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From YouTube: Brisbane Planning Commission Meeting 08-24-2023
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Meeting Agenda: https://www.brisbaneca.org/bc-pc/page/planning-commission-meeting-124
00:00:00 Broadcast begins
CALL TO ORDER
00:01:30 ROLL CALL
ADOPTION OF AGENDA
CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Approval of draft meeting minutes of May 25, 2023
B. Approval of draft meeting minutes of June 8, 2023
00:02:57 ORAL COMMUNICATIONS (Limited to a total of 15 minutes)
00:04:45 WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
00:05:50 OLD BUSINESS
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NEW BUSINESS
00:06:00 C. PUBLIC HEARING: 5 Beatty Ave; 2023-UP-5, 2023-UP-6, 2023-EX-2; HC and C-1 districts; Baylands Interim Use Permit, Parking Modification Use Permit and Grading Permit to allow for parking of approximately 199 San Francisco District School buses and placement of an approximately 2,880 square foot office trailer for bus operations management on a 3.3 acre, gravel surfaced site, which was formerly used for San Francisco 49ers parking; with grading of approximately 493 cubic yards of cut and 240 cubic yards of fill to level certain settlement monitoring stations and soil berms; and finding that this project is categorically exempt from environmental review under CEQA Guidelines Section 15301 and 15304(a)(e); Travis Duncan, applicant; Baylands Development Inc. (BDI), owner.
01:04:37 D. PUBLIC HEARING: 3708 Bayshore Boulevard; Use Permit 2022-UP-7, Grading Review 2022-EX-5, Lot Merger 2022-LLA-3, Habitat Conservation Plan Compliance 2022-HCP- 1; SCRO-1 Zoning District; Expansion of the current contractor’s storage yard permitted under UP-9-12; and finding that this project is categorically exempt from environmental review under CEQA Guidelines Sections 15301 and 15311; Sean Brennan, applicant; MK Yard LLC, owner.
02:31:00 ITEMS INITIATED BY STAFF
02:31:20 ITEMS INITIATED BY THE COMMISSION
ADJOURNMENT
E. Adjournment to the regular meeting of September 14, 2023
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H
Thank
you,
chair
and
commission.
The
applicant
requests
approval
of
a
minimum
use
permit
to
allow
Zoom
to
park
approximately
199
San
Francisco
School
Bus
District
buses
on
the
roughly
3.3
Acre
Site
five-year
term
is
requested.
The
site
is
located,
Atop
The
Baylands
landfill,
which
was
closed
operations
in
the
1960s.
H
The
buses
would
range
in
size
from
minivans
shuttle,
buses
and
shuttle
buses
up
to
standard
School
Bus
size,
but
the
majority
being
in
the
small
to
mid-size
range,
less
than
23
feet
in
length
and
that's
to
serve
San
Francisco's,
Urban
neighborhoods
and
approximately
2
800
square
foot
office.
Trailer
would
be
placed
at
the
site
as
a
bus
operations
management
office,
and
that
would
serve
approximately
10
people,
along
with
the
request
for
an
interim
use,
permit
or
request
for
a
grading
permit
and
parking
modification
use
permit.
H
The
applicant
has
provided
a
project
description
which
was
included
in
the
agenda
report
and
describes
the
work
needed
to
occupy
the
site
and
also
the
day-to-day
operations.
As
mentioned,
the
proposal
is
to
park
199
school
buses
at
the
site
to
serve
the
San
Francisco
schools.
The
entrance
to
the
site
is
from
a
paved
to
Wayne
entrance
drive
along
Beatty
Avenue.
H
And
this
is
right,
adjacent
essentially
to
the
on
and
off
ramps
to
US
101
Freeway.
The
driveway
is
shared
with
Brisbane
recycling
company,
which
is
located
to
the
south
on
the
same
parcel
site,
modifications
would
be
minimal.
The
office
and
restroom
facility
would
be
trailered
facilities
for
security.
A
six
foot
high
perimeter
fence
is
proposed
around
the
use
area,
along
with
portable
Soul
or
light
standards
and
security
cameras.
H
Since
the
site
is
located,
atop
the
former
landfill
excavation
for
water
and
sewer
utilities,
it
would
be
costly
in
time
time
consuming
and
given
the
nature
of
the
use,
it's
proposed
that
the
site
would
not
be
served
by
water
or
sewer.
Instead,
a
portable
toilet
would
be
maintained
on
site
and
the
fire
department
has
indicated
that
a
water
tank
will
be
required
for
fire
suppression.
H
H
Typical
hours
of
operation
would
be
Monday
through
Friday
5
a.m,
to
7
P.M,
roughly
30
percent
of
the
bus
routes
returned
to
the
parking
facility
during
the
day,
all
the
remainder
stays
close
to
their
pickup
and
drop
off
like
locations
through
the
day.
Occasionally
there
would
be
other
trips
outside
these
hours
for
extracurricular
activities.
H
Brisbane
Municipal
Code
provides
required
findings
and
conditions
of
approval
for
the
interim
uses
in
the
Bayland
sub-area.
It
also
provides
for
granting
parking
modification
through
use,
permit
findings
and
we're
Planning
Commission
review
of
grading
of
more
than
250
cubic
yards
is
to
occur,
as
is
the
case
here.
The
commission
provides
recommendations
to
the
city
engineer
prior
to
the
engineers
issuance
of
grading
permit.
H
There
were
a
number
of
findings
for
Planning
Commission
approval
requested
further
requested
permits,
and
these
were
discussed
in
detail
in
the
Agenda
Report
and
brief
The
Proposal,
including
the
conditions
of
approval,
complies
with
all
the
findings
for
approval.
Note
that
the
proposed
use
is
consistent
with
the
surrounding
industrial
uses.
Its
location
provides
ready
access
to
US
101
for
buses
and
Associated
personal
vehicles.
H
Finally,
this
application
was
provided
to
the
various
City
departments
and
outside
agencies.
As
noted
in
the
report
recommended,
conditions
of
approval
have
been
provided
by
some
of
these
departments
and
are
included
in
the
draft
resolution
and
I
just
mentioned.
Planning
will
would
like
to
add
one
condition
of
approval
that
was
omitted
from
from
this
list,
and
that
is
essentially
that
the
operator
shall
be
required
to
comply
with
applicable
Transportation
demand,
management
measures
and
Reporting
consistent
with
ccags
TDM
policies.
H
These
measures
essentially
provide
such
things
as
incentives
to
reduce
private
vehicle
trips
might
be
incentive,
such
as
use
of
public
transportation,
vouchers,
carpooling
support
and
so
forth,
and
the
applicant
has
already
demonstrated
that
they
can
comply
with
the
ccag
requirements
for
that.
So
that
would
be
also
process
through
the
building
permit
process
so
again
that
the
operator
be
required
to
comply
with
the
applicable
TDM
measures
and
Reporting
consistent
with
the
ccags
TDM
policy.
H
F
H
I
I'm
not
sure
if
the
applicant
would
know
that
either,
but
the
the
last
use
permit
I
looked
up
for
the
49ers
was
600
vehicles
and
presumably
most,
if
not
all
those
would
have
been
personal
vehicles.
We
would
have
had
you
know
times.
Two
one
trip
each
way
1200
and-
and
this
is
throughout
the
day-
would
be
just
over
500
vehicle
trips,
so
substantially
lower
and
spread
out
through
the
day
versus
49ers
would
have
been
more
concentrated
right
before
and
after
games.
F
C
H
Right
so
so
this
went
through
the
city
engineer,
both
as
a
planning
application
it'll
also
go
through
him
for
the
more
detailed
grading
review
and-
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
he
looks
at
this
has
already
been
graded-
to
go
to
a
nearby
for
a
storm
water
to
flow
to
a
nearby
soil.
Of
course,
it's
a
gravel
lot,
so
some
of
the
the
storm
water
is
going
to
actually
seep
into
the
lot
and
not
reach
this
whale
necessarily.
Thank.
C
You
and
then
also
and
a
question
on.
Was
there
any
consideration
of
like
the
impact
to
the
streets
or
roads
like
on
Alana
way,
or
is
it
the
frontage
road
on
that
101
North
approach,
those
Lane
those
streets
are
in
poor
condition,
as
it
is
I
think
believe.
You
know
I
think
maybe
from
the
heavy
vehicles
that
you
know
that
go
through
there,
but
wondering
if
you
know
with
additional
buses-
and
you
know
going
through
their.
You
know
the
impact
to
that
to
those
streets.
H
J
Good
evening,
Vice,
chair
and
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Travis
Duncan
I'm
VPO
development
for
Deca,
we're
here,
representing
that
Garg
and
zoom
as
their
sort
of
real
estate
person
that
gives
a
school
bus
operator
and
land
use.
Issues
like
this
are
are
different
than
you
know,
many
of
the
other
districts
they're
working
in
so
we're
here
to
sort
of
help
that
happen
so
good
evening.
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time.
Thank
you.
J
Ken
for
a
great
presentation,
he's
been
wonderful
to
work
with
done
a
great
job
and
go
to
the
next
slide.
Can
thank
you
that
is
pretty
blurry
there
we
go,
can
give
you
a
great
overview
of
the
site,
not
much
more
to
say
other
than
a
couple
things.
Two
entry
points
here
on
the
Eastern
side
of
the
site
and
the
office
facilities
were
kind
of
on
the
northeast
corner.
J
The
top
right
of
the
screen,
which
is
where
it
kind
of
gets
a
little
tighter
up
there
couldn't
get
as
many
buses
wanted
to
respond
to
your
two
questions
that
I
think
I
do
know
some
about
storm
water.
There
is
an
existing
storm
water
plan
in
place
for
this
area
of
the
bailands
that
is
continuing
to
be
maintained,
so
we're
not
fundamentally
altering
the
stormwater
configuration
here,
we're
simply
keeping
it
as
it
is
functioning
today.
J
The
second
question
about
the
number
of
vehicles
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
numbers
were
clear
there.
These
are
slightly
larger
than
normal
Vehicles.
So
in
the
passenger
car
phenomenon
of
the
49ers
parking
lot,
it
was
much
more
densely
parked.
So
there's
many
more
vehicles
in
the
49ers
configuration
than
what
we're
talking
about
here,
Ken.
If
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
thank
you
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
bit
more
information
on
what's
happening
out
there.
This
is
a
vacant
site
for
the
most
part.
J
Today
it's
unused
and
our
proposal
is
really
to
just
flatten
it
and
make
it
usable
for
Zoom.
The
temporary
restrooms
and
buildings
are
really
like
trailers
similar
to
a
construction
site.
You
might
see,
as
we
all
know,
the
this
is
an
interim
use,
permit
surveillance
to
do
their
development
in
the
future.
This
is
a
short-term
solution
for
both
sides
and
I.
J
Think
it's
a
great
match
of
the
needs
of
the
bay
lands
to
make
use
of
their
lands
in
the
interim
and
a
great
use
for
Zoom
to
be
able
to
access
sort
of
the
full
part
of
San
Francisco.
