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From YouTube: Committee on Government Operations on October 19, 2021
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Docket #0638 - Ordinance to create the Boston Commemoration Commission
A
Okay
afternoon,
everyone
I'm
city,
councilor,
lydia,
edwards,
chair
of
the
committee
on
government
operations.
It
is
tuesday
october
19
2021,
and
we
are
here
today
for
a
virtual
hearing
on
docket
0638
ordinance
to
create
boston
commemoration.
Commission
sponsored
by
counselor
kenzie
bott
refer
to
the
committee
on
may
5th
2021
in
accordance
with
chapter
20,
the
act
of
2021
modifying
certain
requirements
of
the
open
meeting
law.
We
are
having
this
hearing
on
on
zoom.
A
The
public
may
watch
this
hearing
via
live
stream
at
www.boston.gov
city
council
dash
tv
and
on
xfinity
8,
rcna
t
verizon
964.
It
will
also
be
rebroadcasted
at
a
later
date.
Written
comments
may
be
sent
to
the
committee
email
at
ccc.go
at
boston.gov
when
we
made
part
of
the
record
and
available
to
all
counselors.
A
We
were
also
joined
by
chief
mariama
white
hammond
and
if
I
am
forgetting
anybody,
oh
david
leonard
excuse
me
president
of
the
boston
public
library,
and
if
I
am
forgetting
anybody
else,
counselor
braden
excuse
me
counselor
bach,
please
correct
me
also
joining
us.
Today
we
have
from
my
colleagues
councillor
braden
counselor
flaherty,
counselor
bach
counselor,
the
lead,
sponsor
and
and
counselor
flynn,
I'm
seeing
sorry
my
camera
and
counselor
flynn.
A
B
B
So,
as
folks
know,
in
addition
to
being
a
counselor,
I
am
a
historian
by
training
and
it's
very
important
to
me
that
the
city
of
boston,
embrace
its
history,
but
really
embrace
it
in
an
inclusive
way.
That
tells
all
of
our
stories
that
sort
of
doesn't
leave
us
only
with
kind
of
settler
colonists
just
those
stories,
and
that
opens
up
the
idea
of
like
history
to
be
conserved
and
re
and
retold
and
memorialized
in
all
of
boston.
B
Boston's
neighborhoods
and
my
experience
has
been
that
when
it
comes
to
kind
of
doing
really
rich
work
on
history,
you
need
to
bring
a
lot
of
stakeholders
into
the
conversation
and
that
there
are
a
lot
of
component
pieces
of
this
right.
So
there's
questions
about
our
documentary
history.
What
we
preserve
and
highlight
there
is
questions
about
how
we
teach
great
local
history
curricula
in
the
boston
public
schools.
B
What
kind
of
sites
we
commemorate,
how
we
protect
historic
buildings
that
again
might
be
of
significance
to
boston's
black
community,
its
immigrant
community,
how
we
really
foreground
a
space
and
our
narratives
and
and
a
voice
for
our
native
and
indigenous
communities
in
the
italian,
we're
history?
And
so
I'm
really
excited
about
the
idea
that
you
know,
as
we
move
towards
a
couple
of
anniversaries
that
we
know
are
going
to
be
significantly
celebrated
the
2026
250th
of
the
country.
B
I
was
trying
to
get
the
word
cester
centennial
to
catch
on,
but
everybody
tells
me
it's
not
going
to
so
I've
accepted,
250th
and
and
then
the
400th
anniversary
of
the
city
of
boston.
I
think
that
you
know
if
we
let
those
things
sneak
up
on
us,
we'll
do
a
few
events
and
call
it
a
day.
But
if
we
plan
in
advance
we
have
the
opportunity
to
really
do
that
kind
of
inclusive
storytelling
to
drive
significant
economic
opportunities.
B
Oh,
they
took
me
on
those
field
trips,
but
really
connecting
themselves
to
the
history
of
the
place
and
the
whole
city,
and
so
the
goal
here
is
really
to
launch
a
commission
that
could
work
on
a
few
different
fronts
in
kind
of
the
lead
up
to
that
250th
and
and
400th.
One
piece
is
actually
getting
a
group
of
people
together
to
even
like
work
on
a
timeline
and
think
about
okay.
There
are
two
anniversaries,
but
like
what
are
the
really
resonant
dates
for
our
indigenous
community?
B
What
are
the
really
resonant
dates
for
our
black
community,
like?
Let's,
not,
let's
not
find
out
that
it
was
in
2026
that
it
was
2024.
There
was
something
we
should
have
really
focused
on
and
used
as
a
touchstone,
so
one
piece
is
kind
of
coming
up
with
a
timeline
like
that.
Another
piece
is
really
looking
at
what
we've
got
in
the
in
the
archives
and
thinking
about
at
the
library.
How
can
we
do
something?
That's
like
exhibits
in
all
our
local
libraries.
How
can
we
see
local
heritage
trails?
B
How
do
we
make
it
so
that
the
boston
public
schools
just
have
a
best
in
class
curricula
on
this
and
and
that's
sort
of
an
educational
component?
And
then
there's
the
the
like?
How
do
we
update
our
tools?
We've
been
talking
in
a
lot
of
different
spaces
about
the
need
for
better
article
85
demolition
delay
stuff
about
different
landmarks
definitions
working
on
that
together.
B
I
said,
I'm
really
interested
in
events
and
how
we,
how
we
do
like
great
events
that
drive
attention
and
and
obviously
tourism,
to
the
city
and
kind
of
play
to
one
of
our
strengths,
because
I
do
think
that
history
is
one
of
boston's
strengths
and,
and
can
be
so
in
a
really
inclusive
way.
If
we
focus
on
it.
B
B
Who
are
the
kind
of
like
historical
experts
that
should
have
a
seat
at
this
table
and
we
and
we
feel
like
if
we
can
kind
of
make
the
table
wide
enough
and
get
all
the
right
folks
in
the
room
and
sort
of
establish
okay
here
are
a
couple
subcommittee
threads
that
we
would
definitely
have
in
this?
