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Boston Police Department Commissioner Search Committee: Community Forum - 1/20/2022
B
All
right
good
evening,
everyone-
I
am,
I
know
some
people
are
still
signing
on.
We
see
the
participant
numbers
jumping
up,
and
so
I'm
I'm
gonna
stall
for
a
little
bit
to
let
a
few
more
folks
in
and
then
just
say.
Thank
you
so
much
for
taking
the
time
to
be
with
us
this
evening
for
the
first
of
our
town
halls
and
public
listening
sessions
about
our
boston
police.
B
So
I
I
do
want
to
first
and
foremost
thank
the
search
committee.
Okay,
see
more
people
are
coming
in
five
members
of
our
community
who
have
agreed
to
devote
significant
time
and
energy
and
leadership
to
helping
steer
this
search
for
a
very,
very
consequential
decision
for
our
city.
B
It
is
chaired
by
justice,
geraldine
hines,
whom
you
will
hear
from
after
me,
and
we
are
also
very
grateful
to
have
our
chairwoman
joined
by
bishop.
William
dickerson
professor
jasmine
gonzalez-rose,
abragal
forrester,
a
long-time
community
leader
and
our
former
commissioner
of
the
boston
police,
ed
davis.
So
thank
you
so
much
to
our
distinguished
search
committee.
B
I
want
to
thank
our
facilitators
for
this
evening
and
my
trusted
advisors
and
two
right
hands.
I
guess
on
all
issues
pertaining
to
community
community
engagement
and
public
safety.
You
heard
already
from
our
chief
of
community
engagement,
brianna
mellor,
and
we
also
have
the
head
of
our
public
safety
efforts
for
the
city
of
boston,
dr
rufus,
j
falk
here
as
well.
I
want
to
acknowledge
our
policy
team.
Our
chief
mike
firestone
and
deputy
tally.
B
Robbins
are
here
and
have
been
so
involved
in
setting
this
up,
in
addition,
and
I'm
sure
I'm
missing
other
folks
from
the
city
and
colleagues
in
government,
so
apologies
for
the
disrespect.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
know
so.
Many
hands
have
been
around
already
shaping
this
process
so
that
we
will
be
guided
by
the
vision
and
the
feedback
and
voices
in
our
community.
B
I
invite
everyone.
If
you
are
interested
to
introduce
yourself
in
the
chat,
if
you
feel
comfortable,
I
know
it's
hard
and
in
zoomed
to
really
feel
like.
We
know
everyone
who's
here
in
the
room
and
we
had
so
hoped
to
have
an
in-person
set
of
listening
sessions
around
the
city,
but,
alas,
with
the
surge
we're
starting
this
way
and
hope
for
the
chance
to
do
more
in
person
later
on.
B
But
I
appreciate
everyone
taking
the
time
and
we
will.
We
will
have
many
more
opportunities
to
hear
from
everyone
as
well.
So
what
I
want
to
just
give
a
little
insight
into
is
how
we
arrived
at
this
point
in
terms
of
shaping
the
search
and,
what's
going
to
drive
this
decision,
everyone
keeps
asking
me,
you
know:
is
there
someone
already
chosen
and
there's
just
kind
of
a
process
to
you
know,
go
through
some
steps?
B
No,
there
are
there's
not
any
candidates
for
police,
commissioner
being
interviewed
in
right
now
or
even
spoken
with
or
identified,
because
it
was
very
important
for
me
and
for
our
team
and
for
our
search
committee
to
really
have
a
first
phase
of
this
process,
completely
dedicated
to
ensuring
that
we
were
even
looking
for
the
right
person
to
have
community
feedback
shape.
The
parameters
around
values,
experience,
qualifications
and
other
characteristics
that
we
need
our
next
police,
commissioner
for
the
city
of
boston
to
have
in
this
moment,
and
so
for
several
weeks.
B
Our
committee
will
be
having
larger
sessions,
as
well
as
smaller
group
conversations
and
and
individual
stakeholder
conversations
to
hear
directly
from
so
many
who
are
invested
in
boston,
public
safety
and
shaping
a
pathway
for
building
community
trust
through
that
in
the
future,
through
public
safety
and
public
health.
Of
course,
I
see
jamal
introducing
himself
in
the
in
the
chat.
B
I
think
the
only
other
point
I
want
to
make
is
that
we
are
in
an
urgent
moment,
we're
reminded
every
day
just
how
much
the
systems
that
we
have
known
and
been
building
often
aren't
working
for
everyone,
and
those
are
systems
that
the
pandemic
has
deepened,
as
we
continue
to
see
the
strain
on
our
communities
just
about
every
which
way,
housing
and
health
and
the
impacts
on
mental
health
and
therefore
the
impacts
on
community
safety
and
healing.
B
We
know
that
this
is
a
moment
for
bold
action
and
bold
leadership,
so
that
is
guiding
every
part
of
our
administration,
but
we
can't
get
it
right.
We
can't
know
what
the
right
bold
steps
are
unless
we
are
listening
to
and
following
the
footsteps
of
community
members
already
on
on
the
solutions.
So
thank
you
again.
I
will
stop
talking
now
because
the
point
is
to
listen
and
my
job
now
is
to
pass
it
over
to
our
chairwoman,
justice,
geraldine,
hines.
C
C
Let
me
begin
by
thanking
mayor
wu
for
this
opportunity
to
work
alongside
the
distinguished
members
of
this
committee
in
the
search
for
the
next
commissioner
of
the
boston
police
department.
C
I
speak
for
myself
only
when
I
say
that
those
issues
are
the
lack
of
accountability
for
police
misconduct,
the
lack
of
transparency
in
addressing
misconduct,
issues,
discrimination
within
the
ranks,
corruption
and
a
culture
that
abets
misconduct
are
necessary.
