Bedford County, Virginia Board of Supervisors Public Meetings, 14 Aug 2023

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uh Mr kessler, if you call your board I'd like to call this planning commission meeting for.

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Bedford county to order, thank you I'd like to welcome everyone to the meeting tonight on just.

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A couple of rules of decorum, if you could turn your cell phones off or on the vibrate, if you.

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Could also remove your hat if you're gentleman and then we will begin this with a moment of silence.

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Thank you if we could stand for the pledge of allegiance.

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My pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic, for which.

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It stands one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.

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All right, um everyone should have a copy of our agenda for this evening or any questions.

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Look for a motion for adoption.

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We have motion by mr johnson second about ms bansley, all those in favor signify by saying.

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Aye aye all opposed motion passes. This brings us to our citizen comment period time. Our time.

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We've got three public hearings tonight, so the citizen comment time at this point is for any.

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Topic not related to those three public hearings. So if it's short-term rentals boarding, house or fy.

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House, those those comments will be saved for those portions during the agenda, so you'll have three.

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Minutes and you'll see a clock over there. It will begin as soon as you complete your name in your.

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Voting district or address whichever you'd like to use, then that three-minute goes it will beep.

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And that is the end of your time, so I need you to adhere to that. I will stop you at the three minute.

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Mark so I don't have anybody that has signed up specifically for the citizen comment period.

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Time but if you would like to speak, if you just raise your hand, I'd be glad to call you forward.

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Right, don't see anyone for that, so we'll close that citizen comment time.

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And that will move us into our joint public hearings with the planning commission. This.

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Evening, the first one that's up is consideration of an ordinance.

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Of many short-term rental in the bedford county, zoden ordinance, which is ordinance.

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Hear from jordan mitchell.

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Thank you, mr chairman. Let me give a brief presentation. Excuse me, thank you, mr chairman.

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We'll give a brief presentation tonight over the short terminal ordinance changes uh for you all.

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So I just kind of want to go over the current ordinance issue. So, as we've been talking about.

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With the planning commission, as well as you, uh it's just an ordinance, that's very difficult for.

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One for us, the key component of that ordinance is the override oxygen limitation and, as we've.

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Talked about it's really just the bed, checks going and checking these homes late at night to see if.

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They're complying with the over occupancy and the other issue with our current ordinance. I'm.

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Sorry, I'm sorry, but that light on that is blaring right. Thank you. Sorry, you're wrong and the other.

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Issue with the current ordinance is, of course, as we mentioned, as uh compliance with the code.

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Of virginia you know, carter virginia requires a yearly registry. Our ordinance has a permit. That is.

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Good indefinitely, if he's provide for a realtor's exemption code of virginia said, you have to have.

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More than free violations, our corridor and it says three or more violations at the third level. We.

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Can revoke a permit and of course it also sets a maximum of 500 penalty for the failure to register.

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So I want to kind of go over our current ordinance and the fine structure within it.

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There's two sections of the ordinance there's section 30-221, which is criminal penalties in.

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Section 30-22, which is civil penalties under the criminal penalties, ordinance uh fine of.

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Ten to one thousand dollars is a it's a possibility of a penalty that we can levy.

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uh Once we go to court with that penalty, failure to remove or abate the violation within a court.

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Specified time another fine of ten to a thousand dollars and, of course, for every 10-day period that.

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Violation has not been removed after the court. Specified time is an additional 100 to 1 500 fine.

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Of course, the other section of the ordinance is civil penalties, the initial summons, for that is 25 to 200, fine, any additional summons after that is a 50 to 500 fine.

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So kind of what's changed in this new proposed ordinance, so the proposed ordinance is compliant.

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With the code of virginia, as I mentioned earlier, those items that we've had that list of non-compliance who are in this code. There will be a new definition for short-term rental and.

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Operator and these opportunities definitions were taken straight from the code of virginia.

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There will be a registration that is yearly. Zoning permit issuance will confirm that registration.

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There will be a 500 penalty for failure to register a short-term rental.

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Overnight, occupant restrictions are replaced by a management plan and restrictions on advertisement.

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And kind of we'll go into some details with those here in the next couple of slides.

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Parking of vehicles must be on the rental property.

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As I mentioned earlier, permit replication possible after more than three violations.

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And we also give notice in this ordinance that we will do an inspection if the there.

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Is a violation or complaint depending upon the type of complaint or violations requested.

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To kind of go into the proposed changes, the key elements of this ordinance, the enforcement you.

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Know require management plan for all operators. The management plan will include the fit a number of.

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Guests, along with parking information, dwelling floor plan, local points of contact respond to.

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Complaints an advertisement plan garbage disposal and any additional information.

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Requested to ensure concordance compliance, I want to be very clear all short-term rental.

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Operators will have to submit a management plan to us for approval, even the realtors that are.

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Managing the properties, they are typically the operator and they will have to submit this to us.

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Property served by private sewage disposal systems will follow the.

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System design, two persons per bedroom from the virginia department of health permit.

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Of course, advertising a rental: this is a new addition to the ordinance as well. This will.

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Kind of coincide with the management plan, the advertisement of the short-term rental.

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Will need to comply with the issue, permit the registration approval or any other provision.

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Of the short-term rental restrictions- and this includes the management plan.

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Okay, so the advertisement that we approve of needs to be.

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Basically, the same as the management plan, so our advertisement says the home's going to.

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Sleep or have a total occupancy of six people. We expect the advertisement to stay the same.

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You have any questions I can answer from a planning perspective.

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uh Right now, new applications fees are 50 and the same will be for the.

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New for the people that are required to register every year, yes, correct.

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Yes, I have a question, mr mitchell, uh with regard to the um with regard to the realtors, we'll also.

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Have to comply with the management plan. Yeah they've got to be known if it's they're, not.

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Registered per the state law because I'm sorry say that again, how will you know who has who's.

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Managing or operating a rental home, if they're not required to register per the state law, we.

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Would have to reach out to the homeowner, so let's say we get a violation for uh this property that.

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Is uh does not have a short terminal permit in our system, we would reach out to them with an.

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Inquiry letter asking them are they operating a short-term rental based on the evidence we have.

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They could tell us at that point in time that we are that our property is being managed by a.

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Realtor and at that point in time, we would ask them to give us a management plan. Okay,.

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So not until there's a violation would they be required to file this management plan.

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No, we will be requiring all that is the key that will be a violation in the ordinance they don't.

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Do that so that will be, we would find them for that, even though they're not required.

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By the state law to register, the operators are all required to submit management plans to us.

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They don't have to register the on the registry, but they have to give.

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Us a management plan, they have to comply with the rest of the ordinance sections.

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The only thing they're exempt from in the code of virginia is the registry.

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Is the management plan a yearly submittal as well, when they renew.

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The their permit, they will have to update that every year. Correct, yes,.

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Every year we would be looking at those short terminals to tell us one: are they still using.

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The same management company I mean they could change, so we were looking at yearly. They.

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Could also change within the year cycle and maybe required to register at that point in time as well.

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So, yes, everything will be on a yearly basis and is the yearly cycle our cycle or is it the.

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Code of virginia the registry cycle is a yearly cycle. Yes, how did you come up with fifty dollars.

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That's what we charge for every zoning permit that we issue for the registration so keep in.

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Mind the the management plans and so forth. We don't have a fee structure for that, so that will.

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Be something we'll just have in the office that we're reviewing a program without charging a fee.

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You you mentioned that they were limited to two per um approved bedroom capacity based on sewer.

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Or if they're, on a based on their septic system, um do we have properties that are on sewer? That would.

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Also fall under this sure and then what type of limitation do they have with respect to occupants.

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We still have the ability to take a look at, even though we don't have an occupancy limit set for.

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Those we can still look at the amount of bedrooms they have in the home and how they're how they're.

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Managing their home and have an overall approval of that, so, for instance, we were kind of still look.

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Into that two-bed, two person per bedroom kind of deal unless there's some other scenario. For that.

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So do we have provision for that absent? um You know if they're on sewer, instead of septic.

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There is no necessarily provision of how many the occupants can be in there when.

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It's on sewer, that's correct. It's it's going to be just us. Reviewing other management plan and.

