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City of Boston Human Rights Commission Public Meeting 12-16-20
A
Certain
provisions
of
the
open
meeting
law
we
are
conducting
this
meeting
online
to
ensure
public
access
to
the
discussions
of
the
boston
human
rights
commission.
The
public
may
access
this
call
through
telephone
video
conferencing.
Members
of
the
public
will
have
an
opportunity
to
provide
comments
at
the
end
of
this
meeting.
A
Everyone
knows
this
meeting
is
recorded,
so
first
order
of
businesses
approval
of
the
minutes
of
november
18th.
Do
I
have
a
motion?
Are
there
any
additions,
emissions
corrections?
B
A
B
A
Emotions
are
the
motion
is
approved.
Okay,
so
we
have
sort
of
a
a
vague
agenda
here
which
we've
changed
some,
but
between
ivandro
and
I
we're
gonna
go
over
sort
of
where
we
are
and
maybe
short
term
over
the
next
couple
of
months,
where
we
hope
to
be
and
to
get
your
advice
and
andrew.
Why
don't
you
start,
and
maybe
you
would
start
with
the
legislative
piece
in
terms
of
both
the
hearings
that
have
been
going
on
about
credit
and
the
other
piece
of
legislation?
That's.
C
Sure
sure
thank
you,
madam
chair
I'll,
skip
a
little
bit
to
my
to
this
point.
Actually,
I
think.
First
of
all
I
want
to
welcome
all
the
commissioners,
and
I
want
to
welcome
members
of
the
public
that
are
present
for
those
particular
public
members
that
are
here,
I'm
ivan
cavallo.
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
commission
to
kind
of
dive
into
the
issue,
particularly
relating
to
legislative
agenda
that
may
be
pertaining
to
our
commission
I'll
start,
first
and
foremost
with
one.
C
That
is
that's
an
issue
related
to
what
we
one
of
the
issues
that
we
that
we
sort
of
targeted
right,
which
is
from
the
beginning.
As
we
know,
the
mayor
wanted
to
focus
on
immigrant
rights
and
and
protection
of
immigrants
in
the
city
of
boston,
and
that
sort
of
you
know
it's
an
ongoing
issue
and
in
fact
a
lot
of
advocates
in
this
space
are
concerned
that
we
may
let
off
this
the
steam
a
little
bit
now
that
we
have
no
potential
administration.
C
So
people
are
excited
about
that,
but
they're
also
concerned
in
that
sort
of
space.
As
you
know,
we've
had
conversations
with
yusuf
valley,
for
instance,
from
the
mayor's
office
of
immigrant
advancement.
We
had
some
leaders
of
the
immigrant,
you
know
non-profit
world
that
came
and
talked
to
us
about
potential
issues,
and
so
we
sort
of
over
the
months
sort
of
been
debating
where
we
can
land
on
this
right.
That
leads
me
to
sort
of
to
talk
about
this.
C
This
thing
that
happened
not
too
long
ago,
which
was
two
last
week,
I
think
literally
I
joined
the
city
council
had
a
hearing
on
this.
Essentially,
the
hearing
was
about
sanctuary
safe
pace
spaces
in
the
city
of
boston,
and
it
was
about
you
know.
What
are
we
doing?
What
is
bpd
doing?
What
is
allowed?
What
is
the
trust
act
and
what
is
the
gap
that
potentially
exists
within
the
trust
act?
Okay,
and
this
is
obviously
as
you've
probably
seen-
and
I
know
we've
had
some
discussions
about
this.
C
Most
recently
we
saw
ice
potentially
stopping
someone
at
west
roxbury.
So
these
sort
of
stories-
it's
that
continued
to
happen
over
this
past
year,
so
this
errand
was
attended
by
yusuf
valley
again
for
immigrant
advancement,
some
bps
folks
to
talk
about
what
bps
is
doing
in
this
space
and
essentially,
and
also
there
were
some
advocates
that
that
that
attended,
the
hearing,
including
your
lowest
committee
for
civil
rights,
if
I'm
saying
it
correctly,
yeah
and
a
few
other
lawyers
in
the
space
and
so
on.
C
So
essentially
the
discussion
was
about
the
trust
act
and
the
fact
that
we've
had
a
couple
iterations
of
the
stress
act
right
it
was.
It
was
created,
I
believe,
in
2014,
and
then
it
was
amended.
I
believe
last
year
and
they're
now
talking
about
potentially
another
one
right
that
you
know
they're
not
happy
with
where
we
are
as
a
city
and
think
that
there
may
be
a
trust
act
3.0
as
they
called
it
in
the
hearing.
A
potential
for
that.
So
it
kind
of
alerted
me
to
this.
C
The
reason
I'm
bringing
it
up
is
because
there
may
be
an
opportunity
for
the
commission
to
to
to
work
on
this
trust
act.
23.2
3.0-
which
I
guess
I
didn't
say
this,
but
this
will
be
next
year
as
in
2021
as
council
is
finishing
up
their
their
ear
and
sort
of
work
right.
They
start
again
in
january,
we're
filing
new
legislations
and
so
on.
C
So
they're
they're
going
to
be
some
action
on
this,
and
what
I
mentioned
to
you
all
before
in
this
that
I
think
we
can
do,
is
sort
of
position
ourselves
where
we
can.
Potentially
we
as
the
commission
can
potentially
enforce
the
the
trust
act
by
not
only
looking
at
what's
required,
of
reporting,
particularly
from
bpd
in
other
places,
but
also
to
potentially
be
a
a
source
of
a
place
where
people
can
go
and
complain.
C
I
think,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
one
of
the
things
that
I've
seen
as
a
gap
here
is
that
we're
sort
of
west
or
the
lion
in
the
agencies
to
sort
of
produce
right
to
to
say
this
to
enforce
themselves.
If
you
will
just
an
extent
right,
I
think
there's
no
mechanism
for
people
to
say
go
right
now
and
say,
for
instance,
I
you
know
my
family.
C
This
happened
to
my
family
at
in
dorchester
and
involved
ice
and
involve
other
other
potential
agencies,
so
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
here
for
us
to
be
the
focal
point
and
potentially
helping
force.
This
trust
act,
and
again
I
mentioned
this
before
they
are
doing
this
in
this.
This
is
not
certain
precedence
in
in.
What's
the
place,
I'm
sorry
in
california,
in
san
francisco,
okay,
they're
doing
that
in
san
francisco.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
we
can
plug
in
to
help
immigrant
communities
now
the
other
component.
C
That's
one
topic
in
in
legislation:
okay
in
ordinance,
if
you
will
in
the
city
of
boston,
the
other
one
that
came
up
again
is
something
that
is
even
more
closer
to
us,
which
is
related
to
credit
bans
in
the
city
of
boston.
Credit
check.
Bands-
okay-
and
I
mentioned
this
a
few
meetings
ago.
C
Essentially,
the
city
council
put
in
a
proposal
to
essentially
change
the
ordinance
of
the
commission,
the
the
human
bossing
rights
commission,
ordinance
to
insert
a
section
in
there
to
say
that
credit
checks
in
the
city
of
boston
cannot
be
used
by
employers
to
determine
any
employment
opportunities,
whether
to
hire
whether
to
advance
someone
and
so
on.
Right,
and
the
reason
this
is
back
is
because
one
as
I
mentioned,
I
actually
attended
a
hearing
on
this
back
in
20
in
october
20th
a
month
or
so
two
months
or
so
ago.
C
Now
last
week
I
was
called
upon
to
go
into
a
working
session,
which
is
another
it's
another
procedure
of
the
city
council
working
session
on
this
issue
right
and
essentially
to
fast
forward.
