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From YouTube: Bothell Planning Commission Meeting - January 18, 2023
Description
0:03:30 - Public Comments
0:07:50 - Approval of Minutes
0:08:35 - New Business
0:08:40 - Study Session: 2023 Planning Work Plan and Docket Review
1:37:10 - Unfinished Business
1:52:35 - Reports from Staff
1:52:50 - Reports from Members
1:53:00 - Items to Report to Council
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A
A
Before
we
move
on
to
agenda
items,
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
our
hybrid
meeting
format,
City
Bothell
is
providing
the
option
to
attend
this
meeting,
either
in
person
or
remotely
via
Zoom,
for
those
not
participating
for
those
participating
via
Zoom.
The
chat
and
question
functions
are
not
available
to
ensure
compliance
with
the
open
public
meetings.
Act.
We
have
a
public
comment
agenda
item
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
This
time
is
for
comments
on
issues
not
on
tonight's
agenda.
Please
limit
these
comments
to
three
minutes.
A
Public
comment
and
hearing
testimony
will
be
allowed
both
in
person
and
Via
Zoom.
Those
wishing
to
comment
via
Zoom
were
asked
to
submit
an
online
comment
form
by
3
pm
today.
People
wishing
to
submit
written
comments
were
also
asked
to
submit
those
comments
by
3
pm.
Email
was
encouraged
as
well
and
will
be
acknowledged.
Those
in
attendance
may
also
make
comments
and
have
been
asked
to
indicate
their
desire
to
comment
on
sign-in
sheets.
A
A
A
call-in
number
was
provided
on
the
meeting
agenda
for
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
call
in
by
phone
and
listen
live
to
the
meeting
for
our
phone
and
callers
during
staff.
Presentations
staff
will
make
every
effort
to
specify
which
materials
they
are
referencing
so
that
everyone
may
follow
along
at
this
point,
we'll
take
a
moment
to
acknowledge
the
attendance
of
the
commissioners
and
by
position
number
commissioner
Jones
here,
commissioner
westerbeck
here,
commissioner
occurred
here.
C
A
Lastly,
before
I
begin
I'd
like
to
reiterate
some
meeting
guidelines
for
all
meeting
attendees,
please
speak
clearly
and
pause,
frequently
state
your
name
each
time
before
speaking,
mute
your
microphone
when
not
speaking,
if
you
are
also
streaming
the
live,
video
feed.
Please
turn
the
sound
off
as
there
is
a
delay
for
Commissioners
at
specific
breaks
in
the
presentation.
I'll
be
calling
on
members
who
wish
to
speak
or
ask
a
question
if
you
want
to
speak,
please
indicate
this
by
raising
your
hand
and
I
will
call
on
you
as
I
see
you.
A
A
First
item
on
tonight's
agenda
is
public
comments.
The
city
has
accepted
public
visitor
comment
in
writing,
as
well
as
accepted
sign
up
sheets
for
those
who
wish
to
speak
at
tonight's
meeting.
Written
comments
submitted
to
staff
no
later
than
3
pm
today.
We're
also
forwarded
to
all
Commissioners
and
are
part
of
the
record.
This
time
is
for
items
not
on
tonight's
agenda.
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We
have
one
member
and
the
audience
that
would
like
to
speak
tonight
on
the
work
plan
and
docket.
There's
not
normally
public
comment
during
those
study
session
items,
but
if
the
commission
so
wishes
to
to
do
that
at
that
time
we
could
have
either
do
the
public
comment
now
or
during
the
study
session.
D
A
Okay,
well,
I
will
look
at
our
audience
member
and
if
it's
all
right
with
you,
we'll
wait
until
the
presentation.
If
you'd
like
to
speak
right
now
and
then
leave
you
can
do
that,
because
that
is
that's
fine.
If
you'd
like
to
make
your
statement
now
and
then
you
don't
have
to
listen
to
all
the
rest
of
it,
we
won't
be
offended.
E
Directions
right,
thank
you.
My
name
is
John
Fowler
I
am
the
managing
principal
of
dirt
Lord
and
security
gun
club
and
I'm.
Here
we
have
a
proposal
to
add
a
zoning
item
to
where
we're
at
not
change
it.
So
I'm
here
to
add
r2800
to
our
existing
op
and
l.
I
zoning
and
we
are
located
on
Woodenville
Drive,
which
is
also
known
as
Riverside
Drive.
We
are
at
the
it's.
The
address
is
one
two:
zero
five
four
Woodenville
Drive
Bothell
98012
and
also
known
as
11910
Woodenville
Drive
Woodenville
Washington.
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E
E
It
allows
us
better
use
of
the
property
under
the
shoreline
jurisdiction
and
the
setbacks
from
Woodenville
or
from
the
Sammamish
River,
and
therefore
we
find
it
and
I
didn't
know
we
needed
to
place
more
of
an
argumentative
agenda
to
the
zoning
requirements.
It
was
just
filling
out
the
application,
hoping
to
present
more
information
later
on.
Why
so,
hopefully,
I'm
correct
with
that
and
I.
Do
we
get
more
chances
to
present
our
master
plan,
but
I
just
wanted
to
get
on
paper
that
we
would
like
to
add
r2800.
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A
A
A
D
And
so
what
we're
going
to
show
you
tonight
is
a
five-year
work
plan,
a
work
plan
for
2023
and
then
also
docket
items
and
so
we're
creating
a
distinction
between
those
items
that
are
initiated
by
the
city
and
those
items
that
are
initiated
by
the
public
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
as
we
move
through
the
packet.
We've
also
included
some
items
in
that
packet
that
we're
happy
to
talk
about,
but
we
haven't
included
as
part
of
our
presentation.
D
D
So
with
that,
there
we
go
and
then
we'll
have
time
for
discussion.
So
as
a
reminder,
the
Planning
Commission
doesn't
necessarily
make
a
formal
recommendation
to
city
council,
but
we
do
want
to
hear
your
feedback
to
help
guide
what
we
present
to
city
council
and
also
they
often
want
to
hear
what
our
Planning
Commission
said.
So
we
want
to
hear
from
you
all,
so
we
can
make
sure
to
convey
that
to
them.
D
So
the
first
attachment
in
your
docket
is
our
five-year
work
plan
and
essentially
This
Is
Us
planning
to
plan,
and
so
what
we're
hoping
to
do
is
look
at
the
city
does
biennial
budgets
so
every
two
years
we
do
a
budget,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
create
is
a
work
plan
that
aligns
with
those
budgets.
So
each
time
the
budget
comes
up,
we
can
think
about
what
staff
do
we
need?
What
money
do
we
need
to
to
pay
for
Consultants?
D
What
are
the
things
we
are
legally
required
to
do
by
the
state
or
federal
government?
What
are
the
things
that
we
need
to
do
based
on
implementation
of
our
own
planning
efforts,
and
then
what
are
the
things
that
we
know
we
need
to
do
because
of
how
our
city
functions
or
who
our
city
wants
to
be,
and
so
the
other
thing
that
will
start
playing
into
this
once
we
get
past
the
next
biennial
budget
is
what
is
the
comp
plan
ordering
us
to
do
after
we've
adopted
it,
because
there
will
be
implementation
efforts
from
it.
D
Make
sure
that
we're
spending
our
time
wisely.
So
what
we've
included
in
the
packet
is
that
five-year
work
plan?
What
I've
tried
to
do
is
go
through
our
past
dockets
and
try
to
find
what
are
some
of
those
things
that
have
been
deferred.
When
do
we
think
those
should
be
done?
Try
to
prioritize
those
based
on
when
we
may
have
deadlines
when
we
may
have
funding
you
know.
D
A
D
D
A
D
Was
a
bad
planner
and
went
into
acronym
world,
so
Arch
is
a
regional
Coalition
for
housing.
