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A recording of an online meeting to answer questions related to the WWII Memorial, O'Reilly Monument and Evans Way Bridge portions of the Back Bay Fens Pathways Project.
B
In
Congress
good
evening,
everybody
and
welcome
thank
you
for
joining
us
tonight
for
our
Back
Bay
fence
meeting,
that's
going
to
focus
on
the
World
War
II
Memorial,
the
O'reilly
monument
and
the
Evans
way
Bridge.
My
name
is
Lauren
Bryant
and
I'm.
The
project
manager
for
Boston
parks
for
this
project.
Before
we
jump
into
the
project
just
want
to
go
over
a
couple
of
things.
B
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everybody
knows
that
we
offer
translation
and
interpretation
services
for
our
meetings.
No
one
requested
those
for
this
evening,
so
this
evening's
meeting
is
going
to
be
in
English
only,
but
if
anybody's
interested
in
that
in
the
future,
they
can
email
us
or
reach
out
to
us
to
request
that
and
I'll
put
my
email
address
in
the
chat
for
everybody.
In
a
little
bit,
we
always
get
asked
how
people
can
view
the
meetings
if
they
weren't
able
to
join
us.
B
So
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
knows
that
this
evening's
meeting
is
being
recorded
and
will
be
available
on
our
project
website.
Within
about
a
week.
We
also
will
have
the
presentation
and
the
meeting
minutes
on
there
as
well.
So
if
any
of
you
guys
have
missed
any
of
the
past
meetings
that
we've
done,
those
are
all
up
to
date
on
the
project
website
too.
I'll
drop
that
in
the
chat
for
you
guys
in
a
little
bit
as
well.
B
So
for
tonight
we'll
introduce
the
project
team
and
we'll
do
a
project
status
and
recap
of
where
we
have
been
so
far.
What
we've
talked
about
at
our
prior
meetings
and
then
tonight
we're
going
to
present
some
conceptual
drawings
for
three
specific
areas
within
the
Back
Bay
fence
Park.
As
we
talked
about
some
of
our
past
meetings,
this
park
is
so
large
and
has
so
many
different
aspects
in
it
that
we
really
can't
talk
about
at
all
in
one
meeting,
which
is
why
we
broke
it
out
into
some
specific
themed
meetings.
B
So
tonight
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
World
War,
II
Memorial,
the
O'reilly
monument
and
the
Evans
way
bridge
and
after
each
of
those
specific
presentations,
we'll
stop
and
discuss
each
of
them
answer
questions
get
feedback,
then
that
way,
you're
not
trying
to
remember
your
war
memorial
comments
until
we're
all
the
way
done
with
Evans
way
bridge
and
then
at
the
end,
we
can
Circle
back
to
any
of
the
specifics
that
we
want
to.
After
we've,
been
through
all
three
sections.
B
So
the
project
team,
as
I
was
saying,
my
name
is
Lauren
Bryant
and
I'm.
The
project
manager
for
Boston
Parks
Kyle
zick
is
with
kzla
Landscape
Architects
and
they're
the
lead,
Landscape,
Architects
and
designers
for
this
project
and
he's
joined
by
Jay
Lee
from
his
office
tonight,
and
then
we
also
have
Elena
supporta
with
Esla,
and
she
is
with
us
to
present
the
Evans
way.
Bridge
portion
of
the
project
tonight.
B
We
also
get
asked
a
lot
about
how
decisions
are
made
in
the
Parks
with
the
design
process,
so
we
always
just
like
to
show
this
I
know.
Those
of
you've
been
with
us,
have
seen
this
several
times,
but
it's
important
for
those
who
don't
know
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
go
into
that
design
process
in
terms
of
city
of
Boston
priorities,
Parks
and
Recreation
goals,
safety
guidelines
and
Regulatory,
and
that's
there's
a
lot
of
that
here
in
Kyle.
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
as
well.
B
Not
only
do
we
have
Ada,
we've
got
Conservation
Commission,
we've
got
landmarks
commission.
We
have
Arts
commission
that
we're
working
with
we've
got
a
lot
of
jurisdictional
issues
that
are
all
at
play
when
we're
making
decisions
so
that
that's
just
for
you
guys
to
understand,
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
it.
But
really,
really,
importantly,
is
the
community
input
and
that's
why
we're
here
and
why
we're
doing
all
of
these
meetings?
Is
you
guys
use
this
park?
B
B
B
B
B
So
this
is
like
I
said:
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
we've
been
working
with
on
this
project
and
a
lot
of
different
stakeholders.
So
here's
a
list
just
for
you
guys
I'm
not
going
to
read
them
all,
but
just
for
everybody
to
understand
sort
of
the
the
amount
of
communication
and
collaboration.
That's
happening
on
this
project
and
has
been
happening
and
is
going
to
continue
throughout
the
the
entirety
of
the
project.
B
So
here
we're
going
to
talk
about
some
of
the
city
of
Boston
priorities
that
we
were
mentioning.
These
are
things
that
we
look
at
throughout
all
different
departments,
not
just
the
parks
department,
climate,
resiliency,
Health,
addressing
Equity.
Those
are
all
really
important
in
decision
making
for
our
parks
and
then
Parks
and
Recreation.
Specifically,
we
look
a
lot
at
accessibility,
diversity
in
terms
of
efficient
uses
and
mix
of
uses
in
the
park
and
also
like
I,
said
that
meaningful
and
inclusive
community
engagement,
because
that's
really
why
we're
here
tonight.
D
All
right
thanks
a
lot
so
just
as
a
little
bit
of
background
in
context
for
the
overall
project,
and
this
is
aptly
named,
The
Back,
Bay
fence,
Pathways
project.
So
we
are
focusing
on
Pathways
throughout
the
city
of
boston-owned,
Back,
Bay
fence
Park,
and
what
we
do
is
we
look
at
the
condition
of
these
paths
if
they're
accessible
how
water
drains,
what
materials,
how
they're
appropriate
for
longevity,
but
also
in
a
Historic
Park.
So
that's
the
analysis.
We've
been
doing
we're
starting
to
make
recommendations
and
tonight,
like
Lauren,
said
we're
focusing
on
three
areas.
D
So
here
is
a
map
of
the
entire
Park
Park
Drive
on
the
upper
part
Fenway
on
the
side
and
Edge.
The
Museum
of
Fine
Arts
is
here.
That's
Agassi
road
coming
through
the
muddy
river
is
the
Blue
Ribbon
and
then
other
landmarks
like
Clementi
field,
the
Kelleher
Rose
Garden,
the
War
Memorial,
the
Victory
Gardens,
but
we'll
talk
about
the
O'reilly,
the
War
Memorial
in
the
Evans
way.
Bridge
tonight.
D
So
I
mentioned
ownership
and
and
a
lot
of
times
well
as
a
park
user.
It
doesn't
matter
at
all,
but
for
the
purposes
of
this
project
it
does
matter
who
owns
the
land.
So
we
have
a
dark
orange
that
is
the
ring
around
the
entire
park
and
that's
state-owned
Department
of
Conservation
and
Recreation,
including
the
edges
of
Agassi,
Road
and
then
City
of
Austin
Parks
Department.
Is
this
lighter
orange
and
the
dark
gray
is
the
trust
office,
which
is
the
war
memorial
parcel.
D
A
D
D
D
A
A
D
Area,
you
know,
with
a
architectural
feature,
with
statuary
seating
and
Radial
pavement
coming
from
the
memorial
and
there's
flagpoles
on
either
side
of
it
with
its
age.
You
know
70
some
odd
years
old,
there's
condition
issues
and
we
have
to
think
about
building
code
and
accessibility
regulations.
So
just
from
a
condition
standpoint,
if
I
you
all,
can
see
my
cursor.
D
Some
of
these
stairs
are
a
concern:
the
dimensions,
the
height
of
the
Riser
and
the
width
or
the
depth
of
the
tread
isn't
consistent,
which
it
is
supposed
to
be
plus
the
radial,
so
they
taper
from
a
narrow
point
to
a
wider
Point
there's,
also
no
handrails
here
and
the
condition
of
the
blue
stone
on
the
stairs.
Isn't
all
that
good?
D
There's
concerns
with
the
stairs
leading
up
to
the
upper
part
of
the
monument
the
risers.
There
aren't
consistent
either
they
go
from
five
inches
to
eight
inches
to
ten
inches.
The
blue
stone
generally
is
an
okay
condition.
It
certainly
needs
some
repairs.
The
mortar
joints
need
to
be
repaired
in
some
locations.