Actually,
I
just
saw
this
on
twitter.
It
looks
like
the
the
the
city
council
voted
to
pass
this
this.
This
ordinance,
I
just
saw
lydia
edwards-
is
one
of
the
people
involved
in
this.
C
Essentially,
you
know
saying
kudos
to
us
for
passing
this
and
other
legislation,
so
this
is
sort
of
in
front
of
us
now
there
and
the
next
step,
I
think,
is
that
the
mayor
has
the
chance
to
either
that
he
can.
He
can
just
say
no,
he
can
he
can
veto
and
put
and
and
sort
of,
I
guess
counter
offer
some
changes
to
it.
If
you
will
right
so
there's
an
opportunity
still
there,
I
think
for
us
to
be
in
this
space.
I
the
the
margaret
and
I
debated
this
not
debated.
C
It's
had
several
conversations
in
the
space
because
when
I
went
before
the
commission
before
the
city
council,
I
had
to
sort
of
try
to
portray
that
the
commission
could
it
should,
and
we
are
ready
to
to
do
something
on
this
if
it's
past,
but
also
that's
sort
of
up
to
the
mayor,
if
you
will
right
to
decide
whether
he's
going
to
vote
he's
going
to
sign
this,
this
piece
of
allah
or
not
right,
so
I
I
think,
that's
a
fair
assessment
of
the
issue.
One
of
the
pushbacks.
C
I
can
tell
you
from
the
legal
perspective
as
as
in
the
law
department
and
the
city
of
boston,
was
that
potentially
this
can
get
in
a
space
that
violates
conflicting
with
state
laws
of
the
state
laws,
particularly
in
relation
to
a
home
rule
petition
and
as
well
as
interference
with
employer,
employee
relationship
and
again
this
is
the
lawyers
inside
city
hall
saying
some
of
these
things
right.
C
I
was
open
to
sort
of
have
a
chance
to
discuss
with
this
with
you
before
before,
obviously
or
the
date
that
they're
voting
on,
and
they
just
voted
on
so,
but
I
think
that's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
as
we're
going
to
discuss
later
on
actually
on
the
ordinance,
which
is
why
it's
on
here
to
sort
of
think
about
the
ordinance
and
what
does
it
say
and
what
is
it
that
you
know
obviously
there's
other
people,
including
city
council,
which
they
have
responsibility
to
do
so
to
try
to
change
it.
C
But
we
also
can
make
recommendations
and
make
changes.
Make
excuse
me
make
recommendations
to
the
mayor
and
the
city
council
for
making
changes
right
into
into
our
ordinance,
which
is
again
how
the
trust
act
thing
becomes
also
relevant,
because
that's
another
issue
that
we
could
potentially
focus
on.
So
that's
I'm
happy
to
sort
of
pause
here
and
take
any
questions,
because
I
do
understand
that
this
is
sort
of
a
big
update.
C
If
you
will
and
again
I
apologize,
I
didn't
think
that
it
was
going
to
move
so
fast
in
terms
of
what
their
what
what
is
happening
here,
but
the
credit
check
ban
is
because
obviously
we
come
in
what
today
is
december
16th
and
by
the
end
of
the
year.
C
I
believe
the
city
council,
if
this
didn't
pass
the
city
council,
has
to
come
and
and
pass
and
and
put
the
ordinance
again
and
sort
of
go
through
the
process
where
they're
trying
to
push
it
down
and
have
the
mayor
either
sign
or
don't
sign
or
sort
of
debate
that
this
political,
not
political.
But
this
this
issue
go
ahead.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
question
great
question.
I
have
it
here.
I
should
have
mentioned
it.
Essentially,
our
role
would
be
to
sort
of
we
it'll
be
our
authority
to
investigate
those
those
claims.
So
if
someone
in
their
position,
if
they're
trying
to
get
a
job
somewhere
and
something
happens-
and
they
believe
they
were
just
created
against
and
it
had
to
do
with
their
credit
history,
they
can
file
a
complaint
and
it's
our
job
again.
C
At
that
point,
to
engage
our
process
which
again
the
ordinance
itself
sort
of
sort
of
says
what
the
process
within
our
body
is,
but
they
also
included
a
fine,
I
believe,
of
a
hundred
dollars.
I
don't
know
exactly
what
the
language.
Finally,
they
voted
on
today,
but
the
discussions
I
was
a
part
of
they
wanted
to
include
a
fine
of
a
hundred
dollars.
This
is
this
is
obviously
a
big
issue.
It's
an
important
issue.
C
It's
just.
I
think
there
was
some
debates
of
whether
they're
going
to
push
it,
how
much
they're
going
to
push
it,
but
it
seems
like
they're
they're
there
now,
so
it's
more
in
our
court
into
some
extent.
More
so
on
the
mayor's
court
as
well,
so
I
think
we
should
think
about
what
our
opinions
go
ahead.
Grandma.
E
C
C
You
know
I'll
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
that.
To
be
honest,
what
what
the
process
there
is,
I
I
didn't
think
that
they
could
veto
it.
D
C
C
My
god,
but
I
what
what
the
follow-up
will
be
from
this.
Thank
you
margaret
is
we'll
send
you
the
the
language
I
will
find.
The
final
language
will
send
you
the
next
steps
right
where
this
goes
and
when
that
happens
right,
but
that
so
apologize
for
some
of
some
of
the
nuances
of
the
processes
with
the
city
council,
the
mayor,
I'm
not
completely,
I'm
not
there.
Yet.
I
don't
have.
A
So
why
don't
you
let
send
us
a
copy
of
the
of
the
ordinance
and
let
us
know
what
the
mayor
does
and
then,
if
you
would
let
us
know,
I
know
that
he
can
negotiate
with
the
city
council
right.
A
C
A
A
Are
there
other
questions
about
we,
we
don't
have
any
answers
on
this
credit
act
because
we
haven't
seen
it
yet
and
I'm
sure
there'll
be
a
lot
of
questions.
It
does
say
the
enforcement
is
the
human
rights
commission.
I.
B
A
That,
if,
if
the
enforcement
is
a
hundred
dollars,
it's
not
a
very
big
sanction,
I
must
say
there.
C
Were
some
some
legal
reasons
for
that?
Actually,
to
be
honest
and
it
was,
it
wasn't
clear
to
me
what
that
was,
and
I
can
tell
you
I
we
we
looked
at
it
briefly
and
in
new
york
they
did
it
and
it
was,
I
think
it
was
125
000
or
something
for
for
every
violation.
So
and
that's
new
york,
big
city,
new
york,
so
but
but
there
might
be
a
reasoning
behind
the.
E
A
I
I
think
that
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
in
a
pre-meeting
is
talk
about
this
in
terms
of
looking
at
sometime
next
year
about
the
treatment
of
immigrants
and
gathering
some
information
on
the
treatment
of
immigrants
in
boston
and
whether
or
not
we
could
have
a
hearing
on
this.
We
question
whether
immigrants
will
come
forward
right,
but
at
least
maybe
advocates
will
to
tell
us
some
stories
about
immigrant
treatment
and
issues.
A
A
A
Right
right,
so
I
think
what
we
wanted
would
want
to
do
is
is
concentrate
on
what
are
the
issues
that
immigrants
are
facing
and
is
there
any
sort
of
path
for
us
on?
Because
there
is
no
path
for
them
there's
nowhere?
They
can
go
to
complain.
A
C
A
Some
of
you
would
be
swept
up
by
ice
and
based
on
what
you
look
like
right.
A
E
E
B
B
E
B
C
F
C
But
the
trust
act.
