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From YouTube: Historic Preservation Commission Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 6:00 PM Theodore D. Washington
Description
Historic Preservation Commission meeting agenda can be found here: https://bluffton-sc.municodemeetings.com/
A
Six
o'clock
and
I
I
made
fun
of
Carrie
all
the
time,
make
sure
that
it
said
six
o'clock
on
the
medium.
A
So
we're
here
to
call
the
order
if
we
can
have
a
roll
call.
Please,
chairman.
A
By
the
way,
today
is
Wednesday,
June
7th
and
it's
six
o'clock.
We
are
at
the
historic
preservation,
Commission
meeting
notice
regarding
adjournment.
The
historic
preservation
commission
will
not
hear
new
items
after
9
30
unless
authorized
by
a
majority
vote
of
the
council
members
present
items
which
not
have
been
heard
before
9
30
maybe
continue
to
the
next
regular
meeting
or
special
meeting
day
and
is
determined
by
the
commission
members
notice
regarding
public
comments.
A
Every
member
of
the
public
who
has
recognized
to
speak
shall
address
the
chairman
and,
in
speaking,
avoid
disrespect
to
commission
staff
and
other
members
of
the
meeting
state.
Your
name
and
address
when
speaking
for
the
record
comments
are
limited
to
three
minutes
and
that's
time
to
vicaria.
So
when
you
hear
the
buzzer
goes
off,
that
means
it's
time
to
step
down.
A
Looks
like
we
have
the
adoption
of
the
agenda.
We
have
a
new
item
here
and
it's
called
civility
pledge.
So
we
pledge
to
build
stronger
and
more
prosperous
Community
by
advocating
for
civil
engagement,
respecting
others
and
their
viewpoints
and
finding
solutions
for
the
betterment
of
the
town
of
Bluffton.
A
D
A
A
E
Good
evening,
thank
you
for
having
these
three
minutes
for
us.
I'm
gonna
address
two
items,
and
the
first
is
the
Campbell
Chapel
for
the
past
year
and
a
half
I
had
sat
on
the
historic
Chapel
Board
of
directives
in
this
capacity,
I've
contributed
to
much
of
the
planning
and
drawings
done
by
Mr,
McGee
and
Stat,
and
his
stat.
These
plans
have
been
a
work
in
progress
for
several
years,
and
tonight
we
see
your
improvement
please.
E
After
reading
the
entire
packet
on
the
chapel
I
am
so
happy
to
see
that
town
staff
supports
approval
being
one
of
the
left,
hand's
oldest
structures.
It
is
very
important
to
the
community
and
more
important
that
the
entire
Community
will
have
access
to
this
rehabilitated
historic
chapter,
so
I
urge
you,
members
of
the
historic
preservation
commission,
to
join
staff
and
staff
with
your
approval.
Thank
you.
The
second
is
the
join
us,
so
we
start
three
minutes
over
again
correct
yeah.
E
Having
read
the
entire
package,
the
following
are
my
observations.
What
was
this
piece?
Okay?
Thank
you.
It
was
a
long
packet
too.
E
E
E
A
A
F
Okay,
thank
you
I'm
for
those
that
don't
know
me:
I'm,
Heather,
Cole
and
I'm,
one
of
the
assistant
Town
managers
over
planning
and
projects
and
as
such,
one
of
my
duties
is
the
Udo
administrator.
So
and
that's
what
appeals
ultimately
are
under
the
purview
of
the
video
administrator
myself,
so
why
this
item
is
before
you
today,
so
it
is
as
part
of
the
Kofa
that
was
approved
for
this
structure.
Several
months
ago
there
was
various
things
approved.
The
one
we're
talking
about
tonight
is
simply
the
windows.
F
F
So
and
staff
is
familiar
with
that
Marvin
style
window.
That
has
been
a
consistent
material
or
excuse
me
a
consistent
window
specification
that
has
been
used
for
replacement
windows
of
for
contributing
structures,
as
well
as
other
structures
than
the
historic
district.
So
that
is
a
window
that
we
are
familiar
with,
which
is
why
that
was
approved
fast
forward
to
an
inspection
on
site.
It
was
discovered
that
it
wasn't
the
Marvel
Marvin
window.
It
was
up
a
pillow
window,
a
pedal,
a
specified
window.
F
That
was
something
that
we
had
not
reviewed
or
approved
as
part
of
the
process
and
as
the
Udo
administrator
I
was
not
com,
we
were
not
comfortable
making
that
decision.
So
ultimately
we
had
to
fail
that
inspection,
which
is
why
it
is
an
appeal
so
why
things
are
a
little
bit
different,
which
is
why
it's
an
appeal,
because
it's
not
that
Marvin
felt
that
it
was
a
big
enough
deviation
that
it
was
something
that
wanted
to
bring
back
to
this
commission
for
your
approval
and
consideration
again.
F
This
is
not
a
window
that
we
are
a
window
specified
that
we're
familiar
with
or
have
approved
in
the
past.
So,
as
you
know,
any
material
deviation
typically
comes
to
you
all
typically
comes
to
you
all
before
it
is
installed
so
again
didn't
quite
follow
the
process
that
has
been
acknowledged
by
the
appellant,
which
is
fine.
But
again,
that's
before
you
tonight,
so
really
what
your
decision
is,
whether
or
not
not
Hello
window
the
specified
pillow
window
and
there
are
different
types
of
Pella
windows.
F
So,
yes,
there
are
some
things,
probably
in
the
staff
report
where
some
Pella
Windows
may
not
be
appropriate.
Other
specifications
is
Pella
may
be
appropriate,
but
that
is
ultimately
the
purview
of
this
commission.
So
really
it's
it's
I,
don't
want
to
say
as
simple
as
that.
This
is
a
big
characteristic
on
a
building,
but
that's
really
the
decision
before
you
I,
don't
have
a
formal
presentation.
There's
the
window.
Specifications
in
your
packet
I
can
pull
those
up.
A
I'm
looking
for
some
guidance
here
applicant
or
the
I'm,
sorry,
what
is
the
proper
terminology
for
Mr
Marx.
A
Okay,
is
he
able
to
also
talk
yes
and
I?
Guess
could
I
ask
some
questions
here.
A
C
C
The
reason
that
you
have
independent
Council
here
at
most
of
your
meetings,
but
in
particular
this
meeting
is
because
you
will
be
operating
in
a
what's
known
as
a
quasi-judicial
capacity,
you're
here
on
an
appeal
of
Staff,
a
staff
determination,
staff
determination
that
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
HD
that
was
conditionally
approved
by
HPC
back
in
the
early
parts
of
2023.
If
I
recall
correctly,
there
was
a
violation
due
to
the
windows
and
obviously
staff
and
the
appellant
will
present
their
positions
on
that.
Our
role
here
is
to
provide
legal
guidance
to
you.
C
Should
any
questions
arise.
Your
Role
is
to
make
a
determination
as
to
whether
there
was
an
error
in
the
determination
and
the
staff
determination
that
there
was
a
violation
of
the
Kofa
HD
or
the
violation
of
the
UDA.
So
that's
really
Your
Role
Your
Role
is
to
analyze
the
facts
and
sit
almost
as
the
as
the
judges.
You
are
going
to
be
the
finders
of
fact,
and
you
are
going
to
make
the
conclusions
of
the
law
as
they
are
presented
to.
C
You
will
ultimately
put
that
all
together
in
a
final
document
that
will
be
submitted
in
order,
but
here
tonight
it
is
your
obligation
to
make
a
decision
based
on
the
information
presented
by
the
staff
and
the
applicant.
The
process
will
typically
be
a
presentation
by
the
appellant
which
would
be
Mr.
Marks
staff
would
do
their
presentation
and
then
a
rebuttal
by
staff.
What
what
staff
has
done
is
provided
a
has
gone
ahead
and
they
presented
their
case.
C
A
G
C
The
the
reason
I
brought
up
that
typically
the
appellant
will
go.
First,
is
because
the
burden
of
proof
tonight
is
on
the
appellant,
so
the
appellant
has
has
the
burden
of
proof
to
carry
that.
It
is
more
likely
than
not
that
he
is.
He
is
correct
in
his
position
and
that's
the
reason
that
the
appellant
will
usually
go
first.
The
reason
that
staff
has
gone
first
in
this
context
is
because
your
rules
of
procedure
state
that
staff
should
go
first,
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
confusion,
because
HPC
does
not
usually
hear
administrative
appeals.
C
That
usually
is
in
the
that's,
usually
within
the
realm
of
the
board
of
zoning
appeals,
but
because
this
is
specifically
about
historic
district
design
standards,
South
Carolina
law
and
our
Udo
invest
the
HPC
with
the
power
to
hear
this
particular
appeal,
and
this.
If
I
recall
correctly,
this
may
be
the
first
appeal.
I
think
you
all
have
heard
and
years.
So,
if
you
have
any
questions
I'm
here
for
you,
if
not
I
will
sit
quietly
and
take
notes.
Thank
you.
A
So
I
take
it
marks.
If
you
could
step
forward
and.
A
H
Purchased
the
during
the
property
and
Melanie
can't
be
with
us
today,
she's
up
in
Cleveland
with
the
grandkids
and
the
dog
actually
down.
Yesterday
we
had
other
long-term
plans
and
she
couldn't
make
it
I
wish.
You
could
because
she's
an
expert
in
this.
But
let
me
let
me
just
start-
am
I
okay,
talking
I
feel
like
I'm
like
pushed
off
no.
A
I,
don't
want
this
to
be,
you
know,
causing
a
situation,
so
it
would
be
best
if
we
just
waited
until
this
has
come
back
up
and
then
that
way,
more
of
a
relaxed
that'd
be
great.
A
H
C
Know
just
for
the
record
if
we
can
make
sure
that
anybody
who
is
presenting
or
speaking,
speaks
directly
in
the
microphone
just
in
case
there
is
a
need
to
appeal
this
about
what
side
or
the
other.
What
will
be
required
to
do
is
provide
a
record
of
that
appeal
and
that
usually
will
come
out
in
a
written
form.
So
very.
H
H
I
I
was
so
can
I
just
get
that
done
and
talk
about
the
windows
because
it's
windows,
but
it's
it
is
a
little
more
than
that.
So
let
me
start
with
the
windows.
Show
you
the
windows
and
then
I'd
like
to
explain
how
I
got
here
we
got
here
because
context
is
important,
I
think
there's,
maybe
some
misconceptions
around
motives
and
so
forth.
H
So
if
you're,
okay,
I'll
move
over
there
and
show
you
the
windows
Baseline
that
I'll
add
some
context
and
then
I
think
I
can
take
breaks
in
this
I
I
know:
there's
process
I'm
the
kind
of
person
millionaire
the
kind
of
person
that
we
want
to
communicate,
I
hate
to
go
through
15
minutes
of
talk
when
you've
got
10
questions
and
I
Don't
Mind
questions,
because
this
is
about
communicating.
So
if
I'll
leave
it
up
to
you
Richardson
but
I'd.
C
H
H
I
I
have
the
full
I,
have
the
full
pillar,
and
only
half
all
I
could
get
from
Martin
was
the
section
so
microphone
again,
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
so
dip.
Let
me
start
with
the
Marvin.
Now
the
Marvin
respect
Marvin's
a
fine
window.
I
mean
it's
in
my
personal
house.
I
just
put
it
in
Marvin
is
a
fine
window.
It's
a
fine
manufacturer.
The
distributor
here
is
wonderful.
This
is
a
fiberglass
and
it
is
used
a
lot.
This
is
a
fiberglass,
it's
a
fiberglass
window
that
they
put
faux
bow
decorative
wood
on
the
inside.
H
H
H
H
A
H
Don't
come
out
they're
permanently
fixed
they're
snap
in
and
then
there's
what's
called
simulated
divided
lights,
which
is
in
the
Udo.
These
are
simulated,
divided
lights,
permanently
fixed
permanently
fixed,
there's,
nothing!
There's
not
one
piece
of
vinyl
on
this
window
and
I
I,
don't
know
how
you
can
think.
There's
anyone,
because
there's
stickers.
H
Yes,
they're
they're
wood
windows
with
pellet
stickers,
with
industry
standards
that
Richard
Spruce
looks
at
gotta,
be
there
I
can't
even
get
a
house
approved.
It
says
this
is
a
Pella
lifestyle
window.
These
are
the
specifications,
and
so
it
says
that
it's
a
final
window
with
SNAP
and
muttons.
That's
used
in
track
houses.
A
H
H
A
D
H
The
wood
once
the
aluminum
goes,
it
just
has
once
the
wood
goes.
This
has
the
aluminum
wants
to
go.
This
has
significantly
infused
chemicals
so
that
this
would
because
it's
New
Growth
Pine.
