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A
B
A
If,
if
folks
could
mute
when
they're,
not
talking
that'd
be
great,
so
just
let's
just
quickly
look
at
the
new
business
items
and
we'll
also
talk
about
public
comment.
So
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
affordable
housing
committee's
calendar
over
the
next
couple
of
months,
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation
on
the
mckinney-vento
following
up
on
some
of
the
homeless
discussions,
we've
been
having
also
on
that
we're
gonna
have
some
follow
up
on
some
of
the
questions.
A
The
last
meeting,
we're
gonna,
have
a
presentation
on
voucher
data
and
then
we're
also
gonna
have
a
discussion
and
presentation
around
our
goals
and
policies
with
an
eye
towards
thinking
ahead
towards.
You
know
further
county
commission
discussions
at
briefing
meetings
and
then
eventually,
you
know
more
formal
consideration
at
a
regular
meeting.
So
any
questions
about
any
items
on
our
agenda
for
today.
B
Certainly
so
in
terms
of
the
public
comment,
we
have
our
traditional
means,
so
we
had
actually
gone
to
all
public
input
being
in
person.
If
the
committee
will
recall-
and
the
public
will
remember-
but
obviously
we've
gone
back
to
a
virtual
meeting
scenario
with
the
notice
of
the
meeting.
There
was
an
opportunity
to
submit
input
in
writing
before
the
meeting
occurred
and
we
did
not
have
or
did
not
receive
any
input
in
advance
of
that
of
the
meeting.
B
So
we
now
also
have
transitioned
the
platform
under
which
we
provide
access
to
the
meeting
to
be
the
engage.buncombe
site.
So
if
anyone
is
here
that
requires
a
pre-registration
in
order
to
provide
comment
through
that
platform,
and
that
will
be
the
means
by
which
we
could
engage
virtually
going
forward
until
such
time
as
we
move
back
potentially
to
taking
public
input
in
person.
Outside
of
that
general
comment,
a
public
comment
will
be
taken
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
as
per
the
agenda
and
we
would
be
able
to.
There
are
no
other.
A
C
A
C
A
B
Yeah,
so
this
will
be
very
brief.
We
really
don't
have
any
significant
updates
to
the
calendar
at
this
point.
It's
just
a
reminder
that,
beginning
at
our
next
meeting
in
february,
we'll
have
a
few
additional
items.
Looking
at
a
comprehensive
plan
presentation,
what
are
other
counties
doing
regarding
homelessness
and
then
some
goal
settings
surrounding
homelessness,
then,
at
our
mid-february
meeting
we'll
be
providing
an
update
on
the
status
of
our
contracts
for
the
fiscal
year.
B
21
and
22
program,
affordable
housing
services
program,
as
well
as
providing
some
opportunity
for
some
additional
goal,
settings
surrounding
homelessness
and
then
thereafter
will
really
move.
The
work
of
the
committee
will
be
surrounding
the
affordable
housing
services
program,
application
which
is
slated
to
close
on
february
the
11th.
So
that
would
be
a
focused
effort
by
staff
in
the
committee
over
the
march
and
april
time
period
in
order
to
make
recommendations
to
the
full
board
regarding
the
funding
of
projects
and
also
budget
requests.
A
A
I've.
You
know
I
I
feel
pretty
good
about
where
we're
at
right
now,
as
we
think
about
these,
these,
these
bigger
goals
and
things
like
that-
I
don't
know
if
at
some
point
it
may
be,
maybe
after
we
go
through,
maybe
if
we
go
through
this
year
and
part
of
it
should
be
kind
of
a
kind
of
a
reflection
on
like
do.
We
still
feel
like
this
is
the
right
process
for
for
future
years
or
any
any
kind
of
changes
needed.
A
D
E
D
First,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
committee
for
allowing
us
to
come
on
and
just
kind
of
provide
some
information
on
what
shannon
and
I
both
do
to
support
our
students
and
families
with
both
our
school
districts.
We
are
going
to
provide
an
overview
and
definition
of
what
mckinney-vento
is
a
definition
of
unaccompanied
homeless
youth.
D
B
D
D
G
D
You
guys
to
the
next
slide
perfect,
so
just
an
overview
of
the
definition
of
how
we
identify
students
in
our
systems,
so
mckinney
bento,
the
term
refers
homeless.
Children
use
that
lack
a
fixed,
adequate
and
nighttime
resonance
fix
is
a
resident
says,
stationary,
permanent
and
not
subject
to
change.
D
D
D
We
identify
victims
of
human
trafficking
and
I
will
say
our
victims
of
human
trafficking
that
we
identify
for
mckinney
bento
are
all
labor
trafficking
victims,
and
then
we
focus
on
on
our
unaccompanied
homeless,
youth
that
are
also
living
in
those
mckinney,
but
definition
as
above
you
can
go
to
the
next
one,
please
so
our
unaccompanied
homeless,
youth.
This
is
our
most
vulnerable
population
that
we
serve.
D
I
unaccompanied
homeless,
youth
is
any
student,
that's
not
living
in
the
physical
custody
of
a
parent
or
legal
guardian
and
meets
the
criteria
for
a
mckinney-vento
situation,
and
that
includes
lacking
a
residence
that
is
fixed,
adequate,
sorry,
fixed
and
adequate.
Our
unaccompanied
homeless
youth
we
like
to
consider.
We
call
them
couchsurfing
because
basically
they're,
just
bouncing
around
from
couch
to
couch
with
family
members
or
friends,
perfect,
so
they're
on
their
own
and
that
they
end
up
in
these
situations
because
of
family
conflicts
or
crisis.
That
might
be
occurring
in
the
home.
D
We
do
have
a
few
that
are
there,
because
parents
have
been
incarcerated,
sex
abuse
is
prevalent,
illness
or
death
of
family
or
illness,
or
death
of
parents
or
legal
guardians
foster
care.
If
a
student
chooses
the
age
of
foster
care
at
18
and
they
do
not
have
a
regular
residence,
then
we
identify
them
as
mckinney
bento,
their
family
also
might
be
homeless
on
their
own.
D
So
if
a
family
is
homeless,
sometimes
it's
easier
for
our
other
companies
who
ask
you
to
find
other
places
to
reside
a
lot
of
our
unaccompanied
homeless.
Youth
have
been
asked
to
leave
a
home,
and
that
can
be
due
to
conflicts
or
crisis.
The
crisis
that
might
be
occurring
or
they
can
choose
to
just
leave
the
home
on
their
own
because
of
safety
issues,
and
then
finally,
some
of
our
students
have
been
have
been
abandoned
by
their
family
members.
D
D
So
with
that
definition-
and
I
know,
there's
a
lot
there
and
we
did
open
up
time
for
questions
and
discussions
at
the
end
for
any
questions
that
might
be
for
any
questions
that
you
might
have
regarding
that
definition
and
the
services
that
we
provide,
but
with
the
definition
that
the
definition
for
mckinney-vento
spans
across
all
school
districts
in
every
state
in
the
united
states-
and
so
that's
very
consistent.
But
what
happens
is
when
you
start
looking
at
numbers
and
data
and
how
the
program
runs
is
ran.
Then
it
becomes
different
across
districts.
D
So
for
our
identified
students,
I
provided
the
past
four
years
of
data
and
then
I
added
also
this
current
school
year
for
asheville
city
schools.
We
currently
have
148
students
that
are
identified
and
if
you
look
at
our
total
number
of
students
for
the
2020
2020
school
year,
that
was
155,
so
we're
very
close
to
meeting
that
number
already
and
we're
only
halfway
through
the
semester.
Halfway
through
the
school
year,
buncombe
county
currently
has
355
students
identified
for
our
unaccompanied
homeless
youth.
We
also
kind
of
break
this
down
for
them
as
well.
D
D
We'll
get
to
the
next
slide,
oh
thank
you,
and
so
like.
I
was
saying
when
you,
when
you're,
comparing
data
across
school
systems.
Of
course,
it's
going
to
be
broken
up
a
little
bit
differently
so
for
ashland
city
schools.
If
we
want
to
break
it
up
into
age
groups,
we
do
pre-k
through
5th
middle
school
is
considered
6th
through
8th
high
school
is
nine
through
12,
and
then
we're
also
required
to
identify
birth
through
five.
D
And
then,
when
we're
looking
at
buncombe
county
schools,
they
identify
just
a
little
bit
differently
when
they
break
it
up
they
do
k
through
six
middle
is
seven
through
eight.
Their
high
school
is
ninth
through
early
college,
and
then
they
also
do
birth
through
five
and
I've
provided
data
of
our
identifications
for
the
past
two
school
years,
and
then
this
current
one.
D
So
we
break
our
demographics
up
into
the
current
situation
and,
like
I
said,
most
of
our
students
are
identified
in
national
city,
schools
and
buncombe
county
schools
are
doubled
up
and
again.
This
is
because,
due
to
economic
hardships,
or
just
the
loss
of
housing
and
they're
living
with
family
members
or
friends
of
the
family,
and
so
that's
where
most
of
our
students
come
from,
our
identification
comes
from.
So
currently
we
have
135
students
who
are
doubled
up.
We
also
look
at
hotel
and
motel
situations.
D
We
do
shelter
and
then
our
unsheltered
are
those
students
that
are
identified
as
living
in
cars
campgrounds
and
that
uninhabitable
type
of
housing
where
they
might
be
lacking
water
or
electricity.
And
when
you
look
over
at
buncombe
county
schools,
numbers
they're
pretty
comparable
to
what
we're
seeing
in
asheville
city
schools
as
well.
E
All
right,
thank
you,
so
yeah
federal
funding,
we
have
a
couple
of
sources
for
funding.
The
federal
funding
comes
based
on
the
number
of
students
that
we
identify,
and
so
it's
a
three-year
grant,
subgrant
that
we
receive,
and
so
like
asheville
city,
would
receive
thirty
thousand
for
the
three
years
that
they
will
work,
federal
funding
and
then
buncombe
county,
of
course,
would
receive
the
45
000
and
that's
based
on
the
number
of
students
that
we
identify
within
a
school
year.
E
the
thing
with
the
federal
funding
you
you
look
at
those
numbers,
especially
the
arp
funds,
and
it's
like
this
great
amount
of
specific
you
can
spend
those
funds,
and
so
when
we
think
of
families
being
needing
assistance
with
rent
or
needing
help
with
maybe
a
security
deposit
or
needing
to
stay
in
a
hotel
motel.
