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From YouTube: Historic Preservation Commission Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 6:00 PM Theodore D. Washington
Description
Historic Preservation Commission meeting agenda can be found here: https://bluffton-sc.municodemeetings.com/
A
A
Thank
you
all
right
notice.
Regarding
adjournment,
the
historic
preservation
commission
will
not
hear
new
items
after
9
30
PM
unless
authorized
by
a
majority
vote
of
the
commission
members
items
which
have
not
been
heard
before
coming
to
the
next
regular
meeting
or
a
special
meeting
date
as
determined
by
the
commission
members.
A
It's
regarding
public
comments,
every
member
of
the
public
who
is
recognized
the
speaks
addressed
the
chairman
and,
in
speaking,
avoid
disrespect
to
commission
staff
or
other
members
of
the
meeting
state,
your
name
and
address
when
speaking
through
the
record.
Please
comments
are
limited
to
three
minutes.
Looking
for
an
adoption
of
the
agenda
is
written.
A
F
Good
evening
Commissioners
tonight
before
us,
we
have
an
application.
It
is
a
request
By,
Ernie
and
Andrea
Susie
on
beat-
or
they
are
the
owner.
So
on
behalf
of
themselves,
for
the
historic
preservation
commission
to
approve
the
following
application:
it
is
a
certificate
or
provenance
to
allow
the
construction
of
a
new
two-story
single-family
structure
of
approximately
2
295
square
feet
and
a
Carriage
House
of
approximately
803
square
feet
located
at
seven
blue
crab,
which
is
here
in
the
old
town,
Bluffton
historic
district.
F
It
is
zoned
neighborhood
General,
and
it
is
Lot
24
in
the
Tabby
roads
development,
as
you
all,
are
familiar
or
potentially
not
for
those
newer
members,
the
Tabby
roads
development
has
setbacks
that
are
determined
by
the
development
plan
rather
than
those
which
are
outlined
for
you
in
the
unified
development
ordinance.
So
these
setbacks
for
this
site
are
based
on
the
development
plan
and
have
been
met.
They're
shown
on
your
screen
here
with
the
dashed
line
that
runs
around
the
outside
of
the
property.
F
Here,
this
property
is
facing
brune
Road,
even
though
it
is
dressed
off
blue
crab,
because
that's
where
the
access
is
gained.
So
you
can
see
broon
at
the
front
of
it.
Then
you
have
blue
crab
here
and
then
this
is
pearls,
Pearl
Street,
that
runs
along
the
side.
So
you've
got
three
sides
of
Street
elevations,
the
primary
being
broon
Road.
F
F
It
has
a
porch
that
wraps
nearly
the
whole
way
around
the
front,
left
side
and
rear
of
the
house
with
the
exception
of
this
small
area,
that
is
the
Master
Suite
on
the
rear
here
between
the
carriage
house
and
the
primary
structure.
The
second
floor
is
significantly
smaller
on
the
primary
structure
than
it
is
the
first.
However,
it
does
technically
classify
as
that
two-story
structure,
and
then
there
is
the
second
story
of
the
carriage
house,
which
is
a
studio
style
dwelling
accessory
dwelling
unit
here.
So
this
is
the
second
floor
plan
here.
F
It
does
not
connect
to
the
primary
structure
on
the
second
floor,
so
it
only
connects
here.
You
can
see
the
dashed
line
below
or
where
that
first
floor
is
on,
that
you
can
actually
see
it
even
better
on
the
roof
plan
here.
So
this
is
the
roof
plan
with
the
first
floor
below
they've,
provided
us
a
really
nice
isometric
here.
That
shows
you
how
that
connects.
So
you
can
see
this
portion
here
is
where
that
first
floor
ties
into
the
carriage
house.
F
This
is
the
front
elevation,
so
this
is
what
you
would
see
if
you're
standing
on
broon
road,
they
have
their
front
entry
here,
as
well
as
a
secondary
entrance
that
is
set
back,
because
this
is
on
the
side
porch.
Here
they
have
a
set
of
Windows
that
is
centered
between
the
columns
and
then
because
there
is
a
drainage
easement
that
runs
along
broon
Road
or
it
runs
on
their
lot.
F
But
facing
Boone
Road,
they
have
moved
their
stairs
to
the
side
here
to
accommodate
that
they
have
indicated
that
the
railings
that
are
on
the
side
elevations
will
continue
along
this
front
elevation.
They
removed
them.
So
we
could
see
the
windows
behind
it.
So
you'll
see
that
on
the
side
here,
they'll
look
just
like
this,
but
run
the
front
elevation
as
well.
F
So
this
is
the
rear
elevation.
This
is
the
side
that
would
be
facing
blue
crab
Street.
As
you
can
see,
this
is
the
little
carriage
house
here
with
the
stairs,
and
then
this
bump
out
right
here
is
what
the
garage
doors
will
be
open
to
when
I
flip
to
the
next
elevation
or
the
second
next
elevation.
This
is
the
right
elevation
which
faces
the
vacant
the
now
vacant,
but
will
be
residential,
presumably
lot,
that
is
in
the
Tabby
roads
development
So.
Currently
it
is
a
vacant
lot
and
then
one
beyond
that
is
the
blue
house.
F
That
is
also
a
blue
crab
address
spacing
room,
so
this
is
that
elevation.
This
is
that
Master
Suite,
where
you
can
see
it
ties
into
the
carriage
house,
and
then
this
is
the
left
elevation.
So
this
is
the
one
facing
Pearl
Street
a
secondary
entrance,
and
this
is
where
you
would
pull
in
off
of
blue
crab
into
the
driveway,
and
you
turn
into
the
garage
doors
here.
F
Your
packet
includes
a
lot
more
information,
however.
I've
included
just
the
window
and
door
details
that
are
exterior.
So
there
you
have
a
bunch
of
interior
doors
and
I
left
those
off
to
make
it
a
little
bit
bigger
on
your
screen,
but
you
can
see
that
they
are
metal,
clad
and
wood
doors
that
are
proposed
for
the
exterior,
with
the
exception
of
the
garage
door,
which
we
do
not
have
material
standards
for,
but
is
appropriately
designed
for
the
structure.