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Seeing if it coincides with, um you know our the home, that's there the amount of bedrooms in the.

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Home from the certificate of occupancy in our office, there's no health department, involvement.

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There we can determine what that number is yes, okay, yeah and that number, if they don't like the.

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Number we give them that's an appealable action they can send to the board of zoning appeals.

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Yeah the questions for staff.

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I won't see anything. Thank you, mr chairman. All right, thank you. Okay, that will move us into the.

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Citizen comment portion of this, um so just as a reminder you can, if you've signed up to speak.

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Tonight- and you have not spoken on this subject in the last 90 days- that another planning commission.

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Meeting or board of supervisors meeting you'll be able to speak tonight. I do have one person that.

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Has signed up that did speak at our last meeting on this topic. um You will have three minutes. You.

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Cannot give your time to someone else? You have three minutes to speak um and we also have.

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Already received many written statements that have already been written entered into the record, so I.

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Will start our um public comment time now and the first person I had signed up is deborah hoffback.

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Good evening I'm deborah huff back. My address is 210 driftwood court in moneta.

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First of all, I want to thank the planning, commission and the county commissioners.

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For addressing short-term rentals, because in my neighborhood we have had lots of problems.

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With them in particular, my biggest concern is actually maximum occupancy, and I know that you've.

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Gone through several different iterations on how you want to state that in the ordinance. But I'm.

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A little bit concerned about the way that it's come about, that the latest revision on that is.

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Because if you're on a septic tank system, I'm still a little bit concerned about how.

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The occupancy is determined for those because, for example, in my neighborhood.

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We have two new houses recently built by the same owner, exact same floor plan, exact same.

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Installation the one has been registered as a five bedroom. The other is a six bedroom.

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But that five bedroom house they're advertising that they can have 16 people there their actual.

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Occupancy is 20 and they have eight cars going in and out in and out all day all night and the.

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Other one, for some reason, has a bit approved as a six bedroom. They're advertising 20 people there.

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And also kind of in relation to that, since you're not not going to be requiring any kind of septic.

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Tank pump out for these septic tanks, it's like how do you know they're not going to be overflowing.

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So I know that that was one thing that was taken out of the ordinance revisions that I.

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I would really like to see put back in there to have some kind of requirement on the pump outs.

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um The other concern I have is about houses that are on county public sewer, the same owner.

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Is building eight more identical houses which have building permits, saying that they're five.

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Bedroom houses yet they're already advertising that they're going to be seven bedroom houses.

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With 18 plus people, the other one that they're building is already advertised at nine bedrooms, so.

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22 plus people and there's eight of these that are all going to be right next to each other. On the.

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Public sewer system- and so I'm really concerned, do we really want somebody running out to 22.

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Plus people with eight houses right next to each other, so I'm hoping that you'll reconsider about.

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The houses that are on the septic on the public sewer systems having something in.

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The ordinance that actually specifies what their maximum occupancy can be and again.

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The same thing on the houses that are on the septic systems: septic tanks. I do hope that.

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um That it can be enforceable to not exceed what the septic system allows or the max.

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Of two bedroom, two people per bedroom, so thank you very much. Thank you. Miss outback.

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Just in time, that's how you do it folks. Next up is carrie sarvey and following her would be.

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um In lake cook,.

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Good evening I am carrie sarvey and I am a resident in district. One.

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I am the author of what are the gains and have you ever considered that I have sent to both boards.

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Over the past few weeks, although both letters pose several questions, there was only one response to.

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Acknowledge receipt, but I do understand that you have been undated with the wants and desires and.

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Suggestions for many other letters, emails phone calls and other things that are being suggested.

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But that's exactly why we're all here tonight and why there should be such an emphasis put on.

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The thought and consideration on this ordinance how it is written and how importantly and more.

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Importantly, how it's going to be enforced? This has been a hot topic for many years now, and many of us.

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Have come to every meeting, sent emails letters and asked for you to hear us as residents in bedford,.

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County, we are the residents in bedford, county, we are the families, the working class and the stable.

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Sustainable future for our county, we are not here to make a quick buck or to turn something.

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Out, we are not here to exploit the environment or the economy or the legal or civil systems in.

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Bedford county, we are here to raise our children to grow businesses, to protect our properties and.

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To provide for our community, we choose to buy houses and live in residential neighborhoods.

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Zoned for r1 and r2 only to only be increasingly overcome with soliciting cesspools of short-term.

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Renters rental properties sprouting out everywhere around us many that are not legal, not registered.

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And many that do not operate with some business practices and yes, they are businesses operating.

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Businesses that solicit services on an open and unfiltered market pulling in whoever will pay the.

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Rent for the houses next door for three days, five days or a week as a mother and a homeowner and a.

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Community member, I never know who's going to be living next door to me for days at a time I never.

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Know my neighbors, because the neighbors on all three sides of me are short-term rental properties.

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Of the four of us back in my cove three are short-term rentals, I'm the only one. That's not.

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I've had to call law enforcement many times in dgif, I'm not proud of that. I do not want to do.

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That when I grew up, you only made these calls and through emergencies, but in bedford, county.

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We're told that that's the way we handle these situations and but for calm, we're told that's.

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The way that they get violations and the way that it's known, that there are issues with the property.

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We're constantly on worry and on alert people we don't know or don't invite come onto our.

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Properties, people compounding onto our front doors, we don't know them, we don't invite them sometimes.

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It's because they're, high or they're, drunk or sometimes they're just plain loss, because the.

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Dps system brought them to our driveway instead of the one next door. We don't know these people.

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We don't invite these people, sometimes people we don't know and don't invite drive their.

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Boats without voter licenses from businesses on the the lake to crash into the shoreline, sorry.

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Let's cook and then should be followed by rhonda tyler.

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My name is brinley cook and I live at 129 charmwood circle in monita.

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These problems do not even highlight one of the worst of what of the worst problems. The.

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Overcrowding in these short-term rental properties, it is the overcrowding that leads to the most of.

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The problems, the noise, the partying, the drinking, the trespassing, the showing often disease that.

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Cause accidents and property damage. The most awful problem is not not often seen problems.

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With overtax septic drain fields, a drain field can overflow for years, increa and environmental.

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Problems without being deemed a septic failure, we need strict enforcement of numbers allowed by.

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Septic permits, if the septic is for six people, then six people is the number allowed to rent.

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Strix and for excuse me, strict enforcement of county building codes, I'm seeing short-term.

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Rental properties that convert garages and storage area areas into bedrooms and stack bunk houses in.

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Them we need strict enforcement on properties to obtain the permit, strict enforcements of penalties.

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On those who violate the ordinance, strict enforcement that.

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Strict enforcement of violations against properties that advertise and or rent to.

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More than the allowed number of occupants and a stricter approach to properties that continually.

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Violate the ordinances when a property has been reported or for violations more than three times.

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Pool of that permit short-term rentals is a privilege. It is a privilege not a right.

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Renters leave bedford county. We, the people here tonight the.

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Residents we stay, we are the future of the county in the stable sustainability.

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Citizen three: that is what the county is really built on, hear us please thank you.

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Thank you, mr cook.

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Step is rhonda tyler and she will be followed by walt reichert.

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Tyler, I'm also a citizen of bedford county, I'm also an owner and operator of rock creek.

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Llc here in bedford, my husband and I moved here eight years ago and for the past year.

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uh Five of those years we've been planning and constructing two short-term rental cabins.

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In the rural part of the county near the peaks of otter as part of our future retirement plan,.

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I was a teacher here for the first four years that I moved here and in 2019, I retired, to run.

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Our cabins, our cabins, are located on our nine and a half acre property where we also live. So we are.

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Able to very to be very hands-on host and monitor our guests closely to make sure quiet hours number.

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Of guests, parking, etc are all being complied with. Our guests have 24 7 access to us, which I feel is.

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A really great thing, it's a great thing for us for them and for our neighbors that are that surround.

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Us um a benefit, a benefit for all of us, whose privacy we value greatly, and we want to protect.

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We've had zero issues between our guests and surrounding neighbors. In the four years we've been.

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Operating I know the lake area has a different situation due to the many tourists that visit that.