Those
federal
funds
cannot
be
used
for
any
of
that,
so
we
did
get
on
the
prc,
184
funds.
We
did
just
get
some
information
that
we
could
spend
a
small
amount
on.
E
And
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
services
that
are
provided
with
mckinney-vento,
federal
funding,
just
transportation,
school
materials
we
pay
for
tutors
case
managers,
caps
and
gowns
bus
passes,
field
trips
and
then
professional
development
for
jessica
and
myself
or
our
school
social
workers
who
work
really
closely
with
our
families
and
who
are
vital
in
making
those
mckinney-vento
referrals
to
us
and
next
slide.
Please
all
right.
So
these
are
other
services
that
are
provided
and
that's
through
that
non-federal
funding.
E
We
fund
the
buncombe
county
schools,
family
resource
center
jessica,
and
I
we
do
totally
opposite
different
things.
So
I
have
services
within
buncombe
county
that
serve
buncombe,
county
students
and
families,
and
then
jessica
has
services
within
asheville
city
that
serves
her
students
and
families.
We
are
two
separate
ident.
You
know
we
do
the
same
thing
but
we're
separate.
So
we
do
provide
food
boxes
and
clothing
and
diapers
hygiene,
laundry,
detergent,
furniture
bedding.
E
We
we
assist
with
finding
financial
assistance
for
rent
deposits,
utilities
jessica,
and
I
both
have
a
memorandum
of
understanding
with
the
housing
authority
of
asheville
and
that
works
really
well
with
our
families
who
agree
to
work
with
jessica
and
myself.
Once
they
receive
permanent
housing,
we
would
work
with
them
for
a
year
once
they
move
into
permanent
housing.
E
We
have
seen
that
happen,
and
so
that's
really
been
a
really
great
collaboration
with
with
this,
with
the
housing
authority,
we
collaborate
with
local
organizations
and
agencies,
a
lot
of
faith-based
organizations,
biltmore,
church,
brookstone,
church
or
huge
partners
with
us,
and
we
also
use
the
non-federal
funding
for
professional
development
and
then
just
linking
students
and
families
to
services
based
on
their
needs.
Food
stamps,
mental
health
services,
birth
certificates,
federal
documents,
families
when
they
come
in
to
the
center
to
work
with
us.
E
D
Thank
you
shannon,
so
we
have
provided
just
a
couple
of
stories
from
our
families
and
honestly
we
could
provide
hundreds,
but
we
wanted
to
give
you
just
an
idea
of
what
it
looks
like
for
our
families
in
buncombe,
county
and
nashville
city,
schools
and,
honestly,
you
know
these
stories
make
it
a
little
bit
more
real,
I'm
the
first
one.
We
have
a
family
of
steaks,
I'm
currently
working
with
they've
been
living
in
a
hotel,
since
basically
covet
happened.
D
They
are
still
living
there
because
you
know
there's
just
no
available
housing
as
of
right,
yet
they
have
been
approved
for
an
apartment
with
the
housing
authority
but,
like
I
said,
there's
just
nothing
yet
so
they
are
just
kind
of
still.
You
know
waiting
in
the
hotel,
motel
situation
that
they're
in
and
get
to
the
next
slide,
and
then
we
also
have
students
some
of
our
unaccompanied
homeless
youth
that
are
migratory
youth.
They
come
up
here
and
they
work
to
financially
support
their
families.
D
Back
in
you
know,
guatemala
is
where
the
student
is
from.
They
take
care
of
themselves,
but
we
also
provide
them
assistance
with
obtaining
driver's
license
and
ids,
and
sometimes
we
work
on
getting
their
original
birth
certificates
up
here
and
assisting
them
with
caps
and
gowns
and
anything
that
they
might
need
to
graduate
and
be
successful.
Even
though
they
are
up
here
living
on
their
own
and
doing
everything
that
we
do
all
day
long
plus
going
to
school.
D
G
F
I
just
think
thank
you
for
putting
that
together
certainly
learned
a
lot
a
lot
of
stuff-
I
didn't
know
I
didn't
know
in
there-
certainly
one
of
the
it's
a
sad
topic
to
say
the
least,
but
but
I
appreciate
what
you
guys
do,
and
hopefully
this
this
is
something
I
can
come
back
to
and
reference
in
the
future
to
answer
those
questions.
So
thanks
again,
thank.
G
D
We
also
work
on
that
side
as
well,
so
we,
you
know,
we
really
rely
on
our
organizations
here
in
asheville
city
and
buncombe
county
they're,
amazing,
and
we
couldn't
do
what
we
do
without
them.
So
we've
done
a
great
job
of
trying
to
prevent
those
evictions
and
paying
off
those
past
that
set
families
might
so
that
they
they
qualify.
E
G
A
E
I
think
you
know
for
us
in
buncombe
county,
oh,
go
ahead,
go
ahead,
shannon
yeah,
I
think,
for
us
in
buncombe
county
out
of
let's
say
last
year.
I
don't
even
know
what
that
number
was.
But
you
know
maybe
the
sad
part
is
maybe
20
families
moved
into
permanent
housing,
25
families,
which
is
great.
You
know,
that's
a
good,
that's
a
that's
a
great
number,
but
we
are
seeing
our
families
the
the
ones
that
are
identified,
they're
being
reidentified.
You
know
each
school
year
so
and
that's
that's.
What's.
D
D
We
do
see
multiple
families
that
will
be
on
our
list
for
years
and,
unfortunately,
you
know
we
also
have
families
that
obtain
permanent
housing
and
then
they
lose
it
again
and
they're
back
on
our
list.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
new
families.
We
have.
Quite
you
know
it's
very
interesting.
We
have
quite
a
micronesian
population
that
has
come
into
the
city
and
so
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
new
families
a
lot
of
people
moving
their
family
members
here
right
now,
which
is
nothing
I've
seen
in
the
past
couple
of
years,.
A
Okay,
great
and
then
just
one
of
the
questions,
I
would
ask
each
of
you
maybe
just
just
kind
of
like
a
maybe
a
brief
answer
on
this,
but
like
if
there's,
if
there's
one
or
two
things
that
buncombe
county
could
do,
and
maybe
it's
a
policy
or
maybe
it's
a
funding
or
whatever
it
is.
You
know,
however,
you'd
like
to
answer.
If
there's
one
or
two
things,
we
could
do
to
positively
impact
this
part
of
our
community
and
this
set
of
issues
like
what
what
would
you
suggest
we
be
thinking
about.
E
Sorry
jessica,
I
think,
for
buncombe
county
one
of
the
things
that
is
really
hard
for
our
families
is
a
lot
of
families
do
not
want
to
move
into
the
city;
they
don't
want
to
move
into
a
lot
of
those.
You
know
housing
projects,
those
areas,
and
so
a
lot
of
our
families
will
wait.
You
know
they'll
sit
on
the
waiting
list
for
a
voucher
or
for
a
for
you
know
the
tenant,
based
vouchers
and
so
more.
E
You
know,
I
think,
housing
out
in
the
county,
so
more
of
that
affordable
housing
for
our
families
to
move
into
so
they're
used
to
living.
You
know
in
that
you
know
in
leicester
or
in
inca
or
out
in
those
areas
and
that's
where
they
they
have
been
born
and
raised,
and
they
want
to
stay
there
and
there's
just
not
there's
just
not
enough
housing
for
them.
D
And
I
would
have
to
piggyback
on
the
housing
as
well,
but
also
just
that
awareness
and
just
the
awareness
that
this
is
occurring,
and
you
know
our
city
and
our
county
and
that
we
do
have
these
families
that
are
struggling
and
that
you
know
our
numbers
are
going
to
continue
to
go
up.
You
know
due
to
covid
and
the
lack
of
affordable
housing
and
that
type
of
stuff,
so.
A
H
Hi,
so
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
a
couple
of
questions
that
you
had.
Unfortunately,
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please,
unfortunately,
we
weren't
able
to
answer
all
your
questions.
We're
still
working
on
one
of
the
questions
about
the
zip
code
where
folks
had
spent
the
night
the
night
before
and
our
friends
at
the
city
are
helping
us
gather
that
information
so,
but
I
did
want
to
go
over
these
four
questions
that
you
had.
A
Before
we
before,
we
leave
that,
so
is
there
anything
else
that
you
could
say
about
when
they,
when
you
when
they
say
that
they're
referred
to
other
housing
opportunities.
So,
but
what
is
that
right?
Like
I
mean,
are
people
really
stuck,
or
I
mean
you
know
like
what
is
what
does
that
look
like
yeah,
you
gotta,
you
know
if
you've
got
a
criminal
record
or
you've
got
some
other
stuff
in
your
past.
That
makes
it
really
hard
to
pass
one
of
these
tenant
screening.
A
H
A
Well,
I
guess
I
guess
I
would
just
say
I
I'd
like
I'd
like
to
kind
of
just
continue.
You
know
not
not
our
meeting
today,
but
just
like
I'd
like
to
just
kind
of
continue
to
kind
of
explore
this
and
understand
it
in
terms
of
like
what
the
numbers
are
I
mean,
is
it?
Is
it
a
big
percentage
of
folks
that
do
get
denied,
or
is
it
quite?
You
know.
H
It's
a
small
number,
I
think
it
was
around.
You
know.
80
of
the
folks
are
approved
and
then
the
remaining
20
are
denied
and
they
have
there's
three
categories
for
denial
and
I
have
a
little
a
table
that
I'm
going
to
be
afforded.
You
forwarding
you
in
an
email,
so
I'm
working
with
the
provider
to
to
get
that
email
together
for
you,
okay,.
A
Well,
that
that
would
be
great
because
it
does
seem
like
I
mean,
as
we
think
about,
I
mean,
of
course,
there's
just
this
huge
need
that
you
know
we're
talking
about
with
our
goals
to
build
tons
of
affordable
housing.
There's
tons
of
people
who,
who
who
would
you
know,
not
have
an
issue
with
a
tenant
screening
application,
but
still
there's
no
housing
for
them,
but
it
does.
It
does
seem
like
for
the
folks
who
who
have
challenges
passing
that,
even
as
we
build
a
lot
more
affordable
housing,
it
does
seem
like
a
subset
of
folks.
