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A
There
are
any
objections.
The
agenda
has
been
approved
and
I'll
note.
The
arrival
of
Mr
Glover
join
us
here
on
the
on
the
Deus
item.
Number
five
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
for
the
October
10th
community
service
meeting
I
have
a
motion.
Please
I'll
make
a
motion.
Thank
you.
Second.
Oh
second,
thank
you.
A
Is
there
any
discussion
on
that
hearing
no
discussion,
we'll
approve
the
minutes
without
objection.
Are
there
any
objections?
Hearing
no
objections.
The
Amendments
have
been
approved.
I'll
also
note
for
the
record
there
Mr
Cunningham,
the
vice
chair,
has
joined
us
at
this
meeting
as
well.
Do
we
have
any
citizen
comments
online
or
from
the
audience
Sarah?
No.
A
So
we
can
move
now
to
the
agenda
items
the
only
agenda
item.
While
there
are
two
agenda
items
having
had
the
agenda
amended.
The
first
agenda
item
is
a
discussion
of
a
pending
ordinance
to
provide
maintenance
work
on
private
roads
and
Neil.
Desai
is
here
to
help
us
with
this
before
he
makes
his
comments
I'm
going
to
try
and
do
some
introductory
comments.
A
A
This
action,
actually,
if
we
would
undertake
it,
would
more
than
likely
simply
be
illegal.
So
we
can.
We
convened
the
meeting,
and
the
meeting
clearly
showed
us
that
there
were
ordinances
in
place
already
and
had
been
for
a
number
of
years.
That
would
allow
the
county
to
participate
in
a
program
to
provide
maintenance
for
private
roads.
That
would
involve
not
only
the
road
work
but
also
tree
work.
A
That
may
have
to
be
done
so
that
a
tall
or
high
emergency
vehicles,
like
fire
trucks,
could
make
their
way
down
these
roads
and
that
ordinance
in
place
stated
that
the
people
who
lived
on
the
private
road
would
have
to
give
their
permission.
And
then
they
would
also
have
to
agree
to
pay
for
the
work
that
was
undertaken,
and
they
could
do
that
with
a
one-time
payment
or
by
the
creation
of
a
special
tax
District,
where
they
could
put
the
cost
of
it.
A
That
would
be
paid
by
all
of
the
people
who
lived
on
the
private
road
on
their
property
taxes.
So
they
could
make
that
payment
over
time.
There's
also
a
process
in
place
in
the
county
that
would
allow
people
who
own
a
private
road
to
make
application
to
the
county
for
the
county
to
take
over
that
private
road
and
make
it
a
County
Road,
and
then
the
county
would
incur
the
obligation
of
maintaining
that
road
for
use
for
normal
use
and
also
for
Access
by
emergency
vehicles.
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C
A
Simply
to
provide
public
funds
to
maintain
a
private
road
was
an
inappropriate
way
to
go.
That
was
the
information
we
received
at
the
from
the
at
the
committee
meeting.
So
I
think
it's
incumbent
upon
us
today
here
to
further
that
discussion
and
decide
what
it
is.
We
want
to
return
to
the
council
for
Action.
It
would
seem
to
me,
based
on
what
we
now
know,
that
I
would
hope
when
we
go
back
to
council
that
there
would
be
a.
A
I
think
we
would
find
ourselves
in
the
situation
of
having
actually
taken
an
action
to
authorize
an
illegal
activity
and
then
I
think
we
would
probably
look
foolish
and
then
I
think
the
county
would
have
to
sue
us
to
have
that
ordinance
repealed
and
we
would
look
foolish
again
so
I
think
that
moving
down
that
path
is
probably
not
the
best
way
to
go
and
I.
Think
that's
what
we
have
to
consider
here
today.
A
What
our
actions
would
be
at
the
full
council
meeting
when
this
is
presented
for
all
of
our
review
and
consideration,
so
I've
asked
Neil
Desai
to
come
and
give
us
additional
information
that
he's
been
kind
enough
to
put
together
through
some
extensive
research
on
the
extent
of
the
issue
as
it
relates
to
the
maintenance
of
the
private
roads
and
essentially
I
think
you
may
even
have
some
indication
of
what
the
costs
may
be
going
forward.
So
Neil,
if
you'd
be
kind
enough
to
tell
us
what
you've
discovered.