It's
a
group
of
cities
on
the
east
side
that
pool
their
resources
together
to
essentially
kind
of
create
a
housing
department
for
a
lot
of
us,
smaller
cities
that
maybe
don't
have
the
Staffing
or
resources,
and
they
provide
us
a
lot
of
opportunities
to
collaborate
with
adjacent
cities.
They
have
folks
on
staff
that
can
do
additional
analysis
for
us.
A
lot
of
the
things
that
Dave
Boyd's
working
on
he'll,
say:
I've
been
working
with
Arch
on
this.
D
Well,
they
have
folks
that
can
help
us
with
that
analysis
and
essentially
work
as
an
extension
of
our
staff.
They
also
have
some
funding
mechanisms
that
are
available
to
different
cities
on
the
east
side
and
so
sometimes
they're
able
to
provide
some
of
that
Gap
funding
for
different
housing
projects,
and
so
those
X's
shown
as
its
kind
of
ongoing
work.
We
always
have
meetings
with
them.
There's
always
things
coming
up.
D
Happy
is
a
grant.
That's
coming
up,
that
is
housing,
action
plan
implementation,
so
I
believe
Dave
Boyd
has
talked
about
this
a
little
bit.
I
think
we
we
sent
you
this
summer,
this
application,
but
it
was
showing
the
work
we'll
be
doing
from
additional
Community
engagement
around
middle
housing,
racially
disparate
impact,
work,
which
is
required
to
be
completed
with
our
next
comprehensive
plan,
Amendment,
comprehensive
plan,
amendments
related
to
Middle
housing
and
then
a
market
analysis
of
middle
housing.
So
looking
at
what
are
the
impacts?
D
D
Moving
down
to
the
next
acronym
is
k4c,
which
is
the
king,
County
cities,
climate
change,
I,
think
I
put
too
many
C's
in
there.
King
County
climate
change,
Coalition
I
think
that's
four
C's
k4c.
Essentially
it's
a
group
of
cities
in
King
County
that
pull
again
pool
resources
to
look
at
effective
ways
that
we
can
have
impacts
on
climate
change.
They've
done
some
being
a
part
of
them
has
been
actually
really
great.
D
We've
gotten
some
work
done
on
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
other
tools
and
measurements
that
they've
used
that
we
as
a
city
alone,
probably
wouldn't,
have
been
able
to
do,
and
they
did
King
and
Snohomish
County.
So
that's
awesome
to
have
that
moving
into
the
comp
plan,
and
so
Kirsten
has
been
attending
those
meetings
and
gives
us
a
chance
to
hear
what
our
other
communities
are
doing
and
and
collaborate
with
them.
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D
D
Maybe,
commissioner,
Jones
may
be
the
only
person
who
doesn't
know
this,
but
we
had
departures
in
the
department
that
delayed
some
projects
from
last
year
and
so
I
think
there's
a
combination
of
things
where
we're
still
wrapping
up
2022
work
and
we'll
talk
about
it,
a
little
bit
too
in
the
next
slide.
So
our
main
goals
are
to
complete
our
2022
work,
to
make
substantial
progress
on
the
2024,
comprehensive,
Plan
update
and
then
to
meet
Grant
deadlines.
D
So
the
fun
thing
about
a
lot
of
our
Department
of
Commerce
grants
is
that
we
are
when
we
accept
those
we
are
suddenly
on
the
department
of
commerce's
fiscal
year
and
that
ends
of
June
of
this
year.
So
they've
been
gracious
with
a
lot
of
money
but
they're
very
tied
to
the
state's
budget
cycle,
which
then
means
we
have
to
have
a
lot
of
work
done
by
June
of
this
year.
So
there
are
some
trade-offs
of
of
we
get
to
work
a
little
faster
to
get
some
of
that
work
done.
D
So
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
about
some
of
our
incomplete
work
from
2022
and
as
we
reflected
on
that
docket
and
not
just
I,
think
Staffing
changes
were
a
big
part
of
it,
but
realizing
that
seven
code
amendments
in
one
year
we
were
talking
about
it.
This
morning
we
felt
this
picture
was
appropriate.
It's
like
the
conveyor
line
of
we
just
it's.
You
know
we
get
through
Planning
Commission
and
then
we
get
to
council
and
so
we've
gotten.
D
D
D
So
our
preservation
consultant,
who
we
had
for
a
very
long
time,
was
only
employed
with
us
for
10
hours
a
week
and
she
was
offered
full-time
employment
and,
of
course,
she
took
it
and
so
we're
working
on
getting
a
new
consultant
on
board
and
have
put
out
an
RFQ
which
is
a
request
for
qualifications,
and
so
we're
hoping
to
get
someone
on
board
and
get
that
work
started
back
up.
And
then
just
another
update
on
telling
bothell's
full
story
is
that
we
want
to
so
one
thing
our
comp
plan
does.
D
Is
it
doesn't
really
tell
you
when
you
open
it
up?
Who
Bothell
is
where
we
came
from?
What
what
why
we
exist,
and
so
we're
thinking
about
using
telling
bothell's
full
story
is
almost
like
an
intro
to
our
comprehensive
plans
so
that
it
doesn't
just
jump
into
here's
our
values
and
now
we're
talking
about
annexation.
But
it
tells
you
a
little
bit
about
Bothell
and
and
why
we're
important
and
where
we
came
from,
and
so
we
think
this
is
a
really
good
opportunity
to
not
just
complete
the
project
but
give
it
a
place
to
live.
D
D
We
are
planning
on
giving
you
all
an
intro
to
the
comp
plan
on
February
1st,
so
Kirsten
is
working
on
pulling
together
a
presentation
for
you
all
to
set
the
stage
for
the
comp
plan,
but
we
did
want
to
talk
tonight
a
little
bit
about
what
goes
into
the
comp
plan
and
the
great
thing
about
the
comp
plan
is,
it
literally
covers
everything.
It
is
very
comprehensive,
so
everyone's
interests
should
be
should
be
peaked
in
some
way,
but
we
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
are
our
overall
plan
goals.
D
So,
of
course
we
have
like
we
have
to
do
a
comp
plan,
but
just
because
we
have
to
do
it,
we
can
make
it
fun
and
we
can
make
it
worthwhile,
and
so
we
need
to
meet
our
growth
management
act
goals.
We
need
to
accommodate
our
growth
allocations,
but
I
think
some
of
the
things
we've
heard
from
you
all.
We've
heard
from
the
community
we've
heard
from
councils.
We
really
do
want
to
have
some
robust,
Community
engagement
and
so
we're
looking
at
ways.
We
can
meet
the
community
where
they
are.
D
D
Contract
of
comp
plan
so
we'll
have
a
transportation,
contract
and
kind
of
the
everything
else
contract
and
so
he's
working
on
Steve
morakawa
and
his
team
are
working
on
what
our
new
multimodal
level
of
service
looks
like,
which
I
think
will
be
really
exciting
for
our
comp
plan
effort
we're
also
looking
at
incorporating
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion.
We
want
the
document
to
be
more
user-friendly,
great
things
in
our
comp
plan,
not
necessarily
the
most
inviting
document,
and
so
looking
at
ways.
D
D
We
say
Elementor
goals
because
we've
looked
at
it
two
ways:
we
can
have
a
comp
plan
element
that
just
focuses
on
climate
change,
but
I
think
we
also
recognize
that
each
element
has
its
own
contributions
to
climate
change,
and
so
we
could
kind
of
have
an
element,
that's
embedded
within
the
elements
and
so
I
think
as
we
continue
to
work
on
the
comp
plan.
That's
something
we'll
be
looking
at
is
what's
the
best
way
to
address
climate
change
through
this
effort,
and
then
we
also
want
to
add
some
level
of
an
implementation
element.
D
A
D
So
these
are
all
of
ours.