A
H
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
as
the
more
I
delve
into
this.
The
more
I
see
it's
all
you
know
interrelated
here
in
terms
of
affordable
housing,
homelessness.
All
of
these
processes
interact
so
questions
number.
Three
and
four.
You
ask
about
a
number
of
individuals
in
rapid
rehousing,
currently
there's
178
and
then
number
four
was
permanent,
supportive
housing.
We
currently
have
581
units
and,
as
you
know,
we
have
185
planned
for
that
are
going
to
be
available.
2023.
H
If
you
look
at
the
table
for
chronic
homelessness
that
154
there
20
of
those
chronic
homeless
individuals
are
going
to
be
able
to
access.
Can
you
go
back?
Thank
you
are
going
to
be
able
to
access
those
50
veteran
voucher.
Excuse
me
units,
so
we've
really
got
if
by
making
sense,
we've
got
134
chronic
individuals
once
you
take
those
20
veterans
out
who
will
be
able
to
use
those
134
units
that
are
with
homeward
bound
and
step
up?
H
A
The
like,
maybe
I
mean
we're
kind
of
a
glass
half
full
kind
of
take
on
it
too.
Is
that,
like
any
of
these
numbers,
of
course,
are
never
static
they're
changing
over
time,
but
that
these
two
important
projects
going
forward
do
provide
the
additional
permanent
supportive
housing
units
that
are
needed
for
a
very
high
percentage
of
the
identified
need
in
the
community
too.
Right.
H
D
H
H
As
we
think
about,
as
we
think
about
what
our
goals
might
be
for
homelessness,
matt-
and
I
have
found
this
graphic
to
be
helpful
when
thinking
about
where
we
might
be
able
to
impact
the
system
from
the
affordable
housing
services
program
perspective,
and
so
we've
put
at
the
bottom
of
the
slide,
the
various
services
that
we
provide
and
what
areas
that
they
can
impact.
So
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
with
you
kind
of
prompt
you
to
start
thinking
about
what
some
goals
might
be
around
homelessness.
A
I
got
you
know
one
thing:
one
thing
it
may
I
don't
know.
Maybe
if
there's
someone
who
can
comment
on
this,
you
know
during
a
meeting
or
maybe
it's
a
maybe
a
follow-up
thing.
One
of
the
things
I
would
be
interested
in
just
learning
more
about
is.
I
knew
that
I
mean
the
city's
been
the
lead
on
this,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
much
the
county
staff
might
be
looped
in
on
it,
but
on
the
ramada
inn
property
and
the
plans
to
move
that
forward
with
the
I'm
sorry.
H
A
Step
up
yeah,
so
I
would
just
be
interested
in
learning
more
about
that
model.
Right,
like
I
think
we
all
like
learned
a
lot
about
the
days
in
project,
because
we
were
a
big
investor
in
it
and
we've.
You
know
all
done
due
diligence
on
that
and
and
with
the
step
up,
you
know
the
partnership
between
the
city
and
step
up
moving
ahead
on
that
property.
That
kind
of
I
mean
they've
probably
been
working
on
it.
A
You
know
for
a
while,
but
like
we
all
just
kind
of
learned
that
learned
about
it
more
recently,
so
I
would
just
be
curious
to
just
learn
more
about
it
in
terms
of
how
that
works.
Right,
like
I
mean
there's,
I
think
my
understanding
is
there
is
I
don't
know
if
this
is
formal
or
informal,
but
there's
been
some
requests
about
whether
the
county
can
financially.
A
You
know,
be
a
partner
at
some
level
on
that
project.
I
know
there's
been
conversations
about
that.
I
don't
know
if
that's
in
the
form
of
any
kind
of
formal
written
proposal
to
the
county
at
this
point
or
not,
but
but
it's
in
the
context
of
the
totality
of
the
project
like
it's.
I
don't
know.
I
guess
I'm
just
saying
I'd
like
to
understand
how
it
financially
works.
A
Right,
like
we
were
talking
about
potentially
investing
very
large
sums
of
money
between
you
know
various
partners
around
low
barrier,
shelter
at
that
facility
and
now
there's
there's
kind
of
this
different
plan,
and
so
anyway,
I'm
just.
I
would
love
to
kind
of
understand
more
about
how
that's
all
working,
whether
the
county
ends
up
being
a
big
or
minor
financial
partner
in
it
or
not.
Just
since
it's
an
important
project
to
understand
like
how's
that
how
are
they
pulling
that
off.
H
A
F
H
Any
things
everything's
on
the
table-
I
was
thinking
in
terms
of
the
programming
that
we
provide.
You
know
so,
for
example,
tenant-based
rental
assistance
and
emergency
repair,
if
they're,
if
they're
changes
or
improvements
or
whatnot,
that
you
want
to
do
to
any
of
the
programs
that
we're
already
offering
that's
more.
What
I
was
thinking,
but,
okay.
F
C
A
All
right,
so
next
up
is
a
further
kind
of
review
around
voucher
data
in
the
community
and
how
those
programs
are
working
in
buncombe
county.
This
is
a
follow-up
on
some
previous
discussions.
We've
had
on
this
topic
to
better
understand
it
and
the
role
that
vouchers
play
and
could
play
in
addressing
these
challenges
going
forward.
So
simple,
is
this
you
as
well?
Yes,.
H
Great
yes,
so,
as
the
chairman
mentioned,
we
had
two
previous
presentations
on
vouchers,
one
from
kate,
pett
and
then
also
from
david
nash,
from
the
housing
authority
and
staff.
Had
some
questions
and
I
believe
commissioners
had
a
few
questions.
So
I
wanted
to
try
to
address
those
and
then
ask
you
all
if
you
are
interested
in
creating
a
goal
around
vouchers
or
if
that's
something
that
you
feel
that
the
our
rental
goal
would
meet.
So
that's
kind
of
the
question
for
this
presentation.
H
Of
course
you
don't
need
to
make
a
decision
today,
but
would
love
to
hear
your
your
thoughts.
So
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
I
did
reach
out
to
david.
He
was
incredibly
helpful
in
helping
me
pull
all
this
together
and
I
did
ask
him:
you
know
what
are
the
barriers
to
vouchers
and
he
named
three
primary
barriers.
H
One
is
the
low
monthly
payments
and,
of
course
the
housing
authority
is,
you
know,
always
in
the
process
of
trying
to
increase
those
those
payments
as
the
market
changes
and
the
second
one
is
housing
discrimination
and
that
is
managed
to
the
state.
They
manage
the
fair
housing
regulations
and
then
the
third
one
is
really
the
one
that
we're
going
to
spend
most
of
time
talking
about
today
and
that's
the
lack
of
units.
H
So
I
want
to
answer
how
many
vouchers
are
authorized
for
buncombe
county
at
the
federal
level
and
how
many
are
not
able
to
be
used
and
that's
really
the
voucher
gap
and
then,
in
addition
to
the
gap,
there's
also
a
wait
list.
So
it's
really
the
gap
plus
the
wait
list.
That
gives
you
the
need
for
these
vouchers
and
then
that's
the
that's.
The
ultimate
question
is
you
know
what
is
the
need
for
vouchers
for
individuals
at
50,
ami
and
below
so
next
slide?
H
So
the
federal
government
provides
3414
vouchers
for
buncombe
county.
That's
the
total
of
both
of
these
charts.
The
chart
on
the
left
is
really
what
we're
going
to
spend
time
talking
about
today
and
that's
the
public
housing
voucher
program.
We
have
around
1
500
vouchers
for
public
housing
and
then
the
tenant-based
voucher
program.
H
That's
the
program
where,
where
individuals
can
work
with
a
private
landlord
to
get
housing
and
there's
around
13
a
little
over
1300
vouchers
in
that
program,
the
column
to
the
right
is
specialized
groups
who
receive
vouchers,
and
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
that
one
at
all.
I
don't.
I
don't
know
too
much
about
that.
H
So
this
really
just
shows
you
that
the
voucher
gap
that
we're
talking
about
is
this
400
units
for
for
public
housing
vouchers,
the
our
public
housing
facilities
are
filled.
100,
of
course,
there's
always
days
where
you
know
people
are
moving
in
people
are
moving
out.
So
it's
it's
not
it's
not
technically
a
hundred
percent.
A
H
H
But
what
he's
told
me
is
that
at
any
given
time,
if
you
were
to
call
up
someone
on
that
wait
list,
half
of
the
individuals
on
that
wait
list
have
already
found
housing
or
moved,
or
you
know
what
not.
So
what
the
need
really
is
at
any
given
moment
it's
about
half
of
that
819,
which
is
410
units
same
for
tenant-based
waitlist,
there's
around
2248
units
needed,
but
at
any
given
time
about
half
of
those
about
half
of
those
folks
have
have
moved
on.
So
there's
a
need
of
1124
units.
H
However,
as
we
heard
from,
I
think
it
was
shannon
with
the
county.
Today
she
mentioned
that
individuals
out
in
the
county.
They
want
to
live
out
in
the
county.
They
want
to
live
in.
You
know
a
single
family
residence
they're,
not
interested
necessarily
in
living.
You
know
in
a
multi-family
unit
in
the
city
limits,
and
that
is
that
is
true.
Most
households
prefer
the
tenant-based
rental
program
and
also
reach
research
does
show
that,
but
that
living
in
a
mixed
area
of
diverse
incomes
has
benefits
beyond
for
those
those
households.
A
A
I
mean:
isn't
it
true
that
the
vast
majority
of
the
tenant-based
voucher
tenants
are
tenants
in
multi-family
tax
credit
projects
like
that?
Probably
is
like
the
vast
majority
of
where
this
tenant-based
voucher
folks
they
may
or
may
not
be
in
this
city
limits.
I
mean
some
of
them
are
some
of
them
aren't,
but
a
lot
of
those
tenant
vouchers
are
in
are
in
apartments
right,
not
single-family,
homes.
A
Yeah
the
well,
maybe
we
should
we.
Let's
definitely
have
that
as
kind
of
a
follow-up
question
I
mean
you
know
from
just
having
a
conversation
with
one
of
the
mho
folks
and
they
said
that,
like
half
about
half
of
all
the
residents
of
all
the
various
tax
credit
projects
that
have
been
developed
over
many
years
again,
some
of
which
are
in
the
city,
some
of
which
are
in
the
county
about
half
of
their
tenants,
are,
are
voucher
holders.
