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hyphen,
nope,
osec,
hyphen,
Zoom
meeting
ID,
nine,
seven
picks
four,
two.
Nine
five
zero
one
six
zero
and
the
call-in
number
is.
C
C
E
H
C
D
So
last
year
the
committee
very
kindly
supported
sb1173,
which
calls
on
the
California
state
Public
Employee
Pension
funds
to
divest
themselves
from
fossil
fuels.
That
bill
got
all
the
way
through
the
Senate
and
was
killed
in
the
assembly
by
one
Committee
Member.
A
committee
chair
who
refused
to
have
it
heard
that's
how
these
things
work.
Unfortunately,
the
bill
is
going
to
be
reintroduced
this
year.
Well
has
been
reintroduced
this
year.
A
A
Okay,
well,
first,
let
me
just
give
a
warm
welcome
to
our
Council
Liaisons.
Thank
you
for
joining
us.
We
have
two
items
to
discuss
with
you
this
evening.
The
first
is
the
Dark
Skies
certification.
So
there
was
a
staff
report
for
this
item
attached
to
the
packet.
I
won't
belabor
all
of
the
details
that
were
included
there,
but
did
want
to
kind
of
provide
a
high
level
overview.
A
So
at
our
osec
meeting
last
month
we
discussed
this
and
I
think
the
prevailing
opinion
from
osec
was
that
there
was
a
desire
to
move
forward
more
quickly
with
something
that
was
customized
to
Brisbane.
But
knowing
that
we
had
the
council
Liaisons
coming
this
month,
I
still
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
make
sure
that
had
the
policy
Direction
support
from
Council,
so
I
will,
at
this
point,
I
think
just
check
with
my
fellow
staff
members.
H
Yeah
I
I
think
that
what
you've
said
wasn't
quite
true,
at
least
not
from
my
understanding
or
memory
of
the
last
meeting.
My
understanding
and
memory
of
the
last
meeting
was
that
the
committee
wanted
to
move
forward
with
a
dark
skies
compliant
ordinance,
but
that
we
also
wanted
to
move
forward
quickly.
H
L
B
H
E
Michelle,
my
recollection
of
our
last
meeting
is
more
in
line
with
Barbara's
narrative,
which
was
the
committee
with
wanted
to
strive
for
a
dark
skies,
certification,
compliant
ordinance,
but
subject
to
us
having
guidance
from
our
Liaisons
because
of
the
cost
and
difficulty
for
a
city
staff
to
support
a
dark
skies,
compliant
ordinance
and
I.
Believe
that's
where
we
left
it
with
the
committee
wanting
to
move
forward
as
fast
as
we
can
with
the
Dark
Skies
compliant
ordinance.
E
C
M
D
The
reason
I
think
we
should
go
as
quickly
as
we
can
is
that
I
think
we
will
have
the
best
luck
in
reducing
light
pollution
by
preventing
the
installation
of
new
lights.
If
you
know
we
wait
another
year
and
at
the
pace
that
we
go
in
in
town
and
with
all
the
public
input,
there
will
be
and
pushback
about
stars
and
things
like
that.
I
think
it
could
easily
be
another
year
during
which
time
lots
more
people
and
businesses
will
install
nasty
LED
lights,
and
that
means
more
enforcement.
D
After
the
fact,
it's
going
to
cost
people
money
if
they
have
to
then
take
those
out
and
shade
them
or
whatever
they're
going
to
do
so.
I,
honestly,
don't
remember
what
the
sense
of
the
committee
was.
You
know
the
idea
of
certification
is
nice.
I
was
one
of
the
people
many
years
ago
that
suggested
that
we
work
on
Dark
Skies
in
Brisbane.
It's
very
important
to
me,
but
I
think
this
is
a
case
where
the
perfect
May
well
end
up
being
the
enemy
of
the
good.
D
C
M
I
Hey
everybody.
How
are
you
same
thing?
A
lot
of
respect
and
affection
from
my
my
fellow
committee
members,
but
I'm
right
there
with
Glenn
with
what
she
said
on
my
sense.
My
sense
when
we
left
it
that
I
remembered
I
thought
I
used.
I
was
the
one
that
used
the
phrase.
The
perfect
is
the
enemy,
the
good
that
we
were
all
going
to
say.
Yes,
let's
get
a
good
ordinance
together,
not
necessarily
perfect
and
not
get
bogged
down
in
certification
with
the
expense
and
the
time
I.
I
F
I
think
there
was
a
few
folks
before
me.
My
comments
are
very
quick:
okay,
I
mean
I
recall.
At
the
last
meeting
we
discussed
this
I
mean
we
were
I,
think
the
team
was
torn
between
being
certified
and
then
not
being
certified
and
recognizing
that
not
going
through
the
certification
process
would
save
a
lot
of
time
and
recognizing
that
there
was
a
lot
of
process
behind
that.
F
That
would
require
staff
time
as
well,
which
would
be
a
big
expense
so
and
and
recognizing
that
we
could
do
you
know
Brisbane
specific
ordinance.
That
would
would
speed
up
the
process
but
I
think
bottom
line.
We
wanted
to
run
that
by
our
Liaisons
to
see
how
they
feel
about
it
and
and
then
take
it
from
there
that
that's
my
memory.
So
thank.
C
G
Aaron
yeah,
so
I'm
I'm,
one
of
the
three
members
of
the
Dark
Skies
committee
and
I'm
also
the
newest
member
on
the
committee-
and
this
is
this-
is
honestly
the
hardest
subcommittee
that
I've
been
on
I.
Think
since
we
have
Council
liaison
here,
I
think
the
question
of
whether
or
not
to
go
for
dark
sky
certification.
