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Government Operations Hearing- Docket #1301-Petition for a Special Law re: an act regarding military leave policy in the City of Boston pursuant to Chapter 33, Section 59 of the General Laws.
A
A
A
Good
morning
everybody
I'm
Boston
city
council,
Ricardo,
Arroyo,
chair
of
the
community
on
government
operations.
It
is
Thursday
September,
21st
2023,
and
this
hearing
is
on
docket
1301
petitioned
for
a
special
law
regarding
an
act
regarding
military
leave
policy
in
the
city
of
Boston
pursuant
to
chapter
33,
section
59
of
the
general
laws
sponsored
by
councilor,
Ed
Flynn
and
referred
to
the
committee
on
August
9
2023.
A
This
proposal
is
100
own
repetition
that
would
give
paid
leave
to
city
employees
in
the
National
Guard
are,
or
a
reserve
component
of
the
Armed
Forces
activated
on
title
32
or
title
10
orders.
This
paid
leave
would
be
for
the
first
40
days
of
active
duty.
The
Proposal
would
also
give
city
employees
in
the
National
Guard
or
a
reserve
component
of
the
Armed
Forces
participating
in
the
drills
or
military
parades
paid
leave
for
the
first
40
days
of
military
activities.
A
In
accordance
with
chapter
two
of
the
acts
of
2023
modifying
certain
requirements
of
the
open
meeting
law,
including
the
requirement
that
public
bodies
conduct
their
meetings
in
a
public
place
that
is
open
and
physically
accessible
to
the
public.
The
city
council
will
be
conducting
this
hearing
remotely
and
it
is
being
recorded.
This
enables
the
city
council
to
carry
out
its
responsibilities
while
ensuring
public
access
to
its
deliberations
through
adequate
alternative
means.
This
hearing
is
being
recorded
and
being
live
streamed
at
www.boston.gov
city
council
TV
and
on
Xfinity
8
rcn82
FiOS
964,
to
provide
written
testimony.
A
A
A
This
morning,
I'm
joined
by
my
Council
colleagues
council,
president
Flynn
counselor
at
large
Michael,
Flaherty
and
council
at
large
Ruby
gen
I'd,
also
like
to
note
that
Council
Brian
Morrell
is
unable
to
attend
but
did
submit,
submit
a
letter,
letting
us
know
that
he
supported
this
and
that
he
would
be
absent
today.
I'm
gonna
give
the
original
sponsor
a
chance
to
make
opening
statements
before
I
introduce
our
panel
and
I'll
give
my
accounts.
Colleagues,
the
same
respects,
counselor
Flynn.
C
This
Mr
chair
and
for
working
with
me
on
this
important
matter.
This
is
a
home
rule
petition
regarding
the
military
leave
policy
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
making
it
more
consistent
with
Mass
General
law,
33,
section
59,
which
is
the
state
law
that
governs
military
leave.
Our
city,
employees,
who
are
military
reservists
and
members
of
the
National
Guard,
not
only
participate
in
drills
and
parades,
but
are
also
required
to
report
for
active
duty
when
activated
under
title
32
or
title
10.
C
Thus
than
deployed
the
non-deployed
service.
Members
and
I
know.
This
is
more
of
a
technical
wording,
but
some
members
of
the
military,
whether
the
state,
employees
or
their
city
employees,
might
be
part
of
the
Massachusetts
National
Guard
and
for
different
reasons,
whether
it's
promotion
or
training
or
because
a
Billet
is
open,
they
might
need
to
move
from
the
national
Mass
National
God
to
another
state
God
as
well.
C
That's
also
important
to
note,
because
if
someone
is
moved
or
transferred
from
the
mass
National
Guard
to
another
state,
a
state
God,
they
should
also
be
receiving
the
same
compensation
as
if
you
are
working
for
this.
For
the
state.
I
know
it's
it's
more
Technical
and
there's
there's
other
issues
relating
to
that.
C
But
this
home
rule
petition
will
ensure
that
city,
employees
and
the
National
Guard,
or
a
reserve
component
of
the
Armed
Forces
of
the
United
States
activated
on
title
32
or
title
10.
What
is
shall
receive?
Pay
leave
for
the
first
40
days
of
active
duty
same
with
those
participating
in
military,
drills
and
parades
our
city,
employees,
who
are
National
Guard
and
reservists
made
sacrifices
to
serve
our
city
and
Country,
and
they
deserve
our
respect
and
to
be
paid
fairly.
C
I
hope
that
we
can
learn
more
about
the
city's
military
leave
policy
at
this
hearing
and
have
the
support
from
the
city
to
ensure
that
our
military
members
are
paid
fairly
when
you're
in
the
military.
As
a
reservist
and
you're
active
you're
activated,
your
family
should
not
suffer
because
you
are
serving
our
nation
regardless
of
what
component.
In
the
military,
this
is
long
overdue.
C
We
need
to
update
this
policy
to
address
any
loopholes
that
that
are
in
the
policy,
but
I
also
know
that
and
I
know
the
sacrifice
that
reservers
have
made
our
military
has
made,
but,
more
importantly
than
that,
it's
their
families
that
made
the
same
sacrifice
as
well
when,
when
a
veteran
is
overseas,
serving
it's
really
more
difficult
on
the
family
members,
the
kids,
so
why?