Starting
points
for
the
next
commissioner.
C
We
all
owe
mayor
woo
a
debt
of
gratitude
for
her
willingness
to
reject
a
business
as
usual
approach
and
open
this
selection
process
to
meaningful
participation
by
the
people
of
the
city
of
boston.
We
seek
your
views
on
the
questions
that
will
inform
our
work
in
selecting
the
candidates
to
be
recommended
to
mayor
wu.
As
we
begin,
we
foresee
some
questions
likely
to
dominate
our
discussions
number
one.
What
are
the
essential
qualities
and
skills
that
the
next
commissioner
must
bring
to
the
table
and
number
two?
C
C
C
D
Good
evening,
everyone,
my
name-
is
ed
davis.
I
run
a
security
consulting
firm
here
in
boston
prior
to
that,
prior
to
founding
that
firm
in
2013
I
I
was
the
boston
police.
Commissioner.
I
concluded
a
34-year
career
in
law
enforcement
with
a
seven-year
stint
as
the
police
commission
here
in
the
city,
and
I
am
thrilled
to
be
part
of
this
great
committee.
I've
had
a
chance
to
meet
everyone.
Some
I've
worked
with
over
the
years.
Some
I
I've
newly
met,
but
I
believe
this
is
a
committed
group.
D
I
share
justice
hines
comments,
especially
about
fairness
and
justice,
and
I
think
I
I
would
just
like
to
thank
mayor
wu
for
having
faith
in
us
to
be
able
to
present
to
her
people
who
we
believe,
maybe
change,
agents
for
positive
effects
in
policing
and
par
positive
connections
with
the
community.
I
know
that
when
I
was
a
commissioner,
I
always
went
to
the
neighborhoods
to
to
decide
difficult
questions.
So
it's
a
thrill
for
me
to
be
here
and
to
hear
your
comments
tonight.
E
Good
evening,
I
want
to
thank
mayor
wu,
and
I
appreciate
justice,
hines
and
other
board
members.
But
more
importantly,
those
who
are
joining
us
who
have
joined
us
to
listen
in
my
name
is
william
dickerson,
I'm
bishop
dickerson
from
greater
love,
tabernacle,
the
senior
pastor
there.
I
I'm
a
former
boston
police
chaplain,
a
former
re-entry
consultant
for
the
department
of
corrections
and
a
former
member
of
the
transitional
team
for
governor
patrick
and
also
late
mayor,
thomas
menino,
and
I
focused
on
on
public
safety
and
community
engagement.
E
But
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
I'm
I'm
elated
to
know
that
the
audacity
that
mayor
wu
has
in
allowing
such
a
a
committee
to
come
together,
one,
secondly,
to
allow
these
listening
sessions
to
take
place
and
to
be
able
to
bounce
things
off
of
each
other,
so
that
we
could
come
to
a
good
conclusion
in
regards
to
the
prerequisites
that
are
needed
for
the
next
commission
of
for
boston.
That's
police,
commissioner
from
boston.
E
So
I
believe
the
next
commissioner
should
be
a
bridge
builder
and
an
innovative
thinker
and
know
how
to
deal
with
various
ethnic
groups
without
our
community
and
understand
the
challenges
that
we've
had
within
the
black
community
in
particular
over
the
years,
and
to
try
to
foster
some
some
sense
of
normalcy
in
regards
to
trust
and
transparency.
E
And
so
reform
is
urgently
needed.
And
I
believe
that
social
justice
and
equity
is
something
that
has
those
are
things
that
have
to
go
forth
in
the
mindset
of
the
next
commissioner,
and
we
have
to
do
all
we
can
to
work
together.
So
thank
you
so
very
much
mayor
wu
and
thank
you
for
your
staff
and
everyone.
That's
on
the
call
tonight,
and
I
hope
that
we
all
can
come
to
a
great
conclusion
as
it
relates
to
the
next
police.
Commissioner,.
F
Good
evening
my
name
is
jasmine,
gonzalez
rose
and
I'm
a
professor
of
law
at
boston
university
and
also
the
deputy
director
of
research
and
policy
at
the
bu
center
for
anti-racist
research.
I
just
want
to
say
how
honored
I
am
to
be
here
with
mayor
wu,
with
justice
heinz
and
particularly
with
everyone
that
I
see
signing
in
on
the
chat
representatives
of
different
neighborhoods
leaders,
activists
just
in
concerned
citizens
and
I'm
excited
to
be
here
tonight
and
to
really
listen
and
to
learn
from
you.
G
Thank
you
so
much
to
our
amazing
search
committee
for
providing
the
opport
like
providing
the
opportunity
for
this
to
happen.
Like
many
people
on
this
call
feel
and
experience.
This
is
this
is
a
moment
to
make
a
decision
that
is
informed
by
community
and
have
community
at
the
core
of
it.
So
I'm
excited
that
this
listening
session
is
happening.
G
So
now
I'm
going
to
set
the
stage
basically
for
the
feedback
process.
This
is
again
the
first
one
of
our
listening
sessions
and
we
really
genuinely
want
to
hear
from
community
on
what
are
the
qualities
and
values
that
this
next
boston
police,
commissioner,
need
to
have
to
be
successful,
to
be
in
to
be
supported
by
community.
G
Just
a
reminder:
this
is
a
recorded
conversation.
We
do
have
asl
haitian
creole
and
spanish
interpretation.
G
Everyone
also
there
for
everyone's
knowledge.
There
potentially
is
press
in
the
room,
so
I
want
to
let
everyone
know
that
as
well
and
also
want
to
let
everyone
know
that
their
everyone
is
muted
and
we
heavily
encourage
people
to
use
the
chat
function
for
comments
and
questions,
and
also
that
everyone
will
have
a
two-minute
max
on
speaking.
