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Watch the July 15, 2023 Community Meeting at Bothell City Hall on Fully Inclusive Playgrounds, with presenter G Cody QJ Goldberg of Harper's Playground.
B
B
All
right
well
good
morning,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Nick
Stroup
I'm,
the
Parks
and
Recreation
director
here
at
the
city
of
Bothell
and
I'd,
like
to
thank
you
this
morning
for
joining
us
to
talk
about
inclusive
playgrounds,
we'd
also
like
to
acknowledge
the
presence
of
our
council
member
Gene
zorns
she's
right
in
the
back
there.
We
also
have
some
parks
and
rec
board
members
here,
our
chairperson
Whitney
Negan
Bauer
over
in
the
corner.
B
We
have
Manuel
Campo
and
we
have
Maggie
Catlin
welcome
and
we
also
have
our
city
manager
Kyle
stannert
his
hero
as
well.
So
thank
you
all.
For
attending
this
morning,
summer,
Bothell
Parks
and
Recreation
launched
a
project
to
develop
two
fully
inclusive
and
accessible
playgrounds
within
our
Park
system.
B
Bothell
Parks
currently
have
14
playgrounds,
none
of
which
are
fully
inclusive
or
fully
accessible
as
staff.
We
see
this
as
an
opportunity
to
change
the
way
that
we've
approached
playground
design
in
the
past.
Our
commitment
to
you
is
that
we're
here
to
listen,
learn
and
adapt
with
you
to
create
play
spaces
that
meet
the
social,
emotional
and
physical
needs
of
our
community.
B
The
purpose
of
today's
meeting
is
it
to
introduce
you
to
the
concept
of
radically
inclusive
playgrounds.
The
presentation
will
include
a
discussion
on
the.
Why
and
how
surrounding
the
concept
of
delivering
radically
inclusive
playgrounds,
and
this
is
just
the
start
of
a
conversation
here
at
the
city
of
Bothell,
with
that.
We
feel
extremely
fortunate
this
morning
to
be
joined
by
Cody
Goldberg,
founder
and
chief
play
officer
for
Harper's
playground.
B
One
playground
at
a
time
Cody
as
well
as
members
of
the
the
Bothell
Parks
and
Recreation
team,
will
be
available
afterwards
to
discuss
any
questions,
any
thoughts,
any
ideas
you
have
but
again
I
just
want
to
emphasize.
This
is
just
the
beginning
of
this
conversation
here
at
the
city
of
Bothell,
about
inclusive
playgrounds
and
again
this
conversation
is
about
how
can
we
make
Bothell
more
inclusive
one
playground
at
a
time?
So
with
that,
it's
my
pleasure
to
introduce
to
you
Cody,
Goldberg,
founder
and
chief
play
officer
for
Harper's
playground.
A
A
Our
family
had
raised
1.2
million
dollars
and
designed
one
of
the
most
interesting.
We
think
at
least
at
what
we
called
inclusive
playgrounds
and
it
was
in
November
of
2012.
We
cut
the
ribbon
today,
I'm
going
to
share
with
you
a
little
bit
of
what
that
two
two
and
a
half
year
three
year,
Journey
was
like
I'm.
A
In
fact,
that's
where
we're
going
to
start
within
a
year
of
opening
our
first
playground
we
were
featured
on
the
Today
show
I
mean
I,
remember
very
clearly
not
being
that
interested
in
being
on
The
Today
Show,
but
because
we
had
decided
that
we
wanted
the
rest
of
the
world
to
adopt
our
model
of
playground.
We
figured
being
on
The
Today
Show
would
be
helpful
to
that.
A
I
think
it
was
only
four
months
later
that
I
took
the
stage
of
tedx
Portland
I
love
to
joke.
At
the
time
it
was
somewhat
an
exclusive
Club
I.
Think
now
there's
been
about
a
million
TED
Talks,
so
it's
a
little
less
of
a
deal,
but
it
was
very
humbling
to
take
a
stage
in
front
of
3
000
people
and
again
it
was
another
attempt
to
make
sure
the
world
was
aware
of
this.
My
background
is
marketing.
I've
always
enjoyed
courting
celebrities.
A
A
They
actually
made
a
video
on
for
social
media
about
this
journey
that
we've
been
on.
Since
we
started
this
work,
we
now
have
our
DNA
in
19
projects
the
furthest
from
home.
Is
this
one?
This
is
Tokyo
Japan.
This
was
a
partnership
with
Nike
and
they
asked
us
to
feature
their
three
most
important,
Sports,
basketball,
skateboarding
and
running
all
connected
through
the
lens
of
inclusive
playground
throughout
the
connective
tissue.
A
The
Stanford
social
Innovation
Review
magazine
I,
think
this
was
in
2001,
did
a
story
on
this
movement
of
inclusive
playgrounds
and
they
featured
Harper's
playground.
Now
I'm
not
going
to
quote
myself
from
the
article
that
would
be
silly.
There's
a
gentleman
from
an
equipment
company
actually
called
landscape
structures
that
has
been
embracing
the
inclusive
playground
movement
quoted,
saying:
I,
don't
think
communities
are
going
to
see
inclusion
as
a
niche
item
anymore,
I
would
say
within
five
years.
A
Inclusive
play
is
going
to
be
the
new
norm
and
as
a
testament
to
that
this
partnership
with
the
city
of
Bothell
feels
like
a
really
important
incremental
step
in
that
direction.
So
thank
you
to
Nick
and
the
team
for
having
me
here
and
for
highlighting
that
we
have
on
our
website
at
harpersburg
on
the
free
downloadable
how-to
book,
we're
interested
in
helping
people
copy
us
making
it
easy.
We
have,
however,
because
we're
so
far
behind
on
an
ability
to
respond
to
all
the
requests.
A
We
are
approached
through
there's
so
many
communication
sources
now
right,
Twitter,
LinkedIn,
Facebook,
email,
here's
two
examples
of
where
we
see
our
work,
impacting
the
world
really
proud
and
honored
to
see
that
intensive
care
units,
neonatal
intensive
care
units
use
Harper's
playgrounds
as
reunion
sites,
because
often
children
who
have
gone
through
the
neonatal
Intensive
Care
Unit
cycle,
like
our
daughter
Harper,
often
end
up
having
Mobility
challenges,
so
they
choose
Harper's
playgrounds.
I'm
in
this
LinkedIn
message
really
has
stuck
with
me,
we'll
zoom
in
on
it
here.
A
I
hold
this
strong
dream
to
build
an
Innovative
playground
in
my
community,
but
was
almost
about
letting
that
dream
go
until
something
pushed
me
today
to
try
seeing
your
designs
brought
so
much
hope
in
the
realization
of
a
unique
playground
in
my
community
that
was
from
Cameroon,
so
yeah.
That's
just
some
of
the
highlights.
A
That
story
is
what
really
moves
us
to
action,
so
we're
going
to
use
some
story
to
share,
but
today
my
I
have
three
goals:
I
want
to
inspire
you
all
to
want
to
build
inclusive
playgrounds.
I,
hopefully,
will
entertain
you
and
that's
where
the
personal
Journey
comes
in,
of
course,
and
then
maybe
it'll
be
a
little
bit
of
Education
mixed
in
and
I
hope.
The
education
part
is
a
two-way
street.
I
actually
hope.
A
A
What
am
I
I'm
a
playground,
Advocate
I,
guess
it
always
goes
back
to
your
birth.
This
is
a
photo
of
me
on
the
day.
I
was
born
on
the
left
on
the
right
is
not
my
grandfather.
That's
Mark,
Twain
Mark
Twain
said
that
the
two
most
important
days
in
your
life
first,
of
course,
is
the
day
you're
born
anyone
in
the
audience
know
what
the
second
most
important
day
in
your
life
is
nobody,
okay,
Mark
Twain
at
least
said
it's
the
day.
You
figure
out.
Why.
A
This
next
image
is
the
day
I
figured
out
why
I
was
born
I'm,
not
in
the
picture,
because
I'm
taking
that
photo.
But
this
was
our
very
first
design
charette
for
our
very
first
playground,
and
it
was
when
I
heard
about
the
power
of
a
well-designed
environment,
especially
a
more
natural
environment,
to
stimulate
brain
development.
A
A
So
my
personal
journey
to
being
a
playground,
fan
and
Advocate
started
on
my
very
first
Playground
now
I
am
the
essentially
the
anti-structure
person
I'm
on
a
mission
to
remove
structures
in
essence,
but
if
you're
going
to
put
any
kind
of
structure,
use
a
reclaimed
building
materials
for
sure
this
is
a
pretty
cool
as
structures
go.
This
was
a
pretty
cool
playground
at
the
time
I
was
playing
on
this
playground.
I
was
part
of
a
new
movement.