So
it's
a
real
great
opportunity.
Ken
mentioned
no
permanent
utilities
going
in
here
because
of
the
landfill
considerations
that
includes
water
and
septic,
which
will
be
handled
via
tank
systems,
which
we're
all
feeling
very
comfortable
about.
J
Ada
access
is
maintained
as
part
of
these
buildings,
which
was
one
of
the
things
we
discussed
a
lot
about,
and
the
reason
why
you
know
Zoom
is
really
excited
about
this.
Opportunity
is
because,
because
of
its
proximity
to
101
and
that
very
short
connection
to
one-on-one
makes
so
there's
very
little
impacts
on
the
city
of
Brisbane,
which
obviously
is
a
worthwhile
concern.
J
J
You
can
see
the
zoom,
but
at
a
z-o-oom,
zoom
window
you'll
see
that
most
of
the
buses
we're
talking
about
here
are
not
the
large
school
buses
we're
all
accustomed
to
seeing
the
vast
majority
of
them
are
the
type
A
buses
which
are
kind
of
like
half
size
buses,
there's
a
an
expression.
We
all
probably
remember
from
our
childhoods
that
we
don't
use
that
anymore.
J
Thank
you
very
much
for
hiding
that
as
well
as
many
of
these
being
minivans
and
SUVs,
and
the
vet
and
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
Zoom
does
really
well.
This
is
zum.
Now
is
picking
the
right
vehicle
for
the
right
route
and
making
sure
that,
if
hey,
if
only
a
couple,
people
are
taking
that
route,
let's
not
send
a
big
bus.
Let's
send
a
more
compact
vehicle
that,
as
Ken
said,
is
more
appropriate
for
the
urban
environment.
J
The
bus
is
shown
on
the
left-hand
side.
Are
there
to
show
you
what
those
sizes
look
like
and
with
that
I
really
want
to
bring
up
that
Garg
co-founder
of
Zoom
he's
going
to
be
the
you
know,
the
guy
there
all
the
time
he's
going
to
walk
you
through
Zoom,
give
you
a
little
bit
more
background
there
and
we'll
both
be
available
for
questions.
Thank
you
very
much.
K
Good
evening,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
giving
us
giving
me
an
opportunity
to
represent
Zoom
I'm
co-founder
of
Zoom.
We
have
contracted
with
San
Francisco
Unified,
just
like
many
other
districts
in
the
Bay
Area,
like
we
also
Drive
students
in
Oakland,
Unified
and
Alameda,
unified
and
many
other
schools.
You
know
on
the
peninsula
as
well,
and
we
started
this
company.
Basically
me
and
my
sister.
We
we
to
head
started
this
company
in
2015.
K
with
one
simple
mission
of
modernizing
student
transportation.
We
realized
that
the
industry
has
remained
very,
very
Antiquated
and
can,
if
you
could
just
go
to
the
next
slide,
Ritu
and
I.
We
we
both
are
first
generation
immigrant
to
us
and
I
were
talking
about
this.
She
was
a
tech
entrepreneur
who
was
about
to
leave
a
job
because
she
has
got
two
middle-aged
kids
who
never
could
find.
You
know
safe
and
reliable
transportation
and
I
came
from
a
very
different
career
for
11
years.
K
I
was
an
army
officer,
so
I
served
in
Military,
and
we
both
were
talking
about
this,
and
my
point
was
our
mom
had
done
the
same
thing
30
years
back
as
a
teacher,
you
know
she
had
left
her
job
because
four
of
us,
you
know
needed
to
be,
you
know,
taken
around
to
different
places,
so
it
just
seemed
that
nothing
had
changed
and
last
30
40
years
parents
were
still
struggling
for
very
basic,
but
very
fundamental.
You
know
need
of
transportation
and
kids
were
making
sub-optimal
choices
as
well.
K
Like
you
know,
when
I
came
when
a
kid
wants
to
go
to
ballet
and
up
going
to
taekwondo,
because
neighbor
kid
is
going
to
taekwondo,
you
know
like
that.
Those
are
the
kind
of
choices
that
families
are
making,
so
we
just
felt
that
there
was
a
lot
of
scope
to
modernize
this
transportation
and
we
understand
the
impact
of
it.
That's
why
we
started
this
company
Ken.
If
you
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
we
have
built
a
really
strong
track
record
in
this
time.
K
There
are
many
things
and
many
modern
ways
that
we
do,
which
I
can?
You
know
walk
you
through,
but
in
last
you
know.
Seven.
Eight
years
we
have
driven
over
16.5
million
miles.
We
have
driven
around
over
8
million
children.
We
actually
record
our
customer
ratings,
like
so
our
users
when
they
like
parents
when
they
use
our
school
buses,
they're
able
to
rate
their
school
bus
ride
after
every
ride.
K
K
You
know
that
week
are
in
our
company,
really
a
strong
track
record
of
safety
and,
like
you
can
see
the
accident
rate,
and
you
know
like
how
it
is
and
we
we
we
build
this
company
in
a
way
that
you
know
we
are
actually
the
only
carbon
neutral,
School
transportation
Fleet
in
U.S
as
well.
Today
can
we
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please
not
to
brag,
but
we
we
have
been
recognized.
K
If
you
even
put
Rail
trains,
you
know
Airlines
Metro
trucks,
everything
together.
It
is
double
the
size
of
that.
So
it's
a
very
important.
You
know
industry
to
be
modernized
and
we
we
have
been
recognized
a
lot.
Krito
was
actually
recognized
as
the
among
the
top
hundred
in
female
Founders
recently
as
well.
Can
we
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please.
K
We
have
focused
on
three
things
when
we
were
building
this
company,
one
was
about
being
making
this
extremely
student-centric,
so
everything
that
we
have
designed
it's
in
a
very
design
thinking
way
like
Ritu
and
I.
We
we
we
we
we,
we
went
to
a
school
where
you
know,
design
thinking
was
like
kind
of
the
kind
of
the
focus,
so
there's
a
lot
of
focus
on
how
we
can
make
it
user
friendly,
but
the
other
part
of
it
is
how
we
can
make
it
employee
friendly.
K
So
you
will
see
that
we
have
created
very
high
paying
jobs
when
we
had
taken
over
this
contract.
The
these
jobs
were
really
low
paid
like
right
now,
our
serial
drivers,
the
school
bus
drivers,
they
are
earning
40
hour
rate
and
we
guarantee
them
six
hours
in
a
day
and
we
provide
them.
Health
benefits,
medical
benefits
for
them
and
their
families.
It's
a
really
good
work
culture.
K
We
also
get
ourselves
assessed
for
best
places
to
work
and
for
last
three
years
it
just
shows
too,
but
for
last
three
years
we
have
been
consistently
just
as
best
places
to
work
company.
Can
we
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please,
okay!
So
here
it
is.
We
are
very
active
in
the
community
out
of
the
four
values
that
we
carry
in
the
company
being
customer
officers,
being
you
know
doing
things
the
right
way.
Thinking
big
executing
meticulously,
but
the
last
thing
is
building
better
communities.
K
We
are
extremely
active
in
any
community
that
we
go
to
like
how
we
can
contribute
to
the
community
and
how
we
can
be
a
good
citizen.
So
we
thank
you
a
lot.
We
will
be
driving
a
lot
of
special
need
children
here,
actually
most
majority
of
the
children
in
San
Francisco,
especially
children,
only
40
buses
are
actually
for
general
education.
J
E
Thank
you.
Yes,
thank
you
for
your
presentation
looks
like
you
have
a
great
company
and
you
seem
like
a
great
employer
as
well.
So
my
main
concern
is
about
traffic
and
safety
issues.
You
know
for
you
to
have,
you
know
operate.
You
know
where
you
know
you
you
intend
to
I
mean
that
area
just
has
a
lot
of
business
around
it
and
you
know
the
you
know:
it's
it's
one
way.
Each
way
you
know
that's
baby,
and
so
my
first
question
is
so
in
terms
of
Staffing.
E
Does
your
site
allow
for
all
them?
Let's
say
if
they
were
all
planning
to
drive,
does
your
site
accommodate
that
or
are
you
depending
on
them,
I?
Think
in
your
application
you
said:
25
would
likely
take
public
transportation
and
30
percent
would
carpool.
So
are
you
relying
on
that
or
could
your
site
accommodate
if
everyone
drove.
K
So
everyone
is
not
driving
like.
We
have
been
running
this
contract
for
last
three
years,
so
the
numbers
that
we
are
showing
you
are.
Actually
you
know
not
they.
They
are
not
projections
they
are
coming
from.
You
know
what
we
have
seen
in
actual
and
we
run
employee
shuttles.
We
encourage
you,
know
carpooling,
which
most
of
the
drivers
they
really
love
to
do.
K
J
I
said
one
thing:
one
of
the
things
that
surprised
me
at
not
being
in
this
every
day
is
when
the
the
driver
of
the
bus
arrives.
They
might
not
be
the
first
bus
to
leave,
but
the
buses
leave
and
they
leave
staggered
over.
You
know
the
bus
is
going
farthest
to
the
northwest
corner
of
the
city
had
to
leave
earlier
to
get
there.
J
The
outer
Richmond,
so
the
driver
who
comes
in
a
little
bit
later
can
park
their
car
right
where
that
bus
was
there's,
there's
all
kinds
of
room
for
that
employee
parking
because
of
the
way
the
buses
are
staggered.
So
that
is
absolutely
right.
He's
got
actual
numbers
on
what
kind
of
public
transportation
people
are
taking
and
even
if
every
single
person
were
to
drive
there's
more
than
enough
room
for
them
to
park,
we
heard
earlier.
There
was
something
like
600
people
parking
there
during
the
49ers
parking,
so
that
clearly
there's
enough
capacity
to.
J
E
Yeah
because
we
we've
kind
of
addresses
with
other
other
applicants,
you
know,
for
example,
I
think
we
had
Google
bus
on
on
Tunnel
Avenue,
and
so
one
of
our
concerns
is
to
try
to
gauge
if
there's
going
to
be
a
traffic
problem.
So
if
your
camera
is
could
also
face,
you
know
the
traffic
going
one
way
in
the
other,
so
we
can
see
the
flow
like
in
the
mornings
or
the
later
hours.
We
can
get
an
idea
that
that
is
not
causing
a
traffic
problem
and
and
I
don't
know.
E
J
Yeah
I
think
the
security
cameras
are
there
to
provide
security
and
I
think
for
Zoom
as
the
tenant.
They
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
having
unauthorized
people
coming
onto
the
site.
Those
buses
are
very
valuable
and
there's
no
presumed
problems
with
anything
there
and
they
want
to
make
sure
that
their
you
know.
Assets
are
protected.
So
I
understand
your
question
and
I'm
not
sure
those
security
cameras
are
going
to
provide
much
more
than
their
sort
of
intended
use,
which
is
you
know,
securing
that
perimeter.
