanted
to
do
them
now
would
be
the
time
to
do
them
because
they
well.
I
just
stuck
in
all
those
ramps
up
the
curb
extension,
so
they
probably
wouldn't,
but,
for
instance,
at
the
committee
recommended
a
mid-block
crosswalk
at
the
near
the
beacon
theater,
where
that
intersection
is
with
the
parking
lot
on
van
nuydeck,
because
that's
a
long
block
and
people
build
up
speed
there,
because
the
lanes
are
a
little
wider
there.
B
The
committee
recommended
stop
signs
on
all
corners
within
two
blocks
of
main
street
there's
sort
of
a
hit,
and
this
pattern
on
the
side
streets
around
main
street.
So
some
are
two-way.
Some
are
four-way
and
it's
very
confusing
some
blow
people
blow
by
them
and
others
are
expecting
people
to
stop
it's
kind
of
dangerous.
B
So
the
easiest
way
to
deal
with
it
is
make
them
all
stop
signs.
There
were
even
a
bunch
of
several
intersections
where
there
was
no
stop
sign
at
main
street,
which
made
no
sense
so
like
willow,
street
and
skank.
There
were
no
stop
signs,
so
people
be
able
to
sort
of
cruise
right
in
so
we
recommended
stop
signs
at
any
intersection
street
with
main
street
and
then
throwing
out
a
consideration
of
having
a
stop
sign
or
two
along
main
street
in
the
straightaways.
B
So
it's
a
elm
street
or
willow
street
before
people
could
build
up
a
head
of
steam
coming
around
those
corners
and
out
towards
the
light,
put
a
stop
sign
in
an
always
stop
sign,
maybe
at
willow
where
people
have
a
hard
time
coming
out.
It's
a
two-way
street
where
there's
traffic
actually
coming
on
the
main
street
as
opposed
to
going
away
from
it.
You
could
have
a
three-way
stop
there
and
that
would
slow
people
down
and
build
up
that
momentum.
B
G
E
Then
the
final
suggestion
was:
oh
sorry,
could
I
just
make
a
quick
comment
about
stop
signs
at
intersections
a
place
where
I
feel
vulnerable
as
a
pedestrian
is
when
there's
when
the
street
is
going
the
same
direction
on
either
side
of
main
street
and
somebody's
I
have
to
cross.
I
think
it's
like
elm
street.
E
B
Side
traffic
to
come
in
so
people
like
willow
is
is
a
two-way
street.
There
are
very
few
two-way
intersections
with
main
street.
Tiaranda
is
another
one,
so
I
need
to
skank
as
another
one
so
they're
just
throwing
that
out
as
consideration
and
then
finally,
the
the
last
one
is
leading
pedestrian
in
intervals.
B
That's
a
technique
where
you
give
the
pedestrians
a
head
start,
something
like
three
to
four
or
five
six
seconds
before
the
light
turns
green,
so
that
the
pedestrians
have
a
chance
to
get
past
the
first
lane
and
get
out
there
where
people
can
see
them
to
avoid
the
left.
Turners,
that's
recommended
for
teller,
certainly,
and
maybe
for
chestnut
as
well,
where
there
are
traffic
signals.
B
B
Things
on
the
table,
not
a
none
of
this-
has
been
decided.
This
just
sort
of
a
draft
reporting
stage
at
this
point.
All
of
these
have
been
interim
recommendations
to
the
council
and
will
be
incorporated
into
the
summary
report
of
suggestions
and
again
fully
vetted
with
the
public
before
anything's
decided.
I
Just
to
weigh
in
there's
a
good
resource,
the
fhwa,
if
you
just
google
traffic
calming
primer,
there's
a
good
website
that
comes
up.
That
has
multiple
modules,
but
one
that's
very
helpful
is
a
toolbox
that
kind
of
lists
other
traffic
calming
measures
and
gives
you
kind
of
engineering
metrics
for
them,
as
well
as
some
case
studies
and
examples.
E
J
B
L
C
M
M
C
Okay,
great
yeah,
so
the
first
agenda
item
is
to
continue
the
public
hearing
on
applications
for
a
subdivision
lot:
merger
approval
and
site
plan
approval,
three-story,
mixed-use,
residential
commercial
development,
364
main
street
submitted
by
o'donnell,
so
applicant
would
like
to
update
us
on
changes
since
last
month.
Please.
F
F
O
F
F
It
also
discourages
vehicles
from
parking
in
that
specific
entry
to
the
site
off
of
main
street.
It's
also
requested
by
the
board.
We
did
incorporate
the
benches
into
the
lands
to
the
frontage
design
that
we
did
in
corporate
reincorporate
bike
racks
that
had
gotten
lost
in
the
process,
and
we
did
also
add
some
more
design
to
the
landscaped
front
area
of
the
property.
The
landscaping
calculation
was
also
updated.
F
Ra
will
speak
to,
I
guess,
an
error
between
the
the
update
to
the
plan
as
far
as
the
building
the
commercial
square
footage.
So
I
know
that
was
a
clarification
that
needed
to
be
reconciled,
so
ra
will
touch
that
in
just
a
minute,
so
the
actual
square
footage
for
the
commercial
space
is
eight
thousand
eight
hundred.
Ninety
two,
and
not
the
ten
thousand
number
that
was
cited
in
the
the
letter.
It
was
a
hangover
from
the
actual
table
itself
rather
than
the
plans
just
some
other
quick
updates.
F
F
I
know
they'll
be
meeting
again
with
you
on
friday
for
continuing
to
review,
but
there's
been
substantial
changes
to
the
facades,
not
just
on
main
street,
but
as
it's
seen,
you
know
on
the
sides
of
the
building
and
we
did
incorporate
the
removal
of
two
two
storefront
doors
on
main
street
and
and
on
the
side
of
facade.
There
was
some
discussion
about
modifying
those
to
to
be
more
consistent,
so
I
would
just
say
before
I
turn
it
over
to
ra
one
hot
off
the
press.
F
F
We
got
a
an
email
from
lt
sherpa,
one
of
the
co-owners
there
at
the
beacon
natural
market,
indicating
that
prior
communications
from
our
client
sean
o'donnell
were
from
his
wife,
don
o'donnell.
It
wasn't,
they
weren't
sure
of
the
I
guess
of
the
of
the
name
difference
and
it
didn't
hadn't
responded.
So
in
any
event,
their
email
noted
that
they
are
amenable
to
this
agreement,
meaning
a
lease
easement
agreement
to
access
the
rear
of
their
building.
F
So
we've
asked
for
them
to
have
a
meeting
with
us
next
week
to
go
through
any
details
associated
with
that.
As
you
know,
the
applicant
is
already
committed
to
putting
a
note
on
the
plan,
regardless
of
if
we
heard
back
from
from
the
owners
of
beacon
natural
market,
but
we
now
have
officially-
and
we
know
we're
during
the
public
hearing.