G
So
at
this
moment,
oh,
and
also
to
remind
everyone,
we
did
start
a
little
late,
but
this
whole
pro
this.
The
length
of
this
meeting
will
be
about
an
hour,
but
we
will
respect
the
time
that
we
that
we
were
late
and
joined
onto
so
at
this
moment,
I
want
to
let
everyone
know
if
you
all,
if
you
speak
either
haitian
creole
or
spanish
solely.
G
G
H
Okay,
so
the
the
first
I
want
to
just
get
the
elephant
out
the
room
first
and
foremost,
number
one
you
got
ed
davis,
former
commissioner
and
mam
leo.
You
know
10
years
ago,
gave
him
a
vote
of
no
confidence
because
we
didn't
feel
as
though
he
was
doing
enough
with
respect
to
the
for
diversity.
I
have,
I
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
respect
for
mr
davis
and
you
know
his
his
dedication
for
law
enforcement
and
his
commitment
to
the
job
that
he's
done
in
the
boston
police
department.
H
You
know
for
his
service
and
everything
else
like
that,
but
it
did
happen,
and
I
just
want
him
to
sort
of
comment
on
that
in
terms
of
what's
happened
in
the
last
10
years,
so
that
would
you
know,
make
him
sort
of
more
qualified
to
be
able
to
deal
with
these
issues
of
transformational
policing.
H
So
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
you
know
some
of
the
positive
things
that
he
did
about
truthfulness
in
terms
of
transparency
and
stuff
like
that.
But
I
thought
as
though
he
had
many
opportunities
for
diversity,
and
you
know
I
didn't
have
an
issue
with
his
community
policing.
H
But
you
know,
office
of
wellness
was
important
too,
so
you
know
I
just
kind
of
want
him
to
speak
on
that
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
what's
he
going
to
bring
to
the
table
in
terms
of
on
the
committee,
and
I
do
think
that
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day
right
now,
I'm
a
sergeant
detective.
I've
been
on
32
years,
I'm
a
past
member,
I'm
a
past
president
of
man
leo
and
so
we've
been
fighting
like.
H
I
told
mayor
wu
when
she
was
running
as
a
as
a
candidate
we've
been
at
this
for
30
plus
years.
I've
been
there
on
it
for
32
years,
and
we've
been
fighting
for
this
diversity
and
inclusion
and
accountability,
and
we
felt
as
though
we
got
let
down
so
many
times.
You
know
we
fought
for
the
discriminatory
drug
test
that
we
have
to
go
to
federal
court
to
win
in
state
court.
We
fought,
we
fought
for.
H
Exam
we
fought
for
a
better
promotional
exam
that
we
have
to
win
in
federal
court.
That
was
recently
as
just
paul.
G
H
Yeah
yeah,
so
so
you
know
we
fought
in
for
the
you
know
for
the
promotional
aspect
in
federal
court
we
won
that
too.
I
mean
the
department
gave
us
no
help.
They
fought
as
tooth
and
nail
tooth
and
nail
tooth
and
nail
and
they
continued
to
fight
tooth
and
nail.
We
have
no
leadership,
I'm
in
internal
affairs
we're
overworked
in
terms
of
not
enough
hours,
not
enough
workers,
and
so
we,
you
know
harry.
G
Potter,
I
needed
a
one
second
wrap
up.
Yes,
so
I
wanted
to
chime
in
here.
This
is
a
conversation
to
frame
the
qualities
and
qualifications
we
want
to
see
in
our
next
police,
commissioner.
This
is
not
a
conversation
to
have
personal
attacks
on
or
personal
questions
for
any
of
the
search
committee
members.
G
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
piece,
but
I
really
appreciate
you
paul
for
sharing
your
concerns
again.
This
is
recorded
and
I'm
taking
notes
of
all
these
conversations
just
to
guide
the
conversation
a
little
bit
better
to
frame
it
a
little
bit
more.
I
can
pose
a
couple
questions,
so
it
can
keep
us
on
track.
So
what
do
you
think
that
the
community
desperately
needs
from
your
next
police?
G
Commissioner,
question
two:
what
issues
related
to
public
safety
is
a
priority
for
you
and
your
neighborhood
and
how
can
bpd
potential
leadership
support
the
support,
those
things
and
also?
What
do
you
think
the
role
of
in
responsibility
of
the
police,
commissioner,
is
so
I
wanna.
I
want
everyone
to
like
kind
of
think
of
those
questions
which
one
do
you
prefer
to
answer,
and
I
definitely
want
to
make
sure
we're
staying
on
topic
of
shaping
the
agenda
for
this
next
police.
Commissioner,
thank
you.
G
I
Alright
good
evening,
everyone
I
apologize
and
thank
you
brianna.
I
I
just
want
to
start
off
with
saying
thank
you
for
hosting
this
meeting.
I'm
glad
we
can
get
everyone's
opinion.
I
would
really
like,
for
you
know
the
next
police
commissioner,
to
have.
I
Another
to
sit
back
at
the
desk
and
interact
inside
with
the
community
and
another
thing
is:
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
they
re-implement
the
dear
and
great
program.
The
great
program
is
gang
resistance,
education
and
training
and
then
the
dare
program,
drug
abuse,
resistance,
education.
I
believe
two,
these
two
things
are
crucial
in
making
sure
that
the
youth
and
families
as
we
grow
up.
You
know
we
maintain
that
good
relationship
with
our
boston
police
department.
I
I
I
definitely
just
like
that
dear
program
great
program
and
make
sure
that
they
are
a
community
service
officer.