It's
not
old
growth
Pine,
so
it
has
it.
If
you
don't
really
penetrate
the
chemicals
it
will
deteriorate.
So
this
is
heavily
okay.
A
D
C
H
We
we
put
all
we
put
all
the
same
Pella
exact
same
spec,
you
didn't
even
you
know.
Let
me
take
you
how
this
happened.
So
then
we
can
understand,
because
you
might
have
the
impression
I
mean
I
feel
so
sorry,
there's
so
much
more
stuff
to
do
here,
but
it's
my
day
in
court,
I
didn't
think
of
it
as
Court.
Don't
I
wish
you
didn't
say
that.
H
H
A
I
mean
what
was
passed
in
the
motion
and
necessarily
but
I.
Guess
I
guess
that's
another
question
I
need
to
ask
so
I
guess
we'll
ask
that
because
I
guess
the
whole
possibility
of
this
is
there
was
a
specific
manufacturer
mentioned
in
that
manufacturer
in
the
motion
wasn't
followed.
So
that's
where
the
whole
process
has
become
that's
my
analysis
of
what's
Happening
Here.
Yes,.
H
H
H
Wasn't
quality?
Let
me
tell
you
why
you
know
where
we
are
I'm
going
to
deviate,
because
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
others.
People
on
this
agenda
who've
waited
a
very
long
time,
because
this
really
is
to
me
to
me
it's
an
easy
decision,
but
let
me
start
this
is
how
this
whole
thing
started.
You
gave
us
you
gave
us
the
permitting
to
save
the
roof
as
much
as
we
could
save
the
siding,
save
the
trim,
I.
A
C
A
H
Going
to
use
in
traffic
by
the
way
yeah
that's
starting
to
be
an
issue
here
for
sure
I'm
gonna
jump
around
a
little
bit,
but
so
let
me
start
the
permit
we
have
you
requested.
H
H
A
Interestingly,
because
again,
I
I
put
a
lot
of
time
into
this,
but
I
noticed
that
there
was
actually
someone
from
the
town
I
just
to
acknowledge
that
is
Richard
spruce
mentioned
in
an
email
to
you
that
was
attached
to
our
packet
and
I
understand
the
windows
foundation
in
Canada.
This
is
new
construction
made
to
look
historic
as
much
as
possible.
H
Yes
and
and
Richard's
a
one
Richard
I,
don't
agree
with
Richard
all
the
time,
but
boy
is
he
direct?
Is
he
usually
right?
Is
he
clear
and
he
said
it-
it's
new
construction,
but
we
knew
that
I
mean
we
talked
about
it.
We
knew
that
so
anyway,
so
we
took,
we
took
the
old
house
down
and
I'll.
Send
you
some
pictures
of
that,
then,
according
to
the
new
agreement,
we
started
a
new
construction
not
on
the
site
is
where
the
house
was
the
lot.
H
We
moved
it
to
a
new
site,
New
Foundation,
with
peers,
new
flooring,
new
studs,
new
trusses,
new
new
hurricane
tie,
downs,
new
insulation,
new
drywall,
new
electric
new
Plumbing
yada
yada.
The
only
thing-
that's
that's
still
there
from
the
old
house
is
two-thirds
of
the
roof,
two-thirds
of
the
siding
metal,
post
header
and
some
bricks
in
design.
Well,
believe
me,
you
know
something
and
I
don't
usually
brag
or
anything,
but
that
house
looks
like
it
did
40
years
ago,
even
and
I'll
recommend
this
look
at
that.
H
H
H
These
windows
have
more
lead
paint
in
them
than
we've
ever
seen
in
a
window
and
I
say
holy
cow,
I
loaded.
These
windows
in
my
truck
I
had
white
I
thought
it
was
white.
When
I
was
a
kid.
My
dad
used
to
use
this
white
white
paint
white.
It
was
like
it
was
like
a
white
wash
and
I'm
blown
this
in
the
truck
and
I'm,
not
thinking
anything
of
it
and
the
guy
says
Eugene.
We
have
never
seen
so
much
whitewash,
lead,
paint
and
I
said.
H
There's
pictures
in
there
I
only
I
only
sent
one
I'm
like
holy
cow,
but
I
said
holy
cow
because
I
was
wondering
about
me
getting
LED,
but
the
bigger
holy
cow
was
I.
Don't
have
any
windows
ordered
this
train
is
going
down
the
station
I
got
a
new
house
over
here
and
I.
Don't
have
any
windows
ordered
so
I
call
Marvin
I,
don't
call
Marvin
element.
Does
it
and
by
the
way,
I
asked
element
not
to
come
here.
I
asked
the
Pierce
Scott
not
to
come
here.
This
is
me
these
I
I.
H
H
H
Can
you
please
tell
me
sorry:
I'm,
like
oh
I've,
got
all
this
stuff
coming
together,
I'm
trying
to
Source
new
Roofing,
because
I
needed
a
third
of
the
roofing
to
be
new
I
needed
to
have
the
right,
patina
I'm,
trying
to
get
the
right
Roofing,
the
siding,
that's
cypressiding,
I
got
a
source.
Cypressiding
I
want
the
real
thing
I'm,
not
here,
trying
to
put
bubble
gum
on
this
thing.
I
gotta
find
cypressiding
I'm
looking
for
cypressida
front
screen
door,
the
screen
door
was
shot.
I
wanted
something
with
old
historic
I
couldn't
find
anything
like
it.
H
Finally,
after
two
months,
Mel
and
I
go
down
to
Savannah,
we
find
an
old
door.
We
put
an
old
door
in
there.
I
could
have
gone
to
Home
Depot,
throwing
up
the
door.
No
I
spent
four
times
more
money
to
put
a
reclaimed
door
in
there,
because
when
you
drive
by
that-
and
you
look
at
that
front
door,
you
know
that's
not
a
Home
Depot
door
that
could
have
been
Betsy
and
bertrands
back
in
the
30s.
H
H
H
And
by
the
way,
there's
50
other
windows
out
there,
I
could
have
picked.
Sierra
Pacific
ply
gym
any
of
these.
We
went
with
Pella.
You
know
why
we
went
with
Pella.
He
was
available,
it's
the
right,
color,
it's
the
right
size,
it's
simulated,
divided
lights,
it's
double
hung
and
you
know
what
else.
Wood
windows
are
10
times
better
than
this.
They
are
darn,
quiet
and
right
there
on
that
road.
When
I
was
in
there
today,
it's
a
better
window,
quiet
and
forever
it's
going
to
be
a
wood
window.
A
H
H
H
Okay,
okay,
I
gotta
find
reclaimed
old
doors.
I
have
to
find
old
doors
for
that
house,
because
doors
are
important.
We
spent
two
months
looking
for
doors
and
I
was
sure
we'd
find
them,
because
those
doors
look
just
like
garage
doors,
I
used
to
have
in
a
house
and
my
dad
didn't
buy
expensive
doors,
so
they
had
to
be
around
someplace,
couldn't
find
them
couldn't
find
them.
You
know
what
we
did.
H
We
paid
a
local
Craftsman,
nine
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
to
replicate
those
doors
9000
and
the
only
reason
I'll
bring
them
numbers
up
is
because
I
think
there's
this
veiled
field,
cutting
Corners
saving
money,
just
like
the
other
guy
down
the
block
who
put
in
these
windows
nine
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
to
do
duplicate
doors.
If
I
wanted
to
save
money,
I
would
have
had
some
song
and
dance
around.
H
That's
stupid
money
to
pay,
and
you
know
what
we
did
when
these
things
were
done.
We
beat
them
up
to
look
reclaimed
and
look
at
those
doors,
and
you
wouldn't
know
I'm
I
was
happy
to
do
it,
but
but
you
know
reputations
and
what
people
do
and
how
they
behave
and
act
over
time
is
important
and
and
Bruce.
Let
me
finish
this
and
to
think
that
we
do
all
this
really
good
stuff,
but
in
the
darkness
of
that
we're
going
to
put
in
these
vinyl
windows.
H
H
H
Yes,
no,
if
Heather
would
have
come
to
me
in
her
letter
and
said
Eugene
beginning
and
ending
I.
I
can't
approve
this
because
it's
not
my
authority,
I'd
say
I,
disagree
with
you,
but
I
accept
it,
but
what
we
have
is
from
April
18th,
snap
and
muttons
traditional
muttons,
but
they
said
to
them.
The
the
the
Barbie
windows
were
wood,
but
then
on
the
20th
they're,
not
wood
and
on
the
20th
they
say
they
don't
know
if
the
Pella
Windows,
what
material
it
is.
You
went
through
that.
H
Know,
I,
don't
I,
don't
want
to
there's
other
things
here
that
are
that
are
actually
serious,
but
it's
peripheral
to
these
windows
and
I'm
inclined
I,
don't
I
I,
because
because
I
respect,
Heather
and
Melanie
and
I
are
not
argumentative
people
and
I
hate
doing
what
I'm
doing
here.
I
hate
it.
It's
not
part
of
Who
We
Are,
but
we
will
run
around
since
April
18th
on
these
windows.
H
Saying
there's
things
in
the
Udo
in
a
book
that
we
had
to
buy.
We
had
to
buy
this
book
because
they
represented
that
arm's
length.
Rule
is
in
the
Udo
and
it's
not
in
the
Udo.
It's
in
a
book.
We
had
to
pay
65
to
buy
the
book
and
is
represented
in
there
that
it's
in
the
Udo
and
you
folks
have
been
in
the
past,
been
said
that
this
book
has
been
referenced.
H
A
To
the
that's
HPC,
yes,
thank
you
so
Bruce.
H
A
H
A
This
you're
not
able
to
get
your
Co
I,
take
it
and
I
guess.
The
concept
that
I
need
to
find
out
is
by
what
the
town
is
saying
by
you
doing
something
that
in
if
you
could
verbally
say
what
you
said
in
writing
in
regards
to
what
happened
here
is
I.
Believe
you
made
a
mistake:
we
made
a
air.
What
was
your
apology
and
I
I
heard
from
Joni?
She
mentioned
something
so
I'm
just
looking
at
it
to
be
spoken
verbally
in
the
microphone.
If
that's,
okay,
your
apology,
oh.
H
It's
in
writing.
Yes,
I
know
it's
in
writing,
but
I'm.
Looking,
oh
no
yeah,
yes,
I
I,
just
told
you
what
happened
and
I
apologize.
I
I
mean
I
didn't
realize
it
would
be
this
torturous
because
I
have
I'm,
really
being
honest.
I
really
I
mean
there
was
no
moment
where
I
said
I'm
not
going
to
tell
them,
because
I'm
hiding
anything
I
I
looked
at
this
when
I
had
the
doors
and
everything
come
in
and
says,
I
got
what
I
need
I
got
to
order
it
I'm
going
to
order
I'm
going
to
move
forward.
H
I
I
was
hasty
from
the
legal
responsibility.
I
had
I
was
hasty
and
you
know
what
it
wasn't.
The
first
time
in
my
life,
I
would
say:
I
mean
it's
it
I'm
yeah,
I'm
pasty
sometimes
but
I
was
not
malicious.
I
was
not.
I
was
not
putting
in
a
window
that
is
not
suitable
for
this.
I
am
not
here
asking
for
you
to
approve
a
window
just
because
I
put
in
a
cheap
window,
I
think
you'll
see
that
so
I
have
to
read
this
or
else
middle
and
he's
not
going
to.
H
Let
me
come
back
to
Cleveland
and
it's
about
four
minutes.
H
As
you
know,
Melanie
sits
on
about
eight
hpcs.
She
has
around
the
country
and
I'm
sorry.
She
sits
on
one
she's
she's
been
on
age,
eight,
historic
preservation,
committees,
districts,
whatever
you
know,
they're
called
different
things
she
has
and
is,
and
so
she's
really
a
professional.
She
did
the
all
the
research
pro
bono
on
the
Garvin
gari
house
with
Aaron
and
got
a
state
award
from
McMaster
State
historic
preservation
award,
she's
the
real
deal
Mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
commission.
H
We
are
here
seeking
approval
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
Pell
lifestyle
windows
installed
in
the
new
Joiner
house.
To
reiterate
what
Eugene
said,
this
was
an
oversight
on
his
part
for
not
bringing
this
change
back
to
the
staff
for
approval
and
I
was
reprimanded
by
my
wife
too.
So
for
this
he's
EX
for
this
he's
apologized
apologize.
H
H
H
They
are
I'm
going
to
start
to
cut
this
back
a
little
bit.
Simulated,
divided
lights,
simulated,
divide
lights,
clad,
wood,
clad,
wood,
double
hung,
double
hung
in
communicating
with
37
historic
district
Commissioners
across
the
country.
