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From YouTube: Bothell Planning Commission Meeting - January 4, 2023
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0:03:50 - Public Comments
0:04:35 - Approval of Minutes
0:05:20 - New Business
0:05:30 - Study Session: Downtown Transition Affordable Housing Overlay Plan & Code
Amendments
2:53:30 - Unfinished Business
2:53:35 - Reports from Staff
2:54:10 - Reports from Members
2:54:15 - Items to Report to Council
A
Before
we
move
on
to
the
agenda
items
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
our
hybrid
meeting
format,
city
of
Bothell
is
providing
the
option
to
attend
this
meeting,
either
in
person
or
remotely
via
Zoom
for
those
who
are
participating
via
Zoom.
The
chat
and
question
functions
are
not
available
for
use
to
ensure
compliance
with
the
open
public
meetings.
Act.
A
A
A
Email
was
encouraged
as
well
and
will
be
acknowledged
and
we
did
receive
quite
a
few.
Those
in
attendance
may
also
make
comments
and
have
been
asked
to
indicate
their
desire
to
comment
on
the
sign-in
sheets,
so
we
have
sign-in
sheets
over
at
the
door.
Please
do
use
them
the
Imagine,
Bothell
notice,
City
website
and
tonight's
agenda.
All
provided
information
to
the
public
for
providing
comments.
A
The
video
of
this
meeting
will
be
streamed,
live
as
well
as
recorded
and
available
for
later
viewing
on
the
city's
YouTube
channel.
The
call-in
number
was
provided
on
the
meeting
agenda
for
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
call
in
by
phone
to
listen,
live
to
the
meeting
for
phoning
callers
during
staff.
Presentations
staff
will
make
every
effort
to
specify
which
materials
they
are
referencing,
so
everyone
can
follow
along.
A
Lastly,
before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
reiterate
some
meeting
guidelines,
please
speak
clearly
and
pause,
frequently
state
your
name
each
time,
you're
speaking,
mute
your
microphone
when
not
speaking,
and
when
you
step
up
to
speak,
please
activate
the
microphone.
So
we
can
all
hear
you
if
you're
streaming,
the
live,
video
feed,
please
turn
off
the
sound
I
can't
purchase
our
commissioner
Jones
has
appeared
up
by
a
zoom,
so
she
is
present.
Welcome.
A
I
want
to
make
note
for
the
Commissioners
at
specific
breaks
in
the
presentation,
I'll
call
on
members
who
wish
to
speak
or
ask
a
question
if
you
want
to
speak,
please
indicate
this
by
raising
your
hand
and
I
will
call
on
you
as
I
see
you.
This
will
avoid
the
problem
of
having
two
people
speaking
at
the
same
time.
Please
identify
yourself
before
you
ask
a
question:
make
a
motion,
second
emotion
or
participate
in
debate,
and
please
mute
your
microphone
when
not
speaking
so.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
public
comment.
A
The
city
has
accepted
visitor
comment
in
writing,
as
well
as
accepted
sign
up
sheets
for
those
who
wish
to
speak
at
tonight's
meeting.
Written
comments
submitted
to
staff
no
later
than
3
pm
today,
we're
forwarded
to
all
Commissioners
and
are
part
of
the
record.
This
particular
agenda
item
is
time
for
issues
not
on
tonight's
agenda.
So
is
there
anyone
here
who
wishes
to
speak
to
items
not
on
the
agenda?
A
A
A
D
A
E
A
A
Right,
thank
you.
So
we
will
then
move
into
the
primary
item
on
tonight's
agenda:
the
downtown
transition,
affordable
housing,
overlay
amendments
and
I'll
just
discuss
briefly
how
we're
going
to
approach
this
we'll
have
a
presentation
from
senior
planner
Boyd.
If
the
applicants
wish
to
speak
to
their
applications,
we'll
allow
them
to
to
do
that.
Commissioners
will
make
any
clarifying
questions
and
then
we'll
have
public
comments.
We'll
ask
you
to
limit
your
comments
to
three
minutes
and
Senior.
A
Planner
Boyd
will
use
the
sign
up
sheet
to
go
through
and
call
on
people
and
I
think
that
sheet
is
being
moved
after
the
public
comments,
we'll
close
that
portion
and
Commissioners
will
give
specific
feedback
to
staff
based
on
what
we've
heard.
So
with
that
senior
planner
Boyd.
Would
you
like
to
start
this
item?
Yes,.
B
B
They
have
property
on
either
end
of
the
downtown
transition,
affordable,
housing
overlay,
and
for
that
reason
we
decided
to
combine
them
for
planning
commissions.
Consideration.
I
will
say
that
when
we
come
to
actually
writing
code
language
and
especially
when
it
comes
to
going
to
Council
in
ordinance
form,
there
will
be
separate
sections
for
that
will,
to
some
degree,
apply
to
the
different
proposals
so
that
it
will
be
possible
for
Council
if
we
keep
them
together,
all
the
way
through
Council
to
to
decide
differently
on
on
different
items
in
the
in
the
proposal.
B
The
ultimate
proposal,
so
the
other
purpose
tonight,
is
to
provide
some
additional
analysis.
That's
been
done
since
October
19th,
both
on
the
part
of
staff
and
the
applicants
and
I'm
gonna
skip
over
this
commission
feedback,
because
I
have
that
embedded
later
in
the
in
the
presentation.
I
wanted
to
speak
to
public
notification
first
of
all,
since
and-
and
we
discussed
this
at
the
October
19th
meeting
since
these
code,
amendments
will
apply
as
as
conceived
at
this
point.
B
They
at
least
some
of
the
code
amendments
could
apply
to
this
entire
overlay
area.
They
are
considered
area-wide
code
amendments,
not
Project
Specific
code
amendments
and
therefore
a
male
notice
to
the
500
foot.
Radius
isn't
required
by
our
our
code,
but
because
it
is
a
relatively
confined
area
and
there
are
two
project
proponents
and
proposals
related
to
it.
B
B
We
will
be
doing
the
code
required
notice
noticing
is
already
underway
notice.
Boards
are
up
on
either
end
of
the
overlay
in
front
of
the
properties
of
the
of
the
applicants
and
with
flyers
I
invite
any
members
of
the
public
that
happen
to
find
the
flyer
holder
empty
to
to.
Let
me
know,
and
I
will
try
to
get
get
those
filled
as
soon
as
possible,
and
the
public
hearing
will
be
noticed
on
on
our
website
and
in
our
Journal
of
record
The
Seattle
Times.
B
So
a
little
background
when
we
developed
the
downtown
plan,
starting
in
2006,
the
original
proposal
for
the
downtown
transition
district
and
the
other
transitional
districts,
the
two
Corridor
districts,
sr522
Corridor
and
the
general
downtown
Corridor.
The
original
proposal
was
for
the
height
limit
in
those
areas
to
be
four
floors
and
54
feet.
So
the
the
height
limits
would
step
down
from
the
downtown
core
at
six
stories
and
and
76
feet
to
the
downtown
neighborhood
five
stories
and
65
feet.
B
B
Also,
as
part
of
those
considerations
of
the
density
overlay,
it
was
kept
in
a
couple
of
areas
along
Northeast,
186th,
Street
between
101st
and
103rd
and
along
Buffalo
way
to
the
north
of
downtown.
So
in
the
area,
that's
orange
with
white
cross
hatching
and
I
do
acknowledge
that
there's
some
language
in
the
code
that
may
be
confusing
with
regard
to
that
and
and
we'll
look
at
making
those
changes
either.
As
part
of
this,
these
code
amendments
are
as
other
housekeeping
amendments.
B
For
example,
you
see
in
the
legend
that
the
area
with
a
white
cross
hatching
is
just
identified
as
a
downtown
transition
overlay
and
that's
what
it
was
originally
called,
but
it
should
say
the
downtown
transition
density
overlay
and
in
the
code
it's
referred
to
as
just
downtown
transition
density
without
the
word
overlay.
So
those
are
scriveners
areas,
errors
that
we
will
that
we
will
correct.
B
So
the
changes
requested
we'll
start
with
the
application
that
we
received
from
Brett
Carlson,
and
these
are
verbatim
the
changes
that
that
he
requested,
which
I'll
kind
of
summarize
here.
First
of
all,
he
proposed
to
rezone
the
parcel
on
the
North
West
corner
of
Northeast
175th
and
95th
Avenue
Northeast
before
it
turns
into
Hall
Road
to
downtown
transition
with
inclusion
in
the
in
the
overlay.
B
He
proposed
to
reduce
or
require
required
parking
to
0.75
spaces
per
market
rate
unit
units
and
0.5
for
affordable
units.
This
that
those
proposals
were
made
before
Planning
Commission
made
their
your
recommended
stations
for
additional
parking
reductions
which
have
not
gone
to
council
yet,
but
are
pending
Council
action
and
he
proposed
to
allow
pedestrian
ordered
retail
in
the
downtown
transition
district
and
to
reduce
the
parking
requirement
for
for
that
as
well.
B
The
the
packet
includes
a
concept
plan
and
I
encouraged.
Both
applicants
to
provide
concept
plans
one
to
show
what
the
current
regulations
allow
and
and
two
to
show
what
what
their
preferred
configuration
would
be.
So
in
plan
view,
it's
pretty
much
the
same
in
both
cases.
So
this
is
the
ground
level
plan
for
the
Carlson
proposal.
The
parking
plan
parking
would
be
underneath
each
of
these
buildings,
one
level
of
parking
under
each
of
the
buildings,
and
these
are
site
sections.
B
These
These
are
East-West
sections
looking
North,
so
the
road
here
would
be
Hall,
Road
or
or
95th,
and-
and
this
is
the
code
compliant
one.
If,
if
the
parcel
was
rezoned
to
be
part
of
downtown
transition,
it
would
be
limited
to
under
the
current
code,
to
three
stories
if
at
least
for
the
first
65
feet
from
from
the
special
setback
line,
the
preferred
option
which
I
just
received
today
so
I
haven't
even
had
much
of
a
chance
to
to
review.
B
B
So
it
shows
that
the
upper
level
setback
basically
makes
Building
B
all
three-story,
building
and
and
the
four-story
portion
of
building
a
doesn't
start
until
65
feet
back
from
the
setback
line
and
in
this
scheme,
Building
C
was
also
limited
to
to
three
stories.
I
think
that
was
partly
because
of
the
the
upper
level
setback
that
extends
from
the
single
family,
zoning
to
the
South
and,
again
just
a
slightly
different
angle,
of
both
the
preferred
and
compliant
Concepts,
and
another
thing
I
want
to
emphasize
about
these
illustrations.
B
These
are
are
really
just
building
massing
illustrations.
They
shouldn't
be
interpreted
as
actual
building
designs.
The
the
code
has
a
number
of
Provisions
that
would
require
modulation
and
and
and
and
some
breakup
of
of
long
long
building
masses.
So
this
is
really
just
the
envelope
within
the
which
they
could
build.
B
One
other,
let's
see
I'll,
come
back
to
this
and
also
let
the
applicant
do
come
back
to
this.
These
are
a
couple
of
illustrations
that
were
provided
in
the
the
comments
that
you
received
from
Brian
enquist,
basically
showing
sections
that
that
include
the
joint
adjacent
single
family
homes
and
and
and
takes
the
the
show,
the
topography
all
the
way
down
to
522..
B
So
I
appreciate
that
effort
that
went
into
that.
The
these
two
seem
same.
Accurate
Renditions
of
those
items
so
and
I'll
allow
both
Brett
Carlson
to
come
back
and
speak
to
those
images,
as
and
also
when
Brian
and
Quest
gives
his
remarks,
I'll
be
happy
to
pull
these
up
if
he
wishes,
so
the
Drew's
application.
B
And
again
this
is
verbatim
the
the
actual
code
amendments
that
they
proposed
they
and
so
they're,
proposing
on
their
site
to
have
a
allow,
a
voluntary
incentive
that
would
and
with
voluntary
incentives
we
can
require
a
greater
percentage
and
a
lower
level
of
affordability.
That's
at
least
the
president
that
was
set
in
the
522
voluntary
incentive
that
has
is
being
used
by
the
Sama
senior
housing
project
at
the
old
Bothell
Ski
and
bike
site.
