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From YouTube: Chandler Pond Community Meeting
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Boston Parks and their design consultant present the proposed master plan and phase 1 recommendations for Chandler Pond.
A
A
A
Okay,
it
looks
like
to
have
someone
from
oh.
B
Hi
Amy
thank
you.
I'm
Pam
and
I
work
for
counselor
Liz,
Braden
she's,
hoping
to
attend
at
some
point
this
evening.
Thanks
for
convening
great.
A
All
right,
let's
next
slide,
please.
A
So
a
few
things
I
just
want
to
go
over
before
we
get
started
on
the
presentation.
Please
know
that
this
meeting
is
being
recorded.
That
way
we
can
post
it
to
the
project
webpage.
It
should
take
about
a
week
for
that
to
be
posted
and
we'll
add
the
link
to
the
project
webpage
in
the
chat
in
case
you'd
like
to
view
it
again
or
share
with
neighbors
who
aren't
able
to
attend
tonight.
A
During
the
presentation,
we
ask
ask
you
to
keep
your
video,
often
microphone,
muted
and
then
during
the
discussion
session.
We
encourage
you
to
turn
your
video
on
if
you
feel
comfortable
doing
so,
interpretation
was
not
requested
for
this
meeting,
but
please
know
that
translation
and
interpretation
services
are
offered
free
of
charge.
You
can
email
me
to
make
a
request
for
future
services
and
we
will
add
my
email
to
the
chat
as
well.
A
Next
slide,
please,
so
we
do
want
to
ensure
this
conversation
is
a
pleasant
experience
and
that
all
community
members
are
comfortable
sharing
their
comments,
questions
and
feedback.
So
please
be
respectful
and
mindful
of
each
other's
time
and
keep
the
questions
and
comments.
Project
Specific.
A
A
So
in
a
moment
our
design
team
will
give
a
short
presentation
and
then
we'll
have
a
listening
and
discussion
session.
If
a
question
or
comment
comes
to
mind
during
the
presentation
feel
free
to
add
it
to
the
chat
and
we'll
address
it
after
the
presentation
on
the
screen,
we're
showing
instructions
for
using
features
in
Zoom,
which
I
think
everyone's
pretty
familiar
with
by
now,
but
once
the
presentation
has
concluded,
we
welcome
your
questions
and
comments.
A
So
if
anyone
was
calling
in
on
a
phone
just
use
star
nine
to
raise
your
hand
and
once
we
call
on
you
it's
star
six
to
unmute
and
to
mute
again
and
then,
if
you're,
using
Zoom
via
computer,
just
use
the
raise
hand
button
and
we'll
unmute
you
next
slide.
Please.
A
So
these
are
the
topics
we'll
be
covering
this
evening,
starting
with
the
project
team
introduction
project
status,
which
includes
the
schedule,
the
presentation
from
our
design
team,
a
listening
and
discussion
session
and
then
closing
remarks
and
next
steps.
Our
next
slide.
A
A
Kyle
zick,
landscape
architecture
is
the
consultant
working
on
this
project.
So
joining
us
is
Kyle
zick,
principal
and
Tracy
Hudak
project
landscape.
Architect,
next
slide
please.
A
So
this
is
the
schedule
for
the
Chandler
Pond
project
Kyle
and
his
team
have
been
working
for
the
last
several
months
on
a
site,
analysis
and
master
plan
and
phase
one
recommendations
which
they'll
be
presenting
to
you
tonight.
They'll
then
move
into
the
process
of
Permitting
and
developing
construction
documents,
and
the
project
will
go
out
to
bid
later
this
spring
with
an
anticipated
construction
start
in
mid-summer.
A
A
So
there
are
several
components
that
go
into
public
park,
design,
one
being
Community
input,
which
includes
the
feedback
we'll
hear
tonight.
Safety
guidelines
and
Regulatory
guidelines
such
as
Ada,
the
city
of
Boston
priorities
and
Parks
and
Recreation
goals
which
we'll
cover
on
the
next
two
slides
so
next
slide.
So
that's
city
of
Boston
priorities
include
expanding
walkable
access
to
Parks,
addressing
Equity
climate
resilience
such
as
dealing
with
storm
water
and
extreme
heat,
Health,
Housing
and
Community
Building,
my
next
slide
and
then
Parks
and
Recreation
goals.
A
This
includes
creating
spaces
that
are
accessible
and
available
to
all
that
have
either
a
diverse,
balanced
and
efficient
mix
of
uses
that
include
meaningful
and
inclusive
community
engagement
and
incorporate
adaptive
and
resilient
landscapes
and
promote
connections.
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Tracy
from
Kyle
dick
landscape
architecture.
E
And
so,
let's
just
jump
right
into
what
our
scope
of
work
is
for
the
project.
So
right
now
we're
working
on
a
broad
high
level,
landscape
plan
for
Chandler
Pond
and
the
surrounding
Park,
and
the
primary
goals
are
working
to
restore
and
protect
the
health
of
the
pond
and
then
to
manage
the
shoreline
and
Upland
areas
of
the
pond
and
the
park
that
contribute
to
to
the
Pond's
Health.
E
If
we
zoom
in
you,
can
see
that
the
pond
and
the
neighboring
Park
are
sort
of
hemmed
in
at
the
top
North
on
the
sheet
by
Kendrick
Street
and
the
residence
is
there
and
then
along
sort
of
the
west
and
southwest
Edge
by
Lake
Shore
Road,
additional
residences
generally
multi-family
properties
make
up
sort
of
the
western
edge
of
of
the
property.
E
So
the
pond
itself
is
actually
man-made
and
was
constructed
back
in
the
mid
1850s
and
it
was
made
for
ice
harvesting,
which
was
a
common
occurrence
back
in
the
day
before
we
all
had
refrigerators.
In
fact,
Alston
Brighton
had
almost
20
ponds
very
similar
to
Chandler
Pond,
but
Chandler
Pond
is
the
only
one
that
sort
of
remains
recognizable
in
anything
resembling
its
former
self.
E
Eventually,
the
water
from
Chandler
Pond
exits
on
the
West,
Side
I'm,
sorry
on
the
east
side
of
the
of
the
pond,
and
goes
underground
eventually
emptying
out
into
the
Charles
River.
So
back
in
the
1930s
Boston
parks
department
acquired
this
collection
of
property
that
included
the
pond
and
and
some
of.
F
E
So
one
thing
we
wanted
to
do
and
we
do
with
all
projects.
Is
we
look
at
the
existing
conditions
so
that
we
can
evaluate
how
best
to
improve
the
the
situation
that
we
currently
have
so
to
to
improved
ecology
and
Recreation
experience
of
the
pond
for
visitors?
We
wanted
to
First
Look
at
sort
of
how
the
property
is
distributed
and
more
than
half
of
it.
60
is
made
up
of
the
pond
itself.
The
remaining
40
percent
is
land.
A
E
That
land
remains
well
about,
half
of
it
is
in
currently
in
use
as
lawn
and.
F
E
About
a
third
is
some
pretty
substantial
wooded
areas,
and
then
you
have
a
small
amount
about
11
of
what
we
would
categorize
as
Shoreline
buffer.
E
And
so
the
existing
buffer
that
that
11
of
vegetated
buffer
that
I
mentioned
is
currently
rather
shallow
and
in
some
places
there
is
no
buffer
at
all.
So
across
the
top
of
the
page,
you
see
some
images
of
the
existing
buffer
on
the
site,
and
so,
for
instance,
in
the
top
left,
you
can
see
that
there's
essentially
just
bare
Earth
and
one
meaning
tree.
E
So
it's
not
doing
very
much
to
contribute
to
the
health
of
the
pond
as
you
move
across
they
get
a
little
bit
better,
but
you're
still
talking
about
the
current
condition
being
a
vegetative
buffer.
That
is
primarily
lawn
and
does
contain
a
number
of
invasive
species
which
are
not
doing
as
much
for
the
Ecology
of
the
pond
in
the
park
as
needed.
Species
might
do
so.
We
want
to
encourage
a
buffer
that
has
Deep
Roots
and
variety
of
vegetation,
and
so
across
the
bottom
of
the
page.
E
You
see
three
images
that
show
sort
of
the
good,
better
best
version
of
of
a
what
a
vegetative
buffer
should
look
like
for
it
to
provide
the
kind
of
benefits
and
habitat
that
would
benefit
the
pond
best.
So
we
have
a
bunch
of
different
kinds
of
vegetation:
the
different
root
depths,
which
help
hold
soil
at
different
elevations
and
maintain
and
make
sure
that
there
is
vegetation
in
place
year-round
to
hold
that
soil.
E
That
water
is
carried
through
pipes,
underground
and
appears,
then
in
the
pond,
and
so
there
are
every
one
of
these
sort
of
stubby
triangles
is
an
inlet
that
is
coming
from
the
storm
drainage
system,
and
then
you
can
see
the
outlet
for
the
pond
up
here
in
the
upper
right,
travels
underground
and
exits
into
the
Charles
River
there's
the
storm
drain
system
is
taking
water
from
the
surrounding
area,
and
this
is
an
approximation
of
what
that
area
is.
E
So
you
can
see
that
the
pond
is
essentially
all
the
way
to
the
East
and
it
is
taking
storm
drainage
from
rainfall
from
an
area
primarily
west
of
the
pond.