Then
we
can,
you
know,
turn
the
commission
into
something
that
has
working
committees
that
are
effective
at
sort
of
chasing
various
ones
of
these
things,
because
it
can't
all
be
one
big
conversation
all
the
time.
B
But
the
real
purpose
from
my
perspective
of
hearing
today
is
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
the
bright
like
folks
included
in
this,
and
so
like
my
office,
we
took
a
stab
at
a
list,
but
we
want
to
hear
from
the
city
about
you
know.
Does
this
look
like
sort
of
the
right
groups
to
be
included?
Is
there
anybody
else
on
the
study
department
side?
Is
this
still
something
you
want
to
do?
B
So,
madam
chair,
like
very
much
expect
that
we
will
be
back
for
a
working
session.
This
isn't
really
the
language
working
session,
it's
more
of
a
hearing
to
make
sure
all
the
all
the
right
voices
are
coming
in
and
that
then
we
can
kind
of
do
a
little
bit
of
retooling
of
language
based
on
what
we've
heard
today.
That's
that's
really
our
objective
and
yeah,
and
with
that
just
looking
forward
to
hearing
from
everybody,
I
know
we.
B
We
opted
this
time
because
we
did
have
a
lot
of
stakeholders
who
wanted
to
speak
to
invite
folks
to
mainly
speak
in
public
testimony
rather
than
organizing
a
whole
bunch
of
panels.
So
for
counselors
reference,
that's
sort
of
more.
How
today
will
go.
We
had
a
lot
of
the
stakeholders,
come
and
do
panels
and
answer
counselor
questions
at
past
hearings
when
we
were
kind
of
throwing
this
around
conceptually.
So
that's
the
plan
thanks,
madam
sheriff
sorry,
to
go
on
a
little
long.
A
No
problem
at
all
just
wanted
to
announce
a
couple
folks.
Who've
also
joined
us,
including
counselor,
matt
o'malley,
and
I
failed
to
mention
lin
spillage,
chair
of
the
landmarks
commission
and
kate
davis.
Director
of
the
office
of
tourism,
sports
and
entertainment
are
also
here
as
well.
So
in
order
of
arrival,
we
have
counselor
after
counselor
bach
councillor
flynn,
councilor
braden,
councillor
flaherty
and
council
o'malley.
C
C
I
also
think
this
is
an
opportunity
to
celebrate
our
important
immigrant
roots
in
boston
that
really
have
never
some
of
these
stories
that
have
never
been
told,
but
that's
what
I
would
be
looking
at.
I
know
you
are
obviously
share
that
as
well
council
book
and
the
other
point
I
I
wanted
to
make
is
you
know
during
this
difficult
period?
C
You
know,
let's
use
this
as
an
opportunity
to
try
to
bring
people
together
and
unite
people
and
unite
neighborhoods
and
provide
some
hope
and
opportunity
for
people,
and
maybe
this
commission
can
be
a
pathway
for
young
people
to
study
history,
to
study
the
importance
of
our
immigrant
roots
and
what
boston
really
means
to
to
all
of
us.
So
thank
you,
council
block
and
council
edwards
for
this
important
hearing
and
looking
forward
to
hearing
from
residents
across
the
city
and
administration
officials
as
well.
Thank
you.
B
Great
thank
you
so
much
council,
our
counselor
flynn,
I'm
just
gonna,
take
over
from
councillor
edwards.
So
I'm
looking
for
the
order
right
now,
but
counselor
braden
you're
on
my
screen.
So
I'm
going
to
go
to
you
next
to
then
counselor
o'malley
and
councillor
bali.
Sorry,
if
I
reverse
that
so
counselor.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
I
really
don't
have
anything
to
add
to
your
your
very
extensive
introduction
to
this
important
issue.
I
really
think
you're
right,
you're,
very,
very
right
and
correct,
and
thinking
that
this
is
something
we
should
be
working
on.
I
feel
that
so
often
history
is
written
by
the
winners,
the
the
victors-
and
I
think
we
in
in
this
moment,
looking
at
a
really
inclusive
history
of
our
wonderful
city.
D
I'm
really
excited
to
explore
opportunities
with
their
local
neighborhoods
and
communities
to
to
look
at
immigrant
history,
as
as
councillor
flynn
has
referenced,
but
also
to
engage
with
our
local
history
societies.
So
now
we
have
the
the
austin
brighton,
historical
society,
brighton,
also
historical
society
out
here
in
in
austin,
but
we
have
local
history
groups
all
across
the
city
and
there's
lots
of
resources
that
we
can
tap
into
to
bring
history
to
life
and
to
really
engage
with
our
young
people
in
our
schools
etc.
D
E
You,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
your
leadership
in
this
space.
Probably
co-sponsored
excited
to
see
what
happens
next,
as
we
get
ready
to
mark
the
sester
centennial,
as
well
as
the
400th
anniversary.
I
would
echo
the
comments
made
by
everyone
thus
far.
That's
important
that
we
not
only
look
through
the
lens
of
equity
but
truly
celebrate
boston's,
rich
diversity
and
history
as
one
so
this
is.
This
is
an
exciting
topic.
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
councillor,
o'malley,
so
yeah
and
and
the
one
other
thing
that
I
I'm
I
think
I
neglected
to
mention
is
just
to
say
that
I
think
the
other
sort
of
as,
like
I
said,
with
the
timeline.
You
know,
proactively.
Thinking
about
a
timeline
and
soliciting
thoughts,
helps
you
make
sure
you
don't
miss
things.
B
Similarly,
I
think
with
boston's
builds
environment
in
that
history,
we've
had
a
dynamic
where
you
really
need
to
have
a
lot
of
organization
resources
wherewithal
in
order
to
kind
of
even
activate
the
tools
that
we
have
often
for
historic
preservation
and
so
thinking
about.
