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From YouTube: Bothell Planning Commission Meeting - May 17, 2023
Description
0:00:10 - Call to Order
0:03:35 - Public Comments
0:16:55 - Approval of Minutes: April 19, 2023
0:20:05 - New Business
0:20:15 - Public Hearing: Middle Housing Comprehensive Plan Amendments
1:28:55 - Unfinished Business
1:29:05 - Reports from Staff
1:31:30 - Reports from Members
1:31:40 - Items to Report to Council
A
A
A
As
a
reminder
to
those
tuning
in
Planning,
Commission
has
already
submitted
a
recommendation
to
council
about
middle
housing.
Municipal
Code
amendments,
depending
on
the
outcome
of
tonight's
discussion
and
motions
Planning
Commission,
may
decide
to
close
our
public
hearing
on
these
comprehensive
plan
amendments
this
evening,
hey.
Thank
you.
A
Before
we
move
on
to
the
agenda
items
tonight,
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
our
hybrid
meeting
format.
The
city
of
Bothell
is
providing
the
option
to
attend
this
meeting,
both
in
person
and
virtually
by
Zoom
for
those
on
Zoom.
Please
note
that
the
chat
and
Q
a
features
are
not
enabled
in
accordance
with
open
public
meetings.
Act
public
comment
and
hearing
testimony
will
be
allowed,
both
in
person
and
online
with
zoom
tonight.
Those
wishing
to
comment
via
Zoom
or
in
written
comments
were
asked
to
submit
an
online
form
by
3
pm.
A
Today,
email
was
encouraged
as
well
and
will
be
acknowledged.
Those
in
attendance
may
also
make
comments,
and
those
wishing
to
comment
were
asked
to
indicate
their
desire
to
comment
on
the
sign-in
sheets.
If
you
haven't
taken
the
opportunity
and
would
like
to
they're
over
there
by
the
door,
let's
see
the
Imagine
Bothell
notice,
the
city
website
and
tonight's
agenda
all
provided
information
to
the
public
on
how
to
provide
comments.
A
Tonight's
meeting
is
going
to
be
streamed,
live
as
well
as
recorded
and
available
for
later
viewing
on
the
city's
YouTube
channel.
A
call-in
number
was
provided
on
the
meeting
agenda
for
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
call
in
by
phone
and
listen
live
to
our
meeting
for
our
dial-in
callers
during
staff.
Presentations
staff
will
make
every
effort
to
specify
which
materials
they're
referencing
verbally
so
that
everyone
can
follow
along.
A
B
A
A
Dear
and
commissioner
Gustafson
here,
thank
you.
In
addition,
tonight
from
the
city,
we
have
Deputy
community
development,
director,
Ashley
Winchell,
Community
engagement,
specialist
Sarah,
Frost
senior,
strategic
planner,
Dave
Boyd
and
Deputy
Public
Works,
director
Steve
marakawa
in
attendance,
and
we
also
have
Jesse
London
from
otac.
A
Lastly,
before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
reiterate
some
meeting
guidelines
for
all
attendees,
please
speak
clearly
and
pause.
Frequently,
please
state
your
name
each
time
before
speaking
and
mute
your
microphone
when
not
speaking,
if
you're
also
streaming
the
live
feed.
Please
turn
off
the
sound
as
there
is
a
delay
for
Commissioners
at
specific
breaks
in
the
presentation.
A
The
first
item
on
tonight's
agenda
is
public
comment.
This
time
is
for
comments
about
issues
not
on
tonight's
agenda.
The
city
has
accepted
visitor
comment
and
writing
as
well
as
except
the
sign-in
sheets
for
those
who
wish
to
speak
at
tonight's
meeting.
Written
comments
which
were
submitted
to
staff
no
later
than
3
pm
today
were
forwarded
to
all
Commissioners
and
are
part
of
the
record.
In
summary,
we
received
four
written
comments
this
afternoon,
so
thank
you
to
those
who
provided
them.
One
was
asking
for
clarification
on
the
consistency
between
townhome
definitions.
A
A
Not
this
evening.
We
have
individuals
in
the
audience
who
may
like
to
make
public
comment.
Please
note:
the
city
of
Bothell
and
I
do
not
tolerate
verbal
harassment.
If
you've
signed
up
to
speak
I.
Welcome
you
to
step
up
to
the
podium
click
the
speaker
button
on
the
microphone
to
activate
it.
Identify
yourself
and
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
speak
and
tonight
we'll
be
using
the
technology
at
hand
to
help
you
frame
your
timing.
A
So
there
will
be
a
green
light
when
the
speaker
timing
is
on
and
then
it
will
flash
yellow
when
there's
10
seconds
left,
is
it
yeah
10
seconds
and
then
it
will
finally
show
red
when
your
time
is
up
and
I'll.
Ask
that
you
please
meet
your
microphone
afterwards.
So
thank
you
I'd
like
to
recognize
that
commissioner
Anders
has
joined
us
via
Zoom.
Welcome.
A
D
Don't
have
anyone
signed
up
at
this
time
to
speak
under
this
section
of
public
comment
if
anyone
in
the
zoom
audience
wishes
to
speak,
if
you
could
raise
your
hand,
I
can
give
you
I
can
give
you
permission
to
talk
all
right,
Mr
Swanson,
if
you'd
like
to
speak
on
matters
not
related
to
the
public
hearing
tonight.
Okay,
great
go
ahead.
E
E
That's
a
lot
of
shade,
and
it
concerns
me
that
living
in
here
close
to
48th
parallel
that
we're
not
doing
comprehensive,
shade
and
Shadow
studies,
at
least
none
that
I've
seen
maybe
they're
being
done,
but
comprehensive,
shade
and
Shadow
study
should
be
done
without
exception
to
see
what
the
effect
is
going
to
be
upon.