Yes.
F
F
Additionally,
we'll
we
looked
at
work
efforts
and
how
to
categorize
the
work
effort
and
we
decided
to
categorize
it
in
three
different
baskets
so
to
say,
minimal
effort,
if
you
would
would
be
just
coming
into
a
road
and
Grading
it
no
materials,
no
cutting
of
Limbs,
but
just
coming
in
and
blading
the
road
so
to
say,
and
that
rough
estimate
came
out
to
be
about
ten
thousand
dollars
per
mile.
So.
F
F
Up
the
winds
that
amassed
to
about
18K
and
finally,
large
efforts
which
would
be
numerous
truckloads
of
material,
extensive
amounts
of
grading
and
then
a
significant
amount
of
living
up
or
what
not
to
get
the
road
distance
and
vertical
distance.
Okay
for
large
vehicles
and
emergency
vehicles
that
amassed
about
35k
per
month.
A
E
A
It's
not
in
an
emergency
situation,
they
would
evaluate
the
condition
of
the
road
and
I
think
the
fire
department
has
agreed
to
go
and
decide
which
were
the
ones.
That
would
be
the
ones
that
would
be
most
severely
in
need
of
that
work
and
it's
to
get
emergency
vehicles
down
there
essentially,
and
it
may
involve
the
road
itself
and
it
may
involve
the
trees
overhanging
the
road
and
we
could
use
public
funds.
A
Do
that
work
with
permission
of
the
owners
of
the
road
and
their
agreement
to
eventually
repay
us,
for
the
cost
of
the
money
that
we
used
to
engage
in
that
activity
and
they
could
pay
us
with
a
one-time
payment.
That's
divided
among
or
between
the
people
who
are
on
the
road
and
or
they
could
create
a
special
tax
district
for
the
work
on
that
road,
and
they
could
attach
those
funds
to
a
payout
over
time
on
their
property
taxes
on
an
annual
basis.
A
Done
that's
right.
That's
the
way,
the
ordinance
that
currently
exists,
the
language
in
the
ordinance
states
that
and
it
would
have
to
be
done
on
an
individual
basis
road
by
road
with
the
people
who
live
there
and
I
think
I'm,
not
sure
if
the
ordinance
said
75
percent
of
the
homeowners
or
if
it's
100,
I,
don't
I,
don't
remember
75.
that
was
75
yeah,
so
I,
don't
know
what
happens
to
the
other
25
percent.
Who
don't
want
to
do
it?
A
But
there
is
that's
the
only
way
at
this
point
Alice
we
could
actually
put
the
money
out,
but
they'd
have
to
agree
to
pass
back
and
now
you
say:
well
suppose
everybody
agrees
to
a
property
tax
through
a
special
tax
district
and
then
some
of
the
homeowners
decide
they're
not
going
to
pay
their
property
taxes.
Well.
A
Faced
with
an
additional
issue
of
a
tax
sale
of
the
property
to
reclaim
the
money
that
we
haven't
received,
which
further
compounds
the
problem
for
the
homeowner,
who
really
was
simply
trying
to
get
the
road
fixed
but
I,
think
the
the
other
option
is
and
I
don't
understand,
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
obstacle
to
doing
it
other
than
the
fact
the
county
may
be
reluctant
at
times.
If
they
offer
the
private
road
up
to
become
a
public
road
and
owned
by
the
county,
then
the
county
has
the
obligation
to
do
that.
A
F
F
So
certain
situations
of
the
existing
Road
may
not
have
the
full
right-of-way,
sometimes
we're
looking
for
right
and
that
might
be
a
constraint
for
us
a
initially
a
historical
Road,
particularly
in
a
low-lying
area,
may
have
some
Wetlands
that
are
impacting
it.
So
there's
some
environmental
impacts
there,
and
so
numerous
issues
like
that
can
sometimes.
G
And
actually
providing
the
citizens
access
into
the
road
in
the
past
we
have,
we
have
already
the
county
acted
on.
One
of
those
ordinance
that
allowed
the
residents
on
the
road
I
think
was
either
71
or
75
5,
as
Neil
said
earlier
percent
of
the
to
actually
reimburse
the
county
for
the
work
that
is
done
on
these
private
roads
to
make
it
possible.