Isn't
the
only
question
we
should
get
your
input
on
I
think
it's
also
important
to
get
your
appetite
on
how
much
staff
support
an
engagement.
G
You
guys
Envision
from
a
dark
skies
ordinance
because
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
on
the
permit.
Checking
compliance
enforcement
I
mean
it
could
be
a
lot
of
Staff
work
and
I
feel,
like
you
know,
there's
a
a
struggle
between
this
ordinance
and
staff
support
and
it's
not
going
to
pass
you
guys
without
staff
support
but
I
feel
like.
We
also
need
to
hear
from
you
what
resources
the
city
would
put
towards
staff
supporting
the
ordinance.
That's
it
thanks.
Yep.
K
Thank
you
not
to
talk
about
a
recollection,
but
I
just
went
back
and
looked
at
the
minutes
and
what
was
noted
if
they
are
correct.
Is
the
committee
reached
a
general
consensus
that
certification
is
not
the
goal
but
instead
a
strong,
locally
appropriate
ordinance
that
gets
as
close
to
certifiable
as
possible,
while
still
being
achievable,
for
staff
to
implement,
and
this
group
wished
to
discuss
with
the
council
Liaisons
of
the
next
meeting.
I
H
H
So
maybe
we
shouldn't
have
gone
down
this
road,
because
three
people
remember
it
differently
and
four
people.
Remember
it
the
other
way,
and
and
really
it
doesn't
matter,
because
the
important
thing
is
to
get
councils
Direction.
Yes,
the
one
of
the
problems
we
had
was
that
the
Malibu
ordinance
that
was
put
out
there
by
staff
is
very
much
a
peanut
butter
ordinance.
It
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
space
for
customization
for
Brisbane,
specific
I.
Think
if
we
actually
went
down
that
road
we'd
have
a
much
less
locally
specific
ordinance.
H
You
know
like
Christine,
has
posted
some
stuff
and
I.
Think
Tony's
posted
stuff
about
about
Dark
Skies
has
been
overwhelmingly
positive
and
I
think
you
know,
staff
seems
very
concerned
or
has
repeatedly
raised
the
concern
about
Community,
ongoing
Community,
Education
I.
Think
osec
can
add
something
to
our
booth
at
Community
Day
in
the
park,
and
then
we
have
to
do
one
other
thing.
I
think
a
lot
of
these
things
are
very
conquerable.
H
I
actually
went
through
and
made
a
list
of
everything
today,
but
I
think
that's
too
long
for
here.
Yes,
there
will
be
a
need
for
an
additional
staff
time,
but
I
was
thinking
really
hard
about
that
today,
and
I
was
thinking
that,
if
that
is
the
concern,
then
we
write
a
in
my
my
suggestion
and
I'm
just
going
to
put
that
that
there
for
everybody's
digestion
is
that
we
write
a
dark
skies
compliance
ordinance
and
pass
it
today
and
that
some
of
the
more
troublesome
things
burden
some
things
for
staff.
H
H
But
the
plan
checking
I
think
is
going
to
be
a
real
problem,
so
I
think
we
can
have
I
think
we
can
kind
of
have
both
honestly
and
I
think
there's
a
real
important
reason
to
write
a
dark
skies
compliant
ordinance,
and
that
is
that
it
is
science-based
and
nobody
on
this
committee
and
nobody
at
staff
is
a
certified
lighting
engineer.
So
when
we
make
compromises,
we
don't
always
know
the
impact
of
those
compromises.
H
So
I
think
that's
part
of
the
reason
that
the
three
of
us
are
much
more
interested
in
having
something
that's
actually
compliant.
Whether
or
not
we
seek
certification,
which
you
know
is,
is
a
whole
other
process
and
a
whole
nother
cost
and
a
whole
nother
hurdle.
But
if
we
write
it
to
be
compliant,
then
we
are
adhering
to
the
science
as
it
stands.
H
H
D
But
you
know
how
deeply
have
these
supporters
dug
into
the
certification
requirements
the
threat
to
the
Christmas
Stars,
the
requirements
that
will
be
imposed
on
commercial
people
and
and
I
think
emphatically
think
that
commercial
people
ought
to
be
subject
to
requirements.
I
mean
that
is
part
of
the
point,
but
how
much
pushback
do
we
want
to
get?
And
how
long
do
we
want
to
spend
debating
a
certification,
compliant
ordinance.
H
Can
I
can
answer
that
I
think
the
I
think
the
point
of
having
it
both
ways
is
to
pass
something
quickly
so
that
we
don't
have
new
lights
coming
in
and
then
you
know
if
we
have
a
long
phase
in
that,
has
really
made
the
pill,
go
down
much
easier
in
other
communities.
Sorry,
my
lights,
just
turned
off
so
I.
Think
that,
having
you
know
a
long
phase
in
for
the
commercial
to
and
remediate
existing
lights
is
going
to
make
that.
H
E
So
let's
do
it
whatever
it
is.
Let's
get
it
done,
I'm,
tired
of
seeing
you
know
the
crocker
Industrial
Park
look
like
Close
Encounters
of
the
Third
Time,
a
Third
Kind
every
night
when
I
come
home.
Okay,
I
am
tired
of
you
know.
Seeing
Hilary
Hill
lit
up
like
a
parking
lot
at
night
now,
I
am
tired
of
having
stray
lights.
You
know
everywhere.
You
know
it
just
needs
to
get
done
and
and
we
need
to
push
it
Forward
I
want
it
to
be
as
compliant
as
possible.
E
M
M
M
We
have
to
take
all
of
that
consideration.
So
that
being
said,
your
comments
have
been
really
valuable.
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
would
say
that
one
of
the
the
challenges
with
this
is
education,
because
there's
a
lot
of
people
that,
like
I,
do
you
watch
all
those
commercials
about
those
LED
lights.