The
Neighbors
The
Gardens,
the
plants
I've
been
trying
to
keep
eroded
entering
alive
in
my
backyard
for
30
years,
I'm
telling
you
the
shade
and
Shadow
thing
is
serious:
it
will
change
the
animal
life
it'll
change
the
plant
life.
E
E
E
This
infill,
which
is
colloquially
known
as
underutilized
it's
over
utilized
it's
over
utilized
by
everything,
but
people
so
I
wish
there'd
be
a
little
Mercy
for
the
animals
that
have
been
here
for
thousands
of
years
and
don't
forget
about
the
salmon
dying
from
the
tire
dust
please
that
should
be
addressed.
Thank.
A
F
F
There
are
some
exceptions
if
you're
close
to
I
think
one
half
mile
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
sort
of
a
bit
of
a
logical
inconsistency
between
a
single
family
home
which
would
require
a
three
plus
one.
So
before
and
a
duplex,
which
is
required,
two
I
pray
that
middle
housing
will
will
not
be
hurt
by
what
I'm
saying
here
like
you,
don't
go
that
that
direction,
but
I
just
think
that
having
four
versus
two
is
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
off.
I
came
up
with
a
few
examples.
F
Kirkland
has
no
parking
requirements
from
one
edu
and
one
if
you
have
two
adus
with
exceptions
available
street
parking
within
600
feet
of
property
or
if
it's
within
a
half
mile
frequent
Transit,
King
County.
If
you're
in
the
county
county
has
no
parking
requirements
for
edu's
Snohomish
County,
they
mentioned
that
they
require
two
for
sfrs,
and
this
got
me
thinking
that
we
already
say
three
for
sfrs
in
single-family
homes
in
in
Bothell,
which
seems
to
be
a
bit
higher
than
the
what
is
probably
the
average
of
two.
F
So
even
if
we
were
to
say
know
for
at
least
one
edu,
we
still
have
three,
which
is
more
than
say,
Snohomish
County,
which
says
you
need
two
for
a
single
family
home
right.
So
yeah,
that's
that's
the
reason
you
you
end
up
with
double,
or
at
least
you
have
three
plus
one
and
then
I
had
I,
think
yeah
Kenmore
parking
for
Kenmore.
If
you
have
sorry,
I,
was
almost
ready
with
this
one.
F
We're
parking
yeah,
no,
no
parking
requirements
in
Kenmore,
either
so
Kenmore,
no
parking
requirements,
Kirkland
no
parking
requirements.
Unless
you
have
two
adus
and
the
they
allow
street
parking.
King
County
has
no
parking
requirements
at
all.
Snohomish
County
has
none
in
the
urban
Zone
and
if
you're
in
a
rural
zone
is
Snohomish
County
there
are
Park.
You
do
have
to
have
some
parking
requirements,
so
I'm
saying
that
this
is
especially
with
the
three
it
just.
F
G
G
A
H
H
I
I
H
H
I've
done
some
of
this
before
there
are
19
values
and
there
are
certain
conservation
and
environmental
values
which
are
listed.
As
you
well
know.
I'm
sure
among
these
are
respect
for
the
harmony
between
the
built
and
natural
environment,
conservation
of
Natural,
Resources,
overall,
single
family
residential
character,
protect,
protect,
preserve
and
enhance
features
of
the
natural
environment
and
protection
of
native
wildlife
habitats.
H
Also
I
I
just
noted
that
the
the
city
council
was
on
a
retreat
in
January
and
came
up
with
a
what
they
call
a
2040
city
council
vision.
This
was
created
during
this
Retreat.
Apparently
there
are
several
statements
in
this
in
this
Council
Vision.
The
one
that
I
want
to
focus
on
here
is
environmental
stewardship
and
I'm
going
to
quote
from
this
statement.
H
A
A
Visioning
that's
going
to
be
going
on
this
summer
and
in
throughout
the
year
and
stay
tuned
for
other
ways
to
make
your
voices
heard,
especially
on
natural
environment
sections
which
are
near
and
dear
to
mine,
and
many
other
Commissioners
hearts.
Next
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
April
19th
2023.
before
I.
Ask
for
a
motion
I'd
like
to
check
to
see
if
there
are
any
edits.
Did
anyone
notice
anything
if
not
feel
free
to
make
a
motion.
J
We
state
in
the
minutes
that
the
May
3
Planning
Commission
meeting
has
been
scheduled
to
May
24th.
That
was
updated
as
of
the
discussion,
but
I
do
wonder
if
we
might
want
to
modify
that
in
case.
Anyone
is
looking
at
the
minutes,
because
I
believe
we
are
going
to
use
a
new
date
for
that
meeting.
I,
don't
know.
A
K
So
that's
correct,
but
the
minutes
should
reflect
the
discussion
at
the
meeting.
But
it's
good
to
point
out
that
out
both
now
and
and
we'll
also
be
addressing
that
rescheduling
of
that
meeting
in
the
staff
reports.
But
so
we
haven't,
we
haven't
settled
on
a
date,
but
it
will
not
be
held
next
week
on
the
24th.
D
The
the
minutes
really
only
need
to
reflect
decisions
that
were
made
and
who
spoke,
and
so
we
could
also
just
edit
the
minutes
for
reports
from
staff
to
state
that
deputy
director
Winchell
reported
on
a
number
of
events
coming
up
and
then
that
wouldn't
have
any
specific
dates.
Memorialized,
since
technically
no
decisions
were
made
off
of
me,
giving
out
a
report.
A
I
think
that
we'll,
unless
there's
a
significant
opposition,
I'd
say
let's
retain
the
meeting
minutes
as
written,
and
you
know
we're
we're
commenting
tonight
and
tonight's
meeting
minutes
will
be
published
and
they
will
be
the
guiding.
Hopefully,
people
aren't
confused
by
that
and
that's
just
a
kind
of
relic
of
the
process.
So
thanks
for
bringing
that
up,
that's
important
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
meeting
minutes.