D
It's
been
up
for
quite
a
while
now,
but
the
idea
is
that
we
want
to
make
this
Memorial
accessible
without
a
temporary
ramp,
to
build
something
that's
integrated
into
the
landscape
that
doesn't
take
away
from
the
original
design,
but
provides
that
access
to
the
upper
and
lower
levels
of
the
memorial
so
up
here
and
to
the
mid-level
and
below
and
I'll
explain
that
more
there's
all
kinds
of
very
specific
condition
issues
you
know
so
there's
staining
on
some
of
the
historic
masonry.
Some
of
the
mortar
joints
are
failing
a
like
a
granite
baseboard.
D
D
There's
an
irrigation
system,
there's
a
kind
of
homemade
control
box
behind
the
memorial
that
we'd
like
to
make
more
secure
and
more
permanent,
and
then
there's
pretty
severe
Paving
issues
around
the
Korea
and
Vietnam
memorials
where
they
tried
a
Terrazzo
pavement
around
these
bronze
inlays
and
it
just
is
not.
It
has
failed
and
it
needs
to
be
replaced.
D
So
that's
showing
that
more
there's
already
been
patches,
but
there's
a
concern
that
it's
going
to
delaminate
or
fail
completely
and
it
could
also
make
the
bronze
susceptible
to
being
stolen
or
damaged
lighting
is
something
else
we're
looking
at
because
right
now,
it's
really
just
flood
lighting,
not
too
much
difference
in
sports
field,
lighting,
it's
for
General,
Safety
and
Security,
and
it's
not
LED
or
modern
fixtures.
So
it's
not
efficient.
D
So
for
as
we
keep
going
talking
about
the
war
memorial,
we're
going
to
start
to
think
about
it
from
this
plan
view.
So
I'm
going
to
start
with
this
air
photo
just
to
orient
everyone,
because
you're
going
to
see
plans
that
look
like
this.
But
we've
talked
about
the
memorial
itself.
The
upper
and
lower
level,
those
blue
stone,
stairs,
I
started
with,
and
then
this
Inner
Circle
and
then
there's
radial
paths
leading
out
to
another
Circle,
and
then
they
have
the
Korea
and
Vietnam
memorials.
D
There
are
shrubs
large
shrubs
at
the
entrance
and
at
the
edge
and
then
that
large
tree
I
mentioned
the
willow
is
here
and
then
the
rose
gardens
off
here
to
the
edge
the
muddy
river
off
to
the
right
and
above
so
the
things
we're
looking
at
are
some
of
the
things
I
pointed
out
in
photos.
Do
we
remove
or
replace
these
shrubs?
D
We
were
going
to
replace
the
paving
and
do
some
other
repairs
at
the
Korea
and
Vietnam
memorials,
replace
the
lighting
provide
universal
access
in
the
localized
masonry,
repairs,
replacing
that
irrigation
controller
and
what
I
didn't
mention
in
the
photos.
There
are
some
shrubs
that
overhang
this
walkway
and
cause
pedestrians,
bikes
and
even
maintenance
vehicles
to
go
off
the
path
that
then
causes
wear
and
tear
on
the
landscape,
and
these
shrubs
are
really
kind
of
obsolete,
because
I
think
they
were
part
of
a
an
older
idea
that
isn't
really
doesn't
have
integrity
anymore.
D
So
now
we're
going
to
get
into
specifics
of
accessibility
options
and
we
had
we've
studied
nine
options
so
far,
I
think
there
were
more
that
didn't
even
make
this
cut,
but
the
idea
is
we're
trying
to
explore
ideas.
That
I
said
are
an
alternative
to
that
temporary
ramp
that
are
integrated
well
into
the
design,
and
we
want
to
minimize
the
use
of
handrails.
D
So
there's
not
a
lot
of
visual
clutter
and
we
want
it
to
be
a
route
that
we
feel
that
will
be
used
by
everyone,
not
feeling
like
it's
secondary
or
something
like
that.
So
I'm
gonna,
just
I'll
briefly
talk
about
all
nine
we're
going
to
focus
on
three
after
that.
But
the
idea
is
that
we're
exploring
different
things.
So
if
you
can
see
this
just
for
orientation,
we've
got
the
war
memorial
here.
D
I've
changed
the
orientation
of
the
drawings,
the
muddy
rivers
to
the
left,
the
rose
gardens
to
the
right
in
the
Korea
and
Vietnam
memorials
are
here.
So
the
first
idea
was:
can
we
kind
of
play
off
that
radial
idea,
but
not
mimic
it
and
have
an
accessible
path
to
the
lower
level
and
the
upper
level?
D
But
that's
important
that
distinction's
important,
because
if
you're
at
the
upper
level,
you'd
have
to
go
back
out
and
then
take
the
other
path
to
the
lower
level.
So
it's
kind
of
a
Securities
route
and
to
note
that
those
paths
didn't
line
up
with
the
outer
ring
of
this.
So
we
had
an
improvement
where
we
lined
up
with
the
outer
ring.
D
So
if
you
have
this
radial
idea,
a
path
continues
and
you
can
go
to
the
upper
level
or
the
lower
level
and
if
you're
at
either
one
of
those
you
can
get
to
the
other
one
fairly
easily.
Without
going
all
over
option,
six
was
actually
putting
a
constructed
ramp,
a
Switchback
right
up
against
the
memorial,
we're
not
in
favor
of
that,
because
we
feel
like
it
really
starts
to
be
heavy-handed
and
it
detracts
from
the.
D
What's
special
about
the
architecture
option,
seven
was
a
variation
on
that
where
we
started
to
pull
that
away
from
the
memorial
a
little
bit.
We
feel
like
it
wasn't
all
that
successful
and
then
eight
had
an
idea
that
you
still
had
that
path
to
go
to
the
upper
or
lower
level,
but
really
swung
out
heading
toward
the
river
and
had
the
landscape
between
those
paths
just
to
give
it
a
little
more
space
and
option.
D
So
there's
different
views
and
you
start
to
get
a
sense
of
us
raising
the
grade
to
get
to
that
upper
level.
We
bury
some
of
the
stairs
to
do
that.
It's
a
reversible
approach
so
that
those
stairs
would
still
be
there
if
we
wanted
to
remove
that
fill
and
then
the
path
to
the
lower
level
is
here
so
I'll
go
through
the
multiple
viewpoints
fairly
quickly,
but
you'll
get
a
sense
of
it
from
different
angles.
We're
also
showing
a
suggestion
of
handrails
being
added
to
the
stairs
and
to
the
edge
of
the
memorial.
D
So
then
the
option
five
continues
that
that
Circle
circular
form
switches
back
and
allows
you
to
make
a
decision
to
go
to
the
upper
level
or
the
lower
level
and
if
you're
on
either
one
of
those
you
can
fairly
easily
get
to
the
other.
And
this
is
deliberately
on
the
Riverside
of
the
memorial
so
that
on
the
Rose
Garden
side,
you
still
feel
that
monumentality
that
the
memorial
sticks
up
from
the
ground
and
you
can
see
the
different
tiers.
D
D
E
D
D
This
is
the
view
of
that
option,
as
you
approach
it
from
the
rear
of
the
memorial
and
you
just
get
a
sense
of
that
land
form
in
the
fill.
So
really
from
this
view,
you
don't
even
see
much
of
the
path
itself,
it's
more
of
the
side
slopes,
so
continuing
with
war
memorial
ideas.
This
is
specific
to
the
shrubs,
so
the
upper
left
image
is
a
model
of
what's
there
today.
So
there's
you
and
deciduous
shrubs.
D
That
line
the
outer
ring
of
the
memorial
and
we've
heard
from
you
in
past
meetings
that
people
can
hide
behind
the
shrubs
trash
collects
there.
Stuff
is
hidden,
there
rodents
those
kind
of
things.
So
it's
a
concern.
It
was
part
of
the
original
design
intent,
but
the
issue
is
that
the
shrubs
have
been
allowed
to
grow
so
they're
four
feet:
high
and
10
feet
wide
I,
don't
think
they
were
ever
intended
to
be
of
that
scale.
D
So
what
are
the
options?
You
know
option
one
here:
you
can
remove
the
shrubs
you
know
and
that
that
solves
a
lot
of
the
different
concerns
we've
heard,
but
it
does
take
away
from
the
original
design
intent,
providing
that
edge
to
the
space.
Another
option
would
be
to
remove
the
existing
shrubs
replant
either
with
the
same
species
or
another
that
would
be
would
naturally
grow
smaller
and
stay
at
that
height
and
still
line
the
whole
edge
of
the
memorial.