G
G
So
we
came
up
with
the
ordinance
to
actually
allow
them
to
get
71
to
75
percent
of
the
citizens
on
that
road
to
actually
sign
the
petition
to
have
the
county
maintain
the
road
with
the
obligation
of
those
citizens
on
that
road
reimbursement
County
for
the
maintenance
of
that
road
and
kneel
it
correctly.
If
I'm
wrong,
are
we
not
maintaining
that
role
today,
I.
A
H
H
G
H
H
A
F
A
A
B
Thank
you,
chairman
I,
think
you
summed
it
up
really
well
at
the
beginning,
I
was
one
that
you
know
thought
about
bringing
this
back
here
to
get
some
more
information
and
honestly
I
was
kind
of
hoping.
We
would
find
a
way
to
make
this
work,
whether
it's
a
payment
program
to
get
that
reimbursed.
So
it
doesn't
seem
like
that's
going
to
happen.
B
I
am
with
you
on
it.
I,
don't
think
it
should
get
motion
for
a
third
reading
if
we
have
to
move
it
forward
to
County
Council
to
end
the
third
reading.
I
think
that
should
be
our
next
move.
Just
make
sure
that
happens.
If
we
need
to
leave
it
here
in
committee,
I,
don't
know
the
exactly
how
that
works.
F
B
A
D
A
Think
try
that
everyone
put
into
it
to
try
and
have
a
way
to
make
this
happen,
and
then
we've
discovered
when
it
was
sent
back
for
review
and
consideration
and
additional
information
to
be
developed
that
that
there
was
no
way
at
this
point
to
do
it
other
than
through
the
existing
ordinances
that
we
have
and
that's
I,
think
where
we
find
ourselves
at
the
moment.
Mr
Glover.
A
A
H
Yeah,
would
you
indulge
me
with
some
time
to
just
talk
through
some
things,
of
course,
yeah.
Okay,
I
appreciate
it,
because
it's
probably
going
to
take
me
a
minute,
okay
and
so
I'm
asking
for
Mission
first
before
I
get
started.
Okay,
thank
you.
Let
me
say
this
that
one
of
the
major
concern
that
I
have
in
rural
Beaufort
County
is
that
a
lot
of
land
is
owned
by
a
lot
of
different
people,
particularly
on
Saint
Helena,
and
it's,
and
some
of
it
is
actually
is
property.
H
H
H
H
Yes,
now,
based
on
the
ordinance
that
we
have.
If
you
look
at
that
road,
there,
the
Haywood,
Frip
and
the
owner
of
that
property,
all
the
owners
of
that
property
do
not
have
a
house
be
beyond
the
major
Oaks
Plantation
Road,
but
yet
the
road
is
on
one
people,
one
family
land,
there's
several
Parcels
there
of
61,
41
and,
and
what's
that
61e
is,
is
one
family?
H
There's
no
house
back
there
for
them,
but
the
other
Apostles
of
land
there's
at
least
10
houses
back
there,
but
the
road
itself
is
owned
by
one
family
that
doesn't
need
access
to
get
to
their
home,
but
the
folks
behind
there
needed,
if
you
did
an
order,
is
based
on.
If
you
implemented
that
ordinance
here,
the
only
person
that
will
be
paying
the
taxes
would
be
the
family
don't
own,
that
don't
even
need
the
property.
H
H
Have
to
is
that,
based
on
this
olderness,
yes,
sir
right,
okay,
the
other
one
is
Tecumseh
laying
and
if
you
pull
that
up
for
me,
Sarah
I
appreciate
it.
The
front
part
of
this
road
is
on
Tom
fit
Road
and
the
owners
of
Tom
Frick
Road,
the
the
front
part
of
Thompson,
Tom,
Fripp,
Road
and
Tecumseh
Road
do
not
want
that
road
to
be
a
County
Road.
H
It
used
to
be
a
county
road,
but
when
the
county
looked
at
that
road-
and
they
said
either
you
be
private
or
you'd-
be
a
county.
The
folks
on
the
front
part
said
we
wanted
to
be
a
private
road,
so
the
folks
behind
that
road
is
suffering
right
now,
because
they
can't
get
access
to
and
from
on
on
that
road
because
of
weather.
H
A
H
They
wanted
no,
they
do
own
the
back
part
and
they
would
be
responsible
for
it.