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Area each year going there for a different reason and they come to us. They come to us to get a quiet.

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Weekend away away from dc- and they just want to be left alone- they're, not there to party. So I know.

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It's an entirely different situation. I certainly empathize with the residents of smith, mountain.

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Lake and their issues with short-term rentals there I appreciate the board's efforts to plan.

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And implement policies that benefit both sides of this issue and protect the rights of all involved.

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There are pros and cons to short-term rentals, but I believe there's a great.

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Value in sharing our beautiful area with others providing unique lodging to draw.

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Them here generate revenue for our county and follow, and our fellow small businesses.

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And small business owners, which we refer our guests to consistently here and at the lake.

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To support them and help the entire county to flourish. Thank you. It's tyler.

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Step is world record, followed by tracy reichert.

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Three minutes: I can't teach a class in an hour and 15.

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And will reichert? I live at 1119, carnes road, bedford, virginia we've been here since 1999.

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And we love bedford county. I was asked to come here this evening on behalf of our neighbors and.

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Friends, the the tylers who live across the street from us- and I really do sympathize with what I've.

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Already heard from the folks from smith, mountain lake and and what those folks are dealing with.

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Ours is a different story on the four years that the tilers had their have had their airbnb. We.

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Have had absolutely no complaints, no disruption to our lifestyle, no adverse effects, no calls to the.

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Police no people wandering at our doorstep- we've had absolutely none of that, so it has absolutely.

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Not affected our lifestyle, one bit and we've even gotten to meet some of the folks who've.

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Stayed at the tyler's airbnbs develop. Some new friendships met some nice folks. So again it's a.

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Completely different situation than what we're hearing that's going on at smith, mountain lake.

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So again, I just came here tonight to just give another side of what we're occurring and maybe.

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There should be two sets of standards on airbnbs for what folks are dealing with in one air part.

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Of the county as to what they're dealing with in the other. Thank you very much. Thank you, mr rucker.

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Up after tracy is.

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Enrich groff.

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Good evening I'm tracy reichert, I also live at 1119 carnes road and we are at the peaks of.

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Otter, so we know about septic fields and drain fields. We've got one big enough to put a small.

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Hotel on in front of our house, but that being said, the airbnbs when you have a proprietor on.

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The property tends to have a huge effect on the results of the renters.

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So what we're hearing from the residents of smith mountain lake is that these are all retail.

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Properties they're built by someone and developed and then handed off to someone else to manage.

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It truly is a totally separate scenario. The drain fields are a problem obviously, but is.

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That the bigger problem, how can we group a small proprietor that has a two or four person limit.

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To a person that has a 20 they're renting to 20 or 22 people, I don't believe that this.

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um Ordinance is a one-size-fits-all type of ordinance.

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You just cannot compare the smaller business with the mega runners out there. Thank you. Thank you.

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Mr gray, up and after after he is a steve pitcher.

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Hello, my name is heidi graf. I'm a 1288, casey's lakeview drive.

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So we have actually a speaker- that is our main speaker, so I'm just supporting him here.

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um For those I agree with all the people that talked before I mean we're all on the same page.

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Kind of this, the the those aseptic tanks that are over overused they should probably get at least a.

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A time frame that they have to be emptied out again regularly more regularly than probably.

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Regular people that live there if they are, if they have over occupancy um and then.

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And then what I, uh what I liked to was a management plan so that, when.

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Police comes to that place that they can see what the occupancy number is.

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Because it may be very difficult for them, otherwise to figure out so I I I I I I like.

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Your presentation too, it's it's down our our alley and then I wanted to say I have I recently built.

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There so- and I have three bedroom two bathrooms and we get an occupancy permit for seven.

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So, and uh if then, I can hardly imagine that they have the same in the same area, there's.

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One house that maybe it's a little bit bigger has more bedrooms, but there can be 20 people.

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And I kind of hardly, I can't see how they park, how they, how they will get around there.

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So I don't know, that's for me business and not that's, probably a gray area between.

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A little business for residents and really business people that come in in an area.

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Where there's a residential area and just build a business up there and and make as much profit as.

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Possible out of what's already there yeah, that's what I want to say. Thank you. Thank you. Mr grew.

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Up what's up it's steve, pitcher and then mrs pitcher will follow.

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Good evening I'm steve pitcher and my wife and I live at 1490 casey's lakeview drive.

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I've been here several times, as you know, to try and discuss our concerns. I spent 20 years.

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In the military, my teams were one of the first into baghdad international airport. We hunted.

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Down war criminals in serbia, we supported the first truly free elections in northern.

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Iraq, so I'm used to fighting for fairness and against injustice and never giving up.

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um I sent an email late last night. I hope you all received it. I think it's a fairly reasoned, logical.

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Middle ground, something that that we should all be able to support. But I'm have you know, but.

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You know, and I have to believe that all of us you know, wants the best for bedford, county and.

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That this amendment should be intended to find a short-term rental policy that is simple to.

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Implement simple to enforce, encourages operators to self-enforce reduces the likelihood of large.

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Obnoxious gatherings which we get and reduces neighbors frustrations and the need for them to.

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Report non-compliance and increase his fines to support staffing enforcement and reduces the need.

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To investigate non-compliance, and fortunately the currently proposed wording will not do that and.

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Will continue to frustrate neighbors the planning commission, the board of supervisor the people and.

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Jordan, mitchell's office and sheriff's office attempting to enforce it. I know jordan was up.

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Here and was speaking about how you know how this is, you know how all these things are. All these.

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Good things, unfortunately, that's not the wordings in there there's confusion. That's in there and.

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There's ways that we can write craft it so that reduces that confusion and will help us to do.

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To enforce it, better, uh we've got to get the max. We've got to figure out how to define that maximum.

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Occupancy and we have- I have gone and taken photos morning. I said before 7 a.m, after 8 p.m. At night,.

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Every night showing the nine you know the the four to nine cars in the driveway of that one developer.

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That you've heard so much about today, mike beeville he's ruining the lake. I mean you look.

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At all of the house, all of these all the examples have been used tonight have been his houses over.

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Over occupancy a house with an eight-person um uh eight-person septic tank 29 people, the the.

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New houses they're going to be on on sewage, but they're. You know on state on city, city, county.

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Water and sewer, but the problem there is the first two houses are already be almost done, not almost.

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Done they've started and they're planning to uh planning to uh to rent at seven bedrooms for 18.

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Nine bedrooms for 22. this is in an r2 residential area. If you count up how many that would be you're.

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Talking about 50 cars in that neighborhood, which is a small cul-de-sac, where are those cars going.

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To go you've taken out the the requirement for all cars to be inside. On the you know, inside the.

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Driveway you're, allowing them to be anywhere on the road. Okay, that's one piece that needs to be.

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Added back in there, cars must be on the property to be with with 50 cars out there. It's clearly a.

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Rental, okay, so thank you, mr speaker. Three minutes is not enough, but you've got it. I would like to.

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Make sure that what I sent last night is in the record, because it is, it divides with good.

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Recommendation, thank you. Miss pitcher you're up next that'll be followed. Bob paul's sroth.

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Paula pitcher 1490, casey's lakeview drive. You guys have seen us plenty of times so. First of all, I'd.

S

Like to thank those of you who have already spoken and they made a good point, there are two different.

S

Areas of this county when you're renting short term on you, know peaks of water. It is totally.

S

Different than what we're experiencing on the lake that should be considered because our neighborhood.

S

We are on the lake we have been approached just in the last two months by short-term rental agencies.

S

To buy our home, this is our home that we live in every day because they want our property, because.

S

Of money, this is what this is our home. We are not 25 35. We can't just pack up and move this.

S

Is our home that we are retiring in? We are being approached by short-term rental agencies wanting.

S

To buy our home, they have went through every home in our neighborhood doing the same thing.

S

So um those of you who are short-term rental people- this is what's happened in our neighborhood.

S

Recently, not only have we had one house that rented for 27 people, that's a four bedroom house.

S

Clearly, over occupancy the other house on the other side of us, we've had.

S

15 people in a four bedroom house they had partying. There were teenagers passed out on.