What
I
think,
what
makes
the
trust
act
relevant
to
us
particularly,
is
because
we
are
a
boston,
human
rights
commission,
as
I
think
margaret
you've
said
it
in
the
past,
but
and
so
what
ice
itself
does,
which
is
a
federal
agency?
Is
it
it
may
be
beyond
a
capacity
or
beyond
a
perfume,
but
but
the
trust
act
regulates
more
so
than
anything
is
the
spaces
in
which
city
agencies
may
you
know,
may
interact
with
those
federal
agents
or
not
right,
so,
which
is,
I
think,
that's
the
hook
for
us.
C
And
but
the
trust
act
I
should
say,
the
trust
act
is
obviously
bpd
is
at
the
center
of
this
for
obvious
reasons,
but
it
does
sort
of
it
says.
For
instance,
like
I
couldn't
anyone
that
sort
of
works
in
the
cities,
this
city,
department
or
city
space,
you
can't
do
it
right.
C
They
couldn't
come
and
complain
to
us
right,
so
it's
bpd,
but
it's
also
broader
than
bpd.
Does
that
make
sense.
C
What
else
is
anything
else
on
this?
Hopefully,.
H
A
C
C
Okay,
so
the
digital
divide,
you
know,
we've
been
discussing
this
for
several
meetings.
We've
talked
to
do
it
in
the
city
of
boston,
that
is
the
I.t
department.
We
talked
to
some
some
folks
in
the
non-profit
world.
Okay,
I
think
in
the
nonprofit
world-
and
we
learned
a
few
things
at
least
that
I
want
to
put
up
front
one
is
that
the
most
vulnerable
population
in
this
space
include
older
adults,
students,
particularly
in
bps
immigrants
and
those
in
public
housing.
C
C
One
question
that
we
haven't
answered,
I
think-
and
I've
had
some
conversations
with
about
this
with
some
of
you
is
that
we
don't
we
haven't,
got
to
the
percentage
versus
the
breakdown
of
the
disparity
on
the
basis
of
race
or
ethnicity,
for
instance
right
like
how
how
do
we
understand
this
issue
that
impacts
people
based
on
their
race
or
ethnicity
in
the
city
of
boston?
That's
at
least
one
thing
that
I
think
we
can
hopefully
answer.
C
As
we
plan
going
forward,
but
I
I
think
that
going
into
next
year,
some
of
the
things
that
we
can
do
is
first
and
foremost
have
another
medium
potentially
to
bring
bps
in.
We
haven't
talked
about
in
depth
about
what's
going
on
with
the
students
baj
again.
Public
housing
is
another
space
that
we
should.
We
should
meet
with
folks
in
that
space
and
as
well
as
someone
that
can
tell
us
more
about
immigrant
populations
and
how
they're
affected
this
is
the
way
I'm
doing.
C
This
is
looking
at
the
focus
and
the
focus
of
the
vulnerable
people
and
see
how
do
we
sort
of
touch
those
and
the
spaces
of
those
vulnerable
populations?
Okay
and
finally,
we
want
to
also
have
a
hearing
where
we
talked
about
this
in
the
past,
but
potentially
have
a
a
testimonial
sort
of
public
hearing
where
we
can
have
folks
that
have
had
first-hand
issue.
C
Excuse
me
firsthand
knowledge
and
experience
with
this
issue
and,
in
the
end,
wrap
the
topic
up
with
conversations
with
the
folks
with
the
business
world
that
is
verizon,
comcast,
rcn
and
others
to
sort
of
then
lend
hopefully
on
some
some
real
solutions
and
recommendations
that
we
can
report
on
and
hopefully,
by
the
end
of
the
second
quarter,
I'm
thinking
as
we
go
into
as
we
think
about
the
budget
season,
particularly
as
we
go
into
fy
2022.
That
is
by
june
july,
that
we
should
have
something
in
paper
that
can
can
say.
C
C
H
It
go
ahead.
Real
quick
if
I'll
go
sure
is
that
this
is
a
true
tragedy,
because
this
is
20.
We
were
doing
this
20
years
ago
and
and
the
data
has
been
collected
and
it's
there.
The
real
tragedy
is
hearing.
You
say
almost
the
same
numbers
that
we
were
talking
about
20
years
ago,
in
the
same
conversation
of
hitting
with
the
different
internet
providers
and
stuff
like
that,
and
also
how
we
tracked
the
communities
of
color
and
it
was
the
same
identical,
and
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
really
underscore
that
one.
H
It's
not
new
two,
no,
if
it
hasn't
moved,
even
though
the
advocates
back
in
the
day
have
have
moved
on
this.
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
happened
in
the
past
20
years
that
that
sustained
itself
was
the
continuation
of
our
computer,
go
home
projects
where
we
had
the
guests
come
on
at
our
last
meeting,
however,
east
west
foundation
was
a
foundation
that
provided
computers,
get
all
the
data
collection.
I
happen
to
hear
that
during
that
time,
so
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
really
really
underscore.
H
First
and
foremost,
this
is
not
new
and
you
haven't
done
a
damn
thing.
Excuse
me,
no
y'all
haven't
done
a
damn
thing
in
20
years
and
the
issue
is
still
the
same
and
it's
being
even
highlighted
more
with
coded
in
the
way
kids
at
school
today,
I
think
we
really
have
an
opportunity
to
make
some
noise
and
people
can't
say.
Oh
it's
new.
No,
we
had.
H
Conversation
20
years
ago,
with
comcast
with
infinity
all
those
guys
with
the
mayor's
support
at
the
time,
and
still
nothing
has
been
done.
So
I
think
I
think
to
your
point.
I
think
we
have
a
tremendous
opportunity
to
really
make
these
folks
accountable,
because
there's
no
excuse
for
it.
C
A
What
I
will
say
is
if
you
remember
way
back
when
we
sent
you
a
map,
and
there
is
quite
quite
some
information
that
shows
you-
that
black
and
brown
people,
that
is
where
the
lack
of
decent
quality
broadband
is,
and
we
can
use
more
data
to
show
that
no
question
about
it.
But
clearly
that's
where
we're
having
problems,
and
it
is
two
problems.
One
is
broadband
and
two
is
equipment?
A
Is
computers
we've
handed
out
home
chromebooks
for
students
in
bps,
but
you
know
there
are
needs
of
adults
as
well
and
they're
not
getting
chromebooks
from
anybody
or
computers
from
anybody,
and
at
times
you
know,
other
cities
have
collected
computers
from
people
and
refurbished
them
and
and
handed
them
out
and
and
actually
asked
people
to
contribute
them
or
contribute
money
for
them.
That
hasn't
happened
here
with
anybody
in
this.
C
Area
I
agree
100
margaret,
and
I
remember
that
the
the
map
that
you
talked
about
what
I
was
sort
of
alluding
to
the
gap.
There
is
obviously
when
you
look
at
the
map
right,
the
neighborhoods,
particularly
that
are
impacted.
You
can
tell
right.
You
know
we
know
where
people
live
in
the
city
of
boston,
right,
yeah,
but
yeah.
I
think
what
what
I
haven't
seen
at
least-
maybe
maybe
maybe
I'm
mistaken
in
this
space-
is-
I
haven't
seen
a
percentage
that
says
you
know
this.
C
85
percent
of
people
of
color
in
the
city
of
boston
is
is
impacted
by
this
right.
That's
sort
of
percentage
to
sort
of
the
narrative
of
it
to
sort
of
bring
it
out
and
I
think
that's
a
way
to
sort
of
tie
it
particularly.
I
mean.