D
Q
Q
I
pushed
back
the
storefronts
and
paved
up
to
the
new
storefront
line
to
gain
back
that
space
that
we
lost
on
the
last
rendition
and
then
also
change
the
paving
as
it
comes
towards
the
sidewalk
on
main
street,
so
that
it
curves
out
gains
some
additional
paving
that
we
didn't
have
before
and
then
curves
back
in
to
meet
the
line
of
the
adjacent
mosque
building.
You
know,
because
we
were
talking
about
that-
we
didn't
want
to
make
it
an
abrupt
step,
so
it
curves
back
that
way.
Q
Q
B
C
Q
D
Q
Right,
okay,
yeah,
so
we'll
make
that
adjustment
for
the
next
one,
but
but
yeah
and-
and
you
know
those
were
the
main
changes
we.
We
did
look
at
having
roof
access,
having
solar
panels
on
the
roof
that
we're
also
adjusting
the
landscape
design
for
this
new
plaza
layout
and
we'll
get
more
information
from
the
landscaper
on
the
on
the
roof
plant
thing
as
well,
and
that
and
that
deck
layout.
But
we
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
that.
Q
G
B
B
So
the
eastern
sidewalk
and
the
eliza
street
entrance
seems
to
me
you
should
look
out
for
additional
lighting
possibilities,
okay,
other
than
that,
I
think
we're
you
know
other
than
the
architectural
review
subcommittee
work,
the
site
plans
looking
better
from
my
perspective,
and
I
I
think
the
the
space
out
front
looks
much
more
usable.
The
only
question
I
have
is
about
pavers
the
scene
between
pavers
and
and
the
concrete
sidewalk.
B
I
I
D
A
So,
as
mr
clark
had
commented
on
the
lighting,
we
had
some
comments
on
that.
We
are
also
asking
that
the
plans
be
updated
to
actually
show
the
utility
poles
that
are
running
through
the
parcel
on
the
south
side
of
eliza
street
and
questioning
as
to
whether
are
there
any
utility
easements
for
those
poles.
In
that
run.
A
N
D
N
N
Critical
detail
to
to
manage,
I
like
the
seating
in
front
of
the
building
and
perhaps
there's
an
opportunity
to
expend
expand
the
the
planting.
That's
on
the
west
corner.
You
know
out
towards
the
sidewalk
a
little
bit
to
make
more
of
a
space
for
the
the
tables
between
you
know:
separation
between
the
entrance
into
the
the
addition
and
the
seating
area
in
front
of
the
building.
G
J
Landscaping
in
the
front
of
the
building,
it's
it's
a
big
improvement
and
I
still
don't
understand,
what's
happening
in
the
rear,
there's
some
sort
of
ramp
and
the
building
overhangs
it's
hard
to
tell
because
it
seems
like
it's
drawn
differently:
it's
not
coordinated.
I
wasn't
sure
what
that
was
about.
There
was
a
if
you.
Q
Q
C
Can
we
talk?
We
can
we
also
comment
on
that
eaf
form
right
now.
It
was
in
the
package
because
I
think
I
was
scanning
through
everything
and
I
think
that
section
d2
is
still
written
as
if
there
is
no
excavated
material
being
taken
off
site,
and
I
would
imagine
for
the
expansions
of
the
building
there's
going
to
be
excavation
for
foundation,
and
I
don't
think
that
can
be
unless
you
tell
me,
so
I
don't
think
that's
that
material
is
going
to
be
reused
on
site.
M
M
As
a
practical
matter,
you
adopted
your
neg
deck
last
month,
so
the
eif
is
the
tool
that
you
use
to
to
make
your
secret
determination,
which
you
did
last
month.
I
think
it's
good
that
we
make
sure
that
the
records
are
accurate
for
the
files,
so
it
would
be
helpful
to
get
an
answer
to
that
question,
to
make
sure
that
the
document
that's
in
our
files
is
accurate,
but
that
tool
won't
be
used.
D
M
Q
N
D
Q
Q
E
D
E
B
E
E
E
K
Yeah,
I
agree
that
the
the
area
sidewalk
has
improved
a
lot
and
appreciate
that
I
I
also
agree
that
there's
a
potential
for
a
chipping
hazard
of
you
know,
obviously,
if
the
joint
isn't
done
well,
because
it's
a
curved
condition,
but
I'm
sure
that
you'll
look
into
that.
I
I
did
just
want
to
clarify
the
setback
of
the
forefoot
setback
of
the
storefront
area.
That
will
be
is
that,
in
line
with
the
existing
sort
of
set
setback,
the
existing
building-
that's
yeah,.
Q
K
K
G
Q
B
It's
only
four
feet
now
between
the
tree
well,
which
has
a
big
tree
in
it.
That's
right
up
against
the
edge
of
the
well
and
the
current
curb
line
where
the
landscape
green
area
is
so.
This
will
be
a
big
improvement
on
that
now
it
won't
be
sort
of
the
curve
will
come
out
to
their
property
line,
but
you'll
still
have
a
clearance
between
the
curb
and
the
curve,
the
apex
of
the
curve.
So
there
is
another
lamppost
in
there
too,
further
down
on
the
west,
but.
P
P
G
M
R
P
P
C
F
L
L
L
They
can
get
in
through
the
back
lot
off
eliza
street
and
get
to
the
back
of
the
building.
They
do
not
need
to
go
up
that
driveway.
If
you
eliminate
that
driveway
you'll
have
a
lot
more
green
space
you'll
be
able
to
plant
some
nice
tall
trees
to
shade
the
building
itself,
give
some
more
character
to
the
building.
L
The
sidewalk
can
still
be
there.
You
don't
have
to
worry
about
pedestrians,
interacting
with
cars
on
that
sidewalk.
If
it's
all
grass,
you
can
also
eliminate
that
ugly
guard
rail
and
replace
it
with
the
nice
fence
along
the
the
the
apart.
The
lot
john
clark
said
that
perhaps
you
need
some
kind
of
something
to
hang
your
hat
on,
to
be
able
to
eliminate
that
driveway.
L
L
L
L
Three
people
turning
left,
just
as
that
car
turns
left
the
little
girl
sees
the
dog
and
runs
across
the
driveway.
I
don't
need
to
continue
to
tell
you
what
might
happen
that
is
very,
very
critical.
It's
a
very
dangerous,
very
dangerous
driveway
and,
along
with
all
that
green
space,
you
wouldn't
have
to
worry
about
the
10
percent
rule
or
anything.
So
again,
I
urge
you
just
to
eliminate
that
driveway.
S
S
The
residents
in
this
town
over
the
the
canyonization
of
main
street
that
we
continue
to
do
this.
We
continue
to
allow
this
just
I'm
just.
I
just
can't
believe
that
I'm
sitting
in
a
meeting
over
another
block,
literal
block
of
vistas
and
view
sheds
in
the
in
in
our
town
that
were
quibbling
over
planters
and
light
fixtures.
R
I
agree
with
all
of
that.