S

The lawn they were, they approached our dog. He was deaf and tried to scare her.

S

um There were little kids on the property. These things are happening. In addition, the.

S

Same house renting for 15, 20 people and there's trash cans, there was trash, it's overflowing, the.

S

Trash and it's going down on our streets and these these things have got to stop what you.

S

Guys you guys who are renting that don't have issues think about what we are experiencing.

S

We had one arrest and there was an altercation, we don't know the terms of it. It was recorded.

S

People were arrested, this is happening next door to us and I would like to have one more.

S

Thing to say our neighbor, who couldn't be here tonight. She is a county planner in a rural area,.

S

She frequently gets people who are buying homes in the property where she is a county.

S

Planner- and this is what she recently said, and you can contact her for validity of this.

S

um A person was talking about the process. She was wanting wanting to buy a million plus dollar home.

S

And she was asking questions: she's a very informed land and land owner and had done her research on.

S

The area in which they had purchased property, the conversation quickly turned into natural.

S

Areas and short-term rentals- and this is what she said- we have done a lot of research about.

S

Where to buy property, we looked at many areas within a dc area outside the dc area. We actually.

S

Tried to find a place on smith mountain lake for a long time, but there's apparently some.

S

Reluctance on at least one side of the lake to regulate short-term rentals. We definitely.

S

Don't want to build our dream dream home in an area where there is at risk of neighbors going.

S

Where our neighbors are going to be running hotels, we rented several places and really liked.

S

Bedford's side of the lake, but we could tell there were rentals around us and we just don't want that.

S

They're going to destroy everything that makes them desirable. This is the reputation bedford.

S

County is given so two things to consider the choices you make on this matter have long-term.

S

Implications on the type and quality of future growth, one of the primary purposes of planning.

S

Zoning is to protect the health, safety and well-being of citizens again, we know that.

S

Short-Term rentals are here: have you considered getting a working team of the short-term rentals.

S

You guys and the citizens they're sorry there can be a way to everybody work together. It's.

S

Called working teams- and it's just something to think about appreciate your time. Thank you.

A

T

I'm paul schroth, I live just over the county line in campbell county been living there for 16 years.

T

From upstate new york, retired early out of the auto industry, I love the central virginia area.

T

Have enjoyed bedford county for recreation and my wife and I had a plan in our retirement to.

T

Buy a property here in bedford and we thought about smith, mountain lake, but.

T

We thought it was a little too busy down there.

T

So we found a property in the northern part of county and we can identify with the reichertz.

T

Who spoke, we found a cabin on 18 wooded acres, wheats valley, road, just north of the reservoir.

T

And so it's a nice country setting where you don't have a chance to bother your neighbors.

T

And you're lucky, if you meet your neighbors and they've all been friendly, uh our impressions that.

T

Bedford county have always been good up until uh this is really a little bit off the issue.

T

When we went to purchase the property, we were told by our lawyer that there's like a three-month.

T

Bottleneck in the health department to because it was a divided property, we had to do the septic go.

T

Through all the approvals and everything, so even though it was an existing airbnb.

T

We were buying a business so to speak. We didn't want to operate it as a hundred percent business.

T

We wanted at 50 percent for family and ourselves for recreation, enjoy the property and the other.

T

50 yeah: we can make some money when it's vacant uh and meet some new people uh be part of the.

T

The tourism industry of this county, I think a lot of people like to come to this county and spend.

T

Their money and we've met some really nice people, so we've only had this property for six months.

T

But uh I would just caution you like they said the records.

T

You know one size fits all, not really you're, always going to disappoint somebody, and I.

T

Know you can't customize it to each individual case. They have legitimate concerns that we're.

T

Hearing tonight, but how do you go about doing that, so I'm just praying that you guys will.

T

Have some wisdom in this matter and I thank you for your time. Thank you. Give us a straw.

A

That was the last eligible um sign up that I had for this public hearing, so I've got a little.

A

Time is there anyone else that um didn't sign up that wanted to speak on the topic.

U

Hi, my name is jessica kossman. I live at 250 pine knob, so I do have a short-term rental.

U

um So one of I guess my concerns is that I have a three bedroom. Two bath house, 2500 square feet.

U

That we bought last year that, according to the 40 plus year old septic, permit, is only permitted.

U

For a two-bedroom house, so I am limited to four guests according to these rules, so I can't even.

U

Rent to my own, my own self, so I have three kids because I'm being told that your bylaws.

U

Are kids, two and older are considered an adult, so three kids and two parents? I can't rent to.

U

So when I call the health department to question because when I get my septic pump out, I'm being.

U

Told that I have a thousand gallon pump out, which, according to the septic experts, say that's a three.

U

Bedroom like septic system, I'm asking if there's anything I can do to see if there's another.

U

Inspection or something like that to see if we can see if there's a discrepancy from 40 years.

U

Ago and I'm being told that they couldn't even possibly theorize how to do that, so I feel like.

U

I'm not trying to do these 15 20 plus people rentals, but I feel like a three bedroom house.

U

That I can't even rent my own self, like a like a single family. Heaven forbid. I had a grandparent.

U

In there, like, I couldn't even rent to that, I think that's getting a little stringent thanks. Thank you.

A

That'll that'll conclude the citizen comment portion of this public hearing and now we would.

A

um Have time for any questions, discussion from the planning commission or the board.

H

H

Yes, I I think they have to deal with it first and.

J

Then and then when they're done, then we deal with it. Is that correct discussion.

H

I've got one comment, and I've talked with mr mitchell about it um on the ordinance.

H

um Concerning the management plan, um it says that the advertisement has to conform to the.

H

Management plan, um but there's nothing that says the management plan has to be approved.

H

Doesn't say that so I would just like to make a recommendation that, at the end of.

H

The first sentence on item two in the proposed ordinance that we add the words for approval.

H

So the management plan is approved. um I know it sounds nitpicky, but somebody could walk.

H

Through that door and say you don't have to approve it, I gave you one. It means nothing so.

H

Other other than that we've worked. We've worked on this ordinance for a very long time.

H

It's unfortunately, it's never going to be perfect. It's just the way.

H

It is um do I think it solves all the problems or addresses all of them. No it I don't, but.

H

um We we need to have an ordinance so that we have some ability to do enforcements and.

H

Call this the first step, but it's definitely the step in the right direction. That's it.

A

I have a clarification for mr mitchell. I just want to make sure, because we've heard that the.

A

Vehicles were not in the ordinance, but in line six, it specifically says all vehicles, boats and.

A

Trailers of tenants shall be parked on the lot on which the dwelling places dwelling unit is located.

A

That covers the concern we heard this evening. So there's two sentences in that paragraph. There's.

D

The last sentence that says that all boats and trailers have to be parked off the road.

D

um Basically, the ordinance is never stated uh that vehicles have never been in that section.

D

Of the ordinance, so we added vehicles to the first part that they have to be parked on the.

D

Property, technically, if that's the case, unless your privacy goes to the center line of that road.

D

They really can't park in the street, that's not the property. The second sentence doesn't include.

J

Cars, it just says: boats and trailers. Can we add the word cars. I would just my my thought was.

A

The intent when we talked about that first part, that's that's what that meant. Yeah here's what I.

D

Would tell you the management plan is supposed to show us where people are supposed to park.

D

Requiring that management plan to have them park on the property you shouldn't.

D

See many parked on the road, but you know that would still be a violation of management plan.

D

Either without you adding it, but you can add it if you want to reiterate and hamper that home.

D

I I personally thought the intent was to be that way. So can we just keep the word.

J

In when we add the word cars just to be clear vehicles, people will argue with you if you.

V

Fail to include that I have to agree with mr sharp yeah. I just think for clarification. Just.

J

If we keep that word in there and I, like the the verbiage, approved management plan,.

D

Well, you're, adding it it's never it's not in the ordinance. Now I understand yeah. So, let's add it.

J

As a consensus, I just think it's cleaner, just add second sentence, also yeah. The first sentence.

E

Added to the second, why are you? Can I talk about the signage again? I know we've discussed that a.

F

Lot I haven't seen the word non-illuminated before so I know we're on a dark road and.