It
only
has
a
lot
of
relationships
and
city
planners
on
the
criteria
they
use
to
approve
the
Pell
lifestyle
windows
are
contributing
and
non-contributing
structures.
All
stated
wood-based
frame
is
more
historically
appropriate
than
composite
material.
H
Wood
is
always
going
to
be
composite
further.
After
posing
my
concerns
regarding
the
contributing
structure
versus
new
construction
within
a
historic
district
until
Althea
Harrison
of
the
state
historic
preservation,
office,
Japan
I,
guess
that's
an
important
term.
If
you're
in
this
world
right.
Among
other
points,
she
guided
me
to
the
preservation
hotline
number
10.
Can
new
buildings
be
built
local
historic
districts?
It
stated
the
following:
new
construction
is
encouraged
to
be
compatible
with
the
existing
District,
yet
distinct,
so
that
the
residents
and
visitors
alike
can
tell
its
21st
century
building.
We
have
achieved
that.
H
The
structure
today
is
an
is
a
non-contributing
structure,
but
rat
is
not
a
non-contributing
structure,
but
rather
it
was
construction
with
us
within
a
historic
district
under
the
definition,
the
town
of
Bluffton
definition
of
a
contributing
structure
in
our
Udo.
It
states
the
complete
demolition
of
a
contributing
structure
or
removal
of
a
contributing
structure
from
the
Bluffton
historical
resource
inventory.
Shall
cause
the
structure
to
no
longer
be
considered
contributing?
H
H
We
did
not
pick
up
the
entire
structure,
as
stated
in
the
6-2
note,
and
relocate
it
to
the
other
side
of
the
lot.
In
the
denial
memo
point
one
said
we
picked
it
up.
We
didn't
that
has
to
be
cleared
in
the
record
in
this
context,
speaking
to
Antonio
Aguilar,
the
technical
preservation
Services
reviewer
for
the
National
Park
Service,
whose
Department
develops
historic
preservation,
standards
and
guidance.
I
mean
this.
This
is
these
are
people.
H
I
guess
are
like
the
real
deal
whose
Department
develops
historic
preservation,
standards
and
guidance
on
preserving
and
Rehabilitation
of
historic
buildings,
as
well
as
administering
the
federal
historic
preservation
tax
incentive
programs.
I
explained
our
situation
to
Antonio.
He
said
the
issue
at
hand
seems
to
be
the
Dilemma
between
determining
whether
your
house
is
contributing
based
on
reconstruction
or
as
new
construction.
H
The
current
structure
is
new
construction
in
a
historic
district,
given
the
original
structures
no
longer
extent.
Another
word
that
I
never
use,
but
I
guess
people
in
this
field
use
all
the
time
shouldn't
have
said
that,
because
I
lost
my
place
and
we
now
have
a
newly
constructed
building,
having
used
minimal
amount
of
the
original
fabric
from
the
original
contributing
structure,
then
this
cannot
be
deemed
a
historic
structure
anymore.
According
to
Antonio.
If
it
came
before
us,
we
would
deny
it
for
tax
credits,
as
we
would
consider
it
new
construction,
no
longer
contributing
structure.
H
If
it's
historical
Integrity
no
longer
exists
and
there's
a
point
to
this,
so
bear
with
me.
He
stressed
that
just
because
you,
some
of
the
components
from
the
original
structure
doesn't
make
it
historic
to
the
contrary.
If
a
newly
constructed
structure
that
is
made
to
look
old
by
using
some
of
the
old,
it
is
a
newly
constructed
structure,
I'll
stop
there
Joiner
home,
ceased
being
contributing
when
we
were
issued
a
new
construction
permit
and
when
much
of
the
original
fabric
was
unusable.
H
H
It
was
not
approved
for
the
historic
preservation
grant
for
historic
resources.
We
guess
the
town
at
that
time
came
to
the
conclusion.
It's
no
longer
a
historic
house
anyway,
because
we
didn't
get
a
grant.
You
see
the
grant
says
in
the
grant
wording.
The
town
is
currently
offering
historic
preservation
grant
program
to
owners
of
contributing
resources
right
in
the
old
town,
Bluffton
historic
district.
These
grants
will
serve
the
financial
to
financially
assist
in
the
preservation,
restoration
and
Rehabilitation
of
these
structures.
H
H
Pastor
Antonette
Joyner,
her
daddy,
grew
up
in
the
house.
She
lives
up
in
North
Carolina
and
sending
her
pictures
Eugene.
This
brings
tears
of
joy
to
my
eyes
and
heart.
Thank
you
for
respecting
our
family
heritage.
H
H
H
H
Everything
we
did
was
a
good
favor.
Nothing.
We
did
was
to
cut
corners
It's
a
Wonderful
project,
we're
proud
of
it.
You
can
vote
Yes
on
these
windows
because
these
windows
real
and
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
any
criticism
because
forever
we
can
say,
there's
wood
windows
in
that
house,
but
more
so
we
saved
the
legacy
of
people
who
were
darn
hard
in
this
community
and
I'm,
proud
of
that
and
Melanie's
proud
of
that.
A
Heather,
could
you
step
to
the
podium?
Is
there
I
think
we
have
some
questions
and
well,
first
of
all,
I
guess
maybe
I
want
to
ask
the
commission.
Is
there
any
questions
that
you'd
like
to
ask
Mr
Mark
before
he
sits
down
Mr.
C
Chairman
just
from
a
process,
standpoint
yeah,
my
preference
would
be
to
allow
to
follow
the
process
as
much
as
possible.
Okay,
allow
the
penalties
to
be
staff
to
provide
their
position
and
then
and
appellant
rebuttal,
and
then,
if
the
commission
has
questions,
they
should
be
able
to
pose
those
to
the
two
parties
and
if
all
of
your
questions
are
not
answered
at
that
point,
if
you
have
outstanding
ones,
you
can
ask
ask
me,
since.
A
C
F
So
I
I
guess
I'm
holding
off
on
answering
questions
until
after
then
based
on
what
he
just
said.
I
don't
have
much
of
any
rebuttal
or
anything
like
that.
I
will
say
that,
yes,
what
you're
here
tonight
is
to
approve
whether
or
not
that
window
here.
Sorry
at
the
bottom
of
the
podium
for
the
record
is
an
appropriate
substitution
and
we
may
have
been
able
to
get
to
that
decision.
If
the
process
was
a
little
bit
changed
in
the
fact
prior
to
approving
the
Marvin
window
on
the
building
permit.
Something
like
this
was
proposed.
F
I,
don't
know,
that's
why
this
is
before
you
this
evening
to
make
that
determination.
I
do
as
Udo
administrator
have
some
Authority.
However,
as
you
know,
with
decisions
and
modifications
that
come
back
to
you,
especially
when
conditions
are
placed
on
kofas
related
to
specific
elements,
I
am
typically
hesitant
to
make
those
decisions,
because
I
don't
want
to
go
against
a
decision
or
a
condition
that
you
all
made
as
a
commission.
F
So
again,
without
all
of
that
information
with
the
specifications,
the
samples,
the
information
at
the
time
and
because
of
that
process-
and
it
didn't
quite
flow
accordingly-
that's
why
we're
here
this
evening
so
and
I
will
make
whatever
corrections
as
far
as
there's
no
ill
well
made
with
making
assumptions
that
it
was
vinyl
versus
wood,
it's
just
based
on
the
information
or
the
eye
test,
so
to
speak
at
the
time
by
the
various
inspectors.
So
we
can
certainly
make
those
Corrections.
So
that
was
none
of
that
was
made.
F
We
didn't
mean
to
make
those
assumptions
incorrectly.
I
didn't
like
I,
said
we'd.
That
was
an
error.
Like
was
stated
earlier.
Sometimes
errors
are
made,
and
so
those
were
errors
that
they
referred
to
as
vinyl
windows.
So
I
will
leave
it
at
that
and
then
answer
any
specific
questions
you
all
have
after.
F
C
A
All
right,
Mr
Marks,
do
you
have
any
rebuttal
or
just
quick
final
I.
H
Think
I
have
the
highest
respect
for
Heather,
she's,
always
been
responsive
available
and
a
wonderful
servant.
A
reasonable
people
can
disagree
and
I
disagree
with
her
and
that's
okay.
I
wish.
That's
all
that
this
was
about
I
wish.
It
wasn't
any
of
the
peripheral
stuff
that
came
up
I'm
going
to
justify
why
these
windows
are
inferior,
but
I
have
a
lot
of
respect
for
you
and
thank
you.
C
A
A
In
my
opinion.
It
also.
This
is
an
environmentally
poor
decision,
because
I'm,
an
environmentalist-
and
this
would
be
just
a
big
huge
waste
of
very
good
product
and
I-
did
again
research
on
what's
being
installed
in
it
to
me,
I'm
just
going
to
State
I,
don't
know
if
I
could
State.
My
opinion
on
the
window
is
that
okay.
C
A
A
So
if
you
had
somebody
that
specifically
said
that
it's
going
to
be
this
manufacturer,
you
really
were
putting
yourself
in
a
corner
us
as
a
town
needs
to
look
at
as
we
state,
but
we
had
something
specific
as
a
manufacturer
in
that
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
you
know
our
future
emotions,
we
need
to
kind
of
consider
that
please
that
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
right
thing
to
do,
for
the
folks
that
are
here,
because
I
think
that's
the
situation
that
we
came
into
on
this
problem
is
that
there
is
something
specifically
named
as
a
manufacturer,
I
believe
there's
a
better
product
out
there
than
what
was
actually
specifically
named
so
I'm,
just
kind
of
looking
at
you
know.
A
I
C
I
would
tend
to
agree,
and
it's
just
subsequently-
it
cascaded
a
little
bit
where
the
window
was
misnamed,
conceivably
vinyl
versus
clad.
Although
new
clad
the
building
had
obviously
moved
it's
not
in
the
same
location,
by
any
way,
shape
or
form,
it
just
boils
down
to
the
process
of
submitting
a
Marvin
or
excuse
me,
a
Pella
versus
Marvin
product
would
that
be
approved
by
a
staff
at
that
point
had
that
been
submitted
likely.
So
if.
G
To
allow
I
came
into
it
thinking
you
follow
the
process,
that's
it,
but
I
think
in
this
instance,
because
of
the
you
know,
lack
of
stock
and
the
fact
that
he
did.
He
used
a
Superior
Window,
while
I
don't
condone
the
not
going
to
the
town.
First
I,
don't
think
that
I
think
we
should
approve
it
I,
don't
think
that
we
should
and
punish
them.
Under
these
circumstances,.
A
With
that
being
said,
is
there
a
possibility
of
getting
emotion
on
this?
Is
that
what
we
have
to
do
is
put
a
motion
forward,
and
how
would
that
motion
be?
Would
you
help
us
possibly
in
saying
I,
know
that
you
gave
us
some
suggestions
in
your,
but
what
how
do
we
present
this?
So
you.
C
Have
you
have
three
options
tonight
you
can
move
to
affirm
the
decision
of
the
Udo
administrator,
which
would
be
making
a
termination
that
the
Udo
administrator's
decision
on
the
Windows
was
correct.
Your
other
you
have
option
number
two,
which
is
to
affirm
and
part
and
reverse
in
part,
and
then
your
final
one,
which
would
be
to
reverse
the
decision
of
the
Udo
administrator.
What
I
would
recommend
that
you
do
is
obviously
you
make
the
motion
get
a
second
I
have
to
vote,
but
to
give
the
basis
for
that.
C
A
lot
of
what
you
have
said
tonight
will
support
that
basis.
I
believe
it
was
commissioner
Vox
Bell
who
had
already
said
that
the
in
her
opinion,
the
Pella
windows
were
an
appropriate
substitute,
but
that
is
a
single
commissioner,
not
a
group
of
five,
so
you
have
to
have
a
legitimate
basis
for
whichever
decision
you
make
as
you
all
discuss
this
I
can
craft
a
motion
or
try
to
work
on
a
motion
that
is
supportive
of
your
decision.
I
just
need
y'all
to
discuss
it
and
give
me
a
little
bit
of
a
moment
to
write.
A
I
think
that
you
mentioned
some
good
things.
Will
you
mentioned
you
know?
Do
we
need
to
reiterate
possibly
what
the
verbiage
so
that
you
know
and
then,
if
I
think,
if
we
all
kind
of
would
just
add
our
Concepts
and
ideas
on
this
is
yeah.
C
Well,
Point
Blank
the
window
is
a
suitable
replacement.
Another
point
is
the
house
obviously
moved
it's
not
in
its
original
location.
It
is
not
a
contributing
structure
by
any
way,
shape
or
form,
and
the
towns
acknowledge
that
turning
down
the
proposed
Grant,
not
not
that
that
needs
to
be
factored
into
the
exercise.