E
J
J
F
Commissioner
Gooding,
yes
thank
you,
and
this
might
have
been
a
question.
I
should
have
asked
staff
with
the
perm
application
is
for
a
five-year
period.
I
take
it
in
the
event
there
are,
you
know
any
any
problems
or
complaints.
What,
if,
if
any,
is
our
our
vehicle
for
addressing
any
either
public
complaints
or
other
issues
that
come
up
about
about
the
impact
of
this
use?.
H
The
the
first
line
would
be
to
reach
out
staff
would
reach
out
directly
to
the
operator
and
the
applicant
to
to
correct
whatever
issue
might
be
raised
and
and
if
that's
unsuccessful,
of
course,
there
is
the
revocation
procedures.
We
don't
want
to
go
there
necessarily,
but
as
as
we
know,
it
has
happened
on
Google,
but
the
first
line,
of
course,
would
be
just
to
reach
out
and
I
I
think
you
have
a
operator
here,
who's
who's,
eager
to
be
a
good
citizen
and
and
probably
Cooperative
so
yeah.
F
I
I
don't
expect
I'm,
not
anticipating
anything,
specific
I.
Just
the
last
time
we
had
a
parking
lot
out
there.
We
did
have
some
some
issues
come
up
over
the
over
the
months
of
usage
that
we
had
anticipated
and
just
trying
to
provide
for
some
mechanism
by
which
we
can
either
check
on
the
permit
and
see
how
it's
doing
or
I
don't
know.
If
that's
a
concern
of
the
rest
of
the
commission
or
not,
but
that's
that's
the
one
issue
I
have
is
it
you
know?
K
You
know
the
workforce
that
we
are.
We
are
talking
about
because
the
kind
of
people
who
will
operate
this
will,
you
know,
dictate
a
lot
of
how
they
will
behave
in
the
in
the
area.
School
drivers
are
some
of
the
most
trained
drivers
out
there
and
their
school
driver
license
is
is
considered.
You
know
the
most
premium
license.
You
know
like
out
there.
K
You
know
when
you,
when
you
look
at
drivers,
they
go
through
so
much
of
training
before
they
become
school
bus
drivers
and
they
have
to
maintain
such
strict
standards
to.
You
know,
continue
with
their
license
and
they
actually
drive
children.
If
you
ask
them
most
of
them
will
say
it
is
not
for
money,
it
is
actually
you
know,
because
they
love
working
for
children
like
Mo.
If
you
look
at
our
drivers,
we
just
did
a
celebrations
and
the
number
of
drivers
who
had
served
more
than
you
know:
20
30.
K
Even
they
were
drivers
for
50
years.
They
were
just
driving
for
San,
Francisco
Unified
same
children.
Every
day
they
go
through
such
so
much
behavioral
training
around
you
know
special
need.
Children
like
how
to
you
know
manage
special
need
children
when
they're
on
the
bus
and
taking
Transportation.
They
are
there
a
driver
when
they're
driving
a
school
bus.
They
are
not
just
a
school
bus
driver,
some
they
are
and
they're
a
friend.
They
are
their
mentors,
sometimes
they're,
even
a
therapist
to
that
child,
like
you
know
they
they
are
a
caregiver
on
the
bus.
K
K
E
Can
you
go
back
I
want
to
follow
up
on
what
commissioner
Gooding
had
asked
so
in
terms
of
the
investment
of
time
or
resources
that
you
would
have
to
put
in
to
set
this
up?
You
know
your
your
operation
there.
If
we
were
to
you,
know,
reduce
the
use
permit
time
to
to
shorten
it
as
some
as
as
a
just
a
trial
period
would
would
that
pose
a
challenge
for
you.
K
It
poses
a
really
big
Challenge
and
the
reason
is
because
our
contract
for
the
school
district
is
for
us.
You
know
it
is.
It
is
like
five
plus
five
year
you
know
kind
of
contract,
of
which
we
have.
We
have,
you
know
already
taken.
You
know
two
to
three
years
and
we
are
looking
for.
You
know
like
a
land
which
allows
us
to
be
there
for
a
certain
amount
of
time.
For,
for
various
reasons,
one
is
one
is
that
you
know
we
will
be
investing
and
we
will
be.
K
You
know,
prepping
up
this
land
to
to
to
establish
ourselves.
The
second
is
definitely
the
continuity.
You
know
for
employees
to
get
uprooted
from
a
place
which
they
you
know
kind
of
make,
as
they
say
my
home
again
and
again
is
a
finding
land
again
and
again
is
also
not
not
something
which
is,
you
know,
it's
very
easy
right
now.
What
we
are
trying
to
do
is
to
reduce
the
travel
time
for
the
for
the
children,
and
you
know
ensure
that
they
are
picked
up
on
the
time
right
now.
K
We
are
more
on
the
north
side
of
the
San
Francisco
and
to
pick
up,
children
from
the
southern
side
has
become
extremely
tough,
so
we
are
trying
to.
You
know,
divide
the
operation
on
two
sides.
That
is
what
we
are
trying
to
do
so
that
children
can
be
picked
up.
You
know
on
time
for
their
school,
so
all
those
things
have
been
kept
in
mind
here.
So
that
is
why
the
minimum
term
of
you
know
five
years
is
is
is
is
is
is
what
is
required
here.
C
Thank
you.
Oh
sorry,
oh
you're
still
up
there.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
one
of
the
questions
that
you
had
previously
answered
that
commissioner
cyson
had
regarding
the
on-site
parking
for
the
employees,
but
adding
to
commissioner
gooding's
comment.
What
would
your
thoughts
be
on
I'm
sure
you
have
use
log
I'm.
K
So
one
thing
that
I
want
to
you
know
also
say:
school
buses
are
the
most
predictable
most
predictable.
You
know
Transportation,
which
is
moving
around
so
like
if
I
give
you
usage
log
of
you
know.
Last
one
month,
for
example,
you
will
see
that
the
same
routes
are
being
run
every
day.
The
morning
you
know,
leaving
time
is
fixed
afternoon.
Most
of
the
buses
will
not
come
back
because
you
know
they
stay
where
they
are.
K
You
know
the
school
sites
or
at
the
school
site
and
when
they
pick
up
the
kids
in
the
afternoon,
so
it's
the
most
predictable
operation
that
you
will
see.
So
that's
the
reason
why
you
know
what
what
we
maintain
like,
for
example,
we
would
know
what
time
the
bus
is,
leaving
the
yard
and
we
can
give
you,
but
even
if
I
give
it
to
you
one
time
or
if
I
give
it
to
you
for
every
day,
that
log
is
not
going
to
change.
K
Every
route
has
been
bidded
by
a
union,
employee
and
anytime.
You
know
that
route
changes
after
some
up
to
some
time,
there's
a
re-bit
that
has
to
happen.
So
it's
a
very
fixed
operation
that
we
run
from
the
lock
perspective.
So
can
we
provide
it
if,
if
it
is,
if
it
is
a
must,
we
can,
but
I
can
very
confidently
say
that
you
will
not
find
it.
You
know
like
a
lot
of
movement
in
that
log
to
make
something
out
of
it.
K
These
are
200
buses,
they
will
go
out,
they
will
pick
up
kids
and
they
will
come
back.
That
is
what
is
going
to
happen
sometime
few
buses
go
out
for
a
field
trip,
but
when
it
is
in
the
daytime
they
go
from
where
they
drop
the
kids,
and
there
are
no
day
you
know,
field
trips
in
the
night
as
such,
so
they
so
they
come
back.
K
F
You
know
200
Vehicles
a
lot
of
vehicles
per
day
and
it
really
changes
the
usage
of
the
city's
access
to
to
our
our
routes
to
and
from
freeways.
So
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
and
make
sure
you
folks
realize
that
that
routing
to
and
from
101
is
a
condition
of
the
permit
and
I
think
historically,
this
commission
is
going
to
be
a
a
real
deal
breaker
if,
if
we
get
any
complaints
or
problems
with
with
that
not
being
observed
other
than
that
I'm
done.
Thank
you.
C
L
L
You
know
somewhere
else
and
not
take
the
101,
and
so
that
would
add
to
the
traffic
there
and
the
safety
issues
there.
So
BD
is
is
kind
of
narrow
right
now.
The
other
problem
with
Beady
is
there
is
no
sidewalk
or
pathway
for
anyone
coming
walking
to
the
site
for
from
public
transportation
being
at
SamTrans
Muni
or
the
Caltrain
station.
There
is
no
safe
sidewalk
for
any
pedestrians
along
that
route.
L
So
those
are
all
of
my
concerns
and
I
really
didn't
intend
to
bring
them
all
up.
But
you
know
I
started
thinking
about
it
when
I
drove
down
Beatty
the
last
two
days
and
and
saw
you
know
the
entire
Beady,
with
three
rows
of
cars
on
one
side
and
one
row
of
car
on
the
other
and
their
parking
lot
entirely.
Full
and
tunnel
completely
parked
on
on
both
sides,
and
then
I
saw
this
proposal
and
it
filled
me
with
Dread
and
concern
for
the
safety
of
everyone
in
that
area.
A
L
The
way
your
buses
would
want
to
to
get
enough
momentum
to
get
up
the
hill,
because
you'll
also
be
dealing
with
garbage
trucks
and
other
traffic
and
vehicles
moving
into
that
lane
that
are
planning
on
taking
280.
I
I
did
this
commute
for
years
in
which
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
traffic
pattern?
So
as
the
the
I
don't
know
what
you
call
it,
the
the
applicant
should
be
very
aware
of
this
dress
that
that's
going
to
put
on
your
buses
trying
to
enter
the
on-ramp
safely
onto
the
freeway
going
uphill.
Okay.
That's
it.
C
G
J
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
her
for
calling
in
and
buying
the
public
process.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
the
the
parking
concern
she
has
totally
understand
sound
challenging
for
the
Recology
folks
and
just
reiterate
what
I
said
earlier
around
all
of
the
people
will
be
parking
on
the
site
and
all
of
the
cars
that
they
would
be
coming
are
able
to
park
on
this
site.
I.
I
C
F
I
I'm
inclined
to
vote
to
approve
these
permits.
I
I
think
that
the
fact
that
they
can
park
on
the
site,
I
think
ameliorates,
largely
any
public
concerns
about
increased
congestion
out
on
on
Beauty
and
neighboring
Straits
and
I
do
just
want
to
re-emphasize
the
point.
I
made
just
to
be
to
death
that
that
the
routing
to
and
from
the
freeway
really
is
a
an
important
aspect
of
the
conditions
of
approval.
We
had
a
problem
with
that
before
we
don't
want
to
repeat
that.
H
E
E
It's
there'd
be
traveling
on
a
roadway,
that's
already
taxed,
and
so
you
know,
I
think
this
is
a
good
thing
that
I
want
to
approve.
I
just
have
concerns.
How
do
we
monitor
this?
You
know
usually
when
we
approve
something
like
this.