Obviously
it's
obviously
discrimination
right
right,
but
I
think
beyond
the
obvious,
as
we
create
the
narrative,
I
think
a
particular
one
or
two
data
sets
that
specify
the
racial
breakdown
or
some
sort
of
breakdown
of
that
effect
of
people
of
color.
It
would
be
more
helpful
to
us.
G
D
A
A
Why
did
fiber
opera
stop
at
the
matterpin
border
and
then
go
around?
It
literally
go
around
it
and
the
answer
is
because
we
didn't
think
it
would
be
economically
profitable
for
us
to
go
into
matapan
and
into
those
multi-family
three-family
houses.
I
mean
that
I
mean
I
assume
that's
what
the
answer
is,
but
I
don't
know
I'd
be
glad
to
have
them
answer
that
question.
Why
did
you
stop
at
the
edge
of
matapan?
Why
didn't
you
go
in
there
into
matapan
and
roxbury
and
you
did
it
everywhere
else?
A
So
you
know
yes,
we
could
use
more
data,
but
some
of
the
questions
are
so
obvious.
It's
just
redlining
mortgages.
Yep
right
I
mean
you
see,
people
redlined
and
this
that's
what
we've
got
in
this,
but
you
know
more
data
is
better,
but
at
some
point
you
know
some
things.
A
Some
things
become
obvious,
and
you
know,
as
we
know
today,
kids
are
trying
to
learn
on
their
cell
phones
to
try
to
do
their
homework
on
their
cell
phones
and
it's
a
shame
and
as
we
heard
from
jbs,
you
know
they've
at
least
solved
one
problem.
They
have
a
lending
library
for
computers.
I
mean
one
of
the
things
they've
done,
so
it's
right
so
so
we
have.
A
We
have
sort
of
a
plan
here
in
terms
of
moving
ahead,
hearing
more
information
and
then
asking
you
know
having
the
the
companies
come
in
and
then
we
got
to
find
a
solution.
To
this
I
mean
when
the
guy
came
in
when
mike
lynch
came
in
from
the
city.
A
And
but
I
got
no
sense
of
urgency,
you
know
we've
been
working
on
this,
so
when
is
it
going
to
be
fixed
when
are
you
going
to
when,
when
is
it
going
to
be
fixed,
is
in
the
budget
to
be
fixed
when
and
what
will
it
cost
right?
A
A
And
that's
that's
why
I
want
to
get
to
that
point
for
us
to
be
able
to
answer
that
question
all
right.
So
we're
going
to
set
up
those
meetings
over
the
next
couple
of
months
and
see
where
we
are
and
get
to
a
point
where
we
can
answer
that
question
and
where
we
can
ask
ask
the
city:
are
you
going
to
provide
this
money
to
do
this
and
what's
the
plan,
because
I
don't
think
they
have
a
plan
right
I
mean
I
didn't
hear
one.
Did
anybody
hear
one?
G
One
no,
but
I
was
surprised
that
the
city
has
has
already
implemented
a
plan
on
energy
elect
the
electric
bills,
for
everybody's
are
going
into
one
provider
selected
by
the
city
of
boston.
Unless
you
choose
to
opt
out
right,
so
that's
a
model
yup.
A
That
is
a
model
absolutely
and
they
they
they
could
do.
They
could
do
the
same
thing
here.
They
could,
you
know,
decide
to
negotiate
with
a
provider
and
provide
lower
course,
and
part
of
that
deal
would
be
to
providing
everyone,
quality,
internet
and
and
with
a
sort
of
sliding
scale.
Somehow
they
could.
They
could
do
that.
They
have
the
opportunity
to
negotiate
a
deal
here.
A
H
I
think
if
you
look
in
the
contracts
that
the
city
has
with
all
the
different
providers,
it
says
that,
but
it
says
it
in
theory
with
no
accountability.
That's
right!
I
think
what
really
it
comes
down
to
has
us,
as
a
body
of
of
how
can
we
make
that
accountability
become
alive,
because
because
it
involves
money
and
because
it
involves
a
commitment
from
folks
who
are
making
money.
E
H
H
I
will
reach
out
to
some
of
my
old
colleagues
who
happen
to
still
be
around
over
at
harvard
who
was
doing
some
of
this
work
20
years
ago,
and
I
know
they
might
have
some
stuff
that
might
be
valuable
to
have
this
conversation
with
some
of
the
research
that
they
did
back
then,
but
it
really
it
really
comes
down
to
you
know.
We
know
they
know.
Everyone
knows
the
problems,
they
know
the
issue,
we're
bringing
it
back
up.
H
A
Well
it
it,
then,
then
we
should
really
take
that
burden
on
and
make
sure
they
don't,
and
this
should
be
on
our
agenda.
Every
meeting
is,
what's
the
progress
on
it
and
what
have
we
done?
I'm
I'm
personally
going
to
go
back
to
mike
lynch
and
ask
him
what
is
the
plan
you
came
to
us
and
you
talked
about
this
and
and
mike
what
is
the
plan?
A
A
Let
me
go
on
to
the
next
thing,
which
is
the
police
report.
We've
talked
about
this
and
you
got
though
I
know
it
was
late.
Today
you
got
out
of
their
appendix
susan,
put
together
a
list
of
the
recommendations
and
timeline
out
of
the
police
task
force
report
and
what
we
had
said
is
we
would
sort
of
try
to
serve
as
an
oversight
that
wayne
dodd
and
his
committee
have
been
dissolved
and
the
staff
person
for
the
committee
has
taken
another
job.
E
A
Either
the
staff
person
nor
the
committee
is
here,
they're
gone
so
susan
put
together.
You
know
all
the
things
that
that
and
the
mayor
that
accepted
the
report
and
the
timeline
he
said,
I'm
gonna
do
all
these
things.
The
report
was
accepted
in
november,
the
10th
of
november,
so
the
10th
of
february.
A
Some
of
these
things
are
supposed
to
be
done.
Well,
some
of
these
things
were
supposed
to
be
done
in
30
days,
but
since
we
only
got
it
today,
I
would
suggest
we
look
at
it
and
we
asked
susan
evandro
to
look
at
some
of
the
things.
I
ask
everybody
to
look
at
some
of
these
things,
but
I
think
sometime,
you
know
in
february
at
least
you
know
that's
90
days,
which
is
something
a
lot
of
these
things
were
30
days.
A
Some
of
them
were
60
days,
that's
two
months,
and
some
of
them
were
90
days,
that's
three
months
and
then
there's
longer
term
ones
that
are
six
months,
but
I
love
the
one
that
says
already
in
place:
discipline
consequences
for
a
violation
of
body
cameras.
A
C
E
A
Yeah
the
pilot
was
over.
The
union
never
accepted
it.
The
union
said
it's
supposed.
It's
going
to
be
negotiated
in
the
in
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
and
the
mayor
said:
no,
it's
not
a
collective
bargaining
agreement
negotiation.
A
A
Roe
vs
wade
legislation
sent
that
back,
not
that
I'm
paying
any
attention
to
what
he's
sending
back,
but
he
sent
both
of
them
back
and
so
to
pay
attention
to
this,
and
I
I
would
suggest
that
all
of
us
take
a
look
at
this
and
that
at
some
point
we
should
issue
a
report,
I'm
not
thinking,
we
should
do
it
after
30
days.
You
know
november
10th
december
10th,
because
december
10th
is
gone
or
even
january,
but
I
think
we
should
think
about
you
know
after
three
months,
which
is
beyond
the
60
days.
