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From YouTube: Beacon Planning Board 5-9-23
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The City of Beacon Planning Board Meeting from May 9, 2023
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Right
so
yeah
I'm,
Rea
Siegel
representing
the
applicant,
but
basically
we've
been
working
with
the
city.
Responding
to
comments,
there's
been
a
little
bit
of
back
and
forth
with
revising
drawings.
To
respond
to
those
comments,
so
we've
been
working
on
getting
ready
to
have
the
drawings
ready
for
Signature,
which
they
pretty
much
are
now
so
that
that's
happening
we're
dealing
with
the
Board
of
Health.
We
just
needed
a
little
bit
more
time,
so
we're
looking
for
a
six-month
extension.
Okay,.
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Second,
second,
all
in
favor,
aye,
aye
you're
done
now
moving
on
continued
in
regarding
to
item
number
one
continue
public
hearing
on
application
for
special
use,
permit
and
site
plan
approval,
hotel
and
event
space,
1113,
Walcott
Avenue,
submitted
by
prophecy
theater
LLC.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
Absolutely.
M
I've
trademarked
that
term
the
Taylor
Palmer
to
sneak
up
and
try
and
get
those
extensions,
so
I
appreciate
those
applicants
and
sorry
that
we've
held
you
up
before
for
the
record.
My
name
is
Taylor
Palmer
I'm,
a
partner
with
the
law
firm
of
Cuddy
and
fader
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
tonight,
I'm
joined
by
our
architect,
who
just
snuck
ahead
of
us
on
those
two
applications:
Rea
Siegel,
Rich
D'andre
from
Colliers
engineering
design.
M
Is
our
traffic
console
Mike
bodendorfs
our
engineer
from
Hudson
Land
Design,
we're
also
enjoined
by
Taylor
Sturm
from
B
Lang
Associates.
So
usually
we
all
have
a
lot
of
Johns
and
and
mics
around.
So
now
it's
time
for
another
Taylor
or
T2,
we're
also
joined
by
the
applicant.
This
evening,
as
the
chairman
mentioned,
we
are
before
you
for
our
continued
secret
review
and
our
site
plan
and
special
permit
public
hearings
on
the
project.
M
Representatives
of
the
New
River
Ridge
Development
then
provided
I
believe
a
tour
without
the
applicant
or
representatives
of
Weston
Lofts,
and
we
understand
that
included
stops
at
Hammond
Plaza
the
views
in
West
End
lofts
advance
of
and
following
our
site
visit,
we
did
submit
three
supplemental
submissions
to
the
office
dated
March
31st,
April,
25th
and
May
8th
that
enclosed
our
supplemental
acoustical
reports.
Of
course.
Having
just
provided
that
the
board,
we
don't
expect
for
you
all
to
have
digested
it
necessarily.
M
But,
of
course
we
have
T2
joining
me
this
evening
to
present
our
findings
and
responses
and
I
understand
that
the
bridges
consultant
will
likely
be
on
the
the
call
or
on
the
zoom
are
revised
or
refined
site
plan
includes
our
vice
seating
arrangement.
That
was
one
of
the
requests
from
the
board,
which
reflects
the
applicants
further
reduce
capacity
for
these
maximum
occupancy
events
from
180
down
to
150,
total
attendees
and
I'll.
M
Certainly,
let
Rea
touch
on
those
specifics
just
so
that
we
can
highlight
that
for
the
board
and
additionally,
our
noise
consultant
will
discuss
the
acoustical
report
and
reiterate
the
prior
conclusions
that
the
project
will
not
have
any
potentially
significant
adverse
noise
impacts
produced
from
The
Sound
levels,
consistent
with
the
existing
built
environment
and,
of
course,
the
busy
9d
Corridor.
As
we
discussed
in
both
the
reports,
which
is
in
our
report
and
the
city's
report,
the
sound
Consultants
have
reached
a
consensus
that
sounds
generated
from
within
the
conference
center.
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The
former
church
will
not
create
any
adverse
impact
on
the
surrounding
area.
That
result
is
accomplished
in
large
part
of
the
applicant's
numerous
mitigation
measures
that
we've
implemented
throughout
this
process.
Obviously,
we've
been
before
you
for
for
many
many
months
and
we've
continued
to
modify
and
adjust
that
programming
both
to
address
the
board's
comments
and
those
from
the
public
we've
included
reduced
hours,
total
command
capacity
and
we've
included
decibel
limitations
and
sound
dampering
through
Architectural
Components
to
ensure
the
facility
itself
doesn't
have
those
impacts.
M
Foreign
on
that
note,
as
we
provided
verbally
and
written
comments
previously,
which
included
comments
from
those
living
in
the
adjoining
artist,
Housing
Development,
closest
to
the
north
end
of
the
driveway
and
whose
porches
front
on
9d.
This
is
a
busy
quarter
and
vehicle
noise
and
pedestrian
traffic
are
reports
for
the
detail.
The
existing
sound
emissions
attributable
to
the
surrounding
residential
developments
which,
to
the
applicants,
knowledge,
are
not
currently
being
mitigated
and
would
otherwise
be
subject
to
the
city's
noise
ordinance.
Of
course,
this
project
has
to
comply
with
a
noise
ordinance.
M
That's
notwithstanding
the
discussions,
we're
having
with
your
board
yeah
Temple
has
emphasize
this
point
any
use
on
the
applicant's
property,
including
an
existing
Church.
The
Nobel
condition
will
involve
Vehicles
entering
exiting
the
property
deliveries,
UPS
trucks,
Amazon
Vehicles,
refuse
collection,
garbage
trucks,
Patron
and
pedestrian
voices.
All
of
these
are
similar
and
consistent
to
those
uses
of
budding
us.
It
could
even
be
considered
to
be
less
frequent.
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It's
respectfully
submitted
that
the
applicants
greatly
reduced
hours
of
operation,
total
event,
capacity
reductions,
the
limitations
on
the
days
of
the
week
that
the
space
is
open
in
the
historic
church
and
all
the
other
mitigation
measures
support.
This
I'll
turn
it
to
Arya
just
to
walk
through
please
the
stage.
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Good
evening
so
yeah
we
made
some
changes
to
the
seating
layout
in
in
the
existing
church.
Building
that
reduced
the
number
of
occupants
to
you
know
the
maximum
that
we're
working
with,
and
it
also
allowed
for
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
in
how
the
seating
was
arranged
and
how
it
would
be
cut
off
when
we
needed
to
reduce
the
number.
So
there's
a
there's,
there's
two
different
seating
arrangements.
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The
site
plan
that
there
was
just
a
few
minor
things
that
we
did
apart
from
the
major
thing
of
removing
the
cemetery
Trail,
so
that
that's
no
longer
going
to
be
part
of
the
project.
So
there
won't
be
people
walking
through
the
cemetery
area.
There's
a
there's,
still
a
path
down
to
it
and
the
gate
at
the
end
of
that
path,
for
maintenance
for
for
the
owners
to
maintain
the
cemetery.
But
it's
not
going
to
be
used
as
a
public
walking
way
anymore.
M
Sure
to
your
point:
I'm
Mr
Warner.
There
indeed
are
different
criteria
for
private
and
public
cemeteries.
We
can
provide
a
more
detailed
submission
on
how
that
works,
but,
generally
speaking,
we
haven't
absolutely
applied
it
to
this.
Our
Consultants,
our
the
applicant,
has
mentioned
that
he
will
be
utilizing
a
consultant
to
do
the
work
and
any
maintenance
that
would
be
done,
but
we'll
we'll
get
a
better
answer
for
you,
but
generally
speaking
when
it's
a
private
Cemetery,
it's
there
are
less
controls.
M
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From
what
I
know,
the
remains
have
been
removed
from
those
Crypts
before
we
had
the
problem,
but
they
and
I've
spoken
to
other
Cemetery
professionals
about
this,
and
we
haven't
gotten
to
the
point
where
there's
there's
a
plan
on
how
to
proceed
with
restoration
of
the
cemetery.
We
could
talk
about
that
as
well,
but
as
far
as
I
know,
the
remains
were
removed
from
those
groups.
Okay,.
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Well,
there
will
be,
we
do
have
communications
but
they're
going
to
be
submitted
to
and
in
a
formal
submission,
but
we
will
be
adding
a
note
to
that
plan.
Reflective
of
Maintenance
clearing
branches,
the
other
things
that
are
there,
but
we'll
get
up
more
specific
I've
we've
researched
this
before
we've
had
many
clients
who
have
acquired
cemeteries
because
they're
family
cemeteries,
often
not
you
know
necessarily
from
a
church
and
the
state,
has
no
obligation
to
come
in
and
do
anything,
they're
private
cemeteries.
So
when
they're
private
they
have
they're
just
different
regulations.
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M
Yeah,
all
right
with
that
I
will
turn
over
to
our
noise
consultant
just
to
go
through
their
report
and,
of
course,
we've
submitted
that,
but
it
will
be
considered.
I
understand
your
consultant
may
have
have
already
reviewed.
It
may
be
able
to
provide
responses,
but
we
know
the
board
really
only
has
it's
had
it
for
24
hours.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
you
had
something
from
us
to
kind
of
it's
really
just
an
outline
for
what
our
Consultants
going
to
talk
about
tonight.
O
O
So
hi
this
is
my
first
time
before
this
board
so
good
evening.
Members
of
the
board,
members
of
the
public,
my
name
is
Taylor
Sturm
senior
project,
scientist
at
feline
Associates
based
out
of
Suffolk
County
Long
Island
I'm,
taking
the
place
of
Mike
Bantry
tonight,
who
is
sort
of
my
senior
colleague
in
much
more
of
a
seasoned
noise
expert
when
compared
to
me
so
we'll
try
to
get
through
this.
O
As
best
we
can
I'm
not
going
to
rehash
the
project
too
much
I
know
that
you're
all
very
familiar
with
this
and
Taylor
also
did
a
very
good
job
of
describing
where
we're
at.
But
I
did
want
to
talk
about
this
series
of
supplemental
analyzes
that
our
firm
had
provided
in
order
to
sort
of
inform
the
applicant
of
additional
mitigation
measures
that
they
should
take
and
try
to
best
make
this
project
sort
of
the
best
project.
O
It
can
be
from
a
noise
point
of
view
and
one
of
the
things
that
has
happened
in
the
intervening
time.
I
think
from
the
last
hearing
that
this
project
was
before,
and
now
is
that
from
what
I
understand
the
city's
noise
consultant,
the
noise
consultancy
has,
for
the
most
part,
agreed
with
all
of
the
aspects,
the
sound
aspects
of
this
project,
the
mitigation
and
so
on
with
one
sort
of
notable
outlier,
which
is
that
Northern
driveway
that
runs
along
the
northern
property
line.
O
So
that's
sort
of
what
what
I'm
planning
on
talking
about
a
little
bit
tonight
I'll
try
to
be
as
brief
as
I
can
obviously
but
I
want
to
I
want
to
look
at
this
driveway
and
and
sort
of
demonstrate
to
you
through
sort
of
two
lenses
how
this
is
not
necessarily
something
that's
going
to
cause
an
undue
impact
on
this
on
this
property
and
that's
the
existing
and
proposed
use
of
this
driveway
and
also
the
context
in
which
this
driveway
exists.
Now
and
so
talking
about
the
use.
O
O
O
O
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
so
that's
sort
of
discussing
the
use
how
it's
virtually,
maybe
not
the
same,
but
not
a
brand
new
use
that
needs
to
be
necessarily
dealt
with
in
that
regard,
but
also
the
context.
This
is
Taylor
mentioned
this
just
before,
and
this
is
no
stranger
strange
topic
to
any
of
us.
This
is
along
Route
9d,
certainly
one
of
the
more
busier
roads
in
and
out
of
Beacon
at
this
location.
O
You
have
a
bus,
stop
up
the
road
that
Services
the
G
bus.
You
have
pedestrians
walking
down
the
street
along
the
public
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
the
road.
They
can
no
matter
what
time
of
day
they
want,
they
could
be
on
the
phone
they
could
be
talking
to
one
another
as
they
walk
by
I
should
mention
that
the
Metro
North
train,
that
is
just
west
of
west
of
the
site
that
blows
their
horn
Drives
By
all
the
time.