You
know
people
tend
to
move
on
and-
and
we
forget
to
kind
of
check
on
what's
going
on
over
here
over
here
and
you
know,
and
there
there
could
be
issues
so
I'm
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
ways.
E
C
C
J
One
of
the
things
Ken
mentioned
your
your
comment
just
jogged.
In
my
mind,
it's
not
in
the
staff
report,
but
that
Ken
is
suggesting
be
approved
as
part
of
this
Con
approval
tonight
is
related
to
the
can
I
manage
your
help
on
the
exact
word,
but
the
I
think
ccag
all
right
got
it.
Ccag
has
a
transportation
demand
management
requirement.
That
I
believe
does
require
an
annual
report
to
be
filed
and
submitted
to
the
ccag.
J
H
So
essentially,
it's
it's
looking
at
at
trips
and
modes
of
use,
and
so
this
would
be
essentially
to
comply
with
ccag's
policy
to
reduce
vehicle
trips
and
of
course
it
it
can't
apply
to
the
buses,
because
that
is
the
spent
for
private
vehicles
or
they'd
be
looking
to
reduce
vehicle
trips.
So
it'd
be
reporting
back
about
their
performance
on
on
how
the
different
incentives
have
worked
to
reduce
vehicle
trips.
C
E
F
Occurs
to
me
that
I
I
think
this
is
driven
by
our
is
this
driven
by
our
concern
that
they'll
deviate
from
from
going
straight
to
and
from
101.
Is
that
the
issue,
because
otherwise,
if,
if
I
I,
don't
see
a
lot
of
added
added
value
to
confirming
that
they're
using
you
know
200
buses
a
day
to
and
from
101?
That's
that's
exactly
what
they're
asking
for
and
that's
what
they'll
be
doing.
F
My
only
concern
was
driven
by
you
know
our
our
unhappy
experience
with
the
previous
permit
applicant,
who
simply
didn't
comply
with
with
what
we
understood
to
be
the
you
know
the
implied
usage,
but
but
it
wasn't
actually
a
condition
of
the
permit
and
caused
some
awkwardness
about
how
to
enforce
that
here.
It
is
a
condition
of
the
permit.
If
we
get
complaints,
presumably
we
can
act
on
those
complaints
as
a
violation
of
the
permit,
since
it's
a
clearly
defined
condition.
This
time,
I.
F
Do
one
more
point:
just
the
last
time
around
we
were
dealing
with
an
applicant
that
was,
you
know
the
the
Master
of
the
Universe
of
data
collection
and
provision,
which
is
probably
not
the
case
with
this
applicant
and
I'm
I'm,
reluctant
to
impose
conditions
of
of
reporting
that
are
that
might
be
onerous
or
or
difficult
if
it's,
if
we
don't
have
complaints
and
don't
have
a
problem.
So
let's
see,
if
that's
my
comment.
E
E
There
was
an
incident
where
the
buses
were
were
leaving
about
the
same
time
and
then
cars
were
behind
them
and
and
traffic
was
going
so
slow
that
you
know
that
one
one's
going
to
go
around
them.
You
know
I
mean
you
know:
I
I,
just
don't
want
to
create
a
situation
where
people
frustrated
on
on
the
roads
because
of
traffic
and
do
things
that
are
not
safe.
So
that
was
mainly
the
concern
but
but
I
suppose
I
mean
this.
E
This
has,
you
know,
been
reviewed
by
police
and
you
know
fire
and
whatnot
and
I
guess
they.
They
think
that
it
won't
be
an
issue.
So
I,
guess
it's
something
I
guess
we
can
approve
and
and
hope
for
the
best
wait
for
complaints.
I
mean
it's.
You
know,
I
I,
don't
know
how
I
don't
know
what
else
we
can
do
that.
You
know
if
we
put
a
contingency
that
would
be
too
stringent
and
you
know,
may
not
be
that
effective.
So.
C
Yes,
maybe
our
past
experience
has
jaded,
as
Jada
does
I'm
inclined
to
also
approve
my
concerns
were
about
the
employee
parking
as
well,
as
my
concerns
are
still
on
the
road
conditions.
You
know
on
the
approach
to
101
North
they're
bad
now
and
I
expect
them
to
come
worse,
but
that
might
have
to
be
addressed
by
a
different
part
of
the
the
city.
E
C
So
the
motion
passes
with
three
eyes
and
like
to
state
that
anyone
May
appeal
the
action
of
the
Planning
Commission
to
the
city
council,
except
where
specific
specified,
otherwise
appeals
shall
be
filed
with
the
city
clerk
no
later
than
15
calendar
days
from
following
the
planning
commission's
decision.
Exceptions
to
the
15-day
filing
period
include
the
following:
appeals
shall
be
filed
with
a
c
clerk
within
six
calendar
days
of
the
planning,
commission's
action
for
use
permits
and
variances
and
10
calendar
days
for
tentative
maps
and
advertising
sign
applications.
C
C
We'll
move
it
to
the
second
item
of
new
business,
and
this
is
a
public
hearing
regarding
3708
Bayshore
Boulevard
use,
permit
2022-up-7,
grading
review,
20,
2022-ex,
5-5
lot,
merger
2022-la-3
and
habitat
conservation
plan
compliance,
2022-acp-1,
scrro,
one
zoning
District.
This
is
the
expansion
of
the
current
contractor's
storage
yard
permitted
under
up-9-12,
and
finding
that
this
project
is
category
categorically
exempt
from
environmental
review
under
Sika
guidelines,
sections
15,
301
and
15
through
11.
Sean
Brennan
as
applicant
and
MK
yard.
Llc,
the
owner
Steph
I'm
gonna,
have
a
presentation.
Please.
G
Thank
you,
Vice,
chair
as
introduced.
This
agenda
item
is
for
a
use,
permit
rating
permit
review
lot
merger
and
San
Bruno
Mountain
habitat
conservation
plan,
compliance
to
expand
the
existing
use
of
a
contractor
storage
yard,
approximately
5
000
square
feet.
A
used
permit
is
required
for
a
contractor
storage
yard
within
the
scr01
Southwest
Bayshore
commercial
district
and
any
amount
of
grading
in
the
San
Bruno
Mountain,
habitat
conservation
plan
or
hcp
area
requires
Planning
Commission
review.
G
The
subject
property
is
comprised
of
three
contiguous
Lots,
located
with
the
within
the
scr01
zoning
district
and
administrative
parcel,
2-03
or
Brisbane
Acres
of
the
hcp.
The
two
Southern
properties
are
developed
and
occupied
by
MK
pipelines
Inc,
while
the
northern
property
was
more
recently
acquired
by
MK
pipelines
and
is
undeveloped.
The
site
plan
in
the
middle
of
the
screen
shows
the
three
underlying
parcels
and
the
blue
and
gray
Footprints
of
the
existing
structure
and
parking
lot
respectively.
The
combined
lot.
Excuse
me,
the
combined
area
of
the
three
Parcels
is
approximately
676.
G
885
square
feet
or
15.5
acres
and
the
site
is
accessed
by
a
Bayshore
Boulevard
from
the
front
or
Eastern
property
line.
The
property
includes
a
relatively
level
area
within
the
first
65
to
80
feet
of
the
property
line,
as
shown
in
the
image
on
the
left,
where
the
existing
building
and
paved
parking
lot
for
Mk
pipelines
is
located,
but
the
overall
slope
is
approximately
46
percent.
G
The
project
site
is
not
immediately
adjacent
to
any
development,
as
depicted
in
the
aerial
image.
With
the
nearest
developed,
Parcels
being
approximately
470
to
610
feet
away,
they
include
residential
uses
to
the
West
on
Thomas,
Avenue
and
Tulare
Street,
and
the
mobile
home
park
to
the
South
MK
pipelines
is
an
underground
utilities
contractor
and
performs
local
public
works
projects
and
is
currently
operating
under
use.
Permit
up-9-12,
previously
up-6-11
up-5-11
up
5-08,
up6-07
and
up-306
for
a
contractor
storage
yard.
G
They
currently
employ
27
employees,
including
four
base
at
the
septic
property
and
own
approximately
35
pieces
of
construction
equipment.
This
equipment,
as
well
as
materials
generally
move
between
job
sites,
though
surplus
material
and
or
special
order
items,
are
stored
behind
the
building.
The
yard
is
currently
screened
by
a
chain
link
fence
with
brown,
plastic
slats
and
the
hours
of
operation
are
between
7
AM
and
5
30
pm.
G
The
applicant
proposes
to
enlarge
their
existing
paved
parking
lot
and
contractor
storage
yard
authorized
under
their
current
use,
permit
by
approximately
5
000
square
feet
for
additional
lay
down
and
Equipment
storage
space.
The
expansion
would
occur
on
the
Northern
undeveloped
parcel
and
involves
a
combined
820
cubic
yards
of
soil
cut
and
fill.
G
The
proposed
expansion
area
is
shown
in
green
on
the
site
plan
and
is
visible
on
the
right
side
of
the
image
new
retaining
walls
are
proposed,
but
would
not
exceed
six
feet
in
height,
and
these
new
retaining
walls,
along
with
new
fencing,
would
match
the
existing
Allen
Block
retaining
wall
and
brown
slat
chain
link
fence.
No
expansion
of
the
existing
structure
is
proposed
and,
as
part
of
the
applicant's
requests,
the
three
underlying
Parcels
would
be
merged
into
a
single
parcel.
Additionally,
no
no
trees
are
proposed
to
be
removed
as
part
of
this
project.
G
Additionally,
no
use
permit
shall
be
granted
for
any
conditional
use
in
the
scr01
zoning
District
unless
further
special
findings
can
be
made.
Detailed
analysis
for
each
finding
is
provided
within
exhibit
a
of
the
drafts
resolution.
But
generally
the
project
complies
with
the
findings
required
under
Brisbane
Municipal,
Code,
chapter
17.40
and
Brisbane
musical
code
section
17.16.060.
The
use
is
consistent
with
the
mixed
commercial
and
residential
character
of
the
Southwest
Bayshore
sub-area,
the
scr01
zoning
district
and
the
recent
use
of
the
site
since
at
least
2006
as
a
contractor
storage
yard.
G
The
proposed
expansion
of
the
contractor's
storage
yard
would
not
be
detrimental
to
health
safety,
comfort
and
general
welfare
of
the
persons
residing
or
working
in
the
neighborhood,
nor
be
injurious
or
detrimental
to
property
improvements
in
a
neighborhood
or
the
general
welfare
of
the
city.
Since
the
expansion
would
occur
to
the
north
away
from
the
nearest
developed
parcels
and
NK
pipelines,
Inc
has
been
operating
under
the
current
use
permit
for
over
nine
years,
with
no
code
enforcement,
complaints
or
violations.
G
G
Grading
in
excess
of
five
cubic
yards
requires
issuance
of
a
grading
permit
from
the
city
engineer.
Planning
Commission,
review
of
a
grading
application
for
a
grading
permit
is
also
required
for
certain
grading
applications
as
specified
under
Brisbane
and
municipal
code.