Why
would
we
want
to
punish
the
family
with
the
with
the
reduced
pay
or
taking
them
off
of
a
certain
medical
health
care
plan?
C
Let's
support
our
military
families,
I!
Guess
that's
what
that's
my
point
and
you
know
I.
This
city
has
always
supported
veterans
in
military
families.
I
hope
we're
able
to
continue
doing
that
and
provide
a
level
of
respect
and
dignity
to
our
veterans
and
to
our
military
families
as
well.
Mr
chair,
thank
you
for
giving
me
an
extra
couple
minutes
to
go
over.
Thank
you.
D
If
you
will
we,
you
know
during
the
budget
process,
we
had
a
disappointing
moment
when
members
of
the
council
wanted
to
take
funds
away
from
from
the
military
away
from
our
veteran
services
and
led
to
a
tremendous
backlash
across
the
city
on
that
issue,
and
so
Council
president's
leadership
and
the
council
was
able
to
restore
those
funds
in
partnership
with
the
the
administration.
So
you
know
so
I
guess
in
the
spirit
of
that
sort
of
turning.
D
You
know
they're
very
disappointing
and
dark
moment
around
to
an
ordinance
like
this,
which
I
hope
will
be
supported
by
all
13
members
of
the
Boston
city
council
will
be
a
strong
statement
that
we
do
support
here
in
Boston.
We
support
our
veterans,
we
support
the
military,
military
families
and
particular
our
Gold
stock
families,
and
that
no
additional
burden
should
be
placed
on
folks
who
have
made
the
commitment
to
serve
our
country.
So
thank
you,
Mr,
chairman,
and
look
forward
to
to
voting
on
this
ordinance
as
quickly
as
possible.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
to
the
council
president
for
this
ordinance
and
everyone
for
their
service.
I.
Just
look
forward
to
hearing
from
folks
about
this
ordinance
I.
You
know,
as
folks
know,
I
care
deeply
about
making
sure
that
our
city
workers
are
paid
justly
and
fairly
throughout
our
city
and
so
I'm,
looking
forward
to
hearing
from
the
administration
on
this
and
to
see
what
other
cities
have
adopted,
mgl
chapter
3,
section
59
and
to
learn
what
has
taken
so
long
and
why
we
haven't
had
this
before.
A
Thank
you
and
I'm
told
we
are
expecting
two
people
for
this
panel.
One
of
them
is
here:
Alex,
Lawrence,
chief
of
people
for
the
city
of
Boston.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
joining
us
and
Greg
Kelly
from
Mass
fallen
heroes.
Who
I
believe
is
here
there.
You
are
wonderful
and
so
I'm
gonna
give
both
of
you
an
opportunity
to
do
an
opening
statement
and
then
go
directly
to
questions.
I
want
to
just
add
my
opening
statement
here
in
support
of
this.
A
This
I,
you
know
I've
kind
of
joined,
Council
Blues
in
I
kind
of
want
to
know
why
it
took
so
long
to
to
get
this
to
a
place
where
we're
there.
So
this
has
my
support
and
so
I
don't
have
too
many
questions,
Beyond
just
how
many
employees
this
would
apply
to
I.
Don't
think
that
the
Merit
of
this
has
to
be
explained
to
me
so
I'll.
A
Let
folks
ask
the
questions
that
they
feel
they
have
to
ask,
but
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
give
becoming
with
the
administration
and
then
Mr
Kelly
will
go
to
you.
If
you,
you
have
opening
statements
prepared
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
chief
original
sponsor
and
then
folks
in
order
of
arrival
for
questions,
if
they
have
any
so
we'll
give
you
a
chance
to
to
open
up
Miss
Lawrence.
F
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
for
for
having
us
here
today.
I'm
really
excited
that
we
had
an
opportunity
to
to
meet
with
Mr
Kelly
and
some
of
the
other
folks
who
have
been
advocates
for
this
home
rule
petition.
We
deeply
care
in
our
eager
to
ensure
that
those
who
have
served
in
the
military
are
paid
in
a
way
that
honor
their
tremendous
sacrifices
that
they
make
for
our
country
I.
G
Hey
good
morning,
I'd
just
like
to
say,
I'm,
a
retired
sergeant,
major
and
city
of
Boston
employee
for
23
years
required
about
it
and
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody.
It
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
support
for
essentially
cleaning
up
this
language,
I'd
like
to
thank
councilman
Flynn
for
always
getting
behind
our
veterans
and
and
and
and
really
being,
our
go-to
guy,
as
both
military
service
members
and
Veterans
and
I
I.
G
Think
the
chairperson
Royal,
as
well
for
for
having
this
this
meeting
I
think
we
we
have
some
very
good
dialogue
going
on
with
the
city
team
this
morning
and
I
I
think
we're
in
a
situation
where,
if
we
can
tighten
up
and
and
make
the
language
uniform
and
applied
uniformly
throughout
the
city,
there
are
some
legislative
things
that
happen
at
the
state
level.