D
So
then,
the
last
thing
to
talk
about
is
lighting.
We
don't
have
very
specific
design
recommendations
yet,
but
we
want
at
least
wanted
to
get
some
feedback.
We
could
do
more
than
just
flood
lighting
here.
You
know
it
could
be
architectural
accent
lighting
with
spotlights
that
could
be
aimed
very
deliberately
at
the
architecture
and
the
space
in
general.
We
could
light
the
flags
and
some
of
the
architecture
with
some
smaller
scale
fixtures.
B
F
I'm
here,
I
think
steam
just
a
little
bit
about
myself.
I
was
a
former
board
member
of
Fenway.
Civic
I
was
a
resident
for
fun,
with
fun
and
Fenway
for
over
20
years,
and
in
the
past,
I've
worked
with
the
brown
fund
and
Joe
Byrne
in
this
area
here
and
we
had
the
you
know:
I've
got
some
quite
some
history
with
this
area
here,
so
I
have
a
few
questions.
F
D
Let
me
talk
about
that
before
you
go
on
your
next
point,
so
several
arborists
for
the
the
City
Arborist
has
actually
looked
at
that
tree.
I
know
at
least
going
back
to
2013
and
then
has
continued
to
look
at
it
and
it's
true
to
a
lot
of
Willows.
They
break
apart
right
and
they
re-sprout
and
they
break
apart
and
they
re-sprout
it's
weak
wooded.
They
never
really
die,
they're,
not
graceful.
You
know
in
terms
of
how
they
continue,
but
that
tree
should
continue
to
go
on
and
on.
F
D
F
In
regards
to
the
shrub,
the
shrubs
that
are
around
the
existing,
they
use
I
agree
with
all
those
points.
As
far
as
trash
folks,
stashing
things
inside
of
there
I
would
love
to
see
them
replant.
It,
as
is
I,
do
think
that
maybe
I
do
feel
that
it
does
frame
the
memorial
in
a
good
way.
It
kind
of
introduces
it
and
it
it
just
frames
it
from
the
park.
F
So
I
would
love
to
see
that,
but
speaking
about
that
in
the
future,
if
any
sort
of
new
plantings
were
to
happen
at
the
war
memorial
is
that
the
brown
fund
that
would
maintain
that
or
is
it
parks,
would
it
be
just
regular
maintenance
that
happens
because
I
know
in
the
past
I've
had
to
open.
You
know
three
well
before
3-1-1
but
contact
the
city
to
try
to
get
those
pruned,
and
usually
it
was
somebody,
let's
say
from
the
Rose
Garden
want
to
come
over
and
do
it.
B
Any
new
shrouds
would
be
maintained,
I
believe
through
the
parks
department.
We
will
double
check
that,
but
that's
part
of
why
Kyle
was
saying
if
we
replanted
it
with
something
new,
the
plan
would
be
to
replant
it
with
a
species
that
would
stay
smaller
so
that
it
didn't
need
the
same
type
of
pruning
that
the
current
use
do.
F
Perfect
and
then
in
regards
to
the
in
the
past
I
know:
we've
had
some
major
flood
events
that
say
maybe
10
years
ago,
those
two
catch
basins
that
are
around
the
prim,
the
the
circular
Center
I,
know
the
outfall
for
those
drains
go
really
are
opposite
of
the
the
the
gate
houses.
If
you
go
back
to
your
map
at
the
beginning,
where
it
says
0.4,
it's
it's
basically
there
on
the
edge
and.
F
F
Think,
regardless
of
what's
put
into
place
down
for
Hardscape,
there
tends
to
be
a
lot
of
water
that
ponds
there
and
I
actually
have
photos
of
it
completely
entire
circular
Center
flooding
to
about
you,
know
two
three
feet
of
water,
so
that
that's
a
concern
with
anything
we
do
going
forward
is
what
does
it
look
like
and
I
know
if
it's
draining
up
to
the
to
the
river
if
the
river
Rises?
That
also
isn't
impacted
as
well,
so
not
sure
if
that's
been
discussed
as
well.
D
E
D
Also
in
communication
with
the
Army
Corps,
the
project
manager
for
the
muddy
river
Phase
2
project,
but
I'm
glad
you
shared
the
your
observation
of
the
amount
of
flooding
the
depth.
You
know
two
to
two
feet
or
so
in
that
area.
I
hadn't
heard
that
so
we
can
pass
that
on
to
the
civil
engineers,
okay,.
F
F
F
The
polls
are
not
in
good
shape.
I
would
love
to
see
some
more
uplighting
of
the
monument
itself
and
not
so
certain
about
just
having
flood
lighting,
because
I
know
when
we
have
flood
lights
like
that,
it
kind
of
implies
that
the
Park
is
open,
but
we
also
want
to
be
safe
as
far
as
the
path
that's
there
that
leads
to
the
Footbridge,
so
I
would
love
to
see
more
up
lighting
to
kind
of
highlight
them.
F
B
H
B
I
They
cut
it
down,
but
they
left
the
trunk
about
10
feet
high
and
now
it's
totally
a
full
tree
which
I
love
personally
I
know
it
doesn't
look
the
best,
but
for
those
of
us
who
have
been
here
forever-
and
you
know
it's
has
a
lot
of
personality
and
it
keeps
coming
back
so
definitely
would
hate
to
see
anything
happen
to
it.
The
shrubs
are
way
overgrown,
there's
a
lot
of
needles
in
them
and
all
kinds
of
stuff,
so
smaller
shrubs,
maybe
less
shrubs,
would
be
good.
I
Originally,
the
rose
gardeners
would
take
care
of
maintaining
the
memorial
and
then
it
was
their
bosses
that
in
the
past
some
years
have
been
telling
them.
No
don't
do
anything
outside
the
actual
rose
garden.
So
now,
sometimes
of
course,
every
holiday.
Where
there's
going
to
be
veterans
at
the
memorial
they
Spruce
it
up
and
then
it's
totally
neglected
and
I
know
Eddie
the
current
Gardener.
I
It
would
be
more
than
happy
to
be
there
and
be
weeding
and
pruning,
but
his
bosses
are
telling
him
not
to
so,
and
that's
been
true
for
some
years,
so
that
needs
to
be
worked
out
because
originally
it
was
always
the
rose
gardeners
who
took
care
of
it
and
did
a
great
job
and
they
were
happy
to
do
it.
So
I,
don't
know
exactly
what
the
politics
is
there,
but
that
needs
to
be
worked
out.
That's.
B
It
thank
you,
Lisa
I,
appreciate,
hearing
that
background
on.
You
know
who
had
been
taking
care
of
those,
and
we
Kyle
and
I've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
with
our
maintenance
crews
out
in
the
park,
and
we've
also
been
having
a
lot
of
conversations
with
the
trust
office
about
the
memorial
as
well,
because,
obviously
they
they
own
it
so
we'll
make
sure
that
those
conversations
about
what
happens
after
this
project
moving
forward
happened.
And
then
we
can
maybe
report
back
out
on
that
at
our
briefing
that
we
have
later.
Okay.
A
D
Want
to
pick
up
on
the
one
comment
about
flooding
any
one
of
these
options
that
adds
fill
will
have
to
compensate
for
that
fill
because
we're
in
a
flood
plain.
So
imagine
you
know
we
add,
fill
put
a
path
on
top
of
it
that
provides
the
accessible
route
we
have
to
take
the
equivalent
we
have
to
excavate
somewhere
else
in
the
park,
the
equivalent
amount
of
that
fill.
So
we
don't
have
any
change
in
flood
storage
capacity
in
the
park.
E
D
E
Five
and
nine
okay,
when
I
looked
at
this
I,
disliked
two
a
lot
from
this
plan
view.
But
of
course,
the
park
user
never
sees
the
plan
View,
so
I
actually
think
the
rendering
that
you
showed
for
two
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
Although
you
hadn't
actually
made
that
point
about
needing
to
compensate
for
any
excavation
that
that
would
require,
but
personally
I
actually
ended
up
liking,
two
and
nine
better,
two
nine
five
in
that
quarter.
E
If
that's
helpful
another
thing
and
I
sh,
you
haven't
mentioned
this,
but
I'm
going
to
assume
that
this
has
gone
into
your
thinking
and
if
not
I'd,
just
like
to
put
in
a
plug
for
it
is
I've
always
found
this
section
of
the
park
really
discourage
him,
because
it's
so
different
from
the
Olmstead
plan,
and
you
know:
there's
a
ball
field:
they're,
they're,
tennis,
courts,
there's
a
basketball,
not
tennis,
court,
basketball,
courts!
