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From YouTube: Government Operations on September 18, 2023 (1:58)
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Government Operations Hearing- Docket #0455- Ordinance amending the City of Boston code relating to the study and report on the trafficking of illegal firearms.
A
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A
This
proposal
would
amend
the
city
of
Boston
code
of
ordinances
by
adding
a
new
section
that
would
require
the
Boston
Police
Department
to
annually
study
and
create
a
report
on
the
trafficking
of
illegal
Firearms
into
the
city
of
Boston.
The
study
and
Report
would
review
data
on
the
flow
of
firearms
and
review
of
ways
that
legal
that
illegal
Firearms
are
transported
into
to
the
city
in
order
to
help
law
enforcement
and
policy
makers
to
determine
action
to
decrease
and
end
the
flow
of
illegal
Firearms.
A
The
ordinance
requires
the
Boston
Police
Department
to
coordinate
with
other
law
enforcement
and
other
Municipal
entities
and
submit
the
report
to
the
city
council.
The
ordinance
identify
certain
information
to
be
collected
and
included
in
the
report
and
also
includes
provisions
on
limitations
of
disclosure
to
protect
the
public
and
police
officers.
A
This
morning,
I'm
joined
by
my
colleagues
councelor
at
large
Julia
Mahia
council
president
Ed
Flynn
councelor
at
large
Michael
flarity
councelor
at
large
Ruth
C,
Lou,
Jen
and
counselor
Brian
warell
I'll
now
allow
the
lead
sponsors
of
the
docket
to
provide
opening
remarks
and
then
I'll
go
to
my
colleagues
in
order
arrival.
Let's
begin
with
council
president
Ed.
B
B
B
Gun
trafficking
in
illegal
flow
of
firearms
is
a
major
contributor,
obviously
to
gun
violence
and
past
data
have
shown
that
the
vast
majority
of
the
Firearms
recovered
at
crime
scenes
are
from
out
of
state
in
2021
of
the
Firearms
recovered
at
crime,
scenes
that
were
traced
using
the
national
integrated
ballistic
Information
Network
only
10%
were
purchased
in
Massachusetts,
while
the
rest
were
brought
into
Massachusetts
from
18.
Other
states.
B
I
know
that
the
Boston
place
and
area
law
enforcement
agencies
have
partnered
partnered
together
last
year
in
a
program
called
Boston
firearm
intelligence
review,
shooting
and
trafficking
to
focus
on
this
issue
of
illegal
gun
trafficking
and
to
investigate,
identify
and
prosecute
gun
trafficking.
That's
exactly
what
I
hoped
that
we
would
do
in
the
this
is
something
that
I've
been
advocating
for
several
years.
So
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
Boston
police
for
implementing
that.
B
Having
comprehensive
study
and
review
of
the
flow
of
firearms
into
the
city
of
Boston
would
help
law
enforcement
and
policy
makers
better
understand
the
impact
of
illegal
gun
trafficking
and
help
us
develop
strategies
on
gun,
violence
prevention.
This
ordinance
would
require
an
annual
report
on
the
fall
of
firearms
into
the
City,
and
data
would
include
information
is
where
the
firearm
came
from,
including
where
it
was
sold.
Manufactured
imported
assembled.
B
B
C
Thank
you
chair
and
also
want
to
give
my
thoughts
and
prayers
to
those
who
are
affected.
Last
night
from
Community
violence
to
domestic
violence,
to
violence
against
oneself
guns
remain
a
particular
particular
dangerous
weapon
of
choice.
While
Boston
and
New
England
have
moved
to
protect
our
citizens,
our
efforts
are
undermined
by
the
actions
of
others.
Today,
75%
of
guns
used
to
commit
crimes
were
not
originally
P
purchased.
C
Here
many
of
them
come
from
as
far
as
Georgia
and
Florida,
where
easy
access
fuels
violence
many
states
away,
particularly
in
District
4
with
just
last
night.
Five
people,
including
two
children,
were
shot.
We
know
what
causes
this
underinvestment
in
schools
and
jobs
and
transportation,
a
lack
of
access
to
physical
Mental,
Health,
Services
and
open
access
to
Firearms.
We
cannot
address
this
until
we
have
better
understanding
of
the
problem.
Our
generation
of
intentional
policy
and
defending
choices
have
left
us
with
minimal
data.
C
C
If
it
was
used
in
a
crime
and
how
it
was
brought
in
and
also
if
there's
a
way
to
track
the
data
on
the
modifiers,
for
example,
the
switches,
this
data
is
critical
for
policy
makers
and
law
enforcement
to
do
their
jobs
and
keep
our
community
safe,
and
we
cannot
continue
to
sit
idly
by
while
communities
are
repeat
repeatedly
traumatized
by
violence
merely
because
as
the
weapon
was
purchased
beyond
our
jurisdiction.
I
want
to
thank
thank
council
president
Flynn
for
your
leadership
on
this
I.
C
A
D
D
Having
grown
up
here
in
the
city
of
Boston,
during
the
height
of
the
crack
epidemic
and
the
violence
I
was
experiencing
here
in
the
city
of
Boston,
I
always
get
the
question:
where
did
the
gun
come
from
and
I
think
that
this
particular
ordinance
and
this
initiative
will
give
us
the
opportunity
to
really
help
families
see
that
we
are
doing
our
dual
diligence
to
support
a
process
in
which
we
are
able
to
identify?
Where
did
the
gun
come
from?
D
So
I
just
want
to
thank
my
my
colleagues
for
bringing
this
to
the
space
and
also
to
just
reaffirm
our
office
and
our
support
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
we're
all
working
collectively
to
address
the
issues
of
violence
here
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
I
also
want
to
recognize
that
I
have
a
few
constituents
that
lived
in
that
still
do
live
in
the
neighborhood
from
last
night's
shooting
and
having
spoken
to
them.
You
know.
D
One
thing
is,
even
though
they
were
not
the
victims,
they
are
still
very
much
feeling
the
impact
so
I
think
to
Cel
rell's
point
in
terms
of
trauma
and
the
response.
I
think
that
this
conversation
needs
to
also
extend
to
the
outside
of
just
the
reinforcement
and
the
data
collection,
but
I
would
love
to
see
some
data
collection
around
trauma
response
in
these
communities,
because
that's
also
part
of
the
conversation
not
for
this
ordinance.
But
at
some
point
thank
you.
Mr.
E
We
need
to
give
you
the
tools,
the
resources,
the
support,
that's
grant
funding,
that's
recognizing
the
great
work
that
you're
doing
that's
recognizing
the
number
of
illegal
firearms
that
you've
taken
off
the
streets.
It's
a
partnership
so
again
hoping
we're
turning
the
corner
here.
We've
got
this
very
important
hearing
that
I'm
happy
to
be
here
and
participating
in
we're
going
to
have
another
refiled
support
of
four
grants
that
this
body
has
not
supported
for
Brick
again
giving
you
the
resources
and
the
tools
that
you
need.
E
So
looking
forward
to
hearing
from
you
hearing
about
the
great
work
that
you're
doing
and
please
don't
be,
bashful
ask
this
Council,
you
know
and
let
us
know
what
you
need
and
how
we
could
be
supportive
of
you
how
we
could
Foster
that
partnership,
how
we
continue
to
make
our
city
our
streets,
our
neighborhoods,
the
safest,
City,
our
size
or
even
bigger
in
the
country
cities
across
this
across
the
country
are
upside
down
Boston's.
Not
one
of
them.
Are
we
perfect?
E
F
F
We
understand
that
the
root
causes
of
gun
violence
are
really
complex,
with
social,
economic
and
systemic
factors,
contributing
to
its
persistence,
there's
no
single
solution
and
we're
required
to
persevere
towards
a
path
of
peace
and
imagining
what
it
could
be
like
to
have
a
City
without
gun
violence.
It
also
means
that
we
have
to
invest
in
initiatives
that
Empower
young
people
create
Economic,
Opportunity
and
strengthen
the
bonds
within
our
communities
and
speak
out
against
violence
at
every
opportunity.
F
Engag
in
community
initiative
and
Mentor
are
you
to
help
them
build
brighter
Futures
and
when
I
talk
about
gun
violence,
it's
gun
violence
in
all
of
its
forms.
When
we
see
it
either
Street
violence
or
domestic
violence
or
state
use
of
violence
that
we
do
it
and
we
address
it
and
that
we
call
it
out.
I
also
believe
that
one
of
the
difficulties
in
addressing
this
issue
is
the
outsize
role
of
the
gun
lobby
in
our
country,
even
when
we
have
strong
gun
laws
here
in
the
Commonwealth.
F
The
fact
that
there's
trafficking
that
happens
from
States
and
areas
that
have
weaker
gun
laws-
and
this
is
an
issue
that
we
are
facing
Nationwide,
and
so
we
have
to
also
acknowledge
the
complexity
in
dealing
with
this
issue,
but
really
gun
violence.
The
moment
that
a
person
chooses
to
use
a
gun
to
solve
their
problems.
We
are
really
in
for
for
disaster,
and
it's
on
us
to
really
think
about
how
we
help
people
find
alternative
ways
to
resolve
disputes
by
fostering
dialogue,
empathy
and
understanding.
F
Here
today
we
can
start
a
conversation
about
creating
a
safer
and
more
resilient
City.
I
also
think
it's
important
for
us
to
think
about,
while
this
ordinance
is
about
collecting
data.
I
think
that
there
are
other
institutions
in
our
city
that
have
really
good
data.
That
could
be
really
helpful
to
us
really
intervening
in
the
problem
of
gun
violence
like
the
violence,
intervention,
advocacy
program
at
BMC
and
the
Boston
Public
Health.
Commission.
F
That's
beginning
to
really
study
the
issue
of
gun
violence,
so
I
want
us
to
make
sure
that
we're
using
all
of
our
institutions
that
are
working
on
this
issue
to
help
us
track
the
data
and
see
how
we
can
do
better
at
intervention
and
stopping
the
gun,
violence
that
plagues
our
communities.
Many
communities
where
I
U
you
know,
grew
up
in.
So
thank
you
to
the
makers
and
the
chair
and
I
look
forward
to
the
discussion.
G
Thank
you
Mr
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
lead
sponsors
for
bringing
this
forward
and
also
my
condolences
to
the
the
folks
who
were
impacted
by
the
the
shootings
last
night.
The
trauma
the
tragedy
of
all
of
this
is
that
repeated
exposure
to
violence
and
nonviolence
desensitizes,
folks
to
just
the
the
horrendous
impact
of
of
these
incidents.
G
I
grew
up
in
Northern
Ireland.