A
You
all
right
I
would
like
to
open
tonight's
public
hearing
on
middle
housing,
comprehensive
plan
amendments
we'll
start
with
a
brief
intro
I'm
assuming
from
senior
planner,
Boyd
and
Jesse
London,
and
then
we'll
entertain
some
clarification
questions
from
the
commission
before
moving
on
to
a
moment
for
public
comment
and
that
section
of
public
comment
is
specifically
for
Middle
housing,
comprehensive
amendments.
So
if
you're
here
you're
in
the
right
spot
after
that,
we'll
close
a
public
hearing
and
have
deliberation
by
the
commission
and
yeah
so
senior
planner
point:
please
take
it
away.
K
Thank
you
and
I,
don't
know
if
we
can
turn
the
lights
directly
over
the
diets,
but
for
the
benefit
of
the
folks,
using
kind
of
washes
out
the
slide,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
I
am
joined
by
Jesse
London
from
senior
planner
with
otac
he's
here
primarily
to
answer
any
questions
that
come
up.
They
have
taken
the
lead
on
drafting
the
the
comprehensive
plan
amendments,
but
it's
definitely
been
a
collaborative
approach.
K
So
and
I'm
going
to
repeat
some
of
what
I
presented
on
April
5th
for
the
benefit
of
the
the
viewing
public.
So
the
process
really
started
with
the
amendments
to
allow
corner
lot,
duplexes
that
were
done
in
in
2019
and
when
those
were
adopted,
both
Planning,
Commission
and
Council,
indicated
a
desire
to
to
add
other
missile
emitting
how
middle
housing
types
and
that
was
funded
by
a
Commerce
Grant.
A
second
Commerce
Grant
has
funded
the
initial
work.
K
The
the
code
Amendment
work
on
the
middle
housing
and
Planning
Commission
made
their
recommendation
in
October
of
22..
Since
then,
we've
had
a
number
of
City
Council
study
sessions,
and
we
also
since
then
received
a
third
Commerce
Grant
to
fund
these
plan
amendments
and
implementation
efforts
and
I'll
get
into
that
a
little
bit
more
in
the
next
slide.
K
Also
State
legislation
has
passed
and
been
signed
now
that
it
will
require
Washington
communities,
including
Bothell,
to
allow
middle
housing
and
and
also
that's
House
Bill
1110
House
Bill
1337
also
includes
changes
that
will
be
required
for
accessory
dwelling
units,
most
of
which
I
think
we've
covered
in
in
the
Planning
Commission
recommendation
and
I.
Just
a
little
bit,
I'll
touch
really
briefly.
The
idea
of
these
code.
K
Amendments
in
Bothell
will
be
to
allow
middle
housing
types
in
our
all
residential
neighborhoods,
and
it
will
likely
happen
in
a
way
that
they'll
be
scattered
among
the
neighborhoods,
much
as
it
was
in
traditional
neighborhoods
before
exclusive
exclusionary,
single-family
zoning
was
was
instituted
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
affordability
generally,
when
we're
talking
about
middle
housing.
I
prefer
to
use
the
term
attainable.
The
market
for
Middle
housing
is
in
this
diagram.
K
It
shows
it
is
between
80
and
120
percent
of
of
area
median
income,
that's
affordable
to
households
that
make
that
much
money.
I
was
at
a
presentation
yesterday
that
indicated
that
it
was
more
like
60
to
110
percent,
but
it'll
vary
from
Community
to
community
accessory
dwelling
units
will
be
a
somewhat
more
affordable
than
that
serving
population
in
the
50
to
80
percent
of
area.
K
Median
income,
whereas
single-family
traditional
single-family
residences,
are
are
in
the
120
percent
and
above
of
median
income
and,
of
course,
the
lower
types,
and
this
is
just
part
of
the
the
solution
to
our
housing
situation.
The
lower
affordability
types
are
generally
in
multi-family
housing
and
done
by
affordable
housing
Developers.
K
So
the
the
things
that
we're
working
on
right
now,
further
public
engagement.
We
send
out
a
city-wide
mailer
to
over
twenty
thousand
addresses.
In
mid-april
we
had
a
community
Forum
on
May
3rd.
Many
of
you
were
there
and
we
had
a
turnout
of
over
50
people
Plus.
In
addition
to
Planning
Commission
and
city
council,
we
launched
a
another
survey,
a
second
survey
at
The
Forum
and
that
closes
tomorrow.
So
anyone
listening
who
hasn't
taken
the
survey.
K
We
encourage
you
to
do
that
and
and
spread
the
word
to
friends,
because
we
want
to
get
as
broad
responses.
We
can
we're
nearing
500
responses
as
of
this
morning,
so
we'd
like
to
at
least
get
over
500.
So
the
grant
is
also
a
funding
work
on
racial
equity
and
an
anti-displacement
report,
making
recommendations
to
change,
problematic
language
in
our
plan
and
code
documents,
and
also
identifying
vulnerable
areas
that
might
be
vulnerable
to
displacement.
That
work
is
being
done
in
in
conjunction
with
the
market
analysis.
K
That's
also
evaluating
Where
Metal
housing
will
be
feasible
and
and
answering
questions
about
that
about
the
impact
on
taxes.
Some
of
the
concerns
that
we've
heard
in
our
public
engagement
so
and
then
the
other
part
of
the
the
grant
work
are
the
comp
plan
amendments
that
were
that
we're
meeting
on
tonight.
K
So
the
goal
with
the
comp
plan
amendments
are
essentially
to
enhance
the
comprehensive
plans,
tolerance
for
the
code
Amendment,
both
the
code
Amendment
recommendations
from
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
requirements
that
have
now
come
down
from
from
the
state.
So
we
we
think
that
these
amendments
are
are
broad
enough,
that
they
cover
both
situations
and
and
will
apply
in
both
situations.
K
So
the
approach
in
the
in
the
plan
amendments
is
first
of
all,
to
identify,
remove
and
replace
exclusionary
language
and
there's
an
example
here
that
I
also
included
last
time.