I
reviewed
the
updated
submissions
package
with
this
application
and
found
it
still
does
not
show
any
significant
changes
from
the
previous
suggestions
at
your
last
meeting.
I
don't
want
to
look
at
drawings
of
a
proposed
parking
lot
in
the
back
that
we
already
know
will
be
insufficient.
R
But
what
strikes
me
most
is
the
lack
of
references.
Where
are
the
renderings
that
would
show
this
generic
big
box
next
to
the
other
buildings
that
surround
this
parcel.
Where
are
the
required
streetscape
visuals?
So
we
can
see
exactly
how
this
large
development
will
overpower
the
neighborhood
historic
buildings.
R
R
F
Thank
you
acting
chairman.
Just
one
note,
there
was
a
reference
that
the
that
the
fourth
story
would
not
be
permitted
on
this
building
because
it's
adjacency
to
a
to
the
historic
district
overlay.
It's
not
located
in
the
city's
historic
district
overlay,
but
it
would
just
be
a
special
permit
review
by
the
city
council.
It
would
just
change
the
reviewing
agency,
the
three-story
building,
as
proposed,
isn't
as
of
right
use
in
the
district.
P
M
G
P
P
G
F
Good
evening
again,
acting
chairman
for
the
record
taylor
palmer
with
the
law
firm
of
cuddy
invader
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
tonight,
I
am
joined
by
ra
siegel,
the
architect,
as
well
as
mike
bodendorf
of
hudson
land
design.
Our
project
engineer,
as
well
as
our
traffic
consultant
rich
d'andrea
of
colliers,
the
owner
and
applicants,
are
also
here
with
us
tonight.
F
Just
by
way
of
brief
update
after
our
january
11th
meeting
with
you
all,
we
did
prepare
a
supplemental
submission
to
your
board
dated
january
25th,
which
included
specific
details
about
the
updated
loop
drive
at
the
last
meeting.
We
spent
a
good
deal
of
time
trying
to
discuss
some
of
the
options
or
alternatives
which
we
did
explore
and
rea
and
our
respective
consultants
excuse
me
and
the
the
applicant
and
our
respective
consultants
will
address
or
present
to
you
briefly.
F
The
driveway
has
been
narrowed
as
much
as
possible
such
that
a
shuttle
bus
can
still
navigate
the
the
access
way
there
and
delivery
vehicles
can
still
maneuver
the
proposed
traffic
loop
that
we
have
the
circulation
loop
that
we
have.
We
did
as
far
as
the
southerly
walkway
spur.
We
did
remove
that
from
the
loop
and
we
did
add
additional
plantings
that
have
been
incorporated
into
the
design.
F
We
did
change
the
paving
to
a
brick
paver
to
try
and
improve
the
relationship
with
the
historic
structures
and
the
surrounding
landscape.
The
sycamore
tree,
which
we
did
discuss
the
last
meeting,
is
not
going
to
be
impacted
by
the
design,
any
design
associated
with
this
in
a
minute,
as
I
mentioned
I'll,
turn
it
to
aria
and
gavin
to
kind
of
walk
through
some
of
those.
Those
other
changes.
F
This
matters
as
the
previous
matters
also
now
before
your
arb
subcommittee.
Of
course.
Again,
all
recommendations
from
your
arab
subcommittee
will
be
brought
back
to
this
board.
They
will
also
be
meeting
again
to
discuss
continued
review
of
this
project
on
friday
of
note
just
again,
just
some
other
brief
updates,
we're
not
in
hearing
on
this
application
yet,
but
we
have
had
a
chance
to,
or
the
applicant
has
reached
out
to,
the
owners
of
the
adjoining
buildings
and
properties.
F
So
we
did
reach
out
to
the
river
ridge
views
homeowners
association
and
they
did
have
a
meeting
also
with
the
folks
from
west
end.
Some
folks
that
would
come
out
based
on
some
notices
that
were
sent
out
from
the
west
end
lofts
project.
So
we
do
have
some
letters
of
support
that
we
did
receive
from
some
residents
in
the
west
end
lofts
that
we'll
submit
we'll
resubmit
those
again
at
the
time
of
the
public
hearing.
F
But
we
just
wanted
to
note
that
we
are
reaching
out
to
the
neighbors
and
we're
trying
to
get
a
lot
of
that
input
into
the
project
so
that
it
hopefully
will
have
a
good
result.
When
we
get
to
the
public
hearings
on
this
project,
all
right
and
lastly,
but
not
leastly,
we
did
submit
to
the
building
department
a
request
for
two
determinations,
one
which
we
sort
of
already
had
the
answer
to.
But
we
thought,
since
we're
there
for
all
purposes,
we'd
seek
a
determination
on
the
1964
parking
exception.
F
So
we
submitted
that
to
mr
buckley
for
his
office's
review
in
connection
with
the
planning
board
attorney,
and
we
also
sought
an
ultimate
confirmation
of
exactly
what
parking
relief
we
would
need
or
require
based
on
the
present
proposal.
So
those
details
are
still
being,
I
believe,
reviewed
by
both
the
building
department
and
mr
buckley.
F
But
we
do,
of
course,
want
to
meet
with
you
all
tonight
as
we're
in
the
secret
process
to
try
and
hopefully
continue
to
hash
out
site
circulation
and
those
details,
because
zoning
board,
even
if
we
end
up
going
to
them,
won't
be
able
to
act
on
this
project
until
your
board
completes
the
secret
review
process.
They
are
an
involved
agency
because
we
do
require,
at
least
as
designed
some
relief.
We
don't
know
the
exact
nature
of
that
relief
yet,
but
they
are
an
involved
agency
in
this
process.
F
H
Thanks
taylor,
I'm
gavin
hecker
and
I'm
just
going
to
speak
to
some
of
the
updates
that
we
made
on
the
site
plan.
First.
First,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
we,
we
added
plantings
to
the
southern
boundary
after
a
discussion
with
river
ridge,
and
we
have
ongoing
discussions
with
river
ridge,
but
these
new
plantings
create
a
complete
privacy
border
from
the
river
ridge
department.
We
worked
with
our
landscape,
architect,
deborah
adams,
on
that.
H
H
Had
a
survey
go
through
there,
and
this
is
where
the
the
the
trail
will
go
through
and
it
it
avoids
much
of
the
tombs.
And
so
that's
that's
our
survey
of
the
tombstones.
So
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
was
about
the
loop
drive
of
the
church.
So,
as
taylor
was
saying,
we
did
narrow,
we
narrowed
the
drive
and
we
from
the
last
site
plan
that
you
saw,
and
so
we
took
out
the
existing
extension
on
the
southern
driveway.
H
The
reason
why
we
want
to
have
that
is
specifically
for
the
drop
off
for
events
and
it
it
this
way
it
won't
interfere
with
any
hotel
operations,
so
the
the
way
that
we
wanted
to
limit
the
availability
of
this
drive
is
through
this
post
and
chain.
That's
that's
set
up
in
front,
so
it
actually
won't
be
open
most
of
the
time,
and
we
we
don't,
we
don't.