O
That
is
to
say
that
this
is
an
area
that
is
already
impacted
from
a
noise
point
of
view.
This
is
somewhere
that
you
go
outside
and
you're
not
expecting
to
be
out
in
you
know
the
middle
of
the
woods
or
something.
This
is
how
the
existing
Edition
plays
out.
Currently,
that's
not
to
say
that
you
know
something
like
an
apartment.
Building
shouldn't
be
taken
into
consideration,
but
the
apartment
building
itself
is
an
interesting
situation,
because
you
know
this
building
is
not
flanked
on
all
sides
by
Meadows
and
babbling
Brooks
and
so
on.
O
O
When
I
was
there
doing
the
original
sound
monitoring
for
for
this
application,
there
were
people,
warming,
their
cars
up,
idling,
huge
pickup
trucks
right
along
the
property
line,
because
this
this
parking
lot
interesting
lamp
actually
goes
to
that
shared
shared
lot
line,
and
the
point
of
me
saying
this
isn't
to
point
fingers
and
say:
well:
if
they're
able
to
unabatedly
create
sound
levels
onto
this
property,
why
can't
you
know
we
do
the
same
or
something
like
that?
It's
just
to
describe
that.
O
The
reason
why
this
isn't
a
big
deal
is
because
it's
not
causing
an
impact.
This
is
not
something
that's
out
of
the
realm
of
normalcy
in
this
area.
So
when
you,
when
you
look
at
that,
also
I
will
say:
there's
a
there's,
a
garbage
receptacle
right
there
along
that
same
lot,
line
that
I
guess
has
to
be
serviced
by
garbage
trucks
and
and
also
that
building
probably
gets
a
ton
of
Amazon
trucks
a
day.
O
The
impact
here
is
going
to
be
negligible
to
almost
zero
impact,
and
so
how
is
that?
Something
that
we
could
I
could
come
up
here
and
tell
you?
Okay,
there's
no
impact,
that's
great.
But
how
is
that
something
that
we
can
quantify
and
the
probably
the
easiest
way
to
quantify?
That
is
by
using
the
Housing
and
Urban
Development
standards,
the
HUD
standards,
which
are
put
in
place.
For
almost
this
exact
reason,
it's
the
you
have
apartment
buildings
and
cities.
O
You
have
dwellings
and
Residences,
and
you
want
to
make
sure
that
the
people
that
live
in
those
buildings
have
a
safe
and
quiet
place
to
go
and
live
their
lives
and
not
have
to
be
worried
about
the
sound
from
the
cities
and
other
traffic
and
impacts,
and
so
on.
And
here
that
or
that
standard
is
45
decibels.
When
you're
inside,
with
the
windows
closed
and
when
we
use
the
the
calculations
provided
by
the
noise
consultancy,
we
were
able
to
see
that
we
would
be
under
that
threshold
by
two
decibels
and
that's
using
that
Northern
driveway.
O
The
way
it's
proposed
with
the
six
foot,
it's
going
to
be
an
attractive,
Cedar,
sound
barrier,
and
so
if
by
Meeting
those
HUD
standards,
we
can
say
okay
well,
this
will
not
be
impacting
the
residences
of
this
building
from
a
sort
of
quantitative
point
of
view.
So
when
you
take
these
three
things
into
consideration,
one
that
the
use
already
exists,
this
is
already
a
driveway
that
has
the
potential
to
be
active
if
the
church
so
sees
it
fit,
that's
totally
up,
you
know
that's
their
prerogative
and
that
sound
level
could
exist
unabated.
O
Two,
that
the
context
is
what
it
is.
This
is
a
very
disturbed
area
as
I
just
described
and
three
that
you
know
the
HUD.
The
HUD
standards
in
this
case
will
be
something
that
won't
be
exceeded
by
the
use
of
this
Northern
driveway
I
think
you
can
say
pretty
unequivocally
that
there
won't
be
an
adverse
impact
based
on
this.
O
So
I
would
I
was
going
to
say
urge,
but
a
polite
way
to
say
urge
would
be
the
board
to
look
at
this
from
an
impact
point
of
view
and
maybe
see
that
there
won't
be
one
by
using
this
driveway.
So
if
there's
any
questions
either
from
you
all
or
from
the
noise
consultancy,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
them,
but.
M
I
just
want
to
add
one
sort
of
point.
Thank
you
T12
that
there
is
a
you
know
this.
This
condition,
what
we're
talking
about
sort
of
this,
this
distilled
piece
that
we're
on
to
this
is
about
a
driveway
that
the
board
recommended
that
we
add
to
this
project
for
site
circulation.
The
applicant,
if
you
recall,
had
a
previously
proposed
a
a
U-turn.
M
We're
in
indoor
Conference
Center
limited
days
limited
folks,
cars
leaving
the
site,
people
leaving
the
site
they're,
not
there
celebrating
outside
they're,
not
partying
outside
this
is
leaving
the
site
and
we're
doing
all.
We
can
to
mitigate
that
to
the
point
where
it
doesn't
rise
to
a
substantial,
potentially
significant
adverse
environmental
impact,
whether
it
be
Vehicles,
yes,
would
there
be
for
any
use
on
the
site?
Absolutely
so
all
we're
trying
to
bring
into
the
context
is
existing
conditions.
No
build
condition
could
be
much
worse.
We're
not
trying
to
do
that.
P
Q
Oh
yeah,
thank
you
very
much,
so
the
memo
concurs
that
the
noises
that
are
generated
inside
the
facility
and
immediately
outside
have
already
been
addressed.
There
are
the
music
on
inside.
The
facility
will
be
attenuated
additionally
by
the
application
of
an
acoustical
panel
engineering,
yet
to
be
determined
interior
to
the
windows
there
are.
There
are
vestibules,
there's
a
vestibule
to
the
front
of
the
property
that
will
contain
so
there's
no
door
directly
open
from
the
venue
out
to
the
outside.
It's
been
represented
that
there
are
other.
Q
The
HVAC
has
been
addressed
where
they
have
accepted
our
recommendation
to
increase
the
acoustical
barrier
around
the
the
HVAC
to
a
height
of
one
foot
above
any
Outlet,
the
top
of
the
unit,
the
the
questions
on
the
rear
deck
voices
in
HVAC.
There
were
some
faux
windows
in
the
in
the
wall
that
is
going
to
be
constructed.
Those
have
agreed
to
be
closed,
the
or
or
it
was
clarified
that
they
were
not
open
initially,
but
it
was
that
was
unclear.
Q
The
the
voices
of
people
on
site,
their
analysis
and
I
did
a
separate,
independent
analysis
using
different
numbers,
but
came
to
the
same
conclusion
that
it
would
be
below
the
permissible
daytime
limit
of
55
at
the
property
line,
as
I've
stated
previously.
What
makes
a
significant
difference
is
that
we're
now,
because
it
will
not
be
operating
at
night
time
by
the
code.
The
standard
that
applies
is
the
55
decibels
at
the
property
line,
not
playing
the
audible
within
the
residences.
Q
Vans
and
trucks
will
not
be
compliant
with
the
55
decibel
permissible
sound
level
limit
at
the
windows,
the
first
second
and
third
floor
windows.
That
being
said,
vehicles
that
are
currently
traversing
that
driveway
are
likely
not
high
probability
of
certainty
that
they
are
not
in
compliance.
Another
another
use
of
that
site
would
also
not
be
in
compliance
at
those
windows
we
provided.
You
know
in
that
report
the
what
we
believe
to
be
the
correct
calculations
and
suggested
that
a
standard
be
used.
Q
Q
It
would
be
a
useful
to
to
determine
if
this
goes
goes
forward.
That
there'd
be
a
period
of
time
where
the
the
vehicle
traffic
on
that
site
the
hours
of
that
traffic
denoted
if,
for
instance,
Service
Vehicles,
such
as
catering
trucks
and
a
band
equipment
trucks
if
those
start
leaving
the
site
at
12
o'clock.
Q
If,
let's
say
the
the
event
ends
at
8
30,
but
they
start
leaving
at
12
30,
and
you
have
a
you-
know-
box
truck
full
of
equipment
or
catering
that
that
could
be
an
issue,
but
we
largely
concur
also
another
question
that
was
not
addressed
is
traffic,
leaving
the
site
will
have
to
accelerate
to
get
on
to
Walcott
Avenue.
It
was.
It
had
been
mentioned.
P
So
one
of
the
questions
we
had
is
what
they
were
going
to
do
to
restore
the
cemetery.
You
know
we'd,
like
that
information
included
on
the
plans.
Mr
Clark
is
not
here,
but
that
was
also
one
of
his
comments
with
regards
to
cemetery.
I
have
some
other
cleanup
requirements
on
the
plans.
One
of
the
plans
was
missing.
P
Some
information
I
think
it
just
got
shut
off
inadvertently
when
it
was
printed
that
Mr
Clark's
had
some
additional
comments
as
far
as
sheet
5,
showing
a
public
restroom
in
accordance
with
the
city's
code,
and
then
he
was
asking
there
was
a
number
of
continuing
public
comments
and
he
was
asking
for
some
of
them
to
be
clarified
in
writing.
Those
being
is
a
fence
proposed
along
the
River
Ridge
side
of
the
project,
as
shown
on
submitted
sheets.
P
M
N
Second,
clip
yeah,
okay,
so
first
I
can
respond.
Sorry,
first
I
can
respond.
Gavin
Hecker
I
can
respond
to
the
the
fence
proposed
along
the
River
Ridge
side,
and
it
is
true
that
there
is
currently
offense
proposed
along
the
ridge
outside
of
the
project
and,
as
shown
on
the
submitted
sheets,
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
back
and
forth
with
this
particular
fence.
N
However,
we're
we're
under
agreement
now
that
there
are
defense
that
is
currently
proposed
can
be
removed,
based
on
input
from
the
neighbors
as
a
vegetative
border
and
will
serve
the
same
screening
purposes
and
the
fence
is
not
required
for
further
any
further
mitigation.
And
that's
if
everybody
is
okay
with
that,
we
can
remove
that
fence
as
that's
what
I
believe
the
River
Ridge
Community
wants
as
well.
N
So
that's
a
really
long-winded
answer
to
that
question.
Sorry,
so
is
there
enough
soil
depth
to
support
the
plantings
on
River
Ridge
side
of
the
project,
so
we
went
back
to
our
landscape,
architect,
Debra
adamsons,
and
here
is
what
she
said.
The
area
in
question
currently
has
thriving
plants
of
all
kinds,
leading
me
to
believe
that
the
existing
soil
is
fertile
and
capable
of
sustaining
more
plants.
If
the
ground
conditions
require
more
growing
medium,
we
can
bring
in
clean
premium
topsoil.
There
is
an
existing
Rove
trees
currently
growing
there.
N
If
we
have
to
bring
in
soil
and
plant
the
proposed
trees
slightly
above
grade.
That
is
common
practice
and
would
give
the
neighbors
more
of
a
screen
and
that's
from
Deborah
so
and
for
for
the
the
the
answer
to
the
smoking.
Smoking
will
be
prohibited
inside
and
we
will
limit
smoking
to
a
small
desert
area
outside
or
it
can
be
banned
completely,
and
we
wanted
to
know
that
if
it
was
prohibited
on
the
neighboring
properties,
we
would
certainly
prohibit
it
on
our
properties.
So
yeah.
M
I
think
and
the
other
there
was
another
comment
about
whether
or
not
we
would
be
utilizing
the
existing
Church
space.
While
the
development
of
the
hotel
is
there,
we
would
certainly
defer
and
we'll
speak
to
the
building
department
and
Council.
But
yes,
we'd
actively
like
to
maintain
the
existing
operations
in
utilization
until
the
hotel
is
built.
Of
course,
we'd
be
accepting
of
any
condition
of
an
approval
that
says
your
hotel
clearly
has
to
be
built,
not
just
conference
space
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
M
E
R
Not
only
did
this
applicant
emphatically
admit,
property
theater
would
adversely
impact
the
neighborhood.
She
also
twice
invoked
her
long
relationships
with
members
of
the
planning
board.