G
J
A
G
There
wasn't
a
supply
when
he
went
to
install
him.
He
wasn't
expecting
to
have
to
replace
all
the
windows
when
he
went
to
go,
get
the
Marvin
Windows,
they
didn't
have
stock,
and
so
he
replaced
it
with
a
superior.
C
I
A
I
personally
feel
that
you
know
again
I'm
going
to
reiterate-
and
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
put
in
this
in
this,
but
in
future
motions
we
need
to
really
watch
how
we
State
emotion
so
that
if
there's
a
specific
manufacturer
listed
I
think
I'm.
This
is
my
last
meeting,
so
it's
going
to
be
you
guys
responsibility
to
just
kind
of
keep
that
in
mind,
so
it
doesn't
happen
again.
We
could
prevent
this.
We
could
have
prevented
this
I.
A
C
And
I
think
some
of
the
onus
goes
on
to
not
Mr
Marks,
but
all
applicants
come
from
if
you're
going
to
change
something.
No,
you
have
to
come
back
to
the
staff.
Just
get
approval
because
we're
approving
this
and
if
you're
changing
your
Square
to
a
circle,
you
got
to
come
back
yeah
just
the
staff
level,
that's
what
it
is.
Yeah,
that's
a
good
one.
C
Mr
chairman,
if
I
may
so
I
can
I
can
read
the
tea,
leaves
here
and
see
which
way
y'all
will
clearly
leaning,
because
staff
has
explicitly
stated
that
this
their
decision
to
issue
that
denial
was
in
large
part
due
to
wanting
the
HPC
to
opine.
On
the
issue
of
the
suitability
of
the
Pella
lifestyle
window,
it
is
highly
unlikely
that
staff
itself
will
appeal
this
decision.
C
Rather
in
the
building
permit
process,
you
Pella.
Excuse
me
the
Marvin
Elevate
window
was
included
on
the
building
permit.
That
was
what
was
approved
by
staff.
Ultimately,
what
was
installed
was
the
pillow
Lifestyle.
The
applicant
has
acknowledged
that
that
was
an
error
to
not
bring
that
to
staff
first,
and
that
was
a
part
of
the
basis
of
the
the
denial
letter
from
the
Udo
administrator.
There
are
four
reasons
for
the
denial
they
included,
that
the
windows
installed
were
not
the
same
Windows
approved
by
staff
and
is
specified
in
the
building.
C
Permit
I
think
all
parties
have
acknowledged
that
that
is
correct.
The
second
one
was
staff
was
not
provided
additional
information
regarding
the
pillow
lifestyle
Windows
prior
to
installation
and
has
not
approved
them
as
required
by
the
Kofa
that
has
been
acknowledged
by
all
parties.
So
that's
that's
true
as
well.
It
really
comes
down
C
and
D
that
the
Pella
lifestyle
Windows
do
not
meet
the
arms
length
rule,
meaning
they
are
not
indistinguishable
from
the
original
windows
at
an
arm's
length.
C
It
appears
that
the
HPC
would
affirm
the
Udo
administrator's
decision
as
to
those
first
two
points,
because
all
parties
have
agreed
to
that,
but
would
reverse
the
Udo
administrator
as
to
the
last
two
and
that
the
the
windows
or
not
vinyl,
clad
but
aluminum,
clad
and
that
they
are
an
appropriate
replacement
window
for
the
site
based
off
of
the
information
provided
today
by
the
appellant,
and
if
that
is
consistent
with
what
you
all
have
found
here
tonight
rather
than
having
you
restate,
the
motion
I
would
just
recommend
that
one
of
the
HPC
mem
HPC
members
say
I.
A
I,
don't
believe
we
no
I
I
have
a
motion
and
I
need
to
have
the
motion
passed
all
in
favor
of
the
motion
as
spoken,
I
I
any
opposed.
The
motion
passes
unanimously.
So
therefore
I
take
it.
The
next
step
would
be
for
the
town
staff
to
allow
Mr
Marks
to
proceed
forward
and
possibly
I,
don't
know
what
else
is
open
for
Co,
but
this
might
be
one
of
the
issues
to
allow
the.
A
C
If
I'm,
if
I'm
a
if
I
may
answer,
rather
than
having
to
put
this
downtown
staff
on
that
question,
precisely
obviously
there
are
certain
issues
that
are
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
HPC
and
others
that
are
not.
You
know
if
staff
feels
comfortable
to
answer
that
they
certainly
can,
but
that
would
be
my
understanding
what
is
decided
here
tonight.
The
concerns
in
that
denial
letter
have
been
addressed
and
Mr
Marx's
windows
are
no
longer
an
issue.
Okay,
very
good.
A
Believe
that
finishes
this
issue
off
and
I
guess
you
could
take
your
samples
and.
A
Thank
you,
I
need
a
bigger
one.
Now
that
was,
you
know
an
interesting
opportunity
to
learn
more
on
Municipal
politics.
It's
always
good
to
learn
more
on
Municipal
politics.
Isn't
it
how
it
works
so
there
we
go.
A
K
K
Of
a
new
single-family
residence
of
approximately
3291
square
feet
and
a
Carriage
House
of
approximately
484
square
feet,
it's
proposed
at
58
Pritchard
Street,
which
is
here
in
the
old
town,
Bluffton
historic
district,
just
kind
of
across
from
the
pool
here
it
is
zoned
neighborhood,
General
HD,
the
site
plan
that
was
provided
with
the
architectural
drawings
I'm
going
to
flip
through
these
fairly
quickly,
but
I'm
happy
to
go
backwards
in
time
or
in
slides.
K
To
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
and,
of
course
the
applicant
is
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
project
as
well,
so
the
floor
plans
are
here.
As
you
can
see,
it
is
a
one
and
a
half
story
structure,
meaning
the
second
story
is
less
than
70
percent
of
the
story
directly
beneath
it.
This
is
the
roof
plan,
so
you
can
see
that
the
second
story
is
in
that
square.
That
is
right
in
the
center
there
with
the
giant
x
on
it
and
then
the
rest
of
it
is
on
the
first
floor.
K
K
This
is
the
right
elevation.
So
again
you
can
see
that
screen
porch.
This
would
be
the
front
of
the
structure
and
then
the
rear
of
the
structures
back
here
with
the
one
story
addition
to
the
rear.
This
is
the
rear,
Edition
or
the
rear
elevation
with
the
one
story
Edition
at
the
rear
there,
the
left
elevation.
So
again,
the
front
is
here
with
the
screened
in
porch.
It
will
be
screened
on
the
front
as
well
as
what
I
was
trying
to
indicate
there
on
the
screen.
K
K
And
in
the
tree
save
areas,
so
this
is
where
the
tree
protection
fencing
is
going
to
go.
I
stole
this
out
of
the
landscape
plan,
but
I
zoomed
in
on
it,
so
you
could
see
it
a
little
better
and
then
this
is
the
site
plan
that
was
included
in
the
landscape
plan.
So
this
one
does
include
the
driveway
I
know.
One
of
my
comments
in
the
staff
report,
which
I'm
sure
you've
all
read,
is
that
the
driveway
is
not
showing
up
and
the
footprint
of
the
carriage
house
is
not
showing
up
on
there.
K
It
is
on
the
landscape
land,
it's
just
not
on
the
the
architectural
plan
set,
so
it
needs
to
be
reflected
there.
And
then
this
is
the
proposed
landscape
plan.
I've
put
the
planting
schedule
at
the
top
here,
for
you
guys
and
then
again
you
can
see
those
tree
safe
areas
are
in
what
looks
like
the
shallow
in
buoys
that
are
circling
the
trees.
Here.
K
It's
an
application
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
new
construction.
The
HPC
considers
the
criteria
that
are
found
in
section
318,
three
of
our
unified
development
ordinance
when
they
assess
this
application
and
they
have
the
authorization
to
approve
the
application
is
submitted
by
the
applicant,
approve
the
application
with
conditions
or
deny
the
application
is
submitted
by
the
applicant.
Should
they
find
they
don't
meet
those
criteria.
K
Town
staff
has
found
that,
with
the
following
exceptions
or
conditions,
it
could
meet
those
criteria.
I
am
going
to
go
through
them
quickly
because
we
do
only
have
one
microphone
and
some
of
most
of
them
are
administrative,
so
the
first
one
is
that
a
true
removal
permit
is
required.
That's
a
requirement
of
almost
every
application
that
we
see
before
you.
We
like
to
make
sure
that
the
site
plan
is
fairly
set
before
that
is
submitted.
The
second
is
that
an
encroachment
permit
is
required
as
Pritchard
street
is
a
town
of
Bluffton
owned
and
maintained
Road.
K
They
have
applied
for
an
encroachment
permit,
but
it
cannot
be
approved
until
we
get
final
sign
off
on
relocating
of
a
fire
hydrant
by
Beaufort,
Jasper,
Water
and
Sewer.
We
do
have
their
preliminary
approval,
but
they
needed
to
make
some
changes
to
that
and
resubmit
it
to
them
before
we
could
get
the
final
sign
off
on
that,
so
they
are
in
the
process
of
working
on
that.
So
it
is
an
administrative.
K
Prerequisite
I
guess
to
the
issuance
of
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
The
third
is
that
the
fire
hydrant
must
actually
be
relocated
before
the
issuance
of
a
building
permit.
So
while
it
can
be
included
as
a
hypothetical
on
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
before
they
can
get
the
building
permit,
we
do
need
to
see
that
actually
relocated,
since
it
is
the
only
thing
that
allows
for
parking
to
be
happen
on
their
site.
Someone.
A
K
A
K
As
you
can
see,
my
mouse
is
kind
of
moving
on
the
right
hand,
side
and
in
order
to
gain
access
to
the
site,
to
allow
for
any
parking
to
be
behind
the
front
plane
of
the
building,
as
is
required
by
our
ordinance
that
fire
hydrant
can't
be
in
that
spot.
So,
basically,
we
have
to
have
it
move
before
they
can
have
the
building
permit,
because
if
they
get
the
building
permit
and
they
don't
move
the
fire
hydrant
before
they
get
that
they
could
start
the
construction
of
this
project
without
having
it
moved
now.
A
K
We
don't
want
it
to
be
an
endless
loop,
which
is
why
it's
it's
in
this
order.
Okay,
the
fourth
one
is
that
the
site
plan
sheet
s
100
needs
to
be
revised
to
show
the
driveway
in
the
accurate
building
footprint
it
is
showing
on
the
landscape
plan.
We
just
need
the
both
sets
to
be
reflective
of
the
same.
So
that's
essentially
what
equates
to
a
scrivener's
error
and
just
can
be
updated
as
well.
The
fifth
one
is
that
the
Square
Windows
on
the
Carriage
House
must
be
revised
to
match
those
on
the
primary
structure.
K
As
you
can
see
the
carriage
house
this
Square
window
here,
it's
got
the
four
light
window
or
the
cross
buttons
going
on
and
on
the
primary
structure.
The
Square
Windows
of
the
same
have
just
the
single
mutton
which
does
reflect
the
window
proportions
of
the
larger
windows
on
the
site.
So
this
is
the
appropriate
configuration
of
those
it's
a
fairly
simple
correction.
To
make
there
the
PVC
Cloud
Post
on
the
stair
detail
must
be
revised
to
a
permitted
material.
I
think
again,
this
is
something
that
may
be
just
a
scrivener's
error.
K
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
that
is,
the
wood
column
is
is
permitted
and
then
the
last
one
is
that
the
louvered
panel
details
need
to
be
revised
so
that
all
areas
are
consistent
and
that
the
columns
align
with
the
peers
and
I
put
that
in
quote,
because
it
is
a
turn
slab
but
they're
offsetting
it
to
appear
as
though
it
appears,
though
its
peers
for
the
elevation.
So
again,
that's
something
that
shouldn't
cause
too
much
of
a
challenge
with
revising
that
detail.
K
But
if
you
take
a
look
here,
peers
are
supposed
to
be
centered
on
the
columns
are
supposed
to
be
centered
on
the
peers
which
support
them
with
this
configuration.
How
that
gets
centered
is
that
this
big
panel
here
just
moves
so
that
it's
centered
between
these
two
columns
here
and
this
appears
to
be
appears
to
be
appear.
I
got
to
stop
using
the
double
peers
y'all,
but
it's
that
detail
and
then,
if
you
look
at
the
front
elevation,
it
stops
here.
So
you've
got
this
area
which
would
be
a
open
space
beneath
the
stairs.
K
That
would
have
to
be
reflective
of
the
same.
So
it's
all
on
how
the
panels
are
installed
on
that
slab
to
reflect
peer
configuration
rather
than
just
an
attached
piece
of
wood
on
top
of
the
foundation.