B
They
also,
and
so
that
they're
asking
for
and
initially
asking
for
a
fifth
floor
of
height
through
a
voluntary
incentive
and
that's
what
was
done
at
the
in
the
522
voluntary
incentive
they
provide,
and
they
also
asked
that
those
incentives
be
used
even
if
the
entire
development
is
not
affordable.
So
they're
proposing
a
mix
of
affordable
of
contractually
affordable
housing
and
some
market
rate
units
in
the
development.
The
522.
B
B
B
So
the
Drew's
application
showed
some
very
simple
building
plans
and
sections
that
we've
seen
before
and
they've
since
developed
those
plans-
and
this
is
the
latest
iteration
and
these
are
in
the
packet
so
and
both
the
and
they
also
provided
a
compliant
proposal
and
a
a
preferred
proposal.
The
the
plan
levels
at
the
lower
levels
are
all
the
same
for
the
compliant
and
and
preferred
levels
and
the
only
difference.
B
This
is
actually
the
preferred
one
and
you
can
see
by
the
that
it
by
the
height
listed
in
the
hallway
that
it
it
allows
four
floors
of
of
housing
above
the
second.
Second,
the
first
housing
floor
on
the
courtyard,
so
here
we
have
again
very
diagrammatic
sections
of
the
compliant
proposal
on
the
right
and
the
preferred
proposal
on
the
left.
B
And
again
that
was
a
north-south
section.
This
is
a
East-West
section
through
the
of
the
compliant
and
preferred
plans
and
3D
renderings,
similar
to
The
Carlson
proposal
and
again
these
are
just
building
envelope
diagrams,
not
actual
building
designs,
and
they
we
did
ask
them
to
show
enough
of
the
surrounding
context.
So
you
could
see
how
they
relate
to
the
some
of
the
surrounding
structures
of
single-family
homes,
uphill
to
the
west
and
north
and
and
the
multi-family
structures
to
the
east.
B
They
again
use
the
King,
County
right,
size,
parking,
calculator
to
and
actually
hired
a
traffic
engineer
to
do,
a
parking
study.
The
code
currently
allows
senior
and
special
needs
housing
developments
to
reduce
their
parking
to
as
low
as
0.3
spaces
per
unit.
With
the
understanding
that
those
types
of
projects
the
tenants
may
not
have
cars,
but
they
still
need
to
provide
parking
for
staff
and
and
visitors,
so
their
study
showed
that
they
could
justify
a
parking
ratio
of
0.34
spaces
per
unit.
B
And
of
course,
this
we
just
received
this
again
today,
and
so
we
have
an
edge
to
review
it.
And
but
again
it
includes
listing
the
sizes
of
the
the
units,
the
the
average
rent
and
and
the
pricing
per
stall,
and
these
are
from
the
the
previous
packet.
But
a
few
illustrations
of
of
some
conditions
that
Drews
wanted
to
share
with
us.
B
Commissioner,
kurd
pointed
out
that
there
had
been
some
recent
amendments
to
our
retaining
wall
regulations
and
indeed,
we've
we've
asked
the
applicant
and
staff
has
has
done
some
analysis
based
on
those.
The
those
regulations
are
shown
on
the
illustration
on
the
left
here
which
basically
require
a
sort
of
terrorist
retaining
walls,
and
they
were
primarily
focused
on
the
impact
of
rain,
retaining
walls
facing
outward
from
a
side
towards
the
adjoining
property.
B
Alternatively,
should
the
criteria
for
deviations
in
the
public
interest
be
better
defined
right
now,
they're,
they're,
pretty
Broad,
and
and
could
probably
use
some
criteria
if
that,
if
that's
the
the
preferred
path,
the
crews
have
also
raised
the
question
of
special
setback.
Changes
potential
changes
to
the
special
setback
requirements
currently
adjacent
to
residential.
Only
zoning
structures
in
the
downtown
sub-area
and
the
transition
districts
are
required
to
set
back
25
feet
and
have
a
10
a
minimum.
10
foot,
type,
2,
landscape,
barrier
and
type
2
is
our
second
most
dense
Landscaping.
B
It
has
a
mixture
of
Evergreen
and
deciduous
trees
and
and
understory
plants.
So
this
this
is
showing
more
than
that,
but
the
so
the
10
feet
would
be
the
the
dark
green
area
and
that's
in
a
situation
where
you're
directly
abutting
single
family
homes.
It
also
applies
across
the
street
so
from
the
setback
line.
B
Well,
the
upper
level
setbacks
also
apply
across
the
street,
so
buildings
are
allowed
to
go
to
three
stories
at
that
back
line,
but
if
they
go
any
higher,
there's
a
65
foot
upper
levels
that
backer
offset
now,
of
course,
currently
with
the
three-story
height
limit.
That's
a
moot
point,
but
if
we,
if
a
commission
does
raise
the
height
limit,
this
would
come
into
into
play
and
and
the
packet
included
some
illustrations
for
your
consideration
of.
B
If
you
do,
if
you
are
interested
in
perhaps
reducing
these
either
of
these
setbacks,
taking
into
account
view
lines
from
an
adjacent
one
or
two-story
single-family
home.
So
again,
some
questions
for
consideration.
Should
special
setbacks
be
amended
at
all,
and
should
those
amendments
be
for
all
downtown
transitional
districts,
including
sr522
and
general
downtown
Corridor
districts,
or
should
those
also
be
limited
just
to
in
conjunction
with
voluntary
incentives?
B
B
B
In
the
case
of
the
the
Drew's
proposal,
as
I
said,
the
special
special
needs
housing.
There
are
already
Provisions
that
I
should
say
special
needs
off
housing
within
a
half
mile
of
frequent
Transit
service,
which
that
is
both
of
these
are
for
those
special
needs
and
senior
housing
can
go
down
as
low
as
0.3
spaces
per
unit.
B
With
a
parking
study,
the
for
other
projects,
the
Planning
Commission
recommendation
does
set
a
limit
without
a
parking
study
within
a
half
mile,
but
and
doesn't
establish
a
floor
in
for
market
rate
projects
in
that
radius,
but
allows
a
reduction
in
the
parking
to
be
coupled
with
a
commensurate
increase
in
affordability.
So
that
work
is
being
that
analysis
is
being
done
by
our
colleagues
at
Arch.
It's
not
quite
ready,
but
we
still
would
like
to
get
feedback
from
Planning
Commission.
On
on
on
those
approaches.
B
B
So
one
and
and
we
have
received
other
similar
requests
for
retail
in
the
downtown
transition
District,
which
some
we've
been
able
to
allow
because
of
pre-existing
retail.
So
it's
been
allowed
as
a
continuation
of
use,
but
there
have
been
other
situations
where,
where
applicants
have
have
proposed
it,
but
haven't
been
able
to
to
do
so.
The
reason
was
for
being
as
restrictive
as
the
code
is,
is
trying
to
get
a
critical
mass
of
retail
in
the
downtown
core.
B
But
we
are
seeing
some
desire.
Some
need
for
for
additional
retail
space
and
some
of
these
less
expensive
areas
in
in
parts
of
the
downtown
transition
district
and
the
other
transitional
districts.
The
other
transitional
districts
allow
Corner
Store
retail,
which
basically
just
means
a
limited
area
retail,
but
it's
fairly
restrictive
too.
It
says
it
has
to
be
part
of
a
larger
project
and
on
the
corner
of
a
larger
project.
B
G
G
Yeah
project
for
over
50
years,
we've
been
good
stewards
to
date,
but
as
the
region
continues
to
grow,
change
has
become
necessary.
I
think
the
next
chapter
will
be
even
better
for
Hall
Road
and
the
future
of
Bothell
in
an
effort
to
do
our
part
to
mitigate
the
environmental
and
housing
and
affordability
crises
affecting
our
region.
G
We
are
presenting
a
development
plan
set
in
motion
nearly
a
decade
ago
by
the
city
of
Bothell,
the
three
building
four-story
plus
underground
parking
project,
creating
224
dwelling
units
as
micro,
Studio,
one
and
two
bedroom
apartments,
with
a
mix
of
affordable
and
market
rate
rents
in
the
quest
to
house
more
people
and
increase
housing,
affordability
without
control
of
demand
for
housing.
Our
only
viable
approach
is
to
increase
the
supply
of
housing.
G
G
In
my
view,
this
is
the
only
currently
viable
way
to
enable
necessary
Improvement
to
the
safety
and
utility
of
whole
Road
in
a
meaningful
and
effective
way
and
by
moving
the
existing
building
on
17707
Hall
Road
to
a
new
location
on
the
development
site
and
allowing
a
pedestrian-oriented
retail
use
is
an
excellent
way
to
preserve
the
building
and
provide
some
degree
of
public
access
and
enjoyment
the
removal
of
the
65-foot
special
setback,
and
it
was
the
creation
of
42
additional
dwelling
units.
I.
G
Fewer
parking
spaces
encourages
and
actually
yields
fewer
cars
which
leads
to
Greater
environmental
responsibility,
I.
Think
as
as
Dave
mentioned,
it's
our
site
is
about
650
feet
from
a
frequent
Transit
stop
and
less
than
a
half
mile
from
a
future.
Rapid
Transit
stop
making
it
well
suited
for
public
transportation
utilization.
G
B
H
Thank
you,
Commissioners
and
thank
you.
Bothell
residents
for
Connie
and
I
are
pleased
to
be
able
to
share
a
little
bit
about
the
project
that
we've
been
working
on
and
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background.
We
are
long
time
Bothell
residents,
so
we've
lived
here
for
over
20
years.
We
currently
live
in
downtown
Bothell
and
we
live
next
to
a
commercial
structure.
So
we
can
empathize
and
sympathize
with
those
of
you
who
are
seeing
the
growth
that
is
happening
in
downtown
Bothell.
H
The
reason
why
we're
here
is
is
we
we
have
a
daughter,
that's
23
years
old.
She
is
high
functioning
special
needs.
She
has
ID.
She's
has
intellectual
delays
and
when
we
started
going
to
look
for
housing
for
her,
we
it
was
very
hard
to
find
any
housing
out
there,
and
that
is
a
common
issue
with
all
all
of
the
the
the
people
that
are
in
similar
situations
to
us
and
so
to
make
a
long
story
short.
We
we
purchased
a
a
parcel
in
downtown
Bothell
that
ended
up
having
us.
H
In
particular,
it's
it's
important
to
be
close
to
school
day.
Services
other
types
of
services,
shopping,
libraries,
those
types
of
those
those
types
of
amenities
and
and
also
transportation,
is
really
important.
A
lot
of
the
idd
community
do
not
drive,
they
don't
have
vehicles
and
they
do
not
drive,
and
so
the
one
of
the
key
things
about
this
particular
site
is.
It
is
really
well
located.
H
I
Hi
I'm,
Connie
and
I
agree
with
everything
Dave
said,
and
one
of
the
things
I
just
wanted
to
share
is
that
our
family.
We
raised
our
family
here
in
Bothell
and
we
would
love
for
our
daughter
and
her
friends
classmates
that
have
grown
up
here
in
Bothell
to
have
an
opportunity
to
stay
in
Bothell
to
live
in
Bothell
and
right
now,
there's
not
that
opportunity
for
individuals
with
disabilities
and
for
those
who
don't
know.
Several
years
ago
the
Seattle
Children's
Hospital
opened
the
Alyssa
Burnett
Center
and
the
Alyssa
Burnett
Center
is
just
down
the
way.
I
It's
actually
walking
distance
from
our
proposed
project
and
our
daughter
currently
walks
when
it's
not
freezing
outside
from
our
home
in
downtown
Bothell
to
the
Alyssa
Burnett
Center,
and
that
Center
started
out
with
10
families.
Now
they
serve
over
180
families,
people
come
to
Bothell,
so
we
want
it
to
be
a
place
where
people
people
could
also
live
work
and
have
a
full
life
I
and
right
now,
there's
not
affordable
housing.
There's
four
individuals
specifically
with
disabilities,
so
that
that
is
by
far
our
Focus.
I
We
do
plan
on
it
being
a
inclusive
environment
that
would
welcome
possibly
students
or
other
most
likely
singles
or
couples
based
on
the
size
of
the
units,
but
we're
excited
about
it,
and
the
need
is
great.
There's
a
great
demand
for
this
type
of
project
and
the
location
is
ideal.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
B
If
the,
if
they
the
corner,
parcel,
wasn't
included,
then
the
the
amount
of
improvements.