This
suggests
that
the
applicant
is
unaware
that
the
planning
board
making
decisions
based
on
personal
relationships,
which
AKA
cronyism
and
not
the
apical
ordinances,
might
expose
it
to
legal
ramifications.
R
This
type
of
inappropriate,
unprofessional,
unethical
conduct
is
yet
another
example
of
why
we
strongly
suspect
the
applicant's
behavior
toward
the
residents
of
this
quiet
residential
neighborhood,
some
of
whom
have
lived
here
for
decades,
will
be
equally,
if
not
more
disrespectful.
If
the
project
is
approved
and
we
reject
the
inference
by
the
applicant
and
its
few
supporters
that,
because
some
of
us
are
newcomers,
we
have
no
right
to
protest
this
project
and
should
instead
just
roll
over
and
let
prophecy
theater
profit
by
disrupting
and
compliment
compromising
the
quality
of
Our
Lives.
R
M
Normally
I
wouldn't
get
up
to
address
comments,
but
given
the
nature
of
those
comments
and
the
ethical
implications
that
were
stated,
I
would
note
for
the
record
that
there
I
was
that
the
applicant
and
the
applicant's
family,
children
and
otherwise
my
son.
We
were
all
there
in
shorts
and
t-shirts
sitting
there,
letting
anyone
walk
the
property
so
to
be
very
clear
for
those
that
were
not
in
attendance.
This
was
a
very
informal
sitting
and
letting
people
walk
around
discussion.
There
were
notice.
There
were
no
substantive
discussions
with
the
board.
M
E
You
well
one
one
one
I,
just
because
it
was
a
gentleman
sir,
sir
one
second,
because
some
of
the
accusations
that
were
just
made
with
respect
to
the
members
of
the
board
and
cronyism
are
not
acceptable
to
me.
So
Jennifer,
if
you
don't
mind,
I'd,
like
you
to
address
that
from
legal
manner,
because
I've
been
sitting
in
this
chair
too
long
to
be
accused
of
that.
But
no,
no,
please
please,
please!
You
made
a
statement
I'd
like
to
address
it
I'll,
let
you
have
a
chance
all
right.
L
F
F
R
R
R
M
And
if
I
may,
the
board
does
not
have
any
financial
interest
in
this
application
that
app.
We
have
also
submitted
a
affidavit
with
our
application,
indicating
that
the
board
members
do
not
also
have
sorry
that
the
applicant
does
not
have
any
personal
or
or
or
relational
or
familial
relations
with
anyone
on
this
board,
which
is
part
of
the
application
part
of
the
record.
Thank
you,
sir.
I
Our
position,
which
is
against
the
applicant
I,
fear
that
the
that
Lauren
and
Gavin
misunderstand
us.
They
think
we're
from
squaresville
that
we're
very
unhip
and
uncool
and
we're
probably
right
for
the
early
bird
special
dinners.
Nothing
can
be
further
from
the
truth.
I'd
like
to
back
up
to
an
earlier
point
in
my
life,
so
that
perhaps
Gavin
and
Lauren
will
see
me
in
a
different
light.
In
1967
the
world
changed,
I
became
a
hippie,
yes
believe
it
or
not.
I
had
long
hair
I
walked
around
campus
with
a
painted.
I
Raincoat
I
was
poor,
so
my
shoes
got
holes,
I
wore
galoshes
over
them
even
on
dry
days.
I
was
a
theater
Miner
and
acted
in,
plays
and
wrote.
One
I
listened
to
music
all
the
time
as
one
and
was
one
of
the
few
students
who
had
his
own
stereo
in
his
dorm
I
played
Bongos
in
kugner,
with
congas
with
my
brother,
when
Dobby
came
out
with
the
stereo
cassette,
Bel
Air
I
bought
it
along
with
some
basic
components.
I
In
short,
music
made
my
day,
I
went
to
concerts
at
University
and
they
included
Richie
Havens
Chicago,
post
College,
I
went
to
Jones
Beach
to
watch,
shows
and
listen
to.
Music
I
saw
a
Stevie
Nicks
Bare
Naked
Ladies
and
Michael
McDonald,
among
others,
I'm,
not
Square.
The
list
goes
on
Fast
Forward.
When
my
three
kids
were
in
college.
We
did
a
generational
crossover
and
saw
Richie
Havens
three
times
at
the
Stephen
talk
house
and
I'm
against
it.
I
Some
four
years
ago
we
all
went
to
see
Mike
and
the
mechanics
my
default
group
at
a
theater
in
Manhattan.
All
of
those
venues
provided
or
had
easy
access
to
parking
will
Lodge
in
size
and
offered
several
Escape
Routes.
Should
an
incident
arise,
something
that
is
an
ever-growing
concern
today.
None
interfered
with
the
quiet
enjoyment,
rights
of
surrounding
residential
homes,
because
all
of
those
venues
were
situated
far
away
from
them.
I
The
same
is
true
of
buffaloes
and
I
mentioned
this
babeville,
the
colloquial
name
for
the
former
Church
converted
by
Annie
DeFranco
and
a
business
partner
into
a
multi-use
venue
that
includes
weddings
and
other
Affairs
and,
of
course,
music
concerts.
I
presented
this
to
this
board
photos
of
Bayville
and
its
surroundings,
but
my
time
was
cut
too
short,
so
I
was
unable
to
finish
my
words
about
its
virtues.
It
is
where
our
son
got
married
some
12
years
ago.
In
short,
Bayville
offers
a
very
large
venue
with
multiple
entrances.
I
Two
floors
for
entertainment
or
catering
parking
for
over
a
hundred
cars
enter
the
butts
Municipal
Lots
together,
offering
some
300
parking
spots.
It's
in
the
commercial
Zone
on
a
Major
Street
running
into
the
center
of
of
the
City
of
Buffalo,
with
a
stop
bus,
stop
right
at
Bayville,
it's
surrounded
by
offices
that
that
at
night
offer
additional
parking
and
there
are
either
reason
shops
right
there
too.
I
It
has
everything
that
prophecy
wishes
it
had,
but
doesn't
even
if
arguendo
babeville
is
the
gold
standard
for
such
conversions
and
there
is
room
for
something
of
less
equality
like
silver
or
Bronze.
In
my
view,
based
on
my
personal
experience,
prophecy
is
but
tin.
Thank
you,
nice
to
see
you
counselor.
S
Theresa
Kraft,
as
stated
by
the
previous
comment
at
last,
that
took
place
at
the
last
public
hearing
when
we
heard
one
of
the
applicants
pull
on
the
heartstrings
and
the
friendship
connections
with
some
board
members
I
believe
it
was
the
chair,
so
it
is
on
the
video,
but
we,
the
people,
can't
talk
about
our
feelings
about
this
project
or
how
it
will
affect
our
quality
of
life.
The
only
good
thing
that
has
come
out
of
this
awful
18-month
process
is
that
the
residents
from
Beacon
have
gotten
to
know
one
another.
S
Almost
two
years
in,
and
there
have
been
so
many
Lessons
Learned
From
This
one
project.
One
is
that
public
comments
and
concerns
basically
have
no
place
in
any
decision-making
process
in
our
city.
Regarding
a
project
that
will
affect
every
resident,
we
know
from
history.
Beacon
residents
are
resilient.
Today
we
need
our
City's
appointed
planning
board
to
work
for
all
the
residents
on
both
sides
of
this
fence
stated
over
and
over
it's
a
great
adaptive,
reuse
of
a
historic
building,
but
not
at
this
location,
no
matter
how
many
times
they
have
recalculated
their
numbers.
S
Beacon
needs
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
change
city
laws
and
building
codes
where
necessary,
because
there
are
so
they've
been
recently
revised
and
it's
not
working
voting.
No
is
the
only
option
to
stop
this.
Do
not
cave
in
stop
pushing
this
along,
do
not
Grant
a
special
use
permit
or
a
site
plan
approval
it's
time
for
another
building
moratorium.
Thank
you.
T
John
Bono
10,
Stratford
Avenue,
you
know,
I
was
watching
a
city
council
meeting
the
first
meeting
of
April
and
when
I
was
watching
the
meeting,
they
were
talking
about
the
parking
lot
for
the
Fire
Department
and
they
were
talking
about.
You
know
how
they
cut
down
trees,
they're
going
to
make
more
room
in
there
to
park
more
cars
in
there.
T
The
funny
thing
is
is
within
the
last
year,
listening
to
their
traffic
consultant
or
whoever
the
guy
is,
he
was
saying
there
could
park
72
cars
there
and
that's
before
any
changes
were
to
be
made
to
this
parking
lot.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
you
know?
This
is
just
another
thing.
You
know
it's
another
thing.
We
keep
changing
things.
The
story
keeps
changing.
T
Okay,
it
isn't
going
to
be
closing
at
8
30.,
it's
going
to
be
closing
at
10,
30
and
11
30.
You
know
it's
just
I,
don't
have
faith
in
what
you're
saying
you
know.
I
just
want
you
to
know
that,
and
as
far
as
the
the
prophecy
theater
I
think
the
hotel
has
to
be
built
before
the
prophecy
theater
can
open
up.
U
If
you
walk
that
property
you
you
can
clearly
see
there
is
it's:
there's
there's
14
employees,
so
you
have
a
60,
a
30
room,
Hotel,
so
we're
going
to
say
a
30-room
hotel.
That's
what
he's!
If
that's,
what
he's
allowed
to
build
I
give
him
that
credit
sets.
You
want
100
occupancy
the
film
correct
if
you're
in
the
hotel
business,
it's
that
60
people.
So
has
anybody
so
60
people,
then
you
have
150
people.
U
U
U
G
Densely
populated
urban
area,
heavily
traveled,
Urban
arterial,
that's
how
River,
Ridge
and
Walcott
Avenue
are
characterized
in
the
latest
noise
report
from
the
applicants
consultant,
while
that
is
how
an
ordinance
classifies
our
neighborhood,
it
is
hardly
reality.
A
couple
of
weeks
ago,
most
of
the
planning
board
toward
River
Ridge.
It
saw
a
quiet,
peaceful
development.
G
G
I
moved
to
Beacon
from
New
York
City
River
Ridge.
All
36
of
us
is
not
densely
populated.
Also
in
the
noise
report.
It
says
that
most
all
the
noise
issues
are
settled.
The
applicant
claims
that
the
Lofts
will
be
protected
by
the
hotel
building,
but
River
Ridge
throughout
the
entire
report
is
never
mentioned.
I
suppose
that
as
long
as
we
keep
our
windows
closed
and
we
don't
pay
attention
to
the
crowds,
we
should
all
be
happy
board
members.
G
L
E
B
L
D
V
I
I
had
a
lot
of
concerns
at
first
too,
when
I,
when
I
learned
about
the
project,
but
once
I
dug
into
what
what
they
have
planned.
I
I
respectfully
disagree.
They
have
addressed
these
concerns
very
succinctly.
They've
done
many.
Multiple
studies,
I
couldn't
live
any
closer.
It
is
in
my
backyard.
I
believe
that
these
are
people
that
live
in
our
community.
I
know.
They're
people
that
live
in
our
community
are
raising
their
families
here,
have
their
children
at
the
schools
that
we
all
go
to.
V
V
I
really
think
that
they
have
a
great
great
community
plan
and
an
entertainment
venue
that
I
think
we
can
all
enjoy
and
they've
made
a
plan
to
be
respectful
to
their
neighbors.
It
may
not
be
a
perfectly
quiet
and
completely
desolate
place.
That
is,
you
know,
currently
falling
into
despair,
but
what
I
think
they
are
offering
is
something
to
revitalize
these
neighborhoods
even
further
and
I
hope
that
what
their
planning
will
add
and
not
attract,
despite
it
not
being
perfectly
silent
and
that's
what
I
have
to
say
thanks
so
much
thank.
E
D
Hi
I'm
Shelly
Simmons
Bloom
of
the
view
collectively.
Our
community
is
repeatedly
expressed
its
concerns
over
this
past
year.
That
prophecy
theater
proposal
isn't
a
good
fit
for
our
residential
neighborhood.