E
Another
key
element
that
we
observed
at
the
pond
itself
was
the
extensive
collection
of
invasive
species,
and
so
in
this
particular
diagram,
we
were
looking
at
invasives,
which
you
know
have
been
determined
to
actually
be
doing
harm
to
the
environment,
non-native
which
you
see
in
the
yellow,
which
may
not
have
been
in
the
area
historically.
E
But
they
are
not
necessarily
causing
harm,
they're,
sort
of
neutral
actors
and
then
Native
species,
which
are
what
you're
seeing
is
the
green
dots,
which
are
the
types
of
trees
that
we
have
historically
had
in
the
area
in
New
England
things
like
red,
maple,
silver,
maple,
Birches,
black
cherries,
and
this
is
important
because
again
invasive
species
are
not
doing
as
much
for
Ecology
of
the
pond
as
native
species.
H
E
And
unfortunately,
invasive
species
are
also
quite
good
at
competing
for
space,
so
they
have
a
tendency
to
take
over
when
left
to
their
own
devices.
E
This
next
slide
don't
try
and
read
it
all.
It's
a
lot.
E
It
will
appear
in
the
master
plan,
but
the
essence
of
this
is
just
that
the
invasive
species
are
pretty
widespread
throughout
the
site
and
that's
relatively
typical
for
an
urban
Natural
Area
things
move
in
with
animals
and
on
the
air
and
through
people
tracking
them
in.
E
E
We
could
spend
all
night
on
analysis,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
we
get
to
the
master
plan
and
the
first
phase
of
work.
So,
for
example,
we
examine
slopes
around
the
pond,
and
this
is
important
because
it
has
a
strong
bearing
on
where
erosion
is
most
likely
and
also
where
it
is
more
difficult
or
easier
to
get
vegetation
to
establish.
So
that's
important
going
forward.
E
We
also
looked
at
circulation
and
we
have
an
established
circulation
path
on
this.
You
know
sort
of
fat,
red
dotted
line
and
that
is
set
and
paved,
but
then
you'll
notice
there's
a
number
of
other
little
tendrils
where
people,
those
are
pets.
People
are
taking
primarily
to
access
the
water
that
it
represents
her
desire
lines
where
people
walk,
even
though
there
isn't
an
established
path
there,
but
they're
wearing
a
path.
E
And
finally,
we
also
look
at
establishing
reviews
at
various
points
around
the
pond,
because
again,
people
are
drawn
to
these
views
they're
drawn
to
the
water,
and
this
is
why
everyone
want
to
keep
this
in
mind
when
we
move
forward
for
recommendations,
because
we
want
to
work
with
people's
desire
to
see
these
great
views
and
not
try
and
hide
them
from
folks.
E
So
taking
all
of
that
analysis
into
mind,
we
started
work
on
the
master
plan,
and
so
our
big
theme
for
the
master
plan
is
to
restore
the
area.
That's
there
protect
what
we
have
and
then
manage
things
going
forward,
so
the
specific
objectives
we
want
to
stabilize
the
shoreline
against
that
erosion
that
I
mentioned,
so
that
we
can
prevent
the
erosion
and
sedimentation
which
are
filling
the
ponds
we
want
to
remove
or
limit
the
invasive
species
that
are
there
presently
throughout
the
entire
park.
E
And
then
we
want
to
revegetate
with
the
desirable
species
that
we
bring
up
the
percentage
of
needed
and
keep
these
invasive
species
to
a
minimum.
We
also
want
to
look
at
overall
steps.
We
can
take
to
improve
General
water
quality,
with
the
understanding
that
a
lot
of
this
water
is
coming
from
off-site
coming
from
the
storm
water
system,
because,
ultimately,
what
we
want
is
this
bottom
line
here
we
used
to
enjoy
the
pond
while
we're
being
ecologically
sensitive
and
sort
of
respecting
this
really
interesting,
unique
site
in
the
city.
E
So
this
is
the
overall
image
of
the
master
plan
and
there
are
some
call
outs
for
the
specific
objectives.
So
a
number
of
these
are
vegetation
related,
so
A
and
B
relate
to
improving
the
existing
buffer
by
removing
the
invasives
that
are
currently
out
there
and
adding
additional
buffer
so
that
we
can
get
the
benefits
of
erosion,
control
and
habitat
creation
and
everything
that
comes
with
an
increased
buffer
with
we
also
want
to,
throughout
the
entire
site,
remove.
E
And
then
also
increase
access
to
the
Woodland
area,
which
right
now
doesn't
have
any
pathways
through
it
at
all.
The
other
thing
we're
looking
to
do
is
promote.
You
know,
keep
in
mind
that
the
people's
interest
in
views
and
the
fact
that
this
is
a
passive
Recreation
site.
So
this
isn't
necessarily
where
you
know
you're
playing
baseball,
which
is
where
you
go
to
sit
and
enjoy
the
view
of
the
pond.
So
we
know
that
the
views
and
access
to
the
water
are
important.
E
So
for
those
who
are
looking
at,
you
know
C
and
D
points
which
have
to
do
with
access
points
to
the
water
and
also
views
from
the
shore,
and
then
the
e-labels
relate
to
those
drainage
inlets
that
we
spoke
about
where
water
is
coming
in
from
the
storm
water
system,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
look
at
ways
where
we
can
improve
the
water
that
comes
into
the
pond
either
at
that
point,
or
if
there
is
anything
we
can
do
sort
of
Upstream
in
the
Watershed.
For
those
points.
E
And
then
G
is
also
important
is
establishing
maintenance
guidelines,
and
this
is
important
because
we
want
to
make
sure
we
can
maintain
whatever
improvements
we
make
over
time,
so
that
we
keep
moving
forward
and
don't
flip
backward.
You
know
every
couple
years
and
then
have
to
start
over
again
so
we'll
go
through.
Some
of
these
master
plan
recommendations
one
at
a
time
more
specifically.
E
What
we're
proposing
is
adding
this
dark
green
buffer
to
the
light
green,
existing
bumper,
and
what
that
would
do
is
it
would
get
us
to
about
an
average
of
25
feet
of
buffer
around
the
whole
pond
in
some
places,
so
along
Lake,
Shore
Road
on
the
Eastern
Edge.
If
we
were
actually
to
make
a
25
foot
buffer,
we
would
basically
end
up
up
on
the
public
sidewalk,
and
then
there
wouldn't
be
any
space,
for
you
know,
sort
of
the
Recreation
and
for
people's
ability
to
to
enjoy
the
pond,
except
from
that
one
sidewalk.
E
What
that
means
is
that
everything
that
falls
within
that
boundary
so
between
that
boundary
and
the
pond
is
under
the
control
of
the
Boston,
Conservation,
Commission
and
so
work
in
that
area
falls
under
their
purview
and
has
to
go
through
permitting
that's
an
important
thing
to
keep
in
mind
that
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we're
going
to
be
proposing
at
the
pond
is
falling
within
this
requirement
that
it
be
permitted
to
occur.
E
E
So
the
type
of
vegetation
can
change
as
you
move
from
the
water,
Upland
and
and
also
sort
of
you
can
pick
and
choose
Heights
within
that
those
different
categories
to
create
the
kind
of
effect
that
you're
looking
for.
E
So
here
are
some
examples
of
of
the
Wetland
plan,
all
the
way
to
the
right
that
would
be
closest
or
on
the
water's
edge,
the
transitional
plants
and
then
Upland
plants
on
the
left,
and
so
what
you're
seeing
here
is
that
you
know
there's
there's
a
variety
of
options.
You
know
everything
from
short
grasses
to
flowering
perennials
to
shrubs,
and
you
know
maybe
in
more
Upland
areas
three.
E
E
And
so
we
might
use
different
types
of
ground
covers
different
types
of
plants
in
different
situations,
so,
for
example,
on
the
top
of
the
page
here,
the
slope
right
behind
Kenrick,
that's
so
we're
kind
of
looking
at
the
intersection.
Kenrick
is
right
above
the
top
of
the
page,
and
then
Lakeshore
Road
is
is
running
diagonally
near
the
bottom.
So
where
slopes
are
very
Steep
and
you
don't
necessarily
want
to
encourage
foot
traffic,
you
might.
F
E
Shrubs
and
ground
covers
in
place
where
you
want
something
to
establish
Roots
quickly
and
where
maintenance
access
is
difficult.
So
it's
the
type
of
material
that
sort
of
grows
to
a
certain
extent,
and
it's
it's
not
it's
not
like
a
Terrain.
It
keeps
growing
to
60
feet.
It
kind
of
reaches
its
five
foot
limit
inside
in
other
places
where
views
are
a
priority.
E
You
might
want
to
supplement
that
with
an
understory
so
that
there
is
sort
of
a
concentration
of
vegetation
in
pockets
and
that
those
can
be
used
most
effectively
as
sort
of
a
mini
little
I
don't
want
to
call
it
a
mini
Forest,
because
that
would
give
the
impression
that
it's
too
dense
but
essentially
clumps
of
vegetation
that
would
provide
that
buffer
benefit.
E
So
we
talk
about
access
points.
What
we
want
to
do
is
provide
sanctioned
access
points
that
we
can
protect
so
that
we
can
sort
of
armor
them
against
extra
pedestrian
traffic
and
not
end
up
with
areas
of
bare
soil
where
we
have
problems
with
erosion.
So
by
directing
people
to
certain
locations
we
can
reinforce
those
locations
and
ensure
that
they
can
handle
the
foot
traffic
that
comes
from
all
those
visitors.