If,
if
you
put
this
Auditors
in
in
folks
put
the
folks
at
front
part
would
not
be
paying
for
it
because
they
don't
live
back
there,
so
it
could
happen
on
this
road
here,
but
the
people
at
the
front
of
Tecumseh,
Lane
and
Tom
fit
Road.
Do
not
live
back
there
at
all.
When.
H
Don't
live,
don't
live
down
that
road,
they
come
see.
People
on
the
road
don't
live
on
it,
the
front
part.
Nobody
owns
the
total
Road,
it's
all
property
road
that
at
some
point
in
time,
was
created
to
get
to
a
to
their
property,
but
there
was
probably
no
right-of-ways
or
anything
of
that
nature.
Now,
if
I
was
going
to
finance
a
house
back
there,
I
may
have
to
I
mean
not
financing.
H
That's
some
of
the
problems
citizens
are
having
because
they
don't
have
access
to
the
financing
company
without
have
access
to
that
property
if,
for
whatever
reason,
there's
a
foreclosure.
So
those
are
some
of
the
problems,
but
right
now
it's
a
dirt
road
and
the
folks
back
there
lives
back
there.
Most
of
them
have
a
mobile
home
of
some
sort.
So
it's
not
a
permanent
home,
but
they
live
back
there
and
they
can't
for
them
to
to
apply
for
this
ordinance.
They
would
have
to
get
the
folks
to
agree.
Yeah.
A
H
And
the
show
the
last
one-
and
this
one
here
is
a
a
legacy
Cemetery
down
that
this
road
here
and
it
comes
off
of
Seaside
Road
and
it
goes
all
the
way
to
yeah
that
all
the
way
and
that's
a
cemetery
at
the
end.
But
you
can
see
the
amount
of
Apostles
that
are
there
just
to
get
this
ordinance
put
in
place-
and
this
is
just
so
folks
can
get
even
to
a
ancestral
Cemetery,
but
it's
impassable
even
for
the
folks
that
are
living
there
at
this
time
again.
H
H
This
is
just
a
little.
This
is
just
it's
three
pages
of
this,
and
this
is
just
one
page
of
the
amount
of
property
owners
that
we
were
working
on
just
to
get
easement
on
these
properties
so
that
the
county
can
go
in
there
and
maintain
the
ditches
there
that
has
been
collapsed
and
and
and
and
and
needed
to
be
cleaned
out,
and
with
that
I
can
tell
you.
H
There
were
over
60
something
Apostle
of
land
from
this
area
here,
draining
all
the
way
to
the
marsh
going
over
and
under
Highway
21
for
for
drainage.
We
have
in
the
last
five
years.
We
have
gotten
all
these
Apostles
in
agreement
to
to
allow
the
county
access,
except
for
two
and
those
two
are
basically
Holding
Out
for
different
reasons,
but
the
county
cannot
go
in
there
unless
they
start
condemnation
procedure.
H
In
order
to
get
in
there,
these
are
some
of
the
problems
that
we
have
with
as
property
just
trying
to
get
drainage
or
trying
to
get
a
road,
and
a
lot
of
these
Parcels
have
the
same
connection
where
we
have
a
lot
of
Apostles.
Now.
I
know
that
if
you
are
in
the
city
of
Beaufort
the
land
in
the
urban
area,
you
have
a
clear
title
to
your
property.
You
need
drainage.
That
can
happen.
We
just
did
a
major
drainage
around
the
Mossy
Oak
area.
H
I
can
tell
you
that
some
easements
was
probably
hard
to
get,
but
you
got
it
and
you
were
able
to
put
a
good
drainage
system
in
there
for
the
folks
in
Mossy.
Oak
I
do
know
that
in
certain
development
areas
you
have
that
already
solved,
but
when
you
come
to
Air's
property
and
where
on
Saint
Helena
until
recently,
most
of
the
land
on
Saint
Helena
was
really
hell
in
common.
H
In
common
mean
that
if
there
was
a
road
everybody
used
that
road,
it
wasn't
my
role
of
your
road,
it
was
a
common
Road.
We
had
land
every
Community
had
the
grave
site.
It
was
a
common
thing,
it
was
on
the
water,
so
it
becomes
a
problem
now,
because
now
there
are
people
who
do
not
live
there
anymore,
who
have
sold
the
property
and
folks
have
bought
that
and
now
they're
claiming
the
gravesite
is
causing
some
problems,
but
we'll
work
on
that.