Is
there
a
way
that
this
commission
could
sort
of
launch
some
proactive,
city-wide
historic
survey,
type
stuff
that
that
sets
us
up
to
support
everybody
in
all
corners
of
the
of
the
city
and
talking
about
what
you
know,
the
things
that
we
want
to
celebrate
and
preserve?
B
I
think,
there's
a,
I
think,
there's
a
real
equity
aspect
to
this,
not
not
just
in
the
stories
we
tell,
but
also
the
way
that
we
make
resources
available
to
everybody.
I
would
love
now
to
go
to
the
administration.
Maybe
I'll
start
with
well,
he
unmuted,
so
I'm
going
to
start
with
president
of
the
boston,
public
library,
david
leonard
and
then
I'll
go
to
chief
mariana,
whiteham
and
then
her
cabinet
and
then
kate
davis.
B
F
G
G
But
this
is
an
exciting
opportunity,
one
that,
even
though
we
may
be
in
administrative
transition,
certainly
we'll
be
prepared
to
support.
There
may
be
some
work
to
do
around
the
language
and
the
specifics
as
we
go
forward,
but
the
principles
of
you
know
being
more
organized
around
celebrating
these
great
series
of
events.
G
Some
may
be
painful
and
some
may
be
difficult,
but
nonetheless
they
are
events
to
both
mark
and
celebrate
as
we
go
forward.
But
to
do
so
in
a
way
that
ensures
that
everyone
who
is
part
of
boston's
history
and
boston
today
can
find
voice
in
the
events
that
we
anticipate,
I
think,
is
very,
very
important,
and
so
I'm
really
here
to
to
basically
endorse
this
process
go
forward
and
we
look
forward
to
ongoing
conversations
about
the
specifics
and
how
to
involve.
You
know
many
members
of
the
community.
G
You
know,
as
we
heard
at
the
first
hearing,
there
are
many
organizations
that
are
already
engaged
in
both
advanced
planning
and
thinking
about
these
series
of
events.
So
in
many
ways
what
this
commission
may
do
is
simply
give
an
additional
framework
and
opportunity
and
forum
for
increased
collaboration
and
coordination,
particularly
as
it
pertains
to
not
just
boston's
focus,
but
the
state's
focus
as
well.
So
I
think,
while
it's
not
meant
to
replace
work,
that's
already
underway,
or
you
know,
add
it.
G
It
certainly
provides
a
forum,
and
I
think
that
the
net
effect
will
be
one
that
is,
that
is
additive,
and
I
think
we
we
have.
You
know
certainly
several
departments
who
will
both
speak
today
and
are
represented
here
for
questions
about
how
some
of
the
specifics
may
move
forward,
but
certainly
from
the
library's
point
of
view
and
representing
my
colleagues,
we
are
charged
with
both
the
the
preservation
of
history.
G
Certainly,
that
is
true
of
the
city
archives
department,
in
edition
in
particular,
but
also
in
bringing
that
history
to
life
and
ensuring
that,
where
that
history
has
gaps
that
we
fill
in
those
gaps
and
that
we
continue
to
ensure
that
our
understanding
of
history
evolves.
So
I
will.
I
will
end
my
opening
comments
at
this
point
and
pass
to
my
colleagues.
H
H
I
I
I
do
want
to
kind
of
follow
up
on
the
idea
that
it's
not
just
the
built
environment,
but
we're
also
talking
about
underrepresented
history,
which
means
unwritten,
and
to
that
end,
I'd
like
to
invite
one
of
my
team,
joe
bagley,
who
is
the
city
archaeologist,
who
I
believe
ought
to
be
involved
in
this
commission
and
then
the
process
of
formulating
the
commission
to
help
bring
archaeology
into
the
just
kind
of
permeate.
The
idea
of
archaeology
throughout
right
now
he's
only
able
to
watch
because
he
doesn't
have
a
whatever
link
you
need.
I
And
he
can
talk
more
fully
about
the
various
types
of
projects
he
has
going
on.
That
will
illuminate
the
400th,
for
example,
anniversary,
and
we
also
have
a
native
quarry
in
matapan.
That
is
going
to
be
our
first
landmark
fingers
crossed
involving
native
peoples.
So
we
have
some
judges,
some
exciting
work,
so
I
think
it
would
be
really
valuable
to
to
let
him
be
part
of
the
conversation.
B
J
Well,
I
can
start
if
we're
waiting
for
joe
to
connect.
Thank
you
very
much.
This
is
marvelous.
I
can't
wait
to
get
started.
I
I
think
I
can
say
on
behalf
of
the
landmarks
commission
members
that
we're
very
grateful
to
have
been
invited
to
the
table
and
I'm
particularly
grateful
that
the
three
tools
that
that
we've
had
the
only
tools
we
really
had
preservation
tools
for
the
last.
K
All
right,
thank
you
so
much
counselor
bach
for
the
invitation
and
thank
you
roseanne
for
the
kind
words
about
the
work
we're
doing
for
the
city
archaeology
program.
But
yes,
I
I
would
be
thrilled
to
participate
in
this
committee
if
invited
we
are
working
on
several
big
projects,
one
of
which
we're
going
to
start
next
month
on
an
archaeological
collection
from
charlestown
james
garrett
site,
the
1640
to
1650
site
for
in
celebration,
the
400th,
it's
a
federal
grant
that
we
received
for
this
to
prepare
for
the
400
celebrations.
K
It's
an
intersectional
site
with
both
european
history
and
native
history,
represented
on
the
site
and
we've
also
been
in
discussion
with
the
park
service
about
commemorations
and
future
potential
archaeological
surveys
in
charlestown,
ahead
of
the
to
do
an
inclusive
archaeology
of
the
battle
of
bunker
hill,
including
the
many
native
people
of
color,
and
also
women
and
children,
who
were
impacted
by
that
day
that
singular
day
in
the
in
the
community,
both
in
the
battle,
but
also
the
burning
of
the
town
itself.