E
So,
rather
than
having
you
know,
the
access
point
diagram
that
I
showed
earlier,
where
there's
30
different
ones,
trying
to
concentrate
people
but
then,
but
then
plan
for
those
people
to
be
there.
E
So
here
you'll
see
there
are
a
number
of
asset
points
planned
and
then
also
a
number
of
areas
where,
for
various
reasons,
it
might
not
be
appropriate
to
have
an
access
point
such
as
you
know,
the
slope
might
be
quite
steep
there,
but
the
view
is
quite
good
and
we
know
people
will
be
drawn
there.
So
we
want
to
be
able
to
accommodate
that
so
we're
looking
at
access
points.
It
could
look
like
something
like
this.
E
So
here
is
an
area
where
perhaps
the
slope
is
relatively
Steep
and
the
access
point
is
a
platform
that
you
could
walk
down
to
and
then
you
know
stand
on
the
surface
of
the
platform
instead
of
eroding
the
surface
of
the
bank
by
standing
directly
on
the
bank
itself.
So
your
example,
you
see
on
the
right
there's
a
wooden
constructed
platform,
there's
also
a
metal
great
platform.
These
are
options
depending
on
what
would
be
desired.
E
The
accessibility
of
these
locations
depends
to
some
extent
on
what
materials
we
use
and
also
the
slope.
That
is
the
pathway
that
you,
where
you
would
get
down
to
these
access
points
and
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
moment.
E
So
the
access
point
doesn't
need
to
be
as
constructed
as
a
platform.
It
could
also
simply
be
a
collection
of
Boulders
which
are
used
to
help
hold
soil,
and
you
know
create
pockets
for
people
to
sit
and
enjoy
the
view,
but
not,
but
but
the
vegetation
is
planted,
sort
of
amongst
the
The
Boulders
same
thing
could
occur
with
what
I
referred
to
as
core
logs,
which
you
see
in
the
bottom
right,
and
that
is
a
sort
of
an
in-process
photo.
E
But
essentially
core
logs
are
bundles
of
organic
material
used
to
kind
of
stabilize
the
slope,
and
then
you
can
backfill
it
with
soil
and
then
sort
of
a
walking
surface.
On
top
of
that,
you
can
also
plant
the
core
logs
so
that
they
can
get
further
established
by
having
a
plant.
E
Roots
within
them,
so
these
are
sort
of
our
options
that
we've
devised
for
those
access
points
that
we
just
talked
about
now.
The
way
you
approach
the
access
points
is
also
important,
and
I
mentioned
this
with
in
terms
of
accessibility.
So
on
a
steep
slope,
we
don't
want
to
try
to
come
straight
down
onto
the
access
point.
E
That's
crazy,
an
erosion
problem,
so
by
kind
of
coming
at
these
access
points
from
diagonally
from
the
side,
then
that's
better
for
accessibility,
provides
more
protection
against
erosion
and
also
from
the
water
line
of
sight
is
blocked
for
some
of
the
wildlife
that
might
be
less
desirable,
like
the
Canada
Goose,
but
is
the
line
of
sight
is
still
maintained
for
people.
G
E
Now
I've
mentioned
in
vases
a
lot,
and
so
essentially
the
goal
is
to
treat
invases
on
the
entire
property.
They
have
a
tendency
to
wander
so
the
goal
is
to
treat
them
all,
but
you
have
to
do
this
somewhat
strategically,
because
right
now
there
are
too
many
to
be
treated
all
at
once.
So
the
strategy
for
this
is
to
treat
small
populations
before
they
become
a
widespread
problem.
If
there
are
small
pockets
of
new
invasive
species
that
we
spot
on
the
site,
we
would
want
to
treat
that
before
it
started
spreading.
E
The
other
thing
we
want
to
do
is
listed
here
is
number
two:
remove
invasive
sampling,
shrubs
everybody
in
the
buffer
zone
as
we
work
to
improve
it
so
anywhere
where
we
were
going
to
improve
or
add
buffer.
We
want
to
make
sure
we
stripped
out
the
invasive
species
first
and
then
in
areas
where
we
have
dense
strength
stands
of
invasive
trees.
So
say
there
are.
You
know
three
of
Heaven
is:
is
one
such
invasive,
so
let's
say
we
have
20
of
them
all
together,
you
would
Implement
a
phase.
E
Removal
and
replanting
process
and
I'll
show
you
that
next,
so
in
this
diagram,
we've
started
the
left
say
the
existing
condition.
You've
got
those
20
mature
invasive
trees,
the
three
of
Heaven,
which
has
a
great
name,
but
is
not
a
great
trade
and
over
time
you
move
from
left
to
right,
where
you
remove
a
percentage
of
the
mature
trees
and
you
remove
all
of
the
little
baby
guides.
So
all
of
the
small
saplings
get
removed
so
that
they
of
the
invasive
so
that
they
cannot
grow
up
to
become
adult.
E
E
Now
we
also
haven't
talked
too
much
about
the
wooded
areas
yet,
and
so
we
wanted
to
just
make
a
special
note
about
those,
because
the
site
also
has
these
great
wooded
areas
that
currently
are
suffering
again
from
kind
of
a
proliferation
of
invasive
species,
and
so
there's
also
some
property
lying
concerns
and
there's
some
dumping.
That
seems
to
be
happening,
and
so
we
want
to
do
is
move
forward
with
in
the
master
plan,
with
removing
the
debris
and
clarifying
property
boundaries.
So
we
can
get
established.
E
What's
what
and
then
treat
invases
moving
from
the
edges
inward,
because
edges
are
vulnerable
to
colonization
by
invasives,
and
in
this
way
you
can
kind
of
improve
the
periphery
and
then
start
moving
inward
to
the
areas
that
are
already
degraded
and
improve
those.
E
Ultimately
we're
recommending
that
there's
a
trail
through
the
Woodland
area
that
would
expand
the
opportunities
for
Recreation
on
the
site,
give
people
more
access
to
this
unique
environment,
and
then
we
would
install
understory
planting
specifically
at
locations
along
that
trail.
E
So
there'd
be
specific
improvements
tied
to
the
location
and
path
of
that
trail
itself,
and
then
on
the
right.
You
see
some
of
the
SE
really
love
the
Woodland
plant.
It
would
be
installed
in
these
sorts
of
areas,
as
in
bases
were
removed.
F
E
So
much
of
the
because
there
are
those
four
inlets
currently
bringing
storm
water
into
the
pond
itself.
Three
uses
and
improvements
are
something
we're
considering
now.
This
depends
to
a
large
extent
of
which
pollutants
are
entering
the
pond.
So
how
you
want
to
treat
those
inputs
of
water
depends
on
whether
you're
dealing
with
water
that
has
high
salts
or
high
phosphorus,
and
so
the
strategy
is
different,
depending
on
which
one
that
is
the
first
step
is
water
quality
testing
to
determine
what
best
management
practices
which
you
may
have
heard
called
bmps.
What?
E
But
best
management
practices
will
have
the
best
impact,
but
some
of
the
ones
that
are
being
considered.
You
can
see
on
this
page,
so
Upstream
catch
basins
if
the
catch
basins
currently
do
not
have
a
sump
where
they
trap
sediment,
that's
something
that
can
be
added
an
education
campaign
about
you
know
to
the
neighboring
communities
about
how
important
it
is
that
what
they
put
down
the
dream
be
only
water
and
not
other
things
that
can
cause
pollution
issues
in
the
pond
itself.
E
And
then
the
bottom
row
are
sort
of
items
we
can
consider
supplementing
in
the
pond
itself
or
at
the
inlet
to
improve
water
quality.
So
things
like
floating
Wetlands
or
an
interim
Wetland
or
interim
pool
where
the
inlet
dumps
into
a
smaller
pool
before
it
moves
into
the
larger
Pond,
which
would
allow
us
to
do
some
interim
treatment
before
it
went
into
the
larger
pond
and
then
a
soil
which
has
a
similar
idea
where
the
inlet
might
dump
into
a
Swale
that
would
Meander
and
help
soak
up
pollutants
before
it
injured.
The
larger
pond.
E
And
then
also
the
master
plan
is
going
to
be
tackling
maintenance
and
management.
And
again
this
is
important,
because
you
put
all
this
effort
into
improving
what's
out
there.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
those
things
can
be
maintained
for
the
long
term,
so
we're
looking
at
signage,
educational,
signage,
Outreach,
also,
a
maintenance
guide
for
regular
maintenance
like
lawn
mowing,
but
also
special
occasion
maintenance.
So,
if
is.
E
Where
we
are
proposing
Meadow
practices
that
it's
understood,
how
those
can
be
how
those
are
maintained,
properly,
also
guidance
on
identifying
invasive
species,
so
that
they
can
be
identified
again
much
easier
to
tackle
a
small
area
of
invasive
species
before
it
becomes
a
larger
one.
E
So,
as
I
mentioned,
you
know
the
fact
that
the
100
foot
buffer
and
you
work
within
there
Falls
within
the
Boston
Conservation
Commission,
so
that
sort
of
information,
along
with
guidance
for
property
owners
who
live
on
the
pond
perimeter,
and
they
want
to
know
what
is
the
best
thing
that
they
can
do
to
improve
the
health
of
the
pond
and
you
know,
improve
their
own
properties
as
well.
E
So,
overall,
we
wanted
to
come
up
with
a
strategy
for
how
we're
going
to
implement
all
these
great
ideas.