So
big.
H
A
Big
percentage-
I
was
I
kind
of
interpreted
that
comment
earlier,
a
bit
about
like
concerns
around
living
in
public
housing,
as
opposed
to
necessarily
like
multi-family
housing
per
se,
but
you
know
that
was
just
my
take
on
it,
but
I'm
not
sure
you
know
that
could
be
a
follow-up
question
too.
I
guess.
H
And
this
is
just
getting
us
to
the
question
of
whether
you
want
to
set
a
separate
goal
for
vouchers
or
if
you,
you
feel,
like
the
the
rental
unit
goal,
captures
or
impacts
the
need
there.
You'll
see
here,
you
know
the
the
need
for
the
night,
essentially
2000
units,
that's
captured
in
the
under
50
ami
income
categories.
There
that's
the
red
rectangle.
H
A
F
I
mean
one
one
reaction
I
have
to
the
idea
of
a
you
know
of
a
voucher
goal.
You
know
is
that
I
really
think
we
should
at
least
try
and
entertain
the
idea
and
spend
a
little
money
on
expanding
the
availability
of
voucher
rental
units.
You
know,
throughout
the
county,
expanding
the
the
quantity
of
existing
kind
of
housing
stock
that
that
landlords
are
providing
for
these
types
of
of
individuals.
F
I
think
there's
at
least
one
one
program
like
that.
You
know
in
in
the
city
of
asheville
right
now,
because
it's
the
cheapest
and
the
quickest
way
to
get
people
into
housing,
and
so
whether
that
needs
to
be
in
the
form
of
a
goal,
I
don't
know,
but
I
definitely
think
it's
something
we
should.
We
should
be
trying.
A
Yeah,
I
I
I
agree.
I
mean
we're
kind
of
leaving
400
vouchers
on
the
table.
You
know-
and
we
know
that,
like
again,
we'll
talk
more
about
these
different
kinds
of
you
know,
developments
that
can
be
built
to
over
time
kind
of
make
up
a
lot
of
that
need,
but,
like
you
know
they
all,
they
all
cost.
You
know
they're
all
significant
in
terms
of
the
resources
to
bring
new
new
construction
units
online.
A
So
if
there
is
a
way
to
get
existing
landlords
to
participate,
then
that
seems
really
cost
effective,
even
though
I
certainly
hear
david's
point
around
like
these
big.
These
big
tax
credit
projects
are
great
because
you
can
just
once
they're
built.
You
can
count
on
them.
You
know
for
for
decades
to
come
in
terms
of
being
apartment,
management,
managers,
that'll
accept
vouchers.
So
I
think
in
the
long
run,
that
definitely
seems
like
the
main
strategy
is
like
we
need
to
build.
A
But
if
there's
anything,
we
can
do
along
the
way
to
get
encourage
more
landlords
to
participate
out
in
the
marketplace
that
that
seems
like
I
mean
it's,
maybe
maybe
something
of
a
niche
and
a
big
picture
of
things,
but
it
could
be
a
really
good
niche
to
to
build
out
in
a
pretty
cost
effective
way.
So
I'm
definitely
supportive
of
that,
and
it
does
seem
like
I
don't
know
I
don't.
A
Maybe
I
mean
my
hope
is
that
this
certainly
wouldn't
take
until
2030
to
solve
this,
but,
like
maybe
some
shorter
term
goal
around
trying
to
as
y'all
as
the
staff
outlined
in
red,
like
having
a
a
number
of
different
strategies
or
tactics
or
projects
to
so
that
we
can
100
utilize
our
community's
allocation
of
vouchers
each
year
to
try
to
try
to
achieve
that.
As
soon
as
we
can
seems
like
an
excellent
focus
to
me.
G
Yeah,
I
don't
I
don't
disagree.
Shannon
boyd
really
did
echo
a
lot
of
what
I've
heard.
Lately,
though,
is
that
it
does
seem
like
we
really
are
focusing
on
specifically
within
the
city
of
asheville
and
forgetting
about
our
families
who
live
in
the
county
and
do
have
transportation
and
not
necessarily
relying
on
public
transportation
to
get
where
they're
going.
So
I
would
be
curious
to
know
of
those
folks
who
are
on
the
voucher
waitlist,
you
know.
Are
they
specifically
waiting
to
live
within
the
city
limits?
G
Are
there
more
opportunities
to
expand
into
the
county
to
take
into
account?
I
just
want
to
make
sure
as
we're
looking
at
this,
that
we
are
we're
treating
all
folks
who
have
affordable
housing
needs
with
dignity
and
respect,
and
not
forcing
them
to
move
into
a
place
that
maybe
doesn't
suit
their
family
or
their
needs
or
pulling
their
children.
Out
of
you
know,
a
school
system
that
they've
grown
up
in
so
thinking
of
it
a
bit
more
holistically
in
terms
of
what
suits
everyone-
and
I
know
it's
not.
C
G
I
think
I
said
that
at
one
point,
when
we
were
discussing
ferry
road
that
it's
nice
to
be
able
to
look
at.
You
know
this
really
beautiful
property
for
folks
who
have
affordable
housing
needs
and
not,
and
allowing
them
to
have
access
to
parkway,
the
greenways,
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So
to
me
that
just
really
ties
into
that.
I
just
want
to
ensure
that
we're
looking
at
all
the
folks
and
their
needs.
A
You
know
that
have
come
online
recently
or
planned
that
are
not
all
in
the
city
limits,
but
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
how
well
distributed
they
are
throughout
the
county,
and
I
and
I
definitely
agree
with
amanda
that
as
we
as
we
think
about
the
future,
we
need
a
county-wide
strategy
for
this
right.
It
needs
to
be,
we
need,
we
need,
there's
a
there's,
a
need
for
this.
In
you
know
all
parts
of
the
county
for
for
sure.
A
Oh,
I
did
have
another
specific
question
I
was
making
notes
here.
Do
vouchers
only
do
you
have
to
be
50,
ami
or
below
to
apply
for
a
voucher?
I
saw
some
things
that
made
me
think
that
might
be
the
case,
but
I
wasn't
sure
like
what
are
the
like
income
qualification
criteria?
You
need
to
be
able
to
apply
for
a
voucher.
A
Me
this
and
this
okay,
here's
one
other
question:
I
wrote
down
in
my
notes,
and
this
may
be
kind
of
a
longer
term
thing
again.
It
doesn't
seem
like
we're
in
any
risk
of
like
getting
into
this
situation
really
soon,
but
just
sort
of
to
understand
how
the
programs
work
so
there's
waiting
lists
like
there's
a
huge
waiting
list
for
tenant
based
vouchers,
there's
also
a
waiting
list
for
asheville
housing
authority
vouchers
within
their
own.
A
You
know
developments
in
neighborhoods,
theoretically,
like
let's
say
we're
five
years
down
the
road
and
we've
built
a
lot
of
these.
You
know
apartment
additional
apartments
that
take
vouchers
and
so
we've
solved
for
this,
like
400
unit
issue
not
being
utilized,
those
are
being
utilized.
We've
worked
through
the
wait
list,
a
lot
and
a
lot
of
the
folks.
Here's
my
here's.
The
scenario
like
if
a
lot
of
folks
who.
A
If
who
were
on
the
wait
list
or
our
current
housing
authority,
residents
moved
to
use
the
tenant-based
vouchers
right
so
they're
now
living
in
some
different
neighborhoods
and
there's
not
a
big
wait
list
for
housing
authority
apartments,
the
with
the
new
residents
who
do
move
into
the
housing
authority
apartments.
Would
they
be
holders?
Like
my
guys,
my
question
is
like:
if
you
live
in
a
housing
authority
apartment,
are
you
by
definition
a
voucher
holder,
or
is
it
only
some
subset
of
those
residents
who,
like
put
themselves
on
a
voucher
list,
become
voucher
holders?
A
I
guess
I'm
still
a
little
unclear
about
like
the
overlap
between
residents
of
housing,
authority,
neighborhoods
and
voucher
and
being
a
voucher
holder
like
I'm
just
to
me,
I'm
still
a
little
bit.
I
don't
quite
understand
how
that
works.
If
those
are
almost
like
synonymous
terms
or
in
fact,
there's
some
distinctions
there
that
exist.
This
might.
I
may
not
even
be
very
clear
on
this
symbol.
A
I
guess
I
guess
really
kind
of
where
that
question
is
going
is
like
if,
in
the
long
run,
if
we're
experiencing
success
in
growing
the
supply
is
the
is
the
amount
of
vouchers
that
buncombe
county
will
be
eligible
for
and
approved,
for
is
that
is
that
likely
to
remain
a
pretty
static
number
into
the
future
or
if
our
supply
actually
grew,
and
we
weren't
kind
of
like
not
able
to
utilize
what
we're
already
allocated?
Would
it
grow
or
does
it
kind
of
just
grow?
Based
on
your?
You
know
your
population
growth
and
things
like
that.
H
That's
a
good
question
and,
as
I
put
in
the
slides
you
know,
david
did
say
that
number
that
the
authorized
number
has
not
increased
in
a
very
long
time,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
process
is
for
going
back
and
getting
authorization
for
a
higher
number
of
vouchers.
That
would
be
something
he
would
have
to
answer.
A
H
H
At
this
point-
and
I
will
say
so-
that's
definitely
something
that
we
can
encourage.
We
do
have
obviously
an
open
application
right
now,
so
we
will
encourage
applicants
to
to
apply
for
some
sort
of
landlord
incentive
program,
and
I
did
look
into
other
counties
who
are
doing
this.
Orange
county
does
have
a
incentive
program,
it's
about
a
thousand
dollars
per
landlord
and
then
wake
county
also
has
one
it's
750
dollar.
H
A
If
we
wanted
to
support
some
work
in
that
area,
would
it
have
to
come
from
like
the
new
start
program,
or
is
there
any
other
kind
of
category
that
we
could
theoretically
put
some
resources?
Behind
this
I
mean
it's
not
exactly
the
same
thing
as
tenant
based
rental
assistance,
although
in
a
way
it
kind
of
has
some
similarities
in
terms
of
the
practical
implications
of
it.