So
I
I
find
that
if
you
just
hear
in
the
news
all
the
time
or
you're
in
experienced
situations
where
you're
you're
exposed
to
gun
violence
or
bombings,
or
whatever,
day
and
day
out
that
you
become
totally
desensitized
to
it
and
it
becomes
a
new
normal
and
the
level
at
which
you
recoil
in
horror
from
something
is:
is
it's
elevated?
G
I
agree.
You
know
our
national
leadership
at
the
national
level
and
done
Lobby
is
outrageously
influential
in
this
situation
and
I
I.
You
know
when,
when
I
see,
he
of
incidents
of
of
of
mass
shootings
are
the
sort
of
the
ones
that
draw
our
attention,
but
we
all
know
that
every
day
in
day,
in
and
day
out,
there's
there's
shootings
in
our
neighborhoods
and
those
folks
have
loved
ones,
their
F
great
L,
the
family,
but
we
don't.
G
They
don't
always
get
the
same
attention
as
the
as
the
big
U
mass
shootings,
but
it's
nonetheless
important
to
really
get
dig
in
and
address
this
issue,
so
I
I
want
to
be
supportive
and
be
if
any
help
I
can
in
trying
to
to
change
this
scenario,
so
a
more
hopeful
future
for
for
our
young
people
and
our
our
communities
across
the
city.
Thank
you.
H
Keta
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
to
the
makers.
My
heart
also
goes
out
to
those
who
experienced
the
the
traumatic
incidents
of
last
night
and
and
any
time
before
this
summer.
This
past
year,
but
I
am
I,
am
pleased
to
be
here
in
Partnership
to
sew
the
seeds
of
collaboration
with
our
Public
Safety
officials
to
solve
complex
issues
such
as
gun,
violence.
H
I
think
you
know,
one
life
is,
is
too
many
and
far
too
many
have
suffered
at
the
hands
of
Senseless
violence
district,
one
in
Charlestown
we've
seen
we
saw
an
uptick
two
years
ago
and
and
luckily,
thanks
to
the
great
work
of
deep
partnership
in
community
we've,
seen
less
frequent
incidents.
So
I
do
I,
am
here
to
support
my
colleagues
and
stand
in
solidarity
with
you
all
and
I'm
here,
just
to
learn
more
about
how
this
will
make
our
city
safer.
H
A
Thank
you,
councelor
Keta
I,
believe
that
is
all
of
my
my
colleagues
at
this
time
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
introduce
our
panel.
We
are
joined
today
by
superintendent
Felipe,
cologne
from
the
Boston
Police
Department,
chief
of
the
Bureau
of
the
investigative
services,
or
rather
chief
of
the
Bureau
of
Investigative
Services
and
Ryan
Walsh.
The
deputy
director
director
of
the
Boston
Regional
Intelligence
Center
the
floor
is
yours.
If
you
have
a
you,
have
an
opening
or
you'd
like
to
say
anything
and
then
we'll
open
up
to.
I
Questions
yes,
thank
you
counselor
and
I
just
want
to
also
introduce
superintendent
Lewis
Cruz
of
the
Boston
Regional
intelligence.
Center
he's
off
to
my
left
here.
So
I
would
like
to
start
by
thanking
council
president
Flynn
for
highlighting
this
very
important
issue
in
our
city.
Firearms
and
Firearm
violence
are
some
of
the
most
pervasive
public
safety
issues
we
face
as
a
department
on
a
daily
basis.
Over
the
past
several
years,
we
have
been
having
success
in
decreasing
the
overall
number
of
shooting
victims
and
incidents
occurring
in
the
city.
I
According
to
the
data
compiled
by
the
Boston
Regional
Intelligence
Center
89
shooting
incidents
occurred
in
the
city
this
year,
a
decrease
of
19
or
18%.
Compared
to
this
time
in
2022,
there
have
been
11
fewer
shooting
victims
wounded
this
year
in
the
city,
which
is
8%
reduction
compared
to
last
year
and
a
20%
decrease
compared
to
the
5year
average.
Looking
at
a
full
Year's
Trends
181
victims
were
shot
in
2022,
which
is
the
lowest
yearly
victim
total,
since
at
least
2005,
when
the
brick
when
the
bricks
analytic
tracking
began.
I
I
695
of
these
were
characterized
as
crime
guns,
9%
more
than
were
recovered
the
prior
year
crime
gun
recoveries
have
been
increasing
annually
each
year,
at
least
since,
since
at
least
2019,
with
nearly
25%
more
crime
guns
recovered
in
2022
compared
to
threee
Prior.
In
regards
to
where
the
Firearms
are
coming
from.
In
20122,
approximately
10%
of
the
crime
guns
recovered
by
BPD
were
reported.
Stolen
of
those
reported
stolen
33%
were
reported,
stolen
from
Massachusetts
18%
from
Maine
and
11%
from
Georgia
to
date.
In
2023,
602
Firearms
have
been
recovered
in
the
city.
I
415
of
those
Firearms
are
considered
to
be
crime
guns
du
sign
to
significant
firearm
trends
of
major
concerns
to
the
department
recovery
of
privately
manufactured
firearm,
also
known
as
ghost
gun
have
been
increasing
in
recent
years.
So
far
this
year
we've
recovered
59
of
these
firearms.
In
2022
we
recovered
104
of
these
Firearms,
which
represented
a
79%
increase
compared
to
2021.
I
To
put
these
numbers
into
context
in
2019,
we
recovered
just
16
of
these
type
of
firearms,
while
these
Firearms
continue
to
make
up
a
small
percentage
of
overall
firearm
recoveries,
estimated
to
be
about
15%
of
total
recoveries
in
202
22.
The
presence
of
this
type
of
firearm
on
our
streets
presents
a
unique
challenges
to
investigators
and
puts
the
community
at
additional
risk.
We
also
remain
extremely
concerned
with
afterm
aftermarket
modifications
made
to
firearms
in
order
to
enable
them
to
fire
in
a
fully
automatic
fashion.
I
Those
are
the
switches
that
someone
councilman
Warren
War,
referred
to
earlier:
recoveries
of
the
Firearms
recovery
of
firearms,
with
these
modifications
having
increased
in
recent
years
with
13
recovered
so
far
in
the
city
this
year.
The
department
certainly
supports
the
spirit
of
this
ordinance
and
looks
forward
to
sharing
additional
data
with
the
counil
and
the
public
to
both
highlight
the
ongoing
issues
legal
firearms
present
in
our
community
and
to
draw
further
attention
to
good
work.
Our
officers
do
on
a
daily
basis
to
get
illegal
guns
off
our
streets.
I
The
Department's
effort
to
combat
illegal
Firearms
starts
with
data
the
civilian
analyst
in
the
Boston
Regional
Intelligence,
Center,
otherwise
known
as
the
brick
work
tirelessly
to
compile
and
interpret
the
data
associated
with
the
firearms
that
are
seized
from
the
streets
of
Boston.
Despite
Staffing
and
funding
shortages,
the
brick,
the
firearm
analysis
unit
and
other
BPD
units
produced
eight
new
public
dashboards
in
the
last
three
years,
including
a
Firearms
recovery,
dashboard,
shooting
dashboard
and
a
shots
fire
dashboard
that
are
currently
a
available
on
the
department's
website.
I
A
Conversation,
thank
you
very
much
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
go
the
two
co-sponsors
first
and
then
we'll
go
in
order
of
arrival
for
questions
to
try
and
make
this
sort
of
work,
because
we
have
a
bunch
of
counselors
here,
I'm
going
to
limit
it
to
5
minutes
or
thereabout.
I'll,
give
folks
a
little
bit
of
Grace
on
that
and
then
we'll
do
a
second
round
and
a
third
round
as
necessary,
I'm
going
to
begin
with
counselor.
B
B
Let
me.
Let
me
let
me
start
with
the
the
gun,
the
gun
trafficking
coming
coming
into,
Boston,
we're
documenting
and,
and-
and
you
mentioned
you-
you
probably
picked
up
almost
900
last
year-
illegal
firearms
in
the
city.
How
do
you,
how
do
you
document
that
firearm
into
the
into
a
particular
system?
What
what
information
are
you
putting
into
the
system?
And
what
are
you
looking
for
when
you,
when
you
document
that
you
recovered
a
firearm.
J
J
We've
been
working
Additionally
the
gun
makes
it
up
to
our
Firearms
analysis
unit
through
the
crime
lab
and
they
document
U
more
of
the
characteristics
of
the
gun,
the
serial
number
the
make
the
model,
any
modifications
that
may
have
been
made
to
the
firearm,
whether
it
had
a
sear
switch
or
something
like
that
attached.
If
it
has
an
extended
magazine
bunch
of
different
factors
like
that
get
tracked
as
well.
J
The
gun
has
entered
into
our
evidence
management
system
we've
been
working
over
the
past
two
years
and
a
collaboration
between
the
brick
and
the
Firearms
analysis
unit
to
sort
of
improve
the
data
flow
for
that
information,
and
so
we
now
have
the
ability
to
sort
of
more
readily
query
that
data
and
provide
some
of
the
numbers
that
we
provided
today.
Firearm
also
gets
checked
through
some
ATF
systems
at
the
federal
level,
and
then
we
are
able
to
sort
of
glean
some
more.
J
B
If,
as
a
pro
as
a
suffix,
Superior,
Court,
probation
officer,
I,
I
work
with
the
DA's
office
and
obviously
the
the
Boston
police
reading
a
lot
of
reading
a
lot
of
these
reports,
but
when,
when
the
serial
number
is,
is
scraped
off
the
gun
by
whoever?
Does
that
mean
that
a
lot
of
that
information
can't
be
do
documented
properly?
If
there
is
a
serial
number,
that's
kind
of
scraped
off.
J
It
depends
our
crime
lab
has
several
different
techniques
that
they
can
use
to
try
to
resurrect
the
serial
number
that's
been
attempted
to
be
defaced
or
removed
from
the
firearm.
We
have
some
success
with
that.
I
wouldn't
want
to
give
a
number
to
it,
but
certainly
if
the
gun,
if
the
serial
numbers
are
completely
removed,
that
does
limit
you
know
how
much
tracking
and
we're
able
to
do.
This
is
a
particular
problem
with
3D
printed
guns,
or
you
know
the
private,
the
manufactured
firearms
that
we
talked
about.
B
J
So
we've
recovered
relatively
few
completely
3D
printed
guns
in
the
city,
probably
less
than
five
or
10
over
the
last
couple
years.
So
it's
a
it's
a
relatively
small
problem
where
the
3D
printer
is
being
used
like
to
entirely
make
the
firearm
that's
more
difficult
process.
We
are
definitely
concerned
about
that
and
the
use
of
3D
printers
in
being
able
to
increase
the
velocity
of
manufacturer
of
other
privately
manufactured
Firearms.