F
I
know
I
fly
through
these,
so
I
am
happy
to
go
back
and
address
any
questions
that
you
all
have.
But
these
are
the
window
details
as
you
can
see,
there
are
a
lot
of
different
Windows
here.
However,
the
proportions
of
the
windows
are
very
similar.
They
have
different
trim
details
based
on
the
proximity
on
the
building,
so
there
are
several
that
are
actually
the
same
dimensions
and
the
same
window
light
proportions.
They
just
are
detailed.
A
little
bit
differently,
so
they
have
all
been
called
out
separately
here.
F
And
then
we
have
the
service
yard,
HVAC
enclosure
here
section
through
the
rafter.
This
is
the
baluster
that
would
be
going
on
the
front
elevation
as
well
as
the
sides,
and
then
you
have
your
section
through
the
wall.
I've
taken
a
look
at
all
of
those
materials
and
dimensions
and
they
do
meet
our
ordinance
requirements.
F
F
And
then
this
is
the
landscape
plan.
Again,
you
can
see
the
existing
tree
at
the
front
here
proposed
trees
here
as
well
as
here,
but
these
are
the
canopy
trees
that
you
are
looking
at
and
then
some
additional
landscaping
for
foundation
buffers
Etc.
The
planting
schedule
is,
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
screen.
F
C
My
only
concern
is
when
I'm
looking
at
the
front
elevation
that
the
triple
window
doesn't
line
up
underneath
anything
whether
it's
centered
under
the
wind
it
just
off-center
of
the
Dharma
above
and
I
thought
it
was
trying
to
center
it
in
the
kitchen.
But
it's
really
not
even
centered.
On
the
kitchen,
it's
centered
in
the
island
I
mean
it's
just
something:
I
glanced
and
I
thought
was
just
off-center
I,
don't
know
that,
there's
much
to
do
with
it,
because
it
would
change
a
column
space
and
everything
else.
C
A
I
know
that's
something
they
were
working
through
early
on
some
conceptual
ones,
trying
to
balance
the
the
spacing
and
the
Symmetry
on
the
porch
itself
versus
detail
in
the
kitchen.
Where
does
the
front
front
door
go
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
thought
going
into
it.
It
personally
doesn't
bother
me
as
much
just
because
at
ground
level,
I,
don't
think
you'll
notice
it
quite
as
as
much,
but
it's
worth
it
well.
C
I
agree:
I
agree.
It
doesn't
bother
me
that
much
it's
just
something
that
first
thing
that
caught
my
eye.
Okay,
is
that
it
didn't.
There
was
no
visual
alignment
of
windows,
even
if
they
just
shifted
them
to
get
three
to
line
under
three,
but
that
might
look
funny
not
centered
under
the
four.
So
it's
it's.
A
A
There's
just
on
the
on
the
porch
wall
section
that's
in
the
full
set
of
submittals
there's!
No!
Yes
on
that
sheet,
so
two
things
on
the
foundation
sheet
back
up
even
more
there.
So
on
the
porch
section,
there's
no
there's
a
brick
finish
called
out
on
the
elevations
as
the
border
for
the
porch,
but
it's
not
shown
if
you
scroll
up
a
little
bit.
It's
not
shown
right
there
on
the
actual
Foundation
detail.
H
I,
don't
know
why
the
architect
said
her
program
will
not
allow
her
to
do
it,
so
she
was
able
to
put
it
in
on
the
pitcher,
but
she,
but
she
put
it
on
there
for
some
reason,
I
don't
know
because
we
had
said
something
about
to
her
yeah.
She
said.
Well,
we
had
the
detail
and
you
know
the
picture
itself,
but
on
that
she
said
for
some
reason.
Their
program
well.
C
A
I
would
push
back
on
that
because
I
think,
whoever
you
know
the
the
Masons
or
whoever's
pouring
the
foundation
is
going
to
want
to
know
how
far
back
to
to
do
that
that
recess,
so
that
the
brick
can
can
sit
where
it's
supposed
to
with
the
overhang
okay
outside
that
Tabby
finish
and
then
also
on
the
foundation
itself.
If
you
see
the
the
measurements
on
that
front
porch
where
it
has
a
little
four
inch.
I
H
A
C
A
D
Good
evening,
commissioners,
the
next
item
we
have
up
is
the
applicant
Melanie
marks
with
her
husband
Eugene
as
owner
of
the
requested,
the
HPC
approved
the
following
application.
This
is
the
designation
or
the
removal
of
a
contributing
resource
you're,
making
a
recommendation
to
town
councils
to
remove
the
designation
of
the
historic
15
16
1516
square
foot,
contributing
resource
identified
as
the
Joiner
house,
located
at
number
nine
Bruin
Road
in
the
old
town,
Bluffton
Historic
District
zone
neighborhood
core
HD.
D
This
is
actually
a
little
bit
different
than
what
you're
normally
used
to
seeing.
This
is
not
a
Kofa,
but
under
the
Udo
section,
2.2.6
Point
e
point
four
I
practiced
that
all
day
today,
you
are
permitted
to
review
and
recommend
two
Town
Council
resources
to
be
either
designated
or
added
to
the
list
or
removed
from
being
designated
as
a
continuing
resource
to
the
Old
Town
Bluffton
historic
district.
D
D
Just
for
some
basic
background
information,
this
is
a
map
showing
the
location
and
the
zoning
maps
of
the
subject:
property
because
I'm
a
historical
preservation,
type
person
I'm,
showing
you
some
historic
photographs.
This
is
the
house
from
July
2008,
the
house
from
April
2022
current
conditions.
From
last
month.
D
All
the
pertinent
information
is
in
your
staff
report
I'm
here
to
answer
any
specific
questions
that
you
might
have.
The
applicants
are
also
here
to
address
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
We
do
have
public
comment
on
this
on
this
topic.
I
will
ask
your
direction,
which
you
would
like
to
hear.
First,.
J
J
J
046-0107
and
you
have
a
copy
of
the
1994
HRI
or
the
form
from
the
survey
in
your
package.