You
got
to
light
up
the
sky.
M
You
drive
around
town
and
probably
probably
every
week,
I
see
a
new
LED
light
and
I'm
a
bit
horrified,
because
if
you
follow
Ida
news
releases,
it's
almost
over
the
past
10
years,
you
can
see
sometimes
10
percent
a
year.
The
light
increases
it's
just
it
it's
mind-boggling.
When
you
look
at
it
that
way,
and
most
people
will
say
why
do
you
need
a
dark
sky
zone
or
ordinance
or
any
kind
of
initiative
because
they
say
why
would
you?
Why
would
you
try
to
tell
me
what
to
do
with
that?
M
They
don't
realize
the
health
implications.
They
don't
realize
the
effect
on
the
environment
and
animals.
So
this
is
this
is
a
big
uphill
climb
in
terms
of
Education.
People
are
very
preoccupied
with
a
lot
of
things
in
their
lives.
Right
now,
and
in
some
ways
they
might
say,
I,
don't
care
about
this.
M
The
most
impact
on
I
would
agree
with
Glenn
Filman
that
catching
this
on
installation
is
really
a
place
to
do
it,
because
people
are
going
to
scream
about
having
to
change
lights
out
even
on
Commercial
properties,
and
yet
we
don't
want
to
make
this
to
where
we're
accused
of
stalling
plans,
because
of
just
the
preponderance
of
plan.
Checking
so,
first
of
all,
I
think
that
there
has
to
be
input
from
planning.
M
Okay,
you
get
something
in
the
blast
on
a
Friday
and
go
down
the
road
a
couple
months
months
and
it's
all
forgotten,
and
then
you
try
to
stir
up
the
interest
again
and
everybody's
moved
on
so
I
think.
If
this
was
to
be
a
campaign
or
an
initiative,
it
has
to
have
a
plan.
It
has
to
have
some
regularity
to
where
it's
it's
constantly
seen.
It
has
a
visibility,
it
has
some
sort
of
goals
and
maybe
that's
people
signing
pledges.
M
I,
don't
know
if
that's
putting
up
a
sign
that
I'm
Dark,
Skies,
compliant
or
or
that
I
care
about
sex,
guys,
I,
I,
don't
know
what
kind
of
ideas
you
might
have
on
that,
but
I
I
would
try
to
not
push
enforcement
on
residential,
yet
I
would
go
out
after
the
commercial
first
with
an
idea
that
residential
could
be
brought
in.
We
don't
have
as
much
residential
construction.
We
have
lots
of
commercial
construction
and
those
are
the
really
big
lights.
M
M
That
could
be
a
couple
years
out
yeah,
but
you
can
always
work
towards
that
goal
and
then
you
might
want
to
start
on
residential
as
residential
construction
picks
up,
but
it
has
to
begin
somewhere
and
I
applaud
all
your
efforts
and
certainly
you've,
all
been
made
more
aware.
I'm
sure
you've
talked
to
other
people
have
been
made
more
aware.
Our
staff
is
more
aware,
so
this
has
all
been
progress.
M
I
I,
don't
want
you
to
see
this
as
just
having
been
a
waste
of
time
or
a
dead
end,
because
I,
don't
think
that's
the
case
and
I
think
something
needs
to
happen
in
the
immediate.
But
what
you're
going
to
have
to
decide
tonight
is
how
far
it
can
go
and
you're
going
to
need
to
hear
from
staff
on
that
as
well.
What
is
possible,
so
that's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you
very
much.
L
L
B
I'm
I
can
I
can
give
some
more
information
about
that.
There
is
a
short
list,
that's
published
on
the
international
dark
sky
association
website,
but
yes,
Michelle
is
right.
There
are
at
this
point
only
two
communities
in
California
that
have
been
certified
they're,
both
situated
in
unincorporated
San,
Diego
County,
and
they
achieve
certification
with
the
same
ordinance.
Both
of
them
are
also
in
close
proximity
to
Anza
Borrego
State
Desert
Park,
which
has
12
Wilderness
areas.
H
H
L
I,
just
I
was
just
asking
the
question
so
when
staff
mentioned
that
there
would
be
pressure
on
permittee
and
applicants,
don't
we
Source
out
a
lot
of
our
plan
check
issues,
and
so,
if
we
were
to
have
something
for
new
applicants,
wouldn't
that
be
fairly
easy
to
put
those
parameters
into
our
zoning
codes
so
that
when
it
came
before
plan
check,
it
would
be
checking
off
those
boxes.
Or
would
it
truly
be
an
issue
for
applicants
to
be
compliant
with
whatever
our
new
codes
would
be.
N
Sure
I'm
happy
to
give
a
perspective
on
both
building
and
planning
a
plan
check
process,
so
any
lighting
regulations
that
we
do
end
up,
adopting
dark
sky
certified
or
otherwise
they
are
going
to
impose
new
requirements
on
applicants
both
residential
and
Commercial.
There
will
be
more
information
that
they
need
to
show
in
their
application,
and
there
will
be
you
know,
to
a
certain
level,
just
a
lot
more
work
that
goes
into
the
materials
they
provide
to
us
and
then
on
the
plan
Checkers
side.
N
Obviously
we
will
need
to
train
our
third
party
building
plan
Checkers
and
our
you
know
if
there's
zoning
related
requirements
as
well,
our
planners
who
provide
the
zoning
plan
check
as
well.
So
we
know
that,
regardless
of
whether
we're
in
dark
sky
certified
ordinance
or
a
customized,
Brisbane
specific
ordinance,
we're
going
to
have
new
training
and
knowledge,
that's
going
to
have
to
to
be
invested
in
our
plan
Checkers
regardless.