A
A
I
think
we
should
be
in
the
place
of
the
public
and
represent
the
public
in
terms
of
accountability
for
this
and
actually
that's
what
wayne
said
wayne
bud
when
we
talked
to
him,
he
said
somebody
should
represent
the
public
and
hold
the
mayor's
feet
to
the
fire,
hold
the
city's,
the
the
bps
bps
bpd
and
and
make
sure
that
they
either
reject
or
do
what
is
here
that,
but
at
least
they
respond.
A
So
you
know
they're
supposed
to
be
re
a
lot
of
these
things
they're
supposed
to
be
doing
now.
I.
A
D
D
E
A
A
A
commissioner
he's
a
status
person
right.
He
was
a
staff
person
in
the
mayor's
office.
They
have,
they
have
put
out
a
position
description
for
an
executive
director.
I
know
they've
done
that
ben.
F
So
also
in
late
breaking
news,
I
think
yeah.
F
C
Here
so
thank
you
I'll.
C
F
Ahead,
but
I
think
you
know
hannah's
question
is
really
kind
of
the
fundamental
question
which
is
of
all
of
these
recommendations.
Who
is
supposed
to
do
what
and
I
think
that
once
we
get
a
list
of
all
of
those
whose
I
imagine
like
most
of
these,
it's
the
police,
commissioner,
but
some
of
it
it's
going
to
be
the
city
council,
but
we
should
let
them
we
should
give
them
a
heads
up.
I
think
we
are
planning
on
doing
a
report.
F
We
are
going
to
send
you
a
letter
most
likely
in
february
seeking
you
know.
We
want
you
to
tell
us
about
the
status,
maybe
that
sort
of
helps
move
it
along
when
they
see
that
that
is
coming.
But
we
don't
want
to
surprise.
You
know,
speak
up
on
them
and
and
give
them
the
report
we
want
to
tell
them.
This
is
going
to
be
followed,
because
I
think
you
know
what
we
really
want
them
to
do
is
do
the
things.
A
This
is
not
a
got
you.
This
is
encouraging.
F
F
F
Figure
out
the
whos
and
then
either
evandro
or
the
chair,
or
one
of
us
get
on
the
horn
with
those
people
and
say
this
is
this:
is
the
plan
that
we're
we're
moving
towards.
E
A
A
F
C
So
I
guess
to
go
along
with
this
is
how
I
see
it:
okay,
obviously,
the
mayor
created
this
task
force
and
appointed
the
bulk
of
the
people
and
did
a
press
conference
and
accepted
it
all,
and
I
remember
the
chief
of
police,
not
commissioner
police.
Was
there
the
members
of
the
the
the
board
the
task
force?
Were
there
right?
So
I
think
heavily.
This
is
on
the
mayor
and
the
police
a
lot
of
it.
The
changes
are
with
the
police
right.
C
He
he
announced
in
one
of
the
press
conference
that
he
was
filing
in
ordinance
with
the
city
council
to
create
the
office
of
police,
accountability,
transparency,
okay,
right
and
then
the
other
portion
was
what
ben
just
mentioned,
which
was
to
create
this
first
elvis
civilian
review
board
right
and
to
create
a
stronger
internet
internal
affairs
oversight
panel
right
because
there's
these
three
bodies
that
we're
going
to
be
responsible
for
if
you
will
overseeing
the
work
of
the
police,
the
accountability
and
the
transparency.
So
what
they
voted
on
today
was
this.
C
So
essentially
the
city
council-
and
I
don't
know
again
what
the
final
version
is.
But
the
city
council
voted
to
create
this
opet
office
and
they
voted
to
create
the
civil
civilian
reward
right,
which
is
just
an
extent
within
the
timeline
that
they
act
at
the
that
the
task
force.
Sort
of
said
that
this
should
happen
right
and
now,
I
guess
my
two
cents
beyond
that
on.
This
is,
if
we're
going
to
to
to
play
a
role,
particularly
if
we're
going
to
execute
a
report
at
some
point
right.
C
I
think
obviously,
one
of
the
things
we
are
doing
we
should
be
doing
actually,
as
the
idea
I've
been
doing,
is
sort
of
looking
at
putting
the
timeline
of
what
has
happened.
What
hasn't
happened
right,
look
at
the
30
60
days,
but
everything
was
supposed
to
happen
in
180
days
in
six
months,
which,
to
be
honest,
I've
read
the
report
several
times.
It
is
some
of
the
complexity
of
executing
some
of
these
things.
C
I
think
margaret
you
may
have
as
well,
but
I
think
it
may
make
sense
if
we're
going
that
route
to
sort
of
alert
the
mayor
as
well
as
the
city
council,
if
you
want
and
then
sort
of
keep
track
of
the
things,
maybe
do
a
a
report
right
after
six
months
or
seven
months
to
see
where
we
are
and
then
kind
of
keep
pushing.
C
That's
what
I'm
thinking
that
we
sort
of,
let
the
let
keep
keep
staying
on
it
and
let
it
play
out
in
terms
of
the
recommendations
and
then
say:
okay,
six
months
has
gone
by
not
seven
months.
Eight
months
has
gone
by
this
is
where
we
are.
This
is
what
we
think
should
happen.
More
of
you
understand,
so
I
don't
agree.
You
don't
agree,
okay,
go
ahead.
I.
A
Don't
think
we
should
wait
six
months.
There
are
things
in
here
that
say
they
should
be
done
in
30
days,
60
days
and
90
days.
There
are
very
few
things
that
say
they
should
take
six
months.
I
think
there
should
at
least
be
an
interim
report
after
three
months
or
four
months,
and
I
think
we
should
do
what
ben
said.
We
should
write
to
people
and
say
this
is
what
we
understand.
You're
responsible
for
some
of
these
things
they
say
are
immediate.
That
should
be
done
immediately.
A
You
know
about
it
at
the
police
department.
That
should
be
being
done
now
and
I'd
like
to
know.
Are
they
being
done
now?
So
I
think
we
should.
We
should
do
an
analysis
and
make
sure
we're
correct
and,
and
one
of
the
things
that
reyes
and
I
talked
about-
is
using
grad
students,
umass
boston
and
to
do
some
of
this
work,
and
we
may
need
some
lawyers
too,
as
if
we
don't
have
enough
of
them,
but.
A
But
we've
got
we've
had
volunteers,
people
volunteer
from
bu
and
other
places
bc
where
I
went
even
hobbit.
Other
people
went
and
but
I
think
using
the
students
from
umass
boston
is
a
great
thing
to
do
to
look
at
some
of
this,
and
but
I
don't
think
we
should
wait
six
months.
I
think
that's
too
far
away
and
I
think
we
should
do
it
three
months.
Four
months
give
the
public.
A
A
Very
few
stuck
is
180
days,
so
I
think
we
should
do
an
analysis
of
what
it
what
what
who's
responsible
for
what
and
in
what
period
of
time,
and
we
should
get
people
to
do
that
and
then
we
should
send
out
letters
to
the
people
who
are
responsible.
A
Tell
them
we're
doing
it,
and
here
are
the
things
that
we
assume
we
see
from
the
report
that
you're
responsible
for
and
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
correct
and
have
a
have
a
talk,
discussion
with
them,
and
we
tend
to
do
a
report
by
march
1st
or
whatever
it
is,
and
do
people
agree
with
that.
Does
that
make
sense.
D
G
So
it
is
perhaps
the
report
can
be
brief,
doesn't
have
to
be
an
extensive
report,
but
it
can
also
serve
to
identify
roadblocks
and
what
we
can
do
to
help
along
on
how.
H
A
Well,
I
think
we'll
have
to
figure
out
what
it
is
they're
responsible
for,
so
we
can
hold
them
accountable
at
the
moment.