For
reasons
of
noise,
disturbance,
safety
and
trespassing,
there
are
bars
and
event
spaces
on
Main
Street,
the
actual
business
district
that
have
been
shut
down
or
relocated
due
to
complaints
from
concerned
neighbors.
Why
would
anyone
believe
that
we
should
be
subject
to
a
district
business
district
suited
event
space
when
even
Main
Street
would
likely
not
tolerate
it?
D
Furthermore,
for
months
now,
we've
asked
the
same
questions
of
the
applicants
only
to
be
ghosted
by
them.
What
are
they
scared
of
if
they
have
a
strong
Vision,
as
they
say,
and
their
supporters
seem
to
know
what
that
vision
is,
but
we
really
don't,
it
may
be
in
their
interest
to
share
it
and
to
respond
to
our
straightforward
and
reasonable
questions,
or
perhaps
they
know
we
won't
like
their
answers,
or
perhaps
they
don't
have
answers.
D
Unfortunately,
at
this
stage,
our
capacity
for
trust
has
been
greatly
diminished
for
all
the
reasons
cited
in
the
various
letters
to
the
planning
board
this
month
and
in
Prior
months
at
the
very
least,
the
applicant
should
be
required
to
answer
our
questions
in
writing.
For
the
record
before
this
hearing
goes
any
further
and
I
was
happy
to
hear
that
that
was
agreed
to
tonight,
including
the
question
that
I
know
wasn't
addressed
tonight,
which
was
about
the
multiple
events
happening
on
weekends
or
full
days.
D
We're
not
a
small,
a
small
handful
of
privileged
newcomers,
we're
actually
a
collective
of
residents
who
live
in
very
close
proximity
to
the
proposed
event,
space,
we're
from
River
Ridge,
The,
View,
Hammond,
Plaza,
West,
End,
Lofts,
Stratford,
Avenue,
Bay,
View,
Avenue,
Beacon,
Street
and
others
we're
the
ones
whose
quality
of
life
will
be
most
negatively
impacted.
If
this
event
space
is
approved,
and
while
some
of
us
may
have
lived
here
less
than
five
years,
my
husband
and
I
included.
Many
of
us
here
tonight
have
lived
here
for
decades
and
in
some
cases,
their
whole
lifetime.
D
But
regardless
we're
United
in
our
concerns
at
the
prophecy
theater
project,
if
approved,
would
function
at
the
expense
of
our
quality
of
life
and
for
those
reasons,
I
feel.
This
project
should
not
be
granted
a
special
permit
because
it
just
doesn't
meet
the
conditions
required
for
approval
and
for
this
reason,
we'll
continue
to
challenge
this
proposal
in
its
current
form,
no
matter
how
long
it
takes.
Thank
you
very
much.
H
Betty
Wall,
eight
River,
Ridge,
Court
I,
know
that
the
applicant
and
his
handful
of
supporters
like
to
say
that
there
are
a
few
loud
detractors
from
this
project,
but
that
is
not
the
case.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
one
hundred
percent
of
the
18
Homes
at
River
Ridge
submitted
letters
of
concern
this
month
regarding
the
current
proposal,
that
is,
in
addition
to
the
350
petition
signatures
that
were
collected
and
all
the
other
letters
and
personal
statements
of
concern
that
you
have
received
from
nearby
community
members,
since
this
application
has
become
open
to
public
response.
H
If
this
proposal
had
been
presented
before
the
four
surrounding
residential
developments
that
the
planning
board
approved
or
built,
perhaps
this
proposal
could
have
gone
through
or
if
the
applicant
was
asking
for
a
small
hotel
and
cafe
with
limited
Conference
Center
use
for
its
guests.
I
could
see
the
planning
board
approving
that
with
certain
stipulations.
L
H
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
we
did
not
say
that
we
don't
want
that.
We
didn't.
We
don't
want
that
particular
fence.
There
needs
to
be
something
done
for
noise
for
River
Ridge,
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
about
West
End
Lofts,
but
we
are
completely
exposed.
We
share
a
front
lawn.
Many
of
our
houses
share
a
front
lawn.
You
all
saw
that
and
we
are
going
to
suffer
the
consequences
if
this
is
approved.
So.
L
W
Good
evening
Jane
Riley
Stratford,
Avenue
I,
don't
have
anything
prepared.
I
was
just
listening
to
this
evening,
so
I've
been
here
many
times
and
I
appreciate
the
work
that's
been
done
by
the
applicant
and
your
attorney
and
your
your
support
team.
But
for
me
it
just
doesn't
change.
It
doesn't
fit
neighborhood's
too
small
residential.
W
X
X
X
We
know
that
negotiations,
you
don't
start
out
with
what
you
want.
You
start
out
with
something
high
and
you
come
down
and
you
hopefully
will
get
a
win-win
or
something
near
that.
So
the
implication
that
we
may
not
understand
negotiations
is
is
not
so
your
life
versus
a
corporate
spreadsheet
or
an
incorporated
spreadsheet
it's
hard
to
balance
at
and
as
it
stands
right
now
as
described
in
by
the
applicant,
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
fit.
X
That's
graduating
a
child,
that's
studying
for
exams
all
these
things
that
May
exude
from
the
proposed
venue
can
have
an
impact
right
now
it
doesn't
fit
the
residential
community
and
just
for
the
record,
as
was
mentioned
by
one
of
the
other
speakers.
Had
this
been
14
years
ago
or
prior
to
all
of
the
developments
being
built,
it
may
have
been,
it
may
have
seemed
more
palatable
to
the
residents
that
lived
there.
X
Well,
I'm
one
of
the
residents,
that's
been
there
for
over
25
years
or
over
20
years,
and
each
of
these
developments
have
been
built
since
I've
moved
to
Hammond
Plaza.
One
of
the
things
is
in
coming
to
the
planning
board
and
in
talking
within
our
community,
we
felt
like
we
were
heard.
Did
we
get
everything
we
wanted?
No,
but
it
seems
that
we
were
heard
our
suggestions.
Our
concerns
were
taken
into
consideration
as
it
stands
now
our
community
has
changed
significantly.
Take
Weston
Lofts
out.
X
X
X
X
X
L
X
You're
hearing
is
from
my
heart
and
it's
not
just
because
I've
grew
up
in
Beacon
and
you
know
I'm
vegan,
it's
it's
because
I'm
trying
to
be
unbiased
and
see
what
the
applicant's
point
of
view
is
as
well
as
base
it
on
mine.
So
yes,
I'm
a
little
skewed
because
corporate
versus
personal
and
trying
not
to
keep
make
it
personal
is
a
little
challenging.
X
E
I
would
like
something
that's
really
interesting,
I'm
going
to
actually
do
two
things.
One
go
back
to
noise
consultant
because
there
were
some
things
that
have
been
changed
that
you
may
not
be
aware
of,
but
something
else
that
I
think
that
we
as
a
community
need
to
do,
and
that
is
to
really
have
a
session
collectively
with
the
applicant
in
a
way.
E
So
we
can
make
sure
all
the
concerns
are
addressed
in
a
manner
that
lets
everyone
understand
the
balance,
because
we
are
trying
to
find
a
balance
here
respectively
to
everybody
and
everything
you
say
believe
me.
We
hear
everything
from
the
applicant
as
well
as
from
our
fellow
Beacon
nights,
so
I'm
gonna
go
to
the
noise
consultant
first
and
then
I'm
going
to
go
around
the
board
and
I
want
to
really
talk
about
how
we
can
kind
of
level
set
in
an
environment
that
allows
everyone's
voice
to
be
respected.
E
First,
to
understand
exactly
what's
happening
and
make
sure
whatever
questions
are
left
open.
We
can
figure
out
a
way
to
address.
So,
if
you
don't
mind,
let's
go
to
our
noise
consultant
first
to
address.
Are
you
there?
Yes,
I
am
okay,
I
appreciate
it
and
Taylor
I'll
come
back
to
you
in
a
second
okay.
L
E
C
C
Q
So,
first
of
all
the
sound
generated
inside
the
facility,
the
sound
level
measurements
were
taken
that
demonstrated
that
it
was
likely
compliant
with
the
permissible
sound
level
limits.
However,
that
the
the
the
base
I'm
presuming
that
was
audible
within
the
rectory
I
think
was
where
they
did.
The
initial
analysis,
that
was
those
were
the
first
Consultants
hired
Beacon
AV.
Q
They,
it
was
recommended
at
the
time
that
Windows
acoustical
paint
panels
be
added
to
the
windows
of
the
charge
itself
to
the
interior.
That
is
a
strategy
and
acoustical
remediation
strategy
that
that
we
have
used
it.
It
is
a
having
a
second
pane
of
of
acoustical
glass
interior
air
gapped
properly
and
there's
a
calculation
for
that
that
that
that
that
is,
an
effective
strategy
for
reducing
base,
in
particular
I've
seen
it
work
a
number
of
times
the
next.
Q
It
was
clarified
that
no
there
is
a
vestibule
and
that
that
is
a
significant
attenuation
Factor,
that
the
sound
would
have
to
go
through
two
open
doors
or
through
an
aperture
into
a
large
space
and
then
through
another
aperture
out
into
the
open
space
into
the
street,
the
doors
that
are
on
either
side
to
the
north
and
to
the
South.
Those
are
ancillary
doors
that
are
accessed
through
smaller
rooms.
Q
Again
it's
unlike
that
that
significant
amounts
of
sound
will
come
out.
There
was
a
long
question
about
the
sound
about
whether
or
not
there
would
be
sound
coming
out
of
the,
but
the
doors
could
be
propped
open
on
the
balcony.
That's
going
to
that's
going
to
be
constructed
in
the
back.
That
was
represented
that
that's
an
automatic
door
that
opens
and
closes
that
it
was
not
going
to
be
a
propped
open
for
any
period
of
time.
Q
Q
We
then
wanted
to
look
at
what
the
sound
transmission
would
be
to
the
South
to
to
River
Ridge.
It
was
stated
that
there
were
some
openings
in
that
wall
of
the
proposed
new
wall
that
might
have
trellising.
It
was
not
clear
as
to
whether
or
not
that
those
were
sealed
or
not.
It
was
clarified
that
those
were
were
to
be
sealed
or
were
originally
supposed
to
be
sealed.
Q
Q
Q
It's
it's
an
even
greater
distance
to
the
to
the
residents
in
at
the
at
The
Lofts.
There
was
a
question
about
Now
understand
that
once
those
that's
a
regulatory
issue,
there
is
the
you
know
the
the
secret
issue
of
you
know
what
happens
off-site
that
that
has
not
been
analyzed
when
these
people
walk
out
into
the
community
and
they're
talking
through
the
neighborhoods.
That's
another
issue,
there's
been
no
specific
analysis
of
that.
Q
It
would
be
a
difficult
analysis
to
conduct.
You
would
have
to
do.
You'd
have
to
determine
what
are
the
current
levels
at
those
locations
and
what
would
be
the
transient
additional
sound
levels
of
you
know.
You
have
to
make
some
significant
assumptions
about
the
number
of
people
passing
a
given
point
at
any
given
time
and
at
what
level
of
vocal
effort
they
are
exerting
at
that
time.
Q
Q
Q
The
other
properties
were
not
considered
because
they
are
more
distant.
You
know
it's
a
common
practice
and
acoustical
Consulting
to
to
do
calculations
to
the
closest
potential
sensitized
receptor
and
then,
if,
if
that
ends
up
being,
if
that
ends
up
exceeding
whatever
objective
standards
of
impact
you're.
Looking
at,
you
might
then
see
what
is
the
total
zone
of
impact
and
see?
What's
the
next
farthest
property,
the
next
farthest
property
and
see
what
the
total
zone
of
impact
is
the
radius
of
impact.
Q
But,
on
the
other
hand,
if
you
find
that
there
that
that
the
impact
does
not
exceed
what
the
standards
are
at
the
closest
receptor,
then
there
is
no
particular
reason
to
to
go
to
a
more
distant
receptor.
It's
not
that
those
would
properties
were
not
considered.
That
was
the
criteria
by
which
that
an
additional
analyzes
was
determined
not
to
be
necessary.