So
I'm
very
thrilled
to
that.
B
Wonderful,
that's
so
exciting
joe.
I
I
think
it's
exactly
the
kind
of
project
we
want
to
get
going
in
that
we
want
to
bring
attention
to
right,
and
I
know
that
as
well.
We'll
hear
from
some
of
the
I
mean
I
don't
know
kate.
I
know
you
sort
of
said
david
would
speak
on
your
react,
but
if
you
want
to
say
a
word.
B
F
Yes
and
making
the
residents
of
boston
tourists
in
their
own
city,
to
I'm
sure,
there's
many
many
people
that
don't
know
all
these
unique
histories
with
diverse
experiences.
So
I'm
we're
absolutely
supportive
of
this.
I'm
really
excited
to
work
with
all
of
these
different
people
to
create
many
events
across
the
city.
So.
B
Great
fantastic,
I
I
thought
that
maybe
what
I
would
do
is
just
for
a
moment.
I
might
share
my
screen
and
just
show
for
folks
who
are
watching
at
home
the
draft
legislation
you
can.
You
can
get
this.
Anybody
can
get
this
it's
up
online.
You
can,
if
you
can't
find
it,
you
can
ask
email,
christine
christ,
dot,
o'donnell,
o-d-o-n-n-e-l-l,.
B
At
boston.gov
and
she
can
get
you
a
copy,
but
I'll
just
I
thought
I
would
maybe
just
show
it
so
that
somebody
who's
watching
at
home
could
get
a
sense
of
who
we
sort
of
had
currently
proposed
on
the
committee.
I
definitely
would
happily
take
the
friendly
amendment
of
adding
the
city,
the
city
archaeologist,
so
I'm
gonna.
B
Can
you
guys
see
my
screen
right
now?
Yes,
okay
great,
so
this
was
this.
Is
the
filed
ordinance?
This
is
some
of
the
statements
about
why
we
want
to
do
this
and
then,
when
you
get
into
the
actual
legislation,
probably
the
most
I
mean
the
important
piece
here.
There's
this
715.2,
which
is
about
you,
know
the
types
of
folks
who
we
would
anticipate.
B
E
B
Isn't
just
places
that
already
have
historic
districts,
but
then
also
includes
those
folks,
and
so
so
we
were
thinking
about
tourism
in
and
out
of
downtown
we're
thinking
about
community
archives.
We
were
thinking
about
non-profits
that
hold
historical
materials
folks
in
and
outside
of
historic
districts.
B
Indigenous
folks,
I
know
we're
going
to
hear
from
some
people
later.
We
you
know,
the
native
american
indian
center
of
boston
has
been
a
great
partner
to
my
office
and
they're.
They
really
provide
a
lot
of
social
services
and
are
hub
at
the
edge
of
district
8.
But
I
know
we
have
a
lot
of
folks
with
expertise
in
indigenous
history
and
it's
such
an
important
voice,
and
so
thinking
about
you
know
do
we
need
more
than
one
official
member.
Perhaps
in
that
category
I'll
hear
we'll
wait
to
hear
from
folks.
B
I
am
an
intellectual
historian
and
I
think
that
you
know
the
history
of
of
of
ideas
and
social
movements,
and
how
people
are
thinking
about
things
is,
is
an
important
piece
too.
So
definitely
want
that
element
in
the
mix,
somebody
from
boston's
I'll
just
say
in
that
sort
of
list
that
we're
just
reading
off.
B
B
Commemorations,
have
really
kind
of
laid
out
an
example
of
what
this
kind
of
work
could
look
like:
the
greater
boston
convention
and
visitors
bureau,
people
who
are
hospitality
workers,
somebody
from
the
state
house
to
again
help
keep
those
so
that
was
kind
of
how
we
were
thinking
through
it
and
then
on
the
city
side,
economic
development,
arts
and
culture.
Tourism
is
here
with
us
today.
B
Pps,
I
think
curricular
stuff
is
so
important,
and
it's
been
really
interesting
for
me
to
hear
from
so
many
people
who
were
young
during
the
bicentennial
and
who
remember
it,
and
it
really
shaped
their
sense
of
history
in
the
city,
and
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
that
in
an
exciting
and
inclusive
way.
Here:
city
archivist,
the
bpl
chief
mariama,
I
the
landmarks
commission,
both
the
executive
director
and
the
chair,
somebody
from
the
bpda.
B
I
actually
think
I
see
in
the
attendees
here
I'm
going
to
promote
you
over
michael
connizzo,
but
obviously
the
planning
and
development
agencies
has
a
big
connection
to
to
sort
of
how
the
built
environment
of
the
city
is
doing
in
general,
potentially
the
collective
or
treasurer,
because
the
community
preservation
trust
fund
really
is
the
city's
funding
source
for
historic
preservation
projects
and
the
city
council.
So
that
was
kind
of
how
we
were
thinking
about
this
commission
and
then,
when
you
say,
hey,
33
people
and
now
we're
adding
them.
B
There's
a
lot
of
people
to
have
in
one
committee
room.
That's
where
the
kind
of
concept
of
subcommittees
focused
around
particular
things,
events
and
trails,
timelines,
exhibits
in
curricula,
legislation
and
preservation
tools
and
the
idea
of
sort
of
assigning
people
to
some
of
these
specific
designated
subcommittees,
and
that
we
would
create
some
real
staffing
capacity
and
take
it
on
as
a
council
to
make
sure
that
we
were
budgeting
appropriately
for
this
kind
of
pulling
together
work.
B
And
then
this
kind
of
just
lays
out
a
bunch
of
a
bunch
of
further
detail
about
what
the
objectives
of
these
different
subcommittees
would
be.