We
don't
think
that
it's
a
fair
assessment
to
say
that
it's
going
to
become
a
parking
lot.
H
It's
it's
going
to
be
shut
off
most
of
the
time
and
just
be
allowed
for
event
drop-off,
and
we
did
explore
some
of
the
options
that
the
board
had
spoken
about
at
our
last
meeting
and
they're
not
feasible
for
the
purpose
of
of
actually
what
the
intended
person
purpose
of
dropping
off
people
at
the
event.
So
the
one
that
suggested
that
would
be
a
one-way
behind
the
hotel
would
end
up
eliminating
parking
spots
and
just
cause
more
traffic
congestion.
H
And
then
we
are
also.
We
also
looked
into
the
loop
in
front
of
the
hotel,
which
would
be
a
too
tight
of
a
turning
radius
for
anything
larger
than
a
a
car,
or
maybe
a
a
small
van
so
and
either
way
it
would
it
would
it
wouldn't
serve
the
purpose
of
dropping
people
off
in
front
of
the
church
and
it
would
probably
cause
more
pedestrian
traffic
to
get
in
the
way
of
actual
car
traffic
as
well.
So
those
are
the
reasons
we
want
to.
T
Good
evening,
just
for
the
record
rich
dandrea
from
collier's
engineering
and
design,
so
I
was
just
gonna
run
through
a
couple
of
the
updates
on
the
traffic
and
parking
end
of
things.
You
know,
so
we
had
provided
a
revised
or
a
response
letter
to
the
creighton
manning's
last
round
of
comments
in
the
most
recent
submission.
One
of
the
things
or
one
of
the
bigger
things
in
that
letter
was
about
the
credit
that
we
were
taking
for
non-vehicular
or
mass
transit
usage
for
both
traffic
and
parking.
T
So
what
we
provided
in
our
most
recent
submission
was
a
a
what
I
call
a
sensitivity,
traffic
analysis
of
all
the
intersections
that
we
previously
studied
using
a
lower
credit.
We
had
previously
used
the
credit
of
25
percent
on
the
trip
generation
and
the
parking
we
looked
at
now,
a
10
credit
on
that
end,
which
just
to
get
an
idea
of
how
that
changes,
the
traffic
and
parking
generation
for
the
development
and
the
impacts.
T
When
you
look
at
the
traffic
end
of
things,
there
was
no
real,
significant
change.
There
there's
some
some
minor
increases
in
delays,
but
the
recommendations
of
our
study
more
or
less
stay
the
same
and
then
one
of
the
other
things
just
on
traffic
really
is.
We
were
asked
to
make
a
submission
to
dot
of
the
of
the
traffic
study
which
we
haven't
done
yet,
but
we
will
be
doing
this
week
to
get
that
process
moving
d.o.t
as,
as
you
know,
nine
walcott
avenue.
T
T
One
of
the
other
items
that
we
were
asked
to
provide-
and
we
will
we
started
looking
at
this,
but
we'll
provide
it
more
in
the
next
submission-
is
the
tompkins
lot
and
exactly
how
many
parking
spaces
can
actually
be
provided
there.
If
you
look
at
the
figure
that's
shown
here,
we
show
70
spaces,
that's
what
we
quoted
in
our
in
our
traffic
analysis,
and
that
was
based
on
some
of
the
information
that
was
provided
in
the
mainstream
access
committee
documentation.
T
However,
we're
going
to
provide
a
more
detailed
sketch
of
what
we
think
the
parking
layout
could
be
based
on
preliminary
analysis.
It
looks
like
we
could
probably
get
actually
66
spaces
rather
than
70..
So
that's
going
to
change
some
of
the
some
of
the
numbers
there
a
little
bit,
but
not
not
significantly,.
T
T
So
we
will
revise
that
and
address
that.
That
comment
and
we'll
update
the
study
to
reflect
that.
Obviously,
what
we
showing
on
the
screen
here
is
just
a
view
of
what
parking
is
actually
available
in
the
area.
We
know
we're
providing
the
31
spaces
on
site.
We
talked
about
the
tompkins
lot
in
which
we
think
is
going
to
be
probably
66
spaces,
what
we're
going
to
come
out
with
if
it
was
fully
striped
out.
T
Obviously,
the
municipal
lot
is
a
is
approximately
70
spaces
realistically
usable,
because
a
lot
of
some
of
the
spaces
here
are
designated
for
police
parking
or
other
official
parking,
so
they
can't
necessarily
be
used
and
then
there's
also
the
seven
dew
spaces
that
we
know
on
on
beekman
street,
which
we,
our
accounts
have
shown
are
pretty
readily
available
during
most
times
of
the
day.
So
with
all
that
parking,
we
do
think
that
we
have
enough
parking
in
the
area
to
accommodate
this
and
we're.
You
know.
T
We've
tried
to
make
some
recommendations
on
how
we
can
further
reduce
the
parking
requirements
of
the
site.
So
you
know
those
are
the
things
we've
gone
through
and
then
just
one
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
mention
was.
I
think
there
was
a
comment
about
you
know
people
may
want
look
to
park
on
academy
street
because
it's
actually
the
closest
location
to
to
this
site.
T
I
don't
know
that
that
to
me
that
that's
really
realistic,
because
if
you
look
at
academy
street
there's
that
wall
that's
right
there
at
the
end
that
people
coming
down
there,
I'm
not
sure
that
people
are
gonna
even
if
you're
a
visitor
to
the
site.
You're
gonna
know
that
that's
a
viable
location
to
even
look
for
parking
if
you're
more
local,
maybe
but
that's
just
something
that
was
brought
up
and
wanted
to
address
and
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions.
At
this
point.
F
And
that
I
think
that's
it
for
for
our
presentation
at
this
point.
Certainly
we
are
here
to
address
any
comments.
I
know
again,
the
circulation
on
the
site
has
been
a
comment.
That's
that's
that's
here
and
we're
in
the
secret
process,
and
it
will
ultimately,
it
could
change
things
like
the
number
of
parking
spaces
we
can
provide
off-site,
for
example,
going
around
the
parsonage
cutting
through
the
back
of
the
building.
F
There
are
changes
that
could
be
implemented,
you
know
or
could
be
affected,
so
we're
hoping
to
have
you
know
a
discussion
with
the
board,
at
least
as
it
relates
to
our
proposal
here
we
think
we've
done
a
a
real
workup
of
trying
to
address
mr
clark
and
the
board's
concerns
about
the
loop
drive
in
the
front
of
the
existing
church.
Again,
it's
an
existing
driveway
there
today,
we're
not
you
know
we're
closing
off
the
loop
in
in
so
creating,
but
we're
not
creating
a
new
condition
in
that.
F
In
that
location
we
are
trying
to
improve
it
with
the
brick
favors.
You
know.
As
the
applicant
mentioned,
we
have
a
means
of
cutting
it
off.
It's
not
going
to
be
utilized
daily.