Technically
we
require
a
development
to
do
half
Street
improvements,
so
the
they
would
improve
the
the
west
side
on
the
north
side
of
the
property,
there
would
be
a
short
section
where
they'd
be
improving
both
sides
and
then
the
the
east
side
to
the
South.
B
Now
this
is
a
special
situation,
so
we
would
entertain
reasonable
deviations
from
the
standards
and
given
the
the
topography
and
and
the
narrow
area
available,
it
would
likely
be
two
travel,
Lanes
20
feet
and
then
a
sidewalk
on
one
side.
It
would
would
probably
be
the
likely
improvements
and
what
that
would
do
would
connect
the
the
sidewalks
on
95th
and
175th
enough
to
522
to
the
transit
service
and
to
the
rest
of
downtown.
B
A
D
Just
senior
planner,
if
you
would
allow
me
to
ask
so
they're,
going
to
be
doing
Frontage
apartment.
Excuse
me
improvements
right
in
front
of
their
properties,
but
that's
a
narrow
road
all
the
way
through
there.
So
is
it
going
to
remain
a
narrow
road
in
front
of
the
already
existing
properties,
because
I
would
presume
that
the
people
doing
the
development
are
not
going
to
do
the
whole
road
down
to
522
right.
So
I
just
want
to
get
a
full,
so
it
would
be
narrow
and
then
it
would.
B
And
and
the
the
portion
of
Hall
Road
North
of
their
property
is
a
little
bit
wider,
it's
still
a
relatively
Narrow
Street
and
it
only
has
a
sidewalk
on
one
side,
but
it's
wider
than
the
portion
that
goes
right
through
the
their
properties,
so
we're
gonna
match
up.
At
least
it
would
match
up
with.
What's
to
the
north,
okay,
okay,
thank.
J
Sarah
Gustafson
here
first
I,
wanted
to
thank
the
residents
for
their
attendance,
especially
our
youngest
and
most
patient
members
of
that
residents
here,
and
my
question
stems
from
the
December
21st
email
from
Brian
and
Katie
and
Quist,
and
their
concerns
about
environmental
and
habitat
impacts
for
the
north
side.
Carlson
proposal
I
have
two
questions.
First,
would
you
be
able
to
clarify
the
extent
to
which
green
belt
and
existing
trees
would
be
displaced,
and,
second,
if
that
would
be
the
case,
what
kinds
of
replanting
or
other
Landscaping
improvements
might
be
there?
B
It
probably
requires
some
additional
understory
plants,
but,
and
then
the
10
foot,
wide
type
2
landscape
buffer
would
be
required
on
on
the
rest
of
that
Frontage.
If,
if
the,
if
all
three
properties
were
included
in
the
development,
so
extending
South
to
175th
they're,
there
would
need
to
be
some
accommodation
for
fire
access
along
that
side,
but
it
would
be,
it
would
be
done.
B
As
staff
has
looked
into
the
the
geotechnical
situation
there
and-
and
it
has
been
identified
as
as
a
area
with
some
historic
Landslide
activity
and
and
of
course,
any
development-
there
would
require
a
an
extent
to
the
geotechnical
report,
but
the
Drews
have
have
retained
the
engineering
firm.
That
is,
you
know,
aware
of
of
those
they
haven't.
They
haven't
actually
done
the
Geotech
report
that
would
be
required
when
they
get
to
any
development
application.
B
K
You,
commissioner,
I,
wanted
to
to
state
acknowledgment
and
then
ask
a
question,
and
the
acknowledged
ones
is
just
for
transparency
that
I
live
within
the
notification
boundaries
for
the
Drew's
property.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
commission
was
aware
of
that
and
then
the
question
that
I
had
for
senior
finer
Boyd
is:
could
you
could
you
explain
what
the
requirements
are
for
the
percentage
of
affordable
housing
and
how
that
is
based?
B
That's
where
we
rely
heavily
on
on
the
expertise
of
our
colleagues
at
Arch,
and
they
basically
do
an
analysis
of
the
project
of
the
you
know
applying
figures
for
cost
of
construction.
They
basically
do
a
sort
of
a
pro
forma
of
the
project
and
then
and
then
do
an
assessment
of
how
much
value
the
additional
floor
or
the
reduction
in
parking
or
the
removal
of
a
density
limit
would
create,
and
then
they
basically
split
that
benefit
between
the
property
owner
and
the
public.
B
The
the
property
owner
gets
some
benefit
from
the
increase,
but
the
public
gets
the
benefit
in
in
terms
of
affordable
housing
and
and
then,
and
basically,
they
put
a
value
to
to
that
as
well
or
essentially
determine
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
the
development
to
do
that
so
and
so
in
the
current
overlay.
There's
a
requirement
for
10
of
the
units
to
be
affordable
to
households,
earning
for
rental
housing,
households
with
earning
60
of
the
area
meeting
income
or
for
ownership,
housing
80
of
the
air
median
income.
B
Initial
analysis
shows
that,
with
the
additional
store
floor
that
could
be
reduced
to
50
percent.
Potentially,
at
that
same
10
percent
and
I've
asked
them
also
to
to
look
at
an
option
that
would
keep
the
affordable
building
levels
and
increase
the
percentage
so
that
you
you
can.
We
can
consider
both.
L
Commissioner
Western
Bank
is
commissioner
westerbeck.
Since
commissioner
Jones
I
mentioned
I
wanted
to
also
say:
I
was
unnoticed
of
the
projects.
I
live
very
close
to
both
projects
and
I
was
within
the
you
know,
the
card
that
was
sent
out.
The
five
is
it
500
feet,
I
think
so
anyway,
I
also
live
within
the
affected.
Zone.
J
J
If
we
could
put
some
numbers
in
ballpark
figures
on
the
types
of
affordable
housing
that
might
be
provided
in
the
Carlson
development,
if
there
are
180
units
would
we
say,
18
of
those
units
would
be
affordable
to
households,
earning
60
of
area,
meeting
income,
meaning
do
some
calculations
that
it
might
cost
Seventeen
hundred
dollars
a
month
for
a
two
bedroom
apartment.
So
we
can
really
flesh
out
the
idea
of
what
might
be
provided.
Yes,.
B
We
can
do
that
and
and
that
that
would
be
part
of
our
Arch's
analysis.
Okay,
I
will
I
was.
We
have
received
some
comments
about
in
the
parking
calculator
worksheets
that
were
provided.
It
showed
some
rent
levels.
Those
are
average
rent
levels,
they're,
not
necessarily
the
affordable
rent
levels,
so
just
wanted
to
make
that
clarification
as
well.
B
B
D
B
B
As
Mr
Carlson
noted,
the
the
buffer,
the
treat
buffer,
the
mature
tree
buffer,
that
they
have
would
would
go
a
long
way
in
obscuring
any
sight
lines
between
between
the
development
and
have
a
similar
buffer
would
be
required
to
be
planted.
It
would
take
a
while
to
mature,
on
the
other
frontages
adjacent
to
single
family
development.
K
Thank
you,
one
additional
question
for
Cena
planner
Boyd
I
really
appreciated
the
overall
presentation.
It
really
helped.
It
helped
me
understand,
what's
being
proposed
so
much
better
than
some
of
the
materials
that
were
provided
by
email
early
on
in
the
presentation
you,
you
noted
that
Zone
initially
four
floors
and
54
feet
were
so
were
what
were
going
to
be
approved,
but
then
it
was
scaled
back
to
three
floors
35
feet.
D
A
All
right
so
at
this
point
I'd
like
to
invite
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
speak
to
either
of
these
proposals
to
do
so,
senior
planner
boy
does
have
a
sign
up
sheet.
I.
Think
he'll
read
through
maybe
go
through
three,
so
people
know
they're
on
deck.
I'll.
Ask
you
to
limit
your
comments
to
three
minutes
and
I
will
set
my
timer
and
I'll.
B
And
the
sign-in
sheet
has
an
opt-in
to
be
included
in
the
as
a
party
of
record,
but
it
doesn't
have
a
check
box
for
those
who
want
to
speak.
So
I'll
just
go
down
the
list
and
if
you
do
want
to
speak,
come
on
forward
and
if
you're
like
next
in
line,
come
and
be
ready
to
to
go
ahead
and
speak.
So
the
first
name
is
Chet
Norton.
B
M
Hello,
I'm
Whitney,
Holliday
and
I'm
here
to
speak
about
the
Carlson
proposal,
so
just
a
little
bit
about
who
I
am
I'm.
The
president
of
the
towel,
Ridge
at
Bothell,
Homer's,
Association,
Talon
Ridge,
is
a
three-year-old
Community
with
32
single-family
homes.
It's
about
one
to
two
blocks,
south
of
the
Carlson
proposal
and
I
just
wanted
to
voice
opposition
on
behalf
of
our
community,
our
community.
On
this
proposal.
The
board
of
directors
is
unanimous
and
that
stance
and
I've
also
observed
from
our
community
Forum.
M
Other
opposition
among
among
homeowners
as
well
and
I,
think
you've
probably
received
several
letters,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
you
know.
The
Carlson
proposal
is
illogical
and
out
of
character
for
this
neighborhood
there's
all
sorts
of
issues.
If
you
come
up
and
see
it,
you'll
notice
that
the
Topography
is
very
Steep
and
challenging
this
area
and
neighborhood
in
general
is,
is
a
bit
isolated
from
downtown
it's
it's
upgrade
from
522
and
it's
almost
like
on
its
own
Peninsula,
and
so
in
my
letter
that
I
submitted
I
put
a
map
of
topography.
M
So
you
can
understand
this.
What
this
area
is
like
over
here
so
when
I
see
this
and
I
see
the
the
proposal
for
new
apartments.
It
makes
me
think
that
this
is
an
area
that
the
city
is
is
hoping
for
growth
and
I,
just
don't
see
how
that's
going
to
make
sense
for
what
is
currently
there
and
the
way
it
is
geographically
situated.
M
This
is
not
adjacent
to
a
commercial
Zone,
as
you
you're
going
to
find
out
lots
of
homeowners
are
there
and
and
even
again,
on
this
site.
It's
this
is
not
an
arterial
Road,
there's
no
transition
and
you
have
very
different
building
uses
here.
You
know
I
I,
believe
that
this
will
have
negative
impacts.
All
around
you
know
the
number
of
issues
of
traffic
parking
potential
for
urban
density,
just
related
issues.
M
You
know
I
I,
believe
this
proposal
is
unfair
and
it's
a
misguided
misuse
of
authority
to
rezone
a
lot
so
that
someone
can
build
whatever
project
that
they
propose
and
I.
Just
that
I
see
it
as
an
erosion
of
trust
forming
among
the
constituents,
because
it
looks
like
the
city
is
here
to
push
an
agenda
and
that
it's
it
wants
it
so
badly
that
we're
evading
the
major
weaknesses
of
this
site.
Just
to
make
this
happen-
and
you
know
I
I-
think
this
has
to
be
more
important.
M
N
All
right,
I'm,
Brian,
enquist
I'd,
like
to
thank
everybody
for
being
present.
We
are
the
city.
So
it's
great
to
see
you
here,
I'm
a
resident
directly
impacted
by
the
Carlson
proposal.
I'm
standing
in
front
of
you
not
opposed
to
development,
affordable
housing
or
population
density
I'm
here
to
urge
the
city
to
do
it
properly
with
facts
and
data
to
ensure
it's
not
implemented
in
a
manner
which
alienates
your
citizens
and
causes
revolt
and
lean
manufacturing
is
a
phrase.
What
problem
are
you
trying
to
solve?
N
The
purpose
of
this
is
because,
if
you
truly
don't
understand
the
problem,
you
risk
creating
more
problems
in
your
solution.
So
I
asked
the
city.
What
problem
are
you
solving
and
will
you
create
10
more
problems
of
your
solution?
You
may
meet
affordable
housing
quota,
but
are
you
solving?
The
problem
is
rent
control
departments.
The
solution
to
this
problem,
Hall
Road,
is
a
choke
point
and
dangerous.
N
As
reference
to
my
letter
to
the
city,
council
and
Planning
Commission,
please
read:
There
are
numerous
ways.
This
proposal
does
not
make
sense,
nor
is
it
Justified
and
has
serious
conflict
with
the
existing
code,
which
has
not
even
met
granted.