H
H
A
Okay,
all
right,
I
I
would
say
you
know
just
kind
of
going
back
to
the
question
about
a
goal.
Like
you
know,
I
mean
again,
you
know
we're
gonna.
I
do
you
know
we're
gonna
talk
about
goals
in
just
a
second,
and
I
do
you
know,
I'm
kind
of
eager
to
you
know
kind
of
elevate.
Some
of
those
conversations
to
the
commission
level.
A
I
think
there
will
be
more
goals
that
we
set
over
time,
maybe
some
around
homelessness.
Perhaps
as
we
further
kind
of
review
that
topic
I
mean
I
would
say
I
would.
I
mean
I'd-
be
open
to
us
creating
some
kind
of
goal.
If
the
staff
wanted
to
kind
of
think
about
this
around,
like
a
shorter
term
time
frame
around
steps,
we
can
take
to
kind
of
fully
deploy
our
communities
allocation
of
vouchers.
A
F
A
A
All
right,
okay!
Well,
if
we're,
if
we're,
if
we're
done
with
a
voucher,
the
next
item
is
to
go
back,
and
this
is
part
of
our
kind
of
ongoing
conversation
around
goals
and
policies,
and
I
did
want
to
have
a
presentation
I'd
like
to
kind
of
walk
through
around
that
before
we
get
into
that
part
of
this
part
of
the
question
too,
I
think
is,
is
the
question
around
the
timing
and
the
sequence
we
want
to
have
from
our
committee
level
and
the
commission
right.
A
This
is
like
a
big
priority
for
the
county
commission
as
a
whole,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we.
You
know
we
have
a
good
process
on
this.
Normally
with
issues
like
this,
we
typically
have
a
briefing
meeting
where
we
talk
about
it.
Let
the
commission
kind
of
ask
questions,
have
discussion
and
then
at
a
subsequent
meeting
we,
you
know
we
might
take
it
up
for
more
formal
consideration
and
a
possible
vote
on
policies.
A
So
we
were
actually
going
to
have
a
initial
briefing
discussion
at
our
commission
meeting
the
briefing
meeting
this
afternoon,
but
those
have
been
canceled
due
to
weather
concerns
and
a
lot
of
coveted
concerns
as
well.
So
we're
not
having
a
meeting
today
we
could
and
we
can
kind
of
come
back
to
this
question
after
we
go
through
the
conversation
over
this
presentation
about
you
know.
When
do
we
want
to
bring
this
forward?
A
Do
we
want
to
look
towards
having
an
initial
briefing
meeting
at
our
next
commission
meeting,
which
would
be
on
february
1st
and
then,
with
an
eye
towards
we
could
have
you
know
we
could
put
it
on
the
subsequent
meeting
after
that
for
commission
consideration
and
potential
votes
anyway?
But
let's,
let's
come
back
to
what
we
think
is
the
right
timing,
around
kind
of
advancing
some
of
this
as
we
go
through
the
presentation,
see
what
areas
we
feel
like
we're
all
pretty.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
so
much
all
right.
Let's
just
go
to
the
the
first
slide
or
the
next
slide
brother.
All
right!
I'm
sorry!
Could
you
back
one
yet
thanks.
So,
as
we've
talked
about
our
committee's
been
reviewing
these
goals
and
these
are
actually,
these
are
actually
goals.
We
have
already
endorsed
so
the
goal
around
2
800
will
impact
2800,
affordable
housing
units
by
2030.
A
If
anybody
has
any
questions
and
stuff
feel
free
to
just
you
know,
you
know
raise
them
as
we
go
through
this,
so
I
worked
on
this
presentation.
Part
of
it
was
you
know,
I
sometimes
find
doing
this
kind
of
useful
to
kind
of
organize
my
own
thoughts
around
this
too.
But
you
know:
we've
had
we
as
we've
thought
about
the
goals
we've
also
started
to.
A
You
know,
think
more
about
like
how
you
know
what
are
possible
different
scenarios
for
how
we
can
increase
our
investment
to
achieve
these
goals
and-
and
one
of
the
ideas
that
we
started
talking
about-
is
a
housing
bond
referendum
which
could
be
you
know
a
very
powerful
resource
to
apply
to
this.
But
there
are
some
other.
You
know
strategies
we
have
as
well
that
we
could
deploy
in
the
interim
between
now
and
when
a
bond
might
come
into
to
take
place
or
even
if
a
bond
takes
place
which
would
require
voter
approval.
A
A
Please
just
you
know,
we've
talked
about
this
a
lot.
The
scope
of
the
need
is
very
large.
The
percentage
of
households
that
are
cost
burdened
in
the
counties
is
very
significant.
The
bone
report
indicated
there's
over
seven
thousand
households
that
are
severely
cost
burdened
in
our
community,
a
big
need
for
special
efficiency
and
one
bedroom
units,
but
also
two
and
three
bedroom
units
for
families
with
for
larger
families
and
and
matt.
A
You,
sir,
I
had
a
follow-up
email
question
for
matt
about
some
of
these,
the
scope
of
need
before
our
meeting
and
matt.
Could
you
remind
us,
the
that
email
that
you
circulated
this
week,
the
number
of
affordable
rental
units
that
the
bowen
report
identified
as
being
needed?
Could
you
remind
us
of
that
of
that
kind
of
key
figure
again.
B
Yes,
so
the
and
I
apologize
because
I
can't
fill
up
my
screen,
where
I
have
the
exact
number,
while
I'm
sharing
this
screen
due
to
the
nature
of
this
particular
meeting,
but
it's
just
over
3
100
units
for
the
less
than
80
ami
group
and
then
there's
another
900
and
a
little
over
900
units
for
that
traditionally
referred
to
as
workforce
housing
group.
So
it's
around
4
100,
total
rental
gap
need
across
zero
to
120
ai.
B
A
B
A
Right,
okay!
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that,
and
you
know,
I'm
part
of
what
kind
of
makes
me
think
is
like,
while
these
goals
that
we're
setting
are,
I
think
you
know
really
good
goals
and
ambitious.
They
won't
meet
the
full
need,
although
they
do
meet
a
significant
percentage
of
it
right
like.
If
we
can
meet
these
goals,
it
would
make
a
huge
you
know
huge
difference
in
terms
of
this.
This
part
of
the
affordable
housing
need
in
the
community.
So
it's
it's
exciting
from
that
standpoint.
So
next
slide.
A
A
A
So
but
we
have
this,
you
know
this
goal
to
expand
that
to
1500
new
at
least
1500
new,
affordable
apartments,
400
new
home
ownership
and
400
workforce
units.
So
2300
is
the
goal.
So
one
question
is
like:
is
it
possible
to
potentially
achieve
this
new
goal
if
there
weren't
a
bond
referendum?
So
that's
part
of
what
I
wanted
to
sort
of
explore
further
in
this
presentation,
so
next
slide.
A
So
this
chart,
you
know,
provides
kind
of
a
high
level
thought
about.
You
know
how
many
units
could
potentially
be
supported
on
these
different
properties
and
there's
a
lot
of
different
assumptions
that
go
into
that.
I
would
argue
that
these
are
conservative
assumptions
and
a
couple
of
slides
after
this
will
kind
of
explore.
A
If,
if
you
assign
a
value
of
fifteen
hundred
dollars
per
unit
that
we're
contributing
in
this
land
assets
that
we
already
own,
then
that
would
be
a
real
estate
contribution
towards
this
overall
effort
of
about
15
million
dollars.
So
you
know
a
significant
and
meaningful
contribution
in
terms
of
basically
land,
that's
already
paid
for
by
the
taxpayers
that
could
be
used
as
sites
for
this.
So
let's
go
to
the
next
slide,
and
this
will
kind
of
walk
through
in
the
following
slides,
like
a
little
bit
more
exploration
of
that.
A
But
before
we
go
there,
this
this
slide
kind
of
outlines.
You
know
some
of
the
different
most
significant
options
we
may
have
in
in
the
in
lieu
of
doing
a
bond
to
increase
funding
for
affordable
housing
prior
to
passage
of
a
bond
referendum.
So
this
just
paints
kind
of
one
scenario,
and
there
should
be
many
versions
of
variations
of
this.
But
it's
one
I
just
kind
of
want
to
lay
out
as
kind
of
a
for
for
conversation
as
a
potential
scenario.
A
So
if
the
county
increased
our
current
funding
from
2.5
million
a
year
to
3.8
million
a
year
from
our
general
fund
and
we
index
that
for
inflation
by
2.5
percent,
we
you
know
in
our
early
childhood
education
fund.
We
also
have
an
index
for
inflation,
so
it
grows
over
time
and
doesn't
deteriorate.
As
you
know,
as
inflation
reduces
the
value
of
money
over
time,
that
step
would
produce
about
12
million
dollars
of
additional
revenue
between
now
and
2030..
A
We've
currently
invested
about
7.5
million
of
our
arpa
funding
towards
affordable
housing
and
homelessness
related
projects.
If
we
invest
an
additional
7.5
million
from
our
remaining
unallocated
funds
in
the
next
round,
that
would
be
a
total
investment
of
15
million
dollars.
So
the
combination
of
those
three
opportunities
in
this
particular
scenario
would
increase
funding
by
42
million
dollars,
above
and
beyond
what
we're
already
doing
for
a
total
investment
of
62
million
dollars
between
now
and
20
30..
A
So
just
kind
of
thinking
more
about
some
of
these
city,
these
county-owned
properties,
several
of
them,
are
in
the
downtown
area
as
well
as
ferry
road,
which
is
more
rural
and
suburban.
This
slide
is
a
is
a
is
an
image
of
the
vanderbilt
apartments,
which
is
kind
of
historic,
affordable
housing
development
in
our
downtown
property.
I
just
kind
of
want
to
have
this
slide
to
kind
of
illustrate.
You
know.
The
idea
of
building
housing
in
downtown
is
not
new.
It's
been
happening
a
long
time.
A
This
is
one
example
of
a
project
in
our
community
123
apartments
on
just
a
half
an
acre
of
land,
so
at
a
density
of
246
units
per
acre,
and
these
are
all
efficiency
and
one
bedroom
apartments
for
seniors.
So
just
kind
of
as
an
illustration
of
like
you
know,
this
is
a
relatively
small
piece
of
property
in
our
downtown
and
how
many
units
it
supports
next
slide.