Like
I,
said:
there's,
there
should
be
something
for
everyone
in
the
comp
plan,
so
these
are
all
of
our
existing
elements.
Some
of
these
elements
are
required
by
the
growth
management
act.
Some
of
them
are
optional,
so
there's
also
some
flexibility
in
how
we
move
forward.
With
some
of
these
like
housing
and
Human
Services,
there
may
be
some
conversations
about.
Should
housing
and
Human
Services
be
one
element?
D
You
know
there
are
some
of
these
that
we
may
spend
more
time
on
and
some
less
time
on.
For
example,
the
shoreline
element
is
technically
our
Shoreline
master
program
and
it's
required
to
be
updated
in
2020,
eight
or
nine
or
somewhere
in
there
in
the
future,
and
so
do
we
want
to
put
that
much
effort
into
updating
it.
Now,
when
we'll
be
required
to
update
it
per
the
growth
management
act
in
in
a
few
years,
and
we
did
just
update
it
in
2019.
D
we're
also
looking
at
you
know,
I
think
the
the
thing
about
having
new
folks
come
in
is
we're
also
looking
at
some
of
our
programs
and
how
they've
been
operating
in
some
rooms
for
improvement,
and
so
how
can
we
make
our
historic
preservation
program
more
effective?
And
can
we
start
with
our
comp
plan
to
start
setting
the
stage
of
how
we
can
we
can
do
that?
D
Land
use
and
transportation
will
be
very
tied
together,
and
so,
as
we
update
our
multimodal
level
of
service
that
may
have
some
implications
on
our
land
use
element.
So
we'll
be
updating
each
of
these
elements.
It
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that's.
What's
in
there
today
goes
away,
it
may
look
a
little
bit
different.
Some
things
may
go
away
and
new
things
may
come
in
and
that's
the
great
part
about
this
periodic
update
is
the
last
time
we
did.
D
D
And
there
will
be
a
whole.
All
of
the
first
will
pretty
much
be
comp
plan,
so
you
can
let
it
marinate
and
Kirsten
will
be
here
to
help
out
middle
housing
implementation.
So
the
great
thing
about
Commerce
is
they've.
Given
us
lots
of
middle
housing
grants
the
confusing
part
of
that
is,
there's
like
four
of
them
and
they're
all
doing
kind
of
similar
but
different
things.
So
the
grant
that
comes
after
the
work
you
all
just
reviewed
is
the
middle
housing
implementation
Grant.
D
So
this
one
has
a
June
2024
due
date.
It's
it's
the
one
that
includes
the
public
engagement,
racial
equity
and
anti-displacement
Report
amendments
to
the
comprehensive
plan
related
to
Middle
housing
and
then
the
middle
housing
market
analysis.
And
then
the
one
thing
I
did
want
to
point
out
is
the
racial
equity
and
anti-displacement
report
is
not
just
for
racial
equity
and
anti-displacement
for
Middle
housing,
but
for
all
housing,
because
I
think
it's
it's.
You
know
what
we're
seeing
is
that
it's
not
just
because
middle
housing
hasn't
been
permitted
that
there's
disparity
in
housing.
D
It's
it's
tied
to
a
lot
of
different
housing
policies,
so
Dave
will
be
working
on
that
depending
on
what
happens
with
the
middle
housing
work
at
at
city
council.
Some
of
it
may
be
more
focused
on
like
implementation
tools
needed
for
developers,
or
it
may
end
up
being
more
about
having
Community
engagement
and
conversations
about
about
middle
housing
moving
forward.
D
So
we're
working
on
that
Grant,
the
transit
oriented
development
or
Toddy
Grant
so
downtown
when
it
was
approved,
had
a
we
had
to
do
an
environmental
impact
statement
or
Eis
that
Eis
we
used
it
to
create
a
planned
action,
ordinance
planned
action.
Ordinances
are
ways.
Cities
can
pre-review
the
environmental
impacts
of
proposed
development
in
certain
sub
areas.
D
If
we
don't
have
money
to
update
those
code
elements,
we
may
have
to
defer
that,
but
there's
also
some
other
work,
that's
being
done
in
our
economic
development
office.
That
may
need
to
be
better
coordinated
with
those
code
amendments
as
well.
So
that's
something
that
will
be
coming
to
you
all
for
review
the
planned
action
ordinance
and
then
finally,
we
have
some
miscellaneous
work.
D
We
have
a
development
services
fee
study,
so
this
will
really
be
mostly
on
our
current
planning
and
permitting
side
of
the
house.
But
we've
recognized
that
there
are
some
things
that
could
potentially
be
charged
for
in
our
long-range
group
that
we
aren't
charging
for,
maybe
quite
as
effectively
like
pretty
much
our
code.
Amendments
there's
really
no
fee
to
the
applicant
until
it's
put
on
the
docket,
and
so
there
is
work
that
staff
does
before
then
that
that
could
potentially
be
compensated
so
that
the
city
is
is
essentially
not
doing.
D
Work
for
free
there's.
Also.
We
haven't
necessarily
been
charging
for
some
of
our
historic
preservation
review
and
that's
fairly
costly
to
the
city
and
would
like
to
find
ways
to
make
sure
that,
if
someone's
looking
at
a
demo
permit
and
they're
going
to
landmarks
board
that
the
city
is
being
compensated
for
that
time
to
potentially
demolish
a
historic
resource
and
then
there's
also
the
Energy
Efficiency
block
grant
we'll
be
getting
a
small
amount
of
money
from
the
Department
of
energy
and
we're
actually
looking
at
how
what
are
some
of
the
things.
D
We
already
need
to
get
done
that
we
could
potentially
use
that
money
for
to
start.
Looking
at
there's
there's
a
list
of
different
things.
You
can
spend
that
on
from
different
infrastructure
improvements
to
different
studies
and
the
amount
of
money
we're
getting,
isn't
necessarily
life
changing,
but
we
think
we
might
be
able
to
do
something
pretty
cool
with
it.
D
D
G
D
F
So
you
answer
another
question:
they
we
had
to
have
something
kind
of
in
ongoing
or
or
in
in
process.
It
sounds
like
a
missing
middle
code
proposal
which
obviously
we
were
well
well
far
along
on,
but
other
cities
are
getting
this.
They
have
to
have
something
in
the
hopper
being
planned
to
get
that
it
sounds
like.
D
F
D
The
last
Grant
I
think
the
last
two
grants
were
just
for
those
drafts
because
they
knew
they
were
getting
really
close
to
everyone
having
to
be
done
in
June
2023
and
a
year
and
a
half
on
middle
housing.
Codes
for
some
cities
is
plenty
of
time
in
other
cities
is
like
a
drop
in
the
bucket
just
based
on
where
they
are
in
the
conversation.
Okay,.
H
Deputy
director
Winchell
I
just
wanted
to
First
congratulate
the
city
of
Bothell
planning
for
engaging
in
this
multi-year
effort.
I
think
it's
I
mean
it
certainly
helps
me
sort
of
think
ahead
in
terms
of
the
Horizon
I'm
sure
it
helps
the
public
as
well
so
yay
Kudos
I
was
wondering
how
the
historic
preservation
code
Amendment
work,
intersects
with
telling
bothell's
full
story.
I
noticed
on
one
of
the
grids.
H
One
is
listed
as
medium
priority
and
ones
listed
as
low
priority,
but
they're
both
scheduled
to
happen
around
the
same
time
and
it
it's
to
me
as
as
someone
who's
not
familiar
with
how
this
all
works.
It
seems
odd
to
amend
the
historic
preservation
code
Amendment
without
understanding
the
full
story,
particularly
in
terms
of
the
Dei
and
Justice
elements.
D
That's
why
they're
shown
as
separate
the
other
thing
that
we've
been
thinking
about
a
little
bit
in
historic
preservation
and
and
why
we've
put
low
time
priority
on
some
of
the
code.