The
exceptions
requested
with
a
maximum
20
units
per
acre,
BMC
12.64.103
read
it
stated.
The
proposed
looks
like
now:
70
units
per
acre
on
a
steep
hill
side,
with
terrible
access
in
all
directions
and
no
buffer
to
adjacent
homes
makes
no
sense,
nor
is
it
allowed.
N
Well,
not
as
drastic
in
proposal.
Look
at
this
property
and
development,
not
as
a
temporary
solution
to
quotas,
but
as
a
potential
success
story
for
Bothell
and
the
Puget
Sound
is
all
cities
within
the
growth
Corridor
look
to
implement
similar
middle
housing
initiatives
as
Bothell
hopes
and
the
2024
major
planning
update
as
a
referenced.
In
my
letter,
these
two
locations,
Carlson
Drews,
are
vastly
different.
Therefore,
I
recommends
separating
these
proposals
to
prevent
amendments
with
broad
impact
affecting
the
neighborhood
of
Hall,
Road
and
Bothell
as
a
whole.
N
L
O
Hi,
my
name
is
Bowden
inquist
I
live
right
behind,
where
they're
going
to
build
the
big
apartments
and
I.
Don't
think
that
they
should
do
this,
because
one
I
go
play
out
in
the
streets
almost
every
day
and
if
they
put
the
apartments
there
there'll
be
too
much
cars
and
traffic,
and
it
will
be
dangerous
for
me
to
play
outside.
My
second
reason
is
because
the
the
apartments
will
be
staring
down
to
me
in
my
room
and
I
and
I
like
to
have
privacy
and
I.
Don't
want
people
staring
at
me.
O
My
third
and
last
reason
is
because,
because
anytime
I
go
outside
and
play
in
my
backyard,
or
even
just
just
playing
my
room
with
my
sister
people
will
be
maybe
watching
us
or
sometimes
on
the
deck.
If
we
have
like
dinner
or
something
they
can
hear,
what
we're
saying
and
I
just
like
that
privacy.
Thank
you.
A
P
E
P
Seconds:
okay,
that's
fine,
I'll,
just
go
ahead
and
start.
My
name
is
Katie.
Bowden
is
a
much
better
speaker
than
I.
Am
so
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
read
off
my
sheet:
I
couldn't
memorize
this
I'm
a
Bothell
resident
and
would
be
severely
impacted
by
the
Amendments
requested
in
the
Carlson
Andrews
proposals
to
the
Drews
I
appreciate
your
statement
about
living,
downtown
I,
don't
live,
downtown
and
I
chose
to
live
above
it
and
the
transition
zone
needs
to
maintain
the
code
accordingly.
P
P
The
Drew's
proposal
is
well
thought
out,
but
the
Carlson
proposal
is
not
and
its
justifications
are
based
on
the
opinion
of
the
applicant
and
not
facts,
and
data
moving
forward
would
be
detrimental
to
the
future
of
Bothell.
A
better
option
for
this
location,
with
its
proximity
to
single-family
homes
would
be
to
consider
it
for
Middle
housing
instead
rezone
the
parcels
in
question
to
allow
for
this
plan
and
movement
to
take
a
big
step
forward
and
to
coincide
with
what
the
state
is
working
toward
as
a
whole.
P
Let
me
point
out
that
this
Zone,
according
to
bothell's
plan,
was
designed
and
stated
to
transition
the
downtown
core
to
single-family
neighborhoods.
This
proposal
does
not
transition.
If
you
see
the
little
tiny
house
next
to
the
massive
building,
you
can
see
that
Hall
Road
is
local
access,
only
it's
a
very
narrow
road,
with
its
widest
portion
being
only
about
30
feet
which
allows
it
to
serve
about
100
units.
P
P
Will
you
really
be
fixing
the
problem
of
Hall
Road
by
adding
hundreds
of
additional
cars
with
reduced
parking
and
creating
a
thoroughfare
through
a
strictly
residential
neighborhood?
So
Paul
connects
to
175th?
If
you
only
stop
the
improvements
at
Hull
that
doesn't
solve
the
problem
of
175th,
where
there
are
also
multiple
choke
points
again.
My
final
point
is
to
illustrate
the
undeniable
difference
in
the
location
of
these
two
proposals.
P
The
Drew's
proposal
is
at
the
bottom
of
Hill,
roughly
about
60
to
100
feet
in
elevation
below
the
nearest
single
family,
residence,
and
it
is
not
near
any
historical
or
historically
significant
homes.
The
Carlson
proposal,
which
includes
a
property
with
historic
significance,
is
within
15
feet
of
nearby
homes,
where
the
elevation
difference
is
at
most
15
feet.
So
are
you
willing
to
set
the
present
that
this
is
okay
and
to
the
Bothell
City
Council
Members
that
are
listening?
P
You
were
elected
to
serve
and
represent
both
a
residents,
not
support
an
agenda,
and
if
each
of
you
have
not
visited
this
site,
you
need
to
just
to
see
the
difference.
Use
the
site
more
appropriately.
Washington's
2023
middle
housing,
Bill
addresses
the
state's
housing
housing
shortage
and
opens
up
affordable
options
for
families,
elderly
and
first-time
homebuyers
suggest
this
location
be
rezoned
in
the
upcoming
comprehensive
Plan
update.
Thank
you.
E
Randy
I'll
just
take
a
second
I'm,
the
grandparent
to
Bowdoin,
but
I.
Don't
take
credit
I,
don't
know
that
Miss
Boyd,
Miss,
Jones,
I'm,
sorry
that
you
had
your
question
really
answered
about
Hall,
Road
and
I.
Don't
know
if
it's
a
chicken,
an
egg
theory
that
you
that
the
city
kind
of
quasi-approved
the
development
first
and
then
go
further
look
at
the
road
and
I
know
Miss
Robson.
You
also
had
a
question
about
the
road
I.
Don't
drive
up
Hall
Road
presently
to
go
to
my
daughter's
house,
which
is
a
much
quicker
way.
E
It's
too
steep,
too
narrow.
It
wouldn't
handle
a
fire
truck.
So
your
question
isn't
answered
yet
and
I
think
would
need
to
be
before
any
any
speculation
about
approving
any
proposal
as
to
this
road
need
to
be
widened
and
again.
I
agree
with
my
daughter,
however,
that
you
shouldn't
do
the
proposal
because
you're
just
increasing
traffic
but
Hall
Road
is
so
dangerous
and
so
narrow
right
now
and
I.
E
Q
Okay,
good
evening,
my
name
is
Gary
Smith.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
Dave
Boyd
for
coming
up
to
our
neighborhood
this
morning
and
walking
around
with
us
and
answering
our
questions.
We
would
also
like
to
invite
each
of
the
Commissioners
to
come
up
to
our
neighborhood
and
walk
around
see
what
you're.
Looking
what
you're,
what
you're
looking
at
here
and
talk
to
our
residents.
My
wife
and
I
moved
here
in
1993.
we're
longtime
residents,
but
we're
not.
We
do
not
want
to
live
next
door
to
a
commercial
Enterprise
or
apartments
or
condos.
Q
Our
property
is
a
joints.
We're
we're
next
to
the
Collins
Property,
which
is
not
part
of
this
proposal
right
now,
but
we
don't
have
a
tree
barrier,
our
The
Proposal,
taken
with
us
if
it
goes
along
with
a
Carlson
proposal,
well
about
a
four
foot,
four
story:
apartment
building
about
20
25
feet
from
our
fence.
Looking
up
at
that,
there's
been
a
lot
of
major
Construction
in
Bothell
over
the
past
five
ten
fifteen
years,
the
downtown
area
has
changed
dramatically,
we're
now
driving
through
downtown
looking
up
at
six
seven
eight
story:
buildings,
incredible
what
we?
Q
What
was
this
is
a
lot
of
open
space,
some
Wetlands,
probably,
and
some
beautiful
forests.
We
have
a
lot
less
now
we
have
a
lot
less
trees
and
a
lot
less
green
in
Bothell,
I
guess
I
should
say,
thank
goodness
for
the
Magnolia
dairy
farm.
I
can
only
imagine
what
would
happen
across
the
street
from
Bothell
High
School
if
that
land
was
developed.
Q
A
R
The
Carlson
project,
in
particular
due
to
the
increased
traffic
and
the
safety
of
our
children,
truly
as
a
child
already
with
cars
parked
on
the
side
of
the
street,
with
a
one-way
sidewalk
up,
I
think
it's
94th,
Avenue
I
already
felt
unsafe
when
cars
are
parked
there
and
one
comes
down.
It's
a
one-way
Lane
now
I'm,
not
even
talking
about
Hall
Road
I'm.
R
Talking
about
your
connecting
Road,
that's
the
argument
that
is
safe
already
as
it
is
well,
if
you
were
to
look
at
delivery
trucks
coming
to
these
retail
centers,
they
will
need
food
delivered
already.
A
FedEx
truck
couldn't
get
up
all
road,
so
that
would
encourage
these
bigger
trucks,
fire
trucks,
any
anyone
coming
down,
94th
Avenue
Northeast,
which
is
where
our
children
walk
to
school.
R
So
I
urge
you
to
think
about
the
safety
concerns
and
I
urge
you
to
remember
that
people
become
over
profit.
Please
remember
that
this
is
not
an
affordable
housing
unit
that
they're
proposing
they're,
proposing
mixed.
If
this
were
only
about
affordable
housing
and
truly
about
helping
the
people,
I
would
not
be
in
opposition,
but
that
is
not
what
I
heard
and
I
did
not
hear
any
conclusive
analysis
or
data
presented
today.
R
What
I
heard
is
that
they
failed
to
present
that
to
you
previously,
and
they
sent
you
these
documents
before
this
meeting,
not
giving
Council
enough
time
to
fully
consider
the
data
hoping
that
you
would
be
swayed
into
their
perspective.
I
urge
you
to
hear
me
because
I
come
from
a
place
of
a
resident
who
walks
these
streets
every
day,
who,
as
it
stands,
is
afraid
to
walk
up
whole
Road
I
would
never
walk
it
up
right
now
and
I
would
never
let
my
children
walk
it
up
and
adding
more
people.
R
Even
if
you
extended
this
to
be
a
two-lane
road,
there
would
be
parking
look
at
downtown
Bothell.
If
you
drive
it
at
midnight
tonight,
I
guarantee
cars
will
be
parked
outside
of
these
apartments.
So,
even
if
you
say
that,
oh
you
know,
we
have
spaces
for
people
to
park.
Well,
there's
more
cars,
people
still
have
cars,
even
if
parking
spaces
fill
up,
they
still
need
a
place
to
park
and
encouraging
retail
encourages
more
cars
to
drive
through
this
neighborhood.
So
now
we're
filling
residential
neighborhoods
with
more
cars.
R
Please
walk
through
downtown
at
midnight
and
you
will
see
what
I'm
talking
about.
That
is
what
you
are
encouraging.
If
you
support
this
in
a
residential
neighborhood,
please
I've
been
told
democracy
works,
I'm
I'm
here,
because
I
really
want
to
believe
that.
So
thank
you
for
listening
to
me.
I
also
submitted
a
letter.
Please
read
my
letter.
A
S
S
You
know
I'm
here
tonight
to
express
my
concern
over
the
proposed
development
of
the
182
mixed
use:
apartment
in
retail,
on
Hall
Road.
My
family
lives
just
a
stone's
throw
away
from
the
proposed
development
on
175th.
Street
Our
concern
is
that,
even
with
improvements
to
Hall
Road,
it
cannot
accommodate
the
traffic
that
will
come
with
the
development.
In
the
years
that
we
lived
here,
we
have
avoided
using
Hall
Road.
We
would
instead
go
towards
Bothell,
High,
School
and
then
head
down
cougar
road
towards
Bothell
Way.
S
Even
though
Hall
Road
is
a
shorter
distance
to
both
away
downtown
and
the
landing,
we
do
not
use
Hall
Road,
it's
just
too
dangerous.
The
combination
of
the
steep
slope,
lack
of
sidewalks
narrowness
and
blind
Corners
makes
this
road
difficult
to
see
pedestrians
and
oncoming
cars,
even
with
the
expansion
of
the
road
and
sidewalks.