A
small
Niche
movement
called
open
classroom.
A
My
parents
and
some
of
their
hippie
friends,
had
infiltrated
the
school
board
of
our
local
community
and
transformed
the
very
reading
and
writing
and
arithmetic
school
to
what
was
called
again
open,
classroom,
play-based
learning.
It
was
suggested
that
us
kids
should
be
free
to
choose
our
schedule
throughout
the
day.
Do
work
when
we
wanted
to
work
but
play
when
we
wanted
to
play
so
as
a
kindergartner
I
was
having
conversations
about
intrinsic
motivations,
which
is
a
big
part
of
what
play
is
all
about.
So
very
playful
childhood.
That's
number
one!
A
As
I've
been
doing
this
work,
and
looking
back
on
my
childhood
one
of
the
most
formative
experiences
I
had
was
in
playing
against
this
team.
So
I'm
not
in
this
photo,
don't
look
for
a
young
Cody.
This
is
a
team
I
played
against
growing
up,
and
this
young
well
he's
not
young
anymore.
Like
me,
this
is
Xerxes.
A
Xerxes
was
a
regular
member
of
this
team.
He
also
had
significant
cerebral
palsy,
so
he
wasn't
the
ball
boy
on
the
team
that
got
to
hit
in
the
last
game
of
the
season.
He
was
a
regular
member
of
the
team
he
batted
every
time
he
was
supposed
to
bat,
that's
what
we
call
inclusion
and
that
has
I
think
seeing
how
he
has
thrived
in
his
life
and
remembering
how
important
it
was
to
all
of
us
that
he'd
be
a
regular
member
of
the
team
was
very
formative,
so
I
started
with
play.
A
A
That
was
my
playground
really
more
than
that
structure.
That
I
showed
you
earlier.
So
yes,
a
really
rich
and
beautiful
and
unfortunate
childhood
with
play
and
inclusion
and
nature.
But
my
first
love
before
playgrounds
was
film
and
to
keep
you
entertained.
I'm,
hopefully,
gonna
inspire
you
and
educate
you
about
Cinema,
just
a
short
bit.
How
many
of
you
have
ever
seen
the
film
over
the
edge
1979
classic
incredible
rock
and
roll
soundtrack,
Matt
Dillon's?
First
film,
no
over-the-edge
fans,
okay,
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
dating
myself
I
think
we're.
A
I
shall
not
quiz
you,
although
I
just
I'm
curious,
if
you
can
remember
even
just
the
main
sort
of
the
through
line
thesis
of
the
film
by
chance.
Okay,
do
you
remember
that
it
had
good
rock
and
roll
soundtrack,
excellent,
okay,
believe
it
or
not?
I
didn't
throw
this
in
there
just
because
it's
one
of
my
favorite
films
of
all
time.
A
The
the
main
thesis
of
this
film
is
that
when
building
especially
a
new
community,
an
intentional
Community,
if
you
leave
the
kids
out,
they
will
Rebel,
and
so
the
kids
actually
in
this
film,
lock
all
their
parents
in
the
school
and
they
like
destroy
the
town
because
they're
so
mad
that
they
were
not
part
of
the
conversation
and
designing
their
community
and
they
had
been
left
out.
So
it's
kind
of
an
interesting
I
I
found
a
way
to
fit
it
in
as
well.
My
first
love
was
film.
I'll.
A
Take
you
through
this
quickly,
because
it's
not
all
about
me,
but
I
actually
went
to
New
York
University
Film
School,
that's
a
photo!
There's
a
photo
of
me
with
one
of
the
first
video
cameras
ever
invented,
but
then
I'm
shooting
a
student
film
out
in
East
Hampton
I
actually
had
a
tiny
half
a
career
in
Hollywood.
That's
me
with
that
little
marker
scene,
in
shooting
in
New,
York,
City
I
thought
you
know.
I
didn't
really
want
to
make
commercial
films,
so
I'll
make
documentaries.
A
My
first
failed
documentary
was
called
American,
Dreams
and
I
drove
across
the
country
interviewing
people
of
all
walks
of
life
about
their
dreams
in
life
and
whether
or
not
they
were
pursuing
them.
If
not,
why
not
guess
what
most
people
said
they
were
not
doing.
Not
that
and
money
was
the
reason
why
my
second
failed
documentary
and
there
are
no
such
thing
as
real
failures.
It's
a
failing
forward
type
of
thing,
but
I
spent
a
year
living
out
of
a
Westphalia
camper
traveling
with
a
Loosely
we'll
call
them
a
band.
A
A
percussion
band
traveling
through
Mexico
passing
the
hat
busking
I
was
30
years.
Old
I
definitely
was
not
certain
what
the
future
held,
but
my
parents
remember
the
photo
of
them.
They
could
not
have
been
more
happy
for
me.
They
really
thought
that
was
the
best
thing
I
could
have
been
doing
with
my
life.
A
It
was
during
that
time
in
Mexico
that
I
met.
My
now
wife
April
in
high
school
I
worked
at
Burger
King
in
high
school.
She
was
a
state
champion,
cheerleader
back
to
inspiration,
I
just
hope
this
inspires
some
some
people
that
you
too
can
can
make
it.
April
really
deserves.
My
wife.
April
deserves
a
lot
of
notice
in
this
presentation
and
this
movement.
A
This
whole
thing
was
her
idea
actually
and
I'll,
get
to
that
in
a
second,
but
we
were
married
in
2001
and
by
2000
and
five
we
were
expecting
our
first
child
Harper,
so
he
actually
can
you
can
see
our
wedding
photo
and
our
expectant
photo
as
I've
already
alluded
to
the
entry
of
Harper
into
our
lives
was
pretty
impactful.
In
fact,
while
April
deserves
credit
for
having
this
idea,
of
course,
Harper
deserves
credit
for
inspiring
this
idea.
A
A
A
Why
I'm
alive
at
least,
why
I
think
I'm
alive
inspired
by
Harper
and
on
this
day
this
day
happened
to
be
I
can
remember
the
day
it
was
March
1st
2011..
The
reason
I
can
remember
the
day
is
actually
my
birthday,
and
that
was
the
second
sign
that
this
was
just
something
that
had
to
happen.
The
first
sign
back
earlier
than
this
day.
We
we
approached
the
community
through
our
neighborhood
association,
to
suggest
we
wanted
to
build
this
playground
for
our
daughter
and
they
were
very
amenable.
A
I
relieved
received
a
letter
from
the
neighborhood
association
suggesting
that
they
not
only
supported
the
idea
that
they
were
going
to
make
it
a
priority
for
the
neighborhood
and
the
the
letter
was
dated
March
1st
again
my
birthday,
and
it
was
a
year
later
that
this
world-renowned
designer
who's
in
that
image,
from
a
firm
in
Berkeley
California,
she
was
coming
to
town
and
she
said
I'll
be
in
town
on
March
1st,
we'll
do
a
design
charette,
so
I
don't
need
three
signs.
Two
was
plenty:
this
is
what
I
should
be
doing.
A
A
Defying
the
odds
at
the
age
of
four
Harper
was
walking
well,
not
totally
independently,
but
she
was
using
this
walker.
This
is
our
neighborhood
park,
Arbor
Lodge
Park
in
North
Portland.
This
is
in
the
summer
of
2009,
and
this
is
the
first
day
we
took
Harper
to
the
park
in
her
walker,
a
beautiful
sunny
day.
You
can
see
in
the
background
of
the
image
one
of
those
colorful
playground
structures
that
was
our
destination.
A
A
So
this
these
two
images
are
were
taken
at
that
actual
playground
that
we,
that
was
our
destination
on
that
walk.
You
see,
on
the
left,
hand,
side
or
not.
Everyone
can
see
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
this
image
is
a
ramp
that
goes
into
the
wood
chip
area
of
the
playground,
I
assumed.
That
was
for
the
wheelbarrows
that
deliver
the
wood
chips
into
that
area,
but
no
that's
a
ramp
for
wheelchairs.
A
A
We
experience
Harper,
not
even
being
able
to
navigate
those
wood
chips
first
and
then,
when
we
learned
that
this
was
actually
ADA
Compliant,
we
just
thought
no
way.
That's
that's
not
going
to
pass
so
we
took
a
look
at
the
playground
industry
as
a
whole
very
closely.
We
were
looking
at
the
design
of
playgrounds.
This
one
is
from
a
catalog
that
playground
manufactures,
sell
playgrounds
from
there's
enough
wrong
with
this
image
to
spend
a
good
hour
talking
about
it.
A
I'll
just
point
out
a
couple
things
real
fast,
there's
no
nature
in
it
and
nature
is
vital
for
children
to
have
access
to
notice
how
each
child
is
playing
by
themselves,
and
it
really
does
almost
suggest
that
you
would
spend
more
of
your
time
and
energy
interfacing
with
this
unanimate
object
than
with
your
friends.