A
Thank
you,
a
more
recent.
You
know
more.
A
more
recent
example
of
infill
development
downtown
would
be
the
eagle
marketplace
apartments
which
was
built
just
a
few
years
ago.
So
these
are
62
units
plus
some
commercial
space.
On
the
first
floor,
so
a
total
of
62
apartments
located
on
about
a
half
an
acre
of
land
as
well
so
density
of
about
116
units
per
acre
and
reflects
kind
of
more
contemporary
infill
development
in
the
downtown
setting
next
slide.
A
Another
fairly
recent
development
just
outside
downtown
the
river
arts
district
would
be
the
clinton
rock
apartments,
affordable
apartments
of
85
apartments
on
1.4
acres,
so
less
dense
development,
but
still
about
60
units
per
acre
outside
of
downtown
in
the
city
next
slide.
Y'all,
probably
many
people
saw
this
in
the
newspaper.
This
is
a
this
is
a
private
sector
development
in
downtown
80
micro
units
on
less
than
two
tenths
of
an
acre,
so
interesting
project
like
a
density
of
444
units
per
acre
in
this
private
sector
initiated
development.
This
is
just
off
cox.
A
So
the
three
properties
in
the
downtown
area
that
the
county's
identified
again
cox,
avenue,
valley,
street
and
woodfin-
this
slide
just
shows
the
locations
of
where
these
different
parcels
are.
Some
of
them
are
actually
multiple
parcels
located
next
to
each
other
next
slide,
so
the
cox
avenue
property
specifically
is
1.7
acres,
it's
actually
four
different,
but
adjoining
parcels
on
or
near
cox.
Avenue-
and
this
slide
just
reflects,
like
you
know,
if
you
build
infield
development
just
for
sort
of
illustrative
purposes.
A
If
you
build
infield
development
on
this
property
similar
to
the
vanderbilt
apartments,
you
could
actually
build
over
700
apartments
on
this
property
and
I'm
not
saying
that
that's
the
right
development
solution
for
this
particular
property,
but
just
to
kind
of
make
the
point
that
there
is
a
lot
of
potential
infill
development
property
depending
on
you
know
the
design
and
development
strategies
on
the
property.
In
the
slide
I
showed
earlier,
you
know
the
the
working
assumption
I
had
for
that.
That
slide
is
that
there
would
only
be
200,
affordable
apartments
built
on
these
properties.
A
But
you
know
the
theoretical
development
potential
is
is
actually
quite
a
bit
quite
a
bit
more
than
that
next
slide,
and
this
is
just
another.
This
is
from
the
county
gis
zeroing
in
on
one
of
the
parcels
on
cox,
avenue,
50
cox,
avenue
right
across
from
the
county
bus
station.
So
next
slide,
and
just
also
just
go
back
one
just
also
to
reflect.
A
You
know
the
the
presentation
kind
of
has
this
assumption
around
15
000
value
per
unit,
but
this
particular
parcel
has
a
value,
an
appraised
value,
but
according
to
the
county
of
2.4
million
dollars.
So
also,
if
you
just
look
at
the
appraised
values
of
these
properties,
they
are
also
very
similar
to
the
15
million
dollar
level.
So
a
couple
different
ways
of
thinking
about
the
property
value
we
could
be
contributing
and
they
both
arrive
around-
that
you
know
13
to
15
million
range
of
what
we'd
be
contributing
in
real
estate.
A
Next
slide,
and
then
this
is
the
valley
street
property,
where
the
county's
planning
department
is
currently
located,
but
the
plans
are
to
relocate
the
planning
department,
some
of
the
other
operations
there-
and
I
guess
the
point
I
wanted
to
show
with
this
slide-
is
that
a
lot
of
this?
This
is
a
pretty
big
parcel
for
the
downtown
area,
and
a
lot
of
it
is
a
lot
of
it
is,
is
surface
parking
as
well
next
slide.
A
The
other
property
the
county
has
agreed
to
review
is
the
sorry
the
this
is
the
I'm
forgetting
the
address
off
the
top
of
my
head,
and
I
don't
have
it
on
the
slide,
but
this
is
the
pro
the
parking
lot
in
front
of
the
family
justice
center
facilities
and
for
the
purposes
of
this
conversation,
I
assume
that
not
all
these
sites
are
successfully
developed.
So,
for
the
purposes
of
you
know,
for
the
sake
of
conversation,
I
assume
this
property
is
not
developed
between
now
and
2030.
A
So
you
know
the
potential
for
significant
multi-family,
as
well
as
single-family
or
small
multi-family
development,
as
we've
discussed
that
several
of
our
recent
commission
planning
sessions
around
this.
This
property
has
an
appraised
value
of
7.1
million
dollars
according
to
the
county,
so
potentially
significant
site
for
our
affordable
and
workforce
goals,
including
home
ownership
and
rental
next
slide,
and
this
is
the
same
slide
that
we
just
looked
at
before,
just
to
kind
of
come
back
to
it
and
think
about
it.
A
You
know,
after
looking
at
each
of
the
properties
and
their
development
potential,
you
know
developing
a
thousand
units
on
these
different
properties
might
sound,
really
ambitious,
but
I
think,
as
we
look
at
what's
really
possible
on
each
of
them,
you
know,
I
think,
that's
actually
probably
a
very
conservative
goal.
Ultimately,
if
these
properties
are
are
redeveloped,
what
the
mixes
of
affordability,
workforce-
or
you
know
just
market
rate-
I
mean,
of
course
those
are
all
questions
that
would
need
to
be
discussed
and
decided
further
as
we
go
through
the
development
process.
A
So
this
is
going
to
kind
of
just
run
through
a
couple
of
different
scenarios,
as
with
any
of
these
kind
of
models,
there's
a
lot
of
assumptions
in
here
so
I'll
try
to
share
what
some
of
the
key
assumptions
are
in
here
you
know,
some
of
which
could
be.
You
know.
I
again,
I
think,
could
be
considered
conservative,
but
you
know
there
could
be
different
assumptions
used
as
well.
A
Of
course,
you
know
as
we
go
through
this,
so
this
first
slide
is
looking
at
what
it
might
take
for
the
county
to
meet
our
goals
for
affordable
home
ownership,
400
units,
the
400
workforce
units
and
the
home
repair
goals.
So
basically,
these
are
all
the
goals
we
have,
except
for
the
affordable
rental
apartments
which
we'll
explore
in
more
detail
in
other
slides.
So
it's
kind
of
looking
at
everything
else
and
a
lot
of
the
numbers
that
are
in
here
are
based
on
numbers
that
we've
discussed
at
our
previous,
affordable
housing
committee
meetings.
A
You
know,
staff
have
shared
around
realistically.
What
does
it
cost
to
build
some
of
these
different
different
types
of
units?
So
in
the
first
category
on
the
home
ownership
units,
I
think,
when
our
one
of
our
first
meetings,
the
staff
presentation,
indicated
that
an
investment
of
forty
thousand
dollars
per
unit.
You
know
it's
probably
realistic
in
terms
of
what
it
takes
to
to
make
a
unit
affordable
to
someone
below
80
ami
on
average.
A
So
it
starts
off
at
40
000
a
year,
but
then
goes
up
a
little
bit
every
year
with
three
percent
increase
in
costs,
so
the
total
would
be
a
little
over
17
million
dollars
to
reach
the
total
goal
between
now
and
2030.,
the
workforce
units
the
same
number
50
per
year
to
meet
our
our
400
goal,
although
actually
matt.
This
is
this
is
the
place
where
I
had
it's.
Actually
the
number
is
actually
500,
not
400.
Is
that
correct.
A
At
500.,
the
home
repair,
I'm
sorry,
thank
you.
Okay,
the
the
workforce
goal
is
400
as
well,
so
50
per
year
gets
us
there.
I
think
this
is
one
area
where
we
haven't
in
our
committee
discussed
a
specific
number
for
what
we
think
it
will
cost
to
bring
these
workforce
units
online.
So
so
this
is
a
number
that
that
probably
you
know
we
need
to
spend
some
more
time.
Thinking
about.
But
since
this
is
you
know,
this
is
for
residents
with
an
ami
of
80
all
the
way
up
to
120.
A
You
know
it
will
be
a
much
lower
number
than
than
what's
needed
to
to
support
homeownership
for
families
that
are
80
ami
and
below.
So
the
working
assumption
just
for
the
spreadsheet,
was
that
it's
17
500
per
unit
initially
goes
up
over
time.
If
that's
a
valid
assumption,
then
you
know
it
would
be
875
000
a
year
to
start
with
growing
over
time,
so
7.7
million
over
over
the
eight
year
period,
and
then
the
last
category
is
the
home
repair
program.
A
Where
you
know
it's
a
range
of
support
that
we
provide
from
a
few
thousand
dollars
up
to
over
ten
thousand
dollars,
but
it's
an
average.
It
averages
out
of
at
a
lower
number.
So
if
we
did
50
units
a
year
to
get
to
the
goal
and
spent
on
average
4
500
per
unit,
this
reflects
those
costs
over
time
as
well.
A
So
the
bottom
line
on
this
is
that
the
total
investment
under
this
set
of
assumptions
to
achieve
all
the
goals
but
for
affordable
rental
is
27.5
million
dollars.
Of
course,
we
work
with
many
partners
on
these
goals.
The
city
dogwood,
there's
cdbg,
funding
home
funding,
there's
other
potential
sources
of
funding.
A
A
So
there's
several
slides
that
kind
of
look
at
how
we
might
approach
this
in
the
financial
investment
needed
to
achieve
it
and,
as
we've
talked
about
at
some
of
the
recent
meetings,
a
lot
of
what
could
be
drivers
on
this
is
the
percentage
of
projects
that
are
either
funded
with
tax
credits
or
are
not
funded
with
tax
credits.
So
these
different
scenarios
kind
of
explore
those
different
approaches.
A
So
because
the
county
is
not
the
only
partner
in
those
projects,
I
don't
count
all
80
of
those
average
sized
projects
as
just
being
ours,
because
the
city
supports
them.
You
know
the
county
doesn't
always
support
every
one
of
those
projects
financially.