There's
you
know
Clementi
field.
E
Maybe
instead
of
those
you
know,
trimmed
sculptural,
shrubs,
there's
kind
of
a
more
naturalistic
a
species
that
does
the
same
thing
doesn't
get
as
big,
but
also
just
looks
less
like
it's.
You
know,
dropped
in
from
outer
space,
which
some
of
those
things
do
at
this
point.
So
another
funny
thing
on
the
lighting
is
again.
You
didn't
mention
this,
but
I
know
you're
good
at
what
you
do
so
I
assume
you
were
thinking
about
it.
E
This
the
whole
issue
of
light
pollution
from
flood
lighting
and
up
lighting
and
Architectural
lighting
I
think
we
need
to
be
I
think
we
should
do
our
best
to
minimize
light
spill.
That
comes
from
the
lighting
for
this
for
this
area
and
keep
things
really
focused
as
much
as
we
can
on
the
ground
and
not
shooting
off
into
the
sky.
D
D
Enhance
the
place
from
an
architectural
standpoint,
but
and
then
control
light
pollution.
I
wanted
to
get
back
to
your
comment,
though,
about
the
the
landscape
character,
because
we
have
to
be
a
little
careful
when
we
talk
about
the
Olmstead
design
here,
because
the
Olmstead
design
there's
very
little
integrity
and
very
little
left
of
it.
You
know
what
you're
seeing
is
a
shirt
Cliff
design
from
the
1930s
and
40s.
While,
yes,
he
was
a
protege
of
the
olmsteds
when
he
was
designing
this,
the
formality
was
purposeful.
D
You
know
the
Rose
Garden,
adding
Clementi
field
because
of
the
community
needs
at
the
time
war
memorial
is
post
his
design,
but
you
know
it's
not
unusual
for
something
that
you
know
he
would
have
done
so
and
in
their
own
right,
the
war
memorial,
the
Rose
Garden,
are
historic.
So
when
we
go
to
landmarks
they're
going
to
say
well,
you
know
we
really
need
to
think
about
the
original
design
of
the
war
memorial
and
not
what
Olmsted
would
have
done.
You
know
in
terms
of
the
memorial,
because
he
wouldn't
have
wanted
them
more
right.
E
J
I,
oh
I,
lowered
my
hand,
I'll
try.
If
I
was
reading,
the
chats
I
was
really
happy
to
see
a
lot
of
people
were
going
in
the
direction
that
I
was
thinking
which
was
towards
option
nine
I
liked
the
symmetry
of
the
option
two
but
I
think
for
a
wheelchairs.
The
thing
that
I
thought,
with
both
option
five
and
option
two
is
option.
J
Okay,
all
right
and
then
number
five
had
like
a
lot
of
pretty
extreme
angles,
and
just
imagining
going
that
way
on
a
wheelchair,
it
seemed
like
a
lot
of
turns
to
get
to
the
place.
So
that
was
my
comment
for
the
access
I,
also
liked
how
there
were
guard
guards
implemented
in
all
of
those
designs,
because
the
one
thing
I
do
think
of
with
permanent
Rams
is
how
it
might
be
used
or
not
used
by
skateboarders,
so
in
the
design
portion
of
of
the
implementation.
J
Just
thinking
about
anything
that
could
deter
the
speed
while
also
accommodating
wheel
wheelchairs
would
be
great
in
yeah.
Just
a
couple.
Other
comments,
I
liked
the
idea
of
having
those
shrubs
because
I
think
it
formalizes
the
area
but
agree
with
what
everyone's
saying
about
something
that
is
is
lower
and
then
with
the
lighting.
Is
there
a
possibility
to
do
two
types,
so
the
uplighting
that
you
displayed
as
well
as
that
is
it
called
iron
lighting?
That's
more
directed.
J
C
Yeah
I
have
just
one
question,
and
this
has
come
up
before
the
issue
of
Excavating
in
landfill
and
Wetland
and
having
to
balance
that
out,
and
my
question
is,
with
all
the
excavation.
That's
been
done
with
the
muddy
river
restoration
project,
the
removal
of
the
phragmites,
the
Landscaping
and
the
just
dredging
of
the
channel.
Does
that
not
count
as
removal
of
material
which
would
give
us
a
pretty
good
license
to
fill
in
other
places?.
D
C
D
C
E
H
H
Certainly
no
expert
but
I
feel
like
what
I've
heard
about
Universal
Design
is
that
the
accessibility
should
in
some
way
mimic
the
experience
of
folks
without
Mobility
impairments,
so
on
option.
Two
and
sorry
the
picture
is
no
longer
showing
up
for
me,
but
it
might
just
be
my
phone
where
you
have
the
path
to
the
upper
level
of
the
memorial.
H
Is
it
possible
to
have
just
a
little
Branch
off
of
that,
because
I
feel
like
the
organic
way
to
view
the
memorial
is
like
you're
looking
at
it
one
way
and
someone
would
go
down
the
steps
to
the
other
one
I.
Don't
know
if
I've
been
explaining
this
well,
but
does
that
make
sense
of
like
the
right
hand,
path
to
the
upper
Branch?
If
someone
were
to
just
briefly
switch
back
and
there
was
a
branch
to
the
lower.
D
B
B
Makes
sense
and
they're
all
good
questions
and
that's
part
of
the
challenge
is
because
there
are
the
three
levels
in
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
get
everybody
to
all
the
levels
which
they
can't
right
now,
but
then
also,
if
you
want
to
go
from
one
level
to
the
next
level,
how
do
you
do
that
without
having
to
go
all
the
way
back
around
so
there's
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
little
intricacies
there.
Okay.
B
C
K
D
Concrete
path
is
in
poor
condition,
as
you
know,
so
it
needs
to
be
replaced.
The
emerald,
necklace
master
plan
says
that
any
concrete
path
that
gets
what
the
standard
path
in
the
emerald
necklace
Park
should
be
asphalt
and
that's
as
a
general
path.
You
know,
I
know,
there's
exceptions,
stone,
dust
and
other
things,
but
in
the
thinking
behind
that
was
that
it's
a
darker,
color
and
recedes
in
the
historic
landscape
versus
concrete,
which
feels
a
little
bit
more
modern.
K
Yeah,
but
you
know
the
master
plan
is:
is
the
master
plan
in
this
case
it
is
concrete,
so
yeah.
Why
is
that
not
historically
part
of
something
that
would
need
to
be
retained
with
Conservation
Commission,
for
instance,
it's
consonant
with
the
stonework
and
the
the
monument,
and
it's
also
consonant
with
with
with
the
juncture
of
the
DCR
path,
which
is
scored
concrete,
so
it
seems
to
me
like
it
ought
to
remains,
scored,
concrete
and
not
be
relegated
to
Asphalt
I.
Think
it's
improper
to
have
that
path.
K
Asphalt,
I
hope
it
will
be
considered
a
little
bit
more
aesthetically
and
historically
to
replace
concrete
like
for,
like
the
other.
That's
that's
I
think
that's
important,
but
the
other
comment
I
take
that
you
can
take
it
with
a
grain
of
salt
is
I.
Think
that
the
lighting
I
I,
guess
it's
LED
whatever's
there
now
is
ugly
I
mean
the
color
of
the
lighting
is
ugly.
It's
harsh
and
it's
Unbecoming
to
a
soft
Park.
So
I,
don't
like
the
the
color
of
the
lining
there
and
I.
K
Don't
know
what
for
taming
that
into
a
softer
color
I
mean
I
know
it
serves
a
purpose
there
to
make
it
maybe
sort
of
inhospitable
at
night,
which
it
is
unless
it
doesn't
matter.
If
you
know
about
Aesthetics,
if
you're
hanging
out
on
the
concrete
at
night,
but
I
would
think
that
we
would
want
to
start
out
with
something
a
little
more
aesthetically
consistent
with
the
with
the
park.
D
A
K
You
might
want
to
figure
out
what
the
light
waves
do
to
plants
there
in
all
those
LED
things,
I
mean
if
there's
a
different
Botanical
effect
on
plantings
from
one
particular.
It
sounds
like
I
know
what
I'm
talking
about,
but
wavelengths
or
or
whatever,
because
I
mean
I
think
there.
It
is
not
without
impact
that
the
lighting
affects
trees,
so
yeah.
B
Thanks
Freddie
I
appreciate
that
and
Kyle
Marco
had
a
question
in
the
chat
regarding
the
concrete
as
well.
That
was
saying
they
repaired
specific
pads
of
concrete
versus
full
replacement.