So
essentially
it's
these
four
categories
that
we
have
come
up
with,
stabilize
intervene,
improve
and
then
add,
and
so
generally
you
would
move
across
from
left
to
right,
as
you
work
through
projects
to
First
stabilize
the
worst
areas
that
are
out
there.
Intervene
to
in,
to
make
small
improvements
and
to
keep
things
from
degrading
then
improve
what
exists.
E
Things
like
extending
the
existing
buffer
or
instituting
better
maintenance
procedures
and
then
finally
doing
things
that
are
additional
things
like
that
new
Woodland
pathway
or
maybe
new
storm
water
infrastructure.
E
So
for
phase
one
where
we
are
going
to
say
we're
going
to
take
this
Grant
and
CPA
funding
that
the
friends
of
Chandler
pond
managed
to
acquire
and
we're
going
to
use
that
for
phase
one
activity.
Where
do
we
want
to
focus
that?
And
so
logically,
we
want
to
start
with
things
on
the
left
side
of
that
strategy,
so
stabilizing,
what's
out
there
and
intervening
to
stop
any
further
degradation.
E
So
this
is
what
we're
looking
at
for
phase
one
work
and
it's
a
bit
of
a
mix
of
sort
of
working
in
different
areas.
But
the
ideas
are
the
same
where
we
want
to
stabilize
and
intervene
so
we're
going
to
remove
the
small
colonies
of
invases
where
they
exist,
and
we
mentioned
this
before
always
easier
to
start
with
something
or
to
tackle
something.
When
it's
smaller,
then
let
it
gain
a
lot
of
ground
and
so
everywhere
that
you
see
an
a
that
that
sort
of
situation
that
we're
planning
B.
E
Cu
relates
to
adding
new
buffer
and
repairing
the
erosion.
That's
there
on
the
slopes
right
now
and
then
all
the
slots,
where
you
see
D,
are
where
we've
identified
a
particularly
nasty
invasive,
such
as
knotweed
or
where
there
are
large
stands
of
trees,
where
we
want
to
start
doing
that
phase.
Removal
process
we're
the
ones
who
make
sure
that
we
are
accommodating
people's
need
for
Access
and
so
phase
one.
F
E
Next
phase
of
work
and
figure
out
how
best
to
improve
the
water
quality
in
the
pond-
and
we
also
want
to
work
on
improving
I'm
sorry
protecting
the
buffer
that
we
do
make
with
temporary
fencing
so
that
the
plants
in
the
new
buffer
can
get
established.
A
Yeah
thanks
Tracy,
so
this
slide
we
wanted
to
look
at
a
pathway
to
implementation.
So
looking
Beyond
phase
one,
there
are
a
few
paths
towards
a
full
build
out
to
achieve
a
level
of
Maintenance
and
also
sorry
a
full
build
out
and
also
to
achieve
the
level
of
Maintenance.
That's
desirable
here
so
to
fund
subsequent
phases.
One
option
would
be
to
apply
for
additional
CPA
funds.
An
application
may
be
viewed
favorably
after
a
successful
phase.
One
implementation-
the
downside
of
this-
is
that
it
is
a
competitive
process.
A
A
A
A
You
know
some
of
this
could
potentially
be
done
by
volunteers.
If
there's
an
interest
but
permitting,
is
required
for
that
work
and
which
we
expect
to
get
permitted
as
part
of
this
process,
but
then
an
MOA
or
mou
would
be
required
just
to
outline
explicitly
what
can
be
done
and
then
contracted
services
are
another
consideration
and
that
could
bring
specialized
expertise.
This
does
come
at
a
cost.
A
A
So
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
we'll
start
our
discussion
and
I
do
want
to
thank
councilor.
Braden
has
I,
think
joined
us
and
also
we
have
I,
think
Nikita
burns
from
representative
Warren's
office
and
Alex
Camarena
from
representative
Conan's
office.
So
thanks
for
joining
us
and
with
that
we'll
open
it
up
to
questions
or
feel
free
to
put
questions
in
the
chat.
If
you
feel
more
comfortable.
J
You
did
you
have
moved
me.
I
always
get
confused.
What
these
things
happen,
so
thanks
for
so
much
for
the
presentation.
I
really
appreciated
it
I'm
at
52.
Just
so
you
know
on
Lake
Shore
Road,
so
that
gives
you
an
idea
for
that.
J
I
have
tons
and
tons
of
questions,
there's
a
lot
that
I
need
to
process,
but
I
do
have
a
couple
of
things
that
I
want
to
just
kind
of
put
out
there,
and-
and
maybe
you
know,
we
can
have
certainly
further
discussions
yay
for
removing
all
the
invasive
kinds
of
things.
That's
that's
terrific.
It's
long
overdue,
just
a
point
of
clarification,
the
trees
that
are
closest
to
the
sidewalk
on
Lakeshore
Road,
those
ones
were
ones
that
were
were
planted
there.
J
Okay,
so
are
those
ones
that
you
would
plan
on
removing
or
those
I
couldn't
I,
don't
understand
if
vases
versus
non-invasive
species
and
all
the
names
of
the
trees,
but
are
those
the
ones
you
would
consider
removing
or
is
that
ones
that
would
remain
so
that's
my
first
question.
E
J
That's
yeah,
that's
great,
because
those
those
are
the
ones
that
that
have
been
there
for
many
many
years
and
those
were
really
the
only
ones
that
were
planted
in
the
Park
area,
except
for
ones
that
we
have
scattered
ones
in
memorials
for
people.
J
The
slide
question
for
the
slide
that
says:
master
plan,
maintenance
and
management.
You
had
a
fence
with
all
the
buffers
and
plant
buffers
I'm
really
concerned
about
that
one.
There
you
go
because
if
you
see
on
the
right,
that's
where
they
there
were
benches
along
for
people
to
sit
and
enjoy
the
pond,
and
if
you
have
buffers
that
are
that
high
nobody's
going
to
see
anything
and
nobody's
going
to
be
able
to
enjoy
anything.
J
So
maybe
that's
just
an
example
of
what
could
be
there.
But
to
me,
that's
like
way
too
high
for
for
some
of
the
things
that
the
people
would
like
to
do
for
it.
Okay,
so
that's
just
a
comment
for
that
third
thing
and
then
I'll
shut
up
because
there's
other
people
who
want
to
talk
and
I
get
that
when
you're
talking
about
the
the
Wastewater
coming
in
there,
the
there
have
been.
J
Certainly
a
lot
of
different
folks
throughout
the
years,
my
mother,
one
of
them
who
has
really
tried
to
maintain
the
Integrity
of
the
pond
and
the
water
that
goes
into
it.
J
But
one
of
the
problems
that
we
ran
into
was
all
that
the
water
coming
into
the
pond
was
full
of
fertilizers
from
the
town
of
States
from
the
golf
course
all
those
kinds
of
things-
and
that
was
very
tough-
to
try
to
control
that,
and
that
was
what
was
leading
to
so
much
growth
within
the
pond,
because
when
the
pond
was
drained
and
they
removed
so
much
of
the
gunk
within
the
pond,
it
was
due
to
the
fertilizers
that
were
being
you
know,
drained
into
the
pond.
J
So
I
know
you
had
mentioned
that
there
might
be
some
ways
to
catch
some
of
that,
but
that's
something
I
just
think
you
really
need
to
be
aware
of
I
know:
you'll,
do
your
own
testing!
Things
could
have
changed
over
the
years.
I
get
that,
but
that's
something
that's
a
concern
and
I.
Don't
know
how
we
kind
of
monitor
that
or
try
to
control
that.
So
thank
you.
I'm
sure
I'll
have
questions,
but
I
can
reach
out
to
you
with
your
emails
for
further
ones.
So
thank
you.
A
Thanks
Donna,
those
are
great
points
and
maybe
I'll
just
touch
briefly
on
that
last
point
about
the
water
coming
into
the
pond.
We're
certainly
investigating
the
options
for
that
for
addressing
that,
because
there's
obviously
multiple
sources
and
so
I
am
talking
with
the
groundskeeper
of
the
golf
course
tomorrow.
A
There's
I
think
starting
to
do
take
some
steps
to
to
minimize
what
they're
putting
out
and
if
we
need
to
address
that
more
on
our
end,
you
know
we
may
try
to
have
a
treatment
pond
on
our
side
or
you
know
sorry
I
should
just
say
like
a
Swale
on
our
side,
also
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer
I've
spoken
to
them
about
the
catch
basins
that
drain
directly
into
the
pond
they've
expressed.
A
You
know
some
willingness
to
reconnect
those
to
the
storm
storm
system,
so
I
think
that
would
definitely
help
to
keep
that
runoff
from
going
into
the
pond.
So
it's
a
great
point,
and
certainly
one
that
we're
we're
looking
into.
A
K
Yeah
I
mean
I
may
not
be
sure.
I
can't
see
my
own
face
because
I'm
on
my
my
iPad,
but
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
for
all
the
work
you're
doing
my
questions
are
about
animal
ecology.
We've
been
talking
about
plant
ecology,
we've
been
talking
about
invasives
and
and
and
other
ways
to
try
to
rationalize
the
future
vegetation,
but
I'd
like
to
know
more
about
how
your
how
you're
figuring
in
the
animal
ecology,
because
people
when
they
come
from
views,
they're
coming
to
watch.
K
Many
of
them
are
coming
to
watch
the
birds
and
I'm
I
mean
I'm,
not
being
facetious
when
I
say.
So.