That's
the
oldest
HRI.
The
address
is
nine
Bruins
Street.
As
we
all
know,
this
structure
no
longer
exists.
It
has
been
demolished
with
certain
parts
used
in
the
new
construction
permitted
by
the
town
of
Bluffton.
J
The
HRI
for
9
Bruins
Street
number
107
to
join
the
house
should
not
be
removed
from
any
of
the
surveys
because
it
was
there
in
1994,
seven,
eight
and
nineteen,
but
be
it
should
be
marked
demolished
no
longer
exist
and
it
should
not
be
a
contributing
structure.
Historic
resource
inventories
do
change
from
time
to
time
it
happens.
It
just
happened,
hasn't
happened
here,
eccentricities
was
demolished,
it's
no
longer
on
the
contributing
structure
list
as
an
example,
and
that
was
some
maybe
10
years
ago,
as
HPC
members.
J
It
is
your
responsibility
to
maintain
a
correct
list
of
contributing
structures.
Therefore,
I'm
asking
you
to
verify
that
survey
number
107
that
and
the
real
number
is
zero.
Four
six
dash
zero
one,
zero.
Seven,
it's
the
join
the
house.
It
is
not
contributing
because
it
is
no
longer
in
the
historic
resource
inventory.
The
join
a
house
is
gone
survey
number
zero.
Four
six-0107
should
be
marked
on
its
form.
The
HRI
form
no
longer
exists,
no
longer
contributing
no
longer
part
of
the
Bluffton
historic
resource
inventory
I.
Thank
you.
I
Commissioners,
ladies
and
gentlemen
of
the
Bluffton
historical
preservation,
commission,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
address
you
today.
My
name
is
Robert
Jones
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
historic
Bluffton
foundation
and
I
live
at
22
Bridal
Path
Lane
in
Bluffton,
just
for
you
for
knowledge,
I
have
both
a
degree
in
history
and
a
master's
in
historic
preservation.
I
Just
to
let
you
know
where
I'm
speaking
from
I
stand
before
you
today
to
emphasize
the
critical
importance
of
preserving
the
Integrity
of
our
historic
district,
particularly
by
advocating
against
the
movement
of
listed
structures
even
within
the
same
lot.
Us
our
listed
structures
are
not
just
physical
artifacts.
There
are
windows
into
our
past,
carrying
with
them
the
stories,
craftsmanship
and
Architectural
Heritage
of
our
community.
When
we
relocate
these
structures,
we
disrupt
the
very
essence
that
defines
our
historic
districts.
I
The
Integrity
of
these
districts
is
a
delicate
balance
and
any
altercation,
especially
the
physical
movement
of
the
structure,
threatens
that
balance.
Moving
a
listed
structure
even
on
the
same
lot
can
have
far-reaching
consequences.
It
Alters
the
context
in
which
the
building
was
originally
placed,
affecting
its
relationship
with
neighboring
structures
and
the
overall
streetscape.
I
Such
actions
lead
to
the
loss
of
historical
accuracy
and
diminish
the
charm
that
draws
residents
and
visitors
alike
to
our
historic
areas.
Furthermore,
it's
not
just
about
bricks
and
mortar,
it's
about
preserving
the
sense
of
place
and
the
atmosphere
that
makes
our
historic
district,
unique
authenticity
and
Ambiance
of
these
areas
are
what
set
them.
Apart
from
the
modern
world.
I
Moving
a
structure
arose
that
authenticity
and
disrupts
the
historical
narrative
we
all
cherish.
We
must
carefully
consider
the
long-term
consequences
of
movement
listed
structures,
while
change
in
development
are
inevitable.
We
all
know
that
we
must
ensure
that
our
commitment
to
preserving
historical
Integrity
of
our
district
remains
unwavering.
I
Let
us
remember
that
our
past
enriches
our
present
and
shapes
our
future
by
protecting
the
historical
context
of
our
structures.
We
honor
the
Heritage
that
makes
Bluffton
so
special.
This
brings
me
to
the
Joyner
Cottage.
The
foundation
believes
that
the
Joyner
Cottage
should
be
removed
from
the
list
of
locally
contributing
structures
due
to
its
recent
deconstruction
and
relocation,
making
it
no
longer
eligible
for
preservation
within
its
original
context.
L
Those
of
you
all
who
have
not
had
the
pleasure
to
introduce
myself
to
yet
because
we
do
have
a
community
members
on
HBC,
I'm,
Richard,
silver
Bruce
with
think
about
it,
for
us
Liberation
new
service
attorneys
for
the
town
of
Bluffton.
But
we
are
here
today
serving
as
attorneys
for
the
HPC
and
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
y'all
may
have
according
to
the
process
procedure
or
the
conduct
of
this
meeting.
L
So
there
is
a
rules
procedure
for
the
HBC
and
how
to
follow
on
these
applications,
not
particularly
the
removal
of
a
contributing
structure
but
just
general
applications,
and
so
after
staff
presentation.
We
should
allow
the
applicant
to
present
and
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
You
may
direct
to
staff
and
or
the
applicant
as
you
all
see
fit.
M
M
Well,
let
me
go
back
to
what
Joni
said.
The
house
was
originally
a
Circa
in
18
1930
structure
on
a
different
lot
on
our
current
lot
and
because
the
data
that
was
done
for
all
four
of
those
historic
resource
inventories
applied
to
the
original
structure
from
1930.
that
designation
belonged
to
that
structure.
M
It
cannot
be
transferred
to
a
new
structure
on
the
same
lot.
What
we
have
is
not
reconstruction.
We
went
through
a
whole
gamut
of
back
and
forth
the
last.
The
first
meeting
that
we
went
to
that
that
was
at
Rehabilitation
was
it
reconstruction?
Was
it
new
construction?
Was
it
you
know
whatever
so
reconstruction?
Let
me
just
reread
what
was
read
at
that
meeting.
Both
of
these
the
department
of
the
Interior
standards
for
reconstruction
and
I
read
this
at
the
the
July
first
meeting
we
had
with
HPC.