Can
we
keep
the
concrete
and
I
know
you
did
a
specific
analysis
of
the
quality
of
each
of
the
pathways?
So
I
don't
know
if
you
can
answer
that,
one
specifically
about
individual
panels.
D
B
A
A
D
B
And
Marco
just
to
double
check,
I'll
call
Kyle's
pulling
this
up
because
it
still
isn't
showing
up
yet
there
it
is
Kyle.
The
asphalt
is
not
about
any
Vehicles.
It's
it
really
truly
is
about
the
asphalt
receding
into
the
landscape
and
historic
in
historic
Landscapes,
and
that's
what
the
landmarks
commission
is
really
going
to
look
at
when
we
go
forward
with
them
is
looking
at
that
master
plan.
So,
yes,
we
can
take
a
look
at
what
those
are,
but
just
to
clarify
it's
not
about
vehicular
load
on
pathway,
materials.
B
D
B
D
Here's
a
photo
which
is
interesting
when
you
start
to
look
at
it
and
see
all
right.
What's
different,
we
do
have
a
curb
separating
the
monument
Plaza
from
the
sidewalk.
The
post
and
chains
are
not
around
the
base.
There's
some
different
planting
and
obviously
this
planting
is
fairly
young
at
the
time
compared
to
what's
there
now.
This
is
1910
1915.
D
So
what
are
some
of
the
things
we're
concerned
with?
You
know
we
start
just
looking
at
the
site
in
general.
The
disabilities
commission
would
not
allow
this
Granite
Paving
to
be
the
public
sidewalk.
If
we
were
to
pose
this
now
it
doesn't
meet
Ada
or
mab
regulations.
So
that's
a
concern
to
actually
have
an
accessible
route
to
the
monument
itself
would
be
something
we'd
want
and
then
there's
condition
issues
with
pavement
and
also
some
wear
on
the
side
of
the
sidewalk,
which
is
fairly
narrow
here
in
a
heavily
trafficked
area.
D
D
There's
also
some
masonry
issues
the
stone
benches
here.
There's
some
open
mortar
joints,
there's
some
staining.
There's
some
cracked
pieces
and
I've
already
mentioned
the
granite
pavers
and
the
joints
there,
which
there's
some
tripping
hazards,
but
also
it's
just
not
compliant,
and
the
detectable
warning
Tiles
at
the
curb
ramp
have
large
voids
around
the
edges,
and
some
of
the
pavement
in
a
lot
of
different
places
is
important
condition
so
think
about
this
in
planned
View,
and
this
is
the
Fenway
meeting
Boylston
Street,
and
this
is
that
turning
Lanes
traffic
Island.
D
D
So
the
concerns
are
some
of
the
things
I've
already
highlighted
in
photographs,
but
the
sidewalk
material
is
a
concern.
The
lack
of
access
between
the
sidewalk
in
the
plaza
there's
desire
lines,
people
want
to
shortcut
and
go
off
the
sidewalk
onto
the
landscape
area
to
get
to
this
crosswalk
and
that
really
has
worn
down
the
landscape.
It's
just
bare
Earth
and
then
there's
a
desire
line
also
from
the
back
side
of
the
monument
to
this
stone
dust
path.
D
People
shortcut
there,
so
we
have
four
different
options
here
to
talk
about
tonight
and
you
know:
I've
got
all
of
them
summarized
here:
I'll
go
through
them
one
by
one
in
more
detail,
but
the
idea
is
that
we're
trying
to
solve
those
issues
that
I
just
described,
making
the
public
sidewalk
accessible
improving.
How
do
we
deal
with
the
desire
lines
to
shortcut
to
the
crosswalk?
Do
we
encourage
or
discourage
the
desire
line
to
this
path?
D
That's
to
the
side,
and
how
do
we
make
this
accessible
and
the
differences
are
just
so
where
I'm
pointing
now
is
the
monument
in
the
public
sidewalk
is
where
my
hand
is
now
we
could
remove
that
curve
that
separates
the
sidewalk
in
the
plaza
to
make
them
one.
But
to
do
that,
this
is
light
gray.
Shading
indicates
we'd,
be
repaving
the
road
to
bring
that
all
up
to
be
able
to
get
rid
of
that
curve,
and
that
is
multi-jurisdictional.
You
know,
because
we
have
city
of
Boston
land,
DCR,
land,
DCR
land.
D
Another
idea
would
be
to
keep
some
of
that
curve
that
exists
today,
but
have
breaks
in
it
to
have
an
accessible
access
route
on
either
end
of
the
Plaza,
and
then
the
pavement
could
be
widened
on
either
side
of
the
curb
ramp
just
to
accommodate
that
amount
of
flow
that
we
see
there
bikes
pedestrians,
and
we
could
encourage
the
connection
to
that
pathway
by
adding
stairs
a
subtle
change.
You
know
we
still
have
in
option
C
here.
D
And
then
another
idea
would
be
kind
of
back
to
similar
to
B
having
the
stairs
to
encourage
that
connection.
There's
a
curb
here,
similar
to
option
C,
but
then
the
sidewalk
is
widened
more
because
of
the
volume
of
traffic.
We
see
here,
plus
I'm,
seeing
tire
tracks
that
maintenance
Vehicles
aren't
able
to
get
through
this
area
without
going
off
the
sidewalk.
D
So
I'll
go
through
each
one
of
these
and
just
provide
a
little
bit
more
detail
than
what
I
just
did
so.
This
option
A
gets
rid
of
the
curve
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
plaza,
so
that's
all
accessible
sidewalk
to
Plaza
and
back
and
forth,
but
it
means
repaving
the
road
bringing
that
up
the
six
inches
or
so
that
the
grade
change
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
plaza
that
exists
today
and
it
it.
The
good
thing
is:
it
doesn't
affect
drainage
because
there's
sufficient
catch
basins
in
here.
D
But
it's
still
it's
an
involved
bit
of
work
and
in
this
case
we're
discouraging
and
blocking
off
the
connection
to
the
trail.
The
pathway
in
the
back
option
b
has
the
accessible
route
on
either
end
of
the
plaza
retains
some
of
that
curve
and
widens
the
pavement.
The
dashed
line
is
the
existing
pavement,
so
you
can
see
we
just
add
a
little
bit
more
pavement
to
funnel
people
to
that
crosswalk
and
we
add
a
stair
which
would
have
handrails
on
it
to
make
that
connection
and
more
variations.
A
D
Them
on
the
sidewalk,
the
concern
there,
of
course,
is
you
know
just
the
Stray
car
hit.
It
does
someone
trip
on
it.
Do
people
shortcut
even
sooner
or
does
a
maintenance
vehicle
take
this
out
and
then
because
there's
other
barriers
here
having
a
barrier
at
the
back
here
and
then
the
concept
D
similar,
but
we're
widening
the
sidewalk.
The
dashed
line
again
is
the
existing
width
so
extending
the
pavement
for
those
maintenance,
Vehicles
the
pedestrians
and
the
bikes
all
to
get
through
this
area
or
to
the
crosswalk.
D
F
Yeah
I
was
looking
at
the
looking
at
these,
and
you
know:
we've
got
that
crosswalk
right
in
front
of
the
monument
and
I
feel
like
once.
You
see
folks
coming
out
of
Fenway
on
a
game
night
or
concert
whatnot.
They
it
just
the
volume.
That's
at
that
intersection
to
get
to
that
Island
I
feel
as
there's
always
going
to
be
a
lot
of
folks
that
are
going
to
be
just
kind
of
backing
into
the
the
monument
area
and
when
you
looked
at
all
these
and
it
came
up
with
these
proposals-
was
take
into
consideration.
F
F
I
think
we're
always
going
to
see
this
always
be
a
Dusty
Barren
area
all
the
way
over
the
bridge,
as
you
get
to
the
Fenway
Gardens
or
the
victory
garden.
So
I
mean
concept.
C
I
enjoy
the
fact
that
it
seems
like
it
can
handle
more
volume,
but
I
also
feel
like.
It
looks
like
a
mass
of
just
concrete
and
there's
there's.
No,
it
doesn't
really
take
the
traffic
of
the
pedestrian
traffic
away
from
protecting
this
Monument,
because
I
could
just
Envision
no
curb
there.
F
It
just
kind
of
opens
up
to
just
I.
Don't
know
it
just
I'm
concerned
about
keeping
this
protected
in
a
way,
but
still
functional,
but
I
also
feel
like
that.