That's
all
I
have
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have.
The
applicant
is
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
project.
L
And
basically
the
the
comments
just
just
so
you
kind
of
know
where
we
stand.
The
encroachment
permit
was
submitted,
damn
yep
Dan,
so
that
was
submitted
to
Dan
I
I
haven't
got
a
response
on
that.
It
was
submitted,
probably
maybe
four
weeks
ago,
or
something
like
that.
So
I
think
we're
probably
in
the
process
of
just
I,
haven't
I
didn't
get
any
receiving
the
products.
Yeah,
so
I
think
I
think
we're
good.
Okay
there
on
the
relocation
of
the
hydrant.
L
We've
been
we're
at
the
point
with
Buford
Jasper
water.
They
want
a
site
visit,
so
I
think
we've
we've
addressed
all
their
comments.
They
we
submitted
that
they
gave
us
comments.
We
addressed
all
their
comments.
Now
we
have
to
do
a
site
visit
and
once
we
have
that
site
visit,
they'll
go
ahead
and
approve
that
so
I
think
we're
at
the
very
end
of
that
portion
of
that.
L
Just
so
you
kind
of
know
where
we
stand
on
that
all
those
other
things
some
of
them
were
oversights,
like
the
the
post
being
PVC
I
mean
that
that's
fine,
it's
supposed
it's
going
to
be
wood
anyway.
L
I
mean
really
everything
that
you
every
all
the
comments
that
need
to
be
addressed,
I
think
those
are
pretty
simple
things
that
could
be
addressed
the
window
itself
on
that
back.
We
addressed
it
on
the
main
structure.
It
was
brought
up
in
conceptual
and
I.
Think
we
just
missed
it
and
conceptual
to
go
ahead
and
and
do
that
for
the
Carriage
House,
so
I
think
really
I.
L
I
think
I
mean
all
of
those
all
of
those
little
things
could
be
quickly
address
and
then
go
back.
If
that's
allowed
by
you
guys
and
I.
Think
really
at
the
point
of
like
the
fire,
hydrant
would
have
been
the
major
one
I.
We
have
to
have
a
a
site
visit
with
them
and
then
once
once,
that's
done,
I
think
we're
in
a
position
where
that's
going
to
get
approved
and
I
can't
get
my
permit.
L
Until
you
know
it
looks
like
until
I
get
that
anyway,
so
I
I'm,
hoping
and
I'm
proposing
that
we
could
go
ahead
and
move
forward
and
get
approved,
make
those
changes
address
the
the
fire
hydrant
and
then
figure
out
where
we
stand
on
the
approachment
permit
I
think
we're
at
the
tail
end
of
that
too.
So.
K
Then
I
can
provide
a
little
more
insight
into
that
encouragement.
He
did
submit
it
to
Dan
I.
Think
Nathan
was
actually
the
applicant,
which
is
why
you
haven't
heard
back
their
engine.
His
engineer
is
the
one
who
submitted
it
and
we've
been
in
communication
with
him.
They
are
talking
to
be
for
Jasper,
so
we
just
are
waiting
on
Beaufort.
It's
a
waterfall
effect
where
Buford
Jasper
will
get
back
to
Nathan,
who
will
get
back
to
Dan?
K
Who
will
be
able
to
then
issue
the
encroachment
permit
as
long
as
they're
finalized
on
the
fire
hydrant,
but
I
did
personally
talk
to
before
Jasper
water
and
sewer,
and
they
said
as
long
as
they
do
X,
Y
and
Z.
It
is
approvable.
It
just
isn't
there
yet
similar
to
fixing
the
windows
and
things
like
that
for
us,
so
it's
approvable
in
theory
as
long
as
they
correct
those
too
few
changes.
L
A
A
K
Yeah
and
it's
just
so
that
we
don't
get
into
a
case
where
something
happens
and
before
Jasper
people
change
hands
and
we
didn't
actually
get
that
approval
and
it
would
prevent
them
from
being
able
to
park
on
their
site.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
is
taken
care
of
before
that.
That.
A
N
M
Okay,
first
was
to
kind
of
add
to
the
the
underpinning,
or
the
louvers
at
the
porches
I
would
suggest
if
it's
a
a
brick
or
masonry
porch
floor
to
either
get
rid
of
the
louvered
panels,
underneath
typically,
if
it's
a,
if
it's
a
concrete
slab,
you
wouldn't
histor
in
the
spirit
of
keeping
it
historically
accurate,
you
wouldn't
have
a
liver
panel
down
there.
The
only
case
you
would
have
it
is
if
it
was
a
wood
or
composite
porch
floor
and
then
with
a
wood
skirt
board.
K
It
can
be
proposed
as
long
as
it
is
set
back
into
it
and
not
applied
to
the
front,
so
it
is
something
we
have
seen
and
improved
in
the
past
both
ways
the
first
way
was
applied
to
the
front
of
it,
which
was
not
the
intent
of
the
approval
and
was
done
a
handful
of
times.
Hpc
said:
Whoa,
stop
what
you're
doing
everybody
that's
not
appropriate,
and
then
there
have
been
several
iterations
that
have
applied
it
as
though
it
were
a
peer
porch.
K
So
it
is
offset
and
does
have
that
correct
Shadow
line
as
if
they
were
peers,
so
the
poor
on
the
porch
will
be
dropped
back
into
to
create
a
channel
for
those
louvers
to
sit
into.
So
it
is
an
option
to
not
have
that
at
all
and
just
have
the
Tabby
stucco
Foundation.
If
it
is
the
applicant's
choice,
they
can
also
propose.
K
I
L
Correct
yeah
yeah
yeah
yeah.
Do
you
mind
if
I
make
one
comment?
No
go
ahead?
We
just
felt
like
it
softens
the
front.
The
elevation
on
the
front
instead
of
having
you
know
a
full
Tabby
all
the
way
across
and
something
that's
elevated,
we're
required
to
have
a
36
inch
from
Center
sidewalk.
So
we
just
feel
like
that.
Just
softens
that
look
just
a
little
bit
more
instead
of
having
such
a
so.
L
C
Well,
I
think
the
other
commissioner
isn't
necessarily
talking
about
the
inset
of
the
vent.
It's
the
brick
is
vertical
going
across
the
floor.
Then
the
vent
goes
right
up
to
that
there
would
be
a
10
or
12
inch
drop
or
band
between
that
and
the
top.
That
would
run
around
the
front
of
the
front
and
side
of
the
porch.
Do
you
understand
yeah.
M
L
Experiments
I
think
the
detail
needs
to
be
changed
on
the
side.
Yeah,
so
I
see
I'd,
rather
not
take
it
away
because
I
feel
like
they,
the
overall
it
just
softens
instead
of
having
that
run
that
whole
line
so
just
to
make
another
correction
that
I
think
we
can
make
pretty
simply
is
to
go
in
and
put
that
on
top.
So
you
have
a
piece
of
the
monolithic
over
the
top
of
the
sign.
Okay,
so
that
would
have
to
be
included.
M
M
It
appears
if
you
look
at
the
roof
plan
over
that
area
and
I'll
wait
for
Katie
to
it
looks
like
a
really
large
overhang
which
is
getting
caught
partially
by
that
bracket,
which
is
at
the
windows
of
the
dining
room
itself,
but
it's
not
getting
caught
on
either
side
of
it.
So
I'm
concerned
that
overhang
is
going
to
get.
M
M
J
M
You
can
see
on
the
yeah.
You
can
see
on
that
right
side,
it's
supported
by
the
brackets,
but
if
you
scroll
over
to
the
rear
elevation
or
excuse
me,
the
left
elevation,
you
can
see
that
bracket
and
beam
above
the
bracket
only
extends
it's
basically
at
the
bracket
to
the
left
side.
It
extends
all
the
way
over
to
the
right
side,
but
doesn't
extend
to
the
left
side
so
to
the
left
of
those
windows.
That's
going
to
be
a
really
large
overhang.
That's
not
really
supported
by
anything
I.
L
M
L
I
talked
to
the
the
engineer,
and
you
know
proposed
something
with
him
to
you
know
see
if
there's
anything
that
we
can
add
to
it
to
add
a
little
bit
more
strength
to
that
yeah.
M
L
So
I
think
that,
from
the
aesthetic
point
of
view
it
looks
nice
to
be
one
consistent,
roof
line,
so
I
think
I
I
think
there's
a
way
where
I
could
push
to
the
engineer
and
say
Hey.
You
know,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
addressing
you
know,
I,
don't
know.
If
there's
going
to
be
more
strapping,
I,
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
have
me,
you
know
bring
that
further
in
you
know
like
extend
the
rafter
further
inside
I.
L
Don't
know
how
it's
going
to
work,
but
but
I
can
have
them
work
on
that
that
detail.
Okay,
I
think
going
to
the
the
engineer
is
my
next
step.
If
we
get
approved
today,
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
engineer
instead
of
going
to
the
engineer
having
everything
done
and
then
not
you
know
and
then
having
to
go
back
to
the
engineer
to
have
had
things
revised,
so
I
think
the
next
step
would
be
that
so
I
think
that's
something
that
I
can
pass
on
to
staff
I.
A
Guess
in
the
motion
we
have
to
put
something
that
if
that
is
changed,
that
it's
going
to
be
allowed
by
staff
to
approve
it
correct.
A
C
Mr
chairman,
if
I
may
just
do
for
the
record,
is
the
structural
components
of
the
structural
Integrity
of
the
building
or
any
portion
of
it
or
really
within
the
historic
preservation
commission's
purview,
because
it's
mostly
design
standards
but
I.
Think
as
commissioner
Goodwin
appropriately
pointed
out.
That
is
an
issue
that
probably
needs
to
be
addressed
and
could
impact
the
design
standards
so
by
including
it
in
this
motion
you're
giving
staff
the
discretion
to
approve
whatever
modifications
to
the
design.
C
A
Okay,
second,
okay,
I'm,
looking
for
a
vote
all
in
favor,
aye
aye,
any
opposed
motion
passed
as
spoken.
Great,
thank
you
so
now
we're
on
to
Katie's
number
two
or
she's
on
her.
Second,
we
have
another
Pritchard
Street
property
and
is
that
applicant
here.
K
K
The
historic
preservation
approve
the
following
application:
it's
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
allow
the
renovation
and
repair
of
the
approximately
690
square
foot
contributing
resource
known
as
The
Walker
house,
including
the
removal
of
the
250
square
foot
attached
carport
and
the
addition
of
53
square
feet
to
the
South
elevation
located
at
99
Pritchard
Street,
which
is
across
the
street
here
directly
across
from
town
hall
in
the
old
town,
Bluffton
historic
district
of
the
Zone
neighborhood
conservation
HD.
The
first
thing
that
I
would
like
to
draw
to
your
attention
is
at
conceptual
I
apologize.
K
K
A
K
I
would
like
to
show
you
here:
this
is
the
site
plan.
Pritchard
street
is
here
to
the
top
of
the
screen
and
then
I'm
sorry,
Bridge
Street
is
to
the
top
of
the
screen
and
Pritchard
street
is
to
the
left
of
the
screen
here.
So
the
driveway
access
that
is
here
is
off
the
dirt
road
portion
of
Pritchard
Street.
This
is
Bridge
Street
and
town
hall
is
right
here
at
the
50
Foot
Right
of
Way.
It's
directly
behind
that
this
is
the
roof
plan.
What
is
currently
existing
and
then
the
renovation
roof
plan.
K
So
you
can
see
here
the
carport
portion
of
this,
which
is
the
rear
section
here
identified
in
the
surveys
as
a
later
Edition
is
being
proposed
for
removal
and
then
they're
in
filling
the
portion
that
runs
straight
down
this
here,
so
this
portion
already
exists
as
being
enclosed
and
you'll,
see
it
on
the
floor
plans
a
little
better
and
then
this
drags
down
straight
across.
So
there's
a
small
stoop
that'll
come
off
the
back,
but
it's
less
is
being
added
than
taken
away
on
this
portion
here.
K
So
again,
this
is
the
dotted
outline
of
the
carport.
This
is
the
stoop
that
already
exists
to
go
into
the
main
structure,
and
then
this
is
a
closet
area.
That's
in
there
already.
The
closet
area
is
remaining
on
the
renovation.
This
is
going
to
be
an
unheated
space.
This
little
area.
Here,
that's
going
to
house
the
Mechanicals
for
the
water
heater
Etc.
It
has
the
double
door
with
the
stoop
that's
being
proposed
off
the
rear
here.
So
the
stoop
being
proposed
is
just
beyond
here.
K
The
front
elevation,
as
you
can
see
here,
being
left
basically
identical
to
what
is
currently
in
the
field.