Alex
I
just
met.
We
were
talking
this
morning
about
you
know
this
thing
between
you
know,
which
state
National,
Guard
you're
in
I
mean
oftentimes.
G
G
G
Because
of
some
type
of
a
you
know
differential
where
they're
saying
hey,
the
orders
didn't
pay
this.
They
said
that
and
therefore
we
get
part
of
what
we
want
to
just
clean
up.
We
just
everybody's
on
the
same
cheating,
music,
saying:
let's
take
care
of
the
people
that
is
sacrificed
if
we,
if
we
have
a
scenario
where
someone
comes
off
for
payroll,
because
they,
for
example,
mobilized
with
the
National
Guard
for
for
who
cares
what
reason,
whatever
they
are
mobilized
for
training
or
operational
Duty.
G
G
You
know
allotment
so
what
it's
a
lot
of
Life
disruption
that
those
and-
and
we
just
want
to
alleviate-
that
we
don't
want
to
make
it
more
difficult.
So
if
we
want
to
make
less
difficulties
and
I
think
laid
off,
some
of
this
language
will
achieve
that,
and
that
seems
to
be
a
great
Unity
of
effort
among
the
council
and
now,
like
I
said
this
morning
with
team,
it
seems
to
everybody
wants
to
do
right
by
the
soul.
G
That's
a
very
positive
environment
to
be
important.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
that
for
their
support,
we're
going
to
continue
to
work
with
councils
and
get
this
language
really
tight
and
the
City
team
and
get
really
tight
in
into
a
simplified
Matrix.
The
city
Department,
can
just
simply
follow
the
guidance
of
the
city
and
and
era
on
the
side
of
taking
care
of
the
soldier
knot.
G
There
should
be
no
scenario
where
a
soldiers
getting
a
bill
at
the
end
of
their
deployments,
and
you
know,
and
that
I
can't
I
always
want
to
emphasize
how
much
sacrifice
it
is
in
the
reserves,
even
comparing
in
comparison
to
active
duty
service,
which
I
have
done
both
on
active
duty.
It's
just
your
job
when
you
get
mobilized
with
the
riskers,
it's
a
massive
intellectual
families,
pattern
of
life
and
your
kids,
it's
a
huge
sacrifice
to
get
it
serving
reserves
and
the
the
way
the
military
is
organized
now
is
the
active.
G
H
Thank
you,
chair,
Royale,
I,
just
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much
for
giving
us
us
the
opportunity
to
speak
today.
Councilor
Flynn,
you
continue
to
be
an
incredible
Champion,
not
just
for
city
of
Boston
employees,
but
for
military
veterans
and
the
members
of
our
reserves.
As
a
veteran,
the
fellow
veteran
I.
Personally,
thank
you
for
that
and
as
the
president
of
Boston
718
on
behalf
of
our
organization.
Thank
you
to
you
and
your
colleagues
of
the
city
council
Alex,
your
team
at
City
Hall.
H
The
end
state
is
that,
like
Greg
said,
we
always
have
to
air
on
the
side
of
doing
everything
that
we
can
and
everything
that
we
should
be
doing
to
take
care
of
our
employees
and
then
our
employees,
to
our
military
veterans,
and
especially
those
who
continue
serve,
not
just
our
city,
but
our
country
in
the
armed
forces,
any
type
of
policy,
any
type
of
legislation,
legislative
action
that
can
be
taken,
not
an
expense
to
the
city.
This
is
an
investment.
H
It's
an
investment
in
your
Workforce,
the
nationalism
capabilities,
the
training,
the
everything
that
our
employees,
who
are
military
veterans
or
who
are
still
in
the
service.
Everything
that
they
bring
back
from
this
Workforce
is
an
investment
for
this
of
leadership,
training,
command
principles.
The
skill
sets
that
they
have
received
and
continued
to
receive
through
the
military.
H
There's
no
other
course
of
action.
There's
no
program
that
the
city
of
Boston
could
ever
reasonably
or
financially
pursue
that's
going
to
get
this
city
such
a
return
for
its
investment
military
services.
The
fundamental
principle
is
selfless
service
and
selfless
sacrifice
to
be
able
to
bring
that
back
to
this
city,
particularly
the
Departments,
where
a
lot
of
our
military
members
work
fired
upon
Police
Department
those
departments
are
predicated
on
the
same
principles
of
the
military.
H
So
I'd
like
to
thank
the
councilors
for
having
us
here
today,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
city
team
for
meeting
with
us
this
morning.
I
definitely
think
we're
headed
in
the
right
direction.
Whatever
Local
718
of
myself
can
offer
to
ensure
that
this
gets
done
or
a
phone
call
away.
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
I
Thank
you
yeah.
We
had
a
good
meeting
this
morning
with
Sam
from
Sam
and
Greg
from
7
18.
I
think
they
helped
us
clarify
what
exactly
they
were.
Looking
for
with
this
ordinance,
I
think
there's
been
a
live.
There
was
a
little
bit
of
misunderstanding
with
the
ordinance
that
the
city
was
not
confined
with
section
59
of
chapter
32
and
I.