It's
not
really
designed
for
social
play,
but,
most
importantly
to
us,
it
was
designed
by
people
who
apparently
think
that
children
who
use
wheelchairs
don't
actually
need
them.
A
So
we
definitely
thought
something
should
happen
and
I,
and
we
took
also
a
look
at
play.
We
started
studying
play
incessantly
figure
design
play
environments,
you
should
have
some
knowledge
of
how
play
works,
plays
the
foundation
of
all
that
is
good
in
any
human
being
again
we're
talking
about
what
we
could
spend
an
hour
talking
about.
A
We
could
spend
a
a
year
talking
all
about
play
and
just
scratch
the
surface
of
how
important
it
is
to
us,
but
it's
so
important
that
the
United
Nations
recognizes
it
right
as
a
right
of
every
child
and
the
playground
industry.
They
are
aware
of
this,
so
they
have
this
movement
to
build
accessible
structures.
A
A
Think
right,
and
maybe,
if
you
put
some
cheese
at
the
end,
it
might
look
as
fun
as
being
in
a
rap
maze
that
is
so
prescribed
like
you
just
have
no
choice
of
where
you're
going,
but
to
follow
that
right.
So
that's
not
that's
not
the
right
thing.
The
playground,
Universe
municipalities
are
recognizing.
Those
structures
are
not
enough
and
they're
building
nature
playscapes,
which
is
great.
A
This
happens
to
be
an
image
of
Westmoreland
park
down
in
Portland
Oregon
opened
about
a
year
after
the
first
Harper's
playground
and
heartbreaking
to
me,
because
it
incorporates
just
as
much
nature
as
we
do,
but
it's
totally
inaccessible
and
there's
just
no
reason
to
be
creating
inaccessible
Naturescapes,
because
a
lot
of
nature
is
already
inaccessible.
So,
let's
make
it
accessible
to
everyone,
so
our
model,
the
Harper's
playground
model,
is
really
all
about,
and
this
is
the
the
very
first
design
of
the
very
first
playground
is
about
introducing
full
accessibility
everywhere
with
lots
of
nature.
A
That's
the
two
most
important
ingredients.
I
mean
I'll,
go
through
more
of
that
later,
but
Harper's
playground
formed
a
little
well,
it's
our
family
right
that
another
image
of
Harper
on
that
very
first
day,
the
maiden
voyage
and
I
know
I'm
in
Seattle
country-ish.
So
that's
a
Timbers
Army
photo
I'm.
Sorry
to
all
you
up
here,
but
you
know
you
gotta,
you
gotta
support
your
local
team
right,
I
mean
so
we
can.
A
We
can
be
friends,
I
promise
we
can
get
through
this
part
of
it,
but
we
took
that
image
of
Harper
on
that
first
day
and
that's
actually
become
a
really
focal
point
of
our
logo
for
Harper's
playground.
That's
the
a
in
Harper's
playground
and
I
mentioned.
We
raised
1.2
million
dollars
in
just
shy
of
three
years.
My
Accidental,
post
film
career
was
in
marketing
for
Adidas
and
Red
Bull
energy,
drink
and
I
really
never
wanted
to
sell
sugar
water
nor
sell
shoes,
but
I'm
excited
to
sell
playgrounds
to
y'all
here
today.
A
So,
yes,
we
used
our
girls
to
show
the
the
organization.
Another
image
bear
with
it:
Seattle
fans,
but
the
Timbers
and
the
Timbers
Army
became
huge
supporters
of
Harper's
playground.
We
sold
scarves
we
raised
over
25
000
for
selling
those
scarves.
We
were
lucky
to
actually
be
in
the
first
Maiden.
It
was
2010.
It
was
the
first
season
for
the
Timbers
in
the
MLS
and
really
helped
turn
this
movement
into
Citywide
movement.
A
We
did
benefit
concerts,
I,
even
raffled,
off
my
very
own
Cadillac,
which
I
had
never
actually
officially
cleared
with
my
wife
to
purchase
in
the
first
place.
So
luckily
we
turned
a
good
profit
on
it
by
by
putting
it
into
the
raffle.
We
do
love
fundraising
and
while
we
often
are
called
to
help
communities
with
design-
and
we
are
also
often
called
to
service
to
help
fundraise
and
I-
think
part
of
the
fundraising
experience
that
I
think
is
so
fun.
A
It's
a
great
way
to
ensure
the
community
is
bought
in
they're
actually
buying
in
with
their
their
dollars
and
there's
several
ways
to
invite
the
community
to
do
that,
whether
it's
selling
them
tickets
to
to
win
a
Cadillac,
perhaps
or
often
like
named
bricks
within
the
designs.
It's
really
nice
to
allow
people
to
not
only
invest
but
to
have
a
piece
of
it
as
well.
A
So
we
love
doing
that,
but
I
think
so
we
raised
a
lot
of
money
that
was
cool,
I,
think
the
most
impressive
thing
that
our
little
family
movement
did
was
actually
get
it
built.
We
got
the
permit
to
build
that
sucker
and
I
know:
I
have
a
city
manager
in
the
in
the
in
the
room.
Who
knows
that
that
definitely
you
don't
just
hand
those
out
like
candy.
A
And
it
was
very
Hands-On
I
not
only
physically
dismantled
that
structure
that
had
so
annoyed
us
the
day
we
walked
to
it,
but
I
went
and
I
lifted
that
Boulder
into
that
truck.
That's
approximately
a
12
000
pound
Boulder,
it
is
a
focal
part
Point
within
our
design.
Trees
and
boulders
are
really
so
important
to
our
design.
A
A
A
It
would
have
been
okay
to
me
if
that
three
years
of
Labor
that
incredible
playground
had
been
whisked
away
by
a
tornado
at
the
day
after
this,
this
moment
alone
would
have
been
worth
it
to
me.
I
think
this
is
everything.
Luckily
the
playground's.
Now
it's
going
to
celebrate
its
11th
anniversary
or
birthday.
This
November
I
don't
have
the
data,
but
we
know
it's
touched
a
lot
of
people
in
a
lot
of
ways
just
like
this.
Since
then,
it's
really
important
to
remember
that
a
good
public
playground
is
not
just
for
children.
A
Multi-Generational
play
is
important
and
also
just
being
able
to
connect
together,
and
sometimes
it
is
a
parent
who
experiences
a
disability.
This
image
is
also
one
of
the
most
important
to
me,
because
this
woman
shared
with
us
that
this
was
the
first
day
she
had
ever
experienced
being
able
to
swing
her
child
on
a
swing,
and
she
had
wanted
us
to
know
that
she
had
saved
up
special
to
buy
a
home
within
rolling
distance
of
this
playground.
Our
very
first
now
our
next
spokes
model
is
Stella
showing
what
it
is
like
for
somebody.
A
A
If
there's
one
thing
you
keep
with
you
after
this
aside
from
the
importance
of
over
the
edge
the
film
from
1979
or
that
image
of
my
parents,
young
and
old,
like
that,
it
is
that
it
is
this
really
well
designed
spaces,
especially
in
a
a
space,
is
not
designed.
Well,
if
it's
not
inclusive,
in
my
opinion,
a
really
well
designed
inclusive
space.
It
is
all
about
designing,
for
everyone
not
designing
just
for
disability,
an
unstructured
environment
is
what
children
of
all
abilities
want.
It
is
what
they
need.
A
A
We
are
all
born
empathetic
and
somehow
the
world
has
had
an
ability
to
beat
that
out
of
some
of
us,
but
kids
are
almost
always
empathetic
I
work
with
kids
all
the
time
they
want
to
see
their
friends
of
different
abilities
in
the
same
space
as
them.
They
want
to
connect
with
them,
and
so,
even
if
they
don't
know
it
when
they
enter
a
space,
that's
not
inclusive.
They
know
intuitively
they're
missing
something.
A
So
this
is.
This
is
why
this
is
so
important.
There's
no
I'm
ready
to
take
arguments
if
they
come
later,
but
I
just
cannot
think
there's
any
argument
against
doing
it.
This
way
and
there's
really.
Actually,
this
is
known
to
some
extent.
These
images
are
meant
to
highlight
something
called
the
curb
cut
effect.
The
curb
cut
effect,
I,
believe
my
understanding
is
it's
a
term
that
comes
from
also
from
Stanford.
A
That
just
suggests
when
we
design
an
adaptation
for
a
need.
It
ends
up
really
benefiting
everyone
and
curb
Cuts
benefit,
so
many
more
people
than
wheelchair
users.
The
list
goes
on
and
on,
but
even
just
think
of
a
delivery
driver
who
used
to
have
to
try
to
pull
their
their
cart
up
over
a
curb,
and
now
they
can
roll
right
to
their
deliveries.