Q
Error
handling
on
the
roof
was
looked
at,
of
the
hope
of
the
of
the
Hotel
was
suggested
and
accepted
by
the
applicant
that
all
rooftop
equipment
be
surrounded
by
acoustical
barriers
that
have
extend
a
foot
above
the
height
of
it,
so
that
it
would
would
Shield
anybody
at
the
ground
level
from
from
The
Sound
emissions.
They
accepted
that
suggestion.
Q
Q
Q
That
being
said,
though,
vehicles
that
are
currently
traversing
on
that
site
are
doing
it
with
no
remediation
and
any
other
potential
use
of
that
site
could
also
have
vehicles
that
are
emitting
at
the
same
sound
levels.
That's
part
of
what
a
special
permit
involves
is
it's
my
understanding.
Look
I'm,
not
a
lawyer.
I,
don't
play
one
on
TV,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
it's
a
is
another
use
of
this
site
that
is
permitted.
Would
it
be
substantially
more
impactful?
Q
E
Appreciate
it,
thank
you
very
much
hopefully
to
the
public.
All
these.
These
things
are
available
for
you
to
see,
but
I'm
going
to
try
to
take
it
a
step
further
for
everybody
in
a
second,
so
I
want
to
go
around
the
board.
If
you
don't
mind,
ask
everyone
to
be
very
brief
and
specific,
because
I
think
we're
going
to
I'm
going
to
ask
a
question
of
the
board
members
with
respect
to
this
applicant,
but
let's
go
around
the
board.
If
we
don't
mind,
please
start
there.
B
J
It's
been
a
long,
a
long
journey
with
this
project,
and
it's
evolved
and
I
still
have
concerns,
and
my
concerns
are
pretty
much
reflect
what
the
public
has
put
into
the
record
of
of
the
environmental
impacts
that
would
have
changed
their
lives
that
would
reduce
their
appreciation
and
enjoyment
of
their
of
their
homes,
their
homeowners.
There
one
thing
that
I,
when
this
area
was
rezoned,
it
was
rezoned
as
a
residential
area
and
the
it
was
not
zoned.
This
lot
particularly,
was
not
zoned
as
a
place
of
assembly.
J
M
If
I
may,
this
is
a
specially
permanent
use,
which
means
that
it's
a
it's,
it's
tantamount
to
a
permitted
use
that
meets
the
criteria
of
the
special
moment,
the
highest
Courtney
or
court
of
appeals
case
we've
submitted
in
our
record.
It's
part
of
our
application.
I,
don't
I
won't
go
any
further,
but
it's
a
permitted
use
on
the
property
and
it's
also
been
determined
by
the
building
department
to
be
a
permitted
use,
specifically
the
conference
center
and
event
space.
So
there
are
permitted
uses
on
the
property
period.
F
E
F
J
Which
permitted
use
is
a
hotel
with
an
accessory
use
as
a
as
the
assembly
space.
Yes,
what
everybody's
talking
about
right
is
the
church
right.
That
is,
that
is
the
main
concern
right
and-
and
that
also
is
the
the
main
I
think
it's
the
main
reason
why
this
project
is
going
forward
right
as
it
is,
it's
business
intent
its
intent
as
a
and
I
think
what
what's
happened
is
that
there's
been
a
series
of
accommodations
to
make.
This
happen
right
that
have
progressively.
J
Address
the
impacts
in
a
gradual
way,
it's
taken
a
very
long
time
right,
but
I
I
I'm,
just
saying
that
this
project
deserves
a
high
level
of
scrutiny
because
of
its
impacts
in
its
neighborhood
and
the
the
the
I.
Don't
feel
that
a
major
which
it
is
you're
not
proposing
what
was
originally
done,
but
I
think
it
might
be
difficult
to
in
the
end,
avoid
is
becoming
a
a
larger
project
for
a
number
of
reasons
and
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
that
very
closely.
If.
E
Republic
we
hear
you
right
what
would
make
this
process
easier?
Is
not
what
you're
doing
now,
because
we
understand
the
passion
but
there's
a
process
we
have
to
follow,
but
he
is
resp.
He's
allowed
that
he's
allowed
to
respond,
as
chairman
I
can
control
that
order
for
a
specific
reason,
if
you
bear
with
me,
I
think
you'll
understand
what
I
get
to
at
the
end.
I
think
will
help
everybody
find
a
balance.
Thank.
M
You
action
chairman
just
for
the
benefit
of
the
board.
Members
that
are
have
not
been
a
part
of
this
project
to
the
purpose
of
this
use
is
to
adaptively
reuse,
a
church.
The
idea
is
to
preserve
that
church
to
restore
a
cemetery
that
has
been
left
on
touched.
There
are
there's
a
component
of
this.
It's
an
accessory
use.
The
building
department
has
made
a
determination
that
that
use
is
permitted
on
the
site,
the
conference
and
event
space
that
that
issue
is
not
in
question.
That's
not
before
this
board
the
use
permitted.
M
The
applicant
is
trying
to
do
something
in
that
space.
They
wanted
to
do
it
at
the
size
and
scale
that
was
permitted
for
the
existing
Church,
which
is
over
300
persons.
The
applicant
has
reduced
the
days.
There
are
no
app.
There
are
no
events
where
conferences,
Monday,
Tuesdays
or
Wednesdays
Wednesdays
at
the
site.
They
are
only
Thursdays
Fridays,
Saturday,
Sundays,
holidays
and
holiday
Eaves,
which
are
even
further
limited.
The
total
number
of
people
have
been
limited
to
150,
maximum
on
Friday,
Saturday,
Sundays,
holidays
and
event.
M
Eaves
and
130
on
Thursdays
we've
reduced
those
hours
to
a
maximum
hour
of
8
30
pm
and
7
30
pm
on
respective
days.
We've
we've
controlled
those
hours.
We
can't
do
things
outside
of
those
hours,
so
the
mitigation
I
think
I
wish
Elliot
was
here
because
I
would
say
you
know
Bare
Naked,
Ladies,
request.
I,
guess
I
got
to
go
to
a
concert
with
him,
but
it's
all
been
done,
but
it's
all
been
done
for
the
benefit
of
the
neighborhood.
So
one
week
it's
another
bare
nucleus.
M
So
effectively
we're
we're
and
I
and
I
know
Kevin.
You
mentioned
that
so
we're
we're
these
mitigation
measures
are
part
of
the
secret
consideration
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
clear
that
that
church
needs
to
be
used
for
something
or
it
would
be
raised.
So
the
goal
of
this
law
is
to
encourage
maintaining
these
existing
historic
structures.
Two
things
you.
J
Said
you
said:
you've
specifically
said
that
the
intent
of
this
project
was
to
renovate
the
building
and
preserve
the
cemetery.
There's
no
work,
that's
being
proposed
for
the
cemetery
that
I
know
of
on
any
of
these
plants
and
there's
only
interior
restoration
work
you're,
not
showing
like
shingle
restoration
or
anything
like
that.
So
that
kind
of
thing
I
mean
that
is,
that
is
the
long-term
intent.
But
I
would
just
keep
it
to
exactly
what
you're
proposing
I.
M
Think
understood
and
I
will
add
one
caveat.
Actually
I
will
close
my
mouth,
but
just
again
for
new
members
of
the
board,
the
state
historic
preservation
office
that
reviews
applications
and
their
consistency.
First
potential
impacts.
The
historic
resources
of
which
this
church
building
is
have
identified,
that
this
project
will
not
have
an
impact
on
the
historic
character
of
the
Church
of
the
property.
J
E
C
Me
just
really
the
really
quick,
the
only
thing
I
wanted.
There
are
two
really
quick
things
just
to
put
a
complete
closure
on
what
our
noise
consultant
was
saying.
The
northern
driveway,
which
seems
to
be
the
last
open
issue,
I,
think
our
nose
consultant
just
said
that
these
kind
of
you
know
delivery
trucks
could
exceed
the
55
decibels
of
the
property
line.
But
does
our
noise
consultant
agree
with
the
application
of
that
HUD
Criterion
to
the
interior
of
those
residences
such
that,
while
it
would
exceed
the
55
decibels?
It's
not
adversely
impacting
the
residents.
D
C
Q
Well,
actually,
let
me
back
up
for
just
a
second
and
say
that
the
HUD
standard
is
based
on
an
LDN
which
is
a
day
night
sound
level,
and
that
applies
a
10
decibel
penalty
for
noises
that
occur
in
the
evening.
So
the
statement
that
I
made
was
that
you
know
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
that
it
would
meet
the
daytime
limits.
But
if
there
was
any
significant
traffic
on
that
site,
I
think
it's
at
10
o'clock
I
think
is.
C
C
And
then
the
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
was
that
I
was
I,
wanted
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
environmental
assessment
form
that
was
submitted
back
in
July
2021
and
it's
no
longer
relevant
some
of
the
conditions.
Can
we
get
that
updated
and
feel
free
to
attach
some
narrative?
Maybe
that
goes
beyond
the
space.
That's
on
the
you
know
the
two
lines
that
are
a
lot.
If
it's
all
those
questions
to
tie
things
into
the
the
proposed
operational
plans
and
absolutely.
M
P
Z
L
Z
Just
seems
like
an
I
didn't
even
know,
Albatross
or
something
it's
just
this
huge
thing
that
keeps
evolving
and
growing
into
something
else,
and
partners
changing,
and
it's
just
it's
just
really
confusing
and
I
understand
what
the
people
in
the
area
are
are
afraid
of.
You
know
and
that
Everything's
Gonna
Change,
but
things
change.
That's
you
know.
Life
is
like
that,
but
this
is
going
to
be
a
huge
impact
on
a
relatively
quiet
area,
so
I'm
not
sure
where
that
fits
in
like
what
do
we
have
to
say
about
it?
So.
E
Not
to
get
to
that
point
all
right,
I'm
I'm,
going
I'm
going
to
try
to
find
a
balance
here
right
and
try
to
do
that
sometimes
bear
with
me
thanks
everybody
for
the
patience
board.
Members
I
would
like
to
just
go
around
the
board.
I
need
a
yes
or
no
I
propose.
We
have
a
open
working
session
at
the
next
planning
board
meeting.
That
starts
at
seven
o'clock
respectively,
where
the
applicant
comes
in
and
presents
from
nuts
to
bolt
everything
with
respect
to
how
this
place
will
operate
just
laid
out.
E
So
we
can
get
all
those
things
off
the
table
and
we
can
understand
and
the
public
and
understand
what
that
is,
and
what
what
how
this
will
work
within
the
community.
I
would
also
say
at
that
time.
It'll
during
our
work
in
session
public.
Please
bear
with
me
I'm
going
to
have
it
the
comments
closed
to
the
public,
but
you
will
have
a
time
to
respond
after
we
get
to
the
working
session,
because
I
think
what
that
will
do
is
take
whatever
unrespectively
and
I
don't
mean
as
a
negative
to
either
side.
E
If
there
are
any
ambiguities.
Inside
of
this
or
any
questions
of
just
summations,
we
should
be
able
to
get
to
a
point
and
from
that
balance,
I
think
we
can
move
forward
from
that
balance,
because
we
hear
everybody,
there
are
specific
things
that
they
have
rights
to
do
and
to
a
board
member
David's
comment.
If
this
was
a
situation
where
someone
who
came
in
with
respect
to
that
church
usage,
we
would
have
less
the
ability
to
have
these
kind
of
comments.
E
So
that's
what
I
would
like
to
propose
to
the
board
that
we
do
that
in
the
next
and
John
may
want
to
kill
me,
but
in
the
next
our
next
planning
board
meeting
you
be
prepared
to
present
everything
as
if,
though,
we
were
as
if,
though
I
was
a
kindergartner
and
walk
through
the
process.
If
there
are
questions
that
the
public
has
with
respect
to
that
hold
them
until
we
get
through
it.
Hopefully
this
will
let
us
get
out
of
the
shadows
and
have
an
understanding
of
how
this
can
work.
Is
that
fair
one?
E
E
F
E
W
W
L
W
Here
and
trying
to
figure
it
out,
it
doesn't
work.
You
got
to
be
up
in
front
staying
in
front
of
everybody
saying
this
is
what
we're
proposing.