Section
15.01.110
for
this
project
find
a
commission
review
is
required,
since
the
grading
will
be
performed
on
a
parcel
located
within
the
boundaries
of
the
San
Bruno
Mountain.
Excuse
me:
San
Bruno,
Mountain
hcp,
while
the
city
Engineers
authorize
the
issue
the
grading
permit
for
this
project.
G
The
commission
must
consider
the
following
potential
impacts
of
the
proposed
grading
operation
and
make
a
recommendation
to
the
city
engineer.
One
will
the
proposed
grading
be
designed
to
reflect
or
fit
comfortably
with
the
site
context
and
natural
topography?
Two?
Will
the
proposed
grading
be
designed
to
ensure
that
retaining
walls
visible
to
the
public
are
designed
to
be
as
visually
unobtrusive
as
possible?
G
Three
will
the
proposed
grading
be
designed
to
minimize
removal
of
existing
Street
trees,
any
California
bay
laurel,
Coast,
Live,
Oak
or
California
Buckeye
trees
or
three
or
more
mature
trees
of
any
species
on
the
same
site
and
four,
where
removal
of
existing
trees
is
necessary?
Will
the
landscape
plan
for
the
project
include
the
planting
of
appropriate
replacement
trees?
G
The
proposed
grading
is
minimized
to
the
footprint
of
the
new
paved
storage
area
located
on
the
Northern
corner
of
the
site,
while
the
overall
slope
is
46,
the
approximate
natural
slope
in
the
area
to
be
graded
is
closer
to
15,
and
the
new
storage
area
will
be
at
the
same
level
as
the
existing
paved
storage
area
exposed.
Retaining
walls
required
both
below
and
behind
the
new
storage
area
would
not
exceed
six
feet
when
measured
from
grade
to
the
top
of
the
wall.
G
G
No
Street,
trees
or
protected
trees
are
proposed
to
be
removed
and
with
adoption
of
the
draft
hcp
operating
program,
the
proposed
grading
would
comply
with
the
terms
of
the
hcp
agreement
in
section
10A
permit
a
geotechnical
report,
which
is
a
subsurface
soil,
testing
and
exploration
analysis
and
attachment
F
to
the
staff
report,
was
transmitted
along
with
the
plans
for
City
review
and
includes
a
number
of
recommendations
specific
to
the
site.
Condition
of
approval.
G
K
requires
a
licensed
soil,
soils
or
geotechnical
engineer
to
submit
a
final
grading
observation
report
to
the
city,
summarizing
conformance
of
the
grading
operations
to
the
geotechnical
report
prior
to
construction
of
the
paved
yard
and
retaining
walls,
as
required
by
the
general
plan
and
the
hcp
of
biological
resources.
Assessment
of
the
site
was
conducted
consistent
with
the
methodology
adopted
by
the
plan
operator
or
San
Mateo
County
and
attached
to
the
staff
report
an
hcp
operating
program
also
attached.
G
The
staff
report
was
drafted
based
on
the
specific
findings
of
the
assessment
and
circulated
for
review
by
the
U.S
fish
and
wildlife
service
and
the
State
Department
of
Fish
and
Wildlife.
Neither
agency
raised
issue
with
the
conclusions
of
the
biological
assessment
based
on
the
biological
resource
assessments,
finding
of
no
larval
habitat
or
nectaring
plants
for
the
butterflies
protected
by
the
hcp,
no
on-site
habitat
rest
decoration
is
proposed
for
the
site
consistent
with
the
hcp's
requirements
for
administrative
parcel,
2-03
Brisbane
Acres.
G
The
draft
operating
program
requires
payment
of
a
fee
to
fund
habitat
acquisition
elsewhere
in
the
hcp.
This
fee
will
be
required
prior
to
building
from
an
issuant
for
the
retaining
walls.
The
property
owner
must
also
become
a
signatory
to
the
hcp
agreement,
including
the
requirement
to
participate
in
the
ACP
funding
program,
which
must
be
recorded
with
the
San
Mateo
County
Recorder's
Office
prior
to
permit
final.
G
In
closing,
this
application
has
been
routed
to
the
applicable
City
departments,
including
Public
Works,
building
fire
and
the
City
attorney.
The
biological
assessment
and
draft
operating
program
were
transmitted
to
the
ACP
plan
operator,
U.S,
fish
and
wildlife
service
and
the
California
Department
of
Fish
and
Wildlife
conditions
of
approval,
addressing
potential
stormwater
discharges,
material
storage
and
indemnification
among
others,
have
been
added
or
modified.
Based
on
the
comments
received.
This
concludes
staff
presentation.
G
C
C
C
G
D
C
G
G
So
if
you
look
at
this
image
here,
the
on
the
right,
that's
kind
of
where
the
grading
would
occur-
it'll
be
probably
a
little
bit
lower
to
match
the
existing
level
of
the
yard.
But
what
you're
going
to
see
is
a
brown
slat
fence
screening
in
the
yard,
you're
not
likely
to
see
the
retaining
wall
behind
you're
going
to
see
a
retaining
wall
in
the
front,
but
that'll
also
look
like
this
retaining
wall.
G
C
G
G
So
the
existing
the
line
is
drawn
there,
but
I
don't
have
a
an
accurate
scale
on
this,
and
it's
not
not
to
mention
this
this
right
here,
the
if
you're
concerned
about
how
close
it
is
there
there
are.
There
is
a
recommendation
in
the
the
geotechnical
report
about
maintaining
I
believe
an
a-foot
buffer
between
the
existing
toe
and
the
the
retaining
walls,
and
as
I
mentioned,
there
is
a
conditional
approval
to
have
that
final
observation
report
to
make
sure
recommendations
are
are,
are
followed
good.
F
I
I
do
have
some
questions
actually
right,
praised
by
your
comments
and
I'm,
not
sure
how
to
ask
this
question.
I
really
am
asking
for
education,
or
at
least
an
explanation
in
in
the
process
of
the
applicant,
proposing
this
in
the
city
looking
at
it,
and
then
the
staff
proposing
some
some
findings.
When
is
how
much
engineering
done
by
the
city
or
by
someone
impartial
to
give
the
public
some
level
of
of
Comfort
level
that
the
grading
is
not
going
to
jeopardize
the
the
stability
of
that
Hillside?
F
D
D
The
city
has
a
consultant
firm
that
we
use
through
our
Building
Division
that
he
can
have
them
review
reports
if
he
feels
their
complicated
technically
and
challenging,
and
he
will
do
that
if
it's
something
that,
in
his
professional
scope
and
opinion
he's
comfortable
reviewing,
he
will
he
will
again
based
on
his
licensing
for
the
State
of
California.
He
he
will
review
that
and
make
his
professional
judgment.
D
F
C
B
B
B
F
C
B
Like
it's
five
thousand
square
feet,
but
it's
not
a
perfect
rectangle.
It's
it's!
Approximately
100
foot
wide.
It's
gonna
be
occurring
throughout
the
lint
of
the
frontage,
which
is
on
the
feet
and
up
to
50
feet
back
from
the
front
of
the
property,
but
there
is
one
corner
of
the
property
that
has
a
very
steep
Hillside.
So
we
are
going
deep
in
that
piece
alone.
It's
too
it's
too
steep.
So
it's
basically
a
hundred
by
fifty
with
a
carve
out
under
North
West
Side.
So
do.
E
E
E
G
B
We
have
done
no
clearing
of
that
area
based
on
what
I'm.
Looking
at
there.
That's
from
the
roadway.
There
is
a
roadway,
an
old
roadway
I
forget
the
name
that
runs
across
the
top
of
our
property.
What
you're
looking
at
right,
there
I
believe,
may
not
even
be
in
our
property.
Our
property
doesn't
stretch.
All
the
ways
to
the
road
at
the
top
property
stretch
is
222
feet
back
from
Bayshore,
Boulevard
and
again
I'm
only
guessing
standing
from
the.
B
Wherever
that
person
took
that
photograph
I
presume
it
was
the
roadway
there
was
an
old
dirt
track,
roadway
across
the
top
of
the
Lots
CrossFit
volume,
not
so
that
what
you're
looking
at
there
that
dead,
Bush
may
not
be
ours.
I
have
done
no
clearing
on
my
love.
If
that's
your
question,
I've
never
been
required
to
do
any
clearing
by
the
fire
department.
They've,
never
asked.
B
E
E
I
B
They
elected
not
to
be
part
of
that
initially
at
the
time,
and
they
asked
for
permission
and
for
to
extend
Insurance
to
climb
down
the
hillside
to
take
photographs
and
they
declined
in
permission
to
come
under
property
at
the
time,
because
we
were
not
going
participating
in
the
agreement.
We
now
are
participating
in
the
agreement,
so
I
have
to
assume
where
that
person
is
studying.
That
photograph
is
not
in
my
property,
because
we
didn't
actually
signed
a
wave
reform
for
them
to
enter.
G
E
Okay
and
regarding
slope
stability,
so
so
I
went
through
your
geotechnical
report
and
you
know
frankly,
after
going
through
it,
I
I
have
more
questions
you
know
than
answers.
You
know
provided
to
me
because
the
report
acknowledges
that
what
you
plan
to
do
will
have
some
you
know
impact,
although
I'll
be
minimal
to
this
ability
of
the
hillside.
E
It
also
states
that
the
minimal
impact
will
be
dependent
upon
the
recommendations
being
carried
out
so
that
would
have
to
be
you
know
everything
would
be
to
have
to
be
done
correctly,
but
then
my
other
concern
is
that
the
report
also
has
a
lot
of.
Let
me
see
caveats.
For
example,
it
says
you
know:
review
of
the
existing
Foundation
elements
or
retaining
walls
was
beyond
the
scope
of
our
services.
A
detailed
study
of
seismic
hazards
is
beyond
the
scope
of
this
report.
E
The
Civil
aspects
of
drainage
systems
are
beyond
the
Scopes
of
the
services
you
know
of
of
what
they're
providing,
and
it
says
a
complete
study
of
the
site
and
potential
slope.
Instability
is
beyond
the
scope
of
this
report,
so
I
just
kept
on
reading
things
like
that
and
I'm
wondering
what
is
this
report
really
telling
me?
It's.
You
know
I
I'm
left
with
a
lot
of
questions,
because
it's
acknowledging
this
area
has
a
history
of
landslides
and
slope
instability.
E
But
yet
it's
not
giving
me
it's
not
giving
me
a
good
feeling
that
if
we
you
know
allow
this
to
go
through
your
activity
will
not
help
this
slip.
Instability
I
mean
it
it.
The
geological
report
admits
it.
It'll
have
impact
negative
impact,
albeit
minimal,
but
then
we
can't
even
be
sure
if
we
can
trust
this
report,
because
there's
so
many
things
that
they
didn't
do
so
you.
B
E
In
terms
of
your
use,
permit,
we
have
to
decide
whether
the
use
that
you
want
to
do
will
have
an
endurious
effect
on
the
residents
and
the
neighboring
property.