Think
going
over
that
we've,
you
know
clarified
that
our
current
military
policy
does
comply
with
the
letter
of
the
law.
That's
in
section
59,
chapter
30.
I
that
does
provide
to
have
you
know.
Military
members
made
whole
if
there's
any
difference
between
what
they
receive
in
military
pay
and
what
they
received
as
a
public,
employee
and
I
think
the
city
has
been
doing
that
they
did
explain
like
what
they
were
exactly
seeking.
As
far
as
additional
benefits
Beyond.
What's
in
chapter
59,
that
you
know,
we
agreed
to
consider
and
make
some
sense.
I
The
statute
chapter
33
59,
does
provide
for
different
levels
of
benefits,
depending
on
what
your
orders
are
and
Mr
Dylan
and
Mr
Kelly
explained
how
that's
causing
confusion.
When
you
have
members
coming
back
just
on
different
orders
and
they
didn't
pick
what
orders
they
went
out
on
and
they're
getting
different
levels
of
pay.
So
we
agreed
to
work
together
and
maybe
try
to
streamline
the
the
benefits
that
different
members
are
getting
so
I
think
that'll
be
helpful
and
I
think
there
I'm
not
sure
this
home
petition
or
the
ordinance.
I
The
way
it's
written
would
do
that
I
think
that's
probably
something
that
would
be
better
left
to
either.
You
know
HR
policy
or
collective
bargaining
with
city
employees
yeah
we're
committed
to
make
sure
that
everyone
has
been
paid
fairly
and
everyone's
definitely
been
paid
under
the
statute
as
it's
currently
written.
That
statute
is
in
our
current
policy,
just
to
be
clear
on
that.
I
We
agreed
to
help
them
where
the
application
of
that
policy
is
not
coming
out
coming
out
fairly
between
different
orders
that
people
are
going
on
and
if
we
could
sort
of
streamline
that,
and
in
any
case
where
it's
you
know,
probably
provide
some
additional
benefit.
Potentially,
we
talked
about
providing
some
attention.
Some
additional
benefits
than
what's
in
the
statute
currently
so
I
mean
I.
A
C
To
Greg
Kelly
and
Sam
Dillon
in
your
families
as
well
for
their
their
service
and
their
sacrifice
to
to
our
city,
but
into
our
country,
your
family,
sacrificed
and
under
under
difficult
circumstances,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
every
family
going
forward
is
treated
with
respect
and
dignity.
Our
military
families
so
just
want
to
acknowledge
the
the
Boston
firefighters,
including
Sam
and
Greg
Hood.
There
are
hundreds
of
others
throughout
the
city
as
well,
so
so
Renee.
C
I
know
you,
you
said
we're
in
compliance
and
there
were
no
issues
but
I'm,
not
necessarily
on
board
with
that
and
the
reason
I'm
not
on
board
with
that
is
because
I
often
hear
from
veterans
about
issues
with
their
pay
in
as
this
situation,
I
also
heard
about
a
situation
with
the
with
the
Boston
Police
Department
as
well,
so
not
to
call
not
to
call
you
out.
But
my
question
is:
what
are
the
potential
scenarios
that
we're
not
thinking
of
right
now?
C
I
If
we
it
for
National
Guard
deployment
and
Reserve
deployment,
it
doesn't
provide
for
the
40
days
of
paid
leave
and
in
other
cases
it
does.
We
talked
about
just
streamlining
the
city
of
Boston
policy,
not
being
wed
to
the
letter
of
the
law
in
59,
and
maybe
just
and
we
don't
have
the
money.
Theory
I
haven't
good
of
authorization
to
do
that,
but
we
thought
we
talked
about
a
more
streamlined
approach
and
I.
Think
we're
committed
to
you
know
fixing
some
of
these
issues.
I
Yes,
definitely,
but
those
are
especially
the
National
Guard
deployments,
which
are
specifically
not
covered
under
Section
59,
but
just
going
above
what
59
requires
and
providing
the
same
benefits
to
no
matter
what
their
that
was,
the
discussion
again,
not
that
we've
agreed
to
it,
but
no
matter
what
their
deployment
is
to
providing
the
same
40
days
that
they
get
for
the
drills
of
training.
No
matter
what
the
military
assignment
is.
C
F
F
G
I
appreciate
that
and
yeah
we
so
we
we
had
like
I
said
we
had
a
great
conversation
this
morning,
there's
no
opposition
to
anyone.
I've
talked
to
yet,
as
far
as
looking
to
get
this
right
and
and
to
just
simplify
this
to
everyone.
What
right
looks
like
is
every
single
deservisto,
National
Guard
get
40
days
at
full
rate,
Council
or
so.
G
Apologize
we're
on
the
mezzanine
here
at
City,
Hall
and
we'll
be
up
to
see
councilman
after
this
at
any
rate.
So
so
what?
What
does
right?
Look
like
it's
it's
40
days
at
full,
face
pay
for
every
single
soldier,
sailor,
Airmen
and
Marine
when
they
get
called
up
for
whatever.