They
are
proposing
a
new
wood
front
door,
new
wood
screen
door
and
then
repairing
and
replacing
the
insect
screens
that
are
existing
as
necessary.
This
structure
has
seen
a
lot
of
things.
It
is
on
the
1994
survey
as
weatherboard
at
some
point
between
2008
and
2014.
The
sighting
was
replaced
with
not
replaced
probably
covered
with
vinyl
siding,
so
vinyl
is
what's
in
the
field.
The
windows
have
been
replaced.
I've
got
some
pictures
later
of
that.
K
K
This
is
where
that
small
addition
is,
is
the
darker
gray
area
being
added
to
this
space,
because
that's
where
this
ties
in
and
the
rest
is
being
left
in
line
on
the
left
elevation
again,
you
can
see
it
where
this
was
tying
in
it's
being
extended
extended
out
to
about
there
the
rear
elevation,
the
whole
rear
is
being
revised,
because
this
is
that
carport
area,
and
this
is
being
revised
to
the
double
doors
the
door
casings
are
to
match
the
existing
and
then
they're
proposing
steel
doors
on
the
rear
elevation,
because
it
is
a
metal
doors
to
enclose
that
water,
heater
and
stuff
like
that.
K
This
is
the
stoop
and
baluster
detail
here,
so
you
can
see
that
they're
matching
the
existing
underneath
but
they're
proposing
the
wood
handrails
due
to
the
the
height
of
the
floor.
Handrails
are
required,
they're,
currently
not
any
out
there,
and
then
this
is
the
details
page.
So
again
you
can
see
that
they're
matching
it
I
did
include
the
student
baluster
twice,
because
I
thought
it
was
super
important.
I
actually
didn't
mean
to
sorry,
and
this
is
the
window
and
door
schedule.
K
You
can
see
that
all
of
the
exterior
doors
are
wood,
except
for
the
insulated
steel,
this
one's
listed
as
in
an
exterior
door,
but
it
is
actually
an
interior
door.
I
looked
for
a
very
long
time
to
try
and
find
that,
so
it
is
not
an
exterior
door,
it's
not
MDF
exterior,
so
they're
good
on
their
doors
and
then
their
Windows
schedule.
They
have
proposed
a
replacement,
double
hung
window
from
Sierra
Pacific.
It
is
the
8500
series
which
is
an
excellent
replacement.
This
is
the
picture
of
it.
This
was
sent.
K
Actually,
you
can
see
the
person
who
works
in
the
showroom,
taking
the
picture
in
the
mirror
in
the
mirror
of
that
window.
So
this
is
what
that
will
look
like
from
the
exterior
currently
what's
in
there
are
there
simulated
divided
light,
but
they're
not
a
great
example
of
a
simulated
divided
light
because
they
are
only
on
the
inside,
so
typically
a
simulated,
divided
light
has
outside
and
inside
piece
and
then
in
the
middle
there's
a
spacer
essentially
between
the
panes
of
glass.
K
This
has
the
spacer
and
that's
it
so
these
were
added
sometime
between
2000
I.
Think
I
put
it
in
the
staff
report
between
2000
eight
in
two
thousand.
It
was
between
the
two
surveys
so
between
the
2008
and
2014
survey.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
it's
there
in
your
staff
report
for
certainty,
so
those
are
the
doors
that
current
or
the
windows
that
are
currently
on
there.
K
This
is
the
space
that's
being
closed
in
so
this
little
corner
here
is
the
interior
closet,
and
then
this
will
come
across
and
close
off.
So
this
is
the
space
where
the
addition
is
being
proposed.
You
can
kind
of
see
it
here
proposed
Edition
here
and
they'll
just
carry
the
roof
line
out.
This
is
the
garage
area
that
is
or
the
carport
garage
that
is
being
proposed
for
removal
and
that's
what
I've
got.
This
is
the
porch
I
guess
I
didn't
mention,
but
the
screens
that
are
being
repaired
and
replaced.
K
So
as
this
is
a
application
for
a
certificate
appropriateness,
the
criteria
which
are
found
in
section
3183
of
our
unified
development
ordinance
still
apply.
I
went
through
all
of
those
criteria
in
the
staff
report
and
the
HPC
is
authorized
to
approve
the
application
is
submitted
by
the
applicant
approve.
K
The
application
was
submitted
or
deny
the
application
if
it
binds,
they
do
not
meet
the
criteria
in
section
318
of
that
ordinance
staff
reviewed
this
application
against
all
of
those
criteria,
including
those
for
a
contributing
resource
and
found
that
the
only
item
that
needs
addressing
by
the
HPC
specifically
is
that
the
vinyl
siding
would
need
to
be
determined
whether
it's
appropriate
or
not,
as
a
substitute
for
the
materials
listed
in
the
unified
development
ordinance.
Typically,
it
is
not
something
that
is
an
appropriate
material.
It
is
a
vinyl
plastic
material.
K
A
We
help
me
I'm
trying
to
get
my
head
around.
That
also
is
so
we
have
an
existing
construction
of
vinyl
and
what
they're
doing
is
they're
just
going
to
be
adding
additional
pieces
and
show
me
where
you
know,
in
other
words,
I
know
that
we
haven't
approved
vinyl
at
all,
but
the
rest
of
the
house
is
vinyl
and
that's
just
because.
K
K
My
opinion
is
yes,
the
rear
elevation,
it
would
be.
The
full
rear
elevation
would
be
replaced
with
new
vinyl
to
match
as
closely
as
possible
the
existing,
because
this
is
a
wall
that
doesn't
currently
exist.
So
it's
not
something
they
would.
That
would
be
the
elevation
that
is
getting
the
most
change
to
it
right
there
as.
A
K
This
is
an
example
of
how
this
is
similar
would
be
like
when
we
approve
a
existing
floor
height,
so
that
you
don't
have
to
take
a
giant
step
into
a
an
addition.
It's
something
similar
to
that
where
it's
due
to
the
existing
conditions
of
the
existing
resource,
it
would
be
an
appropriate
substitute
and.
K
A
Right
here
we're
adding
HVAC.
They
have
to
be
adding
a
compressor
yeah.
N
Yeah
yes,
Joe
to
Paul.
A
With
the
Paw
Architects,
what
can
you
state
your
name
and
what
yeah
Joe
de
Paul
with
DePaul
Architects?
Okay,
I'm,
sorry,
I
didn't
hear
what
you
were
saying:
I
was
zoned
out.
Okay,
thank
you.
N
We
are
adding
the
heat
pump,
we
were,
we
are
planning
to
provide
plantings,
either
side
of
it
to
disguise
it,
but
not
build
a
service
yard,
or
our
understanding
was
that
that
was
appropriate
with
the
udl.
Could.
A
K
There
there
is
not
an
issue
with
the
setbacks.
Besides
that
it
exceeds
the
maximum
build
to
the
front,
build
too.
They
are
not
doing
anything
on
the
front
elevation.
So
this
is
an
existing
structure
in
an
existing
location.
It
would
need
to
meet
the
setbacks
if
it
were
proposed
today,
because
it
exists
on
that
side.
They're
not
encroaching
into
the
rear
or
side
setting.
A
M
D
D
J
O
So
this
is
a
request
by
the
applicant,
the
Reverend
Dr
John,
R
Block,
or
black,
with
James
McGee
Architects,
when
we
have
the
owner
of
the
trustees
of
the
Campbell
Chapel
AME
Church
they're,
making
a
request
of
you
all
to
approve
a
certificate
appropriateness
to
allow
one,
the
demolition
of
the
non-historic
non-contributing
portion
of
the
approximately
2300
square
feet,
the
construction
of
a
one-story
freestanding
edition
of
approximately
600
square
feet
and
the
renovation
to
Historic,
1700
plus
square
foot,
contributing
resource
identified
as
the
Campbell
Chapel
AME,
located
at
number
23
Boundary
Street
in
the
old
town,
Bluffton,
historic
district
and
Zone
Neighborhood
Center.
O
Each
team
for
your
reference,
location
and
Zoning
maps
are
here
for
you
to
preview.
Also.
As
a
note,
this
Kofa
is
also
being
applied
concurrently
with
a
town
of
Bluffton
historic
preservation,
Grant
once
that
Grant
application,
or
once
the
Cove
has
been
approved,
the
grant
will
be
approved
based
on
the
Kofa
and
any
other
requirements
that
the
grant
will
be
required,
so
they're
actually
applying
for
one
of
our
preservation
grants
for
this.
O
For
part
of
this
project,
we
reached
out
to
the
local
preservation
group,
since
this
is
one
of
the
most
important
historic
resources
we
have
in
town
to
give
us
feedback.
Historic
Bluffton
Foundation,
which
could
not
be
here
tonight,
sent
a
letter
which
I
sent
to
by
email
the
other
day
dated
June
3rd.
They
expressed
their
full
support.
However,
we
would
like
to
express
our
concerns
regarding
the
proposed
use
of
a
shake
roof
for
the
restoration.
O
While
we
respect
the
architect's
expertise
and
their
vision
for
the
restoration
project,
we
would
like
to
propose
alternative
roofing
materials
that
may
be
more
practical
in
terms
of
Maintenance
and
Longevity
Palmetto
Bluff
Conservancy
also
sent
in
an
email
saying
we
are
impressed
with
the
information
and
suggest
that
they
reconsider
installing
the
woodshake
roof
because
of
the
continual
cost
and
maintenance
of
that
roofing
material
that
may
dampen
and
negate
the
benefits
of
having
it.
We
look
forward
to
seeing
the
completed
project,
give
you
some
feedback
or
some
reference
points.
O
And
then
current
conditions
as
of
yesterday
morning,
this
is
the
front
facade
again
another
perspective
of
the
building
any
site
plan.
Note
that
we're
only
looking
at
architecture
tonight,
you're,
not
looking
at
a
landscape
plan
you're,
not
looking
at
a
development
plan,
you're
not
looking
at
a
parket
plan,
you're,
not
looking
at
anything
else,
just
whatever
is
included
in
the
red
box,
which
is
actually
the
building.
O
The
first
part
of
this
application
is
for
the
demolition
of
the
non-historic
non-contributing
portion
of
the
building
I've
highlighted
here
in
red
I'm,
going
to
show
you
several
views
as
we
walk
around
the
building.
This
is
from
the
front.
This
is
from
the
northern
side.
Looking
at
the
rear,
this
is
actually
looking
at
the
rear,
looking
West
on
the
property,
and
then
this
is
the
other
perspective
looking
towards
the
northwest
and
then
back
to
the
front
again
that
area
in
the
red
is
actually
the
portion
that's
being
proposed
to
be
removed.
O
The
second
part
of
the
project
is
for
the
rear,
Edition,
so
I'm,
giving
you
some
perspectives
of
what's
being
proposed
at
the
bottom.
You
have
on
the
left,
proposed
rear
and
then
on
the
right.
You
have
a
proposed
front
and
I'm,
giving
you
some
photos
of
current.
Just
to
give
you
some
reference
points.
O
The
proposed
side
elevations
on
the
top
you
see
to
the
left,
the
historic
structure
in
its
proposed
restored
form
and
to
the
left
you'll
see
the
addition
that
we're
talking
out
the
back
again,
that's
about
608
square
feet
and
they
give
you
the
two
perspectives,
both
from
the
decide
elevations
that
608
square
foot
Edition
here's
the
floor
plan.
Basically,
it's
going
to
occupy
restroom
facilities
for
the
public
and
some
storage
space
and
it
sits
behind
the
building
the
historic
building
attached
by
a
glass
Atrium
hyphen.
O
Side,
elevation
of
the
proposed
construction
again
to
your
left
will
be
the
historic
structure
that
centerpiece
that
rectangle
is
the
glass
structure
and
then
the
piece
coming
out.
The
back
is
the
new
restroom
facility.
O
Some
more
details
on
what
that
construction
would
look
like,
and
then
this
perspective
is,
if
you
were
looking
standing
in
the
present
day
in
that
picture.
Looking
back
at
the
historic
building
you're
looking
through
and
seeing
the
new
construction
out,
the
back.
O
The
third
piece
of
the
puzzle
is
actually
going
to
be
the
restoration
of
the
historic
Campbell
Chapel.
These
are
some
views
of
what
that
proposed.
Restoration
would
look
like
again
on
your
left,
is
the
rear
and
on
the
right
is
the
front
elevation.
O
The
side
elevations,
showing
a
reconstructed,
Belfry,
reconstructed,
front,
Portico,
new
windows,
new
site
replacement,
siding
The
Belfry
is
being
reconstructed
back
to
a
look
that
it
had
at
the
turn
of
the
last
century,
or
I
should
amend
that
at
the
turn
of
the
20th
century.
The
photograph
that
you
see
the
historic
photograph
is
following
what
was
called
the
tornado
of
1933.