We
understand
those
concerns
and
we're
trying
to
help
mitigate
those
incorporating
plantings
and
other
ways
also
to
keep
vehicles
out
of
that
location.
So
we're
hopeful
that
that
that
these
design
changes
are
working
towards
a
circulation
aspect
that
the
board
is
comfortable
with
and
that
mr
clark
may
see
as
good
modifications
to
that
front.
B
B
I
think
circulating
through
the
parking
lot
and
coming
back
out
would
be
beneficial
because
you'd
be
able
to
see
whether
there's
parking
and
then
you'd
be
able
to
come
out
if
there
isn't
and
you
could
drop
off
on
the
exit
drive,
because
it's
24
feet
wide
enough
to
drop
off.
Have
people
go
around
you
while
you're
dropping
off
it
just
seems
to
me
that
would
be
a
at
least
a
viable
way
of
dealing
with
circulation.
That's
not
a
dead
end,
and
it's
not
only
the
turn
around
in
front
of
the
the
church.
C
B
B
B
B
B
Conditions
and
the
hdlo
section
in
the
code
both
have
conditions
that
require
adequate
parking
and
having
the
possibility
of
parking
at
city
hall
and
asking
people
to
walk
up.
The
street
might
work
for
some
people,
but
a
lot
of
other
people
are
going
to
have
their
buddy
drop
them
off
and
stop
on
90
and
let
them
out-
and
I
don't
know
how
you
can
stop-
that
you
can
put
somebody
out
in
front
of
the
church.
B
D
B
As
I
pointed
out,
the
I'm
assuming
2.75
people
per
car
in
terms
of
the
traffic
study,
but
the
parking
climate
is
only
one
per
forced
occupants,
so
they're
already
counting
it.
You
know
giving
you
a
substantial
break
on
parking
that
would
assume
that
that
accounts
for
some
of
the
alternative
ways
of
getting
there.
B
D
B
I
I
We
had
previously
commented
that
the
turning
tiplets
show
vehicles
entering
the
site
having
to
encroach
on
other
travel
lanes
and
then,
when
they
exit
the
site,
they'll
have
to
encroach
on
the
two-way
left
turn
lane.
The
state
could
possibly
have
a
concern
with
that.
We
have
a
bit
of
a
concern
with
it.
As
far
as
when
you
have
a
shuttle
bus
during
the
peak
hour,
you'll
have
other
cars
coming
out.
I
One
recommendation
that
we
have
is
to
use
the
states
require
or
not
the
requirements,
but
their
design
guidelines
to
try
and
mitigate
those
issues
which
you'll
see
in
the
in
the
comment
letter.
But
for
the
board's
like
knowledge,
the
recommendation
that
we're
making
is
to
see
about
widening
the
driveway
within
the
parameters
that
the
state
allows
and
to
design
the
driveway
in
a
way
that
allows
it
to
taper
out
so
that
the
driveway
width
would
be
at
most
30
feet.
I
We
did
review
their
sight
distance
evaluation
of
the
driveway.
We
had
requested
that
they
do
another
sight,
distance
evaluation
of
the
driveway
serving
the
loop
driveway,
as
they
note
in
their
analysis
that
the
the
site
distance
does
fall
short,
but
it's
only
short
by
about
four
feet
and
one
important
factor
there
is
that
it
is
not
critically
limited.
So
what
that
means
is
the
site
distance
at
the
intersection
is
greater
than
the
stopping
site
distance.
I
I
The
tompkins
lot
currently
based
on
the
main
street
access
committee's
analysis,
has
70
spaces,
as
richard
stated,
that
could
be
less
if
it's
less
than
they're
already
close
to
fully
utilizing
that
lot,
based
on
their
offsite
parking
demand
that
we've
calculated,
which
was
64
spaces
if
that
gets
reduced
by
the
expansion
or
when
that
gets
reduced.
I
don't
know
if
it's,
if
for
when
for
the
firehouse
expansion,
that
lot
will
be
over
utilized
and
they'll
be
seeking
parking
at
other
locations,
including
the
municipal,
plaza
and
beekman
street,
which
their
study
has
indicated
has
parking
availability.
C
Could
you
step
us
through
the
the
assumptions
for
the
parking
requirement,
and
just
you
know
concisely,
just
kind
of
like
were
the
assumptions
for
example,
that
you
know
the
event
is
300
plus
people
there's
30
rooms
in
the
hotel,
four
people
per
room.
That's
that
takes
120
off
the
table
right
there
is
that,
can
you
just
run
through
that
rationale?
Please
right.
I
I
The
applicant
has
stated
that
the
event
space
in
the
restaurant
will
not
be
simultaneous
uses.
So
therefore
there
won't
be
people
at
the
ho
or
at
the
restaurant
bar
and
and
also
people
at
the
event
space
retaining
wall.
So
there
that
means
that
the
peak
demand
of
parking
spaces
would
be
an
event
space
and
a
hotel.
C
C
D
C
Its
own
independent
utilization
of
whether
there's,
for
example,
a
concert,
and
I
think
that's
I
think,
when
there's
a
large
event
like
a
concert,
that's
a
high
intensity
use
that
it's
going
to
have
to
it.
Would
it
should
be
acknowledged
that
at
that
point,
the
overlap
between
the
hotel
use
and
the
event
space
is
going
to
start
to
decrease
significantly.
M
I
think
the
other
thing
that's
important
to
remember
is
there's
sort
of
two
two
like
silos
that
we're
talking
about
here,
we're
talking
about
what's
required
by
code
as
far
as
what
the
parking
requirements
are,
for
you
know,
just
a
strict
application
of
the
zoning
requirements
and
that's
something
that
dave
buckley,
based
on
information
provided
by
the
applicant,
is
endeavoring
to
calculate
and
figure
out.
What
is
the
zoning
requirement
for
parking
right,
which.
H
C
F
I
don't
know
if
it
was
intentionally
written
that
way
to
avoid
the
five-factor
analysis
by
the
zoning
board,
but
it's
a
waiver
or
a
variance,
there's
the
option
of
getting
a
variance
or
a
waiver.
I
don't
know
that
it
was
intended
to
be
so
specific
as
to
say
hey.
We
waive
it
without
going
through
the
analysis
the
applicant
would
be
submitting.
M
M
Another
standard
relevant
to
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
that
parking
areas
will
be
of
adequate
size
for
the
particular
use
and
properly
located
and
suitably
screened
from
adjoining
residential
uses.
The
entrance
and
exit
drives
shall
be
laid
out
so
as
to
achieve
maximum
safety
and
uses
will
not
cause
unreasonable
traffic
congestion
or
create
a
traffic
hazard.
So
it's
important
to
note
that
it
says
parking
areas
will
be
of
adequate
size,
for
the
particular
use
and
properly
located
doesn't
necessarily
require
that
those
parking
areas
be
on
site.