S
The
blind
areas
at
the
top
of
the
hill
and
Corners
would
still
exist,
not
to
mention
the
Steep
drop-off
on
the
east
side
of
the
road
to
add
the
traffic
of
additional
cars,
trucks
and
Retail
foot
traffic
to
Hall
Road
would
be
very
unsafe,
to
say
the
least.
Consideration
would
have
to
be
taken
into
account
to
the
neighborhood
streets
and
homes
that
Hall
Road
feeds
into
ask
that
the
members
of
this
Council
take
Serious
consideration
to
the
peace
and
safety
of
the
impacted,
neighborhood
that
this
proposed
development
would
cause.
Thank
you.
T
Hi,
my
name
is
Martin
Bartholomew,
I'm,
KOA,
Bartholomew's,
dad
and
KOA.
Bartholomew
is
friends
with
Ari
the
the
Jews
that
Drews
and
I'm,
hoping
one
day
that
KOA
can
live
in
Bothell
and
he
can
live
in
a
place
with
people
like
him
and
he
can
be
supported
in
this
community,
so
I'm
in
favor
of
the
Jews
project.
Thank
you.
U
Giving
us
this
open
Forum,
unlike
some
of
these
folks,
who
have
been
in
Bothell
for
decades,
I
just
moved
here
three
months
ago
and
not
only
did
I
just
move
to
Bothell,
but
my
husband.
We
just
got
married
this
in
2022
and
he
made
me
move
all
the
way
out
to
Washington,
and
so
when
we
looked
for
a
house,
I
think
we
toured
70
70
houses.
We
made
our
realtor
take
us
to
because
I
didn't
know
the
difference
between
Kenmore
Bothell,
Kirkland
Woodenville.
U
All
I
knew
is
he
lived
in
Seattle,
proper
and
I
did
not
want
to
be
there
because
it
was
too
crowded
for
this
Midwestern
girl,
so
I
wanted
to
come
out
and
I
immediately
fell
in
love
with
Bothell
and
especially
175th
Street,
where
we
bought
a
house
and
closed
in
October
and
when
we
first
toured
it,
we
immediately
fell
in
love.
I
saw
families
pushing
kids
on
strollers
I
saw
dogs
in
the
neighbor's
yard
across
the
street.
It
was
the
exact
neighborhood
that
I
envisioned
raising
a
future
family
and
making
Bothell
at
home.
U
My
parents
still
live
in
the
house
that
they've
been
in
for
32
years
and
so
I
bought
this
house,
hoping
that
Bothell
could
be
a
long-term
home
for
us.
So
this
is
one
way
for
us
to
get
to
our
to
know
our
neighbors
nice
meeting
you
all
and
we
just
strongly
oppose
the
Carlson
property,
because
we
are
directly
across
the
street
and
it
would
completely
change.
U
U
W
Sorry,
my
name
is
Cameron
Hilton
I'm
here
to
speak
specifically
about
the
Carlson
proposal.
My
wife
and
child
are
outside
I,
don't
know
if
they're
gonna
make
a
cameo
or
not.
When
my
wife
told
me
that
the
city
was
planning
on
building
180
units
now,
apparently
more
at
the
top
of
Hall
Road
I
honestly
thought
she
was
joking.
W
I
thought
this,
because
anyone
who's
been
on
Hall
Road
knows
that
it
is
too
steep
too
narrow,
too
unwalkable
too
unparkable
too
close
to
residential
family
homes
too
inaccessible
and
too
far
away
from
city
services
to
be
seriously
considered
for
every
anything.
Besides
single-family
development,
incidentally,
I
think
Zoning
for
metal
housing
would
would
also
be
appropriate.
I
support
growth
and
development,
but
there's
a
right
and
the
wrong
way
to
develop
this
land.
W
There's
a
lot
of
great
places
for
high
density,
Housing
close
to
public
transit
in
Bothell
Hall
Road
is
not
one
of
them.
We
literally
have
half
a
dozen
empty
lots
right
in
downtown
real
downtown
right
now,
waiting
to
be
developed
and
there's
another
half
dozen
Lots,
at
least
with
one
story,
dilapidated
buildings
that
could
also
really
benefit
from
Redevelopment.
W
W
Appreciate
the
the
thoughtful
questions
and
professionalism
of
the
council
and
I
apologize
if
I've
been
unable
to
match
that
professionalism.
This
is
very
personal
to
me.
This
directly
impacts
the
financial
investment
that
I've
struggled
for
more
than
a
decade
to
be
able
to
realize.
For
my
for
myself
and
my
family,
it
also
threatens
my
ability
to
provide
a
safe
Community
to
raise
my
raise.
My
family
in,
like
the
others
have
mentioned.
W
I,
have
every
expectation
and
hope
of
staying
in
Bothell
to
raise
my
entire
family
and
see
my
grandkids
come
to
visit
me.
I!
Don't
see
that
in
the
cards,
if
this
goes
through
I,
just
I
just
don't
see
any
way.
I
can
put
my
family
through
this,
so
I
urge
you
to
do
the
right
thing:
restore
public
trust
in
Bothell
and
its
institutions
by
quickly
rejecting
the
Carlson
Amendment.
Thank
you.
X
Up
all
right,
my
name
is
Nick
Tiffany
I
am
as
of
in
the
mail.
Officially
two
weeks
ago,
an
official
Bothell
resident
now
I've
been
working
here
for
four
years.
I
used
to
play
YMCA
basketball
back
when
the
Anderson
School
was
a
school
I
love
McMenamins,
but
you
know,
like
many
I,
think
it's
crazy
just
to
as
much
time
as
I
have
spent
coming
from
every
direction
into
this
city.
X
More
and
more
often,
all
you
see
are
towering
new
apartments
somewhere
is
tucked
in
a
new
Main
Street
behind
what
was
the
old
Main
Street
back
when
we'd
go
to
Alexis
across
from
the
furniture
store
when
everyone
was
out
walking
and
was
parking
up
plenty.
So
much
has
changed.
Obviously,
since
then,
and
I
think
that
the
the
project
from
the
Carlson's
is
just
a
poor
idea
has
too
many
before
we
have
noted,
Hall
Road
is
treacherous.
It's
dangerous,
anytime.
I
have
new
friends
coming
over
to
see
our
place.
It's
like!
X
Oh,
don't
go
up
there.
Google
Maps
will
tell
you
to
go
up
there,
but
please
do
not.
There's
an
insanely
sharp
turn
at
the
very
bottom.
It
seems
near
impossible
for
anyone
with
a
mid-sized
sedan
to
kind
of
sneak
around
someone
who's
coming
down.
At
that
moment
at
the
bottom
of
the
hill,
there
is
a
car
dealership
who
semi-frequently
has
18
wheelers
dropping
off
anywhere
from
10
to
15
cards.
That's
not
a
quick
process
in
that
Middle
Lane.
It's
already
hard
enough
to
kind
of
turn.
X
You
can
turn
right
out
there
pretty
easily,
but
if
you
wanted
to
get
into
downtown
Boston
from
Hall
Road
you're
going
to
be
waiting
for
a
while
and
then,
if
you
add
retail
spaces,
as
some
also
had
said
getting
deliveries
up,
there
seems
impractical.
We
just
had
our
freezing
ice
rain
where
even
ups
with
their
Chains
would
not
brave
going
up
or
down
Hall
Road.
X
You
know
they
made
the
decision
not
to
go
to
the
two
apartment
complexes
that
are
already
in
the
middle
of
Fall
Road
and
if
you
ever
drive
by
there,
you
will
see
cars,
no
doubt
parked
out
there,
either
from
employees
down
at
the
dealership
or
for
residents
who
probably
have
0.3
of
a
parking
space
for
themselves
in
those
apartments
already
and
so
I.
Just
think
it,
it
really
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense.
X
If
you
walk
it,
if
you
get
out
there
for
the
traffic,
it
will
cause
people
high
schoolers
come
down
Hall
Road
and
they
come
through
those
neighborhoods,
because
everyone's
going
down
cougar
way,
maybe
it'll
save
me
five
minutes.
We
get
increased
traffic
throughout
the
day
because
of
that
already,
and
then
you
add
construction
to
that.
I,
don't
see
how
that
works
out.
Well,
I,
don't
see
how
it
works
out
well
for
our
neighbors,
who
we
see
out
riding
bikes
playing
in
the
streets
playing
basketball.
X
All
sorts
of
stuff
I
feel
like
that
goes
away
when
all
of
this
comes
out
and
to
wrap
up
I'm
blanking
on
your
names
right
now,
I
apologize,
but
I
appreciate
that
you
are
here
in
person
showing
us
your
face.
Talking
about
your
project,
I
think
that
really
matters
in
this
day
and
age
as
well
and
I'm,
sorry
that
somehow
you
got
lumped
into
the
the
Carlson
project
discussion
as
soon
as
you
spoke,
I
was
like
I'm,
not
against
any
of
this
I'm
like
what
are
they?
Okay,
that's
three.
So
please
conclude.
Thank
you.
Y
Hi,
my
name
is
Corey
McDonald
I'm,
a
West
Hill
resident,
so
I
did
some
research
and
in
1953
Hall,
Road
and
92nd
Avenue
existed
already
and
they
serviced
just
30
homes
in
total.
Today,
with
the
addition
of
the
proposed
Carlson
complex
those
same
unchanged,
roads
16
feet
wide.
The
Hall
Road
is
16
feet
wide
narrow
at
the
it's
narrowest
and
92nd
is
20
feet
wide.
Those
same
roads
will
service
a
total
of
741
dwelling
units
by
bottle
code.
Y
These
wrote
These
Roads
only
classify
as
alleys,
and
they
have
a
maximum
service
capacity
of
40
units
bottle
standards,
section,
3-1,
States
transportation
and
pedestrian
system
improvements
or
reconstruction
will
be
required
as
a
condition
of
development
when
existing
roadway
conditions
are
not
the
current
standards
and
therefore
not
adequate
for
increased
proposed
use.
This
has
been
ignored
for
decades.
Y
How
else
have
we
gotten
to
this
situation?
For
this
requirement?
The
inadequate
infrastructure
of
the
West
Hill
Neighborhood
must
be
updated
to
service
the
industrial
additional
dwelling
units,
as
proposed
by
Carlson
182.
for
adequate
service,
Hall,
Road,
Northeast,
175th,
Street
and
92nd
Avenue
Northeast
must
all
be
fully
rebuilt
to
be
minor
arterial
roads.
Y
Next
I'd
also
like
to
talk
about
the
idea
that
Carlson
1982
is
affordable
housing.
These
units
are
these
these
200
square
feet
and
will
rent
for
1
125
dollars
per
month
without
parking.
You
have
to
pay
more
for
the
parking,
that's
five
dollars
and
43
cents
per
square
foot
per
month,
making
it
by
far
the
most
expensive
in
the
nation.
Y
Y
Y
The
document
the
Tahoe
document
proposes
these
the
these
amendments
for
the
Carlson
Andrews
Apartments,
although
I'm
not
too
sure
about
the
Jews
Apartments
I
haven't
looked
into
that
one
much,
but
these
amendments
are
Justified
for
the
sake
of
affordable
housing.
This
premise
is
utterly
false.
This
is
not
affordable.
Three
minutes,
please
bring
to
conclusion
two
more
sentences:
okay,.
Y
Z
Hi,
my
name
is
Jerry
Bika
I
live
directly
on
the
corner
of
175th
and
94th
Avenue
Northeast,
which
is
directly
and
back
a
gallon
and
Walla
Collins
at
17509
95th
Avenue,
the
people
on
the
corner
that
is
not
zoned
for
multi-family,
but
Zone
residential.
That's
trying
to
be
forced
into
this
issue.
I
live
right
in
back
of
them,
so
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you's
been
up
in
this
neighborhood,
and
these
people
have
spoke
so
eloquently
of
what
we.
What
what
that
neighborhood's
like
up
there
I
mean.
Z
There's
I've
lived
there
for
over
20
years,
and
it's
the
most
unique
tranquil
neighborhood.
It's
like
its
own
little
City.
Up
on
that
Hill
and
my
scenario
to
you.
If
you
haven't
been
up
there,
I
I
would
urge
you
to
go
up
there.
It
would
be
just
like
dropping
an
entire
city
right
in
the
middle
of
your
backyard,
an
entire
city
right
in
the
middle
of
your
backyard.