O
N
N
We
had,
you
know,
reviewed
the
requirements
for
a
dark
sky,
certified
ordinance
and
the
scale
and
scope
of
projects
was
really
broad.
It
was
a
big
net
and
that's
where
kind
of
we
identified
some
concern
with
you
know.
Projects
that
were
typically
smaller
in
scale
would
have
requirements
that
were
fairly.
You
know
onerous,
which
again
that's
not
a
bad
thing.
It's
just
a
something
that
typically
would
not
require
as
much
supporting
documentation
on
the
part
of
applicants
would
now
require
more
supporting
documentation
and
perhaps
more
professional
plans
that
wouldn't
otherwise
be
required.
N
That
goes
along
with
any
kind
of
of
lighting
ordinance
that
we
end
up
adopting
it's
again,
we're
just
concerned
with
there's
that
much
more
I
say
I
want
to
say
burden
some
of
requirements
that
apply
with
the
Dark
Skies,
fully
compliant
ordinance
versus
where
we
think
we
could
have
a
compromise
that
hits
those
big
players
like
you
guys
were
mentioning.
You
know
the
commercial
properties
that
can
get
you
know
95
or
99
of
the
nuisance
lighting
under
control
there,
without
catching
those
kind
of
smaller
fish
in
the
same
net.
N
L
L
We
could
have
an
LED
light
that
we
purchased,
that
we
can
leave
on
24,
7.
and
use
the
same
amount
of
power
that
we
used
to
do
with
incandescents
and
a
lot
less
cost.
And
so
people
seem
to
think
that
lighting
is
cheaper.
Now
and
really.
The
impacts
of
lighting
are
more
because
the
brightness
and
the
cost
has
gone
down
with
LED
people.
Don't
think
they
need
to
turn
off
their
lights
anymore,
because
they're
so
cheap
to
operate.
L
So
what
can
we
do
now
and
how
do
we
achieve?
You
know
some
sort
of
recourse
on
projects.
I
think
that
I
would
hope
that
the
osac
could
come
up
with
a
ordinance
that
would
certainly
address
upcoming
projects,
especially
commercial
and
focus
on
those
to
be
compliant
and
then
phase
in
compliance
with
existing
commercial
and
with,
and
also
be
on
top
of
new
construction
in
the
residential
and
phase
in
the
existing
lighting.
L
That's
there,
and
so
that
we
could
be
a
little
bit
more
softer
on
our
approach
and
get
buy-in
not
seeing
all
the
commercial
light,
not
seeing
all
the
city
lights,
and
you
know
just
the
cost
of
the
city
to
retrofit
or
do
what
they
need
to
do.
A
lot
of
people
are
going
to
come
back
with
safety
issues.
L
L
L
So
I
would
you
know,
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
try
to
get
something
on
the
books
before
all
our
projects
come
down.
As
far
as
you
know,
big
things
coming
in
the
city,
Sierra
Point,
the
Quarry
Bay
lands
that
we
make
sure
that
we
have
those
tamped
down,
because
if
they
those
go
in
before
we
have
any
ordinance,
it's
going
to
be
difficult
to
fight
that
battle
and
again,
I.
L
Think
that
a
more
middle
of
the
road
approach
and
I
hate
to
say
that,
because
I'd
love
to
see
half
the
lights,
dimmed
or
turned
off
I
think
we're.
Gonna
have
to
go
with
the
more
middle
of
the
road
approach
to
be
able
to
get
this
through
and
get
it
operable
in
a
time
frame.
That
makes
sense
where
it's
going
to
have
a
bigger
impact.
H
H
Yeah
and
I
think
I
think
phasing
in
is
going
to
really
be
key
so
that
we
can,
you
know
just
be
so
that
it's
digestible
by
everybody
right
and
we
start
with
the
new
commercial
and
then
we
either
start
with
new
residential
or
move
on
to
existing
commercial.
You
know
one
of
the
and
then
existing
residential
course
be
last
positions.
H
Number
two
and
three
are
up
for
grabs
depending
on
what
people,
what
the
perception
is
going
to
be
the
biggest
bang
for
the
buck,
but
yeah
I
mean
I
feel
like
this
is
all
very
doable
and
we
just
need
a
direction
from
Council
and
and
and
we're
hearing
that
some
of
the
stuff
is
going
to
be
kind
of
burdensome.
You
know,
but
I
think
I
think
something
that's
maybe
being
overlooked
is
that
the
burden
is
somewhat
scaled
to
the
automatically
scaled
to
the
project.
H
In
so
much
as
like
a
little
house,
a
little
600
square
foot
house
isn't
going
to
have
that
much
lighting,
so
they're
not
going
to
have
that
big
of
a
project
whereas,
like
a
huge
commercial
installation
like
a
big
commercial
development,
is
going
to
have
a
lot
of
lights
and
it's
going
to
have
a
bigger
burden,
and
so
you
know
I
think
I.
Think
for
me.
My
Hope
Is,
that's
going
to
be
less
of
a
concern,
but
it
is
a
concern
that
I
hear
and
a
concern
that
we
would
like
to
address.
A
Obviously,
there's
still
public
process
that
needs
that
that
we
need
to
go
through,
and
there
may
be
a
few
small
details
that
we
still
need
to
work
out
with
the
subcommittee,
but
the
ordinance
is
largely
drafted
by
staff
meets
many
of
this
requirements.
Just
you
know
discussion
here,
I
don't
have
we
seen
that
it
has
been
shared
with
the
subcommittee
damn.