This
is
what
we've
done
and
there's
been
accommodations
made
and
you've
had
these
mitigating
factors,
which
is
very
nice,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
looking
at
this
project
and
we're
saying:
does
it
fit
this
neighborhood
not
from
what
we
could
do
not
from
where
we've
been
and
where
we've
come
down
to
is
what
you're
proposing
today
fit
this.
L
W
L
E
F
L
F
E
H
I
think
it's
important
that
Betty
Wall
ate
River
Ridge
we're
talking
about
a
special
permit
at
this
point
and
we're
talking
about
not
ordinances
but
impact
on
our
community,
and
that
is
one
of
the
criteria
for
you
issuing
a
special
permit.
This
is
going
to
have
an
impact
and
I'm
not
as
worried
about
the
sound
coming
from
the
church
as
I'm
worried
about
people
leaving
your
event
space
and
coming
onto
River,
ridges
property
being
on
the
borderline
coming
into
our
actual
development.
There
is
no
mechanism
to
stop
that.
It's
never
been
discussed.
H
It's
never
been,
there's
no
plan
for
that
and
and
we're
just
vulnerable.
We
have
residents
Caroline
just
sitting
back
there.
She
literally
shares
a
front
lawn
with
this
venue,
as
well
as
six
other
units
and
I
think
the
consultant
said:
I
mean
he's
talking
about
an
ordinance,
but
once
somebody
is
off
their
property
and
they
can't
stop
somebody
from
coming
onto
our
property.
They
can't
control
the
noise.
C
Can
we
is
this
Jennifer?
Is
it
something?
Could
you
like
in
a
nutshell,
maybe
just
outline
like
we
have
these
steps
to
go
through
for
the
secret
process
and
then,
if,
if
we
get
to
the
special
use,
permit
development,
then
there's
an
opportunity
to
create
conditions,
and
then
there's
also
this
issue
of
like
what
happens
if
people
behave
illegally,
like
they
trespass
or
do
things
and
how
and
I
don't
know
that
you
know
those
are
things
that
are
ever
contemplated
being
controlled
by
our
actions.
Right
I
mean
it's.
D
W
F
Has
been
ongoing
for
a
number
of
months
since
the
application
was
was
first
submitted
as
part
of
the
secret
process
for
this
unlisted
action.
Your
charge
is
to
make
it
the
determination
of
significance,
meaning
a
determination
of
whether
the
project
may
have
a
significant
adverse
environmental
impact.
F
If
that's
the
case,
you
would
issue
a
positive
declaration
which
triggers
the
preparation
of
environmental
impact
statement
and,
ultimately
a
finding
statement.
The
alternative
is
a
determination
that,
based
on
what
the
applicant
has
proposed,
the
quote
unquote
proposed
action,
which
includes
all
of
the
mitigation
measures
that
we've
heard
about
whether
that
will
not
result
in
any
significant
adverse
environmental
impact,
State
environmental
impacts.
If
that's
the
case,
you
issue
a
negative
declaration
once
secret
is
complete.
That
paves
the
way
for
you
to
make
a
final
decision
on
the
actual
underlying
application.
F
That's
before
you,
which
is
for
a
special
permit
and
site
plan,
approval,
the
special
permits
for
the
hotel
use
with
the
accessory
Conference
Center
event
space
in
the
church
and
then
there's
the
site
plan.
The
special
use
permit
has,
with
it
a
number
of
Standards
set
forth
in
the
zoning
code.
Those
there's
General
standards
and
specific
standards
that
the
applicant
has
to
meet
in
order
for
you
to
issue
that
special
use
permit
in
issuing
a
special
use,
permit
and
site
plan.
As
with
all
of
your
resolutions,
you
have
conditions
of
approval.
F
I
would
anticipate
that
in
this
particular
resolution
there
would
be
many
conditions
of
approval
regulating
the
hours
of
operation.
You
know
noise,
all
of
the
operational
issues
that
we've
heard
from
the
applicant
on
the
the
parking
management
plan,
all
of
those
things,
the
signage
Etc.
All
of
those
would
be
conditions
of
approval
included
in
that
we've
discussed
this
at
prior
meetings
that
we
can
also
have
a
mechanism
whereby
the
applicant
has
to
report
back
to
the
planning
board
periodically
to
to
verify
that
they
are
comply.
F
They
are
continuing
to
comply
with
all
the
conditions
of
approval
and
continuing
to
meet
all
of
the
special
permit
standards
beyond
that
it
becomes
an
Enforcement
issue
for
the
building
department,
so
for
or
even
the
police
department.
So,
for
example,
if
there
is
noise
being
generated
from
the
property
that
goes
beyond
the
code
limits
at
say,
11
o'clock
at
night,
12
o'clock
at
night,
a
resident
could
call
the
police
department,
because
at
that
time
the
building
Department's
closed,
Bruce
is
back
at
home.
F
Call
the
police
department
and
the
police
will
respond
and
there'll
be
a
report.
You
know
a
report
made
that
a
complaint
was
issued
and
the
building
department
can
follow
up
verify
whether
there's
you
know
anything
actionable
there.
Ultimately,
violations
can
be
issued.
Violations
are
returnable
in
the
City
Justice
Court
in
the
city
court,
their
their
criminal
violations
governed
by
the
penal
law
and
those
are
violations
of
our
code
and
of
resolutions
of
approval.
So
there's
a
a
whole
series
of
of
of
steps,
starting
with
tonight.
M
If
I
Had,
a
Million
Dollars
with
that
I.
Don't
think,
there's
anything
else
with
our
presentation
tonight.
We
certainly
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
you
at
a
work
session.
We
will
try
and
synthesize
that
information
in
this
supplemental
submission
similar
to
Mr
Warner's
suggestion
of
the
eaf
narrative
related
to
the
noise
mitigation,
but
we'll
sort
of
shrink
that
into
what
the
current
proposal
is.
M
Not
you
all
know
where
it
came
from
and
where,
where
we
brought
it
down
to,
but
to
help
sort
of
frame
that
discussion
and
the
board
might
consider,
and
certainly
you're
just
your
discussion
with
your
Council,
some
type
of
Seeker
consideration.
You
know
details
to
kind
of
be
considered
at
the
next
meeting,
so
we
can
go
through
those
factors
with
you
all
from
the
eaf
part,
two
that
explain
the
different,
whether
it's
Community
character,
noise,
sound.
You
know
all
the
things
that
are
considered
in
that
neck
deck.
M
C
E
E
If
you
hear
me
the
reason,
I'm
I've
requested
us
doing
this
in
an
open
working
session,
as
their
counselor
told
you
normally,
we
don't
have
them
open
where
the
public
can
be
participant.
I
want
us
us,
because
I'm,
a
member
of
the
community
as
well
to
be
able
to
hear
and
see
this
prepare
our
questions
specifically
to
where
the
gaps
are,
which
will
allow
us
to
look
at
this
with
all
the
pieces
and
understand
those
elements
that
need
to
be
super
protected.
With
respect
to.
B
J
C
B
X
E
E
E
I'm,
just
trying
to
understand
get
a
process
that
we
can
go
through,
because
it
seems
that
there
are
a
lot
of
the
elements
of
what
they're
doing
that
pretty
much.
The
public
is
pretty
much
aware
of
I,
think
they're
hot
points
and
I
think
we
need
to
address
those
respective
hot
points.
If
something
comes
up
absolutely,
if
it's
something
looks
different,
then
I
don't
mind
that.
X
E
E
E
E
A
M
E
P
M
Thank
you,
chairman
Taylor
Palmer,
with
cutting
fader
on
behalf
of
the
applicant.
As
the
chairman
stated,
we
are
before
you
for
our
site
plan
public
hearing
for
a
three-story
commercial
development
at
536,
Main
Street.
We
did
for
the
record
notice
the
public
hearing
utilizing
the
signage
of
the
mailings.
The
publication
requirements
the
zoning
code.
This
is
our
first
hearing,
so
I
am
going
to
give
just
a
quick
synopsis
for
those
in
the
public
that
may
not
have
heard
this
presentation
of
new
members
of
the
board.
M
So
the
northeast
corner
of
the
site
about
the
city's
21
Space
parking
lot,
Main
Street
for
Plank,
and
it's
just
south
of
mosingas.
As
the
board
is
aware,
the
surrounding
area
includes
commercial
residential,
mixed
uses,
Apartments,
restaurants,
personal
services
establishments,
hotels
and
events,
spaces
and
other
retail
uses.
The
applicants
are
proposing
to
construct
the
dimensionally
conforming
zoning
compliant
11,
272,
Square
usable
square
foot.
Building
Rea
will
show
briefly
the
visuals
which
are
on
the
screen
before
you
and
go
through
the
renderings
again.
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
three-story
commercial.
M
No
residential
is
proposed
in
this
application.
It
is
going
to
host
the
retail
showroom
for
warp
and
weft
a
custom
designed
rug,
curation,
business
warp
and
web
offers
high
quality
internationally
sourced
rugs
inspired
by
vegans
artist.
Community
we're
proposing
an
architectural
space
where
the
company's
rugs
can
be
viewed
and
experienced
more
fully
through
the
facade
designs.
We
again
as
a
commercial
development
it
will
mesh
with
the
fabric
of
the
existing
build
environment
around
this
property
site.
M
We
would
note,
of
course,
the
project
is
not
a
four-story
proposal.
It's
not
permitted
to
be,
but
we've
Incorporated
elements
that
you
would
otherwise
be
required
to
do.
If
you
did
propose
such
a
a
project.
To
that
effect,
we
have
a
a
great
Landscaping
program
again
using
Deborah
adamson's.
You
know
our
designer's
been
communication.
Mr
Clark
was
here.
He
would
note
that
we
were
there
meeting
with
the
city's
tree
advisory
committee
and
they
have
since
signed
off
on
our
reduced.
M
M
Procedurally,
we
are
seeking
only
site
plan.
Approval
does
not
require
any
variances
for
the
application
and
we
do
not
require
city
council
review.
It's
a
planning
board
specific
review.
The
ARB
subcommittee
seen
this
twice:
first,
the
March
3rd
and
then
again,
April
28th
and
provided
you
with
a
favorable
recommendation
for
the
application
and
Arya
will
briefly
review
those
for
the
board.
A
You
know
we
have
updated
renderings.
We
have
a
new
coordinates
design
which
was
sort
of
one
of
the
main
sticking
points
you
can
see
it
in
this
rendering,
but
otherwise
it
sort
of
based
on
a
typical
Main,
Street
Building.
The
windows
are,
you
know,
have
a
more
modern
detail,
but
it's
sort
of
a
similar
scale,
similar
layout
to
existing
buildings,
same
with
the
storefront
that
we're
approaching
in
a
more
modern
way,
but
it
it
basically
lines
up
with
storefronts
on
Main
Street
and
then
from
what
I
understand.
A
The
ARB
subcommittee
was
satisfied
with
the
you
know
this
latest
rendering
of
it
and
is
going
to
be
recommending
approval
to
the
full
Board
of
the
facade
design
that
there's
a
a
question
that
came
up
because
we
have
on
on
the
right
side
of
the
building
that
you're
looking
at
now.
Those
four
Windows
we're
going
to
have
to
work
with
Bruce
to
make
sure
that
those
are
compliant
because
they
are
on
the
lot
line.
So
we'll
we'll
work
out
the
detail
for
that.
We'll
make
sure
that
it's
a.
A
Y
M
AA
AA
Good
evening,
everyone
Carlito
Holt,
with
DTS
Provident.
We
prepared
a
traffic
and
parking
assessment
that
was
dated
revised
through
March
31st
2023,
which
had
Incorporated
any
comments
from
the
planner
and
the
city's
traffic
consultant.
Findings
found
that
it's
a
very
nominal
traffic
generator.
It
wouldn't
even
be
noticeable
as
far
as
the
amount
of
additional
traffic
you
would
see
on
the
roadway,
and
then
we
also
did
a
parking
assessment
to
determine
whether
there
was
adequate
parking
within
the
800
foot
radius
to
support
the
parking
demand
based
upon
operational
information
provided
by
the
client.