Who
cares
what
the
government
needs
to
say?
Okay,
the
the
active
military
doesn't
function
without
its
conservative
reports.
Both
the
government
calls
them
up.
B
A
C
C
C
My
my
request
also
is:
can
we
do
a
Memo
from
from
the
mayor
to
City
departments,
especially
the
HR
department,
when
this
change
does
take
place?
What
the
what
the
change
is
and
to
work
with
this
veteran
that
might
be
on
active
duty
or
returning
home
or
dealing
with
an
issue
overseas
that
they
can't
resolve?
C
C
I
want
to
make
sure
that
this
service
member
is
heard
at
the
highest
levels
of
of
the
city
of
Boston
Human
Resources
such
as
such
as
new
RNA
and
the
legal
department
and
Alex,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
those
types
of
issues-
and
there
will
be
issues
that
take
place
but
I,
want
to
make
sure
that
those
issues
are
addressed
immediately
resolved
in
our
veteran
is
taken
care
of
and
their
family
is
taken.
Care
of
I
need
to
know
before
I
make
any
decision
on
what
I'm
going
to
do.
C
I
F
And
certainly
I
would
just
extend
yes
like
a
hundred
percent
for
for
this
circumstance,
but
also
if
any
employee
feels
that
they
have
been
incorrectly
procedurally
paid
or
not.
An
adherence
to
our
policy
I
would
always
hope
that
they
would
feel
that
they
could
escalate
it
all
the
way
to
me
and
that
we
would
resolve
it
or
at
least
ensure
that
it
was
inherent
Star,
City
policy
that
would
be
I,
of
course,
would
will
make
that
commitment
in
the
scenario
and
would
also
make
that
commitment
in
in
any
scenario.
F
But
I
do
understand
that,
specifically
on
this
policy,
because
of
the
complexity,
and
also
because
of
the
tremendous
sacrifice
these
individual
employees
are
making
to
our
country,
that
we
should
take
it
seriously
and
I
think
in
terms
of
the
actual
sort
of
procedure
and
rolling
out
both
any
updates
to
policy,
which
would
always
brief
anyone
on.
But
it
seems
like
in
this
case
you
know
just
having
some
more
simplified
streamline
tables,
as
we
discussed
this
morning
to
ensure
that
everybody
understands
any
differentiation
across
the
law
or
across
policy
that
that's
incredibly
clear.
C
F
A
E
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Juan
for
being
here,
hello,
Sam
and
Greg
great,
to
see
you
and
thank
you
council,
president
Flynn,
for
always
being
such
a
strong
advocate
for
our
veterans,
our
veteran
yourself.
A
lot
of
the
questions
were
asked,
but
I
do
want
to
touch
on
the
difference
which
we've
had
conversations
around
about
city
of
Boston
employees
and
our
particular
city
council
staff,
which
have
different
rules
because
I
had
a
personal
experience
where
one
of
my
staffers
and
his
you
know.
J
But
I'll
just
speak
here
on
the
record
that
you
know
each
Consul
staff
gets
the
same
amount
of
staff
allocation,
District,
counselors
and
at
large
we
get
the
same
amount.
So
we
can
hire
a
certain
number.
It's
not
that
big,
but
a
small
number
of
staff
and
I
have
a
staff
member
who
is
in
the
Air
Force
Reserves
and
last
summer
was
in
training
and
with
covid
was
pulled
out
and
was
in
training
for
six
months.
I
did
talk
to
City
Hall
legal,
but
what
was
different.
J
He
had
formally
worked
at
the
state
house
and
in
that
situation,
when
he
had
to
leave
for
training
or
for
weekends
away,
they
were
able
to
put
someone
in
his
place.
So
in
my
situation,
I
obviously
didn't
want
to
not
pay
him
when
he
was
away.
But
it's
something
that
was
coming
out
of
my
personal
staff
allocation.
J
It
wasn't
the
city
who
was
stepping
up,
so
I
went
without
a
staffer,
so
something
I
think
we
do
have
to
consider,
because
we
did
bring
up
on
the
council
also
looking
at
maternity
leave
or
sick
leave
for
our
Central
staff
and
just
wanted
to
uplift.
That
too,
that
it
had
not
happened
before,
where
a
city
councilor
had
a
veteran
in
their
staff.
J
J
J
K
I
just
want
to
thank
Alex
Lawrence
for
being
here
and
for
the
commitment
to
make
sure
that
those
that
serve
our
city
and
also
serve
our
country
are
like.
You
know
that
we
are
protecting
them
sort
of
in
together,
and
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
that
there
would
be
a
lot
of
city
workers
who
would
also
serve
our
country
because
we
have.
We
have
a
lot
of
great
people
here
that,
like
everything
they
do
is
about
service
at
the
city
of
Boston.
So
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
K
Of
this
would
be
a
huge
issue,
I'm
still
getting
to
know
about
it.
So
just
wanted
to
be
here
and
listen
as
long
as
I
could
before
I'm
headed
to
my
next
thing
and
I
just
want
to
thank
obviously
Sam
Dylan
and
for
being
here
and
sort
of
what
you
know
and
getting
to
know
sort
of
more
about
this
issue.