Things
is,
we
think,
there's
some
opportunity
in
the
comp
plan
to
have
some
so
one
through
telling
full
story
we'd
like
to
start
thinking
too
about
being
more
focused
in
our
preservation
efforts
and
then
also
having
code
that
allows
us
to
to
be
more
focused.
Our
code
really
kind
of
requires
us
to
review
anything.
D
It's
really
given
us
the
opportunity
to
look
at
our
program
and
think
about.
Are
there
ways
where
we
can
have
more
teeth,
where
it
really
matters
and
places
where
we
can
reduce
the
staff
burden
on
what
we're
reviewing
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
It
may
be
a
really
long
kind
of
circle
around
preservation.
You.
H
D
G
D
We
definitely
could
use
more
capacity.
Thankfully,
the
Department
of
Commerce
grants
aren't
the
most
they're
not
by
any
means
like
a
Federal
grant.
If
anyone
has
worked
on
a
Federal
grant,
they're
awful
lots
of
reporting
lots
of
tracking,
usually
a
lot
more
money,
though
these
aren't
that
hard
to
track,
but
I
mean
ideally
more
support.
I
think
just
would
make
things
easier
and
we're
continuing
conversations
and
looking
at
our
budget
to
see
if
we
can
find
something
somewhere.
G
A
D
It
worked
really
well
with
her
life
at
the
time
and
so
we're
hoping
to
find
a
firm
that
has
a
little
bit
more
bandwidth
so
that
as
people
leave,
there's
still
someone
to
do
that
work.
Our
demolition
mitigation
guidelines
are
something
we'd
like
to
create
for
applicants
so
that
they
understand
better
what
they
need
to
submit
to
The
Landmark
preservation
board
so
that
they
know
what
would
be
accepted
mitigation.
Some
of
this
could
include
templates
for
signs
templates
for
different
things.
That
would
make
it
easier
for
applicants
to
get
through
that
process.
D
All
right
so
now
we're
moving
on
to
the
docket,
so
I'm
gonna
go
back
and
just
in
the
past
we
kind
of
called
Everything
the
docket,
and
so
what
we're
really
wanting
to
do
is
keep
the
docket
the
private
amendments
from
the
public,
and
essentially
this
is
a
three-step
process
per
our
code,
and
this
is
actually
established
by
state
law.
So
essentially,
we
have
to
have
a
date
by
which
we
receive
all
proposals.
D
So
once
it's
docketed
we'll
take
it
to
city
council
and
they'll.
Tell
us
how
they'd
like
us
to
move
forward
with
each
of
these
applications,
assuming
they
ask
us
to
move
forward
with
any
of
them.
We're
then
going
to
spend
some
time
doing
analysis
so
working
directly
with
the
applicant,
getting
their
materials
together,
finalizing
their
requests
and
then
doing
an
analysis
of
that
request.
D
Once
that
analysis
is
done,
we'd
be
bringing
it
to
Planning
Commission
for
a
recommendation
to
counsel
and
so
having
a
study
session
or
study
sessions.
With
you
all
to
talk
about
the
proposal,
the
merits
of
The
Proposal,
but
staff
has
analyzed
and
recommends
and
then
giving
Planning
Commission
that
ability
to
make
a
final
recommendation
to
council
and
then
it
would
go
to
council
for
final
decision.
So
essentially
it's
a
three-step
process.
D
Technically,
ideally
we
complete
it
in
a
year.
Things
happen
as
long
as
we've
made
substantial
progress.
We're
allowed
to
move
it
to
the
next
year
and
technically
we
can
have
two
in
that
year.
They
just
have
to
be
different
years
so
like
this
year,
we
will
do
a
22
and
we
may
also
do
a
23,
but
because
22
started
in
22,
we
can
approve
two
in
that
year.
It's
kind
of
confusing,
but
it's
it's
allowed
in
that
way.
D
D
We
done
an
initial
analysis
so
to
the
east.
This
land
is
all
industrial
uses
in
the
city
of
Woodenville.
Immediately
adjacent
to
the
east
is
a
piece
of
land
owned
by
King
County
Parks,
the
land
to
the
South
is
owned
by
the
city
of
Woodenville.
So
there's
no
direct
direct
access
to
Woodenville
drive.
It
actually
is
through
the
adjacent
property
to
the
West.
D
The
applicant
has
stated
that
the
shoreline
requirements
make
the
make
the
site
difficult
to
develop.
We
haven't
done
in
this
a
analysis
at
this
point
of
what
the
requirements
would
be
today
versus
the
different
zoning.
But
as
we
look
at
this
and
look
at
the
merits
of
the
site,
whether
it's
Unique
compared
to
the
adjacent
area,
staff
hasn't
necessarily
found
a
reason
why
the
site
warrants
a
rezone.
D
D
Believe
it
used
to
be
railroad
right
of
way.
Okay
and
I.
Guess
is
that
when
it
was
vacated,
it
was
vacated
to
the
city
of
Woodinville
I,
don't
know
if
that's
like
a
pre-annexation
thing
or
why
they
own
it
or
but
it
is
theirs,
and
so
if
they
wanted
direct
access
to
that
road,
they
would
have
to
get
permission
from
the
city
of
Woodenville
and
I'm,
making
assumptions
about
why
they
own
it,
but
all
I
can
think
is
Rails
to
Trails.
A
D
D
F
Only
if
you're
down,
okay,
patient
or
Western
back
here,
I
I,
remember
this,
because
I
was
on
landmarks
board
and
the
dirt
Lord
did
the
the
security
gun,
club
and
stuff
and
I
can't
tell
on
here
I
mean
this
is
adjacent
to
that
property.
You
already
owned
that
business
he
owns,
and
so
it
sounds
like
you
said,
the
access
is
only
across
the
Woodenville
land,
so
this
doesn't
touch
I
can't
tell
from
this.
This
hasn't
touch
his
his
security
Gun
Club.
He
couldn't
do
access
through
his
own
property.
D
He
would
have
to
do
access
through
his
own
property,
okay,
to
get
there
so
we'd
be
looking
at
access
for
the
town
homes
if
he
can't
get
access
through
the
Woodenville
property
through
his
existing
property,
which
also
may
be
somewhat
problematic
for
Access
requirements.
We
haven't
taken
this
to
fire.
That's
part
of
the
analysis.
We.
C
F
Yeah,
the
RAC
or
something
might
be
great
because
that's
allows
such
a
good
mix
up
in
Roaring
Canyon
Park
in
North
Creek.
So
it
might
be
something
to
consider
because
I
hate
again
I
hate
to
turn
people
away
who
are
who
want
to
build
housing
of
any
kind?
And
you
know
it's
probably
for-profit
and
whatever.
C
B
A
G
Also,
it's
located
on
the
cut
what
we
would
call
The,
Cut,
Bank
side
of
the
river
right.
So
a
lot
of
energy
coming
down
the
river
from
the
right
side
of
the
screen
to
the
left
is
kind
of
pointed
directly
at
the
site
and
so
I'm
wondering
about
kind
of
the
usability
of
this
property
for
residential
purposes.
Without
a
significant
improvements
and
protections
for
erosion.
D
Yeah
and
so
that
that
would
be
a
part
of
the
land
use
entitlements
process,
so
I
think
the
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind
as
we
look
at
rezoning
properties,
is
that
sometimes
what
the
developer
shows
us
they're
going
to
do,
doesn't
necessarily
end
up
being
what's
done,
and
so
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
if
this
zoning
designation
is
put
in
place.
Anything
that's
permitted
in
that
zone.
D
Is
that
appropriate
for
this
site
and
and
that
usually
isn't
reviewed
until
it
gets
to
the
land,
use
entitlement
process,
and
so
I
think
that
that
is,
you
know
knowing
there
may
be
some
complications
based
on
just
the
shoreline
alone.