A
It
was
based
on
Malibu
and
we
very
staff
actually
Rachel
did
an
excellent
job,
I
thought
of
very
clearly
detailing
where
we
were
departing
from
Malibu
and
where
there
were
variations
between
what
staff
was
recommending
and
what
would
be
dark
sky
compliant
so
that
that
has
all
been
laid
out.
I
think
in
a
very
detailed
way-
and
you
know
we
think
if
you
know,
based
on
what
I'm
hearing
so
far,
that
we
could
move
forward
with.
H
J
C
F
Also
hearing
that
to
get
more
bang
for
our
buck
is
to
hit
new
commercial
being
the
priority
one
then
existing
commercial,
Priority,
two
and
then
once
we
have
that
in
place,
then
start
hitting
new
residential
and
then
existing
residential
and
I
mean
we
can
go
on
forever
this
evening.
But
that's
that's
what
I'm
hearing
and
I
I'm
proposing
that
that's
how
we
present
it
to
Council
in
a
prioritized
matter
and
take
it
from
there.
F
G
So
I
wrote
some
notes
to
myself
and
it
started
out
thanking
Terry
and
Colleen
for
your
feedback.
I
think
that
that's
really
valuable
for
us
moving
forward.
As
you
can
tell
there's,
you
know
a
lot
of
opinions
and
a
lot
of
feelings
on
what
we
should
be
doing
and
just
having
some
direction
is
really
helpful
and
then
I
want
to
thank
Mary
for
providing
an
excellent
synopsis,
because
that's
kind
of
what
I
was
thinking.
But
it's
nice
to
you
know,
hear
hear
everything
ball
together
with
that.
G
The
one
thing
I
have
is:
if
we
have
prioritize
the
order
in
which
this
happens
and
we're
phasing
this
in,
does
that
happen
in
one
ordinance
or
are
we
going
to
bring
you
part
a
commercial
and
then
Part
B
new
Resident
does?
Does
that
make
sense?
I'm
just
I,
don't
know
how
the
best
way
to
proceed
is
and
so
I'm
kind
of
curious
and
whether
that's
from
our
Council
Liaisons
or
staff
I
just
curious.
M
A
C
N
E
Have
some
phased
approaches
in
terms
of
compliance,
but
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that,
for
both
commercial
and
residential,
that
we
have
a
fast
track
for
complaint
based
compliance
and
not
necessarily
in
the
quote-unquote
phased
kind
of
thing,
because
I
know
that
there
are
certain
situations
that
are
exacerbated
and
where
someone's
like
blasting
light
all
over
the
place,
and-
and
some
of
this
you
know
like
I'm,
sorry
Mission
Bluefield.
Why
are
the
lights
on
at
10
o'clock
at
night
when
it's
pouring
rain?
E
You
know
yeah,
that's
a
city
property,
but
I
do
think
that
that
Expediting,
a
an
ordinance
at
this
point
is
great
sooner,
is
better
and
I.
Absolutely
think
that,
though
we
should
have
some
accommodation
for
complaint
based
I
mean
someone
automatically
puts
up
the
some
big
light
that
shines
right
in
your
window,
because
it
goes
on
every
time
a
raccoon
walks
by
it
needs
to
be
addressed.
L
L
You
know,
granted
nobody's
going
to
be
completely
happy
with
any
of
it
to
bring
it
forward
to
us
so
that
we
can
actually
get
this
ball
rolling
before
you
know
too
many
other
projects
are
are
fast-tracked,
so
that
would
be
my
goal
of
of
this,
and
you
know
certainly
the
opinion
that
you
know
I've,
given
on
what
I'd
like
to
see.
I
think
new
construction
should
take
precedent
over
existing
lighting,
whether
it
be
commercial
or
residential.
I.
Think
that
you
know
certainly
a
new
residential
project.
M
I
would
say
part
of
the
heavy
lifting
on
acceptance
of
an
ordinance.
I
would
just
strongly
recommend
that
anything
that
you
bring
to
the
council
address
the
safety
issue,
because
that's
going
to
be
one
thing
that
you're
going
to
get
the
biggest
pushback
and
the
council
is
going
to
listen
to
citizens
who
are
going
to
say,
I've
got
to
have
all
of
this
light,
and
there
there's
plenty
of
studies
done
on
how
many
lumens
and
then
beyond
that
people
will
insist.
It
has
to
be
even
brighter
and
it
does
nothing.
M
M
So
I
would
put
some
real
heavy
emphasis
on
on
coming
with
the
reasons
behind
this,
and,
if
you
just
make
it
all
environmental
I
think
again,
people
are
going
to
say
I'm
not
going
to
spend
money
for
this
I've
got
too
many
other
costs.
So
it's
going
to
have
to
have
some
very
good
arguments
for
adoption.
M
H
Oh
I
was
just
gonna,
say,
I.
Think
I.
Think
these
safety
concerns
is
a
reason
to
get
as
close
to
Ida
certifiable
as
possible,
because
that's
all
science
and
that's
all
like
they
have
the
documentation
that
the
these
these.
If
you
follow
these
light
formulations,
then
it's
still
safe,
but
I
I
need
to
see
staff's
thing
somehow
that
got
buried
and
there
was
one
other
thing.
I
was
going
to
say
for
calling
that
Colleen
just
mentioned,
but
I'm
just
going
to
drop
it.
Thank
you.
H
E
Based
on
the
feedback
that
we
got
today
from
the
city
council
Liaisons,
we
are
going
to
do
the
best
we
can
to
put
together
an
ordinance,
we're
going
to
review
the
one
that
staff
has
presented
to
us
and
make
the
modifications
that
we
need
to
feel
satisfied
with
and
put
it
forth
to
the
council.
I
would
like
this
done
done.