And
how
frequent
they
would
meet
and
stuff
this
further
detail,
I'm
skimming
through
quickly,
because
that's
what
I
meant
when
I
said
that
to
counselor
edwards
that
we
would
get
to
all
of
that
at
a
future
working
session.
B
But
I
thought
it
might
be
helpful
for
me
to
just
show
that
to
people
so
that
somebody
watching
at
home
could
understand
kind
of
who
we're
who
we're
envisioning,
including
and
so
yeah
I've.
I've
heard
already
that
the
city
are
caught,
archaeologists
and
and
maybe
an
additional
kind
of
focus
on
the
immigrant
history
piece.
D
You
know,
I
think
it's
a
wonderfully
enriched
tapestry,
as
you
already
mentioned,
the
immigrant
history.
You
know
when
you
talk
to
councillor
edwards
about
east
boston,
that
we
had
our
own
sort
of
ellis
island
in
east
boston
that
was
sort
of
demolished
and
taken
away.
But
you
know
having
done
family
history,
research
here
in
boston,
the
the
the
gateway
that
this
was
a
gateway
for
many
immigrants
from
europe
to
come
in
to
the
united
states
and
many
of
them
settled
here,
the
irish,
the
polish,
the
jewish.
D
That
and
the
maritime
history
of
boston
was
a
significant
port
and
and
and
also
geographically,
how
the
actual
shape
of
the
city
has
changed,
with
landfill
and
filling
the
back
bay
and
the
south
bay,
and
it's
basically
more
landfill
than
than
I
think
and
and
then
putting
that
in
the
context
of
climate
change
going
forward.
You
know
this
moment
in
time.
What
can
we
learn
from
the
past
that
will
inform
our
future?
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
counselor
braden
michael,
do
you
mind
just
saying
a
word
just
since
I
think
you're
the
bpda
person
here,
maybe
about
the
way
that
the
bpda
interacts
today
on
the
on
the
historic
preservation
piece.
I
know
that
I
think
you
know.
Article
85
is
a
it's
an
article
of
our
zoning
code,
which
is
sort
of
something
that
the
bpda
staff
help
hold
custody
of.
I
don't
know,
michael,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
just
saying
a
few
words
I
may
have
lost
you.
G
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
comment
part.
A
comment,
part
question.
I'm
sure
there
will
be
other
organizations
that
get
uncovered
in
the
process
of
thinking
about
this
work
and
beginning
this
work
and
in
in
my
experience
you
know
some
may
be
desirable
to
add,
as
formal
members
of
the
commission,
others
may
be
invited
to
participate
in
working
groups,
because
I
I
do
believe
you
know
the
the
whole
city
can
get
behind
this
and
there's
no
shortage
of
work
to
do,
and
just
because
someone's
name
isn't
on
the
actual
commission
list
it
can.
B
starting
early
is
great,
as
you
know,
for
planning,
exhibits,
etc,
but
also,
of
course,
like
actors
are
going
to
change
and
organizations
that
aren't
in
the
loop
today
will
get
into
the
loop
in
a
couple
of
years.
So
I
agree
with
you:
we
can't
we
can't
set
anything
up
here
in
a
way
that
kind
of
closes
down
the
options
for
participation.
B
L
And
I'm
sorry,
I
had
to
jump
off
for
a
second,
just
as
I
was
asked
to
jump
into
another
meeting
this
morning.
You
call
on
me
so
I
apologize
for
the
disruption.
The
reason
why
the
bpda
is
is
involved,
the
article
85,
which
is
the
demolition
delay
ordinance,
is
part
of
the
zoning
code,
so
that
is
part
of
our
responsibility
is
to
draft
the
zoning
amendments
or
codes.
L
Also,
there
are
a
number
of
folks
that
work
in
the
bpda
that
have
had
their
starts
of
their
careers
down
at
the
environment
department
and
specifically
with
the
landmarks
commission.
So
there's
a
number
of
us
that
have
a
very
strong
interest
in
what
what
how
the
commission
works
and
how
we
preserve
the
buildings
in
boston.
So
I
think
that's
another
strong
piece
that
the
bpda
brings
is
our
experience
working
with
the
commission.
L
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
michael
yeah
and
I
I
strongly
agree.
I
think
it's
you
guys
have
a
key
role
to
play
and
I
really
appreciate
that
that
work
is
underway
on
article
85
and
I
think,
looking
forward
to
you,
know
getting
to
see
that
and
and
having
you
know
further
conversation
about
about
how
to
over
haul
those
things.
I
think
I
think
that's
the
thing
about
the
reason
we
do
commissions
and
such
is
just
to
pull
all
these
threads
together
and
have
people
see
like.
B
Oh
the
thing
that's
happening
over
in
this
silo
could
really
help
with
this
thing.
We're
working
on
in
this
other
silo
and
it's
great
to
have
so
many
departments
that
focus
on
their
area
and
do
such
a
great
job
at
it.
But
sometimes
you
need
to
you
need
a
little
bit
of
cross-cutting
work,
and
so
that's
definitely
the
objective.
Here
I
have
a
hand
raised
from
someone
who
I
think
has
a
city
id,
so
I'm
gonna
chance
it
and
promote
them
over
or
am
I
did
that
work.
B
M
How
you
doing
yeah
we're
we're
very
we're,
really
excited
to
be
part
of
this
of
this
of
this
of
this
endeavor,
and
some
of
our
activities
indeed
relate
to
some
of
the
aspirations
of
of
what
the
commission
is
going
to
do.
But
the
city
archives
we've
been
collaborating
with
other
archives
and
local
universities
on
projects
to
document
school
integration
and
urban
renewal
in
boston.
B
L
B
B
M
B
B
So
what
I
and
my
office
will
just
ask
of
everybody
in
advance
of
the
next
working
session
that
we
have,
which
we
haven't
scheduled
yet,
but
I
imagine
we
will
do
in
the
sort
of
later
part
of
november.