I
I
definitely
see
nora
basement's
name
floating
around,
that
I
know
to
be
someone
who
does
amazing
work.
So
thank
you
all
for
your
support.
D
D
For
seven
years
there
were
a
lot
of
institutional
problems
that
prevented
us
from
implementing
programs
that
mayor
menino
and
I
believed,
would
be
very
effective
in
in
reducing
the
amount
of
inequity
that
was
present
in
the
police
department,
known
only
in
the
promotional
process,
but
also
in
the
in
the
discipline
process
that
occurred,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
kind
things
that
paul
has
mentioned
in
his
discussion.
D
It
was
a.
It
was
a
a
long,
seven
years
where
we
implemented
a
lot
of
very
positive
engagements
with
the
community
dan
linsky,
and
I
were
working
very
closely
together.
Dan
did
a
lot
of
work
in
the
community,
as
did
I,
we
were
at
community
meetings
with
the
mayor
almost
every
night,
but
the
bottom
line
is
this:
since
they
I've
left
the
position
as
police.
Commissioner,
I've
worked
around
the
country
I
worked
in
chicago.
I
worked
in
new
york
for
the
justice
department.
D
I've
I've
been
privy
to
some
of
the
most
important
changes
that
have
occurred
in
policing
and
after
what
happened
this
past
year,
I
have
a
real
desire
to
to
do
the
right
thing
for
the
community
and
to
make
sure,
as
I
always
have,
that
the
community
be
heard
and
the
community
get
the
type
of
policing
that
they
that
they
demand
at
this
point
in
time.
So
police
commission
is
a
tough
job.
D
You
can't
please
all
the
people
all
the
time,
but
we
went
and
did
what
we
thought
was
the
right
thing,
working
within
the
constraints
that
we
have
at
that
time.
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
bring
that
up.
G
Thank
you
so
much
just
and
thank
you
for
again
community
chiming
in
on
this,
just
to
reiterate
the
three
questions
and
I
will
also
drop
them
in
the
chat.
What
do
you
in
your
community
want
to
see
the
next
police
commissioner?
What
are
the
issues
related
to
public
safety?
G
J
Okay,
can
you
hear
me
yes?
Well,
first
and
foremost,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
hearing
my
views
and
for
the
mayor.
I
would
like
to
wish
her
very
well
and
wish
and
say
a
lot
of
prayers
for
her
she's
going
to
need
it.
She's
got
a
tough
job
and
for
the
police,
commissioner,
he's
going
to
need
a
lot
of
support
because
it's
been
a
lot
of
transition
and
a
lot
of
things
going
on
in
the
boston
police
department,
I'm
a
former
boston
police
officer.
J
Sometimes
we
have
the
best
of
intentions
in
law
enforcement,
but
we
get
bogged
down
because
it's
the
same
rudder
trying
to
steer
the
same
ship
and
you
seem
to
be
going
into
a
circle
when
ed
davis
came
in,
might
not
have
been
liked.
Who
cares?
But
it
was
a
different
change
when
bill
bratton
came
in,
he
was
former
he
was
outside,
he
came
in.
He
had
effective
change
till
he
went
to
new
york.
J
My
question
or
recommendation
for
the
next
police
commissioner
would
be
to
be
fair.
In
his
judgment,
the
boston
police
department
had
a
monumental
problem
with
disparity
and
disciplinary
actions.
If
a
black
police
officer
did
the
same
activity
in
action
as
a
white
officer,
the
severity
of
the
discipline
was
ridiculous.
They
would
stop.
G
J
Right
or
whether
the
officers
get
terminated
and
resign
so
subsequently,
what
happens
is
that
the
balance
of
you
started
out
with,
let's
say,
20
black
by
the
time
they're
getting
terminated
or
suspended
does
not
they're,
not
replacing
those
offices
they're
being
replaced
with
white
offices.
That's
why
the
ratio
gets
disproportionate
and
if
there's
fairness
above
judgment
as
discipline,
it
also
needs
to
be
fairness
when
it
comes
to
exams
when
exams
come
around
it
splits
that
department,
the
department
should
be.
The
police
academy,
should
be
giving
free
information
and
free
testing
for
the
offices
to
advance.
J
We
want
a
better
police
department.
I
want
the
best
because
boston
has
the
best
officers
and
they
are
so
super
and
again
I
commend
this
mayor
and
I'm
a
I'm
a
veteran
and
I'm
a
vaccinated
veteran
and
I'm
appalled
that
those
people
are
out
there
approaching
sitting
at
her
house,
and
I
feel
so
bad
for
her.
It's
wrong.
G
Thank
you
for
sharing
those
sentiments.
The
next
person
in
line
is
marie.
I'm
gonna
ask
you,
don't
mute
yourself.
K
Rihanna,
am
I
unmuted?
Yes,
I
can
hear
you
hi
good
evening
nice
to
see
you
nice
to
see
so
many
friends
on
this
call,
and
so
many
people
I've
had
the
honor
of
working
with
over
the
years.
I
appreciate
your
questions
and
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
jp
folks
on
the
call,
so
I
just
want
to
zoom
in
a
little
on
an
issue.
K
I
love
the
men
and
boys
in
our
city,
but
I
also
have
a
lot
of
experience
about
the
issue
of
the
needs
of
women
and
girls,
and
I
really
want
to
put
that
front
and
center
in
terms
of
looking
for
a
police,
commissioner,
man
or
woman,
who
really
has
a
commitment
to
the
issues
of
gender
equity
and
also
really
looking
at
the
intersectionality
of
gender
violence
across
both
the
department
and
the
community
in
terms
of
those
issues
and
taking
opportunities
to
really
look
at
how
we
could
make
systemic
change
to
change
the
the
climate
of
violence,
not
just
on
the
streets
or
in
some
of
the
traditional
ways,
but
really
looking
at
the
impact
of
gender
violence,
domestic
violence,
sexual
assault,
human
trafficking.