F

You're going up to the peaks of otter and you're. Looking for a cabin in the woods and.

F

And they have and I've seen them going up there there's a sign that says: there's a cabin here.

F

And I don't know how they're going to find it. Otherwise, okay, non-illuminated signs have.

D

Always that has been the what we've had in the ordinance for, can we just say limited to one.

F

Sign because there are situations where they have to be a light on it or no one's going to see it.

D

Maybe an advertisement issue more than anything else. Would that include digital signs as well.

W

No, I would just say a sign that has a light on it. Would that be an illuminated sign or no.

F

So as long as it has a size of line on it, it's not, you can shine a light on the sign.

D

If you want, the illuminated sign would be a sign. That's literally illuminated internally.

D

Okay, as long as we have, they have that okay.

J

Feeling a little uncomfortable, though, because aren't they supposed to be doing all their.

J

Work and then what you're supposed to do hours yeah and then we can tweak it. You know we.

J

Should probably keep our mouth shut? It's like a challenge. I have a question for mr mitchell.

G

I'm going back to the registration because it is clear as much it says here in the second paragraph.

G

Of section, one registration is not required by persons who are licensed real estate board.

G

By a real estate board or is properly property owned, property owner, who is represented by a.

G

Real estate licensing, if they're not required to be registered, how are they again going to be.

G

Fully on a management plan, which is in the section too, because we're requiring them to.

D

Do it so section one is move section, one is an exemption for the literal registry itself.

D

So the registration is separate from the management plan. Yeah.

D

Unless you are registering and then therefore you are submitting a management plan with that.

D

If you're not registering and you're not required to register for that code, you're submitting a management plan to me for review and approval all right. Well, the code of virginia.

G

This whole section is talking about the county's ability to register or create a registry.

G

Of uh short-term rentals, so does the county have additional powers over this we're not creating a.

D

Registry with that, we are asking them to submit a management plan to us for all operators for us to.

D

Approve of the registry itself is just official, short-term rental registry. That's all it is okay,.

G

So it's a separate issue, separate issue, yeah, very good. They to give you a, for instance, you.

D

Know this year they tried to come back to the general assembly and try to exempt themselves.

D

From all local government regulations, so it's very clear that that's the registry.

D

Is all they're exempt from because they now they also are fighting to get exempt from all.

D

Local regulations, so until that happens, we will be looking for a management plan from all operators.

G

And on the email you had sent out requiring local point of contact.

G

For short-term rentals, where is that in the actual number two second line.

D

It's in the management plan requirements- management, okay. Well, I just want to say.

G

That I don't necessarily think we need a local point of contact for all short-term rentals.

G

People can manage from pretty much anywhere and the local point, I'm not quite sure what.

G

The reasoning behind that is the local point of contact. It should just be a point of contact.

G

Whoever owns it is responsible for it should be able to be contacted at whatever time. 24 7.

G

So I don't necessarily like the word local point of contact in there. Maybe just point of contact.

G

That's all I've got currently.

J

Discussion, you guys have to do it all right.

B

Any further discussion months.

B

But any further discussion amongst planning.

B

Commissioners or any further questions from mr mitchell.

B

Hearing none I'll ask for a motion.

G

G

I make a motion that we adopt text amendment application.

G

Ta23-0001 with a few modifications to uh the.

G

Instead of local point of contact, just remove the word local, wherever that appears.

G

Section two second sentence correct and then on section six add vehicles to the second sentence.

G

So it's boats, trailers and vehicles, or vehicles, boats and trailers. However, that is worded by the.

G

uh Mr mitchell's office of number two for the approval of the management plan.

G

And the approval of management plan, as discussed.

B

All right, we have a motion.

B

With the three noted changes.

B

Is there a second.

B

We have a motion in a second to approve ta23-0001.

B

With the changes on item two.

B

And also item six, as noted any further discussion.

B

Hearing none I'll do a roll call of mr gwen. Yes, mr burdette, yes, mr moiser, yes, mr ray yes, mr briscoe.

B

Yes, chair votes; yes, okay, that tosses it to our board. What discussion do we have regarding that.

A

Recommendation from the planning commission with those amendments.

X

I'd like a little explanation on the point of contact, I couldn't hear everything.

A

I believe what I was understanding was: it would not be necessary for a.

A

Local point of contact, but just a point of contact.

X

But not look necessarily.

A

Just someone that could be called in the event is that kind of what we got now.

E

That's great, I would agree with the recommendation.

E

From the planning commission, with the exception of removing the word local.

E

It does need to be a local person. I think that's part of the problem. That's part of the problem.

Y

Well, I guess you don't need to explain what local means.

A

Do you have any suggestions.

D

Someone in bedford county would be how we would term in that. I I think, from our perspective, the.

D

The one of the biggest issues we've always had with the complaints are, is we have an out of.

D

Town person, who's operating a short-term rental, they can be very slow to react to the changes.

D

If there's a local point of contact, the real idea behind that was is that we can have we.

D

Can contact someone locally? They can go out there and deal with the matter immediately.

D

If there's a complaint unruly guessed, those kind of things not everyone manages these.

D

Properties appropriately, I think you've heard a lot of the folks tonight kind of say that.

D

You're gonna have a wide range of folks that live next to short-term rentals that are have.

D

Good experiences and some very bad experiences, and usually it really revolves around the the.

D

Unruly guess so the local point of contact is to try to deal with the unruly guests that are there.

D

To get them off the property as fast as possible if the sheriff's office is not able to do that.

D

Assuming that the sheriff's department has less power than a local point of contact to.

G

Remove somebody from a property: well, I think what we're talking about here. It would be just.

D

Depending upon what the violation would be, of course, so they would go and determine whether.

D

Or not, they want to do that or not. I couldn't. I want to speak to the sheriff's office, but.

D

I know there's been times, they've gone down to properties and they have not done much of anything.

D

There could be various reasons for that, though, so I think the whole point here is is when they.

D

Go down there, we want to be able to have someone, you know, let's say I'll use an example. Let's say.

D

I get a phone call from a citizen who says that they're, you know the people last night were unruly.

D

They're all still there right now, um they're over occupancy the dwelling unit, based on this on the.

D

We can call that local point of contact. We may come in and say well, hey. You aren't complying.

D

With what we rented the property for get off, that's just really the whole point. I'm sure that.

G

Can be done from a distance, it doesn't have to be done locally if they can't see it for themselves.

A

Yes, I would have to defer to mr mitchell on this. He seems convinced that we need a local point.

V

Of contact- and I could certainly understand and empathize with his reasoning behind this.

V

And the other thing is is, as we were tommy and I were kids mickey. We grew up. You know one bad apple.

V

Spoils a whole bunch, so there's been several cases that were all been made, aware of and and.

V

Why we're here this evening in this hearing and to me it makes sense the local point of contact.

V

Needs to be there and and the if these folks want to enjoy the income from the short-term rental.

V

Properties which there appears to be abundant income, do you made that's great, but at the.

V

Same time, they've got to be responsible, and this has come to this as a result of some bad apples.

V

So I certainly support a local point of contact. I I can understand mr moyes's uh reasoning in this.

V

But at the same time it's come to a point where we need to have responsibility in.

V

These and those folks who are doing a good job, managing and bringing in high caliber tenants.

V

They have nothing to be concerned about, on the other hand, the folks that that aren't managing.

V

It well, I know for myself, I would soon learn. I got to do something better and I'm going to.

V

Start paying closer attention to this, so so I have to agree with the local point of contact.

V

Chairman I've just envisioned a situation worth a on the contacts in in new jersey and and we're.

I

Trying to get in touch with somebody in new jersey- I don't know the sense of urgency- translates over.

I

Distance like it does, if he's across town or at the lake or in manito or somewhere local.

I

I think that um there's probably businesses out there that you can hire to be the point of contact.

I

That would that would monitor not they wouldn't be the management companies, but they they could be a.

S

Point of contact that would go out and as the half the message along to clean the act up or get out.

I

I wholeheartedly support local contact. Mr chair, yes, the only problem I have with the local part is.

X

Have roanoke and lynchburg there were all your relatives and everything concentrated.

X

So if they were renting the property they live in lynchburg, that's the local.