H
At
the
same
time,
there
were
boat
Landings
in
in
on
sin,
Helena.
It
was
in
common.
You
know.
If
I
live
in
Oaks
there
was
a.
There
was
a
boat
landing
that
I
could
use.
It
wasn't
mine,
it
was
my
neighbor
or
my
family
or
somebody
from
that
Community,
but
everybody
could
fish
shrimp.
Whatever
off
of
that
boat
landing
to
go
out
to
the
soap,
it
became
a
problem
when
that
land
was
sold
and
that
area
now
was
cut
off.
H
So
now
we're
looking
for
other
areas
and
of
course
the
county
is
coming
with
boat
Landings,
which
makes
it
easier
for
fishermen
to
go
out
now,
but
in
every
Community
you
have
a
boat
landing
that
was
in
common
most
of
the
ground.
Most
of
the
land
was
in
common,
the
gift
from
point
A
to
point
B.
You
just
went
straight:
it
didn't
matter
whether
you
cross,
whoever
line
I
mean
whoever
land.
That
was
the
path
to
get
to
point
A
to
point
B.
H
Now
what
we
have
now
is
dealing
with
legislation
that
says:
if
it's
private,
it's
own,
it's
it's
it
cannot.
You
have
funding
for.
However,
if
it's
a
role
of
of
common
public
use,
then
it
seems
to
me
that
the
law
Mr
Kevin
he
can
can
comment
on
this.
The
law
said
if
the
county
could
find
a
common
interest,
a
common
goal.
H
It
seems
to
me,
even
though
it's
private,
it
is
not
private,
because
I
can't
close
the
road
off.
We
tried
that
the
first
prophet
I
showed
you.
We
tried
to
close
that
road
off
and
we
were
taken
to
court.
He
said
you
can't
do
that
because
it
it
it
actually
was
in
existence
for
over
20
something
years.
H
H
Why
can't
the
county
go
in
there
at
one
time
just
to
keep
that
road
clean
so
that
emergency
vehicles
can
go
in
there?
That's
all,
but
then
the
language
of
the
Attorney
General
opinion
that
the
common
use
is
there
now
I,
don't
know
whether
that's
practical
or
not,
I,
don't
know
whether
that's
you
know
that's
what
the
lawyers
are
here
for,
but
I
understand
not
using
public
funds
on
private
roads.
I
understand
that
and
I
can
tell
you
back
in
the
days
when
you
had
state
legislators
who
ran
the
county.
H
A
Yeah
there
has
to
be
more
of
a
suggestion
with
regard
to
what
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
there
and
how
we
can
do
it
within
the
existing
within
the
existing
ordinance
or
how
the
existing
ordinance
could
be
amended
to
include
those
areas
that
you
designate
for
the
common
good.
But
then
we'd
have
to
get
an
opinion
as
to
whether
or
not
that
common
good.
If
we
could
use
public
funds
for
the
common
good
and
how
would
you
identify
those
areas
that
are
the
common
good
I
mean.
A
Miles
of
private
roads
out
there
I
think
that
I
wish
Chief
Klein
was
here.
He
said
that
he
was
going
to
try
and
identify
those
roads
that
needed
the
most
attention
and
he
was
going
to
try
and
start
a
501c3
charitable
organization
to
accept
donations
so
that
he
could
go
in
and
and
address
the
issue
of
road
maintenance
and
the
issues
related
to
the
growth
of
the
trees
over
the
roads.
A
A
A
We're
going
to
have
to
we're
going
to
have
to
organize
an
effort
to
come
up
with
a
plan
to
address
those
roads
that
you've
identified
here
and
perhaps
other
roads
that
may
get
special
consideration
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
possible.
Quite
frankly,
as
you
said,
that's
going
to
have
to
be
something
that
we're
informed
by
our
legal
counsel
as
to
whether
public
funds
can
actually
be
used
for
that.
As
we
exist
at
the
moment,
I
don't
think
it
can
be.
A
A
It
are
being
badly
affected
by
the
fact
that
they're
not
even
being
asked
if
they
want
to
participate
because
they
have
no
right
to
participate
in
giving
us
access
or
being
held
accountable
for
the
money.