K
K
So
I
really
want
to
put
that
front
and
center
there's
great
work
being
done.
There
has
been
wonderful
leadership,
the
family,
justice
center
models
that
we've
launched
and
I've
had
the
honor
of
working
on
many
of
them
with
commissioner
davis
and
people
on
this
call,
but
there's
opportunity
for
real
cultural
shift,
and
I
think
this
is
the
moment
to
take
it.
K
And
I
hope
that
that
will
be
part
of
the
questioning
of
a
commissioner
to
really
look
at
their
experience
in
that
area
and
that's
not
to
say
that
our
men
and
boys
don't
need
help
too.
K
But
our
women
and
girls
are
often
not
front
and
center
in
the
conversation,
and
I
and
that
leads
to
some
of
these
dynamics
that
we're
trying
to
change
on
a
day-to-day
basis
and
just
finally
to
give
a
big
plug
out
to
the
beat
officers
and
the
walking
officers
and
the
community
police
I'm
in
e13
and
our
community
officers
are
just
an
amazing
part
of
the
strength
of
the
work
we're
doing
in
eggleston
and
across
the
e13
area.
So
again
I
know
you're
going
to
cut
you
off.
G
You
so
much
so
yes,
just
a
reminder
for
everyone.
The
way
to
raise
your
hand
is
going
to
your
reaction
function
in
the
bottom
of
your
screen.
It
should
be
the
bottom
right
of
your
zoom
screen
and
you'll
be
able
to
raise
your
hand
from
there.
But
next
is
frank.
I
can
unmute
and
my
phone
will
signal
that
that
it's
two
minutes
too.
L
G
L
L
Quite
often,
we
hear
about
police
departments
having
dialogues
with
many
marginalized
populations
such
as
homeless
people
and
persons
of
color,
and
those
are
excellent
and
necessary,
but
rarely
do
we
hear
about
them
having
conversations
with
the
community
of
disabled
persons,
and
quite
often
this
has
had
led
to
very
much
a
lot
of
very
bad
experiences
with
interactions
between
police
and
disabled
persons.
L
So
I
would
just
like
to
stress
that
the
commissioner,
the
cunning
commissioner,
really
would
benefit
and
our
community
benefit
from
dialogues
between
the
police
department
and
the
disabled
population
in
regards
to
a
three-prong
approach.
The
first
is
to
develop
sensible
policies
and
procedures
between
interactions
with
police
and
disabled
persons.
The
second
is
to
make
sure
that
these
are
followed
and
put
with
proper
training,
and
the
third
is
finally
to
have
effective
discipline
in
cases
where
training
is
ignored.
So
once
again,
I
you
know.
L
I
applaud
all
efforts
to
have
dialogues
with
diverse
populations,
and
I
certainly
hope
that
the
disabled
population
is
one
of
those
groups
that
are
able
to
take
advantage
of
these
dialogues
in
the
future,
and
I
greatly
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak.
Thank
you
so
much.
G
And
the
next
person
I
see
on
my
screen
is
kenya,
and
also
just
to
let
people
know
that
we
have
interpreters.
So
if
you
could
speak
as
slowly
as
possible,
that
would
be
great.
M
Yes,
okay,
great
so
first
things,
first
as
a
mattapan
resident
lifelong
boston
resident.
The
first
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
our
community
service
offices
are
great.
What
I
am
hoping
to
happen
with
the
new
commissioner
is
that
they
would,
you
know,
see
the
value
in
csos
and
our
communities
and
somehow,
you
know,
add
more
csos,
especially.
You
know,
csos
of
color
police
officers
of
color
in
these
communities
of
color,
because
I
know
even
with
our
csos
and
b3,
we
love
them,
they're
great
they're
resourceful.
M
They
always
are
in
our
meetings
and
they
talk
about
everything
under
the
sun
like
they're,
just
really
really
good
and
we
value
them
a
hundred
percent
on
this
end
of
of
the
of
the
boston
area.
Second
thing
is:
I
also
hope
the
commissioner
takes
a
really
a
real
aggressive
approach,
around
gun,
violence
in
our
city
and
lastly,
as
vp
for
the
cabinet
american
carnival
association.
M
I
also
hope
that
this,
commissioner,
you
know,
is
open
to
working
with
you
know
very
fairly
large
groups
and
providing
resources
and
such
to
the
events
that
are
integral
and
important
to
the
black
community.
And
my
last
thing
is:
there's
a
lot
of
good
notes
in
the
chat,
and
I
would
I
would
recommend
the
the
search
committee
to
save
that
chat
if
they
know
how
to
and
that's
my
last
name.
Thank
you.
G
N
N
Ed
davis
did
some
good
things
and
one
of
the
things
he
recognized-
and
I
believe
he
testified
before
city
council
is
boston,
police,
the
nepotism
and
favoritism
were
alive
and
well
in
the
boston,
police
department
and,
unfortunately,
that's
still
true,
and
we
certainly
need
a
leader
in
the
as
a
boston
police,
commissioner,
who
is
strong
and
independent
they're,
not
subject
to
those
kinds
of
pressures
to
do
his
job
as
he
his
or
her
job,
certainly
as
as
appropriate,
rather
than
what
the
politicians
want
done.
N
And
the
department
needs
to
be
involved
with
the
community
as
much
as
possible.
I
know
our
prior
commissioner
certainly
was
very
active
in
the
community
and
was
beloved
by
the
community.
We,
our
organization.