Crosswalk
is,
is
just
you
know,
you
know
not
the
best
spot
and
it
can
never
really
handle
a
volume
that
exists
in
in
this
meeting
area,
so
just
overall
thoughts,
it's
tough
to
even
say,
which
is
the
best
right
now,
but
I
do
think.
F
J
I
know:
I
said
this
in
in
the
previous
time
that
I
got
to
see
this
but
I
think
with
the
concept
of
widening
the
paved
area
in
item
a.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
traffic
with
Red
Sox,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
cyclists
that
come
in
there,
but
I
know
one
of
the
concerns
had
been.
If
you
open
up
that
area,
will
people
increase
their
improper
Crossing?
J
You
know
outside
of
the
The
Pedestrian
crosswalk
Zone,
and
my
impression
is
that
yeah
they
would,
and
that
would
not
necessarily
be
a
safe
thing
to
do
same
thing
with
enclosing
areas
with
chain
link
I
think
sometimes
the
crowds
just
press
so
strongly
that
limiting
them
in
that
way
could
also
pose
a
danger
and
the
point
about
maintenance.
Vehicles
is
a
good
one
too,
because
it
does
get
messy
in
the
winter
time.
J
So
for
that
reason,
I
really
like
concept
D,
the
best
and
I
have
to
say
I
love
the
connection
via
stairs
to
get
onto
the
back
path.
I
saw
a
family
coming
up
the
other
day.
They
had
strollers,
so
they
probably
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
take
their
strollers
up,
but
they
were
Meandering
on
the
stone
death
path
and
they
entered
the
O'reilly
Monument
from
the
back
side
so
overall,
very
so
exciting.
Thank
you.
So
much.
C
You
a
couple
comments.
First
of
all,
the
plantings
along
the
roadway
there
I
can't
imagine
that
that
would
ever
be
successful,
giving
the
amount
of
salt
and
sand
in
Winter
damage
that
is
cost
of
plant
weighs
along
the
plants
along
roadways
like
that,
and
my
other
comment
was
going
to
be
the
sort
of
knee-high
chain
link.
I,
don't
think
stops
any
able-bodied
person
from
climbing
over
it
or
stepping
over
it.
So
I
would
definitely
go
with
the
stairs
as
long
as
people
are
going
to
do
it,
you
might
as
well
accommodate
them.
C
E
Yeah,
it's
just
a
couple
of
quick
things:
yeah
I
would
Advocate
as
much
as
we
can
do
this
within
Ada
guidelines
to
make
where
it
seems
like
every
concept
has
increased
Paving
of
some
sort
and
I
would
Advocate
as
much
as
we
can
for
permeable
pavers,
and
maybe
that's
actually
the
solution
for
the
strip
that
borders
the
street
is
the
we
have
in
the
west
bends
on
Boylston
Street.
We
have
a
lot
of
those
now
mandated
I
think
by
the
by
the
re
by
the
city's
guidelines.
E
That,
of
course,
is
contrary
to
framing
the
statues
so
that
maybe
a
mod
starter,
then
just
one
final.
Other
question
is
where
the
steps
or
chain
links
or
bushes
are
proposed
to
to
Short
Circuit
or
make
easier
access
to
that
path.
Behind
the
monument
the
city
for
years
had
a
crappy
oil
pan
trash
barrel
there,
which
disappeared
a
few
weeks
ago,
but
I
just
wonder
if
there's
some.
E
There
were
some
leftover
barrels.
Let's
use
that,
so
that's
just
something
to
consider
is
you
know
basically
more.
What
you've
done
I
think
is
great,
because
you're
trying
to
refocus
on
the
monument,
but
also
deal
with
a
place
that
has
enormous
volumes
of
foot
traffic,
which
we
want
to
encourage
and
I
guess.
Sorry,
there
is
one
other
thing.
B
Thanks
Steve
I
appreciate
all
those
I
did
want
to
jump
in
on
the
trash,
receptacles
and
Kyle.
You
may
have
some
things
you
want
to
jump
in
on
after
that
too,
in
terms
of
the
trash
receptacles,
that's
definitely
part
of
what
we're
looking
at
as
part
of
the
project
and
all
the
site
Furnishings
along
the
pathways.
B
We
didn't
really
get
into
that
as
much
in
this
presentation,
because
we
were
looking
at
the
specific
elements,
but
Steve
and
I,
don't
remember
whether
you
were
in
that
one
or
not,
but
on
the
website.
The
presentation
from
meeting
four
is
more
specific
on
Pathways
and
if
you
click
on
that,
there
are
some
images
of
trash
receptacles
in
there
as
well.
In
case
you
want
to
take
a
look
at
some
of
the
ones
that
we
were
thinking
about.
B
Yeah
we
liked
it
when
we
redo
the
parks
like
this.
We
like
to
put
in
permanent
fixtures,
as
opposed
to
some
of
those
55
gallon
drums
and
they'll,
always
be
a
time
and
a
place.
You
know
seasonally,
sometimes
that
we
bring
more
out
to
a
park,
but
we
are
looking
at
putting
more
permanent
ones
in
as
part
of
the
project.
B
So
yeah
this
is
a
tricky
question.
I
wish
we
had
it
in
every
one
of
our
Parks.
The
rollout
is
slow
and
we're
working
on
rolling
out
for
the
parks
system,
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
been
doing
and
I
don't
know
that
it's
going
to
happen
during
the
duration
of
this
project,
but
a
lot
of
times.
You
know
how,
under
our
permanent
receptacles,
we
put
in
a
concrete
pad
right,
it's
easier
to
clean.
B
It
doesn't
get
as
messy
what
we've
been
doing
a
lot
in
parks
that
recycling
isn't
there
yet
is
making
that
pad
wider
so
that
it
can
accommodate
the
recycling
when
it's
time
to
roll
that
out.
So
as
of
right
now,
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
part
of
this
project,
but
we're
at
least
going
to
make
sure
that
we
plan
for
the
future.
B
A
L
L
The
Evans
way
bridge
is
at
the
juncture
of
where
Fenway
turns
the
right
corner
and
the
muddy
river
also
turns
a
right
corner.
And
if
you
look
at
the
you
see,
if
I
can?
Oh,
my
cursor
works
great
here's
a
context
map
here
you
have
the
Gardner
Museum
the
school
of
the
Museum
of
Fine
Arts,
the
MFA
parking
lot.
The
MFA
is
here
and
the
Bridge
location
would
be
right
there.
L
L
L
So
next
slide
please
so
we
spoke
with
landmarks
a
few
months
ago,
and
they
said
the
replacement
bridge
should
either
recall
one
of
the
historic
bridges
in
the
area
or
should
be
something
contemporary,
something
completely
different.
So
the
three
concepts
we're
looking
at
are
one
is
concept
A,
which
is
the
the
existing
Bridges.
The
the
original
Bridges
were
all
by
sure
cliff
and
they
were
all
wooden
bridges,
similar
in
style
to
the
Evans
way
Bridge.
L
L
Interestingly
enough
sure
Cliff
went
on
to
design
the
Esplanade
in
Boston
along
the
Charles
River
and
the
design
of
the
bridges
there
they're
five
Bridges
is
similar
to
this.
So
we
think
that
maybe
Carl
Johnson
was
was
influenced
by
by
her
by
shirtless
designs
on
the
Esplanade,
so
the
bridge
is
is
masonry
with
a
coping
and
very
simple
railing
concept.
L
A
L
So
here
again
is
masonry
Bridge
coping
very
simple
railing.
The
slide
on
the
left
bottom
left
is
one
of
the
Esplanade
Bridges.
There
are
five
bridges
in
all
they're,
very
similar
in
style,
just
a
simple
Arch,
heavy
masonry
peers
on
either
side
and
a
simple
railing
and
here's
a
close-up
of
the
Carol
Johnson
bridge.
This
is
the
one
that
lines
up
with
the
the
north
side
of
the
MFA,
going
towards
the
Rose
Garden,
so
again,
very
simple,
railing
and
and
stone
coping.
L
L
You
know
it's
just
open
railing,
so
this
is
a
design,
that's
on
the
Charles
River
in
Newton,
so
it
has
the
cross,
bracing
and
pickets,
and
then
the
top
rail
and
again
you're,
going
from
the
Fenway
down
very
shallow
Arch
and
then
down
towards
the
path
leading
to
Clementi
field
and
in
the
Rose
Garden,
as
as
recently
as
2018
before
the
Corps
of
Engineers
came
through
to
do
the
dredging
you
could
see
the
bents
these
These
are
this.
The
wood
supports
they
were
still
there
five
years
ago.