So
I
think
that's
a
whole
effort.
That's
going
to
have
to
be
undertaken
if
we
want
to
pursue
this
with.
D
H
A
H
F
A
B
H
We
need
to
invest
in
in
vehicles
that
can
actually
access
and
Traverse
these
property.
For
an
example,
we
don't
have
and
I
think
Council
now
is
looking
at
purchasing
a
ambulance
with
four
wheels
four
wheels
for
a
four-wheel
drive
that
will
help
I
talking
to
the
sheriff
about
that.
He
said
to
me:
I
don't
have
a
problem:
I
can
get
to
any
place,
I
want
to
get
to
in
this
County
because
he
has
vehicles
that
could
do
that.
A
A
You're
saying-
and
you
know,
if
that's
the
thing
that
will
solve
the
problem
in
the
short
term-
I-
think
that's
something
that
this
group
that
would
be
looking
at
how
to
resolve
these
issues
could
recommend
for
the
next
budget
cycle,
which
starts
in
July
right,
yes,
I
mean
I
mean
otherwise.
You
have
to
go
through
a
supplemental,
but
you're
not
going
to
get
it
done.
A
That
fast,
so
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
be
practical
about
it
and
realize
it'll
probably
take
three
to
four
months
to
come
up
with
a
conclusion
and
then
you're
into
the
next
budget
cycle
anyway.
So
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
an
immediate
thing
except
the
ambulance.
The
ambulance
isn't
got
a
height
problem.
It's
only
got
a
wheel
problem,
so
that
might
be
able
to
be
done
with
a
supplemental.
I'd
have
to
get
some
input
from
the
from
the
executive
staff
there
on
the
costs
of
one
vehicle
like
that.
A
A
A
I
think
in
the
short
term,
you
could
do
that,
but
in
the
long
term,
all
these
other
issues-
I,
don't
have
an
answer
for
you
because
I'm
familiar
with
the
problem
with
Air's
property,
but
the
common
ownership
of
the
roads
for
common
good
is
a
concept
I'm
not
really
familiar
with
and
I.
Don't
know
how
that
would
play
and
we'd
have
to
wait
for
our
legal
team
to
to.
A
Trying
to
accomplish
I
just
I
think
we
can
accomplish
it
with
this
and
sure
the
first
issue
of
of
stalling
the
ordinance
I
think
we
have
to
take
action
on
the
ordinance,
that's
existing
and
have
it
either
pass
or
go
away.
I,
don't
think
we
can
just
leave
it
in
limbo.
If
we
pass
it,
then
we
have
we're
faced
with
the
problem
of
passing
an
illegal
act
and
then
we'll
probably
have
to
repeal
it
by
taking
an
action
against
ourselves.
So
I
think
we
would
look
foolish
on
two
different
occasions.
No.
A
I
think
I,
don't
think
I
don't
know
if
we
can
I
wait
for
some
legal
opinion
as
to
whether
a
emotion
that's
awaiting
third
reading
could
wait,
it
forever
I
mean
and
then
the
point
of
doing
that
would
be
what
essentially
we
already
know
we're
trying.
We
were
trying
to
solve
the
problem.
The
first
two
votes
were
positive
to
try
and
solve
the
problem
until
we
found
out
this
additional
information,
Mr
Kevin
right.
I
Well,
just
just
looking
at
the
minutes
of
the
October
meeting
at
which
Council
voted
to
return,
this
issue
to
the
Community
Services
committee.
The
motion
was
that
Council
postponed
the
public
hearing
and
third
reading
of
the
ordinance
until
the
December
meeting
and
to
refer
it
back
to
your
committee
for
additional
information
to
be
provided
to.
A
And
to
bring
back
at
the
Committees,
that's
exactly
right
and
I
think
that
may
be
something
that
would
would,
in
the
short
term,
perhaps
allow
us
to
get
the
four-wheel
drives.
That
Mr
Glover
was
referring
to
and
solve
that
problem
almost
immediately
if
we
have
the
money
and
secondly,
to
look
at
the
long-term
implications
of
looking
at
those
roads
and
I,
don't
know
how
we
would
identify
them,
but
that
would
be
the
problem
for
a
committee
to
solve,
which
are
those
roads
that
are
being
used
for
the
common
good.
So
to
speak.