M
P
I
So
I
think
we
were
going
through
the
parking
requirements
that
we
had
kind
of
tabulated
and
then
our
final
comment
was
just
to
keep
in
mind
that
the
use
you
know
still
has
the
restaurant
use
we're
very
focused
on
the
peak
demand
of
an
event
but
to
keep
in
mind.
There's
the
cafe
restaurant
and
so
that's
why
we
had
requested
the
study
of
the
municipal
lot
during
those
operating
hours
of
one
to
five.
A
So
we're
glad
to
hear
that
they're
submitting
to
the
dot,
hopefully
the
dot,
can
give
some
insight
to
the
planning
board.
Also
as
to
the
concerns
as
we're
going
through
this,
you
know
stark
said:
there's
concerns
with
vehicles
moving
in
and
out
the
access
points,
since
those
roads
are
under
dot's
control,
it'd
be
nice
to
hear
from
them
sooner.
A
Lighting
for
that
walkway,
they
said,
will
be
coming
in
the
future.
They're
reviewing
that
right
now
out
on
beekman
street
the
side,
the
plan
should
be
updated
to
show
the
sidewalk
out
there
and
how
that's
going
to
be
interconnected
grading
that
may
be
needed
along
there.
I
mean
that
does
drop
off
a
couple
of
feet
in
the
back.
N
Thank
you
with
regard
to
the
calculation
of
available
parking
spaces
in
the
neighborhood.
Could
you
just
talk
to
like
how
that
is
assessed?
You
know
like
there's,
supposedly
70
or
60
some
odd
spaces,
just
at
the
topkins
hose
you
know,
but
does
that
take
into
account
the
use
of
those
like
you
know
what
percentage
of
those
spots
are
actually
available
and
then
again
to
len's
point?
How
are
these
allocated
to
the
use
that
they're
asking.
N
I
Good,
so
what
colors
did
was
they
went
out
and
inventory
the
parking
lots,
so
they
counted
how
many
spaces
are
there,
so
you
know
say
at
the
top
and
or
at
this
point
they
counted
how
many
spaces
are
available
or
how
many
spaces
are
literally
there,
and
then
they
counted
how
many
cars
are
parked,
so
that
determines
how
many
spaces
are
available
and
that's
what
they've
done
so,
for
instance,
with
the
tompkins
lab
what
they've
done
is
they've
got.
The
estimate
from
the
main
street
committee's
study
had
70
parking
spaces
there.
I
I
No,
so
those
would
to
my
knowledge
right
now.
Those
spaces
would
be
considered
public
parking
still,
so
those
are
not
set
aside
for
this
use.
They're,
not
there's,
there's
no
they're
not
designated
they're,
just
public
parking
spaces,
for
instance
on
beekman
street.
I
don't
know
the
exact
parking
regulations
there,
but
those
parking
spaces
would
have
the
parking
regulations
that
are
set
would
have
to
be
adhered
to.
I
believe
the
report
states
that
it's
managed
by
laz
parking
people
be
paying
laz
parking
to
park
there
and
then
attend
something
at
this
venue.
M
To
say
that
there
are
mechanisms
available
where
they
can
be
allocated,
they
can
be
specifically
designated
either
through
like
if
it's
a
city-owned
parking
lot
through
a
license
agreement
that
would
have
to
be
approved
by
the
city
council
or
an
easement
agreement
or
other
deed
restriction.
It
depends
on,
like
I
said
other
before.
C
Can
you
know
conceivably,
somebody
would
have
to
administer
that
so
that
you
don't
have
a
situation
where
the
firehouse
decides
to
have
a
spaghetti
dinner.
Coincidentally,
on
the
same
evening
as
the
you
know,
you
know
the
herbie
hancock
concert
and
suddenly
there's
this
massive
collision
of
like
uh-oh.
So
it's
like
that.
C
There's
somebody
manning
the
parking
lot,
that
night
saying
event
parking
for
concert
x.
You
know
waving
people
in
with
lights
and
and
actually
so
that
they're
not
going
on
to
the
surrounding
you
know
neighborhood
streets
or
wherever
or
circling
in
search
of,
and
I
think
I
think,
john
his
concerns
about
the
circulation
in
the
parking
lot
go
directly
to
this
kind
of
situation,
where
people
who
maybe
aren't
familiar
with
the
location
they're
coming
to
the
event
they
go.
C
Hey,
let's
just
you
know
what
I
know
it's
supposed
to
be
hotel
parking,
but
let's
just
check
and
see
if
there
isn't
a
space
in
there
and
they
pull
into
the
driveway,
get
nosed
into
that
dead-end
parking
area.
No
spaces
go
to
backup,
oh
somebody's
behind
me,
and
you
get
this
massive
log
jam
and
you
know
so
there's
so
many
things
you
can
envision
becoming
a
headache
if
it's
not
planned
out
in
a
way
to
deal
with
the
human
factor
of
people
trying
to
get
to
an
event.
P
So
we
have
a
lot
of
scenarios
that
could
functionally
not
work,
but
our
power
is
only
to
figure
out
if
it's
one
feasible,
if
it
can
work
from
our
preview
and
the
tools
that
have
to
be
put
into
the
power
of
the
enforcement
and
the
participants
who
by
fact
would
not
necessarily
want
to
have
a
situation
like
that
happen,
because
it
could
negatively
impact
themselves
and
expose
them
to
liabilities
and
everything
else.
So
I
tend
to
kind
of
look
at
things
and
that's
why.
P
C
P
That's
why
we
have
to
understand
the
foundation
of
where
we
start
from
and
have
everybody
all
the
participants
understand
that,
where
the
concerns
of
being
german,
I
have
a
serious
concern
about
everything
we're
talking
about,
but
standing
back
and
looking
at
it
and
really
understanding.
How
do
we
have
an
actionable
plan
that
could
work
that
could
be
enforced?
Is
the
critical
part,
because
we
can
walk
down
the
fear
path
and
never
get
anywhere.
We
have
to
walk
down
the
path.
Is
this
feasible?
Can
it
happen?
F
No,
we
appreciate
that,
and
I
think
that
the
board
and
we're
hearing
those
comments
and
understanding
that
what
we're
proposing
is
not
one
solution,
we're
trying
to
find
a
number
of
vehicles
and
mechanisms
circulation
being
one
of
them,
off-street
parking,
availability
being
another
one
and
certainly
understand
the
concern
of
of
managing
that.
Of
course,
any
agreement
we'd
create,
would
be
recordable
deed
searchable.
F
All
those
things
are
different
of
criteria
or
ways
to
manage
some
of
that
crazy,
but
we
also
have
to
remember
this
is
a
church
that
could
have
a
wedding
today
without
any
of
the
circulation
issue.
I
know
we're.
We've
talked
about
this
and
I'm
not
trying
to
beat
the
dead
horse
here,
but
it
is
an
existing
condition.
That's
why
there's
benefits
in
your
code
for
uses
that
were
in
existence
in
1964..
F
There
are
criteria,
we're
trying
to
make
better
a
condition
and
and
hopefully
be
able
to
preserve
and
and
and
do
good
by
this
existing
use
on
the
site
and
we're
hearing
those
comments
and
working
them
in.