One
of
the
comments
we
got
from
the
commission
was,
in
this
Bothell
vision
statement
number
seven
to
include
the
environment
in
the
in
the
language
about
compatibility
with
the
scale
of
existing
neighborhoods.
K
We
also
received
a
comment
today
that
I
passed
on
to
the
commission
that
recommended
adding
form
and
character
after
the
statement
at
the
end
of
that
sentence
or
that
section
to
scale
so
it
would.
The
recommendation
was
to
facilitate
a
range
of
new
housing
types
and
infill
development
compatible
with
the
scale,
form
and
character
of
existing
neighborhoods
and
the
newer
and
their
environment
say
Edition.
K
K
Another
part
of
the
Amendments
is
changing
the
reference
in
all
of
our
residential
zones,
where
it
talks
about
housing
in
residential
zones,
where
we're
proposing
metal
housing
not
to
use
the
term
middle
housing,
but
to
use
the
the
term
that
the
that
the
state
uses
which
is
moderate
density
housing.
So
most
of
these
residential
neighborhoods
are
now
identified
as
being
suitable
for
low
and
moderate
density
housing.
So
they
still
allow
single-family
housing
the
construction
of
new
single
family
housing.
They
just
allow
additional
types.
K
There
was
a
suggestion
in
in
the
exhibit
the
comment
that
was
received
today
about
adding
this
the
definition
of
town
homes.
That's
in
the
State
legislation.
The
cop
plan
doesn't
have
definitions
for
individual
housing
types,
those
are
in
the
code
and
which
is
where
we
think
it
belongs.
Those
more
detailed
definitions,
the
what
the
the
comp
plan
does
is.
K
K
K
One
is
additional
education
and
Outreach
on
helping
people
to
do
middle
housing
types
and
then,
along
with
that
changes
to
who
bottled,
design
and
construction
standards,
specifications,
utility
requirements,
building
codes
and
other
legal
requirements
to
help
facilitate
middle
Housing.
Development.
K
So
with
that,
the
our
recommendation
for
Planning
Commission
action
tonight
is
a
motion
and
vote
to
approve
the
findings,
as
amended
as
need
be
to
reflect
tonight's
testimony
and
discussion.
I've
already
at
I.
I
do
have
to
find
both
the
findings
and
the
plan
amendments
available
to
put
up
on
the
screen
if
you'd,
like
I've,
already
added
the
exhibits
that
were
circulated
today
and
we'll
add
the
the
any
testimony
that
we
have
specific
to
the
Scout
amendments.
A
L
L
K
K
A
K
A
We
have
individuals
in
the
audience
tonight
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
over
at
the
doorway
and
we'll
be
going
in
the
order
at
which
you
had
signed
in
to
speak
because
there
aren't
too
many
of
us
tonight.
If
you
haven't
signed
up,
don't
feel
like
you
have
to
get
up
because
we'll
just
I'll
hopefully
be
able
to
call
you
after
we've
gone
through
the
people
who've
signed
up.
So
thanks
for
coming.
A
If
you've
signed
up
to
speak
I'll,
welcome
you
to
step
up
to
the
podium
click
on
well
nope,
you
don't
even
need
to
click
onto
the
mic,
it's
red,
and
that
means
it's
recording
and
then
identify
yourself
clearly
and
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
speak
again,
we're
using
the
new
technology
for
the
commission
tonight.
So
the
colorful
lights
will
change.
When
you
have
one
minute
to
go,
I
think
and
then
red
means
please
wrap
it
up
all
right.
Deputy
director
who's.
First.
D
F
Oh
so
it'll
be
really
short:
I
had
gone
through,
oh
I,
guess
a
lot
of
time.
My
name
is
Justin
buffard
I've
gone
through
Dave's
agenda
item
and
I.
Looked
at
his
proposed
changes,
complex
wording
and
as
I
was
mentioning
to
one
of
the
Commissioners
here.
Some
of
that
older
language
definitely
did
not
age
well,
the
updates
are
long
overdue.
The
particular
area
I
live
in
was
especially
bad.
F
That
was
West
Hill,
and
you
know
you
can
you
can
kind
of
see
sort
of
the
difference
in
in
mindset?
My
my
particular
one
that
Dave
mentioned
today
that
I'm
in
big
support
of
as
character
was
and
still
is
a
loaded
term
there's
no
real
definition
for
it.
It's
sort
of
a
to
me
it's
a
bit
of
a
dog
whistle,
so
I
prefer
size
and
scale,
and,
and
things
like
that
that
are
proposed
in
the
proposed
amendments
it
just.
F
E
E
Then
we
have
a
the
expensive
housing
rules.
I've
already
pointed
this
out.
In
the
past,
it's
cost
30
percent
less
to
LIT
to
rent
an
apartment
in
Bothell
than
it
did
in
1991
when
I
moved
here.
That's
the
truth,
when
indexed
against
the
minimum
wage
I
brought
up
this
tire
dust
issue:
how
dangerous
that
is
to
salmon
90
percent
up
to
90
percent
salmon
dying
in
North
Creek.
We
have
the
Kokanee
salmon,
which
is
on
the
verge
of
endangered
there's
already
one
native
species
that's
totally
wiped
out.
E
Do
you
know
why
you
won't
do
that
because
it
will
fail,
because
the
people
don't
want
this
and
this
change
if
it
doesn't
completely
destroy
the
Watershed,
all
I
can
say
thank
God
for
Seattle
seed
or
Watershed.
Maybe
we
should
build
intensity
housing
in
the
Cedar
Watershed
and
just
turn
Lake
Washington
into
sewer.
E
A
B
Anna
guard
16524,
104th
Avenue
Northeast
I'm
here
to
address
these
comprehensive
plan
amendments
as
presented
to
the
Planning
Commission.