M
Ours
was
still
standing
landscape,
building,
structure
or
object
for
the
purpose
of
replicating
its
appearance
at
a
specific
period
of
time
and
in
the
historic
location
we
moved
it,
we
didn't
move
it
and
I'm
going
to
explain
that
the
new
we
have
newly
constructed
the
Joiner
house
in
a
different
location
on
the
property
so
as
to
have
more
connectivity
to
the
neighborhood.
The
Reconstruction
standards
established
a
limited
framework
for
recreating
a
vanished
or
non-surviving
building
with
new
materials,
primarily
for
interpretive
purposes.
M
Now
down
at
the
bottom,
I
did
speak
to
somebody
at
shippo
who
gave
me
the
preservation
hotline
number
10
under
can
new
buildings
be
built
in
local,
historic,
Districts,
The
Following
new
construction
is
encouraged
to
be
compatible
with
the
existing
district
and
yet
distinct,
so
that
residents
and
visitors
alike
can
tell
it
is
a
21st
century
Edition
or
building
I
believe
we
have
fulfilled
that
recommendation.
Now,
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
my
original
notes,
which
were
we
were
issued,
we
were.
We
were,
we
were
dealing
with
two
structures
in
the
minds
of
the
Town.
M
One
was
the
original
Joiner
house.
Then
there
was
new
construction.
When
we
asked
to
move
it,
we
got
issued
a
new
permit,
a
new
building
permit,
which
we
had
to
follow
code
for
new
buildings
that
that
limited,
the
the
the
the
status
of
it
being
a
contributing
structure,
because
it's
a
new
building.
Now
we
were
asked
to
take
and
use
as
much
of
the
original
fabric
as
we
could
from
the
original
property,
which
we
did.
M
M
We
got
an
email
from
Richard,
Spruce,
Chief,
Building
official
on
January
30th
2023,
which
stated
the
look
is
historic.
Fire
and
Life
Safety
must
meet
new
construction,
because
this
is
new
construction.
I
understand
that
all
windows
will
be
new
while
foundation
and
framing
is
new.
All
mechanical
electrical
plumbing
will
be
new.
This
is
new
construction
made
to
look
historic
as
much
as
possible.
Definitely
no
stop
work
at
this
time.
Just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
of
issues
that
could
hold
you
up
in
the
future.
M
The
HPC
on
June
7
2023
approved
the
current
windows
that
we
were
that
were
installed
and
I.
Don't
think
I
need
to
rehash
exactly
what
went
on
with
that,
but
you
approved
the
windows
that
are
in
there
now
on
June
21st
2023.
We
were
issued
our
certificate
of
occupancy.
If
there
were
any
issues
about
anything
that
we
had
done
inappropriately
or
anything,
we
would
not
have
been
issued
our
certificate
of
appropriateness.
M
What
I
want
you
to
know
is
that
that
I
also
spoke
to
Antonio
Aguilar
at
the
National
Park
Service,
who
covers
the
state
of
South
Carolina
when
I
asked
him
about
the
Joiner
project.
More
specifically,
due
to
our
appeal
for
the
windows.
This
is
how
this
came
up
for
me
to
petition
to
ask
to
have
it
removed.
He
said
if
it
came
before
us,
we
would
deny
it
for
tax
credits
as
it's
no
longer
a
contributing
structure,
as
its
historical
Integrity
no
longer
exists.
M
He
stressed
that
just
because
you
use
some
components
from
the
original
structure
doesn't
make
it
historic
to
the
contrary.
It
is
a
newly
constructed
structure
that
is
made
to
look
old
by
using
some
of
the
original
elements.
Further,
he
stated
that
new
construction
does
not
qualify
as
a
contributing
structure
to
a
district.
What
you
have
now
is
a
non-contributing
structure
in
a
historic
district.
You
will
still
have
oversight
on
our
property
by
it
being
in
the
historic
district.
So
that's
not
going
to
be
taken
away
from
your
purview.
M
What
I'm
asking
is
it's
not
a
contributing
structure
if
we
attach
the
contributing
structure
status
to
the
new
building
that
we
have
sitting
there
now
we're
creating
a
false
sense
of
History?
It's
not
it's,
not
the
1930
jointer
house
that
got
listed
based
on
that
that
those
recommendations
back
in
1996.
M
It
said:
I
wanted
the
pages
to
be
stamped,
that
the
original
structure
no
longer
exists
and
that
people
like
me
who
do
this
research
for
a
living,
would
be
able
to
come
and
look
and
see
the
original
photographs
and
information
that
was
used
for
a
building
that
no
longer
stands
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
that
I
wasn't
asking
to
have
it
removed
and
taken
out.
So
to
answer
your
question:
why
do
I
want
it
removed?
That's?
Why?
M
C
Ask
another
sure:
okay,
when
we
approved
the
moving,
what
word
did
we
use
Rehabilitation
reconstruction?
What
word
did
we
put
on
that
because
to
me
it's
going
to
open
up
Pandora's
Box
that
we
allowed
you
to
move
this
historic
structure,
and
now
it's
not
historic.
It's
gone
so
we
might
as
well
have
demolished
it
well
that.
N
O
D
O
We
went
to
Great
Lanes,
we
could
have
moved
it
to
another
lot
so
not
to
not
to
so.
Why
is
because
either
something
is
historic
or
it
isn't.
It
can't
be
both
and
we
can't
rationalize
with
ourselves
to
call
something
something
that
it
isn't.
Our
objective
here
is
to
keep
it
as
beautiful
as
it
is
and
have
you
have
oversight?
We
don't
plan
to
do
anything
else,
but
you
have
overset
over
this
I'll
stop
and
answer
questions.
C
M
C
M
I
agree
with
you
and
I
empathize
believe
me
I.
This
is
not
something
that
I
wanted
to
do
and
I'm
not
doing
it
out
of
spite
or
for
anything
the
reason
I'm
doing.
This
is
because
I
am
a
purist
I
work
in
this
environment
every
day
and
for
me
to
to
be
able
to
go
home
and
know
that
we
did
not
attach
the
designation
from
the
original
structure
to
here,
because
it
can't
you
cannot
transfer
a
designation
and
the
structure.