We
do
see
some
shortcomings
and
some
of
the
recommendations
of
of
the
planners
we've
tried
to
work
them
into
our
our
design.
There
are
ways
that
maybe
multiple
means
of
whether
it's
loop
drive,
multiple
you
know
ways
to
achieve.
F
This
can
help
resolve
some
of
that
crazy
or
effectuate
that
it
might
not
be
one
solution
so
we're
not
by
any
stretch
suggesting
that,
but
we're
saying
that
that
that
there
are
ways
to
achieve
that
that
wouldn't
affect
the
historic
nature
of
the
site,
we're
doing
the
loop
driver
posing
the
brick.
I
mean
we
have
other
churches
on
walcott
that
you
have
a
loop
drive.
I
mean
if
you're
headed
up
towards
mount
beacon
you
coming
into
that
site.
There
is
a
loop
drive
that
connects
to
walcott,
so
I'm
forgetting
the
name
of
the
church.
F
C
F
You
just
said
it,
I
think,
that's
an
important
point.
Landscaping
and
other
screening
is
that
to
say
that
that
would
affect
negatively
the
the
historic
aspect
of
the.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
things
here
that
that
are
parsed
out.
So
it's
not
just
one
driveway
ruins
it's
an
existing
driveway,
we're
looping
it
we're
connecting
it
we're
trying
to
make
it
better,
we're
narrowing
it
we're
adding
things
so
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
a
lot.
C
Of
ways,
I
understand
that
you,
you
need
to
advocate
for
your
client,
but
I
just
don't
lose
sight
when
you
say
that
this
is
an
existing
use,
that
the
property
that
originally
that
church
had
for
parking
has
been
peeled
off
of
it
and
that
church
has
been
underutilized
since
for
decades
I
mean
I
driving
past
it
for
decades
that
I've
lived
here.
The
dutch
reform
church
congregation
must
have
been
microscopic
for
20
years.
It's
you
know.
So
it's
not.
F
Of
course-
and
we
didn't
have
west
end
lofts
and
we
didn't
have
river
ridge
and
we
didn't
have
the
edge
view
we
didn't
have
you
know
what
what
is
coming
for
fairylanding.
So
you're
right,
there's
a
lot
of
change.
That's
happened
here,
and
this
is
an
effort
to
preserve
some
of
what
was
and
to
better.
You
know
to
try
and
work.
C
Which,
I
think
is
an
excellent.
You
know,
and
I
remind
myself
constantly
just
to
make
sure
that
people
understand
that
that
I'm
looking
at
this
from
a
very
balanced
perspective,
I
very
much
want
to
see
someone
come
in
and
maintain
lovingly
take
care
of
this
place
and
find
you
know
a
great
use
for
it.
I
think
everybody
would
benefit
and
be
able
to
enjoy
it.
So
don't
misunderstand
me:
please
absolutely.
F
Not
we
we're
here
trying
to
work
through
these,
these
programs.
We
know
we're
early.
You
know
it's
early
in
the
process,
we're
only
in
the
secret
review
we're
not
even
in
a
hearing
associated
with
the
project
so
we're
we
are
still
at
it
and
we're
saying
that
those
recommendations
from
mr
clark
and
your
board
we're
not
just
saying
thanks.
You
know
this
is
what
it's
going
to
be:
we're
not
we're
trying
to
make
those
things
work,
because
that's
what
we
need
to
do
to
satisfy
your
criteria.
F
We've
identified
how
we
meet
those
criteria
or
satisfy
them
with
what
we're
working
on,
but
we
need
to
continue
to
refine
those,
so
they
meet
your
seeker,
the
secret
regulations
and
your
special
permanent
criteria,
as
we
have
incorporated
into
our
design,
but
we're
going
to
continue
to
work.
Those
in
I.
P
J
D
T
Yeah,
so
so
we
did
our
accounts,
we
actually
we
looked
at
the
tompkins
lot.
The
municipal
lot
seeking
street
parking
over
the
course
of
two
fridays
and
two
saturdays,
for
I
believe
the
hour,
I'm
I
don't
have
it
right
in
front
of
me,
but
I
believe
the
hours
were
from
one
o'clock
in
the
afternoon
until
eight
o'clock
at
night
to
get
an
idea
of
what
that
utilization
is
throughout
the
day.
Actually
we
might
have
gone
to
10
o'clock.
T
I
don't
know
the
numbers
right
in
front
of
me,
but
and
and
then
the
one
thing
that
we
didn't
do
was
look
at
the
municipal
lot
from
one
to
five
on
those
two
fridays
and
two
saturdays,
because
we
felt
that
the
utilization
or
sorry
on
the
two
fridays,
because
the
utilization
was
going
to
be
pretty
high
on
a
friday,
that
it
didn't
really
pay
to
look
at
that
lot.
But
we
did
go
back
and
take
another
look
at
that
in
the
last
submission,
so
yeah
we.
D
T
P
I
think
to
lin's
point,
though,
that
we
can
only
do
what
we
can
do,
respectively
to
even
those
plans.
You
know
as
much
as
you
may
direct
someone
to
tell
them
not
to
do
or
to
do
something.
You
really
have
no
control
over
it,
and
I
think
the
expectation
of
what
this
could
potentially
look
like
should
be
a
consideration
when
we're
looking
at
it
all.
So
I
you
know
that
way.
P
You
you're
you're
not
walking
yourself
into
a
situation
that
lays
out
a
plan
that
really
is
falls
out
of
your
control
at
a
certain
point,
because
if
all
of
a
sudden
350
turns
into
500
your
best
laid
plans
are
a
waste.
So
so,
but
from
an
enforcement
standpoint,
we
don't
want
to
wind
up
putting
undue
burden
on
building
department,
police
department
and
other
people,
because
we
didn't
think
about
this
stuff
in
advance.
We
want
success
yeah,
so
everybody
does,
but
success
comes
at
a
cost.
T
G
T
T
N
N
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
hear
more
of
the
strategies,
the
proactive
strategies
that
you're
envisioning
to
use
to
alleviate
the
issues
such
as
the
dead
end
parking
lot,
which
just
seems
like
a
nightmare
waiting
to
happen,
and
then
you
know
on
the
more
nuts
and
bolts
to
address
the
changes
that
you've
done.
I
appreciate
the
the
landscaping
plan.
N
J
P
J
Yeah,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
hoping
that
something
positive
for
the
city
happens
here,
definitely
and
there's
a
lot
of
potential
for
it
to
be
beneficial.
There's
also
a
huge
amount
of
impact
for
the
people
that
live
here.
If
it's
not
managed
and
dealt
with
correctly,
the
biggest
thing
is
the
parking
obviously,
and
the
other
thing
is
like
making
sure
that
what
is
one
of
maybe
three
jewels
in
beacon
the
howland
center.