B
Are
we
are
we
taking
Firearms
off
the
street
that
that
are,
you
know,
certainly
certainly
handguns
certainly
pistols,
but
are
we
taking
Firearms
off
the
street
that
have
more
explosive
power
that
we
haven't
seen
in
years,
meaning
they're
particularly
dangerous
to
residents
to
to
Public
Safety
professionals,
law
enforcement,
Boston
police,
responders,
First
Responders,
but
something
that
the
Boston
police
really
is
almost
overwhelmed?
If
they
see
a
certain
type
of
firearm
are
we
are
we
seeing
any
situations
like
that.
I
Well,
clearly,
with
the
switches
that
that
that
that's
a
problem
and
that
again
those
those
enable
a
firearm
to
to
f
to
fire
in
a
fully
automatic
capacity.
So
that
is
a
problem,
but
we
have
seen
investigations
and
I
can't
give
you
a
number
right
now,
where
we've
seen
some
high
powerered
rifles.
Some
high
powered
Firearms
have
been
recovered.
I
Yes,
but
I
I
will
I
will
say,
there's
some
tremendous
work
going
on
by
the
investigators,
not
only
the
the
folks
that
we've
supplemented
to
the
ATF,
but
as
well
as
from
our
youth
violence,
Strike
Force,
our
drug
control
units
and
we're
recovering
some
of
these
3D
materials
and
and
some
of
the
investigations.
But
I
will
say
again.
We
have
grown
our
relationship.
Our
partnership
with
the
ATF
and
and
I
want
to
go
back
to
what
counselor
flarity
said
absolutely
unequivocally.
I
J
I
would
say:
councelor
F
when
you
look
at
the
like
average
number
of
rounds
recovered
in
a
shots
fired
incident
in
the
city.
It
has
increased
over
the
past
couple
years,
I
think
in
2022
we
were
at
the
average
incident
being
close
to
10
Rounds
fired
in
a
shots
fired
incident
in
the
city,
which
is
which
is
much
higher
than
we
had
experienced.
You
know
five
or
10
years
ago.
B
Thank
thank
you,
Ryan
and,
and
to
the
superintendent,
I
guess
my
last.
My
last
question
and
and
I'll
give
my
colleagues
an
opportunity
what
what
happens
in
Boston
impacts
quiny
and
what
happens
in
quinsey
impacts,
Boston
and
Everett,
and
in
sumerville
and
and
Cambridge
or
Arlington
any
of
these
any
of
these
communities
on
the
border
of
Boston
really
Chelsea
How.
Would
how
would
this
implementation
improve?
Public
Safety
for
our
neighbors
I
know
it's
important
that
we
work
together,
providing
support
to
our
neighbors,
but
does
this
also
benefit?
B
J
Yes,
some
several
of
those
communities
that
you
mentioned
Council
are
part
of
the
urban
security
initiative
region,
the
the
sort
of
Metro
Boston
Homeland
Security
region
that
the
brick
covers.
So
we
work
with
them
on
a
daily
basis,
really
on
a
bunch
of
different
types
of
crime,
but
obviously
firearm
violence
that
they're
experiencing
trying
to
paint
a
broader
picture,
not
just
in
the
city
but
obviously
a
broader
picture.
J
And
additionally,
we
share
a
lot
of
information
with
the
state
police
and
receive
information
from
them
on
trends
that
they're,
seeing
in
Springfield
and
Worcester,
and
you
know
little
other
cities
in
the
in
the
in
the
state
U
that
helps
to
inform
our.
You
know,
deployment
and
our
sort
of
intelligence
background
as.
B
Is
there
anything
that
poses
a
challenge
for
you
that
you
would
not
support
or
or
that
you
would
want
to
work
closely
with
us
on
or
is
there
anything
that
you
know
shouldn't
be
in
there
I
know
I
know
the
Chia
will
certainly
review
that
information
as
well,
but
I
I
just
want
to
see
ask
if
is.
Is
there
any
challenge
that
you
have
to
anything
in
that
in
in
in
our
document.
I
But
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
we
we
support
the
ordinance.
There
are
some
as
I
look
at
section
two
in
bullet
point:
one
I.
There
are
several
because
of
our
partnership
with
the
federal
government
and
some
of
our
federal
Partners
there's
certain
things
that
we
are
we're
going
to
be
restricted
in
sharing
and
two
that
come
to
point
to
mind.
Right
now
is
one
B
was
where
the
firearm
put
these
glasses
on,
because
I
can't
see
where
the
firearm
originated,
including
where
it
was
first
sold
manufactured,
imported
or
assembled
again.
I
We
may
be
restricted
in
sharing
that,
but
that
that
is
being
tracked
and
at
at
the
federal
level
and
the
second
one
would
be
H
the
deal
of
such
firearm
and
whether
the
dealer
was
licensed
and
whether
the
dealer
was
licensed.
That
is,
that
could
be
a
challenge
as
well
as
paragraph
two,
a
review
of
the
ways
the
Firearms
are
illegally
transported
in
the
city,
I
I'm,
not
sure,
if
we'll
be
able
to.
I
C
Thank
you
chair
and
just
want
to
thank
our
our
officers
for
all
their
hard
work
and
their
dedication
to
the
city
of
Boston,
around
ghost
guns
and
the
modifiers.
What
information
can
we
pull
from
a
ghost
gun
and
are
we
collecting
you
know
information
from
you
know
the
switches
on
you
know
if
they're,
where
they're
purchased
or
if
they
were
3D.
J
Printed
so
we're
definitely
collecting
as
much
information
as
we
can
get
from
them
with
the
the
ghost
guns
you
know.
Sometimes
there
is
serialized
pieces
that
are
used
in
the
making
of
the
firearm,
and
so
we
would
capture
that
to
the
extent
that's
possible.
Some
of
those
are
more
less
helpful.
You
know,
based
on
the
sort
of
federal
requirements,
whether
you
can
actually
trace
it
back
or
you
know
it's
more
sort
of
a
manufacturer's
marking
or
something
like
that.
J
So
we
do
see
that
and
and
do
track
that,
where
possible,
with
the
sear
switches
and
things
like
that,
oftentimes
there's
not
a
lot
of
traceability.
That
can
happen.
Obviously
we're
looking
for
patterns
and
Trends
in
the
sort
of
manufacturer
of
them
to
see
if
we
could
maybe
identify
a
single
Source,
whether
that's
a
a
private
manufacturer
or
a
business,
that's
manufacturing
them.
J
We
have
seen
them
being
sold
online
and
and
and
and
have
different
investigations
into
that
type
of
activity
for
sure,
but
it's
usually
more
around
sort
of
the
characteristics
of
the
the
exact
switch,
whether
it's
metal
or
3D
printed
or
you
know,
the
the
type
of
manufacturer.
Obviously,
the
the
sear
switch
is
a
very
specific
type
of
addition.
C
J
J
So
yep,
that's
correct,
I
would
say
I
would
say
we
do
collect.
Most
of
this
information
already
have
for
for
several
years
now,
I
would
say
that
the
results
of
the
the
data
analysis,
that's
done
is
shared
with
numerous
law
enforcement
partners
that
the
brick
and
the
and
BPD
work
with
on
a
daily
basis,
most
especially
our
own
officers
and
Command
Staff
to
sort
of
you
know,
help
improve
decision-,
making
around
deployment
and
investigative
priority,
and
things
like
that,
and
then
we.
J
C
Yeah
yeah
all
right.
My
final
question
is
currently
you
know
having
this
information,
do
you
guys
partner
with,
like
any
other,
outside
institutions,
research
based
institutions,
to
allow
them
to
develop?
You
know
their
own
research
based.
You
know
policy
or
recommendations.
You
know,
based
on
the
data
that
you
guys
are
currently
collecting.
J
With
the
department
or
public
records
requests
or
different
things
like
that
in
numerous
different
formats,
we've
provided
data
to
the
folks
from
BMC
to
do
some
research
through
the
trauma
team
sort
of
end
of
things
also
different
professors,
whether
it's
you
know
different
institutions,
Northeastern
Boston,
University,
different
things
like
that
over
the
years
we've
had
several
different.
You
know
sort
of
research
engagements
for.
E
A
Oh
sorry
about
that,
actually
you
are
correct.
Councelor
Mahia
floor
is
yours.
What
I'm
trying
to
do
for
folks,
so
I
don't
have
to
interrupt
your.
Your
statements
is
I'm,
taking
my
camera
off
when
we
hit
the
F
minute.
Mark
I
turn
it
on.
So
that
should
be
your
signal
that
that
we're
there
counselor
Durkin
has
joined
us
and
so
councelor
Mia
floor.
A
D
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you.
Counselor
flarity
for
flagging
I
thought
it
was
my
turn
and
then
he
went
somewhere
else
so
I.
You
know
that
does
not
count
within
my
five
minutes.
Counselor
just
so
you,
okay,
so
I
only
have
like
four
questions
and
you
know,
as
I
continue
to
grow
in
my
role
as
a
Citywide,
counselor
I've
been
learning
a
lot
as
I
am
in
community
with
people
who
have
diverse
experiences
and
beliefs
about
what
community
safety
looks
like
right.
D
So
I
really
want
to
bring
that
perspective
into
this
space,
because
we
are
talking
about
data
collection
and
we're
also
talking
about
the
role
that
the
council
can
play
and
so
I'm
going
to
start
with
just
given
the
political
climate
that
we
find
ourselves
in
not
just
here
locally
but
nationally.
There
is
a
political
climate
where
we
have
found
ourselves
in
very
divisive
of
politics,
and
people
usually
dig
their
heels
in
what
they
believe
is
the
right
way
to
deal
with
an
issue
and
I
as
I
continue
to
grow.
D
What
would
that
look
like
in
terms
of
really
helping
people
understand
that,
when
we're
thinking
about
gun
trafficking
that
everybody
plays
a
role
right,
we
can't
just
point
fingers
that
the
police
didn't
do
their
job
jobs,
that
you
know
the
city
council
didn't
do
this.
It's
like.
We
have
to
stop
that
and
we
have
to
model
a
very
different
way
of
being,
and
so
I
would
love
for
you
all
to
just
share
what
you
envision.
That
work
to
look
like
moving
forward
and
then
I'm
just
curious.
D
If
there's
a
way
for
us
to
track
that
in
this
ordinance
in
terms
of
how
we
can
look
at
the
Benchmark
and
see
how
we
increase
community
engagement
in
that
part
and
then
I'm
just
curious
if
there
is
a
location
right
now
that
exists,
that
we're
able
to
see
where
we
are
with
our
efforts
and
and
kind
of
like
when
people
ask
me,
what
did
the
gun
come
from
and
I'm
like
I,
don't
know?
Is
there
a
way
for
us
to
or
if
there's
a
space
for
us
to
direct
people
to?