So
that
has
to
be
our
consideration
so
allowing
you
to
do
it,
allowing
you
to
have
this
activity
and
prepare
for
it.
Is
that
going
to
harm
your
neighbors?
Is
that
going
to
harm?
You
know,
adjacent
properties,
and
it
looks
like
from.
B
E
Well,
I
mean
I
think
they
go
hand
in
hand
because,
because
authorizing
the
use,
permit
will
authorize
you
to
do
everything
that
you're
proposing
to
do
which
will
have
impact
on
the
stability
of
the
adjacent
areas.
So
that
is.
That
is
a
concern
for
me,
and
that
was
a
concern
raised
by
a
couple
of
the
residents
that
submitted.
F
I
I
share
that
concern
about
the
the
on-site
you
know
in
in
the
moment
of
of
construction
implementation
of
those
geotechnical
reports,
recommendations
as
to
how
it
really
works,
which
is
why
I
might,
which
is
why
I
had
asked
the
question
earlier
about
whether
it
might
be.
This
might
be
one
of
those
instances,
because
the
the
hillside
is
is
a
potentially
problematic
one
to
to
ask
for
for
peer
review
of
this.
E
Are
we
looking
at
two
different
things?
I
mean
okay
in
terms
of
a
grading
review.
You
know
we
don't
seem
to
have
a
lot
of
saying
that
but
correct
me
staff
if
I'm
wrong,
but
in
terms
of
us
granting
a
use
permit,
we
could
make
contingencies
and
I
mean
we.
We
can
ask
for
these
any
safety
questions.
We
have
to
be
answered
and
am
I
not
wrong.
There.
G
So
as
it
relates
to
the
storm
water,
the
stormwater
checklist
was
submitted
and
the
under
the
the
permit
for
the
county.
This
threshold
is
below
what
a
regulated
project
would
be
for
a
a
paved
area,
so
they
they
are
in
compliance
with
the
storm
water
permit
at
this
size,
they're
not
required
to
do
any
on-site,
stormwater
treatment,
and
so
it's
ultimately
just
the
kind
of
the
final
drainage
on
site
to
make
sure
that's
not
it's
handled.
You
know
properly
to
the
city
system.
E
I'm
just
concerned
overall,
with
with
the
activity
that
is
going
to
be
occurring,
there
I
think
it's
it's
just
adding
to
the
stability
of
that.
You
know
of
that
steep
Hillside
I
mean,
like
you
know,
there's
no
one
saying
that:
oh,
what
we're
going
to
do
is
we're
going
to
shore
it
up
it's
going
to.
Actually
you
know
strengthen
that
Hillside.
It's
it's
actually
going
to
impact
it.
You
know,
however
minimally
supposedly
they
they
say,
but
we
don't
know
I
mean
you
know
the
I
I,
don't
think.
C
Know
further,
you
know
on
those
questions
that
we
have,
but
that
still
leads
us
with
the
question
of
you
know
that
makes
that
Hill,
especially
since
it
has
a
history
of
previous
Landslide,
you
know
of
by
grading
that
area
if
it
will
contribute
to
the
instability
of
you
know
of
that
area.
One
question
in
the
in
the
other
parts
of
your
lot,
where
you
have
that
retaining
wall
and
stuff
built
was
that
graded
too
in
the
past,
and
then
when.
B
We
moved
into
it.
The
back
retaining
wall
was
already
there
and
the
paving
was
already
present.
We
repaved
it
the
front
retaining
wall
we
put
in
there.
It
was
just
a
drop
off
that
was
starting
to
erode,
so
we've
been
in
the
front,
Alan
Brock
retaining
wall,
but
the
back
was
existing
and
the
paving
was
existing.
B
B
The
cities
or
just
yeah,
the
city,
put
out
a
a
tender
request
and
they
got
something
in
from
their
pool
of
biologists.
They
conducted
the
report.
The
city
paid,
the
biologists
and
I
made
the
city
I
see.
I
did
not
have
any
part
of
that
process.
We
basically
just
let
them
into
the
site,
and
that's
about
all
we
did
is.
C
I
I,
just
one
concern
I,
have
is
reading
about
I
think
that
the
biological
biological
list,
when
they
surveyed
the
site,
was
like
for
four
hours.
You
know
to
come
up
with
this
all
this
information
and
to
me
that
seems
like
a
very
short
and
small
sample
size.
You
know
to
assess,
like
nesting
habits
or
you
know
other
Wildlife.
That's
you
know
we.
B
G
Believe
that's
in
the
biological
assessment.
The
assessment
is,
you
know,
under
the
parameters
of
the
hcp,
which
is
primarily
for
the
protected
butterfly
species,
but
it
does
look
at
any
other
species
with
special
special
status
on
them
and
the
study
is
performed
in
August,
sometimes
may
when
it's
the
the
bloom
season
for
the
the
plants
that
are
the
host
plants
for
for
the
butterflies.
So
it's
the
the
Opera
the
most
opportune
time
to
find
the
the
butterfly
species
is
when
the
survey
is
performed.
C
C
You
know,
which
is
pretty
magnificent
in
the
eucalyptus
tree,
which
is
probably
not
you
know
important
to
you
know
to
save,
but
it's
important
for
that
bird
as
well
as
owls,
and
even
the
coyote
that
comes
down
but
and
the
wild
carrots
that
come
to
our
you
know
to
our
house,
but
they're.
Only
there
briefly,
you
know
just
for
a
split
SEC.
You
know
for
a
few
minutes
of
time,
and
otherwise
you
wouldn't
even
notice
that
they're
that
they're
there.
C
B
Believe
one
reason
why
it
may
have
just
took
them:
four
hours
is
before
I
became
owner
of
that
property.
The
city
had
carried
out
the
survey
with
the
same
biologists
that
was
owned
by
somebody
else,
and
they
had
done
that
survey,
so
they
literally
were
doing
a
survey
on
the
same
property
within
12
months,
the
previous
one,
so
they
probably
had
a
lot
of
background
information
already.
G
Guess
why,
additionally,
as
it
relates
to
perhaps
for
for
birds
and
nesting,
they're,
looking
for
a
nesting
habitat,
so
they're,
not
necessarily
looking
for
actual
nests
on
the
site
or
to
see
you
know,
Birds
coming
in
they're,
looking
for
suitable
nesting
habitat,
which
is
something
they
can
kind
of
observe
more
quickly.
Okay,.
B
At
the
moment
on
the
area
that
we're
grading
from
San
Mateo
County
Parks
Evan
down
there,
we've
actually
already
cleared
and
grubbed
the
area
that
is
going
to
be
graded
or
proposed
to
be
greatest,
so
there
is
actually
no
trees
or
bushes
or
shrubs
there,
and
the
area
is
going
to
be
impacted.
Okay
of
the
property
we
are
impacting
about.
25
of
the
total
75
is
going
to
be
left
as
it
is.
So.
The
area
that
we
propose
to
work
on
is
already
cleared
and
grubbed.
C
L
Yeah
honorable
commission
I
have
a
lot
of
things
to
say
about
this
Jeremiah.
Can
you
show
that
very
first
slide?
You
showed
that
showed
the
aerial
view
of
this
site,
including
where
the
peninsula
goes
out
a
little
bit
into
the
Lagoon
before
I
was
born
and
I
was
born
a
long
time
ago
and
I've
lived
in
Brisbane
all
my
life.
L
This
was
the
largest
landslide
that
has
ever
been
recorded,
that
I
know
of
or
that's
been
recorded,
on,
San
Bruno
mountain
and
the
slide
happened
when
they
just
there
used
to
be
a
road
that
went
up,
San,
Francisco
street
and
across
the
back
side
of
Tulare
Hill
and
met
up
with
Anna's
Road
and
continued
on
to
a
tunnel
that
went
South,
and
that
was
the
major
route
South.
Looking
at
this
picture,
you
can
see
the
yellow
area
and
you
can
see
the
little
Peninsula
that
sticks
out
into
the
Lagoon.
L
L
L
They
did
an
excavation
of
this
nature
across
the
street
from
us
on
Sierra
Point
Road
when
they
built
the
house.
That's
there
at
110,
Sierra,
Point
or
112.
Whatever
address
is
they
took
out,
probably
10,
dump
trucks,
a
full
of
soil
and
they
built
had
to
build
a
30-foot
retaining
wall
with
French
drains
to
accommodate
building
a
moderate
size
house
you're
talking
a
six
foot
retaining
wall,
maybe
two
six
foot
retaining
walls,
I,
I'm,
sorry,
but
a
slope
of
46
degrees
and
that's
all
you're
willing
to
do
the
reason.
L
The
other
area
only
has
15
degrees
of
slope
is
because
it
all
slid
out
and
you
the
where
the
current
building
is,
is
actually
in
the
bowl
of
the
slide
just
south
of
the
site
where
the
building
is.
You
will
see
the
foundation
of
a
house
that
was
there
or
a
building
that
was
there
that
was
destroyed
in
that
slide
and
and
subsequent
material
coming
down
off
the
hill.
So
I
have
a
really
hard
time
with
the
idea
of
doing
this.
L
Above
and
beyond
that,
obviously
I've
been
on
San
Bruno,
Mountain
watch
for
several
years
and
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
HC
very
familiar
with
the
hcp,
and
while
the
hcp
habitat
conservation
plan
is
primarily
concerned
with
the
the
endangered
butterfly
species.
Is
the
mission
blue,
the
elephant
and
the
Clippy?
L
L
But
that's
not
all
we're
willing
to
protect,
just
because
those
three
are
covered
by
The
Endangered,
Species
Act
and
the
habitat
conservation
plan
that
specifically
addressed
the
killing
of
those
species
to
be
able
to
recreate
habitat
elsewhere
and
and
enable
development.
Does
it
mean
that
we
are
not
responsible
for
protecting
the
entire
habitat,
Dr
EO
Wilson?
L
Think
that's
really
important
and
I
think
that
the
history
of
the
area,
as
well
as
the
propensity,
almost
guaranteed
propensity
of
a
massive
slide,
also
occurring
in
the
area
when
you
further
erode
the
footing
of
that
Hillside
is
very
real
and,
yes,
you
might
be
away
from
people
who
have
property
there
and
property
there.
But
where
is
all
the
debris?
L
Gonna,
go
it's
going
to
go
on
Bayshore,
Boulevard
and
into
the
Lagoon
I,
really,
don't
know
how
many
of
you
have
seen
or
experienced
the
effects
of
the
slides
that
happened
on
January
31st
I
mean
December
31st
to
2020,
and
the
massive
massive
amount
of
material
that
came
down
off
of
San
Bruno
mountain
and
greatly
impacted
the
citizens
of
Brisbane,
as
well
as
traffic
on
Bayshore
everywhere,
so
I
really
I'm.
Sorry,
the
the
applicant
is
very
good
and
has
an
answer
for
everything
but
I'm.
Sorry,
I,
don't
feel
this
is
an
adequate
assessment.