A
lot
of
these
issues
have
been
addressed.
Parking
stuff
like
that
there
there's
literally
no
parking,
so
our
streets
will
be
turned
in
the
parking
lots.
Z
Okay,
there's
a
lot
of
people
talked
about
Hall
Road,
one
thing
that
wasn't
brought
up
that
Mr,
Boyd
and
I
took
a
walk
down.
Hall
Road
today
that
no
one
even
mentioned
is
that
Hall
Road
can't
be
widened
because
there's
a
a
cliff,
it's
a
bank
there
and
and
the
guard
rails
is
already
eroding
the
guardrails
are
all
leaning
already
they're
they're
ready
to
fall
over,
so
there's
nowhere
to
go
with
the
road.
Z
If
you,
even
if
you
wanted
to
and
I
think
you
know,
with
due
respect
to
the
the
Carlson
and
the
Drew
project,
you
know
as
far
as
their
interest
in
the
neighborhood
I,
don't
think
they
got
an
interest
in
our
neighborhood.
They
don't
live
in
our
neighborhood
I.
Think
what
they're
trying
to
do
is
agreed
play
here,
trying
to
get
you
guys
to
amend
all
these
codes
and
zones,
so
they
can
put
this
monstrosity
there
and
justify
it
by
calling
it
affordable
housing.
Z
It's
not
going
to
be
affordable
housing.
As
this
gentleman
just
stated,
I
mean
we
had
to
examine
the
facts
here.
They
put.
They
put
out
a
proposal
to
you
to
get
all
these
amendments.
So
they
could
squeeze
18
little
apartments
in
that
that
huge
conglomeration
to
justify
it
where
if
they
got
182
units-
and
you
could-
you
could
say-
maybe
two
cars
for
each
unit,
so
you
could
double
that,
and
and
what
did
he
say,
the
parking
was
the
allotted
there.
Z
Where
are
all
those
cars
gonna
go,
my
God
people
really
I
I
would
urge
you
guys,
please
you
got
to
go
up
to
that
neighborhood
and
see
this
and
you
gotta
stop
this
project
and
you
can't
just
like
amend
rules
and
change
rules
in
the
middle
of
a
game
here,
so
to
appease
a
few
people
over
an
entire
neighborhood
and
Community.
It's
ridiculous!
AA
It's
been
a
Bothell
resident
for
about
two
years,
it's
great
to
see
all
of
these
residents
of
Bothell.
This
is
fantastic
to
come
to
a
city
meeting
like
this
and
see
all
those
folks
and
to
the
Commissioners.
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
also
thank
you
for
asking
your
questions.
Never
apologize
for
the
time
you're,
taking
with
questions.
It
is
your
job
to
ask
those
questions
so
keep
it
up.
AA
Hopefully,
Carlson
decides
to
do
that
too
soon,
I'm
compassionate
for
the
underserved
population
and
those
that
are
marginalized
and
those
that
need
affordable
housing,
I'm
also
for
increasing
population
density
to
drive
a
thriving
Bothell
community.
So
with
that
said,
I'd
like
to
hear
about
a
minimum
percentage
of
units
committed
for
intellectually
and
developmentally
developmentally
disabled,
as
well
as
requirements
to
keep
those
over
time.
AA
So
if
we
do
build
this
building
in
thorskin,
96th
I'd
like
to
know
how
many
of
what
percentage
of
that
building
will
be
for
idd
folks
over
time
and
how
that's
going
to
be
kept
a
traffic
study.
That's
got
to
be
completed.
Dorsken
96
is
not
easy
to
get
around
in
the
car.
I
live
right.
There,
I
didn't
get
the
notice
500
feet,
I
think
a
couple.
Others
said
that
as
well,
I
didn't
get
the
notice
either
there's
already
people
that
park
on
the
sidewalk
just
to
pick
up
their
kids
from
daycare.
AA
It's
wild
in
the
middle
of
the
day,
kids
running
across
the
street
parents
parking
the
Mercedes
right
there
on
the
sidewalk,
so
I
want
you
guys
to
know
that
that
has
to
be
part
of
a
traffic
study,
geotechnical
study
that
must
be
completed.
It
has
to
I,
if
there's
anything
with
landslides,
those
town
homes
that
are
affected
by
that
that
building
is
coming
straight
into
them
and
those
people
got
to
know
about
it.
AA
Setbacks
and
height
reductions,
I'm
an
absolute
no
for
that
until
we
have
some
real
data
and
further
I
don't
want
us
to
make
those
amendments.
If
they're
made
for
a
specific
project
for
the
entire
overlay,
we
should
do
this
by
a
case-by-case
basis,
so
that
we
can
bring
folks
back
and
allow
them
to
comment.
That's
it
thanks!
So
much.
AA
AB
Up
yeah,
my
name
is
I,
live
in
the
Talon
Ridge
I've
been
a
Seattle
resident
for
20
years
and
then
I
moved
to
bottle
about
three
years
ago.
We
don't
change
the
rules
in
the
middle
of
the
game.
That
is
what
this
city
and
the
City
Commissioner
is
trying
to
do.
We
cannot
fix
182
units
in
that
small
unit,
E5
page
for
another
house,
next
to
an
apartment,
I
will
know
I
paid
for
your
house
next
to
an
apartment
before
I
put
my
money
on
it.
AB
You
cannot
change
that
or
not
we
paid
for
those
units
for
those
houses,
and
now
you
want
to
put
an
apartment
in
it,
I'm
compassionate
about
affordable
housing,
but
that
is
not
affordable
housing.
The
question
was
asked
about
cars,
and
the
commissioner
response
was
per
city
code.
Is
one
unit
per
one
cup,
one
parking
car
parking
lot
for
a
car.
You
don't
want
to
change
that,
but
you
want
to
change
the
rules
to
increase
the
density
of
that
location.
So,
if
you're
going
to
change
the
rules,
let's
change
the
whole
thing.
AB
AC
It's
from
Jerry
Gary
Sherry.
We
moved
there
about
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
from
Mill
Creek
and
it's
the
friendliest
neighborhood
I've
lived
in
in
my
entire
life
that
the
little
you
know,
crosshatch
thing
and
I
see
the
Drews
on
one
side
and
the
Carlson's
on
the
other
side
makes
sense
right.
It's
a
long
line.
Add
one
add
one:
it's
completely
different:
I
walk,
Hall
Road
every
single
day
because
my
doctor
said
to
get
in
shape,
so
I
walked
down.
AC
I
walked
through
the
trails
walked
through
McMenamins,
walk
up
the
hill
walk
past
the
high
school
every
single
day
when
I
first
moved
here,
I
was
walking
up
Hall
Road
and
had
to
stop
like
every
five
steps
and
I
said
to
my
granddaughter
who's.
12.,
hey!
Let's
look
at
this
flower,
a
couple
more
steps,
look
there's
another
thing
to
look
at
she's,
a
grandma
I
know
what
you're
doing
you're,
taking
a
break.
AC
The
reason
that
it's
you
know
they
say
it's
walkable
to
Transit:
it's
not
walkable,
it's
a
very
difficult
walk.
Sorry,
I'm
really
nervous,
even
if
they
add
the
sidewalk,
where
they're
doing
the
development
you
get
to
the
steep,
steep,
steep
Hall
Road,
that's
very,
very,
very
narrow
and
there's
no
way
to
make
it
wider.
You
can't
fit
two
cars
passing
each
other
as
they
are
I
have
an
e-bike
I
ride,
my
e-bike
down
that
Hill
I
write
it
back
up.
AC
I
had
to
increase
my
e-bike
buy
another
one,
because
the
one
I
had
can't
make
it
up
the
hill.
If
you
get
seniors
in
the
affordable
housing,
they
will
not
be
able
to
walk
down
to
the
transit
okay
and
then
you
think:
how
are
they
going
to
get
their
groceries?
Well,
maybe
they
could
walk
to
QFC,
but
then
how
are
they
going
to
carry
them
up
to
Hall
Road,
so
they're
going
to
need
a
car?
Maybe
two
cars:
where
are
they
going
to
park
them
not
on
my
street
I
have
five
cars
on
my
street.
AC
Gary
has
three
cars
on
his
street?
There's
no
room
for
any
more
cars.
The
car
dealerships
at
the
bottom
park
in
front
of
the
Trailside
Apartments
when
I'm
walking,
I
see
them.
I
talk
to
them
as
they
walk
to
the
car
dealership,
because
there's
no
parking
for
them.
There
there's
no
way
to
make
that
road,
bigger.
AC
AD
AD
AE
Michelle
Hollywood
a
longtime
resident
of
Bothell
for
over
20
years.
Just
so
you
know,
my
filter
is
I.
Am
a
parent
of
a
young
person
with
disabilities
who
will
require
housing
and
I
would
very
much
like
that
to
be
in
an
inclusive,
integrated
Community
such
as
Bothell
I'm,
hoping
that
we're
going
to
grow
in
that
direction?
AE
And
my
filter,
I
guess
is,
you
know,
had
a
lot
of
work
with
advocacy
with
the
school
district
and
making
our
our
neighborhoods
our
our
places
of
Education.
Our
city
is
more
accessible,
both
educationally
and
just
in
everything
the
kids
do.
We
need
to
be
able
to
to
afford
to
live
here.
We
need
to
be
able
to
have
our
young
people
access
the
services
that
we
all
take
for
granted.
Okay.
So
this
is
an
issue.
This
is
a
human
rights
issue
as
well.
AE
Okay,
because
there's
been
so
much
disparity
between
people
with
disabilities
who
are
on
very
limited
incomes,
typically
and
the
rest
of
us.
So
when
I
hear
you
know,
when
I
hear
about
it,
a
housing
being
affordable
and
this
art
group
can
you
can
you
explain
to
me
what
this
Arts
group
is?
Maybe
we
can
get
back
to
that
in
a
second,
but
I
have
questions
about
that?
AE
How
we
Define
affordability,
because
the
people
that
I
know
with
disabilities
that
are
trying
to
access
housing
have
not
been
able
to
afford
to
live
in
Bothell.
Not
only
is
there
a
paucity
of
housing
they
can't
afford
what's
out
there
and
when
we
speak
to
the
number
of
units.
I
think
that's
a
key
issue.
We
need
to
look
at
I.
Don't
want
to
hear
Carlson
tossing
these
numbers
around
through
some
Arch
committee.
We
get
10
units
18
units
there
are
if
we
are
graduating.
AE
Okay,
North
Shore
school
district
has
about
15
percent
of
its
young
people
on
in
individual
education
plans.
That's
that's
reflective
of
our
community
people
living
with
disabilities
right
and
so
I
want
to
see
at
least
15
percent
of
every
housing
unit
that
goes
up
hot,
that
that
has
accessible
and
affordable.
You
know
housing
units
for
people
with
disabilities.
That
seems
reasonable
to
me.
AE
Then
we
talk
about
I
and
you
know
when
I,
when
I
look
at
the
Drew
family,
they
are
trustworthy
in
terms
of
getting
us
to
that
space
where
we
can
have
that
I
when
they
say
we're
going
to
have
affordable
units
here
and
we're
going
to
put
people
with
disabilities
in
them.
I
I
believe
that
I
know
this
family
and
I
know
there
that
they
can
make
that
happen,
where
density
housing
and
for
people
who
need
to
think
about
that
I'm.
AE
Thinking
about
you,
sir,
in
the
green
shirt,
because
we
need
to
have
as
we
grow
as
community
we're
making
babies
if
we
want
to
have
a
lesser
impact
and
present
and
protect
our
green
spaces,
we
have
to
go
denser.
We
can't
afford
to
have
these
sprawling
urban
areas
with
you
know:
five
bedroom
homes
on
huge
lands.
That's
for
that's
for
privilege,
and
that's
going
to
be
we're
going
to
have
to
look
as
Community
put
that
behind
us.
AE
AE
AF
Up
good
evening,
my
name
is
Jeff
Erickson,
just
making
some
comments
on
the
Carlson
proposal.
One
of
the
things
I
heard
Mr
Carlson
say
earlier
tonight
was
that
Bothell
was
putting
a
development
plan
in
motion
that
was
said
a
decade
ago.
One
of
the
things
in
that
initial
plan
10
years
ago
and
I'll
quote
from
the
land
use
document,
was
preserve
the
character
of
established
neighborhoods
and
protect
such
neighborhoods
from
intrusion
by
incompatible
uses.