A
It's
it's
so
important.
This
is
one
of
my
favorite
images
or
cluster
of
images
from
a
neighbor
of
our
first
playground.
This
quote
just
really.
It
just
touches
me
so
this
and
this
child,
as
you
can
see,
no
noticeable
disability,
at
least
just
having
such
a
rich
experience
at
our
first
playground
and
the
concept
of
being
thanked
for
changing
the
landscape
of
a
child's
of
child's
childhood.
A
A
It
really
shows
back
to
like
how
the
design
can
connect
people
even
in
touch
like
this,
so
they're
imagining
this
hill
is
steep.
It's
not
that
Steep
and
they're
imagining
that
what
I'm
pretty
sure
is
going
on
if
he
pulls
the
hand
off
his
friend,
is
going
to
fall
down
the
hill.
That's
really
creative,
interactive
and
touch
and
really
awesome,
so
Harper's
playground.
A
We
celebrate
our
design.
We
have
a
lot
of
Partnerships
that
we
do
back
to
what
we'll
be
encouraging
your
communities,
not
just
to
use
youth,
invite
the
community
to
help
design
and
build
these,
but
to
help
activate
them
as
well.
We
love
activating
our
space.
We
have
never
contractually
obligated
ourselves
to
maintain
the
parks.
We
helped
build.
That's
because
we're
so
small
and
it
would
be
hard,
but
we
love
to
help
and
I
can
promise
you
that,
if
we're
still
around,
we
would
probably
love
to
come
up
and
help
organize
cleanup
parties.
A
It's
it's
such
a
fun
way
to
actually
share
with
people
the
richness
of
the
space
and
they
and
corporations
are
always
looking
for
Hands-On
volunteer
opportunities.
We
will
encourage
you
and
help
you
design,
a
system
by
which
your
your
new
playgrounds,
which
may
or
may
not
need
a
tiny
bit
extra
maintenance,
we'll
see,
there's
a
lot
more
nature
in
there
that
you
have
the
volunteer
Corps.
That
will
want
to
do
it
because
they're
going
to
be
so
bought
in
we
love
doing
this.
A
I
have
future
board
members
in
the
in
the
in
the
spaces.
We
activate
our
spaces
with
events
like
family
play
day.
We
change
this
to
community
plan
day
play
day.
We
actually
received
a
call
from
a
woman
who
said
I
don't
have
a
family.
Can
I
still
come
that
still
breaks
my
heart
a
little
bit
so
I
said
yes,
you're
invited.
We
are
all
family
by
the
way
to
get
philosophical,
but
we
now
call
it
community
plan
day
play
day.
A
I
mean
this
other
there's
another
example:
I
love
it's
yet
another
disability
focused
organization
choosing
to
host
events
at
Harper's
playground,
and
what
we
have
found
is
that
the
need
is
is
really
great.
Way
Beyond
Harper
we
receive
requests
earlier
in
the
presentation.
I
talked
about
from
as
far
away
as
Cameroon.
This
one
definitely
moves
me
quite
a
bit.
This
is
a
transitional
school
in
Portland.
The
school
itself
is
adjacent
to
a
park
with
a
very
inaccessible
playground.
I
mean
that
is
that
is
pretty
heartbreaking.
A
A
This
was
like
around
Sunrise,
it's
very
rare,
to
see
a
Harpers
playground,
not
full
of
kids,
but
this
is
around
Sunrise,
but
it's
it's
nice
to
have
these,
because
it
really
gives
you
a
sense
of
the
space
that
we're
encouraging,
not
a
colorful,
mcdonaldland,
yellow
and
red
and
blue
thing,
but
a
topography
that
is
any
any
Elders
like
myself
feel
like
that's.
A
space
I
could
enter
into
that
that
colorful
structure
I,
probably
wouldn't
climb
on,
but
I
might
roll
into
there.
A
Now
here's
the
thing
I
will
share
with
you
all
disability
is
a
great
uniter.
It
really
is,
and
any
of
us
who
intend
to
live
a
long
life
can
count
on
experiencing
disability
directly
ourselves.
So
all
the
more
reasons
for
everyone
to
really
Embrace
this.
This
movement
I
got
my
new
knee
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
prior
to
that,
I
really
needed
a
Harper's
playground.
A
I
can
kind
of
get
around
better
now,
but
anyhow
I'm
going
to
walk
you
through
the
you
all
could
design
your
own
radically
inclusive
play
space
after
this
slide,
so
I
talked
about
accessibility.
Earlier
accessibility
is
far
too
often
used
interchangeably
with
inclusive
and
I.
Think
that's
partially,
because
accessible
is
the
most
important
part
of
it.
Without
accessibility,
you
cannot
have
an
inclusive
space,
but
accessibility
alone
is
that
rat
maze
that
I
showed
you
earlier
or
the
TSA
line
so
accessible
and
adaptive
is
what
makes
a
space
physically.
A
Inviting
and
adaptive
means
it's
great
that
you
can
get
to
a
feature,
but
by
ensuring
it's
adaptive,
it's
usable
by
the
most
people
by
introducing
nature
and
communal
Design
Elements
like
circular
seating
spaces
and
choosing
playground,
features
that
invite
collaboration.
Like
group
swings
group
Spinners
things
of
that
nature.
It
becomes
a
socially
inviting
environment
and
then
there's
a
difference
between
good
design
and
less
good
design,
and
it
is
harder
to
quantify,
but
it
is
beautiful,
artwork,
thoughtful
details,
plenty
of
seating
plenty
of
shade,
so
nature
really
lends
itself
to
the
thoughtful
part.
A
Anyone
know
who
designed
nature.
Anyone
I
know
you
do.
You
know
there
was
no
permit
given
there
was
no
permit
process.
It's
true.
Nature
is
really
well
designed,
so
we
don't
have.
We
just
have
to
look
to
Nature
and
use
nature.
That's
why
I
think
the
hill
is
so
important,
so
the
Harper's
playground
model,
the
vision
is
global
domination.
A
We
want
to
dominate
The
Playground
space,
but
we
do
not
want
to
force
our
way
into
any
relationship.
We
really
had
to
do
that
with
our
first
one
and
now
luckily,
since
that
first
one,
the
the
invitation
is
pretty
open
to
us
to
get
involved,
and
we
know-
and
we
appreciate
that
bringing
people
along
this
journey
that
I
took
a
long
time
ago
is
one
of
the
most
important
parts,
one
of
my
main
goals
in
a
speaking
engagement
like
this
is
just
to
get
one
of
you.
A
If
there's
one
person
in
this
room
decides
yeah,
I
think
this
is
cool.
I
want
to
help
out.
That's
a
success
today,
so
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
sense
of
where
we
are
now
in
our
home
home
territory.
This
is
the
Portland
Vancouver
metro
area.
These
are
the
Harpers
playground
inspired
or
involved
projects,
the
largest
one
in
there
in
the
development,
as
Nick
alluded
to
will
open
next
month
date
to
be
released
most
likely
next
week.
That's
been
a
five-year
four
million
dollar
Journey,
that's
a
big
one!
A
So
don't
get
don't
worry
about
the
number!
It's
really
big,
it's
really
exciting,
but
closer
to
you
all.
This
is
kind
of
how
we're
starting
to
look.
We
are
in
the
process
of.
We
will
develop
two
together
pay,
no
attention
to
the
locations
there.
That's
just
to
show
you
they'll
be
in
this
city
somewhere,
but
we
are
our
first
Consulting
project
ever
was
down
in
Bainbridge
Island.
It's
called
Owens
playground.
A
The
entire
Community
I
feel
like
in
Bainbridge
Island,
embraced
that
it
was
a
local
family
who
lost
their
son
Owen,
and
we
helped
that
family
with
everything
from
design
to
community
engagement,
to
fundraising
and
Community,
like
I've
mentioned
Community
engagement
and
fundraising
are
really
closely
tied
together
and
then
a
playground
that
is
going
to
have
a
different
name.
It's
called
it
was
first
called
Eli's
playground
in
Seattle
I
believe
it's
under
construction.
A
Now
as
we
speak,
so
it
should
be
open
by
the
end
of
the
summer
or
I'm,
not
sure
their
timeline,
but
I'll
communicate
with
the
folks
up
here
about
that
one
and
then
again
we're
going
to
do
two
here
in
the
coming
years
that
I'm
really
excited
about
here's.
Just
some
of
the
designs
that
we've
accomplished
of
those
19,
the
two
on
the
left
hand
side
are
down.
In
Portland,
the
team
from
Bothell
Parks
has
been
down
to
visit
several
of
ours
really
enjoyed
having
having
the
crew
down
there.