Early
december
is
just
for
folks
to
kind
of
have
somebody
in
the
department
go
through
the
actual
draft
language
and
think
about
what
are
the
changes
and
additions.
I
know
that
david
flagged.
B
M
N
B
So
like
you,
for
instance,
as
a
city
archivist,
and
so
for
the
virtue
of
the
title
people
it's
easy
because
it
just
changes.
You
know
as
necessary.
If,
if
the
title
the
whole
title
holder
changes-
but
I
think
you
know
with
the
other
appointees,
our
goal
in
having
it
be
appointed
by
the
mayor
with
approval
from
the
council
is.
This
is
obviously
aimed
to
be
a
kind
of
consensus-driven.
B
Like
process,
we're
not
we're
not
aiming
for
something
contentious
or
sort
of
between
the
two
branches
like
here,
but
I
think
we'll
all
need
to
put
our
heads
together
about
whether
that's
the
best
mechanism
and
whether
we
should
build
the
nomination
mechanism
into
it
or
something
I
don't
know.
But
that's
a
good.
It's
a
good
flag
for
us
to
discuss
at
the
working
session.
M
B
Well,
I
think
the
I
mean
the
next
working
session
will
be
about
who
we
should
include
formally
in
the
legislation,
which
is
right
more
about
the
description
of
categories
than
a
specific
person.
I
think
that
some
of
these
are
ones
where
it'll
we
would
leave
it
up
to
the
organization
to
submit
their
nominee.
B
Some
of
them
are
kind
of
we
might
like
if
we're
looking
for
a
voice
of
somebody,
who's
who's
like
focus
on
local
women's
history,
that
might
be
more
of
a
kind
of
open
call
situation.
So
I
think
we
need
to
think
through
that,
and
it's
yeah
it's
something
we
should
talk
about
at
the
next
working
session.
B
B
B
N
Good
afternoon
everybody,
I'm
allison
frazee
assistant
director
at
the
boston
preservation
alliance
and
I'm
happy
to
provide
a
couple
of
brief
comments
today.
So
with
this
commission,
we
have
the
opportunity
and
the
responsibility
to
not
only
ensure
that
these
upcoming
commemorations
and
celebrations
are
more
inclusive
of
all
of
boston's
history,
but
to
create
new,
more
appropriate
tools
for
historic
preservation
for
generations
to
come,
ensuring
that
the
progress
we've
made
to
uncover
lost
stories
and
empower
quieted
voices
will
continue
into
the
future
and
better
influence
the
decisions
that
are
made
about
boston's
built
heritage
moving
forward.
N
N
We
strongly
support
this
effort
and
thank
councillor
bach
and
others
who
have
worked
so
hard
on
this.
I
did
have
one
question
which
I
I
think
will
sort
of
tackle
in
the
working
sessions
coming
up,
but
just
to
flag
it
for
people
to
think
about.
I
wondered
how
the
how
public
the
subcommittee
conversations
would
be.
Would
the
public
be
invited
to
those
would
they
be
recorded
or
minutes
made
available
to
the
public?
N
B
Thank
you
allison.
So
much
no
and
that's
a
great
point
when
we
had
written
it.
We
have
been
thinking
of
that
balance,
and
so
we
did
constitute
it
in
a
way
that
I
think
wouldn't
make
the
subcommittees
automatically
subject
in
all
their
deliberations
to
open
meeting
law.
But,
but
I
think,
like
it
seems
to
me
like
with
practically
all
these
subcommittees.
B
You're
gonna
have
to
have
some
distinction
between
wanting
to
have
public
meetings
that
are
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
the
public,
to
have
the
public
hear
what
the
committee's
thinking
about
like
et
cetera.
You
know
there
is
probably
going
to
be
an
appropriate
time
for
that
in
all
these
conversations
and
then
also
like
you
say,
to
be
able
to
have
different
stakeholders
get
to
know
each
other
and
kind
of
talk
about
look.
B
This
is
the
angle
I
was
thinking
and
not
all
those
necessarily
need
the
formality
of
something
like
today's
occasion
right
where
we're
all
on
zoom
streaming
together.
So
yeah,
I
think,
that's
a
good
flag
and
something-
and
I
would
appreciate
anybody-
who's
testifying
if
you
have
a
question
like
that,
even
if
you
think
it
might
be
for
the
working
session.
The
hearing
is
a
great
time
to
put
those
questions,
comments,
suggestions
on
the
record
just
so
that
we
can
then
go
to
the
working
session
and
kind
of
prepared
to
address
them.
B
O
Thanks
so
much
councilor
bach,
and
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
all
of
you
today,
we
are
so.
Our
organization
cares
for
the
old
state
house
and
old
south
meeting
house,
and
our
mission
is
to
bring
people
together
in
those
spaces
to
explore
our
nation's
unfinished
struggle
to
create
and
sustain
a
free
society.
So
you
know
that's
the
frame
that
we
bring
to
the
opportunity.
That's
ahead
of
us
in
these
upcoming
commemorations.
O
I'm
really
grateful
that
the
example
of
our
recent
work
around
the
anniversary
of
boston
massacre,
is
recognized
in
the
draft
ordinance
and
we
are
obviously
eager
to
be
engaged
in
these
conversations.
Moving
forward
in
whatever
way
is
supportive
of
the
city's
effort.
I
just
wanted
to
underscore
why
I'm
so
supportive
of
this
effort.
I
I
think
that
there
is
a
really
significant
opportunity
here.
O
There
is
an
opportunity
to
bring
visitors
to
boston
in
great
numbers,
just
like
the
bicentennial
did
that's
fantastic
for
for
heritage
tourism
and
the
business
that
drives
in
the
city.
Hopefully
we
can
bring
the
lens
of
equity
to
to
heritage
tourism
and
and
the
benefits
brings
to
the
city
in
this
cycle
of
commemorations.
But
more
importantly,
we
have
an
an
incredible
opportunity
to
engage
not
only
those
visitors
but
our
entire
city
in
a
dialogue
about
what
it
means,
what
it
really
means
to
say.