M
That's
there
now
you
you
would
you
would
have
to
redesignate
that
structure
and
get
Town
Council
to
approve
it
as
a
new
as
a
new
contributing
structure
and
it
won't
qualify
because
it
doesn't
meet
the
criteria.
So
to
answer
your
question
about
about,
if
this
was
such
a
big
issue
going
from
that
meeting
to
where
we
are
today,
we
had
Ample
Ample
emails
going
back
and
forth
with
Town
staff.
M
We
got
a
certificate
of
occupancy
for
this,
so
that
that
told
us
that
we
did
everything
that
we
were
supposed
to
do
and
meet
the
criteria
for
what
we
were
said
to
do.
If
there
was
an
issue
with
this
language
with
reconstruction,
Rehabilitation
replication,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
then
something
should
have
been
told
to
us.
Then
well.
O
And
the
reality
is,
there
was
it's
just
that
was
a.
There
was
a
there
was
an
in,
and
this
is
learning
I
mean
really
I
mean
I.
I'm
I
have
a
lot
in
my
head
that
we've
learned
here.
There
was
not
a
it's
about
learning.
It
was
not
a
clean
hand-off
from
our
mindset
to
the
new
building
department
mindset
building
got,
it
is
new.
O
It
was
a
mindset
here
and
we
were
dealing
with
two
organizations
with
mindsets
and
new
construction.
One,
that's
what
it
is
I
mean.
That's
I,
I
think
I
think
if
we
rebuilt
it
on
the
same
site
on
the
same
piece
of
land,
you
could
rationalize
that
still
a
contributing
resource,
but
it's
I
I
really
think
that
I.
M
Really
think
well
just
to
add,
and
then
I
I
think
I've
covered
everything
I
wanted
to.
This
was
the
building
permit
that
was
put
on
the
property
from
the
building
official
and
under
the
description
of
work.
This
is
what
we
were
told.
We
had
to
do
single
story
structure
to
replace,
replace
existing
historic
structure
on
site,
New,
Foundation,
Framing
and
mechanical
systems,
exterior
siding,
trim,
brick
Roofing
from
existing
structure
to
be
used
to
clad
new
structure.
Historic
windows
and
doors
are
to
be
reused
in
new
structure.
M
To
the
greatest
attempt
practical,
we
tried
to
maintain
the
historic
Integrity
of
the
structure,
so
we
had
to
work
with
this,
so
we
couldn't
reconstruct
and
do
because
we
were
told
it's
a
new
construction,
so
I
think
the
problem
is
we
had
we
were.
We
were
being
handled
by
two
different
entities,
which
is
the
one
that
watches
over
the
contributing
structures
and
then
the
building
official,
who
said
it
has
to
be
code
and
I,
don't
know
how.
O
K
C
Historically
different,
no,
that's
not
a
historic
building
to
start
with
the
construction
I
understand
completely.
That
is,
it
is
now
new
construction.
You
had
to
meet
code,
I,
get
it
I'm,
just
very
disappointed
and
I'm
sorry
that
I
voted.
It
was
okay
to
move
it
because
we
have
just
lost
a
historic
structure
in
Bluffton.
M
I
I
agree
with
you
a
wholeheartedly
I
know
the
2019
survey
identified
142
new
structures
that
could
be
included.
There's
that's
something
that
we
could
be
working
on.
I.
You
know,
there's
there's
it
this
is.
This
was
a
unique
situation,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
you
can
use
that
status.
That
went
with
that
house
to
this
one
right.
N
If
I'm,
if
I
mean
I,
think
there's
also
a
concern
to
what
you
were
speaking
about
earlier,
Eugene
is
about
the
future
and
honestly,
what
you've
done
with
that
house
is
marvelous.
You
walk
by
it
and
you
see
like
a
character
of
like
a
refreshed
version
of
like
the
history
of
culture
and
7
500
years
from
now.
N
O
I
I
can
only
say
two
things,
I
understand
and
there's
an
issue
here,
because
there's
people
watching
saying
how
can
I,
maneuver
and
I
understand
that
and
I
don't
want
that
and
we
didn't
intend
to
do
it.
The
second
thing
is:
there's
a
reality
here.
I
really
think
there's
reality
here:
it's
not
historic
expression
and
I'm
sure
that
when
the
National
Park
Service
hears
about
the
associate
or
somebody's
going
to
say
your
credibility
is
gone.
You
just
can't
do
it.
So
to
me
this
is
learning.
At
least
we've
got
a
wonderful
building.
O
At
least
we've
got
a
wonderful
building
and
it
looks
good
and
we
are-
we
are
Shepherds
of
this
and
we
have
no
plans
to
sell
it,
but
it'll
happen
I'm
going
to
go
to
heaven
I'm
going
to
go
to
my,
and
this
will
go
to
the
kids
or
something
I
think
the
learning
here
is:
what
are
we
going
to
do
about
the
others?
What
are
we
going
to
do?
O
What
are
we
going
to
do
because
there's
some
and
I
don't
want
to
talk
about
the
names,
but
there's
buildings
in
this
town
that
are
falling
apart
every
day
and
you
know,
what's
going
to
happen,
the
same
thing's
going
to
come
to
you
or
they're,
going
to
move
them
and
we
have
to
get
our
arms
around
this.
We
don't
have
to
have
another
one
of
these.
G
M
No
I
I
mean
no
I
mean
that's.
That's
all
we
can't
do
anymore,
except
to
say
that
you
know
if
you
keep
the
contributing
structure
status
on
this
new
building,
then
we're
setting
it
sending
a
false
sense
of
history
on
this
Pro
on
this
property,
because
that's
not
at
least
that's
not
what
the
HRI
forms
are
representing,
and
anybody
that
comes
in
and
looks
at
those
original
HRI
forms
that
was
done
on.
That
house
is
going
to
realize
it's
not
the
same
house
when.
N
M
Me
until
I
had
to
come
before
you
for
the
windows
and
then
I
had
to
research.
The
windows
to
understand
are
they
appropriate,
which
I
knew
they
were
but
I
had
to?