My
first
comment:
these
comments
all
come
from
the
signed
and
adopted
HP
1110,
so
the
first
comment
was
to
add
the
words
form
and
character
to
your
section
on
lup6
I.
Just
totally
disagree
that
character
is
exclusionary.
B
Language
I
cannot
imagine
that
the
state
legislature
would
pass
exclusionary
language
in
their
own
bill
or
that
the
governor
would
sign
it
I
view
and
I'm
thinking
back
over
the
photos
that
you
were
shown
many
many
months
ago
that
tried
to
characterize
and
I
use.
The
word
characterize
the
type
of
housing
we
would
look
like
and
the
whole
import
was
to
say
it
looks
like
single
family
housing
and
that's
what
its
character
is
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
add
that
term.
This
is
what
is
in
state
law
and
it
is
not
exclusionary.
N
O
A
N
A
A
K
I
would
like
to
provide
some
clarification
on
that
that
last
comment,
the
survey
results
are
being
or
will
be
tabulated
next
week
and
we'll
be
reporting
back
to
well,
we'll
be
posting
those
on
on
our
website,
we'll
be
reporting
back
to
city
council
and
they
will
inform
the
city
council's
final
decisions.
Unfortunately,
the
the
timing
didn't
work
out.
K
Well,
the
the
May
2022
survey
certainly
did
inform
the
Planning
Commission
recommendations
and
there
were
some
changes
that
were
made
based
on
what
we
heard
in
the
survey
so
and
and
we'll
be
open
to
changes
based
or
the
city
council
will
be
able
to
make
changes
based
on
on
what
they.
What's
in
this,
this
survey
and
what's
reported
back,
we'll
also
be
adding
on
our
webpage
summaries
of
of
the
discussion
at
the
community
Forum.
So
that's
all
coming.
A
We're
now
moving
into
a
time
of
deliberations,
and
this
is
where
we
can
have
any
conversation
about
the
proposed
amendments
which
are
redlined
or
gray,
lined
on
your
document
in
front
of
you
I'm
wondering
if
maybe
we
just
kind
of
Breeze
through
some
of
the
language.
Unless
someone
wants
to
just
start
us
out
with
questions
I,
don't
know
how
people
have
prepared
for
tonight's
meeting.
A
Not
each
I
don't
want
to
belabor
each
individual
sub
area,
because
there
is
significant
overlap
and
we'd
like
to
respect
everyone's
time
here,
but
just
make
sure
that
we
we
know
what
we're
looking
at.
The
comprehensive
plan
is
part
of
the
commission's
space
and
yeah
we're
the
stewards
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
we
should
know
what's
in
it
and
what
we're
changing.
So
we'll
start
with
the
vision
statements
on
page
15
at
the
top
there's
seven
and
eight.
A
J
L
Yeah,
thank
you
Claire
Robson
here,
just
in
a
question
to
commissioner
grafterson.
So
I
see
that
they're,
you
know
we're
eliminating
we're
changing
verbiage
is.
Is
there
do
you
fail
that,
just
in
this
little
area
of
the
Buffalo
vision
statement
we're
dealing
with
today
that
it
is
lacking
that
there
are
things
here
that
you
feel
like
are
not
included
in
that
other
statement,
I
mean
I.
L
Think
I
just
want
to
kind
of
get
your
perspective
a
little
more
on
what
why
we
would
make
that
change,
because,
to
be
honest
with
you,
I'm,
not
really
that
familiar
with
the
new
Bothell
statement.
So
if
you
could
just
give
me
a
few
details
on
what
you're
picturing
I
would
appreciate
it,
and
maybe
people
in
the
public
might
appreciate
that
as
well.
Sir.
J
Yeah.
Thank
you,
commissioner
Robson,
for
that
great
question.
What
I'm,
referring
to
with
the
Bothell
2040
statement,
is
something
that
our
public
commenters
also
talked
about
is
at
the
city.
Council
went
into
a
retreat,
and
after
a
lot
of
very
emotional
and
difficult,
the
liberations,
the
city
council,
which
includes
people
from
all
sides
of
the
political
Spectrum,
put
together
six
goals
that
encapsulate
what
Bothell
is
and
what
it
wants
to
be
environment,
a
place
of
Celebration,
a
Beloved,
Community
and
I'm,
getting
a
little
further
ahead
of
middle
housing
here,
but
I
wish.
J
We
could
use
those
six
statements
and
fold
in
these
ideas
of
middle
housing
into
those,
because
middle
housing
is
related
to
creating
a
community
that
accepts
people
of
all
economic
backgrounds
and
by
folding
it
in
it
transcends
some
of
the
language
that
often
can
become
very
technical.
That's
why
I'm
suggesting
it.
P
D
I
think
so,
I
think
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
we're
looking
at
updating
the
vision
statement
with
a
comprehensive
plan,
and
so
essentially,
these
changes
are
to
get
us
to
the
comprehensive
Plan
update.
And
so
we
are
already
planning
on
having
broad
Community
conversations
about
these
19
statements.
We
had
some
of
those
conversations
with
you
all
a
few
months
ago
and
then
we've
also
had
those
with
city,
council
and
so
I
was
just
a
staff.
D
A
Yeah
thanks
for
that
feedback
and
I
that
was
appreciated.
For
me
too
I
know
maybe
I
kind
of
stepped
a
little
ahead
when
I
said
that
it's
you
know
our
document
to
Stuart,
okay.
Well,
it
also
goes
through
Council
and
Council
had
specifically
said
that
they
wanted
to
kind
of
keep
things
the
way
it
was
this
year,
so
that
the
comprehensive
Plan
update
process
can
take
its
course
and
and
do
what
it
needs
to
do.
A
A
I
Rick
I
don't
object
to
adding
toenails
as
if,
for
some
reason,
it's
appropriate
to
do
so,
sometimes
hard
to
say
every
single
form
of
middle
middle
housing.