D
If
so,
what?
What
is
that?
And
then?
Lastly-
and
this
is
more
a
question
because
I
am
a
single
mom
raising
you
know,
a
13-year-old
now,
who
you
know
is,
is
in
a
very
vulnerable
age,
I'm,
just
curious
what
role,
if
any,
when
you
do
find
a
gun,
and
it's
with
someone
who
is
under
18
what
role
and
prevention,
meth
methods
are
put
in
place
to
help
engage
the
parent
and
the
role
that
the
parent
plays
in
helping
to
support
the
work.
D
I
know
you
are
like
I
didn't
come
here
for
all
of
this,
but
I
think
that
when
we're
having
these
conversations,
I'd
love
to
seize
these
moments
for
us
to
have
a
broader
conversation
as
we're
policymaking
here,
so
that
everyone
who's
paying
attention,
has
a
good
understanding
of
what's
at
play
and
we're
able
to
look
at
the
bigger
picture.
I
said
a
lot
there,
superintendent
I'm
going
to
just
put
myself
on
mute
and
give
you
some
opportunities
to
respond.
K
I
Did
say
a
lot
and
I
appreciate
it:
I
I,
if
I'm
tracking,
correctly,
all
four
my
answer
is
going
to
be
the
same
right:
our
vision,
Remains,
the
Same.
It's
grown
right,
it's
community
policing,
it's
us
getting
into
the
community
developing
that
partnership
in
some
of
the
areas
where
we
know
there's
challenges.
We
still
continue
to
get
in
those
areas.
We
still
continue
to
build
that
partnership
and
build
that
trust.
The
commissioner
has
instituted
as
implemented
Community
compat.
I
Those
are
ways
that,
in
addition
to
all
the
ways
that
we're
already
doing
that
we're
getting
into
communities
educating
folks
of
of
what's
happening
in
their
particular
area,
but
not
only
that
we're
putting
the
onus
on
on
on
the
community
that
you
you.
You
have
a
role
here
to
help
to
solve
this
problem.
We
can't
do
this
alone.
No
way,
can
we
do
this
alone?
I
So
my
my
answer,
in
short,
would
be
this
community
policing
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
go
in
the
communities
despite
the
communities
in
the
areas
that
may
not
want
to
engage
with
us
and
I
get
it
listen.
We
understand
there
are
areas
where
it
is
very
challenging
it
is.
They
have
to
live
in
those
areas.
I
So
we're
going
to
be
very
intentional,
we're
going
to
go
in
in
the
communities
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
build
that
trust,
but
we
do
need
to
educate
folks,
but
we
also
need
parents
to
educate
their
young
folks
and
we,
when
you're,
asking
where
are
these
guns
coming
from
part
of
that
equation?
That
answer
comes
from
residents.
I
They
know
the
answers,
some
know
the
answers,
that's
why
we
have
Community.
We
have
the
gun
buyback
every
year
and
we
ask
listen.
No
questions
asked
bring
these
Firearms.
Let
us
take
them
off
your
hands,
but
that
doesn't
have
to
happen
once
a
year.
Folks
can
call
us,
we
can
arrange
it.
We
can.
Those
Firearms
can
be
retrieved
without
consequence
to
folks,
but
I
am
not
here
to
lecture
anybody,
but
I
would
say
that
we
have
to
parents
and
I'm
a
parent.
I
D
A
E
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
again,
having
some
difficulties
with
volume,
superintendent,
obviously
TR
to
see
Louis
I
didn't
see
you
earlier.
You
were
in
on
the
screen,
so
it's
good
morning.
It's
always
good
to
see
you
and
the
director
superintendent.
Can
you
just
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
resources,
Manpower
and
Technology
advances
that
are
out
there
in
terms
of
being
able
to
get
that
Intel
have
the
Manpower
and
the
resources
to
get
after
those
guns
and
get
them
off
the
street.
I
So
I
would
start
off
with
man
with
man
Manpower,
unfortunately
we're
at
a
stage
where
we're
seeing
a
number
of
folks
retiring
and
and
leaving
the
job.
We
there's
a
huge
amount
of
institutional
knowledge
leaving
and
it's
unfortunate,
but
as
a
department
we're
going
to
continue
to
grow
and
we-
and
we
have
young
folks
that
are
very
talented
and
very
oriented
with
community
policing
and
are
going
to
continue
to
work
with
our
communities.
I
Resources.
I
can
tell
you
this
coun
and
the
investigations
that
we
are
solving
in
the
investigations
that
we're
a
part
of
now
technology
is
playing
a
major
role
in
terms
of
cameras
in
terms
of
s.
Information,
and
these
are
the
technolog-
is
helping
us
solve
these
cases
and
come
to
mind
recently
we
had
an
incident
where
we
had
three
three
acts
of
violence,
and
one
was
two
are
of
fatality
that
particular
incident
cameras.
I
The
ability
to
attract
those
cameras
and
attracted
were
able
to
trct
this
individual
to
I
believe
it
was
Brockton
and
we
were
able
to
apprehend
that
individual
in
in
in
in
record
time.
But
again
that
is
the
technology.
That's
that's
out
there.
We
need
more
technology,
we
we
need
the
resources
and
Ryan.
Can
he
he'll
be
able
to
share
some
more
information
relative
to
the
resources
and
the
technology.
J
Yeah
I
I
think
we
could
certainly
be
doing
more
with
more
more
of
both.
Probably
you
know
no
question,
you
know,
analytically,
we
are
definitely
restrained
by
you
know
the
number
of
analysts
that
we
have
and
I
know
from
talking
with
the
Firearms
analysis
unit.
You
know
we,
the
biggest
thing
you
know
from
their
end
is
manpower
to
to
process
these
Firearms
into
the
system
to
be
able
to
extract
the
you
know,
critical
data
that
we
need.
J
You
know
if
they
had
more
manpower,
they'd
be
able
to
do
it
faster
more
effectively
right
now
we're
processing
guns
within
about
a
month
of
them
being
recovered
in
some
cases
a
lot
faster
than
that.
But
you
know
more
manpower
would
simply
increase.
You
know
that
speed
and
that
turnaround
time-
and
that
means
you
know
more
actionable
intelligence
and
information
for
our
officers
on
the
street
to
be
able
to
you
know,
prevent
the
next
shooting
or
take
the
next
gun
off
the
street.
As
far
as
you
know,
internally,
at
The
Brick.
J
Obviously
you
mentioned
the
grant
funding
earlier.
That
would
be,
you
know,
a
tremendous
resource
boost
to
us
for
for
Manpower,
and
you
know
the
technology
to
support
that
Manpower
that
we
need.
You
know,
like
the
superintendent,
said
these
investigations
and
and
continue
to
get
more
complex
and
the
requests
that
are
placed
upon
us
by
the
investigators
to
support
them
are
getting
more
complex
technologically
over
time,
and
so
that
does
you
know,
require
additional
resources
to
to
to
maintain
that
level
of
service
that
we
provided
to
the
community.
E
And
do
we
keep
statistics
as
to
how
many
crime
crimes
that
the
brick
has
solved?
Not
just
the
homicides
but
could
be
a
kidnapping,
could
be
a
Lo,
even
not
even
a
crime,
just
a
lost
child.
Do
you
guys
got
to
keep
track
of
statistically
the
role
that
brick
has
played
in
providing
Justice
for
families
that
have
lost
someone
for
census,
violence,
as
well
as
solving
other
other
issues.
J
E
J
Certainly,
certainly
couple
of
the
positions
that
we
would
fund
through
that
grant,
funding
I
would
be
specifically
targeted
towards
sharing
and
and
gathering
information
from
Regional
and
other
partners,
including
the
state,
police
and
Transit
Police
massport
other
other
partners
that
are
collecting
you
know
Firearms
related
information
in
the
city.
Additionally,
several
those
POs
positions
would
support
our
real-time
crime,
Center,
which
sort
of
works.
You
know
in
real
time,
including
responding
assisting
with
the
response
and
investigation
to
last
night's
incident.
J
E
Well,
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
the
work
that
you
do,
I'm,
hoping
that
this
hearing,
in
the
spirit
of
maybe
a
renewed
partnership
with
the
Boston
city
council,
will
lead
to
us
being
able
to
get
those
very
precious
Grant
dollars
to
you
dating
back
to
2020.
I
will
offer
this
there's
13
members
of
the
city
council.
Six
are
brand
new.
Only
in
their
first
term.
We
also
have
a
new
member
that
just
joined
us.
E
I
know
the
brick
has
always
been
very
gracious
working
with
the
council,
particularly
as
the
chair
of
Public
Safety,
and
has
offered
to
give
tours
Etc.
So
if
of
the
13
members,
if
there
are
members
that
have
not
been
over
to
the
brick
offer
to
you,
maybe
an
extended
invitation
to
those
colleagues
or
get
that
information
to
me.
E
Given
that
you
know
we
got
to
get
these
grants
moving,
and
my
hope
is
that
all
of
my
colleagues
have
had
an
opportunity
to
get
over
to
see
the
the
operation
as
well
as
engage
in
a
dialogue,
find
out
a
little
bit
more
about
who
you
are,
what
you
do
and
that
value.
So,
if
you
haven't
done
it,
I
would
suggest
you
do
my
senses
that
you
have
because
I
know
that
you've
always
been
accessible
and
gracious.
E
But
I
would
just
offer
that,
as
as
a
pting
comment,
that
there
are
several
new
members
and
it
may
be
a
great
opportunity
for
them
to
get
over
there
and
to
get
to
meet
all
of
you
and
to
see
the
great
work
that
you
do.
Thank
you,
superintendent,
cologne,
obviously
director,
as
well
as
superintendent,
Cruz,
I,
appreciate.
K
I
just
add
councel.
If
I
could
just
add
to
what
you're
saying
know,
we
have
an
open
door.
Policy
obviously
would
love
to
city
council
more
than
welcome
here.
This
is,
you
know,
part
of
the
city.
It's
Police
Department.
We
also
do
like
I
was
mentioned
already
a
community
comat.
Now,
that's
a
that's
a
great
opportunity
for
us
to
interact
with
the
community.
A
lot
of
information
is
provided
to
them,
see
something
say
something
things
that
that
have
been
helpful
in
the
past
in
solving
crime.
E
Thank
you,
Lou
and
I,
obviously,
and
I
appreciate
that,
and
my
hope
is
that
you
know
the
Boston
city
council
can
back
up
their
thoughts
and
prayers
with
giving
you
guys
the
resources
and
to
Foster
that
partnership,
that
you
know
I
often
say
it.
Success
stories
in
Boston
are
a
direct
result
of
Partnerships.