Let
you
understand
why
they
were
appropriate
and
we
all
I,
don't
think
you
were
on
the
board
at
that
time.
So
it
was
during
that
research
that
I
was
reaching
out
to
anybody
and
everybody
in
the
preservation.
M
World
colleagues,
you
name
it
I
called
them,
and
that's
when
I
got
a
hold
of
Antonio
Aguilar
after
I
had
watched
a
lecture
that
his
his
colleague
did
in
the
same
in
the
same
Department
on
replacement
windows
and
what's
appropriate.
So
when
I
talked
to
to
John
sander,
then
he
told
me
to
talk
to
you
hi
Antonio
Antonio's,
the
one
that
told
me
it
can't
be.
M
It
can't
be
a
contributing
structure
anymore,
so
it
wasn't
until
then
we
had
no,
no
I
wasn't
going
anywhere
with
this,
but
when
he
told
me
that
then
me
as
a
as
a
preservationist
who
works
in
this
field
on
a
regular
basis
every
day,
you
know
what
I've
done
in
town
I've
done.
The
Garvin
house,
I've
done
Campbell
Chapel
I've
done
burnt,
Church
Distillery
I've
I'm,
not
a
hater
of
preservation.
M
If
this
is
more
of
a
technical
thing
that
I
had
I
had
to
once,
I
knew
what
what
Antonio
told
me
I
could
not
sit
back
and
allow
it
to
stay.
It's
our
conscience,
so
I
hope
you
understand.
That's
where
I'm
coming
from
that
that
it's
nothing
other
than
a
technicality
that
I
just
I
I
have
a
hard
time
with
and
I
work
with
hris
and
these
historic
surveys
on
a
regular
basis.
M
I
did
the
one
in
our
own
town,
getting
it
updated
in
2008.,
I'm,
currently
sitting
on
a
historic
preservation
commission
for
the
town
of
Ridgefield
Connecticut,
we're
updating
our
historic
resource,
inventory,
I,
don't
even
live
in
their
town,
so
I'm
familiar
with
them,
so
it
was
coming
from
a
preservationist.
In
me
he
was
a
purist
and
and
that's
why,
but
it
wasn't
until
the
very
end.
C
L
You're
ready
to
start
getting
into
your
discussion
and
you're
all
you're
finished
with
the
applicant
and
the
staff.
Any
questions
you
may
have
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
kind
of
give
you
an
overview
of
what
your
responsibilities
are
tonight.
Some
of
the
things
that
I've
heard
pencil
knows
but
I'll
wait
until
y'all
finish
with
the
applicant's
presentation.
Does
anybody
else
have
questions.
M
P
D
D
O
Different,
maybe
I
would
maybe,
because
our
objectives
are
not
to
have
this
removed
as
a
contributing
resource.
We
kind
of
got
there
and
know
he's
a
black
and
white
person,
and
she
deals
with
people
that
your
credibility,
I
think
we
have
learned
something
and
I
won't
take
the
time,
because
it's
been
said,
this
isn't
about
anything
else.
I
won't
go
there.
We
have
learned
some.
O
We
have
to
protect
these
resources
and
be
thoughtful
and
think
ahead
partner
with
these
owners
before
they
make
their
mind
up
in
the
economics
are
set.
If
we
don't
get
ahead
of
this
as
a
town
and
identify
the
next
six
or
seven
structures
that
this
may
happen
to
then
from
a
legal
standpoint,
we're
going
to
be
locked,
we
got
to
get
ahead
of
this.
C
O
Town
has
the
resources
to
do
this.
This
is
not
a
massive
undertaking,
there's
10
or
12
of
these
houses.
We
should
appoint
a
person
say
your
job
is
to
make
sure
that
these
things
are
preserved
on
site
to
the
degree
we
can.
If
we
don't
do
that,
the
law
and
the
inertia
is
going
to
drive
this
to
people
who
might
not
have
the
same
motive
as
million
I
mean.
M
The
last
thing,
I
have
to
say
I
promise
is
that
I'm
going
to
go
sit
out,
would
I
do
anything
differently,
I,
don't
think
I
would
and
I'll
tell
you
why
fun
on
July
7,
no
July
9th,
we
had
45
Joyner
descendants
come
and
do
a
blessing
of
the
house.
Antoinette
Joyner
is
a
reverend
Antonette
Joiner
bless
the
house
and
they
all
came
and
I
have
a
photograph
of
all
of
them
sitting
on
the
side
porch.
M
That
was
probably
the
most
wonderful
aspect
of
everything
that
we've
been
through
is
to
see
them
come
in
this
house.
Knowing
it's
new,
knowing
it's
new
and
have
Walter
Williams
say
that
was
my
bedroom
was
or
Vivian
Joyner,
saying,
I
I,
cleaned
dishes
and
did
laundry
back
there
in
the
kitchen.
That's
the
master
bedroom.
Now
those
memories
are
still
in
this
house
in
a
different
way.
M
So
did
we
do
what
we
wanted
to
do?
Yes,
we
promised
Dorothy
Singleton
that
we
would
honor
her
Legacy
and
her
daughter,
her
daughter
in
Bernie.
So
if
I
did
anything
wrong,
I'm
Sorry
by
opening
up
this
Pandora's
box,
but
I
will
I
will
not
say
that
I
would
change
anything
not
after
that
day.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
L
So
tonight
y'all
have
the
ability
to
either
vote
to
recommend
that
this
be
removed
as
a
contributing
structure
to
top
Council,
where
you
can
to
recommend
that
and
not
be
so.
Ultimately,
that
is
your.
Your
responsibility
is
to
make
determination.
That's
the
recommendation
to
be
submitted
to
Town
Council,
just
a
just
a
few
quick
things,
because
there
are
some
confusing
aspects
of
this
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
moving
Parts.
It's
just
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
additional
context.
L
L
P
N
A
K
N
P
Everything
inside
of
the
skin,
which
is
what
they
did,
needs
to
have
all
the
tie,
downs
and
be
modern
construction
for
Hurricane
protection
and
things
like
that,
whereas
when
you
move
a
structure,
you're
kind
of
treating
the
foundations
that
way
and
maybe
doing
some
edits
on
the
inside
through
the
wall,
but
it's
kind
of
sort
of
two
different
things
and
I,
you
know
Richard's
comments.