Thank
you,
council,
president
Flynn.
For
raising
it,
and
thanks
to
the
chair
of
Ricardo
Arroyo
for
convening
this,
thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Durkin,
so
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
my
end,
because
I'm
hearing
that
there
were
what
sounds
like
positive
conversations,
but
what's
not
entirely
clear
to
me,
is
what
the
difference
is
between
what
we're
already
doing
that's
mandated
by
law
and
then
what
this
home
rule
petition
is
seeking
to
have
done.
Is
there
any
part
of
what
this
honorable
petition
is
trying
to
seek
to
have
done?
That
is
separate,
and
apart
from
what
we
are
already
doing,.
G
G
G
But
with
that
said,
what
we
have
is
an
uniform
application,
how
the
policy
is
translated
down
to
servicemen
and
again
I.
Go
back
to
the
example,
where
I
have
two
two
men
on
the
same
exercise:
getting
paid
differently
in
both
city
employees,
so
I
think
having
a
more
streamlined
and
uniform
application
of
our
policy,
but
also
tightening
up
some
some
music
some
loose
ends
at
all.
At
the
at
the
city
level.
The
policy
looks
tight
at
the
user
level.
Soldier
level
is
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
gaps.
G
You
know
that's
what
you
get
into
the
different
city
departments,
who's
running
their
payroll
and
they're,
interpreting
it
differently.
So
we
so
that
so
that's
kind
of
just
to
tighten
it
up
so
that
it's
it's
uniformly
applicated
and-
and
it
doesn't,
you
know,
discriminate
against
one
soldier
or
another
because
it
you
know,
someone
brought
up
the
reserves
versus
the
National
Guard.
Okay,
that
just
has
to
do
with
what
occupational
field
that
you're
in
there's
no
infantry,
for
example,
in
the
reserves
that
would
be
in
the
National
yeah.
G
So,
but
if
you're
in
a
you
know
if
you're
in
the
Airborne
infantry
well,
that
would
be
a
state
of
Rhode
Island
Massachusetts.
Out
of
that,
so
you
know,
like
you
know
you
just
look.
You
have
to
look
at
it
as
40
days
at
full
rate
for
any
service
member
every
year
that
differential
paid
after
that,
and
it
can't
get
any
simpler
than
that.
It's
you
know
it.
So
it's
just
the
uniformity
which
policy
is
applied.
It's
where
the
a
lot
of
the
gaps.
D
G
Trying
to
tell
her
you're
not
telling
me
I'm
telling
you
what
the
person
is
saying
and-
and
you
know
so-
that
that's
kind
of
the
the
situation
that
we're
running
into
so
so
I
think
a
tighter,
more
streamlined,
simplified
Matrix
that
all
this
apartment,
payroll
personnel
look
at.
You
know
make
right
and,
like
I
said,
we
had
a
great
conversation
warning
about
that.
H
Two
city
employees
in
the
same
unit
on
the
same
Mission,
going
after
the
same
objective,
are
receiving,
are
being
compensated
and
treated
differently
by
the
city,
and
we
need
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
have
a
very
specific
cut
and
dry
paid
military
lead
Matrix,
where
it
doesn't
matter
what
department
you
work
for.
It
doesn't
matter
whose
desk
your
orders
come
across.
There's
one
codified,
concrete
Matrix
that
anyone
who
handles
this
issue
can
go
on
to
a
shared
Drive,
pull
it
up
and
and
just
plug
and
play.
H
These
are
the
type
of
orders
that
they're
on
this
is
the
amount
of
time
that
they've
been
away
or
they're
projected
to
be
away,
and
one
thing
we'd
like
to
pursue
is
even
on
the
military,
Mission
and
pre-deployment
Readiness
is
essential
to
everything
that
the
military
does
and
I
think
we
need
to
incorporate
that
into
the
city
of
Boston.
You
know
we're
very
big
on
planning
where,
let's
start
to
anticipate
and
be
proactive,
we
have
military
members
who
are
going
to
be
deployed
who
are
going
to
be
actively.
H
Let's
build
that
into
this
policy,
and
let's
build
that
into
the
system.
City
of
Boston
employee
gets
notice
of
orders
that
they're
being
activated,
they
can
take
that
to
their
agile
department
and
it's
already
locked
down
before
they
even
deploy
or
they're
even
asking
these
type
of
orders
for
this
period
of
time.
This
is
the
rate
and
duration
at
which
it
will
be
held.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for,
for
that,
I
want
to
give
the
administration
a
chance
just
to
I,
don't
know
if
it
was.
You
must
be
if
you
were
the
one
who
was
part
of
those
conversations
today
or
if
it
was
Miss
Lawrence,
but
either
way,
if
you,
if
you
have
sort
of
response
to
to
any
of
that,
I'd
like
to
give
you
a
chance
to
to
speak
on
that.
I
I
was
going
to
say,
sam
that
Sam
Dylan
always
make
trying
to
get
a
better
deal.
We
didn't
talk
about
the
pre-activation,
but
yeah.