What
do
your
plans
look
like
from
the
perspective
of
a
heron
from
the
perspective
of
the
half
dozen
or
more
species
of
diving
ducks
that
rely
on
the
pond
for
for
their
fishing?
What
does
it
look
like
from
these
dozens
of
different
kinds
of
Warblers
that
come
come
through
here?
L
E
Again,
I'm
sorry
go
ahead,
go.
E
I
was
just
gonna
say
it's
certainly
something
we
have
been
considering
and
we
are
working
with
an
ecologist
to
help
build
a
plant
palette
that
can
support
the
type
of
you
know:
flora
and
fauna
that
we're
looking
to
attract
to
the
site.
So
thank
you
for
letting
us
know
about
the
you
know
some
of
the
specifics
and
if
you
do
have
specific
species
that
you
know
are
there
that
you'd
like
us
to
prove
to
kind
of
cater
to.
E
You
can
certainly
pass
that
info
on
to
Amy
and
we
can
work
with
the
the
palette
to
kind
of
increase.
You
know
habitat
and
feeding
and
nesting
areas
for
them,
but
I
don't
know
Kyle
did
you
want
to
add
some
things?
Yeah.
D
I'll,
add
on
to
that
so
I
mean
when
we
talk
about
water
quality.
It's
not
just
talking
about
water
quality.
For
that
sake,
it's
to
support
a
more
diverse
and
healthier
Pond,
which
supports
the
wildlife
in
that
pond.
It
then
feeds
the
birds
and
the
wildlife
around
the
pond
same
thing
when
we're
talking
about
vegetation
and
changing
invasive
species
or
managing
it
in
favor
of
native.
We
know
that
native
species
support
more
wildlife
and
more
diverse
Wildlife.
A
Great
thank
you.
Counselor
Braden
would
like
to
make
a
few
comments.
H
All
good,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
the
wonderful
presentation.
It's
very
comprehensive
and
it's
really
been
very
much
appreciated.
This
is
an
incredible
space.
H
The
Chandra
Pond
as
you've
been
working
on
and
I
think
you've
come
to
appreciate
the
a
very
well
used
and
well-loved
space
that
offers
some
passive,
Green
Space
in
in
our
neighborhood
and
in
the
city,
and
it's
a
place
where
migratory
birds
come
through
and
it's
a
great
place
for
bird
watchers
to
come
and
and
watch
the
migration
of
the
birds
and
it's
it's
really
also.
A
great
space
for
community
building
and
I
want
to
shout
out
the
friends
of
the
Chandler
Pond
who've
been
working
on,
maintaining
the
pawn
trying
to
keep.
H
You
know,
address
the
invasive
species
and
just
really
work
to
keep
it
an
accessible
and
wonderful,
passive,
green
space
in
the
city.
So,
through
their
advocacy,
we've
got
the
first
round
of
CPA
money.
It's
something
we
might
need
to
get
to
work
and
work
on
getting
some
more
going
forward
and
I
just
want
to
let
everybody
know
that
their
advocacy
is
really
important.
H
H
It's
all
very,
very
exciting
and
I
see
lots
of
potential
for
this
space
in
terms
of
Partnerships,
with
our
local
school
over
at
the
Edison
Etc,
so
I'm
I
really
want
to
let
you
know
that
we're
all
in
to
try
and
support
this
process
going
forward
and
to
realize
the
the
dreams
are
the
aspirations
of
this
plan
this
evening,
because,
as
if
I
think
it
is
doable
and
preserving
this
green
space
is
vitally
important
and
making
it
accessible
as
a
community.
Gathering
Space
is
really
important.
So
thank
you
all
for
your
work.
A
Great,
thank
you
counselor,
that's
really
great
to
hear,
and
we
appreciate
your
interest
in
this
project.
A
M
Hi,
thank
you.
This
is
Kate
I'm,
Dan
shurless,
and
we
also
like
Donna
back
on
to
Chandler
Pond
and
very
much
enjoyed
the
view.
We're.
M
And
my
family
also
has
a
presence
on
another
Massachusetts
historical
ice,
harvesting,
Pond,
a
natural
one,
and
that
experience
I'm
sensitive
to
three
threats
that
we
have
here,
two
of
which
have
already
been
discussed
or
asked
about.
One
is
the
fact
that
phosphorus
is
a
real
problem
for
freshwater
ponds
and
I'm,
very
pleased
Amy
that
that
you
are
talking
to
the
golf
course
about
that.
M
Unfortunately,
certain
other
jurisdictions
think
that
all
wetlands
are
brackish
or
saltwater
and
don't
appreciate
that
particular
sensitivity,
which
is
a
real
problem
for
keeping
the
water
clear.
So
thank
you
for
that.
The
the
second
threat
which
Ellen
Messer
asked
about
in
chat,
is
no
I'm.
Sorry
that
Shirley
Milgram
asked
about
in
chat.
M
Ellen
was
asking
about
the
birds
we
want
and
Troy
was
asking
about
the
birds.
We
don't
want
the
geese.
We
used
to
have
Goose
mitigation
meetings
at
the
pond,
which
is
my
favorite
name
for
meeting
ever,
and
one
of
the
actions
for
the
city
was
indeed
having
boundary
shrub,
not
clear,
cutting
right
down
to
the
water's
edge.
M
I
know
you
can't
do
anything
about
private
homeowners,
so
I'm
pleased
to
see
the
the
boundary
area
expanded
to
that
end
and
the
fences
that
will
protect
that
might
keep
City
personnel
from
cutting
right
back
and
undoing
your
hard
work.
Why
so,
my
question
about
that
is
why
so
many
access
points
in
light
of
the
desire
to
cut
down
on
goose
traffic
and
then
there's
a
third
thread.
I
wanted
to
mention
is
milfoil.
M
There
were
I
for
all
I
know
still
are
some
wonderful
volunteers
who
were
clearing
the
screen
at
the
inlet
to
keep
milfoil
from
floating
in
and
that
stuff
gets
real
nasty.
Real,
quick,
I
I
didn't
catch
that
being
mentioned
in
terms
of
threats
to
the
pond.
Well,
we
still
have
the
screen.
Will
that
be
cleared?
Is
there
anything
else
to
be
done
and
again?
Thank
you
for
this
meeting
and
for
the
excellent
plan
and
presentation
by
Tracy.
A
Tracy,
do
you
want
to
talk
about
the
the
geese
specifically.
E
Sure-
and
it
wasn't
an
item
that
we
particularly
focused
on
because
in
a
lot
of
ways,
what's
good
for
the
ecology
is
bad
for
the
geese,
so
it
tends
to
work
out.
As
you
noted,
you
know,
adding
a
deeper
buffer
having
shrub
deters
the
geese
from
moving
from
the
water
onto
the
land.
If
they
don't
have
that
interface
anymore,
they
tend
to
find
better
places
to
choose
to
go.
I
know
you
asked
about
the
number
of
access
points
and
it's
definitely
a
balance
between
people
are
going
to
make
them.
E
If
you
don't
give
those
access
points
to
people,
so
you
want
to
make
sure
we
do
provide
them.
What
we're
looking
at
doing
is
geese
also
don't
tend
to
like
changes
in
elevations.
So
some
of
the
access
point
features,
like
you
know:
building
up
a
little
wall
of
Boulders
at
the
front
of
it
or
using
the
core
logs,
creates
enough
of
an
elevation
change,
the
sort
of
less
desirable
for
the
geese
again
platforms.
E
E
Without
it
being
sort
of,
you
know
the
the
techniques
where
you
can
have
the
glittery
flags
flying
or
you
know,
as
as
that's
not
necessarily
really,
you
know
it's
not
what
everyone
wants
to
see
right,
it
might
work,
but
so
we're
kind
of
trying
to
work
with
deterring
them
and
hope,
and
you
know
with
with
the
idea
that
they
will
go
elsewhere
if
there
are
better
options
and
that
option
does
not
want
to
be
tan
or
Bond.
A
And
I
would
also
add
that
the
friends
of
Chandler
pond
have
generously
brought
in
someone
called
the
or
a
company
called
the
geese
police
which-
and
maybe
that's
something
I,
don't
know
if
one
of
the
friends
want
to
talk
about,
but
it
sounds
like
it's
been
pretty
effective,
I
mean
they've,
they've
funded
it.
So
we
appreciate
that
and
it's
involves
I
think
trained
dogs
who
scare
off
the
geese.
A
So
not
that
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
can
happen
regularly,
but
it
sounds
like
it's
been
effective
and
then
I
think
talking
responding
to
your
question
about
the
screen
at
the
inlet,
we're
still
kind
of
discussing
how
we're
going
to
treat
that
area,
and
my
understanding
is
that
the
golf
course
did
get
to
permit
to
treat
some
of
that
milfoil
on
their
end
with
the
nervous
side.
A
So
once
I
hear
more
about
what
they're
doing
it
may
sort
of
shape
that
strategy,
we
did
try
to
get
Austin,
Water
and
Sewer
to
put
the
phosphorus
removal
system.
At
that
point,
the
last
conversation
I
had
with
them
was
that
they
don't
think
the
space
will
allow
it's
I,
guess
pretty
large.
A
So
we'll
have
to
look
at
an
alternative
to
that
and
then
I
think
we're
getting
some
questions
on
the
water
testing
topic.
So,
in
the
short
term,
we
are
planning
to
bring
in
a
company
to
do
a
water
test.