X

One of contact and there's a problem, you know, say: well, you can't be because you're in lynchburg.

X

Roanoke is probably closer than most parts of barefoot county, we'll say a 50-mile.

I

Radius, can we say a 50 miles? That's why I was thinking. Maybe we could do a radius. You know.

X

And include roanoke and lynchburg and alavista and play I mean it's still: local, but you're not.

X

Ellen lynchburg, you can't do it because you're not in bedford county when.

X

There's a con highly concentrated realty companies there in roanoke.

J

Yeah, I can go along with that, I'm okay, with that. I don't know how you want. Yes, you have.

D

A suggestion what I was going to say is: over the last few years, there's just been.

D

A little bit of an exodus of the local real estate companies managing shorter rentals.

D

um The manager managing the properties from afar have always been the problem. I think mr beville.

D

Was mentioned tonight um you know that's one of our frequent flyer, complaints that we do get for.

D

His properties and they can be slow to react to some of the issues that these folks are having.

D

um If they're local, you know, I can you know, name: lake retreat properties, for instance,.

D

Locally, rarely, if ever get a complaint for one of their properties. So clearly there is some.

D

Value in the local aspect of having a local real estate agency, if you're going to have.

D

Someone manage it, that's your best bet and that's why you would get the least amount of complaints.

A

uh We have a consensus on.

A

I don't know how you want to call it, but it would be our local area.

X

Central virginia, I think, more important, mr chair than local, and I I'm not opposed to it.

F

Even though I have a airbnb in florida and I'm certainly not local to florida- and I I don't.

F

Have any problems, I think the problem is that they're not responding? That's the part of the.

F

Ordinance local point of contract available to respond immediately to complaints, so they might.

F

Be local but not respond. I think the point we have to focus on is whoever it is has to.

F

Respond immediately, whether there be local or not, and I think there couldn't be a response.

F

That's done immediately. I certainly respond to anything I get from florida immediately.

I

Sounds like supervisor bainsley has some experience being a local contact.

V

Well and mr chair, certainly my tag in there is mrs bailey bansley said uh in in this day.

V

Of high-tech gadgetria, I'm sure that we need to attach to this ordinance.

V

Some some means of expecting to be able to get to somebody in the event of an.

V

Issue without having to wait for a long time and immediate contact.

A

I'm not opposed either one to be honest, but would we be insane to say an approved contact.

D

So that's actually the ordinance also has a caveat in there that we can ask.

D

For things that, if they're problematic, you know so clearly, if you wanted to just go with a point.

D

Of contact that can respond immediately. That may be seen to that person. Who's registering.

D

That management plan that that's a person- that's local, okay and, of course, obviously.

D

If there's a slow amount of reaction to the complaints we get for that, when we do the.

D

Next management plan: for them, we can ask them specifically due to these issues, we would like.

D

To have someone local within a certain radius, where we approve of that plan and.

D

That's probably would be your you know a good way to be able to handle that, but that last.

D

Sentence that we have with the management plan where we can also request additional information.

D

If we feel that is needed to approve of the plan, that would be kind of that caveat. You know if.

D

We have a problem property, you know it's from afar. We can always ask for that. The next cycle.

V

Mr chair, I think it you know this. This whole thing certainly carries with the knowledge that.

V

I have to call people frequently in in a in a part of the business that I do and nothing.

V

Is more frustrating than people saying? Oh, I didn't answer the folks. I didn't know who it was.

V

So then you got to text them in. I think that it needs to be very, very plain, english, that if, if.

V

We're going to have a point of contact, whether local or not, that they need to be responsive.

V

Immediately to call from bedford county in the event of a complaint, because again I know we all.

V

Know this, but I'm going to remind us again, you know we are here to serve the interests of our.

V

Residents, our taxpayers in this county and we're not here to be punitive to people, but you know.

V

There's a reason we are here in this discussion this evenings, so I think you really need to have.

V

Some teeth in being able to get a hold of someone and I'm I'm in favor of a local point of contact.

I

Mr, I think we're all pretty much on the same page here I don't hear any opposition.

I

Board supervisors. Are we ready for a motion? uh I'm not okay. All right uh item.

J

It's a section or part, two be item: nine.

J

Says upon more than three violations of any applicable state or local laws.

J

Or minnesota regulations, as related to a specified property offer for short-term rental.

J

um The county may prohibit such property from being registered and are offered a short-term.

J

Rental for a period determined by the zoning administrator that shall not exceed two years.

J

Personally, I would like that to be will will not may.

J

um I think that makes it are more like. Oh I'd, better straighten up my act, subjective to the.

I

To jordan basically takes the pressure off of you to be honest, because then it says: hey.

J

Look my hands are tied yeah, it's not my fault that you've continued to violate these things.

D

I'm okay, I'm okay with that, based off what we're managing with this. With this regulations in the.

D

Ordinance uh if we were doing the overnight occupancy uh limitation and the property owner.

D

You know is doing everything they can and they're they're renting the right amount of people, they're advertising it correctly and then there's folks showing up on the property that.

D

um You know are in excess of that without them knowing it'd be a little hard-pressed for me,.

D

To say that I would revoke the permit. But, however, here in this situation, where we are.

D

Literally, looking at hey does the ad match what the management plan says yes, and if they're com.

J

If, if they are responsive- and they are saying, look you gotta, you know some people got to get.

J

Out you know that type of thing. Yes, I agree, but if they're not doing what they're supposed to do.

J

uh And they're bad actors- I don't disagree with that. I think that's a good change and I would like.

J

For that, I just want clarification on this and that's it says the property from being registered.

J

Because I don't want um uh manage, you know an owner to say: well, I'm just going to change it.

J

To another llc that they manage right and then come back and register it I mean to get around.

J

It right I don't so it needs to stay with the property. So at this point, if they want to sell it.

J

Somebody can't buy it and then use it as a rental right uh that that that that.

J

um That offense carries with that property for the two years. It may be better for you to change.

D

That to a to make sure that nothing gets missed with that, I would just say that once you get it.

D

Revoked it's not valid for two years. That's what I would do that way. It's very clear! If you sell it.

D

There's no funny business, there's no hunting down for us to figure out who the owners are.

D

They are they related. Are they the same person? I would recommend that if you do that just say.

D

Flat out it will not be able to be registered for two years. That's the way. I would prefer.

F

And you're, you guessed parts more than more than three times a guest parks on the street.

F

He reads over the you know: you 've sent them the regulations, but.

F

You know aunt, louise comes and she parks on the street. So that's one, that's a violation. No! So.

D

What we would do in the first time that happened when their management plan or their advertisement.

D

Said that maybe they could park on the street or didn't specifically say that there's no parking.

D

On the streets, we would specifically tell them hey in order to correct this issue. On the first time.

D

To make sure this doesn't happen again, make sure your your or your advertisement states.

D

No parking on the street that covers them yeah their contract needs to be no parking on the.

J

Street and then, if there's somebody parking on the street, they need to be responsive, get.

J

Out there and get them get them off the street correct and as long as that's the.

J

Case, I don't think that's a violation, that's not a violation that would not be at that.

D

Point in time, that's correct. That is just simple someone doing something they should not be doing.

D

That's not on the operator is what I'm trying to say.

J

This is this is to punish the bad actors. I think they need to go out and break out louise's knees.

A

uh I have some heartburn with in the event of a sale or transfer the property.

A

To someone not affiliated with the current owners, I have real heartburned about prohibited. How.

A

They're going to use that property: okay! Well, here's here's my and I'm okay! If you tie it.

A

I mean it's not hard to figure out who owns an llc. Here's my here's, my problem. If the the bad actor.

J

There's a financial penalty to that bad actor if they can't sell it for rental purposes, uh for you.

J

Know for two years I mean it just it puts more teeth in this ordinance so that I'm not going.

J

To be a bad actor right, I mean so it I think it needs to stay with the property, because in.

J

The end otherwise look I I can't rent it, I'm just going to sell it for top dollar and somebody else.

J

Is going to then turn around and run it correct and you know the the problem, is you? Could you.

J

Can have somebody in another state? That's you know, that's a friend or relative, and I mean they could.