You
know
it
says
like
for
here
it
says:
boston,
police
department
should
create
a
list
of
zero
tolerance,
offenses
for
immediate
termination
and
probable
officer
list
that
is
publicly
available
within
30
days.
They
should
do
that,
so
they
should
have
already
done
that
right.
Yeah.
B
A
A
A
Really
do
a
very
thorough
and
responsible
job
here
in
looking
at
this,
and
you
know
like
the
bpa,
the
the
bpd
ones,.
G
Well,
I
I
will
certainly,
if
you
allow
me
to,
I
will
contact
a
couple
of
students,
graduate
advanced
graduate
students,
and
I
will
need
some
language
about
exactly
what
we
want
and
a
time
frame,
and
I
can
work
with
them.
Okay,.
A
A
A
Yeah-
and
I
think
we
we
should
do
this
at
our
january
meeting-
have
that
list
ready
and
be
ready
to
to
ask
the
police
commissioner
to
respond.
B
I
see
my
belief
is
that
we
should
send
him
a
letter
now
asking
him
to
give
us
a
report
on
the
30-day
and
the
60-day
promises
on
january
10th,
because
this
is
not
you're
not
going
to
wait
till
january
10th
to
do
it.
They
should
be
in
the
process
of
doing
those
30
and
60
day
requirements
right
so
give
us
a
report
of
where
you
stand
on
me.
E
H
But
it
gives
us
it
gives
us
time.
We
clearly
understand.
This
is
a
very
sensitive
topic
with
the
police
department
of
giving
up
this
type
of
information.
So
the
sooner
we
ask
for
it,
the
more
we
can
be
proactive
in
terms
of
interacting
with
somebody
starts
to
delay
the
process
of
giving
us
access
to
this
material.
I
mean
to
judge
harris's
point
I
think,
asking
for
it
now
versus
later
I'm
and
I'm
I'm
being
very
optimistic
that
everything's
gonna
go
smooth
and
everything
they're
gonna
give
us
all
this
wonderful
stuff,
that's
a
crop.
H
A
F
F
I
think
that
some
outreach
before
a
letter
from
a
relatively
unknown
corner
of
city
government
to
the
police
commissioner,
would
be
appropriate.
I
think
that
I
I
agree
with
leonard
that
that
that
that
is
our
leverage
and
they're
gonna
see
the
writing
on
the
wall,
which
is
that
come
march.
F
There
will
be
a
report,
maybe
we'll
color
code,
it
green,
yellow
and
red,
and
if
there
are
just
like
a
whole
bunch
of
blank
squares
for
the
police
department,
because
they
refuse
to
provide
any
information
on
that
or
we
just
color
everything
red
that
they
don't
give
us
information
on.
F
You
know
and
nobody
wants
a
bunch
of
red
marks
next
to
their
to-do's.
A
A
My
assumption
is,
we
won't
hear
anything,
that's
my
assumption,
but
I
don't
know
I
mean
could
be
optimistic.
We
could
hear
everything
I
think
the
next
step,
then,
is
to
send
him
a
letter
with
the
list
of
all
the
things
that
he's
responsible
for
and
when
and
ask
him
to
respond
to
each
of
them
and
and
then
in
that
to
tell
him
that
we're
doing
a
report
and
we
would
appreciate
his
you
know
his
support
in
answering
these
okay.
H
E
E
A
I
guess
have
my
understanding
now.
Is
that
we're
talking?
Let's
see
if
I'm
right,
that
we're
talking,
I
talked
to
evandro
a
long
time
to
see.
If
I
could
get
this
down
was,
does
boston
have
resources
for
black
men
who
have
suffered
trauma
in
their
lives?
Is
there
anything
or
anywhere
they
can
go
any
kind
of
resources
that
exist
here
and
should
there
be,
and
what
should
there
be?
E
H
What
should
it
be?
I
mean?
Currently,
I
mean
a
lot
of
us
was
doing
a
lot
of
street
work
and
we
worked
with
robert
who
was
doing
post-traumatic.
H
He
was
doing
post-traumatic
stress,
trauma
response
teams
building
in
the
city
which
transferred
into
the
trauma
team,
that's
over
at
boston,
public
health,
commission
now,
but
and
but
that's
normally
from
extreme
traumatic
things
that
have
happened,
I.e,
homicides,
I.e,
fires,
I.e
pretty
pretty
severe
instantaneous
things,
but
there
hasn't
been
something
that
that
that's
related
just
from
the
trauma
of
of
racism,
the
trauma
of
microaggressions
that
happen
every
day,
the
trauma
of
of
discrimination,
there's
nothing
per
se
in
place.
For
that
right
I
mean
we
have.
H
We
know
we
have
substance
abuse.
We
have
youth
violence,
prevention
programs,
but
nothing
where
it's
associated
with
an
ill
when
I
say
ill
I.e
something
to
do
I.e,
homicide,
but
just
living
in
an
environment
where,
because
of
the
pillar
of
your
skin
and
the
trauma
that's
associated
with
that,
along
alongside
with
infant
mortality
with
black
women.
Why
there's
infant
mentality-
and
I
know
you
know
about
this
problem-
is
in
terms
of
restriction
of
the
veins
and
arteries
of
the
racism
that
happens
and
that's
why
infant
mortality
is
very,
very
hot.
H
So,
on
that
same
vein,
what
do
we
have
for
men
currently
other
than
sports
and
and
fellowship
and
church?
There
hasn't
been
something:
that's
really
been
targeted
that
you
don't
have
to
be
quote.
Unquote:
narcotics,
anonymous,
quote:
unquote,
survivor,
homicide,
you're,
just
a
person
right,
judge
harris
who
happens
to
be
a
black
man,
but
deals
with
the
trauma
and
stress
every
single
day
of
being
a
black
man
living
in
this
society.
E
H
Would
say,
there's
nothing
that
I
know
of
avondale,
maybe
you
might
know
just
ask,
you
may
not
might
know
what
I
know
of,
or
I've
ever
funded
that
really
centered
around
it.
A
Provide
something
in
terms
of
you
know
an
event
or
two,
or
are
we
trying
to
determine
what
should
exist
in
boston
as
a
resource?
H
H
Unless
you
live
it,
and
I
think
it
becomes
important
that
we
put
it
up
front,
have
those
conversations
to
have
that
dialogue
and
I
hope
and
pray
that
through
this
bringing
it
up
front
and
talking
to
the
folks
who
have
been
up
front
on
the
ground
over
the
past
fifty
hundred
years,
that
people
will
start
to
take
it
much
more
serious
and
it's
not
an
excuse
for
behavior.
H
It's
it's
it's
it's
real
and
how
do
we
make
it
real,
because
it's
a
human
rights
issue
around
the
trauma
and
stress
that
that
black
men
have
to
deal
with
so
with
with
the
conference
and
the
piece
that
we
want
to
put
together?
It's
really
about
acknowledgement,
it's
really
about
putting
it
up
front,
it's
really
about
teaching,
but
it's
also
about
healing,
because
you
know
part
of
the
healing
process
to
me
is
just
acknowledging
acknowledging
that
it
exists.
A
So
you're,
seeing
it
as
information
education
and
maybe
an
opportunity
for
black
men
to
also.
A
H
H
They
were
setting
themselves
up
to
be
to
be
killed
by
police,
and
so
now
suicide
by
top
is
considered
a
way
of
suicide
yeah
and
it's
been
acknowledged
by
the
national
suicide
association,
the
black
suicide
association
out
of
out
of
washington
dc,
so
it
that,
in
that
same
vein,
that
was
a
thing
of
just
a
conversation.
But
when
people
brought
it
up
to
the
surface,
it
started
to
get
the
the
the
the
value
that
it
was
needed.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry.