AF
Infill
development
is
in
established.
Neighborhoods
should
be
sensitive
to
and
incorporate
to
the
maximum
extent
possible.
Those
features
which
impart
to
each
neighborhood
a
unique
identity
and
a
sense
of
coherence,
so
I
think
Bothell
had
a
vision.
A
decade
ago
we
defined
zoning.
We
define
density
for
a
reason,
there's
a
lot
of
thought
that
went
to
it
to
vary
from.
That
does
not
make
sense
for
this
project.
AF
If
I
look
at
this
area
that
is
served
between
Hall
Road
and
91st
Avenue
Northeast
to
the
West
that
area
of
houses
five
years
ago
was
about
120
to
150
homes.
In
the
last
five
years
that
has
doubled
with
the
Talon
Ridge
Development
and
some
of
the
other
developments
in
the
neighborhood
so
we're
at
about
250
units
roughly
in
that
area,
we're
now
looking
at
adding,
apparently
not
182
but
236
homes,
as
of
the
last
12
hours
in
that
area.
AF
So
now
we're
going
to
double
and
then
quadruple
that
area
in
the
last
four
years
does
that
make
sense.
It
does
not
I'm
not
opposed
to
more
housing,
and
again
we
have
limits
on
the
Zoning
for
this
area,
let
alone
the
lot
that
is
technically
not
part
of
the
downtown
transition
zone,
but
it's
trying
to
be
lumped
in
together
with
this
project.
AF
I
agree,
more
housing
is
but
to
what
point
we
have
limits
defined
for
what
more
housing
should
look
like
in
this
transition
zone
between
522
and
the
single-family
neighborhood
at
the
top
of
this
hill,
as
you
can
see,
maybe
half
of
those
120
original
residents
are
here
tonight.
You've
seen
many
residents,
who've
lived
here
a
long
time.
I've
been
here
for
about
nine
years
now,
you've
got
many
residents
who
plan
to
stay
here,
such
as
myself
for
a
lifetime
seeing
this
proposal
and
are
scared
they're.
AF
Looking
at
this
and
seeing
this
high
density
and
Retail
in
their
backyard
and
they're
suddenly
considering
maybe
I
should
move.
This
is
not
what
I
signed
up
for.
You
can
hear
the
fear
and
the
emotion
in
so
many
people
here
tonight
I
want
you
to
understand
that
so
I
ask
that
you
adhere
to
the
plan
that
we
have
set
forth
a
decade
ago.
As
the
city
of
Bothell.
AF
A
F
AG
Now
my
grandchildren
are
in
the
area
as
well
and
I'm
pleased
that
my
neighbors
have
vocalized
a
lot
of
the
concerns.
I
have
I,
specifically
speak
against
the
Carlson
project
and
I.
Ask
that
on
your
letterhead
on
your
PowerPoint
tonight
you
referenced
epics
service,
Safety,
Innovation
and
teamwork,
and
this
project
to
me
doesn't
serve
any
of
those.
It
doesn't
serve
what
the
charter
of
Bothell
was
established
by
and
it
doesn't
support
single-family
housing
in
the
area
as
it
is.
AG
My
neighbors
have
spoke
to
traffic
Hall,
Road
congestion,
overflow
parking,
that's
currently
on
on
Hall
Road,
because
of
lack
of
a
parking
at
the
apartments.
Hall
Road
was
established
as
a
Goat
Trail.
It
is
not
a
road
175th
Narrows
to
one
lane,
so
overflow
on
175th
is
Impractical
and
the
one
thing
that
has
not
been
vocalized
tonight
is
there
is
a
new
development
off
of
175th
that
one
at
93rd
that
is
being
put
in
and
that
will
add
additional
congestion
to
the
community
as
well.
AG
AG
F
AH
Again
we
have
asked
that
the
Planning
Commission
comes
up
and
along.
We
are
asking
the
city
council
to
come
up,
walk
along
those
roads
and
consider
not
just
the
cars
for
the
apartments,
but
the
cars
also
that
will
be
delivering
food
and
so
on
to
those
apart
to
those
apartments
that
we
now
have
learned
tonight
are
being
requested
to
236
units
for
construction
equipment.
AH
So
I
want
to
let
you
know
that
this
is
a
West
Hill
sub-area-wide
concern.
It
is
not
just
about
the
end
of
the
block.
We
are
concerned
about
capacity
planning
across
the
area
regarding
School
attendance,
emergency
vehicle
access,
what
this
means
in
regards
to
Public
Safety
requirements
and
Staffing
and
sorry
it's.
The
last
thing
you
wanted
to
say:
I
didn't
hear
you
sorry
we're
having
a
conversation.
AI
AH
AH
This
doesn't
lead
to
equity
and
I,
don't
think
it's
great
for
the
community
period,
because
it
doesn't
give
any
Fair
access
for
anyone
to
build
equity,
I,
don't
think
anyone
would
be,
but
would
object
to
something
that
really
aligned
to
the
promise
of
middle
housing,
and
at
this
point
we
have
to
wonder
if
that
promise
is
really
just
a
false
statement
to
build
to
build
giant
Apartments
that
aren't
houses
and
put
people
at
risk
for
never
ever
being
able
to
own
their
own
space.
That's
it.
AH
AI
AI
The
manner
in
which
we
do
that
is
of
critical
importance
as
well
to
support
these
these
affordable
housing
and
tug
on
the
heart
strings
and
put
focus
on
a
maybe
a
political
Hot.
Topic
is
frankly
inappropriate
here.
Others
have
done
a
much
better
job
than
me
of
pointing
out
how
false
that
statement
really
is.
These
are
not
affordable
units
they're,
simply
not
what
we're
left
with
then
is
well.
What
other
motivation
do
we
have
to
do
these
projects?
AI
The
risk
I
see
here
whether
it's
Carlson,
whether
it's
Drew
or
any
other
project,
is
this
can
serve
to
establish
a
dangerous
precedent
and
especially
if
variances
are
given
broadly
along
the
downtown
Corridor
and
GDC
that's
going
to
affect
many
other
Lots.
What
will
developers
think
then
so?
I
guess
everything's
fair
game
along
the
transition
zone?
Then
I
guess
we
can
build
massive
mega
block
structures
along
every
single
family
home.
AJ
Perfect
I
prepared
I
just
jumped
on
here,
but
I
am
currently
the
resident
at
17506.
95Th
Avenue,
Northeast
I
have
been
living
here
for
to
going
on
going
on
three
years
now
and
just
the
thought
of
having
this
high
density
housing
so
close
to
Hall
Road,
which
is
an
incredible
safety
hazard
in
and
of
itself.
The
way
that
it
is
right
now
is
pretty
appalling.
AJ
I've
had
to
call
the
police
on
multiple
occasions
where
the
parking
for
the
apartment
complex
down
the
street
was
under
construction
and
people
Park
along
that
Corridor
and
you're,
basically
on
a
one-way
with
a
blind
curve.
That's
straight
up
a
hill
in
the
dark
of
night,
and
it
becomes
an
incredibly
dangerous
situation,
especially
with
trees
hanging
over
and
so
I'm.
Just
that
is
a
huge
concern,
the
flow
of
traffic
through
the
neighborhood
and
how
that
will
impact
people
getting
to
work
people
getting
in
and
out
like.
AJ
We
don't
have
the
space
to
bring
in
any
more
traffic
or
people.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
some
sort
of
plan
to
address
Hall
Road.
If
this
is
all
going
to
pass,
but
I
see
that
as
a
as
a
major
problem,
other
problems
are
I
mean.
This
is
a
really.
This
might
not
be
important
to
others,
but
this
is
a
really
important
Wildlife
belt.
We
have
a
lot
of
deer
and
other
Wildlife
that
kind
of
transition
through
here,
so
that's
going
to
be
displacing
them
from
their
their
habitats.
AJ
A
AK
AK
I,
don't
like
other
people
who
are
on
the
panel
or
who
have
spoken
before
living
here
for
20
years
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
factors
have
already
demonstrated
how
narrow
is
deepness.
I
know
to
share
two
stories
since
I
moved
here
since
the
summer
one
night
we
were
eating
dinner,
we're
a
couple
without
any
kids
and
then
suddenly
someone
knocked
our
door
and
I
was
like.
We
don't
have
any
friends
lived
nearby.
AK
We
don't
know
anyone
who
is
going
with
us
so
who's
that
who
are
they
so
we
opened
the
door
and
I
saw
a
group
of
kids
knock
our
door
and
asking
whether
we
have
kids
that
can
join
and
playing
on
the
street.
So
I
just
wondering
when
we
have
those
two
three
giant
buildings,
there's
a
lot
of
street
parking,
potentially
along
the
street,
who
will
be
feel
safe
to
like
their
kids
playing
on
the
streets.
AK
I
knocked
the
door
asking
whether
other
kids
want
to
join
them
play
on
the
street
without
any
concern
for
safety.
Second
things
or
stories
I
want
to
share
our
place
is
not
really
close
to
any
public
transportation.
Until
you
walk
down
whole
Road,
there
was
one
time
I
went
to
office
without
driving
and
I
took
the
public
transportation
522
along
the
istar522,
and
when
I
got
back
home
it
was
it
was
already
dark.
AK
AK
As
a
adult
female
I,
don't
know
when
we
have
more
traffic
there,
how
dangerous
that
would
be
for
pedestrian
to
walk
over
on
that
stupid
hole
without
any
public
sites.
There's
a
lot
of
facts
that
people
have
already
emphasized
house
even
narrow.
It
is
so
I.
Don't
want
to
repeat
that
again.
I
just
want
to
share
this
two
stories.
Imagine
yourself
as
a
parent,
would
you
like
your
kids
playing
on
the
street
without
any
conserved
safety?
AK
If
you
add
you
double
the
Marvel
residents
living
in
that
neighborhood,
imagine
yourself
going
back
home
without
any
lights
on
the
street.
On
that
steepest
road.
Would
you
feel
safe?
That's
all
I
want
to
share.
Please
consider
the
safety
of
current
residents
and
the
future
rather
than
if
this
resuming
code
going
to
pass.
Please
make
sure
that
everyone
is
living
a
liveable
and
a
safety
environment.
Thank
you.
F
A
AL
Proposal,
my
name
is
Haley
Reed
and
I
grew
up
in
Bothell.
I
always
knew
I
wanted
to
sorry
raise.
My
kids
here
and
I've
worked
really
hard
to
get
back
to
Bothell
and
we
live
up
on
right
on
95th
and,
as
many
have
said,
it's
just
such
a
wonderful
space
and
animals
are
active
and
vibrant
and
our
kids
play
outside
and
mallin
lives
down
the
street
and
I
just
envisioned
my
daughter
running
down
to
mullen's
house
and
I'm
just
scared
with
so
many
cars
and
just
the
change
in
the
area.
AL
We've
already
looked
at
new
housing
situations
and
so
I'm,
not
here
speaking
technically,
but
just
from
an
emotional
heart
standpoint
of
wanting
to
stay
in
Bothell
and
raise
my
child.
She
learned
to
ride
her
bike
on
95th
and
we're
really
nervous
about
the
parking
overflow
people
have
cars
and
that
would
directly
affect
our
road
there
and
the
safety
and
everything
so
sorry,
I
didn't
plan
on
coming
up,
but
I
just
had
an
emotional
Outburst.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you
for
your
comments
and
seeing
no
other
commenters
I
just
want
to
say
I've
been
on
the
commission
for
a
number
of
years.
This
is
the
most
people.
I've
ever
seen,
come
I
know
it's
takes
your
time
to
come
here.
We
appreciate
that
the
Commissioners
are
all
listening
to
what
you
have
to
say.
We
do
appreciate
that
and
it's
particularly
hard
to
get
up
and
stand
at
a
Podium
before
a
group.
So
thank
those
of
you
who
had
the
courage
to
do
that.
Your
comments
are
part
of
the
record
for
the
record.
A
This
is
a
study
session.
We
won't
be
voting
on
approving
or
disapproving
these
proposals
tonight.
That's
not
how
the
process
works.
This
is
an
information
gathering
stage
there
will
be.
Should
these
proposals
go
forward,
there
would
be
a
public
hearing
at
which
point
testimony
would
be
on
the
record
again
and
after
the
hearing
the
Planning
Commission
would
make
a
recommendation
again.