A
A
So
this
is
the
design
at
Marshall
Park
in
Vancouver
and
I'm
gonna
walk
you
through
just
a
little
bit
of
what
some
of
the
elements
are
in
there
play
is
what
we
talk
about,
perhaps
most
because
we're
building
playgrounds,
but
the
ultimate
goal
is
community
building
is,
is
social
connection,
so
we
design
in
these
plazas
into
our
playgrounds
just
circular
seating
areas
where
people
would
be
invited
to
gather
and
where
I
also
can
preach
the
gospel
of
playgrounds
from
as
well.
So
the
pulpit
is
in
there.
A
The
really
Central
feature
the
most
important
feature
is
a
Harpers
hill.
We
haven't
copyrighted
that
term,
but
hopefully
you'll
call
your
Hills
Harpers
Hills
feel
free
to
call
it
for
a
local
person
as
well.
That's
how
you
get
the
local
community
involved,
but
the
Harpers
Hill
I
could
spend
hours
showing
you
images
of
how
kids
use
these
things,
but
just
in
the
summertime
kids
actually
bring
in
cardboard
to
a
playground
shows
that
they
have
really
thought
about
their
experience,
which
is
cool
and
just
try
to
show
me
kids
sliding
down
a
structure.
A
It
ain't
happening.
It's
awesome,
the
hill
is
all
year
all
age.
All
awesome,
one
of
our
bigger
challenges
has
been
putting
or
attempting
to
put
wheelchair
swings
into
public
parks,
because
wheelchair
swings
are
very
heavy
apparatus,
but
luckily
a
company
has
finally
come
up,
I
think
with
the
Perfect
Blend
of
motion
worth
motioning
and
wheelchair
accessibility.
This
is
called
the
Wego
swing.
Marshall
Park
will
be
one
of
the
first
public
parks
on
the
west
coast
to
get
one
of
these
because
they're
really
hot
off
the
presses.
A
But
it's
so
important
so
important
to
go
that
extra
mile
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
very
collaborative
and
the
motion
is
not.
You
know
it's
not
they're
not
swinging
up
into
the
to
the
sky.
It's
not
that
much
so
it
is.
It
remains
very
safe,
especially
with
that
big
buffer
there,
but
just
enough
motion
as
well.
This
company's
previous
piece
of
equipment
was
called
the
sway
fund
and
it
really
barely
swayed
and
it
was
didn't,
seem
very
fun.
A
So
it's
important
to
to
find
that
balance,
we're
big
on
custom
and
we're
big
on
nature,
and
this
also
has
a
personal
context.
So
I
talked
about
Harper's
Hill.
This
is
Lenin
land
Lenin
land
is
Harper's,
younger
sister
I've
got
her
I,
don't
know
if
the
camera's
gonna
zoom
in
on
that
one,
but
I've
got
Harper
on
the
left
and
and
Landon
on.
The
right.
Lenin
is
actually
featured
in
this
image.
A
So
we
put
Lenin
lands
into
as
many
playgrounds
as
we
can.
It
depends
on
size
for
sure
and
and
so
forth,
but
the
collaboration
that
happens
in
these
spaces,
the
the
teamwork
is
just
phenomenal,
being
inclusive
means
everybody,
so
don't
call
it
a
skate
park,
because
that
will
that
will
scare
some
people
in
municipalities
called
a
wheel,
Play
Zone.
This
is
a
wheel.
Play,
Zone
and
artwork
and
story
are
important.
As
I
mentioned.
A
This
playground
happens
to
have
the
playground
that
we're
replacing
at
Marshall
Park
has
a
personal
story
connected
to
the
daughter
of
a
local
firefighter
down
there,
and
it
had
a.
It
was
a
red
structure
so,
rather
than
doing
a
red
structure,
because
we
don't
do
structures
we're
actually
putting
a
bona
fide
real
retrofitted
fire
truck
into
the
park.
Some
of
the
folks
on
your
team
saw
on
Instagram.
A
We
actually
installed
it
this
week,
a
very
triumphant
day
indeed,
and
that's
an
artist
who
worked
on
trimming
it
from
a
nine
foot,
wide
fire
truck
to
a
three
foot
wide
fire
truck.
It's
pretty
cool.
We
love
working
with
artists.
One
of
our
favorite
is
a
gentleman
named
Pete
helzer.
It's
interesting,
I
saw
outside
of
this
building.
There
are
some
some
bronze
features
pretty
similar
to
this
I.
Don't
know
if
those
are
Pete
housers,
but
Pete
does
not
only
realistic
ones,
but
he
does
a
sort
of
more
Whimsical
character
pieces
for
this
latest
project.
A
We're
going
to
have
he's
doing
his
his
sort
of
signature
turtle
in
every
imaginable
wheel
activity,
so
there'll
be
a
wheelchair
turtle
and
there'll
be
a
bicycling
Turtle.
Here
you
see
a
skateboarding
turtle
and
a
parent
Turtle
pushing
a
baby
turtle
in
the
stroller.
You
can
barely
see
it
in
there,
but
the
baby
has
a
binky
in
its
mouth
and
it's
just
way
too
cute
his
his
turtle
that
he
did
for
us
at
Arbor,
Lodge
Park.
A
It's
actually
how
I
ended
up
here
today.
So
your
very
own,
Aaron
Milner,
attended
our
Workshop
it'll
be
a
year
ago.
Is
that
right,
yeah,
a
year
ago,
this
October
and
there
I
am
talking
as
usual.
Just
talk
talk
but
hopefully
and
I.
Think
in
this
term
it
sparked
an
idea
and
Aaron
reached
out
after
and
said
you
know
we
should
talk.
We
should
see
where
this
could
go,
and
so
I'm
really
thankful
for
this
day
and
for
where
we've
come
together
and
it's
your
whole
team
for
having
embraced
this
this
movement.
A
So
those
of
you
who
want
to
learn
more
at
this
year's
Workshop
is
the
23rd
and
24th
of
October.
We
dive
in
deeper
I've
kind
of
scratched
the
surface.
If
you
have
questions
what
we
do,
is
we
really
kind
of
take
you
through
the
Journey
of
the
very
first
iteration
of
something
like
this
on
through
to
the
what
we
celebrate
throughout
the
whole
way,
but
ultimately,
certification,
Harper's,
playground,
certification
and
I?
Think
of
Harper
Saigon
really
has
two
things.
We
are
at
501c3
nonprofit,
that's
where
the
logo
comes
in,
but
I
think.
A
More
importantly,
we
have
a
very
unique
design
perspective
that
radically
inclusive
design,
infusing,
very
playable
and
very
natural
with,
of
course,
most
importantly,
maybe
inclusive,
that's
Roi,
and
we
think
we
really
teach
the
why
in
the
beginning
of
the
how-to
workshop
and
the
Y
has
three
components:
people
with
disabilities
are
experience,
exclusion
still
at
an
alarming
rate.
These
are
older
images,
but
it
still
is
happening.
A
A
Kids
up
until
again,
I'm,
not
I,
don't
know
all
my
data,
but
kids
really
need
free
play
for
longer
periods
of
time
and
not
organize
Sports.
Necessarily
now
I've
been
sharing
for
a
long
time
that
there's
an
epidemic
of
of
isolation,
going
on
back
to
I'm,
just
a
guy,
a
guy
who
had
a
bake,
sale,
I'm,
not
a
PhD
I,
don't
do
a
lot
of
data.
A
I
know
it's
small
and
I.
Think
my
my
special
pointer
wasn't
I.
Have
this
like
highlighting
thing?
It's
not
highlighting,
but
I'll
just
share
with
you
all.
The
data
shows
social
connection
on
a
decline,
isolation
on
an
increase
and
the
surgeon
generals
number
one
recommendation:
pillar
number
one
to
strengthen
social
infrastructure
in
local
communities.
The
first
bullet
point
design
the
built
environment
to
promote
social
connection,
and
it's
an
odd
thing
when
data
supports
your
mission
and
the
data
is
not
good
like
it's
not
something
to
be
happy
about.
A
So
I
have
really
mixed
feelings
about
this.
But,
of
course,
as
someone
on
this
mission,
I
guess
it's
good
to
have
this
support
for
what
we're
trying
to
do.
Yeah
I
won't
even
use
the
word
good.
The
data
suggests
we
should
do
this,
so
don't
just
take
my
word
for
it.
Take
the
surgeon
generals
I'm,
getting
close
to
the
end
I'll
share
with
you
all
one
story
of
impact
back
to
story:
I
don't
want
to
really
move
you
with
data
too
much,
but
data
and
story
when
they're
combined,
they're
Unstoppable.
A
A
And
that
illustration
is
the
swing
that
she
was
able
to
sit
on
one
time
in
her
one
trip
to
Harper's
playground.