B
No,
I'm
just
going
to
say
you
know
there
are
a
number
of
different
folks
talking
about
this
issue.
There's
no
coordinated
discussion
most
of
the
time
when
it's
done
it's
not
led
by
black
men.
It's
not
led
by
the
folks
who
have
suffered
right,
the
issue
to
suffer
through
the
issue.
What
I
want
to
see
happen
is
that
we
get
a
discussion
started
that
people
would
start
saying.
We
need
to
study
this
more.
B
A
B
But
see
some
of
us
that
wouldn't
have
happened
to
because
we
know
how
to
deal
with
the
cops
from
life
experiences
right
right.
But
the
point
that
I
guess
I
was
trying
to
make
is
that
it's
so
common
yeah
like
me,
yeah,
we
don't
even
talk
about
it.
Right
live
with
it
yeah
I
think
about
the
anger
and
the
rage,
even
that
I
sometimes
felt
in
my
life
that
was
never
been
addressed.
B
I
I
often
wondered
what
some
of
the
folks
that
I
had
anger
issues
with
what
would
have
happened
if
I
had
come
across
them
most
of
it
was
from
chicago
before
I
got
here
as
a
young
man,
so
I
was
sort
of
removed
from
it
right,
but
you
never
leave
it.
You
know,
and
you
don't
realize
how
you're
reacting
sometime
as
a
result
of
a
prior
trauma.
That's
right,
and
I
think
we
need
to
address
that
because
I
think
it's
one
of
the
feeders
yeah
and
for
the
criminal
justice
system
right.
H
H
I
said
what
they
look
like
they
had
on
suits.
Okay,
all
I
thought
about
was
the
cops
coming
to
my
house,
kicking
my
door,
I'm
a
community
activist.
Everybody
knows
me,
everybody
and
I
start
to
freak
out
with
my
cut
and
then
he
goes
oh
gotcha
and
I
was
like.
I
don't
think
that's
funny.
You
know
just
think
of
the
mindset.
H
A
Of
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here,
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
here
so
so
people
can
recognize
the
issue
and
and
and
that
particularly
for
black
men
that
that
it
be
recognized,
it's
a
real
issue
and
and
acknowledge
it.
Okay,
all
right
and
we
have
a
date
in
january.
H
C
Okay,
so
let
me,
let
me
add
a
couple
things
here.
If
I
may,
to
be
honest,
this
issue
is
one
of
no
issue.
I
don't
know
what
to
call
it.
This
topic
right,
it's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
thought
perhaps
we
wouldn't
get
into
the
bpd
stuff
right
away.
I
mean
reality.
Is
we
have
to
execute
these
things
right
and
when
we
we
just
talked
about
three
or
four
or
five
big
things
that
we
hope
to
accomplish
within
the
next
six
months,
and
the
reality
is,
is
that
we
do
have?
C
Obviously,
hopefully
we're
gonna
get
the
students
to
help
out,
but
I
don't
want
to
until
something
maybe
other
people
putting
words
in
my
mouth,
because
I've
heard
it
before
is
that
if
we
come
out
the
gate
and
we're
sort
of
in
different
spaces
right
trying
to
execute
things
with
a
short
staff,
we
may
fall
short
in
things
right.
My
real
concern
is
that
is
that
you
know.
Digital
divide
is
a
big
thing
to
to
work
through
and
marginalization
of
black
males,
lee
and
judge.
C
You
know
we've
been
debating
and
discussing
and
moving
forward,
and
we
got
this
event
in
30
days
to
execute
right
and
but
he
takes
real
details
to
to
do
a
good
job
at
like
we
got
this
immigrant
stuff
with
with
the
trust
act
that
we
just
talked
about
right,
police
reform
task
force.
These
are
big
bites
right
and
I'm.
E
C
Being
obviously,
my
position
is
to
execute
what
you
want,
but
I
also
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
if
we
come
out
the
gate
with
with
a
lot
of
big
stuff,
it
may
kind
of
all
get
like
this
and
me
and
susan
trying
to
do
it
and
and
so
on.
Right,
and
so
I
I
want
to
kind
of
express
some
of
that,
because
that
was
part
of
why
I
thought.
C
Maybe
we
could
wait
with
bpd
a
little
bit
and
play
out
some
of
the
things
we
want
to
do
with
black
man
and
if
we
are
going
to
do
it
right.
If
you
are
going
to
do
this
one
event
in
january
and
then
perhaps
maybe
do
a
meeting
in
the
spring
and
so
on
and
maybe
culminate
to
an
event
of
sorts
that
makes
sense.
But
the
conversations
are
valid
with
you
particularly,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
things.
C
We
want
to
do
right
away
right,
so
I
wanted
to
kind
of
just
put
that
out
there
as
we-
and
I
think
actually
chief
crockett
might
have
said
this
to
both
you
and
I
chair
margaret-
is
that
you
know
when
we're
coming
off
the
gate.
We
need
one
or
two
things
to
sort
of
say
this
is
what
we're
here
to
do
right,
but
I
think,
if
we're
doing
different
things,
when
we're
not
coming
with
the
bang,
we
don't.
Hopefully
we're
gonna
hire
an
outreach
coordinator
soon.
C
So
we're
gonna
pick
up
some
of
the
stuff
and
work
on
long
term,
but
you
know
I
am
a
little
concerned
about
packing
too
many
things
coming
right
in
2021
with
the
two
staff
that
we
currently
have,
but
I
want
to
kind
of
put
that.
B
H
Okay
and
at
least
at
at
minimum-
and
I
agree
with
you
ivanka
in
terms
of
not
wanting
to
have
all
these
different
things,
but
it
at
least
will
be
informed
either
they're
doing
it
or
they're
not
doing
it
because
of
the
bpp.
H
That's
a
huge
public
issue
and
that
has
been
on
the
forefront
for
many
many
many
many
many
many
years
and
now
our
mayor
has
made
a
decision.
It's
going
to
be
real
and
going
to
be
happening.
So
therefore
people
are
going
to
look
at
us
at
least
of
that
we've
acknowledged
and
try
to
get
information.
If
we
get
it,
we
get
it.
We
don't
we
don't
and
and
take
it
from
there.
As
judge
harrison
said
if
it
comes
back-
and
it
says
everything
is
fine
and
go
rolly
goalie,
that's
wonderful!
H
G
I'd
like
to
also
say
director,
carvalho
that
I
I
know
you
only
you
know
yet
just
two
of
you
for
all
these
things,
but
you
should
also
count
on
me
and
I
am
sure,
on
the
other
commissioners
put
us
to
work
I'll,
be
I'll,
be
happy
to
work
with
the
students,
and
I
would
be
happy
to
I've
been
one
of
the
things
I
miss
and
I
I
would
really
want
to
have.
I
want
to
be
reading
more
about
the
issues
of
the
city
of
boston.
I
G
Visualize
some
of
the
issues
neighborhood
my
neighborhood,
and
I
understand
that
susan.
You
cannot
be
doing
that,
but
perhaps
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
can
have
our
the
graduate
students
doing
the
research
for
as
sending
it
to
us
and
then
it's
up
to
the
commissioners
to
do
the
homework.
G
But
we
I
I'm
going
to
speak
only
for
myself.
I
want
to
be
better
informed.
I
want
to
be,
I
know,
and
I
know
I
can.
G
A
I
mean
that's
the
one
thing
this
has
a
time
frame
on
it.
It
says
30
days
60
days,
90
days.
If
we're
going
to
be
effective,.