Here's
a
list,
but
if,
if
it's
more
consistent
and
it's
not
a
big
deal
because
it
matches
the
state
or
something
like
that,
I
wouldn't
have
checked
to
it.
So
but
it's
not
a
deal
Baker
for
me
either
I
just
want
to
at
least
bring
that
up.
L
Think
it
would
be
beneficial
to
add
Town
hoses
as
a
distinction.
I
mean
duplexes,
triplexes
and
fourplexes
to
a
lot
of
people.
Almost
reads
is
the
same
thing:
it's
a
similar
format
inside
a
single
family
home.
You
have
several
residences
where
town
homes
are
a
distinct
format
of
housing,
that's
different
from
Cottage
housing,
Courtyard
housing
and
the
plexus.
If
you
will
so,
we
may
just
want
to
say
up
to
four
Plex
says
town
or
something
along
that
too.
L
If
we
want
to
keep,
you
know,
keep
it
brief,
while
including
the
various
formats
that
are
included
in
moderate
housing,
I
think
it
I
think
it's
an
important
element
of
middle
housing
that
could
I
think
that
the
document
could
benefit
from
that
inclusion
to
see
the
various
to
illustrate
the
various
forms
that
are
encapsulated
in
the
word.
Moderate
density.
K
I
guess
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
so
we
first
of
all
town
homes
are
are
kind
of
a
that's
a
interesting
term.
That's
refers
to
the
configuration
so
a
duplex,
a
Triplex,
a
fourplex,
and
then
it
beyond
that
the
canal
be
done
in
a
townhouse
form,
and
so,
if
you,
if
you
say
Town
Homes,
do
you
mean
Beyond
four
units?
K
So
that's
why
that
level
of
detail
we
think,
is
most
appropriate
to
have
in
the
code
Amendment
in
the
code
which
it
is
and
and
the
the
plan
comprehensive
plan
language
does
use
the
term
it's
inclusive
of
town
homes.
It
just
doesn't
get
into
a
detailed
definition.
If
we
do
do
a
detailed
definition
for
Town
Homes,
we
should
do
the
same
for
the
other
middle
housing
types,
I,
I
would
think,
and
and
again
we
think
the
appropriate
place
for
that
detail
is
in
in
the
code.
Amendments.
K
Lot
So.
Currently,
the
code
allows
a
lot
reduction
and
averaging
in
the
r
9600s
on
so
in
our
9600.
You
can
have
lots
as
small
as
84
100
square
feet
and
as
long
as
the
average
of
all
is
at
least
9
600..
This
would
just
allow
you
to
do
the
same
thing
in
the
other
zone.
Go
down
to
the
next
classification
for
a
minimum,
as
long
as
the
average
meets
meets
the
the
designated
average.
A
One
thing
I
really
like
about
this:
that
fits
with
our
vision
and
our
discussions,
and
what
we've
heard
from
comments
is
that
it's
incremental
right,
so
it's
not
a
hard
and
fast
line
in
the
in
the
ground.
One
side
of
the
street
is
dense,
the
other,
isn't
it
matters
based
on
each
lot
in
its
capacity,
so
I
I'm
a
fan
yeah,
commissioner
investor
bear
I'm.
I
Not
sure,
if
we're
to
this
point,
so
you
can
tell
me
if
we're
not
I,
had
a
question
about
the
40
000
square
foot
lot
size
language
versus
the
the
other
number
two
96
80,
472,
Etc
I
know
you
guys
are
aware
of
this.
The
it
says
in
40
000,
the
stays
Nation
shall
provide
for
a
detached
residential
development.
I
In
addition
to
allowing
one
you
know,
180
1d8dadu
and
then,
of
course,
for
the
next
one
down
with
the
other.
Smaller
lot
sizes
it
says,
does
Nation
shall
provide
low
to
moderate
density,
Housing,
Development,
I
and
maybe
I
just
need
a
refresher
I,
don't
remember
what
we
covered
in
Middle
housing
I
thought
we,
you
were
still
allowed
to
do
the
the
moderate
missing
middle
on
the
Forty
thousand.
So
all
this
is
obviously
not
as
long
as
it's
not
an
ECA
area
or
something
like
that.
I
Oh
I
understand
so
this
is
only
about
a
lot
of
everything.
I
thought
it
was
also
saying
we're
setting
the
casting
the
die
here
for
detached
only
on
those
lots
and
saying
like
if
you
I
thought
it
would
still
be
subject
to
the
four
four
unit.
Once
you
jump
to
the
building
or
once
you
dump
trailer
land
use
code,
so
maybe
I'm,
combining
or
or
confusing
different
sections
of
code.
K
A
All
right,
I
think
that
those
kind
of
four
main
Gray
Line
Red
Line
issues
pretty
much
summarize
the
changes
that
are
made
into
individual
Siberia
code
as
well.
There's
minor
differences
based
on
the
sub-area
and
its
existing
zoning
classifications,
for
example,
like
the
R40
000,
doesn't
show
up
in
some
of
the
neighborhoods,
because
our
40
000
zoning
is
like
log
cabin
zoning.
So
you
don't
see
that
downtown.
A
A
Okay,
well,
if
we're
ready
to
move
on
to
the
findings,
conclusions
and
recommendations,
if
people
are
ready
to
make
it
decision
for
Council,
I
will
say
that
this
is
another
moment
that
we
have
to
have
deliberations
on
the
individual
Amendment
to
the
comp
plan.
Also
responding
or
thinking
about
the
public
comment
that
we've
heard
and.
M
A
A
So
six
is
talking
about
the
the
where
the
findings
are
based
on
seven
recognizes
that
we're
experiencing
a
housing
crisis
and
that
we
don't
control
yeah.
We
we
have
there's
an
urgent
need
to
allow
and
facilitate
new
housing
and
urbanized
areas
with
existing
infrastructure
and
to
promote
affordable
housing
options.
In
those
variety
of
ways.