You
know,
maybe
more
developable
is
residential,
but
thinking
about
whether
that
could
have
even
impacts
on
its
insurability
or
whether
you
know
in
in
extreme
weather
circumstances.
Are
these
Town
Homes
now
in
a
rough
spot,
and
so
a
lot
of
that
mitigation
would
happen
through
that
review,
but
that's
not
necessarily
something
we've
analyzed
yet.
D
We
were
recommending
that
it
be
declined,
but
if
city
council
so
wishes
that
we
would
prefer
it
be
done
through
the
comp
plan
just
because
of
Staffing
levels,
it's
something
that
could
be
done
as
a
part
of
the
land
use
analysis.
But
you
know,
probably
not
the
best
use
of
Staff
time
to
spend
probably
I
mean
I.
Think
we
spend
100
to
200
hours
on
these
and
there's
a
lot
of
other
priorities.
The
cities
presented.
D
A
A
D
D
They
are
extending
sewer
to
the
South,
so
there
will
actually
be
a
sewer
connection
at
the
cul-de-sac
of
fourth,
which
opens
up
opportunity
for
development
in
this
area
that
wasn't
there
before
that
being
said,
they're
they're,
requesting
a
rezone
from
r9600
to
r7200
they've,
also
requested
us
to
look
at
some
ways
that
we
could
potentially
allow
the
development
rights
on
these
encumbered
properties
to
be
transferred
to
another
property.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways.
We
could
do
that.
D
The
thing
we've
been
looking
at
is
over
the
years.
There
have
been
a
lot
of
deferred
amendments
requested
in
this
area,
we're
also
doing
the
Red
Barn
Village
sub-area
planning.
So
this
is
slightly
outside
of
those
boundaries,
but
very
close,
and
so
we
think
that
this
is
one
that
could
be
deferred
to
the
comp
plan
and
included
in
the
Red
Barn
Village
sub-area
planning
they've
requested
our
7200,
but
there
may
be
some
opportunities
for
other
zones
that
could
allow
some
clustering
attached
units.
D
There
may
be
some
ways
this
isn't
the
so
commissioner
westerbeck
probably
is
very
familiar
with
this.
There's
not
a
lot
of
great
land
left
a
lot
of
it's
encumbered
or
has
weird
slopes
or
just
really
interesting
things
going
on,
and
so
a
lot
of
this
encumbered
land
May.
They
have
the
opportunity
to
develop
100
units,
but
can't
because
we
can't
transfer
the
development
rights
to
another
area
of
the
site,
and
so
through
cluster
puds
or
development
agreements,
or
a
number
of
different
things
we
could
do.
D
We
could
potentially
have
more
development
potential
and
preserve
these
areas,
and
so
we
think
that
it's,
maybe
a
more
Global
look
in
the
comp
plan
at
ways
we
can
do
that
throughout
the
city
and
then
we
think
this
area,
the
zoning,
would
be
better
examined
as
the
overall
sub-area
planning
for
Red
Barn
Village,
not
just
this
site
alone,
and
so
looking
at
all
the
sites
they've
looked
at,
but
then
also
expanding.
What
this
looks
like
the
other
thing
staff
has
some
concerns
about,
is
we'd
like
to
have
in
place
something
about
larger
site
control.
D
It
would
be
really
nice
if
we
had
some
requirements
that
required
more
site
control
so
that
we
could
have
more
planned
developments
that
work
together
and
in
unison
and
so
I
think
we'd
really
like
to
look
at
this
area
and
some
get
some
controls
in
place
so
that
when
it
does
Redevelopment
when
it
does
redevelop
it's
more
thoughtful
and
cohesive
than
kind
of
some
of
the
piecemeal
development.
We
get
on
some
of
these
long
and
narrow
Lots.
D
So
we,
the
applicant,
is
aware
that
we're
they
actually
wanted
us
to
do
it
through
part
of
the
comp
plan.
But
we
wanted
them
to
apply
like
everyone
else,
so
I
think
they're
in
support
of
us
doing
it
through
the
comp
plan
and
again
I.
Think
having
it
in
the
comp
plan
gives
us
the
opportunity
too,
to
be
a
little
bit
more
in
the
driver's
seat
of
what
we'd
like
to
see
in
this
area.
A
D
D
How
can
we
protect
this
stream
and
also,
how
can
we
make
sure
that
development's
allowed
and
then
the
unique
thing
for
for
I?
Don't
know
if
everyone
on
the
planning
commission's
aware
of
this,
so
there
are
existing
planned
lots
of
record
there.
So
all
of
those
lots
can
legally
be
developed.
There's
something
called
a
reasonable
use.
Permit
that
allows
you
to
develop
essentially
a
single
family
home.
A
D
D
H
Deputy
director
I
have
a
question
about
timing.
How
does
how
does
the
middle
housing
Amendment
work
in
terms
of
this
particular
project?
Some
of
the
comprehensive
plan
amendments
that
you're
talking
about
and
I'm
asking
the
question
because
they
made
reference
to.
Maybe
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
to
allow
Cottage
housing
as
a
demonstration
project
and
I
am
curious
about
that,
since,
since
middle
housing
is
something
that
we
don't
have
in
the
city
of
Bothell,
is
there
a
benefit
to
to
a
demonstration
project?
And
how
could
how
could
we
have
one.
D
Yeah,
that's
a
really
good
question,
so
I
think
a
demonstration
project.
If
there
wasn't
code
in
place,
it
would
have
to
be
on
a
site
where
it
is
permitted
so
like
it
would
have
to
be
in
a
multi-family
zone
or
they
would
have
to
rezone
a
site
for
it
or
they
would
have
to
pass
maybe
a
portion
of
middle
housing
and
permit
just
the
cottage
housing
part
and
then
move
forward
with
the
project.
A
demonstration
project
would
probably
be
beyond
the
timeline
of
the
comp
plan.
D
To
be
honest,
because
the
time
it
takes
a
developer
to
find
the
site
line
up
the
financing
design,
the
site
go
through
land
use
entitlements
and
build
is
usually
like
a
I
mean
they're,
usually
with
us
for
two
years,
and
then
you
have
your
timeline
on
on
either
side
of
that.
So
you
know
I
think
I
think
we
could
do.
D
It
might
be
more
effective
to
do
demonstration
projects
more
as
like
examples
on
like
an
example
of
here's,
a
property,
here's
what
you
could
do
with
it,
and
maybe
some
renderings,
but
to
get
from
permitting
to
build,
would
probably
be
a
really
long
demonstration
and
so
the
and
then
just
the
comp
plan
is
required
to
be
adopted
by
December
of
2024.
So
if
there
are
any
code
amendments
with
the
comp
plan,
they
would
be,
and
just
by
December
of
2024.
G
G
I
think
that
there's
similar
benefit
and
so
I
I
think
that
there
would
probably
be
benefited
looking
at
the
bigger
neighborhood
picture
here
and
probably
some
appetite
on
commission
to
look
into
it
too
I
don't
know
about
Council
but
obviously
defer
to
them,
but
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
and
I.
Don't
know
if
just
denying
it
because
middle
housing
is
going
to
pass,
we
think
is
a
good
enough
reason.
G
I
Hi
Sarah
Gustafson
here
and
thank
you,
commissioner,
Jones
and
Kurt
for
raising
those
concerns.
I
have
a
similar
concern,
which
is
about
urgency.
We
are
not
guaranteed
that
the
missing
middle
amendments
will
pass
based
on
the
amount
of
opposition
that
is
already
being
seen
and
the
concerns
that
the
community
is
bringing
forward.
We
are
not
certain
that
if
the
comprehensive
plan.
I
Approval
some
of
the
things
that
we
are
proposing
here
might
not
get
into
that
comprehensive
plan.