That's
how
much
impact
that
experience
had
that
she
made
it
a
big
part
of
her
story
and
she
didn't
leave
to.
She
didn't
live
to
see
her
sixth
birthday
and
I
learned
about
her
story
after
she
had
passed
because
one
of
her
therapists
reached
out
and
said
I'd
like
to
make
a
gift,
Harper's
playground
on
her
behalf.
A
You
know
how
do
I
go
about
doing
that
and
it
was
like
an
afterthought.
She
said
hey,
you
know
you
should
actually
know
that
she
featured
her
playground
in
her
story
and
I
ended
up
buying
like
a
thousand
copies
of
this
book
and
I
give
it
to
people
to
help
them
understand
the
importance,
because
she
should
have
had
a
Harper's
playground
on
her
block.
A
D
A
Yeah
did
I
lose,
should
I
try
to
start.
Oh
there
we
go
I.
Guess
we
have
somebody
going
back
and
forth
awesome.
Thank
you.
So
yeah
I
would
have
loved
to
have
designed
those
Hills
with
real
grass
for
sure
it
would.
It
would
not
have
lasted
so
that's
AstroTurf,
the
AstroTurf
is
warrantied
for
a
15-year
life
cycle.
A
I.
Think
there's
a
the
AstroTurf
that
we've
Incorporated
in
our
designs
has
become,
is
becoming
more
and
more
ubiquitous
all
over
the
country
in
designs
and
the
I
think
the
improvements
are
even
you
know
markedly
happening
with
with
longevity
every
year,
but
even
the
product
that
we
installed
is
performing
wonderfully
still
11
years
later
and
there's
no
erosion
because
it's
actually
the
hill
is,
is
covered
in
a
layer
of
shotcrete
concrete
and
then
it
gets
a
padding.
A
A
A
Obviously
I
think
some
medium
size
is
like
a
is
a
probably
more
ideal.
I
foresee
a
movement
that's
already
happening
in
in
parts
of
Europe,
in
making
very
inclusive
or
at
least
accessible
spaces,
more
playable
and
I
think
an
accessible
feature
in
a
pocket
park
near
an
intersection
and
I've.
Seen
like
swing
sets
near
bus
stops
in
Europe.
Is
that
sort
of
thing
I
think
you
can
create
a
an
inclusive,
playable
space
in
any
size
possible
I
think
you
know
we're
building
some
bigger
ones,
especially
this
one.
F
Well,
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
sharing
your
story
because,
like
you
said
it's
it's
very
impactful,
and
it
just
makes
me
think
about
my
own
personal
experience
with
playgrounds
and
public
space.
So
I
have
two
questions.
One
is
when
I
saw
this
event
was
gonna
happen.
I
went
on
the
website
and
I
saw.
F
You
also
include
splash,
pads
and
water
plays
so
I'd
love
to
know
more
about
that,
because,
especially
as
like
cooling,
water
features
are
becoming
more
important
and
because
of
climate
change,
I'm
just
kind
of
curious.
What
your
experience
is
with
that
and
what
the
impact
has
been
and
then
second
of
all,
this
is
kind
of,
like
literally
outside
of
the
playgrounds,
but
just
speaking
of
play
and
accessibility
and
and
safety
I'm
wondering
what
your
experience
like.
F
Do
you
ever
work
with
Transportation,
like
state
or
local
departments,
because
very
specifically,
I'm
thinking
of
Bothell
Landing,
and
it's
like
once
you're
there?
It
feels
very
safe
and
it
feels
you
know
you
can
kind
of
relax
with
your
kids
running
around,
but
even
Crossing
Bothell
Way
I've,
often
almost
gotten
hit,
and
so
and
for
such
you
know
like
a
centrally
located
playground.
It
seems,
like
you
kind
of,
have
to
think
about
how
people
are
getting
there
and
so
I'm.
Just
curious
too.
F
A
Thank
you
excellent
question
and
thank
you
for
the
kind
kind
words
I'll
start
with
the
second
part.
First,
because
I
forget
the
first
part
I
might
actually
have
to
water.
That's
okay!
Thank
you,
I'll!
Get
to
that
in
a
second,
because
I
think
the
most
important
part
of
what
you're
asking
is
the
entire
site
selection
process
and
everything
that
goes
into
it.
You
just
have
reminded
me
and
I'll
just
because
I'll
share
this
as
a
story,
part
I,
remember:
we've
gotten
some
traction
on
our
first
playground.
A
We
started
to
look
at
the
other
amenities
nearby.
It
actually
had
a
school
adjacent
to
it.
That's
something
we
sometimes
are
looking
for
as
a
if
a
park
is
adjacent
to
a
school.
That's
really
nice
to
have
being
within
rolling
distance
of
a
children's
hospital,
becomes
another
checkpoint
of
a
good
location,
mature
trees
in
place
parking
general
safety
like
if
the
playground
is
on
the
edge
of
a
cliff,
less
desirable.
A
Perhaps
so
all
of
that
comes
into
the
the
part
that
we
consult
about
and
help
with,
with
choosing
we're
working
towards
a
system
right
now
we're
you're
either
Harper's,
pygon
or
you're,
not
you're,
certified
or
you're.
Not
we
are
going
to
create
a
tiered
system,
platinum,
gold
and
silver,
and
that
will
have
Platinum
will
really
require
all
those
other
thoughts.
You
know
everything
to
get
platinum,
so
we'll
help
guide
people
to
choose
the
right
locations.
I.
Think
splash,
pads
with
global
warming
along
with
shade,
are
more
and
more
important.
A
That
comes
down
to
a
lot
of
times
cost
in
terms
of
that's
a
pretty
big
layer
of
cost
for
a
project.
So
our
ideal
projects
are
we're
going
to
maybe
help
fundraise
for
the
playground
itself
and
the
splash
pad
is
part
of
a
different
amenity.
Perhaps,
but
it
really
is
just
I
think
mostly
comes
to
that.
Did
that
answer
those
two
questions
fairly.
A
We
haven't
had
that
particular
experience,
there's
a
pretty
robust
homelessness
problem
in
Portland
and,
of
course,
up
the
whole
West
Coast
and
people
have
attempted
to
pull
us
into
that
conversation
a
little
bit
because
the
city
of
Portland
was
offering
camping
at
public
parks
at
one
point
and
they
wanted
us
to
say:
that's
not
a
good
idea.
I
mean
we
opted
out
of
that
conversation.
Our
our
response
is,
everybody
should
have
a
home
for
sure
and
I'm
not
interested
in.
A
In
being
part
of
that
debate,
what
I
will
tell
you
is
that
back
to
data,
there's
all
kinds
of
data
that
suggests
public
spaces
that
bring
more
people,
especially
more
different
varieties,
are
safer
in
general,
it's
isolated
spaces
that
become
more
dangerous,
almost
always
and
yeah.
We
end
up
working
with
inner
Department,
all
the
time
departments
I
mean,
especially
in
Portland,
because
we've
been
there
so
long.
We
are
well
known
by
and
and
called
to
action
by,
all
the
bureaus
at
least
to
come.
Get
my
I
give
my
speech
at
least
to
them.
A
G
Hi
Debbie
Carlson,
Gould
I
have
a
couple
questions
too
one
is:
is
it
typical
or
not,
that
you
are
sort
of
redoing
existing
Parks
or
situations
where
it's
a
brand
new
build
yeah
and
I
guess?
My
second
question
is
for
the
city
staff
like
in
our
situation,
the
two
parks
that
you're
considering
are
they
new?
Are
they
existing
parks
that
are
going
to
be
made
over?
A
It
also
had
a
structure
that
was
at
the
end
of
its
life
cycle,
we're
not
in
the
business
of
removing
five-year-old
playground
structures.
That's
not
a
good
good
economics
or
good.
It's
no
municipality
wants
to
do
that,
but
there's
enough
Way
Beyond
their
life
cycle
all
over
the
world
that
will
keep
us
busy
for
a
long
time
brand.
B
B
I
I
A
A
I
guess
you
do
need
a
little
more
space
to
some
degree,
but
a
smaller
space
could
be
uncrowded
from
time
to
time
and
therefore
it
would
be
I
think
I
mean
we
should
definitely
make
every
size
space
inclusive
as
well,
even
if
it's
tiny
but
yeah
I.
Think
especially
that's
where
nature
comes
in
when
when,
when
there's
enough
nature
that
usually
creates
a
space
that
is,
is
allows
for
that
escape.
A
I.
Think
the
larger
spaces
allow
a
child
who
might
need
to
withdraw
that
opportunity
to
find
that
especially
a
lot
of
times
the
calming
effect
of
touching
a
boulder
than
the
tactile
feedback
of
that
it
can
also
help
and
I
think
what's
important
about.
That,
too,
is
the
education
that
we
do
the
education.