Don't
surprise
me.
A
C
I
see
this
happening
then
I
see
dear
tongue
is
going
to
come
to
us
next
year.
Saying
oh,
this
new
new
construction,
it
just
we're
losing
what
makes
Bluffton
Bluffton
and
I
don't
understand
by
taking
I
understand
that
it's
new
and
it's
no
longer
a
contribute
and
structure,
but
a
percentage
of
it
is
still
it
there's
a
percentage
and
you
get
the
feeling
that
joiners
loved
it
people
walk
by
and
feel
the
oh
I
I'm
I'm
struggling
to
understand
the
benefit
of
taking
it
off.
The
list
is
where
I'm
struggling,
I
agree.
A
I
have
trouble
with
it,
because
I
100
agree
that
I
want
to
see
it
protected
and
I
want
to
see
it
enjoy
the
benefits
of
being
a
contributing
structure,
but
by
the
definition.
It's
not
so
I'm
torn
between
Joe's
comment
where
it
is
not
technically
it's
new
construction.
So
it's
it
can't,
by
definition,
be
a
contributing
structure
even.
L
Yeah
from
a
from
a
legal
perspective,
one
of
the
main,
which
is
my
contributing
resources
in
the
historic
district,
would
be
the
HPC
and
town
council's
discretionary
or
heightened
level
of
review
for
demolition
projects,
so
in
in
theory,
as
soon
as
this
is
removed,
or
if
this
is
removed,
the
process
to
demolish
would
be
substantially
easier,
and
so
it
would
lose
that
level
of
protection
and
what
what
y'all
struggling
with
is.
Although
you
know
someone
unique
Bluffton
is
certainly
not
a
unique
consideration.
L
It's
you
know
the
it's
it's
a
paradox
that
has
been
debated
for
centuries
as
to
you
slowly
remove
and
you
have
a
plank
of
a
ship,
that's
sitting
in
the
harbor
and
as
you
remove
it,
when
does
it
become
a
new
ship?
When
does
it?
When
does
it
stop
being
the
existing
ship?
At
what
point
is
it
new
construction?
At
what
point?
Is
it
a
rehabilitation
of
an
existing
structure?
So
there
are
questions.
There
are
there's
I
from
a
legal
standpoint.
I
think
you
have
some
flexibility
and
you're
reaching
your
determination.
L
A
Is
there
anything
at
a
state
or
national
level
on
the
historic
registry
that
would,
if
we
were
to
keep
the
contributing
structure
status
and
a
national
register
took
it
off
for
the
same
reason
that
it's
not
technically,
that
it
is
new
construction,
not
an
old
structure.
Maybe
this
is
a
question
for
Glenn
absolutely.
Would
there
be
something
at
odds
there
that
would
so.
D
L
There
are
some
examples
of
relocated
structures
that
have
retained
historic
status,
but
the
applicant
foundation
and
others
are
correct-
that
once
you
begin
that
relocation
process
that
the
the
rehabilitation
process
as
well
the
reconstruction,
it's
bad,
it
does
lose
some
of
the
essential
historic
fabric
that
made
it
contributing
in
the
first
place.
The
question
is
whether
this
particular
organization,
this
particular
reconstruction-
was
such
an
extent,
at
least
in
my
opinion,
to
justify
the
removal
of
it
from
the
contributing
resource
list.
P
It's
still
a
great
building,
it's
part
of
the
fabric
of
the
town,
but
what
we're
saving
at
this
point
is
the
the
skin
and
the
aesthetic
of
the
college
that
was
there
and
the
memories
or
the
family,
but
from
a
Integrity
standpoint
and
kind
of
the
historic
register.
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
remove
it.
A
N
A
K
K
A
G
L
A
L
G
A
E
F
F
So,
as
is
stated
in
your
packet,
public
projects,
which
are
located
within
the
historic
district,
come
before
the
HPC
for
comment
prior
to
being
either
approved,
denied
or
approved
conditions
by
the
Udo
administrator
in
this
case
they're.
The
final
review
Authority,
the
application
that
we
have
before
us
tonight
is
for
improvements
to
Oyster
Factory
Park.
This
is
a
phase
two
of
a
project
that
you
have
seen
before
you,
maybe
not
this
full
Collective
board
here
when
they
did
the
parking
improvements.
F
So
this
is
the
river
on
this
side
of
your
screen
here,
and
this
is
Bridge
Street
on
this
side.
Here
this
is
Wharf
Street
and
then
the
garden
house,
it's
about
where
my
mouse
is
so.
The
previous
version
of
this
was
from
about
this
dashed
line
here,
all
the
way
towards
Bridge
Street,
where
they
reconfigured
the
parking.
What
they're
proposing
now
is
to
make
improvements
to
the
park
in
the
area
between
the
existing
Pavilion
and
the
staircase
that
leads
down
to
the
gravel
parking
lot
of
the
Oyster
Factory
Park.
F
What
they're
doing
while
it
will
have
substantial
appearance
of
improvements
is
not
really
all
that
much
they're
in
they're,
putting
back
in
stone
where
Stone
was
there
wasn't
a
crushed
oyster
rock
mix
that
was
in
there
and
they'll
be
filling
it
with
some
Limestone.
They
have
proposed
to
build
a
porch.
I
guess
is
the
most
appropriate
word
for
it
or
a
continuation
of
the
foundation,
since
this
is
just
an
open
Pavilion
that
will
be
this
portion
here
and
then
they'll
have
some
museum
style
stairs
that
go
down
into
the
open
area.
F
Here,
they're
proposing
to
put
a
wood
platform
around
the
large
Oak
in
the
center
of
the
park
and
a
small
platform
where
a
band
or
a
you
know
performer
could
set
up
where
the
performer
or
band
already
sets
up
only
now
it
will
be
a
stable
surface
for
them
there.
So
that's
a
wood
surface
there,
and
then
there
are
some
pavers
here.
Should
they
need
to
expand
Beyond?