AA
It's
not
anticipated
that
there
would
ever
be
a
need
for
more
than
nine
parking
spaces
and
the
parking
assessment
found
during
peak
times.
There
was
99
spaces
available
in
the
area
surrounding
the
proposed
project
and
I
believe
the
board
actually
was
it
a
form
of
Hope,
but
they
did
take
favorable
action
towards
approving
the
waiver
that
is
allowed
under
the
zoning
District.
S
When
are
you
going
to
stop
giving
these
waivers
for
parking?
That
is
a
very
busy
section
in
that
Main
Street
area,
and
if
you
look
at
the
picture
and
there's
no
parking
striped
out
right
in
front
of
that
building
rugs
as
far
as
I
know
come
in
big
trucks,
and
this
is
a
design
studio
of
rugs.
So
that
will
be
multiple
deliveries
of
whatever's
up
and
coming
for
this
showroom.
So
I'd
like
to
talk
about
the
elephant
in
the
room
and
putting
up
a
steel
I-beam
is
not
anything
that
is
of
any
architectural
design.
S
Detail
kind
of
looks
like
the
flat
one
on
the
other
end
of
town
like
I
said.
This
is
one
of
the
busiest
intersections
on
Main
Street
we're
talking
about
school
crossing
coming
and
going
every
day
coming
down.
Verplank
Avenue,
it's
extremely
busy
I'm,
not
sure
and
I've
read
all
those
letters
that
were
submitted
to
the
application
about
those
poor
people
that
will
lose
any
light
into
those
apartments
that
live
next
door.
S
I
think
the
foundation
of
all
planning
and
design
in
our
city
is
to
make
it
easy
to
drive
swiftly
from
one
end
of
Maine
to
the
other,
regardless
of
what
hour
of
day
and
most
people
do
want
to
park
close
to
the
destination.
So
I
see
the
delivery
trucks
there
and
everyone
knows
that
the
seasons
change.
So
will
those
new
rug,
samples
and
there's
no
public
gain
for
this
project.
It's
all
about
the
person
who
owns
that
building
in
any
real
great
City.
The
beauty
is
in
the
architecture
and
I.
S
Just
don't
see
much
in
here,
and
the
public
space
is
a
prime
part
of
what
keeps
us
interested
down
there.
It's
it's
I,
don't
know
that
we
have
to
fill
every
section
with
these
cookie
cutter
buildings.
I
just
hope
it
and
I
heard
him
say
that
he
doesn't
need
any
special
anything.
So
it's
pretty
much
probably
a
done
deal.
Thank
you.
Thank.
J
Yeah
this
this
application
was
from
a
client,
the
business
is
doing
modern
design,
carpets
and
they,
the
owner,
has
a
particular
affection
for
the
idea
and
that
type
of
mineral
was
dark.
So
one
of
the
things
he
wanted
to
do
was
not
imitate
the
traditional
style
but
work
within
the
material
and
and
proportions
and
layout
to
make
a
minimalist
facade
that
still
worked
with
it.
I
was
very
personally
very
happy
that
that
was
I
thought
after
apparently,
several
iterations.
It
didn't
work
at
first
and
now.
J
I
thought
that
it
was
actually
a
really
good
design.
In
my
opinion,
it
had
a
lot
of
these.
Things
have
to
do
with
materials
and
as
far
as
the
the
good
thing
is
that
both
the
client
and
I
thought
the
board
was
very
happy
with
the
result.
The
bad
thing
is
that
now
ra
has
shown
that
he
can
do
this
kind
of
work
and
his
expectations
are
raised.
E
P
M
C
Man
just
I
think
there
was
one
public
comment
via
letter
about
that
was
a
adjacent
resident
who
was
concerned
about
you
know
the
the
light
being
blocked
into
their
space
are.
We
is
what
we
have
here
in
terms.
You
know
the
build
out
relatively
consistent
with
you
know,
kind
of
appropriate
considerations
for
light
and
air.
M
So
the
applicant
that
built
that
building,
when
it
was
reviewed
by
this
board,
set
back
their
building
no
less
than
seven
feet
from
the
property
line
so
as
to
add
additional
space
to
preserve
effectively
lighten
air
so
as
to
not
have
an
application
come
in
like
and
put
a
party
wall
window
which
would
require
closing
of
those
windows.
So
this
application,
the
the
building
that
is
adjacent
to
us,
is
no
closer
than
seven
feet
at
any
point
along
our
our
property
line.
So
they
have
between
seven
and
ten
and
a
half
feet
approximately.
J
Talking
about
building
department,
but
it
does
affect
the
location
and
zoning
and
I
know
that
in
the
work
that
I've
done
in
New
York
City,
this
is
maybe
different
in
New
York
state
that
it
doesn't
matter
if
you're
putting
a
window
on
a
lot
line
right.
You
have
to
that
has
to
be
a
lot
line
window.
Whether
or
not
you
can't
just
put
it
there
and
say:
oh
we'll
block
it
up
when
if
and
when
it
gets
the
adjacent
owner.
That's
my
understanding.
L
Y
Don't
want
to
talk
about
New,
York
City,
because
I've
done
some
research.
Lately,
it
was
regarding
another
project,
close
it
right
up.
That's
what
arose
this
problem
was
because
the
potential
applicant
for
this
next
project
that
may
come
in
argued
the
fact
that
you
know
they
were.
They
were
able
to
build
up
on
the
property
line.
Why
couldn't
they
have
Windows
that
looked
out
over
the
adjacent
building
right?
The
building
code
says
no
with
a
party
wall,
as
you
know,
we
discussed
or
right.
You
know,
on
the
outline.
M
I
think
importantly,
just
to
Kevin's
point
and
to
play
off
the
building
inspectors
comments.
We
had
proposed
no
windows
on
our
on
our
wall.
That
was
a
architectural
design
element
that
was
proposed,
but
were
we
agreed
to
against
our
client's
objection?
We
agreed
to
original
initially
with
some
coaching.
We
incorporated
those
to
you
know
to
respond
to
the
board's
comments,
but
the
window
that
we'll
incorporate
will
be
able
or
capable,
if
and
ever
necessary,
I
don't
see
this,
we
can't
foresee
the
future,
so
they
have
the
rights
if
they
do
it,
so
be
it.
E
F
You
have
at
your
last
meeting
at
your
last
meeting,
you
directed
secret
documents
to
be
prepared
for
your
consideration
at
tonight's
meeting,
so
you
do
have
before
you,
the
eaf
part
two
that's
been
completed
and
the
part
three
with
a
negative
declaration,
so
that
was
provided
to
the
board
in
advance
of
the
meeting
posted
on
online
for
the
public
to
review.
There
are
a
couple
of
sort
of
typos
in
the
neg
deck
that
will
be
corrected,
non-substantive
edits.
AB
AB
F
C
F
M
And
chairman
members
of
the
board,
Taylor
Palmer,
with
cutting
fader
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
I'm
joined
by
our
project,
architect,
Jacqueline,
Tyler
and
I'm-
also
joined
by
Mike
morganti
of
Arden
Consulting
engineering
and
the
applicants
are
also
joining
us.
As
the
chair
just
mentioned,
we
are
before
you
for
our
continue
review
of
the
application,
we're
not
quite
at
the
public
hearing
yet
for
this
application
for
16
total
units.
It's
mixed
use
with
office
as
we
submitted
in
our
April
25th
letter
and
Jack,
will
touch
on
briefly.
M
We
had
explored
additional
options
for
the
location
of
the
entrance
to
the
proposed
structure
on
the
fisca
lab
Frontage.
That's
been
the
biggest
discussion
with
the
board
and
we've
been
trying
to
incorporate
that
into
our
design,
ADA
Compliant
access
and
all
that
to
ensure
that
we're
really
driving
home
this
application
really
the
first
in
the
transitional
District.
This
will
allow
for
a
Century
Located
entrance
on
Fishkill,
Avenue
I.
M
M
The
applicant
also
appeared
most
recently
at
your
arv
subcommittee
meeting,
and
we
discussed
these
proposed
changes.
We
just
recently
received
a
determination
from
the
building
inspector
with
respect
to
our
reduced
Building
height.
Another
comment
from
the
board
related
to
our
billing
height.
We
have
reduced
the
building
hype,
we
haven't
quite
got.
We
didn't
dig
the
hole
just
far
enough
now
now
I
know.
Eight
inches
is
a
big
deal
in
some
respects,
but
in
this
instance,
that's
where
we're
about
eight
or
nine
inches.
So
to
that
effect,
we're
we.
M
M
Additionally,
based
on
the
adjustments
to
the
parking
areas,
we've
been
able
to
modify
the
retaining
wall
to
tier
it
so
that
it
has
a
better
Visual
and
Aesthetics
in
the
area,
and
that
also
works
with
our
discussion
with
the
board
to
date.
With
respect
to
parking
reductions,
because
it
was
really
an
over
parked
site
based
on
our
traffic
study
and
Analysis,
we're
we're
part
of
our
goal
tonight,
hopefully,
is
to
come
up
with
the
night,
an
idea
of
possibly
a
discussion,
maybe
for
the
next
meeting
about
referring
us
to
the
zoning
board.
M
Now
that
we
have
our
determination
from
the
building
inspector
we're
not
asking
since
that
came
in
today
for
you
to
do
that
tonight,
but
it
might
be
something
we
could
consider
discussing
with
Council
about
setting
up
for
next
meeting
or
a
recommendation.
So
to
speak
in
referral
to
the
zoning
board.
And,
of
course
you
know
so
we're
getting
closer
to
the
the
secret
discussion
as
well
with
respect
to
the
application.
So
with
that
understanding,
it's
been
a
long
night.
I'll
turn
it
to
Jacqueline
to
just
highlight
the
changes
to
the
frontage
foreign.
AC
Jacqueline
Tyler
with
Nexus
creative
I'm,
going
to
let
Mike
speak
on
this
as
well,
based
on
the
grading
that
we're
able
to
accomplish
at
the
front
of
the
building
along
Fishkill
Avenue
before
you,
you
do
have
two
different
schemes,
one
shown
at
the
center
with
a
Switchback
ramp
and
one
location
on
the
right
hand.
Side.
AC
Since
submitting
this,
we
we
were
able
to
work
out
some
an
additional
option,
I'm
going
to
demonstrate
a
rendering
I
want
everybody
to
ignore
the
architecture
itself,
given
the
fact
that
we
are
in
front
of
the
Architectural
Review
Board
subcommittee-
and
this
is
just
for
the
purposes
of
understanding
what
will
happen
with
the
grading
and
the
front
ramp.
So
we
were
able
to
incorporate
a
five
percent
ramp
along
the
front.
AC
AC
He
was
able
to
work
out
the
grading
along
with
dropping
the
lobby
along
Fishkill
Avenue,
so
you'll
have
a
I
think
it's
a
total
of
six
risers
along
the
front
there
and
I
think
that
meets
the
board's
requirements
in
regards
to
what
you
are
looking
in
order
to
re-energize
the
street
level
and
that
we
weren't
going
up
a
large
100
foot
long
ramp
and
the
fact
that
we're
able
to
incorporate
into
the
greeting,
we
think
is
successful.
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
the
Civil
drawings
and
Mike
can
speak
on
that
we
are.
AD
Thank
you
Jacqueline
for
the
record.
My
name
is
Michael
morgante
I
am
the
project
engineer
for
this
application.
It's
before
the
board
and
I'll
just
give
you
a
brief
summary
of
some
of
the
changes
that
were
made
to
the
site
plan
to
allow
the
board
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
what's
been
accomplished.
So
we've
essentially
lowered
the
building
height,
approximately
two
and
a
half
feet
the
building
height
and
the
parking
in
the
rear,
I
believe
we're
at
about
150
3.5
in
our
last
middle
we're
at
151.
AD
Right
now
for
our
first
floor,
elevation,
we've
also
shortened
the
driveway
aisle
to
the
rear
of
the
building
from
26
feet
to
24
feet,
which
allowed
us
to
push
the
building
a
little
bit
further
back
into
the
site
and
take
advantage
of
a
little
bit
more
of
the
grade.
Change
between
the
front
of
the
building
and
the
the
existing
sidewalk
along
Fishkill
Avenue.