O
You
can
see
in
that
image
a
previous
version
of
what
the
Belfry
looked
like.
The
proposals
take
the
restoration
Belfry
back
to
that
look,
and
then
here's
a
close-up
of
the
detail
of
that
the
Architects
here
tonight.
He
can
speak
to
you
how
they
came
up
with
the
determination
what
that
Belfry
actually
looked
like
and
then
I'm
giving
you
some
details
here
with
the
new
replacement
windows.
O
The
current
windows
in
the
building
are
metal,
aluminum,
clad
bad
replacement
windows,
they're,
proposing
to
go
back
to
historically
appropriate
wood
windows
that
match
what
would
have
been
there
originally.
O
As
the
HPC,
you
should
consider
the
eight
review
criteria
with
set
forth
in
3.18.3
outlined
in
my
staff
report,
which
I'm
sure
you
all
read
and
then
you're
authorized
to
take
the
following
actions.
You
can
approve
the
application
as
submitted
approved
with
conditions
or
deny
the
application,
as
submitted
staff
has
reviewed
this,
and
we
recommend
approval
with
the
following
conditions.
O
You
will
need
to
make
a
determination
whether
wood
side,
wood,
Shake,
shingles
on
a
roof
are
appropriate.
Is
that's
not
a
permitted
material
under
the
Udo
under
Section
5.15.6
Point
J
We're
actually
recommending
denial
of
the
use
of
wood
shingles
since
there's
no
documentary
evidence,
physical
evidence
or
pictorial
evidence
of
the
existence
of
Shutters
on
the
exterior
of
the
building.
O
We
are
recommending
that
denial
for
the
installation
of
replacement
shutters
if
they
can
come
back
to
us
and
show
us
that
there
were
shutters
in
the
past
and
what
those
shutters
may
have
looked
like
and
where
they
were
located.
That's
something
that
we
can
look
at,
but
under
318
3A
shutters
would
not
be
permitted.
In
this
instance,
you
will
also
need
to
determine
the
appropriateness
of
a
membrane
roof
on
the
addition
you've
permitted
that
type
of
material
in
the
past.
O
O
Since
the
landscape
has
not
been
reviewed
as
part
of
this
application,
any
future
review
will
be
required,
should
work
be
proposed
beyond
the
scope
of
this
application,
and
a
development
plan
will
be
required
to
complete
site
changes
for
storm
water
parking
layout
circulation
Etc,
which
all
exceeds
the
scope
of
the
work
being
reviewed
under
this
kofile,
the
applicant
and
the
architecture.
Here,
if
you
have
any
questions,
of
course,
I'm
also
available
for
further
questions.
A
Would
the
applicant
like
to
step
forward
State
their
name
and
had
any
additional.
P
Information
I'm
James,
McGee
architect.
My
office
is
at
600
Caroline
Street
in
Fredericksburg
Virginia.
In
a
quick
overview
of
this
project.
They
found
me
by
Word
of
Mouth,
which
is
the
way
I
advertise.
So
it's
it
was
flattering
for
me,
and
this
is
a
great
project
and
as
I
we
go
through,
we
found
this
thing
is
so
full
of
Clues.
As
to
what
it
looked
like
that
it's
just
been
a
joy
at
to
work
on.
We
found
that
whoever
replaced
the
windows
did
not
alter
the
existing
openings.
P
P
We
found
jib
doors
underneath
one
of
the
windows
which
is
I
have
been
around
them,
but
this
will
be
the
first
project.
I've
worked
on
and
that's
quite
a
find
I
mean
that's
a
rare
detail
and
in
talking
to
Glenn
and
staff,
some
of
the
reasons
we
haven't
I'm
going
to
go
back
and
show
you
those
windows.
Okay,.
A
P
P
So
and
as
you
see
the
jib
door
and
when
we
originally
did
our
initials
site
survey,
we
noticed
that
there
was
a
a
line
where
the
that
the
existing
the
board
and
batons
were
notched
out
so
I
assumed
it
was
a
door
so
to
find
that
it
was
a.
P
In
fact,
the
contractor
who
was
he's
world
I
mean
he's
U.S
renowned,
but
he's
he
said,
I've
been
smoking,
something
funny
to
think
there
was
a
window
there,
but
then,
when
we
found
the
jib,
it
was
just
as
I
said
we
found
remnants
of
it,
whoever
renovated
we
found
one
whole
side.
So
we
know
the
exact
configuration
its
location
and
how
it
was
hinged.
P
The
hinges
are
in
place.
When
we
looked
at
the
The
Belfry
we
found
in
the
top,
we
did
find
what
were
the
notches
for
the
mortise
and
tendons
for
the
exact
size.
We
know
that
it
was
an
eight
by
eight.
We
know
where
it
went
through
the
roof.
We
know
its
location,
we
know
it's
construction
and
then
to
do
the
height
as
Glenn
showed.
I
was
taught
that
we
can
take
existing
photographs.
P
We
could
determine
height
by
reimposing
certain
elements
that
we
do
know
the
height
and
that's
how
you
saw
the
height
the
widths
we
knew
from
the
existing
framing
when
we
crawled
through
there
is
evidence
that
it
was
a
wood
roof.
We
found
a
remnants
of
shingles,
we
found
the
nail
pattern
would
have
been
consistent
with
having
wood
shingles,
but
we
yield
I
mean
the
roof.
P
A
metal
roof
has
been
there
for
some
time,
so
it's
gained
some
historic
significance
on
its
own,
so
that
is
not
I
mean
we're
willing
to
accept
that
readily
conceptually
or
the
rear
Edition.
That's
there
that
we
want
to
propose
to
take
off.
In
our
investigation.
We
found
that
the
lumber
was
dimensional.
Lumber
is
one
and
a
half
by
three
and
a
half
and
the
fed.
The
department
was
at.
P
The
interior
did
not
mandate
the
use
of
one
and
a
half
by
three
and
a
half,
as
opposed
to
one
in
five
eighths,
but
five
and
five
eighths
to
1964..
So
we
knew
it
was
after
1964
when
this
Slumber
was
milled
and
installed
and
that's
a
great
tool
we
have
for
dating
materials
and
some
of
the
methods
that
we've
used.
Well,
let
me
go
back
to
the
concept
conceptually.
We
wanted
to
have
the
rear
of
this
Chapel
visible
from
any
point,
so
you
will
see
that's
why
the
glass
hyphen
is
there.
P
It
also
does
minimal
damage
to
the
roof.
Elevation
will
have
to
flash
it.
D
P
It
is
but
the
approach
that
I
take
in
any
addition.
Well,
let
me
go
back
to
concept
conceptually
one
wanted
people
to
see
this
gym
the
way
it
was.
We
did
our
light
study
from
the
inside.
We
want,
when
you're
inside
the
Chapel,
to
make
sure
you
know
that
that
was
a
rear
wall,
so
the
glass
locations
and
size
were
all
done
so
that
anywhere
in
the
chapel,
when
you
look
through
you'll,
see
sunlight
lighting,
the
the
doors.
So
again,
it
looks
it
emphasizes
that
it
was
an
existing
wall.
P
It's
flooded
with
sunlight,
it's
not
in
encountered,
as
you
will
see
the
in
the
past.
What
we've
done
is
the
low
roof.
As
you
see
there
and
I
do
that,
to
hide
vents,
roof
fence
excavation
whatever,
and
we
have
to
put
in
a
lift
that
will
be.
You
will
see
on
one
of
the
label
the
side
elevation,
South
elevation.
We
have
a
lift
in
there.
Instead
of
trying
to
do
a
ramp
for
ADA
compliance
and
the
height
of
that
fence,
you'll
see
a
shaded
area.
P
We
propose
that
it'd
be
as
high
as
that
I'm
talking
to
staff.
They
had
a
requirement
for
the
lower
one.
So
that's
what
this
elevation
reflects,
but
we
would
like
to
take
a
little
higher
to
hide
all
the
mechanical
equipment,
for
this
lift
the
way
I
approach,
any
addition
to
Historic
structure
I
do
not
bear
on
any
point
of
a
historic
structure.
This
addition,
it's
cantilevered
from
the
rear
to
where
it
goes,
to
the
face,
the
existing
structure,
all
the
materials,
the
greenhouse
or
whatever
we're
going
to
call
it.
P
The
atrium
is
going
to
be
built
out
of
mahogany.
We
are
going
to
have
to
have
metal
flashing
because
that's
the
only
way
we
can
control
drainage
from
the
roof
panels
themselves,
as
you
can
imagine,
that's
impossible
to
do
with
wood,
even
if
it
were
a
mahogany
and
so
the
low
roof
of
address
the
shape
of.
P
If
you
look
at
the
floor
plans,
you
will
see
that
the
new
addition,
when
you
look,
you
only
see
the
Gable
in
the
walls
to
the
bathrooms
and
all
that
are
recessed
from
that.
So
as
you're
looking
from
the
outside,
it
will
not
look
like
it's
part
of
the
roof.
It'll,
look
like
it's
floating
inside
this
volume.
P
Again,
the
water.
Maintaining
the
water
is
a
is
always
an
issue
I'm,
a
big
proponent
of
downspouts
and
gutters.
Being
something
that's
not
just
added.
We
would
locate
where
they
are
in
this
case.
Oh,
we
find
it
standard
gutters.
It
would
be
almost
impossible
to
close
them
off
at
a
corner.
So
we
have
a
collection
box,
that's
detailed
in
there
being
built
and
it's
sloped
as
you
will
see
rather
drastically,
but
that's
so
it
can
be
self-flushing
and
then
the
chains
I'm
just
a
big
fan
of
rain
chains,
I
think
they're.
P
Most
especially
you
don't
get
a
lot
of
freezing,
but
when
they
freeze
at
Christmas
the
ice
dripping.
But
again
it's
something.
That's
visible
from
the
chapel
you're
from
you're
further
north
than
we
are
I
know,
but
but
it's
Pleasant
down
here,
I'm
thinking
about
opening
up
a
branch
office.
Here
anyway,
we
found
the
porch
we
crawled
underneath
and
we
found
that
the
concrete
was
poured
against
the
existing
wood.
The
seal
is
still
there.
P
They
break
down
between
the
original
piers
and
just
oyster
shells
are
dumped
in
there
and
then
a
concrete
slab
poured
on
top
of
that.
Glenn
mentioned
the
Landscaping.
We
know,
since
these
were
just
doors,
that
there
was
some
kind
of
porch
there,
but
we
do
not
know
its
extent
and
the
church
has
agreed
we're
getting
a
landscape
forensic.
So
we
can
try
to
see
if
there's
remnants
of
the
post,
so
we
can
determine
its
location.
Obviously
it's
going
to
be
some
interpretation
as
to
the
which
way
the
steps
went.
P
If
we
don't
know
and
so
on,
but
find
some
evidence
of
that.
But
in
talking
to
Glenn
that's
something
we
will
document
further
and
then
come
back.
We
have
no
problem
doing
that
I'm
a
big
proponent
of
finding
evidence
of
something
before
I
hint.
The
other
thing
we
found
we
found
the
Outriggers
for
the
original
roof
on
the
back
again.
These
guys
were
great.
They
just
built
over
and
they
left
left
a
lot
of
historic
Fabric
in
place
without
alternate.
P
Like
I
said,
the
windows
are
custom,
built
they're,
all
wood
they'll
be
true,
divided,
light
single
pane.
So
it's
historic
mechanical
equipment.
If
you
look
at
the
plan
of
the
tower.
P
You
will
see
that
we
know
the
again
the
configuration
and
to
keep
the
water
out.
We
basically
built
in
a
hip
roof
that
goes
into
the
corners
and
that's
going
to
be
a
little
shelf.
I'm
hoping
we
can
use
Sanyo
units
which,
for
air
conditioning
and
their
compressors
are
very
small,
I
hope
I
can
locate
them
up
here
to
hide
them
from
the
ground
and
also
from
view
from
anywhere
else.
So
it's
that's
to
be
determined
and
we
can
come
back
with
that,
but
I'm
going
to
push
that
pretty
hard
with
our
HVAC
contractor.
A
P
P
Know
but
we
know
it's
not
a
door,
the
way
ajib
windewick
you
raise
the
lower
Sash
and
then
the
the
jib
doors
opened
up
like
French
doors,
so
you
can
walk
out
of
them,
so
the
height
I.
P
A
It
looks
like
a
window,
but
it's
actually
it's
actually
a
door.
P
P
P
A
P
And
we
found
a
couple
of
shutter
hinges.
We
also
found
holes
in
some
of
the
original
board
and
battens,
where
the
shutter
dogs
would
have
been
I
mean
they're
exactly
where
a
shutter
would
open
so.
But
we
have
to
document
that
for.