Number
eight
is
talking
specifically
about
middle
housing
and
its
history
in
America,
especially
prior
to
exclusive
exclusively
single-family
zoned
neighborhoods
in
the
40s
I
will
note
that
the
finding
number
eight
does
use
the
word
character.
P
Sorry
I
wasn't
sure
if
you
wanted
to
go
through
all
of
them
first,
so
so
I
think
we
have
to
be
careful
to
not
put
in
exclusionary
language
in
our
findings
and
traditional
American
Residential
development
is
somewhat
dated
if
we
think
about
who's,
American
Etc,
so
I
wonder
if
we
could
rephrase
that
to
something
else
or
if
we
even
need
those
words.
Yeah.
J
The
whole
history
of
court
cases
that
have
had
deliberations
which
revolve
around
people
putting
people
in
their
place,
which
means
not
in
our
neighborhoods
I,
would
suggest
that
we
look
at
that
issue
either
in
the
finding
number,
eight
or
perhaps
address
it
in
the
frequently
asked
questions
on
our
website,
because
we
hear
a
lot.
What
exclusionary's
ending?
What
does
it
mean?
So
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
Define
that
either
in
our
findings
or
on
our
website
or
both.
A
An
agreement
I
think
that,
for
the
purposes
of
editing
by
committee,
these
specific
findings.
That
is
a
little
bit
of
a
steep
ask
for
tonight
and
I
like
the
idea
of
having
a
resource
online
that
you
know
we
have
that
web
page
and
other
City
web
pages
have
frequently
asked
questions,
and
that
might
be
a
good
way
to
centrally
locate
kind
of
the.
What
we've
been
hearing
from
some
people
and
questions
that
we've
been
hearing
about.
Others
like,
like
you
mentioned
so
yeah,
do
you
want
to.
J
A
P
I
was
just
going
to
agree
with
commissioner
Gusto's
son
and
I
would
just
ask
the
planning
staff
if
we
could
consider
this,
maybe
I
agree.
We
don't
want
to
slow
this
down,
but
for
future
findings
and
draft
statements.
Maybe
we
could
consider
putting
in
some
definitions
or
descriptions
of
what
exclusionary
types
of
zoning
have
done
in
the
past.
Maybe
that
would
be
a
way
to
also
handle
it.
C
I
did
I
was
just
gonna
agree
with
commissioner
Gustafson
on
on
the
comments
about
having
this
infrequent
frequently
asked.
Questions
and
I
also
was
going
back
to
where
I
was
going
to
go
back
to
number
eight
and
thinking
about
whether
we
even
needed
the
phrase
in
traditional
American
Residential
development
in
and
if
you
know,
if
we're
considering
it,
I
would
say
that
we
don't.
But
you
know,
addressing
this
type
of
thing
and
frequency
of
questions.
First.
C
A
L
H
K
Q
A
I
Just
want
to
Concur
and
agree
wholeheartedly
with
every
commissioner
has
spoken
on
this
when
we
entered
this
missing
middle
discussion.
Almost
two
years
ago
now,
I
have
often
said,
as
as
with
HB,
1110
and
others
that
exclusionary
zoning
is
reason
enough
to
reinstate
middle
housing.
We
need
no
other
reason
affordable
and
animal
housing.
All
those
other
things
they're
great
they're,
necessary
there
they're
almost
the
smoke
screen
they're
the
bonus,
exclusionary
zoning
really
never
should
have
happened,
and
so
I've
been
on
the
record
for
years
saying
that
that
that
really
is
job
one.
I
A
I
I
will
add
to
that.
We
talk.
It
comes
up
a
lot
I
know
in
in
our
conversations
outside
of
of
Planning
Commission,
but
that
is
the
understanding
Now
by
scientists
as
well,
that
we
can
incorporate
that
into
here
that
we're
doing
this
in
for
multiple
reasons.
Obviously
the
others
we
just
mentioned,
but
not
the
least
of
which,
which
is
putting
housing
where
we
have
existing
infrastructure,
gets
people
closer
to
home.
I
L
I
I
agree,
though
I
mean
I
thought
agreed
immediately
with
you
even
before
we
reached
this
section
that
we
do
need
something
so
to
reflect
that
we
are
hearing
residents,
concerns
about
the
environment,
I
think
they.
There
is
something
about
sipa
on
13,
but
frankly
it.
It
reads
very
cold,
a
lot
of
people
when
they
come
in
here
they
don't
understand
sepa.
L
They
don't
know
that
that's
mandatory
for
building
you
know,
reviews
and
those
kinds
of
things,
so
I
think
it
is
really
important,
even
though
maybe
redundant
to
us
and
to
other
professionals.
I,
do
think
that
it's
necessary
to
reflect
that.
We
are
hearing
people
that
this
is
a
concern
to
us,
because
it
it
is
very
close
to
the
heart
and
I
would
say
probably
to
the
majority
of
residents
in
Bothell,
and
we
want
them
their
voices
to
be
heard
and
sipa
doesn't
reflect
that
care.
So
I
just
wanted
just
second
that.
L
J
Sarah
Gustafson
here
I
know
that
in
the
previous
section
I
said,
let's
reduce
the
number
of
findings,
but
I
wonder
if
we
might
want
to
introduce
a
complete
new
finding
about
the
environment
and
I'm
going
to
perhaps
State
some
language
from
the
bow
pop
website.
That
has
some
really
cherish
type
language
about
the
environment
and
it's
we
believe
that
middle
housing
is
part
of
intelligently
planning,
for
growth
in
Bothell
and
by
doing
so
will
reduce
pressure
on
our
beloved
green
spaces.
J
P
Yeah
commissioner
Jones
I
it
I.
Let
I
really
very
much
like
the
idea
of
adding
that
additional
statement,
because
I
think
in
I,
like
what
commissioner
Boyd
wrote
for
number
seven,
because
I
think
that
is
an
important
part
of
how
we
facilitate
new
housing.