G
N
Okay,
the
post
commission
and
the
new
civilian
review
board
is
going
to
to
certainly
help
in
the
area
of
police,
accountability
and
transparency
and
working
with
the
post
commission.
Working
with
the
training.
That's
going
to
be
established
in
this
nb
and
is
already
being
established,
is
going
to
have
a
very
positive
effect
on
policing
all
over
massachusetts,
but
certainly
in
boston.
G
O
Yep
good
aft
good
evening,
I'm
looking
for
the
new
commissioner
who
to
have
an
understanding
of
from
the
many
social
issues
that
are
affecting
our
communities,
particularly
as
it
interfaces
with
the
criminal
justice
system,
particularly
but
not
exclusively
mental
health
issues,
and
to
commit
to
training
his
or
her
officers
on
mental
health
law
and
how
to
better
handle
these
difficult
cases
as
they
intersect
in
the
area
of
criminal,
justice,
homelessness,
etc.
Thank
you.
G
P
G
P
Hi,
I
just
just
to
get
to
everything.
I
just
want
a
police,
commissioner,
that
has
a
track
record
of
insurance
people,
which
is
not
really
that
many
people,
but
all
in
all
honesty,
just
holding
accountability
to
the
the
bad
cops
who
were
in
those
offices
is
that
who's
doing
all
this
trauma
ties
into
our
communities
and
also
somebody
we
could
as
a
community.
We,
we
never
felt
comfortable
with
policing,
so
somebody
couldn't
possibly,
we
can
communicate
weight
on
that
level.
G
Thank
you
appreciate
your
comments
and
your
insight.
Gwendolyn
is
next.
Q
Thank
you
very
much,
I'm
a
retired
police
officer,
two
years
in
february,
I
have
to
tell
you,
I
watched
for
almost
32
years
officers
get
fast
tracked
or
groomed
what
I
was
saying
positions,
whereas
there
were
other
officers
with
just
as
qualified
or
more
qualified
for
such
position.
Q
So,
therefore,
what
I
think
department
should
do
is
have
a
serious,
an
established,
mentoring
program.
Let's
not
just
put
people
in
positions
because
they
know
the
person
or
they
were
in
the
same
gang
unit
or
the
same
drug
unit.
On
the
same
class.
There
are
very
qualified
people
who
are
not
getting
positions
that
they
should
have
gotten.
I
mean
I
was
a
sergeant
when
I
retired,
but
I
had
to
do
what
my
mother
said
I
had
to
do.
I
had
to
work
twice
as
hard
to
get
where
I
got
and
it
wasn't
easy.
G
Thank
you,
gwendolyn.
I
also
want
to
take
a
second
to
acknowledge
the
elected
kids
that
are
in
the
room.
I
believe
I
seen
counselor
ricardo
arroyo,
counselor,
tanya,
fernandez,
anderson
and
counselor,
sorry
counselor,
lucy
luigian.
I
hope
I
didn't
miss
anybody,
but
I'll
do
a
quick
glance.
G
If
anybody
wants
to
speak,
you
can
raise
your
hand
at
this
time.
The
raise
your
hand
function
is
in
the
reaction
bar
at
the
bottom
right
of
your
screen.
G
R
R
I
think
it's
important
for
the
next
commissioner
to
really
work
hard
to
ref,
to
make
sure
that
the
police
department
reflects
this
community
that
it
serves
throughout
the
police
department,
not
just
at
the
patrol
level
which,
where
support
the
patrol
level,
really
is
the
level
that,
when
a
rubber
beats
the
road
by
the
way,
you
know
that's
where
those
are
the
buzz
men.
Those
are
the
representatives
of
the
city
of
the
city,
government
and
those
individuals
really
shape
the
opinions
of
citizens
about
that
police
department.
R
So
it's
important
that
that
that
representation,
that
diversity
is
there,
but
also
at
the
sergeant
lieutenant
captain
levels
at
mid-level
management
level,
because
that's
where
the
policies
are
structured,
that's
where
the
policies
are
rolled
out.
The
captain,
the
district
commander,
plays
a
significant
role
in
the
quality
of
policing
in
that
particular
district
and
also
at
the
command
staff
level.
It
should
be
reflective,
so
that's
my
first
hit.
R
My
second
hit
is,
I
think,
it's
absolutely
important
that
I'm
glad
to
hear
jim
talk
about
this
as
some
way
the
an
idea
of
the
notion
of
civilian
review
boards
are
in
place
in
the
city
of
boston.
I
think
that
is
critical,
because
you
got
to
think
about
this
boston
says
that
is
one
of
the
oldest
police
department,
if
not
the
oldest
in
the
country.
Well,
there's
a
academically.
R
There's
some
debate
over
that
new
york
claims
to
be
that
so
as
mass
philadelphia,
but
that's
another
conversation,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
that
the
community,
especially
the
community
of
color,
is
comfortable
with
the
disciplinary
action
that
are
taken
against
officers
who
have
operated
outside
of
the
scope
of
their
training.
So
I
think
it's
important
that
the
community
review
board
be
a
part
of
that
process,
because
it
can
actually
report
back
to
the
community
that
this
is
a
fair
and
objective
and
equitable
position
on
that
particular
officer's
behavior.
G
Thank
you
so
much,
dr
willy,
for
your
insight.
I
seen
zeba.
S
Hi,
sorry
about
that
hi,
I'm
zebra
cranmer
my
day,
job
is
at
boston
university.
I
run
a
data
science
center
and
my
my
night
job
is
jp
progressives,
I'm
wearing
two
hats.
I
would
really
encourage
the
committee
when
you're
reviewing
candidates
to
ask
about
the
candidates,
experience
perspective
and
commitment
to
transparency
into
releasing
and
collecting
data.