J

Be all kinds of funny business, so if it stays with the property, there can be no funny business right.

D

Exactly I think, that's why you're better off, if you wanted to truly make sure there's no funny.

D

Business going on or we missed something in our office- that's the best way to do it.

F

There's going to be houses sold where the buyer thinks they're buying a airbnb or short-term.

F

Rental and they don't know it's been what's going to happen, then I would assume at that point in.

D

Time they will be going after the realtor or the property owner at that point in time, and we can.

W

Certainly record something on the land records I mean all it takes. Is the one pager saying.

W

This property has been prohibited from short-term rentals for x amount of time. It should attach to.

W

I think that's a good point that did any bona fide I purchaser should be on.

W

Notice of what they're getting sort of like a lean.

D

Not a bad idea yep. I was also thinking we could have some kind of database where we could.

D

Throw a sheet of paper out there online an excel spreadsheet or something of that nature, properties.

D

That cannot be registered for short-term rental and just throw it out. There addresses everything.

D

Rpc number well you're talking about some we'll show up on the list tonight or violations. I'm.

I

Thinking about suppose, you bought this property as a short-term rental, and you had two violations.

S

Against it- and you didn't know about it, it's just man or if you get especially if you get three and.

I

You get one and you get shut down. Well, that would be two violations to buy the property and you get.

D

One violation you shut down two years well, the operator would change at that point in time, though,.

D

So that would reset that he's saying if it's on the, if it's on the house, not the operator, then.

I

It wouldn't matter: well, that's if it got to the more than three, so I just don't think it's fairly.

I

If you hit three on there and he sold the property, somebody else comes in buys the property gets one.

I

That's right, yes, no, we talk, I think we're talking a point that might happen once and.

X

And years and we're trying to figure out every little well, it's, but it's a lot like.

I

You're doing early on the others I mean, I know it's probably not likely to happen, but.

I

Have it buttoned up to if it does happen, then it's, I think it's, I think. As long as it's it's.

J

Occurred then, the financial penalty will go to the bad actor because they won't be able to sell.

J

It for a rental property and that's going to be a pretty big hit. So if they get to that might be.

J

A way to run those bad actors out of town because they'll go look. I don't. I don't want to take the.

J

Chance of getting a third, let me just sell this property and they'll sell somebody, and then that.

J

Way they don't get burdened with the two they get. They start over again because it hasn't been.

J

um You know it hasn't been under them, it hasn't been penalized and then.

J

Theoretically, they're going to be a better better actor, I mean the whole idea is to just.

J

Get rid of the bad actors and run them out of bedford county, so I think keeping it with.

J

The property is a pretty darn good financial penalty or any bad actors. I mean they might.

J

As soon as they hear that we've done that they might start selling now and I'm fine with that.

D

I mean I'll be honest with you last week we we sent, uh we had a phone conversation with one of.

D

Our folks, that's a frequent flyer and you know basically a reiterated, hey you're at this point.

D

Where I'm going to seriously consider consider revoking your permit based on the actions that are.

D

The complaints I'm getting, probably literally winning for sale in the following few days.

V

Well, the other thing too is there's got to be a clear understanding, knowing in.

V

Advance what the penalties are so folks again, hopefully be preventive instead of punitive.

V

I have a question what about you? You said frequent flyers more than once this evening, mr mitchell,.

V

Should we consider something for folks who are multiple srt owners.

V

Or str owner sorry about that, as far as you know, having multiple violations in the same period.

V

Of time, or I think, you're referring to the the penalty, you wanted to set a higher penalty for.

D

That, well I'm just saying it is it's probably something that we ought to consider, because we.

V

We're aware of of another developer that we've had to deal with some in this county or you know.

V

Well, why don't we head this off before we give it a chance to begin or while we're talking about.

V

This so there's a range with the civil penalties and the criminal penalties in the ordinance. We.

D

Would at that point in time be going to the very high end of that range? I mean we're not going to.

V

Actually put the hatchet on this thing tonight and it's going to be done. I assume you're going to go.

V

Back and work on this a little bit more is that right, yeah there's some there's a few sections.

D

Yeah I mean there's a few sections that wouldn't be effective right away, but.

D

um But yeah yeah, I think it'll- be done tonight. We're never getting ready to make a motion.

A

Okay, but I think it's important to realize that this is a first step. This is not a one and done.

S

That we see what we fix and then what's not fixed, and then we tweak the things that aren't working.

A

In 12 months down the road I mean, I I've been listening to this stuff. For six years, I've been.

A

On this board, y'all just getting a good dose of it in the last six months. I think it's time.

A

For a motion, mr chairman, um but this goes so far from what we had and I and it answers so.

A

Many of the concerns- and I know it doesn't answer all the concerns that people have.

A

But if this can clean up 75 to 80 percent of the issues, we've had.

A

We've made a lot of progress and then a lot of the people I talk to it's. It is the same group.

A

Property owners, so it is this: it's a few property owners that are making it rough on the rest of.

A

Them right, you can get them flying straight on this. Let's go! Take care of a whole lot of the.

A

Problems, mr chair, if a man there, there was one other thing that I think is worth mentioning and.

V

I I don't believe I've heard it mentioned and I don't want to drag this thing out. But what.

V

About the overflowing trash barrels that's been mentioned is: is there trash pickup at the lake.

V

I don't know, and and you know but when these I mean it's absolutely rude and disgusting- to.

V

Have these overflowing trash barrels that's been mentioned and has any is anything in.

V

I haven't seen anything in this amendment about garbage being strewn throughout the streets from.

V

Too much and in light of the fact that we've got a county landfill problem, that is, is terribly costly.

A

I would think that would be covered in their management plan. Yeah management plan requires.

D

Them to show the location where the refuse area is, and, of course, if there's a lot of trash on the.

D

I guess, if the property can we specifically state make sure that the trash is well kept.

V

Or something clear language, so there's no complaints for the neighbors. You know.

V

If we have an unlawful accumulation of waste ordinance that we do enforce so I mean if we.

W

Have the evidence to you know show someone take pictures, six, garbage cans, overflow in the yard.

W

We can do something about that, and that goes into the one of the three violations of local.

W

Law all right, neighbors aren't particularly shy about sending us pictures of trash. No they're, not.

I

Sure before I make a motion, um as proposed with the amendment.

I

Local contact staying intact property is being penalized.

I

Or assessed the penalty, not the person or the llc. Was it there one more and the permit shall be.

W

Revoked not may, I think, was one of the suggestions yeah. What will be revoked not may will be regreted.

I

Mr chair, yes, there's no more before you make a motion, so it won't have to be amended.

X

Your emotion on local contact.

X

50 mile radius is what I was going to propose. I would have understood the consensus.

I

Therefore, mr chairman, no more discussion I'd like to move that we approve ordinance.

I

Zero zero eight one, four two three-01.

I

With the stipulation added that we keep a local contact within a 50-mile radius,.

I

Of the property that any assessments that are levied go on, whoever the property.

I

Is owned by at that time, not to the person but to the property.

I

And change it from shall be revoked after three. It would be the fourth violation to will be removed.

W

Mr johnson, I think there was also the addition of the vehicle.

I

Okay, all right that that was done as it was sent to us: okay, okay, so.

I

These are the only three changes we're making from what they sent.

A

You have a motion for mr johnson. Is there a second second? It's like about mr davis.

E

Any other further clarification. I want a clarification that the part that the.

E

Violation goes with the property and not the property owner correct. Is that your motion? Yes,.

A

Any other discussion, the arrow call vote, mr johnson. Yes, miss mansley.

A

Mr sharp, yes, mr davis, yes, mr scott, yes, miss parker,.

A

Votes yes, mr chair, did we get a second yes yeah? Okay, sitting right next to you,.

A

Okay, that moves us on to the next. um The next public hearing, which is a.

A

Consideration of an ordinance amending the halfway house in bedford, county.

A

Zoning ordinance, which is ordinance zero, eight one, four two three-02, mr mitchell,.

D

Mr chairman, I don't have a very elaborate presentation for this one. This is a fairly.

D

Simple uh zoning ordinance text amendment before you tonight is a text amendment to uh to not list.