O
We
all
are
we,
the
people
and
the
way
that
we've
approached
the
story
of
the
of
the
nation's
founding
is
really
to
say
it's.
It's
an
unfinished
conversation
right,
so
here
in
boston
250
years
ago,
some
of
our
nation's
most
fundamental
questions
took
shape
and,
and
we're
still
grappling
with
those
questions.
So
we
have
an
opportunity
to
use
these
anniversaries
as
a
platform
for
dialogue,
not
about
the
past,
but
about
what
our
values
are
and
what
justice
and
equity
looks
like
for
this
generation
and
for
the
future
of
the
city.
O
So
I
I
think
you
know
it's
not
a
moment
too
soon
to
lean
in
and
and
think
together
about
how
to
do
that
in
a
way.
That's
going
to
make
us
proud
and
move
the
city
forward
at
a
really
critical
moment,
and
then
the
third
piece
of
the
opportunity
is
that
we,
we
really
do
have
a
chance
to
leave
a
legacy.
O
I
think
we
can
all
look
back
at
the
bicentennial
and
say
there
were
really
critical
investments
made
in
our
historic
infrastructure
that
have
left
a
lasting
mark
on
the
city
have
changed
the
way
the
world
sees.
Boston
have
continued
to
be
a
benefit
to
the
city.
What
are
those
investments
that
we
want
to
make
for
today
and
what
does
that
legacy?
Look
like
for
the
next
50
years?
That's
really
what
we
should
be
thinking
about.
You
know
improved
infrastructure
for
inclusive
storytelling
infrastructure,
for
building
a
welcoming
experience
for
all.
O
That's
that's
what
this
opportunity
represents.
So
we're
really
excited
to
be
part
of
that
conversation,
and
you
know
the
250th
anniversary
of
the
tea
party
is
just
around
the
corner
in
2023,
and
so
our
organization
is
already
thinking
about
how
to
do
that
in
a
way
that
feels
right
for
the
current
moment.
So
to
maximize
the
opportunity,
I
think
you
know
what
we.
What
we
need
is
greater
coordination.
We've
got
lots
of
organizations
that
can
contribute
something
and
lots
of
neighborhoods.
That
can
contribute
something
to
this,
but
we
do
need
coordination.
O
So
this
commission,
I
think,
can
be
really
helpful
in
that
way,
and
you
know
I
think
it
it
bears
saying
out
loud
that
we
also
need
resources.
I
mean,
unfortunately,
many
of
the
non-profit
organizations
that
are
vital
partners
for
this
undertaking
have
really
been
laid
low
by
the
pandemic
and
and
so
we're
scrambling
to
get
our
heads
above
water.
O
So
I
think
you
know
we
just
need
to
be
mindful
of
how
we
can
bring
resources
to
bear
in
a
way
that
will
allow
us
to
maximize
the
opportunity
ahead
of
us
in
a
very
short
period
of
time.
So
that's,
I
think,
that's
what
I've
got
to
say
to
this
fantastic
group
and
so
looking
forward
to
continuing
the
conversation.
N
O
So
number
one
I'm
really
glad
to
see
boston
national
historical
park
called
out
in
here
they
are
doing
fantastic
work.
I
just
launched
a
series
of
programs
virtual
engagement
series
that
is
really
aligned
with
what's
laid
out
here,
called
unfinished
america
at
250.,
but
it's
not
just
boston
national
historical
park.
It's
also
boston,
african-american
heritage,
site
and
boston,
harbor
islands,
national
recreation.
O
I
forget
what
the
title
is,
but
that
the
the
administrative
unit
that
is
relevant
is
the
national
parks
of
boston
they've,
all
sort
of
been
unified
under
that
one
umbrella.
So
we
probably
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
reflecting
that
in
the
ordinance
language
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I
was
gonna
say
was
the
the
membership
is
is
has
been
thoughtfully.
So
we've
we've
thought
carefully
about
how
to
engage
folks
involved
in
the
business
side
of
heritage
tourism
and
I
think,
that's
entirely
appropriate.
O
But
I
I
would
think
that
it
might
be
appropriate
to
include
voices
from
the
wider
business
community
in
boston,
not
just
heritage
tourism,
so
it
might
make
sense
to
try
to
engage
the
chamber
of
commerce
or
beckma
or
some
other
organizations.
That
might
be
able
to
bring
the
wider
business
community
to
the
table.
I
I
hate
to
get
into
the
boston
and
philadelphia
comparisons,
but
if
you
look
at
the
philadelphia,
250th
commission
they
have
you
know.
O
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
nat
for
those
suggestions
amen
for
all
your
work.
Next
up,
gene
foster.
I
was
so
pleased
to
meet
recently.
It
was
a
very
powerful
moment
on
the
friday,
before
indigenous
people's
day,
the
harvard
club
of
boston,
which
is
in
my
district.
I
raised
a
massachusetts
flag,
so
a
flag
of
the
massachusetts
people
over
its
building
in
the
back
bay
on
com,
ave
and
I
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
gene
and
was
just
thinking
about
what.
B
P
P
Recognize
so
thomas
green
is
our
vice
president
of
our
tribal
council,
and
he
is
one
of
our
historic.
The
chairperson
of
our
history,
commit
committee
a
very
solid
historian,
and
he
brings
a
lot
of
information
to
the
whole
tribe
that
they've
done
for
the
past
20
years,
at
least
of
deep
and
detailed
research
from
the
massachusetts
archives.
Q
Thank
you
both
jeannie
and
councillor
bach,
and
thank
you
everybody
for
having
me
here
I'll
I'll,
be
fast.
I
would
just
like
to
add
to
this
endeavor
by
bringing
like
the
history
of
the
you
know
the
enduring
massachusetts
tribe
in
totant
or
what
is
now
known
as
boston,
I'd
like
to
bring
to
light
the
procession
of
indigenous
leadership
from
the
massachusetts
tribe
that
has
successfully
led
our
people
from
you
know,
prior
to
colonization.