That's
Sam,
Dylan,
so
yeah
I
mean
I.
Think
as
we
explained
we're
complying.
We
were
complying
with
the
statute
and
then
to
us.
Like
I,
think
Greg
said
it
looks
tight
from
the
statute.
It
looks
tight
from
our
policy
follows
that
and
the
statute
creates
these
different
levels
of
depending
on
deployment.
I
You
get
different
benefits,
so
looks
I
mean
to
us
we're
like
well,
what's
the
issue
and
when
he
explains
different
service
members
are
being
called
and
they're
doing
the
same
thing.
Why
are
they
getting
different
benefits?
Can
we
streamline
that
and
clarify
it?
I
think
we
were
on
board
with
definitely
working
on
that
part
of
the
policy,
so
I
mean
I.
I
Think
that
was
a
good
possible
solution
to
this
issue,
so
I
think
both
in
HR
and
then
it
would
probably
be
implemented
into
different
we'd
have
to
notice
in
notice
all
the
unions
on
it
and
then
be
able
to
implement
it
with
the
employees
in
the
city
of
Boston.
I.
Think
that
could
be
a
really
good
resolution
of
this,
so
that
that
seemed
to
be
like
a
positive
outcome.
I
F
A
Don't
know
that
we
can
presume
how
many
are
likely
to
be
called
to
military
duty.
Maybe
we
can
maybe
that
I
don't
know
if
we
have
the
ability
to
say,
because
these
are
both.
If
I
understand
correctly
title
32
and
10
to
10
are
like
ones
for
natural
disasters,
the
other
ones
for
overseas
deployments.
Those
are
they're
sort
of
I
guess
a
non-emergency
basis.
They're
not
regularly
scheduled.
Is
that
accurate
title
32
and
title
10.
G
G
So
it's
really
but
again
for
the
soldier.
This
is
all
just
sausage.
Making
and
semantics
he's
good
to
learn.
Whatever
he's
told
right,
they
get
in
this
truck
driving
down
to
Cape
Town
Roger
that
you
know,
and
and
so
so
that's
just
kind
of
you
know,
some
of
that
distinction
doesn't
even
need
to
be
there
for
for
the
application
of
our
city
policy.
A
Yeah
I
think
the
I
don't
disagree
with
you
if
they're,
if
they're
doing
a
service
they're
doing
a
service
I
think
the
question
is
so.
My
understanding
is
that
those
aren't
regularly
scheduled
things
that
get
invoked
right.
They
don't
you
don't
have
that
like
on
in
May,
I'm
gonna
be
title
10
or
title
it's
it's
an
on
a
per
emergency
or
per
like
it
just
happens
right,
that's
not
planned,
but
well.
Well.
Actually
it.
G
Is
so
if
you
are
in
the
in
the
National
Guard,
you
are,
if
you
will
warehoused
under
title
32
of
us
vote,
if
you're
in
the
Federal
Reserves,
you
are
warehoused
under
title
10,
you're,
a
title:
10
crew?
Oh,
so
so
that
that's
a
continuous
Advantage.
But
then,
when
they
mobilize
them,
it
has
to
do
with
actually
funding
a
lot
of
times.
If
it's
funded
on
the
title
32,
it
would
come
down
through
the
National
Guard
Bureau,
the
funding
for
again
a
hurricane
or
a
tornado
out
west
in
Massachusetts.
G
A
Yeah,
so
so,
when
I'm
asking
more
so,
is
it
obviously
I
think
if
you
sign
up
for
service
like
this,
you
expect
to
be
called
to
duty
at
different
times.
My
question
is
more
so
when
we're
talking
about
this
policy,
are
we
talking
about
or
both
specifically
those
times
where
you
know
for
certain
this
time
frame
is
when
I
serve
this
time
frame
is
when
I
get
called
No,
Matter
What
for
training
or
whatever
it
may
be,
and
then
for
on
an
emergency
basis.
A
G
Distinction
there
there
is
a
distinction,
yes,
okay
and
and
and
what's
happening,
is
the
payroll
departments
that
they're
getting
a
set
of
orders,
that's
generated
by
the
guard
or
reserve
and
they're
trying
to
interpret
those
orders
as
to
whether
this
individual
should
be
what's
your
favorite
ought
to
be,
and
all
that
so
that's
kind
of
the
that's
the
problem,
and
then
you
have
a
person.
That's
not
been
trained
to
interpret
orders
that
you
know
doesn't
well.
This
person's
orders,
for
example,
might
say
active
duty
for
operational.
G
That's
just
the
funding
method,
yep,
it's
where
they
got
the
money
to
pay
that
guy
to
go
to
training
this
year,
because
we
already
used
his
annual
training
funding
on,
for
example.
Maybe
he
went
to
his
sergeants
now
he's
a
sergeant,
so
we
use
the
annual
training
funding
to
pay
for
him
to
go
to
his
professional
development,
so
he
could
be
promoted
and
now
that
he's
back
as
a
sergeant
now
we
have
to
send
him
to
the
unit
Level
Training,
where
he's
going
to
teach
everybody.
G
So
so,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
Demand
on
to
to
maintain
these
skills.