A
A
I'll
talk
to
mike
lynch
about
the
digital
divide
and-
and
we
got
to
find
somebody
who
can
do
more
work
than
my
own
son
did
on
the
data
he
collected
and
ben.
I
know
he
sent
you
some
extra
stuff
in
the
tool
he
worked
on
and
and
maybe
he
can
find
someone
else
who
has
those
same
skills
to
we've-
got
to
find
somebody
who's.
A
data
analyst
big
data
person
who
can
do
the
kind
of
things
that
brings
it
down
to
small
data.
A
To
give
us
better,
and
maybe
there
are
people
raised
in
your
program
who
can
and
who
can
manipulate
the
kind
of
data
that
michael
used
and
get
it
more
defined
and.
A
Well
and
I'll
have
michael
send
you
the
data
he
sent
ben
the
tools
he
used
to
do
it
and
that
will
help
define
what
we
could
use
in
terms
of
the
digital
divide
stuff,
because
I
do
think
finding
out
by
race
the
number
of
families.
If
we
can
get
that
data
more
refined
would
be.
G
H
There
is
something
there's
some
national
and
local
data
that
the
previous
two
research
has
done.
Also
there's
a
couple
other
resources,
I'll
I'll,
find
them
and
shoot
them
over
to
you
and
they've
developed
tools
that
they've
been
using
in
boston
mapping
out
different
areas
and
stuff.
Like
that,
I
I
know
the
boston
foundation
did
something
too
I'll
make
a
phone
call
over
there.
A
We
we
went
to
everybody
here
really,
in
fact,
the
math
that
michael
did,
we
were
told,
is
the
best
map
that
they
have
wow,
that
mike
lynch
and
the
boston
foundation,
people
and
tech
goes
home
said
this
is
the
best
thing
I've
seen
that's.
H
A
Well,
somebody's
gonna
have
to
take
what
he
did
and
then
you
know
do
a
more
sophisticated
version
and
tease
out
more
information.
So
I
you
know
people
loved
what
he
did
and
and
we're
glad
to
have
it.
And
so
that's
why
we
know
there
isn't
much
that
exists
yeah.
A
I
know
wow
yeah,
but
if
you.
E
A
I
don't
want
to
discourage
you
if
there's
anything,
I'm
not
saying
that
I
looked
everywhere
and
I
could
have
missed
some.
Don't
get
me
wrong.
So
if
you
think
there
is
something
around
that
we
can
use,
please
send
it
to
me
or
let
me
know
all
right,
so
we
need
some
help
right.
We
definitely
need
some
help
and
and.
A
And
one
of
the
things
is
about
the
data
stuff
and
the
other
thing
is
about
the
police
stuff
and
the
police
stuff,
I
think,
is,
is
it
is
just
common
sense.
I
don't
think
we
need
criminal
justice,
people
or
police
lawyers,
because
I
think
it's
just
common
sense.
Really.
I
think
the
thing
that
needs
sophisticated
skills
is
the
is
the
digital
divide,
deep
dive?
Okay,
those
are
sophisticated
data
analysis
skills,
okay,
not
not
easily
findable
ben.
You
looked
at
it.
Don't
you
think,
that's
right!
That's
it's
sort
of
harder
to.
F
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
look
at
the
additional
info
he
said,
but
yeah
I
mean
there's
got
to
be.
I
think
there
is
some
more
work
to
be
done.
Yeah
I
mean,
but
also,
if
we're
gonna
have
a
hearing,
we
need
a
body.
A
person
to
comment
I
mean
like
there's
got
to
be
somebody
that
explains,
I
know
what
went
into
this
chart.
This
is
why
it
says
what
it
says,
and
that
probably
should
not
be
your
son.
F
E
A
Outside
the
expert
graduate
student,
it's
fine
somebody
who
has
those
skills
absolutely
and
maybe
what
I'll
do
raise
is
have
michael,
send
you
the
package
and
yeah
whatever
graduates
you.
A
So
yes,
okay,
that'll,
be
good.
Is
there
anything
else
we
did
a
lot
and
we
and
what
we'll
need
to
do
is
figure
this
workload
in
terms
of
the
ability
here
to
manage
it.
If
we're
gonna,
do
the
police
report
in
the
digital
divide
and
we're
going
to
do
black
males
and
trauma
we'll
have
to
everybody
will
have
to
understand
the
balance
here
in
terms
of
the
workload
so.
E
A
Right,
minneapolis,
okay,
so
we
just
we'll
hire
some
temporary.
You
know
consultants
to
help
us.
We
got
the
money.
Let's
do
it.
Let's
find
some
people
to
help
us
great.
A
Yeah
all
right,
so
members
of
the
public
will
now
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
and
provide
public
comment
to
do
so,
raise
your
hand
or
type
your
question
in
the
chat
in
the
application
via
the
zoom
meeting
platform.
If
you
are
calling
in
and
cannot
use
the
platform,
you
can
press
nine
to
raise
your
hand
or
you
can
send
your
questions
to
staff
via
email
at
susan
henley
at
boston.gov.
E
Yeah,
I
just
so
it's
alana
she
should
be
on
one
second.
G
So
alana
you
do
have
two
minutes.
I
will
time
you
so
go.
E
I
A
C
We've
margaret
briefly,
we
we
did
talk
to
elena.
We
talked
to
her
in
the
past
and
I've
actually
susan
and
I
both
met
with
her
so
we'll.
C
Certainly-
and
I
think
she
actually
no-
I
think
she
organized
the
event
over
at
umass,
which
the
commission
attended
and
talked
about
human
rights
cities.
C
I
My
my
background,
I
have
a
phd
in
global
inclusion
and
social
development,
and
my
dissertation
was
specifically
on
immigrants,
rights
and
specifically
their
right
to
work
and
other
human
rights.
So
my
my
specialty
and
my
theoretical
frameworks
that
I'm
utilizing
in
my
research
are
human
rights
and
human
capability
based
so,
and
I've
been
involved
with
the
initiative
to
sort
of
resume
boston
as
a
human
rights
city
since
2015,
so
I've
I've
been
really
really
anxious
to
to
get
involved
in
whatever
capacity.
I
So
I'm
open
I'm
right
here,
I
even
have
a
sign
right
there
that
says:
welcome
to
boston,
a
human
rights
city
right
there
super
passionate
and
ready
to
work.
So
use
me:
okay,.
G
A
So
much
is
there
anybody
else,
susan
nope,
that's
it!
Okay,
all
right!
So
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
some
move
for
a
second
all
in
favor,
aye,
aye,
so
happy
holidays.
I
think,
what's
today,
wednesday
tomorrow
is
the
last
night
of
hanukkah.
I
think
right
and.
F
Today
is
also
international
human
rights
day.
E
A
I
actually
wrote
something
for
it.
I'm
gonna
send
it
to
you
see
what
you
think.
I
actually
sat
down
and
tried
to
write
something
to
celebrate
international
human
rights
day,
but
I
got
so
depressed
in
terms
of
trying
to
think
of
something
to
celebrate,
but
I'm
going
to
send
it
all
to
you,
I'm
going
to
send
you
what
I
wrote
anyway.
H
Make
a
quick
announcement
yeah!
Absolutely!
I
just
wanted
to
make
announcement
to
everyone.
If
you
know
any
groups
or
organizations
churches
neighbors
who
need
math
hand,
sanitizer
gloves,
don't
please
give
me
a
call
I'll
bring
them
to
you.
You
can
meet
me
somewhere.
It
could
be
from
one
mass
to
a
thousand
mass,
I'm
in
the
business
of
giving
it
up
free.
H
H
G
Because
I
think
there'll
be
people
who
will
take
you
up
on
that.