E
D
I
was
going
to
Echo
Michelle,
pretty
much
I
think
that
we
should
at
least
at
our
next
meeting
review
a
tweaked
ordinance,
and
it
sounds
like
a
good
starting
point
is
the
one
that
has
been
put
together
by
staff
since
staff
feels
that
it's
manageable
and
the
two
tweaks
that
I'm
hearing
seem
to
be
most
apropos
are
prioritization
of
new
projects,
both
commercial
and
residential
and
I.
Also
very
much
like
Michelle's
suggestion
of
complaint
based
I
I
forget
what
you
called
it
Michelle,
the.
D
H
C
I
J
I
I
wanted
to
thank
our
two
liaison
I
thought.
It
was
amazing
what
both
the
mayor
and
Terry
said
about
getting
the
public
buy-in
and
the
points
that
were
brought
up
there.
Everybody
here
seems
to
want
to
go
fast,
I,
move
that
we
move
on
and
look
at
the
staff
thing
and
start
with
the
big
bang
for
the
buck
for
the
new
new
industrial
stuff
and
I,
move
that
we
move
on
from
here,
because
it's
turning
into
a
sinkhole
right
now.
So
thank
you,
though,
for
coming
for
we.
M
E
M
A
A
M
A
Well,
generally,
we
have
been
working
through
policy
recommendations
of
that
sort
with
input
from
the
committee,
so
we
actually
have
a
subcommittee
that
is
looking
at
existing
building
reach
codes
that
is
Aaron,
Barbara
and
Glenn.
That's
discussed
that
in
the
past
and
is
is
something
we're
continuing
to
work
forward
through,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
we
have
Community
input
on
whatever
recommendations
we
would
bring
forward.
Okay,.
L
A
I
suppose
I
can
try,
although
I'm
hoping
that
maybe
committee
members
that
asked
for
this
to
be
on
here
can
can
add
to
it
generally
as
a
development
proposal.
The
open
space
and
ecology
committee
would
not
have
a
formal
role
in
review,
and
so
the
the
committee
has
requested
to
have
some
role
in
that
review.
H
Of
course,
we
don't
have
any
any
authority
authority,
no
decision
making
power
over
any
planning
project
the
way
that
the
Planning
Commission
does,
but
we've
we've
generally
stuck
our
fingers
in
that
pie
and
wiggled
around
the
plums
just
to
see.
If
we
could
improve
the
project,
make
suggestions,
maybe
things
that
developers
don't
think
about,
because
developers
often
think
that
the
you
know
the
way
that
their
project
interacts
with
the
environment
is
just
like
not
even
on
their
plates.
E
Arm
of
the
council,
I
I
do
feel
that
we
shouldn't
be
involved
in
this
process
and
I
think
it's
important,
and
this
is
a
massive
massive
development
that
has
implications
for
the
hcp,
has
implications
for
County
Parks.
It
has
implications
of
whether
you
know
this
is
annexed
into
the
city
of
Brisbane.
It
will
be
if
it
if
the
project
moves
forward,
but
I
have
questions
about.
E
You
know
the
feasibility
and
reasonableness
of
the
project
moving
forward
and
the
impacts
it
will
have
on
our
environment,
open
space,
ecology,
citizens
of
Brisbane,
so
I
I
do
think
that
we
should
have
some
input
on
this.
If,
at
the
council's
pleasure,
thank
you
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
left
to
staff.
I
think
that
the
people
citizens
citizens
committee
needs
to
have
some
feedback
on
this.
Thank
you.
K
Mute,
it
again
was
not
Staffing
the
osac
committee
at
the
time,
but
just
to
provide
the
history,
and
probably
the
council
Liaisons
already
know
this,
but
at.
However,
the
request
was
made.
There
was
a
formal
action
by
the
council
to
have
the
open
space
and
ecology
committee
have
a
Revolt
a
role
in
reviewing
the
balance
eir
as
opposed
to
members
doing
it
as
they
have
a
right
to
his
residents.
So
I
I
think
this
request
is
similar
to
that.
K
C
L
Yes,
thank
you
personally.
I
would
like
this
specific
question
to
be
brought
up,
and
perhaps
clay
can
help
with
this
in
mayor
council
matters
at
our
next
meeting,
where
we
can
bring
it
up
and
make
a
decision.
As
a
council
I
mean
I
support
our
committees
and
commissions
weighing
in
on
developments,
but
I
think
that
it's
something
that
should
be
discussed
at
the
entire
Council
level.
P
Foreign,
we
can
certainly
do
that
councilman,
O'connell
I,
think
in
the
Karen
referred
to
it.
What
we
did
in
the
past
was
have
the
committee's
review,
the
eir
document
and
within
that
timeline
and
Frank
time
frame,
provide
comment
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
a
more
seamless
approach
to
the
process,
and
certainly
some
I
think
staff
would
be
supportive
of.
M
M
C
D
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
my
recollection
is
that
osec,
when,
when
we
looked
at
the
bay
lands,
that
osec
was
involved
in
scoping,
and
that
is
actually
one
of
the
more
important
parts
of
an
environmental
review,
because
it
lays
out
the
questions
that
should
be
asked
in
the
course
of
the
preparation
of
the
eir
and
I.
Think.
P
P
E
I'd
just
like
to
comment
that
I
made
several
comments
on
the
initial
scoping
of
the
NOP
as
a
private
citizen
and
also
as
part
of
San
Bruno
Mountain
watch,
but
in
December
an
actual
plan
as
opposed
to
a
whatever
you
call.
It
was
filed
with
another
NOP
right
at
Christmas
right
around
Christmas,
and
it
was
noticed,
but
really
people
didn't
have
an
opportunity
to
know
it
and
respond
to
it
and
I
think
that
that
should
be
reopened
for
more
scoping
and
I
also
feel
for
the
public
to
be
more
noticed.