There's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
training
requirements
and,
and
especially
when
you
think
about
some
of
our
specialized
units
and
helicopter
pilots
and
things
like
that.
They
that
and
fighter
pilots
they're
getting
called
away
a
lot
to
do
these
kind
of
Maintenance
of
skills
that
are
required
in
order
to
fly
that
airplane
for
and
and
so
so,
there's
a
lot
of
training
that
goes
into
this.
A
Yeah.
Thank
you
this.
This
is
actually
very
helpful
for
me
just
to
understand
as
someone
who
has
not
been
in
the
military
sort
of
the
differences
between
what
you're
getting
called
for
what
what
the,
how
it
gets
funded
and
how
that
comes
down
from
APR
standpoint.
So
that's
very
helpful
for
me
personally.
So
thank
you.
A
B
C
You
Mr
chair
I,
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
Local
718
Mass
fallen
heroes
for
the
advocacy
on
this
important
issue.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
Greg
Kelly,
Sam
Dylan
and
many
from
the
Boston
fire
department
as
well.
I
also
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
administration
team
for
being
willing
to
listen
and
work
and
help
resolve
Personnel
related
issues
that
are
that
are
very
important
and
that's
what
this
city
is
all
about
is
working
together
to
resolve
problems,
so
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
this
good
working
relationship.
A
You
very
much
Council.
Thank
you.
I
want
to
thank
our
panel
I
want
to
thank
Local,
71,
718
and
Mr
Kelly
in
particular,
and
thank
you
to
the
original
sponsor
my
counselors
for
being
my
Council
colleagues
for
being
here.
I
want
to
give
Mr
Cunningham
Christopher
Cunningham
the
floor
you're
here
for
public
comment.
So
the
floor
is
yours.
We
put
a
three
minute
timer
on
this,
but
I'm
not
going
to
stop
you
at
exactly
three
minutes.
L
You
know
I
I,
appreciate
that,
hopefully
you
can
hear
me:
okay,
yep
you're,
coming
in
very
clear,
all
right,
excellent,
listen,
I,
I,
appreciate
the
the
committee
taking
up
this
very
important
matter
today.
My
name
is
Chris
Cunningham
I'm,
a
member
of
Local
718
with
Greg
and
Sam
and
I'm
a
resident
of
the
city
of
Boston
and
and
so
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
the
committee
is
doing
here
on
this
important
topic.
L
L
So
it's
a
totally
different
bucket
of
money
than
those
other
ones
and
and
chapter
33,
section
59
lays
those
out
I
think
pretty
clearly,
but
one
thing
I
think
the
link
that
we're
we're
missing.
When
we
talk
about
what
the
city's
current
policy
is
and
what
I
think
Greg
so
so
clearly
articulated
what
we
want
that.
L
There's
a
clause
in
there
that
talks
to
during
service
in
the
Uniformed
Services
and
then
it
says,
comma,
annual
training,
Etc
parades
and
drills,
and
our
policy
right
now
only
speaks
to
employing
the
40
days
under
parades
and
drills
and
annual
training.
And
it
doesn't
talk
to
the
point
about
service
in
the
uniform
services,
which
is
the
Clause
really
that
gets
to
what
Greg's
talking
about
I.
L
Think
where
no
matter
what
status
you're
in
no
matter
who's,
paying
you,
you
should
be
able
to
use
those
40
days
and
then,
after
exhausting
those,
you
would
revert
into
a
differential
pay
status
so
again
and
and
just
a
little
further
background.
This
language
in
Mass,
General
law
was
adopted
in
2018
and-
and
you
know,
myself
and
others
have
been-
have
been
navigating
this
understanding.
What
this
all?
L
You
know
we
saw
a
good
amount
of
discrepancies
during
that
time
frame,
and
maybe
the
city
has
you
know
you
know
more
accurately.
You
know
implemented
that,
but
the
current
city
policy
to
what
Mass
General
law
currently
looks
like
the
link,
the
language
that
I
believe,
gets
us
to
what
Greg
is
talking
about,
meaning
using
40
Days,
for
regardless
of
the
status
you're
in
is
the
service
in
the
uniform
services
and
that's
in
paragraph
a
chapter,
33,
section
59..
L
So
again,
I
I
appreciate
the
committee's
time.
For
this
like
I,
said:
I
had
some
prepared
comments
here,
but
I
I
think
everyone
is
is
right
on
it
and
and
I
appreciate
it
and
if
there's
anything
further,
I
could
do
to
help
the
team
I'm
happy
to
to
do
that,
but
again
and
I'll
pause.
If
there's
any
questions,
thank.
G
G
Ever
they
put
parades
in
there
to
say
something,
even
as
stupid,
silly
and
absurd
as
a
parade
is
going
to
be
included
under
this
okay,
so
the
intent
was
and
I
think
Chris
just
nailed
it,
because
it's
already
written
in
there
for
us
as
service
in
the
uniform
services
again
omitted
is
such
as
annual
training
parades
and
drills
Okay.
So
I
I,
just
I,
I
applaud
him
for
that,
because
that
is
a
good
catch
there.