If
we
want
to
be
successful
in
this
effort
to
reduce
crime
and
violence
and
to
to
get
these
guns
off
the
street,
it's
going
to
require
a
partnership
with
the
Boston
city
council
and
the
Boston
Police
Department.
F
Jen,
thank
you
and
thank
you
to
the
members
of
BPD
for
being
here
and
sharing
the
information
with
us.
I
know
that
the
city
has
really.
You
know.
One
of
the
good
things
about
us
here
is
that
we're
really
impatient,
even
though,
when
we're
doing
better
than
other
large
cities,
we
want
to
be
doing
even
better
than
the
metrics
and
the
goals
that
we're
hitting
and
the
city
has
created
a
gun,
violence
reduction
management
team.
F
That's
going
to
bring
that
brings
together,
police
health
workers
and
a
reconstituted
street
outreach
program
to
really
tackle
the
issues
of
gun
violence
from
all
the
angles
that
you
really
need
to
tackle.
It
and
I'm
wondering
if
any
of
you
sit
on
that
team
or
the
work
that
that
team
has
done
already
to
Institute.
I
We
are
we
we
we're
doing
well,
we
need
to
do
better
and
again
we
need
to
get
to
the
root
causes
of
what's
causing
this
violence
and
that's
not
arresting
people
every
time.
That's
not
it,
but
it
is
through
the
brick.
Through
the
Boston
Police
Department,
we
can
identify
the
individuals.
We
can
identify
that
small
percentage
that's
causing
and
driving
that
violence
again
with
the
identification
of
this
person
and
different
resources
to
address.
What's
causing
this
Behavior,
which
again,
could
it's
not
only
going
to
be
lie
within
that
individual?
I
It's
going
to
lie
lie
within
other
folks
in
the
family.
We
need
to
provide
support
and
resources
to
that
individual.
But
I
will
always
say
that
for
the
individuals
that
do
not
want
to
come
along
with
the
program,
then
there's
got
to
be
a
re
Rehabilitation
for
portion
of
that.
But
again,
if
that
it
were
to
happen,
we
need
need
to
provide
services
so
that
person
can
gets
reintegrated
into
society.
It
comes
out
as
a
better
person.
F
That's
why
I
think
data
is
really
important
for
us
when
we,
when
incidents
happen,
for
us
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
having
an
a
reaction
that
is
not
rooted
that
is
rooted
only
in
Emotion
needs
to
be
really
rooted
in
data,
so
I
support
the
Data
Tracking
that
is
integral
to
making
this
happen,
but
that
also
the
data
shows
that
the
a
lot
of
gun
violence
is
being
perpetrated
by
those
who
are
older
and
those
who
are
disaffected
from
our
systems.
So
I'm
wondering
I
know
you
mentioned
that
you
attended
the
workshop.
F
I
I
would
say,
collaboration
it's
it's
not
just
a
it's,
not
just
a
one
discipline
approach,
it's
collaboration
and
again
it's
getting
folks.
We
need
to
have
folks
on
the
streets
that
can
that
are
credible
to
these
young
folks
that
are
credible
to
the
folks
in
the
community,
and
we
can't
have
this
divisional,
these
divisional
phrases
where
you
know
the
police,
don't
talk
to
the
police.
We
can't
have
that.
So
we
need
to
have
somebody
that
can
connect
with
these
individuals
and
then
finally
bring
us
all
into
the
picture.
I
So
I,
I,
I,
I,
stress
collaboration,
I
stress,
identification
of
of
the
individuals
that
are
pushing
that
it's
a
small
percentage.
We
know
it's
a
small
percentage
of
individuals
and
it's
a
small
geographical
area.
It's
changing,
because
people
are
now
my
migrating
to
other
areas,
but
it's
just
being
able
to
identify
those
folks
and
having
the
right
credible
person
to
engage
this
individual
just
to
see
if
we
can
get
the
get.
What
what
what
is
at
the
problem?
What's
the
root
of
the
problem,
how
can
we
how
we
can
best
give
services
to
that
individual.
F
A
J
So,
through
through
several
of
different
Grant
programs
that
the
department
participates
in
there's
been
ongoing
kind
of
research
into
to
firearm
violence
characteristics
through
Professor
brag
for
one
example
at
nor
Eastern
now
at
upen,
that
has
kind
of
tried
to
focus
on
what
are
some
of
the
you
know,
maybe
unique
characteristics
that
are
unique
to
Boston
that
we're
seeing
in
terms
of
the
firearm
violence
problem,
there's
been
Research
into
sort
of
the
place-based
nature
of
fire
and
violence.
In
some
cases
you
know,
what
can
we?
J
What
can
we
do
to
the
physical
built
environment?
I
know,
that's
one
thing
that
Dr
diao
is
looking
at
as
well
as
part
of
his
initiative,
and
so
there's
been
different.
Things
like
that
I
will
say
you
know,
I
would
agree
the
overall
you,
research,
environment,
around
fire
and
violence
has
definitely
been
impacted
by
the
national.
You
know
political
environment
and
the
funding
that's
available
was,
you
know,
severely
restricted
in
the
past.
I
think
that's
coming
back
to
some
extent
in
in
recent
years,
but
definitely
there's
a
lot
of
ground
to
make
up.
G
The
other
question
you
know
earlier
in
the
year
there
was
a
lot
of
news
in
the
about
the
gun
stores
in
Littleton
and
places
like
that
that
were
had
some
pretty
illegal
practices
of
selling
to
St
purchasers.
Etc
like
are,
we
are
we
on
top
of
that
and
is
that
situation
approved
any
and
I
know
that's
more
of
a
Statewide
issue,
even
a
federal
issue,
but
how?
How
are
you
connecting
into
that
that
scenario
or
or
what
impact
do
those
straw
purchasers
have
in
in
Street
violence
and
gun
violence
in
in
Boston.
I
So
I
will
say
that
we
are
very
much
involved
in
those
in
those
investigations,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we've
increased
our
Personnel,
that's
over
attached
to
the
ATF
task
force
and
one
of
the
incidents
that
I
mentioned
earlier
as
a
result
of
that
investigation
and
great
work
by
an
investigator
that
led
to
some
significant
insight
as
to
some
of
these
dealers.
So
without
saying
too
much
yes,
we're
we're
very,
very
much
involved
and
we
will
continue
to
be.
G
J
Year,
I
I,
don't
have
the
exact
figure
I
could
I
could.
Certainly
it's
actually
available
on
the
public
Dash
board
that
the
department
puts
out
each
year.
I,
don't
have
it
right,
my
fingertips
here,
but
you
know
I
would
say
it
it's
a
sizable
number,
although
most
of
our
firearm
recoveries
are
crime
guns
that
officers
are
taking
off
the
streets
through
investigations
and
and
proactive.
J
You
know
activity,
it's
the
minority
of
the
guns
are
turned
into
us
and
you
know
unfortunately,
I
think
with
these
buyback
programs
a
lot
of
the
firearms
that
you
rece
retrieve
tend
to
be
older.
Maybe
not
even
you
know,
functioning
firearms
in
some
cases,
and
so
that's
you
know
a
particular
challenge
for
sure.
I
And
I
can
say
that
I
I
actually
oversaw
that
one
of
the
gun
buybacks
I,
want
to
say
about
four
years
ago
and
we
had
I
I.
Don't
quote
me
in
the
number,
but
it
was
definitely
over
20
but
I
I
will
say
this
any
firearm,
any
working
firearm
that
comes
through
the
gun
buyback.
That's
a
that's!
That's
success
because
that's
one
firearm,
that's
not
going
out
to
the
streets
and
it's
not
going
to
go
into
the
wrong
hands.
G
Yeah
I
think
one
of
the
most
distressing.
You
know
it's
all
distressing,
but
one
of
the
most
alarming
things
is
when
little
kids
get
a
hold
of
guns
and
maybe
end
up
bringing
it
there's
a
fascination
with
Firearms.
It's
part
of
our
culture
really,
but
you
know
turning
up
in
school
with
a
with
a
with
a
handgun
or
something
because
an
adult
hasn't
secured
it
or
it's
an
an
illegal
gun
or
an
illegal
gun.
That's
not
been
stored
properly.
G
I
And
I
would
say:
ma'am
I
would
also
I
would
also
say
our
presence
in
the
schools.
That's
where
the
education
comes,
and
that's
great.
Our
offices
are
back
in
the
schools
and
serving
as
counselors
serving
as
as
big
brothers
and
sisters,
and
that's
where
the
education
piece
comes
in
and
we
we
need
to
do
more
of
that,
but
again
with
your
constituent
that,
if
that's
promoted
to
them
as
well,
they
they
you
know,
seek
the
Boston,
Police
Department
call
us
we,
you
know
we'll
put
on
classes
for
of
of
safety.
H
Keta,
thank
you
so
much
chair
and
thank
you
to
to
to
everyone
for
their
questions
and
I
really
appreciate
the
answers.
I
do
want
to
uplift
Council
Louis
Jen's
recommendation
to
have
policy
recommendations
included
in
this
as
well,
but
maybe
we
can
get
to
that
during
the
the
working
session.
I
am
curious
to
know
too
I
would
love
to
see
how
this
ordinance
could
show
us
how
how
we
were
doing
in
Massachusetts,
for
you
know
just
particular
crimes.
H
My
brain
automatically
thinks
about
the
2014
commonwealth
law
that
prohibits
individuals,
convicted
of
domestic
violence,
misdemeanors
from
purchasing
or
possessing
firearms
or
ammunition,
I'm
wondering
if
we
can
specify
the
the
certain
the
the
certain
crimes
that
were
committed.
If
it
was
connected
to
a
crime.
I
know
there
was
reservations
about
I
think
it
was
section
two
B
and
H
I.
J
Language,
we
certainly
have
been
seeing,
unfortunately,
an
increase
in
juvenile
firearm
possession
arrests
in
the
city
over
the
past
several
years.
We
have
seen
a
bit
of
a
downt
this
year,
fortunately,
but
still
a
substantial
number.
You
know,
unfortunately,
of
juveniles
that
are
being
found
in
possession
of
firearms.
So
that's
definitely
an
ongoing
concern
to
us
for.
H
H
J
Well,
I
think,
to
the
extent
that
we
that
we
knew
the
that
the
gun
was,
you
know,
recovered
pursu
to
to
like
a
particular
type
of
crime
investigation
and
not
you
know,
recovered
sort
of
unrelated
to
a
specific
crime
being
committed.
You
know,
obviously,
some
of
times
we
recover
guns.
You
know
following
robbery
but
other
times
we
recover
guns.
You
know
as
a
result
of
different
that
that
aren't
you
know
directly
related
to
a
specific.
You
know,
other
offense,
let's
say
so.
You
know
we
can.
L
Murphy
hi,
it's
so
great
to
be
with
everyone
today,
I
I'm,
sorry
I
was
a
little
late
for
the
hearing
really
appreciate.