So
so
the
working
assumption
here
is
like
what,
if
we
counted,
you
know,
50
of
those
apartments
as
county
supported
projects
as
the
average
over
this
eight
year
period,
so
50
units
per
year
through
the
nine
percent
program
based
on
you,
know,
projects
that
have
been
funded
recently.
A
A
If
you
assume,
you
need
35
000
on
average,
as
the
local
support
for
those
projects,
then
the
column
on
the
far
right
is
the
total
amount
of
money
annually.
That
would
need
to
be
invested
to
build
that
many
units
through
the
four
percent
program.
This
is
also
you
know,
kind
of
largely
based
on
some
of
the
the
numbers
that
that
we've
discussed
at
previous
during
previous
presentations
about
this,
but
which
are
also
very
similar
to
the
project
that
the
county
just
several
of
the
projects,
the
county
recently
funded.
A
That
used
a
four
percent
program.
So
this
is
actually.
This
is
actually
more
funding
than
the
county
put
into
the
like
the
recent
project
off
of
hendersonville
road.
So
it's
a
little
bit
more
per
unit
than
that
one,
but
but
you
know
similar,
so
with
this
scenario,
if
it
was
100
tax
credit
funded,
the
total
investment
needed
to
get
to
the
1500
units
would
be
48
million
dollars.
A
If
the
county's
role
in
that
was
providing
half
the
funding,
it'd
be
about
24
million
dollars
that
plus
the
13
million
to
meet
the
other
goals
means
the
total
budget
might
need
to
be
38
million
to
meet
all
of
all
of
those
goals
under
that
set
of
assumptions.
So
if
we
did
have,
if
we
did
have
the
funding
sources
discussed
previously
like
this
would
be
a
potential
scenario
that
could
be
workable
with
that
set
of
three
funding
funding
strategies
discussed
earlier
next
slide.
A
A
I
don't
think
anybody
thinks
this
is
the
scenario
we're
going
to
do,
but
just
to
kind
of
illustrate
that
you
know
one
on
one
spectrum
if
it
was
all
funded
through
tax
credits,
the
other,
if
none
of
it
were
okay,
next
slide,
okay,
so
this
slide
and
the
next
might
be
kind
of
more
in
the
range
of
what
we're
kind
of
more
focused
on.
So
this
slide
reflects
the
80
20
split.
We
talked
about
that
as
a
potential
ratio
at
the
last
meeting,
and
so
this
spreadsheet
is
meant
to
kind
of
you
know.
A
A
The
number
of
additional
tax
credit
units
you
would
need
under
this
scenario,
would
be
100
per
year.
The
cost
to
build
those
are
the
same
as
the
previous
slides.
35
000
per
year
is
the
local
support
needed,
and
then
there
will
be
38
additional
non-tax
credit
units
built
each
year
and
the
cost
to
build
those
again
based
on.
You
know,
real
projects
that
we
have
looked
at
recently.
A
A
So
so,
let's
look
at
the
next
slide
as
well,
please!
So
the
scenario
four,
the
last
scenario
to
look
at
here
is
basically
looks
at
what
if
we
spent
the
same
amount
of
money
as
the
previous
slide
as
a
community
56
million
dollars,
but
we
did
a
90
10
split
instead
of
80
20..
So
that's
the
difference
in
this
slide
is
it's
90
and
10,
rather
than
80
20.
So
under
the
90
10
split,
but
spending
the
same
56
million
dollars,
we
could
actually
build
1
280
of
the
4
units.
A
We
would
still
build
191
of
the
non-tax
credit
units
so
for
the
same
funding
levels
as
identified
in
the
previous
slide.
We
could
actually
build
1871
total,
affordable
units
for
this.
Basically,
the
the
same
amount
of
funding.
So
I
don't
know-
maybe
maybe
another
scenario
to
to
think
about
regardless
of
kind
of
exactly
what
the
level
of
funding
is
it
is
it
is,
it
would
produce
more.
You
know
meaningfully
more
units,
basically
a
hundred
and
sixty
of
the
four
percent
units
per
year,
instead
of
instead
of
a
hundred
per
year.
A
Okay,
next
slide,
please
we're
almost
through.
I
think
it's
just
two
slides
jeff.
This
is
a
slide.
We
looked
at
earlier
as
a
subcommittee
as
we
started
doing
our
goal,
setting
it's
just
a
reminder.
What
other
communities
are
doing
around
the
state
with
the
tax
credit
programs
shows
what
wake
county
has
done
since
2018
and
durham
county.
A
What
they've
done
since
2019,
with
the
four
percent
program,
obviously
really
robust,
like
wake
county,
has
produced
over
three
thousand
long-term,
affordable
apartment
units
in
just
those
three
years,
so
really
really
successful,
durham
over
a
thousand
in
just
a
few
years
new
hanover,
you
know
orange
like
of
course
buncombe
county.
You
know
we,
we
have
gotten
some
done
and
we've
started
approving
some
others,
but
I
don't
know
I
just
kind
of
as
I
was
going
back
through
our
old
presentations.
I
just
was.
A
Okay,
next
slide,
and
so
so
this
this
kind
of
comes
back
to
like
the
policy
issues
for
us
to
consider
as
a
subcommittee
and
then
which
we
could
you
know
bring
forward
to
the
commission.
So
one
is
like
thinking
about
the
goal
again.
You
know
we
have
the
goal
of
1500,
affordable
apartments,
the
workforce,
homeownership
and
home
repair,
and
taking
that
recommendation
forward
for
commission
we've
already
discussed
that
quite
a
bit.
A
The
second
are
the
different
funding
strategies
we
could
consider
as
a
county
government
in
lieu
of
a
bond.
So
again,
that's
a
potential
increase
to
our
annual
funding.
That's
investment
of
a
certain
percentage
of
our
arpa
funds
into
the
housing
space.
We've
already
done
a
lot
you
know,
could
we
make
you
know
kind
of
a
decision
about
how
much
we
might
want
to
allocate
in
the
next
round
of
funding
from
arpa
towards
meeting
these
goals?
A
I
think
we're
going
to
start
discussing
that
process
real
soon
for
additional
arpa
allocation,
so
we
could
think
about
whether
we
want
a
recommended
amount
to
go
into
that,
and
then
third
is
the
real
estate
and
we've
already,
you
know,
I
think
the
commission's
already
and
the
county
management's
already
bought
into
the
idea
of
reviewing
these
county
properties
for
redevelopment.
So
that's
already
in
the
works
you
know
have
been
thinking
about
like
the
the
contribution
that
could
that
can
make
third
the
bond
referendum.
A
The
passage
of
a
bond
would
assure
that
we
have
the
financial
resources
to
meet
these
goals,
to
exceed
these
goals,
with
as
much
flexibility
as
possible
in
terms
of
how
to
get
that
done.
So
I
guess
just
as
we
await
further
feedback
from
the
folks
working
on
it.
You
know
we
want
to
hear
what
they're
saying
I
just
I'm
more
and
more
enthusiastic
about
it.
The
more
I've
thought
about
it,
whether
it's
in
2022
or,
if
we're
not
ready
this
year.
You
know
planning
for
this
in
2024.
A
A
You
know,
I
think
we
do
need
to
think
about
and
what
strategy
we
want
to
focus
on
on
to
achieve
that
in
a
way,
that's
financially
realistic
and
physically
responsible
and
just
from
kind
of
working
through
those
exercises
and
preparing
this
presentation
I've.
I
guess
I've
been
more
persuaded
that,
like
a
scenario
like
scenario,
four
is:
has
many
advantages
in
terms
of
producing
more
affordable
housing
and
doing
it
in
a
more
physically
responsible
way
for
taxpayers.
A
So
I
wanted,
to
you
know,
request
consideration
of
adopting
a
scenario
like
like
that,
although
again
the
specific,
I
guess,
the
specific
recommendation
I
would
I
would
put
forward
for
consideration
would
be
to
to
adopt
a
a
range
of
1500
up
to
the
1887
as
like.
That's
the
range
we're
shooting
for
1500
is
a
goal
with
a
stretch
goal
of
1887
and
a
plan
to
utilize
a
scenario.
Like
scenario
4
as
the
kind
of
physical
strategy
to
to
do
that,
to
get
us
to
that
goal,
I
think
that's
the
last
slide.
A
F
G
G
To
approve
the
financial
piece
of
this,
is
it
now
moving
forward
into
the
next
couple
of
weeks,
or
is
it
taking
some
time
to
consider
this?
Have
staff
do
some
financial
analysis
waiting
on
the
public
land
trust
information
to
come
back?
I
think
there
were
some
other
key
pieces
out
there
and
then
tying
it
into
the
budgeting
process.
G
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
you
know
I
mean
I
definitely
envision.
You
know
our
committee
talking
about
this
again
before
we
go
to
the
county
commission
right
so
not
figuring
this
all
out
today
for
sure
you
know
so
so
so
we
wanted,
to
kind
of
you
know,
have
a
chance
to
kind
of
introduce
some
of
these.
You
know
I
mean
this
is
all
kind
of
within
the
the
scenarios
of
what
we've
been
talking
about,
but
obviously
it
goes
into
a
greater
level
of
detail
and
specificity
right.
So
so
I
was
envisioning
like
you
know.
A
Our
committee
talk
about
it
today
and
plan
on
talking
about
it
again.
The
we
could.
You
know
we
could
plan
on
putting
this
on
the
briefing
discussion
you
know
so
again.
You
know
no
just
no
decisions
to
be
made
at
the
commission
level,
but
just
to
kind
of
you
know
kind
of
introduce
a
bit
this
to
conversation
to
the
commission
level.
A
So
we
could
do
that
at
our
next
meeting
and
then
you
know
and
then
some
future
meeting
it
could
be
the
following
one
or
if
we
wanted
to
take
a
couple
of
meet.
You
know
a
couple
of
weeks
after
that,
for
for
it
to
go
back
to
the
commission,
I
mean
ultimately,
I
see
all
of
this
for
any
of
the
financial
decisions
we're
making.
A
They
would
all
go
into
ultimately
into
the
budget,
but
we
would
want
to
make
the
recommendations
to
go
into
that
budget.
You
know
we
don't
want
to.
We
don't
want
to
wait
too
long
to
do
that,
so
that
you
know
we
make
sure
you
know
the
staff
and
the
budget
staff.