They
recommend,
typically
in
like
late
May,
early
June
and
that'll
help
us
understand
some
of
those
nutrient
levels,
I
think
in
the
long
term,
we're
still
trying
to
sort
that
out
the
Charles
River
Watershed
Association
is
also
in
you
know
interested
in
the
water
quality,
since
it
ends
up
in
the
Charles.
A
So
we're
looking
we're
discussing
with
them.
If
there's
a
program
that
we
can
work
with
them
on
to
do
regular
water
quality
testing.
So
that's
that's
a
little
bit
still
up
in
the
air.
N
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation.
I
just
had
a
quick
question
on
one
of
the
first
slides
I
think
it
had
an
estimated
cost
of
360
000.
Is
that
right?
N
A
That's
phase
one,
so
that's
sort
of
the
construction
budget
that
we've
started
with
so
Kyle's
office
is
sort
of
Designing
to
that.
To
that
budget,
Tracy
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
speak
to
sort
of
what
the
larger
full
build
out
cost
was.
E
N
Oh
my
gosh
yikes,
okay,
thank
you.
A
Okay,
John
cipedis
hi.
L
Thank
you.
My
name
is
John
tapatis
I'm
at
88
Kendrick
street
I'm,
wondering
if
the
Landscape
Architects
could
provide
more
detail
on
the
location
of
removal
of
invasives
and
planting
of
any
new
buffer
for
the
residences
along
the
Kendrick
Street
side
of
the
pond,
between
the
residences
of
Kendrick,
Street
and
and
the
pond
I
appreciate
it.
L
E
E
There
are
actually
parts
of,
for
instance,
the
ponds
Wetland
that
are
in
some
residences
backyards,
for
example,
and
so
Parks
well,
I,
guess
Amy.
You
can
speak
to
this,
but
I
don't
believe
Parks
is
allowed
to.
You
know,
engage
and
work
in
those
properties.
We
certainly
can
provide
educational
Guidance
with
you
know,
within
the
master
plan
about
what
can
be
done,
but
the
goal
is
to
remove
invasives
on
the
parks,
owned
property.
L
Yes,
it's
not
about
it's
not
about
what's
going
on
on
private
property.
It's
my
question
is:
is
more
I
I'd
like
to
understand
the
location
of
the
removal
of
the
invasives
between
the
private
property
on
Kendrick,
Street
and
the
pond?
So
I
am
talking
about
the
the
park
property?
Does
that
make
more
sense.
E
And
and
that
work
is
currently
not
proposed
for
phase
one.
So
in
terms
of
the
specifics,
as
in
you
know
what
species
might
actually
be
placed
there,
I,
don't
think
we're
at
a
point
where
we'll
be
able
to
say
the
I
know,
there
is
a
collection
of
knotweed
on
one
of
the
banks
behind
Kenrick
I'm,
not
sure
where
you
are
in
relation
to
that,
but
that
one
that
particular
collection
of
knotweed
would
be
targeted
in
Phase
One,
but
not
weed
treatment
takes
several
years.
E
So
again
the
replanting
would
not
occur
until
likely
your
two
or
three
as
a
follow-up,
once
the
the
not
meet
has
been
thoroughly
eradicated,
which
takes
some
time.
L
Okay,
so
if,
if
I'm
at
88
Kenrick,
which
is
two
houses
to
the
east
of
the
path
that
goes
down
to
the
pond,
there's
no
work
planned
either
for
removal
or
for
replanting
on
the
park
property
between
my
residents
and
the
neighboring
residences,
and
the
pond
is
that
is
that
about
it.
A
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
it's
a
little
hard
to
say
when
the
next
phase
will
happen,
giving
the
different
paths
forward,
but
I
think
it
would
be.
You
know
hopeful
in
the
next
three
to
four
years,
I'd
say.
L
A
G
Thanks
Amy
thanks
everyone
for
being
here
before
I.
Ask
my
question:
I
just
want
to
encourage
everybody
to
join
friends
of
Chandler
Pond
and
because
the
more
members
we
have
the
more
support,
the
more
attention
we
get
from
the
city,
so
you
can
go
to
friends
of
Chandler
Pond
online
and
go
to
the
membership
link
and
support
it
financially.
G
So
my
question
is
one.
My
first
question
is
about
all
the
Fallen
trees
that
you
know
have
fallen
into
the
pond
and
over
all
the
years
that
we've
been
trying
to
work,
get
the
project
done
gathered
still
and
then
have
new
invasives,
growing
and
I
would
estimate.
The
pond
has
probably
lost
a
full
acre
because
it
just
has
been
shrinking.
So
will
those
logs
be
taken
out
of
the
pond
or
what
is
the
plan
for
that
and
and
those
that's?
G
My
second
question:
I
have
to
say
the
two
million
dollar
figure
just
stunned
me
and
I'm.
So
I'm
wondering
one:
why
is
there
no
Capital
funding
available
from
Parks
to
Lefty,
25
and
two?
What's
left
of
the
CPA
Grant
right
now
at
you
know,
in
the
Parks
account.
A
So
from
the
I'll
just
answer
that
last
question
from
the
CPA
Grant
and
the
DCR
Grant
as
well,
so
that
I
think
totaled
450
000
so
from
that
to
cover
design
fees
and
then
the
construction
of
the
phase,
one
which
we
allocated
360
000
of
that
for
phase
one.
A
That
is
the
portion
that
we're
putting
towards
this
first
phase.
So
it
hasn't,
the
construction
portion
hasn't
been
spent.
Yet,
but
that's
what's
that's
what's
being
used
for
for
this
particular
project,
I!
Think
in
I!
Guess
in
the
scheme
of
things
you
know:
I
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
totally
surprised
by
that
price
tag,
because
I
think
this
is.
This
is
a
pretty
large
a
large
area.
I
should
say
so.
A
You
know
to
cover
the
full
perimeter
of
the
pond
and
then
looking
at
some
of
the
other
portions
of
the
park.
I
think
a
lot
of
that.
It
is
a
you
know.
It's
a
pretty
large
expensive
area.
H
A
I
guess
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
I
can
answer
the
other
question
about
the
capital
funds,
because
I
kind
of
came
in
you
know
came
into
Parks
only
somewhat
recently
and
when
I
say
fy25.
So
that's
basically
like
a
year
from
now
making
that
request.
So
it's
it's
July
of
2024,
so
I
think
that's
you
know
a
year
out
from
the
next.
The
next
funding
round
and
I
think
it
is
oftentimes
beneficial
to
have
some.
A
You
know
we'll
have
some
details
on
what
what
the
work
entails.
So
that
may
be
actually
a
make
a
better
case
for
getting
that
funding
and
then
on
the
question
about
the
branch
like
branches
and
things
in
the.
G
A
Yeah
Tracy
I
might
let
you
answer
that
question?
If
you
have
thoughts
on,
is
it
recommended
to
remove
those,
or
is
that
sort
of
another
kind
of
process.
E
Right
well
so,
there's
a
bit
of
some
debate
about
whether
that
is
you
know
permeable,
in
the
sense
that
if
it's,
so
if
a
branch
falls
and
it's
you
know
just
fell,
there
shouldn't
be
any
problem
with
someone
taking
it
out.
The
problem
is
getting
the
someone
anyone
to
take
it
out
right
safely
and
Etc.
The
our
plans
at
present
is
that
where
we
would
be
improving
buffer,
we
would
clean
up
things
that
are,
you
know,
creating
obstructions,
or
so
that
sort
of
thing.
E
So
if
something
had
fallen,
and
that
was
an
area
where
we
were
trying
to
improve
the
buffer,
we
we
might
include
in
the
contracts
are
like
removing
that
you
want
to
just
be
careful
because,
for
instance,
if
it's
a
tree
that
half
Falls
its
roots
are
still
kind
of
holding
on
to
the
soil,
and
so
it's
sort
of
a
tricky
situation.
E
A
lot
of
this
is
that
the
pond
is
a
natural
feature
and
in
reality
any
Pond
left
alone.
Long
enough
will
be
basically
fill
itself
in,
and
so
we're
kind
of
to
maintain
this
as
a
pond,
particularly
as
it's
a
man-made
Pond.
Originally
we're
kind
of
always
fighting
that
desire
of
nature
to
fill
in
this
this
shallow
pond.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
balance
and
I
think
some
of
it
will
end
up
having
to
do
with.
E
You
know
the
the
memorandum
of
understanding
or
memorandum
of
agreement
that
you
know
it
is
created
guiding.
You
know
what
kind
of
volunteer
activities
are
going
to
take
place
in
the
park
or
what
parks
maintenance
will
be
relied
on
to
do.
G
A
Okay,
Shirley.
I
Yes,
I'm
wondering
about
the
the
level
of
effort
this
summer.
Will
the
pond
be
a
construction
site?
Will
we
be
able
to
enjoy
it?
I
know
when
they
dredged
the
pond,
maybe
20
25
years
ago
it
was
pure
Construction.
A
What's
the
plan
yeah,
that's
a
great
question:
yeah
I
mean
I
think
in
some
ways
the
advantage
of
the
phased
implementation
is
that
it
shouldn't
be
really
prohibiting
or
precluding
enjoyment
of
the
pond
around.
You
know
the
majority
of
that
edge
closer
to
Kendrick
Street.
If
the
work,
if
the
work
happens
on
the
Lakeshore
like
Source
road
side,
so
I
don't
know
if
Tracy.
A
Yeah
I
mean
I,
think
inevitably
there's
some
disruption,
of
course,
I.