S
I
think
we
I've
experienced
doing
a
lot
of
projects
for
external
partners
and
internally
about
you,
know
whether
it's
police,
accountability
or
patterns
of
activity
in
different
neighborhoods
and
there's
a
lot
of
information
that
a
lot
of
answers
are
on
running
the
police
department
that
could
be
better
dealt
with
if
we
had
better
data,
so
we're
moving
out
of
these
sort
of
anecdotes
and
into
real
transparency
and
accountability.
S
So
that's
one
one
point,
and
then
I
think,
similarly,
it's
really
important
in
this
new
era
of
policing
and
surveillance
that
the
that
the
candidates
have
an
understanding
of
technology
of
the
impact
on
communities
from
a
surveillance
perspective
and
understands
the
implications
of
that.
S
So
I
think
those
are
really
important
things
for
this
individual
to
have
a
perspective
on
a
point
of
view
and
a
commitment,
and
hopefully
a
historical
track
record
of
how
they
would
behave
with
regards
to
those
different
pieces
and
I'd
also
say
just
a
real
understanding
of
of
privacy
protection.
I
mean
you
can
collect
data
and
still
protect
privacy
if
they
don't
understand
these
things,
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
manage
it.
S
They're
not
going
to
be
able
to
you
know,
have
they're
not
going
to
be
as
open
to
releasing
information
data
to
hold
systems
accountable
and
change.
Some
of
the
structural
factors
that
are
playing
out
every
day.
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
give
input.
G
Well,
thank
you
so
much
zeba
and
for
everything
you
do.
I
just
wanted
to
remind
everyone.
We
are
not
ignoring
the
chat,
we
are
saving
the
chat
function
and
this
meeting
is
also
being
recorded
right
now.
I
do
want
to
just
signal
that
we
are
approaching
the
closing
time
and
I
definitely
want
to
give
space
for
the
search
committee
to
say
final
words
and
maybe
the
mayor
to
say
final
words,
but
I'm
willing
to
take
one
or
two
more
raise
hands
if
you,
if
anybody
wants
to
speak.
T
Thank
you
so
much
for
this
opportunity.
I
see
a
lot
of
familiar
names
on
this
and
I
again
I
want
to
thank
the
board
for
what
they're
doing
and
obviously
the
mayor
for
considering,
I
think,
there's
obviously
a
couple
things
that
really
come
to
mind
one.
You
know
I'm
a
very
strong
advocate
for
keeping
this
election
in-house.
I
think
we
have
some
outstanding
candidates.
T
Somebody
mentioned
women
of
color.
I
think
there's
a
very
strong
candidate
that
I
I
wrote
earlier
in
nora
bash
and
I
think
who's
fantastic,
but
I
also
think
that
the
person
who
should
be
the
next
commissioner
should
have
partnerships
right,
because
we
still
have
an
issue
that
we
have
to
deal
with
outside
of
the
department
and
that's,
sadly,
the
black,
on
black
crime,
with
these
young
men
killing
of
each
other
right.
T
So
I
think
people
who
have
partnerships
with
say,
like
the
buildings
trades
with
offer
really
good
qualified
jobs
when
they
get
out
of
you,
know
incarceration
if
they're
locked
up
colleges
right
working
with
the
colleges
who
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
money
to
give
to
these
communities
to
help
build.
You
know
some
hope
in
these
communities
large
corporations.
We
do
a
lot
of
work
with
a
lot
of
the
sports
teams,
like
the
patriots
and
the
celtics,
is
a
ton
of
money
right
now.
T
Currently,
the
the
celtics
have
to
to
kind
of
distribute
out
to
these
communities.
So
I
think
the
next
commission
would
be
somebody
who
has
these
kind
of
partnerships
and
can
bring
hope
to
these
young
men
right
these
young
men
of
color
right,
because
I
think
that
you
know
somebody
once
told
me
that
the
kids,
who
lack
hope
you
know
they
they
they
take
unnecessary
risk
right
and
that's
what
we're
seeing,
sadly
in
these
communities,
but
I
think
that
the
person
who
is
the
next
commercial
commissioner
doesn't
have
to
be
the
perfect
candidate.
T
T
What
we
need
is
somebody
who's
perfect
at
policing,
people
right
who
who's
perfect
at
understanding
the
problems
of
the
people
in
these
neighborhoods
right,
so
we're
not
necessarily
looking
for
the
perfect
candidate
based
on
a
resume,
but
the
perfect
person
who
understands
that
we
have
to
show
love,
compassion
and
understanding
when
we're
dealing
with
people
all
here
who
are
currently
coming
off
at
three
years
of
covert
but
have
a
history
of
being
neglected.
So
that's
my
take.
Thank
you
so
much.
G
Thank
you
so
much
george
we're
going
to
have
our
last
person.
Jonathan
cohen
speak,
but
I
did
want
to
flag
for
everyone
that
if
you
did
not
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
tonight,
we
do
have
surveys
available
for
you
to
submit
comments
to
the
search
committee
as
and
it's
also
available
in
multiple
languages
as
well.
I'm
going
to
drop
the
link
in
the
chat
now,
so
everyone
can
be
able
to
access
that
jonathan
awesome.
U
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much.
Thank
you
all
I'll
have
the
commander
being
president
and
brianna
for
doing
a
great
job.
Moderating
a
few
quick
name
is
jonathan
cohen.
I'm
a
resident
of
the
east
fenway
symphony
area
just
wanted
to
quickly
speak
to
one,
the
the
need
for
somebody
who
approaches
issues
from
a
de-escalation
perspective,
especially
when
it
comes
to
kind
of
the
role
of
kind
of
law
enforcement
and
large-scale
events.