That's
inherent
in
this
movement
allows
people
to
understand
that
their
actions
May
impact
their
friends
differently,
and
so
the
most
important
element
of
our
design
is
the
people.
A
J
I
A
Sometimes
I
remember
to
point
out
a
gentleman
named
Phil
Bender
in
the
photo
I
share,
the
one
that
convince
me
of
what
to
do
with
the
rest
of
my
life
photo,
the
the
head
of
Maintenance
for
Portland
parks
and
rec
Phil
Bender
was
in
that
photo.
He
was
a
a
very
staunch
skeptic
of
what
we
were
doing
going
into
it
I'm
happy
to
share
that.
He
personally
gifted
me
the
wrench
that
I
used
to
dismantle
that
structure.
That's
a
that's
a
special
wrench,
I
yeah.
A
We
we
work
very
closely
with
maintenance
departments
in
our
design
process.
That's
a
natural
part
of
any
smart
municipalities
process
anyway
and
I.
Don't
think,
we've
decided
exactly
just
how
much
easier
or
how
much
more
challenging.
Overall
it
is,
but
long
term,
which
is
important
for
municipalities
to
think
about
long
term.
Our
Boulders
are
going
to
last
a
lot
longer
than
a
structure.
I
think
we
get
about
a
thousand
year
guarantee
on
a
boulder,
the
nice
thing
about
the
replacement
of
our
spaces,
and
we
haven't
actually
had
to
experience
this
yet.
A
But
it's
all
singular
pieces
and
that's
the
nice
thing
too,
when
a
structure
is
at
the
end
of
its
life
cycle,
sometimes
there's
parts
of
it
that
are
really
not
done
anymore,
but
you
just
really
usually
have
to
take
the
whole
thing
out
so
from
the
the
maintenance
and
build
side
at
least
there's
a
really
good
story.
There
I
think
it's
mostly
in
terms
of
that
cleanup
like.
If
we
put
a
lot
of
trees
in
there
there's
a
lot
of
fall
off.
A
It's
the
cleaning
up
that
small
amount
that
we
will
hear
about
from
time
to
time.
I've
heard
especially
about
that
with
schools.
Schoolyards
are
just
devoid
of
trees
and
I've
heard
they
want.
They
don't
want
the
trees
that
we
want
in
there
because
of
the
maintenance
department
and
I,
usually
just
raise
my
hand
and
ask:
are
we
designing
schools
for
the
maintenance
department
or
for
the
children,
because,
like
yeah?
Let's,
let's
get
back
to
the?
Why?
K
That
is
really
foundational
for
processing
a
lot
of
information
and
also
it's
good
that
it's
not
real
grass,
because
there's
a
lot
of
allergies
to
real
grass.
So
for
many
reasons
it's
a
good
good
thing
and
a
lot
of
tactile
input
from
that
and
I,
don't
I
know
I
arrived
late,
so
I
don't
know.
Did
you
talk
at
all
about
swings
on
the
playground?
Is
that
something
that
you
typically
put
in
your
playgrounds?
Because
I
know
schools
are
taking
them
all
away
and
I'm
curious
about
your?
You
know
your
ideas
with
that.
A
Am
I
I'm,
honoring?
Okay,
thank
you
awesome.
Thank
you,
so
I
think
all
told
I'm
going
to
take
you
through
104,
slides
and
so
I,
always
I'm,
even
cutting
a
few
out.
Believe
it
or
not,
swings
are
yes.
In
fact,
you
can
see
them
in
the
image
right,
yeah
right.
Actually
the
s
in
the
question
mark
swings
are
important.
Spin
spinning
is
important,
climbing.
So
beyond
the
hill
we
have
climbing
pieces
bouncing
as
well
so
yeah,
but
swinging
is
the
number
one
most
important
and
we
always
have
swings.
K
C
K
A
The
this
is
a
this
is
an
illustration
of
our
first
one,
so
it
does
give
you
a
good
sense
of
what
is
in
there
and
you
can
see.
There's
a
group
swing
at
the
lower
left,
although
there's
one
child
in
this
image
shown
in
it,
that's
the
one.
I
showed
the
image
of
a
child
sitting
on
a
swing
and
her
friend
in
a
wheelchair
and
they're.
A
L
Where
am
I
dogging
okay,
I'm
Cordelia
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
Parkour
Visions,
which
is
a
local
non-profit
as
well.
We
also
run
programs
in
Portland
and
run
kids
programs
in
Esther,
Short
Park
up
in
Vancouver
or
down
in
Vancouver,
so
nice,
it's
great
to
meet
you
I'm
sort
of
curious
about
the
scope
of
this
project.
I
really
resonate
a
lot
with
what
you've
said
between
our
non-profits.
Even
down
to
you
know,
one
of
our
coaches
is
legally
blind.
L
A
Awesome,
congratulations
I'm
really
proud
that
the
first
Park
we
built
was
embraced
by
the
local
parkour
movement
that
was
happening
in
that
neighborhood.
Actually,
at
the
time
and
older
kids,
parkour
kids
were
teaching
younger
kids
how
to
do
parkour,
they
loved
the
hill.
If
you
time
it
right
and
you
get
enough
speed,
you
can
leap
from
one
end
of
the
hill
to
the
other
and
Tuck
into
a
roll,
more
photos
that
I've
removed
or
a
time
where
I
came
up
short
on.
A
One
of
those
there's
photo
evidence
of
coming
up
short
is
hard,
but
I've
even
seen
them
also
use
the
trees
and
they'll
get
ahead
of
steam
up
and
run
up
a
tree
and
do
a
backflip
off
of
a
tree.
So
we
love
that
they
are
already
embracing
it
and
I
I
think
I'm
familiar
with
either
you
guys,
or
at
least
Park
there's
parkour,
specific
structures
that
are
now
being
designed.
That
would
absolutely
that
in
our
in
our
design,
scope
but
I'm,
finding
them
use
the
entire
typography
already
and
I
think.
A
H
Hi
I'm
Becky
Catlett
I'm
on
the
board
and
I'm
physical
therapist
I
love
the
idea
of
inclusive
designs
so
exciting.
To
me,
one
of
the
things
I
do
have
concerns
about
especially
I'm.
Coming
from
a
sports
medicine
background.
It's
just
making
sure
we
get
the
material
usage
right
mainly
being
concerned
about
the
Synthetic
Turf,
and
we
know
that
that
has
led
to
some
cancer
risk
and
is
not
good
for
the
neurological
system
which
a
lot
of
these
kids
are
already
impacted.
So
I
know,
there's
some
better
materials
coming
on
the
market.
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
am
familiar
with
I
think
it
was
one
goalie
right.
It
was
a
soccer
goalie,
yeah
yeah.
My
understanding
is
that
is
a
a
rubber
infill
that
is
no
longer
used
that
was
associated
with
that
and
not
necessarily
the
grass
itself
yeah
yeah.
So
we're
not.
We
don't
use
that
rubber
ourselves
and
I
think
it's
been
mostly
eliminated
and
I
think
so.
Yeah.
Ultimately,
I
was
familiar
with
that
story.
A
I
think
that
story
broke
around
the
time
we
opened
the
first
one,
not
my
favorite
day
in
this
journey,
but
I
think
even
you
know
above
my
pay
scale
in
terms
of
who's
working
on
these
things
and
we're
aware
of
but
yeah
I
mean
I
think.
Are
there
any
other
I'd
be
curious
if
there
are
any
other
beyond
that
story
of
other
concerns
about
material
choices.
A
H
That
has
nothing
to
do
with
that,
but
so
my
second
question
is
we:
you
talked
a
lot
about
disability,
and
certainly
that
fits
with
your
story,
but
we
also
want
to
think
about
inviting
all
ages
and
all
ethnicities
backgrounds,
especially
our
black
and
brown
communities.
How
do
we
make
them
more
comfortable
in
our
spaces,
so
I'm
sure
that
you're
doing
this
work
and
it
didn't
make
it
into
the
slides
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
more.
A
A
A
Our
next
project,
beyond
the
two
up
here
is
in
Selma
Alabama.
We
were
called
to
action
by
what
will
become
John,
Lewis
playground,
and
that
was
important
to
us
because
of
the
social
justice
component,
but
I
think
it
also
is
just
in
every
every
community
granularly
that
everybody
involved
is
ensuring.
A
It
is
thinking
about
everybody
and
that
even
just
really
extends
to
like
who
you
invite
to
the
events
and,
and
so
we
are
encouraging
of
it,
and
we
do
the
best
we
we
can
I
think
and
but
yes
well
aware
of
an
ability
to.
Of
course,
do
better
all
the
time
two
good
zingers
you
gave
me
and
I
appreciate
it.