Everyone
have,
like
you
know,
start
factoring
this
in
at
an
early
enough
period
that
it
can,
you
know,
be
digested
within
the
budget
process.
So
I
guess
I'm
thinking
amanda
over.
You
know
over
the
next.
H
I
can
answer
the
first
question
about
the
tpnl
study
so
that
we're
we
should
have
something
kind
of
their
first
phase
back
by
the
end
of
january
and
we'll
be
sharing
that
with
you
all
and
then
the
final
phase
is
anticipated
end
of
march
april
time
frame.
So
that's
when
we
would
kind
of
know
for
sure
whether
we
would
move
forward
or
not
with
the
bond.
A
A
You
know,
of
course,
their
original
motivation,
for
this
conversation
is
a
lot
around
their
organization's
mission
of
you
know:
land
resources
and
recreation,
and
things
like
that
at
this
point
in
the
process
is
there
anything
the
staff
can
share
with
us
about?
You
know
to
what
degree
like
their
planning
and
diligence
process
is
able
to.
You
know
realistically
kind
of
encompass
some
of
the
feasibility
around
issues
like
affordable
housing,
which
I
mean
they
get.
Why
it's
an
important
issue
to
us
and
want
to
be
cooperative,
but
it
is
not
their
core
mission.
H
H
You
know
all
the
parameters
around
what
financing
options
are
available
and
what
legal
you
know,
limitations
we
have
and
then
the
second
piece,
the
phase
two
is
really
kind
of
the
survey
out
in
the
community,
and
so
that's
just
a
matter
of
asking.
You
know
the
right
question
out
in
the
community,
so
I
don't
to
me,
I
don't
really
see
you
know
any
limitations
based
on
their
expertise.
H
H
G
Okay,
thanks
matt.
I
just
remember
from
our
briefing
a
couple:
oh
gosh,
it's
been
a
couple
of
months
now
when
we
looked
at
what
other
counties
were
doing
and
looking
at
those
numbers
from
like
wake
county
today,
I
think
they
had
well
over
70
80
85
ftes
to
accomplish
those
goals
and
I
think
we're
sitting
at
one
1.5.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
looking
at
how
to
factor
that
into
our
goals
as
well.
A
Are
there
other
thoughts
from
parker
amanda
around
just
the
timing
for
kind
of
taking
this
conversation
or
a
gold
strategies,
potential
financial
resources
that
we
could
deploy
again?
Like
you
know,
these
are
these
are
things
that
are
kind
of
within
our
control
today,
bond
you
know
bond
is
something
that
requires
voters
to
be
involved
into
right.
So
I
saw
a
comment
from
jennifer
saying
like
mid-march
would
be.
It
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
have
if
we're
going,
to
have
recommendations
in
the
chat
she
indicated
like
mid-march
would
be
helpful
for
us
to.
A
You
know,
present
those
ideas
to
the
commission
and
have
enough
time
for
the
commission
to
deliberate
on
them
to
kind
of
arrive
that
yeah.
We
feel
good
about
these
numbers,
or
you
know
this
seems
challenging
in
light
of
the
other
things,
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
be
discussing
too,
to
kind
of
have
that
conversation,
so
I
guess
I'm
kind
of
I'm
kind
of
inclined
to
think.
A
Maybe
we
should
just
go
ahead
and
have
the
briefing
discussion
like
at
our
next
meeting,
like
there's
no
votes
required,
but
it's
an
opportunity,
just
kind
of
introduce
these
kinds
of
ideas
to
the
commission
to
think
about
as
potential
scenarios,
but
I
also
want
you
know
our
committee
to
have
you
know.
I
want
us
to
have
had
a
chance
to
also
talk
these
through
and
make
sure.
A
Like
we've
answered
the
questions
we
want
to
have
thought
through
at
our
committee
level
as
well,
when
we
go
when
we
go
there,
so
we
could
you
know
in
that
scenario
we
could
have
it
on
the
briefing
agenda,
but
we
could
also
plan
for
this
to
be
on
our
agenda
at
our
meeting
two
weeks
from
now.
So
we
could
have
some
more
time
carved
out
to
kind
of
go
over
this.
I
realized
I
threw
out
like
a
lot
of
data
and
you
know
stuff,
so
we
could
all
have
time
to
think
about
it.
A
If
there's
follow-up
questions
that
folks
have
for
staff
and
staff
would
have
a
chance
to
also
think
more
about
this
and
provide
feedback,
so
we
could
do.
We
could
kind
of
move
this
ahead
two
weeks
from
now.
If
we
don't
do
it
at
the
next
meeting,
I
think
we
should
definitely
be
on
the
briefing
agenda
for
the
following
meeting,
but
do
you
all
have
any
kind
of
thoughts
on
the
timing.
F
F
F
F
F
Maybe
it's
in
a
cup,
especially
if
it's
in
a
couple
years,
you
know
we'll
have
we'll
be
spending
some
more
money
kind
of
annually
on
achieving
these
goals
and
certainly
in
a
bond
scenario,
it
seems
like
we
could
accelerate
the
timeline,
perhaps
or
just
kind
of
make
all
this
easier,
with
different
options
and
and
potentially
exceed
the
goal
so
yeah.
That's
that's
my
that's
kind
of
my
thought
on
on
budget
planning
to
kind
of
cast
a
wide
net
at
achieving
this
would
be
my
would
be
my
hope.
A
Okay,
yeah-
and
I
would
just
say
you
know
I
definitely
wouldn't
go
into
this
level
of
detail
at
a
full
commission
meeting
right,
like
yeah
part
of
the
point
of
our
committee,
is
to
kind
of
dig
into
the
weeds
a
bit
right.
So
I
would
definitely
if
we
do
a
presentation,
I
would
envision
trimming
this
down
a
bit.
You
know
kind
of
hitting
more
of
the
highlights.
A
D
A
I
mean
you
know
in
some
ways
of
doing
these
things,
you
kind
of
set
these
goals
right
and
then
you're
kind
of,
like
we're.
Just
gonna
have
to
figure
out
how
to
do
this
along
the
way,
but
to
the
extent
that
you
can
figure
out
some
key
strategies
up
front,
you
know
you're,
potentially
way
better
off
at
being
successful
and
setting
setting
ambitious
but
doable
goals.
So
I
thought
you
know
in
in
light
of
the
fact
that
there
are
some
things
we
could
decide
to
do.
A
In
addition
to
being
supportive
of
a
bond,
you
know
kind
of
made
me
think
a
bit
more
about
what
some
of
those
potential
decisions
could
be
that
we
need
to.
You
know
that
we
could
bring
to
our
colleagues
to
think
about
in
terms
of
annual
appropriations
and
the
in
the
arpa
funding
which
we're
going
to
be
having
you
know,
discussions
around
how
we
want
to
allocate
the
arpa
funds
going
ahead,
so
that
could
be
very
timely
as
well
over.
You
know
this.
A
A
Amanda,
do
you
have
any
other
kind
of
thoughts
or
questions
or
just
kind
of
any
kind
of
just
like
feedback?
At
this
time
I
mean
part
of
what
I'm
kind
of
hoping
to
get
a
sense
of
just
like
you
know
again
starting
today,
but
you
know
people
certainly
encourage
folks
to
think
about
between
now.
The
next
meeting
is
like
what
parts
of
this
seem
like
yeah
like
we're,
probably
all
on
the
same
page
or
what
areas
you
know.
G
Yeah-
and
I
I
do
agree
with
parker
about
having
a
continued
discussion
on
this
at
our
next
meeting,
because
this
gives
us
some
additional
time
to
process
through
it
and
bring
it
back
to
the
table
and
make
sure
that
we
really
are
on
the
same
page.
I
think
there's
still
a
few
goals
that
we
haven't
fully
fleshed
out,
that
we
probably
should
as
part
of
this
as
well-
and
I
do
like
going
ahead
and
bringing
the
goal
portion
to
the
full
board
of
commissioners
at
our
next
meeting.
G
A
F
A
A
This
is
kind
of
think
about
the
different
policy
recommendations
and
if
we
can
identify
the
ones
that,
like
the
committee's
like
yeah,
we're
all
on
the
same
page
on
this
like
this
is
this
is
a
definite
recommendation
at
this
time
and
then,
if
there
are
some
that
we're
not
quite
there
yet,
where
we're
saying
like
we're,
talk,
we're
talking
about
this,
but
we're
not
maybe
sure
of
a
consensus
recommendation.
Yet
and
in
that
way,
when
we
talk
to
the
commission,
we
can
kind
of
be
clear.
A
Here
are
things
that
we
can
consider
definite
recommendations,
and
here
are
things
that
are
still
kind
of
more
in
the
discussion
phase
at
the
commission
level.
But
we
want
you
all
to
be
aware
of
them,
because
if
they
come
forward
to
the
commission,
they'll
have
you
know
there'll
be
things
that
we
want
the
full
commission
to
weigh
in
on.
So
I
kind
of
see
it
as
a
breakout
like
that
things
that
are
sort
of
definite
recommendations
versus
ideas
that
are
still
being
vetted
at
the
committee
level.
A
H
Just
a
minor
housekeeping,
as
with
other
items
that
are
coming
from
this
board
to
the
full
board,
if,
if
one
of
you
or
all
of
you,
can
communicate
with
avril,
and
let
her
know
that
you're
planning
for
the
february
1st
briefing
in
the
february
15th
regular
meeting,
that
would
be
helpful
and
we
can
well,
it
sounds
like
you
all
will
be
working
on
the
slides
at
your
next
meeting.
So
we'll
take
whatever
you.
You
know,
whatever
you
finalize.
A
B
So,
just
for
clarification
at
the
february
first
affordable
housing
committee
meeting
you
want
to
revisit
and
have
a
discussion
surrounding
these
same
items
and
then
also
that
same
day,
you'll
be
carrying
something
forward
to
the
briefing
just
so
that
I
make
sure
I'm
catching
capturing.
The
next
steps
correctly.
A
B
C
So
there
is
a
slight
like
five
to
ten
second
delay
between
the
meeting
and
watching
it
on
public
input.
So
if
anyone
would
like
to
comment
now
is
your
time
to
queue
up.
Otherwise
there
have
been
some
people
typing
in
comments
on
public
input
during
the
meeting
and
on
facebook,
and
I
will
email
that
to
the
board
and
staff
after
this
meeting
concludes.