U
One
thing
that
we've
seen,
especially
with
the
the
number
of
protests
after
kind
of
the
george
floyd
murder,
is
the
often
times
when
police
take
a
very
antagonistic
and
and
kind
of
like
escalation
like
esco
escalatory
or
whatever.
The
exact
word
is
approach
to
protests
that
that
kind
of
leaves
nothing
better
off
in
the
end,
and
so
wanting
somebody
who
does
approach
things
from
like
a
perspective
of
de-escalation.
U
First,
to
make
sure
that
that
everybody
is
able
to
leave
some
leave
an
event,
an
event
safe
and
rather
than
causing
causing
undue
harm
to
the
kind
of
the
protesters
they're
expressing
kind
of
increase
using
their
first
amendment
rights
also
would
be
great
to
see
a
police
commissioner
who's
kind
of
willing
to
be
a
partner
in
pushing
for
things.
Let's
say
protections
for
the
immigrant
community
at
the
state
level,
as
well
as
somebody
who's
going
to
a
supporter
of,
as
opposed
to
an
opponent
of
police
reform
efforts.
U
G
Thank
you
so
much
jonathan
and
again
thank
you
to
everyone
that
joined
tonight.
Thank
you
for
your
commitment
and
dedication
to
supporting
this
decision
and
it's
so
crucial,
and
I
I
want
to
underscore
where
this
conversation
is
starting,
it's
starting
in
community
and
it's
staying
in
community.
G
Can
anybody
hear
me
my
screen
is
a
little
frozen.
Okay,
perfect
yeah!
This
process
is
starting
and
staying
in
community
and
I
just
am
continuously
grateful
to
be
in
community
and
hear
firsthand
how
we
should
be
shaping
this
conversation
and
shaping
the
the
this.
This
very
important
decision,
so
right
now,
I'm
gonna
hand
it
over
to
our
chair
to
wrap
us
up.
I
can't
and
then
have
the
mayor
say
some
final
words.
C
Okay,
the
the
only
thing
I
want
to
say
is
just
a
tremendous
thank
you
for
the
200
people
who
signed
on
to
this
meeting
tonight
and
I'm
I'm
delighted
for
this
participation,
because
it
certainly
brought
my
understanding
of
the
issues
that
people
care
about,
as
we
think
about
who
the
next
police,
commissioner,
should
be
the
issue
of
disability
rights
that
had
not
been
on
my
radar
before
the
gentleman
who
spoke
about
that
spoke
about
that,
and
I
think
that
I
really
appreciate
hearing
from
him,
because
I
think
we
do
need
to
expand
our
thinking
about
the
kinds
of
issues
that
that
people
want
to
bring
to
bear
to
this
discussion,
and
I'm
also
appreciative
of
the
diversity
of
experiences
and
backgrounds.
C
I
don't
need
to
name
names,
but
I
know
that
one
of
the
the
commenters
is
a
former
judge
of
the
district
court.
Who
has
a
lot
of
experience
with
these
issues.
I
appreciate
hearing
from
the
young
man-
I
don't
recall
his
name
right
now,
but
who
expressed
his
concern
about
how
police
officers
interact
with
young
people.
That's
that's
a
really
big
problem
that
I
think
we
have
to
bring
to
the
center
of
our
thinking
about
who
this
next
person
should
be,
and
I
appreciate
the
insight
from
the
academy.
C
I
know
from
my
own
experience
that
data
collection
is
very,
very
important
in
helping
us
understand
problems
and
in
helping
us
figure
out
solutions
to
problems.
So
this
has
been
extremely
helpful
to
the
committee,
and
I
appreciate
everybody
who
has
taken
the
time
to
help
educate
us
and
enlighten
us
on
all
of
these
issues.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Just
add
a
quick
thank
you
to
everyone
for
being
here.
Thank
you
so
much
chief
miller
who
did
an
incredible
job,
moderating
and
keeping
us
on
time.
I've
been
on
the
receiving
end
of
her
move,
alongs,
often
as
well,
and
thank
you
so
much
to
our
committee.
B
I
just
I'm
I'm
so
hopeful
and
excited
after
even
just
listening
to
all
of
your
comments
tonight
they
were,
you
all
were
thoughtful
and
it
was
such
a
wide-ranging
set
of
insights
and
truly
grounded
in
exactly
the
type
of
detail
that
we
need
to
be
shaping
this,
and
so
I
wanted
just
to
mention
a
couple
next
step
kind
of
things.
One
is
that
our
next
listening
session
again
on
zoom
is
going
to
be
wednesday
january
26th
at
noon.
B
B
We
also
have
the
three
questions
that
brianna
had
mentioned
in
the
beginning
and
that
were
in
the
chat,
along
with
a
few
others
in
a
google
form
survey.
So
that
could
be
shared
widely.
If
you
wanted
to
add
more,
you
know.
One
of
the
additional
questions
on
the
survey
is
to
add
a
little
more
about
your
any
personal
experience.
You'd,
like
the
search
committee
to
know
about
that,
might
relate
to
how
we
should
think
about
public
safety
and
the
police
department
in
in
our
city.
B
So
we'll
share
that
link,
hope
to
see
more
folks
and
and
spread
the
word
on
the
26th
and
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
continuing
to
hear
from
individual
groups
as
well.
So
if
you
have
ideas
of
particular
groups
that
the
search
committee
should
hear
from
maybe
not
in
a
completely
public
setting,
but
you
know
we,
we
will
be
reaching
out
to
all
of
the
police
unions
to
memlio
to
jaigo,
to
ask
for
some
facilitation
of
more
private
sessions.
B
G
Thank
you
so
much
again,
the
survey
link
is
it
lives
on
this
webpage
and
it's
available
in
multiple
languages
as
well
to
let
everyone
know.