J
This
building
the
the
craighouse,
is
treated
with
the
kind
of
respect
visually
that
it
deserves
as
a
as
as
as
a
visual
introduction
to
the
city
of
beacon,
it's
just
it.
It's
it'd
be
worth
it's
worth
it
for
the
city
to
strongly
encourage
that
that
front
yard
in
front
of
the
church
be
dealt
with
in
the
most
sensitive
way
that
it
can
be
because
there's
so
much
parking
that
is
going
and
circulation
and
other
things
a
lot
of
the
parking
is
gonna
have
to
be
dealt
with
off-site.
J
That's
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
to
deal
with.
I
think
that
you
could
probably
lose
if
you
could
manage
to
lose
a
few
parking
spots
and
improve
the
landscaping,
since
the
large
proportion
of
it
is
going
to
have
to
be
dealt
with
off-site.
In
any
case,
that's
just
my
sense
of
the
existing
site
plan
and
also
since
any
any
of
the
solutions
to
this
that
have
been
envisioned,
none
of
which
are
very
firmly
thought
through
involve
a
public
participation.
J
P
O
E
B
N
E
Not
in
favor
of
the
loop
in
front
of
on
the
front
lawn,
I
think
it's
important
to
have
as
much
space
around
the
the
church
itself
as
possible
and
it
seems
like
a
major
impact
on
the
site
with
with
very
little
to
gain
in
the
end
for
doing
it,
whereas
if
you
could,
if
because
there
is
a
driveway
on
the
north
side
of
the
hotel
already,
I
know
it's
a
dead
end,
but
just
wonder
if,
if
that
would
be
a
possibility,
there's
also
a
curb
cut
there.
I
believe.
K
But
the
other
thing
is,
it
just
seems
like
it's
begging
for
a
loop
around
the
building,
because
you
have
all
that
parking
in
behind
the
the
new
hotel.
And
again
I
don't.
I
I
think
a
a
new
drop-off
in
front
of
the
church
loses
the
opportunity
for
say
a
big
wedding
reception
in
front
of
the
lawn.
You
know
you
you're
sort
of
sacrificing
the
opportunity
for
a
kind
of
outdoor
public
use
of
that
space
by
having
this
this
driveway,
this
vehicular
use.
K
K
So
I
just
wonder
if,
if
that's
even
maybe
switching
the
the
way
you
get
in
and
out,
if
that
would
help
your
drop
off,
it
seems
to
me
that
you're,
you
want
to
drop
off
on
the
long
side
of
the
church,
because
you
have
the
cafe
in
the
back.
So
maybe
somehow
dropping
off
on
the
side
of
the
church
is
actually
preferable
to
your
program
than
say
dropping
off
right
in
the
front
of
the
historic
entrance.
F
And
and
just
to
be,
we
have
we
are
exploring
that
and-
and
there
is
good
sight
distance
in
that
area,
I
can
speak
to
that.
Having
spoken
with
our
our
traffic
engineer,
so
we're
doing
that
is,
of
course,
a
narrower
location,
giving
the
existing
configuration
and
and
working
with
the
existing
parsonage
building,
but
we
are
exploring
all
of
these.
These
means
it
was
initially
identified
as
not
not
not
the.
P
P
F
Before
so,
this
is
a
right,
so
I'll
just
touch
on
two
things:
jennifer
just
very
quickly,
one
we're
still
we're
only
in
the
secret
review
process.
Right
now
for
this
application,
this
is
the
only
board,
but
for
the
zoning
board
that
we'd
appear
with
in
connection
with
this
special
permit
this
age,
the
planning
board,
is
the
reviewing
agency
and
the
lead
agency
in
the
seeker
review.
F
Ultimately,
because
we
will,
if
we
maintain
the
project
as
designed,
will
require
a
variance
that
is
going
to
be
determined
by
the
building
department
and
that
will
be
the
letter
of
the
law.
As
far
as
the
number
that
we
need,
so
we're
not
we're
not
there
yet,
but
we
are
in
the
secret
process
and
it
would
be
important
for
the
applicant
to
have
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
that
agency
about
their
their
involvement
and
ultimately
any
recommendations.
They
might
have
to
your
board
as
the
lead
agency
in
the
secret
process.
F
M
Similarly,
the
applicant
might
benefit
from
their
comments.
If
the
zba
takes
a
look
at
this
and
says
sorry,
there's
no
way
we
can
see
granting
this
variance
or
vice
versa.
You
know
we
we
see
as
long
as
you
address
x,
y
and
z.
This
may
not
be
a
problem.
I
think
the
applicant
is
looking
to
get
that
informal
feedback
from
the
zoning
board
and,
like
I
mentioned
it,
would
also
be
helpful
to
you
to
hear
their
feedback
for
your
secret
review.
So.
P
D
M
B
So
the
zoning
board
has
an
update
as
to
what
the
planning
board's
feeling
on
a
certain
project
is
before
they
make
a
determination.
If
you
just
refer
to
them
called
they
will
not
know
what
your
concerns
are,
and
they
will
hear
the
applicant
side
of
the
equation.
But
not
the
planning
board's
concerns.
C
B
N
B
P
Right,
no
understanding,
thanks
for
stealing
my
thunder,
I
think,
there's
exactly
water.
You
know
wanted
to
get
a
feeling
from
the
board
with
respect
to
doing
this,
but
being
very
clear
on
what
our
concerns
are,
so
that
there
is
no
ambiguity
at
the
zba
side.
So
I
just
wanted
to
see
everybody
felt
about
that.
N
J
With
our
recommendation-
and
my
point
about
that
is
that
I
would
prefer
the
parking
to
be
determined
by
an
objective
process
rather
than
what
I'm
worried
about.
Is
that
that
that
number
is
determined
by
a
abstract
formula
right
or
that
it's
it's
it's
determined
by
a
hunch
that
you
could
just
waive
parking
requirements.
That's
the
thing
that
I
would
be
concerned
about
either
one
of
those
at
work.
D
H
M
M
O
M
The
variances
they
are
subject
to
your
seeker
review
because
you're
the
lead
agency,
so
as
lead
agent,
you
want
to
get
the
feedback
and
input
from
all
of
the
other
agencies
with
approval
authority,
so
that
you're,
taking
into
consideration
any
concerns
or
issues
that
they
may
have.
As
you
come
to
your
conclusion,
so
so
that's
what
you
would
be
looking
for
from
the
zoning
board.
Any
concerns
issues
comments
that
they
may
have
relative
to
the
parking
variants
that
that
the
applicant
would
be
seeking,
so
that
you
could
take
that
in
consideration.
E
K
M
M
G
M
P
D
P
P
U
Okay,
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions,
but
the
plans
have
been
dropped
off
all
the
resolution
items
have
been
fulfilled.
We
just
put
the
request
in
in
the
event
that
mr
gunn
didn't
get
to
the
plans
to
sign
him
in
time
and
then
I
assume
they
haven't
been
signed.
Yet
since
he's
not
here
to
get
today,
can
I
okay?
That's
that's
anybody
have
a
motion.