Think
timeline
for
that
is
I,
don't
know
Tracy
do
you?
Did
you
have
a
sense
of
the
timeline
on
construction?
It's
maybe
three
to
four
months
for
that
work.
E
A
E
Hopefully,
because
we're
going
to
be
talking
about,
you
know
shrubs
we're
not
talking
about
bringing
in
these
giant
trees.
I
think,
probably
the
most
disruptive
things
are
somewhat
if
there's
re-grading
involved
with
building
an
access
point
that
again,
those
should
be
limited
to
days
not
weeks
and
if
there
was
removal
of
large,
mature
trees.
But
again
that
should
be
a
matter
of
days,
not
weeks
the
we
don't
think
we
need
to,
for
instance,
put
up
six
foot
chain
link
fence
around
large
parts
of
the
of
the
site
they're.
E
Just
it's
not
going
to
be
that
kind
of
heavy
machinery,
so
we're
definitely
looking
at
an
eye
to
keeping
it
as
minimally
disruptive
as
possible.
Okay,.
A
No,
it's
a
great
comment
and
I
think
I
think
compared
to
the
the
dredging,
which
was
a
much
you
know
much
more
kind
of
major
project.
It
shouldn't
feel
it's
disruptive,
but
yeah
and
I.
Think
this
like
schedule
wise
we're
looking
at
you
know,
mid-summer
for
starting
at
the
work,
I
I.
Think
if
there's
comments
on
you
know
pushing
that
back.
If
that's
desirable,
you
know
we
obviously
have
somewhat
of
a
limited
limited
window,
but
I
can
imagine
summer
is
sort
of
the
Prime.
A
You
know
time
to
be
around
here,
so
you
know
we
can
certainly
look
at
that
and
sort
of
figure
out
once
once
we
have
a
contractor
on
board
I
think
we
can.
We
can
like
kind
of
look
at
that
schedule
and
try
to
figure
out
what
the
optimal
time
is.
A
Okay,
Susan.
A
O
I
was
wondering
when
I
moved
here
in
1984,
there
were
no
trees
except
the
Linden
trees
and
some
birch
trees
in
front
of
my
house,
and
constantly
these
seedlings
are
growing
up
to
trees.
You
can't
even
see
the
birch
trees
anymore,
which
were
really
beautiful,
and
if
no
one
does
that
the
whole
Pond
is
going
to
be
overgrown.
So
I'm
wondering
what
you're
going
to
do
about
that.
F
E
Sorry
about
that
yeah
Christina!
You
want
me
to
take
this
one
sure.
E
Sure
so,
right
now
there
are
a
number
of
trees
around
the
pond
that
are
invasive
black
locusts.
Being
a
common
one.
Norway
Maples
are
another
one
and
those
would
be
mature
trees.
Those
threes
would
be
removed
in
this
process.
E
We
would
not
necessarily
replant
with
trees
we'd
replant
with
probably
lower
species
for
the
most
part,
because
there
are,
as
you
know,
a
few
desirable
species
in
there
Birches
there's
an
occasional
Red
Maple
and
a
pin
oak
that
they're
kind
of
hanging
out
near
the
water's
edge,
and
so
those
would
remain
primarily
because
it's
very
difficult
to
get
a
permit
from
the
Boston
Conservation
Commission
to
remove
a
healthy
native
tree
that
is
within
a
hundred
foot
of
a
wetland.
E
So
even
if
it
was
desirable
to
remove
every
tree
around
the
pond,
we
wouldn't
be
allowed
to
do
that.
What
we
want
to
do
is
make
sure
that,
when
we're
building
back
the
buffer,
we're
building
the
kind
of
buffer
that
you
know
not
only
promotes
ecology
for
the
pond
ecological
health
is
a
pond,
but
also
recreational
benefits.
So
you
know
we
are
looking
at
putting
in
lower
growing
species
where
views
are
important
and
that
sort
of
thing
I
don't
know.
E
If
that
answers
your
question
or
if
Amy,
if
you
have
anything
to
add,
but
that's
initial
thought.
O
Well,
what
about
all
these
seedlings
that
grow
up
to
trees?
It
takes?
You
know
it
takes
maybe
10
years,
but
it's
taking
away
people's
views.
A
Yeah
and
I
think
that's
something
that
you
know
as
part
of
the
maintenance
plan
will
be
good
to
to
address
like
when
we
talked
about
the
guidance
for
invasives.
You
know
if
these
are
tiny,
self-seeded
trees
that
can
be
pulled
out
at
that
time.
I
think
that's.
A
The
best
way
to
you
know
get
them
when
they're
itty,
bitty,
so
I
think
that
that'll
be
part
of
the
recommendation
for
the
maintenance
and
depending
on
who's
right
doing
that,
but
it
might
actually
be
if,
if
the
friends
are
interested
in,
you
know,
volunteer
activities.
That
might
be
a
great
way
to
address
that.
E
H
E
Know
sort
of
a
management
aspect
going
forward
and
you
know
who's
doing
that
management.
I
guess
is.
E
Up
For
Debate
yet,
but
it
can
be
maintained
to
not
grow
more
mature
trees.
If
that
is
what
it
desirable.
A
Yeah
yeah,
thank
you.
Susan
I'm
gonna,
just
there's
a
couple
questions
in
the
chat.
Sorry
song
I
don't
mean
to
ignore
you
I'll
just
quickly
respond
to
these
I
think
one
was
about
the
I
think
Kenrick
Street
Property
Owners
there
that
may
have
removed
some
buffer
plants
and
I
think
that's
something
that
you
know.
Concom
is
actually
concerned
about,
especially
and
how
that
that
buffer
gets
established
over
there.
So
I
I
think
they
maybe
wanted
to
take
some
steps
to
alert
Property.
A
Owners
of
you
know
what
what
should
be
left
in
place
and
then
what
could
be
planted
there
as
a
recommendation,
so
I
think
there
will
be
some
addressing
that
in
some
to
some
extent
and
then
the
question
on
milfoil.
A
So,
as
I
mentioned,
having
someone
out
to
do
water
quality
testing,
we're
also
planning
to
have
them,
do
a
at
least
a
sort
of
a
summary
of
aquatic
invasives
that
are
in
the
pond.
So
I
I
certainly
understand
that
bill.
King
has
a
lot
of
knowledge
on
that
and
and
he's
I
Know
spoken
with
Nick
long
at
Urban
wilds,
and
that's
that
information
has
been
shared
with
us.
So
I
think,
ultimately
the
recommendation
for
that
may
be
an
herbicide
treatment.
A
F
A
Really
tough
to
yeah
tough
to
make
manually
remove.
So
that's
certainly
something
that
we're
looking
at
as
well.
N
N
A
big
reason
that
none
of
that
took
is
because
they
said
you
know
they
didn't
do
enough
of
it.
So
I'm
wondering
you
know
if
we
have
a
large
amount
of
time
between
the
first
phase
by
the
time
we
get
to
the
second
and
third
phase
is,
is
you
know
the
work
at
the
first
phase
going
to
be
overgrown,
because
you
know
we
still
have
two-thirds
of
the
Palm?
That's
in
basements.
I
E
Yeah
I
mean
this
is
a
magic
number.
There's,
there's
sort
of
two
things
at
play.
E
One
is
that
at
when
we
go
for
permitting
for
the
phase
one
work,
we
can
ask
for
sort
of
permission
basically
to
include
invasive
removal
in
perpetuity
so
that
we
can
continue
to
work
on
that
aspect
and
when
we're
talking
about
sort
of
follow-up,
invasive
removal,
it's
more
about
identifying
that
little
guy
running
right
there,
yanking
him
out,
so
you
know,
that's
sort
of
the
key
to
invasives
is
is
just
like
what
watchfulness
and
then
you
know
action
when
it's
small.
E
The
reason
it's
such
a
problem
now
is
you
know
what
kind
of
just
snowballed,
and
now
it's
a
lot.
So
that's
one
part.
The
other
is
that
the
plan
is
that
where
we
would
remove
invases,
we
would
replant
Natives
and
provide
a
way
to
identify
what
belongs
and
what
doesn't
belong
and
again.
So
that
speaks
to
kind
of
like
the
ongoing.
E
You
know
this
belongs.
This
doesn't
belong.
I
need
to
do
something
about
this
now,
and
visas
are
constantly
going
to
move
into
this
site.
Even
if
we
100
cleared
it
today,
because
a
bird's
gonna
fly
over
and
drop
some
seeds
right
or
like
the
wind's
gonna
blow,
so
it
it's
not
it
sort
of
never
in
a
way.
It's
never
done.
But
you
know
you
want
to
make
the
big
strides,
and
then
it
becomes
something
that
you
can
manage.
E
And
I
think
a
lot
of
you
know
some
of
what
we've
put
into
phase
one
I
know.
Some
people
have
noted
before
you
know:
Park
came
and
planted
a
bunch
of
Hawthorns
on
the
edge
and
now
like
the
knotweed,
had
come
for
them
and
is
absorbing
them,
and
so
that's
what
we
don't
want
to
happen
is
to
have
whatever
you
know,
gains
we
make
get
lost,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we
are
doing
things
kind
of
in
a
map
so
that
it's
easier
to
say
this
area
has
been
treated.
E
C
Thanks
Amy
and
Kyle
and
Tracy
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
Donna
ferullo's
comment
in
the
chat
and
the
concern
that
song
raised
about
the
the
the
time
between
phases.