We
don't
prove
or
disapprove.
We
recommend
and
things
would
go
to
the
council.
So
that's
the
process
we
have
before
us
at
this
point
so
with
that.
A
Well,
in
the
public
comment,
and
since
we've
been
together
for
two
and
a
half
hours,
I
think
some
of
the
Commissioners,
including
the
chair,
would
like
to
take
a
brief
break
before
we
reconvene
I,
think
a
10-minute
break
and
then
we'll
come
back
a
staff
desk
for
feedback
on
a
couple
of
issues
we'll
provide
feedback
based
on
what
we've
heard
from
all
of
you
and
but
based
on
our
reading.
So
if
you
want
to
stick
around
for
that,
you're
welcome
if
you've
spoken
your
piece
and
wish
to
leave.
A
A
A
A
One
of
the
questions
which
has
been
raised
and
I'll
kind
of
direct
this
to
my
fellow
Commissioners
here
is
whether
we
feel
we
should
extend
the
study
session,
and
that
would
happen
again
next.
The
first
meeting
in
February
February,
4th
I,
believe
or
if
you
think
you
have
enough
information
to
wrap
it
up
now
and
Dave
does
have
a
number
of
issues
he
wants.
Excuse
me
feedback
on
and
given
our
hour,
we
want
to
consider
that
so
any
thoughts
from
the
Commissioners
about
continuing
tonight
or
continuing
in
February.
D
You
I
would
like
to
get
some
feedback
regarding
you
know
just
to
get
more
information
from
regarding
what
the
numbers
on
like
what
constitutes
affordable
housing
and
from
art,
and
then
we
had
talked
a
little
bit
more
about
how
they
plan
to
the
frontal
improvements
in
the
road
right
there.
They
were
going
to
give
us
some
more
information.
Do
I
have
that
right,
senior
Planner
on
how
Hall
will
be
changing.
C
Mr
kurd
I'd
Echo
support
for
getting
more
information,
particularly
I'm,
interested
in
knowing
what
restrictions
might
apply
to
the
Carlson
development
based
on
fire
access
and
existing
fire
access
code.
I
think
that
there
might
be
some
discrepancies
with
between
planning
and
fire,
so
I
want
to
just
get
enlightened
on
that.
A
little
bit.
L
Thank
you,
chair,
I
I
had
made
a
note
that
it'd
be
interesting
to
understand
the
engineering
of
Hall
Road
better.
What
would
be
proposed
the
20
feet
wide
the
sidewalk,
so
it
seems
like
there'd,
be
some
significant
safety
improvements.
That'd
be
required
to
make.
So
that's
that's
a
plus
despite
the
steepness,
but
there
would
probably
be
some
retaining
walls
and
some
heavy
engineering
and
some
heavy
costs
there.
J
Thank
you,
Sarah
Gustafson
here
I
would
also
encourage
Mr
Carlson
to
attend
in
person
if
possible.
I
think
there
would
be
a
lot
of
interest
in
hearing
from
him
directly
and
I
would
encourage
Mr
Carlson
to
tell
a
little
bit
about
his
story.
Why
Bothell,
why
this
place
and
I
would
think
that
the
responsibility
for
assembling
an
affordable
housing
profile
would
not
just
Fallen
Arch.
Perhaps
Mr
Carlson
could
do
a
profile
of
what
units
are
expected.
How
many?
How
many
at
which.
J
A
Other
commissioners
I
think
we've
heard
from
a
majority
of
the
commission
and
interest
in
continuing
the
study
session
and
getting
some
more
information.
The
Hall
Road
clearly
is
a
challenge
while
I
can't
say
I've
walked
it.
I
did
drive
it
more
than
once.
As
it's
been
has
been
on
our
agenda
and
it
is
a
challenge
I'll.
Just
it's
probably
an
understatement
and
I'm
a
civil
engineer.
So
I've
worked
on
roads
so
Dave.
Is
there
anything
you'd
like
from
us
tonight,
given
that
we
are
talking
about
continuing
the
study
session.
A
Section,
if
you
prefer,
do
you
have
them
Consolidated,
so
we
can
take
a
quick
look
somewhat
yeah.
All
right,
I
want
you
to
pull
that
up
for
us
to
look
at
and
while
you're
doing
that,
a
question
was
asked
about.
Arch
Arch
is
a
a
regional
Consortium
for
house
housing
Arch
and
they
work
in
a
number
of
jurisdictions
within
this
region.
Assisting
cities
and
planning,
affordable,
housing.
A
D
D
The
map
yeah
oops
there
Okay
so
now,
I
know
that
the
Orange
is
we're.
Looking
at
amending.
Can
you
tell
me
I,
don't
know
how
here
in
yellow
is
a
white
area?
Can
you
help
me
understand
what
the
what
the
difference
is
between
I
understand
that
the
whole
High
related
area
is
the
property?
What's
the
difference
in
zoning
between
the
orange
and
black
and
the
white
square.
B
B
B
B
AC
B
D
D
Yes,
and
so
we
would
be
expanding
into
a
white
and
yellow
zone
as
essentially
expanding
the
downtown
transition
area
yeah,
and
we
are
also
Okay
so
the
requirements
in
some
of
this
parcel,
the
yellow
heart,
are
different
from
one
another.
Is
that
is
that
correct?
They
don't
have
to
follow
the
same
zoning
regulations,
because
they're
marked
one's
marked
residential
and
one's
marked
as
part
of
the
downtown
transition
area.
D
B
D
D
A
I
I
would
ask
the
audience
to
please
refrain
from
commenting
at
this
point.
We
did
accept
public
comment
for
a
considerable
amount
of
time.
We
accepted
written
comment.
This
is
not
the
time
for
that.
This
is
the
time
for
the
commission
to
interact.
We
have
discussed
having
a
second
study
session
which
would
operate
under
the
same
rules
where
we
would
welcome
three-minute
feedback
from
individuals
at
that
point,
but
we've
concluded
the
public
comments
section
of
this
agenda
item
and
I'd.
Ask
you
to
respect
that
and
we
do
appreciate
the
comments
you've
given
us.
B
Sorry
I
don't
need
detailed
answers
here,
but
would
you
like
us
to
bring
back
more
information
about,
or
are
you
inclined
to
consider
modifications
to
retaining
wall
regulations,
particularly
for
inward
facing
ones
as
shown
on
the
on
the
on
the
right
here
and
and
would
you
be
inclined
to
make
that
a
city-wide
change,
or
only
something
that
would
be
conditional
with
a
voluntary
incentives?
So,
commissioner,
kurd
then,
commissioner
Robson.
L
J
K
A
L
I
have
waited
on
in
on
this
before
when
we
would
just
discuss
the
overlay
to
the
north
of
downtown
I
do
think
the
65
foot
minimum
offset
is
excessive.
If
you
look
at
a
a
view,
as
we
have
in
the
packet,
if
you're
looking
up
from
a
single
family,
home
or
even
a
like
a
three-story
apartment
or
something
it
could
probably
be
something
like
25
feet,
and
you
still
wouldn't
see
that
top
floor.
So
I
don't
know
how
it
ended
up
being
65.
That
was
before
my
time
in
the
Planning
Commission.
L
L
We
have
a
history
ever
since
the
post-war
of
just
using
land
and
I
know
basically
I
always
wasteful
way,
and
we
really
need
to
be
thinking
harder
about
how
we
use
precious
land.
It's
extremely
expensive,
now
to
buy
land
around
here
and
and
or
or
to
use
it,
and
so
we
really
have
to
be
conscious
of
of
how
we
use
it
and
25
feedback
is
it's
a
lot.
I
mean
15
is
still
quite
a
bit
a
lot
of
the
places
we
all
vacation,
whether
America
or
other
countries.
L
The
places
people
fall
in
love
with
the
buildings
come
right
up
to
the
property.
Edge
people
are
enchanted
by
those.
They
pay
a
lot
of
money
to
go
to
those
places.
So
I
think
we
could
be
a
little
less
scared
of
that,
so
I
would
I
would
be
proposed.
You
know,
15
is
plenty
25
a
lot,
it's
very
suburban
and
it
yeah
it's
in
the
spirit
of
we
have
land
to
waste
and
we
don't
have
land
to
waste
anymore.
So
I
just
want
to
say
that.
D
K
A
K
L
Commissioner
westerbeck
I
apologize,
commissioner
Jones
I
didn't
mean
to
try
and
snake
you
there.
Sometimes
I
need
to
look
at
Zoom
more,
no
I
completely.
Concur
in
my
experience
again
working
the
built
environment,
the
most
popular
places
in
a
lot
of
the
cities
and
suburbs
and
stuff
are
places
with
corner
stores.
I
was
in
Victoria
not
too
long
ago,
and
one
of
the
most
popular
neighborhoods
is
known
for
its
corner
stores
having
lots
of
corner
stores.
These
are
beloved,
neighborhoods
and
I'm,
absolutely
for
it.
L
B
A
And
that
next
meeting
would
be
February
1st,
that's
right,
so
all
who
are
interested
can
come
and
speak
again,
you're
not
limited
to
one
meeting.
Only
we
do
appreciate
the
time
you
take.
The
the
perspectives
are
useful
to
us
very,
very
educational.
So
again,
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
with
that
I
think
we'll
conclude
this
agenda
item
for
tonight
and
move
on
to
our
next
item.
A
This
is
sorry.
We've
closed
this
portion
of
the
meeting
we
can
chat.
You
know
you
can
certainly
talk
to
senior
planner
Boyd
when
you'd
like
on
the
way
out
you
you
can,
it
would
be
another
February
one
again
tentatively,
the
staff
will
put
out
we've.
We
have
some
questions
which
have
been
raised.
There's
been
some
new
information
provided.
A
Commissioners
have
expressed
a
desire
to
hear
more
during
a
study
session
before
moving
forward
to
the
point
where
we
would
be
prepared
to
make
a
recommendation
and
I
said
tentative,
because
I
don't
want
to
bind
staff.
It's
just
it's
not
my
job
to
set
the
staff
schedule,
so
we
would
expect
the
most
likely
February
1st
it
would
be
similar
public
announcements.
I.
Don't
know
that
there
would
be
another
round
of
postcards
I
again.
I
wouldn't
speak
to
the
notice
processes,
senior
planner.
B
No,
the
the
concept
with
the
postcard
was
to
give
folks
a
link
to
to
our
website
and
then
and
a
way
to
contact
us
if
they
want
to
be
parties
of
Records.
So
I
would
encourage
anybody
that
isn't
here
tonight,
that's
watching
on
on
TV
or
listens
to
the
recording
to
to.
Let
let
me
know
if
if
they
want
to
be
informed
of
future
meetings,
so.
A
So
people
who
check
the
box
on
the
sign
up
sheet
will
get
emailed
notice.
You
can
also
subscribe
to
get
Planning
Commission
agendas
and
city
council
agendas,
so
you
can
see
what's
coming
up
at
those
meetings
as
well
and
again,
participation
is
welcome.
This
was
a
uniquely
large
number
of
participants
for
us,
but
again
we
welcome
that
feedback.
That's
that's!
Why
we're
here
to
to
hear
what's
what
the
interests
are
so
again.
Thank
you.
A
B
A
Nothing
all
right
all
right
items
to
report
to
council.
It's
not
sort
of
in
that
vein,
but
Council
will
be
starting
their
first
study
session
on
the
middle
housing
January
17th.
We
did
approve
a
letter
regarding
that.
So
commissioner
Robson
has
graciously
agreed
to
read
that
into
the
record,
representing
an
opinion
that
the
commission
voted
on.
I
will
also
attend
that
first
study
session
and
they
may
ask
for
feedback
from
us.
A
A
One
commissioner
Augustus
in
a
second
all
in
favor,
adjourn
hi
hi
all
right.
The
night's
meeting
is
adjourned
at
906.
Our
next
meeting
is
January.
18Th
I
want
to
again
thank
all
of
those
who
attended,
particularly
those
who
stayed
to
The
Bitter
End
we've.
Given
the
open
public
meetings
act,
we
should
not
be
conducting
business
as
a
commission
after
the
meeting,
but
you
can
certainly
talk
to
individuals.
That's
appropriate
state
law
does
govern
open
public
meetings.