P
I
won't
propose
them
unless
there's
some
historic
president
for
them
I
mean
they're,
not
just
to
say
I
like
them.
We
think
they're
there's
a
precedent
form,
but
again
we
want
to
make
sure
you're
happy
with
that,
and
if
you
look
at
the
details,
the
other
thing
that
we
did
is
they
we
made
them
appear
to
be
historically
outside,
but
when
they're
closed
we're
going
to
have
aluminum
panels
that
can
be
put
in
there
for
storm
protection
to
savor
windows
from
so
I'm
sure
hurricane
is
yeah
things
like
that.
P
A
P
Well,
we
we
only
proposed
it
because
we
did
find
evidence.
We
found
shutters
that
I
mean
shingles
that
were
left
there.
The
nailing
pattern
in
the
battens.
They
would
have
had
the
nil
closer
together
than
if
it
were
metal
roof,
because
you
know
metal
roofs
are
this
wide
and
they
only
nailed
where
they
had
a
seam.
We
have
nail
holes
scatter
more
internally,
but
again,
if
we
can't
document
it
totally
I
well,
that
would.
P
P
Well,
I
want
further
documentation,
I
mean
I,
just
want
further
documentation
just
to
make
sure
you
know
we
found
some
evidence,
that's
why
we
proposed
it,
because
that
would
be
the
most
drastic
if
we
cut
back
to
metal,
which
is
a
determination
by
the
church
too,
because
that
will
get
into
cost
and
longevity
of
maintaining
the
roof.
But
metal
panels
were
put
there
I'm
sure
that
the
first
pair
was
probably
you
know,
turn
of
the
century,
or
at
least
earlier
well
before
that
yeah.
So.
A
D
M
P
Would
not
question
or
I
would
not
be
opposed
to
that
either
what
type
of
metal
roof
well
again
I
hope
I
find
some
Clues.
Okay
and
again,
we
I
have
to
talk
to
the
church,
the
last
church
we
did.
P
We
had
turn
coded
copper
because
it
has
the
longevity
of
you
know:
it'll
outlive
Bluffton
and
it's
very
expensive
though
it
is,
but
we
don't
have
a
lot
or
or
we
go
back,
it'll
probably
be
an
aluminum,
that's
permacoded,
which
is
has
the
coating
baked
on
it
and
it's
you
know
we
can
get
a
40-year
warranty
on
that
which
has
been
my
experience
for
the
roofs
we've
done
in
Virginia,
who
has
a
much
more
severe
because
we
have
snow
on
it.
It
slides
it
scratches.
P
A
D
P
The
other
thing
that
I
didn't
mention
is
when
we
do
a
building.
Not
only
does
a
structure
not
touch
in
this
case
we're
we're
going
to
restore
the
exterior
of
the
existing
Chapel
boards
and
batons,
but
the
hyphen,
the
glass
hyphen
we're
putting
in
slip
joints
so
that
my
addition
or
the
church
either
one
can
settle
or
rise.
So
you
allow
for
movement
which
we
know
they
start
building
will
probably
settle
before
my
new
stuff
because
of
footings,
so
there's
a
slip
joint,
so
it
can
settle
and
none
of
the
it
won't
tear
the
purlins.
P
P
To
be
and
a
quick
note,
the
church
has
We've
interviewed
and
talked
and
gotten
proposal
from
a
landmark
preservation
who
I
worked
for
who
worked
for
me
in
Fredericksburg.
These
guys
have
worked
on
Mount
Vernon
they've
done
the
White
House
under
three
presidents,
Supreme
Court,
Monticello
and
currently
they're
doing
all
the
scads
work.
So
these
guys
are
they
live
and
breathe
this
stuff
and
their
proposal
was
in
line
with
other
people.
You
know
they
keep.
They
have
a
camera
in
their
tool
bags.
P
These
guys
are
just
you
know,
so
any
molding
we
need
they
turn
in
house.
We
don't
use.
You
know
Pine
that
we
get
today
because
it's
so
quick
grown.
It
has
no
no
durability,
so
we
propose
use
mahogany
or
other
materials
because
once
it's
painted
you
know
it'll,
look
historic,
but
it
will
be
real
wood
and
it
will
last
so.
A
Q
Sorry
I'm
going
to
tell
my
wife
you,
you
know
you
saw
that
you
put
me
together
well
today,
like
I'm
the
past
of
Campbell
Chapel
Amy
church,
and
we
wanted
Mr
McGee
to
address
you
first,
because
he
could
answer
some
of
the
technical
things,
but
the
people
you're
seeing
sitting
here.
Many
of
them
are
members.
Campbell
Chapel
was
first
built
as
a
part
of
the
Saint
Luke
parish
of
the
Methodist
Episcopal
Church
South
by
enslaved
people
who
actually
worshiped
there
in
1853
and
in
1874
nine.
Q
Previously
enslaved
men
purchased
the
church
for
500
in
cash,
which
was
quite
a
sum
back
then
in
the
middle
of
reconstruction,
and
we
call
those
nine
men,
the
Campbell,
Chapel
nine
and
some
of
the
people
sitting
in
this
room
right
now.
The
Jacksons
and
others
are
descendants
of
the
Campbell,
Chapel,
nine,
and
so,
while
James
McGee
is
working
on
the
building
physically
we're
working
on
the
the
stories
and
and
the
history.
That's
in
that
building
and
I'm
saying
that
so
you'll
know
the
care
that
we
have.
Q
R
Your
name
and
yeah
I'm
Frank
Gadson,
we,
my
my
great
Grand
uncle,
was
one
of
the
former
slaves
that
freed
man
that
actually
purchased
a
church
and
my
family.
Since
then,
you
know
we
were
members
of
the
church.
I
left
came
back,
home
came
right
back
to
the
church,
I
was
partially
responsible
to
having
the
new
church
built.
We
I
was
assisting
in
that
and
we
we're
watching
this
project
and
we
wanted
to
happen.
R
A
Is
what
a
wonderful
story
you
know
we're
so
blessed
and
fortunate
to
have
folks
like
you
and
our
Bluffton
is
just
a
fantastic
place.
I'm
glad
to
call
is
my
home
and
thank
you
for
the
addition
of
that
and
thank
you,
for
you
know
the
effort.
That's
going
forward
to
do
these
I
think
it's
just
very
excited
to
be
part
of
this
thing
too.
Just
by
saying
thanks.
A
C
P
Of
these,
if
you
tell
me
it
has
to
be
a
two
by
five,
no
problem
either,
but
it
was
just
done
to
one
the
materials
we
use.
Are
you
know:
they're
stable,
well,
I'm,
not
worried
about
the
more
inner
cupping,
because
you
know
it's,
it's
not
Pine.
It
was
milled
two
days
ago,
but
and
so
yes,
it
is
a
one,
but
that's
just
purely
from
experience
and
not
any
of
them.
Just
digging
down
into
the
details.
That's
okay!
A
M
Question
I
would
have
is,
if,
if
we
are
to
deny
the
use
of
shutters
because
there's
no
evidence
and
then
there
is
evidence
found
as
I
hope,
there
will
be.
It
sounds
like
there's
a
good
promise
for
it.
Is
that
something
that
staff
can
then
review
and
approve
at
a
later
date,
I
guess
I'll.
J
O
We're
looking
for
photo
documentation,
drawing
documentation,
you
know
an
architect
drawing
that
says
these
were
were
going
in
what
about
hardware
and
Hardware
that
dates
to
the
right
period
like
they
want
to
take
it
back
to
the
1874
period.
So
if
you
can
find
hardware
dating
to
that
period
in
a
later
period,
that
would
work,
but.
O
J
C
I
think
Lynn
is
asking
for
the
applicant
to
point.
Do
a
drawing
and
point
here's.
J
J
O
P
A
P
Think
it's
really
cool,
but
some
of
the
walls
we
were
able
to
move.
So
we
didn't
want
to
do
too
much
until
we
had
approval
and
you
know
so
what
we
could
tear
in
and
out.
P
D
O
A
A
Any
further
discussion.
K
I
just
have
one
quick
item
for
discussion,
and
it
is
brief.
Thank
you
all
for
your
time
tonight
and
your
patience
as
we
work
through
all
these
important
projects.
Tonight
is
Mary
Vox,
Bell's
last
meeting
here
on
the
HPC,
and
we
are
very
sad
to
see
her
go
she's
relocating.
So
it's
something
that
she
no
longer
is
serving
on
the
HPC.
K
She
has
served
for
the
last
two
years
incredible
over
two
years
and
she
has
done
a
wonderful
job
representing
these
projects,
and
so
we
wanted
to
express
our
things
to
her
for
being
on
this
commission
and
all
of
the
work
that
she's
done.
We
know
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
challenging
projects
before
you
all
and
you
all
take
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
when
you
review
these
and
she
got
married,
I
did
and
she
got
married,
which
is
a
big
congratulations
but
less
to
do
with
this
commission
yeah.
K
K
K
Even
so,
he
has
done
an
excellent
job
running
this
this
ship,
and
we
really
appreciate
all
that
you've
done
for
this
commission
and
the
time
that
you've
spent
the
numerous
phone
calls
that
you've
made
to
ask
questions
ahead
of
time
and
all
of
the
things
that
you
have
done.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
on
this
commission.
It
is
not
unnoticed
by
staff.
It
is
not
unnoticed
by
your
applicants
that
come
before
you
and
we
appreciate
appreciate
you
greatly.
So
thank
you
guys.
This
is
border
looker.
A
Just
to
kind
of
you
know
setting
precedent,
you
know
I
think
I
talked
about
that
and
I
hope
that
we
remember
this.
You
know
was
a
precedent
set
or
are
we
sending
a
new
precedent
so
just
kind
of
consider
that
location
of
service
yards
keep
the
service
yard
question
going
and
which
includes
exterior
tankless
water
heaters
and
such
like
that
I
have
a
question
about
and
I'm
just
going
to.
A
Lay
this
out
here
is
the
site
feature:
permit
abuse
I'm,
putting
that
out
there
just
because
I
feel
I've
been
walking
around
town
and
I,
see
that
there's
been
some
fight
site
feature
and
we
passed
some
information
a
while
back
and
I'm
just
kind
of
going
as
the
commission.
Let's
kind
of
watch
that
I
feel
that
there's
going
to
be
some
abusing
going
on
with
what
they
call
site
feature
permitting
I,
don't
know
if
anyone
else
is
aware.
A
What's
going
on
in
some
of
the
projects
that
are
going
on
right
now,
but
you
as
commission
I,
think,
are
going
to
be
able
to
voice
that
opinion
more
than
I
am
in
the
future,
so
I'm
laying
that
on
your
lap,
The.
A
Since,
instead
of
not
emotion
preparing
for
meetings,
you
know
please
prepare
for
meetings,
I
prepared
for
meetings
and
I
thought
it
was
very
important
to
do
your
dog
on
homework
and
read
the
you
know,
you're
able
to
ask
Harry
for
packets
and
he's
always
been
good,
because
I
killed
trees,
but
I
get
my
packets
and
I
review
them
showing
up
for
meetings.
I.
Think
all
of
us
have
been
really
good
at
that,
so
I,
don't
have
to
say
that
about
others,
making
motions
I
think
we
all
need
to
reconsider.
A
Making
motions
motions
are
difficult
and
sometimes
hard
and
just
shut
up
and
go
start
making
motions
and
scare
yourself
always
be
respectful.
Always
welcoming
you
know
everyone,
that's
here:
staff
and
applicants
and
guests.
Please
do
that
when
making
future
motions,
possibly
avoid
making
reference
to
specific
manufacturers.
A
I
think
we
talked
about
that
and
I
just
kind
of
laying
that
out
so
gutters
and
gutters
have
been
kind
of
one
of
my
little
pet
peeves,
because
I
see
a
whole
bunch
of
gutters
in
Old
Town
that
don't
comply
either
being
done
after
before
or
during.
So
please
start
seeing
more
wear
gutters.
A
You
know
we're
supposed
to
be
putting
the
shutters
burn,
that's
something
that's
coming
off
of
a
truck
and
then
anyway,
so
in
final,
keep
Bluffton
Bluffton
and
keeping
the
history
and
keeping
the
state
of
mind
and
what
a
wonderful
way
to
finish
this
off
because
boy,
that's
what
the
elements
of
all
this
is
about:
the
history
of
that
and
I'm
proud
to
say
that
I'm
moving
on
and
I
was
believe
it
or
not.
They
approved
me
on
the
board
for
the
foundation,
so
you
stuck
you
guys
and
I
still
feel.
A
That
was
my
brucesms,
so
I'm
looking
for
emotion,.
A
Second,
one:
second,
all
in
favor,
aye
aye,
no
discussion,
meaning
closed.