L
L
Anyways,
so
it's
a
very
Lacy
feel
and
you
can
see
through
the
it's.
You
know
it's
very
transparent
in
a
sense
because
you
can
see
the
vegetation
through
the
fence
and
so
it's
it's
almost
goes
away,
and
some
of
you
are
familiar
with
ramler
Park,
a
few
blocks
away
where
there's
a
fence
using
a
swallow
Motif
so
it'd
be
similar.
Water
jet
cut
steel,
the
dark
color.
B
This
is
one
of
those
where
there's
a
lot
of
agencies
that
are
involved
and,
and
will
be
a
part
of
the
conversations
this
will
work
with
Conservation
Commission,
we'll
also
work
with
the
state
in
terms
of
the
waterways.
The
you
know,
landmarks,
commission,
so
there'll
be
a
lot
that
goes
into
this,
and
we've
started
those
conversations
with
all
of
those
entities
to
start
to
get
their
initial
thoughts
so
that
we
weren't
presenting
things
or
getting
feedback
from
the
community
on
things
that
were
way
out
of
possibility.
B
But
what
we'll
do
from
here
is
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
understands.
So
we'll
take
the
comments
from
here
and
we'll
go
back,
because
we
wanted
to
have
the
feedback
from
the
community
for
our
second
round
of
conversations
with
all
of
those
agencies,
so
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
understands
sort
of
what
all
goes
into
all
of
that
and
then
Kyle
Maybe.
When
we
are
getting
the
conversation
started
and
the
feedback
could
we
go
back
to
maybe
at
least
the
the
there
we
go.
C
Yeah,
thank
you.
So
I
have
a
couple
questions.
One
is
on
some
of
these
designs.
It
appears
that
there's
a
place
under
the
bridge
that
would
be
very
attractive
for
homeless
people
to
camp
and
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
because
I
think
that's
a
concern.
Second
thing
is
I
have
looked
carefully
at
the
ram,
ramler,
Park
and
I.
C
Think
that's
powder
coated
steel
I'm,
not
sure,
and
there
are
places
where
it
appears
to
be
cracking
a
little
bit
or
wearing
a
bit
and
I'm
wondering
if
you're
looking
at
cortense
steel
for
the
railing
on
concept,
c
and
I
happen
to
be
a
huge
fan
of
Cortez
steel,
so
I'll
just
put
that
out
there,
and
those
are
my
only
comments.
Thank
you.
B
F
So
out
of
curiosity
in
2009,
the
decking
of
the
foresight,
Bridge
was
repaired
or
it
was
replaced.
What's
the
condition
of
the
other
two
Bridges
and
I
guess
what
I'm
thinking
about
is.
Thank
you
yeah.
What's
the
condition
of
those
other
two
Bridges,
because
I'm
just
curious
as
like
in
the
future,
if
those
were
to
need
repair
or
replacement,
is
the
parks
department
or
the
master
plan
prefer
to
keep
what's
there
or
you
know
what
I'm
saying
like?
B
F
F
Real
quick
because
I'm
just
thinking
long
term,
because
in
a
few
years,
if
we're
now
talking
about
the
other
two
Bridges,
then
I
I
would
love
to
make
a
decision
based
on
going
forward.
What's
the
vision
for
all
these
foot
Bridges,
should
they
all
be
the
same?
Should
they
look
at
like
the
ones
in
the
Esplanade,
or
do
we
have
our
version
of
this
unique?
You
know
zakim
the
entryway
into
the
fan
white,
like
you
know
that
it's
does.
This
have
to
be
a
special
peace.
D
B
And
Marco
nothing's
been
brought
up
with
parks
department
in
terms
of
the
structure
of
those
in
terms
of
them
needing
to
be
part
of
this
project
or
needing
them
to
be
thought
about
in
the
next
five
to
ten
years.
We'll
definitely
continue
to
keep
a
look
at
them.
I
know
that
I'm
I'm
fairly
positive,
that
the
state
does
all
of
our
Bridge
inspections
and
nothing
has
been
brought
up
to
us.
B
E
A
E
I
I
just
wanted
to
weigh
in
on
that
on
the
concepts
I
I
honestly,
unless
there's
some
strong
reason
to
go
with
the
original
Olmstead
design,
the
cross
bracing.
Even
if
it's
done
in
steel,
it
just
feels
so
it
feels
like
it.
It
doesn't
if
there
were,
if
there
were
two
other
Bridges
like
that,
it
would
make
sense
to
me,
but
this
the
design
feels
it
almost
feel
like
a
a
parody
of
an
almost
dead
design,
because
it's
so
so
much
one
of
a
kind.
E
Do
we
want
this
to
to
have
a
certain
kind
of
yeah
I,
don't
know,
presence
that
the
other
two
Bridges
don't
have,
partly
because
this
is
more
of
an
entryway
from
the
larger,
because
the
park
curves
around
there
so
you're
sort
of
bringing
a
lot
of
exit
you're
getting
a
lot
of
access
from
a
lot
of
different
directions,
and
also,
if
I'm
Elena
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
But
it
looks
like
this
is
actually
a
much
longer
span
than
the
other
two
Bridges.
E
I
mean
I,
think
I.
Think
ramler
Park
is
an
excellent
example
of
what
this
looks
like
I
assume
I,
don't
have
a
I
mean
I
like
the
blue.
There
I
would
think
we
would
want
green
here,
but
I
could
see
Cortez
steel
I
just
there's
a
certain
way
that
especially
European
cities
will
will
do
kind
of
modern
things
in
historic
settings
that
don't
make
any
effort
to
be
an
evocative
of
the
historic
setting.
E
B
G
Great
I,
just
unmuted
myself,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
okay,
hi
everyone,
Karen
Bonnie,
brodick,
sorry
about
the
ambulances.
In
the
background,
I
I'm,
president
of
the
emerald,
necklace,
Conservancy,
I'm,
so
glad
I
know
it's
been
a
lot
of
meetings
and
June
and
Jack
from
my
team
I
think
have
been
at
most
of
them.
I'm
very
excited
about
a
lot
of
aspects
of
this.
G
You
may
know
we
have
a
public
Visitor
Center
with
a
public
restroom
and
the
Back
Bay
fans
are
really
excited
about
more
people
being
able
to
come
and
use
it
and
and
and
just
also
feel
more
comfortable
and
that
improve
access
throughout
throughout
the
park.
So
Lauren
Kyle
Elena
the
whole
team
they've
been
working
on
this
I
know
it's
complicated
and
there's
a
lot
of
parts
to
it,
but
it's
God's
work.
So
thank
you,
I'm,
you
know
very
excited
about
building
back
this
bridge.
G
I
was
surprised
when
I
started
here
six
years
ago
to
learn
about
the
history
of
this.
In
fact,
I
think
one
of
the
first
elected
officials
that
I
ever
met
with
Jeffrey
Sanchez
told
me
that
this
bridge
needed
to
go
but
come
back.
It
was
about
connecting
neighborhoods.
This
bridge
connects
a
lower
income
part
a
community
across
to
you
know,
connect
them
with
Park,
and
we
we
need
I'm,
very
excited
that
so
many
worked
to
to
get
get
funding
to
to
move
this.
G
This
Pro
piece
of
this
project
forward
I'm
very
proud
that
in
some
places,
people
are
putting
up
walls
and
in
Boston
we
are
building
bridges.
So
I
think
it's
great
I.
Think
I
also
I
mean
you
know:
I
have
I,
don't
have
a
you
know
a
hard
and
fast
opinion
about
what
the
design
should
be,
but
I
do
think
that
a
lot
of
times
when
we,
when
we
make
fake
history
and
again
there's
a
lot
of
folks,
are
going
to
weigh
in
on
this
there's
a
lot
of
commissions.
G
It's
not
necessarily
what
one
or
the
other
of
us
of
us
think,
but
I
do
think
that
it's
great
to
be
able
to
tell
the
history
I
hope.
Whatever
we
do
out
there
I
hope.
There's
information
about
what
the
bridge
had
been,
whether
history
of
it,
maybe
with
signage
or
QR
code,
to
explain
you
know
what
the
original
had
been
and
then
I
I
really
like
to
you
know
the
second.
G
Perhaps
it's
in
dialogue
in
some
way
with
those
historic
pieces,
and
so
I
am
also
intrigued
by
concept
C
or
something
of
that
kind.
I
think
and
I'd
love
to
you
know,
hear
more
about
being
able
to
explore
these
things
and
I.
I
know
that
you
know
I
I,
think
in
connecting
the
neighborhoods
that
have
not
been
able
to.