E
I
think
that
it
was
kind
of
like
not
really
good
to
do
that
during
Christmas
when
everyone
was
on.
You
know,
holiday
mode,
so
yeah
that
that's
very
recent.
The
the
original
scoping
was
quite
a
couple
of
months
ago
earlier
so
I
kind
of
have
a
problem
with
that
and
I
don't
feel
that
it
was
very
transparent
and
there
are
other
things
going
on
that
I,
don't
feel
are
very
transparent
as
well
in,
in
particular
changes
to
the
habitat
conservation
plan.
E
So
I
really
do
feel
that
this
needs
to
be
brought
forward
to
the
public
and
and
that
osec
needs
to
have
a
voice
in
this,
as
well
as
more
transparency
in
the
process.
So
that's
that's
how
I
feel
about
it
and
I
hope
that
the
open
space
and
ecology
committee
and
the
council
feel
the
same
way.
Thank
you.
C
M
If
I
could
just
say,
I
think
the
work
that
osec
does
is
critically
important
and
it's
really
appreciated.
I
do
hope
some
time
this
year.
If
you
go
to
the
council,
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
you've
been
working
on,
just
because
I
think
you
you
deserve
that
that
Limelight
for
all
the
hard
work
that
you
do
behind
the
scenes
that
maybe
some
people
don't
follow
all
the
time
or
know
about
so
I'm
fine
with
your
work
plan
and
I
I
will
thank
you
again
for
inviting
us
tonight
and
councilmember
O'connell.
O
P
A
P
C
E
P
G
C
A
I
have
a
couple
they're,
pretty
quick,
some
of
them.
You
may
have
already
seen
some
news
about
so
construction
for
the
city
hall.
Ev
Chargers
is
complete,
we're
just
awaiting
chargie
to
complete
the
quality
assurance
and
certification
and
then
activate
and
we're
also
on
the
staff
side.
Assessing
pricing
Mission
blue
construction
is
expected
to
also
be
complete
at
the
end
of
this
week
or
early
next.
A
So
we've
now
gotten
four
heat
pump
water
heaters
for
City
facilities
at
no
cost
to
the
city,
which
is
excellent
wow
and
we
also
signed
the
PPA
or
power
purchase
agreement
contract
with
Peninsula
clean
energy
for
solar
at
Mission,
blue
Center
as
part
of
their
bulk
procurement
program,
so
lots
going
on
at
Mission,
blue
and
then
you
may
have
also
seen
that
or
actually
maybe
you
haven't
seen
yet
we
did
send
out
some
notices
of
violations
and
administrative
citations
regarding
SB
1383.
That's
the
state
Organics
law.
A
So
if
you
have
heard
from
any
of
your
friends
or
Neighbors
about
getting
a
letter
from
the
city,
they
do
need
to
sign
up
for
track
for
organic
waste
service
and,
yes,
scavenger
is
out
doing
lid
flipping.
So
you
do
also
need
to
sort
your
waste
properly.
So
we've
got
some
Communications
that
have
been
going
out
on
on
that
and
will
continue
to
and
I
think
that
was
everything
that
I
had.
D
I
just
wanted
to
ask
if
there's
been
any
news
about
an
estimate
for
of
the
cost
of
removing
invasives
from
city
property,
because
that's
one
of
the
things
that's
holding
up
the
invasive
species
ordinance
which
otherwise
I
think
is
kind
of
ready
to
go.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
we're
trying
to
figure
out
what
kind
of
timeline
we
need
to
include
in
that,
and
that
partly
depends
on
how
big
a
hit
the
city
is
going
to
have
to
take
to
remove
those
species,
and
I
also
wanted
to
ask
related
to
that.
D
A
A
Don't
have
those
details
in
front
of
me,
but
there
are
a
number
of
different
projects
they
mentioned
that
are
either
currently
moving
forward
or
are
planned
to
move
forward
at
particular
time
periods
as
appropriate
based
on
species
and
kind
of
their
staff
resources
and
funding,
so
I
think
they're,
they're
kind
of
the
way
they
presented
it
is.
We
know,
there's
always
more
to
do
we're,
trying
to
do
what
we
can
and
what
we
have
the
resources
to
do
and
prioritize
as
best
as
possible.
A
E
K
K
So,
to
jump
down
to
that
I've,
just
gotten
sorry
to
be
able
to
request,
quotes
so
I
don't
have
those
quotes.
The
the
subcommittee
had
as
a
majority
I
guess:
I,
don't
remember
what
everybody
particularly
was
was
hoping
for
wanted
to
have
city
property
follow
along
or
or
do
have
to
do
the
same
thing
that
the
public
would
have
to
do
in
an
ordinance,
even
if
the
timeline
were
different.
K
E
K
E
D
Yeah
I
was
just
going
to
say,
but
that's
where
the
timelines
need
to
be
written
into
the
ordinance,
and
so
that's
we're
trying
to
get
an
idea
of
what
those
timelines
ought
to
be.
The
city
is
facing
some
Financial
constraints,
which
I
understand
are
fairly
significant
and
so
we're
kind
of
holding
up
the
final
wording
of
the
ordinance,
which
I
believe
is
mostly
done
until
we
get
the
evaluation
of
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
the
city.
G
Yeah,
so
I
originally
was
fine
with
waiting
on
getting
cost
estimates
and
impact
estimates
from
the
city,
but
it
has
been
what
four
months
now
so
I
move.
No
I
propose
that
the
invasive
species
group
plans
a
meeting
for
the
coming
month,
so
that
we
can
flush
out
the
remaining
verbiage
of
the
draft
ordinance
and
decide
what
how
to
have
phase
timelines
for
the
city
and
possibly
other
highly
impacted
landowners.