E
Yeah
Mr
chairman,
it
seems
looking
back,
we
were
trying
to
solve
a
problem
with
a
shotgun
instead
of
a
pistol
and
and
I.
Think.
What
we
need
is
that
information
about
the
roads,
that
that
are
specific
issues
with
Ayers
property,
with
the
fire
department's
help
in
the
rural
areas,
and
this
information
is
very
helpful
that
Public
Works
provided
us.
It
gives
the
magnitude
how
large
it
could.
A
A
Master
inequity
is
dealing
with
it
all
the
time
magistrates
are
dealing
with
it
all
the
time
and
it's
almost
an
unsolvable
problem
in
a
lot
of
ways,
because
there's
so
many
people
involved
who
never
want
to
agree
on
anything.
You
know
we're
going
to
particularly
disposal
of
a
property
which
is
a
whole
different
issue
than
giving
people
access
for
emergency
vehicles.
So
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
move
this
along
here
today.
H
I
think
Mr
chairman
the
motion
is
on
the
floor.
Of
the
security
had
talked
about.
It
was
laid
on
the
tables
postponed
until
December,
December
and
so
should
be
on
the
agenda
to
deal
with
because
it
was
postponed
specifically
for
that
date
right
and
at
that
time,
when
the
emotion
is
presented
because
emotion
was
already
made,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
and
seconded
and
then
the
motion
of
a
postponent
for
the
particular
date.
A
B
Yeah
I
didn't
mean
to
cut
go
off.
I
was
just
willing
to
make
a
motion
and
send
it
back
to
council
and
a
few
Mr
McKellen
before
we
even
go
for
a
motion
or
second,
to
give
the
exact
same
update
that
you
gave
at
the
beginning
of
this
I
think
that
would
be
appropriate
to
get
that
information
out
quickly.
A
To
everyone,
okay,
Miss
cavity,
we're
good
with
this
going
back
without
a
recommendation
for
Action
other
than
to
consider
the
new
information
that
we're
now
privy
to
I
believe
so,
okay,
yep!
So
then
I'll
have
a
motion
here
then
to
send
that
I
need
a
motion
here
to
send
that
back
to
council,
for
them
chairman
for
them
to
dispose
of
is
with
the
new
information
that
we
have
Collision.
A
G
H
A
Thank
you
Alice
appreciate
that,
so
we
have
a
motion.
Add
a
second
is
any
discussion
hearing
no
discussion,
we'll
move
this
forward
without
objection.
Are
there
any
objections?
There
are
no
objections.
This
motion
carries.
We
are
now
at
the
end
of
this
session,
which
I
have
to
say
I've
enjoyed
very
much.
It
was
good
discussion.
I,
said
on
an
important
topic
and
we'll
look
forward
to
bringing
this
up
again
on
December
12th
for
the
full
Council
to
consider.
Is
there
anybody
who
has
anything
else
with
regard
to
today?
Okay,.
A
End
then,
by
saying
this
is
the
last
meeting,
sadly,
of
the
community
services
and
Public
Safety
Committee
for
the
talent
of
the
year
and
at
the
end
of
this
calendar
year
or
shortly
thereafter,
Colonel
Phil
Foote
will
be
leaving
us
to
go
on
to
private
practice
being
a
private
investigator
somewhere
in
Miami
I.
Think
Miami.
B
A
A
A
How
are
you
doing
so
I
hate
to
see
you
go
I'm,
happy
that
you've
decided
to
find
something
else
that
you're
interested
in,
but
I
will
miss
you
here
and
your
wise
counsel
on
a
daily
basis
in
person
and
on
the
telephone
when
I
would
call
up
whining
and
weeping
and
gnashing
my
teeth.
Asking
you
to
tell
me
what
I
should
do
so.
C
A
Best
wishes
to
you
as
you
wrap
this
up.
You've
been
a
stalloid
here.
You've
done
great
work
for
all
of
us
in
a
number
of
positions
and
I
want
you
to
know
how
much
we
appreciate
that
and
I'm
sure
that
at
full
Council
you'll
hear
me
say
that
all
again,
but
I
did
want
to
say
here
this
group,
where
you
come
Faithfully
to
help
us
understand
all
the
issues
important
in
your
particular
sphere
of
responsibility.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Colonel,
bon
voyage.