Q
To
this
day,
we
you
know
still
led
by
a
soccum
of
the
blood,
and
you
know
just
like
you
were
saying
too
many
people
don't
know
about
the
massachusetts.
I'd
also
like
to
bring
to
light
some
of
the
historically
important
events
that
you
know
revolve
around.
You
know,
members
of
our
tribe-
and
you
know,
as
well
as
other
indigenous
groups
in
massachusetts,
who've
been
marginalized
and
don't
really
have
a
voice
and
have
been
you
know
passed
over
when
it
comes
to
the
history
of
this
place.
Q
A
lot
of
the
indigenous
bands
I
happen
to
personally
be
descended
from
the
neponset
band
of
the
massachusetts
tribe
at
poncapog,
but
there
were
there
were
there
were
a
lot
of
bands
in
the
massachusetts
prior
to
colonization
that
have
just
been
either
wiped
out
or
assimilated
into
other
bands
and
tribes
due
to
you
know,
displacement
with
colonization,
and
I
just
like
to
bring
to
light
some
of
that
history,
some
of
the
history
of
the
original
indigenous
peoples
of
boston.
That
I
mean
I
never
learned
about.
B
P
Yes,
am
I
unmuted
okay,
so
thank
you,
thomas.
I'm.
Just
really
imp
want
to
re
reiterate
the
history
being
omitted
as
I
I
was
a
teacher
for
the
for
30
years
in
boston
teaching
at
the
elementary
level,
and
I
did
teach
in
grades
two
three
and
five
throughout
my
career,
and
I
know
that
those
are
the
grades
where
native
american
history
are
taught.
P
The
massachusetts
frameworks
specifically
teaches
only
about
the
wampanoag
tribe
and
a
lot
of
the
wampanoag
educators
and
leaders
have
been
developed
curriculums
that
I've
used
myself
as
a
teacher
to
educate
my
students
in
my
schools,
because
nowhere
in
any
of
the
schools
that
I've
taught
or
been
in
boston
did
anyone
know.
There
really
was
a
massachusetts
tribe
and
that's
taken
a
very,
very
my
my
whole
career
to
bring
that
to
light
and
each
of
the
tribal
members
who
I
who
are
on
our
council
have
had
that
everywhere
we
go.
P
People
are
not
aware
that
there
even
is
a
massachusetts
tribe.
So
I
am
very
supportive
of
your
commission
and
I
am
grateful
because
you
are
giving
a
voice
in
this
commission
to
to
the
native
people
and
every
other
culture
that
is
not
mentioned,
which
is
a
lot
of
our
cultures.
The
ones
you
mentioned
in
the
in
the
proposal
have
all
been
marginalized
to
a
point
in
favor
of
the
european
story
of
colonization.
P
So
there
are
two
two
committees
that
we
are
very
interested
in
that
were
in
your
proposal.
One
is
the
events
and
trails
committee
because
we
have
been
recognized
in
recent
years.
The
the
recent
three
as
I'll
say
three
to
five
years
and
actually
the
first
community
of
boston
was
brighton
that
created
a
mural.
They
commissioned
a
mural
under
a
train
bridge,
a
large
train
bridge,
and
we
members
of
our
tribe
were
the
models
for
that
in
2004.
P
P
Official
markings
placed
in
boston,
but
no
one
would
know
that,
and
this
commission
could
perhaps
allow
us
to
cr
to
establish
a
native
trail
and
that
you
know
the
the
massachusetts
trail,
the
massachusetts
tribal
trail
in
boston
and
and
include
all
a
lot
of
these
places
where
we
have
in
quincy
there's
a
couple
of
places
in
quincy,
punk
canton,
the
city,
the
town
of
canton,
was
ponkapog.
The
entire
town
of
of
canton
was
the
six
thousand
acres
of
poncapog,
where
the
naponzit
trot
banned
of
us,
where
our
ancestors
were
moved.
P
P
For
me,
the
curriculum
is
a
very
important
part
for
me,
because
in
the
massachusetts
frameworks,
only
the
wampanoag
tribe
are
required
to
be
learned
about,
and,
of
course,
there
are
at
least
three
or
four
tribes
in
the
boston
area,
including
the
massachusetts
tribe,
who
contribute
to
our
the
whole
native
community.
But
you
know,
including
the
nipmucks.
B
Thank
you
so
much
gene
and
thomas
again
really
thank
you
for
being
part
of
this,
and
yes,
I
also
hope
for
success
here
and
then
it'll
be
and
then
we'll
just
be
at
the
starting
line
right
on
really
making
progress
on
all
these
things.
So
I
think,
with
that,
I'm
just
gonna,
I'm
gonna
double
check
and
make
sure
that
we're
not.
I
know
there's
at
least
one
person
who
is
going
to
join
us
for
public
testimony
who
may
have
to
come
to
the
next
working
session.
B
Instead,
I'm
just
going
to
double
check
christine
you
don't
have
anybody
else
signed
up
right
now,
right,
hi
counselor!
I
do
not
okay
all
right.
Well,
I
think,
in
the
interest
of
everybody's
time,
we'll
probably
ask
that
person
to
come
along
to
our
next
session,
since
we
know
that
we
will
have
one
again
for
the
administrative
folks,
we
will.
B
B
There
continues
to
be
really
strong
support
for
doing
this
across
the
city
departments
and-
and
I
do
feel
that
there's
strong
support
on
the
council
amongst
colleagues,
so
I
think
it's
just
a
question
of
the
t's
and
dotting
the
eyes
and
getting
ourselves
together
to
that
starting
line,
and
it's
it's
actually
like
you
know
the
the
timelines
we're
talking
about
will
catch
up
on
us
fast
and
as
as
gene
just
so
eloquently
described.
There
are
many.