Another
thing
to
consider
is
at
a
recession
might
be
coming
up.
So
if
we
delay
this
project,
the
Stars
might
not
align
for
the
developer
to
create
it
and
I
think,
given
the
amount
of
excitement
among
the
Planning
Commission
and
among
the
council
and
among
other
folks
in
the
community
who
have
said
that
they
would
love
to
see
Cottage
housing,
I'm
really
worried
about
leaving
this
to
the
Future.
F
So
I
have
to
divulge
that
I
advise
these
people
I
did
not
have
a
contract
with
them.
I
haven't
taken
a
single
dollar,
but
they
did
seek
me
out
two
years
ago
and
I
introduced
them
to
Karen
De
Lucas,
the
architect,
because
she's,
where
she
worked
with
Ross
Chapin
for
15
years
and
did
his
most
famous
projects.
Russ
is
like
the
preeminent
Cottage
housing
Guru
in
the
United
States
and
consults
all
over
the
all
of
the
world.
F
Actually,
but
anyway
and
I've
I've
been
to
the
site,
but
again
I
I
didn't
decide,
I
told
them.
I
could
not
be
the
architect
or
planner,
or
anything
like
that,
because
I'm
on
Planning
Commission
and
if
they
were
to
they,
they
came
to
me
because
they
wanted
to
to
do
something
other
than
than
two
million
dollar
houses
on
9,
600
square
foot,
lots
and
so
I
told
them
about
this
process.
So
I
set
them
down
this
road.
So
I
want
to
everyone
to
know
that.
F
But
this
is
not
my
work,
so
it's
good
to
see,
but
this
is
an
amazing
site.
It
just
screams
out
for
Cottages.
They
visited
Danielson,
Grove
and
Conover
Commons,
which
were
done
by
the
cottage
company
over
in
Redmond
and
Kirkland
about
20
years
ago
as
demonstration
projects
which
Karen
actually
designed
she
took
them
over
there
and
they
are
surrounded
by
big
single
family
lots
as
well,
and
people
are
clamoring
for
those
Cottages.
F
They
they
don't
even
sit
on
the
on
the
market
very
long,
because
people
want
them
so
badly
and
they've
been
bit
up
and
priced
multiple
times.
So
it's
it.
They
very
much
kind
of
those
projects
were
just
like
this
and
kind
of
stuck
in
the
middle
of
these.
You
know
single-family,
neighborhoods
and
again,
very
very
popular
and
there's
a
huge
sewer
line,
running
down
the
property
already
that
they
that
the
owner
put
in
that
what
could
accommodate
homes?
The
way
it's
zoned
right
now
or
Cottages?
F
So
that's
kind
of
beside
the
point,
but
the
infrastructure
is
in.
But
again
these
people
came
to
me
because
they
said
you
know:
we've
got
to
sell
the
land,
but
we
don't.
We
don't
want
to
contribute
to
more
two
million
dollar
houses
than
we
can
afford.
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
little
context
there
about
what
they
came
to
me
talking
about
and
why
they
wanted
some
coaching
and
it's
really
close
to
Transit.
F
D
A
A
I
Gustafson
here,
I
think
for
the
sake
of
argument.
I
will
move,
make
a
motion
that
we
consider
this
request
and
let's
see
what
the
pros
and
cons
are
on
the
floor,
because
I'm
definitely
feeling
that
sense
of
urgency
and
let's
have
a
chance
to
dig
more
into
those
legal
concerns
and
see
how
it
balances
out.
A
I
A
A
B
D
I
think
the
reality
would
be
that
anything
that
is
put
at
a
medium
or
low
priority
may
get
pushed
out.
So
like
housekeeping
amendments,
some
of
the
historic
preservation
code
amendments
and
then
some
of
the
things
that
we're
hoping
to
get
to
council
from
2022
might
be
a
little
strained
and
then
there's
a
probably
a
pretty
strong
reality
that
the
2023
amendments
would
still
not
potentially
make
it
to
council
till
2024.
B
D
G
I
I
strongly
identify
with
the
the
need
to
move
forward,
but
I'm
also
really
hesitant
to
start
poking.
The
legal
thresholds
of
spot
zoning
and
I
am
going
to
vote
no
on
this
with
the
intent
that
we
instead
recommended
be
brought
as
part
of
comp
plan
amendments.
But
I
do
that's
a
hard
thing
for
me
to
say,
because
I
this
site
is
kind
of
Ideal
and
it
has
the
protection
element
and
I
love.
Cottage
courts,
but
yeah
I'm
going
to
be
putting
out.
B
D
So
I
think,
if
it's
okay
for
me,
I,
think
there's
Amendment
or
proposal
a
which
I'll
call
the
Gustafson,
Amendment
or
proposal
was
to
take
this
up
in
the
2023
docket.
And
then
the
curd
amendment
is
to
take
this
up
in
the
2024
comprehensive
overall,
comprehensive
Plan
update.
So
one
it
is
a
the
Gustafson
is
a
separate
Standalone
proposal
for
review
similar
to
the
downtown.
D
We
have
to
really
make
a
case
for
why
the
zoning
should
be
different,
and
so
it's
hard
for
staff
to
come
up
with
a
compelling
reason,
because
we
have
to
look
at
it
kind
of
agnostic
of
a
proposal
in
hand.
We
have
to
look
at
it
as
the
site
has
unique
features
or
a
Transit
stop
or
something
special,
and
our
initial
analysis
did
not
lead
us
there
and
so
we'd
have
to,
from
a
planning
perspective,
take
a
more
Global
look
at.
Maybe
there
should
be
an
area-wide
range.
B
D
G
C
A
A
D
F
F
A
Let
me
ask
a
leading
question:
does
that
mean
you
second,
commissioner,
Kurds
motion
to
amend
Charles?
Second,
it
all
right!
Thank
you.
So
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
to
amend
the
underlying
motion
to
have
this.
Should
the
middle
housing
not
pass
through
Council
right
away
to
have
this
be
handled
through
the
comprehensive
plan?
Is
that
fairly
represent?
Okay?
Any
discussion
around
the
amendment?
I
Thank
you,
Sarah
Gustafson,
here
I,
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
logical
sense
and
I
really
appreciate
the
background
and
the
long
picture
view.
I
have
a
question
which
will
help
me
weigh
out
the
risks.
What
are
we
anticipating
as
Deepa
challenges
to
the
comprehensive
plan
or
the
missing
middle
amendments,
I
feel
like
they're
shielded.
D
So
there
are
some
shields
for
the
missing
middle
amendments
if
they
are
done
by
a
certain
date.
There's
a
new
legislative
session,
they're
proposing
some
things
very
similar
to
what
is
in
our
code,
and
so
there's
also
the
possibility
that
the
state
may
mandate
cities
to
do
what
we've
been
working
on,
which
means
we're
a
little
bit
further
that
those
may
include
I
think
the
proposal
included
some
additional
safeguards.
D
So
if
we
pass
it
by
I
think
it's
April
1st,
we
have
a
safeguard.
If
it
happens
later,
it's
you
know
we
we,
it
would
take
a
I
think,
a
challenge
with
growth
management
hearings
board.
You
know
it's
not
guaranteed.
It's
also
we're
not
safe
from
it.
The
comp
plan.
We
have
to
do
an
environmental
impact
statement.
D
We,
of
course,
are
never
safe
from
appeals
on
those
you
know,
I
think
the
other.
The
other
thing
through
all
of
this
is
through
Community
engagement
and
our
analysis,
and
all
that
you
know
the
zoning
whatever
zoning
is
proposed
will
have
some
level
of
community
engagement
put
into
it,
and
so
any
I
just
also
want
to
be
very
clear
that
anything
that
is
deferred
to
the
comp
plan
may
end
up
looking
a
little
bit
different
than
when
it
came
here
based
on
the
community
input
and
the
environmental
analysis
we
do.