Also
that
I
know
counselor
Clarity
mentioned
sort
of
newer
counselors
coming
to
tour
the
brick
so
I'm
actually
doing
that
tomorrow
morning
at
9:00
a.m.
So
look
forward
to
maybe
I'll
see
some
of
you.
There
just
wanted
to
obviously
I
think
the
goal
of
buyback
programs
is
really
important
and
the
goal
of
obviously
ending
violence
in
our
city
is
super.
Important
and
I.
L
I
appreciated
everyone's
thoughts
on
sort
of
policy,
direct
policy
recommendations,
but
wanted
to
ask
sort
of
because
I'm
touring
the
brick
tomorrow,
sort
of
what
sort
of
things
I
should
look
for
or
what
questions
I
should
ask.
Is
there
any
tools
that
I
should
try
to
see
what,
while
I'm
there
and
any
just
recommendations
for
for
the
things
that
I
might
see
while
I'm
there.
J
We're
certainly
looking
forward
to
having
you
tomorrow,
counselor
I
would
say
that
we
have
a
you
know
a
full
sort
of
operational
overview
prepared
to
to
to
run
you
through.
So
you
get
to
see
the
different
facets
of
our
operation,
both
analytically
and
investigatively,
that
we're
involved
in
and
we're
happy
to.
You
know
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have,
and
you
know
I
think
through
that
we
often
see
people
kind
of
having
certain
questions
about
about
different
topics
or
Technologies,
or
things
like
that.
L
K
I
How
would
we
rate
the
success
of
it?
I
I
as
I
alluded
to
earlier
any
anytime?
We
get
to
get
firearms
that
are
working,
Firearms
or
notw
working
Firearms
right,
because
people
could
probably
get
those
to
to
become
functional.
Firearms
anytime.
We
can
get
these
Firearms
off
the
streets
in
our
custody
and
it
doesn't
go
to
the
wrong
hands
it.
That's
that's
a
win
so
each
year
we've
you
I
I
believe
one
year
because
of
the
pandemic.
I
That's
we
were
impacted
and
we
had
a
small
amount,
but
no
I
think
you
know
it's
a
success
because
we
do
recover
firearms
and
again
we
will
continue
to
promote
that.
But
I
think
we
do
we
need
to
do.
We
need
to
be
better
as
how
we
message
that
and
and
and
give
ample
time
to
folks
so
that
these
F,
so
they
can
be
promoted
throughout
the
districts
and
as
well
as
from
our
colleagues
and
on
the
council,
that,
when
you're
speaking
to
your
constituents
that
they
understand
the
importance
of
this
so
yeah.
J
L
Yeah
and
obviously
I
have
I
need
to
shout
out
one
constituent,
Helen
Cox,
who
is
a
a
a
a
venerable
member
of
the
Fenway
Community.
She
had
been
emailing
me
before
I
was
a
city
counselor
for
years
about
instituting
a
gun,
buyback
program
in
the
city
and
actually
up
until
this
March
and
so
I
think
there
is
a
lot
of
people
that
don't
know
that
this
program
exists,
and
it
would
obviously
benefit
us
all
if
everyone
knew
about
it.
So
are
there?
I
So
we
do
share
it
with
the
media.
We
do
through
social
media
as
well
through
our
community
meetings.
I
I
I
just
think
that
we
we
we
it
needs
to
be
emphasized
more
at
the
meetings
in
well
in
advance.
So
again,
we'll
share
it
with
the
councel
and
when
you're,
at
your
meetings
or
you're
speaking
with
your
constituents
and
that
gets
out,
but
yeah
I.
I
Just
needs
to
be
more
intentional,
I
think
in
and
it
has
to
be
clear.
We
tell
everyone's
going
to
have
reservations
because
they're
saying
oh
we're
coming
in
we're
to
turn
we're
going
to
turn
in
a
firearm.
What's
going
to
happen
to
me
and
and
and
you
we
just
promote
what
we've
done
in
the
years
past,
it's
there's
no
consequences.
You
dropped
this
firearm.
There
are
no
question.
Questions
asked
it's
a
working
firearm
there's
a
reward.
I
So
I
would
say
we
we
promoted
in
the
city,
but
just
as
if,
if
somebody
from
outside
of
Massachusetts
outside
of
these
borders
wants
to
turn
in
a
firearm,
I
have
my
view
on
this.
Is
that
that
firearm,
if
it's
in
New
Hampshire,
it
can
make
its
way
into
the
streets
of
Boston?
So
if
somebody
wants
to
comeing
and
turn
that
firearm
we're
taking
that
firearm,
we're.
L
Gonna
yeah
no
I
think
that's
the
right.
That's
definitely
the
right
and
then
I
I
actually
was
scheduled
for
a
ride
along
this
past
weekend,
but
it
got
rescheduled
to
next
weekend
and
obviously
a
lot
of
the
concerns
in
my
district
are
around
in
Mission.
Hill
are
around
parties
and
noise
so
obviously,
and
students
so
not
related
to
gun
violence,
but
but
I
feel
like
gun.
Violence
obviously
impacts
all
of
us
and
it
impacts
people's
willingness
and
their
comfort
level
on
the
street.
L
A
M
M
M
But
that
being
said,
I
mean
we.
We
we
talk
a
lot
about
how,
overall,
in
the
city
of
Boston,
compared
to
other
large
cities,
that
our
crime
rate
is
kind
of
low.
But
when
you
talk
to
people
in
individual
neighborhoods,
our
hotspots
across
the
city,
you
know
any
any
crime.
Any
gun,
violence,
or
you
know,
is,
is
too
many
right.
M
M
You
know
supporting
youth
involvement,
I'm
a
strong
advocate
in
making
sure
that
our
schools
right
our
public
schools
and
that
we're
having
places
for
our
young
kids
to
go
before
and
after
school
and
making
sure
that
our
young
adults
coming
you
know
through
our
high
school
programs,
are
leaving
with
a
purpose
and
skills
to
have
a
job.
I
think
this
is
all
tied
together.
So
I
don't
really
have
any
questions
about
that.
But
I
do
have
a
question
specific
to
any
open
gun
cases.
M
If
that's
fine,
if
I
could
just
ask
the
number
of
open
gun
cases
in
Boston,
there
are
Boston
in
the
district
courts.
Is
it
true
that
there
are
about
500,
open
gun
cases
in
Dorchester,
District,
Court
Alone?
Is
that
something
that
you
could
speak
to
in
other
certain
neighborhoods
I
would
assume?
Yes,
that
have
more
open
gun
cases
that
others.
I
So
I
I
will
say
that,
yes,
there
are
a
number
of
open
gun
cases
as
to
the
amount
the
exact
number
I
couldn't
provide
that
at
this
time.
But
yes,
we're
seeing
there
are
some
open
gun
cases.
There
are
individuals
who
have
multiple
gun
infractions
in
the
courts
and
that's
that's
troubling
so,
but
I
as
to
the
exact
number
I
I
could
not
provide
that
at
this
time.
M
Okay,
no,
that's
fine,
I'm,
just
making
sure
that
you
know
I
know
we
have
a
new
district
attorney
now,
but
are
those
with
open
gun
cases
back
out
on
the
street
and
if
we
could
get
maybe
a
sort
of
number
to
that
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
allowing
like
you
just
said
it's
concerning.
If
you
have
more
than
one
or
you're
back
out
on
the
street
reoffending,
to
make
sure
that
we're
keeping
you
know
our
streets
and
our
neighborhood
safe,
but
that
information
would
be
helpful.
J
I
would
say:
counselor
we
do
work
very
closely
with
the
DA's
office
on
you
know.
Any
firearm
related
case
that
they're
working
on
and
we
try
to
provide
them
as
much
information
as
possible
to
to
try
to
you
know,
increase
the
restrictions
that
are
placed
on
on
these
offenders,
and
things
like
that.
So
you
know
to
the
extent
we
can
we're,
certainly
trying
to
provide
them
with
the
information
that
they
might
need
to
sort
of.
M
Okay,
no
I
appreciate
that
and
I
appreciate
all
all
you're
doing
so
know
that
as
an
ally
I'm
here
on
the
council,
along
with
my
colleagues,
to
make
sure
that
you
have
the
support
you
need
to
keep
our
our
city
safe.
Our
neighborhood,
safe
that
Council
Royo
I
am
giving
you
back
I
think
at
least
a
minute.
But
thank.
A
A
B
And
thank
you
Mr,
chair
and
again
thank
you
to
the
Boston
police
team.
That's
here
and
that's
doing
outstanding
work
in
the
community
in
getting
so
many
guns
off
the
off
the
streets,
providing
strong
and
healthy
neighborhoods.
So
thank
you.
Superintendent,
bone
superintendent,
Cruz
and
and
Ryan
Walsh
as
well,
but
also
want
to
thank
the
men
and
women
that
out
on
the
streets
every
day
that
are
doing
that
are
doing
this
work.
B
Would
would
it
be
acceptable
that,
instead
of
getting
all
that
information
that
we
could
just
get
the
get
the
state
where
it
came
from
and
keeping
it
kind
of
generic
like
that,
instead
of
getting
all
of
the
all
of
the
details
about
where
it
was
sold
or
manufactured?
But
I
I
would
like
to
at
least
know
where
what
state
it
did
come
from.
J
I
I
think
we
could
certainly
you
know,
work
with
our
ATF
Partners
to
to
sort
of
see
what
they're
comfortable
with
I
I
would
guess
that
you
know
sort
of
a
little
bit
more
higher
level.
Information
is
going
to
certainly
help
in
that
process.
You
know
they
did.
We
were
able
to
kind
of
briefly
talk
with
them
about
the
ordinance
beforehand,
and
you
I
think
those
are
the
two
you
you
know.
J
B
So
on
H,
just
looking
at
H
the
dealer
of
such
firearm
and
whether
such
deal
was
licensed.
I
I
I
understand
that
I'm
looking
at
number
two,
a
a
review
of
the
ways
Firearms
illegally
transported
into
the
city,
including
through
roadways,
Interstate,
sea,
ports
or
or
or
the
ocean
bodies
of
water,
water.
B
I
I
I
do
know
that
a
lot
of
the
Firearms
are
trafficked
up
from
from
the
salt
through
the
through
the
highway
system
via
VIA
automobile,
but
is
that
is
that
some
type
of
is
that
information
that
would
compromise
the
work
you
do
is
even
having
that
information
on
how
a
gun,
Finds
Its
way
into
Boston,
whether
it's
driven
up
here
by
by
someone
in
an
autom,
automobile
or
or
or
in
other
ways,
does,
would
that
compromise.
Any
potential
investigations.
B
Level
yeah,
thank
you
and
I.