L
I,
don't
feel
it's
an
adequate
biological
assessment
and
I
certainly
don't
feel
that
there
was
an
adequate
engineering
assessment,
as
pointed
out
by
commissioner,
say:
Islam
and
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
you
should
make
a
decision
now.
I
think
that
you
need
a
lot
more
information
and
a
lot
more
engineering.
But
before
you
make
this
massive
amount
of
decision
decision
on
this,
this
has
severe
impacts
and
I'm.
L
I
can't
remember
the
exact
date,
but
we
weren't
able
to
leave
Brisbane
Bay
Shore
was
flooded
from
that
you
could
not
leave
by
San
Bruno
Avenue
the
back
side
of
the
Hill.
You
could
not
leave
by
visitation.
It
was
all
underwater
and
I
think
that
a
lesson
is
to
be
learned
from
history
and
that
we
don't
repeat
the
mistakes
made
in
the
past
in
the
interest
of
one
project
that
I
don't
feel
as
well
defined
or
well
engineered.
L
So
I
really
appreciate
your
diligence
in
looking
into
this
and
believe
me.
If
this
does
go
to
the
council,
it
will
be
appealed
because
this
is
not,
while
you
may
think,
it's
feasible
feasible.
It's
not
reasonable
and
it's
not
sustainable
for
the
next
50
years
or
even
the
next
20
years.
So
I
really
appreciate
the
work
that
you
do.
Thank
you.
B
Misunderstood
sorry,
but
I
didn't
add
something
to
there's
been
a
couple
of
comments
about
the
biologic
and
biologic
survey,
but
what
people?
Maybe
they
do
understand,
the
callers
and
the
letters?
The
biologic
survey
is
not
something
I've
chosen,
the
parameters
and
the
scope,
which
is
not
something
I've
chosen,
that's
been
chosen
by
the
city
and
the
city
chooses
their
biologist
and
it
complies
the
plan
that
the
city
has
chosen.
B
Some
of
the
complaints
are
some
of
the
concerns
are
that
maybe
the
hcp
doesn't
go
far
enough
or
strong
enough
or
is
not
encompassing
enough,
but
again,
that's
not
something
I
have
any
control
over.
We
can
only
meet
the
requirements
of
the
hcp,
as
adopted
by
the
city,
so
I'm
I'll,
say
maybe
concerns
and
very
valid
ones
are
not
really
applicable
to
this
right.
No
thank.
C
M
I
guys
hi,
this
is
Chris
Davis,
a
geotechnical
engineer.
I
just
have
a
question.
It's
my
understanding
that
the
the
city
engineer
who's
a
licensed
civil
engineer
at
least,
has
reviewed.
Our
report
I
found
that
it
was
adequate
for
the
type
of
development
that's
being
proposed
and
the
type
of
cuts
that
are
being
proposed
and
the
city
Engineers
aware
of
the
conditions
of
the
Hillside
and
history,
which
was
was
discussed
in
our
report,
and
so
just
is.
Is
that
just
to
clarify?
M
G
G
K
C
E
Yeah
I'll
start
so
obviously
I
express
some
of
my
concerns
as
well
as
you.
You
both
have,
and
you
know,
I
I
just
feel
as
though
there's
there's
not
enough.
You
know
information
at
this
point
to
make
a
decision.
For
example,
one
you
know:
I
had
concerns
about
potential
fire
hazards
with
the
you
know,
Dead
debris
up
there
we're
not
quite
sure
who
owns
that
property
yeah.
You
know
I'd
like
to
pin
that
down.
E
You
know
and
if
that
area
does
belong
to
the
applicant
I
I
would
like
that
area
to
be.
You
know
a
a
dress
so
that
it
doesn't
oppose
a
fire
hazard
in
the
neighborhood.
The
other
issue
is
is
again
I'm
not
comfortable
with
the
geotechnical
report
that
was
submitted.
It
doesn't
I
I,
don't
have
confidence
that
that
it,
it
won't
contribute
to
the
sliding
problem,
the
soil
instability
that
currently
exists.
E
F
I
I
share.
Commissioner
science
sounds
concerns
that
that
we
don't
have
a
real
Comfort
level
as
to
the
the
geotechnical
aspects
of
this,
and
obviously
none
of
the
three
of
us
is
a
geotechnical
engineer,
and
this
is
the
the
problem
endemic
to
commissions
like
this
is
when,
when
do,
we
think
we
have
enough
and
what
is
our
power
under
the
new
new
structure
of
decision
making
on
grading
permits
and
they're
accompanying
use
permits?
F
D
I
think
it
could
be
peer-reviewed
through
the
city's.
We
have
a
geotechnical
consultant
who
works
for
the
building
division
or
through
the
building
Division
and
for
the
city
engineer.
Obviously,
that
would
have
to
be
at
the
applicant's
cost
as
well
and
that's
just
part
of
the
part
of
the
review
process.
D
What
I'm
hearing
is
there's,
maybe
two
different
things:
I'm
hearing
from
commissioner
sayasan
that
you're,
seeing
that
as
a
precursor
to
a
use,
permit
finding
and
I
think
what
commissioner
Gooding
is
talking
about
is
if
this
were
just
a
straight
grading
permit,
where
whatever
thoughts
you
had
about
a
grading
plan
are
just
advisory
to
the
city
engineer.
So
it
sounds
like
it's
coming
in
the
bucket
of
something.
That's
that's
determinative
of
the
use
permit
finding
and
you
want
that
before
you
were
to
make
a
decision
on
the
use.
Permit.
D
But
that's
well
again,
if
it's
in
the
context
of
a
use,
permit
and
you're
not
going
to
make
the
findings
for
approval
based
on
the
information
you
have
in
front
of
you,
then
you
wouldn't
condition
for
that.
The
finding
would
not
be
conditional.
You
need
to
have
enough
information
to
make
a
finding
of
approval.
D
I
E
E
E
You
know
in
terms
of
any
sliding
issues
or
whatever
one
and
and
two
I
want
to
confirm
if,
if
which
part
of
the
hillside
they
own,
and
if
it
contains
all
the
debris
that
I'm
concerned
about,
because
it's
a
fire
hazard
and
if
they
own
it,
then,
if
I'm
going
to
approve
the
use,
permit
I
want
them
to
take
care
of
it.
So
those
are
the
two
things.
That's
an
issue
for
me.
C
I
G
Presently,
this
this
property
doesn't
have
a
draft
operating
program,
it's
kind
of
under
the
sort
of.
Maybe
you
might
call
it
the
umbrella
one
for
the
Brisbane
Acres,
but
this
approval
here
would
would
establish
a
operating
program
specific
to
this
property
that
has
obligations
and
requirements
to
do
removal
of
a
invasive
species.
Things
of
that
nature,
and-
and
to
your
point,
commissioner,
Saison-
that
the
city
does
have,
they
actually
have
almost
two
different
sort
of
weed
abatement
ordinances.
G
E
Well,
yes,
yeah
and
when
we
did
exchange
emails
about
that,
except
for
I,
wasn't
sure,
because
I
thought
the
way
we
left
it.
You
weren't
sure
if,
if
this
is
the
current
state
of
the
property,
if
perhaps
afterwards,
the
applicant
did
clear
the
land,
but
according
from
based
upon
his
statement,
he
said
he's
not
done
any
of
that.
So
this
is
apparently
how
it.
It
probably
looks.
You
know,
and
if
it
looks
like
this
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
I
think
something
should
be
done.
The.
G
Fire
would
have
been
out
there
in
around
June
of
this
month.
They
go
out
the
the
beginning
of
Summer.
They
go
up
through
the
entire
city
to
to
do
a
kind
of
a
windshield
survey,
so
the
my
discussion
with
the
the
fire
inspector
probably
would
have
been
a
more
more
recent
recollection
of
the
property
than
that
that
photograph,
so.
G
D
The
city
would
not
have
performed
work
on
private
property
without
having
notified
the
property
owner,
giving
them
the
opportunity
to
do
the
work
and
the
last
resort
is
for
the
city
to
do
work
and
then
Bill
the
property
owner
So,
based
on
the
inspection
this
year
and
weekend.
If
this
is
going
to
be
continued,
we
will
certainly
get
some
something
in
writing
from
the
from
the
fire
marshal
about
the
results
of
the
inspection
for
your
for
your
review.
D
But
I
would
certainly
be
nervous
about
the
commission
putting
themselves
in
the
sort
of
serving
as
fire
marshal
or
buyer
inspector,
because
that
is
from
North
County
Fire
function.
They
do
this
every
year
there
are
city
ordinances
that
that
require
activity,
and
so
you'd
have
to
I
suspect.
You'd
have
to
have
something,
above
and
beyond
the
normal
condition,
where
you're
going
to
impose
a
requirement
higher
than
any
other
property
in
Brisbane.
B
C
B
C
B
Been
cleared,
and
that
was
part
of
why
we
have
to
do
the
nesting
bird
survey
and
we
also
had
Evan
from
San
Mateo
parks
to
do
a
clear
improv
in
order
to
prepare
topple
in
order
to
prepare
the
Civil
drawings.
Okay.
So
it's
just
dirt
right
now
it
is
dark.
Then
it's
all
been.
Does
erosion,
control,
netting
and
erosion
control,
blankets,
it's
almost
grass
again.
D
E
I
mean
if,
if
the
applicant
is
inclined
I,
I
I'm
sure
there
will
be
extra
costs,
so
I
guess
it
would
depend
if
we
continue
if
the
applicant
would
want
to
submit
the
additional
information
because
I,
what
I'm
hearing
from
my
fellow
Commissioners
is
what
we're
provided
with.
We
just
don't
feel,
as
we
have
enough
information
to
address
the
safety
and
aspect
that
we
have
to
consider.
Whether
this
use
permit
would
would
be
would
cause
an
endurance
effect
on
the
residents
and
and
the
surrounding
area.
So.
F
Yeah
I'm,
just
thinking
about
process
and
procedure
at
this
point
just
to
get
to
get
some
closure
on
this.
That
makes
makes
sense
staff.
My
question
would
be:
is
it
a
feasible
vehicle
to
use
to
continue
with
the
request
for
more
technical
geotechnical
information
and
if
the
applic
I
assume
just
thinking
out
loud?
If
the
applicant
chooses
not
to
not
to
fund
that,
then
we
would
act
on
whatever
information
we
have
available
when
we
next
meet
on
the
issue,
with
whatever
the
result
that
would
be
yeah.
D
We
would
be
doing
is
looking
at
someone
to
peer
review.
This
study,
yeah
and
they'll
make
their
own
determinations
as
to
its
adequacy
or
not
adequacy,
recommendations
whatever,
but,
yes,
I
would
be
up
to
the
applicant
to
fund
that
if
he
chose
not
to
fund
it,
we
wouldn't
have
any
more
information
to
bring
back
to
you
and
you
would
make
a
decision
based
on
the
information
available
to.
F
D
Know,
that's
all
you're
you.