So.
O
G
Might
be
that
there's
another
group
that
you
know
this
is
going
to
end
up
costing
them
a
lot.
We
don't
know
who
that
is
right
now,
but
there
should
be
a
you
know:
a
best
best
effort,
good
faith,
kind
of
plan
going
forward,
but
I
I
just
propose
we
meet
in
the
next
month
of
Flesh
this
out
and
not
do
it
during
the
osec
meeting,
yeah
I
agree.
K
E
A
Sure
I
I
actually
do
have
something
for
the
for
the
very
first
subcommittee
events.
Something
came
to
our
attention
in
the
last
yesterday.
Maybe
this
week
there
was
a
request
from
a
Community
member
through
I,
believe,
council
member
Lentz
and
Arielle
at
Mountain
watch
about
addressing
through
a
volunteer
day
trash
on
the
oh
gosh
Karen.
It's
been
a
long
night,
I'm
blanking
on
the
name
of
the
trail.
What
what's
the
name
of
the
trail?
Ranch
Old
Ranch?
A
A
Just
a
few
weeks
ago,
I'm
seeing
nods
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
guess
that
is
something
the
the
subcommittee
or
the
committee
supports,
so
that
that
was
all
for
that
and
then
did
want
to
just
acknowledge
that
we
had
a
really
nice
planting
day.
A
couple
weeks
ago
on
February
9th
we
had
I,
don't
know.
Probably
about
15
people
I
think
that
were.
A
E
E
Ariel
did
his
usual
amazing
magic
I
planted
one
plant
and
took
a
lot
of
pictures
because
I'm
getting
old
but
I
wish
more
members
had
of
osec
had
attended
because
it
really
was
a
stunningly
beautiful
view
from
up
on
callippi
Hill
looking
out
over
the
bay
and
the
mountain,
and
it
was
spectacular
and
I
cannot
wait
for
clippy
Hill
to
actually
be
inducted
into
the
county
park
someday
soon
so
and
Adrian.
Thank
you
for
participating
and
organizing
it
and
thanks
to
Jeff
as
well.
A
A
I
did
want
to
note
we
discussed
last
time.
We
disbanded
the
cap
subcommittee
and
we
talked
about
having
a
committee
focused
on
those
existing
building
reach
codes.
However,
technically
some
of
the
things
we've
talked
about
aren't
really
reach
codes
and
there
could
be
other
programmatic
ways
to
support
existing
building
decarbonization.
So
I
took
some
staff
liberties
with
the
naming
of
that
new
ad
hoc
subcommittee
and
just
called
it
building
decarbonization.
So
if
anybody
wants
to
suggest
an
alternate
name,
I'm
I'm
fine
with
that.
But
in
case
you
were
curious.
A
A
K
H
K
J
E
But
but
also
please,
let's
all
try
to
attend
Earth
Day,
please
put
it
on
your
calendars.
I
felt
so
lonely
without
any
of
my
other
subcommittee
or
committee
members.
When
we
did
the
planting
day,
it
was
just
so
beautiful.
So
please
put
that
on
your
calendar
and
invite
your
friends
it's
a
big
deal,
and
then
we
do
want
to
think
about
a
day
in
the
park,
and
we
also
have
our
summer
day
that
we
need
to
discuss
and
decide
on
as
well.
C
D
A
C
C
E
E
E
O
F
F
We've
received
a
quote
from
the
Consultants
which
we
should
meet
and
talk
about
what
the
next
steps
are
there,
but
I
do
have
a
request
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
already
been
cleared,
but
Paul
buscal
has
asked
the
city
to
clear
out:
there's
a
bunch
of
debris
at
the
beginning
of
the
frog
habitat
on
the
little
pie
shaped
area
where
we
would
like
to
plant
some
wildflowers
and
such
that
would
just
it's
icing
on
the
cake.
But
we
need
to
get
rid
of
that
debris
and
I
know.
F
F
C
F
C
F
I
F
J
K
E
I
F
C
F
K
Guess
so
frog
frog
habitat
the
the
resource,
Conservation
District
they've
just
contacted
us
that
they
are
freed
up
and
ready
to
kick
off
and
you
know
I
said:
do
you
do
you
need
a
kickoff
meeting
and
they
said
they're
gonna
meet
internally
and
let
us
know
soon,
so
they
haven't
really
started
much
before
now.
Okay,.
F
C
J
C
J
A
G
E
E
E
K
E
H
E
Please
everyone
come
to
the
March,
2nd
council
meeting
and
find
out
for
yourselves.
Yes,
there's
been
a
lot
of
swirl
a
lot
of
false
information
out
there,
Barbara's
done
a
good
job
of
trying
to
level
set
that
so
please
come
and
participate.
It's
a
master
Parks
plan
for
the
marina,
not
not
the
marina.
H
F
Science,
fair,
so
they
had
the
fair.
The
timeline
was
very
tight
this
year,
so
I
attended
the
judge's
night
and
I
picked
three
of
the
students
projects
that
deserve
the
osec
award.
However,
I
needed
the
student's
name
names
in
order
for
the
certificates
to
be
printed
so
I
called
Adrian
in
a
pan.
I
thought
I
said:
hey
it's.
F
You
know
I'm
at
the
judge's
night,
that's
on
I
was
on
a
Tuesday
night
and
the
awards
night
was
a
Thursday
night,
so
the
Joe
Condon
who's,
the
science
director
never
got
back
to
me
with
the
student's
name.
So
I
didn't
attend
Awards
night,
because
I
didn't
have
anything
to
give
out
because
I
didn't
know
the
names.
So
anyway,
I
I
sent
a
two
or
three
emails
asking
for
the
names
but
they're
on
break.