F
They
use
a
paver
rather
than
the
poured
concrete
I.
Think
it's
the
tabia
Tabby
or
they
pull
it
in
a
little
bit
from
that
in
order
to
avoid
root
systems
as
they
need
to
in
the
field
based
on
where
those
are
so.
The
big
things
that
they're
adding
is
the
sidewalk
that
is
there
they're
currently
already
is
the
tree
and
the
and
the
stomped
down
area
that
will
be
now
wood
rather
than
just
compacted
dirt
and
they'll
be
giving
this
area
a
refresh.
F
So
the
plans
that
you
have
in
your
packet
are
accurate.
I
have
these
pictures
here,
while
these
are
not
images
of
exactly
what
will
be
there,
because
these
are
pictures,
obviously
from
elsewhere.
This
is
kind
of
an
idea
of
what
they're
looking
at
for
the
Bandstand
area.
Here,
it
will
not
be
this
large
because
it's
not
L
shape,
but
it'll
have
probably
a
one
step
up,
or
so
the
permeable
paver
style
here.
F
The
Limestone
that
you'll
see,
which
is
this
is
I,
believe
Palmetto
Bluff
that
you're
looking
at
here
in
that
picnic
area,
if
you've
ever
been
near
the
tree
house
and
then
the
steps
that
they're
proposing
near
the
existing
Pavilion
just
to
kind
of
formalize
that
area
a
bit
more
and
make
it
more
usable
for
the
special
events
that
are
there,
they
also
will
be
installing
some
power
of
pedestal
power,
pedestals
yeah.
That's
the
right
word
these
little
black
dots
down
here,
where
the
food
trucks
currently
set
up
for
special
events.
F
They
will
continue
to
do
so,
but
in
theory
that
will
reduce
some
of
the
noise
from
those
as
they'll
no
longer
need
to
use
the
generators,
but
we'll
have
a
power
source
that
is
installed
there.
So
again,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
Charles
is
here.
The
motion
that
you'll
be
making
tonight
will
be
either
a
recommendation
of
approval
or
a
recommendation
of
denial
or
recommendation
of
approval
with
conditions
and
I've
got
idea
of
what
that
motion
could
look
like
here
on
the
screen
before
you
in
a
very
formal
word
document.
F
Q
Q
Q
N
Q
So
this
is
the
main
live
oak
tree
that
that
is
kind
of
in
the
center
Oyster
Factory
today,
and
this
is
kind
of
the
outskirts
of
the
limits
of
the
decking,
if
that
makes
any
sense
there.
So
your
question
is:
will
this
Limestone
here
kind
of
creep
in
underneath
the
decking
to
the
tree
and
the
answer
to
that
will
be
no
it's
going
to
be
confined
along
this
edge
here,
so
it
won't
go
underneath
the
tree
there.
Okay.
R
K
K
Q
This
is
on
page.
Let
me
get
the
page
number
here,
I
think
it's
500,
L
500-
and
you
can
see
here
this.
This
is
a
I
think
the
tree
that
we're
referring
to
and
what
we've
designated
this
area
as
kind
of
a
rain
gardening
area
to
capture
whatever
storm
water
that
that
we're
gonna
have
to
grade
the
site
to
capture
the
storm,
water
and
store
it
on
site.
So
that's
that
area
there
and
then
we've
got
another
similar
area
planned
down
here.
P
Q
Yes,
we
are
so
as
Katie
mentioned
in
particular
I
like
this
Live
Oak
Tree
here.
One
of
the
things
we've
discussed
is
in
more
of
a
field
decision
is
to
move
the
sidewalk
in
some
to
get
it
away
from
the
base
of
the
tree
and
then
also
too
we're
going
to
go
back
to
the
landscape,
architect
and
most
likely
put
in
as
an
alternate
around
where
these
trees
are
to
put
pavers.
So
so
we
wouldn't
have
to
pour
any
site.
You
know
any
concrete,
adjacent
or
near
the
trees.
Q
A
C
A
E
F
Like
to
keep
adding
new
things,
so
you
all
don't
get
bored,
but
we
are
going
to
start
incorporating.
This
is
just
a
quick
discussion
item,
mostly
as
an
FYI
I,
probably
won't
even
discuss
it
as
in-depth
as
I
am
today,
just
because
it's
the
very
first
one,
but
this
is
a
summary
of
the
different
site
features
or
amendments
that
have
come
through
the
growth
Management
Department,
because
you
all
do
not
review
every
single
application
for
every
little
item
that
comes
through
the
historic
district
down
to
the
signs.
F
That
is
something
that
has
been
handed
off
to
staff.
To
take
care
of.
These
are
the
items
that
have
been
reviewed
and
approved
during
the
previous
month.
So
mostly
in
this
case,
it
is
signs.
So
this
is,
it
says,
Roof
Company,
sign
because
it
is
a
roof
company,
but
it's
actually
a
sign,
not
a
roof.
That's
been
redone.
There
was
a
sign
for
18,
brune,
Road
and
470
57
28
Guilford.
They
do
have
business
licenses.
They
do
meet
the
requirements
of
the
unified
development
ordinance.
F
Everything
is
good
to
go
on
there
or
we
would
not
have
approved
it,
and
then
the
last
one
is
that
the
construction
of
a
brick
Garden
Wall
to
replace
the
non-historic
wood,
picket
fence
in
front
of
82
Calhoun
Street,
was
approved
as
well.
So
those
are
the
items
in
case
you
have
questions
asked
of
you
or
you
have
questions
for
staff.
We
can
either
answer
answer
them
in
this
form
or
you
all
can
give
us
a
call,
because
this
just
gives
you
a
breakdown
of
it,
since
it's
not
really
listed
out
very
specifically
anywhere
else.
A
Yeah
is
there
any
other
discussion?
I
guess
I
just
want
to
clarify
on
the
previous
project
on
the
second
agenda
item
since
I
was
the
tying
vote,
the
sort
of
thought
their
logic
behind
it.
I
felt
that
the
protection
that
we'd
give
it
by
leaving
it
a
contributing
structure,
outweighed
the
logic
of
it
technically,
not
meeting
a
specification.