I
do
know
that,
eventually,
when
the
when
the
chair
does
come
out
with,
with
with
the
report
I
know,
he'll
he'll
be
reviewing
that
information,
but
I
I,
think
I
I
think
it
would
be
important
to
have
even
a
kind
of
a
basic
or
a
general
idea
of
of
some
of
that
information.
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think
specifics
are
NE
necessary,
but
just
something
basic
or
generally
speaking,
on
on
how
they
are
trafficked
into
the
into
the
Boston
area
would
be
helpful.
B
So
I,
I
I
do
thank
the
the
the
chair
and
also
the
obviously
the
Boston
police
team
and
I
I
guess.
My
final
question
is
for
the
superintendent
or
superintendent
orer
Ryan.
What
is
what
is
the
situation
in
around
Massachusetts,
where
we're
surrounded
by
many
states,
close,
close
drive
to
close
drive
to
Boston
one
hour
each
way,
really?
What
type
of
what
type
of
communication
are
we
having
with
cities
and
states
in
in
the
New
England
region
on
on
gun
trafficking?
Are
we
coordinating
efforts?
Are
we
working
together?
I
It
so
yes,
as
again
through
the
task
force
with
the
with
our
federal
Partners
they're
in
constant
communication,
not
only
with
the
states
but
the
cities
that
surround
us,
but
also
our
specialized
units,
the
brick.
Let's
start
off
with
the
brick,
the
brick
is
in
constant
Communications
with
the
cities
that
border
our
that
border
us,
but
also
I,
I,
know
that
I
use
violence,
Strike
Force
in
our
drug
control
units
and
and
investigative
units.
If
an
investigation
is
leading
into
a
neighboring
District,
we
have
relationships.
Let's
start
there.
I
We
have
working
relationships
with
all
our
with
I
would
say
the
majority
of
our
surrounding
cities.
So
if
these
investigations
are
going
in
that
direction
or
we're
seeing
that
there's
some
implication
into
their
into
their
streets,
absolutely
there
constant
communication,
but
then
that's
reinforced
Again
by
our
task
force.
They
get
involved
in
and
sure
that
the
communication
and
in
the
partnership
is.
B
B
You
know
IND
visually
to
get
to
get
a
handgun,
or
are
they
doing
this
because
it's
a
business
because
they're
making
lots
of
money
and
they're
trafficking
dozens
and
hundreds
of
guns
at
a
time
or
is
it
or
is
it
simply
going
somewhere
to
try
to
get
an
illegal
gun?
For
for
your
own
personal
reason,
can?
Can
you
give
me
an
idea
of
of
of
what
what
we're
up
against
or
what,
what
I
should
say,
the
what
what
the
police
departments
across
New
England
are
up
against
in
on
on
that.
I
J
Investigations,
okay,
I
think
councelor.
One
thing
that
we're
seeing
that
I
would
say
is
a
concerning
trend.
Is
that
I
think
it's
becoming
the
level
of
sophistication
required
to
particularly
manufacture
these
privately
manufactured
firearms?
And
things
like
that
is
decreasing?
You
know
over
time
as
the
technology
improves
and
so
I
think
that's
becoming
a
a
a
bigger
challenge
for
us,
where
the
the
barrier
to
entry
into
the
gun,
trafficking,
Network
the
gun,
selling
Network,
is
lowering
over
time
as
the
technology
improves
and
people
are
able
to
do
it.
J
I
I
B
A
B
Yeah,
thank
you.
Mr,
chair,
I
I.
Think
that
recommendation
that
the
chair
mentioned
is
makes
sense
to
me.
It
would
if,
if
it
was
passed,
we
would
we
would
probably
start
with
2023,
but
I'd
also
like
to
get
the
input
as
well
from
Council
LEL,
but
I
I
I
I
would
not
Envision
going
going
further
back
than
the
the
current
year,
but
Council
well
does.
Does
that
make
sense
with
you.
B
A
D
Okay,
I'm
having
technical
difficulties,
I
I,
just
have
a
quick,
followup
and
and
I
know
we're
not
doing
a
working
session
just
yet,
but
I
would
encourage
my
colleagues
to
go
back
to
2022
and
instead
of
just
starting
this
year,
because
it
gives
us
an
understanding
of
like
a
full
picture.
So
I
would
recommend
that
and
I
am
also
curious
as
we're
developing
this
piece
of
legislation
around
accountability.
D
If
there's
a
an
opportunity
for
us
to
look
at
or
to
include
any
information,
I
see,
you
have
the
location
of
such
seizure,
including
latitude
longitude
of
available,
but
in
this
case
at
Leisa
specific
at
the
nearest
intersection.
I'm
just
curious.
If
here,
if
there
was
a
way
for
us
to
have
a
like
what,
after
after
the
after
the
Seas
has
happened,
kind
of
what
happens
after
that
is.
Is
there
a
way
for
us
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
the
work
and
or
I?
Don't
know?
D
If
that's
not
something
that
you
want
to
make
public,
but
I
just
think
that,
in
order
for
us
to
really
build
trusting
relationships
with
Community,
the
needs
to
be
some
form
of
something
else.
Aside
from
just
Gathering
the
data
and
trying
to
just
track
it,
but
if
there
is
another
followup
or
or
ways
for
us
to
keep
people
updated,
is
there?
Is
there
some
space
for
for
this
ordinance
to
have
a
what
now
to
component
to
it,
president
Flynn
and
Council
Ral?
B
D
I
I
love
that
idea
and
I
just
would
like
to
offer
superintendent
I
know
you
mentioned
earlier
about
the
important
role
that
everybody
plays
and
I
really
do
believe
that
it's
going
to
take
all
of
us
to
do
this
work
together.
That
I
think
as
when
the
report
does
come
out
that
there
needs
to
be-
and
maybe
this
is
not
through
the
council.
But
this
is
more
around
Community
engagement
is
that
there
is
a
a
town
hall
or
an
educational,
Forum
or
an
infographic,
or
something
that
helps
people
understand.
The
data.
D
I
I
think
that
that's
where
we
often
get
lost
and
I
think
that
we
have
a
responsibility
to
bring
people
in
in
ways
that
are
going
to
educate
them.
So
I
think
education
is
going
to
be,
should
be
a
part
of
this
ordinance,
president
Flynn,
whether
it
be
something
that
the
BPD
does
or
something
that
the
council
does
with
the
administration.
D
But
I
do
think
that
we
have
a
responsibility
in
terms
of
educating
people
and
not
everyone's
going
to
show
up
to
our
public
hearing,
but
that
if
we
do
have
a
public
hearing
that
there
is
a
responsibility
on
the
administration
or
the
council
or
whoever
to
really
break
things
down
outside
of
a
public
hearing
space
outside
of
a
a
formal
space,
cuz
I
think
that
we
want.
We
want
to
get
Buy
in
from
from
those
who
are
living.
D
I
J
I'd
also
say
counselor
that
we're
you
know
I
would
encourage
people
to
review
the
the
public
dashboards
that
are
on
the
website.
Now,
that's
sort
of
an
initial
attempt
to
do
some
data
visualization
that,
hopefully,
you
know,
provides
some
even
you
know
more
real
time,
reporting
on
different
trends
that
we're
seeing
or
you
know,
certainly
around
fire
and
violence,
and
things
like
that.
We're
going
to
kind
of
continue
to
improve
those.
The
commissioner
kind
of
made
it
a
priority
for
us
to
push
out
additional
data
sets.
J
So
the
brick
in
collaboration
with
the
rest
of
the
department
is
working
on
several
additional
dashboards
that
we
hope
to
release
later
this
year
as
well.
So
we're
definitely
interested
in
feedback
that
certainly
any
of
the
counselors
might
have,
but
any
of
your
constituents
as
well.
You
know
we're
hoping
to
make
this
sort
of
a
fluid
living
process
on
our
new
website
and
so
everyone
you
know
we
can
kind
of
continually
improve
that
data.
That's
pushed
out
just
sort
of
in
an
automated.
D
Thank
you
for
that,
and
my
last
question
really
is
more
focused
around.
Maybe
some
point
of
interest
that
might
be
worth
exploring
is
understanding
the
neighborhoods
in
which
we
have
a
higher.
You
know
incidents
happening.
Would
it
be
possible
for
us
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
where
throughout
the
city,
and
then
how
are
we
interfacing
with
our
with
the
state,
police
and
other
entities
to
help
us
grapple
with
the
issue?
D
B
I'm
I'm
open
to
I'm
open
to
that
suggestion
and
would
would
work
and
discuss
it
with
Council.
Well
and
in
with
my
colleagues
and,
however,
we're
able
to
effectively
engage
residents
and
include
them
and
the
community
process.
I'm
I'm
open
to
that
and
working
working
closely
with
the
police
as
well,
but
would
would
would
coordinate
with
Council,
Orel
and
and
and
all
of
my
colleagues
to
get
their
their
input
on
on
how
we
move
forward.
J
The
counselor,
the
data
that's
on
most
of
the
dashboards,
is
aggregated
at
the
neighborhood
level,
based
on
the
bpda
sort
of
neighborhood
boundaries.
Obviously
we're
sensitive.
You
know
I'm,
always
kind
of
concerned
when
we
do
aggravate
things
at
that
sort
of
broader
level
that
you
know
we
might
stigmatize
certain
neighborhoods
as
as
being
more,
you
know
prone
to
this
type
of
activity
or
not.
J
Obviously
you
know
we
do
realize,
there's
a
geospatial
component
and
a
geographic
component
to
to
the
to
the
issue,
and
so
we're
sort
of
focused
on
that
from
a
couple
different
levels.
But
those
dashboards
do
include
a
neighborhood
aggregation
and
you
know
I
would
say
we
could
probably
commit
to
to
a
similar.
You
know
aggregation
here
if
that
would
be
helpful
for
the
council.
D
E
Thank
you,
Mr
Cher
and
I
just
want
to
follow
up
superintendent
to
with
Council
Murphy's
line
of
inquiry
because
it
was
a.
It
was
a
really
good
point.
In
addition
to
the
efforts
U,
the
brick
does
to
get
illegal
Firearms
off
the
street,
the
ghost
Guns
Etc.
Are
you
guys
tracking
the
open
gun
cases
in
Boston?
E
Are
you
collaborating
partnering
with
the
suffa
County
District
Attorney's
office
and
those
other
jurisdictions
MBTA
State
Police,
to
find
out
which
of
those-
and
this
is
really
targeting
sort
of
the
the
violent
actors-
the
repeat
offenders-
to
identify
on
those
open
cases
which
ones
are
getting
indicted,
which
ones
are
getting
diverted
who's
defaulting
who's?
Picking
up,
you
know.