A
C
D
H
D
That's
great
that
helps
me
yeah,
because
I
think.
If
Council
asked
us
to
move
forward
or
if
something
happened,
they
could
always
dismiss
or
decline
it
without
prejudice.
Their
code
does
have
something
about
applying
within
five
years,
but
I
do
believe
that
Council
has
the
ability
like
if
they
were
to
not
move
forward
with
it.
They
could
probably
add
something
to
do
it
without
prejudice.
A
H
A
A
D
This
is
a
very
familiar
one,
and
what
we
are
going
to
ask
Council
to
do
is
to
move
this
to
the
2023
code
amendments
and
we're
asking
them
to
do
this,
because
we
still
have
two
items
for
the
2022
that
cannot
be
approved
until
these
are
approved
and
I
think
the
amount
of
community
engagement
we're
getting
on
it
from
it.
Some
of
the
changes
we're
getting
from
the
applicants.
D
The
two
things
that
are
being
held
up
are
the
water
plan
and
the
bike
plan
both
are
very
important
and
we
need
to
make
comp
plan
amendments
to
recognize
those
being
adopted,
and
since
we
can
do
2022
and
2023
in
the
same
year
as
long
as
they're
different
years,
we
thought
it
made
a
lot
of
sense
to
continue
moving
forward
with
these,
but
to
move
them
to
another
year,
so
that
we
can
officially
pass
these
two
plans.
The
other
thing
we
wanted
to
communicate
tonight
on
the
Carlson
proposal.
D
D
D
We
are
going
to
pause
that
until
we
get
final,
okay
from
Council
and
then
also
talk
to
our
our
legal
staff
about
how
we
move
forward
with
these,
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
moving
them
forward
appropriately
and
then
that
will
allow
the
water
plan
and
the
bike
plan
our
comp
plan
amendments
for
them
to
go
in,
so
that
those
can
be
officially
official
plans,
which
is
very
important
for
those
efforts
there.
Any
questions
about
this
you'll
be
hearing
more
about
them
in
the
future,
but
not
on
the
first.
B
D
I'll
be
talking
with
senior
planner
Boyd
about
making
sure
to
let
our
party's
record
know
that
we
will
not
be
having
a
meeting
on
that
date,
sure
and
then,
because
their
party's
record,
they
also
get
notified
when
we
are
having
meetings,
and
so
whenever
this
is
brought
back
up,
we'll
talk
with
them,
but
we
also
need
to
talk
to
Carlson
about
their
if
they're
still
interested.
In
the
other
amendments
that
they've
requested
now,
knowing
that
a
major
part
of
their
site
is
potentially
not
right,.
D
I'm
not
sure
I'll
need
to
talk
to
to
Dave
just
to
see
what
they
are,
what
we've
communicated
with
them.
So
far,
unfortunately,
we've
had
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
and
a
lot
of
those
moving
pieces
have
been
Dave's
so
trying
to
to
just
keep
things
communicated
so
we'll
be
reaching
out
to
the
Drews.
If
we
haven't
already.
A
D
So
we
have
a
smaller
contract
with
our
consultant
and
we'll
be
getting
started
on
work
because,
two
years
to
do
a
comp
plan
still
not
enough,
but
we've
got
to
get
started
and
we'll
be
working.
Also
on
how
often
we
want
to
update
you
all
how
we'll
be
updating
Council
and
then
our
community
engagement.
I
D
So
what
we're
hoping
to
do
is
to
set
the
policy
in
place
for
tree
preservation,
tree
canopy,
moving
forward
through
the
comprehensive
plan
and
then
in
the
five-year
work
plan.
I
want
to
say
in
the
following
fiscal
year.
We
included
looking
at
tree
protection
regulations
and
Landscape
regulations.
So
we
were
looking
at
that
like
late
2024,
assuming
we're
in
the
comp
plan.
D
Adoption
process
and
someone's
time
is
freed
up,
so
we're
looking
at
that
2024
2025.,
so
we're
hoping
to
set
the
policy
and
the
overall,
you
know,
have
I
think
conversations
with
our
community
about
trees.
I
think
it'll
be
very
positive.
I've
not
heard
from
many
people
who
don't
like
them,
but
really
set
the
stage
for
what.
What
do
we
want
to
do
and
then
get
those
policies
in
place
as
an
implementation
effort
of
the
comp
plan.
J
I
G
I'll
make
a
quick
statement.
I
wanted
to
just
appreciate
you
for
putting
it
out
in
these
tables.
It's
really
clear
compared
to
what
we've
had
in
the
past
and
I
just
really
appreciate
the
transparency.
That's
going
on
here
and
I'm
excited
to
possibly
get
to
work
on
these
future
things.
My
term
does
expire
in
March,
but
I
did
reapply
so
FYI
thanks.
D
A
F
A
And
I
see
head
nodding
from
the
rest
of
the
commission,
so
you
can
take
that
as
positive
feedback
all
right.
So
with
that
we
would
move
on
to
our
next
agenda
item,
which
is
unfinished
business.
Do
we
have
perhaps
middle
housing
I'm,
not
sure
everyone
was
aware.
We
can
consider
that
unfinished
business
since
we
moved
it
forward.
It
was
heard
by
Council
last
night
in
the
first
study
session.
D
I,
oh
you
want
me
to
say
a
few
words
you
want
to
say:
okay,
I'll
say
a
few
words,
so
we
had
our
first
study
session
middle
housing
last
night.
We
really
just
wanted
to
outline
for
Council
the
process
so
far
and
then
give
them
a
glimpse
into
what
is
in
the
code.
Our
plan
for
the
next
session
is
so
we
plan
two
study
sessions
with
them.
D
The
plan
for
the
next
session
is
to
dig
a
little
bit
more
into
the
code
and
then
also
provide
some
responses
to
some
of
the
questions
we
heard
and
then
we'll
be
looking
for
Council
to
provide
us
additional
feedback
about
how
to
move
forward.
We
have
scheduled
tentatively
public
hearings
for
February
and
March,
and
so
you
know
we're
assuming
that
the
schedule
remains,
but
we'll
keep
you
all
updated.
A
D
B
You
in
regards
to
public
engagement,
planter
boy
in
one
of
his
emails,
sent
something
out
to
all
of
us
regarding,
as
he
included
some
amendments
requesting,
so
he
sent
out
a
lot
an
email
to
us
where
a
resident
near
the
Carlson
land
asked
us
to
come
to
their
home.
To
look
at
the
area
and
senior
planner
board
said,
keep
in
mind
that
we're
not
allowed
to
discuss
relevant
issues
with
residents.
If
there's
issues
being
considered
by
the
commission
can
can
you
clarify
that
for
me,
yeah.
D
So
this
is
something
we've
been
talking
to
with
our
legal
department.
There's
a
unique
there's,
something
unique
about
site-specific,
rezones
and
state
law
where
they
are
actually
quasi-judicial,
and
so
there's
a
few
things
just
to
keep
in
mind
as
you're
communicating
with
the
public
one
on
site-specific
rezones.
You
have
to
disclose
any
communication
that
you've
had
with
residents
outside
of
this
public
forum.
B
D
That's
a
great
distinction,
so
site
specific
is
definitely
one,
that's
very
like
closed
and
and
I
think
there's
a
big
difference
between
also
when
you
all
are
some
things
under
your
consideration
versus
something
is
now
moving
to
city,
council,
and
so
just
keeping
some
of
that
in
mind
too.
If
you
haven't,
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
this
is,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
leaning
into
a
territory
I
shouldn't,
but
if
you
haven't
made
a
recommendation
yet
sometimes
to
the
public.