D
A
Good
yeah,
all
good
I,
think
I'll
just
share
again
I
think
that's
where
using
nature
comes
in.
We
all
of
any
background
can
and
should
be
connected
to
Nature
more
I
mean
I.
Think
the
communities
that
you're
talking
about
often
are
have
less
of
that
and
again
they
usually
there's
a
higher
percentage
chance
that
they'll
have
a
connection
to
disability
too.
So
inherently
it's
connected.
A
N
Hi,
my
name
is
Darcy
I'm
with
Northwest
child,
and
we
work
with
people
with
disabilities
age.
Five
two
I
think
our
oldest
student
is
in
their
40s,
going
to
playgrounds
going
City
to
City.
Our
staff
were
almost
like,
like
laser
focused
on
the
parks
that
are
not
even
just
inclusive,
but
where
our
larger
bodied
students
can
go,
be
a
part
of
it
and
just
be
kind
of
with
everybody.
N
M
N
A
N
Of
getting
to
it
physically
getting
there
and
also
the
time
spent
so
and
again
we
work
with
kids
with
autism,
kids
with
cerebral
palsy,
so
those
that
don't
want
to
interact
or
this
the
noise
level
is
difficult
yep.
They
do
naturally
go
to
places
in
that
area
that
are
more
comfortable
for
them.
So
to
me,
that's
amazing.
A
Thank
you,
yeah
and
I.
Think
I
hopefully
touched
on
the
fact
that
we
have
found
our
spaces
much
more
inviting
to
people
of
all
ages,
myself
included
as
a
now
almost
Elder
Elder
I'm
an
elder
and
that's
what
we
actually
focus
on
providing
more
seating
than
you
might
ever
have
imagined
it
turns
out.
You
can
never
put
too
much
seating
into
a
public
space.
A
We
use
a
lot
of
times
concrete
walls
which
are
nice
because
they
are
especially
playable,
and
so
we
think
about
multi-purpose
quite
a
bit
and
that's
again
where
the
artwork
and
more
nature,
it
just
doesn't
feel
like
a
playground
that
wouldn't
be
accepting
or
inviting
to
people
of
all
ages.
Inclusive
means
everybody.
It
just
has
to.
F
Why
not
ask
another
one
right
so
I'm
I'm
here,
there's
so
much
like
positive
impact
and
clearly,
like
you
know,
the
people
who
use
these
Parks
love
them?
Is
there
ever
any
pushback
I
mean
at
any
stage
of
like
the
design
or
the
building
or
the
community
feedback,
and,
and
if
so
like,
does
that
eventually
die
down
once
the
once
these?
These
playgrounds
are
open
and
people
are
using
them.
A
Yeah,
that's
a
great
one.
I
love
this
topic,
especially
in
the
early
days,
but
it
still
happens.
You
show
up
to
a
meeting
and
the
somebody
comes
with
the
ax
to
grind
I
have
found
It's,
usually
the
dog
people
I'm
a
dog
person
myself
and
that's
maybe
there's
just
a
concern
of
losing
some
territory
or
something
like
that.
A
Perhaps
but
every
everyone
can
cohabitate
for
sure
there
are
occasionally
people
who
come
they
they
believe
the
structure
is
great,
they're
decided
they
like
the
structure
and
they
think
that
their
child
is
going
to
lose
out
in
favor
of
someone
like
Harper
they're
as
like
a
scarcity
mentality,
almost
they're,
just
not
really
educated.
Yet
on
the
difference
and
that
ex
that
happened
on
the
very
first
playground
we
designed
I
had
a
gentleman
come
to
me
and
say:
hey
no
offense,
like
you
know,
your
daughter
seems
nice
and
all
but
like.
A
It's
always
an
adult
in
the
room
who
thinks
well,
we've
gotta
we've
gotta
find
a
way
to
make
it
more
playable
for
kids
without
disabilities.
So,
let's
compromise
something
for
those
kids
with
disabilities
and
like
do
you
hear
your
your
kid
is
actually
saying:
don't
do
that
right
because,
like
they
don't
want
to
do
that
and
there
is
no
compromise
but
yeah,
so
we
experienced
it
from
time
to
time
from
people
who
have
a
preconceived
notion.
A
A
So
far,
we
have
had
no
experience
with
anyone
saying
like
we
missed
that
structure
why'd
you
do
that!
Never
not
not
even
close.
It's
all
just
been
like.
We
love
this
space.
So
much
and
again,
it's
because
again
to
be
clear:
it's
not
it's
really
about
what
we
put
into
the
spaces,
it's
that
it
invites
a
wider
variety
of
people
into
them
and
they
connect
together
and
that's
what
people
want
back
to
that
social
isolation.
Stuff
I
was
talking
about.
A
D
They
kind
of
lose
that
motion
for
you
know
in
their
sense
of
balance.
Yes,
please
come
in
and
in
your
experience
with
this
because
you
said
this
is
for
people
with
all
disabilities
and
we're
all
going
to
be
disabled
at
some
point
at
what
point
do
you
see
seniors
and
the
elderly
coming
in
and
not
just
sitting
and
watching,
but
actually
using
some
of
the
equipment.
A
Yeah
wonderful
question:
everyone,
if
you
don't
mind
me
pausing
the
answer
to
welcome
my
wife
and
my
two
daughters
to
the
room
that
think.
Thank
you
so
yeah.
Well,
first,
they
are
they're
people
of
of
all
ages.
Elders
are
coming
into
the
spaces.
Far
more
often
they're,
you
usually
easily
utilizing
the
seating
areas
more
than
anything
for
sure
and
depending
on
our
ability
levels,
we'll
engage
even
more
but
I've
seen
them
get
down
onto
the
hill
and
roll
down.
A
A
I'll
share
with
you,
too
I
mentioned
the
public
support
we
received
for
the
first
project,
in
particular
the
very
first
I'm,
pretty
sure
it
was
the
very
first
letter
of
support
that
we
received
for
our
very
first
project
was
from
Elders
in
action,
and
we
didn't
solicit
it
from
them.
They
had
heard
about
what
we
were
doing
and
they
provided
us
a
letter
saying
that
they
wanted
it
to
come
to
life,
that
they
understood
the
importance
of
inclusive
spaces
for
elders.
So
it's
been
a
big
part
of
of
our
whole
journey
and
I.
A
A
It's
a
small
population
right,
so
you
know:
where
does
that
come
into
designing
and
you
don't
just
design
for
that
one
particular
individual
or
you're,
not
thinking
about
them,
you're
thinking
about
their
entire
network
of
friends
and
and
and
family
that
they're
in
a
real
part
of,
and
then
you
think
about
beyond
that,
the
whole
network
of
people
that
could
be
a
part
of
their
lives
if
they're
there.
So
that's
been.
A
Thank
you
for
having
me
I'm
always
asked
about
Harper
she's,
usually
not
in
the
room
when
I
do
this,
so
I
included
a
slide
of
showing
what
a
happy
teenager
she
is.
The
high
school
that
she
attends.
Skyview
High
School
in
Vancouver
recently
won
a
national
award
for
its
inclusive
programming.
She
is
both
a
cheerleader
and
a
member
of
the
soccer
team
in
inclusive
kids
of
different
abilities
together,
participating
I
was
asked
about
swings.
A
Now
she
Harper
has
taken
to
the
spinner
pretty
well,
but
it
used
to
be
all
she
cared
about
was
the
swing.
This
was
the
one
thing
she
would
use
in
the
playground.
Very
rarely
is
she
all
by
herself
on
occasion,
she's
mobbed,
like
a
celebrity
in
her
playground
and,
of
course,
selfishly
I
just
also
wanted
to
be
able
to
swing
with
her
back
to
Elders,
using
our
Parks.
Here's
an
Evidence
of
that,
but
I
really
want
to.
A
B
B
The
idea
of
this
project
is
to
identify
assess
sort
of
what
our
playground
structures
are
right
now
and
identify
two
of
those
playgrounds
for
a
smaller
sort
of
Harper's
playground
and
one
for
a
a
little
bit
larger
of
a
Harper's
playground,
so
that
are
that's
sort
of
the
next
steps
in
the
process,
we're
not
down
to
that
granular
level
yet
of
design
which
is
exciting.
That's
the
that's
the
really
exciting
stuff.
When
we
can
sit
down
and
do
the
charrettes
and
really
meet
with
you,
we
I
think
as
part
of
this
project.
B
We
will
be
you
know,
making
a
decision
on
on
two
of
those
those
play
grounds
and
then
we'll
be
doing
actual
workshops
at
those
playgrounds.
So
that'll
be
a
great
opportunity
for
our
next
touch
with
the
community,
but
again
thank
you
Cody
and
thank
you
all
for
attending
today.
We
really
appreciate
the
time
that
you've
spent
so
foreign.