What
you
have
is
a
use
in
front
of
you
right
that
is
involves
an
open
yard
being
created
and
some
grading
so
they're
going
to
be
looking
at
the
geotechnical
review
of
the
site
in
the
context
of
what
is
being
proposed.
They're
not
going
to
look
at
a
future.
Other
use,
that's
not
being
contemplated
at
this
point
because
the
geotechnical,
the
soil
engineering,
all
the
project
design,
is
to
support
a
project,
so
it'll
all
be
in
the
context
of
what
is
being
proposed
by
the
applicant.
D
So
the
applicant
is
proposing
grading.
So
that
is
going
to
be
the
the
world
of
the
you
know
of
what
the
geotechnical
review
is
evaluating.
You
know
look
at
the
previous
site
conditions
and
whatever
risk
of
upset
or
Landslide
or
what
have
you
and
that
should
be
adequately
characterized
in
the
context
of
what
is
being
proposed.
C
D
Because
of
the
grading
I
mean
to
the
extent
the
grading
could
create
a
instability.
I
mean
that's
really.
The
question
you're
asking
right
that
somehow
what
they're
doing
here
with
a
grading
context
is
creating
instability
that
would
be
I.
Think
a
fundamental
question
that
any
geotechnical
investigation
should
be
able
to
answer.
D
C
B
See
the
geotechnical
review
has
approved
the
use
for
what's
currently
designed
it's
my
understanding
if
it
goes
under
grading,
permit,
there's
further
engineering
required
at
the
grading
permit
level
there's
peer
review
because
on
there
the
walls
eventually
get
to
get
engineered
properly
and
submitted,
or
there
is
a
process
of
engineering
that
goes
outside
the
purview
of
this
report.
This
report
says
that
the
walls
should
be
adequate.
That
degrading
can
happen
at
that
area.
It
identifies
the
landslide.
It
identifies
everything.
That's
happened
there.
B
Historically,
what
it
is
saying
is
that
the
use
as
a
car
lot
is
acceptable.
Engineering
and
geologically
wise
when
it
goes
forward
to
grading
then
does
further
engineering
has
to
come
to
support
that,
and
if
that
engineering
din
does
not
support
the
retaining
walls,
then
they
will
not.
Allow
me
to
proceed.
B
K
G
This
is
like
a
a
conceptual
grading
plan
that
you're
looking
at
now,
and
the
Geotech
report,
as
as
applicant
said
kind
of
looked
at
the
current
use
and
looked
at
the
soil
conditions
there
for
this
use
kind
of
conceptually.
But
as
as
the
applicant
said
there,
there
still
needs
to
be
a
grading
permit,
applied
for
and
approved
by
the
city
engineer
and
those
retaining
walls
do
need
engineering
to
show
that
they
are
capable
of
of
holding
back
the
the
Mountainside.
G
D
I
know
I,
don't
I,
don't
believe.
That's
true,
because
you
have
you
have
again.
This
is
a
preliminary
review
you're
using
this
preliminary
review
to
make
certain
decisions
right
that
are
for
purposes
of
your
findings,
you're,
clearly
not
comfortable
with
the
results
of
this
preliminary
review
to
support
the
finding
at
the
moment.
So
we
would
have
someone
look
at
this
in
the
context
of
this
level
of
preliminary
review
and
basically
see
if
they,
if
a
peer
reviewer
reaches
the
same
conclusion,
and
they
may
have
the
same
conclusion
that,
yes,
we
believe
it's
going
to
be.
D
Okay
and
X,
Y
and
Z
need
to
be
done
in
further
engineering.
It's
not
the
practice
to
make
an
applicant
fully
design
a
project,
especially
that's
a
discretionary
review
that
you
could
end
up
denying
anyway.
That's
that's
not
it's
it's
in
a
way
very
similar
to
what
you
do
on
a
you
approve
a
building,
well,
you're
going
to
be
relying
that
the
building
is
built
pursuant
to
the
building
code
and
that
the
building
plans
will
comply
with
the
building
code.
We
don't
provide
you
full
engineered
drawings
of
a
structure
as
part
of
a
use.
D
Permit
or
a
design
permit
it's
in
my
mind,
no
different.
You
have
preliminary
conceptual
plans,
you
have
requirements
to
meet
the
the
law
and
you
have
technical
review
that
will
achieve
whatever
technical
requirements
are
made.
I
understand
your
concern
about
the
use,
permit
findings,
but
as
the
status
to
satisfy
that
we're
not
talking
about
having
him
fully
Design
This
engineer
his
grading
plan
and
bring
in
a
fully
engineered
grading
plan
before
the
commission.
That's
to
me
not
the
outcome
of
what
our
discussion
would
be.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
kind
of
clear.
So.
E
Essentially,
I
think
what
John
is
saying:
the
peer
review,
the
person
that's
doing
is
not
going
to
give
us
any
more
detailed
information.
So
he's
just
a
second
opinion.
So
if
we
want
additional
information,
we're
not
getting
it
through
the
peer
review.
We're
just
going
to
have
to
add
that
ask
the
applicant
get
it
from
his
geotechnical
expert.
E
E
You
know
I
think
that's
where
we're
left
with
or
we
can
decide
now,
because
I
know
how
I'll
vote
right
now,
because
it's
the
code
says
we
Grant
this
use
permit
if
we
find
that
it
won't
be
injurious
to
the
residents
or
the
neighborhood
I
mean
if
you
can
make.
If
you
feel
comfortable
making
that
finding,
then
then
okay,
but
I'm
not-
and
you
know
so,
if
we
rule
tonight-
I
I
won't
approve
it.
F
F
B
John
I
taught
the
parts
of
his
planning
was
that
the
proposed
use
are
the
expanded
use
met
with
the
current
use
and
the
current
report
and
the
concept
meets
with
the
zone.
I
was
under
the
assumption.
That's
what
this
meeting
was
for
and
just
like
what
John
was
mentioning.
All
the
other
engineering
happens
afterwards,
I
don't
have
the
qualifications
Mr
Davis
I
don't
want
to
do
qualifications.
The
peer
reviewer
had
so
I
can
spend
ten
thousand
dollars
more
with
this
guy
and
ten
thousand
dollars
more
with
your
peer
review.
B
Is
there
anybody
in
this
room
qualified
to
read
their
report?
I
I'm,
not
that
I,
don't
know
how
that
gets
us
to
the
next
step.
I
think
John
said
it
very
clearly:
it's
like
you're
making
a
decision
on
a
building
right
now
and
you're,
asking
the
applicant
to
completely
design
the
building
and
you're
asking
me
to
give
you
a
completely
designed
car
lot,
which
may
be
rejectedly
I.
E
Think
I
I
think
the
difference
is
if
the
initial
building
the
preliminary
design
that
was
being
submitted
showed
all
these
potential
problems
like.
If
you
were
even
going
to
start
it,
it
would
start
to
kind
of
fall
down.
Then
you
know:
that's
where
you
stop,
you
know
I
mean
normally
we
wouldn't.
We
wouldn't
need
to
go
into
further
details,
but
this
preliminary
report
that
was
provided
it
just
like
my
initial
reaction.
E
Was
it
it's
bringing
up
a
lot
more
questions
than
giving
me
answers
that
will
make
me
feel
confident
because
I'm
looking
at
this
and
said,
wow
he's
really
I
mean
I.
I
read
this
and
I
felt
like
he's
not
really
comfortable.
With
this
report,
I
mean
it's,
that's
the
feeling
I
got
from
reading
it
because
he's
because
you
know
he
goes
through
the
history
of
the
slides
and
he
says:
oh,
it
might
have
a
minimal
impact.
But,
however
I
didn't
do
this.
B
F
I
I
I'm,
not
oblivious
to
the
the
quandary
you
see
yourself
in,
but
the
one
we're
in
is
that
we're
obliged
to
determine
whether
or
not
this
use
will
be
injurious
or
detrimental
to
property
and
improvements
in
the
neighborhood
or
the
general
welfare
of
the
city.
And
we
don't
feel
that
we
have
enough
information
before
us
to
make
that
particular
finding,
whether
it's
because
of
the
way
geotechnical
Engineers
talk
or
whether
it's
because
of
the
extent
of
information
that
they
think
they
are
minimally
obliged
to
provide
to
us
at
this
stage.
C
C
A
C
And
completed
that
Our
concern
is
that
you
know
yeah.
If
there
was
some
building,
then
we
saw
that
you
know
it
could
be
potentially
dangerous.
You
know
it's
like
that.
We
wouldn't
prove
that
in
kind
of
in
the
in
the
same
realm
here,
you
know
concerned
about
the
the
safety
for
the
for
the
community,
because
we
don't
have
that
information,
but
once
again
you
know
that,
but
you've
already,
you
know,
satisfied
all
the
requirements
for
this.
You
know
this
first
step
in
the
process.
G
Through
the
chair,
so
the
the
conditions
of
approval
included
with
with
this
state
that
that
it
is
approved,
provided
that
the
next
steps
are
followed.
So
if
the
next
steps
are
not
followed
or
the
applicant
is
unable
to
follow
them,
say
as
it
relates
to
the
the
Geotech
or
the
engineering,
then
the
the
approval
kind
of
expires.
G
E
That's
true
Jeremiah,
but
if
that
was
the
case,
then
what
would
be
our
role
because
then,
if,
if
you
know,
if
the
next
person
has
to
approve
it,
then
you're
you're
clear
you
don't
have
to
make
any
ruling.
You
know
the
next
person
will
take
care
of
it.
If
it
doesn't,
you
know,
if
it's
not
going
to
work,
then
they
won't
approve
it.
You
know
so
I
mean
I,
I,
don't
know
what
our
role
is
and
if,
if
it's
not
to
make
that
preliminary,
you
know
decision
yeah,.
G
E
E
So
not
just
that
report
I'm
I'm,
I'm
taking
in
I'm,
you
know
from
from
Dana
Dilworth
from
Emmett
Cunningham
from
Michelle
salmon,
so
we've
heard
their
evidence,
their
anecdotal
evidence
and
and
we're
looking
at
the
staff
report,
that's
provided
and
this
geotechnical
report,
which
you
know
actually
added
more
concerns
for
me.
So
you
know
I
think
I,
think
you
know
those
are
all
things
that
we
are
rightly
able
to
consider
and
and
based
upon
that
I'm
I'm,
not
comfortable
with
approving
this.
E
I
think
I
I
will
just
make
a
motion
to
continue
it
and
and
if
the
applicant
wants
to
submit
further
information,
he
can
we
can
have
another
hearing.
And
if,
because
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
Prejudice
him
to
having
to
refile
in
a
year.
And
if
you
know
he
doesn't
want
to
have
another
hearing,
then
you
know
then
so
be
it
and
you
know
but
I
think
to
give
him
the
opportunity
to
continue
the
hearing.
And
maybe
even
you
know
there
might
be
even
further
public
comment
that
would
Enlighten
us
further
as
well.
So.
F
I
D
D
C
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