D

Halfway house as a special use permit in the av zoning district, so it's a very straightforward.

D

Application for a text member here tonight, if you have any questions.

D

Happening answered from problem planning perspective for you. Thank you. Steph.

A

Right we'll toss that down to planning commission.

A

Yeah I was going to let y'all call the next one, all right we're going to open.

A

The public here- and I don't have anyone that signed up to speak on this particular topic.

A

But janet or tracy, if you'd like to share any of your heart about this. Now is your time.

A

Does anyone like to speak on this proposed ordinance.

A

If not we'll close the public hearing and I'll pass it down to the planning commission.

B

Thank you, mr chairman,.

B

All right before us, we have the text, amendment application, ta23-0002 any discussion or questions for mr mitchell. Regarding the text, amendment.

B

Hearing no discussion, I will ask for a motion. I make a motion that we adopt pa23-0002 halfway.

G

House zoning ordinance amendment as written to the board of supervisors. We have a motion to have.

B

A second we have a motion and a second to approve texas amendment application.

B

Ta23-0002 as presented any further discussion.

B

Hearing and seeing none, I will do a roll call vote. Mr gwen.

Y

Yes, mr burdette, yes, mr moiser, yes, mr ray yes, mr briscoe, yes, yes, chair votes, yes,.

B

Mr chairman comes to our board. Is there any discussion on this text? Amendment ordinance.

A

There isn't, I would entertain a motion, mr chair I'll, make a motion and I'm not.

E

Sure, if I'm supposed to be doing the ta or the okay, now it's ordinance um ordinance.

E

081423-2-3 make a motion to approve yes or two. Okay, have a motion by mrs parker.

A

Is there a second second second by mr scott, mr davis? Yes, mr scott, yes, mr johnson, yes miss.

W

Bansley? Yes, mr sharp, yes, miss parker, yes, dear votes! Yes, that passes that moves us on to our.

A

Last public hearing, which is consideration of an ordinance, I'm ending boarding, house and guidance.

A

Services in the bedford county zoden order zoning ordinance, which is ordinance 081423-03.

D

Thank you, mr chairman. As you mentioned, this is a text amendment to amend the definition of boarding.

D

House as a single-family detached dwelling unit or part thereof in which lodging with or without.

D

Meals is provided by the owner, who resides on the premise to three or more, but not less, but.

D

Not assuming but less than nine borders for 30 consecutive days or longer included in this used.

D

Type are rooming houses and tourist houses and number two there'll be a men to list guidance.

D

Services as a permissible use after approval of a special use permit in the agricultural.

D

Village center zoning district, currently at guidance services, is listed as a buy right.

D

Use in that particular zoning district, so let me know if you have any questions.

D

Thank you, mr chairman. Thank you. Thank you I'll, send it to the planning commission.

Y

Public public here I don't see anybody jumping up all right, I'm going to open.

A

This public hearing to anybody would like to speak about that.

A

Yes, obviously, no one wants to speak about that, so we'll close the public hearing and now the zoned.

B

Thank you, mr chairman planning commissioners before us as text amendment application, ta-23-0003.

B

Any discussion.

B

Hearing none, I will ask for a motion and make the.

G

Motion that we adopt or recommend to the board supervisors text amendment.

G

Ta23-0003 as written, do I have a second second, any further discussion.

B

Hearing none this vote will be to approve the or deny the text. Amendment application.

B

Ta-23-0003 as presented, I will do a roll call vote. Mr gwen. Yes, mr burdette, yes, mr.

B

Moiser, yes, mr ray yes, mr briscoe, yes, chair votes. Yes, mr chairman, thank you all right.

A

Any questions or discussion from our board on this proposed ordinance. Let's understand it.

J

It'll be special use, permit required in the av zone, but it is buy right. C1C2, pcd and pid.

A

I believe that's right, it's not changing in the others. It's the only change.

A

You know the questions. The entertainer motion, mr chair, I'll, make a motion to approve ordinance, o o.

E

Zero eight one, four, two three dash zero three have a motion by ms parker. Is there a second.

A

About mr scott, this is roll call vote, mr davis. Yes, mr scott, yes.

A

Mr johnson, yes, miss bansley. Yes, mr sharp, yes, ms parker, yes, chair votes! Yes, yes, that motion passes.

A

Kester, you may adjourn your committee and we with our great thanks. Thank you, mr chair. Do I have a.

B

Motion by the planning commission to adjourn our meeting, we have a motion a second all, those in.

B

Favor say aye aye motion carries. We will give you a few minutes and we will convene up on our agenda.

A

Chrome task here next up on our agenda is the consent agenda. Mr hiss, would you share with us.

A

Z

We only had one item on the consent agenda this evening and there is a.

Z

Grant application being submitted by fire and rescue for the submission.

Z

Acceptance and appropriation of a state homeland security program.

Z

Primarily for hazardous hazmat equipment.

A

Any questions concerning the consent agenda.

A

It's for motion.

A

I have a motion for mr scott to approve the consent agenda. Is there a second second by mr.

A

Sharp this roll call, mr davis, yes, mr scott, yes, mr johnson, yes, ms bansley, yes, mr sharp, yes, miss.

J

Parker, yes, chair votes, yes, motion passes. We have nothing on our action than discussion items for.

A

This evening, next up, we have the approval of the minutes. We have set from april 24th and may 8th.

A

Any questions or corrections regarding the minutes.

X

My commotion, we approve community minister scott makes motion to approve. Is there a second.

E

Second, by miss parker, all in favor signify for saying, aye aye all opposed motion passes.

A

No board committees reporting uh board comments. Anything anybody needs to share with us tonight.

A

Mr hiss, is there anything you need to share with us tonight.

Z

um The only thing you may have seen on social media, our public information officer, shelley.

Z

Basinger has put out a survey out into the community to engage and receive input about.

Z

How citizens want to receive information from the county government so there's a short survey.

Z

About different uh tools and methodologies and what's effective, what's not effective? How would.

Z

How would citizens like to receive information from us just to uh part of it is just a gauge.

Z

To see if we're, if we're providing it effectively and if the feedback shows that there's different.

Z

Things we can do, we can adjust accordingly over time in order to meet uh what we think we hear.

Z

From the citizens or to receive information, so I think that's a good good survey. That's.

Z

Out there in the community and encourage people to fill it out and provide feedback.

I

Sure, yes, I'd like to point out that um we have a holly has been nominated as citizen of the year.

I

For bedford, county and also another nominee got nominated it's in the audience here this evening.

I

John barnhart and I'd like to wish both of you all good luck, both deserving that moves you can get it.

I

That's that moves us down to board appointments we do have. I have an appointment to fill my.

A

um Recreation advisory board for district two, so I would like to make a motion to appoint kaylee.

A

Martin to fill that unexpired term, so if I have a motion by myself, second, second, if I'm mr scott.

A

All those in favor signify, I'm saying ah all opposed same sign motion, passes.

A

Mrs kelly and mr chair, you uh brought up, I think, in the last meeting or two about.

W

Amending our elderly tax relief code, um I believe, we've been in discussions with miss patterson and.

W

Ms anderson and have come up with some increases to those those limits and that's based both on our.

W

Own financial position and what our neighboring localities are doing in that regard. So if it's.

W

The consensus of the board we'll tee that up for uh public hearing in an ordinance.

A

Is that something we're going to discuss before we do that or we can, I, I think the limits we had.

W

Talked about were forty five thousand dollars as far as income and one hundred and fifty.

W

Thousand dollars for assets as far as the caps 150 beyond the house, or does that include the house.

J

Because if it included the house, then what are we doing? Yeah.

A

Yeah consensus from a board to go ahead and move that.

A

Topic to public hearing- yes, sir okay, all right, we will do so. Thank you.

A

All right, mr stodder, you got anything to share back there.

A

All right, our next meeting is august, the 28th. We got a work session at five and a regular meeting.

A

At seven I'd like to make a motion to adjourn: oh wait a minute. He had an ass yeah. He did.

X

I didn't hear it. I have motion by mr sharp to adjourn. Is there a second I'm not going to.

A

Say again, all our favorite thing about cena hi all opposed. We are adjourned [laughter].