But
what
you're
suggesting
is
something
different
and
important
and
I
I
yeah
I
agree.
C
C
You
know
what
about
other
things,
people
care
about,
so
maybe
we
don't
get
specific
about
those
types
of
things,
but
keep
it
more
General,
because
we
will
forget
something
and
there
are
different
things
that
are
important
to
everybody
so
I,
unless
we
can
get
it
all
in
in
some
way,
I
think
it
might
be
a
an
idea
to
think
about
not
including
the
those
specifics
and
the
other
thing
was
I.
Think
I
can't
remember
what
you
said,
but
something
about
doing
it
intelligently.
L
A
Okay,
I'm
hearing
support
for
adding
another
Finding
and
not
a
whole
lot
of
draft
language,
so
I'm
wondering
if
maybe
we
start
out
with
saying
that.
Oh
my
gosh
I'm
really
doing
this
middle
housing.
What
is
the
subject
is
Middle
housing,
and
then
we
start
talking
about
I.
Think
some
of
the
heart
of
what
was
discussed
is
that
it
is.
It
is
conserving
ecosystem
area
for
many
living
things,
plants
and
animals
that
would
otherwise
otherwise
be
converted
to
housing.
A
In
this
current
system
of
Crisis
crisis,
housing
housing
is
developed
everywhere,
right
that
it
can
be,
and
when
it
it's
not
only
a
displacement
and
Equity
risk
for
people
like
in
number
nine
which
we're
jumping
ahead,
but
it's
also
a
displacement
for
ecosystems
too,
and
where
there's
existing
infrastructure
and
there's
been
existing
disturbance
for
housing,
adding
infill
housing
or
moderate
density
housing.
Whatever
we're
calling
it
now,
middle
housing
is
both
compatible
with
with
the
compatible
with.
A
L
A
K
And,
and
that
could
there
are
other
items
scheduled
for
that
night,
but
I
think
we
could
probably
address
this
one
fairly
quickly
and
and
if
you
wanted
to
assign
a
commissioner
or
two
to
craft
some
language,
we
could
do
that.
I
was
gonna.
Take
an
attempt,
make
an
attempt
to
to
draft
something
based
on
what
was
being
said
here,
but
if
you'd
rather
give
it
more
thought
and
bring
it
back,
we
can
do
that.
A
A
A
A
Number
11
is
the
identification
of
areas
in
Imagine,
both
a
comprehensive
plan.
Certain
policies
there
I
think
that
those
are
exactly
what
need
to
be
shown,
but
are
there
any
others
not
seeing
any
okay?
12
just
says
it's
going
to
be
sent
to
Commerce
for
review.
13.
Is
this
cold
sipa
statement?
It's
just
categorical
any
comments
so
far,
nope
okay,
14
is
list
of
exhibits.
A
I
will
read
these
ones
out
just
so
that
we
can
have
a
very,
very
clean
session
on
the
seventh
number
one.
The
recommended
comprehensive
plan
Amendments
have
been
drafted,
noticed
reviewed
by
the
public
and
considered
by
the
Planning
Commission,
in
accordance
with
all
applicable
laws
of
the
state
of
Washington
and
the
City
of
Bothell
number
two,
the
recommended
comprehensive
plan
amendments
are
necessary
to
provide
options
for
residential
development
number
three:
the
recommended
code
amendments
are
in
the
best
interest
of
the
public
health
safety
and
Welfare.
A
D
Yeah,
just
a
few
really
quick
reports
so
right
now.
Some
things
that
you
all
have
previously
reviewed
that
are
before
city
council
for
consideration
include,
in
addition
to
Middle
housing
transfer
of
development
rights,
which
is
the
Canyon
Park
program,
Shoreline
code
amendments
which
actually
I'm
realizing
you
all
didn't
see.
The
shoreline
board
saw
them,
but
those
are
code,
amendments
that
are
being
considered
by
city
council
and
then
outdoor
dining.
So
those
things
are
all
at
our
city
council
in
June,
we're
beginning
to
plan
for
summer
engagement
around
the
comprehensive
plan.
D
So
we'll
give
you
updates
on
that.
I
mean
you'll,
hear
a
lot.
I
think
this
summer
will
be
almost
all
comprehensive
planned
for
you
all.
We
are
working
on
launching
our
engagement
portal.
So
that's
what
the
survey
is
hosted
on
right
now
or
looking
at
it
at
launching
that
for
the
comprehensive
plan
and
more
widely
for
the
city,
we're
aiming
for
May
22nd,
so
keep
an
eye
out
for
that,
and
then
Dave
mentioned
this
previously.
D
But
we
are
currently
reviewing
HB,
1110
and
1337
to
better
understand
how
that
will
impact
the
Planning
Commission
recommendation
and
city
council
final
decision
on
middle
housing
and
how
we
can
incorporate
those
requirements
with
with
what's
been
recommended
by
Planning
Commission.
So
that's
just
our
quick
update
for
this
month.
K
K
K
Go
ahead,
that's
not
one
other
thing:
yeah!
We
I
pulled
the
commission
about
potential
meeting
on
June
14th,
which
is
the
second
Wednesday.
So
not
it
is
one
that
is
in
the
bylaws
as
a
Planning
Commission
meeting
night,
but
we've
been
just
doing
first
and
third,
but
the
because
of
the
postponement
again
of
the
the
meeting
on
the
24th.
That
was
a
a
date
that
could
be
opened
in
in
order
to
not
double
up
on
another
night,
so
I
heard
back
from
I
think
everybody
I
haven't
heard
from
commissioner
Jones.
Q
K
G
D
D
If
you
know
now
or
if
you
can,
let
us
know
in
the
near
future,
if
you
will
be
available
that
night,
if
you're
not
available,
we
could
do
July
12th.
We
can
send
out
an
email
as
well,
but
we're
just
wanted
to
be
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
people
may
be
on
vacation
and
want
to
make
sure
we
have
a
quorum.