AD
We
believe
we
have
enough
length
there
and
elevation
changed
in
order
to
meet
ADA
requirements
for
running
slope,
and
we
will
have
all
three
definitely
steps
that
come
in
from
the
existing
sidewalk
along
Fishkill
up
to
the
front
of
the
building,
with
a
covered
entrance,
we've
also
coordinated
our
almost
done
coordinating
our
drawings
with
the
Fishkill
Avenue
rehabilitation
project.
We've
got
a
lot
of
utility
work
and
road
work.
AD
That's
going
on
in
front
of
this
building,
that's
not
shown
on
the
planes,
so
we've
got
some
elevations
of
existing
drainage
structures
and
even
those
that
will
be
proposed
as
a
part
of
the
rehabilitation
project
which
further
encourages
us
that
when
we
prepare
our
storm
water
management
plan
in
the
rear
of
the
site,
which
will
most
likely
be
some
type
of
stormwater
subsurface
infiltration,
we
should
have
enough
elevation
change
to
connect
to
the
existing
infrastructure
under
front
of
Fishkill
Avenue
and
design.
An
appropriate
stormwater
management
system.
AD
AD
It
allows
us
to
put
the
refuse
in
a
better,
much
better
location
for
garbage
pickup
and
management,
and
it
also
allows
us
to
construct
a
nice
loading
area
just
to
the
south
of
that
for
deliveries
and
loadings
for
for
the
particular
project,
so
that
pretty
much
summarizes
the
changes
that
were
made
to
the
plan.
We
feel
that
we're
close
enough
right
now
that
we're
inches
away
from
accomplishing
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
in
terms
of
the
the
site
plan
bulk
requirements.
E
J
You
know,
I
have
one
thing:
I
wanted
to
comment
on.
There's
a
lot
of
effort.
There's
a
lot
of
trouble,
that's
being
taken
negotiating
this
great
difference
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
entrance
to
the
building
and
I
still
I
walk
by
there
and
you
were
told
I
was
told.
We
were
told
that
it's
five
or
six
feet
till
to
Rock
in
this
area
right
excavation,
something
like
that
right.
J
J
Yeah
extend
mainstream
Main,
Street
commercial
rentals,
how
much
higher
they
are
than
they
are
for
Suburban,
small,
suburban
Office
Buildings,
and
you
have
the
opportunity
here
to
both
extend
Main
Street
right
and
have
that
higher
value,
and
so
maybe
maybe
there's
something
I
don't
understand.
I
just
have
a
question.
Why
why
you
are
making
this
not
typical
of
Main
Street.
AD
M
Yeah,
so
just
by
way
of
update
for
it,
just
we
are
not
in
the
scene.
This
project,
unlike
the
last
application,
is
in
the
this
is
in
the
transitional
the
former
planned
parking
District.
So
the
transitional
District
only
permits
office
retail's
not
permitted.
So
it's
not
an
extension
matrix.
It's
intended
to
be
a
transition.
M
Does
the
project
is
designed
to
transition
Main
Street
to
the
residential
communities
in
the
area,
so
the
project
has
been
specifically
designed
to
try
and
be
that
transition,
obviously
we're
in
close
documenting
to
Hamilton,
Bishop,
Plaza,
the
affordable
housing
development
and
other
multi-family
uses
in
the
area,
of
course,
also
commercial,
Salvation
Army.
We
have
a
number
of
and
we're
directly
across
from
the
gas
station
right,
the
alleyway
that
goes
behind
the
site,
the
bodega
on
the
corner,
so
we're
we're
a
Confluence
of
a
lot
of
uses,
but.
M
This
is
one
actually
one
opportunity
I
wish
John
was
here,
because
John
I
never
really
get
to
be
on
John's
team,
I'm,
always
sort
of
working
with
sort
of
swimming
Upstream
I'm,
not
trout,
gonna
get
there,
but
but
John
has
has
said
before
and
I
think
he
would
say
again.
It
is
really
incorporated
into
his
comments
to
this
board
that
this
application
and
the
design
of
the
building,
the
way
that
it's
it's
driven
is
is
how
the
code
effectively
created
this.
M
J
Point
is
just
Why:
why
wouldn't
you
limit
this
expense
in
this
visual
noise
and
and
just
even
if
it
is
office
just
enter
on
the
sidewalk
level,
don't
put
a
ramp
in
there
don't
put
stairs
in
at
all?
It's
like
a
foot
and
a
half.
You
also
don't
have
to
height
the
eighth
inch,
eight
inches
that
you're
too
high
understood.
J
AD
The
other
thing
to
consider
is
that
we
already
have
approximately
a
20
foot
retaining
wall
on
the
back
I
lower
this
site
anymore,
with
23
22
feet,
so
we're
trading
off
for
some
some
higher
retaining
walls
and
larger
variances
in
the
back
as
a
result
of
trying
to
make
some
of
those
accommodations
but
from
Simply
a
stormwater
management
standpoint,
I
I'm
not
encouraged
to
want
to
lower
this
site
anymore.
Okay,.
P
AD
AD
P
AD
P
J
L
M
We
appreciate
the
comment
again.
This
is
this
building
is
designed
to
transition
from
Main
Street
to
the
residential
community,
so
we're
trying
to
accommodate
again
important
comments
by
Mr
Clark
about
ADA
accessibility.
While
we
had
made
the
converse
argument
that
we
do
have
Ada
around
the
building,
we're
really
trying
to
make
sure
that
it's
aesthetically
pleasing
by
incorporating
landscape
design,
which
is
not
on
our
plans,
yet
that's
being
Incorporated
with
Deborah.
M
All
those
things
will
much
better
emphasize
the
value
you
know,
as
we've
highlighted
no
rails
things
like
that
trying
to
make
this
you
know,
rather
than
sticking
right
up
to
the
street
and
calling
it
a
day.
It's
it's
trying
to
do
all
right
by
this
area
and
really
help
transition,
an
area
that
is
right
now,
a
gas
station.
That's
the
corner
right!
This
is
an
Alleyway
behind
the
building.
You
know
these
are
things
that
we're
trying
to
improve
we're,
trying
to
really
make
a
transition
from
what
is
there
and
to
be
consistent
with
that
area.
M
M
With
that
I
think
for
now
only
if,
if
I'm
American
chairman
is,
if
we
might
consider
discussing
for
next
month,
the
ability
to
have
a
referral
to
discuss
recommendations
to
be
discussed,
I
guess
at
the
June
meeting
about
the
right
now,
eight
or
so
inches
of
Building
height
and
the
retaining
wall,
because
that
would
be
part
of
the
part
of
the
next
step.
We
are
an
uncoordinated
or
we
are
coordinated,
review
and
Seeker.
M
F
B
F
B
F
D
F
E
Yeah,
okay,
see
you
next
month.
Thank
you
very
much
all
right.
Thank
you
appreciate
it.
Next
item
on
the
agenda:
continued
review
of
application
of
content
plan
approval,
Beacon,
hip
Loft
and
Studios
Front
Street,
submitted
by
Beacon,
hit
Loft
LLC
and
refer
to
playing
before
my
city
council.
This
was
referred
to
us
by
the
city
council,
foreign.
E
A
A
We
updated
the
access
road
configuration
along
Front,
Street
and
I'm
here
with
Mike
bodendorf,
and
he
can
talk
in
more
detail
about
that.
If
there's
any
questions
about
it,
we
showed
site
lighting
on
on
the
plan
on
the
landscape
plan
now
and
updated
some
of
the
landscape
design,
so
that
that's
basically
where
we
are
from
the
last
meeting.
P
L
P
So
I
don't
know
what
that's
going
to
impact
the
six
inches.
It
shouldn't
impact
much
there,
but
so
they
are
working
on
all
the
comments
that
we
have.
We
were
asking
for
some
cleanup
on
some
items
to
be
done.
They
still
are
gathering
additional
information
for
the
water
and
sewer
Engineers
report,
but
they
have
provided
sufficient
information
engineering
wise
to
I
believe
progress
them
back
to
the
city
council.
Anything.
E
J
My
concerns
were
about
its
location,
the
flood
zone
and
that
it
that
the
uses
and
the
design
that
anything
that
affected
our
approval
as
a
concept
right,
was
that
we
had
a
certain
understanding
or
a
certain
enough
understanding
that
this
was
compliant
and
it
wasn't
a
potential
potentially
dangerous
or
non-compliant
situation
with
the
flood.
Hazard
regulations
right.
Yes,.
P
And
they
are
they've,
actually
elevated
the
first
floor
of
this
building
two
feet
higher
than
the
flood
plain
in
that
area,
which
is
required.
They
are
out
of
the
flood
way
they
may
be
within
a
hundred
year.
Flood
plain,
but
we
went
through
this
that
they're
not
increasing
any
flows
or
back
up
in
the
area
and
therefore
it
is
allowable
and.
E
B
C
E
I
C
E
G
E
A
So,
basically,
the
application
is
to
amend
the
site
plan
that
you
have
looked
at
a
couple
times
and
approved
a
couple
years
ago,
and
what
they
want
to
do
is
add
a
food
service
containers
in
the
front
of
the
building,
there's
one
for
district
social
and
there's
one
for
industrial
arts
and
and
they're
separately
operated,
but
that
that's
essentially
what
the
application
is
John.
They
did
get
more
information
from
the
owner
about
the
utility
hookup,
so
I'll
make
sure
that
all
that
is
on
the
drawings
for
the
next
submission
yeah.
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It's
120
foot
Tower,
so
we're
under
your
height
limitation
of
150
in
your
code
and
it'll,
be
within
a
50
foot
by
50
foot
secure
compound
before
we
propose
the
new
tower.
We
did
look
at
the
city,
water
tank
on
Helen
court,
but
it
was
just
too
low.
It
doesn't
provide
the
service
that
we
need
and
we
need
service
and
capacity.
So
we
have,
as
you
know,
we've
got
sites
within
the
area.
K
The
use
just
continues
to
explode
and
we
continue
to
need
new
sites,
not
only
in
this
city,
but
in
this
Palace
across
the
state.
Basically,
the
site
has
been,
and
at
least
has
been
approved
by
the
division
of
cemeteries.
That
was
a
requirement
whether
the
under
the
not-for-profit
corporation
law.
They
did
that
in
March,
so
that
is
all
set.
K
We
know
you
know,
we've
got
comments
from
John,
both
John's
and
we'll
provide
written
responses
to
those
the
biggest
I
I.
Think
the
biggest
comment
is
obviously
the
visual
analysis
and
we
always
well.
We
generally
do
not
provide
that
with
the
application,
because
a
lot
of
municipalities
want
to
be
part
of
that
process,
and
so
we
want
to
offer
that
opportunity.
You
know
we'll
provide
a
list
of
locations
that
we
think
are
relevant
and
I.
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K
So
what
we
do
typically,
is
we
and
we
did
it.
We
have
it
in
the
application,
it's
kind
of
like
a
preview,
it's
exhibit
10
and
they
basically
there
are
these.
What
we
call
desktop
view
shed
and
the
first
one,
the
the
red
area
that
you
kind
of
see
is
the
area
that
it'll
be
blocked
from.
You
won't
see
the
tower.
That's
based
just
a
topography
alone.
K
Then,
when
we
do
the
topography
and
vegetation
analysis,
so
Topography
is
blocked
that
that's
the
red
color,
the
yellow
color,
is
blocked
by
vegetation,
and
that
shows
you
that
the
visibility
of
this
because
of
topography
and
vegetation
is
very
limited.
But
we
will
then
confirm
that
with
the
balloon
test
and
visual
simulation,
so
we'll
use
this
to
come
up
with
a
bunch
of
locations
to
look
at
we'll
make
sure
we
look
at
historical
properties,
Park
Properties,
all
visually
sensitive
receptors.
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And
then
the
second,
following
up
on
what
Mr
Russo
said,
is
to
retain
an
RF
consultant
to
assist
you
with
review
of
the
application.
I
think
also,
in
addition
to
an
RF
consultant,
probably
a
consultant,
that's
a
little
bit
more
expansive
than
that.
That
could
also
advise
you
on
the
visual
assessment
and
other
aspects
of
the
application
as
well.