M
E
Subsequent
gun
case
and
and
what
efforts
does
Brick,
you
know
the
role
ises
brick
play
and
at
least
getting
that
information
to
the
Frontline
Adas.
So
they
can
make
a
determination
as
to
whether
or
not
to
ask
for
bail
or
to
hold
without
bail.
Etc
I
can
see.
The
frustration
obviously
is
the
effort
you
make
trying
to
get
guns
off
the
street,
and
then
you
got
a
repeat
player
impact
player,
violent
player
that
continues
to
appear
out
in
the
neighborhood.
E
When
that
individual
has
maybe
one
two
three
open
gun
cases.
That's
completely
unacceptable
when
we
see
those
situations
and
we
got
to
pump
the
brakes,
coordinate
with
the
District
Attorney's
Office
Andor
the
courts
to
make
sure
that
that
information-
all
that
Collective
shared
information,
Intel,
is
being
shared
so
just
again
want
to
expand
on
on
councelor
Murphy's
inquiry,
not
quite
sure
how
many
open
gun
cases
there
are
currently
in
Boston,
and
we
can
expand
it
to
Suppa
County.
E
J
I
would
say
you
know
we're
in
communication
with
with
all
those
different
partners
on
a
daily
basis.
We
host
a
daily
call
where
we
sort
of
review
the
previous
day's
activity.
Numerous
different
Regional
partners
are
are
on
that
and
then
we
are,
you
know
in
Daily
communication
with
the
DA's
office
to
help
them.
You
know,
understand
the
Department's,
you
know
dynamic
and
and
what
we're
seeing
the
history
that
we
have
with
certain
individuals
so
that
they
can
be.
J
You
know
appropriately
prioritized
for
prosecution,
and
then
you
know
we're
also
receiving
that
information
back
from
the
DA's
office
so
that
we
can
inform
you
know,
as
you
said,
the
Frontline
officers
to
make
sure
that
they're
aware
of
you
know
what
restrictions
different
offenders
might
have
on
them.
If
they
are
released
pre-trial
and
then
also
you
know,
post
conviction,
post
sentence,
we
are
trying
to
keep
it
tab,
so
we
make
sure
we
inform
officers
when
individuals
are
being
released.
You
know
for
awareness
purposes
and
things
like
that.
J
So
at
all
lengths
of
the
process,
I
would
say
we
have.
We
have
good
communication.
It
is
a
lot,
a
large
volume.
Unfortunately,
of
information,
and
so
I
think
this
comes
back
to
the
resources
question
where
you
know
with
additional
resources,
we
could
certainly
I
think
be
better
at
this
sort
of
thing
produce
more
reporting
for
our
officers
and
and
partners,
and
so
that
you
know
it
becomes
a
volume
issue
at
a
certain
point
for
sure.
E
I
mean
that
that
number
is
a
staggering
number
and
then
maybe
factoring
in
there
could
be
some
repeat
offenders
within
that
sort
of
list
and
then
identifying
which
ones
have
or
have
not
been
indicted,
which
ones
have
or
have
not
been
diverted
who
has
defaulted
Andor,
who
has
offended
again
with
an
illegal
firearm?
I,
that's
important
data,
I!
Think
for
me
you
know.
As
a
member
of
the
council,
chair
of
Public
Safety,
you
know
working
closely
and
collaborating
with
Boston
police
as
well
as
the
suffa
County
District
Attorney's
Office.
E
It
could
also
be
defeating
as
well
to
to
our
team
to
to
seize
and
get
illegal
Firearms
off
the
street.
Only
to
see
that
sort
of
repeat
violent
offender
back
out
there
engaged
in
similar
activity
when
he
or
she
should
be
being
held
accountable
in
are
held
either
without
bail
or
have
the
underlying
open
case
addressed
just
letting
open
cases
just
linger
to
the
tune
of
high
hundreds.
E
Possibly
a
thousand
is
I
think
we
all
collectively
need
to
kind
of
get
our
hands
around
that.
That's
a
that's
a
big
number,
so
I
I
appreciate
your
attention
to
that
and
let
us
know
what
we
can
do
in
addition
to
obviously
supporting
the
grant
funds
but
and
I'll
obviously
work
with
Council
Murphy
Andor
others
to
try
to
kind
of
bring
some
sense
to
those
figures.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
chair.
F
Jen,
thank
you
and
I'm.
I
may
also
be
skipping
ahead
to
sort
of
like
a
working
session,
but
just
wanted
to
say
that
we
just
need
to
like
it's
important
that
this
be
made
public
and
that
we
work
with
Community,
but
also
need
to
make
take
explicit
steps
to
make
sure
that
we're
protecting
the
privacy
of
any
individuals
that
may
be
involved
in
incidents
when
we're
doing
the
reporting
so
just
wanted
to
flag
the
importance
of
of
of
privacy
as
well,
especially
when
it
comes
to
our
victims
and
I
I.
F
A
lot
of
my
questions
were
actually
on
a
line
of
questioning
that
a
lot
of
my
colleagues
have
asked
about
when
it
comes
to
gun,
buyback
programs
and
so
I,
don't
necessarily
want
to
belabor
that
point,
but
one
things
that
I
wanted
to
highlight
is
that
you
know
oftentimes.
They
really
based
around
like
one
event,
but
it
was
also
stated
that
you
know
we
do
we.
We
can
allow
for
gun
buyback
back
throughout
the
year.
I
wonder
how
much
of
that
is
really
publicized?
F
How
much
of
a
good
communication
job
that
we
do
around
letting
people
know
about
the
gun,
buybacks
and
whether
know
I
think
there
have
been
like
SE
several
studies
that,
like
talk
about
the
efficacy
of
gun,
buyback
programs
like?
Is
it
more
wishful
thinking
or
they
do?
They
have
like
an
effect
I
think
that
they
have
an
effect,
if
anything,
to
know
that
you
know
we're
working
in
partnership
with
Community
to
to
really
try
to
reduce
gun
violence.
F
Wonder
when
we
have
these
gun
violence,
when
we
have
gun
buybacks,
are
there
different
locations
or
they
just
at
BPD,
or
do
we
do
them
at
you
know
nonprofits
or
other
locations
where
people
may
feel
more
safe,
safer
to
drop
off
right,
a
potential
weapon
and,
if
not
sort
of
other
reasons,
why
we've
thought
about?
Why
that
isn't
a
good.
I
Approach
so
for
the
last
question:
yes,
we
do
do
them
in
various
locations,
I
believe
there
about
eight
or
nine
locations,
they're,
not
police
stations,
they're,
definitely
within
the
community,
where
it
gives
someone
a
level
of
comfort
that
they
can
come
in
and
that
it's
not
you
know
it's
for
the
lack
of
better
tra
setup.
It's
it's
for
folks
to
come
and
and
turn
in
the
firearm.
So,
yes,
we've.
I
We
want
folks,
you
know
we
are.
We
understand
that
there
are
borders
right
there
are.
There
are
that
there
are
individuals
that
may
not
want
to
cross
certain
streets,
so
we
try
to
make
it
where
we
can
serve
both
communities
or
where
it's
on
neutral
ground.
So
we,
a
lot
of
thought,
does
go
into
it,
but
and
and
we'll
continue
to
do
that
and
the
when
I
say
we'll.
Do
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
in
terms
of
messaging?
We
we
do
I
mean
again,
we
do
it
through
the
radio.
We
do
it.
I
We
we
announce
it
on
the
radio.
We
do
it
through
the
media,
do
it
through
social
media.
We
do
it
through
our
community
meetings
that
we're
constantly
at
but
again
I
I,
think
other
partners
other
than
the
police
right.
Other
folks
need
to
spread
that
word
so
that
you
know
you
can
build
that
credibility
with
that
population
and
that
they
can
come
in
and
and
and
Trust
help
us
help
us
start
building
that
trust
in
some
of
the
areas
where
we're
lacking.
F
F
So
a
lot
of
what
I've
been
thinking
about
like
how
do
we
be
more
of
a
disruptive
force
on
the
platforms
where
we
know
young
people
are
already
engaging,
such
as
Tik
Tok
such
as
you
know,
Instagram
I,
don't
even
know
all
of
them
anymore,
but
are
we
using
those
and
are
we
using
people
who
are
respected
in
those
areas
to
really
help
get
that
message
out?
You
know
happy
to
be
a
thought
partner
and
do
work
in
that
space
to
to
think
about
how
we
cuz
I.
F
Think
that
there's,
even
even
when
you're
not
getting
seeing
a
measurable
decrease
in
in
in
gun
violence
per
se
as
a
result
of
the
gun,
buyback,
there's
important
messaging
that
you're
sending
to
community
when
we
have
them
and
not
just
as
a
program,
something
that's
happening
one
day
and
which
you
know
I,
sometimes
folks
in
community,
came
to
me
about
and
I
wasn't
sure
that
we
reinforced
that
it's
actually
an
ongoing
institutional
part
of
our
practice
when
it
comes
to
compilance.
So
that's
all.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
chair.
A
Thank
you
I
believe,
that's
everybody
who
wanted
a
second
round
I'm,
not
sure
if
anybody
is
looking
for
a
third
round.
If
you
have
your
camera
on,
you
can
just
raise
your
hand
if
you
are
otherwise
I'm
going
to
allow
our
Boston
Police
Department
to
get
back
to
their
regularly
scheduled
day.
I
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
being
here
for
answering
these
questions.
A
We
will
have
a
working
session
to
work
out
the
language
of
this
so
that
it
works
for
all
parties,
so
I'll
make
sure
to
notice
you
all
and
and
make
sure
that
the
appropriate
folks
are
in
the
room
for
that.
I
want
to
thank
my
colleagues
for
their
participation
and
their
questions
and
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
adjourn
us
now,
but
I
I
do
want
to
give
an
opportunity
to
councelor
Flynn
and
councelor
R.
A
B
Out
thank
thank
you.
Mr
chair
for
sharing
this
meeting.
I
will
be
very
brief.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
men
and
women
of
the
Boston
police
department
for
the
incredible
work
they're
doing
every
day,
taking
guns
off
the
street
working
with
residents
providing
critical,
Public
Safety
support
during
this
very
difficult
period
of
time,
I'm
proud
of
the
work
they're
doing
in
their
outstanding
professionalism
as
well.
Thank
you,
Mr.
C
Chair
thank
you,
chair
and
thank
you
to
boss,
Police,
Department
and
I'm,
looking
forward
to
the
to
the
working
session
and
a
lot
of
good
questions
and
thoughts
on
how
we
can
increase
the
safety
here
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
I'm.
Just
looking
forward
to
you
know
not
only
on
this
ordinance,
but
you
know
collaborating
with
my
colleagues
and
and
the
Boston
Police
Department
and
our
community
on
you
know
just
education
and
how
how
we
can
all
be.