You
know
Donna
asks
for
those
who
haven't
seen
her
comments.
The.
L
C
Of
Boston
will
be
able
to
fund
the
estimated
2
million
to
complete
the
project
or
will
only
phase
one
be
completed,
and
then
that's
it.
That
I
think
is
a
major
question
for
all
of
us
and
the
second
question,
building
again
on
what
song
said
earlier:
the
concern
that
we
have
about
having
the
the
phases
extend,
you
know
a
long
time
and
that
we
don't
get
the
fruition
of
all
of
this
work
and
planning.
So
could
you
please
respond
to
both
the
funding
and
the
distance
between
the
phases?
A
Yeah
and
I'll
respond
to
the
funding.
I
mean
I,
certainly
agree
with
you
that
we
we
want
to
see
this
funded
to
completion
and
I.
Think
anything
within
you
know
my
power
to
do.
I
would
advocate
for
that.
I
also,
you
know
I
think.
Certainly
it's
great
to
see
Council
Braden
support
it
so
I
think
advocating
to
her
for
that.
A
Funding
as
well
could
be
hugely
helpful,
and
you
know
we
can
certainly
look
at
potentially
other
other
options
like
I
mentioned,
and
sometimes
those
can
all
kind
of
come
together
with
you
know,
partially
funded
through
capital
and
partially
through
grants
and
I
think
that's
also
often
viewed
favorably,
because
there's
multiple,
you
know
sources
so
I
guess
I
certainly
want
that
to
be
the
case
as
well,
because
I
think
it
would
be
unfortunate
to
sort
of
just
start
it
and
you
know
not
be
able
to
complete
it
through
the
full,
build
out
and
I.
A
Think.
Given
the
you
know
the
significance
of
this
water
body
and
its
you
know
connection
to
the
large
larger
you
know:
Charles
River
Watershed,
it's
certainly
you
know,
should
get
the
the
attention
it
deserves.
So
you
know
and
I
think
in
the
maintenance
side,
not
that
that
was
a
specific
question
but
I
think
the
funding
for
that.
L
A
A
little
bit
complicated
because
of
the
you
know,
operating
budget
source
for
the
for
maintenance
is
that's
something
separate
from
Capital.
So
from
my
understanding,
it's
a
little
bit
harder
to
get
that
in
into
the
budget,
but
you
know
I,
think
knowing
that
this
is
like
a
very
unique
Park.
It's
not
you
know
just
your
standard
sort
of
lawn
and
you
know
path
and
playground
kind
of
like
Park.
A
It
would
be
great
to
see
it
get
getting
that
sort
of
special
attention.
So
you
know
I
certainly
certainly
agree
with
that
and
and
want
to
advocate
for
that
as
well.
E
Right
well,
I
was
just
going
to
add
that
you
know
a
lot
of
that
depends
on
sort
of
the
pressures
from
you
know.
So
again,
how?
Where
are
these
other
invasives
pushing
from,
and
in
this
case,
they're
pushing
from
on-site,
so
I
guess
I
at
this
point,
I,
don't
know
that
I
have
the
answer
to
how
long
would
be
too
long
to
go
between
a
phase.
E
I
can
certainly
consult
with
the
ecologists
have
been
working
on
it
with
us
on
this
project
and
see
if
given
their
expertise-
and
you
know
they
did
an
assessment
of
the
site-
whether
they
have
a
recommendation
related
to
you
know
how
long
would
be
too
long
to
go
between
timing
or
between
phases-
and
you
know
include
discussion
of
that,
even
if
it's
not
a
set
answer,
but
a
discussion
of
it
in
the
master
plan.
Does
that
sound
like
something
you
could
work?
Amy.
E
E
That
we're
working
with
about
you
know
sort
of
that
timing.
Issue
and
being
able
to
you
know
include
something
on
that
in
the
master
plan
itself,
yeah.
A
No
I
think
that
makes
sense,
I
think
well
and
I
think
you
know
there
is
the
the
permitting
for
three
years
right
is
valid.
So
that's
where
I
feel
like
there's
certain
things
that
we
want
to
try
to.
You
know
get
into
that.
Permit.
That
may
involve
some
upkeep
in
management,
but
we're
still
sort.
A
Let's
see
so
I
think
sorry
I'm
just
sorting
through
the
chats
I
think
that
was
Donna's
question
as
well
about
the
funding
and
then
the
pink
ribbons
DB.
That's
your
question!
So
those
they
had
flagged
the
Wetland
delineation
on
site
so
that
the
surveyor
could
come
and
and
Mark
that
in
the
survey
plan.
So
that's
where
we
understand
that
edge
of
wetland
and
then
the
the
buffer
that
100
or
I
should
call
the
buffer,
maybe
but
that
regulatory
Zone,
that's
the
100
foot
offset
from
there.
E
A
I
think
even
when
I
was
out
there
recently,
because
I
think
there
were
some
trees
that
you
know
had
maybe
been
flagged
at
one
point
you
know
like
invasives
or
something
I
feel
like
there's
a
little
bit
of
inconsistency.
There
were
some
other
things
that
had
flags
on
them,
so
it
may
have
gotten
a
little
muddled
and
then
okay,
thank
you,
Bill
yeah,
I
think
Nick
has
also
talked
to
me
about
the
not
just
not
just
minor
out
there
as
well.
So
that's
helpful
to
know
and
I
think.
A
If
we
do
this
aquatic
invasive
survey,
we
hope
to
get
some
more
details
on
that
and
the
funds
yeah.
We
certainly
appreciate
the
the
friends
work
on
fundraising
as
well.
So
all
the
the
grant
money
that's
available
now
has
come
through
their
efforts
and,
let's
see.
O
S
yes,
I,
let's
say
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
walk
around
the
pond
with
us
in
a
nice
weather,
so
we
can
conceptualize
what
you're
talking
about,
because
looking
at
pictures,
you
really
can't
get
an
idea.
A
That's
interesting
yeah,
let's
see,
maybe
we
can
maybe
we
can
work
something
out.
I
I
can
certainly
think
about
that
and
get
back
to
you
as
the
weather
gets
nicer,
might
be
a
nice
opportunity
to
be
out
on
site.
E
I
just
wanted
a
quick
follow-up
on
the
pink
flag,
because
I
was
just
looking
back
at
my
photos
and
the
wetlands
lines
were
orange.
Are
these
are
so
I'm,
just
not
sure
the
pink
flags
actually
belong
to
us
so
I'm
concerned
now,
so
are
the
pink
flags
like
around
the
trunks
of
trees
or
like
on
branches.
A
Foreign
Tracy,
there
are
also
some
Flags
when
the
when
Feldman
was
doing
the
the
boundary
markers
they
had
flagged.
Those
were
tied,
I,
think
to
smaller
branches,
but
I
think
they
had
put
tied
those
first
before
they
put
the
boundary
marker
in
so
but
I
did
I.
Think
Nick
and
I
did
see
some
flag
like
landscape
tape,
over
on
some
of
those
trees
of
Heaven
kind
of
near
Kendrick
street,
so
I'm
not
sure
the
origin
of
those
but
yeah
there
could
be
a
a
few
Flags
out
there.
A
Holly's
comment:
yeah
about
the
the
gates
being
too
close
together
for
the
maintenance
Vehicles,
which
we
did
hear
about
that
or
bring
that
up
previously
and
I
I.
Think
it's
a
good,
a
good
comment,
I
think
in
this
phase
we
probably
won't
do
that
work
only
because
focusing
on
that
Shoreline
work
is
what
the
priority
is,
but
I
think
it's
certainly
something
that
I'd
like
to
see
happen
in
I'll,
just
say
the
later
phases.
A
You
know
we
we
had
a
meeting
with
the
maintenance
superintendent
for
this
area
he's
actually
near
retirement,
so
we
are
planning
to
meet
with
his
replacement
and
you
know
see
if
we
can
sort
of
talk
these
things
through
again
and
maybe
get
a
a
different
response.
Hopefully
we
kind
of
consider
that
I
think
you
know
anyway
we'll
leave
it
at
that,
but
that's
certainly
something
that
we'd
like
to
improve
upon.
A
I
think
the
last
thing
maybe
I'll
say
on
on
maintenance
is,
if
you
do
see
something,
that's
like
a
branch
for
example,
or
an
issue
with
a
tree
I,
would
encourage
like
a
3-1-1
call,
because
I
think
that's
something
that
oftentimes
that
maintenance,
only
it's
sort
of
reactive.
You
know.
So
it's
one
way
to
maybe
get
something
like
that
accomplished
in
the
short
term.
A
Okay,
I
think
I
think
we
got
everyone's
questions,
but
if
anyone
has
anything
else,
they
want
to
bring
up.
Please
let
me
know
and
I
also
hope
you
know
if
you
have
thoughts
after
this
meeting,
certainly
email
me
or
questions
or
thoughts.
A
We
can
certainly
you
know,
keep
you
posted
on
with
the
progress.
You
know
the
progress
on
this
project
and
everything
so
everyone
that
I
believe
everyone.
That's
on
this
call.
We
should
be
able
to
access
your
email
and
we
can
send
you
an
update
so.
O
A
A
Great
and
thanks
everyone
I
just
want
to
thank
you
again
for
coming,
though
it's
really
it's
great
to
see
so
much.
You
know
enthusiasm
for
this
project
and
a
lot
of
really
dedicated
people
with
the
friends
and
that
that's
great
to
see
so
thanks
again
for
coming.