D
If
you
are
are
speaking
to
them
about
something
and
being
positive
about
it,
they
may
view
it,
as
the
commission
has
already
made
up
their
mind
on
something
so
I
think
once
it's
passed
through
your
recommendation,
that's
one
piece,
but
before
you've
made
a
recommendation,
while
it's
your
decision
as
a
commissioner
just
some
of
that
fairness
from
the
public
of
of
whether
or
not
what
their
opinion
is,
you
know
if
they
came
to
a
public
meeting,
could
they
are
they
having
an
influencer?
Is
that
decision
already
made.
J
And
I
think
the
distinction
that
you
draw
is
really
important
to
think
about
in
the
context
of
the
Carlson
request,
because
what
made
that
site
specific
was
obviously
the
extension
of
that
downtown
transition
zone
for
that
corner
lot.
If
that
was
not
really
part
of
the
mix,
and
there
were
just
code
amendments
for
the
existing
Zone,
that
probably
would
not
have
been
the
case.
Similarly
with
Drew's,
that
was,
you
know,
extending
the
Zone
boundary.
So
that's
what
makes
those
sites
specific.
F
I
just
want
to
follow
on
to
Claire
sorry
Robson.
Every
guy
should
know
just
on
Robson
Street
in
Vancouver
the
other
day.
It's
yeah,
it
shouldn't
be
it.
My
brain
went
there
anyway,
so
just
to
clarify.
Once
we've
made
a
recommendation,
we're
basically
on
the
on
the
record
as
planning
Commissioners
saying
we
we
are
for
this
and
it's
okay
for
us
to
talk
about
it
as
well
as
residents
also
saying
yeah
we're
on
Planning
Commission.
F
A
D
Walking
and
someone
engages
you
on
it
and
you
tell
them
while
you're
out
there
I
think
you
can
always
tell
them.
You
know.
I
can't
have
too
much
outside
conversation
about
this,
but
here's
when
the
next
meeting
is
and
then
you
may
just
want
to
disclose.
If
you
know
sometimes
you
can't
stop
the
conversation
once
it
starts
rolling.
You
can
always
let
everyone
know
that
you
went
out
there.
Someone
talked
to
you.
While
it
was
helpful,
it's
not
going
to
necessarily
sway
your
decision
or
or
that
you're
just
being
open
about
it.
D
A
A
So
we're
still
on
unfinished
business.
I
guess,
I'll
add
a
couple
things.
Last
night,
I
was
there
for
the
whole
meeting.
Yeah
trees
were
raised
as
an
issue.
Public
Outreach
was
raised
as
an
issue
and
Council
also
at
least
one
and
perhaps
two
council
members
also
raise
a
question
of
the
amount
of
time
they
have
to
consider
this
matter,
pointing
to
the
fact
that
the
Planning
Commission
had
this
for
13
months.
A
G
We're
not
here
just
because
we're
we
like
night
meetings
at
City,
Hall
and
so
I
am
wondering
how-
and
this
is
a
bigger
kind
of
conceptual
thing
about
our
relationship
with
council
is
how
do
we
get
a
stronger
connection
with
Council?
How
what
are
ways
that
we
can
collaborate
more
or
not
even
collaborate,
but
just
in
the
interest
of
transparency,
have
Congress
open
up
conversations
and
I
know
that
during
the
pandemic
it
has
been
difficult
and
we
haven't
had
any
Council
liaison.
G
We
haven't
really
had
mixers
with
other
commissions
and
boards
and
Council
and
that's
been
difficult,
but
I
still
really
I
kind
of
miss
that
connection
and
I
feel
like
as
a
result,
we're
sort
of
being
siled
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
whether
those
counselors
are
council.
Members
are
being
actively
drawn
into
our
work
and
can
have
an
appreciation
for
all
the
deliberations
that
we're
actually
doing
week
and
week
out.
G
So
that's
probably
a
bigger
thing,
but
maybe
it's
an
item
to
report
to
council
or
maybe
get
an
update
from
you
know,
City
management
about
what
the
what
the
outcomes
of
those
that
study
that
we
all
or
some
of
us
took
surveys
on
commission
about
and-
and
you
know
what
the
plan
is
going
forward
about.
Forging
those
connections.
A
Well
predating
both
the
director
and
the
deputy
director
and
all
of
the
commission,
except
perhaps,
commissioner
kurd
there
was
a
time
when
there
was
a
council
liaison
a
council
member
designated
per
commission
and
quite
often
that
individual
was
sitting
out
there.
So
there
was
more
of
a
direct
line,
I
I,
guess,
I
would
and
I
know
that
some
council
members
watch
these
meetings,
perhaps
delayed,
perhaps
at
Double
speed.
A
But
if
there
is
a
I
guess,
I
would
convey
the
message
that
if
there's
a
frustration
about
a
lack
of
connection,
the
commission
I'll
speak
for
all
of
you
and
you
can
not
or
not.
Commission
is
anxious
to
to
address
that
and
would
like
to
have
a
stronger
tied
to
the
council
so
that
that
feeling
on
their
part,
is
not
there.
J
And
I
think
the
comprehensive
Plan
update
is
the
perfect
vehicle
to
have
this
conversation,
because
it's
policies
that
are
going
to
be
deliberated
at
both
these
venues
and
as
I,
engage
more
with
City
Council
Members
through
the
retreat
efforts
over
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
I
can
try
to
get
a
sense
of
what
some
platforms
could
be
for
that
deeper
engagement
and
that
can
communicate
that
concern.
If
you'd
like
me
to.
I
A
F
Westerbeck
I
I
want
to
Echo
commissioner
gustafson's
comments.
I
was
actually
struck
by
how
even
handed
commission
excuse
me.
Senior
planner
Boyd
was
last
night
in
the
some
really
challenging
questions.
As
you
said,
I
thought
he
represented
our
our
deliberations
and
our
process.
The
last
15
months
really
well,
while
answering
the
questions
from
the
council
very
clearly
and
thoroughly
so
I
was
just
super
impressed
and
known
senior
planner
Boyd
for
years,
and
that
was
one
of
those
finest
moments.
F
I
think
so,
and
thank
you,
commissioner
Gustafson
for
your
also
personal
resident
comments,
appreciate
that
very
much
and
commissioner
Robson
for
presenting
our
letter
so
eloquently
so,
and
commissioner
chair
for
chair
Kiernan
for
staying
the
entire
time.
I
watched
online
so
appreciate
you
being
there
and
for
representing
us
as
well.
Thanks.
A
A
F
F
A
Thank
you
and
and
we'd
welcome
any
comments
during
reports
from
members
for
those
who
are
tracking
more
closely
on
that
I
would
I'll
hook.
I
would
expect
the
commission
cannot.
We
cannot
weigh
in
on
or
we
should
not
weigh
in
on
issues
before
the
legislature
as
planning
Commissioners,
but
we
can,
as
individuals
is
that
a.
D
I
D
F
Sorry
to
bring
this
up
one
more
time,
he's
too
modest
to
say,
but
commissioner
Kurt
designed
the
missing
metal
walk
with
forbidden
houses
about
the
walk
that
has
been
held.
Was
it
three
times
now,
four
times
at
least
yeah
yeah,
and
it
was
a
perhaps
a
disclosure
thing.
It
was
our
organization
that
held
that
and
I'm
thrilled
that
the
city
is
taking
some
ownership
of
it.
F
F
I'll
I'll,
just
mention
I,
could
send
you
over
the
ones
I
mentioned
earlier
done
by
Ross,
Chapin
and
Karen
the
architect
in
here,
Danielson
Grove
and
Conover
Commons,
which
are
about
half
a
mile
or
a
mile,
apart
from
each
other
one's
in
Redmond
one's
in
Kirkland,
they're,
literally
just
right
off
the
line
over
line
from
each
other
they're,
both
done
about
20
years
ago.
They're,
amazing
examples.
You
have
to
get
permission
to
go
into
each
one,
but
you
can
also
kind
of
see
them
from
the
main.