G
That's
not
cool,
and
so
I
really
would
like
to
you
know,
see
the
those
those
connections
made
and
and
extend,
welcome
I
know
the
Isabel
Stewart
Gardner
and
folks.
There
would
also
be
very
interested
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
of
interest
in
in
that
so
I'm
very
excited
about
this
and
I
hope
to
to
be
helpful
in
in
conversations
going
forward.
I
know
there
are
funds
to
be
raised
and
alliances
to
to
build
with
a
lot
of
parties
to
to
to
bring
this
to
a
place
and
I.
B
B
One
of
the
reasons
that
we're
also
talking
about
these
three
parts
of
this
project
separately,
and
if
you
guys
remember
from
our
initial
slides
and
schedule,
is
that
these
three
elements
were
added
on
to
that
Back
Bay
fence,
Pathways
project
right,
so
these
These
are
added
on
and
similar
to
the
jurisdictional
issues
that
Kyle
was
talking
about.
We
also
have
different
funding
sources
for
each
of
these
as
well,
and
so
that's
why
we've
been
doing
a
lot
of
coordination
with
different
groups.
We
have
the
brownsberger
funding
like
Marie
was
talking
about
for
the
O'reilly.
B
We
have
the
trust
office
funding
for
the
World
War
II.
We
have
CPA
funding
that
is
funding
the
design
for
the
bridge
work,
but
there
is
not
construction
funding
now,
and
so
that's
what
Karen
was
talking
about
in
terms
of
needing
to
do
fundraising
and
looking
towards
helping
to
get
this
bridge
funded
so
just
to
to
throw
that
out.
There
is
also
part
of
why
these
conversations
are
a
little
bit
separate
as
well,
because
they
all
have
their
unique
little
way
of
being
funded
and
being
incorporated
into
this.
This
overall
project,
too
so.
J
Yeah
thanks
so
much-
and
this
is
another
Super
exciting
part
thanks
to
Elena
and
every
everyone
who's
been
working
so
hard
on.
This
I
did
put
a
question
into
the
chat
about
voting
activities
and
whether
that
would
be
possible
for
all
three
I
think
that
I've
seen
the
egg
Oilers
using
the
waterways
for
that
purpose
and
I
think
that
maybe
the
1970s
report
by
Carol
Johnson
did
mention
pleasure
voting
but
I
don't
know
if
it's
in
the
most
recent
plan
I
just
as
someone
who
uses
the
back
safe
ends
as
my
park.
J
I
think
it
would
be
awesome
to
think
that
someday.
You
could
pick
a
gondola
along
the
along
the
muddy
river.
So
that's
one
question
and
then
you
know,
as
far
as
design
goes
I'm,
not
a
historian
or
or
anything
but
I
do
think
about
this
park
as
being
the
place
that
I
go
to
for
a
passive
Park
experience.
I
don't
have
other
parks
around
and
and
I
appreciated
that
we
don't
want
to
recreate
history.
J
But
in
the
same
vein,
I
do
have
concerns
about
the
focus
of
build
items
in
the
Parks
and
the
time-lit
nature
of
them,
because
Trends
and
materials
do
change.
So,
when
I
think
about
what
my
experience
would
be
like
entering
the
park,
seeing
those
ash
trees,
seeing
the
ash
trees
and
the
was
it
the
plane
truth,
I
can't
remember
what
species
that
it
was
the
LA
yeah
yeah,
sycamores
I'm.
Sorry
thinking
about
the
experience
that
would
put
the
parks
at
the
Forefront
I
think
would
be
important
for
me.
So
I
don't
know.
J
I
I,
like
concept
A,
I'm
sure
that
concept
C
could
could
work
as
well,
but
I
I
worry
about
the
timelessness
of
whatever
is
implemented
and
also
the
precedent
for
implementing
changes
into
a
park
that
really
does
serve
as
like.
Here's
our
daily
park
experience
to
get
out
of
our
small
apartment.
So
thanks
I,
guess
I'm
not
expressing
any
particular
preference,
but
just
some
concern.
B
F
B
B
G
G
G
G
Maintenance
I,
of
course,
will
as
I
I
do
every
year,
be
at
the
budget
hearings
on
a
couple
of
weeks
at
the
city
council
and
advocating
for
more
maintenance
resources
for
our
department,
because
you
know
there
are
six
bodies
between
five
and
a
half
and
six
bodies
that
take
care
of
the
entire
necklace
from
the
the
Boston
Park
Side.
It's
just
all.
G
It's
a
lot
of
land
and
not
a
lot
of
people,
and
so
you
know
I
I'm,
assuming
you
guys
are
focusing
on
trying
to
put
in
the
things
that
require
the
least
maintenance
possible
and
that's
also
kind
of
heartbreaking,
because
you
want
to
make
sure
we're
also
giving
the
community
the
most
so
I
guess
that
was
just
a
speech.
Not
so
much
a
question:
Lord
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
any
I,
don't
know
what
you're
gonna
say.
B
So
yeah,
that
is
a
challenge
right.
It's
a
challenge
in
all
of
our
parks,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
often
found
is
that
when
we
renovate
Parks
they
are
a
lot
easier
to
take
care
of
and
to
maintain,
because
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
were
happening
with
you
know
whether
it
be
the
materials,
the
condition
any
of
those
things
that
bad
condition
or
that
that
rough
condition
isn't
there
anymore.
So
that
allows
people
to
spend
time
doing
other
things.
B
So
we
have
found
that
when
we
do
those
Renovations
that
does
help
as
well.
The
other
thing
is
is
that
we
want
what's
best
for
the
park
and
the
users
as
well.
So
yes,
we
do
look
at
maintenance,
friendly
items,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that's
the
only
thing
that
we're
looking
at
and
that
doesn't
mean
that
we're
making
negative
decisions
or
not
the
best
decisions
for
the
park,
we're
just
trying
to
weigh
all
of
those
together
helps
at
all
Karen,
oh
you're,
muted,
again.
B
G
About
now,
Karen,
okay,
I
think
it's
I.
Think
it
worked.
Can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
yeah
and
I
and
I
guess
I
think
there
have
been
a
couple
of
of
capital
projects
when
I
first
started
that
I
I
that
we
didn't
have
maybe
as
close
of
a
dialogue
around
like
these
pieces
are
the
ones
you
guys
can
take
care
of
here
are
the
ones
that
perhaps
we
can
assist
with
and
I
would
really
like
to
do.
G
That
I
mean
this
is
maybe
just
a
conversation
for
you
and
Lord
you
and
I
Lauren
to
have
I
didn't.
Have
that
I'd
like
to
figure
out
like?
Are
there
pieces
that
you
might
need
a
little
extra
love
for
and
what
could
we
do
because
I
you
know
there's
just
there
are
a
lot
of
pieces.
I
mean
this
doesn't
have
maybe
as
much
I
mean
this
is
going
to
have
planting.
G
B
H
Oh
yeah,
this
will
be
a
much
smaller
comment,
but
thank
you
for
this
great
conversation
tonight.
Seating
didn't
come
up
on
this
meeting,
but
I
know
it's
been
a
discussion
on
previous
meetings
and
it
just
I
had
a
message
from
Council
Rock,
actually
this
time
that
just
I
understand
that
there's
a
delicate
balance
on
knowing
whether
the
community
seeds,
a
utility
or
desire
and
more
benches,
but
just
wanted
to
pass
along
that
she's
excited
about
the
potential
for
additions
in
the
street
Furniture
aspects.
H
B
That
Kennedy
was
talking
about
if
anybody's
interested
in
those
two
and
then
I'm
also
going
to
I,
know
I
did
it
at
the
beginning,
but
I
just
put
back
in
the
chat
my
email
address
and
also
the
project
website.
So
if
anybody
wanted
to
go
check
out
those
meetings,
please
do
that
and
again
I
just
want
to
say
a
really
big.
Thank
you
for
coming
out
tonight.
I
know
it's
beautiful
out
and
I'm
sure
you
guys
would
all
rather
be
you
know
out
doing
something.
B
Wonderful
outside,
but
I
really
appreciate
all
the
feedback
and
all
the
time
that
you
guys
have
given
us
and
all
of
the
information
and
again
anybody
who
may
not
have
gotten
a
direct
email
from
me
about
this
I
am
happy
to
add
you
to
my
email
list
for
future
updates
on
the
project,
so
please
feel
free
to
grab
my
email
address
and
send
any
thoughts
or
questions
my
way
as
well.
So
thank
you
guys
all
again
and
I
appreciate
your
time
tonight.